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And the second season so mission log available on the Nerdist Network and rod feel like I met rod many years ago when I first became friends with who will eaten and so it was really cool to be able to sit down and been great working with them and kind of an honor to have a Roddenberry podcast on the notice network. So here we go we're going deep. This episode, you guys we are going deep down the STAR Trek hole. If you will star Trek Hole, sounds gross. I apologize, but typically that's what happens on the notice. Podcast episode number three. Fifty four with Rob, Roddenberry and John Champion and Matthew Myra, who knows a thing or a million about

Margaret now entering Nerdist COM, podcast record was activated now well we're doing a sort of starting episode and you're wearing your computer. I geeking out expendable is very rare. I got to represent, you know nicely done, where's your site, where you can only eighty zero restart your shirt. I am this

He's kind of wearing a future shirt he's got double buttons on there, that's kind of like in the future when they wear double ties and back to the future, perfect yeah exactly same same DIF, we're going to go to STAR Trek probes What is the? What is the what's his face? Where you know not salmon Ziggy, but the other guy, in Quantum Leap, doesn't really clear tired. All the time is weird as yeah clear ties, Lloyd, or the clear tie in Germany had a double tied in me. My the I single too confusing my ties and peacemaking, Honolulu Mcfly had the double array: fair, that the fashion future that we need to discuss and not only with your thoughts with your thoughts. I do tat. I too many guy had I'm listening, I'm listening rod, thank you, so much for coming back and thank you for doing the mission Log podcast for us, which of course will talk about if you have a listen, you have a mission backlog. The idea of taking every

sort of STAR Trek in chronological order and breaking it down, yeah seems core it is ok, good, it's easy! For me. It is yeah. Well I'm not the one recording that's very true, I just get to watch the show. You say: hey you every now and then you will get the odd taxi, odd, boxer message like hey. What are you going to do with this? episode enable does leave it, leave your little old walk about it. Just recently we did Friday's child Do you do with that? And what do you do with that episode? I don't know, I'm still reeling from the guys did a good job. You know there's so many times when I look at an episode in my I'm, I'm trying to be critical about and I'm in this stuff and I'm trying to pull stuff out of it, and I can't, unlike all right, so it's fine but there's. Where is the message they're all these fans keep talking about that? I listen to these guys and they they do a good job of taking apart making fun of it. Yeah don't get me wrong, they're, making fun of it, but they're pulling some things out of it. I'm like you know, I didn't see it that way. We introduce you

so people know whose voice is who's right. This is rod and John Champion and John does Mission Log podcast which what you're. Not what episode are you on Matt Miro, we're, hey Matt, everyone knows Matt and they know mine, and you are a Dane cook. Oh good, I always wanted to meet really excited about skipping planes. Hey guys. Movies are weird. Ok! raw so submission log. What episode is on right now we're about to record the deadly years, and message in that. What a spoiler for those who have getting old is a bitch, it's not getting old is really bad. So don't do it you know I have you watched it having around you. I've seen it before, but it was probably like five ten years ago, Reimer right, so we you know in the early stages of season two and it's good, but there are some rocky

I'm not going to lie and well do you think these of the action is really that it's and if we want to be an enjoyable, as you see there, you go yeah. It is more like when STAR Trek looks like Batman yeah, it's like that in the: u got not see planet yep, nothing yeah, so we're gonna have a few of those yeah and then, by the end of it, we're going to get to the space hippies, which actually I will defend, I'm like I'm kind of okay with spaces, because I the that was one of the early episodes we did for STAR Trek, which is the show we do here at meltdown where we watch not the best episodes of state next generation over the years, the next generation. I thought it was. I know we what I said to Damon Lindelof request. We watch the space if it was a okay night, which, let me tell you even talking over it now back on. Listen? Well, that's kind of the tough part yeah me That's the charge that have given given us me and KEN Ray who's, not here, but KEN who's. My co host on mission log is to watch episode. Try try to figure out what what the hell is it

about will watch. It will make fun of it. We'll call it out having terrible, pacing or terrible effects or whatever the case may be, will also praised it's really good and then in the last part of the show trying to figure out what are they trying to say and very often there's really a message, but there's kind of an interesting character, exploration or an ethical dilemma, or something like that that really to that point, when I watch them as a little kid, I just enjoyed them yeah and you know I meet all these fans and they say start to change. My life, messages had meetings. You know I was very impressed by that. So so we are going back. but I have to say I'm really kind of I don't know if disappointed is the word, but little surprise that they don't have all the messages that I thought. They would they don't have as much sometimes there's moral dilemmas? But you know every now and then there's some good ones, they're. Not all great! You find your, so I think you find yourself remembering

one, the media is remembered in a space. Well it and here's the thing the, but when we get to the end of it, as I really want to do this at the end of the original series and then at the end of next gen at the end of Voyager and every series we want to do is kind of a a look back and figure out. What are the big themes here, are having this constant argument on the show. Of the chagrin of our listeners about John? Yes, what is happiness oh yeah yeah see that's where we are because Frozen Captain Kirk. That's why you get to brain and brain what his brain? Oh! No! I just watched that the day. No thank you, but yeah Kirk will just come in and go okay. This is a happy, though, not progressive group of people on this planet. We should take away everything they We should destroy their computer. We should take me, spores are making them happy. We should just stop whatever it is. It's making them happy, so they can fight, so they earn it

I want to be so much better to earn it, and you know, can can is very much on the side like if there is a sport of there's a happy spore for him to take we'll, take it yeah. If you can upload his co, this into a robot body he'll, take it. Is there I'm not a be one of month, women, Would you one of the mines, women yeah sure? Would you show me whatever body you can? Would you want to live in the nexus yeah? wouldn't you want to live in the main. No, no Not at all is for you, Whoopie is not always there in your next that she's, not the head no, why do not want to live in the next and the nexus may be its own. I we'll get to that was left about the list. Lebanon we're there now, okay, all right! Now! Ok, I read it, but if you look at all these samples, they had the spores and the robot. God vow them. That's controlling the people in the apple and all this stuff and goes goes any basically,

yeah. This isn't real, so you can't have have this in the nexus. Is one of those examples of it's? Not real and Well, some people impose themselves into it, but some people are thrown into it without the desire to be there but sir there. What do they do? Captain Kirk rides horses. The nexus regale will well the nexus real, but but but Kirk's experience of it wasn't real. He was sort of their go, my away, I was trying eggs. I was riding horses. What I do now we would starship. He would have been content, though, had Picard not shown up in ruin, but when card showed him said, hey remember he used to save the universe, yeah and Kirk's like yeah. I used to do this. Professor all, but that what are you doing could have done had he thought about it. I'm like yeah, you're, right and then just imagine himself on the bridge of the enterprise and then everything's happy so it'd be like a next this version of the bridge yeah he just be on the bridge. Yeah, maybe actually way to mess, are exposed to it. For is matters right. Were you in dune?

