This is Jacko Podcast number two o four With ECHO Charles and me, Jocker willing, relieving echo good evening by virtue of the, thirty vested in me as president of the United States and as commander in chief of the armed forces of United States. I have today awarded the president. Unit citation for extraordinary we heroism to the stuff. He's and observations group, military assistance command the studies observation group decided for extraordinary heroism, great com, an achievement unwavering fidelity while executing unheralded topsecret missions deep behind enemy lines across Southeast Asia,. Incorporating volunteers from all branches of the armed forces and specially: U S, army special forces, songs, ground air and sea units fought efficiently

denied actions which, contributed emission thirdly to the America, in war effort in Vietnam. Mcafee SOD reconnaissance teams composed special forces soldiers and indigenous personnel penitent. Did the enemies most dangerous redoubts the jungle, the laotian wilderness- and this actuaries of Eastern Cambodia purse, by human trackers and even bloodhounds these, small teams. Outmaneuvered out, fought and ran their numerically superior foe to uncover key enemy facilities, rescue down pilots, plant wire traps, mines and electronic sensors capture, valuable enemy prisoners ambush. Envoys discover and assessed targets for be fifty two strikes and foot casualties all out of four, portion to their own losses. Enemy countermeasures became dangerously effective song. Operators innovating

their own counters, from high out you'd parachuting. Unusual explosive devices to tactics as old as the french and indian war. Fighting alongside their Martin Yard, China known cambodian and vietnamese allies. Special forces led hatchet forces companies and pulled moons staged, daring, raids against key enemy facilities in louse, in Cambodia overran major munitions and supply stockpiles and blood, two enemy highways to choke off the flow of supplies to self Vietnam, socks, cross border operations proved ineffective economy force, compelling the Vietnamese the North vietnamese army to divert, A thousand soldiers to rear, already security details, far from the battlefields of South Vietnam

Supporting these hazardous missions were sobs own. U S and south vietnamese AIR Force transport and helicopter squadrons, with you as AIR Force forward air controllers and helicopter units of the? U S army. And U S Marine corps. These courageous aviators, often flew through heavy fire to extract, saw operators from seemingly hopeless situations saving lives by selflessly risking their own dogs, Vietnamese, nay. Surface forces instructed advised by U S Navy seals boldly raided nor Vietnam's coast, and why surface victories against the North vietnamese Navy, while digital agent teams penetrated the very heartland of North Vietnam, I'd casualties that sometimes became universal, sorry operators never wavered but fought throughout the war.

The same flare fidelity and Intrepidity there distinguished saga from its beginning this he's an observation groups, that prowess Marshall skills and on acknowledged sacrifices saved many american lives and provide a paragon for a Africa's future special operations forces signed President of United States, George Walker, Bush. And that is the presidential unit citation presented for those that served in MAC. We saw the studies and observation group in Vietnam and for those of you that don't know what the presidential unit citation is it's an award that is giving to whole units who,

since this is the way they describe it. I quote disk gallantry determination and esprit, core that sets them apart from other units, and you have heard about, saw on this podcast. Before, first from John, striker Meyer. Otherwise known as tilt- and he was podcast one. Eighty one, eighty one and one, eighty two and then from his comrades in arms, the late great hero dug the Frenchman, maternal- and it is an honour for us tonight to have another sock warrior here. Henry Dick Thomson code named dynamite in later known as the Terminator who served as a saga one one and is, say one zero and encounter

you down with twenty one years in the army. Eventual retiring and having a whole another career. As a leadership consultant offer and Speaker Mr Thompson and I know I should probably say Doctor Thompson, because I know you your Phd as well. If there In any case, everything else was enough. Sir. Welcome to the programme. Thank you for coming out in thank you for having me looking forward So what started to be words grow up. South Carolina Little Town CALL Wall Holler far from Clemson University in and what what years? what what were you reward? Nineteen, forty seventh nineteen forty seven, so you kind of grew up in the fifties pretty much and and were you were you in a military family or anything like that?

father yeah? My father was war war too in Korea, my Mother had five brothers, all war war to one was killed, so I was around it being alike. From then start because the family was together a lot. So we have a lot of discussion about the war and things that we're goin on was always asking questions. And how do you do this? And how do you do that and how organised, so I was in a right from the beginning, and yet you dad was in World WAR two and three. What was his job in the military? What branch was in infantry and he did with the Rangers for wall and warm words it's a! Would you hear him when he d brief you on all types of operations that he did and were to Korea? Some of it? I didn't talk a whole lot about exactly what he did

but he would talk in general about what was going on about two kinds. Operations and things what theatre divided It was in Germany. Mostly. In that area anyway. How long was he in the army for army was about for years and then he got out. Korea came along the gnome; they call him back in really where I started to hear about it, because I was old enough by then to hear people talk about Korea and about the war and I will now he would write letters home talk about how deep them I was over. I called it was, and things like that, so I was here bring about the war first hand and then some and were you thinking, I'm goin in the military

I was probably four or five one what are you thinking about that single enough. I I did found fine find my old log book because, they got in arrested in the end the Rangers and wanted to be a ranger when I went in so I found on a log book that I created when I was about nine or so when I created it, I had all the members of our Ranger company listed It was primarily my cousins We had to other people were recruited in and on the way, the journal, things that we did people who got promoted people whom I court martial So what are you guys doing, night raids and stuff a lot of time in the woods I grew up in the woods

I was five years old. When I get a chance, I'd go off in which, by myself your play track animals. I listen to the sounds and learn how to move The time I was six I had already put tat then I would take up on top of it. And would put it up sleep, thereby myself. That night takes me in step with me. I feel a little far cook as I got a little older and had my be begun, take out some birds roast him over the fire so doing things that then I dont rangers did you? Did this six year old, Ranger Company Commander getting out while allowing books are general Thompson that works and then what about Highschool? Did you play sports football, attract how osier athletic capability I was better than average on.

The team- I wasn't no college material, but because I was relatively small. But Did he really hard? my senior year that you and moved me from running back too defensive in which I was on a line that weight over two hundred pounds and I was a hundred and forty. You don't want to come around me and my other skill I was very fast so when the quarterback had dropped back and see me in his face, because I could yet there really quickly and then not sir you when you graduate Highschool? Did you did you know you going to college what was your plans? I started college and after about a year and a half in Vietnam? was goin hot and heavy saw it on the news. Every night were you graduate Highschool sixty five, ok, so yeah I

from what I can tell. I wasn't alive then, but from what I can tell the the battle drank value was in nineteen sixty five and I was kind of where the real hey we're we're combat all the time now it seems to have that seem to be the pivot point. Debts noticeable. When you look at a historically doubts, that was when I think we discover in the north, Vietnamese had a real army they were very good much better. Than anybody thought at the time the next few years that mean you, you could place them, probably in the top, for in the world in terms of armies plus, were fighting In their backyard they knew the terrain. They knew how to operate there, they didn't stop, they just keep common, their biggest disadvantage was they didn't have the technology that we did They may have air superiority to slaughter,

things they didn't have that held them back or it then much worse than it was sorts name Sixty five is that's reinstated. Graduated high school by graduate high school. You go to college where'd, you go to college universities. After long and then you It was like a year and a half to do what it would you end up doing. Well, I made a decision that what I wanted to do is take a break from school, because we have What's going on, I felt an obligation to go do something do my part and act Lee was on my way to the marine recruiter, because that's a use on tv overnight, Stop by the army, recruited, who's next door, just to see what they had to offer. So I went with army. I knew that would give me a chance to do the Rangers. If I decided that's what I wanted to do

by then I was also on chemist about thirteen. I develop the passion for chemistry. So in addition to all the outdoor staff, I was I set up my own laboratory in the barn home. I spent all my money on chemicals and I know you like this, but back in the day, back in the day he could eat you go into a pharmacy by all kinds of things goodbye Niger. Gas aren't, I mean just unbelievable chemicals. Goodbye If you got your mother design for you, it's ok to let him have a staff, and I It's dark, my my lab with it you all kinds of experiments on I've? I was getting close, maybe two on a successful brain exchange between birds and

eggs. I can get it in there. I just couldn't get. You know the starboard again afterwards. I have a lot of clothes so will you studying chemistry in college? Yes, I went to school on chemistry, scholarship, and TAT was to be a doctorate in chemistry and be a researcher, but then I decided to take a break. Do three years an army and then come back and finish their degree sort source. Nineteen sixty seven now when in sixty seven so lightly sixty seven. How strong was were the sentiments in America against a warrior snow in sixty seven, very sound, so that was already there. What about South Carolina

not as much as some of the other parts of the of the country. You know, but it was still there. It wasn't something that everyone thought we should be doing so, and what about your dad, who had seen combat in World WAR in Korea? How did he about I'm here he supported it. My mother, didn't she wanted me to finish. School was undertaken through your boy I'll come back finish, the doktor and everything will be fine. She said, no, you, yes, I I'll be back Unfortunately, and when I got a end they started talking about Man you gotta go to everyone's school. You need to be airborne. Is it you need to go to sea ass? You need to be an officer. What point so you got a book camp and is it book

were there like? Looking at you got here, we need airborne soldiers at a pretty easy pathway to get to you there were many. They ask you gay one when you going Induction centre, your boy, Here to be airborne, my response is no debts. Not what I'm here for, but then once a gun into account- did you still? It was so when you were when you, when you went in what was the Prodi party, your brain that was functioning. Was it there? Hey, I'm gonna do three year serve my country and looked for a job that'll be similar to being a chemist. Always the primary pour your brain knows functioning was the I won the ranger and and go get after it. It was when I first entered first couple days. It was in three years, I'm out, go back to school, be a

I guess I was maybe the first morning we were in the barracks and now about three thirty, four o clock, the lights modern somebody starts? Yellow screaming and hollering due to get out of bed fallen, gettin form in front of the box. And then I hear when double box I hear dark crash and under the floor I jump out and I look in his eyes guy smaller than me. Miss big smokey bear had on, arrange to have well then everybody there their when more night guy said to do something I need to start rethink. Yeah, there's gotta, be something innate in men to do, just that's just what happens? You see that new of gas men for that?

I mean that it is those guy was impressive, and yet that brought back all the ranger still and it started override chemistry me Then we have a way around the firing range one. I was an expert marksmen before ever you win in so I'd max out marksmanship. In good physics, condition flower every everything they were doing. I could do, and I learned it really fast one night. I was on none sake- you duty I headed workin, orderly room, but the person who is there all night- and I saw this book lay on the table- I was- twenty two dash one hundred drill and ceremonies, and I picked it up and I started looking at it. This tells you everything about right face, laugh based the call the command all this. I citizen.

Not right. Here I mean if I'd had this book last couple weeks, so I read the book tat night now by re pretty fast. The next day, I could see the mistakes that the drill sergeants remain And how I made a mistake when tunnel pornographic flung the I get, my try say impact will push for Gordon alone but close to China, but This offers our down gimme access to allow learn it So I was the pudding charger my pertain as putting guide liqueurs. Physic Lee mentally everything. I was doing great. I had a good and then you volunteered what was it did you have it OB designated when you When were you we're gonna be infantry? When you went in there, I was going the chemical So I was out of the chemistry brain was legitimately winning only when it was for a few days.

