Paul Reiser (Mad About You, My Two Dads, stand up) talks with Chris about how he got his start in comedy, the big comedy boom of the 80s and getting started as a sitcom actor. He talks about his time on Mad About You, coming up with new jokes and his show There’s….Johnny on Hulu!
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Look into the id ten t, podcast number nine hundred and forty four. By the way, since you are listening to podcasts, I just want to share that. Spotify makes it easy for you to stream this podcast and many others like it on your mobile device, desktop app smart speaker, just open the app on your mobile device, desktop wherever click the Browse channel and then click on the podcast section, and you can stay thoroughly entertained doing what Everett is that you do while you jam these podcasts into your ears. So thank you to Spotify for providing a platform for podcasters and also for sponsoring this episode of the podcast I have some stand up dates coming up the beginning of April, I believe maybe five hundred and sixty seven, but that weekend at first we get, I feel like. I should know these things katie. Why do I not know my own fucking dates, but it's beginning of April I'll, be at the comma,
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We had a film career and then had an incredibly successful television career with two sitcoms, one of which was one of my favorite, shows as a kid you're talking about my two dead. So mad about you, really, I fucking loved it as a kid yeah. I know my parents was like because you know it's been a married couple: But what did I know about that? But I just loved it. You know I try to talk him into bringing it back like see where there at now, but Paul is actually promoting. Here's Johnny on Hulu, which is an interesting. Take on Johnny, Carson, yeah and then red oaks on Amazon and stranger things season two on Netflix. It's all over these over the internets, the Paul lovely man and came to my house. We've been doing a lot of these podcasts lately as we're sort of constructing the new podcast. Studio. This episode also brought to you by square space. Destiny is calling says you need a new website, and if that is the,
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for sponsoring this episode of the id ten t, podcast number nine hundred and forty four with Paul Reiser Kati roll the thing initiating I elite nt protocol and this can be catcher on belong to my wife's grandparents yeah. This is like a nice antique super comfy in the old days. They apparently their asses slopes backwards. Their backs were like this
right because they had to work a lot with their hands and they just needed a fucking break just how to get to this country. They had to have a this reminds me of a bit that you used to do. Are we going we're talking? This is happening. What was the best the bit? I think maybe it was a just for laughs or something, but it was all about had something to do with like when you forget stuff that goes over your head yeah. I remember stuff, as it were you when we need to get some, I think you have to look up. We have to look up and when you're trying to we want to forget about it, you look. Do you look down? Oh god, I don't know where what was that guy's there yet, and I say last night there was a lot of there's a good bit. Why don't? I do not bring up throughout a perfectly good bit. You did that you, you know you look at that. This is a fun of a set of. Is that you, you might have done. Who knows? I assume you didn't do that just once, but are not a bunch.
But there's probably bits you must have just done one time in a club, and someone said oh, I love that bit that you did your like what I don't know why I once in a while there's something that now I'm going out again and people will say I love that bit it'll be like wow. I haven't thought of that 'cause. It was two thousand five hundred and thirty years ago and once the guy came up and said, I can do it and he came on stage in life But when I started back like five years ago, I purpose I don't want to use any old stuff 'cause. It had been done, but I just wanted to start scrap, items without some help with somebody brings up an all. I go can be such a prude. That's another good! I mean that's what's great about having a comedy career that spans a big chunk of time, is that you can go back, can cherry pick some stuff? You know you can my feeling is You know if you modify or you squeeze it into a new bit, then it's it's. I think it's fair game is like what people say, something that they've said one thousand times little preface it with You know I'm fond of saying:
so I got you know I used to say I'm only saying you've been done. I'm going to say it again, but I used to hear something I say all the time. Yeah, here's the thing I say all the time and you're in and pretend like it's a new yeah. When did you start? I mean I, you know my. I was exactly the right age for that eighties comedy boom exactly the right age. So I watched everything. When did you? boom. You were a kid. We kid yeah. I was a kid I was, but I was born in seventy one. So I was like might my comedy absorption happen with Steve Martin records in the seventies and then prior to and then just and Carlin, and just sort of dovetailed into the eighties for, like the nine comedy specials that were on every channel at all times right. So when did you must have started in the mid 70s, like dogs I started hanging out in the clubs.
Seventy seven! Well, actually you having a full time, but I was in college to seventy three to seventy seven. I would in the summer I would go and do it maybe once you haven't been there twice so as with those when I first at my tone, but at the time my sort of motivation or my it inspiration, innocence was the guys who had just launched out of those clubs. So you see Jimmy Walker, bring up friends and Gabe Kaplan and like oh so they go to this place, called catch a rising star apparently, and then from that you get on, and then you get a big show. Apparently that's the yeah that that that was kind of the. That was an interesting time because that that, but in the late seventies early eighties, and then that started again the early nineties were they would give a could stand up, Comic a show when you you know like it did going into the nineties, then you had, you know Seinfeld and Roseanne. TIM Allen and all those kind of started back, but they were doing that in the 70s two 'cause the welcome back, Kotter and good time.
Well, you know I remember when so when I did meh about you is like, yes, I felt was was only a guy or two ahead: and there was TIM Allen and Roseanne and then Raymond Ray Romano afterwards- and I remember interviews where do you think networks go to comedians because they making comedies right so who are you going to you're not going to go to fireman right. If you want to put out a fire, don't call a comedian, but if you want a comedy a comic and by the way, it's also historically that's where TI started? You know was Milton Burrell and I mean they were singers to who got their shows, but Bob hope in the comics were or the sort of lightning rod for entertainment, yeah well and also to stand up at a really strong point of view. Then you can build a show in a universe around that, as opposed to just casting an actor in two an existing thing and seeing what happens right, but I think they always put it around their personality thing.
Lucy or Danny Thomas and even in a sense Andy Griffith. Who was it wasn't quite a comic, but he yeah he was. He was a story. Tell it Andy Griffith be used to perform in clubs, and had long? You know she would spin along yard, so it wasn't joke joke joke, but he he was a performer. So Andy, the show was basically they put it around his personality, wow that actually I don't think. I knew that I don't hear that I'm here to educate, please form so. Seventy seven you're hanging out in the clubs and then when did you decide to start getting up on stage I was hanging out. I was performing so college, I you know seventy two hundred and seventy seven. I would go once or twice in the summer, but I'd wait on. Mine audition night and you know, and it got, earlier earlier that they used to give out your number at five hundred o'clock, and then it became three hundred o'clock. One hundred o'clock and then it was like an all day thing and then you come back at night. The show would start at eight and you get
at like twelve thirty, okay yeah and you go okay? This is a fifteen hour friggin thing that, like what three minutes yeah, and so you can't exactly- and it's not good, but I remember this is a very informative moment. In my life I, between freshman year sophomore year I went, and I did it one time I auditioned one time and I got back to school and I was on for five minutes. I got back to what you do this summer, five minutes of the whole summer, but it so I don't like something I wanted to define me like. It was the coolest thing, I've done so yeah, so then, and then in seventy. When I graduate started just when I hanging out. I was at the bar, but working in the hanging out 'cause that was part of performing like I would say I used to think. Well, if I'm on
one thousand one hundred and forty one I just come in one thousand one hundred and thirty, nine and I'll leave afterwards and people go all the other comment about. You know you kind of hang out like why and they were kind of right, because it was a community and you find out about other gigs and you would just develop friendships and your people would help throw suggestions yeah he's a bit you can put with that bit of like oh and it really was a very and probably I don't know if it's, because I'm not really in that world, but that the club world, but in my day- and it was a very in my day- it was a very strong, come ratterree and it was very supportive. I mean nobody was really backstabbing 'cause. If you are funny you were going to make it. Nobody is gonna, be in your way a what there was no finite number of spots out there. Well, that's good, because I think you know there's some it, and maybe this does exist in some places, but I think there is a I I've heard people, not a company business.
