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This episode is Neil Patrick Harris, a guy that I've been wanting to go in the podcast for a really long time. Also, he is doing a show on the Nerdist Channel on Youtube and he's a great. I really really great guy just for a guy who had such an amazing career as a kid key and out to be a nice and horrible do and we're into allowed the same stuff like tat. Can I like magic he's The magician, but You gotTa Niels office he's also a huge and fan which I love he's got really like seven big pictures up in his office and four of them are jim- has and Kermit, so just a great and it was really cool too. I went on his lunch break and sat down with him. How about your mother said here we go unnoticed. Vodka, number, one eighty two with the delightful and delightful and hilarious, and you

I wanted NEO Patrick Harris, hashtag and page, now entering nearest star com. He'll be overcome the growing time that old chestnut looked forward to grow into you know it's the goods, the growing time an actually? What does it? Do? Oh good, Lord That is, the girl in his time ever seen this one, I think

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how many boys magic is gone before technology. We had the growing ties that big ass. I was fond driving force for abortion about a thousand boards, but simply said Bell: sport like then money and a double lab. What is called, they called out like there's a certain name for like when you flip locked the letters in a word, but what I do know is that I referred to and getting on the lot today, as I go here today, will be easier to see your magic Harris Logos Patrick, who knew Patrick Harris he's. Gonna show that here and now I expect people than I know who I am because I'm on the underbelly of television and the assent of the internet, but you, demand, star power.

tantrums and mass firing. Missouri upset wants this possibility that you saw me if the ex the curse of having three names. I think no one. I would like an answer. Peter Mcgovern. No one has three names: Peter Mcgovern, low shit, that's a matter! How long were you ve been I ve been obsessed with magic. Premature relies for alone. This could be a thunder dont. You think what foot in the times are not yet may it looks awful discoloured pattern that it shows that could be a funny gag on the show I started recording by the way. How have you This is a tremendous snow. It's good! I never knew how the foot floppy ties work. Have you ever wondered how they work, though, of course

I mean not recently, but what we want our guiding their everything easily regime of TAT dog, adding. I have thought of that name and ages. When I was a kid I confused Heymann Gallagher, all the time they both have, that he be mullet and the other one with smash watermelons and the other would make them turn the tide of what was dug. Headings may think he was just an illusion. Is right here he was an illusion. It was all about gather, hippy, seventies unit, unicorns rainbows. What's it was magical mystical? Well, what's the difference? You know magician in the resolution as it is an illusion. Mr Ferber is like a sub set of magician correct. Illusionist would be again in the same subsidies, a mental list or a card Psmith Illusionist one who just as the illusions and what are you, what are you sick, Frieden Roy, would be illusionists right

but sick, free Roy would be a snack, ok right, I don't understand that I set a fence a. Why would they be about until Eiger snack? The target was trying to save him from just being alive? No, he just grabbed the wrong part of them because it was delicious That's where the calendar is meat is no. That was how a cat grants it's it's young too, to take them away as the scruff of the neck grab him from the back of the neck rights You just loved him too hard. Indeed, he said that's what happened. Steady did, but, oddly Roy, has defied the odds, he's doing these fine, where these will not find our final, several strokes and others link, but now he's writing horses and speaking in these moving around much more than they have no idea. He was there, but also that made it every joke that I made a complete Arafat scenario. Had that was wrong.

the internet will correct me. If I'm sure they're lawyers will correct it's all. I have nothing anymore. Thank you. Thank you, lawyers, men. How does this part? Thing work and I suppose, to shill boys, but you have a copy of a bull. points. Are we gonna hit a bunch of topics? We just talk? That's literally all the progress is I never really prepare for them, because I just like to talk to people and you I feel like. I have a lot to talk about because number one you do, and I have things and they happen to be a lot of things that I also am interested in nice and you and I dated the same girl did we ever when you data girls in the early nineties. I think aid yeah, tell say your name.

They sort of fell but she's lesson in writing. She's listening and my party already LISA haven't spoken in a long time ago. I saw I dated I did this girly said she was sort of at the core of this group of all these actor kids and she was a young actress machine. De nests. Maybe one of those she was I the hard, and you know crazy party girl and she had cool eighties, hats and stuff. She was kind of crazy. I greatly party girl, I dated her and her mother, her overbearing mother kind of ran her life articles heart, go lovely people, but LISA would not go past first base now what is first base near definition, hissing, and that's it. no kissing the base, no boobs. My thing boobs would be the second day,

no really, I thought, boobs or first base and then set lazy right now, ok, you're right! No! Maybe if, if boobs are first base, and second base would be right over the pants stuff, whose on first, what's on lots of I've set aside rate was so I didn't literally, we would make out for hours. And my hand woods slowly inch its way down to try and get a cop a little over the shirt feel rights and name shit to what we do in my hand When was this. This was our data by forty, always eighteen, nineteen years old really and he was very like chastity belt. She spoke of it like an and not until I married well. I have sex, really and then we break up, and then I hear three years.

After four years later she state new and you're sleeping together all over the place. I will I don't know it's all over the place you stop insider had ever took us. I don't know what you did magically, but maybe she just smelled. Something was wrong with me. I got one of those little stern cans and set up campsite. I own, I happened fireworks every time. One girl, I was, I think, will break admired dated her first, only right, Bracken Meyer. Did her after I did is yes so in isolated earlier and I think bracket, I think Bracken introduced her to the world's reckoned done. Broken nice broken

These are some areas, a great guy as and then yeah. I inherited the girls in the Ladys. I was least of the last girl that you dated no you dated go, I didn't I didn't feel and how important was it not to get too heavy? But how important was it like? When did you can figure out like? I don't think something that I'm into did you always know that and were you trying to sort of? Maybe I don't know I mean it's also. Does her all such complicated feelings that its, I can't say that definitively. I was like definitely into guys by trying my hardest with girls. It wasn't working, but certainly when I was with girls intimately, I was trying to achieve something that I dont think was achieved and they wouldn't let you they smacked your hand in turn. I think the way the universe works simultaneously. I was not getting. You know

The doktor nation, and so is it- was real olive residue oil little. This isn't right for you. It wasn't LISA alone, nor my there were a couple of that, but it all worked out the best and swell do David's, amazingly, is David is not only an puts out. Does put out and you guys have its debts huge, not all is an and I say this as a strike. I David it's fuckin smoking hot dude. He is and fetching fetching an amazing chef, yes, but that's what kind of sexual? With But yes, it s an amazing but dick chef. I dont know what type of government he's an using chef is an amazing parent he's one of the better dancers you will ever come across he's Various and

yeah you see on the eyes he and my ex girlfriend JANET whom I still a door were on that on the lot show together they were and they were built just rotating CAS members that kept would get recycled, indifferent, directors, shorts and she came home after the first they working with him, and she was like. I met my best friend today and his name is bigger burka there, yet David and JANET both can try to help filth each other. They are incredibly But we do not all the time he understands casino his. He has a good site to, but boy that two of them together can say some email, some incredibly offensive and lewd. They make me blush alot a little bell. My o made at its awesome to witness a J J Foreign and deeper hit it off really well, but I notice that you mean we didn't really really until may I suddenly a little bit when we were kids, but not really, and then you know we reconnected because of

because a David and JANET and you love the most nor cool fun kind, a life that I think most people would want to have like we gotta game. We used to go to game nights at your place. You guys would would do like murder mystery stuff. You know, you'd have have done guys, like fun, adult it not do she adult parties like it's, ok to common tick, off issues and play The house- and I was really nice. I like the suburban lifestyle really like as socially, because I had weird chapters in my past it which were away almost under twenty one had a fake. I cruising around Stephen Dwarf himself, a kick ass clubs. You know about him, I will be doing that. He might still be doing that. I haven't, I don't ever reconnected statement and sometimes, but because I sort of processed that world at an earlier age and kind of

kind of saw what is, in my opinion, serve superficiality of it that it sort of the same evening, over and over and over with the same forty people. They show kind of ruling the roost over whatever club is up that night right that it just its expensive and it's very loud and its inconsequential. It was to me anyway, because I see the same people that I have known for four or five years now and at the same different bars and we'd shout at each other house. Are you workin what's going on and how's the business yeah, who you day, oh yeah, you broke up, I'm so sorry, you want a drink. Oh yeah,

see you later, I'm out the knights have that conversation really LISA didn't put out for me word its eyes, and so I just I don't know I didn't. I don't love that world to me. It's better to have fewer and fewer people in your inner circle that you can have conversation with so yeah, so I like living in the valley over living in Hollywood. I like having to worry about parking, and you can just like pull up the front of the house and walk in and we have y know understand, play games, leaving you, but it's like a parking house, and then you have to walk several box, your house. It was right for the house, you can supermarkets call the curb. Hollywood, doesn't have those you have to have a cash parking restriction, maybe you're crazy superstar world, but not in the city, my friend, not anywhere in the city. I don't know I just don't

