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com or should hardly almost it was in Chicago and it was. It was in Chicago and it will entail, is already opened by me- can take us one that is closed. Doing it. We ve all these micro debate, Thank you for the assuming you're very close. We were gonna. Have you only we're gonna have one, the the live show in Chicago and it's just like the day, just missed legislative yea, totally yeah chronic was less than when we cross path. I think why it might have been a Wanna Dave. Gibbs is Christmas, shows area, I think, maybe

the time he started doing night watchman, yet all at some time ago it was seen daylight I haven't. We been Emily back and forth, but I haven't seen him in a long. Does like a classy like Tuesday night thing it up. Wine bar and silver like which is a worthwhile, check one to reliable studies, are architecture down or business. Yes, Jack went to doing classy wine bar show now show just sort of like he. He's a become a wine guy and they go and they talk about the vintage of grapes. Good, Larry after TAT the person Glenville next to the church Ali. Would Hollywood kind of EAST Dave. Gibbs is an incredible musician and he was in a bank or the oh ants through, I think had a song on that thing. You do soundtrack and he also Dave was the music director for rock of age

so Dave is the guy that I rode all of those sniper songs with realism and yeah he's an incredibly talent guy, a good guy, His wife by the way is been on every show and every country and every commercially every tyrannical miraculously their amazing, but we're in your home studio now, which is really it's really comfortable in here like this one, I just want to hang out and record doing something which I guess is. What were you really exactly exactly he will? Your dream has been realized. His report I gotta do people know how far down the nerd whole it goes for you or have you have to know who I am. I I'm full nerd disclosure labored like to go through that resume. I'd be happy, I just heard a story that when you first started when you first started dating your wife, there are some governance idea that you you. Let her think that, unlike that, some night you were going to strip,

In fact, you are actually going play the Vassar, that's the auditors. I wish that we're not oh. He used to place of Did he lied the honest now she's, my wife is for better worse much. Cooler than I am but she has come to set of oppression. Some of the geek it- and you know she looked forward to the first. We have to do like aim. A I looked at her in with Lord of the rings, the the books energy and want to eat you, like we re, going to start in the harbor honey. That's like a good entering its entry drugs we like and we're going to read it out loud together and we like a page and I haven't she'd fall asleep he's coming understand, there's like tarts to know their habits and not tat. So, finally, after after you know, we we suffered habit, and we made our ways lowering she reached a tipping point where it at one point. There is like

we have to keep reading, but I think I think led Zepplin is a good gateway to twelve yeah there's like deserves and airs immigrants on. Don't you want to hear more about that Galileo and the evil one swept up and slipped away. We have where's that come from where does like. I can, of course I can source that material. That's all I'm so used to do have. Did you play deity for awhile? I guess I was. I was a fool: Dungeon Master and Liberty, Bill Illinois and I had the books and I had I spent in ink like of my youth, develop it. Wouldn't you like the module. You know, I wanted all to be from scratch, because my scenarios, of course integrated my

social justice agenda. Of course, I dungeons and recruitment of my desire for preventive work. Sly, since I was always the king was always the bag. We're gonna sleigh oryx, but I want everyone understand that they are equally have either working or ass. Yet the zigzag here with the Basle, your idea, which is a whole different, it's a different shade of dvd player. I dont, like I never liked myself, because I hated. I just want to play yeah. I did want to have to build a little for moving with. Why wouldn't I never did like the it was all. There is, never any sort of construction and painted figurines it. We all kind of like mental bits, but then this week, in it in its spawn off into the the the dean these are of suburbs, and you know the lives and vigilantes we're gonna that which is like the superhero version. I never play ball with crime fighters which, like the twenties gangster, I played that and I played boot

which was the western island when are you brute help it, and there is one that I was there. I was that is opposed to Paca, lipstick, radiation, world gamma World I heard again area that was another number plate, amusements countless hours to assist other things like I did it with it Now I have the feeling that that the people who bait, maybe in gauging match with the latest magic, where the kids quota is that they realise that it's a geeky endeavour and that, because they're playing it they won't get dates. I did it with complete innocence. I thought this is a thing that I love and it's fun to do, and the fact that I'm not getting date must be wholly unrelated. I better get into music. So these endeavours willing to what we do. These shows there's a lot of kids will ask us like a when did you know you're like a nerdy guy like an I always I was telling me. I guess I didn't say I thought everything else was also yet never once was embarrassed about really was around sound that I met my girlfriend, who became my wife. She pointed out these things at length,

gotta go, not ok or normal is like a terrific when they were walking down, venture boulevard and there's a gaming shop. They oh yeah, yeah game each other and the doors open it as the middle. The beautiful afternoon is a bunch it like boys and grown men in their engaged in some sort of the others, a table out in some of the cards when it and she were just having a disk of and fix your bike. Us she looks in there their like her eyes, roll back introduced, shout how do I know all about you know for them, like a figure pretty girl walked by this particular going seventeen monotony in their lives like what's wrong with you? I am you married want you governed. Your wife was and is so she's pie house and you retrial, Amazonia, go. It's has aspired to try lamp, they wouldn't. Let me an area I didn't. I think I knew when I was growing up that it was. I knew,

was not a court on code cool thing to do, because I could feel the coldness of being socially ostracised, but, but I didn't care Ah, yes, I just wanted to do as a choice. I D was before a lively, enjoying myself having this night other cool nights islands are cool. A party I get. If I do wonder, like a quarterback could slay a dragon thinks like I would last fuck in five minutes, firemen, that for me I was an only child. I am annoyed, shouted out so that there is no kind of sibling, no berating on either Anon either under the scales. I can tell you when I did lose self awareness, though, when I was in college, I was into juggling, and I thought ever one would think that was really cool, yet juggling area they didn't. I work my way

your college, working at the renaissance, fair. Now I am, I am, but by the way, what you say college without an Algerian, nobody give algae all its I'll bet. It's bad for Meda, because because you're you're, you're you're every about you so interesting to me as well. I don't know I could name many Irish. Million Kenyans in the world's correct here and then ROPE in Illinois, and then you went to Harvard someone using college. You work your way through Harvard its working further reminded us, that's correct that the personal, reticent fur and was got the King Richards Fair, and I began after five summers that was my day again. I start out as an unpaid apprentice bees it aloud. To live in the Lord of the rings world, which, when I finish the books, I felt a great loss have nowhere. No more ventures, worm outlet, a crazy meet parties, deafening roundabout, there's like there's a somewhat of a suspension of disbelief, and that's it was a beautiful like that. The British, after her in southern California, is kind of a desert with