The girl must be pretty cut throat. Lookin, not really I mean you know, there's a lot in hey. I think you know Bill Hicks had some sort of, but it had to an approximation of a quote about the more specific, the the. So you, the you know, the the more you you are. The stronger your voice is the less competition you have to so you know it's not like it's not like some other comic is going to take a job from you right. It's like you well that person was right for that job. You could be right for you and that's a pro there's a finding out and it takes you know at least I think, five years to you start find your voice, got at least yeah, maybe ten yeah. I think I was doing it uh yeah, eight years before I started to zero in fil a that I had a little bit of skill, but all so starting to find what worked for me and what didn't like you know I was doing stuff about couples in relation I think that was suddenly scoring so much better when you know that's what I should write about, because that feels natural and, if
doing. You know the difference between now in New York. You know what that this twelve guys will do that better than me. Well, yes, but I'm feet there. There's there's, there's I think kind of a How many renaissance going on right now and a lot of it. I think, has to do with the fact that there's just so many you know there's so many places to do comedy and so many platforms, but I'm kind of curious about at that time in the 80s, so many people were just working on their five to seven minutes sets to because there's not a lot of like talk show spots anymore. There are not a lot of stand up, comedy shows on anymore, but at that time you could really do like a great circle to advertise your comedy. You could do like you care it's comedy hour. You know even get the improv. You really could bop around and do a lot of different stuff. So did you did you? Did you focus on your hour. Was your our like a bunch of five to seven minutes chunks or was was your hour like that's a good? No, I never was. I was never really good
never really did a lot of spots on the tonight show? I did one spot my very first time. I did stand up and I had five seven minutes, maybe that I did and and- and I cringe of somebody puts a you know it it's out there and and I look like a baby. I mean I can tell my voice is so high 'cause. I was trying to not be nervous and join me sound weird, and I was it's so slow because I didn't want to speed up, and you know I don't. I don't think I ever been a guy that can make a dent in five minutes. Like I said, we got to sit back, relax and you'll have a great time when it's all over, but to squeeze it into five minutes was never my thing, but when I did the tonight show afterwards dozens of times, I would do it from the couch right. You still have to work on new material, but it was a much different thing. It was you weren't standing that made such it. That's why comedies such a check engine thing, it's an audacious thing, it's a you know to say, understand here and I'm in a say things that are funny and you
laugh, and I see only reason. I'm here I mean it's a kind of ball z thing to say when you doing the material from from the couch it's conversation, so the skill is then, Well, how do I make this? Look like I'm actually talking, and I didn't write this within an inch of its life yesterday, plus you were doing it with Johnny who was a mass right setting you up and- and you know he was really really great than ever- come across all clips for me I can see. Ok, that's where he he stepped in 'cause. He thought I needed a new coat asian or needed a little new boost or here's where he laid back yeah. I was on a roll and that you know I did it. I did this show there's there's Johnny, which is on who- and it was the idea for that was let's go backstage and see what it was like to be there 'cause? That was the golden age. I mean to me: seventy two just to eight thousand eight hundred and seventy nine, maybe where, where when Johnny, when the nation moved to LA it, was in seventy two. So to me, as a kid
New York, I'm watching that just look like the coolest place to be stars are dropping by and so anyway the show is set backstage and we don't only when we use the clips. We actually see little snippets of clips, but we don't ever have anybody played Johnny and one of the reasons was- or the main reason was that you can't everybody knows Johnny so well or those of us who watch the show back then, and he was so singularly skill and everybody now will would admit to being Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy, Fallon and and and Seth Meyers and cone, and certainly will say, yeah my we grew we want to. We want we'll do our thing, but it's all based on the shoulders of that and one part of the fun of the show of the of the there's Johnny was looking through this catalog. You know we had the the full library of clips that our our our for our
news and you just watch him. It's like he was just always good and that and it was a slower pace, not every show was so much slower, yeah but conversational and not, and not I mean like now, when you do talk, shows it can be like you can. Do that view an account you want to hit anything and what let's try to find these beats and- and I feel sometimes like all I just I've- this feels Forster I'm trying to force, but he was so conversational, but I think that also has to do with the fact that audience attention spans and there were fewer. I options: yeah yeah, it was all of those things are true: there were fewer options and he was of the consistent, he was the continue. You know he was there and you go to bed. It was part of your life part of your day. You to bed. You turn on Johnny, you didn't say all while tape. Watch it tomorrow, I'll watch, it watch it on the bus, it's like. No, you have to stay up till one thousand one hundred and thirty, so it became part of your life and yeah for sure the attention span was greater than back then and so
and also for many years. His show was ninety minutes, so it was really. Oh, my stretched out till about. I think seventy, three or four is ninety minutes, so we I watch it and I said well let me you in any name and it'll come up. Let me see Buddy Hackett here it is here's the phone seven hundred and thirty second, and then you pick one and you see he's on for three segments: do a commercial come back in Buddy Hackett will go away and come back and still Buddy Hackett in my head. I'm going! Is it a special? Is it oh, my gosh, I know there's just no rush and you'd stay. There stay there. The next guy, so there will be a little spark, maybe of the person behind you. You know the author, He interrupted by Buddy Hackett funny. Now you do, you think gone yeah yeah well, and at that time too there were people who were just sort of famous because they were in this ecosystem of doing like match game
would squares the tonight show and they didn't really work a lot as actors or as much, but you know they perform in Vegas or they do the circuit. They. You know a famous for being on that and uh yeah, that's something that you don't really have now I mean unless you're on all the time. And if it or something you get in. Ok, that's the guy from Conan, but right but yeah. There was certainly celebrities whose careers were enforced and created by being on Johnny and for comics. He was really kind of adventure. Some he he was in some ways very middle of the road. Johnny was so comfortable. It's why he was such a success to across the board. He wore you know and he was not radical, but he was the guy who put Steve Martin on he was the guy, put Albert, Brooks on and would fall off his chair laughing and I wrote, and that stuff was so hip and it was ironic it was. He was doing bits about how silly stand up is or how this stupid show
businesses and Johnny loved it. So he really fostered so many Comic David Brenner Steven right. You know he kind of just wow put him on and he had member. He had him on for its first time and then like a week later, which was unheard of. Oh, I don't know if I remember that he came on a week later, it was pretty quick might, even days later, he just clearly loved him and had never seen anything like that. Then going back to your point, working on a five minute thing. One of the danger We have a lot of super some comics back then was work on your five and then you have nothing behind it so if you do well lingo great coming back tomorrow, yeah I got nothing or hey we're going booking on the road or so you have. Yeah. It's always good, like take your time. Take your and you'll get out when you're, when you're, ready, you'll be ready, and this time I chose not going anywhere, but you want to be ready that I think that was sort of a good advice for any profession like just get your skills get your experience, because the