I'm not a big fan of all of the going out of all the big those of going out and especially cause you're driving you can't and drink when you're out, if you're driving, because then you are in trouble right so the whole the whole idea of its best. I know, but but but what is interesting is that you figure that out at a pretty young age, but most people are still doing that. After all, all these years, like they don't ever let it go. It's just this extensive men drinks are fifteen bucks. A pop now or like cable service is two hundred and fifty bucks for a bottle of of vodka that you can get a cost. Go for twenty two. Ninety five really two hundred fifty dollars when a pay for that and some orange juice and a bunch of slacker tag along

that why you're sitting your table, I just can't. I just can't handle it because of the shouting and because and because I don't drink just sobriety, you can't it so hard to be sober in those situations because you're just you can you can really feel everything you can feel how, The thing is, you can feel how that, but the conversations are then. You really really can feel like this like some sort of a we're vampire Dan. I dont want to be here and it is to adjust lead. I mean I have good acquaintances from those war. from those years, but not many true friends from on high and I've. Never. I was never a drug guy beyond part which I have smoked. I've never never done cocaine or any of those like crazy. Hardy drug related, never my saying so once it got into that whole like late night world. I was out I couldn't do. It was not the after hours of a stickler for authenticity and when I think that someone's hyperkinetic, unlike

come and get me laugh into hearted, jokes and stuff. I retreat that's. The thing I found his heart is that when you, if you're, not you not to mix sobriety, but when you're not drinking your having conversations, someone who's clearly drunk you just kind of feeling, I'm wasting, all this time because you're going to remember any of this Fisher Fisher and even if those people are like kind of tipsy, I feel like the same thing is true. How did you turn out so normal? You must do. Your family must have an amazing family, because you know you have been. You were child actors. Far back, as you probably can remember, ends Your too thirteen you're, not that you're, not you're, not cookie in any railway. Well, I came from New Mexico. My family. from there. I do I'm very normal. An awesome brought in Sheila shout out

they're just good people, and I think that they were. We were never overwhelmed by the fame of the business. We were kind of entreat by the process and the long jeopardy of the business. So when chapters would come, we were more by parents at least were much more concerned about how often ticket was what agendas were behind it. Maybe there are little cynical, but I think in that chapter cynicism was effective, because if they were blinded by the glamour, it would have been wait worse right, as I know too many people who,

had normal dish, parents that then or could have taken by all and then became their childs manager, came their business manager and then stolen money and right and their money and then had a big fight and broke up his parents and children and that it was nasty. Is there anything more disgusting that is legal, then so then leg apparent gloaming onto a kids fame and in trying to absorb that experience for them I just wonder, is it so hard, though, because as I'm apparent now in- and you know, if our kids at twelve or thirteen came into a situation where they were acting at what I know either David arrive by law would be required to be onset all the time with them and so you are invested already. My parents had to move to California. One Dougie Hauser happened

we thought it was important to be together as a family, rather than have one parent in in New Mexico in one parent in ally, but by doing so both of their jobs are put on hold because they dont have legal licences in California. They only practice law in New Mexico, so they sort of have to put their business world on hold to be a nuclear family here in that way. By doing so, they have any income, so they are sort of are required to take some money to pay their bills. You're, I'm making a lot of money on a show, but already there we have a twisted fucked up dynamic because they're taking money from me, I'm their child or the parent. They have to do so because we decided these we'd made these decisions together, but just feels weird, and so I think it is a creepy feeling, but it it's a required for

it's it's it's a matter of knowing when it's time to cite go back to your own world and not just leave off of the children forever, but that's a very complicated conversation. I mean you, I imagine the percentage must be like one or two per cent of people make it through that experience and live normal lives and are pretty well adjusted. Meanwhile there's only one or two per cent of people. Frankly that get to do something that provide recognition for them and then get an opportunity to do something again. So many actors that are adult actors on television shows for being on that showed its really popular and then don't ever work. Much again to that same level, I suppose I've been very, very, very lucky in that world. I mean duty: Hauser was incredibly cool and very random and I would never have thought it would have ever happened again. Decade

later Barney stance and he never would have. How was it random? Well, I guess just random that I wasn't seeking it out the audition cable. It was one of the things we said: we'd never do as a family is getting on a tv show that moved us to LOS Angeles and one of the caviar. was unless it was someone like Stephen Brcko who wanted you to be a star of his show, because my parents are huge, only law fans because they were lawyers and history blues. We watched over time like they were to die hard, Vance his. So then, all of a sudden this happens in and it happened, and so we said yes and we did it. But and then you never think a show that that the idea of that kid who said genius doktor die would be

I'd actual series. You know you're gonna, do the pilot and then assume it's not gonna happen and in it it does and kind of carries on for four years. So it was random, tvs, very random business, but as a doctor for duty out of the benefit of having tiny hands for invasive exams, I think is probably better for that. It's better for the thickest! Wait! That's why you're gonna think his enemy combined are we talking about here is illegal. Had I only had big giant men so what a fella powerful profits in digging around it would have been much of anchovy. Castigated plate, chunk, how's, it I mean. Did he know again That's the juveniles are was sort of an anomaly in the sense that I mean more about this in age and I don't I don't ever remember getting a sense from other kids. My school like that shows Vulcan done with twelve year old, use whatever like kids watch the show, and there was something about it- that I guess it was

that he that the character with smart, but still not threatening, wasn't it I suppose it was one of those shows at that time where families could watch it together and kids still felt kind of respected, I don't know what was that show with Wilfred Brimley oh, this old house this year, this old known to all in a house, is all diabetes house, the turtle overdue. Daddy Slaughterhouse Quaker out some My mixing this, although tat this, although TAT Election authority was on it, oh yeah was house not in the living and live in honour. That was that it was in that same color world. Than anything Dougie Hauser was on, and I don't know. I guess

the people now who are our age? My lord I'm almost forty and they say that that day it was one of the few things would watch together as a family ass. They continue. Duty was still a kid and even he invented have their fun little Robbie time, but then at the end date the type on a MAC Castilla exercise whose onboard working prior. He is indeed the case managed to great HBO work. That's pretty love max he's great degree. So don't we don't at all, but we do know he'll kill, send, like a lovely lovely note, now and again saying have Proteus. I try to do the same, but it's great I mean he had the hardest. I think of any of us like breaking out of the duty. Hauser thing it was right. That was rough thing, for

because I was hoping for like a chapter of anonymity after it had happened, but I wasn't really granted that shirt and I'm not gonna fuckin cry about it, but it was weird to be everywhere. You go have people say through TAT was crazy yeah, but at least I could only at a certain point and go well. I was duty so if they're gonna shouted at me, that's fine, but port max. You know he was Vinnie worse Duke every time. Oh yeah, where's, Dougie all the time, and I was still growing max MAX six or seven years older than me. So when I was eighteen on the show he was twenty for while he was a man from that point on so it. Why did I think it was it? Will? I can't speak for him, but I can only imagine the elder yo where's Duke old to him, but he wouldn T Broadway did the lion king. He did the music man, anyone did sopranos and then he did boardwalk empire so

was there any sense when you are doing the show that did you really did you have sense of like oh yeah. Sometimes when someone does it show that really pops and they are really a character that they kind of just don't work anymore. Or did you even worry about. I didn't as far as me no, like someone, you don't like it. It's like the Georgie of syndrome of lanky plague Superman and they could never cast them in and I again because he was just too much Superman. Well, I've I was lucky. I think I think so, unlike now We need to worry about the more I think playing like that. Wacky sidekick is harder in the tv land than playing. I was sort of every man average guy. The only crop thing about it was the names

right gave his name was Lance Germany alone and that we really can. We talk about jogger, Hauser Committees, column, Doug's, fine, running that I now playing a kind of barley names levels such as those with such a relief lightwood people stop going Dougie do get Barney Gunnbiorn. No, I was glad to be like the average nuclear. around the which were all the weird eccentric people. Now I dont know what I mean: I've just like working in and as an actor. You can speak to this you're. Just you know, you're waiting when you're not working. And agents. To call him and say we have this audition for you and the new

sending you this script and then you read the script and then you go. In addition, that's like it's that is based as it is, and so, if you have a funny name or you're, a wacky character, whatever you should be so lucky is to get the job broke. The Kimberley process, the ramifications of it until it's happening, I was now I was loving and there was great. But then the tv landscape was totally different, backed into. So it was it wasn't. Cable was not like this and there was no internet so to speak of back then. So you were a tv act. Not until another features, don't actor. So that was the only drawback. When it was not. I was like that's not gonna able to be in any cool indy films. Did you go? Did you do broadway after them from it, but she made for television movies? for a while, and then I think I went and did some theatre in

