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#1066 - Mel Gibson & Dr. Neil Riordan

2018-01-17 | 🔗
Mel Gibson is an actor and filmmaker. Neil Riordan, PA, PhD is one of the early pioneers and experts in applied stem cell research. https://www.cellmedicine.com/
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yes get your new year's resolution resolved in five minutes alright i was very excited about this podcast my guests today are the great and powerful male gives who's a trip to be around with in real life and you will hear insistent clicking click click click click click click of this pen that male had in his grasp and i couldn't stop him from clicking i don't know what i don't know what to do when i try say something it's mel gibson ultimately i was like fuck it i don't want to say anything is mel gibson i just want to let him click away and be crazy but he's he's a unique and eccentric character i really enjoyed talking to him and hang out with them and i got a chance to show on some back exercises and shit and his face and who's doctor neil riordan and doctor neil read reared is he's a doctor and an expert in
messing kaimal stem cells i hope i'm saying that right and they got to weather by him treating mel's dad who was ninety two at the time and i tell this whole story about all the issue that he had in the miraculous recovery that he's had at ninety two now he's almost one hundred from using these stem cells which are right now currently illegal in the united states you have to go to panama to get this done doctor reardon has two books on it one of is msc messenger stem cells clinical evidence leading medecins next frontier and that one he is a very boring book but just very very word would be very technical where as his other books stem cell therapy a rising tide how stem cells are disrupting medicine and transforming lives that book is for the layman layperson like probably you and i so please
welcome mel gibson and doctor neil reardon rogan experience trying my day joe rogan podcast by night all day and would live german doctor neil reardon my saying that right yes sir and mel gibson how are you hey how you doing welcome aboard folks well thanks for coming here really appreciate it very nice to meet you nice me too so this you come in and talk about stem cells yeah so what is what's your experience dan and what is what is what's this calling you have here well i was initially it was for my dad who was you know he was ninety two
and not any was doing all the old man stuff you know his hip was killing him and he was like he had he had multiple problems i mean i won't get into the whole litany of complaints but hey you know your engine start wearing out you got to replace the carburetor and a few other things i took him to the mayo clinic great place if i ever get into serious trouble
that's where i'm going and they were fantastic there but they were able to say you gotta leave me here it will be dead in forty eight hours on my go so they clocked every problem that he had everything from you know the prostate to the to the hip to the kidneys to the heart of the you know the whole deal and he you know they they stabilized and they said ok will do this and will do this and they did some you know orthodox medical procedures all allowed in this country and they were great but you know i still had reservations about him getting hip replacement 'cause he was old and of course just the recovery from a dramatic surgery at that age is like it's a big deal and i thought what can i do with my brother says why don't you look into these adult stem cells
like you know i've heard things about this you know you bro you grow spare mouth on your head end up with an extra asshole or something but i was like ok will look into it so we did and of course a buddy of mine who was who was a mayo doc he said stay away from those which doctors down at panama he said it's like leprosy and banana boats and three leggett dogs you know i'm like can we call him and so so brad and i got on the phone to kneel and who else was it was a doctor pause or medical yeah it was the two of these guys so they're talking highfalutin terms medical all be medicos you know they sort of they know what a mess in carmel stem cell mess and come all how do you say it missing missing come all you know and you know side kind
mesenchymal cytokines you know outta sight outta kind as far as i'm concerned but it's like and they they give us wrist watch show over the phone for about an hour and the doctors asking him questions that i can't even think of so when we hang up i said you know translate what is all that mean things like he translated a few things he says you know it sounds kind of interesting pretty good you know and from being a naysayer he said let's call him back i think we call you right back and we spend another hour on the phone and to his credit brad brad asked for a bunch of literature and i sent him maybe thirty articles and most physicians wouldn't even look at it but it was all relevant to what hut had and you know for the heart heart problems and any problems and orthopedic problems and he read all the articles and he read he read the upside the down side and the and then we had it to his crew
then we had a very educated talk after conversation in which he and he was he was really you know by this time informed and he he just said to me well you know he's ninety two this is what the hell are you got to lose and i said now nothing let's go i'm up for it we asked him is he a pretty good hell yeah 'cause he's you know they took him into the hospital he was ninety two and they said what medications you uh he said i'm not on any and they said you're ninety two years old how do you account for not being on any medications is because i stay away from doctors and hospitals and you know and he didn't have any problems he started to have a have a rough trip will we took him down there and he got i think
it was like a double dose in the hip so where do you have to go this is not legal in america is that what's going on right now they're clinical trials going in the us but it's not broadly available and in panama they passed a law in two thousand and four which allowed us allowed doctors actually to go down there to be able to treat people with using adult stem cells so the bill was actually designed to prohibit the use of embryonic stem cells and in the same law they said it's ok a t use adult stem cells including those from a vocal cord basically from ethical sources and so in panama they they gave us we have a license from the ministry of health to manufacture and use those cells in addition to doing clinical trials there so it's it's one place on the planet where you can get a really high
