Well when the news- but I guess the before nineteen for Nineteen- got an episode. Well, that's a that's a take on an old classic. We joke Chris for nineteen got a minute alone. I don't know anything about your crazy drug, something so it's like. You know I used to do this. I want to make a bumper sticker. That said, hey it's four! Twenty one got a time machine, it's good that you didn't do that yeah for us, but for those idiots stone but wait? What are you got it on this donor, the boozers in the snow please do not get along Chris. They don't no you're mad at the stoners no centuries past. There was a time when they all lived happily, but until one guy got the two mellow and the other two aggressive and condescending, and then they never spoke again. Hey guys. Why can't we all just hang out? Oh yeah right, you would fucking just love to do that. Wouldn't you

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go to Duckduckgo charge. We couldn't talk dog guitar yeah, but it was a lot of fun uh. I was out of my element for the first twenty minutes. As you guys, this is one of my favorite things about having about being surprised by like where the conversation goes. Is that I had heard that that was a dinosaur fanatic, and so we started talking with dinosaurs and he is legitimately like he legitimately knows dinosaurs, and so it was fun to kind of go down that path with him in Torrance. Of him that I'd, never that I never knew about. I was out of my element yeah, but I know Tranice stores, racks and Denver. The last dinosaur, that's as far as my dinosaur knowledge to do

I know little about Dino, yeah yeah, but then beyond that, so young that you done a source, but Slash has a movie right now that he's produced horror movie called nothing left to fear it's in theaters October. Fourth, an on demand October. Eighth, you know who's. In the I mean, there's a lot of people and nothing to fear and Haitians in it and and James Tupper, but Clancy Brown. It's a great love, Quincy Brown, Slash recently, because he's he's a he's, a fanatic and- and so we talked a lot about that too, but really fun episode. There is by customer for nineteen with slash

now entering nowenteringnerdist dot com, we do, our live shows downstairs and we do a little recording. So if you want him, you don't have to have them. If you don't like him. Ok, so are we talking about? I don't know we're just going to shoot the ship for awhile and then will release you back into the world. Ok, do you know a guy named Bob Morales, sculpture, guy yeah he's amazing. I've been trying to get in touch with him. He made a lot of my ship back in the in the day,

these going at one point the the ball in the sculpture people- maybe I think so- yeah yeah anyway, okay been with child yeah. You guys you guys going to destroy the deep snow adults surveyed. We just got into a reminiscing nerdy thing. What was it will because there's a guy that I used to get up, I used to buy all these dinosaurs sculptures when is guys who's very anatomically. Correct has a great imagination for doing these. Are these dinosaur panorama? Is, you know, like sometimes really big and I'd commissioned him a couple times to make some for me. So I had tons of his stuff up until we were just talking with. So I put everything in storage and then eventually us sold off. Given all charity, that's So now I have to start over, but I was just thinking you know I'm

sure he saw were a bunch of his stuff was at the auction house. What happens if I do slash would I do like is, is nothing sacred? I could put feathers on him. I'm going to say that those actually way ahead of his time. As far as all that goes like, he had already gotten into this. Ninety ninety four. Ninety five, ninety six through the end of the 90s, Where do you live? Where do you fall in the archaeopteryx? A debate? Uh, well I mean there's, there wasn't hockey object yet, but just in terms of right wing. It done. I'm not I'm not going to raise a child believer in the whole avian thing, yes, yeah. Definitely I mean it's, it's it all points to it, and it's so obvious. When you look at the you know the skeletons in and the similarities and headphones and all that, but some it's very you look at it t rexes or any of the fair pots feet and is free telling their looks. I mean if you look at a

Master Jinn be like no, no yeah, you move or worry, or any those big flightless birds, and he sees dinosaur where the pterosaurs come in their reptiles, they're, just they're, just reptiles with that they just have the webbing that they can yeah exactly they. They that they have for on them. Oh wow, who have for a move more akin to bats yeah, the idea of of of rethinking dinosaur, as as as having yeah as as having for feathers instead just the way that warm cuddly ma'am. Yes, I don't. I don't see it like that. Japan, Connelly adorably humans and I feel that in this one the house of they just want a hug, and so many forgot, even when you're talking about I'm sorry, those yeah, yeah you're right you're influence on because that's what happened? Well, documentaries. Did you guys want to know the dinosaurs definitely revolted in that? Nobody wants. You know what the big thing that's going on right right now is all these about the Vance Evangelical

and then this or bones were buried all over. You know. Well did the dinosaurs lived alongside humans and they were actually on the ark, but they were just babies, and then I see them talking to groups of five hundred to one thousand people. About this book, you know that the the dinosaurs and he was big venture, the one near palm springs or back up on the yeah yeah, the brown source it was used to just be the gift shop, is now like. It's creationism musing Yes, you can get coloring books with Jesus writing a brontosaurus hall, but that's the whole move. Do you have any dreams? Yes, I'm all alone a rolling, a big down in a snake, wearing a vest like that at the keys, the exact line from that movie for hits has for the Alamo God dammit. Well, the I guess. The creation museum in Kentucky is that, where it is, there is a creation museum somewhere in

I think there there are like kids with dynamite entered as a free man that closely, I just happen to be channel surfing. I watch this guy. This is a couple years ago and saw this guy talking about dinosaurs living alongside people and how this fact and blah blah and- and then I've seen a lot since then, but I remember just being stoned like you know you you're channel surfing, usually I by that guy yeah, but then all of a sudden, for some reason something about dinosaur and I stopped- and I listen to this whole sermon about the reality of dinosaurs and people living together. Did you have it the science behind it or did you just say I mean there's the whole thing is is The world is only been here for a certain amount of time. Right and people have always populated it. They refuse to believe in anything and what is the dinosaurs one hundred percent? So they have to analysis because before they discounted there, they discounted so existing at all, but now that they've had to accept the dinosaurs existed. He said oh well, yeah, but those lived with people

get around. I had a bit that I was trying to make work for my comedy special last year and I never. I guess I thought it was such a great concept and but the audience reminded me that if they did not agree, but the idea was that when you look at the history of religion and science, that religion is constantly had to ebbets definitions to accommodate for science, but you've never seen the reverse happen because that you would never turn on the discovery channel. This was a great case. That was exactly that. You wouldn't turn on discovery channel and go well. We used to think that the sun was this large plasma ball at the middle of our solar system. Now we know it's just an angry chariot of fire horse.

You know like it. If they never, they never have the other way like never been like you're right. I'm sorry, so are you guys yeah you're, right, you're, absolutely right, yeah! Well, as you know, science is is a is a very you know. Black and white science is a you know. Everything has to be proven there. Isn't they don't believe in anything? Obviously, if it's not proven sure- and so you know they- they have to do all their homework and they're very, very serious about what they do and making sure that anything that they discover has to be proven. You know it has to be recording sp names and all kinds of that goes along with everything that you know scientifically fact right, so it's really hard to to to for them to missing yeah yeah exactly well. I remember we don't believe. Eighty different science is, on the same day, yeah eight hundred of them going waiting for the guy to fall off his pedestal in on her, but that's in effect, it's that constant effect, constant search for a new truth, as opposed to the constant retaining of of an old the protection and the protection of an old dress. Yeah we had their Kris Jenner.

On the podcast awhile back and he's a big dinosaur, but he is a dinosaur relaxed about all the time yeah he he texted you from our podcasts as you're done is our quest because he was like slash is a huge dinosaur going like well, that's only in in in in my profession I only have he's pretty I think the only real, serious dino geek out there that I know of you know so yeah. We text like I said in photos with nobody else appreciates my dino stuff. So yeah. You know I talked to when you find your friend. I tried to bring my kids into it and they're, like you know, the Lakers are playing Are they playing? Weird orders would be greater if there's a team of velociraptors all around, but I always I am fascinated by dino Science in from the standpoint of that they can find like a chip of a fee.

