This is Jacko Podcast number two. Seventy two with ECHO Charles and me Jack, a willing good evening, academia. So when I worked with seal leaders and and then that interacted with leaders from the army and from the Marine corps Sometimes things went great and sometimes they didn't. and if there was a problem between leaders. Between leaders between people between troops, ninety nine percent of the time when I would pull the read on that problem at the end of that thread would be ego. Did you find it all the time I'd find it all time, and when I return, from an avian? I started working with leadership in Seville. In companies notion

I found the same thing when when leaders can't get along when we and they can't find a solution. We can't even move forward despite having a common goal when I'm work with company my poor friend or my problem. I find the same thing I find equal an egotistical leaders scream and they yell and they get emotional and they would rather Lou we would rather lose their method they're wrong. would actually rather die in some cases than admit that the wrong end of youth, that that's an exaggeration History is full of leaders

military leaders that died clinging to their plan, even in the face of their own death or worse, the death of their troops all because there you go now, look of course it economy. We know that not all ego is bad. You need ego to push. You drive you and make you and when in that's great but oh, inflated ego is the root of a vast majority of problems that people and leaders face and, as I look at the divisiveness in America right now,. The people that are screaming,

The extreme ends of the political stripped spectrum. When I listened to what they're saying. in. Why they're saying and are trying to figure out where coming from when I pull the thread on all that screaming and all that anger bs. Once again, I find ego. because if you, if you think, you're right about everything think that you're right about everything. That means everybody else is wrong. If you think that you know the thing that means no one else can know anything. and if your ego is so big and you you're. So smart way, Would you even have to listen anybody else. As you already haven't, figured out- why not

scream at them to shut up and you gotta watch out, especially when If, if, if someone is saying something that actually make some kind of sense in it hurt your ego, just scream louder, and when I look around and I see people that are screaming and not listening. That's what I see. I see ego, and sometimes it's true by insecurity, security, yet they think there be wrong in then again. What do they do they just scream louder? Don't let any one else talk shop them up? That's the ego. Does that being said, there are.

People out there today, many of whom are humble people that do listen. people can have an interactive conversational exchange with some one else. It might have opposing viewpoints. In their confident enough in themselves to actually listen and discuss and compromise and change their minds and learn and grow and understand and empathize and those types of people more. They make good neighbours. They make good soldiers, they made good friends, they make good human beings and they make good leaders and on lucky enough to have one of those people here with us tonight, a soldier, a Marshall artist, a surfer.

A former congresswoman, a Hawaiian and an American, you might have figured it out tolls he gathered. Tal, see thanks for joining us Aloha The last time we were together was on Joe Romans podcast. Yes, that was fun. When was that. I think that was some time in twenty nineteen. Will you rubbing yet young? I was sir, I was crazy, yeah and on he had been wild right, then call. Whilst we call for me too, I know it's not always been. I'm thinking like modern of cool is the word. I would always confounded gonna get someone that's like trying to make

Something happened and come up against all kinds of obstacles and still striving forward in pushing forward so from that perspective in vehicle. So, let's What's coming like gum, I would like to start from the beginning What I like to do so, I have a better context and understanding of where someone ends up, because we know more about where they came from yeah. So, let's talk about. where you came from. How did you end? pure today started off where american Samoa American, some is where I was born. the digital. Suddenly her correct highly. Do I get my permanently live somewhere? I must correct its nets. You gotta get elongated a little the sum of its sophomore year. It's I don't. It's just the facts right. I've very comfortable speaking I mean. Obviously I speak all the time but words

dont know how to say. I just do my best and move on. I will cover both the railways. I've got a french words and german names in what I just run into total things that I I just don't know how to SAM, and so what I do is I do my best and move on, and I think I get a certain level of forgiveness when people can lately. I do get tightened up from time to time. If I really make something awful but I guess you have to Forgive me a little bit cause I just kind of say what I what it looks like to me haven't, I don't know no judgment whatever. I, however, would get in trouble. If not the renouncing my homeland properly. If you see some, although like some more samoan that that's more like forgiven Ro total like there's no legs like the proper way. That's like you use the proper way. But if you don't he's gonna go: ok, it's it's waymore, forgivable! With someone area.

So it's not a major violin, not at all. It's actually not a violation day. Now they really it's not delay, IRAN's literally only people from someone who say so. I guess we're pretty insulting that I would say somewhat yeah, that's a little bit ass. It were goody goody. There I want Two Guam there's people from some other young out, most good people. are you and everywhere so my mom is born in Indiana Group in Michigan, dad born in born in somewhat my grandfather was in the air force, and so was born there, but he spent the first years of its life in Hawaii. My grandfather was station, a hiccup and then I will do you're the place. It ended up growing up in the Panhandle Florida suit sorts or your grandfather was in the air for have both both of my grandfather's on my mom site. At my dad side, served

served in the military but must have been around the world water. It was yeah, so my mom's dad served in believe he served in Europe. I don't know exactly where and then not, but but for a shorter sent them. He didn't, spend a career the military, but my dad's dad did spend his career in the military. a different times survey. I think he was in the army for a little while that he was in the Army air Corps. They ended up in the air force, and so they both had completely different upbringings. You know my mom grew up in EAST Grand Rapids Michigan. Witches during that time. A very kind of well to do area in her school. There were no, there were no non white people, and so you know she grabbed she's, a cheerleader. She was there. She kind of had the all american upbringing. Sir she's, a white person,

till she has a white person only as we say in how which, which you know little digression here, We'll say how we as a derogatory, wherever it all, depends on how use it is go, it can go either. Lash, that's gonna, kill you if it can be referred to as an attitude like, I don't care what, skin color is can be used to help the Rockets Oregon just be like. Ok, you happen to be caucasian Howie, but yeah Yes, my mom is highly based her skin, color and yeah. My dad Polynesian grew up, grew up actually in the south, and it was so dark there, upbraidings in and to hear the both of them tell stories about it, because you know my dad's gonna Elementary school and he eat he's told me how, like the teacher, ass ass, all the kids. Ok, where are you from any raises hanging like I'm from, saw more and she said

Somalia from Africa is ignored and also more sexy, no and that that was it like all the kids are making fun of him he's only kid with brown skin skin. The class and you know it go out, go out in town and end and get called get called. The inward gets, hold it out of you know the men's bath told you gotta go use the colored bathroom in oh there's. No, or found you gotta, be a hole in the back, because the water fondness for whites only an end so as he was so confused coming from some more and then Hawaii and he's like I'm, not I'm not black like he was it was. It was at a young age, is kind of being confronted with race, I am obviously but also just confusion on his part and on that that kind of was the

made a huge and a huge impact in his in his formative years in life, and so fast forward. He's gone, call, in California, moms gonna University of Michigan? They both had some jobs at Yosemite and what how they met. and finally, that was in order that was it would have been in the sixties, and maybe they know too One of our order. More frequent, pod gas guess John Striker Meyer, who ended up being a green brave, saw guy in Vietnam before he went in the army. Can you be without to Yosemite and work there in the summer? Is he the guy who has come with some of the Vietnamese yeah? Okay, that's cool! That's cool! Those are amazing. Oh my god. I love those that hearing from those guys out of this world,

working so they meet there is that their work is having cafe in Yosemite. Dad rejected MA am ask her out and she's like ok like let's go. She liked you play tennis he's like yeah they didn't play tennis at all. So I go Let's go play as their first, so they went out in the tennis court. She beat him six love, six love for them. tennis player that means zero! He got zero point that I think the key word was actually zero love and what became a very high the competition huh He then later on, when it became a actual tennis pro and they ve been married, now almost think fit. Three years and still play tennis almost every day together

but that was how that was how making Carol Gabert began and the first think one of the fields. With the first time he went to visit my mom in Michigan after they were, they were gone out for a little while And my mom, I think I think they were gone up. Why my mom had decided like she wanted to marry the sky and told my grandma, and my dad happened to be in the garage about to walk in the door and start over here. This conversation inside the house, an addendum heard my grandmother's response to my mom saying Carol, but he's not even white. How can you marry him, and dad was little taken, aback and turned around and went back and gotten the car and when one took a little bit of time

but it was just a reflection of the complete stark differences and where they were frogmen, you know their views of of the world and end up being. Obviously they fell in love with my dad and and die It was there bringing together of two different people to different backgrounds and- and ultimately you know, my dad took her away on the mainland, an end to to solve all. Were they both weapon as teachers? They both got jobs as teachers there. My mom was doing on she's a speech therapist, so helping kids, who had different kind of speech issues and dad became that it gives us an idea of the community college. There in english major, and so they, the three there's five kids in our family and the three metal kids were all born there and then we moved to HU. I e, when I was ten years old, so who has been home for me ever since

to get Hawaii and I mean you're What's the weather like when you get there or what like, what are your memories of growing up in Hawaii? What were your formative memory? That was one of my earliest memories. Do so I'm four or five, so my little sister was the baby of the family and she was. She was born in Hawaii and she basic. she came a little sooner than expected, and so my dad delivered or at home quickly- and I were judged that happen, but not that there is a big, strong or those of reality. You know I'm thirty, three years old at the time. I remember it. I have I vaguely remember of PTSD, I pretty lies. I dont remember I like a cat visualize it, but do remember beings. what you're advertised by it will let the story goes that, like my baby sitter, who is there also that that, after

witnessing that I told her like I never ever want. do that So we moved roundly group on island of Oahu origin. he's doing for work there. There teachers they were too. Yours there, they had started kind of a small, a small private school that went to and then and then they ended up at the school had to close down for for one reason or another, but then the way they they ended up teaching us we were home, schooled and then teaching us in a bunch of other cannot kids in the neighborhood at home. And then these they or their entrepreneurs at heart. They ve always been even it back and saw more. They were teaching, but they had MIKE's tenant MIKE Sport shop. They had little sports shot, so they ve always had some kind of side, gig happening and always

for ideas for new businesses and and eventually they opened up in a family style, Delhi, restaurant, healthy, healthy eating. so they they ve done a lot of different things in their lives and it's always been family family affair everything that's going on here, but you did you have involvement? Will you make an sandwiches down at the Dell, I'm the one I get to take credit for coming up with the name of the restaurant. It was called the Natural Delhi. we, I remember us sitting round the family living room and having a brainstorm session, and we are all we are all quite competitive. The deal was whoever get. Whoever comes up with the name of the rest. Shot gets one free dinner at the restaurant, picking up, apparently repetitive, Renate, greater exotic completely. I had no idea what I felt very victorious in my mind of my win, however, had no idea

that we would pretty much be eating their every day? How long were you in this homes? well before it was cool scenario. I all the way through Highschool router, and it was so there there's a five year gap between me and my closest brother. The three boys are about two years apart, none the their thirst there's a story that my dad loves to tell, which is that after the three boys, my mama's like that's it, I'm done, she got tubes tied, she was seriously died and was she wasn't San at Missus in Sama like way back when, where hospital today is still probably about the years behind modern medicine so that is my dad a few years, but he finally convinced her too, to have more kids

she went to the hospital in Savoie she's like k, gonna do what I did hear and it worked and ass to my sister and I came along and that's so there's a five year gap between us and every birthday for me, and my sister is like girls there, me. You wouldn't be here without me and your mom, your mom, to what were you thinking of when you were when you run high school? What are you thinking of doing with your life, didn't have. I didn't have a specific profession in mind, career path or or anything I did. understand and realize from a really young age before even before high school, that, I think I think too big Two big things number one was that I was here biased when I was

I was doing things for other people, so you say we go out and we do like beach. Clean option and grow up in horror is I've loved the ocean? I look like I learned how to swim at all. I wanna beach, you know in the in the shore therein and just just loved our home and end from a really young age, had a really deep appreciation and a kind of a sense of being a protector for our home. and so you know, we'd we go out in Non. Do beach clean and do other things, and I just I just felt happiest when I was doing things for others when I, when I could be of service and understood and realized from young age that that's what I wanted to do, an and really in a deeper spiritual way, understanding that I was happiest when being of service to God and

What better way to be of service to God, then to care foreign to serve godchildren an end this this planet, so that something that I knew in a decision I made very early on. But what exactly that- like how do you know what path that would take? I hadn't had no no idea, but I also knew- and I I distinctly sir- I was probably eleven or twelve- and I felt this reality that I didn't know how much time I would have in this life and that death with something that could come at any time. and I knew that I I wanted to add needed to make the most of my life and the time that I had an understanding how

issues that was was there anything that triggered that would did you lose a family member? Did you see a thing die on the beach or something like that or was it just some I came from a mean it came, it came from. There was no kind of external trigger. I think it really came from spending time in prayer and meditation. Frankly, Because I'm in this, this was something this was something that you know got a guy has been the centre of I mean, is the centre of my parents, marriage and its, not in a sectarian way at all, just understanding a real religion is love forgotten. However, you,

used to worship at home or a church, a temple over MOSS or what whatever. However, you choose to develop that relationship with God that that your happiest, that is where you can find peace and shelter and happiness, and and that that Is the foundation that allowed me at a young age to realise that truth? and not in a way. That's like, oh my god, I'm so scared, I'm going to feel like. I could die tomorrow and not not not in a fear, build way at all, but rather just a sense of understanding. The truth that is not only. You know. We have now control over when our time will come and therefore surrender that surround To that end, surrender.

to knowing that hey my my life is ultimately in God's hands and so knowing that the death of this physical body does not mean the death of me, the sole within the body and therefore understanding that being free from the fear of death, but understanding also how precious this this life is and wanting to do my best to make sure didn't waste wasted wealth, amazing, you- and I can actually even have conversation is to human beings, because, if you're talking, but when you are ten or eleven years old- and you think but what you were thinking about what he were ten years old at. First of all, I did, I did think I could be killed and at last I told my little thirty's on top of that, like GUM Utah,

not serving people in helping people, and I more than anything just wanted a machine, gun, do so. We youtube you mentioned that that really whose party life. What what we know what religion did you, the obvious that must come from home cause, you were home schooled. So is your parents? What sort of religious view. Did you all have? What was it? it was. It was the I think, the deepest true, first meaning of religion itself, which is is that real religionist is love cultivating a loving wish personal, loving relationship with God, and so that the boy drop on that, which is shit so much not having not not under and a kind of what is sector in his m. As as a as etiquette growing up at all my mom grip, intimate

this family. My dad group and catholic family dad, went to cemetery for a while. He thought he wanted to become a priest and end. Both in their own ways ended up coming to appoint separately. then later together in wanting more than they were getting from the religious or spiritual practice that they said that they had grown up with and like for my dad, he told me how the seminary when he went, you know as a kid he had grown up, memorizing averse, I think, or or a prayer. That said some like in order to be happy. One must know, love and serve God. And so as a kid he's thinking? Ok, no love and serve God

in order to love like the first step of that? Is you have to know God? How can I know God so that I can love and serve him and he asked one of the priests at seven? That question like, where can I where and how can I know more about God and the priest kind of patted him on the head, and he said you know this is a mystery. Might my child? This is a mystery, and so for my dad is like why dont like that doesn't compute. How do you? How do you love some? if you can't know who they are- and so he like, even as he was a teenager, I think at the time and not that kind of did the seed of that hunger for more knowledge and that more Europe having the depth of that personal relationship with God and and Similarly, they both found their ways again through different

adds to looking at me, no eastern spiritual practices in meditation and found scriptures and teachings based in the vague scriptures which come out of India and Hinduism, but that are also not sectarian, like you dont convert into Hindus and you dont convert out of it there. Bad time, less kind of universal spiritual teachings of boxes yoga something called Bach Tioga and Karma Yoga, Bach, Tioga being a spiritual practices in seeking to live your life in in loving service to God and Karma yoga people from air with the word karma, which really means action and karma yoga, meaning doing your best to take actions that have a positive impact to be

service to others, and so those those are the spiritual practices that that I have in my life and that I was introduced to from from a really young age. So it's not if it did it This is a very long answered your question, but it's not about like it wasn't like we had Edna. We went to bed, my mom would say the Lord's prayer and read stories about you know, crash from the back of a deed. I you know with watching of Nazareth like sixteen hundred times, because that was one of the few movies you're allowed, watches kits kind. And he knows celebrate celebrate celebrations, like John loss to me, which is which is the celebration of the appearance of Krishna in this world over five thousand years ago, and celebrate Christmas and set up the nativity scene and seen Christmas carols, and there was never ever any any sense of contradiction or having

to choose one or the other, and we go to mass with my ground there when she came to town and go to an there was no contradiction, because, frankly, when you get right to the heart of it, once you get past all the all of the unfortunate like bureaucracy in divisiveness that that exist too often that create conflict amongst people of different spiritual path. you just get to the heart of it. What is it it is about loving God and whether you call God Christian or allow or Jehovah God as many names there's one God. He has many names and it doesnt matter. None of that none of none of the the superficial matters. If in your heart you do your best to love God and to serve him, and so that's

that? I am grateful to have been able to realise myself from her from a relatively young age and knew that that is how I wanted to. My life. So how did you end up with so you have this right, what kind of heavy spiritual background. What what went! Where were you grounded too, like interacting with other kids who were jerks, and you know it seems like you- could be sort of a little bit sheltered in this world. I could be tolerant, but it seems like if that's the way you raise and all of a sudden. You know you go down to the market and someone says You know get out of my way, you you know you, oh Brad or whatever. How do you want? What was that what was? How did the rest it? How did you interact with the rest of the world when you were in this stage of you know we weren't, we weren't, we weren't

third, a kind of closed off. We had a lot of you not like his neighborhood and you We we often times like my mom, was the head cook at the restaurant and so should go and liked to the start cooking we'd go in with my sister. I got my dad a little later on. We do school in office with him and then spend the rest of the day like you wiping tables or hanging out with customers and just talking story in and on like that, was the leader of a second home for us in our did. Gymnastic did Marshall I did did all the things Damn There is no there No,

separation, or anything like that, you know so it sounds like there was balanced and unknown. Were you know, working at a restaurant? That's what I should have put that together. Could, when you're working at a restaurant, you, our customers, you got people young people that are happy people, their sad people that are mad. People are gonna, tell you, you know, go screw yourself and that you're Sandwich Stockton, people that are like all this wonderful! You get all those people get. So you learn a lot about the world, and so that's good. That's a good balance very much so very much so sports, you just mentioned kind of like no big deal, martial arts, gymnastics haven't you are or how into you were all how into all of that. Were you very much I loved, love gymnastics until I start stocks. I got really like too big. Thank you, MR heard a girl and like I transition, as I was. Definitely more of I've, been I'll. Try ballet as little girl to me and ballet, didn't jive

So well, that's my sister was definitely more of like the the arena type in. I don't know I just Zeus, not not so much my my flavour, so I definitely gravitated towards martial arts and earliest did take Lando and startling tight she and owing Chon end Filipinos fighting armies, and so got got introduced to a lot of different types of martial arts, and I was that kid. That was old, like okay, if you wanna, like tough in yourself up, you need across the street to the park and kick a tree trunk. Over and over, like sweet awesome, I the kid that men, maybe echo, Kimberly, I'd, never liked wearing shoes and would purposely like me,

oh hiking up a mountain, and I'm like shoes, shoes for wheat people. I need to make my beat off because I dont want how leafy so out of that kind of me that much growing up, and maybe you know having three older brothers who who had a lot of fun. making me and my sister do really stupid there's a strong word, but you know we're call them challenges. Yeah, that's column, challenges, challenges that really had no good outcome, one where the other four for us other than that the talks at other than being tat. You have you been Yosemite, I have not forget which hide your was. But you know my son was the same way like no shoes ever and we hike to one of the legitimate hikes at Yosemite. It just a day. Hike Pagano many thousands of feet of altitude and many miles of walking, and he did it bare feet.

her foot and people were walking by him in here, just disturb their looking at me. Like I wanted you to do. It was literally no factor for him to having a zero factor because would never wear shoes ever so that an no, the kids got toughie, he can spread on just gravel The are you feed still tough. Probably not as tough just cuz, you know like have after, where, like a suit and yields and all those things a little for work, that was an adjustment. Now We have work to do, but where was this by the way for a more powerful? Who did so? My sister was born and, while you are That's really that, but most of my childhood was included valley. And and then later later would psych downtown Honolulu Rousseau little little diverse little little slice of each each of the different kind.

cultures and communities on or what you did you graduate than from high school, graduate from home school that would Ben like Ireland. Ninety seven, I think, So you get on with high school than what what are you doing? So I started and environmental non custodial done, pay the rent. Fortunately so yeah work that I had so I had started. Cofounded environmental nonprofit called healthy haughty coalition. Maybe I was sixteen or seventeen and I was thinking about I figured out like cable you know we're going to doing beach cleanups on the weekends and every weekend we come back in there's more trash on the beach like. How do we start to try to solve deeper problem in and came up with an idea of going and talking in elementary school kids about like

Hey guys, here's why you shouldn't like throw your soda can in your ship bag on the beach because this is our home. This is our playground and and here's what happens when you, when you do that, and- and I can up with like like a funny, little skit called the adventures of water woman, a friend of mine whose and artists came up with like a workbook and colouring book fur for kids, and I bought elementary because you know that obviously, kids are starting to figure things out, And on the ass, though, we We had this is today programme. One day was the skit and the work book it in the next day. We actually took kids out too, to like a field trip in like testing water and understanding like ok, here's like Water versus dirty water and why and how it gets contaminated, but very simple, practical way that they could really relate to in their lives and so was the original water woman had like Blue board shorts and the cape with the big water drop on the back and

it was so far there they exist there. There may even be a video somewhere out of it. so is water, woman and her nemesis was oily owl and the skin Really a day in the life of Oily Alan, you now he'd be out there like a throne, his trash, on the street or chain the oil in his car than dumping, the dirty oil down a storm drain. You know dumping a bunch of pesticides and his in an and every step of the way? No water woman comes in Jerusalem Nick. I'm and save the day tells oily out like if you dump here the car oil down the storm drain. It's gonna kill all the fish and the water, and you know, went on the kids when you go surfing the web. it's gonna be really grows and it was just the coolest thing. to succeed These kids sitting Cross legged on the ground, like you know, per second third graters ends

in kind of like the light bulb, go off in their eyes, because these were examples that they could understand and and relate to, and that was my hope in doing this. Was that you know, it would at least plant a seed for them to understand and appreciate their consequences to your actions and we care very much about our home and see stop and think for a minute before you do something or if you see encore anti like Anti, don't throw your trash out the car window Martha and and be able to start to make more of a veto, behaviour all behavioral kind of change and impact to protect our. How did you get

yes, what now was your dad? What your dad was in politics at some level in Hawaii, wasn t he he and I might have some first person. Our family ran actually raindrops. As my mom. She ran for border education. I think it was in it was in two thousand ochre, sir, and so the water woman that were three predated that yeah that's it, but that's what inspired me eventually like it got to a point where an end and the way coalition still exist today there are other water. Omens have have come come. After me, but she still out there, but it got to point where I started going to community college and with the aim of working, the tv and film industry, Louis community college and a start in the tv and film production course out there and then was gonna transfer to a mainland school,

be able to continue continue that kind of education, but a couple of things happen. My financial aid package fell through and I couldn't afford it. To come to the mainland and so and then the other thing was just there. There was an open seat in the state legislature. Where I lived and I I I, I started to think about. Ok, have an opportunity here to stand on the outside. There are other things you know we they want to build up a huge landfill over one of our biggest. Her aquifers enjoy all of our water comes from groundwater, so you know I and a whole bunch of other people. We went out and got petition than we organised in and ultimately, thankfully, we able to get that that project cancelled, but. it got as far as it did because of a politician who is kind of in the pocket of the landfill company.

