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Highly recommended Yarborough I came on after he did the hive and then he came on after he, too bright, Berne and now he's come on after night books and and hopefully will continue to come on, a really good dude in a great film maker and through the great when it comes on, because you know not only do we get to catch up, but also I get to ask a question about the process of directing and how it evolved with each movie. So You can watch night books on Netflix right now. I mean you could right now you listen to this. Punk has then watch her eager watch it and then listen to this. I guess we could do about the same time, because we ve now figure. Two splinter our attention into multiple different chambers so that we can sue multiple things at the same time, so you go. This is the age any pike, s number eleven. Thirty, six with

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no look, I everything said title for that movie, I cannot stop singing item. I had talks. Remember your boy Peggy was above Seeger Fan I'm not I see you law or in the tool manage nails. Ah I hate. How are you know me yeah. I got an alert from Spotify that I was like him. talk percentage of people who listen to tour on Spotify. Into it like an incredibly high amounts. They can make a one percent tile of tool vans.

Some of you have you put any tool songs any of the films now no, and I don't think I really made a movie that would make sense to have tool in in, but I would love to. I mean I would love to do something with it Sunday. But where are you? Are you? Are you back an airliner now, I'm in aspen, yet this I don't know what this is here. That's him. Some aspirin art remarked the others. There used to be like this huge comedy possible aspen that has been defunct now for, like maybe like fifteen years or something but the longest time like aspen had the defining. Was the HBO asked a comedy, pessimistic, defining comedy festival men? I wouldn't. I performed in a couple and I was shocked- how many art galleries, a tiny mountain town could have. I mean, like art, gallery art go make any as the latter.

What is worse Qichen, but I cannot agree that regimes and Saint James. We both he finished squad and I finished my books and I think we both needed a little Down time, because there could you just finish this movie and then James going off to do yet another ten fulfils back up yet another mass, If, as movie am yet so you know you take you down time when you get it yet Well, you have to you, you have to because it so easy to just thinking. Never can stop because if you lose even a second momentum, it's all gonna fall apart. Oh my god work again, so I took a mobile weak. I took my bath. What's gonna, how are we gonna out? You're gonna be fine, everything's gonna be fine. I don't have that disease. I don't have that

saying that you're describing where I feel like I'm. Maybe that's, because you know meaner I had down diamond. I had some time off between bright burning and this movie and I had downtime between the hive and bright Berne and I I mean like so I guess I just naturally my flow has been that I will occasionally sort of entertain the idea of like I'll, be really fun direct a movie. I have some ideas I talk to blood house about doing stuff, and then I feel a great after right When bright bird came out, you and I were talking and then Europe I was reminded, like oh yeah it it's not it's! Not just then whatever. However, many weeks, your actually directed the thing and when you sit with this thing for like two three years and now Scared me. Allow away rose like oh, I don't know. I don't know if I can just focus on this one thing for a couple of years.

but that would really freak me out. So I yeah it's it's it's an endeavour, and I know that every moment of the day that I can be like I do things. I do things and I regiment my time at my schedule. My eating schedule might my sleep schedule and all that stuff, so that I can be just maximum available for the maximum amount of ours and to be as productive as possible for those out. You know, I mean of course, so it's yet it is it is it. Is it from the moment you book the job like the races on and you don't know when you, when you first Sonny, I realized but yeah I mean every every every day that goes by another day that you could of practising you, could have had an idea you could have. You could have pushed something you could have pulled.

These images to share an idea that you had with this. You know it's like it's just you just you just you know it's it's a it's an all encompassing job. In fact it in fact that the fate of the thing about the job is interesting, because you're you're making you're making decisions all day, and you have no idea what how how weird, that is on your brain until you get home and someone's like a what do you? What do you want to have for dinner tonight, or so we want to do for dinner in your life. but but but Food and mouth me out now make another out and the capacity to do decide things just yet, It's it's it's when you say that, like what do we have for dinner, you like what's in the budget will know anything. It's not has nothing to do with it yet crab,

yeah near anyway, I find the other thing it seems interesting to me were imagine is challenging as a director is, you know, is it the film viewer. You know we see like a finished product, but you have to see that in your head, the entire time you're, seeing a sad and people and how things- might look in a room and maybe they'll look good on camera every day you have to show up. I feel like did the analogy that I think our businesses Every day someone said here, some water color every day. I want you to paint a picture and not to tell a story. You know over a period of six weeks are eight or nine weeks, but you have to judge intuitively use

roughly the same colored pellets it so that it along match. You know it's like you have to every day you some act tone match as you get new ideas as things come up as you have to be flexible and things that you shoot in nine weeks is like who fuckin remembers what they did and weeks ago that talks about something you should nine weeks ago has the match as though, if you were watching it that it just happened, likes

seconds ago, and that is very mind bendy to me. Yeah, you have a team of people who are helping you and you still mess up. Here I mean you have to Ives woman, no night books who sat next to me, the entire beach spurs I talk to most. Of course we are funding during covered, so we were both in, like you know, plexiglas phone booth and knocking on the booth in communicating by gestures and yelling and stop, but but but you suppose, I talked about on a movie and it's like an everyday life cycle where, where, where does the scene come from? Where is it going? What were they just wearing? What were they? How today enter where they moving right left removing left right, but but yeah it's a lot to keeping your head and you just you know. I think I think it's the easy enough,

people, don't realize, I think what what a raft it is and like you learn like I'm still learning you know I love coming on your show, like I really love coming on your show, and after every movie I've made I've been on your show and a hundred percent I made a then immediately come to yourself. I one day I intend to like watch all the bees back to back. As for some reason on your show, I'm were fortunate enough to talk about my favorite thing which, as you know, how to make an earlier. You know what would that process is like an and at the same time, every time make a movie. I learned so much so I'm looking forward to going back and listening to all of them and hearing how wrong I was or how different what how what I've learned and how I would

my eyes that out, you know the things that I would say. The advice I would give on you know the hive. Mrs bribery, nurses. Now I don't know it's just you and that's before the reasons why it's so fuck you know, to have you on too, because I feel like you're alive. The information each time and because I feel like you know, there's been this journey of you in the in the sometimes I really am also kind of mining for information for my own curiosity and purposes, because I really do think I really do think directly. Probably the hardest job, because it's really like hundred jobs even though you, and even though you buy, I do forget sometimes like Y yeah. We also ought to be, skills, delegate her and you have to

you do know how to let people like shine in the expert areas that you are an expert in. I don't mean you personally, but I just mean you as a you know in the general sense. damn, but still you still somehow have to keep the broad, vision of it in the intact and and have it planned, but before simple and learn how to improvise, but also keep everything totally swaps. Walks out of the room and they were into another room and bandits weeks later, that you are able tell the actor like this is exactly what you were totally doing or even if you did a bunch of takes well. These are the different tone. So it's just like constant patchwork it somehow you have to keep all in your head and so together and make it makes sense, which I believe is. Why Lydia, and I are so forgetting when we watch movies and