And they go well, can identify completely identify it and it can absolutely identify if I have a friend who is a professor in Canada and she I'm trying to remember the Tyrrell Museum, as I met her there and she- and I text a lot because she's one of those people that can look at a piece femur ago. This is this dinosaur now, and it's really amazing, because you know it's very easy to go. What the hell you talking about. How can you identify an entire animal with this with this one piece of bone, but there so obsessed, you know they get, they really have. They have okay in the in the Tyrell Museum, which is and it's an outside of Toronto anyway, drawing a blank. So they have drawer prison drawers and drawers and drawers of bonds that have been discovered over? You know the last. Almost

maybe not a hundred years? But like eighty years or something like that and some of it is, I did most of its identified, the stuff that isn't or just these little pieces that haven't really name yet, but I mean they have to memorize and know these pieces of bone inside and out, and a lot of recent discoveries are bones that have been laying around for years and years that were missed. Star wars or weren't categorized yet at all, and then they find a skeleton. That's missing a piece, and somebody goes hey. Remember that piece oshit one hundred years ago, and next thing- you know that all of sudden identified in new species. So it's a puzzle, just some giant animals, a really wacky? What is your

What is your favorite dinosaur? Do you have it? Can you pick a favorite tennis or I I can't really I mean I. I love a lot of the the the small rafter dinosaurs before we most of us knew it of LAS rafter was there was a Deinonychus and I always like that. One which is just a bigger rafter right, but most of the theropod dinosaur, is, I think, the the and I also like, predatory birds as well. So right, you know they. They sort- and I like this, top sedans and I, like some of the free dinosaurs like to match your don yeah kind of like thirty, I don't like those giant kind of blobby or they tell you well, then I will blob in the don't: go there: okay,

But when you look at when you like someone like a proto dinosaurs, they just don't look as sculpted, yet at least the way that they're depicted with and they have the splayed out yeah. They have displayed on a blizzard. That's right. I someone interesting story that this this guy has a theory. I don't know if it's a widely accepted theory by now, because I just stop following up, but the ones I read was that this guy, I believe that trying to source Rex was essentially just a scavenger and shop corner, but I guess it was one of the corners. Great. You know he I mean he's out he's very he. He sees things his way and I need in these are very right. I mean he's done. A lot of he's made a lot of great discoveries alot of great theories, but he does. He has this one about the t, Rex being hey, you know just because he's big into huge t things got these great legs. You know it is just a scavenger and as far as all the other, you know paleontologists nuts, you know because they are fighting amongst themselves about how fast you could run. What about those

Liz Alarms, yeah anyway, I night- I I I appreciate Jack Horner's whole he's got a visual he's got a we. You know that he describes how the t Rex, probably looked, which is all bloody and stinky and like his face, is orange big rights. Just constantly scavenging and I've I've, I feel very much that the T Rex was an opportunist myself, but I don't doubt that it could kill on its own. I sure I think it was just it. It went after everything probably tried not to work too hard. You know, but but when, after any kind of opportunity, you know injured animals, I don't know anything that just happen to be stupid enough to run directly in front of them. Well, because I I think the other part of his theory might have been something along. The lines of that is that if it fell over that it's kind of yeah yeah that how does it then? Almost up all all the big dinosaurs are in that category really,

Think about it! No, I guess if any of them fall over, as you know that the father of the plot of his false okay, I'm coming with the chances of getting a hundred foot long dinosaur to right itself working group, there was a lot of staying up right. Well, I guess yeah! Well, the KKK Groose lie on their side, ads yeah, but I mean they can put themselves down on their sides. You know right, I'm sure t Rex could lay itself down as well, but if it fell forward, I like the romantic idea of a dinosaur just laying itself down by off by a by

fire alarm, strict hello, saying scavenged, all this whole wonderful brontosaurus is it all. Is it it must be interesting for you with people I mean because now with social media and the fact that you can talking connect direct more directly to your fans that I'm sure, but you are not surprised to find that you're a dinosaur fanatic, but I guess in the early days what it when you first kind of became famous if you started talking to assign this is what I find is about dinosaurs of like what the happening right now. What do they do? Free people out there I mean, like you know in the in I, I go frequent museums and stuff and I always probably looked out of place. Walking around the Berlin, the Berlin Natural History museum? But I would just do it. I go every country I've got to go to the respective natural History museum, but I started seeking a lot of these guys out in the nineties like Jack, Horner, Jack Baker and a Robert Bacher, sorry, and and the

from Canada, whose name Chris Something or other that from Torrell Museum, and they would pop up and then be like. What's this and I would know what I was talking about and we have these conversations, but at the same time, there's always that look in in in their I like you're, so up rock star he's talking to me about the you try it like. Did you use like when you're touring around the world? Did you like like relish for like an off day, just to have time? That would be a pretty much my only destination. You know, like the travel, all these different countries, I'm not much of a taurus, and I would like to stay in the hotel bar. But if there is a museum that I would get up and go so well, I really love the Natural History Museum in London for the Darwin exhibit there are six seven is sickening museum run one of the one of the classics, one of the great museums you stand there wow, because it's all soul. Do you own any dinosaur bones to I? I do you own like a skeleton. No, I don't own a skeleton or anything. I have some bits and pieces. I've had over the years and stuff

people give me, but this all small yeah yeah, I'm not I'm not the kind of like another kind of collector. That's gonna go drop a bunch of money on a you know like. I have nothing to prove. There is something, though, that's about to be auctioned off, which it Is a young t? Rex fighting triceratops and it's been on earth and it's being auctioned in there. It's like nine million dollars and I try to figure out who's gonna buy and hopefully a museum by it. But it's a lot of money. Ninety nine million dollars is a lot of money. For you know, it's a government run yeah government owned institution to pay for, and so everybody is, you know, I'm

the needle is trying to figure out if there's some private collector, that has absolutely no some rich guy could buy. It has absolutely no real appreciative, really have like Justin Bieber, but sort of not having pictures of him on the back yeah and put like at shirt on it. Yeah exactly the same thing that these answers: would've been Bieber fans, T Rex, taking selfies believers, we've been believers, just like Anne Frank. He just write Selena forever on the ribs like we're doing well but like the hope is that maybe a private person would like with that amount of disposable money, would buy it and donate donate it to a well we'll see what happens so. There's a lot of people just sort of like holding their breath to see how that turns out.

Dinosaurs, a lot of go head to head. No, I'm not! As you see, you know the story about sue right, the the Rex, the Rex, and yet you that was found that was discovered by a private Rk, are paleontologists it amateur with yeah a girl and her team, and they understood whole thing and then the guy Men came to posted this club. This beyond belongs to. I don't know if it was Montana or Wyoming or whatever it was, and so they came in. There was a big fight over the same you're talking about the one of the biggest t rexes ever found, if not the biggest of them and the most complete skeleton. So isn't lot of crates hand, and then they put it in storage of it. While they battle this thing out legally and then finally went up for auction in the New York Museum bought for the long and short of it. That's where the state comes into like oh yeah. We left this here thanks for thanks for thanks for this application that we're going to come back to get this, but it looks like I got out just think it my

is that my alot of what people understood about dinosaurs came from an advertising that a friend my best friend and I had written a song years ago, called american dinosaurs, and it was all about. Like you know, Patriot, it was a fake, jingoistic Toby, Keith style song about like the dinosaurs died, so we could have oil. Now we knew that dinosaurs did not become oil, that that was a myth was propagated by I think the so compares like one of the oil companies that I know that I know the minute. I don't know who yeah it was. Some type of it was a petroleum company that propagated the math and that not that you know fossil fuels. Are things like you know, fermented into composed by plant matter right that dinosaurs, just some people from decades, just thought dinosaur, just like they just melted because they hold it fossil fuel. They called him last year but yeah. That's. Why that's why? Oh fossils? There must be oil, but fortunately, now at least a lot of people understand that Taranis is I'm sorry! I was listening to him. That's that's the name of another species of t rex that

is a smaller one and that they're not sure if it's the baby T Rex or if its its own species, that's what's fighting with a dresser tops either. I just had to say that there has there, how you slash there has to be a museum somewhere that has a slash wingan, it's also, no God. They don't like to see me running around there just doesn't fit the model, but that's exactly why that's exactly why it works. I mean, like you know you could bring in a generation of young fans that wouldn't necessarily think they should go into museum. They go well things that dinosaurs are cool. So it's ok to like dynasty. I don't think dinosaurs need any help for me to get the young fans well at least, but you look fancy enough to be in a museum. You wear a top hat most of the time It's a fancy, man, that's what millionaires do their best, but it did. I I I I have you know for a long time when I'm on the road to I I did like going to museums until but didn't you find like with your schedule you for the kind of the same as a comic schedule or you go up. I only have to really you know work at night. So my

days will be open, but they're not gonna. Do the rest. No, you have to have sleep it off, yeah, yeah yeah. I can't I can't even be bothered trying to get up in the morning before all that other stuff starts just id sneak out to the museum. Real quick have a gander and then pop back in those Now I see I relate slash of the day off. I was helping scientists sort of dinosaurs. I don't really know really. There was a reason, a proactive enough, that what is the what what is in in your mind, if someone were going to go to the best dinosaur museum in the United States, what we're with well, I was- I was in New York, Museum Chicago field. Museum are great, you know and with all fairness, the LA museum which used to be the worst prehistoric,

monument. You are not a piece or minor a display of anything. You know dinosaur. They just did a whole remodeling thing and brought in all this new stuff, and it's amazing announced one of the coolest museums I've been to. I do remember getting literature from the mattress museum about like we're. You know we're thing more ever putting together a source. Tony had like a dino dry, it's really gorgeous what they did am. I am because I hated that museum and I live here, and I was like that so disappointed that I couldn't just pop down the street and go visit, a great museum in LOS Angeles, so They did all that, and so it's great, but there's a lot in New York is one of my favorites and I said Chicago Pittsburgh has a great museum. I know I'm leaving I'm leaving one of them out, but the right is so far my favorite natural History Museum, a route you know in the vicinity of United States is that Tyrell Museum account it's nothing, but dinosaurs is that is that your favorite one in the world, I wouldn't say it's very new and I sort of like the old funkiness.