all the umbilical cord these this type of cell the two major kind of stem cells we only work with one condoms and kamal or we just call it a messy flood easier and so anyway that's that's the that's how i think we're actually we actually owned apartments in the same building in panama never met each other and met we met through his brother finding us on the internet and then you go and then they brought him down to get treatment we were quite hesitant to take him you know 'cause the last thing you want is melted mel gibson's dad to drop dead in your clinic and he wasn't in great shape you know so but he was in good shape at all but uh you know as i recall when he got there he was in a wheelchair and wasn't talking a lot and things like that and having pretty rough time and and then uh so after getting medical clearance for him to actually fly down there and melt them down there privately then we we did some ivs on in first in the clinic and then to do the hip we need to do that
did some of these would you mean so we give the umbilical cord these these isolated from the basically the the meat of the umbilical cord there isolated then they're grown in our laboratory which is you know iso nine thousand and one and very high quality certified by the ministry of health they're grown in the laboratory in their certified to be you know free of everything in in canton texas disease and and yeah i wanted to clean rooms and they make it put on hats and gloves and you know you feel like all frankenstein doubt you walker these cold rooms and you're watchin cells divide under the microscope kind of miraculous really look at this stuff feel so intravenous stem cells right intravenous oscar and what what's the benefit of intravenous stem cells like what is that do well the good thing is that this this trying to stem cell the mesenchymal stem cells are found throughout your body and the normally what they do is they they modulate your immune system they decrease inflammation
and they stimulate regeneration so and the good thing about them is they tend to home to areas where there is inflammation so intervene basically they do allow a lot of things but they can home to areas of inflammation and they really reduce inflammation in the body because they operate you ate part of your immune system that that controls the inflammatory process so i can talk more about it later but in his case you know his kidneys were in trouble and his heart was in trouble and the cells they don't unlike what we i think in the early days they don't become anything these kind of this kind of stem cell does not count become anything in your body but it most areas of that need repair and it's a creech things that stimulates the repair and decrease the inflammation and helps out with immune system so the vast majority we treat our autoimmune diseases and in hots case we gave him i be so that that he could basically have
these things on board sick reading the sick reading the side of coins in the growth factors that are normally sucree did and when you're not you too and you have multi organ failure you're basically running on fumes and so put these days zero young help the cells and they secrete these things that kind of restarts everything
and so what was his response to this iv treatment well i you know i could i could i can wax lyrical about that he's almost a hundred years old and from pretty bad shape it was like bee stings it was like he got a new lease of life like he got a big dose locally in the hip which fixed all is inflammation and pain in the star walking again and his kidneys were good and his hard hit up prolapse valves in there and they healed and his cognitive powers improved his eyesight improved whoa you know and other stuff improve that i he would hate me to talk about
but he had two nurses that reported to me it was like holy mackerel while using it as a towel rack you know well dan bilzerian was tell me about intravenous stem cells is and so is boss routing you know bathroom and former ufc heavyweight champion yeah he went down and got some he's had some pretty significant neck injuries and next fusions and he said he got intravenous stem cells the way he described is like what is dutch acts as it was like i had lightning coming out of my fingers like wow did he go to you yeah yeah he said it was phenomenal i mean i said it's one of the most incredible experiences ever had the feel of a regeneration of of energy yeah i wrote about it i'd reach out to him by email and he's in it just to see if you if it be okay for me to talk about him on here and he said yeah absolutely and you know it his his cholesterol dropped all his
numbers you know the basically numbers associated with aging all got better an like you said he felt this tremendous center for some period why is this not legal here well it's considered to be a new drug by the fda and that's the number one reason there are four countries so far that have proved ms eproducts there's canada in new zealand were the first to go to canada and get this done well not for only only for certain conditions so in canada new zealand they approved bone marrow msc's which are in my mind are not as good as some umbilical cord and explain why and then s korea is approved in billable for knee osteoarthritis only so the cells have to be injected into the knee and then japan just recent
we approved the same product that it's used to treat a very serious acute graph acute graft versus host disease in children after they've had a bone marrow transplant now are there peer reviewed studies or anything that shows the efficacy of this intravenous use of the stem cells the other there are hundreds three hundred and in my book msc which is you know you don't want to read it unless you want to go to sleep and less you're looking for something you know it's just it really is purely a research tool we have eight hundred references and we reference every in trial it's ever been done with msc's in human beings and their eight hundred of them well i've had some great results with stem cells dr roddy mcgee in las vegas shot a bunch into my shoulder i was at the door of surgery i was like my shoulder is in pain all the time i can't do a lot every time i do something after i sit down for a day and now i have full function i mean