And so I started to think you know I can. I can stand on the outside and hold a sign or circulate a petition, or I can try to put myself in a position of influence and decision making to directly impact a lot of environmental issue really cared a lot about- and that's it led me to run for state house in two thousand to my hand were you. I was twenty one and my dad thousands, that. My dad ran for City Council that same year, so it's kind of it was kind of fun for us to show you. The city council on wine. I and I was running for state House and have a beach and so on. Districts like that they didn't overlap. Really what their adjacent to each other but every morning it was like. Ok, my mom would package such an arm

send him out, and then I went out we're sign waving every day and knocking on doors every day for four months, but that was that was both of our introduction into running for office The same time- and it was for me- was a totally it was a totally free, an experience because I had no uniform education in it. I was not a part of a debate. Team had not been trained to power. speak in any way at all, and on top of all of that. hold all one hundred percent introvert. Like you know, I had circle of friends grown up, but I was I was so shy and I was fine with it, so it was hung out with where one hang out with

but anybody outside of that I would not. I wouldn't talk to people as make my sister go out and talk to people and Andre books and doing martial arts and yoga, and just do do my thing and So2 then put choose to put myself in a position where I'd have to learn how to give speeches that have to figure out how to pick up the phone and call total strangers, which is anxiety inducing in and of itself, but not only do that, but ass, them like hey. Would you like to donate to my campaign for a state house too then go like never forget the first. I want to go knock on doors like I knew enough about I'd done enough. Two no care if I'm gonna run for the sea, I'm gonna run to win and in order to do that, I have to convince this. Many people to vote for me in order to win this race and so on.

I had the math figured out and I had the voting lists, people's addresses and names and literally guy in the computer made like this black and white kind of Jackie Brochure. Her saying this is who I am and I had no copies. That I wouldn't made at the coffee shop then, and I In my car slick of awkward colored, Yo Metro to Giorgio Metro on all. Ever beach road in N Y Pa who, and it took about thirty minutes in the car to seven the courage to go, knock on that first door, and I was terrified, absolutely terrified just thinking of every scenario that could possibly go wrong. but also like what are the first words that need to come out of my mouth and then what?

Asked me this question. What if I don't know the answer to all of these different things and an like one knocked on the first door and lights? Wonder: old Filipino Lady answer the door and she's like hey. How are use wonderfully kind offered me a glass of water and, like the homeless, cop. Ok, then What do the whole scenario over again for the next door horses like every single door was, was a major obstacle for me and ultimately like why but myself through this, and how did I get through it? It really just eight that group goodness and end the abyss. Thirty two step way outside of anything I was comparable with came from that that desire to serve and knowing that, ultimately, in reminding myself ultimate like whitey care, so much about yourself. This is not about you

if you wanted to do something for yourself, you would certainly not be doing this. You be out surfing right now and, and that was That was my introduction into into elected policy sir. You one did your dad I won and he one yet and my mom, my mom, was serving. She served one for your term in the border education, so for two years from two thousand to two for the three of us were all like in serving indifferent buildings on the same kind of in a quarter quarter mile quarter Square Mile area in Honolulu, whose it was fun and- and Obviously you liked it at some level. You liked the impact that you were able to have, because you carried on with this sort of yeah it Life, I never once thought we know

when I won that election, it was five way democratic, primary first that I had to get through and then a general election that I got through I, yes, I liked the impact, but I'd never once thought that I want to have a career quote unquote career in politics. I was absolutely not attack did I thought: okay, hey. This is something I can do now and I'll make the most of it, and then you know will see will see where it goes, and I ended up serving just one term there because of Iraq. So when did you what? What is it? relevant happen so I really am. Where were you yeah? So I was. I was just starting my my campaign to run for the State House when that happened.

And at what point? Did you decide you wanted to enlist and now the National Guard in Hawaii ay ay, New and someway, when nine slash, eleven happened and obviously were in Hawaii. You know where six hours behind New York on that day, so we woke up to turning on the news and it had already happened, and you know I think, like like everybody in our country, is it bit it deep. It's a deeply impacted me in a way that I felt

straight away that I wanted to do something to two to go after and defeat the terrorist that attacked us. Then I just didn't quite know exactly how to do that, because I was, I had already made a decision to pursue this particular path. Of being able to serve Hawaii and down so eventually, eventually I felt that that I learned about the National Guard and what it's about, and you know, serve your state in its time of need, but also be ready to stand up and serve your country in and decided to enlist in early two thousand and three, because I felt that would be a way that I could

accomplish both objectives. Essentially, did you have familiarization with the military because of your grandfather that had spent his whole career in the army and the air force or www early at just gestures? Where is he away. While I was still relatively young and and because they he and my grandmother lived and saw more. We didn't get a ton of time together. My dad had head and his high school best friend had tried to enlist to serve in Vietnam. They had both gone too. I guess it would have been map, sir some sort of version of it and they both why didn't together and went into different rooms to go through all the medical exams and stuff. You want to be a medic and when they came out, my dad had been rejected for medical reasons. It may have been flat feet or something like that, and he was he was totally heartbroken, but his best friend came out and wasn't listed

and so in that of going in and serving in Vietnam, but is something that my dad always wished that he had been able to do just too to be able to serve, and so that was brought. That was pretty the most of my personal note, no one else in my family, my knights of my uncle's said sir, but again we're in Hawaii. So like we get to see to see marheyo them that much Sir, you, sir, you show up the book you gotta boot camp. He asked I a camp, I I was in the state legislature at the time, and so I had to I e the rig I'd, be no took the DAS Bab in everything recruiters like me, I can you can have whatever job you want. Just tell me what you want to do and literally made the decision as like look, my son, has done on this date, and then I gotta act by this date, so find me a basic. Meaning and an HIV that can fit within these likes. This five month period gotta, knock it all out at once. and so I ended up

a like medical operations or some like that, because the eighty was only seven weeks long, I advised like Wanna do like why, with combat journalist, or something like that, but you gotta go to school for six months or whatever, but so I shipped out right Stirred the legislative session was Don listed on the action that the floor, the state house. and went for Jackson. The summer of two thousand three managed to night, get noticed by the drill sergeants for my political job Till like a week, seven of nine reach her pretty happy about and only got found out because me and my my assigned battle buddy, we were pulling duty at like the battalion headquarters one afternoon like watching the door, whatever it was, and the better

our major walked in and did what sergeant majors do like paper, It's! How are you where you come from and wood for he joined the army, and you know that whole conversation- and so you talk to me about play first and she told him she think she's from the Midwest and she's like how do you know? I was working at Mcdonald's and decided to join the military, and this is what I want to do and That's great it's great, and what about you like from Hawaiian must state representative there, and you know this is what I Wanna do in and he just looked at me like you wait you, you said what you do what you like how come? I don't know about this. He asked me that how come out I know about this I dont know I in processing paperwork. That says what is your civilian occupation? I I wrote down and in turn to end but

who's. Your drill sergeant. I was well all down a little odd over me from their going from Hawaii, going from like the kind of cruising mode of Hawaii, which I know it sounds like. There's there's a little bit of wealth is theirs, Like this whole competitive thing with your family and you're obviously were driven cause, you're out cretin things in running. For often all this. But I mean all of a sudden year in boot camp? Was it a shock? Of course its I'd I'd, be worried if if it was a shock, but I am really you know I happy that I went in with the perspective of at least- just understanding that, whatever the madness, is, there's a purpose to it and don't if I did I'd just I've, never I've always been, but pretty chill person. I dont get freaked out by that. Much and arm

yeah, so I actually in a very weird and twisted way, really loved it. It was, it was the camaraderie in that kind of bond that that is built in a very Serbia, time with a whole bunch of strangers from all over the country, knowing that and appreciating that like All of us are there for the same reason. All of us are there for the same purpose. Whatever the motivating decision was to enlist really didn't matter that SAM, you know, we all were the same uniform and in all the same team was it was I loved it. How long have you got back from boot? Camping HIV? Was it that you went on your first deployment back home at the end of two thousand three from training and then the TWAIN I forget, combat team from the high enough, guard was activated. I want to say the notification came out in the summer of two thousand for I was campaigning for me

reelection at that point in time and remember going in, and I had taken a break from knocking on doors, knocking on doors again, and I got an email at home, check my mail at home and and got the notification of the deployment. But I was on the eye was not on the deployment roster because they are, they already had somebody who filled. You know that job in the medical in the field- medical company, as I made it, we called my commander and just said: hey like what's what's the deal here, I dont see my name on the roster. I said Tulsa, congratulations like you get to stay home, you'll have to go and That bothered me a lot and I just said no, I just I knew that there was no, I could stay back and that to you now

sit in my office in the state, capitol and watch everybody leave was not an option for me and So I continue The conversation with MIKE Mike Mike Commander- and I just said, sir- I'm going tell me what job I need to get trained in that you need filled so that I can go and that's it. That's that's what happens I kind of oil ITALY withdrew from my re election campaign was too late to take my name off the ballot, but tell everybody like I'm, not I'm not running for re election volunteered to fill this position and we left. We started our active duty train up. I think it was in August of that year, two thousand and four, and then we were in country in early January, two thousand and five. What job did you get trained for what job mobility I? It was medical logistics, so supply

which, and euro specialist at this point allows any for a kind of a fresh for nothing, and As you know, like ok, I felt I filled the position, but once we actually got there, I ended up becoming. I ended up filling a position that was previously held by any seven as the brigade, surgeon operations, person and so kind of was working. You know like line of duty, paperwork and injuries and tracking supplies for all of our medics and docks and pays who were attached to olive like the infantry and Edson Anne, and also every day, just tracking going through going through the report every day for

Are our brigade commander of of looking name by name down this list of casualties that had occurred in the previous twenty four hours to see if there was any one there from? Are nearly three thousand person brigade and make sure that they were getting taken care of whether in country to stay in country are getting the vacuum aided in an end? Staying with them and tracking? care every step of the way until eventually they made their way home. Where were you actually stationed in Iraq? We were in Ballade and Ellis Anaconda most of us- were there that was kind of the base, and then we had units in camp victory in Baghdad and in a couple other kind of smaller fobs out in different areas and

I moved around. I moved around a little bit kind of going out and visiting some of our are units and checking on them where they were they were, but that was that was primarily or I spent most of the time How did you what was at the appointed like from you know your perspective? Now, look back, what kind of lessons did you bring back? Would you learned from that from that deployment to Iraq lot. I came back in my family hold me this after I dont think I fully realised how much I had changed, but it was something that they immediately noticed in an incoming back just more sober and more focused.

and that that really came from you know. I I talked a little bit about how realising from a young age like death can come at any moment. Will that's that's a philosophical realization and being there that became very real, very quickly and In other words, there was have you been there? Did you ever passed when I went to Balad I'd be there for, like twenty minutes, then go to a meeting and leave. So I barely remember anything about the lost you come in on bike vehicle However, I do yeah, so there There was within the first couple of days of us arriving there big camp massive, and so how kind was gone out and like a ok oriented myself, whereas everything at and noticed right away at at the North gate of that camp at least that time, Antonov it's still there, but there is a big there's, a big, huge sign that someone had put up on. You know

that you would see every time you leave cap out through Northcote, which is where most of our patrols use that gate that this and read. Is today the day- and I just remember, being stopped in my tracks and just taken a minute to too to take that in and the meaning of it so that none of us would ever forget that today could be the day and that that was the welcome message and it, DE it it hit home. So much in in that daily task that I had of of actually seeing names of people who I never knew people in different parts of of over seven different parts of the country, but also people who I did know whose names would pop up

on that list. Every single day that I went through and recognising again how precious life is end. any any day any moment? You know that that could be your last and then, of course we had. Unfortunately, you know we lost lost a lot of people during that deployment and to me it is it really it? It changed everything for me because, ultimately, Coming home, I knew there was absolutely no way that I could just go back to the life that I had left behind as though I didn't just exe. I like the people, I call you're going to go back and run to your seat in the state legislature going to pick this up and kind of like hit the play button on my life that had been paused and it was impossible I even think about it, because I knew that somehow this excuse

in that I had had. I wanted. I wanted to do something positive with it in in being able to impact the kinds of decisions. That took us all to that war in the first place then said, and what was the next move when you get home? It's too, is it now two thousand vows I've six thousand. He asked that we were in country for a year and then you know had the DE mobilization when we came back and so as to that six and I was trying to figure out what what am I going to do. There is no obvious answer to that: than I was asking, which was. How can I you know? How can I take this and turn it into something positive ultimately I ended up volunteer, are one of our: U S, senators from Hoy at that time, Senator Coca was being channel and a primary election, which tie

of unheard of you know, did our of incumbency. Is is very real. Policies like kindness, most Aloha guy, you ever ever meet in your entire life No one has a bad thing to say about him, but he got this challenge that came out of nowhere, and I didn't him at all personal, had no personal relationship whatsoever, the guy, challenging him. I did have Some interaction with that was not positive, and so I was as like. Ok, I'm gonna go volunteer full time for Senator cock, make sure that that that he wins his re election and he did and he I dont know if he was already, I think he was after the reelection. He began the chairman of the? U S, committee for veterans, affairs and so

volunteering on the campaign, as chief of staff said: hey, you wanna, come and work in Washington and as a legislative aid and and help him with that work on the committee in, and you know, environment and energy out your resource few other areas, and so what I did and that have gone, and in working with him in Washington for for years. I went there oh CS, while I was there and do you know she s bill it did you grow college somewhere along the way. The question I forgot about that fire. I was working, I was, I was while in Iraq work at home. Degree grotto, gonna education center tat. You know, like gay, sometimes got mortars common in a new alarm sounded gotta, go the bunker and come back out and say I was continuing my education. While I was There- and I had gotten just

Enough credits, nude Sixty credit score. Oh yes and I had just enough credits to go, and I was still working on my degree when I was in DC and I was going to working there, and so I was going to working full time and doing school at night, but yeah split in split in and then got. I think you needed ninety credits to get your commission guidelines as to how to keep screwed me yeah. So I just barely squeaked by good, so you know she S. Is it anything? anything shocking about. Oh she s anything that was I loved. I knew obviously Yossi asses to train leaders, but I didn't know going in the depth, and that was why I was. That was why I wanted to go through OCS. When I graduate from basic training I was like. I want to be the sergeant major of the army one day, all about it and then gotta deployment under my belt and got to witness some some examples of of God.

leadership, also, some examples of leaders that were lacking in and a lot of areas at end, especially to blight deployed, set, in a dangerous way, and that was that that made a major impact for me coming back to say: ok in same thing like, I can complain about having shitty leaders or I can actually go and try to be be a good leader of soldiers and- and I love- and I tell kids- you come ask me, like hating Orange, when the military coup officer, very biased you can go to the West point thing. That's great the highly highly recommend o c S, because is, it is intense. It is relatively short, and it is just like it. It is the essentials of provide it provides the essential tools to to begin your leadership path. And I just I lie did so much that I ended up going back as attack,

officer after I had gotten a deployment as a tune leader under my belt, and then I love that More How long is innocent? How ones aren't you see us? So? The active duty army or csf for banning, which is, I think, three makes a bit Three or four months, through an accelerated national guard. Oh she s in Alabama at Fort MILAN that uses the same programme of instruction as the as the fort bending programme, but just condenses it down to. I think it was maybe you ten weeks and the given the differences like big weekends off it Fourpenny aim. I beg you to use computers and thorns and like that, and we got none of that it was. It was seven days a week. You know four a m to midnight all orders like no access to technology whatsoever. So everything you were doing it was like your writing. It you're writing, you're, very sick.

Page order yourself, and you know it socked as yours. There is, of course, but you know, I'm old enough now and I'm approaching eighteen years now in the army reserves, and so I'm like one of those old people like man, you guys cuts good. Now and then a day you, So then you on another deployment in the jail- you go to Kuwait. Quite that time, yeah We were, it was a different. It was a different mission for their brigade and kind of each of the battalions were task out and in a lot of different areas, allow of our are infantry battalions or cab battalions were doing convoys security from within Kuwait in and out of Iraq. My put

and was attached to, Fyodor Artillery Battalion, and we were we. I am so grateful for this, but we work. We were physically located very, very far away from the flagpole and then the big bases that that exist in Kuwait. So we were within an active kuwaiti name, base and read on the water which you know it's my gig, I gotta be close the water, if I can but our main mission, the artillery retired, had a kind of a forest protection mission, but the tune we had had two things: one was kind of security like like high level security. If we had vips come in and equator and we worked with the embassy a lot, we did a lot of stuff in around the embassy, so like PTSD, personal security, now we did security for a lot of the ammunition movements from the ports to where they had to go.

