This is jack. Podcast number one. Thirteen were there Charles in me, Jack a willing good evening, echo good evening. I instantly lifted my em for as my eyes scanned the terrain above us I knew without looking that John and the other guys we're moving as soon as my weapon came up. We know took off at a dead sprint. Indeed, appeared twenty feet to our left seconds? Afterward screen came from the area I forward scanning the environment. As I moved wanting to to re knows aid as soon as possible, but unwilling to leave behind my tactical sense. I heard Three shots ring out as it Alabama fighter tried to exit the shallow caught that they had been hiding in his companion. We're locked in a fight with Reno. The dog was destroying his opponent, blood, quick, the covering the man's close called Reno out of the fight in school

doff several rounds as the man reached for his weapon. We quickly search the area before moving on our pace, quicker than before, but gunfire for sure had given away our position. Legs and lungs burned. The elevation taking its toll as we finally reached our destination sitting, on the edge of that mountain waiting for a ride. I looked back at the last few hours. I padded rhinos head ice tonight, he saved my life twice I owed him yet another debt of gratitude. His he shivered slightly as a cold wind, in to him now, more moving the cold settled quickly. I pulled off coordinate wrapped the minute pulling his. Howdy against mine to keep warm tonight,

saved my life tonight he had saved my brother's lives and that is a little excerpt from the book. Trident canine warriors my tale, from the training ground to the battlefield with elite a vcr canines by MIKE Ritalin, seal who ended up working with Doc. Training, dogs and events Starting a company called Tripos International that trains dogs for for the most elite forces in the world, and that was an excerpt that was from an operator talking about one of the dogs that MIKE had trained in MIKE's written to other books. Besides try to canine warriors. He also wrote team dog and

Davy seal dogs, which is a book aimed at teenagers, and tonight we are lucky enough to have MIKE with us on the podcast to talk about how the hell he ended up doing what he is doing. So my greatly welcome aboard, its both of pleasure and an honour to be here appreciate him. So we always have to where you started tell us a little bit about Waterloo, Iowa, tomorrow's world. Spots. Rugg s it sets a good place to be from not a whole lot happening, and I was honestly is why part of the reason why I got in the dogs cuz they're, if there's not a whole lot else going on rustling, obviously is huge and ILO, and I, the the pleasure of grown up during the gable era of ILO rustling in my dad rustled, with down gable in high school and so in a being kind of

ingrained in that culture growin up, even though I never rustled because ear, he can hardly walk in a so beat up from he, he swam, and so all of us swam long story short still part of my life, but the sort of growing up gonna having that mentality ingrained was was a big big proponent of where I'm out today and why I got involved in both an avian and dogs because of the appreciation, for you know for that mentality, in terms of Waterloo. It's a meal, suburban town, seventy thousand people, and say lower middle class, probably lot influence Chicago Milwaukee, Saint Louis, pretty pretty rough high school grown up there was it wasn't the best of times for me, but they taught me a lot of hard lessons above pursued

Darren Sano doing things even when you don't want to do them and and facing things that you're not not too willing to be comfortable with facing, and then things of that nature and- and on onest one demon and influenced by my grandfather's in terms of their service in world war, two and and just always want to make an impact in terms of serving my country. I know I'm a little younger than you, but for me out and junior high when the First Gulf WAR broke out and scared scared. The crap out of me Four years later, I was like: where do I sign up that that progression. Just in that couple your period does is crazy, but but it you know those those eggs answers and Sansom some terrorist activity as a young get grown up really really no different than then how it shapes know the guys were constantly going against in the in the generations growing up, which has a huge impact, but from a recruiting standpoint, but but yeah I mean

This is something that blue collar town patriotic grandfathers were were pipe hitters in world war. Two what they do more water smile my mom's dad was ANA Minesweeper, the Navy twas, a cook strata, as regards the current, but he was just a cook, but he use on a fleet of my. Sweepers is ninety eight and the fleet in the Mediterranean, and then a two of them came back and he was on one of them. Dad dad was in the army, he actually this tells you how times have changed here. He beat out in English, allied soldiers to death in a bar fight somewhere in Europe. During the war, just sent him home and discharge them. You know, but I didn't. I didn't know him real well and I met him a couple of times. You had a pretty rough rough go, you know after the war and then I was basically an alcoholic, and I only saw him two or four times. Maybe

on tap for a die, but the but my mom's dad is. It was a huge influence tonight, but I talked with him. A lot of OZ was fascinated by his stories and in his out lookin, and just now he wasn't wasn't averse to talk about it, enjoyed talking about it yeah, just those very inspiring, and it made me want to serve me of always leverage MIDAS. Visions and life on home and make the most bang for my back and get the most out of every decision, and I felt like it was my I turn to you know, carry the torch for a little bit how'd you about the teams, I was apart mechanics article that I read when I was in like ninth grade, and I was the first time I've ever heard of it, and it showed you no like to me like one at one of the things that I think it's a lot of us is saying that it's it's actually the toughest military training labour by Defarge Lomna GO. Do that for sure

so I was part of it, but Yeah man? I read that out of that, and that was at a time when I was getting you know, I got to get rolled up pretty hard a few times in high school that John yeah. You were talking about that in your first book. Yeah you got rolled up a couple times and beat down I was, I was a run in high school, like my freshman euros, five four hundred five pounds, that's funny and then I was gonna happen to juniors and senior just Nina waylay and on me in a united at an how much more chance there, but do you know and even when I graduated, I was the same height. I am now await one forty When I had my first First idea in the Navy has one forty five five eleven so yeah up put on you're bound, so did you did? You do die fair program or anything like that? I didn't I when I die originally try to be a common at that time. Mrs ninety, six there, like our pretty heavy on Corpsman, picks up mouse, knows about it

Dell. Specialist knows I I want to I essay school right out a boot campaign, in my graduate ice gloves seventeen still side to wait until I turned eighteen Luke Camp went to boot camp in August. I essay school and checked in the buds in spring of ninety seven knows the youngest youngest guy in the class. And a whole mole deal, then what did you way then? I worked out pretty heavy in a school. I got up to about one and fifty five, I giant I'd. Never see pictures of the postal weaken first phase like Alex. It is broke out with owes nothing to me but I read one: seventy five! When I showed up the final one hundred and seventy five in a good way to one hundred and eighty five, when I graduated but put on ten lb,

yeah do the same. If I weigh one hundred and sixty five, I think if you're a little bit scrawny, I know one hundred and seventy five might not sounds funny, but I was out of it was pretty scrawny one hundred and seventy five, and then they did put a little meat on the bone. As I say, you can eat water I would order a diamond cheese pizza, accurately speech in just about every night at a site, similar ritual. Remember the country stored here so At the end of every day after dinner, I would go to the country store and there's a little Mcdonald's next year, you'd get somebody get a core of honor which ease value meal, any tat, a box literally a box of ten meal cream by Anna sixty four ounce, wetted gator aid. Every now and Wolf that down no prob again, like eight pounds, the the thing is, it asked TAT somebody about this. You know you run the child and act every every. You, you run the child, it's a mile there, that's a mile back and you go

three or four times a day for because somebody got midnight so that means you're running between. Sixty miles every day, before you even include any of the actual training. So you don't allow physical activity, you can eat a lot done, especially that age to area is right and then a couple of being cold most of the day. That's true your burden on what you Vernon for collars. It's a massive amount of countless gotta, be ten Kepler, yeah yeah. I didn't think about the cold part. You are you just called all the time. Just a hammer, calories away, do you know it buds and and you you're, a swimmer right. I was one of those people who talk about like swimming was for you is a super, easy actually know. I got I got rolled. I started with two fourteen. I got rolled six days before honest acrimony, island for swims,

lose out by that. Well, so the here is that I pinch my cyanic nerve at that Logan I do and land have you not a loser. Scientist sailed everything, but let us Canada combine don't like not got rolled for. Swims is the first thing that I failed. Three of the failed everything after Laguna Cosette with with the injury but I will say that cuz. I grew up and I will like it that my first time in the ocean was it buzz. Like me, I'd been with knee high water at cocoa Beach on spring break or whatever, but I've never been out past the servant never swam at night, and I freaked you out little bit, minerals, just gonna like an over over stimulus type thing, but for me. You know not having a black line to look at in oh and having a guide off the coast. You know it was a bit of a challenge, but that for me the biggest thing is actually swimming with fins,

as you know, what that's a good point: the casket point, people it's totally different muscle yet le in your note, from from having Simon, I grew up when I was from five until now graduate high school and I had a partial scholarship, offers you notice and local colleges for four slimming and and the for me. It was to state, and indeed all right, but you went to state and up all right, but oh sure so growing up with that muscle memory of how to swim without ever using funds were not the first I put those on those duct feel like two by fours. You know I'm going to just destroyed my ankles, especially being kind of scrawny anyway, so for the first phase, like my feet and ankles were just destroyed the whole time you know like for me it was hard I am an Emma I could pass, but I wasn't by wasn't the other guys out an affront just

go back and colonel haven't found. Who were those guys? I mean there's some Olympics former Zaire, water polo players yeah. I had a couple. Those guys were. I just thought these guys are just studs, but they were swimmers here. That's why I figured you'd breathing through the swim. Still no mean, are you know it? They didn't didn't bother me, you know, but I was middle, the road. I wasn't those bone, anybody onawandah thank for them. Some of it is one. I will we're, probably a little behind the power curve technology wise now they do use a lot of fins, little cheer, Finns, training, friends and stuff, and so there are some more to it than that ass, though the guys that I saw that did really well were more muscular than I was enough for me as, like those funds for about a quarter of my body, weight is literally is like we haven't conquered. She was gone for a job like I didn't do any favours the Turks news due for sure runs and swims everywhere, but about the runs runs no problem really. There is nothing that I I would say that I struggled with. I wasn't the bastard

everything I knew I wasn't getting goon either. I was kind of a great man on purpose which is best is to be in one of my body. I would say that they started the good. Squat every single time, with him the ruined squad of your if you're slow on IRAN and you're get a sort of the end and the nurse instruct awaiting in these this point on you're getting goons, which means you gonna, do a bunch of crap, that's going to suck in the sky was beginning at the goon squat every time, not five. So what year was it when you graduate about? so a spring of ninety eight and they You went to temporary. I want a bouquet of Arab, then jump school. Argo back, and I still do that then from their streets team, three std in- and I got my the cheeseboard thing, which is that I wish they still did that you know who think that's a sacrilege. They do it the way they do it now, but I got my tried in October. Of ninety eight

wait until January to cling to jump into my first platoon and that was an argyle full tune. So it's not wanting to month work up with six months of fleet Ex ship deployments, prior even deploying I did too arcs back to back cards team won Bergen. I think the rise of what ship that you devoid Duluth right now and l pity six year old comments about things from nineteen, sixty five or sixty seven are sent the letter on Vietnam yeah great. They built these ships echo to take true from here to Vietnam drop em off, but then by the time we were on em, they were just doing for six month appointed. So we restate of world war, two style, canvas racks and so little canvas racks there before people sleeping stacked up like for banks, were these little canvas racks sues old school, but I will say it s in the experiences in terms of big navy. Like you don't get those versions, you know ever sure and doing the flu

excess we're on the Abraham Lincoln and got to stand on the bridge watching at fourteen land and take off and me. Do some pretty neat stuff that that I'm glad glad we got to be a part of what was awesome for me was we were doing because when you, when you're with them you with the marine corps- and so we did all these operations in conjunction with the Marine corps self. I was coms guy. What were you until so I was a coms guy, so I was always interacting with all the other units that we'd be out there for communications and then coordinating and all that stuff. So I had a real leg up when it came to working with conventional forces, which if you were in a regular, spec off Splatoon back, then you wouldn't ever work with them. You are leaving very rarely work with no matching horses: butt you argue where I got to work with Marines and do massive. You know italian sized operations and had to coordinate all those things are gave me a good direction. You get you. You guys back in the teams back then.

They wouldn't even know They won't even know they will even understand what a marine corps battalion was. More or one up, company was or Wanna platoon was that you just wouldn't know now. Everybody knows we ve got more professional as times gone by, but that gave me a I was really lucky that I had that aren't platoon experience in I mean just getting in Canada, the big Navy perspective on a lot of things, I think is- is valuable in oh and it was just need from up for me at least I'm a tradition standpoint of we. We did a about a three week exercise in Australia where retested out a fast catamaran. They were testing for four up for us. So. The thought was a single do like fifty five knots and it's the size of a bigger bigger than like guided missiles, cruiser Millay, medium size ship with you now hole in the middle of the cat, but so that the thought process was we could deploy like a whole task element.

At least a platoon. I don't remember that. I think they're with the hurricane class or whatever it was little WMD amphibious floats that was count the same principle night. They can candid after awhile but same kind of principles. But these things do fifty five. It's weird you were out floating around. These things out doing some some exercise, some nor force Australian, guys in Israel it was more like being on a plane than abode in terms of the way it felt like me China Sleeve, whatever might imagine a boat, that big new and fifty five nice crazy. That's completely crazy, but you could put every I know you can do a full task element loadout on it, be completely self sustaining and go fifty five knots anywhere in the world. You know so it is certainly had some some potential, but obviously we never ended up doing them, but are getting dumber or implementing so. How many deployments did you do before the war kicked off? Just that one said I was because it took so long as twenty two month work up. Then you did a six month deployment when you come back from that,

also, the other guy the raw deal that the Americans can call a raw deal, but for me. So we got back in February thousand one MID February, and because It was right in the middle of forced twenty one, reorganise its rice, those team, three, their official force. Twenty one warm up wasn't until January of oh two, so from February two January, the entire team was basically like on products or whatever? And then you know I'd only done one platoon, so they're like yeah you're not going to free fall. Yet now we got two other guys going to sniper clicking gotta hazmat, that's growth, item b, a bus driver, so I ended up actually gone over the system team of GMO eggs you're a swimmer Navy than TAT line at team. Three I was always

Can we did run swim runs. You know is one thing being a little smaller at that time and then being a good swimmer in a pretty decent runner II could always get top three top five. That the team on on any given day dunes, worms and runs, and so I went over and try it out and then made the team and competed and we were supposed to compete in the Istanbul that summer do the whole. You know train for Monson and busted my my boy side and then I pulled up. More tore my groin. Amanda and I just died. I couldn't I couldn't get it healed in time, and so I ended up not not being able to go compete which really sucked I was. I was looking forward to doing it It was a neat experience. I was totally different was the first time in my life and then the only time it was like being a professional athlete. You know weeds weed, train for three four hours in the morning and swim for two and one slash two hours in the afternoon to a Saturday long long run. Practice, and I was the rapporteur system- stand for