crazy i mean i was little i mean it still clicks i've got some weird shit in there and there's probably some stuff floating around in there but as far as like the function of my shoulder and the pain it's like one hundred percent i could do basically everything right yeah i was five thousand seven hundred and fifty eight years old and this is like what four five years ago and both my shoulders torn labrum's arthritis bone spurs rotator cuff issues and i went down and i got ten million cells in each shoulder i said to the dark in his is going to hurt nieces only when it comes out the other side but he put it in and it was filem pierced the capsule and you could feel pressure and i couldn't flap my wings for three days but after that no more problems and this is different than the stem cells that you can get in the united states currently yes what's the diff well because i had in common bill course i had was a called what's the kind that you can get here in the united states well you can you the only thing that's legally
legal in the the us at least for now i don't think it's going to be last much longer is from amnion is from amnion there's an exemption in the it's a federal federal exams and for the use of amnion for wound covering and a lot of people have now translated now they're using it in joints and things like that but you know i think they're going to be able to do that very much longer i don't believe so cuz this commissioner fda commissioner has made it very clear that he doesn't like it and and they there i haven't liked it for quite some time because the exam shin is for one thing and and there's an ever and doctors are using it for all kinds of other things i i don't necessarily agree with that i just i just know what's coming down the pike from a regulatory standpoint in in the you know they've been some regulatory things have come out they've gone after clinics and you know i think they've shut down three places in just in the last couple of months and they haven't gone after amnion yet but i think they're building their case for it and unfortunately that's what's going to happen
why would they go after it that's what's confusing if you seen all these benefits and i haven't heard anything about negative results yeah i don't i don't understand it myself to be on if it's you know ambience been used clinically in the united states for a hundred years without serious adverse events but i think it's more for about the claims that people are making because there haven't been studies for example of amnion you know me on tissue injected into a joint and i think the the the biggest concern is the claims are being made and maybe people are being born or billy you know right i don't know so vulnerable to the economics of it i'm i'm not really sure but i i know that i think i i just got my finger on the pulse and and that's it seems like they're gone they're gone after fat you know we were the first in the world to use factor of stem cells in two thousand and six and two thousand seven we published
on using those to treat room tore throughout its and and multiple sclerosis and then a lot of doctor the us started doing that now it now there's an new guidance initially came out a few months ago the specifically prohibits using it for for example taking your own fat isolating stem cells out of it and then injecting them in your blood stream or even a jack came into a joint so i don't i don't really know the whole motivation behind it but i know that they very clearly stated that that's not going to fly anymore so the stuff you did for mel shoulder what what exactly was that that's basically a new drug product could be considered a new drug product in the us and we are in clinical trials in the us we've already we have to ion dies for the treatment additions muscular dystrophy and we're just going to start as spinal cord
you try out university of miami and and thomas jefferson university we got funding from the marcus foundation bernie marcus is one of our clients and he seems all these kids with spinal cord injury getting better and so our product is we were able to figure out which cells work which which umbilical cords give cells that are really useful and which ones aren't so we throw away the vast majority of the umbilical cords that we get how can you tell well we we had the advantage of having thousands of cases and i an example of one case of a football coach from dallas where i live then he had diagnosed with ms he was in and out of wheelchair was on you know basically out and he was out on disability and retired from a very successfully three time state champion texas that's really saying something and he came
down in twenty ten for the first treatment and we gave him the treatment and he got much better improve for about fourteen months and then he came back again in twenty eleven and gotten a treatment improved not as much is the first time and he came down two one thousand and twelve an boom all the symptoms were gone and now he's back coaching an he is completely normal he's pry you know he's junior he's a bit younger than me but he's probably healthier than the guy works out all the time he's out there on the field he does have any heat intolerance didn't have any problems so i wanted to know what's the diff between those cells in twenty twelve and the ones in twenty eleven and two thousand and ten and then we took other cases similar to that where we had less than spectacular results there are still good results but they weren't you know boom and so he took cells from those different lots and we grew them up and then we had them analyzed for one thousand two hundred different molecules that they express and we found
that these cells we we column are golden cells because they they seem to work all the time and we found they under expressed certain proteins and then so early on in the culture process we can select for those and say hey these are golden sells these aren't throw mountain so we throw throw a whole bunch out and we keep the golden cells and we grow those up and uh those are the only cells that we use so that's the big big difference in the advantage we have is that we've had all those cases we have looked back retrospectively at which sells real worked and analyze them from a molecular basis and then now we can select using that so when mail came in with a shoulder injuries an mri first he add one but we didn't do it there but he had one yeah you do follow up tomorrow we did not now not have him we will use a lot we do a lot sales great so you don't involve is good bother it's like my dad was walking with that pain we rent you know his hip was dissolved he was doing okay