So what we want your horror, nobody horrid stevinus like fuckin hard make a movie? So it so easy computer shit. Why did they forget? You know it's a gap, you don't even know. I love you know it's like it. It's like it so hard to make a movie. So I really am fascinated process of it. Also. Everyone assumes that every frame of the movie is exactly as the director intended and there's no real, better for any director to come out and be like well yeah. I lost this battle or I didn't do it. You know what I mean or, like you know, we ran out of time on this day or we this or this and like the truth, is that every director you talked to will watch a movie front to back and they'll be proud of aspects of the movie this speaking generally about a movie and parts of the movie there, like all we didn't get there were that scene Oh, I wish I had another day the cut battered three dad. I wish I had that line that war

to give out, but I didn't gave arm and an hour. I regret it. You know you, like you know. It's me I watch a movie and it always feels like revisiting a battlefield. You know it's not like. I am sad to say that that might there are like argue, we are fighting, did not at all that by just meet a battlefield in the sense that, like you know, you go to war with this idea. You want to create this thing, you have this vision in your head for what the movie is and then you have what the movie actually is when you're done, making it and and their different thinks they just will. He's be different things, no matter how much money you have, no matter how much control you have because the journey of making it shapes it and collaborators you have shape it and you you you look. I look at the movie. I watch the movie as a series of like oh that scene

even better than I imagined it would be. That scene did not become as strong as I thought it would be an issue. straight. You know I mean and its it sort of like that. That's that's the journey you know and- and I think you know, that the people I envy the most often times because I do think of myself, like as an artist like like just growing up, I felt like an arc you know- and I myself are going and our kid and I and I like I want alike- I get these images my head. stories I want to tell and, and then I look out like people have been draw or, like you know, a song writer who can sit down and write a song prime by Israel itself like in you know they didn't open accession on their computer and make something and I'm so jealous because, like you know, I'm I have an idea like

It would be cool if we did like an evil, superheroes, Superman, horror, movie, right and and from the moment I have that idea. You know we have to convince people to give us money. We have to invents easy and I mean I have to convince I've got millions of dollars to make this idea become real and that I have to convince actors that, like delegation, can be in a movie, and then I have to tell him you know, and by the time I am actually seeing the the idea realized it is, you know too, could be to three year journey. I I hear filmmakers over a ten year journeys the twenty year journeys it to accomplish that. That thought that they had and to see it realized, and you know you you look at that credit list and it's like those are all people. I had to work with to achieve this thing and then

see an artist sit down and like like paint something by themselves in the studio jealous. I was so jealous, amateur Does it really does a rely on a committee of people to give you permission and then a bunch of people to all agree on the ideas you're going alone, but I did so I think directing is released the parrot metaphor for life, which I believe is being prepared as you can be, but also before about to be in the moment and just kind of go with the flow at this I was listening to us. I want to do the eighty station on serious exempt and who they were entering the survivor song. I the tiger, which was the big brother three song. You know they were saying that semesters alone actually wanted another one bites the dustbin. We, but queen wouldn't give them permission for it, and so it's like open

The tiger became this iconic saw. There was not only a massive head in the eighties, but also very, very synonymous with rocky you know and wouldn't go another. it has been also, of course it would have been spoken queen. It would have been amazing, however, because that and I'm sure they upset about it. In the moment they like why, yes, we have to go in another direction, you know and I never made the connection with like. Oh that's, The song is kind of queen. Ask I never it's. You know his name is Jimmy James Centres of the lead singer, the very high register, its that cannot bear. You know the guitar so, but that kind of what were happy accidents that other directly to go in because they were when two, it ended up becoming like a defining quality of their thing, and they know that otherwise,

yeah and you know that when they couldn't get clean, that that direct that that that that's alone went to bed really sad one night yonder is always a problem. It has had the whole time, he's gonna be so we're gonna have the queen sounded like do not get the green zone. Man, I put so much emotional energy. I built so much around that, but then they problem solving. You come up with a better solution. Relieve their people are like the song is genius and he's like. yeah yeah, that's what I want. I thought you wanted the queen oil, I don't think so remember that either I dont know until that story on satellite radio station somebody in it, but it is you know it is. It is that sort of any of our ideas that I think you're talking about to where you can get so

entered in an idea, and you really think it, but then many times. You know when you go one scene I bought should have been. Isn't it wasn't? It's very off Unfortunately, the things you don't expect, which I think is good. Because it reminds you like you, never know such as credit, you can do and allow yourself to surprised and either direction and just kind of trying to go with it. The movie I watch when I watch my this is not the movie you watch when you watch my movie and is not the movie that anyone watches it's a completely different way, you get really stop, go about it and think about how every single person has their own unique experience and they see there movie when they watch the movie, but but but it is specifically, true, but the movie that I watch is not moving. Let you watch when I like it.

When are you know when I watch it? I dream of moments where I can sit with an audience and for like ten minutes, get pulled in and just be an observer watching. It just watch it through the eyes of the crowd And just enjoy it as a movie, but whenever I see anything I I've done it's it's your watching it your analyzing, it still work your remembering, though, that the process of making it you see the scenes. You know you know that there used to be aligned between this line in this line- and you wonder, is that- was that the right choice to remove that line, but yeah we still, then I don't need that piece of information in the same you know, and some others so many there so there's so much and also you

I have I've yet to make a movie that I haven't had an incredibly intense emotional connection to I had you know this movie night night books that that I just made you know you know I am made it it's a it is not hard are movie. Like previous speakers I made it is a more family, is a family for anybody, but it is weirdly even more snow than any movie I've ever made before it. It was going to ask you about that without giving too much away it sort of like these, these ideas, I think it's ok to talk about this. We would spoil anything, but it's like that that state but I think a lot of artists, peel writers, you know whatever, like you got a write for your life, like your writing, to save your life and then there's always a creative like every time, the kids that would get criticising me, like others, the internet or that's a you know like that's a shitty teacher, told someone like that job. How do you not know this? These are this. It's like it's, the internal

model that I think almost every creative person has with sounds, and so I you see it. Is this really kind of great? You know gothic classic a fairy tale, the core of it. It's a bit really to me, was really about the artistic struggle yeah it is. It is it's very it's very much about exactly I'm, I'm so glad to hear you say that you not talk to so few people who seen the movie. You know and an yeah I mean it is you. I read the script and I and was I that's where this is describing me as a kid. You know it was like you know, I think, in the original.