It's me: it's not even an English. I don't think it's it's basically like military olympics behind the US and its the Navy Pinta one thoughts. So the amount of events in our course, but it's a totally different sets of real squarely. Person small dry small- you just It's really fast. Like is why every sprint there there's that there's a like a I. They call it's like a naval traditional, race thing where you at your pad on a little boat, you go out around a dinghy enough to do shackles, whatever, what's shackles like if you like, it's literally like you, go around to a buoy in and have to take a shackle connected something like it's. So there's a little intervention. Little challenge here, saying and with underwater a course which that that one was privilege it it's a hundred and twenty five yard,

underwater obsolete course. You got those big three foot, carbon fiber, free, I funds answer you do I mean it's like you I can. I can have these buzz, Lightyear thinking about com, ass, formerly gonna steal some of these, but the yeah, mean so I'd, say. Ninety percent of that hundred twenty five yard races underwater. You know you're the only come up at the at the end of blow out and take a breath like a like a damn orca, you know you just like you know and then go right back to doing tasks, underwater yeah. So there's there's a like a cargo net with a hole at the bottom. You got to snow in this is over the Ctt in the fifteen foot section so you're, going from the top down to the bottom and then back to the top at the other side, and so the only time you're taking a breath, the end, and I will tell you from a physical standpoint like I was one of the more taxing things I've ever done, because it's a race and it's technique and whatever, but

there's a carbonate you gotta go under. He had a swimmer rubber, m16 from one side to the next holding it out of the water, but Europe your base. Your whole bodies, underwater with just the rifle out your of streamlining, whatever it's all techniques of that european, whatever then you have to go down. You know you got one side, come back, so basically swim. The m16 across you drop you swim all the way down through that whole come back up from back down to the other side and undo this little like fire hose shackle thing and put it back together, come up and then sprint back to the other side, type a thing and those pre, challenging, but there's that and then there's a lifesaving thing. We gotta do it save a dummy. Basically, we have to get out your clothes and so like your wherein these old buds greens and they're all like rigged, so that you can get out of them literally under the hands and like MRS a soul, they may go from

and full greens on in the lot taking them off in the water. By doing like this porpoise back flip thing, any back slip out of women and then go save the guidance it's really kind of dumb honestly like at all, like. I feel ridiculous even sitting here explaining like it sounds even more stupid explaining it to you guys not knowing what it is but there, but So there are some underwater shit, basically what I'm here so so that way you can go because you you get injured and now so so Only after use must complete if thou must be in the summer of two thousand one September eleventh goes down you you get rolled back into opportunities, Point Wilson, I did a couple until schools, some secret squirrel ones, are actually pretty awesome during that summer after I got hurt and then I literally at one of them. I flew back the night before September. Eleventh on September. Tenth, I flew from from D c. San, Diego I get homes. Hello happens, I'm on my but we're living in the joy of the time,

I was on my way into seal team three and up now getting ready to jump in a platoon when it happened, and so obviously like what everybody knows all bets are off and figure out what we're going to do. There is a exercise in Jordan that they, Let me on a couple weeks later and they they beefed up pretty heavy like there's going to be a few no minimum footprint, but after September, 11th ended up sending way more people and a lot more resources kind of set it up almost like a like. A like a potential fob, if need be another, had a couple of platoons worth of guys, and you know people with experience and brought real stuff, and you know what kind of accent in if need be. Nothin windin the nub during, but but we spent actually almost two months over their right after September, eleven, almost like a mini deployment, but got back from there. Jumped in the Bible tune in January, and then it was me know you two had like me, not that I know you were same way. It's not that you weren't training for war,

but there is definitely a brothers and then- and then you you, you two point pup. You did the oil rigs right. I did so we're just gonna lucky luck the dry. I guess you know we're. We were originally slated to be a pig ample, we're gonna go to go on and when we did, but you know so, I actually realistic due to go arabic, school de ally, and I was one of my things. I wanted to learn arabic and sleep there. They were supposed to honour that then we got Reese later The PACOM platoon, like not you're, gonna, learn to Tagalog. Instead, regulations like you got to me, you speak your dollar, but I wouldn't say I speak not at the ally they are so they can only imagine true Navy fashions like, you're, not gonna, Arabic and I'm gonna die. You learn on technology and it's gonna be at North Island for three months during our. So it's not the same now but

American Corona basic conversation with it, but so do I gotta. Go to Guam, MRS, like October, roof, although to Anna and then in a word. We did that the standard pay com deployment, but towards the end of the year, they basis the writing, was on the warlike, Iraq's gonna kick off, so team five came and back filled us in a day you I don't know that they could have any more pissed call Young elected our turnover Party Vamos was nine fistfights. You know like, but they're pretty salty, about going to blame him, but so they had to come take place and finish our pig on the planet, so we could go to take away. Those guys must have been PS beyond, there's theirs a feeling that we won't be other replicate for a long time witches guys. It had never been to war, the desire that you had to to go because you think you're only going to get like one mission everyone at that time you like thinking. If you get to do some kind of real mission you'll be just completely your life will be complete

think if you don't get to do that, you're never than opportunities, never gonna get there and then- That's why I can't imagine was going through those guys at the time like so they they had that exact just pit in their stomach like were this close and you As you know you ve already been here. I can and we cod best of both worlds, because we know we went to the Philippine oh for a while, which that minute near was a good good pagan were there for a month, and then we went to a poor for awhile. We had Thailand a minute. It was a good good pagan deployment spent some time I went to Hawaii and, like a three week exercise Christmas you know and then by us, Come January there like us, they fly on all of our desert, stuff and totally re purpose. Oliver Stark and then we flew through Thailand. Land in Kuwait, set up shop equating naval base for about six. We, while we're getting ready and end. So during that time, the

The oil rig and me being until rap like I was sourcing until from a lot of different sources. And they they weren't very well, corroborated like some of em, whose colleague on one end of the spectrum, it was like yeah, it's not that big a deal and then on the other. One is like dude. What is a suicide mission here on everything in between and It was a little little bit nerve packing because of bounced around a lot of his like. You know how there's there's nobody on board and then five dollars for guys and talk up les cayes and you know it's like that is one hundred and fifteen people and they're all suicide vest it up, and you know they're going to clock off when you guys, Stefan Munoz, just and I d like so bounce around, but during what time like all we did was Cqc And- and we built actually a full scale, mock up, not mind you. This target was one thousand six hundred m long. I mean it, took us seven hours to take it down and let you know S tv. On it beforehand and when she did built for mock up, we meet again

I say that I know you didn't have. The fund of some of the other units to do that stuff worth, but that is basically site: is wise. We laid out like liquid tapes tape like when it normally. I would stay gotta guy twine yeah just you know like hell- this is legitimately how round it is, give you a real real ideas. There's birthing at one end: that's where we hit at the beginning, as it was needed, that's really all were, and so we took took is thirty, two slash thirty two prisoners without without it really any any real issue and breached a bunch of doors and then took down the whole birthing and and then swept the whole rest of the thing. From one end of the next and that it took took all night, but damn so yeah. We did that and then came back from that. And then from there just knows: basely hey. Now everybody load up the worse kicking off,

One thing I will sales Roy need about that mission, those that that was the entire team. I think, to this day it still the largest single in terms of participants, special operations mission and in an US w. History is because it was the entire team in the courts asian effort. There's a manifold metering station on the beach There's twenty six miles of of pipelines that were forty eight inch pipes and others like reacts on these worth of oil. In these just in the pipelines and the worry was an arrangement coordinated, was that neither the manifold metering station? There's people adding that there's people on the on the other, Reagan all that pipeline if they blow that, like that's, gonna, destroy the whole of Europe and will be there forty eight inch pipes day, walk around and that's crazy and there was like four of them. You know But yes, obviously we had to coordinate with them and we We actually have a nasty rebel tune with us, so there was.

And it s tv one platoon hit the deer two different oil rigs. There was the May Barton Chaotic The Mena L Barker Oil Terminal in the core. Am I am oil terminal, they bought one or Kayot. The Grom guys took down the referee, nobody on that and then we took down the one with me and with all the people on it, but we had to coordinate it basically time and exact with the other four platoons from team. One of which was a dp dp vivo tune when there are still use your heck. I think that's press problem. Mission were they decided to can the programme. Yet I were terrible. You got stuck in a mass, but but In so doing they met some resistance there and is echo the gps. I got desert betrayed the desert patrol vehicle, but it looks like I do like doing buggy, and enable and wisely looks even super cooler than Despite the got big like guns when you're a kid- and you see that thing

your ultimate fantasy in life coming true to his bad ass. Doom bug, guns with guns all over Iraq is on it and you think of this if you would have seen those when you were, you know, thirteen years old you take, whoever whatever I got to do. My life at drive back thing is what I'm going to do. The prom was there they're real, specific infinity in and They get stuck the Amazon line. It's like I mean they're worse than Hungary's. They also They took that down and and we and we timed it basically where you know if it was a simultaneous hitter or staggered, buy milk ten seconds, but so that you know that. The worry was that if we took it down to earlier than than they would now- and that is all observe and vice versa. So, we had had a coordinated, pretty pre spot on. But we pulled it off them managed to take out a few guys on the on the manifold side. We didn't have any risk of any real resistance, no shots fire other than breach indoors on our end, but so

we're rendezvous back at the equate, enable basin and we jetted up to. Our Stleam AIR Force Base Northern Kuwait and then spent the next few days Odin for humbly his out again and again, this was the start of the war. We actually had three and we ended we snake one from the air force But I should say it say it anyway, but now there is a green green humvee. That couple of our guys walked over to a parking lot stole it and and brought it brought it over and we spent one night literally with two cans of tans from paint and paint brush just painted at Pearland. And then these are soft doors extra crappy body armor that we've hang in the doors to try to give us some protection whatever in the yeah. We just were like well we're loading up. We did have a guy who's, this will turn and he was he got, lost

the losses marbles on? The on the head, like use, was rattled to the point, were merely basely gave up and and hung it up didn't come with us is sixty Gunnar So we are, we had had an Intel guy at the time that was not a team guy. That is now jumped in a spot, basically talked about like old school, like nine other, wouldn't I wouldn't let that stuff have announcement like yours. Here's a here's, a sixty man up yet the door and get that's. That's cool! That's also interesting. Your people, always it's one of those in Canada myths sore or misconceptions, where people think that everyone that seals like a hundred hundred percent in their use. You gotTA guided did one operate, I said, I'm not going any further. I remember, I think, there's a couple guys on the West Coast that Turner Birds after nine slash eleven? You know they're, like I didn't sign up for this like. Where do you sign up for you? You know, but

yeah a minute, and then there was a couple instances to were you know: you'd you'd find out. Things about guys that, just like me and above instructor, don't ever count anybody out, don't ever bet on anyone there there's people at a surprise. You both ways I always feel like somebody is asking that the other day I was feel like you, can can get an indication right. You got it. You know what this guy is pretty hard core I'd go I'd go eighty you know, maybe ninety percent you think, are the skies pretty weak. I go eighty percent nine. Ninety percent, but there's you said: there's outliers of theirs people that you just think what what what what just happened to that guy. And it's another thing. I'm happy I'm having to contend with now, as I get a little bit older is the fact even though I am all about human nature and all the stuff and like I really want to understand people, sometimes eggs, linger Mikado literally dont understand what your problem is now. Why would a big

So there was that there was a navy ship out from my house the other day, and I took a picture of it. I send it to like leaf and J P and Dave. Birchen influence, Cochrane like. The navy was good to me, but Don't miss these big great monsters right and left back in Riga, God. That was my motivation go through, but there's no way and in every one kind of agreed ever was like that. There's no way I was gonna quit buds and go to a ship, does not exactly. Is it were a few of the personality we think you wanna go to buds, then being ownership is completely the opposite that personality so understand how a guy could be. You know it get get. Your point where they say you know what I don't want to be wet called anymore, which is really all this. You know people get all excited about seal training. But you went your call you're, tired, ok, that that that's not that big of a deal. The pamphlet is ten percent. Job the check

Yes, are you get some people that legacy don't really want to do it. Everybody. Spare frogman on a sunny day. That's that's another! good saying so so you gospel, happened where act ass. Rolled up and in the neat thing at the time was was mad. Ass was the truth. He was there also one MAR did at the time. So we rolled up with the first Marine division linked up with is a third thirteenth or fifteenth mew, in Nazareth they had taken some some had up. There is a big fight and and so The word that we got him again. You'd have to talk to her wooden and matters. If that's how it went down but well, we got maddest called Harwood was like a you know, some of our supply routes and convoys of than gettin it handed to him in some some routes and as a real, you guys go ambush the ambushes. Unlike me, Haliae we will

So it was like the wet dream of of of what you would think you're getting yourself into combat lies in terms of it oh hey our conventional guys. You're gettin didn't it taken to him here. Is your your grids square? Basically. Did she get your territorial? Let us know what we can do to help you. Have about it and we had some leadership at the time. That was not. Crazy about cutting us off, led Owen so battled battle it out with them and can came up with some creative ways to go out work anyway, but but just now we went out and in did like old school minnow, conducting our own everything. We gather our own intelligence, we mean of grabbed a few guys and then asked around and an did did several hits based on the intelligence that we'd gathered and had our support in his car, a little microcosm of what was to come in earth.

Was that the first time you saw dogs and action, no, I'm okay, it wasn't until then, after that, and it wasn't even seeing them. It was hearing about them which I'll get to in a second. I guess, but so the Nazareth and were therefore for a few weeks. Just do in our own doing our own thing basically No, he went up to Southern dead? Just South Baghdad were there for just a couple of and we're in northern Baghdad. We had a scud base, which was cool MA am you know, took her scud based down and Anna God, yet some pretty need photos and experiences from that, but there, they're, gonNa Scott Base got cool pigs. I should regardless of a t, shirt solar. After that, then we went up to to create new, and so this was you know again. This was during the conventional face, those Canna three, the unique part,

that was was going best of both worlds. Zooms like Heaven, boxy Ceta, at historic, combat, seen in terms of big conventional forces moving through I know they were. There were lines, you know everything then so you know I don't know. If you remember the I think it was a third idea was supposed to come down through Turkey and in the last man they said no you're not doing it. So everything was supposed to be meeting like that and in Baghdad, with the union of the army in the Marines meeting such South and north squeeze in Baghdad and- and it didn't happen mean a last minute when they said no. You can't run through here so just now, the Marines moving south and north- and and so we there's a couple times were we'd, go ahead of a man and Scott out some routes and got a and but a trouble, but few times and then, as were common up now, to create Mimoza Land, Mobile telephone and meet some of the curtain, Kurt area.

