This is the Jackal Underground POD gas, ECHO Charles sitting here with me, Jack, a willing. how to win arguments since some people would want to know if that It's you that's one of those topics. You say: oh yeah, we go This is really for you, it's really for you and there's some people that would like well seemed argue that much good good for you. because step number one. Twinning arguments is not to get an arguments right. Here's the thing who it's in more street fights somebody! That's a skilled Marshall artist that trains jitsu boxing more time wrestling. or some one that is insect about themselves and some one that is intimidated by other people and someone that feels the need to prove their point to someone else who gets more street fights. We know. So if you

here this question. You like, oh yeah. I definitely need to know noakes, I'm in arguments alot. is already indicated that we're probably in the wrong spot, you probably the wrong spot, because the personal outgunned street fight. Why get in fights cause here you don't feel confident. You dont actually have skills so throwin haymakers in the street so- We don't want to be arguing with people. How do we avoid arguments? how do we maneuver around arguments, bunch of things and the law on this is that we use about this forever. and I ve been talking about this a lot. Obviously, This ties into the indirect approach right and here's the thing, here's the thing the indirect approach. As soon as you said, something like I could see weakness by all. If Europe, if you If I could do some it's, I just need.

direct and John stop it and you think that's more efficient and you think that's tough and its dumb. It doesn't work good, it doesn't work May you occasionally get their cancer One do something, that's so out a line that they need to be directly confronted. Yes, it does happen. It happens. One percent of the time just like in combat one percent of the time? I look, we don't have a choice. We gonna do a frontal assault on this enemy position. This is The only option we have. We have to take this position this hill, this this beach head we have to take it in order when we, the only option. We have is a frontal assault, you, so here's what we're gonna do that happens. One percent of the time! One per cent of time ECHO Charles, is so out, align or whoever is so out. Allied that you have to say, hey! Stop! You can't do that. You have to take the direct broached by the way, if its people you're interacting with.

You should build a relationship with them where they already know not take that approach so that the way to win. Would you try All these things were trying to win without having to fight the best way to win an argument is the other person doesn't even know there is an argument taking place there. It's! How we're looking to win. That's what we want to do so here's some little things to think about, as you go through your day. Look for Ground with other humans, what, What common ground can I find because if you're on one side and on the other side of the abyss, we're not together we're not agreeing on things We can't even reach ass. The abyss cause it's too big swan for some common ground. I ll to start off when someone wants to do, Gus something with meat, which means they want to argue something with me. My first effort is to agree with some point that they're bringing to me. and now actually agree with them harder. If I can

harder than harder than they came at me? I'm gonna take any even harder approach on my where I had somebody. I was talking to somebody the other day and they were bringing up the fact That America, America is evil, not quite evil, but America, evil and they brought up the Abu Ghraib prison scandal right where the people were taking the soldiers were taking pictures them stacking them up, doing put them uncover positions they brought back up. I Greed, harder than that I go wait. That's nothing compared to the meal. I massacre. That's nothing compared this increase. I took their point and emphasised even harder, so now I'm even more on their side. Then they are. I crossed that abyss and got to their flank before they even could say

point so. looking to agree. If I'm looking for someone degree, guess what or any do I need to listen. What they're saying true, we must know what they're saying and listen, what they're saying that's when I can get to find something that we can agree on, that I can build a little foothold than I can start to build. our relationship with them, where they see that I'm on their side, and then they can start to listen to what I'm saying, because before that the opposite sides. We can't get across the board, where's can argue, help We ve had this conversation before about social media. I think actually sit on on roads, part. How many times has someone on twitter? said you know what great point. I really appreciate you sharing that perspective. I've changed my mind like that, doesn't happen and it doesn't happen. happens. So rarely happened. So really that means this is an ineffective approach. That's the direct approach to actually you're wrong in past fourteen monsters.

this many whatever to whatever. Whatever I hit you some facts, and you can all thank you for pointing that out. I really initiate it. Now I I've been enlightened mouth shifted my mind. That does not happen. so we are not doing that because we don't make real progress. Are ego might feel good that I told you what was up. So instead think about how you can find some common ground. Listen, what people have to say agree with what theirs agree harder if you can, which is actually As hard as it sounds, you make some point to me. I'll probably be I can probably think of it extreme example of what you're talking about and talk. how I do agree with that's wrong. And then we want to look at the way that these things are framed. How can You frame things with people so that they see them from a different perspective