And then also we did a training mission, which was the which was the fun one for me, was being able to go and train the the kuwaiti army on. You know marksmanship basic. You know how to clear, building what do you do if you're dealing with like a civil disturbance or a riot controls nothing it was it was. It was This thing for me, though, because you know platoon leader for the military police, the tune in Kuwait, where lies until we got there, they don't allow women on their basis at all it doesn't matter if you're, the generals, wife or you're a janitor. There are no women. What have you told us he gathered?

toxic average showed up, and I really didn't know when we world up like that first day, to go in and meet the union meet the unit commander obviously I'm in uniform and my hair is up. I got big ball here on the back head and I didn't know what they were can do at the gate. Did you have the females. In your button I had I had to two females in my button. There was any three mama's any for the rest, were you know these guys were working state, local or federal law enforcement? firstly at home in their civilian jobs, Jobson. Just not all of them had at least one or two deployments under their balance. There there seasoned experienced guys but yes, I I showed up. I showed up on day one and in our kind of showed mighty card at the gate and the gate garters didn't, really know what to do. He saw you know, he's all the american flag in his life

ok, go ahead, and- and so my eye was my partner in this- was a master sergeant, IE, eight and super supercool easygoing guy. And so we want, and we started to, we got introduced to the the guys that we'd be training. We ended up doing. number of innovations of different groups guys. But you know what kind of went down the line, shaken, hands and saying hello, and, There was probably half of the kuwaiti guys who I was invisible There certainly was no shaking hands, certainly no eye contact or even acknowledgement that I was standing there and you know. Ok, I got it challenge, how do you go from like? I? Don't exist in your universe, to actually being able to help provide you with some instruction and develop the report necessary to be able to do that and so I

I kind of dry, from maybe the Aloha in Hawaii of just recognising hey, you know, were or different people, different backgrounds, different language, different culture, different everything. But I respect like I respect you. And I'm on a treat you with that, a law that respect and gradually start to see the ice. Gonna start the thought ultimately known or out of the range and I'm walking up. And I'm telling on like hey like gay here's, this like basic safety, things in and then Ok, I'm gonna show you how to do it, and then you know Gradually. I got to the point I knew I knew I had made progress. We sat down for lunch, and they started to share their lunch with me- is all like food food is food is the ultimate you know, bridge builder, and I knew

Zero, like hey like here, try my food, like I awesome like cool yeah, that's really good, and it got the point where arm on on, your graduation day of that first group, commander had everybody in the room. Everybody see variegated urging all the graduation certificates in everything and Their commander asked me to come forward and presented me with this lack of appreciation and thanks and some of them are some american civilians who are also working that that mission and and they in their longer than we had nay said toss afterwards. I told you. I hope you understand what a big deal that was for this kuwaiti military officer. You know the traditional bearded muslim men to recognise the accomplishments of a woman, and I was very grateful to have the name

to experience, experience that in recognising the bigger significance that in a knot so much about like all. This is about women's rights are empowerment, but more so about how to overcome seemingly impossible barriers to get to a place where you have mutual professional respect and understanding and end the power of that alone and their obvious parallels that we could point to today's world here in Amerika, but they are not. That's it that's not historian. Lately I've been talking a lot about the fact that if you want respect You gotta give respect if you want people to listen to you, you gotta, listen to them if you want to have influence over people, you got to allow them to influence you, and if you want to build trust with people, you got to trust them yes and interesting um. You know you gonna, captured.

At least for sure. The respect part is a low ha It's the Aloha Spirit of pay. You know what you're a little bit differently me, but it's all good will figured out and way of building relationships is so much better than you saying, hey look, I might be a woman. You may not think up here, but I am a exactly ten in the United States Army and you will like ok, luck with that. You never would have made any progress at all, none and and so taking a little little bit of Aloha, apparently with a little lunch as well goes a long way over time and and people want to be confrontational, beak It seems like well, it's these defensive. Thank your ego right when, when someone looks at you or doesn't look at you treat you like you're, not there, that's DEC a blow to your ego that your ego can't can't repressed it just has to come out. Your ego has to say you will look at me dammit. You know I am told see

Listen to me, you have to have an and all those things, even though it seems like it would be. You know this direct I just need to be directly them and tell them that I and it's like ok, I'm telling you that doubt that attitude doesn't work and look we're talking about a pretty serious cultural divide, but it happens with everything that happens if you and I are trying to figure out how to execute a mission, you think. We should do one way and I think we should do a different way, and I tell you what was told you that cuz you don't you ever done this kind of operation before, because you you haven't been in as long as me or because you don't you you with the OCS, and I went to West point. So therefore I know, but those things are wrong, All those things are gonna make it harder for us to come to a good at sure good the best possible decision, which is what we want. So put your ego and check bed add a little Aloha to that and then and we can actually make some progress and, and unfortunately you know it's kind of like when I started off talking about you know. If you have an idea about something, I have an idea about something and my my

default mode is to say you're freaking wrong. How we, I'm going to talk about it, how you can actually figure out what to do you stay on your side in Austria, my side and we won't do anything which is a frequent nightmare and that's where that's where I see the parallel in that experience with the Aloha that that I strived to bring every day to my work in Washington. As you start with, you know, finding that common ground Even with such incredible stark differences that that are real, you start with okay. What what is what is the common ground that we can stand on comfortably together, coupled with what is our shared objective? What is the thing that we are trying to complex and recognising that, whatever your personal feelings may be, however, strong, maybe maybe what your views are. Ultimately, if you can

some commonality in both those places. Then you recognise that it's not about you! It's about this shared goal and purpose that you have and then, like you, find way. You'll figure it out were against another thing. I've been talking a lot about Libya's if you- and I can a wind. We can come to a solution but we sometimes have to go pre high up the ladder of alignment to get to a point where it actually meet. So we have a mission and you want to attack the target from the left and I wanted to active target from the right. Well, that's that's Kay as long as we both know that we want to secure that target that we want to do and then all one of us has to put our EU and check for fifty Second insane, autopsy attacking from right sounds good. Let's do your work right cause want to get too. I just want to get the target secured. That's what I want to do. That's that's! Ok,

Where we also get into a promise agendas, now you have an agenda where you want Europe to do it. I want my button do so, then we to rise above those agendas. Now it's possible then our agendas that your agenda still lined with go. You wanna get the targets, your great. You want Europe to do it. You know what if I could but late one check for fifteen seconds. I know it sounds good. Tells you want you, take your Europe to take a lead in all support. You sounds good online. You get the mission, dot and people. around in circles and attack each other and worse They never make progress, they never make it to the target because they can't even they can't even coming any kind of agreement that that's that that sir exactly like one of the first things I was in use to as a new member of Congress, where I, The message was delivered very clearly from the leadership within the within the Democratic Party and so my Republicans went through some of the same stuff on their sides of this isn't about one party or another, but the message be

like hey look, this is about winning the election and if we're in hours about keeping powers if we are not empowered to, but how do we get it back? And so, if there's a bill, for example, that deals with what Well, let's say it deals with transportation, something about as universally agreed upon as you can get like. We need to move from a to B. All of us do so a bill on transportation, infrastructure and its introduced by a Republican you're. Don't support that bill you you should support one that could be virtually identical as long as there's democratic name at the top. That's leading that effort, because that will allow the democrat person and the Democratic Party, the two then take credit for it, which will then be put, brochure TV. Add that you can use the next campaign, which would get us closer to getting power or were maintaining

power- and this is where we want run into problems in the world- is when ultimately we're not aligned that's where the actual problem comes in is, if you, where you want to go. The target that you want to hit is not the same is the target that I wanna hit and we can't. We can become these problems because we are not going to the same place. They don't they know they're, not the same place. So how would you know We can be in two places at once. We want a Europe laser my place and that's what run into a problem when people are saying well, the me in point of us doing. This is to get power not to help American people not to move transportation in a good direction, but just we get reelected and if that's, what the goal was, we can't get aligned and it's a problem at the end. That is exactly where the lack of alignment exists, because you have a political in structure, where both political parties are ultimately- and this is not every single person

You look at the goals of the leadership of both parties. It is about power, so I served in Congress for eight years for the first half of my time their Republicans, were in charge. Democrats when minority and then Democrats, one and took over the House Democrats are in charge gives a minority, and you just see at play out where, whoever in power is trying to keep power, is not astronomy is trying to take it there is no alignment because they are looking out for their own interests for the parties and they are not ultimately making decisions about what legislation comes to the house floor or what shoes are being tackled based on what's in the best interests of the country, which is why that alignment must be an end. Its our system of governance. was set up that not that you have everybody is part of one party or marching in lockstep, or or having all of the same views, but instead

you bring the diverse we have different views, experiences backgrounds and ideas by having in the House of Representatives four hundred and thirty five people from all across the country, all elected by constituents in their district who can then bring their ideas? Were you have debate and conversation? You have bills that that, theoretically Goethe, committee, where you can offer amendments and try to strengthen whatever the proposal might be Orkut. But if it's a bad idea and then you ve got to vote on, floor, like this is civics one or one that we learn about in school it. It doesn't exist in reality, though, today because instead of figuring out how to weep work out our princes and come to that same goal of like how do we fix all of them? hot holes in our roads in Hawaii and all over the country ok. We need to invest in some infrastructure. How do we do that? How much money houses best gonna be executed instead,

and we saw this play out over. You know moon when Trump first unelected. I reporters asked me: what what do you think they'll see is the one thing. like the what's the low hanging fruit, where there were by partisan agreement and it is possible. I and most other people, said infrastructure. Every community needs it, every this is a domestic job. that actually salts real problems that need to be solved. It never happened. There was no infrastructure bill that even really came before Congress for any serious consideration, and why is like the most low hanging fruit that everybody agrees on that objective didn't happen because of part is indifferent as an unwillingness to say, ok, yeah, Democrat a certain idea and a certain dollar Mount Republicans had a different idea and a different dollar amount. There was never any real good faith, serious effort to say: ok, where can we meet in the metal? What am I will end give up. What are you willing to give up so that we can have?

we start to deliver on our fulfilling the needs, real needs that exist within our communities. No, you said not. Everyone is so entrenched, but what percentage of people are entrenched on the? than the right, I would say most I would say ass an end, not because their bad p necessarily, but if you look system that exists, the power that the political parties have is massive, and unfortunately there are too few people who go to Washington willing to buck

had power and deal with the consequences of that and the consequences being hey. If you don't, if you dont toe the party line, then if you ve got a tough challenge in your election campaign, we're not gonna help fund tv ads for you, for example, or knock and play resources to support you or. would pull you off the committee that that you're on that you really like or be we're not gonna. Consider your bill on. We won't allow your bill to come to the floor for a vote sometimes these are very direct statements that are maiden. Sometimes there there met signals that are sent, in an indirect way, and so the result of having too few people were willing to kind of stand up and end make disease It is based on purely based on merit versus the political pressures is. You end up having a lot of people who either,

enjoy and get right into playing the political games and are all about it, and then you have other people who maybe unwillingly or are even as they are disheartened but feel like they have no other option than to play the game, and so it you know and and frankly because they see, I see people like me, you know prison. Burma was present during which to tie came. I was sort of cars into them. Thirteen so his first four years, and then I had President Trump as president for the last four years. I was in Congress and in both cases you know if there is an issue that I agreed on those Obama Trop, I spoke out and said it There is an issue. I disagreed on Obama Trump I spoke out and set it, which is which is is, is kind of heresy in Washington, because the expectation

even if it's the same exact scenario, the same exact situation, if it's your person in the White House- and you don't like it, you don't say anything. But if it's the other party, then the world is gonna end, look at his terrible thing and it's such a blatant doublespeak. and so hypocritical, is one of the reasons why voters Regis I come on like can see what your doing so ridiculous exactly, but did you know they exist within this bubble. Where the the it's I mean it is it's empty, while this for this kind of like Highschool, there is a popularity contest and its both people. It it's this ecosystem, where people really care a whole lot about what parties there invited to or who answers answers their phone call. As far as now, you're just gonna point this out of her to talk about this before you,

saying like. Oh, it's like high school, where people care about what parties there are invited to you're saying actually are thinking. He didn't like me to that party, so we're going to step on her bill that she put for I'll. Give you an example of Aries and it is, it is literal it's not like you know it's not an analogy. It's it's literal there. There was. You know in the end, Ovid world and maybe even at the pre trump world. The White House correspondence dinner is like the big event of the year and it is hosted by them here for the media and you get invited. As a politician. If someone in the media invites you to go as as you, it's kind of like Washington, D C S, Oscars kind of gala type situation. So you know it's all of the fancies. Everything in Hollywood

celebrities vying for it, and it's it's like a it's a really big thing, and I remember you know I happen to get an invitation to go the first year. I was there without knowing anything about what it was now his talk in this my colleagues are like to see you I like this guide. My friend he's like I've, been here seven years and I've never been invited to that. Like hook a brother and it was so I it was so surreal to me, especially because having gone from that where I was invited to go to that or other things in the first two years, I was there and then you know I stop getting those invitations because like hold on a second she actually like challenging whatever the narrative is or challenging decision made within her own party or or saying, or doing things that didn't fall within the mainstream of popularity in Washington, D C and

I've I've experienced the arc of like ok. cool you, some kind of cool in, like you know your sir farrier better in your this year. That and then all of a sudden like away hold on you. Actually something to say: that's not just ever literally the emailed talking points are of the day, then you know turns into something else. What's what less reminded a little bit too, when you we ran so you get home from in in what two thousand nine you get home, two thousand and nine. I came back. Second deployment in two thousand nine and kind of a similar, pivotal decision point on on what to do next and just the first supplementary came back with the same kind of sense of purpose and mission of wanting to find it It would be in a position where I could buy could help. Phones, decisions or make decisions about our country's foreign policy and

our military and but didn't know exactly what or oh, I would do they didn't. There is no obvious choice at that time I had applied, for something called the White House Fellows Programme, which I thought I ve been a great opportunity where, basically, it's it's a highly competitive, he heard of it, but we are so This is highly competitive program that ultimately, if selected use for a year as Senor senior special assistant to a cabinet member or to the president, and the vice president. I'm sick of it in a jump in your way up to directly being able to help influence and impact issues so I had applied. That got through to the regional finals and then got through to the final final interviews switches. I think three days of assessment, essentially, which consists

of our total chaos soon it Louis is your right. There. You are being assessed by the judges. I think there were twelve judges and ultimately they would choose probably twelve people out of maybe then maybe there twenty of us there And so whether it was the the welcoming reception or these actual boards, essentially that that you would go individually and sit before there see no, I think, for different on boards of three judges you know do occur in a kind of thing and and then there was something that they gave us an act. Size were where all of us who were there. We had to pull names are positions out of a hat, and so I think the position I got was White House chief of staff. Someone else was the present someone else's device. President and then they say: ok, here's the scenario mazurkas, I like country access, just launched an attack on us and you have

You is convened a meeting in the situation. Room execute like you, ve got fifteen minutes to prepare and then you go and execute, and so roleplaying scenario, kind of war, gaming thing and arm and the judges are just standing there watching and just trying to figure out K one of the dynamics and in a word, the alpha and who's taking charge and is just like the wallflower sitting on the edge of how do you make decisions that process that can lose? It was a really cool experience. long story short and get picked up a lot of them. Thank you, doctor. I don't know. I really don't know. I sought out a couple. The judges that I had developed a little bit of a rapport with to come and get some feedback and and this was the thing like every step of the way people who were former White House Fellows, who had given me some mentorship on how to approach the process. Advances in some of the judges like they're like off your shoot. The like of you are exactly the kind of person that this programme was,

for an dumb and so I stupid He had started to believe. All of that- and you know, went through it and was careful and did my preparation and went into it. But you know in my mind I had already told myself, like you got this like you're in. And had not so well, I was I was writing the metro in D C, and I remember getting off at union station ask later and then my phone buzzed voicemail course I was waiting for the call and the voicemail said I tell see we regret to inform you that method and so forth, moment- I was dislike- I I was incredibly disappointed. Obviously, but then had to reset be like okay, so like that's off the table and ended up. I ended up yet I knew that I have is continuing to see what what what can I do and I ended up running for

we're getting elected to the Honolulu City Council and focusing on potholes, and you know, tracks Sewers and parks and law enforcement for two years until my former boss, Senator aka retire heard from the? U S, senator announced he was retiring and the one of the members of Congress said that she was gonna run for his seat, which left the vacancy in the house and dumb. Ultimately, that's that's where I made the decision. I made the decision to run knowing that specifically in the United States Congress, I would be exactly where I needed to be to try to influence and impact.

decisions. Was it a tough campaign of AIDS and incredibly tough, who we re going against? There were six people who ran in eight its strong democratic states so that the real election is the primary election and there were six people who were running in that democratic primary, but the main person who was kind assumed winner of the election. Even you, no nine months out from the election was a guy who had. Just run foreign lost a race for governor, but who, so the former mayor of of while the sitting County of Honolulu, and so you know just for some perspective. Our state has about one point: four million: population around nine hundred, eighty thousand of which live on a wall and the district that that we were running for Thursday

two members of Congress from Hawaii. One is kind of the urban representative that that has almost the whole South shore of Oahu, the urban, that kind of densely urban populated area and then the other member of Congress, which was the seat that I was running for has, the West side nor shore and a sight of Oahu and all of the neighbour islands and I came into this with. I think it was about two percent known name recognition in that districts, because my city, council district, was actually in the other. It was an urban part of oh, so there is an again no her in those districts and the guy the another front runner in the race. He had everybody in the state who he was. He also little bit baggage. That came with having just been the mayor and that's it

A whole other a whole other conversation by tat. So so the challenge was was pretty great: to go for home like three like three percent against the hundred percent, and somehow I had to try to cover that gap, and I just need our member meeting with with some some of the political. You know elders for lack of a better word in Hawaii and letting them know that people had relationships with letting him know that I was going to run and and why and getting a lot of patronizing responses back saying you know, tell seer. I think I was thirty at the time. Thirty one you're young, you have no chance against this guy. So, just you know, don't waste your time, and come back and try again and like twenty years, you'll be great in twenty years, but that other guy don't operate on that line fastened underwrite all pretty much pretty.

Where did you go super aggressive? How did you how the hell did you make up that kind of distance? First, I had to fund raising as a huge thing because I needed to be, but to have the resources to let people know I existed and who I am first of all, just my name period and then to let them know. In my experience in my background and why why was wanting to them in Congress, and so you know we started out. We start out just like putting signs up around the district and hoping that that would cause for people to save whose Chelsea Gabert. What what is this about? and on an end it was. It was a lot of time going in doing what what I called the most extensive job interview ever.

where I went travelled to each island and spent a lot of time in communities with individuals with groups, small groups, large groups, introducing myself to them and answering them questions and letting them know why I wanted to serve them in Congress. What kind of leadership I would bring, where I stood on on different issues that they cared about and ultimately what happened was fine, months before election day. My eye was pulling at twenty percent to the front runners sixty five and then the rest was split between the other people. lives like awesome. Progress for years could make exactly, and I I just continue deny I was. I was on the phone and I was asking people for support in raising money and then also out on the road. Just in seven days. A week, all day

and it was it was. It was an incredible incredible experience elect day comes around in August of twenty twelve and all the way up until about two weeks before the election. The go media and even some of the national coverage was just like this guy's disguise got it. I had from other people. He was already interviewing staff a few months before the election that he planned too high. Air. Once he won our debate, we had one big televised debate. We had a few others, but there is one big televised debate. I passed him in the hall right before the debate, and he was singing that song on black eyed peace, I think to night sky the good night ass? He looked back at me and I will. I will, as I have,

Told I killed it in the debate. And that was where a lot of people first started. Take notice like who is she and getting made, may have caught him by surprise, just little bit, but still like all the way up until about two weeks before it was like he's got it and then some of the poles started to shift and some of the local news they were like whole weight. I did this can be right. These pose can't be right cause. You can't see a big turn around. I ended up winning the primary election going from that twenty percent five months before to actually beating him by a twenty two percent margin on day and it was, it was people to people really good. Let us not allow people in DC, like the next day there, like ok, like what Scandal caused him to two allowed you to win essentially

What was the thing that you know that happen, and it was it was there was not it was literally, I think the difference between some one who felt they were entitled to the position because of a number of reasons and and me recognising what the position really is. Its position of trust and responsibility that is, is granted to you by the voters in the state and they are once who I'm accountable to and who I work for, and it was just ass. It was it was. It was a large local kind of two Cronkite anchor of our new station, has been doing it for ever longer than I am probably for about thirty or forty years.

She still on tv now he's a Vietnam veteran and that election night he was reporting the results and he actually started get choked up an and got a little got a little tearful because he understood why I was running, bringing that experience of service and and having been deployed and the significance of. That I was going to Congress not for myself, but that I was bringing my brothers and sisters and uniform with me and end it was I was. There was a heavy night it was in other parties and things going on, but I remember leaving the the hall that night on election night and Missis his walk out with man, Psych Tarsi, you know you're allowed to celebrate. You know your to be happy about this, but I was

just ass, I was immediately like ok, I'll write. These are the results. What do we waken up in doing tomorrow? What what's the next task, What do we have to do now in order to make sure that we we hit our next market and that some and that's kind of the the focus that I that I carried with me throughout. As you know, I'm not entitled to anything- and I am here only because the people and in my community in my home state, have trusted me too, to work for them into to be their voice in and out to represent them to the best of my ability, sober the hype of you winning rat and come being been underdog, champ role in the did that that kind of came to you to DC right. I mean that that type there's some hype train yeah policy I'm trying to say so. The tells you hide train shows up and you sort of you're viewed

I think, is actually Nancy policies called you. Rising star. We ass. He seemed to hear that a cat you didn't, although it doesn't get thrown around a term, does thrown around about political people, but you were are like a quote rising star in the Democratic Party, so you came with some hype yeah. I I I didn't fully understand why but yeah it was there I mean I had you know she. I was actually making up drill time with the national guard. After that primary election we're being my unit and she called my myself and I added I hadn't talked her before and she called cell phone and left a message and introduced herself in just said: hey, you know

have a democratic convention coming up in a few weeks? I would love to have you come and be one of the features speakers during prime time as oh and speak about veterans? Let me know if your interested and so again, like that's, not an opportunity that one gets one just been elected to Congress to go and speak to fifty thousand people in an arena and the whole country, yours the whole that everybody yeah and and so I mean I was grateful for the opportunity in When ten, damn it kind of yeah it, and then you know shortly after getting sworn in as a member of Congress, I was asked hey. Will you be vice chair of the Dnc and like what? What is vice chair do? What is what is actually that that you're asking me to do an end?

