We're gonna, be eighty twenty point, just over ten twenty seven have you're gonna be in and around Irvine Cal. Fournier November fifteen or sixteen I'll, be at the Irvine Improv. You just find John Wayne airports if you're coming in from out of town just land right there you're an orgy counties, Good Irvine, come on out. We do under four shows. There are things to shows, predators, Yosemite and then so in December. Will click it did a here it is December twelve thirteen fourteen, albeit Tacoma, comedy club, into Como Washington, if you could already ten t, dare come slash tour. You can get info about that and the just hang out there, because we have a bunch of himself and we're gonna vintage section. Two, I handpicked haven't you been a bunch of vintage shirts that I wanted to wear and then decided. I do not have, for more bent a church, so I'm gonna put them on the site, and hopefully you will enjoy those I also want to talk about one other piece of podcast business, which is that we have been requested by

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Episode, which is willing to foe returning he was in the past years ago. Before, even though before I was aware that this be upon Castro ever talk to people other than just people who were my friends, and so he was phenomenal. He was great the first time I rose Prillie seven years ago when he was on eight years ago. Maybe this time there are so many nuggets of Willem wisdom in here that term I actually I'm gonna, go back and try to clip some out, and maybe just Postman Instagram. You know and stories, something because there's someone I wasn t what a couple times like write that down. Oh my gosh, I write that down, so I was really blown away by him and I hope- and I hope that you will be to expect that you will be as well. So yeah. Let's just get into it, he's promoting the lighthouse, which is Data and limited cities now it'll be opening wide October, twenty fifth, its beat you we call a movie directed beggars who did the which itself,

and Robert Pattinson, who are basically stuck in a lighthouse and end. The stuff that happens with them is super trippy, and its beautifully shot. So I definitely recommend that you go see the lighthouse and now there's absurd number, ten, twenty seven of the eighty ten t podcast with willow, the yes, I understand. I've already enjoyed some defer, but I I would like to enjoy seconds please thank you can't even call.

Like a nasty little room wherein here, I've never been in these things before me, neither yeah just because I think, because your press do, you must redouble our press on all sides of it. So they said, could did do it here right four put us and we work, which I hope is still here next week or the week after, because this little room is like it's a specifically like progress, recording room yeah its other bed, I dont know I would be shocked if you remember this, but maybe eight or nine years ago, you did this podcast and I came to your hotel at this

tell. I can't you your room, ok and we recorded, and you are the first guest who was not like just one friends that did the pod guess her. I was so nervous via your grades, good well with hope for good. Today, our zeros, like it was sorry. I guess I was in your hotel room and then you sat down. I was like what the fuck am I. How did I get so that when you first started yet was about uttered always maybe a year after? But up to that point it was just like all my friend other comedians acting on their own to fall, really holy shit This is serious, that's good to hear husband goals of our good yeah yeah. I'm really sorry about this Moving lighthouse went hollow to take against a she said. I know because I get asked the question and I looked it up thirty five days, thirty five days, which is not a lot innocent little I and it was a good

it was it was no fat scheduling, wasn't retro rush rush, yet who is really cool? I got to see it yeah, maybe about a week ago. Ok, how do you pick? I was trying to figure out like because I know that I know rubber Eggers also the wage gap, which was another stunning movie? How was this movie pitched too like how do you have in your private care back up its second, the which I went to see it? I know nothing about it. I saw it. I said, while whoever made this is a good filmmaker, yeah does just about the world was created and it looked beautiful and I like TAT, we dealt with the story. I thought who is this person that made this so I Madame and die. He knew my theatre, key new found work. I'm he comes from the theater and we hit it off very well, and we said let's try to find something. So I, with a little too

I'm he came one day and said here. This is what we're gonna. Do it's gonna, be you and Rob Patterson, yes or no. There was a very direct yap because You already knew. I wanted to work with them and then, once I read it, I thought you'd call very elevated language, ah fun eggs to do. I knew he could make that world. I know it would be an ventured, a film in a rough rough weather, we're gonna build them. How's everything you see in that and that movie is built awhile, yeah, yeah, really beautiful, yeah and its also in Europe ass keeper is also a he's real character. He is but like on the edge of her. So how do you keep a character like that? Who cook? Who really could like there's a chance?