one of the worst things to do is get an opportunity and then not have the goods to deliver like well. I screwed that up, it's sort of like the difference between being a great passenger and being a great driver, like you really it's not quite the same thing and it's impossible to explain to someone, but it really because you have to build all of context for the audience you're in control, exact, to really Ameri thing right and you don't you don't sort of get the passive like over conversation, another person's going to contribute, there's going to be a certain energy at one hand, then your is Asia jumping in on their on their moves. Yeah, your tag you're taken out, but there's no, you know, but when you see and alone in front of a group of people in their arms might be crossed and they're like okay, we have an easy you. The word you use is part is: is you have to define? The context is like all right, here's what I am, and in the first words you know, people are going to already form an opinion I'll. You know this guy is,
Norman Funny, or this guy is odd and really funny. This guy seems nervous and whatever it is, it's instant and you it's a it's a really high wire act. I was always jealous of the surrealist comics Chemo and Steven right because they had set this table to wear pretty much anything that they said. The audience was already ahead of them a little bit and ready to because they knew like whatever these guys do is going to be weird and surreal, and even if I don't understand, every reference is hilarious, as opposed to and I've never really able to write that way, as opposed to like when you're just yourself when you're just you know that people might go. Ok, I get that one and I'm not so into that one. That's why I said for me: it's I enjoy doing a whole. You know eight thousand and ninety minutes
and it's a dark and over the course of watching any show. You wanna have ups and downs in like here's, here's a stretch where it's really packed with laughs, and then we here's a bit where it's a little bit longer stories on and there with you and the context is defined like we're here, you're in you're in the theater. You came you drove here because you you know you already kind of like me. You must have you bought a ticket, but you don't have it it's. You know the fight a pill, but for those guys and like I remember seeing Rodney, who is up the master I mean that was his stuff was so Crispin, so tight every word and he would just a joke after joke a joke that were great, but it's like having too many perfect. The chocolate is like after about thirty minutes ago. I need to write, I need to change flavors and so They were much do guys that you would much rather see do an hour, but the tonight show was the perfect format 'cause he come out and do seven minutes of rapid. Clearly,
written stuff and Johnny was the perfect foil, Johnny loved him, and you know, and then, when he was finished, there was no there's no pretense of run had a personality beyond the job. He would just finish. The joke goes right. That's it generously done that's all I have whatever it also would have. Eight story for anyone is like he didn't. Really they make it until he failed twice. I believe he was tried it and I've never seen tapes are heard, anything of who he was in his first incarnation. He went out under his Jackie Roy Roy is really, I think he went out. The first time is Jack Column, Jack Roy and then he was little mid to late 40s when he took the Rodney persona, read the name in the suit in the I don't get no respect and you know suddenly, but that worked- and he was great. He knew how to just polish a joke in and and
also the context was clearly I get that this is a comedian. This is almost vaudeville yeah. This is a clown. This is a guy the I don't get no respect. I get that all right, I don't. I don't care if it's true or not, is a guy who's up there and I buy sweating and he's nervous, like okay, probably doesn't get, was but yeah, but that sort of character which Steve Martin did too of, like the caricature of a of a of a like club back to basically- and it's it's great, because it's sort of freeing to be able to write from the point of view of a character because that I think, that's all we know when you're, when you're, just being yourself on stage. It takes a lot to figure Who am I? What do I like? How do I convey these ideas, but really, I think the fast track to that is just well. If you can figure out some sort of a caricature, then you even know what that dementia, what the dimension and the defining characteristics of that, and then you just write to that, I think, can be a lot. Give me a little bit of a shortcut as opposed to.
This is what I think about life and- and I hope you think, some of the same things you know it's like at the that that character can yeah and everybody has a you know. You have a character even if it's not a character, there's certain things that would be beyond what you can comfortably say on stage right. If you're, you know you don't wanna share something. That's the the the the you that you present on Paige can't include everything right, so I mean another we're having a really intimate or a fight with your wife right like. Well, you don't want to be that guy on stage like that's inappropriate therapy or you're crying, movie like alright, that's you but don't be crying on stage right, but it's funny, but you know the context you saying when we were looking picking clips for the there's Johnny streaming now on Hulu,
so I used the guys that I want to see so. The first episode picked a George Carlin Clip, which was ended up being perfectly appropriate. Does it actually help tell the story and what he was talking about and just so it was a great piece, but we had Rodney and one we had Albert Brooks and one Steve Martin and the steep It was from. I think this I think December. Seventy two and Johnny introduced him as he is a very fun. It was his second appearance, and he said he is a very funny guy to second appearance here. A few weeks ago, as a magician but now he's a comedian. So some of that is a joke, it's like he's trying something else, but I think at that point Steve and his hair was still black and Steve Martin. I think his first time came out and he was doing six of his doing twist on it. So well, I remember that yeah he was doing like the the something balloon trash like yes, so it's it certainly was a comic, but he was still it was forming an
and then it was very shortly thereafter that he just sword and took off, but you can see the bear bones of it. Even then, on a second appearance, and he was he was somebody there was always a thrill to watch and because you could you knew he always had something new and he always worked and wrote very meticulously. A seven minute spot he would put in seven minutes of you know he wouldn't just sit there. He would never been an ironic. He wouldn't say you know Johnny, you know if you, but he was doing that he was doing in quotes right at like the bit where he says you don't have to go up, shooting a movie. You know we can't stay in the know. You always got to go and he walks off, because that is one of my favorite all time Kerr set because it's so weirdly like it's just for it around with the four yeah with the format yeah 'cause. Those are those of you who don't remember. Like the coolest thing, you do you All I got to go, I'm shooting a I'm. Sorry, I got to go so he walks off and then you just a minute later Johnny Johnson existence. He goes back as it would have been in the business,
the kids are from the girls stay. I don't have anywhere to go and just my extension, I'm not sure if Johnny knew that joke was happening 'cause. I remember him. I have seen so genuine. He would seem surprised, yes, so are possible. They kept that something will come out and they say they have places ago yeah. I just wanted to seem cool, Jenny is brilliant yeah, but that, but having a having a place where people could go where he allowed that to happen where he could go where you could go and experiment it, which is interesting to me, because I I haven't heard a lot of stories about like well. He was really warm like what a great hang after the show and so for a guy who, I think, could be so intimidating. It's interesting that there was he, not super controlling. In that way he was, he was a it's true. I mean I, I did the show a lot and twenty twenty five times over at and he was really of. Very gracious and very welcoming. There was a period like eighty six.