Diego, I was Romeo and Romeo and Juliet my first Shakespeare thing had ever done, and then I did some more theatre. There did a couple of these in smaller things, but the tv some pay the bills for sure it's pretty crazy to get on its hard enough. I think people have offensive, how hard it is to get on one show that gets picked up. It then becomes ahead, but then to beyond two shows that get picked up and they become a hit, Especial We talk about television landscape. Tell them landscape now for network is fucking crazy. It's difficult, yeah! It's crazy, crazy! Now, because now you have so many people vying for the same jobs like time movie stars wanting till I settled down and make some good money and do a good show, only a lot of who should on television at some point or maybe levers, it's not so bad. After all, absolutely I mean, but that's great you're, getting great talent. You know week in week out to do great work, but is actually

doing that new show missing or something while that's like a ABC network, is it a b c prime time show Jurassic jotted starring in she's a big Ass movie star. That would never have happened, she's really amateurism really she's like about the title. She is She is well yeah, but no mention listen. I I'm all about actually Jonah Lover, but there was there. Series of movies that I was referring to is the subject of justice.

movies like her trying to right or wrong, and then Morgan Freeman was somewhere in the background. Ambled are meant to you from a budget that take twenty steps to the left. Alive switch will be front of your money steps, the best more infringement of evidence. That's pretty good! Thank you. I want to put on a penguin outfit and use narrating Alice Walker before the grocer dressing room where energy are now which is loaded with amazing. These are, I see, recreations of the hunted mansion from Disneyland stretching portrait stretching portraits decimal regional, magician lithographs, then of all George and Thurston, who is your favorite magician living living or dead? I mean who is too, is generally considered to be like that guy's, the grapes machine Is it Houdini or is it something that we wouldn't that? I don't think you do know the great magician I want the best showman, because it what Houdini was able to do.

in an era that didn't have any kind of media is its gather crowds. So he would do stunts. Amazingly impressive, stunts handcuffed on a bridge jump over with chains into freezing water and escape from it. That way, was no internet. There was no television. Somebody with nineteen thirty jacket has actually that's the true, that's exactly what he was, but it was very classy right. is everyone war that send the trusted everything when it went around, so he would get crowds of thousands around to watch these stones and and that word of mouth would cause everyone. The town and other towns to come and see his shows and making very popular, so hiding upside down in a straitjacket over the show over the theater I mean it would fill the streets and then the people with one file in fun, linen seated show, but I dont know that he was necessarily that Chauvelin, I think first and was one of the best. I love that time. You know the turn of the century media, seven or eight years. I must know of the prestige laughed

pressed his violent the book. I thought that that was the greatest idea for a movie but could never be made because it was a period movie about magicians in time. Travel and price lie was right and no one would make them will be by loved this good. I guess I dont know what makes a good magician like what what is there I want to see it good committing. I just wanna know I got a really good communicated certain central quality of a magician that they need to have to be considered great they will. It just depends on these sub sat really a thumb. I think you have to have a great confidence and an innate skill for Miss direction, which I think folds into confidence. You have to be thinking a couple steps ahead of what actually happening and and have a appreciation for some sort of psychological trickery. His magic

happened when you're, when, when the magician says, and now three two one Alec ASEAN road- it's happened, a few steps were then so, if you're, looking at an illusion, as you know that guy Hester has to carry himself very grand way, onstage Copperfield. Does it terrifically well plans burden, others does grand scores of illusion, geyser gray at it. But when you look at the card spin, those guys you're only there's a guy named Derek Delgado that anyone Listen to this should stop well finished, Derek Delgado he's, probably the best cargoes of our age on assuming can guy, he does shit card why's that will blow your might all And it's been it's just simple: it's not fancy crazy cards. Gimmick car

I mean he just uses a regular deck and can do so many things with it. He has video wishes in Spain and he did this trick and I have no idea how it's done and I no magic really well. It was a spanish town. There was an audience in everything and someone else. The guy took all the cars and spreading all over there. able and mix them all up and put it back together and then Derek could he would spoke, the deck and deck deck and half in the guy would choose whichever side he wanted and he'd throw that the other part over his shoulder and then to take the next. Now he's got half decades, but that happen. Left right and it wasn't a magicians force where he sat right. They will then now we're gonna keep the right, but I didn't constantly be throwing which I want over shoulder down to six cards boom three for cards boom down to one you sure this one boom flipped over the card, and then he had already chosen that card from somewhere else. Jesus

Oh, I don't know I do how he does his magic and his amazing or your praise in the magic castle. Your present the articles of the magic I'm the present. Yes. Indeed, I would rather cloudy then the MAGIC ass anybody recently. No. I saw that there was a fire there in the restaurant right, so we So there's there seems to be construction going on upstairs, but it still business as usual and stares correctly earlier we were, we were at a smaller verse. of the castle with the restaurant closed down for six or eight weeks, and that's back up now the restaurants doing great the third floor. That kind of operations depend is still under construction. Two sets where the fire actually started, but yeah that's a great experience. It wasn't even where doing a trick. Was it like a large paper? No was a roofer roofing company

retiring and roofing in some guy up on the roof, had an open torch. Blowtorch was heeding the tar and someone else said we don't you know water with them. Are the vertebrae? That's exactly what I'm three their death at another fire when, under the tar underneath the roof set. The whole thing I find in the building soul: it is it's the Tory Mansion, but I'm trying to turn it into I just a great experience from start to finish right now. I think it's got great magic, good food and it's still little creaky, but it's a private club for magicians, of there there s good. I agree it shouldn't be slick, but you know sleet novel or in New York that immersive theatre peace were every everywhere. You look, everything is in this. World and adjust citing you. Don't you enter the MAGIC castle with a past that you have to get from either a magician member or requesting one.

You have to say a secret word into a door that does slides open and you go inside your dimension and also everything I think should be uniformly very good and so were were making staff changes in some mom some things to make that x. Experience really did you have to order a brooms reprimanded me. Why does night before the Oscars part sure because, above that, which I thought was super cool because I'm a huge stage it. What are you up a rubber either by the way? Did you read his issue over what was magazine, judge, Abrams, monthly rooms boy worry Centerfold pops out. No, what's the cool techie, Mag, Liard, Wired, J, J Evans issue of Wired was all about magic and he had hidden messages and like things that you could accomplish all secret magical stuff, He was the editor of that issue separately, but I knew he was doing that, but for some reason I didn't I didn't like two years ago in a while, but I every time I see my gosh about it because it was just

There were hidden things all throughout it and I still haven't salt have them, and I was asking him about the castle. He said you know someone needs to come along and really dumps of money into that and make it like a really great experience. Could you thought that you stole the dress code? You two are time or the Ladys were dresses, yeah, there's a strict tresco, which I think should be enforced sure they think it adds to the of the mystery of it all. But then you are, one dinner to be extraordinary. Just one cool sacred things about what I'm trying to make happen. One thing One thing that I would recommend is, I think, magicians should have to start dressing differently. I love magic, but there's this weird cross over between light, Some magicians and professional billiard players are strictly observing, like like gold, rush kind of cholera, all kinds there. You also get the guys it will wear ties. it'll just like have studied collar. Like a lady,

being started here. They have every time we can. We get a laser beam collar. I wouldn't fuck em laser beam girl coming MAGIC Hassan. I have a friend who has little kids son, add four laser hair removal and the kid goes why You never want to remove laser hair like Jaya. I might join the MAGIC Castle, I M associate membership, and so I don't have a magic castle, dot com. You can find it. So if I just want a magic castle, there come spell the traditional way. That's not energy! I see K, that's how I do know that sport has a different kind of Gaza. Love to go the MAGIC s. I've seen some amazing concepts as there are you took, I saw your friend Alonzo perform better ones and how many magician he's one of the best he took with Brittany Spears. He saw Britney's,

here's in thirds nightly in IRAN is a round the world for a year and a half years ago to finish the job of our own, to learn about both more like a teacher. He I got this ever if this information was to get out, but he was going to do. Michael Jackson show relies that's very ok. He was on board. They had about Michael action was trying to think of exact illusion. He was so there was a ball, a big sphere that he was gonna holdings. And I think that was mirrored, and then he was gonna lights were in it. it was a raise it up and it was gonna floats over the audience at around and he had all these magic stuff. Language was a big magic aficionados and he was gonna. Do that Big London tour for the Big London show the big show when, even though many passed away before than it was like it was there