How do you take a strength and turn it into weakness? Argotic weakness in turn into a strength, win, win, leave army, talk about the fact that the seal teams didn't really have a lot of doubt doctrine so the army, the Marine corps they have doctrine. This is how you do a raid. This is how you doing a salt is how you do an ambush. They have, they had legitimate and weave. Some of these documents on here. some of those few manuals when I first heard the First time I heard people, say that the seal teams didn't have any doctrine it was, it was an attack. It was a you guys, don't have any doctrine, you dont know how to do stuff, and I this was a young A younger wasn't that young, but I immediately re framed it in a positive way, not as a counter attack but as a yeah you're right. We don't have good doctor and how to do things nears

lot of situations where that hurts us You have a new guy officer. That's never done an assault, a target before he has no reference point a rate great point, your make. That's when I had to rephrase the fact, but you know Nowhere does help out. Sometimes again, the soft would limit is that if we get tasked with a mission that now we re not done before, but no one's done before we ve practised Creating an idea on how to execute that mission, so even though not having doctrine is definitely a weakness. There's also a sense were become strength so now that you can't really argue with that, but it's a reef framing of the argument. We do this, as leaders problems turn. Problems and opportunities. turning problems in obtuse. It go av up the

fly or said they can't deliver us any more of this type of metal, ok, cool! Guess what our great now does an opportunity to try This with all carbon fiber right instead of seeing oh no. What are we gonna do problem? No, it's an opportunity for us to make an adjustment another one. Is- and this is a re you get TAT, to do something in it. It seems like it's impossible, Maybe it is impossible. So we show you tell your team, hey here's that ask here's the beers the project years, the mission it we ve got it's impossible or do you re frame it to say? Look, it barely seems like this is a feasible idea, but you know what we Miguel close to this. We can't so now we re framed and impossibility as a challenge. Here's another one that you ray frame. Somebody came and told our

Apartment that our last project was was ineffective. Whose inefficient ineffective. Oh well, guess what? Maybe they don't fully understand? How the price, Jack was put together, so we're taking their attack, and there negative attitude and, turning into our fault for little misunderstand, that we have done a good job. You prior me do that ten thousand times still probably. here is another thing you can do your talking to someone ray frame their emotional status so Someone's mad- and this This is a little better reflected diminish

second diminishes hammer to show you a little vague finger two but a minute diminish it, but also you ever been in a conversation where some one makes a well timed minor joke to ease the scenario and lighten up the attitude from everybody right. gonna, refrain our sadness, we're going to our anger into a little bit levity. Now, look. Can you be over the top and are crack and jokes when there's a serves no, but if you can, if you can that's why it's like the reflecting diminished as a good way of thinking, you don't take it and do the one eighty out, but you you, make a little adjustment. another way to free frame. Things is to ask questions earnest questions that. Force someone and that's a strong word that should say that word that. That require some one to answer. The question:

that reveal something to them that you know or you think you know cause we're being earnest. Were we, I think ECHO might not see the big picture here? so when ECHO says, hey we're gonna order, Fifty thousand t shirts and I say, have you run the math on what that's gonna cost us to order, he doesn t shirts, that's an earnest question is maybe he has. and maybe he's about to say it's enough- two thousand over the next two years he made That was part of what you're gonna tell me. But if I mean these go, do you know how much we can work for this house to show that the dumbest idea of her, where were you to put Van Tourism where's all that image or I can comment you like that, or I can ask a real earnest question and say: hey: what do we have enough storage for

fifty thousand t shirts and there's a chance that you go at a good point? We don't want to have to read more space. But there is also a chance, you say: hey, knock or not. Fifty thousand right now, I'm not gonna fifty thousand teachers in the next four months we are on average move many. That means will have this many at each time. We won't need anymore storage space, but will have the inventory coming and we will never be sold out. That sounds like a good plan, so by asking some good quest since you can refrain I'll rephrase the where works, if I say, take fifty thousand church where we gonna get where we can put all those you go and maybe I it. What do you think we should rent more space

putting this question to you and you can also like you're on board on how to kind of on board man I'm kind of on board on your side. I refrain get so instead of you say, like we'd order, fifty thousand shirts and amusing. We that's it dumbest idea. That is a Little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jackal Underground Park asks. If you continue to listen, go to Jacko, underground, dot, com and subscribe and we're doing this We're doing this to mitigate reliance on external platforms so weird subject to their control, and we Doing this, so that we can support the Jocapa gassed, which will remain as is free for all. As long as we can keep it that way, but we we are doing this, so we don't have to be under the control of sponsors, Edward it, Sweden give you more control, more interaction, more direct,

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