By the way, I think any rituals script. I think it said he wears a Freddy shirt now I wore Freddy sure every day and when we are looking into it, it was like a legal nightmare to get ready so so I was married, your pretty sure, because I word Jason Shirts and Michael Myers United for anything or an and but so he wearing Michael Myers. Sure right when you first meet a man is room, is full of you know the horror memorabilia Thank you for your magazines and also holsters on. I think I may be spite of people under the Stairs poster for like a half a second, oh yeah. There's a people understand. Craven China. There is a debt alive posed

which is a very excited to get out now. I know, there's a bunch of really cool posters on the wall and and and but, like you know that work. That literally was me. I have a picture of my my of my room, growing up and and and and as I saw going through the movie in realising really what it's about to go. I know I know this story uniquely like like the people, you know I was teased. I was bullied man. I was bullied for just look indifferent. Looking where people were scared me, you know they thought I might. You know they didn't know. What to think of me. You know they thought I was weird and scary it they had another thought I'd. Like a spell we're something out of the yellow bird, but we're time for four kids

You know like like our. I there's just a lot of pressure. I think nowadays you know and and, and I worry about creatives and the pressure on creatives like being a creative kid being a weird kid you know I have friends who were weird like me or creative like me, and they did not pursue the creative bath and and and am it there's a little It is a little piece of my heart that that is sad for them, because you know it's it's I don't know it's a it's me. I want to increase it anyways. The point All of this is to say that I really wanted to make her a love letter to the next generation from up from a kid who went through it all. Got bullied in every way you can get Boyd and, And- and I wanted to say you know it's- you know, keep keeping weird and and and keep keep, keep doing your thing, because it's it's magic,

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I don't I don't understand. Why don't like sports or I don't know how to talk to other kid? that the dumb things that they talk about. I just I don't know, what's wrong with me, and I'm just glad that I kind of like hung in there. You know for whatever reason it was able to infer pursue the things that I love because how many people doubt, but I do think that you know the internet is, is, is a blessing and Carson a blessing in the sense that all the weirdos can you know, like all the creative people can in each other and connect and be a support for free there, but also it is certain Why didn t do bullying, arena of people. You know like I'm telling you that your stuff is dire Marino. So if you can someone a separate, I mean I don't envy having grow up at this time. It is hard enough hard enough. When you just be like you know you,

Little heart is on the line just for the immediate community. You live in, let alone like Navajo Fuckin war. Yeah man like like ear exactly right, like like the fingers, magazines and the horror stuff, just color on a universal experience at you and me are connected in so many ways. In our experience. You know we had such a similar you just in the way you talk about it. There's like we had such a similar

experience- and I know so many people like us who had who had that experience. You know you know I am growing up I'll lotta musician friends and they do you know they couldn't talk about football and stuff because they wanted to talk about. You know, Nevada and, and they want our ground on his nails and tool and stuff and an end breakdown that music in their posters recover. It but it's all the same journey, it's like. Why are we compelled to? We found something in the world that we're just obsessed with and for some there's something that we love and we wanted to understand it, but an issue, an issue we just wanted to understand. Why did Freddy scare me? Why did this joke make me laugh? Why did this does it? You know I mean and then and then,

and then, as you get older you're like I think I can. I think I can do this so another idea like for you, I M ass. I think I can maybe make someone laugh. I think I can sky the guy. You scared the shit someone out, but our or tell them a story that that that they can connect to in some way. I you know, and- and I want everyone who right now is obsessed with something to just follow- that to just like get good at it too, to know it too, like blow my blow, the next. Generations mind with some piece of art that, like you know, or some story, some joke that like makes everyone laugh. for a year like please, please do that and don't you know given,

well did dollars it, and this is something I feel like. I said on a recent podcast, but I think I, but I want to repeat it as much as I repeat myself. but I want to repeat it because I've had a really interesting journey with it, which is you know, just I've been writing lately, just literally for me like it or not. You don't really, Writing stuff. Writing you don't stand writing just song. You no end because I'm learning these instruments and in and I cannot help it not like I'm scared As for myself, like because feeling. So much of what we do is for the approach like relies on the approval of other people and not just the creative endeavours and commercially creative endeavours. Minos can make our Hobbes like our careers, but also just like our lead,

online lives like everything is submitted for approval and so becomes very easy to follow this space where we can get torn down by what other people though we don't even know where maybe don't even like, if you be city to you in Europe and you really broken down you like, or even really like this person. Why we care about what they think of you know the space what's payments still light of like. Why do you put more stock and other people's opinions that you wouldn't normally care about over your own about yourself? And so I ve been like you know, I'm really enjoy. This thing run just making stuff for myself and I may never perform or release it or whatever, and lets me really gratifying. how bad is that's it just sort of takes the external approval thing out of and maybe someday, I will perform it and that will be fine, but for now I'm not really thinking of that, and it has freed me up in so many ways that it's been a joint success, it's my share that again just cut.

reminding people like yeah. If you keep your leg movie if your goal is money or your goal, is like you, computer Maybe you do have to start trying to submit everything for approval, but just creatively to be creatively fulfilled, maybe just doing it just for yourself and you don't have to tell anyone about it yet just see how it makes you feel then later on, you can decide if you want to release it after you, ve already kind of and your own security with it? If that makes any sense, yeah I mean, did, makes a hundred percent to me I mean I've, I'm listen, I'm really fortunate I've. Never! I haven't. I haven't anything that I've never made a choice based on money like every movie that I've made. I really wanted

make, and I know that there still makers out there who make a movie they after where they feel like this would be a great career move. They do these things and and- and I am not criticising them at all, but but I'm just the fortunate and and and man it it's a comes from a plate, but ought to say, but I have done commercials in the past, that are a united. You take commercial at the job. You know you do the job of dawn, music, videos in the past. At times I have huge passion for the job it. Sometimes it was a job.