at the staple centre with can your tea and others guys when they are at the word yeah, because there was a that you were having a party at your old house and we were talking to Adam. He was kind of explaining the experience of black being brought in to me. Michael in this big room and might goes just sitting. There alone is kind of frail and if he's nineteenth haven't I haven't. Alfin is going to be like gonna shoot from my lady, laser lights are gonna shoot from my off the whole thing, but I would just not go right. I'll make it happen is good like them it's it's. interesting to think of a magician, not just as a performer, but also as like an architect were you. Where you are someone like add, gets tired too, like we need you to build this thing, that's gonna be mad, go, but in fact he's an architect pressure. Will that's my favorite part. Imagine unless interested in the people that can do the Oregon

the illusion that David Copperfield didn't nineteen eighty five great trick, you know big box girl gets in it gets like an origami box gets. shortens and get smaller and smaller until a tiny little box and the sword gets put in the middle of an and opens back up, which is a different outfit, define illusion. You can buy it and you can do it and its great, but it's the people that design illusion similar. It's always recreating his act in coming up with new shit like building it himself and coming up with ideas of how can we do in new levitation whether put this in this together instead of this and that together and made a new levitation? I love that stuff. So it's very techie, it's very tacky yeah. All of it is, I think I mean I think mental ism stuff? That's a great, that's a whole other world of magic, too That's almost akin to the Damascus. They claim they can read minds right. It's all supposing

and saying generalities that cause people to spark to one of them the things that you say and then based on their expressions, unwilling. Why do you know how to steer a conversation into? Yes? I can speak to your dead brother. Does it is, does it did a ruin any part of it since you know so much of how it works. I guess it didn't, because you, like the Tec aspect of it, what I would say that I receive like the the sea that nothing, secret, but the members only library at them in the bottom of the MAGIC Castle, where I assume all the dark, Magic lives it, but just knowing that you can go in there and look up tricks and stuff. You know

It just sort of takes away the fun illusion. Part dukes could go out. That's all that is I marvel more at the ingenuity than I do up about being blown away needing to know how it's done. So I guess I've lost a little of the of the useful, wide eyed innocence induce. Yes, I might go and ask letter and I had guided at a comedy club. It's like that's funny. I got it as they would you did I clap laugh. I express my voters. Words do perform magic ever publicly, only talk shows a talk, show magician so you would want to do a week at the castle. You know I would want to deal week at the castle, but I want to be like more of a theatrical theatre, peace. I do something in the parlour which is theirs. sites size space, this highly raked a little more victorian style, but I wanted you like.

you're doing a thing is opposed to mph doing you know the cop symbols insert a joke bell. Sport is There would come when you see comedian bomb, it's horrible and I feel horrible, because I'm empathic about it. As I know what it feels like, but to see a trick go wrong has got that. Has like you, I didn't I didn't you, you ve got really. He acts patients, should never have tricks go wrong. I mean card magicians can because aloud a lot of the great car magicians will do a trick. Were there could be multiple outcomes that has a lot of risk to it, because they're not forcing you to pick one card there, literally having it again card and then figuring out how to get to it and sometimes they're wrong, in which case they have to have a house where they can still recover. But if you're an illusionist, then you're on stage to inject everything should be well thought out. Work

Of course you don't have to say who, but what some restrictive ever seen and I will tell her dress angel. We were enthusiasm, it was a single, don't get me. Chris Angel was performing in the basement of the W W F restaurants times, however, profession needs then cook, and she was I liked and cook. I saw him early on performing at the UN in upon the sunset Strip, with four title alliance are public up at our cause? I've I feel about cabin on people, but we were in the basement of the W W F restaurant in Times Square, watching this new, like Dhabi WS magician named Chris Angel, looked like he was a big royalty kind of double the guy bread, but he was a magician and he had some like crazy stuff and somewhere in the audience, and its final illusion is supposed to be nice called them the metamorphic.

What happens is there's a wooden box and I did, the magician or the assistant. Usually the assistant gets tied up handcuffed and then inside a bag the bags tied she gets inside the box. The box gets all locked up. The magician stands on top. You probably seen it with a cape, throws the cape and then the king, the drop to now that the system there are some distance gone and then she unlocks the box inside is it is a bag untied the bag inside the magician is no handcuffed. Well, Christmas angle was that all of us what happened was no carbon tariffs to do this switch seal to would happen soon. You would not be there but versus there was there without happens, but then his big ending apparently was that the then she was to open up the box in here whoever take out this was the big finality levitate out of the box and everyone blown away so we're all in the round kind of watching this thing they do in it and the cuff talking to each other. We not pressure why? What

happening than they do to switch seo too. There's the assistant Chris is there any more of the audience applauds: she's, unlocking the box. You opened it up kind of looking in kind of talk Not sure something happened that the limitation wasn't working by, that- was the end of the show and he was stuck in the box and couldn't get out so that we can see that there are far too many minutes and they had the slowly clothes, the fire Corfu around the audience, zero. The creek say, ladies and gentlemen, that's the end of the show Chris had to stay inside the box. One is in a box after you know, I don't need the ire of that one butter hours,

from commenting Barbara. He hasn't. He he's been less than chivalry s multiple times to people that I know I'll really. That's too bad, but at least to show in Vegas is what he's doing a show and they would say over performance review, reformer big. I find biggest three like a weird place to perform a kind of love a yes, I don't know I don't know I mean yes, I want to do is show their first six weeks and then leave right. You wouldn't want to do it over three years now, fun to see oh, but then you think all those those cancer during that same exact water show twice a night, every single night, every single day. That's what I couldn't four year. That's what I couldn't get me up: an angel gotta wings. That's what I I could never when I think about Broadway it would have

to Iraq of ages, they throw you got what you wanted. You rock of ages off Broadway like before at you don't like it. I can't do. I would imagine doing the same. Show like eight or ten times when we stand up. Is one thing you did you get a big problem? Shall not do it with No, I didn t really with with with with that show I just I did a little bit, but now not alive and if it, if you like, but if Where did you always oh yeah? I was I was. I was in the night wizard, but was do then I don't know we didn't, you do Tommy now really. Never I thought when we say Phelan. You were dating you're Tommy. I don't think so. I must have been fucked for like a year. Oh my god, I was maybe was that what its majority award nice that's good, I thought that you did Tommy network to know. Well, I've had a great respect for you for an approach I mean yes, I was a baby ten ball with how wise can't,

thing, but a play. The pin bow! That's why you didn't get it yeah? That's. Why didn't do? I got that no man modernize still very close, I was not entirely you were in in the show It was there in not Tommy you sound audacious. I did I thought no, I mean he saw no India that was with them, but with what's his name, the other half of guess child ass yet, but but the idea is that the idea of doing the same show like eight times a week now you know ten times a week, afternoon shows- and you can't deviate you just Do the same, I think would be fun. I have opinions about that. I think it would be fun to do that if you were originating role in a show, because I've I filled and I got to do cabaret on the Big Broadway for six or seven months, and it was a fantastic experience, but I was you know Seventh M c replacement, so the I insist we performing

we were just tourist solely the eight shows a week with a bit more of a grind because you weren't, like the hot show you weren't like that, must see ticket there. So I think it would be even are we to do that in Vegas, because if that doesn't feel like it would have sure the excitement that it would have you? I mean I'd love to do a big show in New York again, but it originated shell. Were you doing that government was training had taken? It was hard to get that right and then it would be worth it to do each other weak, because it was like if you don't look, Mormon right, you'd feel like even though you're totally repeating yourself. Every single to show people are loving, clamouring to get into that would be fun. Agreeing in Mamma me on a chose a week bright, I think, would be a little more eggs. stable, because poverty, the fund show em, show the people that are seeing it now, we're still enjoying it, but it's probably not quite as kinetic and new what does the perfect accidental subway into the fact that you were able to

Bertone awards and and make it a very and a fun personal show like it really. It feels like a show that doesn't it's up to seriously that kind of his aware of what it is and has fallen, and yet they still can't seem to crack that code and some of the bigger some of the bigger award shows well. I think that Tony's are perfect for television I'd, I'm just a big fan of the night, because you have a lot of of drawbacks on an award show. Normally you have to have performances that people want to watch separate from the awards that are given out.