What what can I do as soldiers ask this week in weird right? This is all in each day kind of saw you. They saw a good horse to put money and it is our duty to look great snorri and they they want. to get some control over that hype, train and I think use be able to say hey. You know what you end up. There are me there if there are biographical boxes, that I checked a lot of boxes, for you know that the diversity with diversity, higher and and fino. For me, I'm I'm in oh just coming into each of these experiences can completely clear I did not getting googly I'd at all, like, oh, my god. They love me so much, but just recognising. Ok like what would What are you trying to use me for? Even what do you get out of this and then for me thinking: okay, like weighing pros and cons and sing

This is an opportunity that I can use to try to get some some good done, and if it is then ok that makes psych, maybe there's a mutually beneficial thing here and if there's not, then you know no thanks, but yeah. That's that's! That's where that's where things started to restart off. Like really awesome, yeah, hey you, ve got all the site. You ve got opportunities there. Looking at you as a potential kind of horse to put money into and invest into as longest can control you on the track, right that that's my friend, what point did you did? What was the first sort of time that you kind of box a little bit? Do you remember what it was? Absolutely it was my first year in Congress, and in the summer of twenty thirteen. Every year in Congress, and I dont know I think this made date back to pre, conditioning days. But every year

in August Congress goes into recess the hottest you're the month. It's The up DC is a literal actual like geographical swamp, and so you go you go back here. I thought you. You say you go back to your district, everybody in the House and the Senate eat it. There's a recess in August you go back door district and you get like four or five weeks at home or to go and do a congressional delegation trip to another country or whatever you said that space and time to do that I remember being home. and getting word that prison. Obama wanted to go and launch air strikes at a military attack in Syria, and I was thrown up guy my car one eye, so I started get alot of calls from constituents from people about them

mrs versus is very quickly developing. I don't have all the facts. Are information or intelligence or anything at that point, but some people were concerned, and I was I was still not gas one day in cop away and and woman who pulled up her car next me. She saw me there and she came and walked over and she grabbed my arm. She psyched Elsie and my kids in the military. Please don't do this because I don't understand what it's for. an end. There was a number of other kinds of messages coming from people just either passing total opposition or concern, and just coming out of, like you know, Iraq and just ever everything that had led to that kind of cynicism and and fatigue Ok, we go start another war in another country like what would they do to us

and so the recess time was cut short. I was on the Foreign Affairs Committee at that time and I was most the time I was in Congress, and so we got called back to DC early so that we could go through and get the intelligence briefings and actually get gas. are the information, and then that was when I first started to take on a deep dive into what was happening in Syria and why he was proposing this Ultimately, after go into the issue in the question and and really he was not going, come to Congress at first, but then enough, members of listen. You can't like the constitution does not allow you to unilaterally just start a war. You have to come and get congressional approval for that, and so that we were back and start to prepare for that that vote. That would open, and I just I came to the conclusion. After studying the fact that it would be a counter productive military action and much

came from him, we had hearings with secretary, then secretary of state carry and others at the time, we're trying to tell Congress like, or you know This is not going to be a pin prick strike, but it's not gonna. Be it. Competition, it's gonna, be a punch in the gut, and you know some my follow up. Questions were like the case a year, go and deliver a punch in the gut attack. How will they respond. ah you know we don't really know, but we don't need to be a big deal k who are their friends who are they gonna call for help? and how may they respond? How could this? actually escalate into something that is no longer a punch in the gut, but something that first, second, third, fourth order of affects their response will require response from us which require a response at all of you know that the tit for

that then begins once you go over and say I am not could you have here is a punch you in the gut and think that you're not gonna do anything in response and I just saw so many of the similarities of of a lack of foresight and strategic planning and for me again as military officer, basic level like military decision making process and actually thinking through these things. And I saw similarity like this could very easily become another kind of Iraq. situation where you start making these decisions and then there on the fly, and then you not realising our thinking through, what do we do tomorrow and then the next day and end. Where do we go from here. and also I wrote I wrote like union peace expressed

my opposition to the president- present Obama's proposal published it and was the first Democrat to do so to express opposition to his proposal and am very quickly gonna call the White House, basically saying how dare you who, in the White House it was the the first ladies chief of staff, and I still to this day scratch my head about why they her I knew and maybe that was simply the reason why, but I think that, on a matter like this, you wanna have maybe national scary director sumptuary, like I don't know somebody, but that was that was essentially the messages. How dare you know not only as a Democrat but because, like here from the press

Tom State. How could you? How could you so publicly disagree with him on something that should have been a while but the thing was Jacko is, is Nowhere in that conversation was the substance. Of the issue raised like hey. Here's, why? We think your opposition is misplaced, here's what you're not seeing or here's what nothing nothing at all you know I rode down while you're Talkin, what's up there's intent, and what are we trying to do here? Because if you can tell me what it is, what why we're gonna do what we're doing then we need to talk. bout, it more yeah that that's number one and the ito as you just put it. The reason why Why are we doing something? Why are we doing it and by the way- people all the time. If you work for me and we're doing

And you know why we're doing it? You raise your hand, and you say, hey Jocker, why the hell we do in this, and I say well, here's why and you say: will that doesn't make any sense neglect. Please explain that to me, then, can make a better decision, because if, if I get my team on board- and I must be- I must not be seeing something or I'm explaining my perspective well enough that they can go. Oh ya, gotta, Giacomo! Thank you. We now understand that day, this number one number two so when you fire off this article. Is that a good tactical move for you, In other words, you know, would it may may have been a better move to say, a lesson I need to talk to you. You tell your friends, the first? Ladies chief of staff? Listen, I want some clarification, I don't want you're crazy here, but look I just got back from Iraq a few years ago. It gets bad, it's ugly, we gotta make sure we know we're doing Can we have a further conversation, because

no one seems to be listening to me right now and it's a problem. I chose to take that public course of action. Because I had just gone through days of internal discussions, Q and a expression of concern and x essentially expressed all of those same points of opposition internally the members of the administration and saw that nothing was nothing was breaking through and that the answers they were delivering were pretty canned and set and that there was not route there there, not really an interest of a discussion or response like event, section, sank: hey, maybe we're missing something here, an end or maybe communicating clearly or you know,

there it was just like this- is it this is what we're done the. Why like why? What what are you trying to accomplish? Will we need to send a message to send a message and then what like? You can communications, a two way street. I can send you a message, but if, if I want that message to be effective, like I need to anticipate how you might respond and so there was. I chose the course of action that that I chose purely because I felt I had exhausted internal or may be kind of back channel means. Addressing those concerns seems like What did you also sort of. had already done an assessment to think like these people, don't listen, yeah, wasn't. This wasn't just have one day you decide, you know what that's it. I'm gonna fire off this article, it's a pre existing condition. That is when say. Hey. I got an issue with this. We get told, shut up, get get on board.

That's! What we're gonna do so you'd already experienced that yesterday movies this in this specific situation. It was not so there. Democrats who shared these concerned. Republicans who share these concerns that were raising these questions within the hearings, both both public and enclosed hearings. I saw it wasn't like hey. We expect everybody to like that. There was not a pressure coming for the democratic leadership. In this example saying a week, acting to toe the line on this and just support this, because its present Obama, So this was not that kind of situation. There are other examples of that, but yeah it just it. It was clear. It was clear that the man, If that was kind from the administration was was really it was kind of a one way communication and- and so I enough to know that when, when they're they're kind of locked

and loaded and in their position, the only thing that may cause them to change or to budge is public pressure and that, ultimately, what happened it it? The public pressure was by partisan and and and reached such a volume that they never even brought the vote to Congress because they knew it would be an abject failure and and the the the military action never happened. Mama got criticized for that, because I don't know do not remember, but he this was like this red line right like okay and he got back. we criticised by republicans- and I think some Democrats like how how dare you not For your own red line, I still do not think this was one of ultimately the final decision that he made. I it was there decision because.

Because of all the reasons that I felt it was the wrong decision to two did make in the first place, but also it forced him to take a diplomatic path to resolve the issue that you is trying to address, which, as you know, tape like. Maybe I should have been your first. First primary course of action. You dont pay yourself into a corner yap, exactly just like. Don't don't put yourself situation in a combat scenario. Where you can't maneuver. Don't do that? Don't don't put your you know, don't don't let your back against a cliff, were you can't go in here yes, don't don't don't do that's not a good move, not attack removed, not good strategic move this. This whole thing when I, when I ask these questions, one of the things that well you're gonna hear you just tell me you're reading about face right now. Well, the crux of about spoiler in about face hands up at the end of the Vietnam WAR, which not the end of my marks, the end of his Vietnam war. He goes and gets interviewed and says we're gonna lose if we don't change the way were fighting and if He gets drummed out of the army and a matter of months. You know it's all bad

in. The question that I was kind of consider is well if he would have kept. His mouth shut, how'd, you know he would have had a brigade, he would have had a division. He would have the influence of all many many more soldiers and my more strategy and an could have perhaps steered the worn, a better direction if he would have played the game more now, there's national component to it, which is, completely understandable, which is that hack worth absolutely love the army and he loved his soldiers, and he was seen soldiers get killed and wounded every single day and he got to a point where he did. It was unacceptable to him. We had a similar thing You know that you- and I were talking about with general matters and at what point, the inner, if general matters whose highly respected and just smart and and and.

Resolute in his beliefs and and of unflappable It was really nice when he got appointed. I was so happy, I'm like ok, we got some sanity goin on here we got somebody, that's that's rational, right, very rational guy and its at, one point: it's over. and then you wonder. Okay, I look, I know it's socks and I know you didn't like it, but don't you have more influence when you're sitting in the sea That's it! That's it. That's an issue that people Leaders have to deal with on all different levels in I talk about a lot in leadership, trudging taxes, not law, but I read a section about down with you boss and you tell me her job what you do this mission here and I say I don't think it's a good mission, and I think you know Gonna cost casualties around think it's got a good strategic objective and you say I jacko you what I told you I say but hey you know It doesn't seem like a good plan to me and you say hijackers shot up into. now I can draw a line in the sand and say I'm not going

do. And then what do you do you fire me, you put echoing charge neck of us DE goes, and does it because he's just a yes man so, I've given up all my influence at that point, which is not good. there's a scene in band of brothers, Dick winners. Who gets ordered to do. Reconnaissance is the end of the war in Gaza. Normally think that's a good idea. The colonel says shut up he goes. Ok, he goes and does it there, the guy killed. They come back the next night, bonuses and want to do another recon tomorrow night and Dick Winner says I don't think that's a good idea. The wars almost over. We lost a guy yesterday and he was shot up into it here. Roger that Sir, and they go to a basement, they drink wine, we're just gonna recon. We don't say anything, ok, good! You know he. he went along with it, but he still had some control and this is hard thing in its it's interesting to hear your perspective of you know at some point you make a stand and

That's where you decided to make a stand, and obviously you lose some in forts after you did that you lost something? Oh, I don't know how many invites you got to those dinners that it's probably not done so give up some influence. But at the same time, you're you're you're, holding the line on what you believe in and at some point you to do that, I mean at some point you go look to see. Look here. You want me to this mission. It's a bad idea. We shouldn't do it and if you got to fire me fire me and maybe that's me just trying to send a message of- maybe you say: oh geez, jocose really sure I must really have a bad. I must really have a ban respect for what I'm trying to get this got to do is he's never said no to me, and now we say no to me, are Khatami reasons again and now we have a conversation, tough, tough. Those are tough things for leaders to do here and there and their if, if you

I would say this is especially true in politics, but I think it probably applicable across the board is, if you know what you trying to accomplish. Ultimately, what's the greater goal and your goal, is not about self preservation. If your goal is not selfishly motivated, but instead you know How can I serve this? This greater purpose that you're obviously there to do then able to more on motionlessly and clearly assess ok here, I've got three d options here? Here is where this one here's where that leads. Here's where that leads and assess ok, you know what what really ultimate. What is going to help me get help help get me closer to that thing that I am trying to accomplish, and I've I've I've

There are many many generations of us as I've made different decisions that had very serious political consequences and that especially the ones were were very often the unpopular decision that people can scratched her head like would what is wrong with her like she's she's she's, going doing things that nobody does she's going and saying things that nobody will say. Is she crazy just stupid or what. But, if you take a step back, you know really. Who am I accountable to and what is my purpose If my purpose is to be a part of the EU to seek the approve full of of the elite in Washington, then I would have made completely different decisions completely from this. From the Gatt GO and I would have done very different things, but if my

accountability is too at and it is an and has been to the people who elected me to serve my accountability is to our brothers and sisters and uniform both of those who continue to serve those who laid down the uniform and those who have paid the ultimate price, and I am making my decisions through different lens and a different context. Then, folks are used to in Washington, and it's not to say, like hey, I'm just going gangbusters nominate go run through a frickin brick wall, no matter what the consequences it it. It is being clear, eyed about ok here here, the pure the potential ramifications to this, sometimes they are known, and sometimes they are an unknown factor, but ultimately these major decision points that I have come across, do the right thing. If you don't if you dont know when you're not sure, and all these at like ultimately do the right thing, because

It's the right thing and he then even as you may get you know the other, the political fire. Or the negative consequences. Are these other things like, ultimately whether it takes a little time it takes a long time doing the right thing is always right thing, and I am you know, I'm I'm able to know that wherever my path goes, I've I've done my best to make that best decision when faced with hard right, easy wrong. the artist to tell my guys if you do things right reasons We will win the exact. So if we're doing the right thing right reasons will win in the end. Now what s interesting about this? As you know, you. on certain occasions. To some extent you didn't play the game right

as you just said, you you play the game sometimes and you did, which had to do and from those relationships, and sometimes you didn't play the game and this is what interesting, and that is where the futures unknown. Where does that leave? If you are doing the right things for the right reasons, which you were ultimately when, in the long run with one another, looks like yet right now at some point I know it's like a big gamble right, because could paint an entire two entirely different picture of toll, see that went to Washington played the game, said the right things, vote the right votes, nodded the head and being a different spot than you are right now, you'd, be you potentially mean from your trajectory. When you look at you in two thousand and two as and when you shut up two thousand offer when you shut up in two thousand twelve year, trajectory was steep and, like you said check the various boxes that needed to be checked

and if you were to play the game that whole time you could be in a position where you know you could be President right now. You can be present right now having conformed to what you were being told to do now We don't know where this actually ends up right, because its that's took too, Twenty. We don't know where this ends up. Maybe people we listen to this in turn, thirty nine or whatever you call it. I didn't write these. Are I reasoned and look at how it turned out that could potentially happen, but, of course you know about a bunch of other things up to, but its it. something that we have to stop, with as leaders doing if, but if I still believe, as I tell people this all the time, if you do not thanks to the right reasons, you're going to win in the end. In the end, you are going to win, it might take years it might take. I guess it could decades when you're talking about this, these types of decisions, but The other component of this is which I think they might

just just from sitting here, looking at you if you're talking about this you every day have to look yourself in the mirror and at a certain point you say: I'm not gonna. Do that again Look there's. I always tell people play the long to play the long game. Think strategic. I tell people of, I would say when people ask me: mom got some situation at work in my boss. Homely do this all the time I give the universal play the game. Otto want me to do this paperwork and she's been yelling at me to do it the aid. It doesn't make any sense for me to use paperwork. I target, but that's an assortment. Yet do they Bork play the game, build. A good relationship. Autocracy can actually talk to in the future and explain why that paperwork doesn't make sense. Play the game till you get to a point where you gotta look shelf in the mirror, and you can't.

and then you're not doing the right thing and you're not doing it for the right reasons, and you gotta make a different decision yeah. I am that that's exactly right- and in order to do that, its being able to have lost your foundation in your handedness so that you have the ability to be introspective and to know What actually matters versus the things that that they don't really matter which help you determine you know which battles am I going to pick to fight and also what- what it, what is winning, how do you define winning? Is it? Is it a specific title, or is it a specific position or when you say, do the right things for the right reasons and at some point in time, sooner or later, you're gonna win.

For me in my case that that's, that is a hundred percent. True, I think what men made, maybe is not obvious to people, is. winning is not becoming President United States winning is not becoming a United States, Senator or a member of Congress or an ambassador, whatever pink pick, the job, picnic happy job. You have a different perspective than most people in Washington who live their lives from college, to try to strategic plan their lives to get these jobs you, except for the fact that you know winning You know, look if you're the present. You have a massive b of the most amount of influence that you could pass behalf. to tell that to these young seal officers, it's like oh, You gonna kiss ass to get promoted. Well, if kiss ass quote to get

Well, guess what you can take it better care, your troops, that which is why you're here right? That's why we're here did too here of our team builder cops the mission. So sometimes it's like There are those those are aligned winning when I'm a plus commander instead of a key five inopportune. I have more influence over that situation, so I can do a better job of the mission. I can do a of job attacking the enemy and I can do a better job of taking care. The guys that work for me, that's all, Good and you know, I had to sit through some meetings are headed, not my head and how to support my. What commanding officer my master chief, when they told me to do. Somebody may quite makes sense, but I did it. Why not so I could get promoted. That's the big difference now so I could get promoted. I never did. It was. You know for me it was such a it may. career so much easier, because I never was worried about getting promoted. I never cared if I got promoted and it actually helps.

need help because I'll do the right things very reasons in my boss, ruler, communes, anarchy, and this guy cares about the guys you want to get the mission. Don't let's get him promoted, I wasn't doing it to get promoted it just gonna happen. You're doing right things, the right reasons, its others, a weird dichotomy there, no winning isn't necessarily getting promoted or becoming the present or whatever the case may be, but if looking to have the most amount of influence that take care of your people and your troops in your country, nor nation, that's really good spot to be in and that that the order of that, I think, is the most important thing, because too often in politics, people get so attached to the position or the title and their right their entire. density is wrapped around that, whether they have it or it is their ambition to achieve that position or title that they forget that the real goal is being in a position of impact and influence. Where can serve and make that positive impact and that's for me, even from when I ran for state house through the different

legal positions that I've had like. I had no issue and no qualms about walking away from what was being in Ngos the beginning of sir Would say would be an illustrious political career as a twenty one year old elected the state house. When it came, Our decision point are you. Gonna stay or you gonna go. I went because I wasn't losing anything in people how you're gonna give up this political career. You ve only just begun, I'm not giving up anything. I only choosing at this point to serve in a different way, and I think that's when we look at when I've thought about ok? Well, you know for winning win. Is being in that position of impact and influence and and maybe at some point it does take that forward of you know serving an elected office in a high position where I can execute on that or me it takes a different former different shape. You know for the time being refer,

for whatever it is it states that the order of that Focused, ok did this is the goal The position and the platform. that I may have at a different point in time to accomplish that gold doesn't change the goal. Did. You underestimate the power of the swamp. Maybe a little bit but. I think. Even I would say yeah I mean that the power of the political infrastructure and the party system and how much money in you know that there are limits like that. If I'm If, when I ran for present, ran for Congress, there are limits like if you wanted to make a political contribution to me. You know the limit changes every election bullets, two thousand dollars? That's all you can give.

there's no there's no real limit to what you can give to either political party. So if you want to read it to mind our check, you could do that no problem, and so, if you look at the the balance of power that gives the political parties a heck of a lot of power to To leverage over six candidate a specific and combat. and to use as using the power place that are used. That that was something that that some I came in and I think Was- was unexpected so just to clarify this, I can give two thousand dollars to tall see for Congress site, but I can give two million dollars to the Democrats. There are two hundred million or whatever the up and therefore the He has that money, yes and now, condole it out to the people letter playing ball with prayer programmes that are playing the game.