And man what a difference it feels like to to adjust reminds you. Why like? Why? Why I'm doing this? In the first place you know like if man, if I wanted to make money like there, were better ways there were so many better ways of them out of time and an effort and hard and tears, and just man did you know that put into this career, I couldn't make money, do and other things like a good spent half the time in parliament way more money, maybe, but that's not what I wanted to do with my life. You know I. I knew that the only thing that would make me happy was telling stories and and an end and that you know there's another piece of it, which is that I have a technical fast.

Nation, like I really like pushing the boundaries of like the technical aspects of filmmaking and and and how we can use, knew tat. The explored different ideas do things in a different way, which gives you you know an upper hand on storytelling, I'd, love the marriage technology and for making its just man. I at that. I believe that I can't imagine a day in my life not doing that stuff. a new and you also you also do a really great blend of practical effects and and and you sort of cake decorated with sea gee I mean there's ere, I mean obviously the the I am sure that some of the cat had to be said because you just couldn't get. You can't get Captain visually reacts. The way you need. You know what those cats basically react, but in general, like there's a character that

up at the end of the movie. That's like holy shit. What a rat links such cool there, Sir cool like make up a fax Anderson. we, the gray, click your work in this movie to an end dark version of a popular archetype of a creature without giving it away. That's like always I never like it just in there's just some really great re imaginings of things in here that I think people really gonna respond to, but obvious that you love the creature work so much even down to like the the eyes in certain parts in the cool like there's, really cool stuff with eyes and characters. That's like Imagine you like really getting out like how fuckin weird and coal can we make these eyes like almost

Willie one castile like how can we, how can we do this? Yes, that is true, I you know so can be, did are like Pratt, like our practical make up. bags and their did an incredible job and, and then, and then Mr X did art are visual vexed and, and they also did incredible job and- and I, like you know, come in his movie one of the goals when I personally as was to create, I wanted allied, create the experience I had like you know, watching. You know moot amp moot like ambling movies. That would be scary and and mysterious in but emotional and and a whole, maybe a whole journey. Is it wasn't just

Ok, I went in and I laughed and then I got it was light. It took me on a whole journey and and and and one of the when it when I really analyze like what made those movies those movies. You know, there's technical things. You know, there's the way, the style of cinematography, the way they were shattered. Certain technical brings a game that look, but one of the things that I really got obsessed with was like like making it make doing everything we can to make it feel real, unlike and like to really imagine like this is an incredibly fantastical contractors, wild things and get wilder the deeper move you go but doing everything you can to try to give it

a sense of reality, what? If what? If there was a magical apartment? What if there was a witch? What if there was you know this apartment, that if you open the door, I could go into a giant library you know like like and at an do everything you can use it to make. It feel real, and I think I think you know at times you know film making added. at its you know. I don't know this stop at that. Doesn't really work for me is the stuff that looks pretty. It looks good

in a style frame? It looks great in the trailer, but it just feels like the cartoon feels like I'm watching stuff just happen, that looks cool, but it just doesn't feel real, and- and this is a long way of saying going back to what you were saying- that I also found that the most realistic looking things are when, when, when we use practical effects in an odd met them with city and and and and the deeper ended a cd. Well, you go, you realize you know every time someone complains about CD or, like all crappy siege year, they just room on. He added made CD happened. It's because like it's, because if you look at that shot under a microscope, there's just a hundred things that are happening that aren't real. You know,

The skin is like shiny and no one's gonna shiny. You know there's, like you know, the light goes into your skin and bounces around and the sub surface light scattering that occurs that you don't even think about when you look at it, but suddenly that's the thing and- and you know what your eyes do, the rate at which arise move. Sometimes you look at you know cd characters and their eyes are moving to slower to deliberate and its. I it's like, as so. The question is: how real can you make it? You know when and how? How much can you can you make the audience feel like the really on this journey guess you taking people on a dream like here. This is this dream state and Europe that person is sort of seeing these shots and assembling a story in their mind an end like so much of it is like you want

to feel real. You want to be taken to these places and you want to feel the threat and you want to fall in love with the characters and you wanna do those things, and so I don't know. I think I think I think there's then that focusing on that is is it was. It was a monster of mine and also just trying to find ways to use, but do you spoke? and then just made the most convincing. The most convincing encounters with you know, Lenore the most convincing encounter with that shredder creature. You know what It reminds me of a bit of how the crystal- and this was on the package I don't know no months ago or something, and he was talking about I'm talking about is original idea for gremlins was just a straight up, horror, movie and buried that's it. Anyways like it was,

someone's desk and speak a word picked it up and to get home to read it, and I love the pin said to him like through the coup. idea. I mean paraphrasing through the cool idea, but there's there's no hard like you need to have like an emotional centre needs to have a heart, and so they added this whole elements which he's like it. a genius. He was absolutely right, you know, and so that's where you get this. This gizmo, you know, like you know, I'm a sort of thing about it is like ok. What making a movie like where's, your gizmo. You know like what's the heart of it in and so This is very real emotion of like this fear that we fear is creative people or this idea being bullied or two. Their or like the creative things, we're in tune with other people, don't get him so it's fucking, stupid, you're, dumb, is dumb, you're dumb, you know, and just because you know, I guess evolution airily. What sort of programme to need

We ve also that war, I guess, be a society and buncher. I don't know about it. It is over active in a sense it like a cat, be mobilized by that fear. So there really is, like a real emotional said, to this end. It just happens, decorated with this gothic fairytale skin, you know and everywhere the movies great, the kids, a great and Kristen readers. Awesome in it, she really is just a good she's plays this really great which is all over the place and jam under either. We mean right. She's unbelievably mean that amateur the same believe me, but but again you know find out why and it's sort of land and sort of like why you no going back to original x. Men movie was at it I'm where, like that was very pollution are, I think, in terms of like superior films, because we're very used to looking at Cairo Violence and we didn't.