And then change you're, you're specialty you every year, in its idea here and I shall be a chemist, but I want to carry a machine gun. How was it to do that? not hard on it. I was so far it up. I love the things we do and I figured I could, this for three years? I don't go back to be a chemist if I want to, but they lie You changed, they let you know said: ok call if you wanted they have country. During that time there was no problem, no problem anyway, that would volunteer for that and then you got it right away and the net stop. How did you volunteer for airborne school same thing? Jeff I mean I just I had an opportunity to volunteer while after Boot Campi go to in advanced effort, your training eyes. I saw you there are voluntary for different things. So I volunteered

oh see ass, a volunteer to go to airlines go, I went out to see us first and they sent you to Osiers, even though you hadn't completed college, yes, and they don't care needed down there like a yearly art, lieutenants we're getting killed so fast, I mean they, they could produce lieutenants fast enough. I lieutenant had a life expectancy about a day and a half in Vietnam. So that was easy to get in and near. I did their adieu I will- and I will say yes: it was easy when I said okay, I want to go to airborne school and I want to go special forces so you made that decision as well Now, what about being from officers to special forces, was there any challenge in making that happened was still just open, wide open. My aid took me ride him. Now I had done well by it. I got it

stepped into that people's ahead of Harry. Because point, nineteen so you're. Nineteen years old you have a year and a half a college or an officer in army going to special forces airborne, and this is all distracting you'd go to be in on your attract but going to work as when you so airborne school, you know, is Airbus cool? I went. Airports grows Lockheed Lucky enough to have been in the navy. When we still went to for banning Georgian there more school, but what about special forces school, as you were going through that what we? repression of what was going on. What was instruction like we're? How well was that preparing you from your perspective, for while we you're gonna be doing to Vietnam, I think it did it didn't. Prepare me facade necessarily. It gave me a lot of them: basics, special forces

is not just about going in and conducting arrayed or something like that. It's really about cournand and working with the people. We did a lot of training on insurgencies governments are overthrown, different things like that, sir, particularly since I was on all sir. I was on the officer track, so we were doing a lot of the bigger picture staff plus officers, get train and all of the primary skill sets of special forces, whereas, if you're enlisted coming coming out of the qualification training, you go to be a weapon, specialists are to be a medic her. Whatever you you go into a special area. Authors have to be trained in all of them, so you understand what the people are talking about. If you got a little song, I endured that did well in volunteered volunteer for rangers, go

and then you, a deranged laughter, was to arrange a school. After all, Lot of harassment miles. Ranger Body- and I know we ve been together forever. So we go there and was I'm Bob yeah. That was Bob and we have to have to you. Knock on the door to get in to report and Rangers girl and you came knocking door hard enough. So Bob and I got back and ran into just The doktor was lock reported in the instructors ere. He looked into, ass. He looked down. The paper need Italian. God is with him. He said we ve got to snake eaters here, they have to keep an eye on the make sure they don't crap industry, the street,

We went down here from the four. Then it became ranger school can I became a tug of war between S Alfin and arranging so every time you did something drop you for pushups is on you, then you had to do one more for the big ranger in the sky, Bob, and I will do for the big arranged in the sky and two for the biggest after looks over the big ranger, then pulled back down again, so it we try to have as much fun in ranger schools. We could go to every time. In being able to Lord humor aid. That is, you, went along now was Ranger school in terms of preparation for one year we do in and saw little closer. Yes now do alighted from it's real. Infantry, but its patrol operations raid ambushes, those kinds

things that we're doin inside unpacked here when I first got Zog when I went in with with my group, Everybody did I arrived with, went to what they call one zero schools, Zog team leader School and I'm and everybody else is walking walkin in what about me. You don't know one zero school, your ranger you're, going to a team to Morrow. You reality so what point did you hear about saga? you heard rumors when you it at ports, It wants a while some by you and mention the term sob and needs what is there? What are they to? Oh man, stop seek it. Nobody can too, what it is, but they really do some really cool mentions. I mean that's the elite, but but nobody can tell you what they really do so sorry

you how much this all the schools must take. What two years for you to get through all the schooling is year and a half at this point, probably you now and when you get done with Ranger School, you finally chow, into a special forces group. Now already? We were, and there was a little interim garnier profound. Just go So we were already assigned to an eighteen to be team. I was the targeted towards Africa and actually mission preparation to deplore to Africa for mission that were going on there and, but I had volunteered to I had put in the paperwork to go to Vietnam sown right after that came through all these schools with your friend Bob How did you know him? Where did you go really? We met and advance after training right off. The bat saw.

I mean it was. It was unreal we just every school have the same interest so on we want, every school together, the whole time where we see from California Hooker were you guys just hit it off yet because we both had say my head and say minds: we're gonna, do it. So then what so? So you get your order, change and was that hard to do again? I mean, if is, if there's a choice in the military the between sending someone to Africa and to Vietnam is that time. Vietnam is going to it always won out so As long as you wanted to take the hardest jobs and do the toughest things pretty easy to follow that path, up reached the army. Accommodates. So let's go let's head over to Vietnam when you show up there. I remain.

Kilt, say they kind of showed up in Vietnam, and I said, hey who wants to volunteer now forshaw. Is that what happened to you? Did you already volunteer new know where you were going and you was going to special forces? I knew I give a special forces assignment been there when, when we got there there was a guy who is already they are working on a might force, but he was there and the train, and so we linked up with him. We went to abort, night. Man out with italian data is on things that we're goin on and one of the things he said was on tomorrow towards me, the day when the last things you're gonna do is they're gonna? Ask you if you want to frontier for Zog and he said whatever you do, don't do it just tell em now they'll say thank you and you move onto your special forces, asylum, so

the next day toward the end of the day whereby Bob are setting in office waiting to go in to see colonel arms or whatever, and he said what are you gonna do, and I said how make my decision you have to make Europe. This is not a joint decision on us them, so went in, and he asked me about saw tell me just a little while and then said You want to do that. You have to sign a bunch papers here. Volunteering for six months basically go anywhere. You do anything. And you said you gotta understand, I'm saying anything: ok and then you have found his other thing. You can't tell anybody for twenty years now, what you do stuff like that, so volunteered he sent me out the back door brought Bob in the other door. I went back

until the low bar to meet up with our friend Came walking earn? He said you did it I can see it on your face. You are dead man walking. I told you How to do that? And you know when Bob showed up. It was the same way you can say I do is going to do it, but So now you do so so that that was the attitude was the casualty rate was so high in song that when someone volunteered for there was likely were dead, man would mean that the chances of Above all, if you ended up on a team, I feel to your staff. Precision so different by fewer you. Are you a minimum rate. Any unwanted ended You knew that obvious

queen somebody to just what the guy that was telling you don't don't go to sake, so don't go to talk, cuz you're, going to get with it or you're going to get killed this weekend in ten most likely you can get kill. Has only right in Vietnam. Is there those guys don't survive, I'm not sure exactly what they do, but they don T allow you got something you got one note in the note you gave me a suggests as blackbirds, so We had to fly from the train to denying the next day, because, if you're going to soggy, yet he had to go to DNA so when we go to the airfield they take us to a restricted area of the airfield the sea one, thirty one. Twenty three that came in that part of the airfield were black.

That's a little different, then everything else and you get on on the aircraft. No their seat belts on the floor from the plane is good. Except for the front end there there's a line up there. It said, do not go beyond his line classified area, so something was happening. In front of those plans were not allowed to go see. So we sat on the floor We fly up there and we get off escort, picks us up, and he says they'll be a bus here to pick you up in a few minutes to take you over to Ccn School bus like thing shows outfits black. When does the shot out, they must have been two hundred bullet holes in the bus and we're looking at birth naked jeez. What are we gotten into the guy driver

Thus he said- will leave in a few minutes we're picking up a team here today to what happened to the bus. He said well, there's a past that we have to go through and we get ambush. They are sometimes The main thing for you, you to remember is if the stuff starts. Get on the floor, the bus and do whatever the team tells you they'll, take care of everything use, do what they tell you. If you want to live with it, does not loading happy, we might not even get their sound, but we did and we got What was that? He did? You guys pick up a team not when we ve got. There was afternoon. They assigned us to a back and tell us that we would get brief. The next morning, when what we're gonna do dollars,

now get something you know. Mouse all relax there'd, be a movie show that night and we're thing so they had constructed some like bleed, Yours, Agnes Lovin area nailed up a few short supply. Wood and had a movie projector and they would get me these from somewhere and they would show movie out there. So we went go watch the movie. On those green was marble mountain which jets up out of the sand four hundred fifty feet just out of nowhere. His thing is joining up there and there's two peaks EAST peak up. There has a combat outpost. Aren't as if the bad guys got up, the other could shoot right down into the compound watching a movie and all of a sudden, red and green tracers are going everywhere. I mean it is Criss Crossing Bob and I are starting to hit the ground and everybody else is watching a movie

ass one guess what you do not need to worry about, that happens every night, every night they gotta get the guy's off to combat. Outpost in Burundi. Put on light. Show up here, it'll be fun; they want, they don't shoot down here, gotta get Chaldaea, they shoot back at those people. Well, that's in Russia, so so then what happens you would everyone else God sent to one zero school did Bob and one zero scores he the same as you well before The next morning we gather briefing. We went into the today headquarters into the briefing roman the colonel came in and said. Okay, let me let me tell you what sucks about. Let me tell you what you going to be doing and he uncovered maps on the wall and started talking to the condemnations it we would be going on and that we would be put on. Teams will I was machines and guy explained,

major areas, he had the northern area which was sicilian there, but the forward operational base was up in by and and so explain whether that different camps were and then after they had a- and he told me I'd be going to alpha b1 of north Bob would be going down to the central fan around content. You know, so we went our different ways at that point. Did when he started brief. You on what the missions consisted of. Did you did you have any your guests anywhere close to that. Did you do you have any idea and say yeah, that's probably what our I thought. We would be doing was close. I had heard rumours that may They operated outside of the Vietnam didn't, surprise me that much when he started talking about the country's organ actually go into the car. Emissions didn't surprise me too much

A few of them did invite them, for the most part was well. This is crazy, very critical of the Eu Talk, you know about casualty rates or anything now all so so then what happens you get a size, so I want to be one flew by with a group of other people we got there, they grab it. Body, but me and said you guys are going to one zero school so a week long course too. To teach them how to be a leader, small team. The jungle there are a few things that they from the gods done already well, but not much so I was assigned our told I'd, be assigned a team the next morning. Filming girl report over to supply room; they had informing first then I needed to do so.

I got to tell me that we had had some casualties and their personal effects had to be m untoward no by an officer before they can be sent home. So I said now: they're duffel bags or in their view, just dump him out go through look for anything that might be classified a map. Anything like that. If there is any correspondence and near read, it make sure it does not say anything about emissions. Ah, if their pictures get all the pictures out, so pretty well sterilised or their gear, so first bag? I picked up when I read the name, I thought well, I know him. So this is a guide.

The term. You know we had run around with some at brag, tired in you in, and he came over about a month before me, and now I murmured Jordan is tough. Guy got my attention and causing great problem is pretty higher within it next day I was assigned to achieve as though one wine persistent team leader, we started Mission Pro get ready to go out and who is the team leader? I've sergeant deck surrounded very cool that, even though you officer you're gonna, be second in command. No one! No one He's gonna walk into a team regardless of your rank and just so I am here and I'm I'm the team earlier You had the regardless of your rank. You had to go out as it is

during her or or lower, and learn how to leader team weren't. What's going on out there and eventually get check off by the team earlier you may like sergeant deck had to say: ok, Thomson can, routine now that put me put me on the loose to take over the next team was available. So what The team consist of myself in the army sergeant date self in another American and then we'll probably non indigenous members on the team and who are the first indulge or color in describes the first or the Vietnamese. Really

the animals are, and they did you or did you go through any training protocol to be ready for your first mission or what we will change their notice? We started training right away once I was assigned new deck Crimea started talking to me. This is what you gotta do is why I'm lookin for here's, where we're going, gonna. Do we took the team out? We started to an immediate action drills and in preparation for what we're going to do on the mission How long did you guys have the train before you get down on your first mission? I was. It was probably eight to ten before we actually went out try a little time to get to know the timber to learn all the the drills and away they did things. What was the level of English speaking for your industry good for the young interpreter and the others they

understood some words now the common words that you would use get down, stop and things like that. Neither to use all the time, but a minute you couldn't gearing the conversation and what was your? How good was your level of focus during this time? I imagine you must have been just as focus as a human being you get when this is real. I saw totally focused nothing else on my mind. Back? We had a. We had a a little theater. They are foo by Pavel top on it. So if it rains, we didn't get wet, but some old benches were deciding on a piece of plywood. The movie was on I'm sorry to movie. After a couple days I had had I I to that movie that even find setting here and are you lose loud pal guy next to me- falls off on ground. Thank you. We're we're setting outside, which have more topical.

He falls over on the ground and shoulder mouth dead matter where you are that puts a downer on yeah. I was it that much in the movie all right so now. What's the first mission that you guys get aside they were doing some test. Among other things, that, in addition to just sentences on emission. They were trying to figure out what was the best put a team underground, you put a man right, it first light so You get off the aircraft, you move out and had head to where we are you're gonna go you you're, getting it may be quickly because the bad guys and figure out what you been inserted night come out short lookin for who is the best way to do it go Ass light. So it's dark get off the Elsie you set up in here.

I remain over night precision and then head out first light so the envy your tractors you're coming after you, then they will have, do it in a dark? So our team had been selected to be a last light insertion to see how that worked. So you know when I had already been briefed on some things like. We go in high go any further, invaders, though, when we're flying to it today, Elsie toward the smallpox, Lauren far coming about us and then, when you get out there until they all see he's gonna bank to aircraft on the side, you gonna put it an auto, rotate and his telescope.