maybe someone else playing that could have gone super like me when you know, but that's the way I mean he's on our type yeah. You know: One man's archetypal, none mansplain. What can I say so you are in that territory, but you're. Also in the same in your finding, and I mean that's the mask, but you also personalized that mass. Can you make it? You know four, language is very very elevate. Oh yes coded it's slang in inner, it's almost poetry, and my job, of course, is the route it

to make it work for the same. So when I'm parading him at that, but that language actually helps made because it so articulate net, so beautiful, ah, but yeah your ear hidden, some notes of familiarity, but then you are also trying to make them specific, and you know, as I say, AIDS, it's it's a mark type. It is, but it also that there is an ensemble I mean I would imagine you obviously have to trust or other actor. You have to bastard director, especially when you're doing something that you know when it's explain like ok, it's you know, there's a million ways. This could at work and probably one or two ways where this could you you really have to trust that guy, but in other relations, are so good and what happens? The story is very, very but that's not even a spoiler. I mean we can start by saying it still is old life. How light skipper an old hand and a new assistant who come to a lighthouse to serve their four weeks

of manning the lighthouse and when their there, I kind of Lord it over him, because I'm all about an old hand, I want to grow him. Gotta be a wicked like I am reality, is the term that they use for a white light housekeeper and but they don't get picked up. Bad weather comes. Thing reason harangues spoiler and they don't get picked up and then they ran out of food and they start to drank in things get scramble them dented. These are lost in futures are not, it's crazy, but how that happens is is is very specific and very detailed so that that also saved you from you know a certain

they are taking their stories, articulate even though the story is kind of classic yeah. Is it about? You think the movies isolation, it's about lots of things because of its density and because of its how complexities, I think different people are going to see thanks, I mean in the relationship that we have the two characters. The older light housekeeper in the younger, You can see shades of all kinds of things: Father son, who are a couple right- ah law, There is no way to men infer domination? Ah, you know what the labour and the non believer in two ways of living life. All those things are in the mix and different people are gonna whenever something, I think is complete, like that people are gonna, see different things yet, depending on what their interests exactly. I guess it away.

There is a little bit of a rush act ass, like whatever you, whatever inclination, your personality, has you're, probably gonna, see any number of those thing. I'd one woman going to flow to the top right. Is this is a material. I don't off is fun the right. Or is it something like? I think I know I think so, because it takes it transports you think enough is going on that you can identify, and for me I, like movies, that either make me forget something. I remember something that I forgot or take me to a place that makes me think in a different way and I think oh yeah, I never thought of that because that feeling he had always the feeling of wonder it's the feeling of being alive. It's the feeling of fun out because it's not same old same all day, and this is the rescue from the luck step in it's not always it's not always distraction, if not,

Taking your away from your life is in fact directing your life because it in a watching this you can't help but think about relationships. You can't help think about what you would do in that situation? And- and I think that that's exhilarating. Is I mean for you as a performer? Is it is this type of experience when you're working is in fun or due to speak like now, I'm in retrospect, it's fun. But when I mare it's like intense, it's fun, I've got a gun and even in our challenges are fun in. For now is miserable, whether in your cold and you're unhappy in some ways is still a little tickled deep down that year, you're getting to inhabit these actors, because you are a part of it is to this- is Europe

You'll live just so you know like dad this bullet, I gotta be theirs, but you also just sort of kind of coming off the idea of isolation, because it is a movie that movie that stays with you. Unlike who would I become a net situation? It mean right. That's really where You know like it. If people live their lives day to day- and you know rebel, to sort of maintain whatever kind of enough they, I guess facade, they want that night. But then, when you put someone in a crisis or you, I salute them, it's like their true nature happened. Did I mean this? I think I think this I mean without me and then in any one towards an interpretation. This has led to do if I done today and when you strip people's identity away and you dont give them the familiar props. That

you need to feel like they are who they are. Something else happens in something gets revealed that much closer to their true nature right, and I think that's can what happens here. Yeah and it ain't prayer was up, and you put people on top of each other and close quarters for weeks and weeks and weeks, the summit, especially if they have strong personality types and relegated

and one thing we haven't mentioned it is this is appear. This is a film that set in eighth eighteen, ninety zero, so the whole sensibility the whole way of living, thou, everything's, different and its eggs and an eye. I think it's. I think it would be so much bid. The film is really great, but people should go see it in a theater because it it's stunning to look out for smaller in black and white, but its shot every frame looks like a photograph and it even the aspect ratio is even of almost like a square. It is it. Is it beautifully shot They? They did beautiful job and when we were Hearst you now that the camera was king, because the Cinema language was already clear and they were doing things with the lenses from the third

these all these ultra laments where shooting on film it was very complicated, very ambitious, so that had to be worked out ahead of time. So, for example, we were her for five days before and normally that would be rehearsals for actors at a figure out for the amount of any kind to find their feet comfortable with each other. Now it was ass. Being too old where the camera was so we could bend are our block gang and actions and what we were interested in doing into the frame that day, had right right rise hours, I got a we had to submit to the will of the camera. That was cool because it was so beautifully.