that's where I remember him: caliber yeah, Junior Ex Callyeah yeah when they cast him for the next generation. That's how I remember the guy from doing wow. Is it all right? Patrick has looked the same for the for thirty years. Yeah like exactly when you look at him and do not look at my house. He still looks the same we must do is if you read like a the his bio that it came up on one episode of Tng his age wise, a card by the time nemesis is happening, the character of John Lupica, like is like seventy eight years old the time allowed and it does that do you guys? Did you see that picture going on the internet? That is a picture of how I know a way it was. It was Shatner, it was Kate, mole grew and and I fear every broken every Brooks and then John Picard, Patrick Patrick, and it said, like you know which enterprise had a gym and there's Patrick Stewart

fit in buff that, like eighty years old or whatever, is that eighty by now he's in a seven is that yeah he's gettin there and everybody else is looking a little a little we're for the one that the one that I saw? Those going around on Reddit the other day was how to piss off four groups of nerds one picture, and it was it had a picture of Patrick Stewart and in quotation marks, it said, use the force Harry and then underneath it said, Gandalf, right. I love it yeah, but do you think that's a really good start trick? Is the it and and not to not to always throw well I'm not even in the star Wars, STAR Trek I don't know why that's become the dividing thing. People like are you They get to a lot other like star druggist, our electorate, the same one is a fairy tale and the other one is basically a socio political military show where it's kind of like hey the mean for all intents and purposes. I know it's the United Federation of Planets this the United States. It is

going around for NASA, the sea of the galaxy and just instilling good old fashioned american values in people who usually don't want them. Those nineties needed them. I think I said on a recent episode. We will civilize you into it, hurts the head, that's the mission of the federation, and yet you know I I love I was actually. I was a big fan of what, when, when, when they went in, and just just added some light They just tweaked the effects a little bit and release. I don't know if that series had a particular name, but it was basically they took the first season of the original STAR Trek Series and they did a very low impact freshening up of the facts with just throw light cd, which normally would scared the shit out of some one to go. What do you mean brown? You sing like? Oh, yes, just for the wide shots of the ship,

it's just for some well going on. In the background of the bridge phaser shots stuff like that yeah yeah, it was all yeah a little it all improved it. Yeah yeah, it seems a little the little rolling dials making digital re yeah yeah yeah yeah in the background, did they make Grido shoot first, they know ready to go in, and I ain't anything like that. I love those who make us when we watch the show for mission long I've mostly watch those are mostly. I agree that the EU is to end and then you go back and you watch the old. I went to a t o s marathon, where they watched every episode in order. Over the course of like four days or something, but they were watching the originals and in the effects they yeah, they they don't always hold up. You know I love a model over cgi any day of the week here, but but man he's a little They just like totally swift to Cgi, I'm insurrection and most yeah look terrible.

In Voyager the same name yeah to have any item that is not as not as pretty yeah, but this whole thing is it's it's kind of not just the idea that you're going through and doing this, but it must be interesting for you rod because you I mean I know we we've talked before and you know I think, when you were young, your relationship with your dad was a little strained and, as you got most of us, I imagine I like most of Us Is there your dad is telling you to do stuff when you're like get off my back. You don't understand me the classic dynamic, but this whole thing is interesting because you are now. You now seem to be afforded the opportunity to get to know your dad in a way that you didn't when you were younger that yeah actually really interesting. I've. I've had a tremendous opportunity because traveling well, I was gonna, say the US, but the country though the the world and meeting fans and learning about their perspectives and STAR Trek really inspired me and

There are teaching me about the show and not just about the show, but about my father and you know, I've got to take a lot of these stories on both extremes with the grain of salt, because there's people who just praise my father and put him away up on a pedestal, and there is it's out there who really didn't like working with or for him. So it's been great to sort of get all of those stories and and kind of try to find the man in the middle. Was he a complicated guy? Like like was he the classic complicated writer who, like just couldn't, didn't really connect with anyone, I'd say so I'd say so he definitely had a life on the set and had a life off the set. You know he had his star Trek family and then he, his real family home in part of the journey that I kind of went on was like which family did he like more more which child was his child and so it was kind of an emotional roller coaster to go start star when he told him exactly, I exactly the I did, the exact opposite. I did. The exact

we just answer that right that, but at what point? At what point? Did you start really trying to our alright? Maybe I should try to understand this or you know cause a lot of people might have been like. Well, I'm done You know I'm done forever yeah. It was actually when he died as as as upbeat as that comment is, it was at his memorial service and I was still seventeen and a have given a rats. You know what and really yeah yeah I woke. I mean I didn't care that he passed away in fact very much so. However, I didn't get who he was and well I star trek thing gotcha. So when people went on stage and talked to The show that really inspired them and they told these amazing stories. I was really sort of blown away sort of raw at the moment, so I listened and begin. To explore and went to conventions and listen to fans, didn't really get it until around then that STAR Trek had this positive impact. It wasn't just

Science fiction, and so I went on this exploration and became very proud because I'd hear stories about how people would overcome adversity and, like limitations that they put on themselves. So whether was a handicap person who sort of had a positive outlook on life, or just some kid who was brought up, saying that you'll never be able to be something and then seeing STAR Trek and then striving to become that something to become someone who works at JPL you know that really excited me and blew me away, and I became very proud and have since been trying to represent the family name in whatever way that I can't must be. It must be kind of strange, though too I mean, especially if you're a teenager and you kind of rebellious anyway, and then you have this entity, that is essentially a sibling that you sort of feel like wow. That gets all the attention and I don't then you probably don't want to understand it because you're like fuck that thing you know like as a kid you feel you sort of probably feel that