We have to understand the the. In another sudden we see Eric Winter Magneto and we see this villain whose, like oh won, the first five minutes of the movie. You completely sympathise. this horrible thing he's been through and why he never once any group to ever go through what he and his We went through again it's a lot suspended at this dimension, so he's just not this big bad villain whose just doing evil things it's. I guess he's exe resting things in a very bad way. But you see like the beginnings of how. How could how could that have happened? So you you, you reveal some things like so hard without giving a thing anyway, it's not just evil villain, you know yes, she's very mean yeah, you started,

back some of the layers, some of its like. Oh here's, how she became that way. Yes, yeah yeah! I think you know it's funny right, like I think people don't really think about movies, like this all in all it, but we instinctively do like we ve all seen a movie and their light. It was fine that Bobby was fine. why why did I? Why should I air, while you know like it's the equivalent of like when you're at a party and a friend, is are you a story and your like what was approved, like you know you get then drawing like what we were talking about. Like I don't know ashtrays held it have to do that. Stu and athletic. Do that all the time by the way, I'm the person it goes on the weird tangent everyone's like. Why are we talking about?

you know balloons now here take my ashtrays. I don't know I just are talking I just as it is threatened with it, but but like about like, like Ruth, I thought I had come to. Think of filmmaking is like as like, not all two different from me sitting at a party across from you and tell you, ah, you know. Well, oh you know what happened there today this and starting to tell the story. And like and like the more believable it is. You know the more is that the more you can get pulled into it? The more surprises the more twists and turns in it, the more you might get pulled into the story and at the end of the story it better have some point because Listening to you for who rose our twenty minutes, it could have been through hours. You, those and you get to the end.

Better, be I see what you are telling me the story? It all make sense. Now you know that really liked. It was like the basic fundamentals of of moviemaking that often get overlooked, for it looks great it's downs, great there's, cool stuff. All that one action sequence kicked ass, but it's like you tell me the store in the first place, and I think that's where you get your debt, not with what Spielberg was tapping into with gremlins you like this is really cool. This hasn't mechanics of everything, but why? Why should I? Why should I care why? Why will it be more than just you know? I jumped a couple times yeah I like to think about the party. Is that yes, people are paying you in their time and attention, but then you're making a movement in their also literally paying you with money. I mean I get to be like if we went to the grocery store

Ben ninety minutes in a grocery store and you paid the clerk a hundred. Our new left without a grassroots, because, like one I just gathered like shouldn't get, should I have something to take I spend our time is money? Well sorry, but you too bad. You know. Yes, a hundred percent and everyone has a bunch of stories in her life that they tell over and over and over get right there, like their collection of stories, that things have happened to them or or whatever and and those stories they believe they ve been a filmmaker would be shocked told so many times that they realize do. This part gets the little long, they've cut it down here, Eli's that if they start here it's more surprising when you get to the end, which is like like screenwriter want alone like if you introduce it here and there the year. Oh, my god, there's like great changes occur and just like, like you know, those are all the muscles you know in and those are all. The thing is that you are now,

There is no point to where I just you know I didn't have a glowing. One goes is exactly know, but but but you right, I mean like we are a story telling species you know like this is. This is how we understand things we can bathing stories are how we survive. You know We pass on information. So how do we when it's quite literally or profession, honey, do that in a distinct way that conveys all of these things, but without over conveying it's simple enough. You know ass, but also addresses like complex and I don't know I mean that states. I do think there are some innate parts to it, but then they also just like practice and going back to the thing about it continued to three years to make a movie you don't I could go to and up two nights. You don't absorb seven nights a week, you two or three shows it and all the same. I'm getting a ton of practice. You really get to

work on one thing at a time and then looked back and go ok, now. What did I learn after that? Less typically peppered yeah yeah. That's a hundred percent right! I got like you are someone Europe as you are someone who I envy, who can just yeah like you, can walk Inuits like? U S especially make you guys can rip, you guys can just be handed a might go on stage and do your art, you know, and you can get to all, do a fifty minutes. I need you fifty minutes it are you kidding. I will give you know, but like right like in some ways I look at going to parties and sitting around and like smoking, a cigar and having a chat and telling stories about your life with someone as a kind of equivalent of getting to do my art without really having too,

your people, that I also, man. You didn't three dimensional space as about yeah like saying words, ass right, because right, like you just be like ok, so something you need to know about this is blob, lie that I can support the story right, What movie, I might have to find a way yet the audiences information source your bed and obvious, and it isn't just been done, but you know like like its yet it's it's such an interesting Periods to make movies in the audience is just getting smarter and better and they demand more of us and there you know what I mean. You think about a right, and I bet you feel about this way comedy right, like people just keep coming in using the bar. You know, and it's like damn, you see how funny this was still fighting. This was now that the new barge your good this.

We was that that's creatively inspiring because it makes me go get the bars appeared. So what can I do do you know. Can I improve on it I build on that. Can I find a way into that around that you know. I think we all really do sort of work up each other but you're right because just the amount at the time that this form of entertainment? You know going on a hundred years now and still make it like this kind of film making ends. like a modern stand up in the last several decades? There's been a lot of it and saw. How does it get reinvented? And you know there was a time a hundred years ago. People could just have their fuckin lines blown dislike. What watching a fiddle trained, only told you Jesus Christ, Maybe they ve never even seen a train in person, you know, and now worse, you know like we, we seen so much. We can be very spoil this consumers because you know, like

you can watch a movie that has the lack of any effects that if you saw like, twenty years ago, what are now it is. Yes, that's garbage added up it's all set. It also has the e g that it yet such as well vaguely, like we ve, been away. Any movie is a fucking achievement. You know like any move, no matter how bad it is,

any movie is, is an achievement if an achievement. It really is that it's like it's funny, because there's this there's like water, like there's, always like common things that people say or think that are so like it so sad to meet the artist. You know I feel so defensive wiping artists just in general and, unlike you, know, one of the things the sin that everyone commits is like is there like all like they threw a bunch of Monday night did see g and, and that was their answer to it and what they actually looks like is they went and may they hired some of the most talented greedy artists in the world to work tirelessly for a year to like try.

their best to light, create these three big they fixated. You know they had been started sitting analyzing this image fer, you know and that you know, went from an atom manner to model is that people were building digital assets to doing fine tweaking to being colored diving, an incredible composer score it and then you know, might not. Work might not have been great, but You know any time, people together through money added just like seeks as not at well, not what what you're describing as a very is, is a a psychological phenomena, known as the Dunning Krueger effect, which basically says that people dope people don't what they don't know it. So they make a lot of easy connections right so like it's a different stream

So you will get have their opinions about stuff, but it just means like if you're out of the plain of your flight and and the flight bump. Here the landings batter whatever you can say, I did not enjoy this flight. I did not enjoy that landing. What you cannot say is this pilot sucks because- don't know anything about flying to know what challenges. they face. You know, but, but it's very easy who don't know anything about flying ago disguised. that landing was terrible war, but you don't know. You don't know you know you maybe I could surface to air missiles were being fired at your place. You know that you didn't like the experience. What you're entitled do, but you can't say like all they did. We take it. So, Finally now, and it's almost like, we see a worry, we don't like it so easy to think the directors just laughing going to die. this should he see just piss you off you fucking asshole, like no Euclid, they may have done there,