lasting wearing an engineer. The yes just like in the Rocky ECHO Dockers felt like you were in a sort of a purely repressive. Did you when does guitar cabin, where you will loot play a royal I later on, I became my eye. Was you know, sort of playing the renaissance play in writing. Renaissance jams and you know, sort of courting the the girls from Canosa. Was God I've been technologies castle, and I wasn't sparing actor at the time as well. So all of that- and I was- I spent five summers in tights working traipsing about was They will not have generally like another glass of Hamilton metal, Bogota them. I would do you have any video of that. This is a real need for better or worse, this isn't a pre. This is like they were barely Kay

paintings desert? With a lady like to accompany me to Danzig to yours, you could check. I grew up in a very conservative, small town and all white can serve as Malta, so Renaissance forwards catalogue, Hippy Free Love Times Yang, like as a greater sort of accept and everyone. There is dungeons and dragons. You know yet has that an on their resignation was felt likes or a more o girl coming community, because I wonder if you know four for a guy like you that is is is so you is culturally unique as well as the stuff that you are into might have put you in a weird category and act in a totally conservative Illinois. Italians. You ever feel identity crisis here. Did you sort of like real EC. No, this is just to aim one image. We don't it's only upon reflection that I felt that it was like house. Singular that existence was like. I thought that everyone at Liberty Bell had pictures of. You know CHE Guevara

rumour on their limbs. I met the cage sure it turned out. That was not the case. You know that in my my twitter predilection for I would say I like sports, but I also liked punk, rock music I liked heavy metal and I liked, under the dry and undeniable my my click. There was the drama club kids, not high on the ban on this social ladder, but kids were we're smart or creative and had a pretty great time in order when there was a from some of the dramatic racist issues that occurred. You really like the news in the garage day, I was bad wholly little would do that. The clan. Are you I area as what they do, but when they got that far North, the deep north man, So yes, on more than one news as a kid grown up, oh geez, my mom was a history teacher at the same high school that I attended. What occasionally have like clan literature like posted, that like on her like kids, would come in put it up or they tie her

you, like the blue screen thing in a nuisance. It was like it's great. Everyone knows that if I send somebody says very idyllic, bucolic suburban community I hereby crowd, it's cool and then it's also really horrible has enabled. I mean to a kid I just I don't I don't even but of honest, but from a certain point of view. Is there any part of you that Weird Lee appreciates the you had that experience, because now you're you, you are so so The active that maybe did that Diana had me, thou, Dost Thou is now none of them have a purely tat was one of thirteen is purely terrifying. I went to bed scared to death for more years afterwards. You know like, as somebody links in the driveway, with a rope that they're going to go in open your drive. Door and make a new and then get like that was so in your report you was it was you,

well, I'm single mom losing one to any of us as she does guys. So that's that's the other side, but yeah I mean, but much of my people will often ass like where how what was your political awakening? Unlike what books did you like? I was the only blue. Given all white town, like its political in kindergartens, right I'll, go out on the playground, the first time with an afro in politics. Come here too, I am riders parachuted in the middle of Mississippi burning grace. And so what were some of your early like you know when you regret as work closer the same age and it's not like just go to the internet and go right. No fine group. What was it, how did you? How did you explorer? You know social activism and how to how did you? I had a click of may well that the politics of my homeland that were very different communal again and that I sort of mistake We assume that everyone had this a very progressive worldview like

mountain. My mom remains the most I'm the second most radical members marilla. It's about. Was eight years have like? Oh my gosh. I've got that not even I would agree with me down exactly my take it down and out genome enrage again and but it with their IDA. There were a group of kids in for in my sort of drama club kingdom. Who were you know who ran an underground newspaper who had a very like we were very full of sales of fixing seventeen year olds, your old and were very confident. We knew more than the teachers were teaching us about politics and history, a young, and we were we that off one another's energy in that way, in that we were going to head out beyond Liberty Bell to change was that was that punk rock, though that you does it was in part, was like the clash, was a big deal. You know, but the clash kind of the clash kind of helped us.

Look you demise. What we were thinking and doing away with like someone somewhere outside of our community like felt the same way we're not just this islands in the middle of cultural. No, I thought the same words like I started feeling like a discontent in the classroom and what has been tightened up you'll find out when you go to well isn't to pug? Rocker guests are getting like it m like, and so, bad that are totally oh there's you realize, or something more in a kind of make me go. Oh this is kind of em learn the history in the math, idea, like everything else, kind of those bullshit yeah yeah they about the school newspapers. It was a very big deal because I worked on paper launched some, neither France and that we had interest in signs in writing about stuff beyond the school like the schools, there is always didn't the football team give it they're all is here, and you re it was lieutenant. That's like that. More than a hundred oriented wasn't well, it's ended, or was it super well attended the right to petition and

underwrite about apartheid and the US are the Contra death squads in Central America and the fact of the dean was a Dick rang things that you could not do in the official channels, and so there was a massive, a very exciting walk out and then a school paper that eventually head a greater circulation, the regular and I was like a learning expresso. You were able to sir to sort of grown yea, and we would like that the school try, the set you know it was it was. It was very there is there is a feeling of kind of political impotence when you grow up in the sovereign like. How would you, like you read up history summit, occurs in books, not something that you could be a part of her? Bavaria sixteen seventeen with his newspaper thing, the school said you may not distributed on campus and we said well, we taught them a lesson that there's a thing all the first man, we involve ACL, you who told the illimitable public icicle. Yes, they can distributed on campus and so from was teenagers. It was kind of fun I won't do it. You tell me and sticking to a man, that's really interests, No, because I dont think I mean

maybe now because you know the internet can be suggests, a support structure for people at that time. To decide to just do that newly enough, but I feel like most kids would have gone well, the grown ups can't do than right around. Yet we didn't, we had a strong anti authoritarian street from a very early, and how funny is it that in history class their teaching, you that the founding fathers basically said hey, you know we're not gonna, be oppressed, more by what you're telling us- oh yeah, yeah that was fined for that. But you guys are the deed. Is a debt can shuffle I've got box topsy? I know you're, not a founding father I could be, and there we return. These are these very short of militants. Newspaper, rallies and Edward stick it then we would go get our too. Cited dies out sir- the comfort to the nine come for, however, willing allowing city with the indeed, but I think I think that was sort of you. I think the way the earlier pointers kind of hedging out a little bit with you know what people hanging

uses in your garage or are coming up against the dean. Is that not that those are good experiences but that the resistance does get creates there is like a new, tony and thing that has as yet when opposite reaction, which, ultimately, I think is for the later good, yeah yeah. I know you came up against a dick had demon than you made this pair either here or politically. You can never do anything great in the world must have a chip on your shoulder, a doctor. I am, I guess it here, because if you just if you're happy and content all the while, I really like a father figure. A shoe or whether it's not you happen to have that ship, and I mean if everyone in Liberty will, when you were growing up, was really cool and binding. You know, and it did you put a little bathing grazing. Lastly, I would not be running the gaming shop. We let us existence, but it's funny like now. It's like gave his revenge than earth, because in a block and after my mom live there is, there is now a game