Out of the sky and the spiral until he gets to where you want to make his short finally coming into the see and then you'll put to power back on and slow it down will come in I was not quite prepared for their haven't. I understood the concept of what are you saying it, but I didn't realize that when he I think an auto rotate. I wasn't be setting on anything. Then I was decide that it was turned toward so I'm just and how the air in the air holding onto the site of aircraft looking down three thousand feet in saying this is not good. They all my up. My throat, through right. There's something in this land is falling and I'm trying to hang on to stay in their we borrow on down and we come around and come in and on a short final, solar,

line and they had dropped term what was called daisy cutter. Two thousand pound bomb, the boy all in the canopy big enough that we could set out today come in were flying over a little pawn on its line, climb out on the scared they look after myself and other american thirteen leaders on the other side, so we're planning out on the scared. I'm thinking man mean we're going really slow and aunt em just setting target. I mean I just not me offer the saying any time does not get so we come up and we had to literally go straight down into the bomb greater

so the polish trying not to clip trees as were setting down, is just getting dark. And we're going in, and in my view, often the other guy or on the skin, and who were close enough. You slow down enough as ok. This is. It would then have to jump on down into on greater. I bent my knees, the job and just as I did, I saw them. Guy pop up on my right, but ten feet in coming after the side with gay forty seven just instantly is just joking. I pushed back job back of old age and I look at it says I jump up you, he opens with the AK, and the bullets come right across. Were my legs were but I moved and they hit.

The other American on the other side, sodomy hit him in the legs, so he starts the fall foul. I'm grabbing the back of his harness. Will my life and I put a half a magazine and a guy. That's why they're hosed him down and managed to jerk, neither the other guy up onto the floor, the helicopter and then I could turn and put her could just see. Marshall plan is right in front of me up at the other half the magazine there, now an empty young, and when we go in when you go in, Would have gunships who would come on alongside you saw so in case something happens, we're a full, fledged ambush now all around us to cover gunships. Oh where there are many guns, four thousand rounds and manage feminine looking like to host pipes, just Ryan red Water all around us and what the

Why do people realises bullocks, not just hit the ground and go underground? The ricochet they bounce all the place and if their trees they or their heating trees, they're gone around so I'm trying to pull him I'm trying to pull him back up inside it helicopter got to door Gunnar on my side, full blast the car we're coming around and are also shooting forty millimeter grenades, two hundred fifty million. So goin on. I got to team members behind me use in me for cover, so I got a man off on each side of my head right here. I'm getting powder burns knew from the mouths of lashes come, and I know that I got hot branch coming from coming from the door, Gunner go on all over means. The floors now covered with blood blood squirt out his legs and my megacities empty

I'm trying to get the magazine, my my parents, that guided in and one of the things I talk about him? He was the Strasbourg is that when you stress level gets hi. You lose your fine motor coordination, things that you can do very easily when you're, not stress, just don't work for you anymore. So I'm trying having trouble getting the magazine out of the power to start with I find get it out, and then I can't get it and weapon and I'm I'm sitting there and I just seeing hundreds and hundreds of bullets and tracers common good treasures crisscrossing inside the aircraft. Isn't he Rien tracers Criss crossing inside the aircraft there? She would mean just explain to everybody that does know what that means that insane, That means that enemy bullets, Vietnam, the the Americans and used red tracers and the enemy used grew.

Treasures than on forcing not really like that anymore. Everybody uses registers and an eye, that was what is right for us and in Iraq, Some guys get me up and said the same thing, Afghanistan very rarely with this green razors but for enemy tracers to be crisscrossing inside of your helicopter, and this is a human right This is not a small this. This is not a big aircraft. Is a tiny aircraft from your be hacked in their so four rounds to be crisscrossing inside that thing green. Tracers that is completely insane. Thinking that myself for vessel are back on my hands, then this is great and not only that, but I am not happy. I mean this is first mission and I'm gonna die on my first my mean: what kind of deal is this came over here. To do something that little bourses goin on back they earn the other one is. This is like

fifteen seconds into your first measure is right. There ricochet went all over the place from no from the code, some things now the other guys role around scream and all his leg and the blood skirting around in your also hearing the metallic claying. Just clang claim with the bullets hearing helicopter yeah you you're thank into the things you go down, we're gonna end up Enders bomb, greater right there So all that's going on. I finally managed to get the other magazine now in so then I can start to shoot at the Marshal flashes, I'm seeing and second my go to reload. I was a little better, Without one got it in their lower faster. They are aircraft. Art in a really vibrate now cause she's trying to lift up now, that was a hole in the canopy. Something can at least were trying to start up, but this stuff,

still coming at your hearing, as you ve got to know there is much more raids and now what's also happening. I can't really see it, but I want a sky raiders that are out their own station willows. They give us some protection. They are starting to drop five hundred pound bombs, just a little wife from us. Because those little thatched roof hearts that I saw him They are, as we were, spiralling and turned out to have tanks underneath them, so they had just put that that stuff around and make em look like a little hoots. But it was tanks open. The tank started, moving the other sky writers, one after them, and if so you got bombing, striving of those guys go on you get there. Ships, heating or from shooting all around us we're trying to come out and Essentially, we managed to get out of that whole lethargic shifted now tracers going up, but

We pull away from it then now that far start, because now the cover really opened up yonder ambush site, and I I look across sergeant deck setting over on the other side, and he looks at me with a big. On his face down. I'm thinking what is wrong with this guy, it's how you so excited. He thought I was the coolies thing and I'm paying me almost all this was my life first time experienced a level of fear that I didn't know existed try to imagine a lot about. What's it like when people start shooting at you going course be gonna be a little anxious. So what is it now, but I had no colleagues. I couldn't even imagine a level fear like that, but unfortunately I was

it will control that part of the reactor till she didn't me from returning fire and doing what I needed to do, but mere scared me Heaven knows to weapons right Next to my head. How many more high frequency frequency hearing was steadily goin away, permanently, beginning burned with with the Mobile flash is coming out of their kill. My first to people for sure the guy down below in the guy shot at in the treaty those I am come out. I know I took those too I hit several others saved, american live because if he had fallen in the greater it had been gone a second later widow both jumped in that greater and we have both been God, that's bad! acting on their part right. There should have held for another two seconds. They should handle jar ground. I would have been soberly Eldred, possibly damage helicopter and yeah, so

are in. My combat effort remains badge. You dare to just add a whole series of other first that occurred right, ear and survive. They are in couple minutes later on thinking man we gotta, They are not look down, and here comes a strange tracers coming up from fifty one. Fifty one caliber were trying to get to look after they were always farmers, but the earth and here not over yet Gotta get out of here, get back I told them. I told the door Gunnar ass again, we gotta go straight last, but we have got this guy off. He's gotta medical attention right away, so we did there. We dropped him off no more back to launch site to doktor team off, but then I asked the sordid decker

Damn I'm just curious. How many magazines did you far when we were back there and he said I emptied five? I had six put in getting ready start on their through threw to fragmentation, grenades in a smoke grenade and then he said lieutenant you did to practice, so you get faster reloading when people issued after you gonna die all practice yeah when you talk about the fine motor skills disappearing. But if you practice small time you'll be able to maintain them. Waste tourism yet is that there will be as good but they'll be better, as is yeah. That's part the problem with training you, you train you tryin to get away. Site pictures, I'd alignment. Nowhere you squeeze through

trigger and hit Europe your target there's not cheating back achelous, and then you get enough. If I'd like that, in your stress, Lowell skyrockets, and when it does, you can see sites on the weapon. Are you trying to use of size and now was You, your vision, changes as a stress goes up. You can focus on the sites, so you can't you can't do it the way you train, you can't reload the way you train you tryin to turn sideways shoot always end when it's all the staff is coming at you, your body. Your brain takes over and says face the enemy he's got your body's going to turn your door the enemy. So you got to train to shoot at the enemy you got trained to shoot without aiming so sweet, and I had been through a pretty extensive course on something that way quick kill where we train to shoot from the hill started, Habibi guns and shouted

monitor silhouettes to buy for shooting, will it be begun to. You could knock em all down, and then we started the one eyed disk. Three inch, the gap in the air and you shoot would be begun to. You could hit that moving deals and then did we get some. Or in smaller, and then we would go onto a course where the targets popped up and laugh out far in terms of you using your weapon, I and shoot from the hip and get so. You can hit all targets, so we practised a lot in wooden. The teams that I had, I just drilled it in

did you gotta be able to shoot without aiming you have time to bring up and trotted look through a site. It's happening too fast. You we dared before you get it up their southern lotta techniques that I had brought in that I had learned before I got here and then kite developed across time and always train a teams. Deals. Do it like this list. Quick one of the Ngos had told me one night: it flew by said you can't hesitate. There's no hesitation. You got to understand lieutenant for you're going. Everybody is the enemy you don't have to worry about, shooting a friendly, but I mistake: they're all enemy and the person that shoots first has the highest probability of surviving pull the trigger never ever shoot anybody less than three or four times they still moves

in three former times, there's no one shot move to the next guy. You make sure they go down. So that was kind of strategy I adopted and in practice to be able to do that, and I can. I can go from, safety position on the select switch to fully automatic faster than most people can pull the trigger with safety already off. I used a practice that are used to practice it going down. Who discovered that when I k forty seven as soon as I start to shoot after the burial rising, if they don't hit you that, first or second round, if you can get down, you got a chance to survive and I used to practice shooting on the way down, but silhouettes out hit them all. Before I hit the ground as I'm going down,

that may result from such get off track, you know ass does actually right on track the set. So you come back from this first mission and what was your? What what do you think it now you got. We think yourself, there's no possible way. I'm living through this plant Actually the way my mind works by was critiquing. What should we have done? should we have trained on beforehand. What did we do there, where we prepared for an ambush like that? I was there anything else we ve gotta done, so I would plan to our people. Grayson play on my mind through what we actually did. What could we do differently next time and so my mind, you gotta get better every town. Every time you do something you need to better than the last time you did it? You need to understand.

He's gonna. You can always have to adapt. Whatever you plan, you're gonna, have to doubt war is just not predictable, is either predictability can change and you gotta be able to do that. You do it on the fly. The I was told you had just had a guy on the park hasn't come out yet, but I had a guy that was you, the guise, a marine. He wouldn't Guadalcanal. Tar were sigh, PAN Italian got wounded and intolerable, got shot while he was still five hundred metres from the beach trying to get across that that hell that they were walking through but we had that discussion around. You know always thinking it's like nothing or how to me, and I will use the example of like. I always think if, if commercial airplane and airplane crashes. I'm gonna live like I'm gonna. You're out away off I'll get you. Freefall position in all looked scared and find a pool somewhere whatever we

Was there any of that, because it seems to me like that kind of operation right there. You gotta, look then say, even if, even if you have the attitude of it'll happen as someone else when you ve got green trade come into your aircraft. That might change even my mind and start thinking. Ok, probably not gonna, probably not gonna, make it through this them hate. You think there and I have used up more lives than a cat you're. Just here a time period, The nine lives that night. I never thought. I would those two minutes. I never thought I see my twenty four you're doin second birthday started no way. He just can't get there. You're not. It was on earlier you. You got to a point where you said: ok, I'm probably not gonna make you gotta. Wait that my attitude is angle. Take as many of you with me as I can see you get me, but you going pay for it and I'll be

the upset. If you not me off with a first round- and I don't give a change to get some of you, but you better, you better. Do it quick cause, I'm gonna take as many as I can when it is I'm coming, Ok, you guys get back from that from that mission because do a good debrief going through all the points of what you thought you could do better wondering who is, who is the first night came up with the idea of doing these night inserts and maybe, if last light inserts are the best. I don't know cassettes. You don't really know permit up It seems to me like if you drop a daisy cutter at the enemy, least goes says themselves. Well, they dropped the desiderata. They must done that for a reason Go surrounded me! Why would you drop a two thousand pounds, one two thousand pound bomb you on a ridge line there. Do anything else, unless you come in here you gonna, come least drop fifteen of us to give the make here we have to spread out a little bit

not put their entire force, surrounded this one crater roof with them they're alive. Things like the other thought about, you want to go back, I was making a list. Fortunately, I share some of my lips with the commander of the count ass. He was cited in telling me I told you we could get. You are young people We're gonna get you out. He saw it worked right now so ass. I can only share some thoughts. Radio, unfortunately I probably had talked in Mister Jack Daniels too, before I had that compensation and I shared a little too much of my thoughts he exactly happy