Up. There. There weren't real worried about to create, was kind of the last big. Their word about, bang, alas, stags alarms hometown Lorenzo entire first marine division and seal DM three ECHO platoon took down to greet and it's funny as their liking. Oh, First first division has the West seconds got the north. There's got the south and team through ECHO, what do you guys are taken, like any other. Sixteen softness off skinned Hungary's right now and ever so we got yeah we, we went skirted skirted through town, while, while the entire town of twenty five thousand Marines were taking down to create work, sneak in our up to up to the palace and red retook, the palace down just pre printed. Stay therefore, for a little while and then ended up once we left there, we got bounced round, went down back down the back then flew out, but better so

While I was into creed, that's where you know we had been an in scenarios where the gist of what was that there was a groove marines ahead, a dog with them. And the reserve, and one where described in the book, was again us hearing guys are get right. There's little opening like a kind of a cave, complex style, opening the side of a of a hill. A single purpose bombed, Agua them again from this is all just what I heard and their reserve a grenade booby trapped, basically at the comp grenades just inside the doorway that data this dog had alerted on. For me, that was like the slap in the face light switch moment of like Why? Why do we not have dogs and I had grown up, and I was bird dogs. I got into hot dogs for a number of years, after which all I'll get into the country. What I drew from that terms: a heart intensity, conditioning training, nutrition breeding theory stuff, like that, but

but you know why I spent a number of years prior to that dealing with dogs, Workin, Witham tram stuff, like that, but never mean of this focused in strategic about calculated and so for me. Just from that day, on back in March of O three up until, as I said here just like, I couldn't get enough of it. You know, and I had taken, A lot of lessons I learned, training in and breeding and working with dogs and in a more informal capacity applied a lot that stuff to to what what I had had started implementing without with canine programmes and stuff, and so for for the first five years. It was just gonna, you know a student men, still a student but it was just me know: training with whoever I could train with I'd buy would import dogs I would go to clubs are now try to work with Pleased Barnes anybody I at work with. I would do it had read every book I could watch videos went to seminars

name it now and then, as I transition to get ready to get out after I got it, I came back with an instructor phone awhile while got valley fever and lost in a forty percent, How long and then, as I was try to get out at eight, I could either stay in and be a hammer on the West Coast or start my own company in you know, provide dogs, training and their courses and then make a bigger impact in That was. I just got a breeze through the fact that you got Valley Fever instructor in last. Forty percent loss worried by our long and it kills some people and that's that was Obviously, a huge piece of you saying and if you would have stayed in you, you you weren't allowed to do anything that had any kind of lung irritants was the deal so so this was how I came back in an went, and to be an instructor I had planned on, you know forward, onto the bigger and better things operate. Nearly- and you know it will I out at night-

and an all sudden. Just like any of us have you shooter, and eighty four or a Gustaf round more than a couple of your chest. Little tight the next day. I was near the arrest so during fifty five of them be shot. You know, and so naturally, like my justice type, that shouldn't be legal by the way, as we found out so deserve a well known, Carl, Gustaf, Eighty forward, especially a call me stuff: it's the biggest boom, your shooting eighty four millimeter rocket in If you shoot, two of em are three of them in a day. It's it's like you. A punch in the head, a bunch, but the problem is instructor staff goes out there and they sit there and do what you say. Fifty five and fifty five and one day, that's not healthy bro on that is not healthy and those long sounds like well. You're, not shoot number to stand and area a dozen countenance, ok typical military genius in orbit there. So the next day,

in all by. I expected my Justin and lungs, and had never going to be a little little sore than normal. But it got worse, and I got to the point where three or four days after that it was like, I was debilitating and it felt like you were standing on my chest, especially when I lay down. Worse, and so finally, they said you know, hey. You need to go to Babylon and hit the pit. The yarn see what the Hell's going on, and so I went and it took the based on, and I can't blame Balbo like based on what I told them. Naturally, there assuming blast long in a type type of issues in some sort of explosive type of damage, but it wasn't what that did as it exacerbated what what had already started, which was me having breed then Cox, idiom psychosis, which is in my scabbard fungus that lives in an arid climates, and it spreads through your lungs, like mould, where it gets dangerous and kills. Peoples is to thank

on your genetic make up predisposed to determine how how big an impact it has the other one is how much you are exposed to and how long it goes untreated. So I basic leave. It grows through your lungs like Malden and spreads, but if it if it goes pass, if it disseminates past your lungs and it goes into your in your blood and do your organs in your bone and then ultimately, it'll get into your your csf. Fluid cerebrospinal fluid in your spinal cord and go up in your brain and then that's when it kills people, and so it's it's kind of like Encephalo, that way, but so mine had had disseminated pass my lungs there's a couple, a hot spots in my in my just been my sternum and in my chest, bone ribs and whatever, and so when they caught it dig They prescribe Lama, soil, which is a toenail fungus medication, but I'm sorry die flew can but it's a lot harsher than than la muscles

Conoco on so they long story short. I was on twenty eight times the amount that you would be prescribed for for a bad case of toenail fungus and I got down so here's the the irony had gotten up to two hundred pounds prior to that and then back down away away two hundred forty pounds at the end of it has on convalescent leave for eight months at the time my my chief was tie woods from Magala God rest his soul, awesome dude, but so was workin for him at the time, and he may know just couldn't been better. Maney me checked on me, came by the house regularly men. You know I mean I couldn't do anything like I slept twenty hours a day is like Heaven. Ammonia model at the same time lost wait down to about about one forty. Finally, they had they had gotten the disease. Control and got it too to recede.

But it lays in your bloodstream, like malaria does or whatever that lays dormant. So if I got pneumonia, leukemia or mage, ivy or cancer, or something that really immunosuppressed me, it could come back, and so that's it's always there. You always have antibodies their butt At the end of that, the infectious Disease Captain Balboa sat me down his like you know. I would recommend a grammatical retirement for you right now and he said if you wanna go, that round must say half do, but but that's what I am. I recommend an and merely basely. Let me know what you want to do and I was like man I've got a child on my first child on the way. I've no college degree. I had totally cut me off garlic. I've! No plan, you Know- and so So how can I stay, and so we gotta stay away from from long irritants for a few years ass I like to make-

has a good recovery, is you're going to make you've got to slowly, get back into shape and put weight on. You got to take really good care of your lungs me and stay away from harsh cleaning products. Smoke. No dust ever which is basically everything you do as a sea of every thing that you do, your cleaning staff, your bones stuff up here certain stuff on fire, your shootin guns would lead, and it's a disaster for your lungs and so the only potentially logical explanation. No choice was to go over to to the centre as a basic buds instructor and so brother, the master chief. That was knows Workin fourth time. You know camp can't say enough good things about him. He hook me up and then made a deal with it with the training master chief and they sent me over there and I spent you know three years there, which you know was an amazing experience to

and I also have drawn a lotta lessons from being an instructor to both life and training dogs which will get into, but in also it was need to be behind the curtain air for a little while and see what the wizards us speak, you know. Then, when I like, I said I as I was there, I started when the West Coast Kind programmes was coming up online, o seven or eight timeframe, and and I went dead- did some decoyed training with some other guys up at a vendor. They are using up and color Central California in almost kind of like a working interview. Basically, if, as some you wanna get involved with knows I gaps Lillian, and so they I was at a crossroads. I said you know if you want to reenlist and whatever we know you can come come be a handler here. You know where that tip and I thought about it for a while and then for me, even though it's one of those forks in the road that there isn't a right

you know I wouldn't be where I'm at today, but I'd be by be lying to you. If I said there isn't part of me that wishes I had stayed in, I'd still be in doing deployments as a handler. I'm I'm sure you know so, but for me again, just kind of back to the like when I first joined the Navy, I've always looked at it as how can I make a bigger impact? Not not what do I want most personally, but what what's going to make more of an impact in terms of of the industry and then helping more people and to me it just made sense. If I can sell you know lots of dogs in and provide handler training and run courses source, nice dogs to feed the programme and all that than than that makes more sense from a big picture stand. Did you ever get connected with any of the Vietnam era? Dog handlers team guy actually yet or hear stories about Prince Prince hurry up,

prince was like. The the I believe was the most successfully used dog in Vietnam by the seals. Our main parents. I heard stories when I first got in about present one of the stories that I heard and again this is story of its an old tradition has been passed down, but the story was that there were guys there were getting extracted on helicopter and, that they all piled, there was a hot extract there, all the guys pile into the bird and they ve got Prince the dog with them and the guy says you hey we're too heavy to take off some he's gotta get out, and this is the aircrew looks. It looks like the look of the chief and says hey what you have to take off somebody's gotta get out and looks at the guy looks at Prince, like get the dog out here. We gotta take off and story goes that was the. That was the story that I heard about in this picture. The prince. You can see

none of us are going anywhere and they had to do the engines and do your barely be able to take off, but that was the that was the story that I heard about in this picture, the prince you can see in the archives. So I just wondered if you ever talk to any guys that were any of them prince handlers, not that I'm aware of theirs, there's a guy and- and you know I actually never talked him out with his dog's name- wasn't sure if it was him, he probably would have told me, but there was one. I think it was the first Vietnam Seal K9 handler that I talk to write as my first book came out and send him a signed copy, and then you know talk to him a little bit as it has as it was coming out, which was for me just gives an awesome experiencing like hearing this guy talk like is base.

Like yours, a dog figure it out. You know who I mean us about the gist of eternally. They had some hard times the fort begin to know what they're doing and it took a couple deployments of before they figured out ok and they got the dog prince up to speed and apparently saved a bunch of guys over time. Here, I'm in here, he added some pretty interesting things to say about the programme and the efficacy of the dogs back then, and in a lot of it, was them just kind of work in their way through it, and that's the thing that that I think most people brought there's. Probably the biggest misrepresentation of of canine programmes is that it's not a web system. You know where it's like. Ok, your mark one motto: team guy, like you'll figure it out like it's a totally different animal, no pun intended. It is me, like the the pack ass she did with with this. That's right! When you talk about horses takes ten years. That's debts that way with dogs really is men, because it's it's a totally different deal. Takes years to get truly me. No, I would say that to me,

when a master. What it takes, two to implement a dog program at its akin to flip it another detachment, we're saying: hey we're going to create a female special forces unit like it's going to take a long time before that that's up and running and dog programs are very similar that way so it's hard enough when you ve got training, God re resources, you know budgeting billeting, all stuff in your favorite still take several years to just say, appears a dog figure it out. Like a man, that's that's a tough pill. While those guys did you notice that, just like any of us would allow know, I will figure out let's, let's what's getting a low, because I think that'll does guide us cause. I had a great time, read this book, as you know, augurs well, which man, biter yeah, but The book that I decided to go with you got three books obviously that the seal team dog is a book more. It's a what call in the in the

literary industry. It's a y, a book for young adult right, that's what it is, but yet it's actually Navy seal dogs is the young adult adaptation of trying to ground where s the same James, ten bucks- I don't buy, that one of your dull dont get Moldavia, don't get both of em, but then this book, teen dog. How to turn your dog, or maybe she went what other reasonably any. Since I got her day like you, got lost. Last part gas with the Saxon through so many parallels you'd be surprised wholesale. Are we to talk about that amount? Of course we are there. So many parallels between how you lead a dog and how you human as awful as that might sound it's absolutely true personnel one of the things you kick off here in and I I kind of skip to the middle of the book, because it's talk about selection, so I'm going to go to the book year. Selection is crucial. I can't emphasizes poisoned point enough in most cases when I've been asked to intervene in problem dog situations, what I

that we see as a mishmash mismatch such as either a slightly built person or an elderly. Couple who have a seventy five pound high energy dog, who they can't without being dragged along, those people are for we incapable of exerting enough forced to stop that dog for moving a necessary first step in getting a dog to walk properly on a leash. That's just one example of how better selection could have. Ultimately to relationship and That's a real obvious one. That's when the easiest ones understand almost small old woman, and I take a hundred town dog dragged me around, but There is a lot of a lot of other characteristics that are way more nuanced, for instance, dog, that is super high energy and you're working person. That's busy all the time you work on your home and you can have a dog nip at you all. The time play with me play with me play with me play with me. That's going to be a good match. That's not good! at all and you see where you were.

Quote: some quotes about Let me tell me a little bit about dog ownership in America right now, because I- a lot of its selection has a lot to do with wherein upward problems. So there's too really mean dog ownership as a whole. Is a goat rope honestly, and that's where this book stems from this work. My team dog online training programme stems from and frankly the campaign that I'm about to launch that that is in essence. The crux of the problem with with dog ownership in this country, is that its mismatched, poor selection and men most important register, an inability to communicate properly with the dog in the end. What that stems from his very simply is that no dogs mines that, if, if you think about it from from the most basic standpoint, you can, as that you you're not were, or have this conversation verbally right, you you dream in a language you talk and language

Think in a language we communicate overwhelmingly verbally night when you think about about dogs. Is that just something to say was, as you and I meeting if I come over, I shake your hand. We smile and not your touch, her shoulder whatever walk away. Somebody can see that from across the parking lot and no as a cordial, cordial greeting you and I stand up next to each other or look at each other like this and in doing this kind of stuff in size and each other up and turn around again from across apart. Not, you knows too deeds are about a brawl now, if it's that easy for us as human beings, who are overwhelmingly verbal and how we communicate to pick that thing up now, Imagine a dog who's, never thought and a language dream on language doesn't communicate a language not now think about how important body, language and nonverbal verbal communication skills are its everything to adopt

and so there their mind is an algorithm. It works like a calculator had doesn't work like like our minds and us that's the biggest single, crucial element where people make the mistakes as the anthem for more fires. They attach all these human associations, emotions, logic and reasoning to dogs, brain and it doesn't work that way in order that a plus be equal, see the scientific job in his antecedents plus behaviour equals consequence, but just think of it like a calculators that grabbing the leash plus putting it on grabbing, unleash a plus. Putting it on be equals would go for a walk, see when a plus b is paired enough times to our dog. Anticipate see that's when you have problems. How many people have you seen Now they have a dog, they grab deletion, adjust spinner on the moon, and then they can't even get a leash on him to take him for a walk, let alone settle down? That's. Why is we

every single time, you've paired a b c equals c and now he's anticipating when they and he's anticipating see when a b are present, so something as simple as breaking that context gets rid of that in a lot of people, that's put a prong collar on will put a new car with me in the ribs, with man handle all these things. News break that context. You know, and it's really that simple as it, whether you're trying to build it or whether you trying to break it. The processes, the exact same user, going to make a plus be equal, see enough times to wherever you want to dance, made it or of sea is something you dont want anticipated. You're gonna make aid. Must be not eagle it so, with the leash example, as I go grab a leash, I click at I wrap it around. My way say: go sit on the couch with it and now dogs. Looking at you like his minds, blown, is like what the hell's Goin on we're we're supposed to be walking right. Now I get up my put it back Can I go sit out, go about my day. You do that enough times and now, when you grabbed leash, doesn't mean anything to him. So, just as once,

For example, if you think about all of these different behaviors that we as human beings inadvertently create in the animal that that is wise. It's it's a lack of that understanding that there might just works differently than ours. As soon as you understand that, coupled with presents you know, I know you have to speak about this and in your in your business leadership conference's in and how you carry yourself, how you interact with people. It is huge you know, and if it's against that big with people I mean you know you're the type of guy that knew you walk in the room like this. Do the running running the show write a lot of people. You know that we've worked with her work for our life that just command respect by the way they carry themselves by the way they walk in and if it's there again, if it's that effective, just with us as human beings who aren't driven that way, primarily now imagine the dog, like I do exercise of dogs all the times. I don't say a word to him to be the first time. I've ever seen. A dog I'll put up by three foot leash on

in a room with basically nothing in it in this is a dog that now they've had all these problems with a nine month old, crazy, high energy dog knotted, I did it just the other day, actually on the trip I was on before this, this training facilities having trouble this dog, I wanted to go to using some some compulsion method, some some prong collar on e collar stuff to to get the dog under control. I sublimate, let me ask them for a minute, so I at least to him. I walk around with a minute just no talking on a leash infant feeling at me or getting a feel for his personality, but you know, if you think of it like a like a bumper or a buffer, is that your of your the buffer between that dog, his mind and end and the stimuli and everything that that goes?