Some of the old european museums. There I mean the US mission, the Berlin Museum earlier and it's it's. It has a herd of of iguanodon. Is that the way? that they saw them back then, which was standing on all on two legs, but but I think it was with their completely erect with their tails dragging thing so there's a whole herd of mall standing like that. It's a great it's a it's a it's a great Eight men too. You know the early days, early discoveries, yeah yeah, pretty cool okay. So when you you were, I didn't realize this about. You were you were British Board yeah so, but you didn't you move to the states when you're a kid. I was like six yeah, but I mean I I you know I used to go to Crystal Palace when I was a kid because I was soon as I was as soon as I can remember. I was totally into dinosaurs, snakes, horror, movies. All that stuff isn't like, as far back as I can remember, and my dad used to take me to Crystal Palace, which is where, in the victorian era, when we first very first discovered design,

dinosaurs sort of put into yet putting them together. We thought they were all just big four legged lizards and they have actual a full scale models in this park with for alleged all kinds of stuff in water and things the water and it's been standing there for the last. You know I got a hundred years while we're we with dinosaur, Others do we know or do they are they just assuming that they were they've, been actually been able to get pigment off of feathers and limited amount of pick him, but it's real yeah. That's a recent discovery. Button and they've got they've had a lot of your skin and mummified dinosaurs, but they haven't been able to figure out the colors. They just don't know yet so so. For now the default color is just greenish. Well, I just think you know it's always relative to the environment that they were, and you know, because you look at most animals a sort of a day to the environment there and currently so since they can always figure out. Well, this one lived in us you this used to be a swamp and via then, if it was it in a while,

other based animals and it might have been you know, one of four or five different sort of various. But it's really still. It is up to the imagination, I think, that's part of the magic of the whole thing is yeah really knowing that is kind of I mean, and because we take things for granted, because we take knowledge for granted now, because you know what the internet and the you kind of go someone's got a no rights in the world one. If you look on Google, you pretty much says the same. This is the exact same. But you did. You come to LOS Angeles first when the r family lives in law. Okay, all right! Where did you go to high school? I went well high school. I went to a couple of few different I went to Hollywood Fairfax and Beverly Hills, Ohio, wow and then I left Beverly Hills, high and 11th grade. By that time I was,

continuation, so I was really only in it to smoke cigarettes. I work full time only with the school like a couple hours a day. We only work at your own pace, yeah and and estimates the time looking out the window, smoking cigarettes at the kids in the real school anyway, but yeah I went to a few. I know it's a few different junior highs, but I I was basically raised in the sort of Laurel Canyon and then to Haney and sunset. Oh wow. I I've been here since eighty eight and and it's just amazing to me to see where you from I was born in Kentucky, and I grew up in Tennessee

my family moved a lot. I was, I moved. I've lived all over the other races, talking, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the derby and, of course, the seen together. Well, my to my parents, best friends when we lived in the oval were brewer or horse breeders, and so they had this horse farm and we go back and visit and for some reason, the time I was like it's so much fun to get up at four am and shovel stables like as a kid. I thought that was amazing but yeah. This is a man out like this. Smell of this sounds really weird, but the smell of manure is like, oddly calming to me, yeah, that's smart, we'll have that yeah. I can say this, though, in Kentucky the after parties for those Kentucky Derby is some of the best part is really it starts early with the mint juleps, and is it really worth it? I mean there's some parties all over town this, but it's, but it's also funny because a lot of the people are draw. Our dear are derby dressed, so it's like they have these sort of like the codes than these.

But they're, just fucking tanked, the other tank in the women. You can say it's, ok, very polite, that's very polite of you, so you grew up with just even since I've been here in eighty eight, just watching LOS Angeles, I mean so much of greater LOS Angeles is so inhabitable now, and I remember it I was like oh yeah. You want to go this far e, so you don't want to hear you don't want to go into echo part like it's all. I don't know LOS Angeles has become really inhabitable, but even as large as it is kind of like what you said. I feel like. There was not a lot of cultural things here, the is more of an in now yeah the as far as got some back story. I like not much really to museums Give me famous: ok, it's going to look at the history. I mean it was a desert until like one thousand nine hundred and nineteen thirty nine, when they had to make it farmable did you know it doesn't have a lot of history. What's like Burbank, the guy who, like founded the town of Burbank, his name is Dave Burbank yeah,

This is the most cars and it was named after Tarzan, the boring stories yeah it's Adele Johnny Weissmueller left. They went, I guess when they shot that I forgot which verse Anna Tarzan? It was with who the actor was I I know who it is. I can't think of his name is anyways real, the only one that I can remember the name of well now, there's another one, the famous real famous actor us stand. Tarzan, I don't know

Anyway. We have that on the of but yeah the the yeah, because I lived in Tarzana for a year. Did you really- and I found that out- this is just one day after me, stars in it, but the thing about LA is that is that it's a got a short history, but it's very, very colorful. Yes, it is yeah I mean. Can you met a census? Striptease? Is that movie? I haven't seen it yet there since a surfer. No, this new one! That's a documentary on the history of the sunset Strip! Osha, if you look in books like when I was a kid that so many changes from when I first moved here up until you know so now, like I have vivid memories of of all these things that aren't there anymore and prior to that there is a whole. You know a hold. You know history. That's very sort of the US celebrates or yeah, but you got to live the sunset strip missed dose. It was a. It was a. I have to say that that from when I first moved here, it was pretty much bigger than life. It was so vibrant. I mean it's

it's still cool now, but I mean it was so creative and it was so explosive, but it wasn't nice like it is now now it's booty key is still sore. Oh. Well yeah. I mean I mean it's not Strip Mall, nice yeah. You know which is like it was. It was very artsy, yeah 'cause I mean was it that 'cause, like I watched that there's a document and David Geffen in talks about like starting the offices for his his label, like my dad worked for then really in that in that it in the in the Geffen Roberts yeah, as you did, was it ' designer Richard Edit design. I started first working with David when he was doing album covers, for what was the label called? It wasn't. Chrysalis know know, know definition, but before that before he had a fact, I can't believe I'm forgetting, but like Joni Mitchell, yeah and Jackson, Browne yeah from people are so nice, and so my dad did those album covers. So I was raised into that scene, which was a bit like which was the spillover from the Laurel Canyon kinda it it is. They all live there.