Six to eighty nine or something I was on a lot, I mean like, like every seven or eight weeks for awhile and I thought wow that's kind of cool whatever it was working, so he and I would do this stuff from from the couch- never hung with him- never saw a second before the show, which is why I'm there's on our show on this Johnny. I said he should. I wanted him to be just a presence. You know that was what I felt when I was in the building. If John is going into cup, everybody clears the halls. Hang on a second, nobody go out like the president, this movie, and so you felt his presence every moment, but you didn't hang I'm sure some people that I think some people went out to dinner with them, but he in in the context of the show and even during commercials, he would chat with you when you that was part his skill set. He was just gracious and he made you feel comfortable, and I remember I did a bit. I was trying to sort of a concept a bit like. Is it actually of that school of the Steve Martin Bit of doing you know, I want to be cool, those guys so I came on. I was doing some movie and- and you know it was
you do a movie like show clip and you want to set this clip up, and I I joke at my job was a you know. I don't I we couldn't get the clip but I have some cards here that with pictures and stick figures and I can walk you through it- So I had a friend is an artist and drew tend relive, you know big go. You know what they call the closed. Poster boards things that I would flip and the joke was It wasn't really clear, I think, about an hour like that. Joke was a that. I don't have a clip and I'm used bars. On top of that, I was trying to make the story funny anyway, so about three cars in it was clear that this is just really dumb, and For Johnny, looking at me on the air and just go, I think you even said. Like you started it, let's go little fish everyone of these cigars. Yes, it was sort of sort of like you know he used to get his greatest laughs about bombing. You know joke with Miss and that so here was all right. This is not really working well, but he made it fun instead being embarrassed like well. I really felt in br,
like yeah, I'm gonna treat you like any like appear like. I had a so funny because we do those talks. Audiences can be so mainstream that I I think there never put there, never really prepare for any level of irony so stay to them like why. I wasn't able to get a clip that I think they've. Thank. We really wasn't able to get a clip in the end wow. I can't believe you had to show these pick like. They would think that they would take it literally much about talk about context. That was, I was trying to do something fun and different, and it It didn't quite fit. My personal, I don't know how to I didn't have to sell it with Steve. Martin would have sold it better and it would have I know that was what I was proud of that and I'm proud of it. Now that, like I try something to do a little different, but you also at the same time that you're doing said, if you're actually doing a lot of big movies, which was not entirely common for it like it that I I feel like with the exception of you, know what
a handful of people not all stand. Ups did a lot of movies and at times like there were you know, people were stand ups and then there were there were, you know, movie people, but you know dying. There are Beverly hills. Cop aliens, I mean these are really big movies and they ended up really, love telling and making for meat. So and it happened like I had before. Eighty two, no eighty two yet. I think I had audition to be on the tonight show a number of times and it wasn't ready and like will call you are not ready and then in two diner came out April of eighty two, an I got on an I got on Becaus. I had just sort of wind at my back It's like there's a new movie and is a funny kid he's in this movie and his little buzz about this movie. Here's this kid. So I have that and I was like that got me in the door without dying or moment I mean I might have got. I'm sure I would have gotten on solely on my strength is a comic ultimately, but this really opened.
Door, and you know in aliens. Two was certainly was a big big deal movie that I was able to go on and talk about stuff. It's interesting. You know, then I those things are fun and they're great to be a part of, but in my head they sort of help, sell things like you know, resolve this year. I I have three things that came out. I just coincidentally, all within like a few weeks of each other, and I was on red oaks. Came out of last season of focus was on Amazon in stranger things, which is a big thing on Netflix and and my you know, a labor of love was this. There's Johnny, which is on who so I do strange, is was we always gonna talk about strange things and I would get on the show because a strange things ago, Brecht? Let's talk about this job, because I wasn't gonna get on with just that. So you know that's what they it's interesting, that the sometime
you get on a show cause you want to plug that thing, yeah, but a lot of times. I gone with one thing: 'cause. I actually want to talk about something else or in the case of leg and aliens or Beverly hills. Cop at that time is like It would be good because not going to need you to see the movie you're going to see it anyway, but that's the guy from we will go see him in the right. Honorable go see him in the club, so it was used. You know to help zero help sell tickets. Every cop was an interesting. I mean that style of you know like big budget action comedy you know. That was a really incredible time for a they don't they don't. I mean, I guess maybe maybe will Smith the someone who still does the you know like big budget action comedies. I don't feel like. I see a lot of them anymore, but that movie, you know so be. It was because Eddie has already talent. I don't know that that genre would have busted open
Martin Lars Martin Lawrence and in some well some of the comedies of Mark get will sure or Melissa Mccarthy in the spy in those sort of the new are comedies. Witcher me are rated but it was a moment, but I think it was totally eighty just blew the door open because on sheer magnetism and and and talent and so spinning off of all of that stuff, then when the two dads start. That was eighty seven, eight nine. I think in that after aliens and and I you know as pilot- and I was thinking I don't know if I want to do this, but I remember thinking most pilots, don't so I said well, do I get there? Is gonna get whatever you know? I was wasn't in the money I go.
Nice little check and then it'll be fun did the show was fine and I remember like six weeks later, getting a cough. My manager, hey the show, got picked up, another thing. I said you could kidding really Becca picked up full mine, so suddenly on that, and you know- and it was, there's a very educational experience, because it was never show that I Lee is didn't reflect my tastes right wasn't me. It was very hard for me to do my comedy in it and to to feel like myself, but two things either one is that you don't have to use the product in your own home to enjoy the problem right. So the fact that there were lots of people who are enjoying it is a good thing. It didn't matter that I didn't particularly my friends, didn't watch it, but it also. Help me. Learn how to do the format of what hour comedy is what a script looks like what a what a twenty three minutes of right show looks like.
And it also because it wasn't quite to my taste. It helped me realize ok next time I do this. If I do this again, I really wanted to be my taste. So when that was off was like three years that were not even if it was a full three, but somewhere by the end of three years, it was off. Ah, wasn't really particularly looking to do something. Someone a studio came to me. They said you know what you want to develop, something for yourself, Michael, you know, I don't know, number I don't know that I want to do have I said well, if I did, because I you know I could I didn't feel like I. I love that experience as if I did would really be really small road, be like something like that. Instead of people coming out of my two dads is people coming up to you know my daughter loves you right right right, that's where I want to So what people my age and going? Oh man, that's yeah. I watch that my wife, what we watch that we relate to that. So I wanted something that was really selectively, not because what I said was so important, but
I didn't have to work too hard. I made it is much like me so like yeah, let me just talk like me and write the star like because then I know it will come from a real place. Yeah and also listened it's great to get a job, but you know once you have a job for a couple of years. It's kind it's kind of nice to you know not disclaim your job. Like I work on this thing, but yeah you probably I don't know you know like to go yeah. You know I make I made this thing and I'm really proud of you know the thing about. My two dads is that I I I I feel like, even as it even as a teenager, who has a car shaped couch in their living room. How is that a thing? Yet someone have a table made out of a bicycle and I I remember you saying, and I remember you say 'cause I used to hurt myself. I won't buy the table. You know in a pedal just hit.