twenty year almost a gatekeeper, and so when you you have to get inside that dogs mine and be able to reach it first. You know which, which means I have to mirror what I wanna the dog. If, if he's a spaz, I can't treat him like a spaz. I can't spaz out any outcome and yell Adam and men get all all up in his girl about it. I need to throttle it down and and and be a mirror or a representation of physical representation of what I want on him, and so it got to the point where I live. I finally got him to just relax lay down and I could get up a lock round the room and you any wouldn't move, and he had not done that before. It's, not it's, not anything crazy, magic, wizard stuff it. It's just bits of basic understanding of kind psychology, operant conditioning

and the fork louder and sub. But, most importantly, it's it's that non verbal communication aspect. It does that would dogs is just imperative when you what another thing that before we move on past selection or get a little bit more, but a lot of times, people They want certain breed of dog right in great conversation you with it when I was getting a dog while back and you look, you could have a great deal. That's a lot. You can have a great dog, that's a pure bred, whatever you name it. You can have a horror Dog that's a month and you can have a horrible dog. That's a pure bred, whatever you want to name it whenever that breed. Is it what theirs did the breed that you get. Obviously, you gotta look at how big it's gonna be in what kind of temperament, but the temperament thing how How well is that temperament thing and how much it, how much impact as that does the breed and the temperament align, so I would say in others there is basically to category

there's the working varieties in the non working varieties when it comes to now working varieties, in other words your average domesticated house honestly it's it's a paint job and, in my opinion, We re really is what do you like? What are you like? What? What is it? What does it look like and what do you like its purely ass static or almost that way? they are bred for us. That acts are not bread for working working, trades donors on about mountain law, shepherds who lose Coon dogs, terrier types rat, terrors pattern, ales whatever any type of dog? Does bread purpose? Now it is a different ballgame. Now I would say that in a most mountain was as an example, you have a higher level of energy, a higher drive that doesn't necessarily translate to good driving a lot of people make the Miss Miss conception. That

Oh, my dog has tons of energy. He just needs a job. He needs to working and he'd, be a great work and do not necessarily you know could be nervous. Energy that could be anxiousness could be thin environmental nerves. Is it a lot of different reasons, but back to your question is that from a selection standpoint you know the if your talk Bout, any breed that you're just get in its annex, K, C, dog or or even a sheltered, Ard. Whatever. That's that's not bread from three four or five generations of lineage. That's that's been selected because it bring certain working trace. The table it it's a good dog is where you find it. It really is minutes. It's one of the parents like if it's out of a shelter just go value. The die with the same tips that that I gave you an and I do that I don't care where the dogs common from it could be. The best bread dog from them, the most pipe Hatteras parents. I've ever come across some still evaluate that dog with with zero kennel blindness with no bias whatsoever. I don't care. If it's a friend of mine, I don't care. If its puppies, I raise a I wash out

is that I breed and raise all the time, because I'm just not what I need and that's it from a selection standpoint to tie in with the ceilings and having been instructor there. The reason I think that I think the reason that that The calibre of individual it shows up at a seal team is is so high is because buds is such a tough selection process. I asked if you re like people, ask me what did you learn how to deal with straw, did you learn in buds and, unlike no, you don't actually learn that exist. If you can you go away, they don't theirs. Class where they say. Ok, when you start feeling stressed here's what you do when you start feel like, you can't go any further. We want you to repeat this mantra. No, they don't do that. That is put you in crappy situations and if you want to quit, you quit there's no education.

I think the alleged occasion exists as you learn who you are we have had. So that's a good boy then, but no one teaches you know I mean it's that I guess I guess the environment is. What did you see that the another good thing you wrote in here and you just talked about a little bit. Dogs are meant to be active and are happy. Yes, when they're doing something and reason I highlighted that was cause. It's the same thing with people to same thing, I'm talking about with Joe Rogan saving of talking about with your Peterson Joe Rogan we're sight seeing that you'll you need I'm kind of a struggle to make you feel like you're? A cop something with Jordan Petersen, it's real. We talk about two hours, take up the burden, responsibility, that's what gives you a purpose and so dogs, If you just know that you're not dog, run around, do whatever every wants will is not really gonna be happy is at the point and here I would say, a classic example of us as humans anthropomorphized certain elements to dog

by that. I mean that we look at it as a job as purpose right again, this is my opinion. I'm not a world renowned canine psychologist, but by play one on tv, but The fact is that no dogs, I dont, think you have that that depth of understanding of purpose They have what I would I would classify. It is like a five year old as they have a need to be stimulated, physically mentally, Finally, socially nutritional everything just like we as human beings and where you see problems- and I see it time with with my online dog training, is that when people first start out that it's kind of a re education of sorts of of saying in a number one you gotta put yourself in the dog shoes and I'm in a help. You do it by structuring these these monthly lesson so that their cumulative, so that you can understand and watch your dog transform

and learn from it. But what it is is that it's it's making an understanding is just like with people is that you know that dog needs to have physical exercise as part of the daily regimen. He needs to have routine so that so that he can count on you and and and depend on you for providing the resources that necessitates his life he's got to have mental stimulation, just like we do, and you can do nothing but work out, but think about the difference between a gym, workout and a Jiu Jitsu roll in terms of what it does for. Last night and day difference, and so you can't just go, make your dog blow his physical laud every day playing ball like you, you ve got to make his mind work and I swear using a clicker to reinforce and shape behaviors comes into play because now they have too thanks if to figure things out, and it is it's it's it's mentally, exhausting or a minimum stimulating, and then they require that same with

food same as sunlight. You know is that if imagine you sitting here, you know twenty three hours a day or you don't go outside. You don't really eat beef, jerky and canned goods are Mcdonald's in do that week after week after week, where are you going to be? You know it across the board, physically mentally health, wise immune system, everything's going to be garbage, and so what would happens as long as people that they think there's no spoiling their dog? I don't know when that became up positive thing, but but you know they think that you know by not making him do things not teaching and things not enforcing things not having a routine in which that dog can depend on emulating as mine, not making sure that is physically active and keeping them in good shape that those are all benefits and are not detriment. Needless to say, this applies directly to your kids and how you raise you gotta get everything you just rattled off is basically how would spoil kids, it are lazy and on production, in our lives hundred percent.

In and by the way, lazy, unproductive and unhappy, we happy whether a loser sit around playing video games. You know twenty three hours a day cover and dust. It's my favorite and one of the things that I think that is really interesting to me- of how dog training Conor relates to life? Is that it's it's like a p? producer or almost a a microcosm of life. Is that no different than whether it's business relationship goals, leadership coach with his athletes, a teacher with students, parent with your kids, you name it, but you know that the general with his troops is that you have to have an objective. You got to know what. How do I want my dog, you know what does a finished dog look like you got to know in your mind. What is that like you want to be a black belt. In Jiu Jitsu, you want to own a ten million dollar company, whatever it is. If you don't know where you want to go, you're not going to steer it anywhere, you can be floating around. You gonna let first, then you gotta be ass with yourself in terms of doing and evaluate

where am I can now, I know where I want to be. I know we're on that. Now it's formulating a plan and then you scheduled and execute just like every other aspect: your life there there is actually no difference. The neat thing about dog training is that you know you can go through that process. Dozens of times you know as a dog trainer, especially, but even if you just have a dog that that it's a condensed process. That's that's in a case such a control environment. You see the cause and effect you see that criteria driven algorithmic process that exists in all of life, but it plays out in your ear, manipulating at your controlling at your Europe directly influencing every aspect of it. And so I've learned more about people training, dogs and I would have ever imagined- and you know I mean it's- it's mine numbing- almost how much you can you can learn from training dogs and how to interact with people. Based on on all that, you know it is Pretty pretty fascinating, I think they are now there's. No doubt I got that all out of this book too.

Going to what you talked about a little bit, but just a where a fire or what you specifically wrote the book here, talk about meeting a dog before we get into the specifics of that process? I want to take a moment to turns discussion around again and focus you and not the dog. If a dog is looking for someone to take charge and exert authority over him and ordered not burden him without responsibility, then you need to carry yourself a certain way. I go back to something said the introduction about wanting to be respected over being liked. Think, the kinds of introductions and greetings you ve had with people and a variety of ways in which they interact with you. How would you respond if you met someone for the first time they rushed up to you hugged you tat, also during air jumped up and down and generally acted like you, greatest person on the face of the earth. Wouldn't you think drab were or would you think that person's assessment of you was valid? Would you like that kind of physical contact. Would you think that, It was a great starting point for a long term relationship. Would you have this?

for that person, and then you get, when we say what kind of dawn is going to be attracted to that kind of greeting, and that message and the answer is a new de dog Second, credible point: you know we do you really want. What's your hiring an employee and, boy, you can tell just needs a lot of encouragement, even though there are fired up, but the more you fire them up, the more fired up, big. It will the person you really want to have that's gonna. Take you there to emotionally proud them along to get them where you want to go. They answer is obviously no in one of the most common scenario, analogies that I throw up people when it because it in I do a lot of speaking in and events in conferences and whatever in you know one of the almost always offline you like on my door. You need to send him to him like a not fix. It

no different than you send me your kids, like they're, going to work well for me, and I can work well for you, cuz you're not doing it, but but think of it from a prospective from a boardroom. Is that mean when they say my? My dog doesn't respect me as two things? Is it a big difference between respecting and and enjoying or liking to the first first example, I uses the you know being at a bar and I'll save the the the heavy details, but the gist of it is it if, if the opposite, sex is throwing themselves at you do you like? That the enjoyed? Absolutely you respect that person know you know. So you can spoil your dog, you can let him sleep and I let him sleep my bad. I take him for walks. I give him treats. I take him to acupuncture and she doesn't listen to me like. I bet your kids don't either and that's why, because it's the nineteen year old at the bar was trying to flatter you that it doesn't enjoyable, but it doesn't doesn't garner respect. Second thing: his notice, think of,

boardroom and then I use it cuz. I talked with a lot of business folks and things different events, and let's say that you were tasked with going in front of the twelve executives of the company. You work for button and you don't have your boss says so you're going to give a Powerpoint presentation, and your job depends on this. If you knock it out of the park you're getting a promotion, you're going to be an executive, If it doesn't go that well, well, you gonna pack, your stuff and fine, fine employment elsewhere. Now You think about how you go into that boardroom right and I want you to think about this lies in your mind, interacting with those twelve executives. The way that you interact with your dog. How would that? How that presentation go every one of them I'd get laughed out of the room. Why your dog doesn't listen to you because your dog you? Who can tell your dog that you're his owner all you want? You have to show him that if he doesn't know leave you because you haven't shown him that guess what you're? Not you, can think about it, you can wish- you were. You can hope that you were the fact is:

your dog is, is going to believe who show him that you are and if that's a clown us what he thinks: you're a clown. If you're in emotionally in stable, you know j that That's how he's gonna view you, if you're a beta male, because your role and around and letting them you know whatever he wants to hear that Gonna vs such you know, and the most dangerous combination is lots of times you hear the word dominance get thrown around alphabet. All this other stuff. I can tell you. I can count on one hand the amount of dogs that I've come across that were truly what I would consider an an alpha dog, and this is a dog that even all my experience, all of the manipulations I can provide in terms of setting the environment up to to make it so that all out, you know, impact him that way. He still wants to fight me over everything, no matter what I do and I can't get in his no matter how hard I try, no matter what I do physically mentally environmental manipulation, you name it less than five.

What is out of thousands of thousands and thousands of jobs that less than five that actually will need to be. Alpha male over you with everything that you know how to noon. There has been no matter what you do with them, that they still look at at at everybody like Europe, mere below me, the handful of a lesson I am full of them. And so when I hear especially, as I guys really Althea is really protected. Know is not what it is you just wait. There's a power vacuum ends and so dogs again they dont rationalizing, have the logic and reasoning we have they big big, Dick hard wired with set, genetically inherited traits. That say if there is no nothing in charge, if there is a vacuum, whether our do or not, I'm going to, because somebody has to so when you see all of these dogs that are dangerous and and guarding of food and in territorial and all its other stuff, you dog that doesn't want to be in charge but is taken

that role, because nobody else will- and that is a real absolute recipe for disaster in its way, see so many problems with wood dogs and their owners is because of that simple fact. In and of itself there You talk at you again we're talking about all these similarities. Here's a here's, a thing you got in the book encouraging that kind of over the top display of affection is the complete opposite of how you should present yourself to an unfamiliar pupper dog. You were the one who is making the decision that you are the one in charge and how you carry yourself into the situation and what, signals your body language sends are something that any dog will recognise and decode immediately. Do you want to concede the position of power in that relationship immediately. Absolutely not and again. This is the same thing as a leader now, This doesn't mean when you point this out on the book that doesn't mean that you dominate. This, doesn't mean that you come in and you're you're overly aggressive, and I talked about that all the time with being a leader. This doesn't mean that your comment and you're barking orders at people cuz that doesn't work either that So you're gonna find that balance. Just like you do with with humans chirp either.

Things without again with dogs, especially because it sets so simplified that that that element is reduced to a very primal nature you know so, when you have a dog, truly is dominant a few display that guess what you're gettin in a fight. If have a dog? That's not that way. You display that what happens the dog is scared when that scared of you. No different than a few now have have a child that smell the third grade level when they walk into a classroom where they're sitting in the classroom, the teacher walks in and then they blow their anal glands. You know because they're they're getting ready to get whipped with rulers, and you know Alexa you. God knows what else there are learn anything on a tray, verse, if, when you walk in there, have thrown spit laws and planned tagging and ignore you entirely that learning air there either so just like in all walks of life there's bounds, but

but what it is it's it's exactly that at its maintaining a level of emotional stability, a calm, demeanor and and a restaurant, but calculated mind in terms of how you interact with that animal on its? It's. Really, it's not hard at all. There there's two videos that I and my online thing called. Be the man be and part want to be the man part to where I do exactly that. I dont say really a word in essence to two different dogs, both very strong, very dominant dogs. That is the other. Their level of prey drive for a toy eyeball ETA would have you. Such that, if I have it, they just do know the they start shaking and barking and bound In the end, they try to take it from even other both personal dogs of mine in the past, Dr, is so overblown and over driven that that overrides everything common sense wisely actually can't use that to train them, because it's it's so so, four driven? But some people are all excited about pray drive, but you can have too much greater. I feel about I would say that it's to meet,

So now, there's no such thing. In my opinion, for the dogs I work with, I would say: there's no such thing as too much. There is too much to do certain types of training with if I'm trying to teach obedience focus stuff like that. No, I won't use balls and toys like that, because it is too much I'll use, food or or body language. Now when it comes to controlling impulse and things like that, absolutely, but it's after I've done enough repetitions to wear. It transfers from being a decision to a reaction, no different, but you can end up. What can you end up with a dog? That's his a driver is so high that he, you can't take him to the park and trust that he's going to look into and out of an internet oil. You can control Newton CAP that drive by reinforcing so think of it. This way in this is that the more drive and lack of impulse control, dogs have the more new energy, etc. All the things that the typically wine dogs up in shelters. All of those those components or something that can that can absolutely be controlled.