And it's a little surprising He was a little sprite yeah that how much control they had an end. Seeing at play out early on the house floor when votes her votes happening all that about don't happen it like hey. Why is this member of Congress? I heard here she is thinking of voting with Republicans winning find em and talk to them and get him one and they say and their actual jobs I gotta, do you? Have you seen house of Cards the Mona LISA near fine, don't worry about it, but but its featured in this show house of cards the main character starts out he's a member of Congress and he is the whip and that the position is literally called the whip and that's their job. Is they whip votes

and so, if somebody's survivor you- and I say I told you- I know you're kind of wavering on this vote, but it looks like you gotta tough race, common up there in Hawaii could use them your tv advertisement, don't you think. It's like that, like one hundred thousand that's out as a kind of or that's how it works. Nor is it not twice the average. Sometimes it can be very direct like that. I agree that this is so this is, I think that that I not personally directly been the target of because they knew pop partially, because I I got elected without any help from the Democratic Party locally or nationally, Then there is no fundraising help. There was no hey we're gonna pushy being out. It was a prime election and generally they dont get involved in primary elections. It's not it's not a rule that always followed, but in my case it was and because

such a strong democratic state. Generally, though, use their resources to help. Democrats get elected or reelected in swing. Districts are unreliable districts. If there I got to see you good, like we're, gonna worry about you in my then that also means there's no leverage from them, but I have friends who have served with who are in those positions where you know a re election in the congressional race, like they ve got a raised. Ten million twenty million box witches. You know my erase, I think I raised I raised about our no little over a million dollars, for them. There is a lot of leverage and its used, it certainly used to to try to get you as a member of Congress to do what the what is best for the party rather than what you believe is the right thing to do. Based on your conscience and based on how you feel you can best serve the european structures. The percentage that their able to wield

that sledge hammer effectively like how much control I mean it's, it's it's pervasive, And so that that's one example is hey. You ve got your ear, always ain't got a tough reelection or or a tough re, Sir tough challenger, whatever That's one approach and the other approaches. People who are interested in climbing the the ladder and so you will either have a cherry opportunity placed before you or maybe you won't have that opportunity. ended or it'll be taken away. So you know it's kind of like you, know, they'll, look at ok. What does this person want and what they need, How can we use that as a motivator d? Try to get them to do what we want them to do so the imbalance that needs to be corrected in our ports? a system where this idea of hay any you can go and run for Congress, and I

that my member of Congress is always gonna go and act in my best interest. As a voter has fortunately become so twisted into this thing. That is about one party versus the other party, and it's always about the next election and how they can battle and who is gonna, win raw. there, then, How do we work together and actually solve problems and pass meaningful legislation? And I you know I- again early on in I've there were. There were some Republicans Obama care right. Usually divisive issue politically. That's been weapon ized by both sides, issue of health care and there were some republican we found like hey here's some easy fixes. This is this was was elected and twenty twelve Obamacare was passed in twenty, ten and so on. Now there are some Democrats, Republicans restarted the hake. I puts the sphere, we can do together like what this is, here in Congress is why we are here

and there were some easy kind of simple common sense corrections that we could make it through legislation to this bill that that no brainer like not not controversial at all common sense. No brainer, exact, ok, sounds good. If I like how bout work out turns out that both parties, leadership indirectly, expressed opposition to this idea and what we were talking about doing on the democratic side, because it would require that they would have to admit that the bill had some flaws, that needed fixing and on the Republicans, I'd opposed to it, because if you fix it, my care, then what are you run against? What do you criticise the other side for if you actually fix it, in a way that it it helps people and if people start to lie,

get than you can't raise money off of it and you can't weapon eyes it for political purposes, and that's that that was twenty thirteen and unfortunately, here we are in twenty twenty one and It has only progressively escalated and gotten far worse far device it to the point where, as we sit here today, you have the speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi referring to Republicans as quota quote the enemy within the enemy within and the implications of that, like the actual legitimate implications of that were as when you make them, statement that you do not trust people from the airport party. Broadly she's, not saying hey this one person I feel, is a threat to, our security and needs to be reported allowed for that's a different story. If that, if that were the case, we have

systems than our government. To do that. If you think a member of Congress poses security threat to their colleagues report it to law enforcement. Do it, but throw this out in a public setting. I think it was in a press conference said that that that day, the enemy within and other Democrats angle, feel safe around my republican colleagues What you are saying is that if any member at any Democrat goes and tries to have conversation with our reach out to or work with, a Republican, they are working with the enemy. They are collaborating with the enemy they are now traders to who to the country. To Democrats. Where does that then lead and how is there any past? the ability of healing and unifying

and reaching out to get past the flam, a tory divisive state that we are in. Ok, so you had better, I for one would. It seems like Why? I didn't frank: every move that you made, but certainly one of the- if not at least from what I know that biggest kind of move that you made that was outside the system is when you went against Hilary in two thousand, and sixteen for for president, is that that was at the straw that broke the camel's back one now. If you think that

and that was one of those that was one of those big decision points that I had where I couldn't. I couldn't map out what the actual consequences to that decision would be. so you knew I knew it I knew now. I knew I obviously knew it was. It was a serious decision that would have serious implications, but exactly what those implications would be. I didn't I didn't know I had different poet, we'll advisers and people who, who knew Washington and who knew me giving me very serious warning and just saying what policy this could be. The end of the political road for you potentially so just know that before you make this decision and unjust, just a up a little bit? Why the back story that Add to my making that decision was. I was still vice chair of the Dnc at that point, and

an officer of the deep sea rules say you have to be neutral in a primary election that the decencies rule is to make sure that the primary election process is executed in a fair and a fair way, so that voters have the opportunity to make their decision. On who they would like to be the democratic nominee to become the press, United States and so that we might like. Ok, I'm you make sure that I fulfil that responsibility and make sure that our democratic process works, not in this primary, and I had no plans to get involved in the race at all and there there are. A number of you knows this Wasn't the reason why alternately made the decision, but there were a number of issues that started to sent themselves, in seeing that the chair of the Dnc that time making unilateral decisions about how the primary process would work that made

very clear that it would not be fair or neutral and that those the process. Decisions that were being made would favour Hillary Clinton over any other candidate and I and other officers of the Dnc expressed privately and then our concerns and opposition aid to the fact like hey. I like we're off so the Dnc you're asking us to attach our the decision that you as the chair made, but we had absolutely no discussion or input to whatsoever and I'm not comfortable doing that and then, when sitting there is no, it was kind of like okay. No, like I don't care, I don't care. The decision has been made and and that's it and then airing some of those concerns publicly for the purpose of trying to bring some accountability and transparency to the process and just to just two too balls one was dumb, limiting the initial decision that that the chairman made or the chairwoman made was there would only be six debates in the primary election.

And to me that was ridiculous, like there has never been so few debates ever, and why why that number of debates mattered was because of the second decision that was made, which was if any candidate participated in a knot Dnc, sanctioned debate or forum. They would be banned from participating in any future. Dnc debate should be punished, for actually seeking out opportunities to talk to voters, Both of those decision seems pretty undemocratic to me well standing here saying hey. We want. We want high voter, Now we want people to engage in the process. We want people to engage with the candidates, but rolling and allow six debates, and if they do any debate or forum, that's not one of our six, then they won't be able to come and play with us at all. Because Hilary had such good name recognition. Every one of these debates would be an opportunity for someone else to get more rename recognition

and challenge her track record on me. Actually, God forbid, have a real dialogue in conversation and Anna, compare and contrast for voters on each of you know. I mean Obviously Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton were kind of the two primary Canada, but there are few others who were still running at that time: Martineau value as one who is the governor, Maryland and so that that was kind of already happening, but ultimately, as as this process started to to begin, I saw how Lee and these limited debate settings how little attention was being focused by the Democratic Party as well as their their corporate media partners on foreign policy and on the the qualifications

that voters may look for in a commander in chief and what that responsibility meant, it was just not. It was in other talk about a bunch of other things, most most things that to me like superficial political drama theatre, like not issues that really matter to whole lot. When you look at the implications people's everyday lives, but as soldier. Obviously, for me like this is the most or it's not as a soldier. The most important what's ability that that any president has a disservice commander. In chief, our constitution, very clear, like I can have all the economic positions I want, and positions on education and positions on health care. As president, I can't do anything of great Aunt Robert, without working with Congress, and that's me that that's the way it's it's the check and balance that are out Our founders had in mind for us, which is a good thing, but there's

one commander in chief and it. Ultimately drove to resign, as vice chair of the deep sea and and endorse Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton, beak because I saw a huge gap, indifference contrast between the two of them end in Hilary cleanse very The interventionist kind of war hawk warmonger track record, both as turkey and and as you, a senator versus Bernie Sanders who, through This time in service had proven to have more of a non interventionist. leaning and be a little bit more critical and questioning of any rush to war.

Up on a whole host of other issues. I didn't in a brain, I agree or disagree on on a number of other issues, but this was the singular issue that I made my decision on too to resign, as vice chair of the Dnc and and Bernie Sanders so that I would have a platform to start to push to be a voice to push this question and to challenge them media and to bring to voters here's the differences between two major candidates in this primary you get to decide what kind of commander in chief you want, and so That was seen how I announced that decision on. Sunday Show meet the press therein. Washington went to the studio, didn't tell em really what I was there to announce. It was in our I intentionally kept this to my self very, very close, hold no

how incestuous the relationships are between politicians and the media and attempts to try to undermine my ability to deliver my message for myself, and so there are probably like two people in my life. I knew what I was gonna do went live television Sunday morning shared my decision. I am then not my phone so ran off the hook, literally I'm in the car role and away from the studio. but the most stark responds I got was and they ranged from like tolls That was a brave and righteous decision like you exactly another was on Sunday and then I think it was either Monday Tuesday. We had votes and went back into session in Congress and and on both democratic

and republican colleagues of mine were kind of coming up and patting Rihanna. The hack say that, like nice, knowing you- have a good after life and even even some Democrats who who had like endorsed bomb over Hilary in two thousand eight early like from the beginning and whose like hey like I I made that decision, and I was on the Clinton Shitless for years before I was able to dig myself out of it and tell see. Don't you know, That she's gonna win an ear. to be on the list and the is the list and what that means in a Arctic away, is you don't get your bill signed into law? You don't get funding for the things that you need or that your constituents need in your district and that your efforts, the reason why you are here and the efforts that you are putting forward will be will be blocked.

and your rendering yourself ineffective, because she will be president and that was that was the one in ten response, basically are politically dead. You you knew that right yeah. I, like my own level, I knew I was when I was like I chuckled. As people told me this I was there was nothing. There was nothing that I heard the morning after that. Did that surprised me? I knew there really kind of you're like a bad ass when you walked in the Congress on Monday, you cried out. I've met not better order of your, neither neither I was I was. I was amused at like that. Rushed air for real virility area, no joke and like the sideways glances like is it ok?

go and talk to her now or not and like I don't wanna, be you know like thought to be. part of whatever she's. Do it like. I don't know like there's all these different things and how Bob fact that now, like whoever told hey now. All the things you can try to do are going to get squashed you're not going to make any progress here, that's a real thing, and so again going back to this strategic decision making if you're trying to take here, you're continue constituents and you make the but worst enemy that you can have in DC? That's not good well what what what ended up happening. Obviously as she did not win the election and some of those very same people who remain good friends of mine who, being honest with me then saying your politically finished then can back to me later and said well, turns out.

you saw something that nobody else saw at that time. So you know kudos to you for standing up for your principles in what you believe in and listening to both your heart, but also igniting where people in the country are Rather than listening to the echo chamber within Washington and yeah so at that point you got a little cloud back, yeah yeah but it's all it's all. Now I have the beholder really I mean they're there are their leaders unquestionable that a lot of the the challenge is that I, but I face I was running for president- can be traced back to that.

original sin, and just how deep unites us is that their there were certainly ramifications, but also it was when I had the opportunity to raise the issues that I ran for Congress to raise and to bring them to the forefront in to get conversation starting about in other issues. war and peace and war and do what is it to send our troops into battle and end what questions Ruby asking as leaders in this country before we make that decision and good night like I'm, not a pacifist, I'm not a piece neck. I I care dedicated my adult life to that that Sir to protecting our national security, the safety of the american people. I am just pushing to make sure that we have leaders- and

country who recognise the seriousness of of of life and death of war and peace and when war may be actually necessary and warranted and knowing that our troops have volunteered to go. knowing that that may mean a sacrificing of them lives and all of the sacrifices that our loved ones and families make and don't think twice about? That's what we sign up for to serve our country, but also knowing that sometimes the tougher decision to make is to not go to war. The harder decision may be recognising that even as there may be,

problem, though, that we want to solve in the world that sometimes it it requires more strength and courage to recognise a problem. We can't solve, be it trying to do so. would not serve our national security interests or the or the interests of of the american people and therefore recognising that the right answer may be to do not do anything. So, sir, really that's the other party. Strategic move is strategically, is gonna, make you harder and it can make your job harder in some respects after you exe this move on on Hilary, but at the same It's gonna bring these important issues to light so strategically it there's at an advantage and dissident Yes- and you wait a mountain said- you know what, if I bring these subjects

No one is going to do it. I could not. I could not I was not okay, with sitting on the sidelines and watch this. Every presidential election is important, there is not a single why every area this is the most important election of our lifetimes. Every single one is important and I could not live. With myself. If I had chose and to sit on the sidelines and let this whole play out without doing my very best to insert these most important questions and issues and contrasting of records into the dialogue and conversations so that voters we have the ability to make the best informed decision possible So then, you decide here in IRAN but when one is that that's what when do you figure that out

When do you figure out when you said yourself, you know what I need to run for president, the the event that triggered The event that ultimately led to my making that decision was, the happened in January of twenty eight team, and it was I'm sure you remember this echo, but it was I went on a Saturday morning. We got a text. Sent out every cell phone in the state, civil defence alarms sounding sang Missile in coming to. Hawaii seek immediate shelter. This is not a drill and the

aftermath of that where immediately we're thinking like I've, I've been working there, you related to North Korea for a very long time for obvious reasons that North Korea is continuing to develop their nuclear capabilities there developing their intercontinental ballistic missile range capabilities, miniaturized nuclear warheads- that that not only could reach what you but could reach a significant portion of the mainland. At that time and twenty a teen now they have continued to develop that they can reach anywhere in the country. But this The scenario that's playing out get this message: North Korea's is sending a nuclear, so to us, which means we have fifteen minutes to live I was in DC when this happened of my loved ones. My family, everyone is in Hawaii and.

What happened there was ab but we terrifying where in other, There is a video that came out after was an Iphone video that that this this father took as lowered his little eight year old, girl ash biting. She was about eight years old down a manhole telling her that this is the only place you'll be safe and with the camera sang like. If, if I don't make it, you know, at least I want you to be okay. There are countless countless stories of people that I heard from after this event happened about about what they want, and in other there's a guy who he had like he had one of his kids. That was in town, another kid that was on the west side of the island and in, and why- and I am

He was somewhere in the middle and in that moment, got that message trying to decide which it might and drive to town or drive to wine, I, which of my kids, am I gonna, try to get too to spend those last minute of my life with others gone in the bathtub like seek, shall seek immediate shelter. Everyone's look: where do I go friend of mine, is got like a tunnel it's on six or seven kids, he just drive into the mountains like I, just gotta go find a cave somewhere and but but there is no shelter, there's no shelter and she got this fancy alert system and like ok, it's blasting out seeking shelter there is. There is no shelter what what it up happening in those minutes that followed for me, as soon as I got that notification on my phone I'm in d c I like the holy shit. What is happening, I need to figure out what's up,

nothing, and so I started like going through. Ok, I know that I can problem try to reach and opaque hum like command, so I dont have they done. bring cell phones and the buildings so that the problem I ended up. The first person I called was our state aid in general, who I knew If some was happening, he was gonna, be at that civil defence command and he would obviously know- and so I call them I know what's going on here is also my Lawson and the National Guard. So you know do dual hat dual headed there, but I called him and I said: what's going on and very quickly, he said it's a false alarm as it I'm gonna put this. Publicly you're telling me this is a false alarm. Any said somebody pushed the wrong button false alarm, so there's no missile korean no missile covenant,

So I immediately hung up with him typed out a tweet in big black letters. This is a false alarm. I have confirmed with the authorities, there is no missile in coming and that treat was the first black notification that went out that let people know what was going on, but you know I just I was on the cause. I was calling new stations, radio stations. You know Work on me- and I just literally I'll just like false alarm click false alarm clock just trying to get. Let people know going on and there's a whole other like incompetence thing like there was no official notification to the public coming from the state government until thirty, eight minutes after that, initial alert was sent now, sir, there was a whole other issue, but the thing that led me ultimately to make that suit like to start thinking about, I need to run for president, is because of war. Everyone went through in realising that you can have this fancy alert system and I'm sure the

an urgent and other people are all bunker down somewhere safe, but there's safety or shelter for anyone else, and ultimately the fact that. people. The fact that this is a real threat that exists there are others that politicians have created or escalated through political rhetoric of of heightening tensions with nuclear countries of of spurring. nuclear arms race. And knowing like. Ok, you know, you damn sure, there's probably some some mechanism or system in place to protect them and their families, but what about everybody else in the country? all who I mean it,

nuclear war ends and uttered complete destruction of the war ultimately- and having gone through what we went through. I wanted to be in a position to do two things by running for president, I could raise this issue and bring it to the forefront because nobody was talking about. It may be there the day of of of CNN coverage or whatever on what happened in Hawaii, but then it was, it was completely dropped and forgotten. There was no like hold on a second, so wait. North Korea has these capabilities, continually increasing this, That is real. There is no shelter like if we get attack, then it's kind of its game over what what being done about this by the leaders and that none of that happened at all in the aftermath of something that was Dino terrifying. And in such a real way, and so

to be able to address these issues and end the existential threat that we face. That comes from that continued advancement towards that the brink of nuclear war that that that we're on if elected, to be in a position as commander in chief to begin to walk us back away from that brink and to actually do something about it to de escalate. These tensions actually work through the kinds of negotiations and Cities that previous president's, like you re again and J F K, did when they recognize The seriousness of what happens when you when you are in a cold war and when you have nuclear armed countries who either intentionally or accidentally can spark a nuclear war that would would result in the end of of humanity. on this planet and

that was. That was the driver for me to make that decision to run, and unfortunately, I very quickly found out that neither the media nor the politicians were interested in talking about it or any thing that really mattered, that it was. It was about whose saying add things about who which candidate is. You know who school, whose like a ball whose all of these superficial things, but There was on the debate stage when I read These issues or in interviews with her borders one on one or

I talked about. I talked obviously talked about these issues every day, multiple times day, town hall, meetings that reporters covered are or were present for, at least with the intent to cover what happened There was no interest in in in talking about this specific issue about the existential threat of nuclear war. what how we got here and where we need to go to prevent it. What to speak of of other issues and in that was that was the most frustrating. Those most frustrating thing about about running for president was the realisation that, even as a candidate for president I'd states, the ability to bring. Such an issue as serious as this to the american people was so easily squashed by the corporate entertainment media and the politicians who benefit from them.

corporate entertainment media, now, that's it that's a good name for the news, it's more accurate than lose. You said you realized very quickly that we wanted to hear about this stuff like when you say very quickly. How long did it take before he looked round at said, wait a second because I remember hearing about you I mean maybe was on Rogan. I refer you, but I remember thinking. Oh you know that's cool and it seemed to me. While what am I While one of what a viable candidate that's interesting, and I remember seeing some polling and you rat, like two percent and I said well, that's kind of weird- that's not a very big number at all. I was. surprised, and then Maybe that was early on. But at some point I you know you are on Rogan again or I saw you in a debate or something and I the girl who, let me check out again, she got thirty or forty percent now because

the people that I know what kind of talk about her and I'd look and you'd be. Two percent it was very strange to me that you couldn't did you do you're, getting any traction I weird to you you did the whole Hawaii thing. We were at two percent, genuine twenty and one by twenty two and hear you at two percent you I got no factor. I got this video done that I won't point: did you say them a little harder than I thought it was going to be at the same realisation as the he doesn't than media and the news in the entertainment networks dont care about this stuff. The way I do. there there were different signs of that, the first of which started on