Yeah! I have is included, they all live there. So, like we all lived in this community, and so it was very much very much like more than is seen as a very communal kind of thing, the whole sort of like from Sun from Santa Monica up to a moment from Joe Heaney. That's where the samples are up there too. Still they lived on the same street, really yeah. Well, that's really cool yeah! It was a corner of look out the current corner of look on one early, yeah yeah those are really or that Donald Lowe Cannon and look out. That's that's the corner, yeah! Well, the construction's been going on for years and years years. That was the original south. He always helps ones. Yeah I used to beef totally fascinated with the animal three and they have these ones, which they don't have round. They have someone's in in lakes and in England yeah, but they don't have them here and size small, very funny. For the first time, I've I've only been to the Playboy Mansion like twice and then I was like well. I need to come here ever again, but the first time I went was a I

no, it just felt it just doesn't feel like it. Justin feel it's definitely a my scene. He's allergic to to some of the time is never in the you know the I don't know what happened. Is they make my dick impenetrable come on guys what you did hit? I did us, no, you missed it, that's better, but I was so fascinated by his monkey cages because you have these little monkey cages there and then you would hand them grapes and this is these tiny little hominid hands would just tear it just appealed the great. So that was a turn off for you yeah. I was here you. Don't do well to zoo I'd, be like spit it out. Binky, back in asylum records. That's right, yeah asylum records hey, I'm sorry! I don't know no, it's important that we talk about your mom he's your total suggest. It's not important talk about these amazing trees. Your next record monkey issues, hello, I'm a monkey suit ruin. My little monkeys ruin my section of it's really funny because I, like the turn, it was like we'll talk about dinosaurs of twenty minutes. Your monkey

no monkey lizard fine, but we're not talking about monkeys but that whole period of and then just sort of what it became. Did you did you see the commercialism happening or was it the same? I mean like every generation goes to the same thing: oh somethings, indian cool and then all the sudden it becomes very, very commercial. Well, I think I recognize. Yeah, that's a that's a good subject! You'd like for me: it's it's funny. I think it's just the evolution of kids because we know you're born into an era. There's certain things about that error that you don't necessarily like and there's no, I'm sure that there's no one explained it to me or just something I innately fell and for me, the commercialism of the ideal of the sex of the sixties was something that bothered me. You know I think it became

very sort of like everybody's, a hippie kind of thing, yeah and too much peace and love in many flowers and all that kind of stuff after awhile just seems like there's aspects of it that I loved. But then there was this sort of yeah, very commercial aspect of it that you sold. That was like take him off and then it you know and then in the early 70s and all that kind of stuff I mean that's when the That's what the 70s was a commercial version. And you know, and and and sort of like you know, just taking advantage of everything and everybody getting. You know the whole free sex thing you just became like well, let's do it for money. Well this for free, a free concert turned into the you know the Big Epic stadium or or writing a rock thing, and so on and so forth, but I mean the the thing about that. I love about all like the six seasons. You know what I know of the sixties, for I was only born in the half with sixty five, so I only

I caught the tail end of it was the it, but the sixties and seventies and eighties at least. There was something happening right, or at least around here you know there was like there was different scenes going on during the 80s in the 70s. There was all different kinds of mishmash of of musical and artistic stuff going on so exciting. There is no scene in LA right now: yeah there's nonexistent yeah, at least at least from what I'm used to. Yeah I mean there's always going to be the real small subset of scenes. There's always like you know like this is like our own people at a party yeah, like, among other things like this yeah I can. I want to be able to, like. I remember like when, in like the early thousands in la where it's like. There was a bunch of kind of indie rock email, kids that just started making electronic music in fuqing and doing cocaine, and that seemed like it was like all of a sudden. Everybody was doing. This is sort of like with the dj scene now, but it's not it's not

Movement is just a fad, it's very very having itself. It is all relative. It's also it's all influenced by something prior to that. You know and it sort of evolves, but it doesn't become like this big. You know. The the the the scene here in the seventies was was definitely like. Earth moving yeah. Well, do you think it's because everybody like it Wasn'T- it is needed in the late yeah, its needs? It's an issue. That's it's the sort of it's the Nisha firing of our culture and that everyone can have their very, very, very specific needs met, and so there's not really a reason on a larger because it Yeah laptops, relevant bucking faces in our phones. We don't wait till the virtual thing comes out. You know anybody, not not it's. No good baby was because you know headgear You know it's like you back, then there was only a couple. Radio stations listen to so like if-

asian in LA is playing the same. I'm like bands over and over again everybody in the city is going to be into the Evans. Gonna be influenced by the same stuff as oppose now or like you know the Fred if everyone just listen to what they want. Well, that's a problem. Is it la? Is too big? It's so big that the lowest common denominator is not that I don't think of LA radio is oh well, they radio, that's where it's happening. I haven't really listened to radio. There was a period there when that was actually the case. Yeah when Caillou s in early stages, Caillou, SK, meaty, and that there was definitely sort of an LA radio thing, but it's all. Basically everything is

invite up by the by the court. What would you guys when you guys started? Did you did you? Was it really just well, I just want to play music and I don't give a or did you have a plan I mean did, were you? Was there any sort of method to it or non? And I, when I, when I see a being I was, I was racing Bmx and listening to a lot of music and obviously exposed to a lot of music through my parents and and and all that, but I just happen to pick up the guitar, because my best I had one and he denied a bang on and I was like well that's cool and I was always fascinated by like going to see Linda Ronstadt, it's true door and they're setting up the gear. You know and like stop use, it just get my attention and and then obviously, when they played or going to sessions and stuff like that, so I always had a thing for what musicians did, but I never aspired actually be one and

when I was yeah, I remember exactly as I could. I was just before my birthday when I was fourteen and in the summertime and Steve Adler had this guitar and- and I was at that school- I want to do that. It was totally in this. Didn't was influenced by raging floods, upland parties- or you know, Keith Richards. At that time it wasn't about all that, and so I picked it up and it's just that again. Within a twenty four hour period, I went from being a bike semi pro bike, racer to totally amateur guitar player, and that's all I did in my hand that was it and what year is this around? It's like late seventies right, let's see, nineteen eighty I would've been fifteen to seventy nine. Okay. Well! Well, that's really interesting because we're in order. Yes, I member that sort of early Bmx movement work out really because I had I had the early stages, like second generate with Judge Thompson yeah we just sort of it was just so I'm gonna remember seeing like those you like this literally just like dirt. It was just dirt and these

kind of rugged bikes right. Well, I mean we, we, you know and I'd I'd like to pride hers pride myself in the game that I used to ride with which were all hell raisers, but we we were into You know quality bikes, so we just didn't have any money, and we only raced on the weekend. Some of us had jobs because we were ranged in age from like seventeen down, so I was like the youngest one, so I was fourteen or one thousand seven hundred and thirteen fourteen and we spent the rest of the week terrorizing literally terrorizing, all of West Hollywood and unfair 'cause. It's like getting really bad getting chased by the cops all the time and just bad news racing over Laurel Canyon. During peak hours, plenty of us right, but any so we would pick up equipment here,

and it is really just switched over to guitar- and I was completely immersed in guitar and the only reason I use my bike at that time was to get from point a to point B is where well, like, I guess, being a bmx guy being a tar players like it when you first that, I think, is on the same set up that you can break your hands when you're riding Bmx. I know you don't think about that. I just think it only for on right now I still have bikes and every time I get online, you know it's like you know. I start jumping on the stuff. You know you are going to naturally at some point, you're going to fall right, so you're seeing the ground you gotta get back up and you're. Like God, I got a tour in two weeks

That would be a painful phone call to make. I broke my collarbone trying to Bunny hop over one of those parking islands in a grocery store parking lot. Yeah my back tire caught, and I just plucking slid on my shoulder, not not good time, so I used to have a bike out on the road with guns back in the early days, I think we were opening like during the whole opening period. You know like we're, hoping for the call and Alice Cooper and Mtley Cre, and I had a bike right and then we are opening for Aerosmith and I used to take my bike I would jump off the stage and dance and all this crazy stuff, usually with a bottle of vodka yeah and the other half and then one day I got up and I came to got to the venue- went to go, get my bike and it just wasn't there and it just disappeared completely like I did no one said anything about OZ, and I I you

Of course, I discovered later manuals insurance, Aerosmith guys in Aerosmith guys were like look at this. This guy he's going to he's going to bite it and then he's going to cost us a lot of money. So they took it not not Aerosmith themselves I, like TIM Collins in Center Management Steven Tyler's, throwing your bike into a pit while singing walk this way at the same time, right with it was that when you refers to did you did you realize that the sound that you guys had that you are creating this kind of innovative thing or was influenced by Bmx. All of the early songs were about dirt bikes. Did you do with the remaining concept of that at the time? Or was it just like gig to gig you're just trying to get through it? Well, I'm not sure exactly what your stance

it was all the songs influenced by no I'm saying like at the time when you're touring with Aerosmith. You already are you thinking that there's this grander thing that's happening at that point or you like. Now we're just playing because it's funny well you're, aware that you know you're you're, sort of you're growing on that the you know years even gone from playing this size venue to this size venue and we come you come on stage. People actually know who you are yeah, there's a point there where they didn't have any clue who you are and why are you taking up space precious enerji wasting our time and then eventually it starts to catch on, and it was at that during that Aerosmith run where it was really peaking way beyond what is conscious of you know. All I knew is we get out there. People actually knew what that song with this song was, and it was a lot of fun and then it turned into something else afterwards, but I didn't know it was going there at the time where you touring a bunch before appetite came out,

that without record was out for a year and a year and a half before anybody really only it's instant to AL. While what was it? What broke the record? Ford. You know Ok, I mean it was like an mp3 file. No, I think it had a cool. It had a cool. Sort of underground kind of buzz, that that was

now slowly growing over that year period, and I think in as much as I hate to admit it. I think the thing that really broke it open, you know like made it sort of crossover- was the whole in tv series out of mind thing yeah, which I didn't see coming in, but I I I love. I always want to find out from a get the get the idea of that a guitar player has an identity and that there's a specific sound. I mean I'm in a really understand everything about music. So I think what is only a finite number of sounds that someone can have, but how? How do you find your identity in a sound and a style? And what is it that you think defines like? That's a that that that's that that's that guy! Well, like you know, I is not talk about me because I don't have any idea what goes on there, but when I, when I was first picked up the guitar, the you know, there was definitely