Shop, where yeah it's working or aloes free political. I walk in there now like what we want high fives. Everybody would not have thought about doing that at some point generally want to open like hobby sharper just open. Like a thing, you know it's like a clue, though. I'm though in a while I do have my my geek passport, is well stamped like it is like when I go to the comecon and stuff like. I there's a lot that I don't know about, and you can't know everything there is raising. I guess there's all so much beyond STAR Trek. I mean they're they're pop culture kinds Yang, specifically. What is it? You were doing, orchid for dark horse racing right, yeah, civilian, we're still on I'm writing issue, twelve after you guys. Later today behind Laval. Where do you work? hey. This is my business, my office. This is it I haven't. How do you? How do you manage your time between music family?

yeah I'll come ass. It is, I have to children's a three year old and nineteen months old. So it's pretty that I consider my number one we present in their lives setter. Tour like I did before my lungs have been away since my first and was born is three months greatest, don't like the way, and it systems too crazy to be when you say that, like it's a short amount of time, but I guess all senator in what I mean is to be used to be home three weeks of the yellow. That's now it's completely, and until I get back from there try to be like a mostly availed earlier, and I looked I mean if you do, they look differently, they have a different vocabulary. Take insist: it's not like my father, at present all my life, I like make a very concerted effort to be in their everyday. So am I so its part rock in its part, baby I'll go in a baby music class, even though thought with a male sit fits systematically her Vanessa retreating. Right the comic in the area. We want to get it

kid musing me, like you, just went to a diminished. Could like a huge. You could just like the problem. Is that not only profit but the, but the music teachers are aware of my regiments I should like to know shopping auditioning allows a fast like there's. The soberly conservatory music is such a junction and they like. That's like all like these. Like I kind of aging hipster guys are all the teachers and, like I think we as one that I regard as the fund must find it. Could you just see the parents win for the kids and just like, like I use a bunch of old right here. You ve seen them. Did you see when Gregg Bear was doing black rattle now known yeah, of course, very good bad. Did this big black rattle, which was basically like metal kid songs that they would take like that Where is good work, rattled lag rattle, that's gotta be available online somewhere, but it, but it is kind of funny that you know you are, given this unique position where it's you? U brightest, they got out the teacher

the digital? No, he probably wants to right, maybe I'll. Tell you learn to set up single avatar is going to look seriously at the meeting with like working with eight. I was big comic book, Fair, While there was another huge part of my from five to seventeen sheriff codes of conduct and then put it down like when I discovered guitar and in politics, the other, the escapism nature of hulk fighting Thorgest went by the wayside. But then I want at this period is idea for the story orchid is about for four years ago, and I didn't I didn't like approach like. I want to write a graphic when one recommended, like I just got a story, and I d have to figure out how to do it. I didn't like enough time to write a nine hundred page novel in my life, and I didn't want to be a dude knocking on site,

your doors of the screen plague. That's not a great look right now. That's it! I feel like the right when it gets a machine is that you have come up against stuff, and I think you know and rub zombie had that allow when he first started making films it does what it we wanted to drive right people compartmentalizing their joy. None know you're just that guy, it, was actually just that guy, that's about it. This feeling like another reanimated around, is already visitor swordplay, which is the name of the then it yeah. So you did with the comic, though, is that is that another form escapism for you? Is it just want me in its I it's I I wanted to combined, like my love of the things like Lord of the rings and star wars and stuff like that? But with my worldview you know, and the tabs I'm going to be a thrilling fantasy narrative, but that's also going to have the you know like this. The politics of

of Algiers or something you know end, and so that's what he's been great like for me. It's like giants really jumping on the deep ambience. I was not a comic writer beforehand and I was a storytellers. My whole life, you know, as a kind of got darker has been very helpful and of helping me reign in you, don't make it's gotta be twelve issues. They have come out once more, and I am also scheme of things they do. You hear that score the comic as well as musical score with each logs graphic. They get for phrases like it's, because I've done a lot of films. Goings. I've searched those chops and brought them into the world of the kind. Sudan profundity. So how do you do you have a tone? Words like you'll? Have the music going emulate turn the page on the fate of that literally. We go, furthermore, vibe man and at the end of the two, it's a twelve issue cycle. The end of it will be like a twelve song, soon I'll companies and as these musical score ass great. How is this? How

how was Harvard once you got to have her, but it was worse than it was a challenging as arguments of public school and I for what it. However, I was wired political was not a great challenge from India and Harvard was young Carbon was no joke. Man like the like. I had this. It was my first night at once my first like political science class, unlike at Harvard Man, I'm as the not because of not because of any genius on my protest very prevalent about that. I was a first person from reveal to ever go to Harvard no one else it ever applied doesn't found so rising every site. I've heard that no one has ever so. The new sky didn't applied a Harvard weird that debt so so any myself, so I was like I'm rubber. You know I'm here and I'm gonna. I've got the thing and I am reading Thomas Pains, the rights of man on my first night there and it feels like this. Is it man mom or what it on its eight o clock and then its through

thirty in the morning, I'm about a fourth of the way. This notable I got through more books. Jury, oh shit. This Like you, I mean I'm, not Liberty, Bell anymore man ass, it was, it was shouting, but I write in joint gray. I was very leather weapon is one thing that, while the education there was great friends, I may there were great the the comedy intellectual challenge was great. The thing that was most important was just leaving home like getting that I was and mild perspective where I'm from Ganz. You know, I didn't know that I had a hasty midwestern accident till I went to Harvard and that all those people who talk like a talk like that just gave me like a very different perspective on, and I think that's crucial is you can you can always decide to go back to it? But you need to know somewhere else And now you are definitely do you know to some degree. You know we are reactive, You are environments and it is important to I never understood the value of travelling

I was really like what awaited travelled here. These are travelling. You are right, of course, culture is a way of gathering exposed. You know so that I can grow led. It's really importer and my mom Managua no budget as public icicle teaches a kid when I was a kid twice took us to Europe and just as she wanted to Germany, she had travelled to the world as a single woman, in heard from her like twenty to forty city, icons, dealers and one, and taught in China and german place like then. That's algae eventually ended up in Kenya, nourishment my debt, but that's what you want just see the loop and I'd is fought at nice score that I'm, like I don't wanna. I want to see the Alps. I want to read waters down the back of our universe, but in it really stuck with me those experiences and getting a different perspective on Illinois later on and then, as I as a touring musician, it rests.

They did so deeply laid a lot of a lot of guys and in guys and girls and bans which are the world go from the gig to their hotel to the party to the next egg right and they do not. I was I had they paid vacation of a lifetime exploring the planet in part, resources were planted when I was a kid what's what what are some places that you that you love, that you would never have thought to go out. Jesus I'm in Reykjavik was wine always want to go to it, and I thought I'd be careful. I that's. It is Viking country up there. I a whole different outside of the regular pizza hut, nothing more sense and not on the bill there's like hundred on. I was there in M, is raised first place that rage against machine at a number one record and they get very at the time of much of a change now, but they had get very few western artists there and so like they too shows a year, and yet was one of them.