I had a thing with Will Wheaton we were never at each other's throats, but I I sat down had a heart to heart at one point talking about how he told me this is about how my father would like kind of bring him into his office and like give him advice in, and he really kind of looked up to my father as a second father figure to his own and had these wonderful stories- and I kind of would hear this and I'd go like. I never got to do that. It's not that I never did. I I want to play the violin right allowed, but I didn't have those experiences, so I got kind of jealous almost pissed off at him and we had a great discussion about this and he told me some amazing stories so we're we're on good terms oh good good good good, you can totally take, will he's a sweet guy, but he doesn't know how to fight. Neither do I you could take his boat you can throw me at will and take his vote that at the same time, but that is

this kind of I mean was it what what do you think it was about his about his brain? That was just with it. Was it because this is this thing that he was making? Was this idealized Well, if I can jump have, I know what you're saying yeah, but my father had an amazing life. You know he was a. He was a bomber pilot in World war, two and and flew in the South Pacific and had like seventy some odd missions. He was a police officer officer for the LAPD for a while, he was a transcontinental pilot between New York and Johannesburg, any went down in an airline crash, he did not cause the crash. But in the syrian desert, and he let a bunch of people to see Grandison and greatest all rod. That's right! That's right! He saw you know the best of humanity in the worst. So I think he really just pulled on what he'd seen in life and he read he was very intellectual, so I think it just pulled this altogether in and kind of created. This idea of the future that just so happened a lot of other people agreed with well, it is when you look at

like a big shows like STAR Trek or twilight zone. You don't like like shows that are Sci, FI or fantastical in some way. Do do want to say something about the state of humanity, the most effective way to do that is to set. It from reality, so that people don't necessarily so that people don't get offended or so they don't necessarily understand like this things got a message. Thing is trying to give me a message because like Oh, what do you mean? This is a space fantasy or what I don't know, we know that the do it's all right. I was just to show about crazy, mystical round me now and so the idea that you can hold them. You're up to society with it. You know what they ve. A fantastical thing is really kind of particularly at that time, and we know what the socially what the country was was going through

one of my favorite gene Roddenberry quotes is it was in the making of STAR Trek and he says you know this is really what it's all about, as if you can learn to feel sympathy and empathy for a Horta for a a that is as alien from music and get, then you can start to feel empathy for another human being. Who is, unlike you, you know that that's that's! One of the big messages comes out of STAR Trek is not in every episode is not all the time, but that that's exactly what you're talking about you can totally removed. Situation by making it science fiction, and then you get it the you, when sees a- and I oh well. This is just a mother trying to protect her babies and we have obligation to make sure that we don't screw this up. You know, and then you oh yeah, yeah that this was what we thought was a killing monster, but now we can change our point of view and I love it when you and I talk about the show Roden and you say like yeah. This is a show

challenge my point of view or I wanted to, I wanted to challenge my preconceived notions about something and I got to do that through STAR Trek. Don't always agree, maybe with what the answer was but but It's really the fun of the show, because it's not always as banging over the head with something moralistic, but there is sort of a choice. Or or a moment of understanding that comes out of a show. Well, I mean I even think at that time, though just just the presence of Uhura on the bridge as a crew member, It must have been challenging to some section of people socially. In the you know, sixties, and so that that was just an automatic like hey. This is, you know like tolerant, be tolerant, it be accepting. You know. We always have to wonder like a star trek was on at a time where that stuff was happening, it's in the world anyway, you know they it. We would just on those baby steps of making should, particularly in big cities

You know integration happened in places outside of the south, obviously before the late sixties- and I you know always have to wonder it's like well. Did people watch that and go okay yeah? This is what's happening or did people who were bigoted backwards. They this nigger. Ok, well, yeah, that's nice! the tv show, but then they will carry on this sort of backward belief out rely, don't know, but I think what's important is young people watching it yeah and not seeing river right, not saying color or race or anything just going out? That's just how it is, how it is yeah and then growing up, just all magically condition to beat a more tolerant and make my right and otherwise a lovely put the Russian on who is who could not be oh of or of an item? I mean serious economic areas. Leah worry no, no and in the Japanese as well, I mean you know it was terrible. Dorani plus years after my father had been in world war too. So I mean

He made a lot of statements that it's it's really interesting, because it was the young college students that kept STAR trek on the air and they were looking at it the way you say and there's an interesting quote by Dc Fontana, where she says that you know. Basically, when the south said there were stations of the southside that we won't carry your show because it's got a lieutenant on it. And apparently my father's response was f off. That's fine, don't carry it and I thought that was really cool. That's a If we could swear on your, you can say fuck off all and but I would and then ultimately those stations, okay would have come around. But what about the episode where they have the interracial kiss yeah? I know yeah, let's be honest there, let's go meet it. And we have we. We don't going to extend so I was yeah shaila yeah, we're gonna. Guess again, as I was a child, I'm like yeah, there's plausible deniability here. If anything really went down with, maybe like well, they never actually kissed on the is a little bit of a cop out. It is two bits of a cop out, but

Is there under alien control, yeah all right, so they're not acting out of their own accord end up with the way that camera angle it yeah yeah kind of leaders are away yeah and they say that he did it. But I disagree. I don't necessary see it got. I I want to spoil anything for mission log, but we have to address. I wonder how much of this is taking a life of its own. This is something I kind of wrestle with. You know how much of the STAR Trek. I don't know if a lawyer is the right word, but all the stuff that I kind of pull out of it from the fans, much of that is their lorries. They had no brother about about wings. The bog can recognise the very well and and how much has just sort of evolved over the years- and I am not suggesting one or the other, I'm just very curious to look at that when we're done with the original season and as we keep who believe we ve had this talk or who said? Okay, if you look at the original series- and you look at it under the the context of just making the show like so yeah you're

he comes in and he creates the idea. But then the first thing you do is hire a team of people who can do and the the week of week to week. Some episodes gonna be. Some episodes going to be great. You hope that some of them have a good idea in them, but then it's not until seventies 70s. He starts doing the lecture circuit where you, really see the pieces it together as a philosophy. So I firmly believe that the philosophy kind of came second, that the show is happening. And they were really trying to cram in all these ideas in a kind of looking at the world around them. What what what do we want to change. What are the good kind of progressive ideas are out there. Let's just try, bitter all in there, but then you have to take a step away from it to actually form it into something that becomes a a philosophy or or a point of view, and I want to drop in a quick plug here. You just said the lecture series we just launched a website called track initiative and it's with Wikia and on that we've got some exclude

content. One of those is a really awesome, my my father, a lecture at Auburn University and we actually found a recording of that, and so we have it on the site. That's and it's in these lectures that you're like wow, you know this guy wasn't full of it actually kind of knew. I was about those those have been probably the most influential to me in terms like who gene Roddenberry was listening to those lectures he loved lectures. He came to Auburn Alabama in the 70s I saw him in Birmingham in enlightening Eighty one or eighty two or something like that, and so he would go to these places that were not know, kind of a little off. So what do you think the show? What do you think the big things that the show got right and what do you think the big things of the show got in terms of like social commentary, well in terms of winning genetics worded it kind of iranian right bodily and active in our daily using will happen. I don't you you think about the things that I got wrong. I don't necessarily think it.