Even before I even knew what different guitars sounded like I identified sounds with the look of the guitar of the guy. That was planned, uhhuh right. So so you know you have your guys like Eric Clapton, who are very identifiable sonically and Jimmy page Jeff Back Keith Richards, Mick, Taylor, Bryant Brian Jones. I could start to Rick Nielsen ACDC. They all had us, I identifiable sound, and you would I mean that's really the thing most important aspect. It wasn't even technically how great they were. It's just that they moved you when they played and that you could recognize who they or just by listening to them and then you sort of like well. I want to be like that, and so you said see which one has a sound

you want to emulate and what kind of guitar today is. Secondly, you have no idea right, you know, Jimi Hendrix is one of those guys or you know, there's a sound that you can hear a mile away, yeah, and so I I think I sort of identified- I mean I'm that's looking back. I don't think I was really conscious of how it all worked in my mind at the time and I'm for that the process? This guy's cool he's got it cools, cools, songs, cool solos, and this is the guitar that he uses and that's something somehow that must work in a kind of it's kind of fortunate that this this scene sort of sprung up at the right time for you, because otherwise you could have just been a troubled kid. You know all right. Well I mean it wasn't the scenes so much, but I think is probably inevitable because of the amount of music background

I had it was just waiting to get on court. I don't think I had a. I had any aspirations to. I mean my my main ambitious ambition, I think, was to become a motocross racer, but I could never afford it right now. So you know I know I didn't really have still to this day. I don't look much within the next year, so I don't know what I'm doing. But in that time, were you like going to see a lot of bands play like yeah? We started the band like yeah over those bands were, though I mean what is it when I hard, as a teenager, going to my own rock concert as opposed to stuff, it was like Smith, I remember going to Van Halen. You know the cheap trick, the TED Nugent, those bands that were all looking at that time, and then there was a lot of what was going on in the

scene was a little bit different. You had you know, as black flag was playing x was plain fear, which was still is one of my favorite band yeah. All time here see the footage of them on SNL on SNL yeah, I don't know yeah Excel John Belushi leave him a huge fan yeah. Maybe I have seen it yeah, it's like I remember, leaving being they they they that's not available. Like it's really hard to find. Is that kind of like they cut? They cut it out of any repeats, but John Baluchi became like a huge fan when he was looking at huge fan of fear, and I became friends with leaving the singer

and and like just like he was going to come back to host SNL after you'd left me convince Lorne, Michaels to have fear play, and so the people, the musical, is right. We can't have this, it's good. It's like a really cool stories like that. We can't have like New York, like hardcore kids and punks, like coming, to see like fear at SNL, because it'll it'll mess with the rest of it, and it would just be like a too crazy and so like they heard about the DC scene at the time, which was like minor threat and rest spring. All these bands that were like straight as like was get these sober kids.

The study and then they'll be the audience for the fear show little trace of the probably really call that's the thing is there like? They had no idea that they would be even more crazy and and like right when they start playing. The does is like a halloween sure they pick up like all the jack letters. R C's smash images, the chaos well, the thing is: is there also oversaw their tireless yeah and they're like they're like ever ready? His alcohol is a depressant, it does yeah you you, you have. You have like that. First half an hour of full you know or to the wing down yeah, but yeah. Life here and, like I guess, the Germans around that germs, so that was like that was like the sort of the club scene and then it got into two seven thousand nine hundred and eighty, then you have Nikki's old Band London, which is pretty cool like the sort of Post Van Halen sort I'm seeing that came along. So it's all pretty exciting. What is the difference for you in that, because I I am. I also am very interested how a band stays together, because it's comics you're just yourself and you go up. You don't rely on anyone

but when you want to just play the dj yeah looking a dj, it is a lot cheaper, yeah, I started to realize that lately I don't have to bring your own records to bring a laptop on your Cerrado We don't have to go to the Linda, Rhonda runs that concert to see them put all the equipment on. So it's like there's just a guy. That's always wonder like what why do people go to concerts just to see? I guess you just go to dance. You don't really go to just watch? No, I was present DJS. I've been I've been to a lot of these, and, and especially, I went to ultrafast. Why actually played there and it was yeah. This is a massive massive festival like any of the biggest rock concerts ever been to, and, and I you know, and I'm checking it out and the people all pointed in that direction. It's not like here's a guy over here, you're, spinning some music and there's this huge pit of people just dancing and not in any particular direction. They're all facing the dj and they build these very extravagant stage, setups but there's just one guy who barely see and he's just sort of standing in raises

and I'm seeing a lot of like a production, people, roadies and whatnot that I know from my gigs. What are you doing here? It's like it's work, it's like there's, no, there's no equivalent to this, except with the exception of a couple of big rock bands, Metallica or what's going on right now, so it's like. Also, it's like that's where all the kids went. Yeah yeah, I think it's like the roadies to bring on another tie, runs on with a flash drive yeah the guy with the in that he's got. One is back yeah in that the Steve Movie about factory the twelve our party people, and he has that there's a part that they I and then I realize, like there's a bunch of people in the club everybody's like dancing but they're, all looking at a dj. As long as I can that's where the money was yeah and it's weird now they're all sort of staring in that direction. I see tour managers. I worked with before and managers all hanging around. Mostly.

Dudes and they're like well. That's where the money is then you just sort of like I was depressing and then I'm going I'm going to the different. This is Miami, so I'm going to the different hotels and these different parties and sort of just hanging out- and I got people walking up to me going. Oh man you're so from so, and so he said I was so into that. But then but then lately there hasn't been much to listen to so I'm into this now Well, if you listen to both with that was when they were. You know like at this age already around now, there's like there's nothing currently going on so yeah. So the idea of keeping a bill like when you, when you just want to play you just want a guy. We have a job. Let's just go up. We want to play. We like to play music, but then other stuff gets in the way. How do you keep it? You know like how? How do you keep a band like? How do you, what are the politics of a band like where the politics of a successful band? What did I do? Anything is different for, for

every every group I mean you know, I think the universal thing is you're. All gonna want to do it. You know it's a lot of work and it's a lot less glamorous than everybody at least what it looks like in magazines and and you got you all have to be. You have sort of common idea that you want to do this and love it and then the rest of it's really personal. It's he's been, has their own internal dynamics and you know how how they work together and all that kind of stuff. So I can give you a quick overview of how it works. Okay. Well, how did it work for we split up. Thank I know you guys. I know you guys but up, but but until then it was exactly what I said. It was just the the like minded ambition to go out there and and do our thing, and we were all basically on the same page- does a does fame and success kind of ruined people, or do you feel like they just come in with the issues they had? No, I think I think, in a lot of cases,

Damon success. Bring people around you that help you end up with a lot more people around you. Then you started with and they have different agendas. I mean, then what you initially start out with. I don't think I mean at least for me purse It was never about fame for fame sake or money for money's sake or any of that stuff. It was really purely about music Liz, but then you get these people around you there of a completely different agenda. It's it's totally financial oriented. And yet you know you have to be smart at a young age to be able to Well, you have to be able to see where those people are coming from. You know. Usually you can spot him, is the real insidious ones that just sort of you to death, and you think there are. You know trustworthy and you know in some ways they are, but a lot of ways: they're, they've, they're thinking for themselves will even at that time, because I think I think young artists now are probably much more. There are very many are much more like a whole different and met with his now. So many people have to it like a lot of people realize

so you kind of have to just take control of your own thing yeah, but now it's like well. What should I place so that we can become famous, but don't you feel like? It was like that back then too, like especially with you know like once, you know what a hair metal was pop, I'm sure a lot of bands like already there. We have a great idea. I always hated that scene. I'm sure it was. We were like in the midst of that we always hated. That's why I like every time so I used to go through in a pen to I like to shop early pictures of those guys when they're in a hair metal but they're in the glass yeah. Well I mean every I mean the speed, let's be truthful, every single music. You know like band or artist at stick well at the earliest stages were much like what was happening at the time. You look at the Beatles and they always said that yeah. If you look at the stones at

like the vehicles like the king, saying thank you and in it. So it always happens. But then you sort of evolved, your own style and you become very much yourself and and but with that, yet you know with the hair that whole here scene. You know from from my vantage point being the misfit like we were like the antithesis of all those bands. We hated him and you know most of them were there they're in it for the booze and the checks and and whatever cash they could get in some sort of notoriety notoriety. There wasn't a lot of substance musically in that scene, but then, of course, there was individual bands that were really cool here and there do you think like going to see some of those shows of like like like, like an axis of like that and then also having like at the US in a foot in the sunset strip, seem like kind of give. You like a starlet was playing on both oh really, yeah, the Starwood in the whiskey we had you had you had like you're, quiet riot and your bands,