I'd atoms and their efforts and others a hundred yards practices, sugar, cues reunion. We with evident answer the dark screens and at the time we were we were here. We are opening up in four for house of Pain and club here now and let you squat yelling was of as the ban had. No, fraction anywhere, but number one in Iceland so that we can go there. We go there. We get over the plain and there's a media. You like media and we're looking like is Nelson Mandela is wires out. Just goes rage against machine. Is here like our right. That's trippy in the show is: is every age bracket and like everyone in Reykjavik came to the shop online, then we would have slightly off shore. But what then can we had no experience with fans other than male fans of marital? That public has changed against the machine. Dude all did so we can, and we

with our security guard rivers accrue to go before was literally the strongest man in the world. They, we watch ESPN to unite the guy Poland trailers teeth. Who is number one yawns Johansson, wherever they must was our guy drawn is made the world was protecting like what do we need that? Why that's we're? So we go the after party for the show, like twenty four hours a day there, so they have pretty starts like two and when a room with a band, I forget what there Be it. The english translation of their Viking name was jet black stool, ok. So it's already pretty sorry, I'm gonna, who strongest man, world party with jet black fool, which I warn you can happen if you take pepper, abysmal and happiness version, and I'm like I've in Iceland my man all time, a jet black storming. God bless him, but I don't need to spend another minute was around here. I want to go out and see what happens in the strongman. We're goes gland learned a to heard like MIKE, I don't know

I do know that, isn't he set up with a had a much as like, like dont, go and like, but we're here to see Iceland and such like learned a splendid Flanders heard. Em out. Bravo glint. Whatever that listen, I tell them learn. Apparently I walk out that door and it is it's really. A saloon seen from a western porn like there's fist fights going on, I'm out the door about four steps when a comely Viking last grab my machine rage against raised against my machine I run back in the room, I go Dude Glinda heard that's what they're me as relevant. Don't go. The loud he's practically does so they just lookin go off during the summer months, be as in the rest time there in the dark drinking bargaining committing suicide MIKE.

The idea that the juxtaposition of new and house a bay where, Is it coming over these like so euros? socially aware, like there's a lot of history and dates and then allow jumbled up around jumper outlines a rich pageant that sound like that's like getting up and an reading common sense of the book, a cot common sense at a NASCAR devised right. Via the re site. I much like felt much when you would you like to hear the silence do good letter, but have also been a common juxtaposition at your shows was just like you guys, varied socially conscious year and to spread this work, but these guys are here to punch yeah and I mean that's. I mean the band rage against wishing cast the nets very wide in that regard. It is music and certainly punch people, two thousand without without lyrical covered up with deep lyrical content, its aggressive music, and so it went very over very well with the possible

France is a true. It is it's sort of vets. If it's it's, it's sort of the Simpsons thing work There's a shiny parliament right one round, would you get and then there's a few really paid yeah yeah you get. These really dense. Nuggets of information is inapplicable things as hard till I like you, know yet remember not to blame the band for their fans. Railroad, for example, Paul Ryan. Vice president, at present volcanic Paul Ryan, his favour man is raging in some machine. And then you guys must contribute to how many socially alot of a right, but that's like he's a guy that, like worked at a p. Ninety actually need southern address. These I'll. Listen! That's it earlier occasions like all. This is a good book in me. I am you're out of your bed is the best for crunches dry. It is a very good crunch man. What is it you know we're with with rage, because I feel it

so much that you guys are saying musically in and you know it and and politically. What is it that you want people to take away from from that, because when I watch what I feel is a little more that's her, it's a little more specific. That's with your specific, that's correct its you're not within. I want just others less distraction of the huge beats in robes and what not in that. That's always been one of them The challenges of the ban rage against machine which now to tourism, gentlemanly, pays about one show every two years. That's been such an issue. These days has one's work, but you know it was a bit different people about look at different. I was like the fact that the ban cast the nets very wide and that I your everyday people who were turned on to a new set of ideas because they were drawn to it because of the rock you know it s totally. That's that's. You know, if you're a fool, the order, the night watchman- that's, maybe not. The case periods you're tend to preach to the believers who are drawn to it.

With rage he were drawn to what who liked you know from twisted sister, too bad brains like that music and there's a whole different settler, except I never really had up a litmus test unless You're gonna run for vice president concentrated try to stick it. The ninety nine point: nine percent of rage against the machine bands than I ve ever been an opinion about the aid. You remember that I murmured taking a lot of guys. They they site. His machine as the ban that, like help them, become a little more socially aware, but then also when they went behind it and that that's what got them inefficacy short? started. You know that or the whole thing we're lego. Green deal will come out and they'll be like. Oh look out record Nope will falling out of I've been going through an regions, machine was kind of that. Just down that spike that, like the smarter, p, followed down yeah yeah yeah. I grew up in a place where there was no independent, zero access to any Indy anything. I got all of my records at the mall in classical music,

land at the mall and that's how I got my kiss records nets later. I got my class records, and so you know that I've never subscribed to the citizen, as is an elite ism in the world of punk or political music that you know you have to be. Your fans have to have it who haircuts as you do your help and I would like now I just I want and your you know that you what you just said you speak so that, like you, can you can get the radiance machine recorded music land at the mall, but an open door to a lot of other stuff yeah guess that there is a really in balance. With I mean, do you feel like you're, creating a relationship with your audience or Iraq as some people like fuck you man, this is my men you don't give a shit who you know you'll go well, you know if you wanna, if you, if you want a sort of take your very specific idea and get palatable like you'd. Think about those that that way and all his I'm just make what you want to. I think I think, first and foremost, whether its, whether its work with radiance machine or than I want, or even orchid, the complex like the art, has to be good. You know like its, otherwise it cannot just be

a NOME Chomsky lecture set to a beat. You know it s a bit of a method auto tune in less than an underwater. That's out. There really is a good or will be, but your first import like it has to be like I, I didn't really choose to play guitar. That kind of chose me and felt like a calling. So given that strait jacket of vocation, then to search to find a way to make great guitar music that also expresses the world view any let the chips follow they may like. I was at a man before rage against machine called lock up. That's much greater commercial aspiration, legos abandoned, wanted to be signed, abandoned, wanted to have videos on. Why not- and you know whatever sort of record company digging. Cliche imaginable happened to that band and I was done. I was like I was going to be musician, but I I miss my chance of the brass ring and that's when Radiance machine form in part, because, like my new way of looking at the world was I just can play music? I love you know, and there was no