Certainly, sexism is a tough thing to deal with, and practically every episode of Mission log calling out some horrible sexism, just totally ignored the woman's opinion funny. I was like oh we're mailing a grand statement. All these other things. Yes and it's keeper over in the corner. You know like it is that it yeah yeah only missing that yeah right right right, ST women like the next entry war really killin with. I just I'm glad you're not sure you're going to your cling on initiative. We gotta get them equal rights, but you know you put a horror up rightfully on a pedestal, Sonia GO look. This is really progressive. You have a black woman in a position of power, not only in a position of power but their episodes where they say you're the only one who can do this. You know and that's that's heavy stuff for for a crew of four hundred plus people and their singling out her as the one who can save the day. That's really cool, but then you,

refer to the other. You know every human is female and even Captain Pike and then capping. Has has the same line later on find the guy who assigned me a female yeoman yet so really really think that this is what it's come down to. So there's stuff like that. That really does not sit well with a modern audience. At the end of that sentence. I'll. Thank him because she's awesome with the things that I'm finding more interesting to deal with our like. Episode who mourn for on a is about questioning God and start it has done that from time to time, and it's done that better or worse than other times, but that's bold stuff for nineteen sixty tv or blind faith yeah, you generalize it a little bit more yeah, but that one you look at from different angles in different, like with Val with the app I'm gonna, go out on a limb and say that a popular television show on network right now. If they question, God would get just as much shit as the

yeah, possibly more yeah, absolutely it it would do. Yeah yeah people are much more vocal today, yeah. If we don't question the existence of God heads just as one of their characters. This is on one other story lines yeah there, be a a storm press letter. Writing pick like people would go fucking ballistic, so I don't think that's chain You can do that a little bit kind of under the rearing and ever character like house Wrangle, guy who's. Definitely a non believer. You know, but but he's also, but houses character is also irreparably broke their rights if it right. You know, lady, that everyday anti here, oh yes, he's very much the anti era like you wouldn't just to have YE ll, I don't I don't think I hit show would just have. A normal family of atheists. No, but they do have them with Mormons yeah. So I guess you mean big. Let you take a big lead, left, yeah, yeah yeah. We you find stuff like that. You the whole idea of like self determination.

Individual freedom, you know these are the big things that keep cropping up throughout and then one of the early episodes that we did that I was so impressed with again I'll give credit to my co host. Can re the might maneuver right end of that episode isn't about Clint Howard. Looking creepy as a baby alien. The end of that episode is about Kirk, saying no. No, they just scared us. They damaged our ship. They did all these terrible things for us. Therefore, we have to go over there and help them, because now now they're damaged. And I forget the crewman who's who's totally opposed to terrified totally terrified hurts like no, this what we do and can made a really great point about how when we espouse these high ideals, he and he tied it back to politics today, you know when we talk about places like and and all these if we're going to say that we are better than that. If we're going to have laws to have rule of law where we hold, ourselves that high standard. We have to act like that. We can't just say that we

have that law and yea America. We're we're doing it right now. We have to behave in the way that we say we are better and we are evolved and we are moral. That's the really cool stuff that pops up out of STAR Trek to me. How Howard do his own voice not voiced him. I remember now, I'm lack If you treasure this trying as much as I, you can see that yeah that good to read it into Adam Corolla, did it in the Shatner roast naturally way, I'm sorry they they did bring back that Howard for that. But I I want to say the Adam Carolla voiced it or somebody did yeah, that's really fun, yeah, it's good stuff. I don't know if I know I know until just before but I, when I went to LA I worked at a country club, that's right, parking cars. Why I worked everywhere in that club, work in the back room. I caddied I worked in the I work in the parking lot and

I on a couple of occasions does drove your dad home because they lived around the corner right and your mom through, Christmas Party one year, and we parked of the cars on the facing the wrong way and a parking enforcement came by their online so Robert facing in the opposite direction, which it turns out, yeah you're not allowed to do so. These parking will ticketed every. Single car. So at the end of this Christmas party, we walk in stack of tickets and be like thanks here Sorry, we still get a tip, so I feel like I personally, on the run very family. Probably three hundred dollars well well. Well, we can get a check later. I apologize. I I but I but I humbly apologize that we spoke to say what that wasn't the worst story. One of them was when a car was parked a yellow Porsche when the

came out to it? It was gone. Oh, they were putting the keys on the top wheel, and so someone came by grab. The keys took the Porsche these. At these cards they just put the keys right on the oil, so they want you to steal it. So your stories you're, safe, okay, good. I'm glad, I'm glad because working that parking lot kept me a afloat during college, because he was good. It was Bel, like the tips were really good, and so, when significant tip I want to know you wanna Leocadia Accounting. I I get hitherto caddies got a lot yet, but I catting, because I did not like dog left right on the, No! I don't like carrying the ravine on on because it have to go over the bridge Bel. I know what I'm talking about it, but but what I didn't really like was

the seriousness that rich people take the game of golf. I felt too much pressure as a caddy like if I think something up there going to be really mad, and I take that pressure, because they were really like some, some of them nice, nice, but some them were Dick and you just did not wanna I mean these were like very wealthy. Very uh. You know privileged points of view of the membership is the Bel air. I think it used to be like a hundred in the line. That's a lot. I think it's three hundred thousand. You know three three hundred now like to, going before it was like one hundred and eighty or two hundred or something it was. We have seen, and so they that you know ever see these guys. Take that very seriously and I couldn't handle that pressure Sorry, I lost your ball, maybe don't slice. I brought a friend in once the dinner my parents would have dinner there quite often and they looked at my friend and said who brought the terrorist Oh Jesus, oh yeah, I am so yeah. He

He was bit dark yeah. I see that's awful, now, yeah yeah, it's it's that that was that was a bummer that that was a real bummer. I I I don't have many fond memories there and I also didn't really enjoy you know I was the same age as some of the kids of the of the members. And some of them. You know some of the kids were kind of like hey fuck, my car keep. It close. You know like that kind of thing, really the same age you didn't, earn this your dad just every time. I, there I hung out with the staff that was more fun or I went down to the golf course and would like run across dodging golf balls, but that would be my fun or country club. Oh, that's fun. Did you play my parents tried to get me into golf numerous times, but I couldn't do it. I just like it in the AL really hard and I didn't care where when they use it didn't have never whenever it right, you never straight really really into mean

You know I I know they were. You have late hours and hours of home video footage of him a lot of golf and riveting riveting, like all golf video golf and so so, to answer your question, how much what I make at night. So you know you'd make a you make a minimum wage salary, but it was all tips yeah. So if I worked, if so I work during the day like just a regular golf day, you know I cry walk away with like fifty or sixty bucks. Now, as a you know, not one of the heads of the parking lot, but if you would work a party was around the holidays are a lot of parties. You know like whatever birthday parties and it was a night time event of the club. You would get a base of like fifty or sixty bucks and then tips on top of that. So as a college student in the early nineties for a night of running around parking cars, you know I could make a hundred twenty hundred fifty dollars, which was pretty great yeah. You know my at that time. You know your rent is like. We have a bunch of roommates. I my rents like during a bucks a month, so my work, a couple parties. I've got my rent come.