Worked out, and I was so interested in. You know how it how it was going to look and is that pretty much when you decide to go to bed, you probably have your pick, a stuff that you could do if you wanted to wanted mean. Is that is the challenge the thing that drives you is it. I think I could bring something to this role. Is it the people like Woody? How do you pick now pick? It's always a mix of but a very central is in oh, you spend a lot of time with these people. They better spy you and they had better like being around them. Yeah now and I asked said, I was really attracted to you know what Robert He was doing and then run and when I heard Rob Eggers wanted him to do it. I thought that was at that was cool. It was good casting we. You know it would be fun to work with him,

and just everyone on the site, because they were all there. They ve Rob Eggers worked with. Basically a lot of the same people. That he worked with on the which, though it's like his team. So I think I am attracted situations where this strong director, with very particular vision and part of my job, is to inhabit that vision to find out. You know to help them do what they do doubt I become a creature for them. I become an extension of them, and part of the creative thing is to go towards their vision. Make it my own in in the respective make it mine as well and then be the manifestation of that right. So that's it! That's a cool job to have, which is a lot different than what

people think, and that is that you play a role to interpret something. I want to have an experience right. I will never experience. I want learn something and I want to learn what's in your head and then be that thing in your head and when you make that shift that feels like creation right that feels like your you're having an experience that expands, you expands you not in egotistical way, but expands you in contact with them. What you love Ryan's, what is really what is in a much stronger way, then you might, if you're, just working with what you know or what you need to express right? It extends you. Take someone else's point of view. Someone else's impulses, someone else, what they're interested in and make your own. What happens if you have a shift.

It's interesting to hear you say the thing about, because I I I think it was variant general be not an initiative go away to expand, because I am then aided by the allure of the ego, and I talk about it, but probably at the great boredom of people whose into me talk about it because, but I do think it's one of that. It's just for that. Weird, human, maybe lizard brain thing. That's we'd contend with a lot in Ireland and ass we get older. We start to did discover some duration from it. We don't have to do everything. It says we don't have to be. You know enslaved by our own egos, and so I was wondering who say that, because I do you find that that cause, I think, you're a yoga per guy, if I'm not mistaken, and is that has not been helpful to you and how, you have you navigated, that in Europe, in your own life problem

I met a lazy, slaved your idea of identity and ask why exactly kind of reaching out well. I have this great job where I get to play around with it The irony is that, in the end, your job is also well. You know in yourself a fake. He sure it is, but that that that also hold your feet and fire right, because it really forces you to deal with that. The idea of year branding yourself, but are you try to resist that? You try to resist that by playing different roles and and being in different kinds of situations sure. So I think it is one of the

the essential things for an address to be flexible right and that that mean range and versatility alt and it just means ready to accept. Ah, you know not to be rigid right not to be have one way. Always for each project find your way in a new way right. I think he has led by when people talk about a method or a particular way of working. I dont subscribe to that and the truth is, I think, most people don't write. Reservations differently every characters. Different is you. I saw motherless Brooklyn to his young girls on the package. Companies go end quote was your great in the end it you know, your characters do seem to have, even when they are a bit on hinges as he was in moments. There is a centred this and certainty, I think about

you as a performer and what you're doing and cultural- and I assume that's just the Willem of you're a guy like that part of your soul, was the connective tissue. Do you feel that way? Do you feel like a pretty grounded certain person? I don't know I don't know, but I think one thing that I think of when you talk about that is the other day was doing a talk with someone and there he said something about clarity and actors is important, and I never hear that- and I think TAT was that's very true and that clarity ass. They do, with being being with what is and when you're doing actions being committed in a way that you're not distracted,

getting ahead of yourself. You're, not thinking about the effect you're really putting yourself in that action, and then just the nature of the swirl of things is. Telling you what the next step is rights almost like nature and it is, is participating in a way that you never could, and if you try to harness that too much you squelch, what's careful about impulse? Oh my gosh, absolutely no amendment yet so I was very lucky that the way I started performing was with this company, the Wooster group, and it was a theatre company that was made up of poets musicians, architects and it wasn't a theatre of fear of people rough it and the,

which was much closer to dance and that you everything you did was seen as Pask as task and also the technicians and the actors. Kind of switch job sometimes at does were like technicians and technicians were like actors there. So there was a pragmatism and, and the kind of devotion to the structure that you'd right and then you had to find a way to live inside that structure where often in people's perception of actors? It's all about emotion and invention? The truth is that's not where its ass. For me, I it's about receiving an in allowing things to happen. And do you feel that that principle is applicable in our lives being able to receive and allow things to happen without trying to control outcomes and control, haven't think