The Christian and I go. I get it he's an artist, but can we now get a regular table like never mind the comedy reality? I just keep hurting myself just had to you know, but it's in character. It's in character. You had to do it a character, but mad about you definitely was much more grounded, but still it's kind of you know. Well, it's hyper that nobody's life is funny the three minutes in a row and then quiet for a week and twenty two minutes later the following week. So obviously it's created as compressed, but we we always. We always strove, strived. What's the past tense of straw, let's say drove in so just a trough of IRAN. Repeat we we endeavored to make it to me ever an in depth to to make to keep it real. And we said what about the about things, little things and innocence having the virtues as it was The little things it's the moment. It's it's the look between
a husband or wife wife. It's the little space that you know that between two people who are not communicating that can grow. Something is all these little subtle nuances and then we would have so that was just so over the top reality with Christie. Brinkley is giving me a size, and we would go little things like that, but but I'm a no that was, I think I was the first season, and that was a very pivotal kind of show, because we took a really high concept, virtual route reality and that right it was, over, the top wasn't real, but what was real was the story. That I made an investment without checking with my wife and so the best, even though we have this crazy thing with virtual reality, his Christie, Brinkley in in a negligee The heart of the show was the sequence, mean where we're getting ready for said an husband and wife, an Al Anon tonight is it there and I try and explain to her well yeah.
No, it's really it's not a waste of money. You guys, because you can do anything and starts to warm to the idea. I see you can go skiing you can you know you could be all these wonderful things. Yes, what what did you do? I mean I got a massage interested, but it became the the for the fight and tension between the wife and husband. What is the story and the other stuff is just catalyst so anyway, so that I always use that as an example of it was always, we always came back to keeping it real, and that was something that had I not had the experience of the first, so I might not have been so allergic to non non. Real stone was that nine thousand three hundred and ninety one was not about you. Ninety two subs ninety two then n doing a virtual reality episode very forward thinking, but I I gotta say very fortunate, actually invested all that time ago. Yeah, because I I worked on it, I I was doing a sit com at clover, studio, those in like ninety eight and I think we were in the stage next to you. Oh really yeah. What was the show it was a show called
like us, and we were on for a season. Remember that and you on: U, which is not a network anymore so it was, and that was one of those like. Oh my god, I'm gonna sit com I bought a fancy car and then we didn't get picked up for the back nine, that when I'm move to California. I got an eighty three and pretty soon there after I got. I think I got a pilot and I'm going to partner movie was a lead in the movie. I said: well, I'm going buy a car about two days into the shooting. Is a producer and the director come to my house with us and we the studio, so happy is you're out and I go, and I remember thinking- oh no, no, no, oh! No! I just bought a car to go. You know, you'll get paid, I go alright! Then that's very funny! Yeah! I don't give a shit. Well, you know it can really fuck with your head, because, especially if you're young and all the sudden you get like you're not used to you, don't really know how the finances of the entertainment process work. So you hear this number, which is which is a gross number. Yes, all my god, you're gonna make that, with you know a lot of twenty five to
one thousand dollars a week. Oh my God's crazy. They don't get paid that much and you still end up with a decent amount of money. But it's like ok. Well, there's like twenty five percent, goes to agent manager lawyer then another fifty percent goes to taxes and then can't work on anything else, and it's only for sure. If it is, I mean I really and is another factor that I think is is prevalent among actors, every job that you get. You spend the money three times the man you land, the job who I'm going to buy some crazy shit mean you haven't gotten any, can do the job and you have said wow celebrating you go, buy some more crazy shit and then later the check comes and you you go out by some, so you spent that money three times now. Four, if you get a syndication like, I guess everyone's all done you go, I don't have a car and a nice stereo and seven dollars. What happened? What happened? What did I do wrong? Well, that's I mean you know the money part of it's kind of a mind too. I would imagine especially I mean, were you ever when you're when you were you comfortable as a performer when, like when
fees and finances start becoming news stories or like. Oh, this person is getting this much and now this actor is getting this much. Are you like hey? Do we need to do? Is it ok? If we don't talk about that stuff yeah, I always found that kind of desk. And I never wanted to know hey. But I remember growing up sort of for good or for bad was sort of. A nebulous secret. I just never had any idea what my dad made right. Like you know this is, I don't know that was so healthy. I can I do that with my kids like their goal time. What is what is a house like this because it would only about you got. We might see my in my younger son when he was like five or six he's on a game. Seven came home from school, any! Isn't that what do you? What do you do this is after that I just I was home and I was so happy to be home and I was so I loved
being in the house? I was writing, but I was like. Oh, this is wonderful for them, I'm I'm here when he comes home from school. You hear a lot in the end, everyone who said, but how? How can we afford this? Like what you know? I had a nice run and uh. It was a very big success and we were very lucky and mom works. Hard and mom is making, but uh don't worry about it. Don't worry about the numbers, and now I know he's going to so the launching into the world with you know this Beverly Hills show business distortion so a shirt is one thousand one hundred dollars. That is, that normal yeah yeah, especially at this time and he's actually cool 'cause, he's actually so much more fiscally responsible and he's come up and it's not for Maine but or even his mom. I think he's just sort of on his own decided. Why don't reply? That's too expensive? I'm not going to spend! That's like oh good, for you, man. How do you figure that out- and he did, I think, get stuff from your parents, but you also figure out what you need to well, what's a good bit of it because I think Felix
since so much time talking about like how to make it, how to make it how to make it. But if you like, none of people talk about how to be successful, how to succeed, because it really can screw with your head. If you're not used to it, it can be very so destructive, and so you know that last season, a man about you or everyone's making shit tons of money. Obviously you had done well up to that point, but that was insane, and so are you thinking about it or planning your orders or just trying to not get in your head about it or do you? Are you able to separate it? No, I mean it's. You know. Sort of it's sort of it's embarrassing. You know to be able to talk about 'cause, it's an obscene, you know, wanna show does well you get stupid amounts of money and switch. You hope I mean You want to do well, and it's not is the giving it out the giving it out, because it has value your your skills and what you've created is bringing in
other people are coming to see it. So therefore, it's worth it they're not doing it, I'm not doing it as a charity case by the way, I'm sorry dinner up, but I don't want to stick on that point. Just 'cause. It's the only time like when actors, salaries get into the news of people go, maybe keep looping that fucking. I would be it's like. That's the only time where people side with corporations I think around without realizing is ago yeah. The studio is not going to give money to an orphanage like it's just a profit share of the show that they are making it we're gonna, give him twelve hundred times. That's because we'll make a hundred times, that's yeah, it's worth it, but no, but I so we were always aware that, while we're in a really kind of golden Moment- and this is gray dan- it ain't always going to be like this, but we are very aware of that in all in all corners in that we're not going to be this busy when I can always have a show. It's going to be. You know top rate when I grow. You know most likely not be taken this,
and so I mean we were all pretty responsible and didn't get crazy, but I mean it interesting about you say: nobody knows how to prepare for success. It's a different world even now, because there's so much internet and speed and everything is everything is thing, so you say anything in its around the world in a second that didn't even twenty five years ago, when I was on tv, it didn't you could do an interview, and it would if you said something It will come back to haunt you, but it wasn't every day or every misfire everything, so it was easier I have a bit of of restraint in privacy, but I think it's also everybody's different. You know who are don't have money in a really messed up and guys. You know people make a lot of money. They really grounded. It's like yeah. There you know you're married thirty years. That's so amazing for showbiz I went it's not show
business is like you know. There are people get divorced to a plumber's and teachers and write and write so it's it has nothing to do with that, but it's a sort of the the outside projection of what people think show business might be yeah, but but I do think that, unlike most businesses, though show business puts people in situations there situational it's like you know, plumber doesn't have to go to work in part of the job. Is that making out with someone? You know? Where is yeah? You know to clean up those pipes. You know like it's, not that it would be like this business. A particular people are gone, for long periods of time, and so I feel like there's a lot of there's a lot of rock