time, let me say, uniting ninety one: when that ban form there were no multi ethnic meal marxist Rock rap, on K raw material over six years that, let's put together the thing, that's gonna, live on colored didn't really. Today we gotta get down some doors, but that, although not those doors. He always like your guises, like us seem. When you got together, we just plain like how shows and like all we got here, we were, we came out of the womb, pretty well form like the we roads and did a demo tape which handle the majority, the songs on the first for its record on it. Before we played our show a water and sell the idea was that we're gonna sort of get to it. It was or make a record or Cosette that which is going to be the proud work

that we didn't get out here and then we we didn't honestly we there was, there was no. There wasn't even a deluded belief that we be able to book club show cuz. There were not clubs that booked rap they're, not rock clubs at book rappers, you know, and there were there, just was no place for it, and so we start out the first time we ever performed in public or in front of anyone was a house the in Huntington Beach for his Timmins ACT were part like some of the punk Rock the revolution record at an end, and so the parents were away and we played, we had five songs and the first one we ever play in front a people. S uncle, take the power back and I've been it bans that people like the bands people didn't like the ban in front when the beat dropped and take the power back. There was a huge pit in the living room like within

ten seconds of the music beginning that will this might be a different seeks situation feel right away. I would argue, as people went ape shit from day one for that, do you couldn't. Do you think? That's the key, because you know it in in any artistic endeavour, whether its comedy writing or painting a musical. You know that the important thing is to sort of figures that moment where you figure out your voice. You start to feel Oh fuck. I think this is who I am yeah. Yeah yeah, really cool. Is that you know it. Do you think that that what has to happen is it's like? With your experience of, I tried the traditional routes that didn't work. And it forced me to look inward. That's correct ethics element in different mean. I dont know that the biggest hits from the biggest songs in the world from Rihanna Taylor, Swift, subscribe, but certainly in the art than I'm most drawn to its needs. We its honest, that's the thing was I sort of divorced the really and since then I followed that bit like whether its with Radiance machine records,

That would sell ten million copies and I want to record that would sell a thousand copier. The comical is like I just do stuff that feels real to me and that's and then you'd. Let the chips follow the main and yet that's what initially drew people to rage and would just like. Oh my gosh, I get so create life, there they are not. However, how are they will again and especially when you look it when you look at what you guys were doing, it seems sectors is consistent pattern of you sort of being out of place in a situation, yet let errant kind of red. Finding what that media and making it ok. I mean I was the only black in all my time I was the only anarchists and a conservative high school. I was the only person who was committed to a career in rock and roll at Harvard University. I was the only Harvard dude in a rock band in alike. Try and yet so it's an it. Just think. It's mine,

four Salaam was named one man revolution for recent. Do you feel that? How do you feel the education system is now four people I mean like we did. Those are such desperate going from public school in Institutional, Harvard, obviously you said it was. It was academically was more challenging, but you know. The this as a sort of the state now is that people are not prepared to do even go to college anymore. I don't mean that what words I've as my children are now entering the the California education system. It's pretty crazy and like the school, the public, so that I went to is better outfitted, then the best private school in LOS Angeles. You know I mean just like because whether its cause suburbs hammer but like when I look at Ella unified as its brutal. Secondly, don't have p. They don't have art that music known, have hot launch its eye. The disadvantage that kid's right going to publish its expert

crazy. I've I was committed. The markets are gonna public school. Until I looked at the public school, I, oh my god, you're here. Oh, you don't have books for a ride, a second graters faith for its really it. No one except gives you a city private school, but I wanted to learn stuff. Maybe have works like me, they never works. Can you feed them? May they ever wants it ages, little morale and that, as a matter of mean that speaks it like a core of were a lot of my words like the the grotesque misappropriation of sources and the price that the skewed priorities of what our society as a proposition golf whenever that Renault is not here I mean, while, while propositions desire a tweet, the system that, for me the bigger picture, is the people that own and control the country in the world don't deserve to they do it in their own interest and not the interests of the betterment of the planet. Yes, oh, that's! That's what my songs but my guitar solo, that's, my comic books tend to be about, but at this point do fit what for What is it you think someone? I hate propositions because there

is worded in a way we like wait sneak in my view this year we are going to get this thing or so the way they worded it seems like both each. I thought again. We I don't know you don't, because if Heaven forbid a good proposition to do good in the world came on the ballot than there be six corporate, bonds proposition. Similarly worded, that did the opposite here in the obvious gates. You know what Well, that's it is there that reminds me of something that I read about you and then I want to ask a question about big government as a whole, but the idea that you worked for us in her for a while and you said a woman called in and she was complaining about Mexicans running into a neighborhood. You called her a racist and then you got untroubled. You like, I will work somewhere. I can call raises the rather I was as scheduling second over you may with Senator Alan grandson for two years. And it was an eye it was, but it wasn't that I was trying to go into the world of electoral politics. It was a day. It was a job that my heart on my work resume either renders

there are other regional, resonant harbour. I, when I moved I couldn't get hired selling heavy iron maiden teachers and Hollywood Boulevard, like I didn't, have that I could are you really accelerated? Shuddered and seals are business so that it actually that's a job. You can get on Holly level. We do need someone to fence, I can I can go into the court's you know, so I mean that's what got me the gummy placed at the centre, as I was very eye opening, unlike sort of worthwhile while Alan Crampton is several degrees, more progressive than President Obama. You just saw me like it. Just For me, as I get so compromise, I mean the sender. God rest, his soul was like the Good NEWS is that all his time asking rich guys for money all his and know that money come for free, but the the icing on the cake was what you mention was like others, lady calls up and cheese hook her her message to the senator and she's want something done about users. Mexicans moving in our neighbourhood, like I was chosen Ma Am

racist and you can go to Hell. I'm thinking I have five senator I represented the drowning talked of the constituents have like them. I got yelled out for two weeks by, like everybody up and down the ladder about. This may not be the political. This is obviously like MIKE Judges character in office space. It's maybe not the place for me, it's a bummer and bit, but I wonder you know I wonder, with big government and an eye. Is it even possible anymore, because there are so many people, somebody corporation somebody interest, so many different sides trying to vie for there. Peace is even possible to run a country. This big anymore, I dont know what I mean the knot of me. I think that both I mean clearly from my personal experience, with the progressive senator just going for the big money in the bureau. The Republicans, I that's what they but they thrive on it. Just it's the

his staff in the lives of the people who run the people who run the country not deserve to and whether its democratic republic in an office, while there are important shades of difference, which can mean life or death to people with regard to foreign policy guidelines and the lights on or off with regards to poor people here and in a country that that both sides are beholden to the same ruling class interests. That's my view and that's why I've always my my my efforts have always been aimed at not getting the right person in office. It's getting the right, critical mass from below to really make substantive change. Does all I mean the anything, maybe any good, radical, progressive changes, happiness countries come from below, like whether its lunch counters being desegregated women getting the right to vote. If you look around like the Berlin Wall, falling apartheid, ending all those things happened because of people just regular people fought for that and then eventually the powers that be had to come around