So was a really fantastic job, even though you know I don't know if I ever felt fully comfortable there, but was it was a good job to have if it's in a hundred twenty five dollars closer to that two hundred thousand dollar membership- yeah, that's right, yeah, but it all into that. Of course, yeah. You guys get the play on any day, Monday Monday's him to get the land Mondays Mondays, but it. But oddly a lot of times I did not go back there because I didn't have to be there. Oh sure I was like. Oh you know, they're clever, don't have to be here this day, so I'm not going to go in ten to fifteen years. Guess who's going to be a member she's going to be sitting there in the lounge. Even if I had a billion dollars, I don't know if I could do it. I don't know. If I could write a three hundred thousand dollar check to go play golf. I will be there yes, you be my fourth commander and then there are other resort. If I go rival rivalries with others, like LOS Angeles,

country club and then there is what some of the other ones were. The city is Wells River. River. The country, club, there's other. But let's, let's stop talking about Gulf. Let's talk about space golf. You did Captain Kirk Play golf. How old were you was Kirk when he was captain of the enterprise not hold general health Kerr. It was like thirty, five okay to go to war, we're watching the deadly years, and he is I'm thirty. Four, I'm thirty four, but he looks like a you know: sixty five year old man, although I read that Shatner did not want to be made up as old as the others like that. That was part of his stipulation in that up, so he he. I think you know me a little bit of you go Play there he's the captain he's the star of the show. He doesn't look quite as bad. They me D Kelly, look like he was a hundred and two question. Yes, he look better now, or does he look better in deadly? You look better than you look better in total years, yeah yeah

yeah. I mean you know I I love, I love Shatner. He was rank clear in deadly years. I'll tell you that, well and even said he figured out. He was not God's gift to wrinkles, which is just get fat and you won't get wrinkled. Is that the Shatner way? But I don't know if that's true I better. He was you know he was just fighting weight back. Then they say he was thirty four. He says he was thirty. I think Shatner at the time was a year or two older Yet. This was the age like thirty years every day, something like that, but The we ate in that up- and I was like yeah work- speed can lead a queue you can May I don't know you know? I know I know you know you're so right now. I just want to see exactly how old the Shatner yeah I I'm going to say he was thirty five, because I think he was born in nineteen thirty. Well he's eighty eighty eighty one now so so just go back the two years so yeah he would have been thirty five, thirty, six thirty seven shot sixty, seven, that episode, yellow yeah, we're all great at

yeah born in thirty one, thirty, one, thirty, ok, so it was thirty six when they met so was only playing a couple years, younger yeah, I saw I believe I saw learning my last night only I w I went to the doubly screen saying Bilbo did. It is what I heard. That's what he's doing it again. I was there and then I had to leave because I'm leaving town so I had to it's boring. I did fucking go home and do laundry. I got let you watch STAR Trek guidance last night, I just I just going out with them with my son, I inject Roget and and and he's really really it stood affable lovely guy who just you know he seems like a regular guy.

It happens to be Leonard Nimoy. I I don't have it this isn't really to besmirch anybody, but it I do have a story just to to describe the difference in the two didn't leave my impression I I don't know them. I certainly you know, don't know them well at all, but for several years I was shooting stuff for one of the big convention where's creation and um. I members backstage Vegas and it's a big day level sitting back age and the day that Shatner is going to be on stage in the day that Nemo is going to be on stage and we're there to shoot interviews filming and my girlfriend, the lovely vixen who is to my left is due the interviews and Shatner Shatner. It is insane it's you're, counting down as five minutes before on stage and there's phone calls being made and just entourage this whirlwind, this hurricane of people coming in and they've got him and he's he's all worked up, he's moving around jumping around and they announced his new

and boom. He runs in from the kitchen he's on stage. He does this thing and then he's gone and that's the Shatner approach. Nimoy showed up an hour and a half ahead of time with his wife and their dog, and he just sat back there and he was chatted with us. And he was totally chill and just sort of watching the world go by, and then they call his name on stage and he sort of wanders up there and twelve year old boy in costume had been there all weekend. Long goes up to ask a question and he says: what's your name, my name is come up here James when introduce you to the audience he does this, and then he says this was in two thousand and eight leading into Two thousand nine goes hey. Look when the next STAR Trek so For me, as I want you and your family be my guest

yeah he is totally under plate, say yea, I'm gonna fuck when he got on like do you want to get the confirmation he's like no fucking yeah? I that that's good me out of here. Are you kidding me you're, shooting me right now, but that to me just sort of typifies the difference in the I heard that they're great friends and that, obviously the legacy that they've together is is it would be impossible to recreate under any other circumstance, but I Just thinking about you know how is, namely to hang out with I totally by them that he was chill and to stir a cool hi in the middle of the year in the land of the shire, comes a brave little hobbit, whom we all that Meyer. The next line, some of them, because it is, I know it was it- was a little- does lives. In Hobbit Hole and everybody knows him: Bilbo Bilbo barriers.

The wild brows rather guys, gonna on the Nerdist Album right, yeah, all of them. Everyone in the seventies that room and they were just like there was this like a recording renaissance. That's like hey! I don't pick up, MIKE, hey iron side pick up a microphone like everyone, just fucking had an album or a song I got. Did the lsd right, yeah yeah? I was having fun today. They're like what is this. I was showing somebody the Billbo thing. That is this for real and I was like yeah, you don't understand. If you were a tv star in the sixty s or seventy s, you had to make an album and if you were chatting er being But if you couldn't seeing you didn't album, and he did that sworn man and Lucy in the sky. That that was on there Lucy in the sky, with diamonds and tambourine, Mr Tim Tambourine man. It's him shouting that the Every tv star, Colombo, crocks, rocks crack everyone.