They may have run out of time like maybe someone might have died and they want, like you, don't know what horrible things they went. and maybe they were like what you I don't care. Maybe they did brought away, but we do open. The only people do often pay like the worst shave intention. No, they didn't set out to ruin your day. They tried it. Just didn't very hard to manifest these things, but they weren't intentionally trying to bomb you out and believe me, unless there are sociopath, they probably eight themselves right now because they know that it in turn out the way they wanted and there being upset. If you wanted, if you want it gratified to know that their beating themselves up worse than you good way worse than you Yes, they are. They are yeah. It's like yeah yeah. There's that perception right words like oh yeah. I do well, just like founded, aided Dick is like

Did the director vain all derive is so tell room just sobbing, like talking to a significant other you're, putting everything is conspiring against it. I don't I'm no good. I don't want to do you know what to make of you. A piece of shit is forbidden for these people to be ass, penalised, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. That is what would you know. What about you know, there's a piece of it like the way I come to you. Today, as I realise that that, like that one of the things about movies is like when one like it. So it's almost like it's almost like you know eating a steak. I don't wanna. I don't want to know how they cut the steak. I don't want to see. that gory messy details. Wine in the butcher s shop- I don't wanna meet the cow, I don't wanna know others things because animals my god, I don't want to eat the stake. So it's like that that there's a certain magic to being like

I don't know. Maybe I was late like you know. Maybe it's ok that the audience sort of things that I was, but I just I feel compelled I just deal defensive of artists who are you know these guys universally see GR this man? No one gets crime on hearted and cd artisans down onto others like, are shot a terrible and you there's a cd artist used. You know, they're, not the has not like a big movie producer that you know someone who has a job and went into their studio, were you know, and they went into the shop in. They worked really hard on it. That's my shop and they did a good with what they had. You know and are probably really really really good and oftentimes. What you find is. If you talk that artists, they tell you yeah, I told them. This was

In a word, I knew this wasn't get, oh my god you're so right, but they all the time they're like they're like yeah, like I told them, but you, but you know, but it's what needed to be or that message didn't get to the hierarchy what you know like it. Just it's like the lines of communication can be wicked on a movie where there's a bunch of people running around like we're. How can this accordingly cause you will this person didn't tell this person if it it's like, so many things go wrong but you're right about the artist? Maybe they submitted something else, cause you don't like it? What a looked cooler button think about how the same person has been cutting my hair for like twenty five years and and he's amazing, and I love him and he does make up for all. The shows that I work on in here on his he's just he's the battery actually is the one that introduced me and Lydia. up on, our no way really yeah he's itself.

Up on our on our date, John, I love him he's the best he's like family to me end I find that the times the only terms, but Google, ah I do something hair is when I go hey you know. What would you do if you finish? I don't know you know what it is cut. This way It's what I try to micromanage, because I dont know what to do in talking about any did a great and for whatever reason in a split second, I was like. Oh, I wanted this other way because in my head, know enough to know what I don't know, and I You know how to manifest things, but he's very It's ok and so he'll do and I'll go. Oh man, it was better before the way you you it. You know what I should do and I can't believe I think I'll. Just trust you to do what you are an extra, do it. How often we just need to- and I thought to say that we cannot ask for things or try to crafted image together collaboratively.

but often times like you know, it is proud of liquids, just trust, creative people that we hire the experts to do what they do, because that's what we want and we are glad we don't want, like a studio person going, oh yeah, Can you make those walls orange? Why don't I just like the colored? What does it mean to do with the avenue the way that I wanted to do- and I promise you heard me for a reason: yeah yeah hung a hundred percent yeah yeah. It's that at its also the is also bad. It's I- and this is something that you know there's no per you eat your butt, you there's only getting better at and it's how you give notes to people and that's not that's not just directing. That's like right, if you were like hey, you know what make the front shorter. If you like in his head, he be like

Making a path, but but what really happened in your mind, is like I saw this photo where my hair was. Do you know where, where the the sides were longer and it looked better or whatever it is. You know and that that might not be the case, but you know at an end and or like I liked how, when we saw what this way or something and so you're, not really you you're sort of trying to treat the cause and effect you could actually make your hair look really stupid, whereas if you're like make my air lock, cleaner or make my hat and would make this looked tired. It doesn't make any sense. Absolutely absolutely like you, you wouldn't know. If someone was you know like if infinite it was painting something or even if it is like I'm having some work done on my car and then you went in and you try to tell the mechanic like how could you

and you didn't know what you were talking about, your private, I'm fucked up, you don't know you. Don't you don't know what you don't know so, they're, probably ten reasons why the thing that you think would work doesn't work because you know how it works, and so- you know now. I just I kind of just let him do whatever my harry once it's like. You know gone, maybe not one might have a longer. Seventy does what it doesn't like oil, it's fucking great I trust you are you know what you're doing I dont know: soldiers, Cyprus, data, yeah yeah. A hundred percent yet noted understood out that by way, that's it that's in everything, that's not filmmaking! That's just that! It's it's it's! It's it's a way that people manage other people, like often just leads to disaster right, because you you hire someone to do something that you're not good. At like I couldn't enemy, I couldn't enemy a shock right, but I can get a shot agri like oh, I wish he lifted his leg.

I'll bet you know like when I get mad. I do this, you know so that they know comes through to him like with, like a little more like what is that even mean. does lead ways like linking his leg and what I meant was when I get mad, I'm like a mad. You know like I like, like that, there's that, but you know so what the real notice like is like make make make him move, is body in a way that that is expressing. You know, frustration. You know like that. That thing you do when you're frustrated, you know and an that's No, but sometimes we notice that gets received is make a move the arm more. Yet, what does that mean our phone? Where someone it's like? You tell one person in and by the time it's like by the time it gets the artist Make him turned his head? What we were talking about legs is about prescription so yeah.