the road that I think people have to extra put extra time in their relationship to make sure that they don't drift away from each other, because I feel, like you know it, this business does foster a certain bit of narcissism to make it function. You know you have to spend a lot of time with yourself thinking about your If your career, I think, to move it forward, especially if you're a comic or you know, you're an actor, and so I think that can sort of create the walls. If you're not paying attention like, but other people too, and in my case it was almost a double edge sword because I is mining, my man. In my relationship for material right right we unabashedly in, but, as was as were all the other writers we don't come in with and and so you'd get applauded and rewarded for oh, I would have real wow what a caring husband look up, Paul and Jamie. I go yeah, but to get that moment
I had to stay late at work for days in a row, and I didn't get to talk to my wife. You know seeing all the credit you see, you're seeing the the for the false reproduction, but like many come home and Go- and I I, my wife would be upset I go in. I don't think that's what the wife says you I mean we wrote a totally different or she's like don't you dare write that yeah well, I would yeah well, but we I was. I was much more adequate or filter than even she did. I wouldn't ever wanna put anything that was to, real or that would clearly look like was me and her but I still do that even like I do stuff about you know and I go. Can I share that, but there's a bit that I do. That was an argument that we had. That was so funny it was in a car that my son was in the back and it was a silly thing that snowballed into big, and it was just like. Oh my god, even laws have been. This is great. This is unbelievable. I mean I never sort of my so far. What I loved about being mad about you is that when you have those marriage moments there,
and and enlightened by going. This is going be great, sink and and gives you, it gives you what's the word a little bit of distance to remove that you can see like yeah! This is all fun, not that I shouldn't take it seriously, and I don't know it's not funny that you're upset or that I'm upset, but right just stand back and it's all silliness yet awesome. It makes you not take that stuff is seriously right as a panel. This means everything like all. This is actually really good right, but it was always a little harsh. You know who who awakening to have this, that we're all in on Paul, says this and Jamie says that what a terrific couple then come home and go okay, she's, not on script at all. My wife is really thing into me here, and you also got to be careful because you know it is it because it's something that might be super between the two of you, because you have sort of an inside thing with each other in an audience was like. Oh, my god, what will? But that's you know, that's just part of the filter, the
we get as a stand up. I remember so many guys you know, try something you something happens to you or comes to you in your mind and you try it out that night and for a big swatch of us who are observation. Comics you go and have a notice, blah blah blah and the good bits people laugh because yeah man, I did notice that right. That's so true, Once in awhile, you come up with something you go. You ever notice this and everyone at you, like no man, that's just that's just you few number. Somebody need. I was a really grotesque bit about something about taking it and just looking at it in the structure is a so an image I went yeah. You know what don't know don't do that? No, nobody's going to, even if they everybody had that experience they're not going to laugh 'cause, they don't want to be that
so you gonna hang that right up there. It's just you! Well, that's a tough one. Those are tough bits to sell in like five and ten minutes sets. Yes, you can say words that in if you, if, if people, if it you know as long as you know again- which you can use were sandwich there, but yes can sandwich the shipping. Yes, you can get, you can get away with things again 'cause when the context is oh, I get it and he's here. Is the parameters and he's not going to b, meaning is not gonna, be racist or or arrest on domestic? Okay? So now we know that so something pushes the edge a little bit. I feel okay, whereas if you just came out- and I said, let me tell you something about broads- I go check. Please come on we're out yeah. Well, it can to be you know the audience as a whole is sort of like a big horse. So you know I mean like they have to trust you.
Into the comedy water kind of yeah like if it you know, I think people come to a comedy, show wanting and expecting to be led and if they don't feel like the person on stage can lead them either because they don't identify with them or because that person doesn't have the skill set to do it. Then they won't follow. You know, I think they want to be lead. That's why the grind battling for the want, relax and So that you're in charge- but I remember, reading something Billy Connolly was talking or making a documentary and one of the comedy documentaries ice recently Billy Connolly was talking about. He goes your your rank. It's like you're, a Shepard or a or a cat wrangling catch right, you give me yours will be getting all together and then, if somebody interrupts and somebody hackles or distracts or something then scatter you gotta go fucking, everybody back and then only there together. Can you leave them where you want to go, but first you gotta get him together. Yes and part of that is literally like after stuck by horse being drawn to water,
the audience has to be defined as an audience they come in and their one thousand different people or whatever two thousand, and they don't know how to be an audience. They don't know each other and that's why I love you: have an opening act go out there and just let them practice paying attention, let them practice. Okay, let me get into my seat. Let me think about the phone call. I have to make all right now. I know how to be an adware, an audience, but it doesn't happen right away. As you come out of your the first guy, you go they're still settling in come out cold there just put in their purses down, they need to be, they need to do, go through their own process and let it let somebody has to help them become an audience yeah and it's and it's it's figuring out how to shorten that time between the technique. Look up yeah, it's up to getting them to be to be that audience, but you know, obviously, if you're, like you said it's helpful when people come to see you on purpose, yes and it's not like they just wandered in off the street, like you better, be funny, and then that the
that sir yeah, that could be a whole different uses auto, but we in the very beginning we still have with the call the Does with call new in the afternoon and some you know, entrepreneurial comic would say no I gotta show we're going to do. That a city college at one hundred o'clock we go really well it's in the cafeteria and lending. Ok and here's everybody get twenty dollars all right and you go and not only did they come to see a show. Do they not come to see a show they're reading they they have something they wanted is now you're interrupting them, and so you got to go put on a SAM wage in his room, and I thought of that maybe will make you laugh and it'll going like the hell man. We were trying to talk. That's more interference. Yeah you can thrive in that environment. You do! Well, God bless your bullet proof you can, if you can turn them around, if you can get them to turn around from their lunch trays. Well, I think most people don't really understand how
that company needs a little bit just like set up the goal. It is a bit was, but the coming over here it whatever its fifth comedy like that, but yeah you know people can need to be at least facing the right way: yeah yeah not looking down at their food tray. Yes, that's it there's a lot of subtle little things so mad about you is coming back. Yes, the what I know there was over there? It was a very premature room of that, but it's it. We were talking that which we are we talking about it for years we had always at, and I I was really clear that and and everyone come back as we did at seven years, and we ended it really well and we did everything we wanted to do and like sailed off into the sunset perfectly, and so I don't ever want to come back and ruin the most and there was never the first guy in a pool like somebody has to jump. So when I saw a couple of people doing it and then I was having lunch with Helen Hunt. I said: well what do you think so
you ever want to. She goes. I don't know it could be fun, and so then we just really were just talking about it like is the or something we could do, is there a way to make it worthwhile that you certainly can't come back and beat that same people right 'cause, especially our show which is about, quality, so they're, not newlyweds, and so their life has to be different. Twenty five years later, a little baby would have been out of the house already. So it's a different point in life. So if we can come can write a story about the same people now in their 50s and 60s, with the same precision and same sort of warm insight and sort of courageous little excavations of of of craziness that'll be great, but you know that you certainly don't want to go back. You know we're newlyweds and I just I just looked a little heavier. Can I just pitch to you why I think it would work Becausw Becaus it
so based in their relationship yeah? I think it would be interesting to see where they ended up all these years later. Becaus. Obviously, circumstances are going to change their environments, going to change their going to have matured as people, but at the core of still the same people so seeing like seeing the next chapter in their lives and being able it's just sort of like checking friends you haven't seen for a long time because of the nature of the type of show it was you did it give you don't have to try to go back to what you what you guys were before you can just take the honest bits from there yeah, and I think it would really work. I think I think it could I'm as well as we might do a we're. Just you know we're kicking around an above some, so somebody went to press a little too early and said they talk about coming back and it's been really actually very flattering. How many people stop me on the street? Oh I heard you come back, that's great! It's like ok, I'm not sure we are, but you know, one of the things you know was always an inve,