revenge things I had to say, because it reflected on him too. I still think they're right put one like you said you put one dazed get her out there. No one would put up a flag for oil. You come in here soon alright. So then, what's the next mission looking like, I think, the next one, the next one we actually got to spend the night so, but we did a lot a lot of planning and at this point in a sergeant starting now. Listen to me. I got more credibility. Now I've been shot at and we did ok. So we we put a lot more planning into at a lot more rehearsal into it and went on got on the ground under that for when you with your own aground, you would

you'll move a hundred meters or so into the jungle. You'd stop set up a security paramour, and then you a doubt you listen to you here in a bad guys. What do you get it? Adapt the sounds of the jungle for Gaza. The last forty five minutes in our all you ve herds is what what Walker, the helicopter and YO for you have a temporary threshold shield You hearing, you can't hear good became smells good. Could you ve, been spelling Jane you for an hour, after all, the way out there. So you have security, hop and even down to the sounds. What's out there? What are you here? What do you see? In my case, I was very fortunate that I had spider senses so to speak, I didn't quite have spider hearing a first little episode, but

still. I still have the rest out. I could smell you more than one If I knew tat an ambush, I could small August other body, odor racket smell what they had had to eat a new. They were up at an inn, for I was. I just feel things like that. So we had that we send a team. Ok, we we're code word. We just transmit that men one on team, ok moving, nor of moving whatever direction. Yours, a daytime early, more first light insertion last late afternoon yeah. We, it wasn't last light thing again now, so we had time to tell me four ways and then eventually stop now for the night. Typically what we do is do like we found a fisher

you'd move along a little ways and then you would a turn and you would come back down. Fifty metres is oh. So if someone was tracking you you'd here go by culture following your trail and I would put very quickly, I learned to put out what we call toe was a little small personnel, mine plastic and I had C4 on it and it would take your leg off our most EU laying if he stepped out- and I had a lot of experience in the world woods. I know how people are double track. You I know where they're gonna work I know where they're going to step in particular, if there's a log for someone to have to go across the longest,

Ronnie Asylum, and that's where I put it off. I put it right where they're gonna start my covered back up, and sometimes I put my foot just a light footprint on top of it, and then they came you'll hear that thing go off and you knew you got one. He was probably get it. You bleed to death, have us believe anything out there. So you had him and if you deleting a larger group. I quickly. They would open fire faded away where they just start spray in the woods. But you know your way back here and there in front of you now, so that gives you a chance to decide if you're going to move out or not. We set up the jungle, the jungle just swap you as it starts to get dark. It just closes them all

Algeria and if you're, under double canopy jungle, it gets dark fast. If you're under triple I pretty dark during the daytime, but at night you can't see anything is just totally dark and I was thinking as it was getting dark. First, I thought him a little nervous because I can't see, even though I had had tremendous night vision like an hour, but I couldn't see without a thought, they can't see you in that differences between us and them is we're not moving. They have to move without making any noise.

If they make any noise, we know where they are. We know they're out there. So what I did was I created for me of four de bubble around me. So I went. I really start with whatever direction I was facing and then what out there. What sounds die here? What bugs do I hear? What noises do I hear and I'd take next quadrant? Next week until I've gone all the way around. So I knew the sounds in all four quadrants and then I ordered raise it up because up above you I mean bird, you got monkeys, you got different things that are happening in the trees. Different sounds here and you you incorporate all together and now you're used to a particular

of ignores and each one of these quarters and then the sound of silence was the trigger I developed to where I could actually wake up. If any quadrant went quiet It would wake me up if anybody moves in wireless quadrant. Bugs and that Israel stop chirping they'll just get quite all of a sudden. They get quiet something out there and that that a lurch either where they are coming from and I might be a tiger- might be some other large animal with something just stopped him scare them size. I know the dark, my France, they can't see me and I got area what out, there claymores set off the claymore, they say: oh big ball of fire and I take out a bunch of people

but they dont know where I am and then the next level with fried grenades. There were great big ball of fire one fragments, but they don't know where it came from. So you still don't see long, you don't the trigger only weapon, they don't know where you are so I decided this is pretty cool when you start as our offer if you're up here? How long would it take when you guys would settle into a perimeter? How long will it take for the noise? The I once it you'd created two to escalate again to normal jungle levels within thirty. At once everybody's down, and the rule was once you're down you're down. You do not move again until morning. Any body moving is a bad guy

and we would we would all position ourselves so that you know I could reach back over. Here are the guy on the next side of me to wake him up or alert him? Something was happening and arm so big. I can't really do this, but if I could have the arm, if you want awake somebody up without terrifying grab him right there and just slowly squeeze if you just slowly squeeze like that, what you'll see as their eyes dark to open up and they, come to and when we trained do they also people new good squeezed. You open your as I say one thing, you will start listening. Where do you hear and it might be your turn to be on guard or it might be, there's any me out here

That's crazy sketchy could skin from that. I can only imagine my either you're Eurasia. What would you guys do fifty percent security at fifty percent sleep in what you guys do less? It actually really needed. Sometimes it would drop down with thirty percent I mean I know, teams everybody go to sleep, but not not with me. I'm not going there. Somebody. It's gonna be away here, and Sometimes you have to sleep. You you couldn't sleep on top of the ridge I had to get off on the side and you try to get into a ticket to try to get into space. Area. So you learn to sleep straddle trees, so you straddle so you won't slide on down the hill at night. It's a little uncomfortable at first. You got it set up right, but when she do you can sleep like that. Keep your arms

Iraq's act because you wanted to rucksack act to go with you. If you had to leave in a hurry year, low baron What might never came off? The weapon was always fastened to you whether a chord with the US not link on the shoulder year. During the year, currently on the Crunchyroll app, so you know you could put your hands on it really easy and turn it into it as if you have to, if you had your knife, where you can access that no easily quietly in case you needed some. No way mood and they're, not that first overnight mission that you did. What was what was the purposely operation we were going to find, is relatively small Jane size, element and there's how many of you guys. This mission is vital

silence over. Seventy you looking for five hundred enemy, nor the advice. Regular, is one of the things I think but I know it sounds crazy ones. They just lock proves one thing here understand about a sob team is sardines were small, but they carried a really big stick given the stake might be thirty minutes away before you could use it. Turns our but man, you had a big stick, because if you engaged the enemy as soon as you sit transmit the word prairie far over the radio every day, flying within range of that team was diverted everything in aircraft had ordinance on innovation. Go on all was set aside. It all came to you. It was unbelievable era.

I had a mission went down where I had fourteen goobers in Arabic waiting on their turn to come here, because I had to bring new moon between the air force that were common in the sky, readers that we come they are. I mean it was this down rule. What would show up once you get in trouble yeah. I guess that that is the security blanket, although bad weather, the neutral nighttime you could do or do some night time but yeah We didn't have the night vision the aircraft in the technology that they have today? Some night time was a problem form you could do something called com. That's guy spots, where the air force could come in and and and drop viable. Pound bombs, but they were doing it based on radar, so you had to start them like twenty five hundred three thousand meters away

You bring a man, but you didn't know where their land, would be somewhere in that circle. But you had an let something here and then start to work at some night time could be a problem, you got you got a book here you mentioned are really quickly is called the stress effect and it's it's about leadership and decision making, but you have some some stories in it. Better that are worth talking about our own red one of em right now, so it says for almost two years I've been training to lead a special operations seeming to combat. During two years I successfully completed: U S, Army Ranger, school special forces, turning become a member of most elite military force in the world. When I got to base camp in Vietnam, nineteen sixty eight, I erected a six were told to buy for board in the dirt and rapped rope around the top eight inches the board to provide a striking surface everyday

here by pounded the striking pad with my fist and my feet. Continuing improve my accuracy and power Trained in ranger and special forces hand to hand combat and earned a black belt and green martial law of Taiwan dough. I become expert, with all special operations weapons as well. I quickly found myself. Do you guys That's an introduction to two martial arts and they were teaching you guys some striking mobility? Did you guys want any group? bring it all their honey. You did that in special forces and in Ranger Rangers go. You did the military, on one hand to hand, but I had down trained, your attack when was in college. I brought my hand one night tan, a low pub and I thought, there's gotta be wrote your hand on a pop or the brother of Donna on a pub attendee.

There is an attending that ran in the ran into my hand and broke it now. Our thinking, there's gotta, about away nurses. You know I've seen that you guys jumping around doing kung fu whatever or movies till I I found this tax. And placed the I'll write off Campos there and I went down- and I said I need topping up low, but I'm tired of you get hurt right on back to the book. I quickly found myself deep inside enemy territory, leading my elite team of three Americans and for mercenaries and classified mission. Human within a hundred miles. Was the enemy, the sure was a hundred ten degrees. Humidity was a hundred percent. This from our own perspiration costs leap burn our eyes, mosquitoes swarmed, each of us carry Thirty, five to forty pounds of ammunition, grenades and water, honour load board bearing harness and seventy five pound rucksack on her back

no one wore an armored vaster helmet, because these would add too much extra weight and would be too hot. We operate but a triple canopy jungle that allowed very little light to come through and no air movement arranged today. Everything was wet. The bushes in the ground were covered with small leeches that begin move up and down frantically when they sense our body, he they would have a meal soon attach themselves to us without our noticing them the next would find him our faces chest, arms and legs filled with blood and the size of our the end being the size of our thumbs. The physical Mental stress was very high. This too, permission required, complete silence, no talking for days just hand and arm signals or notes it would be absolutely no noise while moving. We were travelling along at a snail's pace of a hundred yards an hour. Every step in every foot placement war, please pre, planned toe down first then slowly, the heel. This technique was designed a muffled the noise of any small branches that might be broken. If we accidently

waste our weight on them each He never had an area of responsibility for maintaining vigilance as we move. We were always looking for booby traps, ambushes, enemy, personnel, poisonous snakes and tigers. We couldn't for the five hundred pound hungry tigers. We knew a north vietnamese army force was very. Close to us. We just to know exactly where we most day, moving up to the top of a ridge, one step at a time without making a sound. Just as we near the top the point man signal to us to hold to get down. He could hear a large group. We socialists just over the ridge. Our hearts began to race and a journalist spite are seven men. Team was about to come face to face with over a hundred eighty train nor three enemies or me. So teachers are stress, levels sword and our attention became focused. We knew everything we we knew every could literally explode at any second, the closest, was an hour away. We could no mistakes. We could not be discovered

Ford into position to observe the enemy soldiers who are less than forty yards down. The other side of the ridge from our location they appeared to affair, eating and we're getting ready to move up the ridge towards our location. I symbol of the team there. We need to move quickly, although the group was muddy slippery and steep. We try to move quickly and quietly as possible. It was going to be very difficult to avoid contact with them and contact would be deadly. I was about twenty feet behind the point and moving deliberately tightly gripping the handle of my car fifteen machine gun with my right hand, while using my left hand to steady myself by grabbing bushes as I moved it started to reign, hard making it even more difficult to get us help if we were discovered. We could hear the enemy talking on the other side of the ridge, then, out of nowhere. I was hit so hard from the high side of the ridge that my weapon was knocked out of my hand at my feet left

and I was falling backward down the side of the steep rich instinctively. I grabbed my hacker as I fell and took him with me, my dress level was so high that all my hand to hand combat training automatically, kicked it as item down the incline and the rain and mud. I literally ripped my attacker limb from limb biting pulling in breaking any part. I could get my hands on. I used every had we move. I knew and actually heard the sounds of bones breaking the entire vent. Last. Only a few seconds it appeared depend in slow motion. A stream of thoughts in questions went through my mind where this guy come from. How did I miss seeing him? Does he have a knife? How can I get my knife easy alone? Willie call his comrades before I could silence him then over as quickly as it began. We will win hard against a large tree. Its large treated stopped our tumble down the rich. The impact entirely knocked the breath. Out of me, the attacker was not moving. Apparently I was the winner,

all my hand to hand, combat training and paid off looking up the rear. I saw some of my team members looking down at me with sheer horror on their faces. It must have been most terrifying for them as it was for me. I thought once lifelong in the balance, but I had won the fight manner a manner I had saved the team I begin to untangle myself from my attacker, the war suddenly came back into focus now. I had the same horror and shock on my face. My team members did. I had just use all my expert and to hand combat techniques on a banana tree that part of the world worms eat around the bottom of the banana trees, which weakens them and caused them to fall without warning. I was lucky to be in the right place at the right time to be blind cited by falling banana tree. Fortunately to come, Listen to this event ultimately saved us first