The very day that I announced officially announced my candidacy as in build the events go up on the stage deliver this speech. Announcing my candidacy, and why- and I I talked about the very thing that we talked about as we raise your driver in Hawaii? What was it out? What with outside it was it was outside in in Waikiki, and ah there were local and national media cameras there to cover it. And in a bunch, supporters and people came out While I was giving the speech and we see news put out an article b. Sickly, making the accusation that I am I am How a favourite of the Russians are being helped by the Russians

talking there saying nice things I ve. No, it was. The article is so vague and base us and lacking in any kind of evidence to back up the claim that they were making that Just it was just so out there and an eye I knew we're doing an article cause. They had called and asked for a comment like a few days prior had said you know without no. extensive like this, that the completeness of article, but hey? No, what would you think about this and I M An and they had said okay, I we're gonna published article play some time next week, maybe Wednesday or Thursday, and I think I think that my announcement was on a Saturday whatever day it was they changed their schedule for one gonna published article so that it came out on the day that they knew I'd, be announcing. My candidacy. and in their thing is like the rush

like toll, see that's the that's the general and you know like Russian bought, Sir, like Dino Russian State sponsored media. The thing was is- and I think they are throwing? There are a lot of articles that are proving that the Russians like her, something like that. But when you actually go in and look at look at the because they're citing it's, it's not accurate furs of all and second of all, it lacks the context of why a k, There are actually just reporting that she's announced that she's running for president? or lie. The context of well when Hilary and Obama ran against each other and two thousand eight The russian media reported much more favourably for Obama than Hilary, and so They chose a narrative and chose to launch

on day, one of my candidacy that tells you would be the the russian asset or the favorite of the Russians and planted that seed on day one. You know, sir. Oh, you know she's gotten donations from per campaign from people who favour rush. You know what happened to be like Ivy League professor specializes in in policy and is talked about nuclear war for decades and You know one was the woman who was trying to promote diplomacy and actually building relationships between, like at a grassroots level between american educators and russian educators or business owners, or whatever I mean that the the was just ass. It was preposterous and very transparent, a transparent signal and move they want so that, yes, when did it start, that's when it started and then of course it it. It continued to

grass and escalating, I started to see both on the debate stage. As the debate started to begin as well. As you know, unites hot earlier, when you know you know, when you're going into do an interview like a media hit, it's probably gonna, be, Five minutes. Long and how you go in there. Knowing what do you want to talk about, regardless of the question that they ask you because scene I e got like you know. Two senses exactly, and so this was. Why was running for president, so I took every opportunity to raise it on every platform possible and there were no follow up. There was that there was no like oh hey, like let let's dig deeper into this issue, which is clearly very scarce. None of that-

it was like? Well, you know what do you think about this kanner? What do you think about tromp or what you think about this, like superficial drama and a conscious choice away from actually talking about what mattered most and ended? You know Hillary Clinton Weed and on the thing one when she said that Tom I forget the exact. But basically the Russians have chosen their candidate and up without saying my name said it was me and that, then covered by the media incessantly I just like crazy. it is it is, and it was a signal in and of itself like. Why would why would the former secretary of state former presidential car, that former you Senator former First lady go out of her way to place the target on me.

and why can't the Russian bought do better than two percent. This policy is a russian bother, so freaking powerful wider, and they run up your numbers a little bit for yeah, not not so much but it did. It eventually got to the point where not. Like the covers that I got ended up largely being negative attempts mere my candidacy or question my patriotism and my loyalties? So the gate I mean it is this: is this grand conspiracy where they're like oh yeah Dulcy, she went against tailoring two thousand. Sixteen get ready were poured out I certainly appeared that, and on top of that hate to see you, we can't controller. This is gonna work. We don't want someone it. We can control put it out, it certainly appear,

way, because that was, if you look at the outcome, it was the outcome that that I think they were looking for an, it started from the beginning. It ended up with a total total media black out by the end of it pulling standards changed you make it so that you know is like okay here that they say hey. You got a pole at a certain level in order to qualify for the debate and then qualify for the next debate, and you know, pulling standards often shift based on now, where you were re, they leave us. That's a little convenient, sir, to change it right when I start inching up in the polls little bit more, but it also just points to the cat twenty two that exists where in Amerika we ll, to believe that anybody can run for president anybody can run for office.

it is up to the candidate to go and make your case to voters and voters actually get to decide. While in these central races oh early on, you can have very well known, candidates that everybody in the country's heard of, and you can have lesser known candidates that most people like no knowledge of whatsoever. Will they start running these? rules so early on that show, a lesser known candidate like myself at one percent or two percent, whereas better known candidates are pulling much higher and then make the determination. Well, Tulsi Gabbard is not a viable candidate, cuz she's only pulling at two percent. So we're not going to really cover her very much because we don't her as a viable candidate and by we in the media and and the political party and so as a lesson on candidate, then you're not covered as much as the better known candidates. You don't have the opportunity to get better known and- and so it's this. You know

of users? Not offices of we know Person is going to keep cover, apprehended allows them to it allows to decide who who they want. Voters to be exposed to and who they don't believe deserves. That kind of opportunity to be in front our voters, and so it's kind of a pre selection, a pre primary selection before before any vote is cast. You have these very powerful people. Within the party and within the media who who make those decisions about who gets to be heard and end? Who doesn't and that that was what we experienced in and it was it was such an incredible it? This was the thing I underestimated, the most that I thought hey I can run for president. My can bring these India's forward and yeah I'm at a disadvantage as I'm not as well known assemblies other guys, but as law.

as I have the platform to be able to reach people. All I gotta do is like I but it is do my best and trust the voters will make will make the decision I under estimated, how very Quickly and in a sustained way, the media, the decisions were made to do not even allow that platform to exist, which left me in a pretty, I get a pretty helpless place I was here? I can live she, my town hall and social media, and I did it can reach. It may be a few more thousand bull, in addition to the thousand, who were sitting in the room? But when you look the numbers in the country? It even went when they choose to not cover you and not allow that platform. Then you know it's his ear. Not only not only was not able to to re the issues and address the issues that that are not just important to me potent to our country but also the

the smear attempts in the negative coverage. me in a very helpless and and vulnerable position. Where I couldn't fight back, I did not have. You know you're not have the means, even if I were a billionaire which I'm not, and I had a very vague very skinny budget, are campaign was pretty much fuelled by volunteers and I love them so much people who really believed in and set aside school or jobs or life, and when worked their hearts out to help me get my message out. But even if I were a well funded candidate or self funded, Canada billion are that I could go out and purchase ads and I could go out and Crete by my own platform. Essentially, if the media makes a decision to either not covered or or two smear you undermine, therefore undermine whatever it is. You

saying and doing it's it's some it's difficult, if not impossible, to beat and- and I think this is so important to talk about because It is a charade of the democracy that we believe exists in this country, is certainly a shred of the democracy that are found or set out for us in this incredible imbalance, power and influence? That's in the hands of the very few who don't have the best interests of the country at heart, So we also got back on forests, yeah and interest. To illustrate that I mean that the sky, who is the sea of CBS? This is, I think, probably the most stark. Indirect example less moon versus his name, and he

This was this was here this was in twenty this in twenty. Sixteen that he said, something along the lines of tromp, may be bad for the country, but he's good for business, the money is rolling and keep it up. Donald Trump keep it up, and his very direct statement illustrates everything: that's wrong: has it shows that this corporate entertainment media- it's not the money but profits. It's not the rating with Oh regard whatsoever for what the consequences for the country and for voters and for our future and that is something very serious that

We as people in this country, need to understand. Beware of so that we can start. To bring about kind of the culture and societal shifts that will similarly result in in changing making it so that you know the these few powerful people don't get to usurp our demands. See, and our voice is being the voices that matter most in determining who we want to serve as leaders in our country. So we were there. You see Donald Trump, getting the you know getting the nod from the Republicans, which many many many Republicans did not want him to be the candidate at all. never trumpeters and So that was a real thing they do a lot of,

well that a lot of Republicans it did not want and learns and party- was not into him from one of the primary exactly what I feel is totally actually somewhat when we were on Rogan together, and I said some like, while you got really hammered more I've. Seen anyone in someone in the EU. Common said: hey Idiot. What about John provides a good point. they hated him apparently as much as they hated you in the Democratic Party Why is it that he was able to pull off? Does it does that? Is the Republican Party less controlling than the Democratic Party, I don't know the answer to that specific question, but how was he able to pull it off? famous and he had influence, they couldn't black him up, they couldn't ignore them and they were making a shit tunnel money off of him because with Donald Trump

eyeballs to their screens whether it was fun, those who is initially, I think, maybe cynical or even the goal of him and then shifted to like full, bore pro tromp or if it was CNN and MSNBC Europe, I think a nest kind of like how is this evening. Happening to full, bore anti trump. artless and in all of these scenarios and from the dam how to parties perspective and the Republican Party perspective with tromp came money Democrats get to be the anti tromp party and motor a lot of people too, give money to be trump or people who supported tromp in members of Congress or whatever and Republicans got to raise a lot of money. uh, hey, look they're trying to attack us in their turn, undermine, would scorn on and

We need your money and we need your help to be able to defend the party and defend the work or whatever It is so that how I think that that's what ultimately ended up and they gave a lot of exposure and yeah. Some other. Maybe a lot of it was was with. That was negative, but you look at how much the public hates politicians much they distrust and hate the media. You know, you can kind of see how. generally people who are frustrated and satisfied with the powerful elite, whether they be in politics in the media. look at it and I friends like this like didn't, really agree with any than the trumpet was saying their life. Finally, somebody is giving the middle finger the media and tell him to you now shut up or

However, it was tromp had influence and he was very well known and could not be ignored. So at some point, does somebody come in to somebody come from the outside? That's not as brash and not as offensive is trump, and would that not be a pretty Would that not be easier or because he saw brash, because he's so freaking quota, right, good or bad for you. He just gonna run they're gonna put they're gonna put his court up all day long if becomes along. That's from the outside, but that is actually less brash and more calm and more rational? What do they say? Ok, wits, Like that would be the perfect, to date. Right now, someone from outside that can actually Roland and say look. This is

is totally screwed up we're gonna like the idea of draining the swamp was a great quote. That sounds so many legs or so much legs. Then you know course. I didn't really happen when you hooks his administration, it was I go, get more. People from this more and more love you exactly right, but but when, when someone does this in a more from better from a better like from above, position. It seems like it's this we're getting up. I can ask you will at some point is reach a tipping point. It seems like the tipping point there. Just someone needs to step in and say: ok, we are actually drain out this swamp. We can actually get rid of this. Is lobbies are gonna, get you no control. was put on them. We're gonna do things are moving in the right direction. It seems like, as you, Americans, a lot of Americans are looking at the political system going you gotta, be kidding me and look you tell me stories earlier today before we hit record it's it's sickening.

Its sickening and so as that word get out, it seems like America's radio, you know what we're done with this shit over here and tramples like the first guided said: hey I'll help you out, and so everyone cool sounds good. You go raise hell. Basically, if someone that says yeah we're gonna fix it want to change it change. I wanna make things it seems like we are ripe, for I was gonna, that's what I'm saying I was going to ask you: will we reached It seems like we're already. There tromp was the guy it got elected based on saying, hey, we're gonna during the swamp? People voted for him to go and do that, like you said people that you did, you knew didn't agree with any this politics, but he was change. He was different. He was throw it in the face of the system that we are ready for and it just so happens that the guy that food and the system, also through the face of everybody that was around him remedies I got a grenade going off it's as if people are getting hit and there's no direction to it. So it seems

were actually ready for that one to take to actually get someone there. That's gonna run that's gonna that that's that that the truth about doing the right thing to the right reasons is gonna win in the end, someone who has the resources and ammunition capable of going to battle with the existing. Medical infrastructure and the corporate entertainment media that that's that's the match up, because I agree you know there are, there are more people identifies independence in the country today, then there who people who identify as either Democrats or republican rule? Yes factually factually, Charles. We gotta use that word. Thanks, that's fracture, which are a week it we can look up. We I mean I've, I've, seen of

and this has been trending in this direction for quite some time. It is not a new phenomenon, but the numbers are consistently trending towards and maybe some some of its generational- that that you know the millennium generation did not come up, identify like my dad was a Democrat. My Grandaddy was Democrat. I gotta be democratic. Think there's there's less far less. That in the millennium, in postman you'll generation saying that people are looking more at issues than party. I think part of it is. Is people reckon eyes and being disillusioned with with both political parties as not looking out for their best interest in its more about the party than the people say. I think there's a number of reasons for this, but it is a fact that it's over forty percent The country identify themselves as independent, and therefore lesser numbers who identify as well as one party another. So are the people ready for US

strong leader who will come in and speak to what's in the best interests of the country, rather than what's in the best interests of one party. Another item I would say yes without a doubt, The next question is how. what is necessary to execute on that what is necessary is is So, while recognising you know where's, the opposition coming from the opposition will come from. The people were benefiting off the status quo and that is the existing to party system and the the the entertainment media that that is in bed with them and it's not impossible is not insurmountable, but so pretty serious obstacle and you gotta be ready to go to battle with some of the most powerful people.

And so it would take a lot. They would take a lot. and the third party thing is what you think Is that debt on arrival? then, on arrival not impossible, very difficult because I think it was. It was back and I forget it was the first time that Ross ran for president was also a milk was running for president and I think George H W, if I'm not mistaken I figure out at let us learn boy tool early on the early on at a certain point, Ross Pro was pulling higher than Bill Clinton and all I believed George Bush as well, and that, like their wake, what is going like? How is this possible, and he continued his camp as certain point Ross Pro dropped out of the race and then jumped back in

little bit later and he took a big hit for that at an eye. People probably like won't like Do not know what you want or like what were you doing body, but there are political punch to say that if he had continued on he who knows have become president or he may have posed a more serious, threaten me and then he did in ITALY has numbers took a dive after he re entered the race and he ended up kind of just be the perennial third party guy who stole votes writing, but it was for that election year that the rules started to change in making it with with agreement from both the Democratic Republican Party that made it much more difficult for a third party candidate to get ballot access just to get their names on the ballot to be included in debates

just the basic infrastructure of added to see change to the or- and it still it still exist today, that the The bar is much higher for a third party candidate to to be heard and to be on the ballot than it is for candidates who run under one party or or another, so that that that just again, not impossible, from a practical perspective, as well as from a on exposure perspective, It's a much much much heavier lift that again requires a certain strategy and a hell of a lot of resources to be able to accomplish that, How long? How long were you in the race for total I think I announced in February of thousand nineteen and

I withdrew from the race Thinkin Mart February or March of oh, I think, was March of twenty. Twenty. It was. It was after covered had kind of already start. I was back in Hawaii Covert had started to take a pretty firm hold. Maybe it was even later than that, and I just got to the point where, like run lockdown, home in Hawaii Congress had shut down and I knew that the most effective use, my time at the exit, the outcome the primary seemed somewhat inevitable. At that point, and the most effective use of my time would be to focus on how I could best help with the response on of covert in Hawaii and Yahoo com. And get like, and ninety five mass and just trying to help help with that local response and enjoy

You, sir you what it's called dropping out of the races out. What it's called is there? Some official word flare now withdrew my candidate. I went ahead of you see Sir Richard bending. That's the word, these suspending your candidacy did. You feel like what the hell, just how and did you feel like wasted time did you feel like man, because again I remember looking at you in the polls. you know you might have gotten to three percent or four percent. I could. I was really surprised. I was arduous price. You know that you just did get the kind of attraction again as as Joe said: you're like such a kind of ideal candidate from like a box checking you're a veteran you're while men, you Ben you ve got it, sperience. You got combat deployments, you you're whatever not a white person you got these things,

that people are looking for top yeah? Hopper, so so, those things and interests like ok, It will be interesting to watch this she's going to climb right up this thing and you never really made that progress Does that surprise? You I mean in Hindsight Eight. No because you cause you see, however, that mess with diamond at that moment like going through it Surprise me that I didn't even have the opportunity to earn it to earn the support to get that exposure. I remember you told me at some point. You were like the number one most googled name after the first debate. After the second debate, what you get you didn't make the third debate, for whatever reason I don't remember, which I think there is there is the other was a gap at some point or I didn't make one. But then the next. I don't remember exactly what, but in First, in those first debates I was the most

candidate of the night after each of those debates, which was the whole point, you know: hey. I can go on this stage a national stage in the first debate. I think it over twenty million viewers- and this is the opportunity- introduce myself to the american people and the hopes that they might say who she looks interesting. I want to know more. I want to learn more and that being starting to kind of crack open the door to be able to make an impact, there. I think one of the other in a day, into all the things that we talked about about how long opportunity really ultimately did not exist and, and it started with that first debate- you know in advance- we had said Are our Google adds account so that when people when on Google and said hey, who is totally gabert, Then you know our links would pop up and they would then go to my website and they could look at me. I click issue.

where's he what he care about bio background, etc. That was the hope that that would be. I would be the most Google candidate and that we therefore were ready for it. Google shut down or lads account with no reason whatsoever at all. Given during the first debate, it was not actually during the debate. It was afterward, but it was during that it was during that window of time. That was the golden opportunity to capture and it was a limited window they they just like your your count to suspend it. No explanation, no, here's what you gotta do to fix it or get it you know were released and and to this day we ve never gotten. You know it was suspended for a certain period of time and then it was reinstated and it was not for lack of us trying to read.

anybody who would answer us and tell us why and what we could do to fix it immediately. So you know I mean, there's I found a lawsuit against Google for that because because of that, the impact, obviously that it had on me but ass, but really the bigger issue that I would to raise by following this lawsuit. Was you ve got this massive big TAT company who has the power to interfere in the public square of our democracy and you who knows still to this day like was it some guy sitting at a computer was like man, FUCK Dulcy, Gabardine, up punch this by and show her what's up or like who knows, I dont know what happened, but it happened, and If it can happen to a sitting member of Congress who's running for the highest office in the land, it could happen to anybody.

running for office. Anybody who is speaking out anybody being critical of whether its big tanker or government policy, whatever the motive. This is the or that they have in their hands. That's incredibly dangerous in Undermining the the kind of core pillars of of our Accuracy of of having a marketplace a free ideas and voters who can you know thumb, get there, nation. They need and ultimately make the decision that they want to make are being allowed to. Are they allowed to mess with, like Google, ad words from a political perspective thrive. In other words, if I was running against you and I bought the Edward Tarsi Gabert and brought it to a freak in russian this paper article about how their your favorite. So when I Google tells a guy, I click on the first article two comes up. It shows me that you're a russian plant can I

that in the political round we do it with like. I know I have a bunch of common. and sell a bunch of stuff, and you type in Jacko be no The other companies pay for that word for Jacko Protein and it brings to their site, So, if I was a billionaire and you were running against me, I could block local jobs by tolls. The gaubert, who is tell Tee Gabert what is Tausig Gabert, where's, Chelsea Gabert, come from and others by all those things and sent him alter. Tulsa gathers from Russia of whatever else I'm gonna do is that legal. I know it's illegal in the in free market as they do it all the time Is it legal on the political side? So far as I know, I am not. I have come across any kind of. like legislation against add words in ankle there there, are. There are no laws or rules in place from a government perspective that that limit,

What these big tack monopolies can do with their algorithms and that's part of the whole issue here. When we talk about big tech, the monopolies, the power that they have to either promote, push forward. Certain voices are people or ideas and silence others, and can do so, while being completely Lee Lee Immune from any kind of accountability through our legal system because their private companies, while because YAP because their private companies, but this section, two thirty provision that exists with within the law that was was put in place to incur innovation on the internet early enough decades ago, when they pass that law it that guy

then this legal immunity. It said that they can, they can remove com, that they deem to be objectionable without any definition of what that is. First of, whatever they wanted to do whatever they want it to be, and it says what or not, it is protected by the constitution game. How I don't know who wrote that part of it from didn't you bastard click delete your account, for example, but to have something in there that says you internet. You know service provider, company You can decide what speed you deem or content objectionable, or not whether or not it is protected by our constitution. This is problem that needs to be

within our laws today, as it relates to big tech the relatively there's a lot of Ivan I've? Looked at this a Lahti while I was in Congress and then after for obvious reasons and then there is a lot of different proposals is different ways to kind of bite this apple, but the most simple and direct Two way would be to take out that objectionable content just take those words out and instead you know, you can say unless it is, unless it, you know you You can remove cod unless it is protected under the first amendment and theirs legal precedents in place through various Supreme Court rulings that provide very clearer kind of guard. males towards what kind of speeches protected verses what is not, and that way.

If we make this legislative change, it would alleviate the kind of pressure that these big tech companies are under right now coming from left and the right, because then can just say: look these are guard rails, this speech, that's protected and it's gonna remain on the internet and speech, that's not protected. Then it's up to us to make that decision to two to remove it that that's that's the that that's the best answer that I have come across on how, to address this rather than allowing this, you know what I mean now we have like. Ok, well, we're gonna cancel anything. That's disinformation, we're gonna, can't linking this misinformation, we're gonna! U no care or anything that Don't like or you know, I mean it's getting worse and worse and unfortunately direction that I'm seeing from Democrats in Congress is not towards hey. How do we protect free speech, but instead its

we need big task to do more to shut people, who are saying things that We deem to be misinformation or disinformation, or that call could mislead people enter. Believing a certain thing or seeing a certain view, and it's it's it is. You know that the fact that this is how- burning and people don't see the danger of ok, Europe, our today, you got Kevin Mccarthy whose the Republicans in the house sang. I bet my house on the fact that begins- will regain the majority and twenty twenty two. What are you gonna do in the tables turn and then you got the other guys in power saying you know what we don't want Democrats to be misleading people on the internet, so we're gonna, tweak the language law, bit and make sure that big tech silences those voices and pushes like

it's so simple and clear how d is a position that we are in and that when you, when you threaten the first amendment freedom of speech, a free press like freedom of religion, Once you undermine that, what we have in America, we don't we dont. Have we don't have the country we have our country, yeah we did. We did a podcast and we recorded it before Christmas, but it we did it on ninety eight, the book, one thousand nine hundred and eighty four Anyone really weird because we just noise is something that I would like all the same things that are going on, and I and I've been read that book many many years ago, when I remembered this one part of this about the language and the importance of language. Indeed, did therefore the imports free speech and we recorded it and then like it was Christmas diamond. That that podcast came out

January. Sixth, any was kind of crazy that it came out on that day, just we'd recorded a month prior and you had scheduled for that. There was a that's when it's coming out is what came our January sex than nineteen before was trending and then than that at the hashtag, one thousand nine hundred and eighty four, some some one thousand nine hundred and eighty four actually got look down on Twitter. It was I who is all it wasn't, but wasn't because of area that podcast, but it was just very coincide. Until then, all that was happening at the same time, but the point of doing that. Gaston diseases exactly aligned with what you're saying You have to allow people to communicate with each other, and you know saying you. If you say something me, that's misleading. I can't just It's what I started off, I don't say, shut up, you're not allowed to talk. I say: okay, well, actually tossing cemeteries and other information that might change your mind. A little because, by the way, when I just tell you to shut up-

don't move Europe opinion at all in fact, there's a really good chance that I'm just gonna make you yeah go down on their cleaner and that's what's happening in the country now, which is freaking nasty, an action that again Trustingly has all this was happening waste we had had talk to economic, listen, man. I don't know. What's going to happen in the world, an autonomous can have a look. We don't we're not on here making any inflamed Tori statements were usually talking about history, s and that's cool we'll work, that's what we're gonna do, but at some point we started change history, and I said I don't know, what's going to happen with the platforms that world like these pop, We could change the way they do business and we started our own platform just to make sure that we have some place to some place to go the events that things take time for the worse and there's a bunch of other things are happening. You can have some of these free platform say our awareness are charging money.