location of a relationship and one of the things sort of existential. Questions of a relationship is like why we in this right so in the beginning, you're drawn to each other chemically sexually magnetically, and then you get to know each other and and it builds and you grows and you have kids and and when the kids are grown, and then your landing in a different place, and we actually in the finale of mad about you at the end of our seventh year. We did a little thing. We jump the future. We showed a little bit five years ahead. Twenty years ahead, so we saw and in fact the broke up the came back together and and so that's why I was but we we don't, there's no need to come back, but one of the things that would be interesting if we did do it is this, a wall are absent
our youth and absent, raising a child. Let's say we have a couple of twenty thirty years later left in us. Yes does it? Is it wouldn't that we spend it together or we gave a great shot? It was good once you go free and I'll go free is like you know what what is it that will keep you together, and you know at sixty it's very different than at twenty five. There you needs are different. Your life is different, so in a way. It could be interesting because it's sort of new in the same way, marriage was new to them in twenty twenty five years ago, in this moment in life, and I'm I'm sort of going through it, which may give me a little bit of understanding of what the show could, because my youngest son is about to go off to college and I am dreading it I mean I love. I love. I think I have a great time. I love to travel with my wife and all that was like, so that whole chunk of raising kids sing a baby. You know it's over there.
And here we are, oh, my god, remember the old people with them with them. Wow. I don't know man there's something really interesting in there 'cause. I think you write it. I think I think I think what could be new about it is The idea that you know maybe the show, picks up where they've just kind of rediscovered each other. They had been broken up, awhile, and so the newness factor is them coming back together and sort of reuniting and sort of saying. Ok, we we, together we were young, it didn't workout after awhile we kind of went off, we were with other people, we had other adventures and then we got older. We are priorities, shifted and we kind of discovered like actually we do kind of like each other. But how do we? How do we like you know, because then you get you way back. How do you get your way back? You know somebody things seemed familiar. Oh now, you've changed but just kind of watching them navigate, especially 'cause you, it really rigid when you start to get older, you get set in your ways, and so I just think there
what about yeah take a comedy to be had there? Could you it's it's funny, one of the things in just toying with discussing it and Elena we're talking that one of the where things that makes her such a great actresses, she's, just she's, really real and she never just answered aligned, she's she's, always moving within, like we used to joke in the first season. We never saw her face 'cause she was blurring moving cleaning. And one of the things, certainly the beginning of our show was that momentum is like we just we just got to get out the door please get. The door and that's when life happens like I can't believe it just close the we leave it alone will get it later. How do you forgot your phone? Oh my gosh, so there's this momentum, That was part of the show in the dna well at sixty. I don't think we're at the same speed so like well. If we did a show, how
slowly would they be getting out of the house? And now, if you get your phones like often not even have a phone is not if you misplaced it do I have a phone, you know you're forgetting bigger thing. I mean I really. I really do think, especially for for people who watch the show, then I I am I I vote for. No, no, no, not someone thinks that everything needs to be revisited. Booted or whatever, but I really do think because of the nature of what the show was that it was just sort of you know a very kind of honest, authentic betrayal portrayal of a relationship. You have new relationship stories to tell and these characters death We could have rediscovered each other all these years later and talked me into it. I'm glad, I'm glad that's what I'm here to do. Listen if you ever on the fence about it. Just you know it when you think it would make you do it do it? Do you make a good point and I could absolutely be fun and and if we do- and I hope there's enough people who you know who to show up and want to watch it. I think there are that's one of the things that was
A nice little bonus for me when I started going out and doing stand up again, a few years back, I hadn't hadn't done it for twenty years. So all the mad about you years, I know, went out, and so now, when I go out a that people come into the show people, but afterwards I'll do a little meet and greet and people We have a story about an episode that was important to them, a joke, my wife and I still make that joke that you did an episode block twenty seven and or we got to the theme song for show or like gold and like oh, I never really got this feedback back then this direct face to face of p. Going that show really was important to us. Not is in the social. But just like we cared for that show we related and it helped us it's like wow. I never really process that or heard it so that's been a nice thing of for me for getting out of the house. Why did you not to stand up during that show 'cause? I would think that would be a pro
well believe it was myself now is going into the make the making of the show in Houston. I don't have any extra. You know I I didn't want to do at the time. I didn't want to just do my old act as a was, and I I I I felt sort of consumed by the show like for you know, you're making it like June August to March you making the show and then you take a little breath and April and then you start writing nexus feel like going out on the road I mean I logged in and out yeah hey yeah, I didn't have I wanted to yeah. I did it in a energy or the focus and some guys did in early ray, went out and Jerry went out and I never felt like I could so, but I kick myself 'cause now when I was right yeah. So where are those the billion dollar night get a little hell hole? Those are gone. Well, you need to be on television for the hygiene. You told me that I don't know what the but those those money gigs are corporate gigs, and you want to do this that that those those can be rough. The card updates can be really rough yeah, even if they're good, there's something not good
because you're talking about you, know corporate a comedy club every coming to a location, it's not their home turf when you get a community of- altogether that all work in the same office together you're coming into their house, they are didn't, come to see they are being fitted into well they by force. They came to see you because there was probably mandated by their boss, and now they have to fucking pay attention to some lunatic on stage talking about something or other. That's why the checks have to be big you can take the big check and wipe the sweat off your forehead. Let it go through that there has to be some reward. So if it's going to be not rewarding in not fun and it's going to work, then the check has to be big. This light is, on the other hand, you like, when I go to work on some material I'll go down the comedy magic club here and I remember I shot showing up and like younger comics going on. What are you doing here like nothing? You have a special
no going on. I like comedy, I'm just doing it, and I remember my son who, at you know at the time is like five six years ago. He did see me go out of house at night like where you going I'm going to do a show. Are they paying you? No, because why would you do it because I'm getting something I I need the stage time I need it. You know I'm happy, I need. I need that and so they're giving me the opportunity. Well, here's the other on the spectrum is yeah. I don't need to talk to the thousands of the accountants in a right, so the check has to be to make a flight is a traditional yeah to just to take the edge off. When I was there, it was what so, what's the flu everything that you want to promote, so could get everything out. Let's get everything out right. So here is. The main thing is: is this uh there's Johnny, which is on Hulu, see it was a
Leon C so which has since folding anymore right. So we were the first show to ever cancel the network. He actually they made them collapse a tent, so we were orphan and then we were sort of adopted by Hulu and. That is that we're not credible original and we're? Not quite you know we bought thirty rock. This is new, but it's ours, but, but so are you know? I don't know that they're necessarily want to go, make a second see so I'm telling everybody go. I'm really really proud of the show, and it was such there's such great actors on the show, Jane, Leavy and Ian Nelson, any Danza place ready to Cordoba and it came out really really great. No, I want everybody to see it just 'cause, I'm proud of it and not in it, but created with my buddy David Simon, and and who knows if enough people will chime in and write it, who will make all right now we see that everybody likes it too, because I would love to go, make some more and And that's it then. I have a couple of a couple of only to promote and I got up a couple of pilots that
written that I'm also not in, but I'm hoping to get work on those this year and get updates yeah. I got I'm going to Cleveland March 24th, I think, be at the hard rock casino. When does this, this will be airing in an hour, okay, yeah. What right now never losing its right now in a week ago? All right, but that's in my So that's where I know and yeah I keep meaning to like really go out and do like a month of gigs and I always go yeah. Just do two I'll come home yeah. That's a great thing, though, is you could do like you know, even if you do two weekends, a month yeah, that's kind of my of my go every other weekend and it doesn't feel like arm on their you. You know I just feel like an exactly unusual one nighters to you're not doing like, but so yeah. I just this past weekend. I did to show two towns in Colorado and so funny. I've I've learned that the further you go, the happier they are to see you the town is, is Skeeter way up in the mountains, beautiful town of us over there and and it was gone. Why are you here?