It's so hearted unexpectedly that my weapon was knocked out. My hand prevented me from firing at the tree and giving away our position sir, Can it was raining so hard that the enemy soldiers did not notice the commotion we completed? mission in return to Vietnam Unharmed, except for my ego. I have heard, however, that banana trees, in that part of the world, still tremble at the mention of my name, It means I better knowledge stress levels all so I just you know locked loaded, you ready to go and something triggers you and you go for you react. It was just just the instinct somebody had me and it was Miriam and you I just

least everything I still had until I killed a banana trees here I can walk by one today. In other countries and trembled, and they now they know the legend is reopened. You can see little wound turn and watch me to make sure I go by It is amazing. The other point of you tell that story, talk about stress and in our eyes One thing that I noticed about it is we are anticipating something, often times we will. We will see what we are anticipating now soon we are predicting enemy combat, then that's what we're gonna see and you have another great Vince. At in here about a shooting. Took place in New York, and it was you know, guy that standing in the stoop of a doorway and police officer, see em and he looked kind of suspicious

and eventually well, when he moved they said. Oh he's trying to run from us. So now they draw their weapons and the next thing he does is reach into his pocket. They start shooting once one persons are shooting the I'll start shooting and they end up put in full Eddie plus rounds into the guy and into this round guy. Your great invaded shoe very accurately, but you know it now that the guy was just a normal, citizen that fit the description of fit. The description of a person had had conducted some crimes in the area by you know wasn't like he was. It was like a specific description of it was black guy in neighbourhood? Oh, look very close, but what then dissipated, seeing in what they got kind of. Mentally ready for and then He makes a move to get away from them near mind, he's making moved get away from them

in his mind, he's just trying to get out of the way. Who knows what these cops are doing, but they can't be after me. And then the next thing is their young item. I better get them some idee, so he reaches was pocket. What are they, he's region for their anticipating his region for weapon, so they kill him so That's a great lesson learned and you know you too a lot in the book distress effect about you called awareness being aware of. What's going on, I always use the word detachment being detached from all the K. An emotion and how would it? Great powered is to have that sea or the same word or different. Same meaning the Where does that you talk about, but that example right there, what your anticipating there's a good choice. Is that what you're dissipating you're gonna see? you're gonna, see regardless of what reality is it's not a banana Three, north, the enemy soldier, highly trained in scale, the knees trying to take me out

doing a good job goes on fallen backwards. I can't shooting and now written in those store you're talking about as a approaching start shooting the two first to gas to get get there. One start shooting and What happens if some of the bullets are hitting on different parts of the stoop dear and start to rig J back, let's they're mine, he shooting atam or metabolic coming back. Our many thank you shooting with the other guy, William Trip Sounder stay up and falls so he's partner Thanks man it, they hid him down. The other two were up there. They think he's down and they all discontinued issue and innocent guy so we see what were expecting have to be careful with that, and it happens now happens all the time. When the german short swine,

You can do a lot of things that you need keep it under control in their wise part of it probably get off track here. Some of it is practice practice practice. Go to the immediate action to your should, keep doing it and do on it and doing now. One of the things I used to make my guys the price is that they really didn't like eyes. We want to mission because you're gonna be out there for so long, do one zero carry them medical care side have a medical care with me. Everyone there carried it came in a can back then to a lower can about that big around. He had it taped back here web gear and had a bag of ringer solution and a blood expanded. Europe goes when you, when you get hit most of the time what you'd die of from a gunshot. Women is.

You bleed to death if you can't get the blood stop to you in time, so we all carry a bag of Ringer's solution, so you could get an iv right there on the spot, and now my thinking was especially after that. Dance electronic having trouble getting the magazine and weapon. I dont want, and my guys trying to put that needle in my arm in that condition and he's grabbing all over my arm and I'm laying there bleeding to death and I need to blood. So I said: okay guys he was over here and do a little practice. Had been over to the dispensary and I had gotten some needles and brought him over, said word on practice. Putting the needle and each other so that we're getting shot up. You ve done it before it won't be. The first that you try to put a needle in a vain. They did not like the guy's. Ok, now swap partners, the video

but again and every so often we would go through that drill must practice and abstract practice open and can you you don't want to have never The openness can before when somebody shooting at you and your buddies, believe the you you have there been through the whole process must do. Will these lessons are you learn you passed on? I mean everything from you know: get on the ground, and patrol one hundred metres than weighting of that's that's. What we're turn now I will say that once you got night vision, things are different student need to wait. Half an hour later night vision adjust, you could you could go, but you are we If we do the same thing we used to get give each other. I visas with red lens flashlight at night, underneath poncho cause. That's what you're gonna have to do and to those kind of things that do you have to train. You have to train and people that think that

That that horrible fought the creeps in your mind that well, when the time rises when the time arises of all know what to do. That is not the true threat there. I got a quick question for you, How did you get the name? Dynamite was at your nickname today, a sign that to you, because I surprised at this point, your nickname wasn't banana trees for fortunately, you got your code name on day. One, and so after we had a briefing denying them. We had to select a code name, I wanted Ranger Ranger was already taken, so they said here some other reason and eyes. I saw dynamite, and I said you know we do like the blow things. I'm I'm small enough dynamite. I worked for me on me. I blew my neighbors wonders out when I was a teenager.

In time with a rocket exploded on on my launchpad didn't turn for that. Open but yeah. I was always blowing things in it. One hours there and South EAST Asia are blue things up all time. Blue bird is applied all kinds of things not always cared a lotta demo worthy good nickname now cause. I do without you call sign when you're the field we know well if it would My call sign if I was wounded or something like that drought but call sand We use are always three letter groups worker got him. Are you mentioned in your note here that you gave me an up where you guys hit with you guys got hit with gas than that The head of the unexpected we're still would decks team we we had,

planned and rehearse for everything. And we went in it- was on a hot elsie or didn't appear to be. We didn't drawing a fire going in We got off the aircraft, the aircraft took off, we're on the ground and all of a sudden you know we can see he couldn't breathe, their staff is coming across the elderly. And do you know we're coffin gagging because, within her mask, Willis Mask we're like almost black dagger, as extra weight, you gotta care, and unless we were intended to use gas whiddon carry because it was this very, very rare, that the NBA reduce gas and in this case, Only Elsie here comes a gas prepared for not prepared, for we had to call for the aircraft to come back and get us out. It creates real problem.

We're pilots pithy if they dont have mask the now? all all the sudden they're getting all of the the gas coming in. You know it's hard for them to see the instrument panel to be able to fly. You know what they came back in. And they got us out. It was. It will in a pleasant cheers and it was one of those things we plan port because it it was such a rarity. Just didn't. Do our surprise? with your gear lest retail and they always cared gas mask. Of course, because they always care to gas mask you know times I came across. I think the number was zero Murphy's law A lot of times we would carry is gas cannot would carry regular like a sea yesterday, CS grenade, but we'd also care that the sea s rounds for them in forty nine forty millimeter. So we could shoot those. But if we carried

CS already. Are them grenades, then we care the master and that it was the man. Because we were gonna use them and if you cashew butter better, have a mask. Are you don't feel bad offers? The other gas goes without fail. The winds going change guy come right back on you and your job, Murphy's law, you gotta, you got another note in here about a mission. Tree routes. That was, I think this. This is my last mission with Dorothy Alabama with wood deck, and we had gone up. We made a little fish hook. We came back, it was early afternoon and we're going to take a break for a little while So we had perhaps claymores I had put on my toe pop around in there

There are some strange trees in that area of doktor or through call, but they almost look like rockets with funds them. Roots county came out, I mean of they grow up the tree.

Maybe two feet or so, and they come out like fans all the way around. So we were taken breaks out all this lay down between these leave routes, and you won't be to see me cause I'm gonna down in there and us we're I'll, take my break and then we hear Toper go off. I hear that loud scream and things a toe proper went off it just as Roger vacate forty seven fire coming some of it in our direction, some over another direction, so that new, exactly where you were, but in that first barrage coming through, I had three a k round come to the route on my left side right across my sir, I had just exhaled and through the rule on the other side

I had had just inhale. It was taken. The top homage asked off when it came by say it does graze. Me come across a massive problem should get out of here. I've got a route for not providing any new actual cover for me, just a law concealments I jumped around behind a tree and we set off to claymore settle for fledge near firefight, going on, I ve been to Lee, had to work gunships and things and get extracted, but one of the things that are also did was got another tasted, the impact of adrenalin, because when I came out from behind the tree, I had taken my arms out of there apps on the right track, so I had to grab it with my hand. I grab it were my left hand beyond Wade, probably seventy five pounds, but I'm not a big guy

but I'm tossing that seventy five pound rucksack around like it's a pillow, you gonna, go winning as we find our way down the region and towards Elsie, but I paid for later on nice, we got extracted, realize I had four month muscles and my shoulders because the muscles one designed to handle that much weight, but I had so much drill and open pumping through my system there, And that you guys get contacted as soon as that, those when I'll start you're calling Beyer Emergency and then how long Has it taken before aircraft show up on station? Usually you have something within thirty minutes. That's that, might be at work, a gunshot or something like that. But for the extraction ships, it might be

our depending on how far in there you are might be longer than that. But if he had bad weather, nobody come because now the gate find you. How good was the weather prediction at that time if you guys, were you guys able to look out in a day and said I can't there's if there's going to be storms moving through here tomorrow, at the difference, we had our own air force meteorologist the tractor whether gave the weather briefings two or three times a day to the command group on that,

to get them. We would get them before. We would go out so that we would know kind of what to expect and we didn't launch unless the weather look like it was going to be good for the insertion, because you don't want to get out there and all of a sudden, you couldn't use the apps that you had with you, but still it's kind of like today, the best weather actions that are made by the ones the day after we can tell you. Why probably happened yesterday, or at least with a high probability of what happened yesterday, whether change you know it's where we were north most of the time as a rainforest I mean you, ve arranged gunnery everyday got rain and the clouds would roll right down. On top of the mountain and just totally conceal concealed lines, though not only or yonder tripled

I ve just go a lot now. You gotta cloud cover over coming up above that they can see fine, but they can't see where you are. They can't young, you fire the flier flares out. They won't see him in the clouds. Is: is it always the one, zero that's carrying the radio and talking to the aircraft or the who, who usually was doing that for you. I know that killed said he did it. He would be like the up. I'm gonna talk to the aircraft, most at the time I carried the radio I mean you head, you had a guy the three Americans was supposed to be kept. In the radio? Usually them, though, one too, if you had a one, but I carried mind almost all the time, but even if I didn't care, I wanted to talk pregnant, bring it over here. I want to tell em now

what I need to have done so that they gave me another twenty five pounds plus depending on how many batteries I carry more weight to go on my rucksack and that's if we use the pr say twenty five or seventy seven, but as I think to mention one point we had and or take over Ccs, who said, you're gonna care the k why three eight secure radio, which appear she seventies Ellen, was by twenty five pounds, and then it had to connect into the K White, thirty eight, which was that the saying square, but but thicker and they had fastened together. So some people would stack among rucksack one on the other Most people were wearing seventy seven

and thirty eight in the front there to help you back, I'll up and down the heels theory, but you know I've to me. In my experience, said the more you can look like an empty air of fatigues, laying on the ground, the greater Europe since a viable one, somebody shooting at you saw the more staff you put on your chest. Around your waste. It raises you in the year makes you more too. I mean I rucksack shot up all the time every lay near bullets. It is doing in through the rucksack because it was taken up about me. But when but that k why thirty eight on new tasks that pushes your body up another six things is in the air, so now they changed, the view getting hit instead of go up, so I don't like to carry you used at a few times