Everyone highly bomber. Anyone let her really ruined it. Out of that, but I don't. I don't know, I don't know what it was. I guess they they just. It was just that weather like by anything right but and why not yeah, let's get it was gonna hurt. This is present. Album fuckin' people will buy it. Who gives a shit? Did you did you go to a lot of the conventions as as a kid? did you hit a lot of it yeah as a kid, but I just saw everyone in costume. I just had a fun time running around. I again didn't get it so it was like Halloween for me. I just had so much fun. In fact, the best convention I ever went to was one that they had at the at Disney and I would always avoid the convention and try to go early to get on the rides. And I went through the turnstile one thousand nine hundred and eighty five and one a car what I want a cart Disney and was so pissed, because I lost getting in front of all the lines

from winning a car? I was twelve years old. I was wondering with the car. My parents eventually got it and ended up like selling it to someone. So beautiful, it was a nineteen. Eighty, six Chevrolet cavalier Galileo is a. It was right. It was red cherry where it was I know you're talking about it was horrible at entertaining to watch. You be very uncomfortable at a convention not long ago when, when a fan came up to the table and they're talking to you and your time about gracefully Whitney in there yeah yeah gracefully is greater member. She won a car and you're like oh, oh, really, yeah yeah, Disneyland. Oh, oh wow, that's really cool Wait it wasn't griesly, it was. It was made Yeah yeah it was major, Bear who won a car and you're like oh, oh yeah, interest. No, no! No! It was your son here like yeah, that's me and that was my mom in a car. That's almost like mid

burns wins the lottery, in other words like what the Fox run hates me for it yeah everyone is like out of everyone who should win. How is the? How are the fans to you or cool with you or do they feel like you, don't get it or you did you know like? Are they? How are the I I I I pretty much get it all they're all really respectful. You know the I've got the best of both worlds. I've kind of got you know a famous great episode heart one or two. I've got the best of both, because you know I've got somewhat of a famous last name, but I'm not on screen like I'm, not a celebrity people. Don't know me so at a convention, it's everyone's really kind of me, but then you go online and I was just reading something that said is ROD Roddenberry a douche

That was sorry. Sorry about that. Yeah! You started. We hang out what was the conclusion you reached after reading this, I I read through a bunch of 'em. He tried not to take these things personally and then you know a lot of them are like well listen. I never met the guy button. They make some assumptions like if he's never seen STAR Trek, then he's a huge douche and I'm like I've watched an episode or two you know, but so there are really nice to me. Okay, other some out there, who just think he should be doing STAR Trek. You know he's wasting his life. But I I'll I'll defend you here for a second. I don't think I'm wasting my life, I'm very happy. No! No! It is not not that, but about the STAR Trek thing like you the whole mission log thing. This- that this was your idea. You you're the one who came to me and came to Cannon said you know it evolved. Kind of originally. To said, I want to watch STAR Trek. What I mean is watch all of STAR Trek. No, but I went all. I want to talk about it, but I want you to

I don't want to do do work. I know you'll do much. I will write it. That remains to be seen, but this was your idea, and it was for me a genuine interest in STAR Trek. It wasn't just like, oh I I have to do this because I got to come up with something to do. You know we rarely ever talked about STAR Trek before getting into that. But then, when we started it was like yeah, you you're, involve you send us notes and you send us and you're like hey, just watch this, and I don't get this or I love this or I hate that. Let's talk about it, doing the Roddenbery STAR Trek thing in my own way: yeah absolutely your own! So you when you were when you were coming up with this when you guys came up with mission log, and you say that you basically had this archive of stuff of just letters and and things and objects, and and you you actually and it's just all stuff, that your dad is personal, dad stuff yeah. He he collected everything. In fact there there is

you know, what's amazing, is that he actually would correspond directly to fans. We've got the carbon copied paper that he would type on, and we've got these responses of all these fans that he would talk to not every call sheet, but a lot of call sheets, a lot of inner office memos. We got tons of material from know nineteen sixty six hundred and on- and this is some really valuable stuff? We just did city on the edge of forever and you know for years- had this document that I loved, because there's been this feud between this Ellison and my father is my. You know who who did the better version of that, and this was it was the second draft. I believe, and Bob was writing notes to my father. There's six plus pages we've lost like seventh and eighth, but it kind of just tears the show apart as to why it wouldn't fit the format and why it's not. He starts out by saying- and I just want to point out that the second draft that was due on this date was delivered three days late and

He goes on point by point and it's pretty harsh, but it's really harsh, but it gets funnier and funnier and he'll have a paragraph on a description of why something doesn't work. A new paragraph will just be like a sentence. Like page eight section, a made me extremely cruel to my wife and dog wow, this is just what we are that we have a lot of original draft, which is kind of cool. So you see how a story changed drastically getting to add to its final script? What was the biggest one of the, but what's it up so that people would know that started out as something please man? Well, it is the the endings and a lot of episodes have changed quite a bit. There is gosh darn it maneuver. It was a living creature, it first right. You know that it was a doozy. I'm sorry I didn't hear the machine was a living creature and that that would have totally chain

the point of view the episode doomsday Machine, great episode, but it's just about destroying the machine. It's about the the Moby Dick Story of Captain Decker fighting this machine, but one draft it was living and it's like well. Okay, now wait a minute. Now we have an obligation to to try to reason with it. Try to understand it. You just get rid of all of that and the final episode operation annihilate. I thought was really interesting. Someone with the remember the space, Amoeba Miba and one attached itself to Spock's MAC yeah, not a great episode. Okay, let's be honest here, not a great episode, but in the original draft. Not only do they destroy the planet that those people are There's like a million inhabitants of this planet that are overrun with this multi cellular creature they say: okay yeah. That is the only way to do. We have to wipe this thing out and then destroy every trace of this alien, that's kind of a donor for the ending to kill millions of people yeah, but I thought

of the many outweigh the needs of the one well, but they found a way around it in the end, the final yeah yeah so because they they're trying to make the case that these aliens are going toward other places are going to destroy other planets and Kirk kind of wrestle with it. Ken and I disagree, I think, he's really wrestling with that problem. Ken says Kirk is going to find a way out to figure it out. Yeah he's not going to destroy. The very good is he's been very lucky on many occasions. Yeah, do you have any star trek questions That's a very vague, I have all the answers. What do I have? I know you have a lot of the answers, but was there anything that you we're always curious about Matt? I think we should have you on as a gas. Oh sure, yeah talk about it, so time: slots, rain, Spock's, brain yes or space, Hippies Recipes box brain you, Wanna, coordinated, a weighty eden, I actually want to rent. I just want you on the show and just for you to go off and rant.