I think you're full of you think you can control that, but you can't control how you think about things. Yes, that you can. Yes, that is very good slash stoic value, a kind of idea. You see that idea in so many different philosophies, yeah now ever versions of it yeah Actually, I guess I'm showing my yeah blow monsieur, but now you know I'm I'm who is interested in in where You know what the bottom line is. Where all you know, religious thought, spiritual thought, creative thought connects and as I get older aids, in my imagination, I think it's all connected saw the same thing. It just expresses itself. Rightly absolutely so. I think part of you. My work is, being aware of and cultivating an understanding of. What is that thing that makes us human

I mean I imagine it yet I let the dilemma is what our strategies are, what to avoid and what in a keeps us alive, rather than a sleep, well yeah. But I think it is also finding that balance between arts and crafts between you know little living freely but having to live within a structure and that that balance, I think, is you know it's is to me it's sort of the grey cosmic comedy of the universe, because I feel like by the time you really start to figure it out. It's like you, ve, already limited homeless, invigorate onto you live alot Elster. So how are you comfortable sort of talking about your yoga practice at all? I'm not so much. I consider like two in a way it. It's feels like you too. If, if people have the practice, they have the practice,

they don't you're talking about something like you have something they dragged on Russia, sure, yeah sure? Now it's important man. I recommend ass in the practice Danny one you know, just as there are benefits for your house for your peace of mind fur and taken inventory of how what the relationship is between your body in your mouth yeah yeah, but I don't feel comfortable because its practice, its practices yeah it's a personal thing, sure sure, but in inasmuch as we grow and try to learn how to be. How have you like what tools

you learn for. You know letting go when you feel your brain trout grab on while Israel SIMPLE and make it real simple. I've been practising in pretty much every day for the last twenty five years. You and that's something that I do every day. That's like a ritual like a devotion and that's a place that to order an end to connect- and I feel like I when I do that feel like my work- is not a very ambitious. The striving kind of my south is kind of exhausted in loud and then the rest of the day is like fun. In advance. I gotta work. That's a great, that's really great way to think about it to occupy the busy part of your. But having said that, I also wake up every morning and they say the heart

ass enemies drawing out the man is really true. I I thought that man like tat but every day every day, but at an end also when I finish practice every day I say I'm good. I feel good young, so imagine doing that every day it it routes of course, it wrote you and it's like I'm ready for any whether our annual yeah yeah that's great, because I which unites us I'd like to know what they re doing within reach. Those lose my cell phone. I like that. I'm gonna Daisy, like anyone else course, of course, but it is. I think it is good when people have a ritual, that

quickly you're saying to yourself. I am worth this, and even just that gifting yourself, that every day making an effort towards Europe, physical or mental health every day does, I think, have deeper lasting effects, because you would have to be coming from a place of self love and confidence if you're willing to give yourself that every day and put in the work when you don't feel like doing it and also with repetition, you say: ok, I'm one breath closer to the end right again, absolutely so it's a good. It engages certain cannon meditation on one. You know existential things in a very practical way sure, but I think it's also funny that we the other thing that it says is like you know what your brain tells. You isn't always necessarily the

thing for you don't deny it today and bad get here. What do you do? I'm fact culturally, where we're so pushed too Get everything now you can get everything we want and we are told that we can. If we try, the price all we got to beat that striving and- and we got to beat that now thing, because usually now things of things that aren't good for us in the end and the things that are hard for us now are usually the thinks it good for us in the right, so we got it asked backwards here now and and that's a big challenge it is, but I also wonder you know it's not that I think the universes ascension being but hypothetically, if it were those great rewards that you're talking about that would almost be the test.

Of the universe. If you can overcome this, then you will receive these rewards and, if you'd give in to the those kind of you know temporary distractions from that path, then you get that life. You know. What do you think is a good way to balance like what's healthy ambition. What do you think is healthy, ashen, good question. I think that's individual, I don't know yet. I think you know when you ask that question the only thing I think about it. You have to keep a balance between. Ah tween going for you now making an effort and reflection. I guess I'm an amber You know when it's too strong you're, not there anymore you're, always looking too much

and the reward or where you wanna go right and if we are to slack you never get your feet put to the fire, because you're kind of two reflective and you're not dumb taking anything more and that can lead to a certain kind of neurosis. Rail I mean it's individual, that's just the way, I think about it right, I'm very ambitious person you know, but I also recognise that ambition makes me sick sometime through I mean makes me not well, because, you are looking for, where you're going to much and it's the old story, and now it's like a making the trap and means

interested in and taken taken their photographs at the sites. On experience, that's you yeah, I mean I I dont remember me: Nicky bring up is not artist, but I but I, but I read it and I listened to it and I because I find it beautiful in you, know the simplicity of it, but the idea of releasing expectations at the expectations sort of being a path to frustration at what I call we think about is a goes back to your experience. What your true experiences in you know. Those expectations are usually created by other people and your gloaming onto them, because they give you a recipe for happiness that your accepting in our yeah. That's that's. That

that you got a bait and now trying to wrestle his back to acting and all this I'll say that that's that's one! In the pleasures you tried to take different points of view, so you can kind of destruct you're you're, the one that you ve. Yeah sure yourself sure. If so, it's always that it's an opportunity to disappear. Disappear into someone else's experience right? The irony is to find out what your expanding it says. It yeah yeah, but you, but because you have this with the Wooster Company itself, it sounded. Very I mean I had it I'm than there are many many and I was twenty seven years with that company, and I think that really shaped. You know how I thank him. How I approach making things yeah, because I would imagine that is ape solid ensemble there there it's it's a group of young people,