Is about clarity of open stream, a communication, yeah and- and that applies to everything you know like like make the make the presentation shorter you know is, is it is better than like How can the EU do you know, then, that, because, if you're like this presentation needs to be out and we need to give it to them- I'm worried you guys. Have you no short dead span, so you know you just as time if I were data, is a much better note, then being like cut this this line and then cut the unique just like like getting into the weeds like pulling, were: don't don't you know, don't use run. sentences are specific, no, but also, but also the other constraint that you have as a director is your own set your shit you're working week. Sixteen hours a day hey you, don't always maybe necessarily have the time to explain the wise of things or like really sit down and go who case for this one shot. That's like us,

Canada has long what I really and what I and this comes from a thing. So it's like that on top of that, how do you managed organize your time, which the whole other You know you have a limited resource of time. Yellow it's like time. Quality and budget you're. All you get those three things, but you only ever get to yell, so. How are you? Everybody wants three. Every

you only get to Europe, but yeah. I mean that's why I said: there's no perfect! Here I mean I I get better at it. You know I mean buddy Buddy, I'm imperfect I've given a bad, no many a time. You know given noted the effects that I'll see the next generation the shot I'll be like Odette ass. He would have said what I meant was this and I see that I created a whole web confusion with an open I gave in the inner it's it's it's it's a draft man. It's like you know, it's a discipline. It's like you know, it's something you just you! You never be perfect! Dapper! You try to learn everything you can use like yeah, but it's so it doesnt being able to sort of brush wriggle out of the way anyone itself back. It's how you are what what you have in your head, not immediately going with his person, didn't know

we're doing but saying like ok did. I did I I conveyed like was there's something that I could have done to have made this experience better and how do I improve on that and listening and you know, but I also can understand why sometimes actually half when Europe does million things floating around you and you have to get a certain number shots done that data. tomorrow. You move locations in your pocket. A bit ought to go back. How do you? How do you jungle all that yeah? No, its high stress, high stakes patients constantly and you know like it's an interesting experience, make Amory because you're just like you know, you know, if I don't get the scene ego is, and I think this changes the higher up you go. You know if, if I'll meet you two hundred million dollar movie, this may not be. The case is wouldn't be the case, but I know it even in the budgets that man now which are reaching a beggar and every movie I make you know, and you know it, but I still feel that I feel

that that pressure of like we don't get the scene. It won't be a movie if this doesn't work now it won't work and an end. So right, it's like so there is that the that's! What adds that that stress in the pressures is, is working against the clock that kills you at the end of the day that that kills yours, you know yeah. What did you looked so every kind of winning stand? What what? What would you say that you what's yours take away learning experience like what things that you learned from notebooks like as this is your third movie, a bigger and bigger budget wise, and you know more involved like what. What was your take away from this one. While this one was incredible, unique right, we went and did it at I mean I, I went June last year, so early

oh yeah, and when I went to Canada, I'm not sure if I was the first, but I was deeply. I think I may have been the first director to go to Canada. With Netflix to go, make a movie, maybe the first I was very early when I showed up immigration was like do you know there's a global ban. I'm aware, why are you here they ate? It took me hours to get the country because they were like what are you doing here and and if we really had to figure out what it meant you know we couldn't have for people in a room. So what it did, I think in a way is reduced everything to it's like purist, most simple form. What what do I need? What conversations I need to have before we start shooting what prepped do? I need to do and no item.

with the crew we get on zoom, and I was like you guys. I I want everyone to go home to their family safe. I dont want krona virus to ever be on our set. I don't I want. I want to protect everyone, and I was like guys we need it. We need to treat this movie like worse moment. Making movies are hard and we need to treat this like were shooting a movie on the moon. We are in you know, eight eighty, eight, an environment that poses great danger to us. They could, potentially you know it's. It is good require coordination so that we don't stack up that we're not in the same space and and and entered and could get each others say. I mean the extensive amount of effort that went in to keeping people safe, was tremendous and

So I would say that that the, though that there were a lot of creative lessons in those are alike, so no longer to explain, but I think I think the might might take away on this movie that the simple is one again into. I guess at the end here is to just say like is like is just is really. What we are talking about is how is is giving the most information I possibly can to the person who is going to be most responsible for that thing being there like, if we're talking about sets, I needed to be heard by the that you know the person who is overseeing the sides and I need to communicate in the clearest way like this- is why I this is. This is why I am not happy with the set. This is what I want to achieve. You know, and then this is what I think would get us they'll. But do you have?

idea, might like reshaping. The way that you communicated to get better results from people was labour and doing it in a time when it was over zoom, even though we are too often is away, though, has to be a resume. It was interesting or yet doing it through from our phone booth about plexiglas. box that I had to work out a bit o my god, that's like, as, if directive and business people chase enough, it's like I'm going to add this link global catastrophe. On top of it and all these rules, people's lives? Literally arts, like you, have to I mean it. It is obviously to stay I always feel big you know whenever someone's entrusting it with money in reputation and whatever you know it's, never life threatening usually did. I pointed Tory so yeah but I doubt that the world is, dangerous, so it's

I can tell you so: there's kids onset children onset, you know I'm saying it's like it's like it already high stakes and then you're like this there's children on said, like please chip previously re state is possible for these good thought. Keep it as safe as possible. Blake by we need yet, and so, and so you know, I'm I'm man. I am proud of everyone involved in its networks, the actors, crew, everyone we did- we people say we did with no one ever got Corona Myers on our set an answer, and I like that was a big accomplishment.

for me personally, and I think we made a movie that all of us are really proud, open and and and excited about, because it's it's so different than Then family movies has other family movies. You know, and it's it's it. It has a lot of heart and but I've just mad, because I know we're wrapping up and I really wanted to talk to you about that thing. On Instagram there yesterday. I don't know if I am so happy for I I can't tell you how glad I am to be able to talk about it like we. You know cause Lydia accordingly in late August and so, but I think that this progress has been made for about a month, because night books comes out September, fifteenth on that lets us watch in so you know, like we ve known for a few months, and we really just hold like really just our family in a few. people, but you know we just kind of we're. Getting the process make sure everything was okay and I was told

following Lydia's, lead on everything and how she wanted to handle n. You know message, people tell me Oh, you know whatever, and so, but it's just great to be able, what about it, and it is incredible Give really that cliche thing than ever? when I tell you all this work is literally nothing to compare it to I don't know it's just like think. I wrote this, Instagram, you didn't ask others, but I have been able to talk about it. A lot of my time. I want to know, but that's the thing they positively rivers. Let you know that what this for Walter Sounds were all of a sudden. We just see the subtle gummy Are we going around in there and it's like? Oh my god, like it, was remarkable in this complete. It was one of the most incredible and perspective shifting experiences. I've ever had because number one really just them, miracle of nature, like the thing that it sure this,

the thing that happens in fer. You doubts tens of thousands of years. This is how you humans, propagated mixer, existed or whatever, but but it still so surreal inside. Oh, my god, so these two, cells came together now, there's just this thing. That's just rapidly forming I don't know in this moment I really just felt like. Oh nothing else, really matter you know what I mean like all these other things. These you know of love to work careers. Very. If, yes, it's all fun. I love stand up. all the sudden. Everything else is kind of melted away in like no. This is really the most important thing and I and I felt really happy and peaceful about that, could just it felt amazing. It feels amazing and Eurostat say you know were lacking to sleep much for the next several years, but that's fine, like I asked right anyway. The job do that job yeah, but it just like. I don't know