I mean I I just I don't know. Even if you had no, whoever the ideal can it would be like this is the perfect Kennedy you put them into the structure about it? I don't, I still don't know if they're going to be able to do, they think they would get there. We like, Oh fuck. I can't get anything done clear, yet superior every, even see that with the energy Opie candidate, like you know when they start like they seem like when there's like, though broad. You know, candidates for the republican spot like this day seem all right, then like, but if they become the guy, then they can like John became like becomes a completely different guy. When he's running for office, he was I remember seeing him on like the daily show you a man for both the reasonable, like the Volga guy, that's what he was sitting Would you like? Well? I may disagree with some of that, but you seem like yeah you're, a good do. You're, smart and you're in you can make me laugh because he's a funny. I do and then like it happened both times when he, when he saw sought in sight he became this like this. Is my press

As you know, I just came, I that's what I think the job he doesn't like. They just go right now, you're this guy. This is what you are you all right, they're Dayton, United Investors. I think this is big politics in general. I'm not! I don't really. I don't like the idea of partisanship. I don't like it because I feel like why wanna be able you know like. I want to be able to make my own thing. Vigour serves everyone robust, and you know some of that side is great, but then those parts are good at some of that actually like. Why do you have to sire. I agree. We right right in that system is unique to United States and other countries where they have multiple political parties. Where you actually to vote for someone who really thinks like you do, and then you get sort of proportionate representation, then they all figured out together, whereas, like ah, it's you know it's not the lesser of two evils. It's the evil of two letters is well planned, all live and just make that up

All this goes driver details, because you think that the report is more important to like start locally though, and it comes the politics. Is that that the difference like in your unlike one's own lifetime and what they are able to changes in the air I mean I mean, though I think that for first you have to realize you sort of going back like a high school newspaper thing is that history is not something that happened history, something that you make whether with your indifferent and passivity- and you stand on the sidelines and you let other people do it, who have the the will to do it or engaging have real. What all my stuff is about is that you have your hands on the wheel of history, you know and that it is about people like but listen to your show, who stand up in their place and time to make the world different than it has or they sit back and they let somebody else do it and then they can't complain right. I always it's it's especially lately. I feel like even saying the word politics You can just see that the hairs on people to get yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I feel like we spend so much time trying to tell

people why they're wrong yet, rather then, let's, let's just try to fix things like a rise of every couple times, because we never really talk about politics and the show. I really liked tying Matic, as I just feeling it d its people in ways that you don't intend and then they just get mad and they make it all about their right right around. That's not, and no one's going to agree like biologically were designed to argue our own points. Whether or not it's true is irrelevant. Yes, we just have to convince people that Robert I right right and I hate getting into that shit. But but I do feel like you know it's just one of those topics that you just gives people just why. Why can we not just sit down and go let's just talk about his hideous you're smart, yet you don't have to attack each other. Why can't we fix the problem instead of tat, It's that feeling were like. You know you like that Sophia when you're like first interact with someone of that, doesn't speak in English and you don't speak in their language and they're. Trying to like ask you direction, you like yours so do

It's you take a right here. You're a doctor in your own country. I gotta, stop idiot, doesn't know the CBS yeah. I don't I don't know, I don't know what it is it is it, but the whole idea of it. Just you know I don't know. I feel it people want mad now more than they want to solve prince wholly. It worked out like they do one star trek the next generation. I be relayed moderation that satisfies where map Myra well you're, the guy who the other guy in the show met. Myra, is a huge next generation Van and is also a huge guitar nerd. So my handed mechanic, I wish you'd be. Should be submitted, a list of questions no eyes demanded that it could have more Matt mats, mats mats working on the attack of the show you an attack, it sort of any attack is in its day, isn't its death rattle right now, it's like it's got about two months laughed and then G Forest

away, but that still has to go in and work every day and their working, knowing that, like yes, he's gonna, so he was BC was crushed that he couldn't be remedies gotta. He had to write ahead to go through the motions, get hated emotions, so he wants to know your favorite Qatar, my favorite Qatar, like Farragut factors are my one. Favor guitar would be my arm, the homeless guitar. That's I've played throughout the last twenty some years. What kind of a what with it's a whole made. I headed professionally aid at a guitar shop and paid a lot of money for an everything about it was horrendous, not sought that would like the way was the worst guitar than anyone had ever seen or played, and through the years I just replace everything about, except the piece of wood that it We would like the car that homer designs not got a cop holder without waiting for the night, and I was like when I got mine for I was. I was making thirteen thousand hours you're the centres I was. I got my first couple checks. I put them to go into a custom design,

and sharp I'm gonna look like I'm, not a which, as you call people who make it out like, I thought I need a rose, would finger more than I need this kind of our no think it's ours in magazines, eyes out loud, I live, and so I made a really shooting attire than and then change through years intervention became the one that I have used for ever so ok, so figure favorite pick ups she's. This is like nets the than Wormhole of Nerd world for guitar, as is perhaps even if we have a question I met ones there at Mount. Steen wants to know how do you, like your guns, Ok, the our petty owes you you'd views on the bridge opposite his ears ceremony, turnip rear a friend of mine. You don't you enter golden her shrine yet entered owners, the friend of ours, who is one of the best missions are just some of the magic annually amazing, but also, not surprisingly, no he's alive.

Magician fingers, he is an unbelievable guitarists and he plays the step by the scanning Michael Hedges, I'm familiar with my aunt and Michael Hedges. I can digest some of it, but I clearly don't have the guitar now Brain Amelia Katy would process over the eye. Is that also laying it up on the sometimes it's math is here sometimes so somebody pickup wiping the e m g pick ups that are on the guitar, but I One is just so that he doesn't want to buy this stuff. Ok, it is my view that the kind of guitar you have the kind of pick up the kind of strings a kind of amplify have make no difference whatsoever. With regards to the how good the music is you make you know it, you don't tell me that when a MAC Depressed he buys guitar and maybe guitars may serve to Milieu eight your depression occurred and, as it were very many different. Thank you. I want to his place once I was less anyway thou in his eye alone,

they did so. He has had a real pseudo he always held whenever he sees a left hand of guitar guerrilla get. His questions were also wants to know what has anyone around Rebecca? suddenly my tribe. You know it's fine just, but does it click through these globally? So I have a couple of guitar questions where you what what scale or if you play when you first pick up, because our bearable variable Lyra. I feel that my or even though, is that here, bearable. It doesn't matter what I'd know. I don't know I don't play river. I play an I play. What is wanted this minor cord there, I'm sure that's so uninteresting to him That's a lie. There's really gonna plug the leak here.