But the thing to remember is it think about the first fistfight irreverent, or even if it happens, now think about where your mind is that it set a very elevated state, Joe. Like when you see an amateur fire. The first couple fights like other Sweden for the fund, cuz they blow? There was no, whereas you see a guys, calculated this been doing. While he knows how to control that. That's that's what in essence, what your teaching a dog, but you have to do it. They can't rationalize at That was the way you do it as the exact same those that you're putting them through. So many repetitions, no different than think about the very first time you're on your primary and you pull the trigger and nothing happened. You had to think okay, I'm going to put it down at the trigger control and you doing all the things in your head at a certain point that becomes a action when that becomes a reaction than your trained same thing with a dog? Is that you ve gotta? Do those repetitions using thanks to ruin

force it. If the dog is in that state of mind is the key components you gotta, do it when they're, not in that state of mind, to be a look and troll them when there in that state of mind, you have to build that foundation first, just now, you can't you can't teach a fighter how to be composed by doing real, real matches that comes in training and so the parallel again, as is busy exact eyes it you ve, got it, you gotta use a classroom, and what I do. I use a forty by forty classroom raise a clicker food, treats affection body language and I and I teach and shape all these behaviors and I'm trying to teach until it becomes a reaction that I just so we start to introduce distractions and in graduate them k through twelve until her and tell her doctors. You know going out and in some of the videos I have is some of the dogs. I've worked with. You know it in, and one of them is black. German shepherd actually just sold him to a big metroplex swat team, but I could take him through Walmart off leash. I could take him to parks where kids are playing soccer around them in. This is a dog that, even if I have a ball Hilton,

bite through my hand to get to it, and I could get to wear it without using any punishment without using any compulsion just by doing shaping and reinforcing, and then using. You know that a plus b equals c over and over until it became a conditioned response and now the dog that works on autopilot. Your name when somebody says Jocko you not to think about responding. You ve heard enough times to read me: do that same same exact, grant print What's up with resource guarding usually what it stems from as it is an again? an inadvertent, creative created behaviour. Kids messing with them taking food from them lot of times. You know cpu, I won't be able to take food. I don't mess with the dogs when they eat Now I need to be able to bump and walk by em. Take it from an if I have to, but it's it's

my dog has really high drive for something, and you compete for that over and over and over. Your building. Think of it, like a barrier in the dog's, mind and you've got to your goal, is to kind of hit the the refresh button on the computer screen in that dog of mine, and so you know what I'll do like if a dog has real heavy resource guarding with the with food. As an example, is that now I'll feed that dog Tire ration of food from my hand throughout the day training. So now it's not me setting a bowl of food down and now you're gonna garden and get get crappy with me. It's when you do what I want, then yoga, I'm in market reward it you're, getting from my hand in it just breaks that context wide open and now it now it doesn't become a thing in the police dog realm one that one of the most common examples of of that body? your misfiring is is outing when we're doing my work and that dog is an that's crazy, elevated state of mind and EAST indies overlapping pray in defence of drive and your transferring back and forth.

Is it not say, okay, let go just like first timing on a fight like a warrior It is to have shown the shoulder. Hey, stop fighting like you, don't hear that so too to reach that dogs mine when there in that elevated stated. It all boils down to you, got an enter their mind first to communicate, but is it when they're in that elevated state of mind? What what usually happens is they use an e collar prong collar the grab their the dogs flat, the roll it twisted just like a guillotine choke and lift them off. All that does is create conflict between the handler and then dog and, and it been it, builds and creates possession over objects. So with a ball now you see it all the time. People on my dog won't give me the ball. How do I get it from? What are you doing and you watch Emmys chasing the guy are in chasing the dog around. How do I get? Let go the ball. Get another ball make your boy. Sexier than the ball it. He has the second. He drops it you market and throw the new ball just like.

Now it will spit it out for you with no conflict with no no problems whatsoever, but is that way with everything it with food, its with toys, its with your name? We talk a lot about it difference in here, a sort of it is like a base sword reaction to a lot of stuff, and I noticed that when my dog, if I want my dog to drop a ball, If I just ignore for effort for five Secondly, the ball drops out than any looks at me because he knows like ok. Can you can pay some attention so what you feel this thing again bump undone the ball vote again because back he wants to do you want to fight for it. But if I ignore this, just look away for three seconds: pockets dropped them down. There remains the same. It's the same! Barroom psychology launchpad attention to me. But in order to bring it back to the dog aspect. Is that you know if thing about it from from more of a almost a primal nature of think about kids, when you watch kids, what's a very natural, when you bring several caused together, what are they do naturally chase each other?

It is a natural function in animals on the planet, we are no different. So if they have something it's a game as much as anything, but you can. You can turn it into something more serious as a dog, its older and they become more possessive and driven because you ve built those barriers in there find, but in terms of the indifference, peas, one hundred percent, the one of the first things I do with the Warrior Dog Foundation of the nonprofit, that I have that we were tired. You know former spec, ops, dogs and then police, dog and contract working dogs and all sorts of different dog butt The very first thing I do with all those dogs I have a pouch of food- have a clicker in the clicker. Just for those of you that you know to be understand, I'm talking about just a little mechanical device has a button on a pushing it. Just it just makes it a very mechanical sound that Miniclip pears, whatever the behavior, is with a reward. It's it's abridging of stimulus for so just think about it like taking a picture. You know, is that you're letting the dog know that the instant of what's taking place right? This second is correct and a reward. Is it

attached to that anyway? So I let him out of the gate and the a two and a half acre training field around my a facility and soldiers me and the dog, walking around with a powerful of food and clicker, and I completely ignored and an eye firstly, walk away from him and any time that dog comes over to me. I'm market roared at turnaround, walk away from him again and I'll do that for five to ten minutes three four times a day for a few days, and may we ve taken and over eighty dogs over the last eight years with seven and a half years, and, to this day, there's not been a dog, yet were word that has not worked, and I've done it with What other dogs too, but is that even if they hate people in other defensive, aggressive their environmentally rattle their pts type issues? What have you is that that that that element of you getting paid and then me shaping certain behaviors works on all of the works, the same way with people? You know that's one of things in terms of something like the leadership stuff that you do is it.

Operant conditioning positive reinforcement in other the four quadrants while, yes, I I work primarily in the in the positive reinforcement realm. I do use positive punishment. I use negative reinforcement, negative punishment, but for for the layman, think of it from you know. If your your spouse is out of town, you spend the weekend cleaning the entire house right it spotless, no kids are all in check. You know the old lady comes home, and then the house is spotless. The very first thing that she recognized is that the one thing you didn't do was take the trash out and that's the first thing she's like didn't. Take the trash out like I guess I'll have to do that. You know that, like that's her response, how likely are you to clean the house ever again, very, not likely whereas on the transverse, if you know she grabbed the Chaldean, whatever or give me some positive reinforcing, gives you some thousand frightened for but maybe in another room than

You know that that speaks for itself. You know, so it's that same element in struck me mister, green around here, the big, your head yeah, you be clan house every weekend, you know so it's the Ets It's it's a very simple element of one. One of the analogies you could use to is it's a difference between slave labour and a job with great benefits in at the end of the day, a task as being performed, but one the other The level of DR motivation satisfaction happiness on one end, their two hundred eight agree bipolar or disparity opposite, so just its basic rainfall But if you look at everything a dog does in that in that regard- and let me know every every time that they do something that you want. It gets marked and reinforced every time that you they do something you don't want to get. Sixth english tandoor corrected. It is very black and white. Another quick example is toys in the house. You feel, like I'ma dogs, two in this up to nine

You keep toys in the house. We always got Kong's another ball, the stuff, my my rule of thumb, in my advice to everybody, is make it black and white on the dogs. My again, he doesn't know the difference between a tennis shoe with stuffed animal okonkwo it or it's all crap. It's laying around your floor. You know, can you make them distinguish things yeah, but let's not put the cart before the horse. I teach him to respect what you say first, and so he doesn't get to play with anything in the house if he knows that nothing gets in his mouth inside the house. Other than what I hand him, then then it's really easy to teach him don't chew on stuff it is outside of in a crate, it's in a kennel. That's when I'll give you things. They were the two at the time with whatever in and build that engagement work on the Bonn relationship whatever, but you have been in here. Where are you old problem dogs, the pro stems from an imbalance of power and relationship, not from the dogs. That's that's like the route that you see all the time the persons we We are pretty much already talked about that and it's the same thing. You see a lot with leadership,

you, ve got up with someone? That's that there is an imbalance of power and in what way, it's more complicated humans as humans, then do their own. Self correct and a lot of times they over correctly under correct now, if there be into three into two grow managing then they they go all the way to the other side of the total, laissez faire and and now people to know what to do or after being too as a fair, they may go straight to level twelve micromanagement and again just the edges personality thing or a mistake that they're making and imbalances that the relationship that we have, because that's what I want you to tell me something to do. Why you give me some guidance? I didn't want nothing. People lose that Here's another one is important to establish your authority over a dog dogs. Want me to take that kind of presence in their lives. You just hammer this over and over again, easy in some respects, to get a dog to fear you, but it can be equally easy to get a job, possibly put themselves in danger because they assume that

ships, a dog will have more respect for you. If you make it clear that good behaviour gets rewarded and poor behaviour has consequences, you may have noticed. I have not used the word like or love up into this point, describing the human canine relationship that is now an accidental omission of purposely not used those words because too far often I encountered whose immediate response to a dogs to try and get the animal to like them. In doing so, they make fools of themselves, the dog eyes- possum, put themselves in danger because they assume that they know that how they Neither dog is ok with a different dog and mistakenly believe that, because, all the nice things they do for their pet, their dogs should obey their wishes and desires unconditionally. You take one concept away from this from this big part of the book it's this dont mistake liking for respect dont mistake obedience for trust we could be.

Talking about human beings right there- clearly, especially kids, absolutely tents and employees yeah, because it's not a popularity contest. And that's where so many parents and administrators, or coaches or supervisors providers etc go go wildly wrong is is worrying what somebody thinks about them. You know and again a minutes to draw back to the microcosm of the dog training processes at that MIA. What what's the end goal get near kids warrior employees would arrest to thank your cool, isn't part of the process has no no relevant swim in. It has no no product productivity, there and in what's in arresting leaf leaf used to run the jobs. Of course, the June for training course, which is the guys that the while she coming on and there was a on after this the other end of spectrum. There is an officer that would come

The talk and eventually life out there, like back the guy, tactically out of the schedule, because would say if you're, an officer. And your men, like you you're doing our job. That's not what we're talking about here. You know it's not that you don't zadig! You want your dog to aggressively hate you when you don't want your employees to think this. Guy doesn't care about me. In fact, I talked about this. A little while ago, like the more you, the more you care about your people, the more they care about you, the better performance they they deliver right and if they do Thank you care about them I can deliver any kind of performance other than the absolute minimum, that's required in from from the dog. Back to that's where you know there is a little bit of a difference in that with dogs. It's about engagement one of the examples I this is how many times have you done to a park? Writing.

See there's and usually dad's, but not in others, the dad sitting on a bench on his phone and his kids are swing and plant. I order and he's a bluish like the Hague kidnapped and they will be better on fourchan whereas that day is pushing on this plan tag Jason around grab ass with him all that kind of stuff. Now when he goes, hey only what you do, I tat because the park, but those are two despairingly different experiences now think about from the perception of where the kids are at the difference, like it, night day same thing with a dog. You know, and that's one things, I'm I'm so adamantly against dog works. Dog parks are the ipads. Two dogs. What what ipads articles you know that you can't have a substitute for that engagement with them here. You can't outsource your relationship, If that happens, we way too often again weathers with kids MID dogs would ever like you know There is an element of just like with anything. Is that you know, there's no training,

franchises that damn actually plan on launching here later this year to help with that process? But it is it's an Augmentin, and there is no substitute for for what you have with with your dog, with your spouse or children. Whatever there's there's, nobody, that's going to be able to make that work for you. If you don't want to just like something comes and make me a good good, Jiu Jitsu artists like when you got wanted. First, like you got to be willing to put the time in dogs is no different. To that point, here's back to the book. The bottom line is that if your dog is in doing what he is supposed to or you want him to its, not the dogs fault. It's your fault, bill if it's your fault for not spending the diamond trade and properly or not being observed it as urban and enough to recognise early on when and how your relationship may be out of balance. Many people are too lazy to achieve the results they want. If having a spectacular relationship with your dog were super easy, everyone would have a habit. I wouldn't be run this book right now,

common excuse, I here all the time is I don't have time I can assure you you do have the time what you do have is your priorities in the order they need to be too high a great relationship with your dog. This is a little bit of extreme ownership for your dog. At some we sail doc. You teams are doing a good job whose fault is it? It's your fault? You're, the boss? That's whose fault it is. Eminent and what I would hope is that the peace that read that read that that that you can take that that self evaluation seriously. You know and then again I'm in when I eat when I read extreme ownership was like yes, it just textbook. You know it did the same same exact principles and you know it, if, if you're the one in charge, guess what else? If it's not gone well, doesnt work down is not trickled trickled down responsibility. You know a good go straight. The top and then that's something on I'm out of adamant about with my employees. Is that of? If you don't understand you screw up

within reason. It's it's generally gonna. Be my fault, you know, if you don't stand what you're supposed to do or eat me. No something happened the day that you weren't prepared for. Ever than. Ultimately, it's my bad weather. It's me putting the wrong person and in a position to experience that or mean giving you the guidance prior to putting you and not experienced bill to deal with it because without this dynamic and just like in the workplace, no training people to work with some of these dogs that we get in. Like you minutes, it's no circus. Circles, but is no joke, can be a service. But it's the same same type stuff. About building relationships year gone back to the book working in my twenty of working dogs are still put myself in the dogs position and understand that it was important to establish a positive report with that animal. Before I begin making too, any demands on, so that this is the crux of many of us were I, wouldn't you nothing that that's in this book or anything that I subscribe to

Isn't not anything new men people been have domesticated animals for thousands? here's. What I will say is that I, generally don't find people spending as much time on that that simple component as much as I and this is where I draw from my time, with a hard driven down working dogs there biting people want when you get in a bite suit and your can a dog and and developing him no different than you'd bring up a young fighters that that that is what what a difficult job is to do is to is to build confidence. And and with dogs. You know that the nice thing is is that when it comes to the to aggression, praying defense or two sides of the same coin. You know just like reproduction. Reproduction and killing are two sides of the same coin,

is that when I'm, when I'm in that suit- and I'm reading that dog, I'm I'm exuding and all of these things on him- I'm making him uncomfortable and putting them in defence of drive and then when he was on the way that I won't give me, no aggression responds in kind with aggression. I I go back into pray, DR, take all that pressure off and reward him coming forward. I'm teaching him to fight me and then come forward lay aggressive, but the way that that I have been able to develop that same strategy with pet dogs is because, when you're in a suit in dealing with these dogs are drawn up, twelve out of ten by comparison, the pet dogs we deal with is it you have to be so over overblown or so dramatic with what how you doing it to be able to effect these dogs at now you're dealing with pet dogs. It's actually really easy, but What is that made me realize it's just that same concept. It works the exact same way with those dogs is that

it is the entering that dogs, mind and getting that relationship. First, for you have that you are completely wasting your time doing anything else again, no different than you know if your boss, with employees or military leader or pick anything, is that if, if there isn't trust in relationship there first as the foundation Europe, we are building a shanty on on sand. In terms of of everything else, you try to do that without that your you're essentially wasting your time, and so I m or so hard on their relationship component, because it is it's a minute, that's a universal truth and life hell. I ended escalate to the more you build that relationship. The more you can demand,