I mean it. You had a pretty high malfunction rate and then causes not just You gotta make sure that the aircraft and you're trying to talk to you is run encryption day by has does have to have that same encryption. There's an interesting story. We may get to a later about that, but it was but I wanted to talk on the radio you guys didn't know till they didn't carry like a Bell FED machine gun in their elements. I think he said they never did. Which to me were surprising because, like a sea, You talk of Vietnam, see upturns and even like my shield, tunes in Iraq, we care as many belt FED machine guns as we could like. We want to have massive firepower, but I guess

for you guys the jungle but wait. He was too much my my team carried one, an m16 wishing him. Taxes are heavy. There have indeed on my team carried one one time. Look I thought it would be cool. I carry the machine. Gun goes out, man the fire I have with this thing. I can show those guys only others out here war is all about and we contact but not without baby and. I learned a lesson really quickly and it made sense. When it happen, because we always teach you gotta, take the machine gun help Ship you fired aware: let machine gun you take the Joker out and that's what they do

and all of a sudden everybody shooting here on those parts from those are our minister just come in on me and it's just eating everything up and I'll get behind a tree and keep my hit around. I'm shooting. Jeanne around us out of the tree. But I can't see what I'm doing, but I couldn't, my head around here they take it all after their mission might have had enough of their coming. I, like you, know when you are when we put tee. If we put two teams together to make what we call a spike team, near where we were going in Wid worthy in tat, of engaging the enemy and not running. Then we would care to him sixties at least, and then, when you care and aims gee. Everybody on a team has to carry him The ammo everybody's got it least more hundred round belt? Willem washing machine carrying out of your way you some more minutes. It doesn't just wait

down the machine gun? Everybody on the team now is still gonna carry was forty millimetre. Grenade, whether for the M, seventy nine historic here they are, you still got a carrier. Actually claymores, you gonna, carry all your mission equipment. And now I'm giving you another fifteen twenty pounds, a machine gun ammo, here along with you Only five or six area is the way it goes up so fast. It would. The euro is another. Now Tom sent her thinking about it. The fact that you guys were in generally close to terrain pretty tight? It was Can you massive cover fire to cover ground? To put to you you couldn't have to fire maneuver, because you take steps in office and the enemy can't see you anymore? so that that makes a little bit of sense to what was your simple, like you know, we're talking about these missions. How often where you guys go out. That's it

interesting story on the varied by team and a light well and in the twelve mile then I was there. I went out eighteen times which boys wavy on way beyond what an officer led team would do. I dont know that two other tinctured Goin out that frequently not appeared? The paper that you signed when you join sob said live I want you to go anywhere, do anything for six months or six missions which ever comes first got it at the end of the six nations. Are this smart, I gotta say say I volunteered to do some more. So you had this. Our safety valve in near to give you a chance to call you wake up and say this is not smart,

and here's my ticket to do something. Different right What sort like like the bombers in in world war, two that had to do twenty five missions over Europe and twenty five, the knave than they could go and do something else go home? Most him did make it but ya out that's pretty telling when they say that you only have to complete six mission that doesn't sound like a big deal. You must be thing ourselves, they only one six of these things and I gotta be bring here if I have to go out six times and six months. Summing up A good deal, Yonder Graciosa do you every day and fighting our doing something or being exposed, and so you had that and remember that song.

Nations- I saw mission really is an outer country mission tilt, says across the parent you going to another country when you see them the casualties, no, the K eyes of sword, at least in a beginning. They all said Taphian. Now, that's not. Where do we go So you were good you're goin out, but in between those missions you might do something in Country Lynn, then Black won over tilts, big bodies. They were on the same team and staff for awhile Amazon or this unbelief about one zero and he- and I are gonna- became friends and in between missions. We would do things like why don't we take somewhere gas tonight and must go or the marble Mountain set up an ambush, I can t will get some

Let's go do their work at more afternoon, won't take some more gas, must go, search, caves and mortal marble mountain those jokers and under which that fun So we would. We would do a lot of things like that. Just for fun, so to speak when we hear, because compared due recognition, this is no brainer each corridor newspaper detriment. Even how is very forty miles deepened Cambodia alone and when we are, we put me back in time for lunch disco. And then he had done your marble mountain, the to combat outpost, teens, would rotate up there. You had to keep two teams up there, all the time so in between missions they might go out there for a week,

For two weeks at a time and then come back down to start mission, proud now for another mission to go back out, so it wasn't like you were deciding around in between emissions. You were always do and place. You've done on lot. Training preparation for the next commission that you had come up, so you said, stay pretty busy? How long would it take it, brief emission when you were going on, we might start with our initial briefing as as a day brief, This is what we're going to go to dudes we're going to go. Do it then, depending on what the mission was, I might say, okay, so we're going to go over your place. That would call mucky mountain we're goin over two mocking mountain, because as a good place over there for us to rehearse the actual mission ray the ambush. Whatever was we're gonna do we can

over there and get and some new realistic rehearsals. So we might go, spend a few days over there just doing that, and we, while we were there, we were rehearsed. Are we in procedures pudding, claymore Where do we put em? I wouldn't put the team in a different, eyes every night, so that you had doing ok to try and were now what's the most likely broaches, why do we need to defend the claymores? Where do we put to tow harbours where what's our avenue, the grass. How do we get out of here if they come at us from of this of those direction? Where do we go and where's where the closest Elsie's it we're gonna go to, and how do we get there? Everybody, you know that you know where your American, or and did you got to know where it is? You got to know how to get there, so we would. We would do the the training, like that, put particular mission specific for what we were coming up on and then, as you got closer,

till the lost sight, you would have the mission briefing where your air assets would be there. So the pilots who were going on fly. You insertion, gunshot, pilots, air, representative for the hell. You want to use that we're going to be there, the all fours that we're going to be there. You know, so you would have the big briefing there and everybody agree on everything and make sure you got all the call signs and everything down and contingency actions the cubby said he they buy him with, would always have a covey out. There were the forward here, controller that we could talk to and could look down and tell us what he was saying might be of the sea, the bad guys coming to us or whatever you get more assets force. So it was what's the big deal I mean because you you mean

have four gunships too four. I went EU carriers two to four l force. You got covey, you got insertion ships that you're going in with you got trailing ships encased those get shot down. There are flying empty, so they can drop down and pick you up. Sometimes you might have a ship with emetics, because here expecting casualties, you know so it was a. It could be big air, show sometimes going input in. If you were going. If you're going to North Vietnam, you had to have the F4U all I mean it was just required for the mission some of the others louse Cambodia, you could go without. They are fortunately tissues. They want a sky writers,

You go North Vietnam, you gotta have therefore where they propose send a mig down. There have to monitor yet or about air cover, as well as hitting no big targets. F for now? I can get your tension real fast and they in those garroters due to because a there they fly low, slow and their career in their own weight. An ordinance- and they can put it right next to you, do you tell him where you want twenty millimetres hitting ten feet over there? and right alongside you, whatever their word, Sir Carrying meeting a video attention, namely those jokers again. All right, so you so many missions- and you do with Archie Alabama, for then, after that, did you get the up check from DEC two to become a one, zero yes, Sir I had done that

I mean I sorry I had it before. We did war, but we knew that F, o b one was gonna closed down. And when it closed down the teams are going get scattered around. So I knew I would I would get a team, but I would get one somewhere else, so we just stay together. You know for those format, genes and then, when we move when I moved to denying to Sis II, and then I took over Artie Michigan Artie Michigan those one Had done, I dont remember who the one zero had been on, that one Elden Barge well was the one one on that one song I took over over that

yeah. I know the guy you used. Me lie the time it back for me and he was already a legend well- He already had a good reputation, good reputation, so we are, you got along workers. Ask about him, because I didn't write how he was a different camp out of nowhere I had asked about here ever by I talk to you said man disguise good here. He will ask everyone else about. You do ass. You well me down, and I said why they tell you. These are I talk to sergeant Johns and it was impressive because he said had total faith in him. He said Thompson is the only lieutenant I've ever met.

But if you give a mapping coppers too, and he could tell you where he was in can navigate you two anyplace she wanted to go. He said you just don't find lieutenants like the sky good enough for him. If I knew where we were there, isn't it surprising that that it would be a skill, that's so needed and and that people didn't actually have it. Sometimes it's crazy and these days, Well, your kids kids are relying on the gps and they figure while some of those land nab skills- and it always cracked me up, because there now there to a point where they were really rely on the gps at another. Discount, and you know be walking on the train. Operation, it also. Ok, you know just not even thinking about looking at a gps, because I did a map study, nowhere rat and those young

guys know they. Just they just don't. Have this come all of them. Of course you know we still get some guys that are great at it, but it's just a different time. So you take over this. You take over. New team? You got bars well which, I'm sure you heard me talk about with tell, but but you don't when I was a young officer. I just keep got picked up your commission and I went to Germany and he was the guy in charge over there so and my boss, who is an outstanding guy, Who is a great men toward me, but he we would come to tell me you know about about the old man. It's bars was this bourgeois said. That would also that was pretty me. For me to make this connection, and here you are sitting here that are actually he was your He was your one one and I mean he's very nose war very good. And I was impressed with your right from the beginning. I thought that this guy is good,

in our when when we went out on an operation, he's is cool com. When the shooting started, I mean he was good cut, but I mean he had He had experience. I mean he was a case. I will end with a team there, the seated case and he was he was there. I mean where they just got hammered several weeks there he was there were that special forces detachment he had recruited actually had recruited. Some of the team members that we had. This was a yard team. They all liked him. They are a lot of respect for him and he was support guy I just never thought then, where he would end up. I figured if he doesn't get killed

probably gonna, be somebody at some point. I didn't expect to. See him, I guess it was in the seventies. I saw him at Fort Bragg now, because it was in the eighties assignment for bread and using a captain and I'm thinkin. How can you be capped, your home, I'm a major yours back for I saw you now you're a company, and I thought that was great. Are we hang our low, but he was in the delta her. So we shall be dealt a horse and all that kind of staff in the eyes and good times already there together brag and then I guess the next time I actually soaring.

He was a major and use that come in and going through the command and General Staff College, and I'm thinking I'm about to get from but still a major, do I see the heightened guy doing this. In the next thing, he's a lieutenant, colonel and then poor, carnal and ends up and your journal. Just AEGIS constantly goin and everybody kept telling me get out a special forces. Special forces is the kiss of death or an Oscar each day and special forces unit going anywhere. I hated it. I mean Not only did the great on that tour with song. I I do as second tour. He ended up no command, not just being in delta. He came back and- commanded Dorriforth and an overall special operations and others can stuff a man just unbelievable.

You notice any qualities? I mean you said you looked at him and you are like all the others. This guy will do well if he lives Was there any qualities it stand out? Your fear, if her, if you are a young enlisted guy in the army, right now or in any branch in any, so yourself, you. I want to be a good soldier. Given that you noticed about him, you'd give us like a guidance to young young troop. Other mission, focusing you tell him. This is why what you need to do or where you need to go, I'm hearing or make it happen. Cool com is a smart guy, We needed to brag about it when you talk to him just very humble, but you could tell any smart. I mean each thinking about where you saying what he comes out with him when he makes recommendations and talks about things you need to be listening, cause he's thought to stuff

through now, but no fear from a combat perspective. Armies a geyser common EU until your mouth and you have demonstrated their answer, occasions remain demonstrated by it wrong. I think you got thank you got here the next mission after he was with me, but he had put on a cave. Forty, seven vast The Amazon got shot, Charlie JAG, ASEAN or some one in the magazine a push through life. Holding him, but it go all the way through in any one. But another mission in got shot a couple more times, another mission. In the B forty rocket hit the team everybody was going to hit. He had a piece of it.

Shrapnel go into his cheek can lodge by over behind his eye in he's, leading like a stout pig and the bad guys come in the eye takes out twenty of em. He's got a our p d, hear the Soviet Canada Light regime guy and he is taken people out right and left the whole everybody wanted, including him. Let us. Where did the only job on record that for a personal firearm carried an acre forty so ok, forties, Emily's, seven as a journalist or instead a little pop gun he's Ok, forty seven slung over his shoulder and he's He's telling me his aids and by guards if we get in trouble,

we're about me. You gotta, take your yourself I'll, take you to downright, elsewhere. But now we, we spend a lot of time upon marble mountain together, just where the rotation and staff We we spent time they're so we'd have those fights most nice, the bad guys trying to come up and get the snipers in shootout before dark. There was one I've cave opening. It was almost all our level no fifty metres away from us that if they work their way up to that opening they could to just about into us at night. I got videos that cave and you can t have. A marvel is just

to all all round the opening of the cave, where we're shooting down of night when they are up in their staff. So we did a lot of stuff. You was on a good relationship so one of them that one of the things you got in here, you notes, Zalm, you guys a mission Archie Michigan you guys inserted into in ITALY, ocean border with hunted first airborne, sound like a pretty good trick. You know kind of it which Cannibal wind when aid told us what they wanted to do. I thought sounds like dangerous, Go Mrs, exactly a scenario in rangers go what they tell you they want to do so. We So it's gonna be a walk in mission, so we would start. On the Vietnam side of the border and we

would walk over and allow us to to the area they wanted to go to that. He wanted us to do that from Brazil, and where the hundred and first was currently located. So there is, a battalion from a hundred first that was set up on the border and subtly coordinated to have us. Have our team put on steel pots, all it can to staff gun on those? the recent. While a captors, we came in with a resupply like we were young new troops coming. Be there we jumped off and then they may put us in whom inside the parameter of it. But in its action and said, do you need to dig in all their little guys we're lookin rounds and why you need to dig a hole fox or again in fighting position?

the response we did so I dont you need to dig mean we're out here. Were people in the area bullets going. Everywhere. You need to dig answer one good thing we did it goes. Hello Harry night. It was nice to be able to get down the hall. And then I met with the competent commander in protein leaders and their forward the observer. I gave him our plan Here's! What we're gonna do but white shocked unwise. I said: ok, these coordinates I want you to pre planned that an artillery target and here's. The name of it when here and here in here- and these are the names of all- I do his car that name on target rider. I'm not gonna give you

one thing you you you gotta have done already plan. I say Roger I explained the artillery I never had artillery. So this was great. We ve, never and range of artillery and all of a sudden I got it. I plan I planned that stuff all of life and southern thought we did a next morning was at first light. We went down to the stream with the water resupply team. They down and fill our canteens things over man bring em up. So we went down with her dress like the hundred first, down there. We change there are Batman, suits and gave them the whole once in black jackets, and all I step they threw woman and carried him back up, and we just went across the river, and the jungle, their owner mission, so hoping that the bad guys thought nobody had come in that way

so I went out on our mission. There was, there was a hatchet force, pertain that had been inserted meal much farther out in the valley, but we we went on and only it was. It was, just now different and a cool way to do something and when we got in contact, me and when I call for those targets that you put it right on, that was cool thing. It was interesting that. We had the well and the one to that was on the team with us. We had a little disagreement about our exact location. I'm telling those two now entire. We are right here.