A minor ok. What else is a really good is really good interview like this. Like drumming website to do with. I got some shower like you're talking to day girl about drubbing and the like, when you are doing the Phil for a song or like. I was like what was your thought process in his eye. Just in my had gone, modern drummer government drugs. I guess you know what they did, that that actually is it is. It is a big question: is it when you, when you're depletion, where that you ve been which, as you know, one of the best guitar players, the humans have to offer you How do you sort of? How do you stay passionate about that thing? get like or attire organ her. I mean, I really do look at it too. I'm I'm being funny. We were like. I do consider guitar players, one of my beloved tribes. You know it s like the one that I grew up and when I was practicing eight hours a day. It was I'm I was reading guitar. I was wishing I ask Randy roads and

then hail and the same question that having as now so I shouldn't be me: you're not gonna have mainly oriented. I might add that I think, but it, but I think I think the message to take away from that is dont worry so much about all of that shit. Just make the thing just yet make anything? Here's the ears if he wants to were he's sort of stock in the Moluccas, the fears the forest The trees answer for is his is that this guitar that I'm, that he's asked mothers, my fate one it was, it was horrible and then I tried to make it sound great and I was unable to switch the neck ten times the pick ups in time and the strings and the the put little pieces of wood dead weight on it. To give it more tall. This never sounded, gets me. Neither is apt to that. I would just like frustrated with so one day I went in there and I just I spent hours fiddling and finally gave up, and I and I mark that I got it is good, as I could scientists. I was not satisfied with it. It was

the tone I wanted, I mark the amplifier like this is the best that I can do and it's not what I want. This is a guitar and eyes and set aside I'm never going to think about it again. I'm going to use this sound and his guitar too now make music and whenever this, is is the sound that became this out of rage against machine records and audio slave records and watching records and jamming withdrew Springsteen records, and I dislike put it out of my head, like not going to chase gear, I'm not gonna chase that stuff, like that's, gonna, be locked in stone. And now it just about creating with whatever I've got to see again. That is the same message there You start raises a machine and you had tried to engineer signify for as well as you tried to engineer a thing, but at a certain point you gonna fuckin. Let should go and to start making. Yeah yeah exiting be really lonely. Lotta guitar, but you see some rate in there are those who would tour with in my gear like that amp sitting right. There's one would like this

Yet every second one like the payment aside. That's the app is you could say if you take the thing. Obviously it's got like the the knob markings are from that day and nineteen. Eighty nine, the thoughts of good around that amateur right there, that I've used those for every show, every song every or are you superstitious about that? Someone you travel over whether you like how much really not so much. I wish I could be like that. What happens if that am gets damage or stone like when Sonic use equipment was on and there like there's a bunch of stuff that was made specifically and now it's it would be bad, but it's! No! I'm not like I used to not have any good tat would, but now I feel a little nostalgic about like a couple of the guitar, as has been the main ones. I think that in a long after

dead will be mouldering in the rock n roll mollified that'll be sought asylum law enjoy it now request. Unless this ep was sitting at the table with the air with em syrupy did if it did regular there, there's probably like a pod. Now that you're, just like raging estimate irrelevant, where do you want? You know when you talk about playing with guys Springsteen? Are you too, you know like? First of all, is there anyone? that his unnerved you a little bit real like. Oh I'm learning out too much. I can tell you I mean it's. It's I mean Bruce, bringing his ike he's been a friend I'm here now, but I will never consider appear like he's the only friend of mine too.

I subscribe to a fancying about in a vertical papers to play with tomorrow. Oh shit, that I'm on the chat boards and what was the settlers tonight in Barcelona really play. He played Rosa later that's lot rather than another command Tom Atto, no man, I just pick up a guitar made a minor, So that when I it's always it's okay, it's a great honor when I went by them, but I, but it's something that it's always still very very surreal and I can't really wrap my head around. It is kind of a I mean. You know you are it's nice to know that you're! then it's nice and I think you have to leave that. Is there Is anyone now like who you liking Alec diesel find time I dont have as much my ears, not quite so. The streets like at once.

As with my than the other music I listen to most is in my toddlers. Music class Asia have been see. Spider is hot jams going around groups over the course of the last summer. I black keys I like arcade firelight, Conor, Oberst and all of his incarnations. As far as I know, in item and go see Leonard Cohen, realise all night long at the Nokia owner of heavy replacing yeah. I saw their few years analysed by show the like he's just awesome and seventy whatever he made a great record this last year. At what point- and we know- maybe this, to something that you learned from having to grow up in a sensible and adverse environment of the like pulling the confidence to like oh yeah. I deserve to be up here with brain seem like when I mean. Obviously you do, but sometimes when people in that position, they, how do you not sabotage

I've been wanting. I've been blessed with is a tremendous sense of false confidence. Ever since you probably had you to Slovakia, I mean in part, was like I was only like. I was the absence of my I went to one reading about the only my my mom and her brother and sister, I was the only child of the next generation is so I got a lot of attention and I was always like people live. To me as a kid, and I was supported as a kid, so I M from the first junior high dance that ever had the first due to ask a girl to dance with who cross that now as land with me. You know I got a terrible should actually she was freaked out. She did answer. Maybe they bought blossom in a romantic as till the black nothing rapidly went out a day, she didn't know. You were in no other way to make the dead man. That was not a lot of them for the work it does. I give course he's able to walk over there, but what's up

I, like I, there's something I've, always felt like I'm going to I'm going to step out the door and do it man like that's. I don't know where that comes out of my mouth, like my mom was like, I said she grew up when a small coal mining town, a central Illinois from which no one had ever left and she a single woman in her twenty went around the world and so this or that some, because upstairs runaways, really often she makes you often when she hears activity. She may appear at some point. Why don't you like an hour had area but accurate one, but I, but I do think that just the idea of the fact that your confident- but it's not like I'm gonna fuck and put my chest in your face. It also like there's that there's that sort of quiet competence- and I feel it is something that's good to strive for, which is really just about being comfortable who you are and knowing that hey. If I step up to a thing, I'm not gonna break

World Ryan everything's going to be okay. I try right wing Kramer's confirming its our pleasure from the embassy five. He taught me some valuable when Kramer doesn't often offer advice, but when he does you'd better listen, because it's really good advice and women, This is what I was beginning. My night watchman stuff in and I was very nervous. I was very confident playing in arenas in stadiums paying electric guitar with and obviously but singing in front of a room of twenty people was pretty nerve. Racking. An effort and rate written Wayne our plan some benefit show somewhere. I was very under rehearsed what we were going to do and I was backs aged fetching and guidance, what what what we gonna we're, not ready and wait and wait view the very calmly. The worst thing. It's gonna happen are the bad performer police, gonna come around rag us off. Let's go rocket, have got me by. He didn't install the rexrodt and inventors once and like uselessly in pizza.