Of course you in a relationship or not too many people, the more you build relationship, you more! You can ask her for someone to give to you in the more they'll do for you, because you have a good relationship with him is also a reason special on my online training, the the first five months. There's no corrections whatsoever. There's no punishment, there's there's nothing at all: bonding relationship building and reinforcement shaping behavior; that's not bad, the reason. Why is it allow times people that on our relationship with a dog logs, getting into acts or doing why or whatever, let's put upon cholera, remote collar on? What's punish him a lot of people? training franchises, that the backbone is using remote collar. To tell you a vehement Lee disagree with him. It's not about cruelty thing. It's about an understanding is that if I see if I have a great relationship with that dog and

the work environment, whatever spouse, and then we ve gone the full run of shaping and reinforcing desired behaviors, and I have clearly communicated to him and positively taught him what the expectations are now, when he's not performing up to that standard. Now, if I correct him and punish him, guess how much more effective it is you know because at first it's your just you're just some other jerk debts Put your knee in my ribcage or electrocuted Mary jerk me off my feet with a prom college. Like all the rest of, whereas now it's like your dad's, am disappointed in your. What of its roots, It's a lot more impact. Will that way you know. So it means more. Dogs is back to the book, dogs, respect confidence, power and authority and by dawn I mean all dogs, I don't care, Much will now for all

dog is assumed. When someone comes along, who exhibits those three trades to a greater degree than day, they will step aside with the exception of the the formula for the chemical iceberg, those those are dogs that I can assure you that nobody on the eighty three million doggone or pet spread spectrum have ever run into. You know these are unicorns for sure. Would you do with those dogs bread, bread, some of them, one of them, was out on the West Coast actually has as a working now just retired you're, not not too long ago. If I had to pick probably the most gifted physical across the board dog I've ever come across. It was a dog that there was out there for several years and that came in. We put him through his first handler course. I need to be deployed in several deployments and just naming is a freak. You know I absolutely freaking butt

the first years, if I store the first time, I met him through running our our handler course at Auburn University at their k, nine detection Research Institute back when I was still an in and progress. This isn't two thousand and eleven. We brought the dog in Amanda we're staying at a local hotel there and it's eight. We can of course put the dog through and then I, my very first introduction to him is he was staying in the room with his handler and they'd spend some time together and it started the bond and it was like Holiday Inn Express they had free pizza and so course I'm I'm not going to pass up free pizza, so I got a paper plate with a couple pieces of pie on it and I walk into the room. The dog just kind of cocks, looks at me runs over and literally like a dude like a team guy jumps out just back laughs at right. Out of my hand, leans down and starts eaten it, and then I started the lean down. It just looks up, and been around enough dogs where, like I was like nah, I'm just going to let you eat that enjoy that treats on me buddy and

so time I saw our dogs working in Africa who brought him out we're we're doing some training and you know it was set up, but the It was due to hit in the building in there, the guy that was going to run and ecorse going to run, and I was out there and men when they see the deep I go, and you see the dogs, ISA and the dog. Can feel it. Man this door is ready to murder this guy, as if this is the most insane level of passion based on the end of that thing and that He could see the handers. Let let a blend build, let it build better build. He pulls that quick release. Bro I was like, oh my god, insane to watch him fire off and he took off like ten feet, Do we finally got he's going to million miles an hour across the field he takes off about tat, feet and just nails as guy dragging their as okay. This is a

little system to implement here not mean from the new thing about. I think capability wise. Is it it's? it's it's a non lethal form of their of capture. You know, which is obviously very valuable. The deterrent aspect, the cycle, logic, intimidation, factor, yeah, that's a real beautiful thing to others. There's a lot of elements too to Heaven those dicers there's just now. It's amazing! You see it, especially in law enforcement. You know, but you'll have eyes, it will literally stand. There was armed officers and fight all six of them? drawn on getting dazed pepper, spread you throw a sixty five pound plantier little little mound, while the dude lay straight down regard not out of it and that's amazing. But you know what you think about it from from again from the human component of its not natural to me tat by an animal? Nor is it something

people are comfortable with be have ever experienced, most people of mixed up If they're getting drawn on by six officers, price, probably not their first fistfight, but so that that element of is is prettier is pretty back to the book. The lacs permissive attitude that exist in our schools are homes in our society in general, has trickled down into how we interact with our pets. While there are some benefits to our living in a kinder and gentler, Sucide and also few drawbacks, is it particularly this True as it pertains to dogs, somebody believe it's impossible, have a well trained dog and never have to physically correct that dog. I wish that were true, but is not the case. Let me clear I dont employed it. Dont advocate the use of any kind of unnecessary force, but please stand this important point? If you ever do is reward your dog for good behavior, you of and you have no consequences for bad behaviour than dog will not have a complete understanding of what the spectre of self. When you

talking about you know that fact that you, sometimes you have to use a call, a pinch collar. You have these show collar, you might have to use a digit. Was remote collar you might have to do that stuff. In fact, you probably well. The ear I mean there's, there's always a chance mean that the best way I can cannot break it down, as this think of it from raising kids were again employees like it. If, if the, if the consequence, is- is the absence of reward? That's it. You know that. Yes, you may come across a dog, but against, as an outlier exception anomaly. Whatever coin phrase you want to use, that don't those aren't realistic aspirations to have with a dog like just like with kids, if you dont cleaner roaming, I can get those penal them and aims okay, well I'll, go! Do it then, maybe like any I'd rather not have been in MMS and just not clean. My room now they're going to do about it then it'll like you're, going to run into that as a dad color

cattle broad. In also in that, it's a bit of an over simplification. In terms of the EU Well, what it really boils down to his is a win: how how often you know things like that- I'm item- if it really is not so much a matter of if it's when it just being so about how your implementing it Salute day, its effective new kind, my rules of thumb for implementing compulsion or positive punishment. Is this: it is not one euro emotional about it. It's not the dog does not understand why it's happening. And then the last thing is that the instant the behaviour has ceased. The punishment has to also what you find a lot of times, most times and especially early on. If that relationship hasn't been built in that foundation, isn't there again, I can't explain anything to a dog, a lot of a lot of people?

We all have our expectations. I know I want the dog said. I don't want him to grab sandwiches, I don't I'm not the kids over. I want to bark when it's three in the morning, unless there's somebody breaking in he doesn't know any of that and also we have to teach them. And if you again, just like what the human upon, if you're, trying to teach somebody something they don't understand, what's expected of them in your punishing them, for not understanding it. That's all you know and that's unfortunately, that's how most dogs go about their lives. Is that you know I don't have a relationship with this dog when we throw up. Prong collar and e collar on him and make him do these things, and then he just shuts down he's a versatile talk about that. Joey put the e collar on people, and you have them, do a little task, it's a real simple. You know it. It dovetails onto this man of this kind of principle. Is that You know again so that so that you can put yourself in a dog shoes? Is that and so what I do when I run hammer courses don't say it. You too, have you be the handler echo. Is the dogs were

the collar on his bicep Austria, take you out in the next room, Roger that we'll, take the out room? It's ok! I want to come back, and here I want you to get echo to take this echelon front thing put this here and put that their that, is his task for those who are listening. It's a menial task is put a pencil and paper clip onto a box and they're gonna be sitting on the table in the middle of the room all suffer from each and there's a bunch of others. There's a bunch of crap you. So when we come I can now you don't say anything to him: we're not allowed to talk and ensono ECHO just starts grabbing stuff and every time he grabs the sharpie. You get shocked, he grabs the the tea, he get shocked, grabs the knife and get shocked messes with the paper get shot after five or six maybe ten now he's a strong guy can take. Take some punishment. You crank it up, he's not getting his mess with the wrong stuff, I'm going to I'm going to hammer and harder what's he gonna, do for very quickly he's gonna. Do this? He just gonna sit here and say: I'm not touch it anymore has is be becomes of save to all the stimulus stimuli

on the desk on it as versa, and so what that teaches that if your dog doesn't understand that that that's what happens in and that's the position you're putting your dog in as the very one european and socks so dont do it? Is it you ve explained to him what what you want, and you do that through shaping and reinforcing, and so the trans. Versus now we go out. We pick a different drill and come back again and now you have a clicker with humans. You can say hey. The click means that that it's good with dogs. Obviously have the pair something to it, but you click on a tree near you click and given the jellybean or whatever but dad can you come in and end The only absence of that is when he met like if, if he grabs the sharply now, that's not power the drill, nothing happens very quickly. The dog. Do. What was called learns through self discovery and start to offer behaviors you probably

it and in your dog. Sometimes when they just start doing stuff looking to you, if you have something and they start doing arbitrary movements there, trying to figure out what it's gonna take for them to do to get what what they want, that you have and so now you wait and once that, once he grabs what what you want you market and so nice Ok, what something with us and now it's fun! It's a game is trying to figure out his minds. Working is positive, but his havin fun. The for example, it sucks in all its painful it, stressful others, core, resolves, chaotic and again that say plus beak, and you said, the percentage of success is in. The first method is Urundi Roper ughi I've not ever done that and I've done it. God knows how many times I have never done that Burma or somebody successfully perform that task. Not one time transverse. I'd say. The only time were where they haven't been successful is due to brevity. Is that its taking longer, but they they either get really close, or they finish it

and everybody's laughing, and I was because the name of the whole rest of classes watching and then do they usually laughing during the e collar one, but it it it. It paints a very clear picture because a lot of times, people that have not put herself in in a dog shoes again just like with leadership cuz you got to relate you gotta understand, How it's gonna impact people on your implementing different protocols were procedures or leadership, principles what is look like on the other side, and it doesn't matter if it makes sense to me it a matter of it. If it seems sound to me, if they viewed as like, crap is unfair, whatever it may be, but you ve got it. You ve got to figure out how to manipulate it so that that they are stand by what the expectations are be, what the consequences are and then see, ultimately what what comes from both of those depending on what they choose? to do that. To me. That's the beauty of opera conditioning with with dog training. Is that you're your letter the dog dictate the consequence

no different than with any of us? If they enjoy it, you know, and it stimulates their mind which they need, which is another Bennett, the bonding. An relationship with them is because, if you are the one stimulating their mind, guess what now they want to hang out with you more? They will listen to you more. Your your bluechip bank just gets overloaded because they ve had so many positive experiences where they ve had different thing is that this desire belong here and the doesn't mean anything to them, but they're, just trying things out, and now they do it to get smart and rewarding it's fun. It's a game, and it's just it's. It's a self replicating process that that has a ton of benefits for for you. In I thought this part was interesting. You're, just it's important to know as well to understand dogs a little bit better a dog sense of smell is somewhere between ten thousand and a hundred thousand thousand times as sensitive as our own there's. A PBS television show Nova, whereas James Walker in this is a call from the book he said. If you make the analogy: division what you,

I can see at a third of a mile. A dog could see more than three thousand miles away and there's another example Alex, and draw Horwitz the offer of in Not a dog did some thing similar, but the comparison in the olfactory realm you can tell when your coffee has to your sugar in it by taking a sip of it, a dog could see. That same teaspoon of sugar dilute in a million gallons of water, just by using his nose That's insane London from us. For US others, two reasons why it's important working dog side, it's it's pretty, it's pretty clear to see the benefits it that has in terms of sniffing explosives that are buried in detecting people that are hidden and false floors and tracking people. Things of that nature on the on the pet dogs. I'd were that comes into play. Is it that same from our relationship standpoint is that they recognize you

by the way you smell. They recognize your kids by the way they smell in terms of training, interacting with them. Using treats, rewards toys things of that nature. It's united. It plays big, big dividends or pays big dividends to so it just one more component that you know the reason that the that the book is called the Navy. Your way in the third one thing I can say that I wish I had done a better job with was kind of rules. Why why that is, is that you know when I think about our reputation and are efficacy and success community since its inception, Why is that you know, and it's it's everything that's in this book just related to dogs as well as it comes by selection. You no have have a very stringent selection process, but then, above and

On that note, seals don't have. That is the success and reputation because because their good shots or inroad shape or have great intelligence, or have some of the best platforms and in augments in terms of closer supervisor, whatever it's because they have all of those things in it. It's it's managing the the every single intangible that you can possibly manipulate and control and stack that deck in your favour. So it's not just training, it's not just selecting the right dog. It's not just feeding them good food. It's not just keeping them in good physical, condition in an ideal body weight it. It's not anyone. You know component of that, it's all of them, and so the Navy see away it's it's more about us on a man, a big scale in terms of how we ve gotten to two, where we ve gotten by using all of those same same concept. You know, and I used all of those same concepts as a trainer in terms of my selection process- is: is God awful?

there's times or we would go on and on trips- to feel fine dogs and and and since then even were you may look at dozens or even hundreds of them to find one in? Oh, you know, sims, I would say, probably attrition rates or even even worse than than buds. You know again, you may have a fraction of a percentage we're in the single digit percentage of dogs that I look at that actually end up making it. So you know, but it it's v at crocs of and again same the same with business. It is not just haven't, got accounting, it's not just having good leadership is not good, just having good recruiting. It's not just haven't good budgeting and finance, it's all of those things and then, when you manipulate the environment and stack the dock in your favour, make things very consistent in black and white. Have a I deal might have an idea. Your mind of what that finnish product is and be a visualize that nowhere you're out develop a plan and executed it again. It just goes back to the dog training as it did at the mimics life. But

talk about this thing in in the book. You talk about look for the intelligence behind a mistake. What do you mean by that I found that pretty cool, so the the intelligence behind mistake is is essentially a teaching moment. We know is that understand why it was made. Ultimately, its it's you as the handlers fault for why mistakes are made, but I understand why the dog made the mistake, you know, and it could be, its genoa, gonna gonna be reduced down to lack communication on your part, a confusion of expectations on the dogs same with humans, a few humans before those same with humans here and then, and then the glass sandwiches- They want. The most imperative things same with humans is is bringing emotion into the the equation. Dogs are while they have some simple emotions that mimic humans. Nowhere near as complex one, the jokes. I start a lot o my s. Speeches out with his girlfriend.

Out who loves you more. Your spouse, your dog, lock, both in the trunk, your car for two hours after two hours can pop the trunk, whose happier to see doglike body or a ban. You life going to slap the highest, so that they are, that simple in its it's, an Achilles heel of sorts were taught him out. Before we came on a cup came on areas the Iphone. That's really dot. Dogs are actually so simple that that we as humans, because we're so much more complicated. Now I think, an emotionally charged in and what have you that we make it way. More complicated and harder to train them actually are its we need to oversimplify it and then to me not to get too far off on a tangent, but it's it's kind of like world world policy in a foreign policy from a from an international, The point is that sometimes the simplistic solutions are the best for the most complex problems, you no foreign policy, being a bar fight. You know If, if, if you're going to go, walk in that bar you're going to get in a fight, you know and you better bring it

to bear to make sure that that you're safe but realise that by working in their new matter, whose side you take no matter what happens you're going to create at least one enemy, probably several so you better make damn sure that going into that bar is worth going into before eel into it. To me, that's a pretty simple solution is a simple way to look at the world's problems. We don't do that now we over complicated but same say: mentality with a dog goes is the most times it's the most solution to what youth think or perceive as the most complex problem and is really not that complicated yeah, you talk about you, you go through a whole section, that's about reading your dog in and what signals to look for answers. Thing with people you you're gonna, learn how to read people, but you talk about their eyes. You talk after ears. What their ears are doing. Your talk about what their tail on this is all things you told me when I was getting my dog is your things to look for in a man spot on just just looking at their posture

Interestingly, we just Jordan Petersen on we talked a lot about posture. He's got a new book out called twelve Well, rules for life in the first chapter, how to live your life? The first chapter is stand, straight with your shoulders. Back like yeah and you can see that in dogs, you can see that you know in the way that you stand around your dog voter talked about that a bunch today, but to defend. Make sure that you have good posture as like simple, as that may sound, and what do you have the picture of a dark so this is where it depends on what the boy you looking for What the end goal is right. I'm looking for a pet than I buy, probably don't wanna cocky scorpion tail ears up just out lookin, like King Gong and, unlike he, owns a place for it. Strong, workin doggie, I wanna dogged, that's gonna make make my back in her by grabbing a leash and opening his gate and flipping it to like his dog, making me a little nervous, cuz he's walking around looking at me. Like I don't sweat you.