There's two people that were there when I was there, but everyone else is dead because I was just a while. I moved on, because I was the youngest member of that group. When I joined yeah, are you still Are you still looking at theatre projects? I do I mean I've worked with Bob Wilson, Robert Wilson, a couple of times and really beautiful major pieces and aroma accustomed church. I worked with their Richard. Foreman was no longer making theater, but those are all people that there are giant my mind yeah. What are you looking to do? Do you have you have your twenty.

When he planned out already or due to sort. It takes twenty twenty do say that and I think very good at the October. I know we're in the future no different. Ok, I get it twenty twenty listen! Yeah! You know I go. There was a time where never liked to plan too much. I had a time because I was always afraid, involved in the project and then, when I get what I think I don't really want to do this now, but things take care of themselves things don't. Come together too much in advance. I mean my by what I see so much is wrong surround work, untiring work, that's where, as where I live, I like I like to work yandah

it gives me a lot of pleasure and it's still a lot of fun. So that's that's what I think about when you talk about twenty twenty, I think about how I want to do this, then I want to do that to take time off to you do now. I time off happens naturally got it right now, I'm not well! Actually. I was shooting yesterday but Norm LAN right now. In this period, I'm not shooting feature right, I'm doing press for these. These movies coming yeah so that its work. But it's like time off your mind. It's allege now! I D. Because it's it's happened, kind of organically unity on its part of it, and it's like playing a role. I guess that's true right, but like look right like right now we're we're talking where we ve got

things we want the things we're interested in when mixing it up. So it's it's creative, so I don't judge it and say: oh man, I'm really an actor, and I'm not here to now. You know tat the bang. The drum for this thing, but the truth is I like this movie for it, sample and I wanted to get out there and I'm in joint talk and you are created out of it. You know it's like I don't I try not to be down on anything there is there. They're gonna make our on of course. Yes, but that's it that's a good attitude, because it it can be tedious because sometimes will become actors because they don't want to have to talk as themselves. They like portraying other characters and they like exploring that ends it seems funny to me that we live in a time where there's so much media and so much of having to talk as yourself in so many performers are on so

media in their target? You know it's just like a whole eleven access, not limit. Where do I can't imagine it, but I can see why that fund for something which is not how my life is built yeah, but if you really, it should be done because it's fun, but I I definitely think there's a pressure not like you have it, you gotta do it because you gotta, but also like I do it also because I want to I mean I want is to go well. So I have opportunities if the future Coronel and also, if you make beautiful la movie. You like to share it, not for not, so you

and become king of the world, but just it feels like a positive thing like a contribution and it's you can never call it yours, because it's a collaborative thing sure I'll. So I can talk about the lighthouse yeah. I I can talk about other people. I had a good time on it. You know I mean I'm proud of it. It's fun in eight people appreciate itself, then than the promotional makes sense here and also does hearing you talk about that ceramic realise like it's not just mine, it's a group of people, but then once that group makes a thing it put up in its that there is any more than it becomes the audience and ends up for interpretation. Yon it has its can have all kinds of life. As that's one thing have saying you know like really Add movies can be successes and really good movies can get lost in oh yeah, so once gets out there how it gets out, then that's a whole other thing. Yet again that is also about just relinquishing control, because you have no control over the timing of when something comes out how it

Can you do what you can you know you you exercise whenever a choice and power you want you now you can have. Is there do you particularly identify with either one of the characters as as an audience member, not as you who play? Is there one that you die debt if I was a little bit more in the movie just cause. I play them. I think my game and I have been easy to dock anyway. You know it's like the one guy's, an old guy, the other guy's, a younger guy. You now. I think I just work identify with the guys. You know station in life yet more. I was a young guy I'm not anymore, you know, but I know, but at the same time I think you're not So one of these guys, that is deluding thinking, is twenty two years old than that. For my part. Yet so you got it.