This talk about London and exciter and couple of those other bands and then the next weekend you could have the germs plan, so it was all sort of going on. At the same time, wow did when you sort of when you sort of look back. How did you guys? How did you break up? it is a band break up? Is it done through Lori? How do you break up? Is it lawyers or you're going to Nomansland? Am I really don't talk about this stuff. It's it's only because it's become They don't talk about bigger subject and it turns out negative. I don't care still talk about. That's totally fine talk about data source, but I yeah, I don't obviously much more fascinating,

well. I mean you know right, you know I mean to put you on the spot, I'm sure you've been no, no, no comes up all the time. Well, okay, just from experience. I just on the point where you know it: it's not worth talking about. I mean my my my my my fascination of it is only from the performers side of I really do think that a group dynamic like I you know. I look at the rolling stones on like how the today like how does a band like that stay together for that many decades still have the same. How did they only together on stage? You know what I guess: there's no there's! No, unless you actually have yeah, because I mean what what you see on the surface and what goes on internally are are two different things and so, like. I know a lot of guys and and a lot of different bands, and I yeah, I sort of know what goes on in each one of these different bands. It's all simile, it's all very different, but you can't verbally express' any of it. You know from the outside. You sure somebody from the inside

has to say what don't you like, and you can even then do you live with, doesn't even cover you you're not going to get the whole picture delivers it using like when you see someone's parents are married you're like wow, well yeah, I don't do that yeah! No, I mean like when I was a kid. If someone's parents were divorced was like their parents divorce, but now it's like they're married, yeah yeah, but I mean it's it's a lot like it's a lot like a relationship like that. You know it. Imagine I don't know. If you're you don't look. I have a girlfriend, but I have a girlfriend yet mentioned, for you know three additional one three all but with, Different personalities, obviously you know I'm just trying out yeah trying to work it out together, but then add some coke and add some add some wacky idiosyncratic ideals about what life is supposed to be about and throw it all together, and you know, put it out there

It lasted a long time Alan Sing ACT. You know, I think, the only thing that you might have a a good bond between a couple of the guys that really goes deep, maybe from childhood or something and then there, but the the most universal thing that ties all together is actual passion for music, and you have that, hopefully, that chemistry where you musically are in touch with the other and that's what really hold it together. That's your head! Would you ever still? Did you ever do that thing like it, when I was in sounds like a it's like nearby bands like what it was like fight internally and then like. I would be at a show: we see some other bands like just hanging out with each other. I think he oh well we're fucking fighting yeah, I mean really when it comes down to it. The grass is never greener.

I got it all figured out, maybe it's not supposed to last. Maybe that's! What's supposed to the soul, that is supposed to be like you have a moment, and then you enjoy that moment and then you move on and create something yeah. This there's there's there's no sort of role. You know I mean this the stones blow. I mean whether who is well and I even though there's only a couple of them left but in Aerosmith is another great example in the guys. You know, there's with guys. I know really well and they're. Awesome people like each each one of them, but they they if they almost purposely with each other, all right and then they get to the point. Breaking up all the time. Somehow they managed to reel it back in just because they want to play you know, and then they play great as a unit and it's something that none of them as individuals can find elsewhere. So it brings them back. So it's really it's always about the music yeah. They don't need to. They don't need to play to make money. Point right like they're, probably pretty I mean I don't know I mean I I don't ask.

Well, no, I know like I just I'm assuming that like it's. I just do it because they want they can they can pretty much right out of the running yeah I mean they. They they will play for the love it and the stones are having a great time get being back together, even though it takes you know, it takes a lot of business to be able to get them to go okay. We need to get back together and deal with each other, but once I get up there, you know the the magic of of actually producing music is what keeps a gun. They always comes back to that yeah. He don't dig playing. If you don't, if you're you don't you know Dick plain, don't like music or just sick of the whole thing, it's really hard to come across as believe. Well, it's like when, when the police played you know as like, they were getting. I don't know how much money was was

Did I see I I saw us yeah, I saw them not live, but I saw staying a couple times and he was just bitter yeah well this in which is such a bummer, because you, you know you you think like wow, it's so the problems are so bad that they can't just say guys. I know that normally we hate each other. People like our music, we're gonna get paid. A lot of Let's just do this and that, like what I just heard that one I saw, I saw like a pictures of one at the drive in got back together to play Coachella someone like put all these pictures on this one block, together of like it down rolling their eyes. Each other during the show right, he could still there's a great movie out of called the history of the Eagles right, which is not a band that I used to pay a lot of attention to. But I was on the bus and this thing was this movie was playing and it was really

the the before the evils inception back here and in large canyon and like a couple of them were, were inside banned for for Linda Ronstadt right and always the time to go, and it's just in its just told the whole story of of how it became the eagles and who was in the band and how the dynamics work, then, who got kicked out why they got kicked out the next phase of it blah blah blah all the way up until present day? It's a really fascinating, fascinating movie and there's a lot of players in it that I know very well you know in a throughout the whole story, and just like you know, it's really interesting, because you don't know that much about what goes on. You know behind closed doors or what goes on behind the scenes with the group unless they come out and tell you yeah and they usually don't talk about it now I don't wanna talk about it, but you know when you put out a new like this. You just like wow, that's about as you can relate to some of it doesn't make you feel better in some instances like well, they were really fucked.

No, because it used it's painful to watch it's fascinating, but it's painful and- and you know with those guys I mean they had a. They had a pretty rough and tumble period there, and then they finally said it and split up for It was like ten years until the hell freezes over to him. Well then, I guess it is really just like I mean it's like a relationship, and you see a couple and you don't know what their personal dynamics are like when the when they're in their homes, and- and I imagine you know if, if a couple hates each other, if someone said look you guys

go live on one another in a bus for a couple of months and then you'll get this, but they still to certain point, they'd be like highs, but he can't do it. It's it's like being it's it's like being a junkie, can't tell somebody how to fix it. You have to fix it yourself right off the not only not only have to fix yourself, but but everyone's everyone has to everyone's goals, have to be aligned in everyone's personalities have to be complementary, and you know just like in a relationship. I imagine if you know the the bad combination is, if you have a bunch of neurotic people in this person's neuroses rubs against this per. Zero season and this person I like it. It just creates a strain weird chain of like you're, all its chemistry. I think. Okay, if you don't you don't have you know this? The the therapeutic reinforcement to learn I mean that's. The other thing is: if someone took your bike well, yeah yeah, exactly right, I mean nobody knows exactly how they're supposed to handle the situation, but in the heat in the heat of the moment you just deal yeah. You know, however, you

personality sees fit to. Well, how do you I mean you seem like a pretty well adjusted guy. So how did you get to that point? Were you always pretty chill about stuff? I'm always been pretty laid back, I'm not real, confrontational son of the guy. That picks, you know at least in the band setting, but yeah there's, there's it it. There is whatever that happens yeah, so maybe I'm too mellow! No listen! There's not! I mean you know: there's no, there's no shortage of there's no shortage of people willing to pick up freak out but time if, if they, if you don't want to have the freak out and when I was a kid, you know talking about all the the sort of history living around the scene in LA and I saw all kinds of crazy, crazy people that you know with their artistic and tile.

And I I think I pretty early on site- I don't wanna- be that guy yeah. Yes, that definitely stuck with me. I saw some really great, very inspiring artistic. You know, other musicians are writers or whatever it was, but for every one of those there was five really crazy out. There didn't make any sense for you know, and there is that sense of entitlement that says I can be like this because I'm an artist on extension, I was like. I don't be that guy. Well, that's good! Well and also you know. Like people around, like you said the people around don't do that any favors, because they're, like oh yeah, yeah, go ahead. Forget like people will the enablers I mean it really is like the people and on your shoulder and the other one in your back pocket exactly there. There is sort of like the same way that you know like a like: a goldfish will sort of grow to the size of the of the the ball that it's in that it's there there is sort of a monster or thing in people that they will it's a lot.