As want wanna biggest misconceptions is growling people. Think growing growing as weakness growing, this is being scared, men and its peacock feathers. Essentially, it's a dogs way of saying you're, making me uncomfortable I'm gonna, do this and hopes that it makes you may cause you're bluffing backs you down when I see a dog growls, I know I can get in his head faster than a dog is standing there. Looking at me with his tail just for a little bit with his eyes pinpointed. You know, None dilated pupils and looking at me, like dude riot and You know that's the dog. I worry about not the dog growling, with his with his hair up and in his ears back in his in his lips curled. You know that dog, I know how I can run him if, if need be, but it's just a matter of grabbing a hold of yourself and saying, that's we're going to do the man dance and I'm coming after you and ninety nine times out of a hundred. A dog doesn't want to do that. But you know four four Pat and again, it depends on you know my active. Do I want a dog is going to play a different role in terms of protection and binoo? Do I just want

the companion dwell on a docile dog that my kids can snug. Well, you know so to me again just like with the kind of the macro of what what do you want? The dog? You know let that drive your decision and work backwards. There, but none, but the I think the key point is here know that there's trades or visual clues that you can look for that indicate what kind of a dog we're gonna personality, the dog s. And if you dont know those and you just go to a random place- and you pick the that came up to you fast is and was wiggling or the dog was all shine, looks so cute in the corner. There are consequences to get those dogs and they are all over the place and if you don't know what you're getting you're wrong what an elder conversation we here before you were selected yours, you know that you hear a lot of things- bills out, turn the dog upside down to put on his back and see. If he's calling me on those people, if he's calling us when you want exactly that's the one, you went to me that it's all talk crap, honestly

What I like to do is just like in any other selection process. I want to take the dog out of his comfort zone and see now see how it how you react. Comfort zone as where he's been raised, where he's been living with his letter. Mates within his mom You know if you go to a breeders house and you evaluate a puppy with. The litter running around in the mom standing there. You are not getting an accurate representation. What that dogs, genetic components are not even close, there. There are so many things that have been smoked in mirrored in Dogs benefit, he's, going to look, much stronger and better and then active and drive your and dominant and whatever. Then, then, he truly is, do you want you see that dog it at his genetic face value. Take him somewhere, where you know he hasn't been by himself. Will you tell me

deeper. We have is a great because there's things going on an obvious stuff, there's noises, there's a bunch people run and robs there's other dogs in their kids. There's our counter chaos going on in the hurry, but there are many of you will find out about a dogs, environmental nerve faster than anything there you know, and so, but it can be anywhere there could be a parking lot, be Walmart, be an airport. Where were you can find a home depots? Gonna be flooded with there S. Dogs is by the way, just f. Why I just dogs like puppies they're not penetrate, yet So, if why for everyone here, there's a cool story, you put hear back to the book Carlos came to my care several years ago. He was seven years old at the time, but he had been had to retire from the teams. During operation and Iraq ran on arrayed that resulted in an intense firefight he and his hand the reproach to building suspected of housing cat munitions, just shortly, entryway a remotely detonated Idee through

her back several yards Carlos broke his back and his hind legs and hips and color Stu sinuses and his lungs for private, reasons I can't go to the injuries his hammer sustained other than to say that they were extensive. Medical personnel acted quickly, both the dog and the hammer survived car nearly prevented that emergency treatment from being initiated despite the severity of his injuries- he cried. Through his Hamburg side and took up a different the perimeter near his fallen. Comrade no one trained Carlos to do that. He did. For one reason: loyalty and not near that can't be taught you know, just like it can't be in, and people can be reinforced can be condition tweaked a little bit one way or another. It can be looking for sure, but that that is, in my opinion, a primal genetically inherited trait that either exists or doesn't just like with heart. You know, and that's that's something. That's excruciating Lear are obviously both in human

diamond dogs and it's one of the one always I test a dog is, is that is that want to test her heart and and see if, if, when push comes to shove, if they, if they want to fight me, you know, and then was was a warrior of of the highest magnitude. No doubt about it, you know he'd spent several years with us and then ended up. I retired him too, of a dog friend of mine and floor that had him for a little while last picture, I gotta got of him- was watching the Superbowl and on a leather couch for the communist authorities. He died right. I got the full spectrum, got the full retirement good deal. Dogs possess your back to the book. Dogs possess the capability to be loyal, capable to be loyal dog owner as Doggery, should not take our loyalty for granted or exploit it? You should work to give your door a reason to be most loyal to you, he can possibly be. I mean design not go a hundred percent with human beings as well. It's

you don't let your dog know that he can trust you yeah be a leader. Your people know they can trust you I mean come on here. Another interesting little store you got in here, so we got a guy Bob who, whenever is work on his car, he loses temper goes crazy for US tools around. He has no his dog doesn't like it back When Bob lost his cool, even though Bogdan direct any of his anger at his dog Rudy, the dog wanted no part of that scenario, maybe we was more sensitive to those kind of responses than other dogs might have been, but Rudy basically lost respect for Bob. Bob was the guy he expected to be in command and control, and he wasn't what made them worse for Bob, was that he knew. That was the case, so so the reason I pull that one out is because again I talk about I gave you lose your if you lose your tempers leader, your your week, you're you're gonna, look week. You appear to be weakened and some people can't control her temper, that's just wrong, but even a dog even die

ugh will look at a leader that loses his temper and go ok. I can't I get my follow. You lets me, I would say not not so much. Even a dog out say especially to forget the other young, because its I can't I can't talk to my it's. A haze are about that. Alas, my school sovereignty, and again he I'm still your boss, but in all its. Let me make it up to you whatever you're, not not that that's how you'd approach it anyway. But My point is that you know you have that that eight plus beagle see principle in everything. You know it's, whether its shaven behaviour that you desire, Desiredst, eliminating undesirable problem, behaviors that you inadvertently created its breaking breaking, try Stan and ruining relationships, among other things, I like to tell people and again ass with with male human relationships. Also, that trust is like a piece of paper when, when you break

It's crumbling it up into a ball. You know you, you can flatten it back out. You can iron it. You can get it real close, but it will never be the same. If you know, if you truly break it, you know the way lotta people do be careful with that. You know cause yeah I get one one crack ruining it an end and the new year faced with battle than I sang with dogs, were there more forgiving and and pliable mentally than than our human. He put him in the trunk of the car for a couple hours and you still aright, You did the transfers of that as it is. If you show your dog flapper unflappable, you consistently projecting image of authority. Your doggerel understanding count on you said, Sir, don't lose your temper and don't do that as a leader. Either here's another one that you throw in. Rewards, like corrections should be proportional. The way to reduce the effectiveness of reward to overuse it? That's all sleep through with people as well. For some if you're, if you're, not just with your point,

judgment and summary makes a small mistaken. You could hamper them destructively not helping you and at the same time, if everything that they do good you're jumping up and down, A year later, that's not gonna. Do you any good either say with a dog sure, The other thing that the varying the reward schedule and also there's time you were echoes island, a variable were words right. Isn't some kind of theirs psychological, like a logical hungrier, with dogs, it's in its me about something with with iphones now yeah like you're looking for the little thing to pop up- and you think maybe this is the message from from whoever the President's visit. Could be the one could meet alone. Instead is just an advertisement for something something for one day the message from the president, but it keeps you the games. You again how many of those who young what

so he's very boards with the dogs. So what, with the with training it, it's kind again agenda two thousand document of process at first, it's every time you know so that their the consistency that so that that that's the explanation of the expectation is that you do this. You get that you do this. You get that until now spits wired once its wired. Now it becomes just like if every time they pick anything preventing you like enough every Friday or haven't stake ice cream like after awhile diagnostic ice cream again so that that dog get to a point where now its actual and stay guys. Graven tofu murders, jokes on new insights, away you know so now, whatever it took that week to get steak and ice cream on Friday, maybe I'm in work a little harder and you, you'll see that out of him, and so in. This is more on the on the competitive side. But you know when you, dawn on flashing us and precision and speed of execution when it comes to different behavioral components of obedience, routines and people want to speed.

Up and make them more laser like in their precision, that's a very effective way to do Is it now? Sometimes we get it? Sometimes you don't so now the dogs the lottery mentality of doing scratch off tsunami, nobody wins the that the power ball, but the scratch us it's like you know, may twelve box like an almost by what I d spent on an almost got my money back on by him again, but it, but why No human beings are wired that same way, how many people waste their money on scratch offs a bunch of them enough. For that same reason, it's it's. It's a psychological aspect that there that actually is very powerful in a dog, but that the caviar to that is that you make sure that it's an ingrained conditioned response before you start to another, but yet his powerful in terms of the flooding when I when I'm bridging certain things together like if I wanna go from I'll teach a dog to recall which has come to me first, when I'm teaching him to to get his back

into his shoulder hits my knees, starting it get kind of a healing position in the sitting position. That's one km and then actually walking. Often and starting to heal, while on bridge all that together sit so won't! You know if I just give him the what I call a plots command, which is dutch for place. Is it the dog? You know it? It does all of that and he comes here and gets into class and we and then we heal off finally went when I bridge certain things together. If I've been building a couple, different components and when, when clicks the very first time I'll flood five six, Seven rewards all all right it at that. So like I'll pay day jackpot and again me me me me me: the assets it's gonna, almost of successive proclamation in terms of new teaching different different steps in order from than in Georgia, too different elements of a move or whatever, and then once it's paired all together. Now they get the tap out there like sweet. You know same same type, type of thing, digging winning back

book. Beware that your dog has no concept of what words mean in other If you repeatedly say the word down, as in down down down your dog, will associate that more lank free expression as his cue to lie down, keep it simple and clear, simple, clear, concise language. I did you talk about the book. I did the broccoli thing with my with my dog with my wife and she was all shocked because it as I get your dog you, even though you think your dog knows what you're saying you actually has no idea and then will you use out about the book I do with my dog yesterday I said our dog has no idea. What is what we're saying, because we mean just that he has no it's. It means he's really mean. I should watch this again become he came over and I said Broccoli and he's. Sat right down, it was like I said, and she was all looking or confused. That's right, these dogs on over it, but it's the body language and its the expectations that whatever little subtle cues I have when I want to sit. I did it, and I just What came out of my mouth was broccoli context on represent what

dogs are near that the beauty of dogs is how powerful contacts the Achilles heel is also contacts in it. For that same reason, but yeah, it's it's important to her to make that just and that's where you know using using that shaping of behaviour is your best friend. In terms of like that, I use it. Ass room below there's a reason why libraries in classrooms are the environments that they are soon when we teach our kids, what we want them to know it's a distraction. Free environment is positive learning experience it's it's a petri dish for educate When, when you try to to, Do things were the dogs in the house in doing all these other things You always other stimuli going on, and then it's distracting in the dogs, not picking it up, and it's not building at contacts. So I use a forty by forty training. Classroom is just too it's a fenced in area with thing in it and we go in there and I just stand, there wait for a new start doing stuff and then I'm a market reward and shape it in and from there. I

to shape and little micro nuanced in others? This turns his head, won't know a fraction of a degree one one direction. I mark that reward from trying to teach a place command. He looks at the bad market. Rory takes one step a market or in its bid on that, over and over and over again in the next thing is once they dogs can have to learn how to learn that way you'll, see that light bulb will on as soon as they understand. Ok, you what I want and I have to earn it have to figure out what it's gonna take to get it and they start to offer these raw offer behaviors through self discovery. Then there's one when you own their mind and you can teach him anything. That's wonderful! thanks. I teaches is a place command for that that simple reason alone, as that is so powerful on a dog. If, if he can look at many Ngos dude has what I want, and I have to actually go away where to get it then sits on step. And I know this questions gonna get asked all the time, but you put it in here

Not only is it possible to teach your dogs to perform tracks, but I believe you should, regardless of the dogs age, so you can in fact teach an old dog new tricks. Everybody's got here everyone old, what about puppy, You do fill up the hard drive at some point with a cat learning new, without forgetting something else not anymore than any of us they can learn that they will continue to learn and to me one of the reasons dogs, as with people expire earlier than they probably need to us, because the lack of of that stimulation that mental stimulation even if the mine area, one of the body can can perform there's a lot other ways that you can get dogs distant. Might there Minden and keep them younger and healthier and happier than than just let them expire on a dog bed in a five feet away from you? letting your heart git

too much in the way of your head and, what's best for your dog, will end up, causing that heart more pain in the long run, discipline equals freedom, a man right. I've been with you, but undisciplined dog that dogs can be miserable, you're going to be miserable. Everything sucks pretty much absolutely minutes, like. I said I M in the as one of my big goals. Moving into this year is is based. Starting like a shelter campaign of sign. For online training, saving a dog and relaunch and your real soon, but I I firmly believe me or what you want to call a calling or whatever is it. My goal is to is to revolutionize how your average everyday dog owner views, communicates listen interacts with their doors because how the dogs a year get sent to the pound three point: three million dogs every year get surrendered to two shelters across his countrymen

It varies year to year, but usually between six and set six hundred and eighty and seven hundred and fifty thousand dogs a year get euthanized it's over two thousand dogs everyday, getting put to sleep in this country. Even at those numbers it's not as bad as it as it was, but it still ashen behind the way I look at it. Very simply is that you know: shelters, God bless him, our great great sources, and we as Americans very charitable vote. Up, our hearts and Walton, and provided prettier astounding resources for animals, whether its day s pc age. As U S whatever shelters, rescue organizations, you name it, but to me it's it's! It's no different! throwing money at the symptom, It's not addressing the problem. The problem is wire that getting there in the first place, I mean just with three million dogs out there. You can't have enough resources to to accommodate that. You know, and so it's it's like

like the the pharmaceutical industry. You know it's it's it's dealing with the symptoms and not trying to fix fix the problem you known of. Of course, there is potentially some politics involved with that and in terms of maintaining funding and salaries and jobs. I get all that, but to me a shelters number one goal should be to have zero dogs in it. You know if, if, not enough as not your goal, you're wrong and I'll call any one of them out right now: male. Your goal should be to be out of a job and in my view, and you know it into me. That starts with with teaching people how to Communicate with their dogs and its everything we ve talked about, but it's It's really not that complicated unit in the the gratification you get from doing it yourself in the understanding of your dog. It did Franz ends just that you know just like them. You know with what you do what you do You know you can take all of these same lessons in applying to your kids, to your spouse, to your business partners to your employees, whatever

and in an all works the same way we're close out the book? I'm can run through these fundamental principles you have an as I'm saying I think, about not just dogs, but everyone that doesn't have a dog think about people Anyone it's in a leadership position think about leading those people as it applies dogs. One look, things from the dogs perspective? How often is it we get some of that works for us and we don't think about what's going through their brain and why? What we're saying how what we're saying to them or how? What we're making them do in back them up? shit. The differences in how dogs use their senses to perceive the world same thing think about that well that you ve got workin for you Could the intelligence behind mistake you already Yuri talked about that ward, good behaviour die, but How often do we not do that as a leader, punished extremely bad behaviour door again But how often do we let little things slide? We just if

letting things slide, and we want to be late day after day. Oh, that's, ok, we're saying it's! Ok next, be consistent in the application of awards and punishment or very go. This is as they deal with kids. If you're Talkin distant with the kids, like they dont work and and I think, opposite dogs actually occurred if they think they can get away with that one. Like a variable reward. You want a variable punishment. They figuring out what they're, they're gonna gambled away again without mid dodgy docile tests water on you pretty hard lot of them are more more intuitive and sharp than you think. Keep a motion, evaluation of good and bad and the application of punishments, this is, super smart, if especially with kids and with employees and with dogs, but if your punishing, the people or Europe