And most often in the Oscars and Emerson stuff those performances are made and created just for that one night, which causes a lot of potential problems at the set breaks down. If the dancers out to learn stuff, the featured performing cast has to learn at all it s to be done immediately. Right that really crystal gets in black face make anything that could go wrong did not happen Everyday was right of next year, and then you also have people there accepting awards and handing out towards the generally, are used to being in front of the live audience like that because, in the end, these most of the people that are there are only performing to their small crew. in their sat in Valencia that super closed off right, so they're not used to doing anything in front of a thousand people or wherever the that Nokia

the Tony's at the opposite that you, like you, have all of these trump cards already. Every performances is gonna, be done by people who do the exact performance eight times a week. Super amazingly! Well, so you, performance after performance of just amazing ship songs of amazing. numbers it just start learning at four days later. They also lobbying on tv, because that's a giant boost for them office, wise and recognition. Why is there no they're dance in their faces off eight times a week? they're, gonna physical therapy, all the time and the performing two eight hundred nine other people a night not said I mean the Tories in one shot, gets six million people to watch them. That's a big deal for them, so their enthusiasm is up. the people who are winning speeches of winning awards and making speeches in presenting are used to being on stage. So their speeches are more authentic. There, more genuine they're, not his nervous. Their super excited to have the cameras. They're they're, not jaded, you know, potentially better,

look who's knitter like over the award shows Circuit like really happy to be there, so you get a good vibe. They get grateful. women's issues and you get great speeches, so I think it's really fun night and the majority of them it doesn't get to go to Broadway and spend a hundred fifty bucks. A ticket to see me now show they're not sure exists. I like that. It's it's a subtle shipments psychology of how they approached their craft in the nineteen hundred and ninety's David. who was studied. Study for some of the british ambassador, the British Academy for enough after bought a british cattle for dramatic growth back, does the oars. And so she had this she had a teacher and that I feel it was some. Oh, my god but Fiona Shaw, Gray, Yonah, Shaw, low rate, higher taught them our tent like a couple classes and something she said. I never ever forgot just as a comedian, but one of the one of things

gave to the kids when they were trying to. You know, do scenes in class and they couldn't kind of. Let go. I think she said to them. You have to rush to embarrassment, you have to rush to it nice like now, really you just take away your fear and I that's a subtle psychological difference between the theatre actors who oh like, oh, you can rush to embarrassment and it's ok, but the tv actors, the film actors, like I don't stupid. I got him so afraid of looking. We are crazy, it's true. It's true, though, that the process of theatre is, you know you were her cynical off space and you can flop, sweat and being tried stuff in all fields, but there's no audience, and then you have this really wild preview period, where you're constantly putting changes, and you have no idea what the reaction will be and before you know finally opened by the time it opens yet youth you ve tried you ve rushed to embed man alive and you ve kind of

out why it works in. What's what is the best choice, which is, which is a great thing in film actors? Get none of that right. They trust an editor too. added a performance together, even if they do an amazing performance at the end of the day, you're not gonna hold on that one shot for the whole performance. Not one take fright. It's fifty thousand takes put together, but I still find it weird when you watch the Oscars, how droll actors read the teleprompter teleprompter, as it is a specific, is a specific skill set an you assume that everyone can do and, as you like spirited these people are, they know how to read. grapes teleprompter of various civic animal- and I am not calling him out but Jake Gillian Hall, I've seen him on the award show announcing the nominees for whatever, and it's like the dude.

Didn't even know he was supposed to have been there doing like he's reading it very dry, but with no- and I think you, someone in your camp has approved this, because they send you the material of here's, what we would like you to say: here's, the joke. What do you think of it? You have to prove it by a certain day against back, so you must have read it you're. Looking at, because it's in a giant teleprompter right. So, assuming that you don't you can see it, then, and then they still read it very dry, like I hate being there. So I don't know if it's nerves, I would assume not illogical and not always does theatre like he's a good guy, and yet maybe it's just I'll. Tell you what I figured it: a movie world the golden clubs. In the same way the people come out and they read things like they have being and that they don't understand what why their having to read this, I think there are comfortable, I think, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and let the summit there not shooting on the thing that they're doing, even though they alone probably are because I think, because I think some

the reason. Some people are actors and not posts or stand of comedians, and that's they don't have person, ladys of their own. You can give them a character and they can get Lawson s character, but it talk to one on one: nothing like they just there, not they dont know who they are. Or they dont have personalities of their own, I think a lot and we're just fuckin boring. I bet that has legalised. Maybe I mean I dont want to imply that I think that about Jack Jill at all I mean I didn't, hung out with the guy and his super lovely and everything. I think. Maybe that's just a nerve racking experience, maybe that's nice being out there dear and headlights with all a flight. Your peers and directors and producers in front of you kind of renders you still maybe How do you have the host Jake? You have both your both the tribes of this. Similarly, we talking with a magic and in theater and all So I really liked Doug headings,

magic specials every year, and I really liked the live when the circus would come to town I'd love to see it, so I've always enjoyed hosting game nights at being. Like the ring master, said service. So for me the spontaneity of the life than you is exciting, standing in the wings you know with. Compare the two year about to walk out. Didn't you know, do a little tantrum back and forth. I think it's kind of cool, so I think that I think that all of that is is a thrill and when you didn't get to be the actual ringmaster, it's even bigger thrill, because then the responsibility falls on you when you're presented Mr De Grandes, it's great cause. You get a good signal to be there and do a little segment. Then you're out, though, when your hosting that thing, then it's like responsibility, is on you. If you're running long did he have to cut a bit

you know if they give the guy, we did the first I'm a hosting. The tilneys was crazy here. That was the year that the Brett my was omitted. Space on the link didn't come the rehearsal when the rest of the band did and who was told explicitly as soon as you're done, don't run into the thing around and walk backwards because upset pieces coming down in front of you decide. decided to you no milk for another five or six seconds, turned around and was almost be headed by the Firstly, I think that was Iraq of ages. Actually, I think it was I gas as it everyone and Nine immediately backstage about to do my entrance and might you know wacky monologue and all I think is that he's gotten his skull cap, by the same pace as this is a radio city. Music called this. You know you can't say: stop the set peace from coming down, because it's much may minutes giant and super heavy alone

We don't so, I think, he's dead and I'm backstage in other than to have to go on stage and start to show. That's live and I'm thinking my mind is now worrying and we ve just begun and I'm think of what am I gonna do? How do we forget my cousin, the bulgarian segment for them to know? I'm thinking what am I gonna do. I may have to come out and say, ladies and gentlemen, it has been. You know something terrible just happen. We're gonna go to commercial, we write back, I don't know, what's gonna happen, so I'm just shouting to decide. Is he all right? Is he? Ok? Is your and no one knows what's going on, because the numbers still happening in a way that these people are still onstage singing, so they they they found. I found out that he was all right, which was great so as soon as I know, he's. Ok, I'm thinking now. What do I do to acknowledge it, or do I just pretend like it didn't happen? We kind of deal with it as an afterthought, but it's that didn't right, because I think everyone saw it happen. So then I thought maybe it would be good to say that takes had been.

to hold different level. In my, in my mind, like these Neil, if I know he's ok, then I should say something to like move past still a funny joke, even if he wasn't. I gotta be honest, so not at all funny if he wasn't ok, but I knew she was okay, so I said the joke: when we moved on to his good didn't know, he would do all the suing after the fact sure It's not funny Zayigo fourteen rehearsal? Well, he didn't, but would you didn't seem, but that is for me it's fun at you know, because then it not not funded. That happened, but I mean that That's how my mind works is light is like is, is the spontaneity of something potentially going wrong and how to acknowledge it? You know if, if some says a drunken speech that slurry. Then I get the opportunity to come out and comment on it at her house. Super Grain Franklin Jello came out and gave Gavi off script. He was presenting an award to someone. He talked for like for five minutes.

which in a long time, is ages in an award show because you really want to be like a minute over men and half over. He did it in early on. So from the beginning, we were about five and a half minutes long, which for the Tony's, it's not the author, You can't just one long sure they wanted to end right on so for the rest of the shell. Where, like please, I hope the winners, not their leaders like over, they make it short, and then they didn't. You know we're like five minutes over for a long time, and I had to I hunted sing a final song and I didn't want that to get caught so we're we're going through this last Tony's rose in her power through How long are we, how short or we should we had a bit and as I see it, what does this cut the bit? We cannot introduce, will save forty seconds great for it when someone winds and they make short accepted speech- were all backs HIV as we can. We take off twenty seven seconds. So that's fine! It's like you. A little bit of risk could save on the poor Brookfield thing by the way, at the last Tony's, but that was really random. To gather brick. Chilled thing was crazy that whole that,