You do matter really funny when he's in rant mode heavy on after the new becomes you're in random, you going around. You guys see if you haven't seen yet he had a now I saw who do you how do I get on on? Let's see I'm trying to think of a good question moral struggle. Don't have continuity question, not kind of continuity problems. For me, it doesn't even have to be from tos yeah. I know I know. Listen, I'm racking my brain here. Why why enterprise Who is Wyatt Earp? Here's the messed up here is the next step. Here is there:

such a cool idea. Now it's not right now. It's not you. Don't think you don't think the first. No I don't I don't 'cause. That is just it just becomes wreck on at that point. That's all that's all! It is a thread count. I don't give a shit if you just don't throw this fucking bulshit enterprise that didn't until Rick Burma was like we need more money, and that is what I make this and then that's what happened. Yeah, I will say in Rick's defense the he wanted to wait before making enterprise. He wanted to wait like a couple of years, yeah and actually plan out the show and It was the network and the sooner the basically said. Look if you don't do it we're going get

but those who will we have to make the show now, alas, and it could have been a very, very different, even higher Levin, had I know that the United Hair about network was very pot powerful. You actually my problem. My problem with that was always that stylist pelvic Sartre was always let's look to the future and let's keep moving forward, and I felt like there were even I felt like having a pre school. The stakes change to their not being really any states, as you know, is not made terrible situation that wipes out earth or anything like that, because there dealing with Canada they ve already. Published, so I think that moving backwards and and looking at, like you, know the technology and it's just gets, I mean, and I and I did I will like it- I like it when they find the constitution clashes like that's fun, for fantasy in a big house. That's this fan what yeah, but that stuff it's just like what they mean you're, just like so your staff,

like no. I will hit the table Christopher back away. Okay, I'm sorry, you're very upset, there's just like it just becomes a thing of like well, I mean now you got us looking at this technology and then now you're telling us that this is the cool super fast technology, even though it looks like it's from the Sixty s, why don't we just leave that in the past and then move forward with the story like I feel like they should have just done something maybe set twenty years after a deep space, nine and done something there or maybe done something. Ten years after Tng happened, but it was all a hologram simulation. Wasn't it It dynamic so none of it really happened. He had the bloated Jonathan frags, I'm going, oh god, damn it. I love Jonathan, he's the delight and very kind, but really come on. He didn't fit that uniform. Let's not argue with that, don't do it just don't do it just at this point, something about we do a tour of a show called a and it's John Delancey and Hester prynne

and underway I don't know why. I just pulled this out I kind of just broke Redle. Yes, I'm ready. So I don't know I don't know, but, like I just didn't, I didn't like the idea of moving backwards. I think it should always move forward. So I think that's. The bat was the problem. That was my problem with enterprise wow, that my problem and friends was that a move back where you don't want to see the pretty cool stuff I don't want to bring with us. Well, I disagree what about it with some, but what about? What about? What about to win when with the movie with Jimmy James Grandma with the warp signature? his first first contacted about it. Does that bother you because that's sort of no it's not frequently at all. It's time travel. You know it's that that's fine, here's what you told you're still you're still going back and saying now, don't I dont mind time travel, don't bring me on a story. Adventure with these people had never existed like there's. No captain Archer, you know, don't I just don't

I didn't like it. I didn't like well, there is now I mean according to the Jj Timeline Timeline is I only Canon. Yes, try areas! This is not for me a day. It's not a spoiler! I'm just gonna save us right now there is, there is a lovely shot in the new start, your movie panting across a desk at Starfleet, where it has all of the ships, including an x ok cool cool go in there. I there I will have you heard this theory about the theory about the correct order to watch the STAR Wars movie, five thousand one hundred two three and then six, so I can have a similar thing about enterprise like I like it starting with the four season, because that is the it's prequel Lee out of all of them and it really does tie into the original series and it's so good. The thing I was invested in the character and everything got that far that it will see there. You go there. I watch season or then I went back and I say: ok now I like the characters. Now I like all this stuff, so I can forgive it. The really crappy episode the first couple of seasons. That has the weird thing

about tv now, I'm particularly track. I mean enterprise, this was on when internet message boards and an internet forums, really have some sway and really had a lot of traction. So here's all the people writing the show and fans may be discovering the show finding all this is the Cyprus outcry about horrible to show. How could they do this? I feel like I have the same thing again when next GEN, when on the there would not be a next gen, they would season one maybe season season and I would be gone. I remember feeling a great deal of distaste towards the next generation, because I have my you know, fandom of the original series. Thank you Chris Iraq. You know, but that that get the again. That back grew on me too, and I think that it really everything finds its legs in the third season. Really, I guess star treks, more everything find its legs in the fourth season, because that's when more shows up B as nine and eleven my real sort of figure out the next generation of people say three the, but I

like three as a lot of still got a lot of kinks to work out until you get toward the end of the you know. There is kind of goes back to that original question, though about it is, does STAR Trek really have that power, or is it because the fans have kind of it is kind of the selective remembering of of the really good stuff, and they kind of just forget that are pushed to the side. The the up is that weren't so good. I think there's a lot of that. You know a lot of I'd say more so in the original series, the next general. Yet I mean what do you think the first season, the next GEN were rocky yeah. You know, I remember watching that the the premier episode encounter at far point is going. Oh really, it's a jellyfish, that's what I was excited about, yeah, no and then next week the naked now really really that's the pre. It yeah it's the same episode as I saw before it. Yeah inaction was painful. The first season I enjoyed it. I did I like the first up two to

really here, we'll see that that's an episode that has a lot more watchable in hd I'll that so yeah I mean the Blu rays are unreal unreal. But I watched like ok, here's the STAR Trek episode with with a message, and it is Classic STAR Trek in that, but it's just seemingly awful it just everything other more refined, better put together. I I went back and watch all the data up, so it's caused my favorite character for sure, and it it just. Every episode felt solid, not great yeah yeah. But very solid. I've been watching. Obviously, some of these original series ones and you must watch if a fistful of Datas Data Day day to day I enjoy, he's writing to madics who wanted to take them apart and I'm like oh data, you're friends with this guy who wanted to disassemble you and take it starkly. That's nice, yeah, just original series is very blocky. For me. We just watched a few episodes where I feel like they just randomly cut some things in. Yeah somebody's child? Yes like why? Why and- and I'm not saying there aren't those episodes in next gen, but maybe

because there's so many more episodes that I feel like there's a lot more good ones. Well, there are certainly I may have been. I also grew up sorry to interrupt, but I grew up with next Jan and not the original right, so that was my first and that's how I got into STAR Trek. So maybe it's just get by. Well, yeah. I know I just I. Later in life. I don't know when I decided that I was more of an ex gen fan than I was in the original series, but, like I watch the next gen like I've, seen that I don't know how many times and then you know what happened two weeks ago, episode. I've never seen what. How is that possible? It was like they just made it for me. That was that must be. It was an. I was certain. I had terminal illness and someone had found my wish wait, which episode It was the it was from season, seven, where the enterprise gains consciousness. Oh yeah, I mean not a great, not a great episode, but I'll take it. I'm pretty sure that the course of doing mission. Log there's a lot of STAR Trek. I have not seen there's a lot.