Nice to know you two hundred metres off ass? It there's no way We are in contact than I told taught myself if we were, I am aware, saying we are there's a fork in the stream and there's a lower footbridge going across one right out there about a hundred. Fifty meters in front of us is a road stream out here, as in I'll take you down here today will make and we had to come out on strings so when they are literally your first time coming out on strings, know. I've been out before carries pick us up and They can see me because here in front of me, but I reform there were right there you ride around shot but you're like hey. I was right right right, tended it grew and they were right on now.

So when you were you were you just using pace, count and use them, He's got your moraine I didn't. I spent The long term in the woods grown arms and then put it Linda Dark. I love the dark I can. I can feel the change in the train I know if I'm goin up here down hill farmers side whatever, so I would take the section of the map, thought we were going to operate in memorize it. Did you get one to fifty thousand maps? wonder twenty four. They were well. We had both, but what depending on the distance that we were gonna go to her, but I could just Usually we didn't go very far till you get memorize. If you're used to do in that the sector The map I could see at my mine here we're moving, where we were only where the pace counts. We're on you fight the terrain should look like

where we were headed. Checkpoints set up that you know. If we hear what they were here will signals socket track. It plus. I used a pace, count. I knew where I was out there. That was, One thing that I I thought was critical because eventually have to Call- then you need to be able to tell him where you're an under triple canopy jungle unit, shooting, as must the hill tops, and things like that, and you get to know where you are on the ground, because you know topology what it feels like. What it looks like I have for you: ve gone this. The skill set no no more important piece of information on the battlefield been where you are I know where you are doesn't matter where the enemy s cause. You can't call for fire again, maneuver arms. You know where you are when you guys were we thus

getting overwhelmed. Is that why you guys had come out on strings and I won, how was the enemy forced to think that you rolled into in your note, you you said lots princess lots of in the air I didn't. I use the term watts, meaning in a hundred or more did you go stumble across him, we're on our way to contact from avoided that contact star like it really started. By guys headquarters decided they needed to resupply us because they wanted to stay longer, and I was saying no Don't you don't bring a helicopter our ear and hover over our position? Don't do that you gotta get resupply. And they did it anyway, and so I want you have a job

over and above the canopy the drop in step down through it in the bag. As coming they're all over the place. Anyway. It's all there must be some down there who have not announced gonna go, get whatever fella helicopter and they they came down here, and there were some kind of your master the afternoon in terms of what we plan to do about, but we got out the pit and extraction long strings through double canopy. Jungle is right. I'm with you, you being dragged through the lands of the trees is pre tops. The aircraft will always started to go forward, and then you're being drug throne and what they want to get the hell out of fire right, yeah prosaic and shot at they dont stay there along you're getting shot out, and it is hard for you to shoot because you

twisting and turning and hitting leaves- and you know now, they're behind you and it's hard to shoot that way, and you know they're only going to take maybe four people at a time out anyway. So that means you Another chopper coming in the bad guys know you're going out on a strange now you got another aircraft coming in to pick up the rest of the team. The team leader, I'm always first off performed on the ground. The last one on the ground has I'm coming out with a last aircraft, I'm the last one to come up off the ground. And they ve got you pretty well Z, rodion bother, you know you starting work from gunships and staff, but beyond the pilots, don't like stand there and then then they get over there,

in this case to get over there and aircraft are also we're safe, thousand feet. Freezing Agee l, nazi level, ideal. Hang on the end of a row covered and sweat phrase into the earth, and I look up in all swing back and forth. So my robe is robbing back and forth on the edge of the four where they helicopter thinking. We go a long way to go starting to fray the rope up here and you know, or we going to get to a place they can set us down before that thing break so all right. So that runs your arousal level up a little bit and Why sure and then nourished about thirty minutes? Your legs are asleep. You can't walk, gets its cut. This regulation, How are you and when you get to wherever they're going to set you down and you can't stand up, they have to come out and get you and pick you up and put you in a helicopter phone

another day saw, another data, You did a snatch mission you mentioned, and in these notes you did a little Little love you set up and set up the ambush, try to capture someone. It doesn't seem like you, You mentioned a couple times. You were very successful, capturing people Together, this is how you got your second nickname. A terminator if they dont cooperate sometime they get terminated so when this one. Every week we had rehearsed, we had practice and one of the techniques of the prisoner snatch is, if you have a trail that

people going to move up and down and small groups you practice, setting up an ambush that has a dead spot in it. So in the in the middle of the ambush Finally, I am no one's gonna far in that zone, the claymores or angled out, so that it creates a dead space. There you put a big block, two C4, there that you got a dozen ou how to detonate it's the same. In your same time, you saw off at play, everything's going to go off at the same time and temp fine and then what happens is whoever lucky enough to be standing in that dead, spot don't you bullet, but concussion from that C4, stunned and we'd practice. So it's on them, and then I've got a guy with me designated as thumper.

So his he goin, coming out of the bushes sends out stab goes off and dockers job. We have to see this guy stand in their college days and just taken don't be Monday here just to ground. He remembered firewood the morphine charette, so I'm on popping full of morphine and then you do whatever we say now: heaters he's just com, but in this case we ended up killing. That guy. How many at this point you done our emissions had you guys taken casualties in your team jet? Yes, but I took my I mean a lot of people got here. I didn't have any body kill on one of my teams. Until I get to a party Virginia port man was kill, lotta people, one

right after I left the junior on their necks nation. They just got hammered Lawson people, Americans got shot up really bad, both critical for they were through with song. But at this point you been east, dear you're, being continuing be pretty luck yeah, I did it. Is people ask me all the time or have you survivors she'll, be and you got lucky, you call it god you can call it whatever you want, but there's something intervention that prevent you from getting. You can't sit in a helicopter like that. First, one with that many bullets, crossing a near and not get hurt and I like a fraction of a second between. Maybe in here and there,

American being hit on those kids. I mean I had just push back when I got proletariat her miss me. The other day and night happen on a regular basis. Where and when I go speak a lot of times. People if it has this kind of flavour to it, they say something about being in special forces. Is lumbering is not unusual for people come up to me and say I really thought you'd be taller, and I say if I'd been taller I'd be dead, I'm a lot because I'm not taller. My here has been increased so many times I just to endear surrendered. You would debar swell took over fur

Artie Michigan. Yet financially we got to the point where I mean Barge well was red he could have taken over before making but come. So we get to the point where I had to leave to go. Do something different and Tom he's ready He can do this, but he's a speck for with all those assets, all that responsibility and somewhere near five. I think but yeah. But if you, if you were to go back and look at, saw Goin zero across the board, you would be shocked at the age there, so young and as I've looked at one with people. Do that and it used to be that.

Neurologist thought that you're on pre frontal cortex of here were you make decisions, but is also the part that controls risk taking. They used to say it fully my tours, somewhere around. Eighteen to twenty years old. And now we know most people don't material by twenty, eight and thirty years old. So what's hasn't primarily men that don't don't men, that level of maturity a little later alone, Women are a little behind, but in terms of the Prague leaders, most of whom had not definite had not matured, No, I mean the day. The person was image around this time that part of the brain wrote that controls risk taking. So you are young, you think you're bullet proof

do you think you could do anything is area will forever manless as a cool thing to do is Zog mission, so I d there's something there are just now. It is time to explore what something there might be that the guys that are thirty years old, like I'm not doing it like either told you dont volunteer for saga, cause, there's yeah the survivor bodies, not high I've gotta get out of my locker. Do it, but the young kids other online. How old was bars? How old were you at this point? Barge will marginal was about four or five months, older embargo, an how old are you when Barge well came along Knights and sixty nine,

you're twenty to twenty two and forty suggest this become twenty two, which I did think I would make an eye out for sure I won't say twenty twenty three com, because yummy weeps obviously skipped over water, their staff. Here, where I use a lot of Gatt lives, a soft but yeah very well. We were just a few months apart in terms of will every single one of these operations, just about you're gonna, use a certain number of lives, did you ever go operation. We didn't get contact by the enemy Oh, if you, if you count the gas than now, we may contact harbour, said you're gonna get no contact with the enemy. Or what was operation Shiloh all about.

And this is where is this? Why you left Artie Michigan, ok, so called away from Artie Michigan. They need somebody do operation. Assignable was at all by about macv me soggy, somebody higher up I did it. They needed to stop the influx of supplies and and troops coming down from the north and a place called the new gear pass deep valley, but there was one point where I really narrowed out in a bank for really steep and high in so it they had to follow through that pass with their trucks and people in whatever that come on down into the south, yeah. You sent forward air controller out here. I mean they see it so they Often they hide because it for they are controller, has a bunch of awful.

Is over you and orbit just waiting on him to find a target and they're gonna come in, so they somewhere came up with the idea of what, if we put a team out their opponents, the ridge among others, crashed through the valley looking down in and now we have to see foreign up that when they are coming, they can call and say, ok, they're on their way, scrambling detail for out here, and they are fork and beyond unlock a chicken own. A gene burg and just data must be no. So they decided We must do this mission will sneak people snake a team out their put him on a ridge bottom set up there and unjust interdict displaced like crazy, but it has to be a super team has to be officer lead

has to do all. Americans have to be approved by by name by the president to do this because of where it is and what you're gonna do so they, They needed somebody. I one zero officer who could take over a team that we had there and leader, and they put me on it, wasn't happy about leaving mesh again, but I thought well, it sounds cool until I learn more about what they were going to do and I went on a vision. Reckon I went out road with a forward air controller he was putting in air strikes. We were therefore as and I'm looking at this place and I'm thinking, there's gotta, be somebody up here. There they are not a high ground there.