How did you pick a us? I said 'cause, it's one flight away and you had a theater and you had people who bought tickets I'll show up and you came in and they were great and so yeah to me. It's really fun and, and it's more you do it- I mean I know when I do two three shows in a row, then you get to explore new to really polish it and then you take a week or two off and it falls back exactly so. You have to keep it sharp. So I really do want to someday just clear the calendar and say: let's do five shows a week for two or three months which I haven't ever done. And I think that would be really fun in rewarding for you, the meh. You should I be doing clubs because I'm trying to get into our together and it's it's time consuming. But it's great because you see like five shows in a couple days and then you just you know you just do you get? What did you start with with zero? You start to scratch, find out what my speech
well, my special layer two years ago, almost two years ago and then yeah I started. I tend to start over and I started going out with a little bit material, a lot of crowd, work and then just slowly overtime. I I always have that in my mind, like ok, when it start literally clean, which I guess I did say, five or six then I started going back. I didn't do anything though, but now it's like ok, I have two hours whatever material I'd like to put it aside and just start a new hour, but I never can really do it because when you go up, you want to do just leave he said it's hard 'cause, that's that's no presentation or you can do it in a club, 'cause you're in the cloud you can fuck around a lot, but in a theater people expect to see yeah, but it's, but it's literally, like literally like collecting like little beads, and then you the beach altogether. Okay, now it's big full thing, but that's that's the fun of it. I mean this weekend. You know I had one, but that was sort of new and I was working on it and, and it made me so happy
it was sort of the same feeling. I remember when I was eighteen and went on stage for the first time like. Oh, that show it worked. I can't wait to go back tomorrow or, if I, just that move that there that's gonna, be perfect and of course you never get a perfect, which is why we keep doing it. I tell you what hit so here. Here's here's my pitch to you all right! So mad about you comes back, you can't you take it to Netflix and then you package, with a Paul Reiser, stand up special, no, you think of Chris and his and then it all sort of drops around the same time the special drop drop. So a couple months leading up to mad about you, so people get that Paul, Reiser flavor back in their mind, and then you drop mad about you. Are you thinking done? I don't know how you would not my manager that would that would be cool yeah actually be interesting to to go to a Netflix, and then one of the thought is that if we put it on streaming, it changes commercials right so yep. It changes the structure yep and the content changes. So you can actually see
which we were not allowed. So many it turns out. You can't. You still can't say that network we cocksucker Yes, a asshole ones are like no, sometimes that's the only word that will work. Yes, so you can where and then and then uh you can really up the sexual tent yeah, but we're on Netflix it. We might have shit my to sale, yeah, you can write. Well, I'm just glad that you came on? And that I mean you know I've been watching you for years and he and you are in a you, always seem like such a nice guy and you are a genuinely nice guy. You know that makes me very happy and I don't know thank you, yeah listen, you know those of us who do it. It's not because we have a choice. Right, one of my son. My son, was with me when I bumped into comedian friend and afterwards he said
I never see you get animated like that with anybody else. I could yeah comics like talking to other comma. They just there's a certain you can identify. You can spot when you meet people, you can go over there. The person you can kind of tell everyone's got a little extra and they activate each other. You know like comets, activate each other. Well I thank you for having this is Paul. Reiser is good to see whether there's no cameras at all. I don't know, I don't know if that's holding you back people, don't see anything, no they're, not there with their ears, all okay, yeah they're sitting with their ears. I just as if, if you were hoping that this was going to be seen well, there's all hidden cameras everywhere, so you know we're we're live streaming. Twenty four seven got to hear from your home to people know the word in your home, we're in my house right now, yeah, because we word we used to do these. I did the show for comedy central used record there, because I was working there. All the time in the net show ended and I've just we've just been doing them at my house, which is wonderful
for me. I hope it wasn't too, and only for you does. If I, but I'm looking all over the fireplace a you have some Antique said Jones yeah, there's a blunder bus up there there's a big long, rifle some small hand any operative in the could. No, no, no! No! No! These are now if a burglar from the seventeen hundreds came in yeah second and then I would take him down and he would because he was a burger from the 1700s. He would know to be polite to wait, so I could pack the powder in the end and then put the little bit of a hint hang. I should go to a load times, but these are yeah they're. All these are all like nineteenth century, antique guns. Every my wife and I both always wanted to live in a museum, so our house very much sort of family style is everything is into you can sort of museum and say you should invite all of your listeners here, because it's a very interesting looking home. That's not a bad idea. One day we will do a contest really come sit through the podcast know by me,
everybody not just one, everybody yeah yeah yeah, that's not the same rate idea just how to get some traffic in charge him a bucks. You'll do very well. You know people talk about web traffic, this is literal traffic, we doing house and don't tell you let it be a surprise. No she'll love it. She loves honey. What's the line outside did I not mention I forgot to tell you one hundred two hundred thousand people were showing invited to buck ahead, honey yeah, so you know I mean I don't know if we should split that 'cause. It was really my idea so I'll. Take you to a nice dinner and everything should be fine. It would be fine scanning complete, enjoy your.
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