We'll monster out to the size that they are allowed to give him an answer. Yeah yeah. It is because it's you're constantly like testing boundaries. That's okay! I guess I can do this. I guess I can do this and you really do you either need to be well adjusted or you need to have someone say like uh you're kind of being a dick head right now, can you please stop being a dick yeah? I think that's. The main thing is that I probably that needs to happen is are you going to be straight flat out honest with each other from the gecko yeah. I think that's import. To bring in a therapist like back in the day have, but then yeah Metallica brought that on. I never saw that you had you had a chance for the one I don't know I didn't want to see. If there's one moment, though- and it's like it's really- it's like a it's like other therapists like Age- is just down in like it's like you know, you guys are going on the road soon I'm going to have to come along, but I heard that was really part of the deal. I don't think it's like it's just it's. What you need to do believe mean right.

Listening. They do a thing where they like they put down a bunch of music and then they all, you know, listen back to it and write down ideas for lyrics for James and then like there's, there's so like Kirk is handing James Little piece of paper Lars and some of it and like the guy like like, reaches a bit too. It's like it's almost a kind of instead of better to me, like he's kind of on the edge of the seat having James a piece of paper which is like what and it realizes. We and the kind of moves his chair I heard about this. I just I never saw it because it was like. I have. You know my idea of Metallica, and I sometimes too much is too much. You don't want to know, it's an over and over shared culture right into her share culture. If I was you, I love that year and a half of life Metallica thing they put out 'cause, it was just like it was them how you want to see them, just sucking getting wasted, and just so I can goof and often like messing around with each other recording, again Pist off and then I was like. I can't wait to see this next one it was just like.

Dave Mustaine crying so not like to do anything for a long period of time when you're, you, don't really think about the server do anything for a long period of time, so it just it's a process of becoming unsexy. To make it happen. Eventually, thing is: is that whatever it is that you you end of doing our you handle it? The like I mean as far as I'm concerned, because I I'm more of a fan than anything like that. I I I I love what I do and it's got it's got its sort of like how you deal with that knowledge. It is you know, it's got its own pressures and what not, but I got into music more as a fan, so I so look at from the fan perspective,

This is just that. You don't want to know an so you have whatever you have to do in your own personal world. You don't need to put it out. There necessarily don't need personal stuff. Some people find it interesting. Some people find it helpful. 'cause they're deal helps him deal with their own problems whatever, but in the bigger picture most people just don't want to know about that. So I just want you to

your whatever your product is and go out and perform right. It's like one like I'm a friend my show me this man Screwdriver Lee. This is great he's all yeah. These guys are skinheads. I got now. Why do you want to tell me the first? What about the teacher? Never I got there cool logo. Well, it's quite a laugh you! These are my like I'm up, yeah yeah, that's just what we're about an hour, man that was have within your. We got a movie coming out all right. I do. We have even talked about. Let's talk about

before before we go great great promoter. No, but I got this movie called nothing left to fear, which is turned out really great and really stoked about it, and it opens Friday here in Burbank. Okay, AMC! Sixteen, but then we have. We have a screening for at a public screening where we're gonna do a queue name in the director Anthony Lane, RD you're gonna do a after the movie and we're gonna go up and take questions from the fans and ice on that. So it's it's been a lot of fun to have quite an interesting process, producing my first horror, film and Harold. That's fantastic! So what did you do did? Did he come to you or did you guys to how did you guys get together? Well, I mean initially what happened was I had a However, many halloweens ago, like five halloweens ago, I had this great extensive conversation with a producer about

because this is a subject. I never got to talk about with any of my, my friends or my wife for anything you want to talk to me about that, and so, but I have a huge heart about since I was a really little, and so we had this conversation about horror at this apartment of his. Where he does a very elaborate Halloween Party yeah, like one of the coolest, like you know like like from a visual so and it's in the stuff that he puts up in all that, so we had this conversation and- and he goes, you know you should be a producer- as I got right anyway, so and so, but then he kept nursing this idea and we kept in touch and over the course of the year he started sending me a lot of scripts and I can read scripts, and so I get really into these scripts and eventually I would pick out the ones I liked and picked out the ones I didn't like or throw those away and tell him why didn't like him and so on. And finally, we picked this one story that seemed like it was really doable, and that was it.

Nothing left to fear, and so he said. Ok, let's do this and off we win. We announced slasher films at Sundance like three one slash two years ago or something yeah, and then we started developing the script and then start looking for directores in that bunch of different directors, but picked out. The need Leonardi, who is just an immensely talented, Guy and next thing you know we were we can of two casting while doing the hold, and I'm I'm one of those people is real busy body side to be involved with every aspect of this and scored the soundtrack to the theme song for it. What's it about it's in a nutshell, without sort of letting the cat out of the back, it's about a a young God fearing family.

Who thank you, you know basically are invited to relocate to the small rural town called still in Kansas, basically so that the father who's, a pastor, can take over the congregation from the pastor. That's existing because he's going to retire, but it turns out the whole idea. Was a front for a way more sinister plot. Oh that sounds like fun. It's a cool sort of old school kind of movie is going to say it sounds like when it's like hey were move, we're gonna, move to this town yeah and then like as a skeptical cat. Are you know, there's a lot of the car not quite like that, but it's it's one of these things. Where is really about developing the characters and sort of the drama, It turns into harmony yeah I, which is what I was always turned into, was I was thought you know of like in the seventies, especially horror movies. Were these sort of very involved where you really got to understand each of the characters in the This is a sort of a history and going on and get to know these people.

It was just a drama that all of a sudden took this horrific turn when people had in german people. Had attention span exactly so. This is along those lines, so it really get to know them. Emily and get to know the people in the town. You get to know the the pastor that brought them there and all that kind of stuff in it, and then all of a sudden it just sort of like takes a weird little shift, and then it just goes rampant from there. That's that's. Did you see the last exorcist? yeah that was, that was a very big surprises that sexism yeah and then they came out with the second one I said: well, I thought they had the less. Yeah yeah exactly do really less and less like a realtor for real discuss, yeah for real time, the second to do, but this is the ultimate, but I love that today anyway, I love that movie started off as one idea and then slowly turn yeah exactly and then by the end of it you're. Just like oh shit, yeah you get sucked into it. You know the main thing. Is you start? develop, you know more or less an empathy for other people. You know different characters in the

so that when it goes off, you actually feel something that they're going through, because I most most characters in horror movies. These days are disposable from the gecko. You know as soon as you walk in the theater. This is what you're going to get that gorgeous those living killed. Each of those living people are going to die yeah. It's the final destination ISM yeah there, there's that really there was a period of horror where they were really almost these weird christian morality, tales of horror, of like those kids having premarital sex they're gonna die. They get yeah. Well yeah, I mean those I mean some of those movies are really good and it's you know and they're fun you know. I've seen some some good ones. I've seen some really bad ones, and I've seen some some really. Disconcerting you know, torture, porn ones where you just like I'm glad the writer has this outlet, like. I really want you to see graphically how

do this. So it's all going to be very, very slow and painful. I love. I love the I really like the period in the seventies where you know they had to get inventive because they just didn't defects weren't that great. So there was a lot of stuff that you did that you would never even see, but that's that's one of the cool things I mean probably announce them at the time. It's it's like it's that sort of that mystique of what you don't see, which makes you rely on your imagination, which is the darkest place on the plan. Yeah, and so when you have to evoke stuff from there it it paints a really dark picture and you didn't have to spell it out. Sort of like give the suggestion or the idea of something that's going to happen or what it could. What you know like. I know that happened. I didn't see, then your mind tells you what it would look like yeah, and I, like that, a lot better. I I I I like to be sort of engrossed in from a psychological point of view of just sort of like you know the suspense of of waiting

or you know something happen, but not necessarily seeing what it is, but you know what it was, and that makes it that was scare. That's what I love so much about Thai W movies like the devil. Innkeeper's is just the same kind of thing, we're just mostly tension and just like fear of what might happen or what you might want to have me there. I was a movie called the strangers that came out that I don't happen to see by mistake. One night is active during the I'd say: why was pretty NI rated from us and I stopped watching me too. I stopped watching horror movies, like nineties through the first half you know like when I say that when I saw it first out, first half of the first decade of the money, yeah no because they were all very predictable and what not there when I was flipping channels when night and hanging on the couch, and there was a movie that was just starting. So I said: ok, let's check this out. It was in Liv, Tyler was in it, and so I just watched and it was one of the most suspenseful. You know