Live in this place and defended here, and why I brought it up there now, there's nobody there. They we never receive any far from that area and myself If you don't want people to know you're there, you don't shoot out. So there are some. I'm sure there's somebody there anyway, it's I'd hasn't disagreements within People down Saigon about then had to go back and forth a lot of briefings about the mission and we took the other team now

the tin Woodman we trained and would go to mucky, mountain and we'd practice, all the staff and our surveillance techniques, and we haven't starlight scope. We had long range lenses on our cameras and oldest data. There art binoculars, we had a plan. That said, I thought it was finally that rigour drop parachutes out area over away from their we'd blocks of ice, and so the parachutes or open decision hang in the trees. I somehow so when on the NBA go over there now they'll think we parachuted some people then, and they moved out because you won't see, I say, not stupid anyone. So for four weeks we get ready to go. Do this thing and finally somebody listened

and said. Now, call it off we're, not gonna. Do it and to talk to you why you're podcast about where he had a special mission that he had to have an officer with him there Later on after I left it came back up again. He decided to do it and I put an officer with his teeth until you guys you're gonna do it and they were out of our shared with the road, is turning anymore and got called because they discovered there were a bunch of people there if they pretty than one of those teams and with loss of Tibet. How about dick meadows now knowledge, and now this is our inherent legend at this time. Oh yeah,

Everybody already knew did matters on matters had been. He got to the point where he dollars super secret staff and they said ok, Really I give you a choice, you can. We can promote you, the sergeant major are. We can promote you to captain, which one do you want. You ve worked out a deal that said, if you promote me to captain, then I get to state you can't. You can't force me I get to stay here until I can retire as an author, whatever rake I get to their so ably, so he's shows the this is I don't know if this is the army or if just Vietnam, I think it's a little, but above that kind of thing just doesn't,

but anymore and where they take a guy, can go haywire ether, promote you to the senior enlisted side or made your captain, which one do you want as epic medicine was an epoch, got their eyeing and so on. I came back from a mission and I was told that we got a new company commander and he wants to see you soon as you get cleaned up it's all. I got in saying that life is probably twenty two hundred. Actually he was the quarters were required. With wall. I was on one side of it. He was on the other side. I go over. Port to him, and you know me good job stuff. I've been looking at your record needs an effective right now

you're the Recon company Xr, but I don't want to get off team and he said you can keep it to him. I don't care about that, but you, the XO and you're, going to help me. And please don't start will tomorrow morning we're We're gonna have a meeting where all the Americans in Riga Company one at a time. My guys, I've been going through your record and I think the slum albums Bore re has got a little too heavy for and we're gonna send them back to know trained more. They don't need to be inside. They can go play with special horses, but they're not gonna, be inside. What do you mean? He said they are people here who were not going out. O missions fear often

and going out omissions and every time they get shot off, they all z, they never actually complete emission. Those people need to go somewhere else and we need to replace them. Medicines is hard, do hard enough, you can tell when he's talking to you, he is seriously heart attack. He said here take this data files with you go through them tonight. Tomorrow morning, over seven hundred, you know they're going to start coming in now the return Orly Room- and I might have to talk to you when I can have a talk with.

So you tell me which, when do you think you need to go home? We met under the next morning, I'm here, I'm looking at the least at risk and stack he's got deity pass at San back. I said when I can harry by well, and he said I don't care if we have to you and I will lead all the missions in my heart, not beating at this point, because I'm hearing how serious he is his bores we'll do law we're gonna become busy anyway, you won't get sent him all home, but he p sat a lot of people back to the train that day for them it is down. You talk, outwardly ones after any beyond it, and he started shuttling people back down there.

If you had been dragging their feet finding ways not de Gaulle machines- you were saying here: you are Never you get shot off. Elsie doing he looked at me over the period of time you had been there I mean emissions. Have you been how many times you been in contact. How many days, if you on the ground and all kind of stuff and he had his own little equation and these people needed funds up miles to do when he was hard. Bigtime, ranger. Collapse. Mindset story, look around right away. I said things here: we gotta clean up. We should have a life isolation area when a team Yosemite

Can you go in isolation, as always done special forces us to the doctrine and we're not doing it? Why would we not do that? You're, Wada things like their training targeted, he told me Louis the next morning he said: do you meet me down the beach next more the beast which is right outside the concertina, so I made him down there and he said we're going to go for a little run considerably older than me that ports, so we take off down the beach and about a seven minute pace and I'm thinking honey can I had been running. I'm starting new secular win a new left overs, not slowing down tat. We get about the two mile poor darling. I said Sir, I'm alone

I'm gonna, go in turn around here and go back and take years and things you do that lieutenant Almighty running and he kept going and I'd look back. It was a wild. He disappeared on a site down the beach and he's by himself. In his alarm you lay down. He came back on physical. Fitness was a big thing for him. You gave me body sharp you'll, keep in mind sharp and we started to have in pity in the mornings, for the teams were not out norville things like that. You made a lot of changes. How did that affect the attitude around the camp? I do after hills, housecleaning at the beginning, everybody else's yes or whatever you want me. We need to do this stuff and we need

you're right and he was out there I mean in everybody, knew me he's a guy who would say you ve been out twice to get a prisoner, I'm going with you this time and show you how to get one and he going out and bring back. I mean whatever the mission was eager to then peninsula. Now what the rest of you do it that way. Roger that, whatever you say so he said you can keep a team with his eye we're gonna start. We ve got a group coming over the first, in Aachen. All were sending people over temporary duty, it send for teams. Americans over when he said, I want you to train them when they get. Here, you get with them and their teams, and you put him through some training.

I D, run these operations and what to do, and then I want you to go out with him with each team. You take him out. You walk right alongside one zero. I guess we call that skin in the game he murdered. A traitor related Gonna go whether and when you get a team you think is ready to go. You tell me what's on a mission to You take the next few days. The snake by teams is out of all started so you know I was going on a regular basis with these guys, particularly once again and train yeah we were going and marine forced regards area of operations, as they would put their teams out there within two or three days they get run out we're goin out the objectives essay seven days in usually win

yeah we'd eventually might contact. Sometimes we make contact before that, but it was a live fire and shoot back target kind of certification. So can you lead a team out against real bad guys in and get it and do it right? I give him the checkmark think. Then I get Assad mission of those we elephant. Allowing operations is out. Those are surrounding EO. That was a little bit. Calmer was little bit closer. When lies in real bad guys. It's just like the ultimate in training operations, because it's actually real target through and we had several wandered from those missions, but there we did a great job for me when they were, they did a great job, so he kept me busy with that went. So I was technically still go on out with teams. I wasn't happy, you bought nights, I'm real sorry,

emissions hollow wanted those even count as you're Zagreb. That's enough, though it was just those judges. Data data do you try. The girl. Why don't you just can't do that? and I ran a ironically enough that was very similar to what it was like me when I came home and went to the Ranger Depart and became a ranger and doktor. That's what I do I was walking along Willard team around. You do it, upgrading in evaluating the patrol leaders, so he set the target since she back, but that's a little bit of a joke and then, when did you take over our t? Virginia was at your next, at your next one zero. We finish with a snake, bison

said are getting up one or motion for you before yet you wrote him back again. He said, and we ve got a team that we want to convert over to a Vietnamese led team. There's gonna, be a team. That's gonna operate with no Americans on. We ve got a vietnamese army. Captain. That's coming in here, so he'll be the team leader and were got Rte, Virginia Davis and nobody right now so I want you to train them with him and then you can Take him out on a mission and make sure he does k if he Ok, then, he will take over there

in your they will start getting sod missions such as soon as I got with a team. They were saying now now we and we want the enemies captain. I don't know where they were the supping about them. We bonded very quickly and then I started and we won't you ass. It can be made it's gotta be this guy saw we're gonna go training and they were good. I liked him, we go home well, but they did not like the cap, In the end, a meadow said: ok, you take a gene. Now you ve been all this time. Why don't you take on Angola then what were those missions did? Then you started doing. It saw resignation as they were good and how much

times de la with with Archie Virginia a lunch. My legs going cannot now, but I'm not was the last teen here that I was one IRAN, and so these missions are the same. You know you're going Ebay, enemy territory across the fence still says inserting and try. Do you recall on trying to fight intelligence, China, plant sensors and trying to avoid hundreds. If not thousands of an earlier and sometimes sometimes went out. Looking for a large was the mission you go, find em and once you ve I'm telling you got him located, bring the world you and introduce them to what we call later chalk and all you bring all this stuff on cars again get away once you know where they are.

So there's some of those were just straight up patrol the contact. You're gonna go in there and even a patrol defiance anatomy and then you're gonna call the fire. You guys do that and I think we at an Inn country mission with Virginia, but I think the first out country was what we sometimes called a suicide mission we put in two teams. Once we got on the ground which separate for you to be called a suicide mission, is real statement about things. Low is, are, we would separate, is to be called a guaranteed death mission, but ok, we'll go that suicide mission and in one team would be that the real, that was gonna stay out there. The suit I dream would be it was gonna, go make contact as soon as possible. Go find em, pounced, Saddam,

do as much damage as you could bring in the world, get extracted and go away, but the other team still out there and nobody knows that they are out there. Now they think now that was who got extracted from the way it was go against our will. You we went out and sure enough. You didn't take longer to fine, now a petitioner or so a pupil, and so we are online and we opened fire on. Let me we would normally just start out like that protects human here. I'll show you shoot narrow, they started shooting back and it was finding that what happened we were online and soon is all Although the bullet started coming back, it was soon They were all right here with me and then what are you doing and at its spread out you can't be here with me. No one be party. Take us all out.

Smoking a little bit spread back on Dispersion is what we call that, and we also say don't bunch up and I would think about psychology, what makes people own does like that, we we I think it's just fear and, like you want to be next to someone else, you want to have your buddy and it's so as soon as bullets are flying. It's like I'm going to get next to you because we'll be, either, and I feel better when we're together and the other thing I think she's communication people want here. What's happened, you want to know what's happening, and so they figure well the boss right there. Go get with the boss. That I'll know what's happening again: that's really over everyone else in the team thanks and Mexico. You, too close Do they they knew. I had the radio so where you, the suicide team, were you the assault team in that someone? I'm just gonna stay out their longer society. So we we hammered that group, which grew once we see Vietnam, languages, bring bringing enough air power to eventually we suppressed it enough that we could get attracted

so that was but we'd already. We had been in contact both once before the in country mission, but yeah I mean I ever did, that was a little issue, but we got that resolve your maintained, dispersion and following whatever their immediate action. Railways by they were contain, I mean they, they reacted. Normally very under fire and were those were. Those does have enemies. So with that, you wrap up with our T Virginia, and you get some order. And you actually have a document that you gave me about about this honour in our, nor, if you dont know, is rest and recuperation. And were actually going to cover that on the next podcast? So thanks for coming on and

Well, people feel these people in on this. Insane operation that titled, rest and recuperation. So thanks for coming out, thank you for it. For me all right over the next week. I thank you and with that, Mr Dick Thomson has left the building and once again it is an honour to be able to sit down with such incredible men and do have the opportunity to hear and to preserve their stories and their lessons as actually cut,

easy for me to be sitting here, an end to have this opportunity and be able to share it with anybody that wants to hear that wants to learn. So I am very thankful for this opportunity in one of the things that allows us to do. What we are doing here. Is you because by listening, you can take these lessons and apply them to your life and make yourself better and if you wanna help us, while you make yourself better, let seems like it would be a good thing to me. We could you can help us help. You help us up

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best thing I have ever seen in my life was term issue. It was in Canada. At this little Jeremy, Stephen sister got on cotton. Wait, we went to the south, we waited yeah weight in and we went to this italian place, homemade italian place the guy, we felt so much food, it was just or I was sick, how much room we ate and then he goes on making my term soon as again, all minors I'm making it for you. You know I'm just gonna. Do it, you just be quiet. So it's like forty minutes made it he brings out, and you know you know once meeting a lot, you still think you, more, but then, after, like fifteen, may no, I care I was at this, and so it was like forty minutes. So now I'm just thinking myself. I cannot eat anymore. You bring this term is her. Then he I for you we have already had an accident is either french or italian. I think it was french, but you know he just put it in front of me and I I took a bite and it was them. It was definitely one of the best things I've ever had

Dang, that's saying a lot because it's one thing: it's like you're hungry in the first time we had it all. I know and has that in your brain, but you were like basically the worst conditions. That may be so good. Because everything else will do so It reminded me did make a term assume mark, as if that even think, but What is true is there a term issue like a flea vinyl nowhere and I gotta research. I know I gotta do research readers, zero Italians guides terms, etc. So, speaking to Mark Union mark that's protein, it's another dessert which is asked. Tiramisu sure it's ask ninety four percent of terror messrs there's only percent of services that are minor blowing the restroom in other. Ok, is it because of the coffee,

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like more good, it surprisingly good. Yes, it was like a it is like the same deal a dessert little bit extra creamy, some peanut to a dark chocolate. One, yes more! You are correct one hundred by be little socking to belittle the other day, and I said I've only actually had the darkness mark a couple times you yes and he said you gotta, try it again. It's really good and so I went home and also ok, but I have had the dark darkness. It's got a marriage of my main jam right now, oh rid Artemus, you yeah! So all I've kind of disparaged that phrase a bit of a basic while you know everything to so great and in their chocolate, the darkness. Now I'm thinking. I underestimated the quality and the taste of the darkness

ok, Xavier Mark! You can also get strawberry mark and chocolate mark for your keys war, your kid molk, so that their health for the strawberry one. I'm not saying do this, but do this just try to have this this trade at a half a banana? Just, do my report back to retain my daughter. The other day she sent me she's in college, and she sent me a snapshot. Yeah sure the hurons and up to get there will never that's that closed scenario? With the fan closer, I gotcha anyways is cause visa. Eighteen year old girl, she sent me a snap of or of a shake, and it said it said you could you just now, exactly reset. It said literally a peanut butter, chocolate milkshake. That was the text And then she called me cause, I don't really

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