Last year's Tonia very proud of because a lot of those things we had to keep very under wraps because the theatre world talks, allied Michael Riddle of the post talks a lot now the Tony's in they'll say things like they offered it to some YO to Daniel Radcliffe and he turned it down. So she never happen rights an hour where their untilled saying widest real think that we offer to Radcliffe. We didn't at all, so I was gonna. Do this opening number call not just for gaze anymore? I remember that right. I remember this at you. I saw you. I saw that before and it was. It was really funny you you send it to me and JANET. It was funny and it was a little like me no on them on the line of like, as is too far or not, we weren't shore right, but we thought well. This is the year than that

more men which is pretty hard core with content. So maybe that this would be discipline. Ok, but everyone was worried about the number so much so that we make we had to come up with dummy lyrics because it was all prerecorded, but we had to prepare, for it with dummy lyrics that was like it's not it's just for us, and I don't even know what the with a dummy literature but David Jabber bond wrote. This amazing thing had to come up, whole set of false lyrics that we had to all the dancers had to say potentiality things so that if because, if it got back to recall that we're doing unnoticed days anymore, and he published it before the number there we're gonna yank the number of ships. So we were all The first thing under wraps, I had a number with Hugh Jackman that we were rehearsing in private and in secret, and we had to clear the house. We were rehearsing. The numbers Jack, because we really wanted to show to be filled with surprises and it worked out great and in so the number one off without aplomb, I got to say the word, sodomy

but, as I said, I couldn't say sodomy they set of all that thing. You can't stay sodomy, which I thought was weird the line was come in and inspired, there's no sodomy required, which Saddam is not at that word right and in that context it's like there's no sodomy so it seems like what are its different than requiring it. Exactly that, I could see it hold different initiative and, I have to say same sex. Love required, come in and be inspired, there's no same. Sex love require fucked up meter than money, no sodomizing, Linda myself like What says same sex love on them on the prompter, but I could just they saw besides a sensitive, because I thought it was better than I ran off. agent settler jacket, The US has, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say sodomy, I'm so sorry, I just slipped out into slipped out, but it is better that we apply set at the thought of it just looked up and then the huge admin thing we did and in secret, and that was cool thing. And then I had a rat

the other rapidly it was amazing. I emailed you about then said how the fuck did you learn Miguel Miranda, unbelievable in the heights is going down him he won, the Tony for multiple Tony's for that he was backstage the whole time, and we had all these choose your book. We these suppositions, if give someone so wins than wolves fold in this little verse, and if this sweeps will add will go in this direction and it throughout the show I run down in the basement. What you got hit Sidney like try, stuff They Gretel of that, like that. I'd run that government to ensure I've hosted some pretty hard shows before, but the idea of, like just from you, sorry about being being impressed by technical achievements in magic to that was a technical achievement in hosting that still fuckin blows. I might have like how are you hosting the Tony's, its life, your hosting the Tony's, there's musical numbers, keep the show running still think you still be present in the show and then run down

fuckin right, a song that is the cap that is the entire show and then hit it hit the wrap in the meter. Hi Dimitrios high the meal hark as I'm super white and don't rap a lot, but I was watching a tightrope act, but don't fall. We italicized certain syllables within within the thinkers and wanted to be simple meter. If you watch it, it's not the dynamic data than he would want to be there. Let that that letter that let that that that I, like lots of crazy isms- and I did not do that really so he we- I tell us- I certain things and went through it, but yet I was just across my fingers and ran out there and looked at that prompter and said: please, dear God, don't fuck this up and it was great. I drop them. Like my favorite moments, I dropped them.

Get the ends. Scotia, mother, fucking, Broadway, show I drop them. I can I walk in Lyons like jumping up and down, and we have stayed. There was a good night. The title rot: do you? Do you have a especially Rina reveals the amazing thing nervous? No, I thought the Amis was. The unease is its own beast, because I feel like that's a bunch of people. They don't like each other in the audience really. I do not like the desperate housewives click is there and there sitting next to a sit, come group reality show and they don't want to be associated with, and so it's all these little bubbles of people there. You got the thirty rock gang, and then you got the daily show people in it. I like no one is not criminal, not very communal, and so I felt

a job there was to try and be the host of a dinner party more and be more inclusive and like make sure that we're all I don't wanna, be jokes at people, but I wanted to have everyone feel like we're having a good night business a fun night, so that was more. I opted to be out on electoral there the whole time I didn't like the voice of God doing a lot of interest. I didn't feel like I needed costume changes. I kind of wanted to be a good old school Johnny, Carson Road like just out there doing little bit solid time, and so that worked out that were tat well, but that was a different animal thousands a hard one cause as I spoke about before it, you don't wanna performances of the Mps and you have to keep on twenty seven awards in three hours, which is just a line, and so that was the year we broke. Did we broke it up by John Run, which I think was helpful because before it was so random

Writing on many serious, followed by supporting actor in a drama followed by best music in a long for noisier. Just have no idea what was coming up next, but to know that this is the now or at the drama chunk and we're gonna get out supporting actor. Chris best actor actress in all of the directing awards in that genre and then moved a comedy. I think- and I hope the night along that was dog measures, call he's good. It's fun, the one ass I find that I find them very stressful and very like China as you can see, we're talking about it so much and yet incredibly inconsequential like we are our asses off the writers, but trying to beat Joe we're trying to come up with quips we're trying to do whatever it and then the next morning they just talk about the one the award

right, that's it for they had men swept or they just fuckin pick it up large. Well, they always taken apart. You can't we're about that. The law is taken apart, but even within that you know the Oscars this year, you know they are. There was so much build up

how's. The house Billy gonna do the house to show that it be, and yet it is not about the artist one final words and brag John Dish on how one word, and that was the show you try to use it so, let's build up and that it happens and then has done and that its immediately onto the next award, so it's it sits at oddly thankless and yet incredibly exciting job. I have a couple more points that I want to add that in my head, I wanted it with you that I would not. This would not be even worse. Bikers if I did not ask you about doktor horrible nice and I like doktor or what a fucking insane group of you know, Jost Felicia you phalion yup Felicia got her pulse on the vote on the technological world. She is the pulse. I literally think she has the pulse than we were when we were at maybe COMECON when they were just showing midnight shoguns of Doktor horrible like before he come out right after to come out. She's like there's this new thing, Evelyn's

you're, gonna love, it's called twitter on one August. What she's, like it's great, you can like say: hey, I'm on my way to dinner, and you can only you can only do so. You know like a limited number of characters and then anyone who wants to know see where you're going can see that you ve gone there like, like the point it'll never catch. I don't wanna tell people like and now I'm feeling this way right right. That's why don't you get? It does twitter yeah she's twitter is a big thing. It's a pretty big thing, so, whatever Felicia Day says to do everyone listening, do it she's she's, invest in it. She's Van tassel, she's, amazing Nathan, billions great job we must guard. Wait. Till avenger comes out I've I've already that scene it I just. I saw the most recent trailer depends on what I heard from someone who saw it. Is that why they think it's going to be so sports because, since its jaws, all of these were sitting around the table scenes between all the

action scenes are equally as riveting an awesome as the action scenes its jaws, which makes perfect sense cause you got guys, which normally that's, that the soggy part bride of the movie is the the tougher in between the big action scenes, but its jaws, so you're gonna get great movie. All alone did, did you know just before dark sort of my and ensure well my manager. scented Sarah Michel Geller for a while, so I knew of him through Buffy, and then I got to go to a couple of Shakespeare readings aided at his house, and I was sort of a fan far distant and almost got to be on. Fly. I gather and then we just kind of both said a lot work with which we work together sometimes, but You said that the Czech Sweden, you don't think that's actually going to happen, and then the writer strike was happening

his arrived into New York. I was on a taxicab in a taxicab. I was on it a minute I was ready to fuck off Kiddo get inside inside the car, and then I got a call. It was Joss NEWS. I'm gonna do this three part internet musical about Superveillance, while Doktor Horrible's sing along blog, would you be doktor horrible and of course I would love to do that and it was super rely and super amazing, and from the moment I heard that I was like on board and loved it. and every chapter getting the files of of Jed his brother singing the songs. They were amazing. Songs like I love those songs, I listen to constantly and then we got to go and record them and then I had to learn my own voice, recording them for the lip sync and then we got to film it, and it was just crazy and awesome at every turn and then we got to watch it happen to watch it and there we got to watch it happen. We have to watch it, be the twelve one. The first one came out

you got two like lead on Itunes. What people's comments were and then a week later to came out, it was very soon doktor Horrible's really important, because you know what what digital? What what this kind new media needs are legitimate people. Saying hey. This is a real. This is a real form for expressions and this you know, so that was that you even those in a few years like Doktor Mobile was that it was still kind of on the forefront of of actual famous people, just doing things cause they're, fine and putting them on the internet and then seeing veto seeing a ton of people respond so positively to India. I think they're airing it on network television, soon network answer that say that doctor Horrible's gonna be airing on that work and are we all? Ok with that and it's kind of fantastic fitted,

It turns into that. We want an Emmy, they want an empty road, for doktor will sink my blog and it was never anti so that's got a rat, but I just think it holds up really well, I mean I'm just proud of its. I feel like it's a little shop of horrors, submission in that way that I think at last and people will do interesting productions of after midnight. Screenings evident character is dishonest. Great. That also made me feel not crazy to ask you if you want to do something for the nervous channel that you to channel that were launching this, because I, like, oh you, doctor rubble. He understands this warlike. He understands that. You know that you can just do stuff for fun puppets virginity, something with puppets. The German That's an ice. I rode on an airplane with Jim Hansen too. I think from allay to Albuquerque, and I was so overwhelmed that I didn't. I didn't approach him, but I saw him across the

I mean I'm looking, I see in your room and others like magazine with comment on the cover from when Jim passed away. There's a Kermit in Jim Picture of minutes zero and then a Kermit, an autograph, Kermit yeah, I'm a big, I'm a big fan of the way he thinks or thought. I really like from in your core to be wanting to enter and to be as creative as possible, in the way that you can accomplish that and so Disney enhancing our kind of my two, the two people I love to. I just think Patrice unbelievable. The fact that you can take something that's felt- and you know magic, markers and feathers and put it together and make an expressive entity that can amused and teach I mean I grew up with Sesame Street in the perfect days of it.