Inserting adds into the middle of you know: here's go talk about oh about in World WAR two and its heavy. And crazy and emotional, since I've got some was gonna certain add in their like. I don't want that, and I want people to have to put up with that. So I don't know or do we just get someone to say, look hijacker! You talked about this part of history. you know, we don't really like. We think it misinformation and pull it out. That's just ass, a reality that could happen so You have to be what you did. That's why we made, and we made the the underground. Just because of that, it's the platform that you guys created the problem jargon underground our common? It's just a back up and look out everywhere. I owe you want money, as we don't want your money now that's not what is about boat not have a contingency plan is Enzo

and again, all that have what's funny about us. Is I talk to her about it? You guys, can you build something figure, this out he's working in figured it out and eventually I you know, I got it, and this was before the end of time. Twenty this before the end of twenty twenty, it was a let's a contingency plan. In case something happened right. And then I said you know what this is getting squarely skin squarely. Let's launch the contingency plan. You know next month justice just to get it out there. So people know what it is in case. Something happens and sure enough January. Sixth, it was like boom where it was so coincidental, but it was very good and I We're texting echo like I guess this is why we had a contingency planning and thank God it launched today because who knows what's gonna be in six months? I don't know, I don't know it's crazy. I remember listening to that night. I,

though I have not listens like I've friends of mine who have listened to your podcast from the number one. And then not those people in my friends to write like in in sequence, like Chrome, logically and I got Buddy of mine got to the them. I think episode? Ninety nine, as we saw she went on. one hundred while he didn't get past ninety nine cause. You didn't finish reading the book unlike age or just did this new Sean's, and I can't do it because I can't listen to one hundred until I read the book so yeah boiled nights are not one of those people whose job around, if miss that pose a threat that our jump around like ok. What am I in the mood like what am I in the mood for where am I in the mood for dark depression, warm for human atrocity and I'll? Tell you a funny story about that and a second, but I went straight for

that one thousand nine hundred and eighty four- and I don't remember what actual day it why we would not January sixth, but it was in the days after- and I have I wondered- then it when you had recorded that be is. It was literally addressing everything that we worse, being play out right right before us is for the warning signs and the dangers of this is where This is where you end up since you allow for this kind of control and once we as people accept it? but little sidetrack funny story and I'll show the video after consult, will take me a minute to dig it up, but It won't surprise. You know that on the presidential campaign trail, sleep was hard to come by for me and for two reasons one was just a factor of time.

Nay, but also it was tough. For me too. Tough me to turn turn everything off and actually just get like a nice time are ours, I'm just time up just a goods, a slice of good quality, rest and sleep, we were in New Hampshire in the middle of winter, and there was a rare opportunity over. I got to take a nap and that we'd like rented a like an urban beer, some like that, and so I took an app and my husband took a video of me taking a nap because walked in the room and I'm I'm lying there and I'm asleep and am all bundled up under the covers, and I got my phone sitting on my arm on the top of the cover and I was listening to Jacko Podcast with a guy from the french Foreign Lee Gender and her home,

I'll show you the video cause. I am dead asleep and my hasn't came, the has the camera going picks up, my phone looks and the reason I remember this is because this was on February Eleventh February, eleven, twenty twenty and it just so happens that it popped up on my phone on February of this year as like the memory bidding or whatever, and I was debating sending its you. As I told my husband, I was like get the wrong idea and think I'm like board to tear gas and he's like no, what it showed was like I was able to completely tune out the noise of of what going on in my mind, of the day, to day and and be able to can it be transported to indifferent conversation and topic and in all this other stuff. But it

the great podcast that I did not finish that. But you gave me the gift of some really good sleepers, allow and soothing voice of charcoal talking about war concern anyway. I don't know if that's me, ethics anyhow, I remember well when you dropped out of the race and you you um, endorsed by and I remember thinking because again I don't know a lot of these- think that you're telling me right now I knew them kind of, but I still, I still had some of naive sense in my heart that it can't be that bad- and I am I texted you and I said like hey, are you gonna get the VP nodded his cause? I was, I was kind of surprise you endorse Biden. Well, you know what oh, I said. Oh I know what's happening playing games is going to endorse Biden binds gonna get her as the VP we it's on,

you, like our laugh, interacts you're, like a rat, you a little bit of a lost. Nothing from these vivo look pretty much. pretty much and then would so so then you wrapped up you're year career while Europe this portion of your career as a politician in in that was it out DC for the last congressional session pact, your locker and you are a second was my last official day we had to pack up the office before Thanksgiving, so no kidding you know we're, there were obviously votes going into December. There was some Enola governed gonna shut down if we don't pass a new appropriations bill and kind of the unfortunate usual thing that happens at the end of every year.

Buddy, I was workin out of my car parked in front of the careful I had my computer and its co. So you know little votes consist of seven different Groups of members of Congress, I was group to its by alphabetical order, where you are only allowed to have a certain number of people on the floor at any given time. They decontaminate the whole floor between every vote, and so when your group is called you go in cash, you wrote and then you leave, and so that was like a park like eight votes are sometimes they last fer. You know that our two hours or whatever, and if you ve, got four votes in a series. Then you're doing this running in and out. You know four times in that series and Sofia gives off Office shut down before Thanksgiving had to turn in everything so that they could transition and start to Britain. Other members comments: I should mention now that that

I made the decision not to run for reelection to my house seat in October of twenty nine, teen when it got to the point where had to make a decision where I would either continue my candidacy or I would suspend my presidential campaign and focus on running for re election in Hawaii in I couldn't do both leave legally. I could have, but just the constraints of of time and the tyranny of distance it was not. I was, I would end up doing a crappy job at both so that the decision I made I'm gonna. Let folks- and I wanted people in Hawaii to know that you know they were not some kind of

fall back plan for me, if this national thing didn't work out and that they would have the opportunity and the time to decide who they would want, you know to do work for them and other candidates who who who were going to run so, and that was a decision. I never look back on or regret it in anyway, but as a result of that gas, so thing things started quickly and in having to shut down in DC. But You're a second was was the actual final day for you, hadn't home kind of stoked. There was over. How will you hadn't home kind of bummed out that it was over mixed feelings, really mixed feelings I again. I made that decision without regret, and so it wasn't many surprised that this was gonna happen at this point in time, but I mean I remember landing

Dallas Airport, and on that last trip, and, as I was driving into DC me like I'm, not gonna, make this drive again, as a member of Congress at least and even as screwed up as things are in his frustrating as things are and have progressively gotten- never takes away the awesomeness of that privilege of being able to serve in that in that way, and you know that there are groups, have you ever been inside the stick out there, the eight the capital before the? U S, camera

you go inside. There are no marble steps that take you up to the the actual entrance to the house for the second floor and then the visitors gallery. On the third floor, when you walk those steps, there are their deeply worn grooves, where countless other leaders from our nations history have walked those very steps and the de it's an amazing thing to two: never forget those who have come before us, those who will come after and how special of privilege it is that the people of Hawaii allowed me that privilege to to do my best to serve them for the eight years than I

there- and that was that was you know your life there's so much of the political drama and and just the theatrical and the all all of the stuff that you just cunning God of endure in order to try to do the work that you're trying to do and and and I always hated all that stuff and had no no problem at all, leaving that that behind. But I think that the mixed feelings and emotions part just came from just that that reflecting on the time that I've had therein and honestly wishing that there are a lot of areas and things I wish. I could have done more on that I could have you know. the legislation that I wished had been able to advance farther or is just different things. You know assessing kind of what I was able to do. I wish I was able to do, and but but

leaving with the sense of of peace in my heart in in knowing that you now I did my asked an excited about how I can find a how I will find a way to continue to serve. so you get back home, to Hawaii, and I know when I came back from my last appointed to Iraq I had on us home fur some for like a month, day I dislike woke up on a Saturday, and I kind of felt like this weird wait Iphone right, I felt good and I felt like the wheat was gone and I was kind of thinking about what what what what? Why do? I feel so good right now and I realized oh it's because

I'm not worried about one of my guys getting wounded or killed right now, cuz we're home from deployment, and it took me about a month for that to go away cuz, it's just your instant every time. Every time you wake up you're thinking about what's happening. is everything okay, you were thinking about that all the time, and I never noticed it when I was on deployment cuz, that's just how it was. It was just you need to wake up and that's what you're thinking and it's real. Well after a month, we can up and are not not didn't have to worry about the oh, oh no. You don't have to worry about that, and eventually one day I woke up and said one office all its cause. I'm not worried about that thing. I've been worried about for so long. you got home. I mean the. How long did it take for that to wear off the pressure, the the constantly thinking about all this crap that's going on and what you need to do and where you need to move and what's the next maneuver who's mad at you and who's happy with you and all this other crap, how long thank you for for you, like, oh, I hope, by weight

Do I have wax where my surfboard? How long did the headache not for her you're gonna get ready, but it also in I mean just this whole covert situation. Also, you know I had been home a lot more than I normally would have been in working from home and having virtual committee hearings and a lot of other stuff. That was it was Strange led up to where the contrast wasn't so differently but it was. It was odd for me, like it started. is when our primary elections are in Hawaii and our member waking up on primary election day, which is Saturday in Hawaii and those like my gosh gosh, I'm Don't have to go sign waving at six o clock in the morning. I can I can go surfing like this is. Are we feeling because I had held elected off

for the previous ten years? I've been on a ballot everything election for the previous ten years and so that was that was strange. That was really weird thing that was felt and natural. to me and then and then you know. Similarly, with with the general election. But here I was on I had no issue with that transition and yeah went on to take full advantage of being a home and knowing that rule a lot of it was being here, to regain control over how I spent my time and have two to no longer have those? Very

mediate, political factors playing into decisions that are making and on just two just to be further first time in a long time not have not being cut, currently jet lag. That was something I didn't realize took such a toll fur. Years, I'm going back and forth two or three times a month between Hawaiian DC, five or six hours difference every time play your long, but that was not ass whatever I gain plane ride, but you know like like I can actually let's get a schedule happening and stick with it and not be up at two o clock in the morning, coz its eight in D c, and then you know, go to sleep at six cuz, it's midnight- and I guess just seen- I was just just basic like simple life things like I like to cook like, I could act like a like, like shopping in cooking enough. To worry, like is the food gonna wrought by the time I have to leave and then come back just like simple little.

things is its that's nice So, let's get into what you're settling into now the d Two settled you're able to by groceries, then before they rod, surf, train you're on a schedule, but Obviously, that's not way, do for rest, your life, he's gonna, let you got going on in the world. So I am sorry. Still serving in the army reserves? I have move from the National Guard to the reserves. Transition, my branch to civil affairs awesome, which is often called kind of the the warrior diplomat service and yeah. It's it's fantastic. I am it's. It's been a great move and one that's focused on building relationships

And I was kind of kind of Redman. Some have been interested really long time that that I'd never pursued because it doesn't exist within the national guard. For obvious reasons, the National Guard focuses domestic mission first, but civil affairs is ninety. Eight percent of civil affairs forces in the United States Army live within the army reserves. Theirs is the remaining whatever two percent is some basically lives on on Fort Bragg as part of the the unconventional special forces community, and so I am appreciating the training the experience and also some of the missions that have already been able to serve on their eye. as as kind of a direct result of everything that we talk about? My experience with the than mainstream media and Being filtered into you know are limited

to sound bites their online MR go in depth or even really cover any no issue, serious issues and just the caricature is that they they create launching my own show where I will have the opportunity to really speak directly to people in unfiltered way and an unlimited way boat, both about a lot. yes, and these issues that we ve talked about and and have conversations with people who can shed light and bring their expertise. Experience on them but also just be able to have a platform where I can some of those experiences that I've had an I'm sure you ve had the same, because I seen in the military zoom in politics, where, whether its travelling to different parts of the country are travelling to different parts of the world,

Is there so much more that we have in common as people than is often just honour or that we even we may may realise, and so I look forward be able to have that platform. My show is called. This is Tarsi Gabert GIS, because it Just me, and use that, as as an opportunity to be able to fill that gap or to provide what the mainstream media in the corporate media is not offering to two people and end that I found there is. There is there's a lot of hunger for that real conversation, whether its with people, you agree with her or to have a diet again. I want to be able to have people on my show who represent different views on an issue and who are

listed in having a respectful conversation about it and why you hold one view, I do you hold the other view. Where is there? the ground. Where is there a retractable differences? Weird? Where do you draw the line and I think be, able to provide this platform hope, will result in more people. Thinking like hey, maybe I can start talking to my neighbor who voted for the other guy, the other party and we haven't really talked for like a year because of it, but Maybe we should just like start the conversation and see where it goes in that it's ok and that we in America should be encouraging civil discourse and dialogue and incur ging? When we talk about what we have to protect freedom of speech, what does that mean? Well wool, and, and how do you do it like? Let's start with

speaking, sharing our ideas and now As as you started this whole our conversation today, not in a way that says I'm right, you're wrong, I have to be heard you don't get to be heard, but in a way that that that we don't seen our if, if you believe in something you hold the view that you feel is important, strong and and communicate that also right, nice that not everyone may show that view, for whatever reason, maybe they have a different background, a different experience and one that you may not have and that the or we can encourage this kind of exchange. This stronger, we are as a society. no, we don't lose by having great platforms for people to share them that that's the biggest difference, tween. What we are seeing today, verses? What I believe are founders

and for us where somehow we ve come to a place where the powerful people in this country think that It's really a sign of insecurity where, if those who hold front views are allowed to air them, then somehow you'll lose, which means men, maybe you're, not confident yeah, that's what you're offering is going to court on quote, win or convince people that it is a superior idea is innocent. It plays out leadership charging tactics. I talk talk about this you. If I'm in charge and I'll see you say, hey, hey, Jacko, I don't think we should do it like that and in my response is shut up into what I told you do I dont look strong. Now I look weak yeah. I look week. If I say well tells you: how do you think we should do it? And I listened to your idea to incorporate some of your idea into the overall plan because you re able to convince me, because you had a different perspective than I did you,

see you look at me. You think I'd really like working with working for Jacko. I really like working with Jacko because he's listening to what I'm saying and all of a sudden we're coming up with actual better solutions by the way. It's not gets. Oh I'm doing this to appease Peace tells you right now. Social gear work hard for you know. She's actually got a presentation to me that actually makes more sense when you use it we're trying to get someone. So this podcast, your new, your new show, yeah it'll be available in all the podcast platforms. Are women's commoner We are also doing video, so I'm tight. I talk to you some time ago and ask some questions about how you launch podcast and such, And one of the things you- may about was, consistency is key both of you, That's all you have echoed Charles. It was like. I just echoed ECHO trousers about your while the message was received, and so what I'm doing is so so soon within within the next few weeks, but I am recording a number

shows to have in the bank to make sure that I gotta go away training for a couple of weeks that we're not gonna we're, not gonna skipper beat so How long is this? Have you accorded somewhere a half yeah? You know, there's no, no real time limit, but right now they're about not unlike our fish you're, not going Jacko site, go for hours. I am not opposed to have no no, no rules, no rules and adding that sets its will think about it. It was at the main focus of your effort turn right now it is here you go the show- and I think, probably that by the end of this month, is aiming for awesome. So where can people find you four can find me at Tulsa jabbered on all the social media platforms. and also on my website tossing jabbered dot com. There's there's a few differ

things that that I'm looking to do their updates and an information and I've of removed it away from what it was traditionally, which is a political campaign website and and really focusing more on how we can build communities in conversation in our in our society. I don't care for. Macao Republican Independent. I don't care if you voted for timber voted for Hilary or whatever None of that should matter as we come together to to red, build bridges focused on how we collectively, as Americans, can work together for the future of our country. Would you echo Charles if that seems like a good place to wrap this this session

Maybe this a good place to wrap up this secession. Tosses, obviously been charging hard for. Well, since you were Sixteen years as water, one minute, which again we really scary, she's, been on the path echo job, and I think we should be on the path to what what what Students do you have here when you the grocery store, like stop you'll at still. In Hawaii definitely oh yeah. They do have food land, which is interesting because- and I say I know you you're water- would not that. I don't know where those kids are now Billy Real Richard Exactly still there at the same time. Ok yeah uncle. I like, when you see the Marietta, wherever star market pressure

yeah, you don't stop and delay hey. You know. So imagine if someone had like some thing. Some thing they want to address the they would hesitate to stir because you're right there, it happened most recently. I was out surfing the reef Nero more cooler islands in the east side of Oahu and they deserve only goes off like it's only really good, when there's no wind and there's swell obviously- and it's it's a long- it's it's like three slash four of a mile paddle from shore out there but it happened most recently there, like. Usually it's like some cannot be like. Where do I know you from man, a man and then like one does and other events like you, I am told all I got that's what I thought and then word in the line. travels pretty quickly and that the last time I was a couple of weeks ago, ways are really good. I stayed out for hours and people just like,

Darcy guys on stand a war and looking down at me on my word and talking stories like all what this one it so it's cool. Now I get so you go to sandy Beach. I have been. I generally stay away, if I don't wanna threaten like my life by body searches. These sure your help. Do you yeah knows, or those are the ass any Beecher Fisher, back in the day back and I always data about we work in our we surfing, yeah snowboarding mobile levels are use. Nobody, I sees no word, but ECHO Charles, has recently become highly engaged in snowboard shredding. I like it etc, but we working out in training for various things, so

but he still when you run a renewed put like gum, videos of you do in squats girls, we didn't help a percentage point us all not just do in Berkeley. I was giving credit, as I got kind of legal limit in your direct decided. Europeans are all facing people watching that saying. Oh there's also do in Burma is a where at least throw our dog upon the earth was inverted. I didn't really see much Berbeus by Joe Biden, I didn't see the audience you Joe Biden doing any purpose, not nobody else. Nobody really else kind of got on the the fitness kick crazy.