Gotta quantity or other. I gotta you really you Europe. Air million scored in that area. You must feel good about that now. I should be thankful for any Good news, but it's you know this. The thing it's fun to watch about these two guys is that their both I mean pretty much full of shit from the store. That they tell each other and obviously you when I try it was nice to because you're not sure what strewn what's invention and what what the strategy, and how they work trying to work on each chair. So you know it's as complex as a Bergmann family, whereas the right, you know people's interactions with himself yeah, I think truth is a good word, because it is not only are you trying to work out what's true between the two him, but even Eggers kind of fucks, with the audience a little bit about? What's what true about what they're watching eschew it's too yeah

Do you think that truth is one of those things that just if you stairs strong enough yet elastic like in this case No do I know in this scene, whether its real or whether its in their imagination it don't matter because in the planning of the same, it's rail right, so you play that yeah. Have you referred? directing or not really. I mean I still him so I have allowed fine, I'm stairway it so Farming is so mysterious in some ways and so familiar in other ways that die. I enjoyed being a performer, nine joy, patching myself to a director and like doing their bidding Ryanair inhabiting something where it simply comes down to a director watches in the actor does right.

I'm more like a little kid that way in all its think of Tom sire. You know, you know the painting the feds exactly like I'm the guy. If it wants to take offense but now because that's what I like to do, you know and damp yeah and I'm in I also mean the director you. I think you have to be low more responsible than I like to be about what stuff means because you, after he or she, has to direct the ship. You know because these gets they ve got the responsibility of all. These people and they ve got the responsibility of the money. I mean I'm responsible, but somewhere deeply, I'm not responsible for what stuff means. I'm responsible for the truth of what I am doing right right, that's a great way to put it, but also inasmuch as each director, some directors might say, painting

it's exactly like this and other directors Miko, you know, paint the fence or don't or paid out in our good with thy than you are really. You are here because that's the world I mean you know, I don't think, there's one way and- and I mean trusting that that different things are drawn out of you with different in directing styles indifferent and derive different intentions for a movie. That's why I think I'd like to mix up not be a little shall offer. I'm I'm I'm not board, I'm not an easily board person at all. So I'm not doing it. Just justice be titillated. All the time it really, I feel. He has more useful in hours more possibility for for being awake and challenged and challenged in a way that

you know it's from me. It so much about the quality of engagement, the quality of engagement, of what you're doing whatever it is whatever it is, and then, outside of that, once you get down engagement that in its its complete, then you can go all different kinds of places. I think that to achieve that, engagement use, in other words a few minutes ago. Curious, yeah curiosity is a great way to enhance engagements yeah. I think I'm still curious. Well, that's good! I mean it. It's or I'd. Tragic cultivator encourage curiosity cause this whole idea of you no getting away from your

rigid playbook of who you are and what has to happen. That, and I think that's the thing. That's for me. That's the! If you can beat that, then you can live, you can live a full life and you know I'm like a guinea pig. You know when I'm in these stories and how I'm there, how alive I am is my contribution and itself is because his personal cuz, I want to be awake, but it's also if I can find that way to be alive and people can, you know, be with me in that, then it it's useful to sure, because it elevates all of us yeah. That's why you tell stories that you know hopefully will illuminate or make something clear or inspire and to be part of that,

you, get someone you two year. So yeah I'm a crusader, thereby gentle and then the other part is if you, if you get, two tied on that, then you do become. You know demoniac to serious. So then you go alone. Where then you gotta go back the other way sure and as when you gotta before jokes, and that's that That's when you say that the funniest thing in the world is shit, you know that's heart of it. Yeah, that's part of its all part. It doesn't have to be one of the other, but the. But the rigidity, I think, is really important, because the rigidity place said that basic survival instinct that I think we have of safety in wanting to you know like it. So we

humans want. We want predictability, but also we crave unpredictable at the same time with you, yeah, and so that what you know when, when your brain is kind of saying like Bill, I'll stay rigid stay, save even in a lighthouse like stay, Safe board up the windows, you know, in writing that I urge a lot of it? Is you know my characters, a believer, and he did these dedicated his life to this activity and other guys like a slacker. That's the attention from the beginning, Now the guy's not coming forward he's is not really gettin with the problem he's not a believer. That's where it starts there would we want king dailies, while you were shooting or do you know- you don't do not not not usually, unless a director wants me to look at something, but normally I dont think you should because

We are here you're pulling your punches than you're you're thinking too much about the result, and also, if you like what you say it doesn't help. You regret it. If you don't like what you see, it doesn't help you right cause. It can either make you fall of yourself and get you give your anxiety about continuing in that mode. Sure or you can lose your confidence. You can say all this looks terrible and I know for a fact, sometimes things that are look terrible, that look terrible or have problems. They can sometimes be turned and other things you know you're not just by being post, but you know you don't always now right right. I am always impressed, particularly when you making stuff the stuff that you worry about his neck with him.