They were still doing it all and, moreover, in Ernie and burden the whole thing. I just think it was just amazing what an amazing way to learn things, because they also winking at the fact that they were guys crouching down doing the thing it wasn't. There were pretending be teletype. Users, though, was clearly they were puppets. I just think incentive was spot on soon, and I love you. I brightens inside becoming a friend disgrace, puppeteer in his flock and hard like when you go see like that, they were doing those puppet up shows that has a company for time. There's these live improved, filthy puppet show. Then, so you can see the actors on stage and they would up as of the wall and then they would the camera that they would place as you can see on the monitors view. Just wanted see puppets. Did you see these poor people I crouched down on their hands and knees like with their arm of an early with? That

simultaneously doing that and also when Palermo Improv, creating Scully owes, while acting the camera with their hands and bringing these puppets. I was drawing to fucking, crushing loved it added We should do something within what we will. We will yeah I'm looking forward to to getting that going. I also know what about an hour fifteen. So I want to take up any more your time, but this was amazing. Thank you so much for what you said. You had some elsewhere to talk about. You said I I'd be remiss it up by doktor horrible and what is it? I think it might just bit about puppets. Let's talk and talk more about puppets. Do you have? up. It's a have a view of a room, it sort of like a magic museum. You still haven't. I do it's hidden behind a poster. You have to enter secret door too much time on my both put some problems on the land rights. Do I have a puppet workshop in my garage? I haven't built any puppets yet, but

I love the turing, I've gotten detour, the Hansen, privatisation and see like what they do and its they're just the coolest from obsessed with like the little shells and you pull on the shelves all different eyes eyes, as is just think that sent out it's like a focused, almost Science museum in a word or two area. What you're? U fossils? Are you look at you know, and I looked I like to look at, which leads they used to cut the phone, what form they use? What did he say they used to attach? I just I love that stuff. So much and now I've twin kids were about to be you're in a half they're gonna love puppets saw be able to actually make puppets, not because I'm a nerd, but because I'm trying to music So I think law circular mail from can't be, but that's good. Can you want those kids? I mean you know when I remember when you when I first now, let's go new and David are gonna. You know, they're gonna have they're gonna have babies are they're, gonna have

here, they're gonna babies. What one one day he has meals, but when one baby Ass David Sperm correct her afternoon, but they were still twins indeed same egg exit from the same egg donor. Did you know that was you must do plan? do not work out the way you want it to or was it anyway, and both of them worked anyway, would have been what we would what we had wanted, but we implanted to sperm into the surrogate, who is a separate woman in the egg donor, and we had fertilized two eggs, that'll be the healthiest ones, and we had taken firm and found the healthiest sperm one of his want of mind. It must be a perfect world. Both eggs will have taken, had not happened in only one would have taken, which is generally what happens. We would probably done the process again using this

a batch in a different time with only all of this work for the other person so that we get started in a bid to just not twins, I'm an both took, which has just been it's kind of one. Great one stop shopping, I'm not a scientist how to two men, ejaculate same tiny egg. It's you have tat gets you allow tantric breeding, but they are a kind of in sync and listening to instinct health that really have very little and they just as your jacket and going back ban, and we were done with it. There was done. I feel like a lot of things that you do help legitimize legitimize things like like magic or or you know like inner

culture, or you know or like a word, shows what lesson I hope to have a late chapter where I get to be like at Sullivan and have a variety show learn you come on and watch me for an hour like show you cool things and I hope a lot of those cool things get to be sort swallowers and cats. Time. That's the next chapter is a blot will well at another. Well, torture Variety charade maybe, but I like that. You say that and I like that, I'm on developing a hypothetical sense of trust that if I'm sniff pitching something that I think, its forgets decent, at least. I think it was important. I mean I don't. I don't know what I've taken a couple: money, jobs and pitched things that I did not necessarily the lie: aid the business, but I got with Cyprus Divide gotta. Do that subtype, solid gold, diapers footprint baby? I think it's. I hope I don't know what breast milk

come from me. I did not say in these states it's good for very little dry and in palm springs these days, I think it was a matter of the process was like for you when you decided to be open about his ex relative. Yet I think it was very important begins. When was it for you laugh in Latin, near when you decided to be open about your sexual wended. That really just now was like a really it's time. this time, but I think I think I think it's important again. It was important for, for you know, cause we don't live still me like you, and I are around open, minded but the country as a whole is not super open minded, and I think it's important because people people like all different type, your Canada, the linchpin of a whole different types of groups like people, are people up to you, and I think it is important for you to come out because it just makes regular people go. Oh, I guess it's not of crazy thing. These cases normal guy. I guess it's fine well, and we live

The time now, where, regardless of where you live, you have access to a lot more information and you have access to a community that may not be in your town, but you know we have access to support groups, Vito Wifi. That is, you know lifesaving, but at the same time, you're getting to see examples of people of all causes were people before I think before the internet. You really only knew what was around you and if you happen to be locked, I have to go to a big city for a spell and see all kinds of different people and appreciate that diversification existing in America. That is awesome. Then you would just only know your little world, and but now with that, with that influx of information comes, I think, an acceptance of of

and types of people we live. You can see on tv now a thousand examples of gay and lesbian people, s characters on shows, as contestant son amazing Greece, as you know, there's hope, networks devoted to that stuff. and so I feel like now what was not talked about because it was scary because he just didn't, have any information about it. Now everyone has a cousin, neuron or a new, Sir nephew or a grand child or someone who's gay, I don't think that that stigma means as much as it did anymore. I think a lot of the stigma of that came out of ignorance and I don't think that's necessarily about thing is the way it was. But it's not that way anymore. There's just so many. If someone's I got really flame fruity, we know dance around a little kid? That's probably gonna grow up to be gay. That's awesome now has tons of examples of that in theirs. Tons of

and that's a good thing. I don't think that needs to be suppressed and, thankfully I think more and more states are concurring. I always like characters that are just incidentally, gay and it has nothing to do with their like we're. A silver means, Shell, with those two guys that were oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Brian and Steve edgy thou I sent out that they were elected the greatest layer, smoking love, arrow, fucking love! You too, there are like stoner if they did at the time that they were grasses, see. That's also also John Barrowman, who Europe against gay men of the year for a couple years ago, snap in a circle who played Captain Jack, hardness and doktor, who would torch, would totally insane This is like. Oh by the way, the scared was gay, but he's captain Jack hardness later, but he was Ike Omni sexual right, but he gave all the way- or maybe you maybe he was maybe he was had a boyfriend, but he was also excited. I didn't want censure, I'm probably not as an army. Sexuality is the correct pc term for someone who will have sex with me,