Nonetheless, we can stand here. So through your path me may need sub limitation. I would suggest implementation towards progress. I believe in that true story under their sale. So here you go Hence the need attention sometimes, but you won't get older when wheeling younger. Is this the collective we have for our gaily lying on a vote against the data may get it, but for the the boss. Who are you know we want to get something that helps in the routine supplementing nation for joints protein. Brain body all this stuff. So what do that joint warfare joints krill oil joints? discipline and discipline go brain and body. Has a disciplined over this! This is good. I this is the first time I'm trying the discipline go. Jacko Palmer drink very get tasty, very good, no sugar in that yeah. That's right now, with the monk ah see I

whose monk, through my protein shakes stumbling, also amount to sweeten two sweeteners error, because you get you get you get the good natural healthy sweetener without like the carbs of like maple syrup. Guess who just made the clip the weak. That's my girl, Tulsa image, which maple syrup is my my go. Like I e, I would only eat pancakes to have maple syrup really, but you know I can't. Did you get maple syrup from PETE up in may now carry out other when he used to do it himself. But now you know just like friends and its real, maybe serbian, Gotham,

three, whereas trees are run it. That was an sorry echo. My message with your jam here, man, but its wonder that one of the coolest experiences for there are many, but one of the cruellest was when I stopped in freedom, New Hampshire and went The sugar shack met with. The three generations of family who have passed down from it. Oh father too, child and not to see the whole thing we went up to the trees saw the taps came down, saw them oh process and then, of course, like sound The goods like make us maple syrup. Is it ever since I've been a kid like those little maple, Leafs, candies and finished? I was up in green talking to Peat he's like a sugar. The opposite me. That's. Why would he here ain't? He would take little a penny. Popular pencil wash em your little girl. He would fill

with sugar cubes had Heidi underneath his bed at night. When I go to bed, he put like a little legs level of our raw. What is wrong with new I started by going into a different realm meant anything because both you, MR these arguments about like crazy, you're the. When were you you're talking about their right, unlike gum, Yet when the origin, videos, kid I'll show me argue about that? Yes, so it did so crazy the way you're talking about, but then I remember, like we didn't despair sugar cubes, what every once in a while like you'd, get the little pack great with on a sugar cubes, and it in I did those they're like girl, candlish. What it's like purists like mean lining the sugar ray and a good Irene item, one of my Belgium's imagine

Stephen on those things by your own failings, booty reveals I little cycle riots different well monk. Fruit now sugar exist not shown on fruit is good, sties natural and by the way we want the distance, and I held out long rather thing. It's group cool about this drinkers. which was really hard to do? Is The way that you make it stay good on the shelf is it has, do you have to pay? but somehow and whatnot companies normally do, is they just add chemicals to it right in there? preservatives. We ve all heard that right well, instead of using preservatives, which I didn't want to do, it's it's pasteurized. So it's like looked so there's no, but there's no chemicals in it, but it costs us obtain a money to get going. Took us. An extra almost it's over six months to get this all set up, but then we did it now you can drink this in your kids can that's my own kids can drink my drink. It's something

my my mom always encouraged us and it is like a habit. I got into from a young age like just read the ingredients free by it, and if you do understand, half the things that are on the ingredients, then you know think twice about we are now putting it in your body. Let me ask you if you understand these ingredients, Filter carbonated water, natural flavour, citric acid monk, fruit. that's an ingredient list dog Has the vitamin basics and beat well, let's go other positive things, gray actual the the food ingredients. That's it that's it. Any Morgan who are becoming conscious of this, these really any more people are becoming aware and whether because of health like diabetes and our whatever else, but I think they're just an increase public awareness of like hate and an even more with covert like I really should be healthy. I should strengthen my immune system and I should know what I'm

consuming, I felt so bad. The last You visited so three months ago, something like that came by. We didn't have time to record my didn't. Have I'm report, however, but you just came by to hang out a little bit and whatever two days later I called you up and says: hey, hey, you represent your taxi. How you do you like them? I gotta tell you, I'm gonna call me I had to make at the locally I only saw the ten people in that time period. whenever that week was where I knew I had I well, I had been tested positive for covert texted. Echo is like

I can't smelling bottle. I feel bad about that, but it happens. Unfortunately, I'm just gonna knock, on which I now that yeah, but yet so there you yet need. But the immunity. The answer come. The final juggle has covered is well. First, implementation goes vitamin d, three, Unity and a special supplement, cold, cold war. It was again. This was crazy right, like a thought before overnight. the time now plans on the all the time- and you know the nightmare of that in your breathing and everyone stuff. So I said he in autumn and make you know a good immunity. Booster with a bunch of vitamin c and d and so I made it and cool and we're in was selling good and whatever, but then covered it, and in the two

and I also made vitamin d already made it. This isn't like Old Cove, and it was already in the system is also use our lives, because I only I take vitamin d and boom and discovered hit. It was like we could. We had just. We saw asked immediately and that we decide to wrap it up a lucky. We had only the formulas built so that stuff is awesome, cold war and then in the vitamin d, three true good. However, I am Emma supplement taker Justin in general, but I was not taking vitamin d a covert. Nor was I really aware of how important it was until I started to learn and and read more and sea, especially related to covet how most Americans are deficient, like a vast majority of Americans are deficient and vitamin d, and especially people who have any

of you now colored tone to their skin, even more so are found to be deficient and vitamin D. So I am now a daily consumer wait a minute they again. I learn that when we had our daughter, where everything. Any red fruit, best development August of vanity was always popping up everything I ever meet windy issue, but we have got to get some vitamin I also don't forget about monk MRS Extra protein and form of the desert By the way, I thought I was just dessert that has Brodie generate as such. If you get you'd little formula down like some people, they just go more milk mark on the milk, whatever cool good, but some of us we have a perfectly tuned formula: yeah, half a spoon, a peanut butter, one school milk, chocolate ones,

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sk of your mind body, I'm glad you're, being diplomatic now well, he's being diplomatic and, like include all agree, almost last praises, never seen anything like it. I thought I talk about doing marshalled, we're talking about Jujitsu member here on our side, moratoria about Europe, but go ahead. You diplomatic truth is that, although we are saying and outward you he's got a low half he this guy has no, although offer other more like that you're here. Ok, thanks go what either way whatever martial arts we're doing they do that stuff in the event of you doing Jujitsu, you're gonna need a gay and arrests guard get those as well from origin. How did you not gravy train a little that not a lot I made at the most the most? If you could, I guess within them family would be army, combative, soaker, flooded.

Yeah the army arouses cities are great programme, yellow pages. You guys exactly. I early on. I guess that the marshal art that I train the most and was was brazilian cup wetter. That's right, I was equally laugh every time I hear you pronouncing english words with the brazilian portuguese accent likely. I know he does about who I taught her said earlier, starting off his programme, that I'm very look. I just say what I say comes to you know brazilian, Fortunately, our objective you're gonna talk to me about. Oh you drink up where a common approach road well, and because of that I took some classes in brazilian Portuguese in Hawaii, like like tunnel learn the Lange I was I was getting fully immersed in the culture ends and started to do a lot of a lot of my friends who did CUP wait. I also did Eugene soon Metal,

as a huge resign community in Hawaii, because if surfing and obviously most of them do either cop what an jujitsu is welcome and but I did I was kind of on call, loomed, I was training like six hours a day and upward and those that was so starting to teach and I was doing a bunch duff there, but yes So the most time I spent doing any kind of grappling with was army, combative switch was fun. what's cork has now you're gonna be on the journey of jujitsu? We're gonna, get you a key. I want I ve really I I want to learn and, and I'm a big mix martial arts fan I have been. Long time and do you went up and turn with Duke Rufus right yeah. That was an incredible surprise that I was not expecting by tat. He was there to try. In John widely and she was I through doing publicity things- I got to meet her and spar

I use that word very generously. She's like come at me like kick me partially, do something I don't know, but it will the like get getting two hits impassive. Duke was frickin incredible. There now is awesome of corner bunch of fighters at USC and in whenever do faces there. He just psych such ass, a super cool super nice yeah, Superman I am obviously the great trader and everything, but I just remembered second disguised as freakin rad, just oil total any makes you and I like he made us feel just great and end but I'm going to say as the thing that I've always appreciate mokes most about mixed martial arts. As you know, the other guys were stronger box. Are striking her whatever. But this the strategic theory that goes into PETE fighters, who have a very strong ground game when you really, watch it is I've just incredible and that that's what I've I've loved most about the sport

is the strategic thinking that goes into. Like our eminent do this and set you for where I'm gonna put you in. You know six moves later or area. Whatever so yeah, I'm now now that I'm a little bit more free. I really do I've been till my husband, I wanna learn. We have connections how I announce speaking of geese, digital geese genes and boots? You went to the factory inane red has, the origin factory in Maine and to say I was stoked, is an understatement. we made a little social media. Video video about in an Nino got some footage peach on us around and talk about what they do, but the local media with us, and local media did a story on on now on origin, but my huh then, what are you in the car right leaving? I was so frickin still it was. It was completely unexpected because I've I've had the privilege of going in visiting a number of you. No local businesses.

Shops, but the thing that really like struck home for me like in in a visceral way, was awesome products, but the Spirit the Spirit of origin came through. loud and clear, not just because pizza good at talking about it, but because of what I experienced in the people who work there and the sense of pride in the sense of ownership of the thing that says right there we get to do this and and how deeply you all have built the foundation of this american business in the fabric of Amerika. And that, like I was like I left there like, I told you like,

like. Where do I sign up like how do I hear? How do I join this, because this is frickin amazing and I talked about it and a shared that that's why I wanted to share that video and just experience of being able to go and visit, and it was not on the way like BAR Two main is on the way to nowhere else. The hell going- and it was literally like, like I called an audible on my team and unlike yeah, we're in Maine and I'm gonna- take a two hour lake detour to go and visit because the story of the you guys are sharing of origin main. Is this story that needs to inspire America, especially now in what what we can do, what we can do here at all when that. Yes, this is about supporting local businesses about supporting America american jobs. It goes so much deeper than that that yeah, of course, there are challenges in their as adverts.

City- and you know foreign trade and, like all These other things, but just like you know p talks about how he started writing in his frickin backyard built a factory cause there wasn't where there is a will? There is a way and when you are rooted in this nation of not just how can we make a bunch money, but how, Do how do you use business at a means to serve and have a positive impact in your community in the lives of the people who worked in the customers, you know like head, I'm not just buying a product, that's cool! I'm supporting a mission that much grey air than any one of us as individuals and will have a much longer lasting impact. Yeah, if you were to take what you just said,

if you were the view, and I would have looked at each other in say: let's make a business and let's make you know, let's make clothes, let's make apparel, let's make shoes and let's make money The last thing we could do to make money is true. build a factory in America correct and source everything from Shahrazad with lasers is absolutely sat and there's company upon company a cup upon company that primary goals to make money. That's the point marigolds, not to make quality product. It's not be innovative with their products. It's not to rebuild their community is not to put money back into. The community is not due not to bring manufacturing back to America that that's not even on the radar. Those our primary goals now in To do that, we do have to make money, yes, absolutely, and we will, but that's not why were doing it if we Just wanted to make money we wouldn't be. There would be no factor it be. Sweatshop oversee That's what it would be, we're not going

that we're never gonna. Do that and you be no different than most of the others. There did. You know an end it would you wouldn't be EU origin, wouldn't be origin than absolutely and to be quite frank with you, money could not drive or inspire me or motivate me one, one hundredth the amount that it as you know that there's people in that town, yes, that are working better have a career now taken Millennials teaching them a scale that was always so close to being lost. You saw them millennials that their skills. That word I mean our: are our guy Lenny just died? before he died. He was able to pass on his knowledge that can be found. Don't get saved it's there. we're there and

you also also stoking to unite our text and back and forth, and I think, are trying to get you a pair of boots. I was like a we'll get you some dead. We had some delivery routes, but for you, but there is still scope that you could go up there and you could see at an end it's very cool too, like all here, Joe Rogan talking about origin and he's not in there I know, is very cool when I saw when I heard him talking about origin and images came out with some someone else. It was was honest, show When I heard him talk about it,. so passionately, I realized this. Is people get it if you don't tat. You look its awesome when you go there and obviously, when you go there, it's visceral when you go there But even if you don't go there, you know you, some barbaric genes that you're wearing Those are american made. The hands that harvested the cotton

processed at every step. That's the amazing thing is, and I know some of my some of my friends, the military, especially when they got there stimulus checks are like make a choice with this money and I'm gonna go shopping at origin because cool stuff, but I am supporting America with these dollars and that that's the difference and that impact and an eye in I loved sharing the story of my experience there to help inspire. Others who may aspire do something similar but feel like the obstacles are too great but but and weather. Business or whatever I mean that the point is that the motivation and the spirit of getting back to planning but getting back to our origins, who we are as a country of entrepreneurs and innovators and people,

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to see you. I just got it in the mail a couple of days before I left Hawaii and I have read your forward and I'm just starting the impression starting with the book how incredibly impacts this book and this man has been on your life as a person, but the thing that really I spoke to me, was how this was kind your go to reference to help guide you through difficult leadership, choice These decisions challenges that we face in some of the most difficult environments I e being in at war and arm and that you ve never met them. and that was that came through very clear and your gratitude to him in having this this book that provided you with that

place where you could find the answers that you couldn't find anywhere else or help. You see things in a different way that you wouldn't have seen otherwise through his experiences and how he handled things or his perspective and then that the the Maybe the most important thing was that all of that came from the former concern being care for your guys, his soldiers. your seals soldiers who you were people who you were responsible for, and I thought that was a really we'll thing for me to come out. I've. I've only heard you talk about it but to come at this book and I'm really, forty. Two red can continue to read it but to see that bridge in time and that that and conflicts and wars between a guy who, Sir, in Vietnam and was a leader of soldiers in Vietnam to you and the experience that you had a leader serving in Iraq

how there was such a powerful connection between two different leaders in two different wars in different places, indifferent times that that's not something I've really heard of before It's weird cause. I, as I read that book, have you ever seen the movie this. I think it's called the thirteenth warrior Have you heard of this movie Tom Cruise now when he was based on its based on a book by Michael Creighton, and I cant remember the name of the book that its based upon. But it's about this Arabic. person who gets somehow mixed up in with the Vikings and there's a great scene and that the arabic guy is Wade by some famous actor

give it Sacco, traveler and really wish, but they showed they did. Did you this scene, where he's learning to speak Norwegian, Her old nurse, whatever language speaking and the way that they caught up their speaking Norwegian and in every once in a while english word, pops it, which would have been an airbag movie arabic word, but it's it's a English speaking movie, so everyone and while an English, What will Papa says about random mother sister? Did your mother bodily tree answer any starts picking up in its maybe a two minute scene, whereby the end, all the words are in English. The reason I'm telling you this is because, as you were, as you were talking about them about face, I feel like each time I read it like a little cause is not a book about leadership, and you know you mentioned Leadership- is not a book about leadership to talk about a guys life, but it

as each time I read it, a little leadership thing would come through. and then a little bit more than a little bit more and the whole thing I realize this whole thing is just about leadership and it's about how to take care of your troops and do the mission and it's it's d. I just had fought as you're as you are describing the Coralie since between what he lived through and what I live through, which, by the way, just for the record not even. He was in korean vietnam- is that he had. distinguished service grasses nine, silver. I mean just totally different but good book. You check out the closest thing that I can relate to in my time in the military. Is you mention Banda brothers earlier and I was a brand new maybe I was any three or any for by that point. But I picked up the book band brothers before ever, watching The many serious aren't, even if it was made at that time. Yet but

I was brand new in the National guard. I started. Reading the book as we were about to go and do an annual training for indian town gap in Pennsylvania, and am in the book. I'd like cap, put it down We go there were there for ten days or to eat or whatever it was on the plane going. to Hawaii, and I finish the book and at the end of the book it says, Dick Winners currently resides in for indian town Gap Pennsylvania, where he lives with his wife. He I am slightly why didn't I finish this two days earlier? I would have definitely gone and knocked on this man and he was still alive in the time that was but but I've gone on and watched? I mean I've watched this year. I don't even know how many times have we debt in Ozma S, we had right essays on different episodes from a leadership perspective, leadership, lessons good or bad and really analyzed each episode of that an end. So that's that's one month as only a kind of closest thing. I can really.

You were going back and looking at her, and his leadership, and I always forget the guy's name, but the guy was Ross in France or borough. Thank you his his. Flawed leadership. I would say, and the lessons learned from that and as a specialist then and then a brand new lieutenant ice. I I have often gone by to those leadership, lessons, including the ones of thumb. You know some of the year gosh, forgetting the name now, some of the unlisted characters and one that was played by Donnie Wahlberg, one of the main axes and and that was I had a chance to meet dining Hall, regatta veterans event and, like I don't I don't really care about celebrities in general. But I use their like. I need to go speak to this person. Bout behind brothers and it was really quite a huge huge you support, veterans, I was on a show called the billions

you were here and the them one of the main characters in billions? A guy named Axelrod is, he also played Dick winners. He is forever Dick winners. In my mind, I don't care we are using homeland through our your dick winners. We're gonna he'd, be weird sit around and talking in, and he said something along the lines of like. Oh you in some called Bene. Brothers. I am well aware of yeah, so we talk a bunch about a noose whose interest because Those I've never done any, like Hollywood things before actual tries likes it around the matter. Well, when you do it, you film the same thing ten times, if not more so like there's a scene where were waiting a guy up

bed and there's me and acts and wags have you watch billions before I've only one or two hundred million. It's free confront ass the church, so me acts where's, three characters and sir we're waiting a guy up. And the first time we film, it is like their foaming, offer us and we deliver the wines and then you stop and then they re set up all the cameras and then they do it again, but they're just filming me and then they re set up the cameras and they do it again. There just foaming wagon any reform. Again they dare just foaming actually and then they reform it again. There's foaming the girl embed than they reform again, and then they do from a height they do so. It ends up and of doing this thing ten times fifteen times twenty and by the way, if someone messes up doing it again so. I was talking to Mr Howitt God's name: did you feel like a battle, see how the hell did you do that he can please it's totally different because Lisbon,

we guys running around with cameras. Do it one freak in time and they just to get it right and they're running through the explosion. They're going off in like a building is going to get destroyed and it's only going to get one take. So that was pretty interesting, no pressure, right actor, not only because of that. Just the logistics of it but like the history and what you're doing and who you are representing. Like my gosh, I I can't imagine Hjelm so Someone messes up the director comes in my talks, too, Rapport Leggum sues over if someone to any maybe doesn't mess up, but maybe he's not put my right right stand right like Agnes will tell you a little bit too emotional, and so it happened. I didn't I don't know any this brand Playing a military

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what we want. We went to the battlefield of Chickamauga when I was in oh see us, and we did that as a class should increase, by bringing history to life and making it relevant, especially from a leadership perspective. That applies, whether in the military or not, but something I found out pretty cool in last year, so I was asked to be on the show on PBS called finding your roots and it's a show that features different people. In my episode they also had Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio, but in like Oprah they bad different people on and they dig in to your genealogy and food stories about your routes where you come from, who you come from and I found out that one of my ancestors on my mother's side of the family. Were Thirty nine, forty years old, when he volunteered to Sir

and the union Army, and that he was and they had the documentation there of one of those battlefields where he fought that I had been to previously and visited and walked through an the more psych it was them, incredible thing on on many levels to see like this, guy gave up his life to go and and fight for he believed in and then I had generation later not only physically och through that battlefield where he was, but also chose a similar path, with my life and so on that's just it was. It was, and I've gone back to Gettysburg a few times sense and every single time. I go. It's an incredibly powerful experience

credibly, powerful and to go to the place where, of course, Lincoln delivered. The gettysburg address yeah it's when when we could we basically we spend the two days walking and then we we when we wrap it up, and you kind of now you clear We know when you ve, seen the low ground, the high ground, the trees, the buildings and you're walking thousands of men were killed it. It's just it's just unbelievable, it's an amber. War event is an unbelievable place and its in it, way to learn and solidify, though so. That's e, F echelon, front dot com. flash events. If you want to go it's in April, so and if you want to help service members active and retired their families, gold, star families then check out our policeman she's got a in a charity organization. Mama Lee, if you want to do,

eight or you want to get involved, go to America's mighty warriors dot org And if you want more of my imposing interrogations or you want more of echo's quiet questions and pop culture commentary pop culture gotta. Do I just whenever I am giving echo hard time. If it's a pretty one that he'll say to me, like your bureau, happy with yourself, I really enjoyed Euralia Georgia's others. You think you're good, don't you and I That's how I know I'm kind of get in there and as I got as when we got here today, as I got out of the car, I was responding to Tibet. or Instagram, and I had just made it. And I got other guys a day. You does it. Does you say that to be someone had said,

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it. Would you ask about aliens, remember how poor someone asked about aliens right? I think so things that Clinton or something it's not on the top mileage understand, put about Guph Something about echoes questions. What is there to be saved? The best realised what is going on is when I first met Euro would arouse a monolithic ever met. Anyone that ran for president before seven, even though you gonna think like what would I ask and then for some of this the other s stuff is there would ever, but man gotcha. nothing else, but thank you. Awesome tarsi incur any closing France. I am it's great to be here and. We have covered a lot and there's a lot more to come. The awesome well Bobby Seale thanks for common on. I know we try to make this happen for a little bit and logic cunning,

get on here and and thanks for your service in think the United States government, of course, but also Obviously, thanks for your service as a soldier as a leader thanks, in your life on hold. And your life at risk to defend. The freedoms and the way of life they we hold sacred, and the same goes to the rest. The military personnel out there around the world on those gotten barricades on the front lines of freedom. Thank you for defending us and police and law enforcement, firefighters and paramedics and E M teasing, dispatchers and correctional officers in border patrol and secret service and all the first responders. Thank you for defending us as well here at home. and to everyone else out there well from.

Thing ask yourself, is today the day is today the day. and leave your life thinking that today could be the day. Then that means remember some of that a low hoss spirit that Aussi talks about treat people with low a treat them with respect and compassion and trying to help out other people, and you do that Do all those things by first putting your own ego in check. Listen more than you talk praise more than you punish, stand up,

for what you believe in, while respecting other people's beliefs to and remember always remember that we are stronger together until next time is his tall see an echo and Jacko out.