Have you surfing running about our sovereign try to be to controlling right now? I think so much ass to do with it sincerity and I'm not talking about a rigid sincerity but a sense of purpose and in how you're in gauging began I grant using that word. But that really said I contact contacted that's really about something in right. That's not pointing to something it's! It really is demanding to deal with. What's in front of you right right, but engagement also requires being a part of something at being connected to something being connected to people being connected to

ideas, rather than being a sort of just stuck in ourselves, and that's why you know that's a nice thing about making films to its social. You know- and I think some were deeply- were such social animals that fur and this this desire to relate and share experience and express experience is very strong. So I think there's something in me

think it's, because maybe I grew up in a big family. You know that sense of community that sensitive relating right- it's not you, know it's a it's about expressing yeah yeah now expressing your experience, yeah, but also I mean I like, unlike gum, quote Skellenburg time from us, for he says he said, sir insect insects communicate humans express that's a great way to think about it because of your communicating or, if you're, just saying things you're really just in a way kind of just talking about yourself, as opposed to listening in expressing in connecting right, but they are not all about function right right, there's four, as yeah there's absolutely form, but I think that actors at such an interesting lifestyle, because you worked with

for thirty five days. You work in close proximity to all these people, you form of very sugar. Basically, you know it's it's a community that has an exploration day on it. It's a young and so nomads it's in a way yet, and so you, you open up, become very vulnerable to this very small group of people. Time and time and time again do do you ever it is it s more than when you think about supporting all that was really nice. Where people are. I fucking I really like that group, but who s time two like. How do you stay connected when you're constantly? Can you probably don't cause you're onto the next thing? Of course everyone this busy is always more wrong. You now you feel like you're in the foreign Legion yeah, yeah yeah. I guess so yeah I, but I like that. I like that. I mean do. You are either people that you still stay in contact with, or is it just one of those like AL? You run into something to go. I really would have led to that guy and then to yours. Go away, go fuck! I still never saw that guy that happens yeah, but that happens also because I traveled some mature work cause us

I don't know how well you know my filmography, but I'm I'm lived it and have impressed upon having a different places have shot. I travel around a lot, absolutely Jim, it's hard to maintain. So you know relationships and and social contact right. Ah, you know when, when you're not in the same place, sure so what you described now, I'm in York much last as I'd Meriden, Italian and I live in Rome. Some I'd still live in New York as well, but between work and having to places that I live. I it's amazing that I can knows there is no someone fairly well that also works and travels on that, and I won't see them for five years right and I still feel connected to him. But time goes I feel like a month and then when you're my age, if their older than you particularly

you miss five years in its like shit, you're out loud, your home many young better, not be another five units, one night, when my favorite unless dictation. Maybe this is too I already like Britain now, but that is its it's in a flash back, not a flash flash forward sequence when they're all old yeah in a fantasy secrets and dumb someone says now, I'm gonna blogging said Don T done matter who said so, but they say What happened and someone says we can hold yeah, of course, and it and just knowing that for as long as I am I did, I did not do that. Where does quoting after you don't have to perform it, but it. But it's it's the idea that

how unique we feel, no matter how unique our problems feel, no matter how like oh, but no other time is like this time. It's like the same things repeat over and over new. You know you you talk about that or you. You know stuff that Marcus Aurelius wrote two thousand years ago and you love to happen yeah like fuck it what it's all the same stuff, we're just always dealing with the same stuff over and over again that to love to happen, that market surveillance that's a marks, or, as did you read me, read meditations than you read all of the when I was young by how I read the day when we really is my meditations Xilai working, I love my wife and I and if we want to ITALY in May, and it's just stunning, absolutely stunning robe adieu, Do is Rome, your favorite part of ITALY or not use where he was where you live yeah, but do you travel to other parts as Italians travel yeah in there

country and and and elsewhere, but then birthing body- lay as you gotta remember their younger country than we are I would certainly not have ahead until that time, pretty much of our civil war right. When you look at it, you think o this innovation is. As I get to know. Italy morning I drive linearly more. The regional differences still quite too they are now in terms of when I first started learning Italian. Sometimes I take my wife guy, I can understand them and my wife would say we learn because he doesn't speak italian right and I too, I still can't imitate my

I added I should be able to get. Are they going to live like I'll, be able to judge? But I can't do it good italian, but anybody particularly acute imitate. My wife is really a very lively, remarriage Mademoiselle arrived, but will say yes because he done speak, good, italian and he's italian. We now because he used to speak dire, yeah, yeah, so all the regional differences are really interesting, which is great because you know their culture gets their local culture gets preserved. So food is different from you know. Different areas and I love travelling within ITALY as well. Yeah I'd speak Italian asked what he sees this year, but we all know that the auditors around at about it. I think it s going to be so. Ok but bouquet

eleven. If Amelia Danny ANA Light, like a business monopoly, a color ass, a sea no, no, no, no! No! No! No! No! I learned all university that can meet the yacht, uniting history known no. No just out, though, but gave me Biagi, and, and so we went to ITALY and I had the same exact experience everywhere and that we get to Venice and are like okay. So there's it the regional italian here, but there is also venetian which- and I was like venetian- was wholly separate, preserved You know is very particular very particular, but its being you know from America. Where I mean you know the original differences, but their flattened, how they live their flannel out and also the ito, because our culture as a whole is just not his old.