El Female, some sort of third alien, neutral gender that were not aware of hot Omni sexual, that's kind of words that isn't it new black, I'm totally open african American. Sorry, it's the North Africa replica of sexual. I mean whatever lack. Why tree people too slowly I don't care, whatever you're afraid of the habits whenever it yeah waiting at the heart of I'm excited about it I look around your examination. Are you? What are you? What is the big movies dealing afford, sing at them with hands down the avenger snap? I'm really I'm really covered, because its had so much build up for so long, and I don't know I pray, you wouldn't be excited about it if it weren't job, but I think think of injuries is the one that you know. That's one that I'll be opening day, but about law acts. Will you think what your thoughts on I haven't? I didn't see Lord acts, but I was reading an interesting sort of deconstruction of how it

kind of violated all these cardinal rules of what a movie shouldn't do and still like open huge words like super environmental You know like what they say like that too many names in it. Updating and veto. It came out on a week. I don't know that all these different they got it didn't, they rose reviewed not great and still you know, made seventy million dollars great title bright, colors right now. It competition the poster, just the Lord Ex muster I mean I was. I was sceptical when I heard that they are making or acts, because the the

regional enemy, Laura the Chuck Jones. One is very sacred to me and some like Hollywood come. What are you for? How many things do we have to dig up and fuck? How many things? How do I need to dig it up and stick our arrogant Hollywood Dixon and tried to pump money and- and but you know it's it- listen to have a movie work, Families can go see a thing together, a minute I've been out, but I haven't. I didn't similar project acts. Did you see it? I did not see that either. I you know I that seems coltan. I've been touring so much. I know another weakened famous now I'm not famous I've just busy you're good teleprompter, I'm I'm! I will that I am an excellent teleprompter eager to skill. It is, it is a weird scale, is ever remake clue the movie well shit on the floor, that's one of the sea,

good cows and I can't see me, I thought you bet. I did what I thought you had brazilian roadway. I thought you meant that we could have he procured tricks of what the future cares didn't studied with the pile of shit. loud, and I don't know- I don't know. Moreover, hither and thither I own up in the commode with a shovel. No, that's a movie that I love so much that flames sign of my head no eyes if they ate. They can't remain that it could have happened. This it's under the next movies, just ten more endings, yeah boring or could have happened. You know one of the remote till they ask you to do at which they probably would. That would be an interesting com. I would definitely do it. I want to do a movie with the waiting forgotten

Juno Christopher guest. I don't I audition for him once and for one of this kind of these snow was for a he was doing a series of commercials, someone hired him to do a commercial, and so I went in and had to improvise in front of him, and he was very nice very dry, very dry sense of humour shore, but he seems like the kind of guy that if you get a scene with him and were hilariously funny like killed it that he be like great. Let's do it again, but I dont think that you would. Anything from him. Oh my god, are. You just reminded me that, after this audition this was this was so long ago I was still fattened drinking and smoking and I went outside of the bad. I was so nervous after the audition that I was smoking and he came out, and you know he just look like an old gentleman, had the glasses on the little chain hanging like his reading glasses neighbours. Very, very conservative sweaters very neat camped gentlemen and on smoking in and he was like

said he stomach nice I go. There was those nice Germany's like when you don't smoking weed and I don't even exist. You young guy, come on what to do and if that happened, an ash, flew off hand of cigarettes and the land on his sweater, all which he did immediately like. There was almost obsessive like the unclean unclear and I've. I felt so not only did I just not only my being a punk kid being our ban smoking cigarettes outside the audition. I just asked on Christopher gas. Oh my God is at him so yeah, and that was that was he may have helped me quit smoking, my god he's just then that group, I love those movie so much I love, mentality, so motion and one that that was my favorite part of the Oscars. Is that that little bit whenever the focus group for the wizard because I didn't cited by Miss the Oscars. I did I

because I was working because talking there, it's on Sunday, night were lying on Sunday night, and so let us not go on talking down fun. I gave up on the shore. You did not talking and walking to give up. you should watch this isn't really. There are serious. My problem, I watched the whole, season, riveted loved young men, there, season. Two: here's. What happens? The core group in every show gets accosted by zombies. They survive and that's the shop. So then, the next so happened and there are like calling through the it's all quiet near there at the other dead cars in the car heat and there they have to get the gas have their different scenes and then oh wait a minute. What's that sound here's, a bunch, zombies hush to make a move right, I'll, find you and then they live and then that's the shop. You know it

certain point? Do we needed to only have a b one season long, because as soon as they start having season two, and then he is ahead season. Three Billy Chicken. Let me tell you something: No one is safe on the show there was a major death This happened last night that people are in up in arms Please tell me it was the best friend guy, I'm not. I can't say anything like I will say this already end this as an urgent. That's true, but you know what a lot of people haven't seen it. Yet you should watch You should watch the second usual second season, the first so the second season or not zombie heavy. It beats people. Relations vary, but glimmers era. Who did the shield for the show yeah and the show has been amazing for real for real, like there are things that you don't see coming that at the end of answer, we like what the fuck laying genuinely so just if you just given

other changes. I trust your opinion on everything I precluding television and cameras, appreciate that I will call you if you have any kind of tech, camera question and you say like no get. The cannon asked one hundred camera around or something like tat and I'll? Follow you on the walking? Is it better than american Idol B? Is what I could use some zombies. I mean other Vincent, even Tyler, hello. What are we hey post war? Is it better than dance? Moms is probably better than dance moms. another one I cannot really nazis. I tried to watch dance bonds in season to David. I sit on the catholic sanctions happening as storage mob war I'll pay? You know I saw a new one. Last night, LAS Vegas Jailhouse, what the fuck Have you seen? Oh it's it's a jailhouse lesson.

and apparently everyone's allowed to be filmed, and so it follows the people that are in. For one night, the one I saw had a dude that was on Crystal Meth for day four and he was naked and there had to strap him to a chair and he was freaking out and going then strippers. Unlike crazy, psychopath and cyclists. Fantastic LAS Vegas, jailhouse I loved in our new favorite, shall give it a shot is it better than LAS Vegas jailhouse? It probably better than I mean it's pry, better than LAS Vegas Joe House, but is it better other than their dead men walking it's kind of the same yo? Is it better than in a metal? My favorite, Syria of all season. Last year I dont think it can be beaten and I'm not kidding the real housewives in Beverly Hills. Your definitely not kidding Why does are violated serious and I can't I want reality. Television just makes my my dick go into my body like it. Just it just makes me like cringe well, but if you do

long enough, it can go in your body in a good way near yeah, just like they departed from private six Alec turtle. No, I mean like it. You can put it forward than you can actually put it I do, but I can't do that in the funding. I can't you that's a real houses of how should I get a longer dick or just move my bottle. I can't be that, as it gets how was it Beverly Hills and hung himself and stuff but oh sherry, say move your bottle amount I'm sorry, I have great respect for that. Poor man who I dont know what happened. It was unbelievable watching the people in Beverly Hills exist legitimately and knowing that one

of the players in this sad, crazy world and not all crazy like found. Some of them are really like, hangs himself to death and watching- and you see his wife, whose apparently being abused by him she's having a melt down during the season and normally Five things are just get him in a room and have them fighting each other and scream and cultural heritage and another like those ones. But this when you watch one, I will watch every applicant wow she's a mass and I think he's abusing her and he- and hang himself somehow and you're watching it all go down and it didn't seem exploitive and it didn't seem like they were putting them in situations to create conflict. It was just watching these people coexist in in this horrible.

surreal way and on a reality, shutterless, where there's characters and guys the unbelievable season of Russia are at war, give it maybe I'll give it a chance that one is crooked, shoe the best well. Thank you so much for your welcome unexcited, her part to yes, I feel, like we missed a bunch of things. We missed the porn chapter, we stuff. I spent a few years climbing mountains, yet the furniture restoration years who didn't we didn't touch on any of that. My love of NASCAR. Nowhere

you're that now we didn't even have time to get to NASCAR and the fact that I have two headed cow foetus in my freezer. That port might be true. That is true, but the events eczema freezer. Really someone gave me two headed cow foetus in a big guy from ally jar inadequately. When one day when I was living there, I bought it. They said you wanted to co financed with Alzheimer's, wouldn't it be when also bucket less you from all the height jar less, and so I said yes than that entity proceeded to break and is now wrapped up in a bag in the refrigerator and our courage. Oh, my, which begs the question: what happens next? If anyone is listening and they know how to like make that come back not to apply Nobody I got some that's gonna make it can. Reach

no can just put it in a well. That's another formaldehyde job, a village reflect pyramid, the guys the mouse is nothing taxidermy, taxidermy, taxidermy people that are listening. That wouldn't know what to do with something like this. I would appreciate it because I can't use the refrigerator for anything else. Now we have children. We can't put any other like why? Don't you have David prepare? It he's an excellent chef pickled, how faces to its delicate and it's a delicacy You can only feed your twins twin things, twins work, that's clarity is it? Is it really now? Let's go

Delicious, I think, taken to attack services, text or Missis dent summer. Didn't you hear what I just said with knows. I was apparent that there's no Taxidermy EAST in town somewhere, I miss atoms, are what are you can't just take it in the bag to some, but a huge pair do somewhat. This need someone that's into this idea of keeping a two headed cow in like Nay, glass jug that will shatter, but a smaller cylindrical plastic. I gotta get really did Abrams he will know what to do with it. He may like cyclist, I'm tellin you he might, he might have a team. Little something like that you might to shore, but you would himself like a visual taxidermy belt. Are you kind of intelligence? a little bit he's amazing everything it touches. Awesome. He s one of those guys. So that's why you should give me your ticket due to it account it sounds like when a train of such a them, like a euphemism, give him the two added cow

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