I imagine people who visit apart ass regularly said something was up because I've started asking people questions legal, you have kids. So what do you do? I guess I'm just Now, I'm just trying to absorb information to just be like the cause best parents. I can be so yes, I appreciate that you, I've never leave us. I don't have it gets. I don't have that experience, but that, but I have a comparable experience, which is that my entire life, you know you here are your wedding day, will be like the graves daily life and, unlike our house, a possible. How is that possible make any sense I mean maybe will, but I do not have a great days out. Oh I get it will be of great day, but and then you like our standing there in the moment in your life and it's you and your like is the greatest

in my life and its it's just like the most overwhelming feeling, because you're like I'm, surrounded by everyone. I love Mary, the woman I love like you're, just like you can't even speak, and I often hear parents like yourself like hearing you describe it. It sounds so much like that experience and I did it. It's no moves me like like watching you talk about the so it's late It's incredible I did it. It's like a life changing moment for you and their congrats I'm. So I appreciate that any any do it's like you know like you, you know we look people that we know like David does margin at the top. he'll post about his kids in ages, gushes about them, and you wonder stand. Why, but then you realize you're gonna have a kid you're like. Oh, I really understand why there the most important thing in the world than there like you wanted.

Happy and safe in and feel support. in love than you love them it out, like you really, this whole other level and, like I know them at the beginning of it. But it's it's it really is just it's fucking remark. I can the waiting where would we be gets made it remarkable that a person gets Melick? It's just the right, the kid, the processes that occur. You know where video go. You know she's a guy just do a little tired of the gas, because your literally forming a person, your body, is forming a person. You know So you were energy. There is involved with what is happening inside you right now. Is

the glowing like yeah sides of it is insane it. It's just a credible it. It's like the two of you melted into this. Like Newton thing, that's gonna, kick, you know, grow up in an and have you know The amazing thoughts and and and and and Ino, should have like this a life this person is gonna have a whole life. You know you know and it gets its debts like a man. It's it's It is really it's really cool end, and it also makes me think: that's that's me they d be the Martians from Mars? Attacks were designs, maybe after. In Britain saw an ultra sound of year because their these times when you're looking at the other end in an it defeatist will like turn it

and you see like brain, eyeballs like the knows cavity and unjust, like this Matlock Eric we're gonna end it's hard to go, I got that act as it looks like this little alien. You know, and you see the spine and the bones, and I mean it is really really is just insane watching, a person form is very normal in very surreal at the same time, but were just wherever the move about it: man, King Congrats, Congrats. That said, I am Overman for you. I hear the thing common robs us of all these little moments and, like you know, if I wish you then here in aspen, when we saw your poet nice because it robs you of that moment. Whenever

you know, like is unfair to you, it's unfair to you guys. You deserve to have that moment, but you know it definitely happened here. All of us were alike. The boy. I really by really appreciate that. Like yeah, I mean you know, you know, people gives every day the banana gets four thousand years, but it does. But It never ceases to be magical when it's happening to you in so I don't know I'm I'm you do it. It's not. Now it's like we're starting to get to the point where I'm like. Okay, now I got to start doing research and I got to make sure you know we do all the right and Lydia's like so on top of stuff. It's amazing. It isn't amazing, even the family, you know like she's? She says the term like we're pregnant, like that. Nice, you to give me a call producer credit. I just you know it's nice, that you say that

Roy was too weak, but I knew you know you are incubating this life. Thank you for saying you know by really unified, I'm an assistant, I'm your sister said. I'm just saying How can I help you earlier dear I'm here to help you I'd run in store for you. I can eat up water related to do at every do whatever you need. I really feel like you do. I feel, like the fair it would be like you carried it for a month and then I carried it for a month and the new carried it out like that, Been absolutely amazing. Absolutely amazing! I believe that's great! That's! What's nice, your face by Willy Meyer very be living. I were so excited to get to watch the other night man, I'm glad I had a suspicion, you guys would enjoy it felt. Like I don't know, I just felt like something: no are you guys that that you guys would find a connection to and manner I'm happy to hear that. I really am

like? Where did you know movie- was called and that it was your movie area- it's like oh yea, irey, economic, I already know I gotta be something fun and weird and gothic in when you know like in and it was just all those things and so much more? So I really hope people. should any in it is it's like it's a movie it like. It obviously, is It seems more like a traditional fairytale like the darkness of like traditional fairy tales, but I do believe that it still a movie, you can watch, you know with maybe not like four year olds, but, like you know, like kids like you, can watch the movie with you with your family. Yes, that's it. We ve made it when I made this for families to watch together to be scared together, but not to put too far, but deliberately

we should, as far as I possibly can, but does not over their lines where you can watch with your family in, and that was that there was the goal and I mean you're. Well, it was a family movie, but it is terrifying in places like I wouldn't show gremlins so like a small small child, because like they're, fucking scary gremlins in it that are doing scared, membership. so when I was still say that it is a family movie family, Christmas movie, you know tat. We talked about large marge. You know how scary large Marge was we're making I died. We talked about, like you know, Roger Rabbit, like the entire Roger rabbit, when it's like, I saw out, was not a car, soon eyes and ears are stuck in a high pitched voice in his like brown. Oh, my god, I'm so scared scared the shit. me when I was open house lad when they built that sweet little pair of shoes and dip. You know like yeah, ah ha

King tat, I wanted to say- and I wanted to feel I got it- wanted you to really be scared and really heart broken in you know, Johnny want to pull the puncheons Lena. Well, One job, congratulations and that's not afforded you. this again after a movie number four which meet you, I'm so light look forward to it The original idea are you just kind of sitting for a minute? I'm writing something right now that I think is really cool and between bright burned and this movie I wrote something else that I am also setting up, and I don't know I had to put the future is- is unwritten. You know until I was you like until I'm on set, I don't trust movies really getting made. So am I I'm looking for

seeing what what the future brings honestly, what thank you for another one of your conversation, David, so good, to see you here and now I say the end I ii and iii incomplete.