These I'd seen in a really really long time and it doesn't you don't really get it till the very end of it. You know, and it was. It was a remake right. This stranger yeah, I'm not that I know it wasn't or my thinking about funny Games. Funny games is a remake, but they came. They both came out around the same time, which had a very similar funny games. If I remember correctly, is a remake yeah but similar like people in house, and then people yeah, so I mean you know. Uh was I getting at oh and Rosemary's. Baby was one of my favorite oh yeah from, in the day and this one is sort of is that kind of a thing where you just sort of like. What's going to happen with far,

What happens? Is this still a horrible? How fun to drop rosemary's baby on people, though, because like now, if you did a movie like people go just like rubber baby, but to drop that, then people be like what the fuck you know. You were just about to say something. Oh no. I was thinking if I already said it never mind. I was getting into the rosemary's baby thing, but just the idea that you know how fun in the 60s and 70s where you could actually really surprise people cinematically with horror, because they hadn't been surprised with that way, yet securely gruesome story for that time that really got under people's skin, because you, your you you're talking about a baby, I mean that's a sort of you know it's sacred subject of you know and the hold that you know, and the people, and even the husband, all in on a yellow and like that really well. I don't know that. That's why religion is such a popular subject in an

I'm in general for horrors because that's a plus was to be a safe place. Yeah at least you know in an idea, Klay a you know, that's that's supposed to be a safe place and then what happens? Is you put your trust and faith in the and it turns around- and it's no good- it's like usual- that does suck for people to yeah. That's your family dog Cujo was such a fucking great windows right. Jaws came out, everybody was like fine with the oceans, all javascript yeah. I could take the places where people like to feel where they feel most of these I said in your own home. You know like we're talking about the strangers. You got home invasions, so those are the kind of things that really get underwent. A stranger calls get out of the house. The call is coming from inside the House Oregon Omen, which was one of my horror movies of all the fuckign original element here yeah. It was one of the most all told stories, and an original and Gregory Peck was great. So just like a feature film that you had a nice in polish

what was he wasn't? He was the secretary of defense or something I don't know he was he was. Ambassador to the USA in one of the European. Are you talking about like the one with SAM Neill? No, no! No! the general is the risk is in the same like the Allman was one of the first when I first started to understand like these are a franchise of these things, because I did the second one where Damian played school yeah and then they did the final conflict, I think, which is where SAM Neill, like it's gonna, be president that he's gonna blow up the world over is like just one of the first one he Gregory Peck played whatever Thorn. And he was in the US ambassador, for I don't know if it was Germany or it wasn't France, but anyway so and there's his wife, and they have this new sun itself for for fake. That got this great the house in the find out that your your newborn son son is Satan Palmer, and you know, that's it and then forget told that he's going to you know create in in

he's on on both size. Still man exists, no more so is in the world of politics, and I was yeah great great. You know really well told a great story: yeah weaving religion into politics and then making and that's with all the the the the sequels were right. It's him, you know, first, is going to military school is a little older right, yeah, any any! You know he's coming up and then finally becomes President Would you ever want to remake? Would you ever want to make a film like that or do you like? Do you want to stick to the original? A lot of movies? Don't need to be remade, and it's really cool disenchanting. When people do you know and make him a lot worse, really cheapens original some stuff. You can find really old stuff that can be remade. I mean I think the thing was a good remake. I thought the thing in the chart carpenters, carpenters yeah, which was I guess prickle Covers- is that probably the best remake of all time yeah? Well, that and and invasion of the body Snatchers Donald Sutherland said when I was a good one too, and I'm I'm sure. If we sat here, we can think of a couple. I thought the remake of not living did was

the not so bad. It was pretty good. It was done by Holyshit, I'm forgetting then make up artist. There was so many nice living skinny or living dead ones that I can't even tell it was their actual remake of the original, or are they His was a remake of the original. It was a yeah yeah Tom, some severe okay, so we needed, and yet I taught was in it and it's like you know it. It was just a slow and just as it, really good and then they, but they made the the female lead a little bit less of a babbling idiot like she was like a little bit more strong by the end of it. I never saw it because it was. I think there was a. There was a long, a long string, in the 80s of return of the living dead, which I think is which was great yeah, but there was a bunch of other ones, but they got signal silly thing. James guns, down the dead remake is greater than that, but the day of the dead remake is one of the worst things I've ever seen. Yeah, I remember Donna the dead when it came out but night living dead. The original I saw with my mom

and it was a double feature with the exorcist and, like I said I got, we've done are really really really yeah, but we saw on the back of looks where the wagon at a drive in her and her girlfriend me in the back, see and the regional night in the living dad just scared the hell out and excessive had nothing on my live yeah. It was because it was so raw and it was so like you know, ominous yeah, you know and like news footage and the people you know, as zombies look just like it, you know- and it was just like locked in for but the the thing that that made the biggest impression on me was the the daughter with the spade pleading. You know and not really believing that our daughter was Izombie yeah and then her just if this is- and that's always stuck with me, so I have to check out the new one, because I I think it's the new one came out in nineteen. Ninety I was around yeah, but you know it's I like.

Thank God. It was Tom, Savini and was produced by. I got him recently really starstruck. He seems like a like a real weird. You know he was really very animated and and and likes a young converts converts. Conversationalist yeah yeah some for want of a better word. I was really to sort of taken aback yeah. I was expecting a much more dark in the video, but I like it that is just like sex machine. His character from you might get disappointed. Well, this was great man really appreciate. This is a great changes this year, all the time yeah. It's awesome, it's a great space. I mean just coming out We did it come out, look at the comics tax and then we took her to do. We took over the space next door. We do live, shows downstairs and it's fucking it's. This has been like when you're a kid and you go someday, I'm going to have a clubhouse, then we're going to make, shows and have comics and do live shows like it was literally everything you Jonah produces

instead of show you could come in and watch stand up. People are playing dungeons and dragons out on the sun. David Kettner comes in told me about this, and I just haven't come he's done a lot in my last show, so I have to come down and check him out. Get exam is on. You know. This was a this place used to be hardware, supply wasn't yeah, it was if it was a baby supply store for a long time. Wow. Yeah like you by creating supply of supplies. I'm sorry! Well, there was supply babies, ok, backup, backup baby, so we get the baby stack. Now, when is a hardware store with the hardware store, it was a baby supplier. Originally, this whole building was a bakery there. You go yeah 'cause in the back where the theater is. There were all these extra just structures hanging down from when they were. There was like hardware like when they basically stored a lot of

yeah, I guess I want yes, I've been here. Ninety five is when you're almost twenty years, almost twenty years, you know tower records right, yeah Tower records are video, is our video is being turned into a bank, but before his town, Medio is a it was like one of those stereo supply. I can't remember the name of it's been so long, stereo supply stores. You know I'm going to buy that speakers on again and then, but when I was a kid, it was a, it was a go, go bar well and we're, and I I just always want to go in. There was like six seven hey on the dirt bike, so it. Whenever I look at when I used to work at tower video, I always thought of it that way a girl stood here. Okay, all talk is also work that that's our video series by no. No, no Tompkins,

it is right at your offer like right before I worked yeah his run as resolved right, yeah well thinks you're, welcome back anytime. You want them and, like I'm, gonna, go down the shop, yeah yeah I go down and shot and- and please come back- you see now come out with a truck full of the stuff, hey honey yeah. What did you do because I got more that stuff we just sold and I'm thinking about I'm thinking about having my birthday party this year at the natural History museum you can rent out wings of the net for his music at the LA one of the la I mean I could check it out before you. You know because it's it's rad, if I do, would you would you come over they've already five I'd I don't know

When is your birthday in everyone's I'm sure everyone's got a schedule right now. Unfortunately, birthdays right before Thanksgiving, which wich flux everything up every year, I will be in South America. Oh could you come back? I will, but it won't be a birthday. Yet so I'll come back here and I'll bring you something I'll bring you some. The south american something recognizable, just a hollow femur. Just somebody a right. All right thinks is rumored. Everyone may now leaving Nerdist dot com. Enjoy your burrito. This episode of the Nerdist Podcast is brought to you by stamps dot com go to stamps com, click on the radio microphone at the top of the home page and type in notice. For one hundred and ten dollars bonus offer, including a digital scale and fifty five dollars, a free postage that stamps dot com enter the promo code, Nerdist.