I have another guy work. There is a basis for the mouse Ronnie Barnett and he is like a waiter, was in a piece of peace is a way you can eat eat before you perform his all the record, Ronnie, gonna be all right. There are we gonna work out, though, but there, but it is more, like you will vote for thousands of people and, at a certain point, there sort of faces, since you can't really see so. It's sort of like what Just a master is the throbbing mass and hopefully, all connected them at an order. But yeah, it's like you said when you, when it's just you yeah, basically, there's not much from a guy who just gets up in a room and start talking and you can see their faces. You see, reconnect Ezra for that country and also it helped with birth rate and honestly that you get up there and if you play these twelve songs, unless you all fall off the stage it's gonna get. Those people came to see those really like it might get our snapped in half it probably would Sylvia,

because those guys sombre too good. So you do you do you are covered with a having their relations with IRAN? Syria, like I know, I know what you want to see I'll give you this year I mean. Well, I mean it helps with regions machine where there's only we there's about sixteen zone. The entire cattle. If our records there, man there really good song, but then allowed you to the enemy of how and just even though I don't know you that. Well, I knew you enough to know that you're, a really sweet guy is just the thing that happened. It could cello. The crowded house was that was you guys were you play oh yeah now and then and then I think the credit House go first I'm not sure it was just crowded house enrage reprogrammed around each other as the first rage against machine show. In seven years in our home town, Yak O Festival, there was some anticipation, yet people, inside now, if you're its. If you come from sort of my world, you know Neil thin an incredible songwriter, I love crowded,

I love everything that overdone, I loved all of his soul, us up, crowded house kind of coming back. The other was a very big deal. You know their drummer committed suicide a few years back, and so a big and they ve got a bad slot, they got up and then they got a bad slot and so was crowded house. You know, Nielsen coming out in suits and playing you know: lovely crowded house melodies to rage fans who were would really eager to the other authorities, can their spot, and I think I rhetoric, I think you had made some public statement about how you just felt awful, and I knew that I really do that guy in its own. But that's not I mean you gotta blame, like his men amateur, something like a lot of all but somebody's fault for Putnam? The allusion to put up the testimonies somebody like take the plunges yeah. That was that I don't? I guess I guess, if your mate, if you're putting a festival, I'm gonna go, get credit we're registry. You know whatever one's here by large, enjoy ourselves better to how, like of like a role, a combative ban like a relic Jesus

play. It are legally vomit brigadier sack trim. Yes, I'm going to show them the business. Oh yeah, you worry- red paint came. Every man is opening for Demi Border whenever they heard prosaic. Show me them of the couple like five or six years ago is like this is the most men bad I ve ever seen like their whole videos, just like you like Satan Head, stopping. I goats knows the guide us. I went to the Guardia less now real haven't seen still found on the boar yeah there's a richer urging his own did. I I didn't know that, through their from because I was out there from Florida like a lot of metal rich because, as the sunny but there was a guy like losing his voice go region. Version tired of joy

the shape tat guy with the Slayer Back TAT, while they require the contemporary of lock up my pre rage against Mozilla, we were playing a show and in Virginia and I'm looking out at the court that whatever dim club we were playing but of course here end in club, on average anybody and looking at the window and their warehouse was across tat. You could see all like the proper names like wild Lars, but I would be remit That is what is likely to be a sharp term, but I sent for amateurs. We have to at least spend some time about talking about me being in STAR Trek because, like I mean it's nervous than I like, I want to make us. Your Laura stamp goes to tread That's it the other. You have people. I have been doing a lot so you're a star trek either, because when you will, you happy belong to do a bit, have done a million things. It's like you get so you go to the rabbit hole and you and you like over. We had Tom Hanks once it was like. You didn't ask about monsters in may

It's not like I forget users amazed ask about a lot of aggravated is like a lot of things, but so we familiar with my work in the movie insurrection zone and are now admit that you might need a laser pointed in the crowd of evil so now, but that was pretty isolate. Let's, let's argument over subjects are you? Are you reference next to an earlier? Are you a glass eccentric vanderdendur? But those are the two and it's not it's actually like it's it's like which of your children do prefer it I mean I love the I love cut would have Kurt punches Adieu, that's where the space alien. I love that live, but next generation was the one when I was spending a lot of time unemployed on the couch, watching those reruns again and again as worms its way into my psyche, in a way that I really love it, and so how did the head of the starter cameo? Yes, the the producer of stars

some have me rage against machine fan and came to me like they came at me for some something and we were like some giving run run marry at not the next o of of next year. The obnoxious Berman record. Right requirements on was arrangement and somehow we ran in some like touch football thing, and we are talking about our with what we did for life. And I was like you don't understand, like I'll sign all rage against machine shit. You want your gear, bring em Noora Hersel ride piggy back on me. While I play a show, I want to be in some star trek me like sure, no problem, so I got like the fool paramount pictures at the time all assets we're up like that there are still doing show so all of the tour of the new and the old and I've got citizen the captains,

spray off and then I was in the movie insurrection, but that it was found to be in the move. That movie, but I got a hang out for couple days on set with my STAR Trek heroes and at a time like they were really neck and neck with Bruce, brings John Lubricant, like aspires to me, So I'm there with it. You know that the people were so now make up and we're in this way it was in on our forty five minutes drive us I'm the last summer, the middle of nowhere and I'm cheery at four a m. When my makeup you know it, but I'm there, with the other people are going to make him like them for them into the worst gig they ve ever had in their life. Isn't it I got it. I just left Granada Hills, and I ought to be aware that, unlike the car, I guys what it also illustrates. That is it. You want a contest executive, you're. Really. This is so great that I go. What are you doing? You go I'm a musician and like well up without a workout during this extra worth in much of the day anonymously, and so so I'm so I'm fully geared up in my persona suit at been oak at by six thirty in the morning and the Caspian

baby, I'm sword and ripper has become a Frenchman, he's really nice and, as it introduces May and Jean Luc Picard has had about received like a briefing on me on his drive up because he's like she's gonna be someone here today. He did know much about the memories. Are interested in serve a band that was successful but had these particular politics so he's a nice channels. In my mind the other day proceeds in its Reno. It's very fine for me, not less so for my other, so not actors and their trip and because, like throughout the Dame members of the cast ends like directorate stuff, are coming up in paying a lot of attention to one percent

Miller extra me and now that other guy might like. What's up do like a lady, you gotta get out on all aware that, where the make up well, I've seen a lot of sonar through here. One guy, you just has it down it's all around the time of their lunch, break or dinner. Break like worded finally got around, and then there is they got. Libyan uncomfortably is all of mine. So now they were all in bands and they were all they all a demos in the car and they all were in the rest of their day was cut. Cause, I'm desperate, except you know, I was at voyagers. Well reopen wow, hey role, episode the good shepherd under five Zag cars boy