cars, employees or your dogs? Out of anger, you you're not doing a good job, you're, not doing a good job, in fact just FBI. When I have to do punishment with my kids, I in, like the most cold, blooded cereal murder, kind of way that I can love instructor as if they were completely emotionless as well. You know Unfortunately, I have to do this because of your behavior. So go ahead. Report the variety of so they're gonna get UR gonna get hammered, but I think that's better. That's far more impact in may think about above and struggling now, I'm really scream area there. The eyes the antithesis of the Marine corps die like itches white noise. At that point to stand out When I do like whispering like a snatch, the life out of your soul, crushing right from your face- and I just didn't like eighteen years old blown assailed land like Jesus. What did I sign up for

next understand how dogs communicate overwhelmingly through body language and use that understanding and method of communication back to them to elicit the kinds of behaviors. We want an end. We we talk about this point back, are you prepared as before? But they say humans, humans communicate? Even though we're all verbal and all that is an eighty percent- is nonverbal? Eighty percent is nonverbal. This is our proposal, say no know it's not eighty eight, seventy eight, but it's a huge percentage nonverbal. To meet. To me, where I think, to give to off track, Abstract were were the disparity is, is that in with technology, so much of our communication doesn't involve interaction, red you know it's emails, its text messages, even its phone calls whatever you know. So I think in person. Maybe you know but

because there are such that so watered down by everything while people do this, I mean with I've been working with. This is all a type a week. I undercover all kinds. People have an all kinds of problems, because their only communicating through email or through tax, and therefore the people are taking up on all those other signals. Are we have relationship that good Strong, because your I made it talk to you about something, and it wasn't it acts messaging and I didn't put a Ella, well GI, Mogi after it, so you don't think I was joking. All of a sudden. We got an issue like so so this definitely something that we have to remember. That's why I've like a rule ruling emails. I dont joke around and emails mom make jokes and emails. I just comply, leave, we know each other and we we can get. We get there, but joking around your five, a client, I'm not saying you know, I'll be there in a few weeks. I hope we will be able to sort your ass out there. There like wait, wait a second, even I'd be getting, but they don't know that

through the email back to them, determine our needs and understand how a dogs pray, Dr Energy level and other physical trades contribute to a matrix of behavior. What does that say? No, your people know your people what's wrong what are they motivated by what make them work harder. Next provide a dog with ample amounts of exercise and interaction with other dogs and people in a multitude of different environments when I liked about that is the fact that the obvious, the exercise, interaction multiples of different environments is where I see people a training capacity. They train p Only you want environment, and so they get outside that environment. They fall apart. Feed him. A diet with maximum health benefits within our means. Hey right, eat, good food steak, Basically, we don't. We all know what were the furniture. I brought home some of my bro.

Give me a cow femur. The other day, I brought it home for my dog, a raw cow femur. You wanna talk about upon TAT about rock and roll he's still just getting after us with nature intended before undergoing formal training, develop a bond of mutual trust and respect so get out, relationship going before you demand a bunch of stuff from people becoming figured dogs life that he wants and needs take the time to be paid. Should do multiple repetitions, building different levels of distraction employ variable reward schedules all to ensure that a concept is for the embedded in dogs mine now talk a little bit about jujitsu here, you gotta do the repetition and then you ve got to do it in different, you got it, you gotta, our walk. You gonna try and our mock live rolling a hundred times before you get one at least a hundred, maybe more, and in order it shorten that time. You can do more drills

and then you can shorten the time from a hundred. Maybe I gotta do it forty four times before it works? You think about learn a new move and you get to it can take all time low, better. You understand it in the ice waited training environment, the quicker you will do in life, and from a behavioral standpoint, is the same thing like teach it in that stir a classroom and then moved into the living environment gone out. Their walks gone past dog parks in a busy playgrounds. Whatever is it. You know people like guys doing great in the classroom when I take him to the park and just lose his mind like. Where did you bridge that You can't go from third grade a sophomore in college and that's what you do unless you're, not you missed me, missed about fifteen steps in the frame there, and also my dog, was distracted in Walmart allocating eighty eight next use

problem solving skills to identify the root cause of the problem and work out the solution to resolve the issue and not just hide it ice loathing citizen relationships in companies where they just everyone is hiding this problem. No one will address the problem. No one's gonna addressed the problem, so we got problems default. Aggressive, get aggressive, find a solution to problems implementing that kind of wrap up. This book legacy dog, is the name of the book: how to train your dog, the Navy see away and goods and they're not just for dogs but for humans as well, and MIKE Abc oppression your service and not only what you did when you're in teams, but everything you ve done. Did once you got out of the teams and thanks for coming. The progress now. I know you got a bunch of things going on right now,

restart? I appreciate monitor it's an honor and happy too happy to do it. The terms are have gone autumn in the media. Crux of what I would pass on to anybody. Listening is is again, as is the trying to get to the root core of of communicating with your dog and in no to me. If, if nothing else, let it be experiment and practice for the rest of your relationships in o because it did does transpire transcend? Rather, you know just just training a dog, but the online training just a month by month, yield thing got a team dog that pet to check that our midst. Team dog dot tat up, that's where you have all training where people can learn to solve

the problems that they have a dog build a good relationship with the Ark entering their dark near just it's a monthly less on its accumulate process. It starts out just like your willing. We talked about building a relationship, first shaping reinforcing behaviour and then workin on extinguishing things, correcting problems, etc. Where does the halfway through the second year of it gets gone gun some really good feedback, there's forums that has I get on there and I answer questions every Monday with with Although the members in the people interact with each other and give each other advice and post videos and and a bunch of other stuff we're going some affiliate apart shit programmes here with those people get another people to sign up soon, but that in conjunction with the book and then launching the Drakos training franchises, which are gonna men all of the people out there that are subscribers. So, basically, working with certified Drakos team dog trainers all over the country that have these franchises everywhere. That help

do you go through this monthly training curriculum, and you know that the crux of it, though, is you know just like with anything you need help from some people who need guidance with learn MPEG less legitimate whatever, but you may have to put the time in yourself, but this will our people to notice to seeks some guidance in person from people through having specific issues or whatever that they're not able to from the online stuff. We just overwhelming feed positive feedback on success story after success story only sixty five year old grandmothers it Heather Labrador out there now healing and walking around odd parks and stuff and in their just low in its pre, but so that That's gonna the big big thing when he talks about try Casalodi enough, we talked about trifles, yet trials of the company that you formed up, while you were still in no. If so this actually my second dog company, but now formed in a little over five years ago, and it The crux of it is is personal.

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give a little bit of a of a of a plug. For that turn, people know what it is so we're dog foundation. We started it back in August of twenty ten and was taken in a little over. Eighty dogs at this point started off. Just doing special operations, dogs bit seal dogs rangers whatever we ve taken in a lot of police dogs, contract working dog, military working dogs and what kind of our main main goal and function with that is to act as a as an indefinite sanctuary for those dogs. First and foremost, when we get a minute, we evaluate him. Some of them we've been able to repurpose what Aden and get the police departments and some of them have come in Spain. A few months ago, we ve got them back to back to service. Working with workin. Weatherman can unwinding their mind a little bit using a lot of the same principles that we ve been talking about today. But more than anything, is that these dogs are at that kind. I were there last resort, they were gonna, get the blue juice here within days, and we step in taken either. Just

continually try to rehabilitate them to where their can to a civilian application or another police department or whatever or which are Let them live out, their life, be a dog, have fun, chase balls and and run around the woods and and hang out and and then I retire in and out to pasture, so to speak, but the Warrior Dog Foundation org site for that. You want to check it out and, of course, were rose, gracious and appreciative of any support if someone that listens, this part just gets all fired up to get a dog obviously get the book. I'm going to take a shower and I'll get the book, so you can make a good assessment, make a good judgment and sink a lot of work to have a dog. I have four kids. I've had dogs, multiple dogs. When I had a bunch of kids, we actually didn't have dogs while because kids in DA jobs are a lot of work, if you are willing to do that, Look into the dog. Then that's: do you not gonna to be a good parents that threat

no you look good dog owner, see. Herr Mozart was wet sideways, their lives that you know you to be a bad dog, daddy, your daddy and enjoy their you're, not really a good dog owner and believe me, I d fire got three daughters and one son. For the years of me, beating them down, saying no dog, no dog, no dog, because I you that I couldn't put enough time and effort. To make it a dog, have a good life and the I'll be squared away and be disciplined and be able to check. My family, so it took a while to get but then funny when my kids were old enough and I got one the house, and now we have a good environment for it. It's a thing about that before you run out by a dog. Yeah I've Suleiman, it's it's like with anything. You know, don't don't do impulse decisions dear due diligence and research and just like you

wouldn't you say out, adopt a kid and see what happens at the hunter. Don't you the same thing with a dog on board. It's right and I go to the scholar. Shelton took up a new dog, not a good girl. Aright echo, we learned a lot about how to help dogs and train dogs. Maybe you could tell us we could help ourselves a little bit. The true that no, I don't have a personality, they have a dog malady, get it that is made better. Maybe that's ok. The document I need only operate conditioning with echoes yea. I flew flimsy, shot, cholera, you find me man anyway. Good news is jocular supplements finally wasted. Finally, not like

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literally and figuratively. You wanna hit this news, what is heating this snooze in life just like? I can't do it right now: Lily S, news and re yeah Is it news? Button should say, hit this button, destroy all of your hopes and dreams stood, whereas the idea, it should say that, but he didn't know what that's like. What like feeling doing it right now I'll, do it in ten minutes Can I give you a product, a recommendation that a new Jacko product there? What do you got developed on us? It say snooze button shot collar, get the piss out. Do you like it? I like it. I were you just you know that you can do. Is you can hit the settings button? You can sleep in and then you can wake up twenty minutes half an hour later with that part of your life gone forever with Europe, with your schedule now being off with the opportune

Improve yourself, physically and mentally gone gone. Can never get it back. You can take that feeling. You can brazen, then you can just go ahead and next time you see that's these button. You could get pissed off and get up and get out of here get after it yeah you and you know what anymore, Maybe echo way of thinking about a the you, don't even benefit from the five minutes. Another way it's our ten or hardly any. Finally, yours embedded worse over there, I mention more tired yeah because Not like you like a thing. I need the nine minutes of fleet or whatever, and then you like you get the idea that nine minutes really help. Me is not like that and worries that said your worst virus, so don't hit this news, but in the event of uniting help, not heeding this news. You listen the psychological warfare, and this goes for any other little moment a weakness like The worrying for they knew we know this way. We do with part life,

nonetheless, I just got I've got my first like mad look for macro. None of you got some before Well, not knowledge about. If you look at me real, Madame a genuine by the way. Nonetheless, you listen, psychological wherever it's an album with tracks, joggled tracks, Jack, telling you. Why you shouldn't hit this news, skip the work out each donuts. Though not sure good, is like a coded, lies why you shouldn't procrastinate, which is a big deal you. They procrastination, I think, is worse than heating. Business was the same thing. It is something that is here. It's it's a physical and cycle. Go manifestation of procrastination without emotion, yeah you're, safe by your. It also say procrastinate now, go duchess button and actually, in a way it even worse. Actually, straight up We can snooze, but in at least has like timid,

later. The alarms coming back ART museum, same procrastination is an indefinite sneeze. What Mary she caught the procrastination button, yeah, that's what is called that's what we call on the Jacko alarm clock. Poor merit is, but that's what it's like: Bloodworth Orford Day HALO, when chuckled Are you in in his terms why you should, or should it do things it makes sense? when you just said the Jackal on block the real one of the reasons why we actually made this was because people set caps. They don't make a blockage. Making work well, this would go with psychological warfare, album you can take those tracks from the album and you can put as your alarm clock, if you choose do that, the big warning is you're married. You don't really want to do. Is to loudly because your life or freaking out a couple, the things you can get Jacques away You can get her on Amazon and if you you're looking to be able to dead, lift eight thousand pounds as a minimum. We have people go above them,

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aided the warrior kid and I think I inadvertently made up the slogan for his soap impulse. It's a simple two tier, but there's layers it's always stay clean so that's it. You know. I always said that this is an old motor heads or its part of but what does the lyrics ever motors its own and and what are you still whenever something tells me all you know I've been doing. I was drinking and have a drink for six months and I haven't you. I was doing How can I have been new code for eight months appreciated her? I was her drug addict or whatever. It is, like all my these people saying stuff online and I always say man keep it up, stay clean now. Think about the literally staying clean, but now we have a proper soap that will help you stay clean. It doesn't mean a twelve year old kid with business That's pretty impressive. It is pretty late this, like that.

This thing from my mind, if you think about what you do you have my word, I would with my friend Jeff I would when people were going to throw put their trays away in lunch, we would call act. There are left over potato chips and in eight them you can say that we carry out a pile of today chips on our trade and we just let loose indifferent was I thinking about running a business was, I think, about China, build a business now as eating massive amounts of potato chips. Just other issues where I was at the other than if you pay for I thought it was so awesome, free, potato chips, Nemo European! Are you! Your parents were getting a potato chips all the time now to have. It gave a mound of tears of more almost more than you could eat, but we did our best to eat yet so that's it! That's a warrior kid books

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MR we're, hang it up we're having lunch we're having dinner ask and answer questions. Were we You there the whole time we ve done for so far. They have also doubt were only doing to this year. Lotta people objecting to this. We don't have time to do more we're only doing too. In DC may seventeenth and eighteenth and San Francisco October. Seventeen eighteenth, that's it. We are not. A rock and roll banned on tour as much as I want to be. This before saying. Well, why don't you come to Seattle and water? you come to Milwaukee in one you come to Norfolk and why you come to Memphis like we're on Iraq, tour yeah like what is making dates. No, this is the only two we're doing Washington, She may seventeen eighteen and October. Seventy ratings in San Francisco does the data we can fit the muster in to our schedule. And, like I said, they're going to sell out. So if you want to come registered extreme ownership, dot com,

we'll see you there and until the muster. If you want to Can you this conversation? with any of us, you can find us. Conversing on the inner webs on Twitter, on Instagram and on Dutch face, Bore Ha Michael. When is at Em Writ Lindh and also, as he said, MIKE Ritalin dot com? Of course echo is at ECHO Charles, and I am at Java willing echo anything else. Thank you actually did. I am where you're were at with the dog thing: we're. Ok, we can get it done me. We gotta be ready to get a doll. You know my daughter's look too good a dog shit. I know she's fine too big deal, but on a moment. No, you don't talk to me like a really act. Domino he's got very influential

at midnight, I can tell you can tell me if it's like with anything in your life like dude. If you want to do it, you'll do it, you got to decide I'm going to do what I'm going to do it right and then you'll do it. You know, but The only thing I would caution against. Is that realize that that's carving out of proportion of your day. If working of your life, that's something else, isn't going to be able to fill that yesterday, it's a male prioritization component, but yeah but yeah me from. Thank you. Thank you. I swear membership Mikey everything else, to stir, goes? Keep people the good fight- I I am honoured to be on here and appreciative of your goes times been than great throughout might again, thanks common architecture- everything you ve done. While you were in since you ve been out and everything that you continue to do today. I know the dogs have saved a lot of lives and appreciate that

course thinks all the service, men and women out there and I'll go ahead and yes, throughout especial thanks to all the dogs out there and their handlers. Everyone in the military standing face to face with evil, Thank you for standing, the watch for police law enforcement again and their dogs firefighters, paramedics, all the other first responders. Thanks for protecting us, while we sleep at night and to everyone. Thank you for listening, sharing and supporting this podcast, but most of all, thanks for getting up early every day by seven, negative and attacking the world with? the ferocity of an angry working dog that is out for blood and vengeance go and get after it until next time,

MIKE. Ritalin an echo and Jacko out.