Like I imagine, will be a day like five hundred years, where, if you go to the south to be like, what's that guy sand alone down, you know it's all going to be, but just in terms of like you know, because, unfortunately, the colonization stamped out the actual indigenous history that was in the silent but you go to ITALY and its it's so mine blowing to see this building was built in the fifteen hundreds and under their that road is two thousand years old, crazy, yeah right. Have you in Rome? Have you been to the cryptic approach and monks I have? It is what that was one of the most stunning experiences I've ever had. What what's even better is in Palermo as a place where, in all these people that some of these mommy's because and they were preserved, I and their separated by profession, because that was the way too

You know that was like a thing of status, so all the lawyers are with the lawyers sex and the doctors in this section and how, when they're all in these caves still there and because the embalming in preserving way to preserve them, was different in each place. Some are very well preserved and some are falling apart. Oh wow, it's it's pretty wild. I think you know my way I forget where the scum, but I but improved, but in Palermo, Palermo in Sicily, my wife and I, like you know we just like what would be additionally considered macabre things. We I you know, but I wouldn't, but I wouldn't encourage anyone who hasn't been that it's not macabre all it's really beautiful, because it it's it's a way of expressing the site.

Momentum Morey, where a year it because there's a quote in the first in the first tomb that essentially says. Where you are we once where, where we are, you will, but that's a little too. Much to the point dignity as a month. One thing I like the last thing about this: these this cave in Africa, I could remember the name of it, but this thing that some of them are perfectly preserve, there's one of a little girl called love them facing Andy. They go there. It's she's highlighted because she so she looks like a corpse from yes. Perfectly preserve yeah when there's other ones like that lawyer of sure is,

Linda laughs, then ass now tell us that there are certain my brothers- and I am I, my brother- all- have the moves. Listening, we'll get a season doesn't get to cease and letter. What what's your because will definitely go back to again. I have family there everything, but what's your favorite part of Rome where I live, I love my neighborhood yeah. Do you live in a real? old, old or like smoking, those traditionally, oh yeah. What do you say it about now like what is were in general sort of what brings you. What brings you joy like? What's a simple joy in your life, making things with people that, unlike young people

inspire me travel and then, after you do this, is it onto something else right away yet not not immediately. I have some things to do, but the I've got some things planned for next year: cool core good, good projects, good good yard. I am even catch me crime today, that's? Actually a good. I feel like that that someone should take that enable the mile under social medium. You catch me cry internet, because, basically, what that says it's like I enjoy what I do. She had hung upon dumb stuff, but what's the what's the point of it? You know and went out You don't like to brag I this Riyadh. Why don't they gets? You know it's not you. I gotta How can I braggadocio, I nigh Johnny and I like to talk to you and I would say this is fun, but at the same time I think what the hell am. I doing

shut up now, you're an actor people should only now you through your character, of course, and and you if they know anything about your personal thoughts, You know in rice aid, you don't take em, ask her or low reduced. I always say I get the name drop here is is tat. We see you too, since Aaron in interviews, you should lie a lot more, it's more fun and protect. It Then you will be able to keep track of. All of this is true. Not only a liar is a lot of work. Is a lot of work like, and I am now. If I snake I don't eat it anymore, but I remember once I snuck a bunch of prosciutto cause I'm vegetarian, but I snuck bunch of pursuing a suitcase wants I'm such a natural, the guilty person that I'm gonna get caught. Gecko is like that.

By their willing, devolve, arrested for prosciutto thievery right serving time now, but, but also, I would imagine the personal stuff to you. Just it's important for you because if you allow yourself to be consumed by public life than there's, nothing left for you well in my work enough them public life where I live, I mean I'm doing. Publicity now sign I'm chatty and none, but that's not my normal day to day. Well, I just I can't thank you enough for, for, for They come in here and checking and getting to be a jedi such a nice time. We lament the fact that there may be retained my great grandmother legged. So if you are attacking- and please forgive me if they feel that does not sound without the sunlight. Super Mario as an I'm italian, knock that citizenship yeah. I like it. Oh, you did I there, like hey and when people Simeon Robson tempting did you hear that

do you like ITALY and like a battalion, get you Randal argue that wrap your brain around right will. Thank you so much milligram fini the garage I e attendees incomplete.