Story lines that I know there's a lot of imagery that I know I grew up with a rich. Series as a kid in the seventies. That was STAR Trek. You only knew that cast in the next came along, and I was wildly disappointed by the pilot, but I was I was kind of there for it, but then I and I just didn't care about STAR Trek at all for a very, very long time, and I resented next GEN, because I auditioned for Wesley and some other pen had got the roll, so I hated hated hated that show for a long. It was Corey. Yes, one of the core. A jerk your I I river, I was literally a star trek. Closet is STAR Trek, fan throughout high school and actually remember this very, very vivid situation of like a My friend was over and she opened my closet door. And inside my closet door. I don't know why, but I had a generations poster in my closet door with half of card card and you like STAR Trek, and I was

yeah. I guess I do oops. I meant I was just like it awhile. Before I begin I just and I went crazy in a good day. You came out of the STAR Trek because again was a great day. Literally came out of it. S really calls that we interviewed robs zombie a number of years ago, and in that interview he brought his captain Kirk Shirt to the interview to show us that you know he was a star trek eat when he was a robber used to go to a used to go to the fan conventions in the sea these were really yeah. He would he would go. He would I remember what he was saying if it was like Boston or New York whatever, but he'd like he grew up in Massachusetts, and he would like you know that his parents dad would take him and he would he was just a little kid and they would go and- and you know- and it was it you know he described. The event is like it was a you know. Obviously very small compared

yeah today, but it really was well. I was used to go to those. I was a kid in the heyday of the creation conventions like ninety one, nine thousand two hundred and ninety three, like those that was like, and I would go into Boston and see all the conventions like that and I would buy weird video tapes of like you know you SNL with chatting Shatner on it. I something you buy from somebody like a shitty label on it. I got to say there's nothing about that. That surprised me when I look at you, of course, when I think of Rob Zombie a little bit yeah sure sure. Are you saying that 'cause match wearing a bright red shirt that says expendable on it? Where the idea is the federation logo exactly have another meeting. I think he wears his key crowd. I think rob just really hasn't come out of that closet. Yet it's possible, listen, I'm all for it. I love. I love STAR Trek When I was when I was about seven, when the motion came out a member, they it is so they had the blue long, sleeve, pajama, tight, yet uniforms fit within Kirk. In that short sleeve white yeah get that school and Shatner's looking good, and you can wear that. I had that likes seven year old John had that shirt and I remember wearing it

a lot and then the one day I got made fun of its like it went into the drawer and never saw the light of day again six and then I went into the STAR Trek Closet right for a number of years. For decades I in sixth grade I should have to a Halloween party with all my friends and I was dressed to Scotty like that's. That's what I like I like made like a STAR trek insignia with like out of cardboard and covered with it with tinfoil, like I made it myself right right and I was the coolest to myself and Elsa, but you know I mean it's just it's it's really for me. It's just been a thing. That's just like there's been this nice constant in my life since I was a child, it's just always been it's always it's always there. You know well, no matter, what's happening in life. I can always watch captain regard Do something that Kirk wouldn't do and they're making new episodes for you. Yes, I know it was very exciting. A new episode, it's like when I found this new episodes of Fraser on Netflix Netflix is great. How is this possible cause and effect is a good episode. Kelsey grammar in that, as the captain of the Boseman

There are some episodes of shows where you've I I think they I don't know. Sometimes episodes of things get buried and even no matter how much you think, like I've, seen every episode of this thing some have I always miss something is: is I mean your life will eventually you're not going to be around I'm not going to watch even game. How do you say it's ten episodes of season, whatever you're not going to just probably going to be a weekend where you forget to watch it or something like that and then twenty years down, the road you'll find it again yeah. That's what you have to look forward to this beautiful. This was a beautiful yes really held so mission. Log mission are currently we're running running on the nurse network, which is I tunes or the nervous website. Anderson come and and you're just ve, just the the second season, yeah we're we're about eight episodes into the sex, season somewhere around there. So we've got about thirteen years to go yeah. Really I pose this question to our listeners, said: ok, we're done with

regional series. Will do the animated series cause it's rad all I I'm right yes, but you have to you have to have like weird. Oh my god, that's the animated STAR Trek series I fuck it was that Lou Scheimer yeah. It was also made filmation stuff, it's so great, so just a product of that period, just those If upper body the you know the cheap, the cheap animations, like animation, is supposed to be. Seventeen frames a second I think, and there's twelve in their shows about three. Yes well then I think it should. I think it's yes, the film and animation. Is it yeah yeah I mean like re, animation is like twenty four frames per se. Yeah tell us innovation at twelve and then you would shoot yeah and then so to do it cheaper. They would just whole on a frame. I others like me. No other pieces would well we'll just keep this part static and just

If you get a lot of James, doing voices all over that yeah, he has a throat and if you're, watching old animation- and you notice that someone like a piece of their body is shaded different than another piece. That's literally the sell layers like you can't stack more than two or three cell layers on top of each other, because I do the the bottom sell get dark because because they just know they create the they right, but I fucking love that too. Well, so we're going to do the animated we may double up. We may do like a couple episodes a week or a couple of animated episodes per podcast, We do some of the movies, I'm thinking we do some of the movies next GEN Ds, nine Voyager Enterprise, you should go chronologically as far as like date is gone. That's the hard part, because you have so much overlap when you get into next GEN Ds, nine in the movies, but I mean it's pretty easy to find the original air date and if you nothing like from season fanaticism, one of the ESA in season five of of Tng. I

So what do we? We actually have listeners who sent us spread sheets of every date of the order, everything, so we could do it, but we we got. I don't think I'm gonna break up a season, though yeah. If they would straight through next gen and then straight through DS, yeah. Well, we can. We can talk about that yeah, we'll figure it out. Yeah so we're in it for the long haul. It'll take us about thirteen years, and I haven't told you the plan. The plan is fourteen years and we're done, oh god, what no we're gonna start again. Your point of view will be different. Then right, right I'll, be the well. You might have another series on your hands. Oh I'm not sure. I'm not gonna have these guys on it. You kidding me, I'm gonna be bored to death of them after Ten years me too, is there anything. Is there anything being planned, a surprise that is there anything I mean? Do they? Do they come to the right and bury it now? No, no, my my father that you know basically like like anyone else in Hollywood, sort of sold those rights in the sixties when he, when he got the the deal to do star, Trek yeah, and so he retains some critical.

Always alive, but unfortunately he passed away that all went with him. So so they don't come to us. Jj's team team was very nice, sort of you know, come to us and sort of asked for our blessing for the last movie, and that was very nice of them, because I've been sort of the first I'm anyone had ever done that. Well, so they they've been they've, been good to us of any podcast that Jonah wasn't here for, yeah. This was probably the one that made the most sense for him to not be here. And then he gets married and takes the honeymoon he gets hipster sick. We are you guys, thank you, John and ROD and Matt Meyer and everyone else in the room. It is good to see you, pilots on the floor and Katy and we're gonna get out of this. Box or in the meltdown. You get some air sure yeah thanks us. In the middle of the earth in the land of the shares a strive, little happen to. We all admire the budget.

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