wow and so are you still no problems with the shoulder how are you good to have that done when was that i had it done twice it was i did i went eighteen months and then i started it started to return the symptoms of discomfort pain and so i did it again and like it's been like a couple of years almost three years it's fine well yeah i was really impressed with what i was able to get done but the stuff that i wish i had dr mcgee tell me exactly what it was the stuff that he had done me about a year and a half ago is no longer available they decided that it was considered a drug and the they weren't allowing that form of amniotic stem cell treatment so now is a less effective but still effective form so it seems like there is some sort of an effort afoot to diminish this in the united states yeah well i think they just to control it and they want you know they want it all to go through their deal and their prof
but in the mean time a lot of people are probably suffering from pretty significant injuries that they could deal with with that far easier if it somehow another be sped up absolutely agree with that so when did you start doing this down in panama started there in two thousand and six and just because of the regulations we found about the regulations around two thousand and six and and we went straight there once we found that law the law was passed in two thousand and four and then and we found out about it we went down there and we built our lab out we were actually functional in two thousand and seven so it's we're having tenure anniversary what's it like in panama never been to panama is it weird seems like it's cool is it you like it that's cool yeah it's very it's real friendly with the us i think that's the currency spend there is us dollars or so it goes further
we use us dollars yeah yeah these us dollars i mean we we kind of ran that joint for many years until one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine when they would get the canal back and that was pretty much the vast majority of the so we gave that back to them then they just kept the doll and it's been the explosive growth it looks like miami now it's there i built the building i live in is seventy stories tall and it's not even the tallest building you know so there's our clinic is on the 63rd floor of a sixty five story building or just full of high rises and course there's little bit too much traffic if you get that much concentration of people in one place but fantastic restaurants movie theaters mall shop the high end shopping malls you name it you got everything that you want down there and you know i'd love to spend time not to spend a third of my time down as friendly and its relative you know it's not dangerous one now so you have people that you that about you from united states and they find out about your
treatment and then fly down to panama to get treated yeah that's right not not just the us but the price the majority of the clients are from the us and then we have people from all other is around the globe do you anticipate this movement back to united states in any way or is this something that the hurdles are so steep that's going to take a long time i think we're going to figure out a way to do it you know i think ultimately we're going to do it were you know just having we were the first to get into tree a human being in the united states with the cells and that was three and a half years ago with the young man with the chance muscular dystrophy i'm a man of my other book this hopefully interesting to read it starts and finishes with his case were we were we traded him in panama for a number of years and then we just petition fta and so it's kind of ridiculous for us to do this down there please allow us to do it so were you using the cells that we we isolated in expanded in panama were using it to treat
and another now a seven year old with the muscular dystrophy so that was the first judge and then our next wedge is going to be for spinal cord injury and there are a number of clinic charles that are going on not not just out see you after a number go on the us the biggest hurdle is that a new drug if you look at the last several you there's cost two one slash two billion dollars to get to market and unless we do something a little bit differently on the regulatory side it's going to be it's going to be kind of hard to do this japan has a long for that went into effect two years ago that basically allows you for it allows you to let you demonstrate your product is safe then you can go ahead and start marketing it and then you have seven years in which to to demonstrate efficacy so safety first then efficacy
and that's resulted in four four new drugs already and and less than two years and we have zero zero cell they don't they only sell product that's that's approved by fda is a bill cord blood for the treatment of bone you do in a bone marrow transplant that's the only thing that's approved now is there an argument for that like they just being cautious they want to make sure that there's no adverse side effects that could really be significant yeah i think there is an argument there there's an argument that they want they want to err on the side of safety i mean that's our number one priority is to is to create a safe environment for receiving medicines in the in the united states i i think model is a little bit a little bit antiquated for the cell products just because they are natural products i mean if you think about it every woman has ever given birth to a baby they have stem cells from their baby in them these msc's you can find him fifty years later and they're not toxic
and we wouldn't exist as a species if there is an inherent toxicity to genetically distinct cells 'cause the cells are fifty percent mom fifty percent dad and there you can find a in mom you know for her entire life so the and the kears act was supposed to was supposed to address some of that and we'll see that went into effect last year and will see going forward if that actually does affect things now oh i know that they're doing some stuff in the united states where they're injecting them into disks this is a new thing to regenerate disk tissue for people that have degenerative disk disease and bulging disks and disk injuries and as an alternative to either artificial discs or fusion as a first step before they move into those do
do any land down there we don't do any right now we're we're working with the hospital that we're we're actually going to we're going to have a a plus a room just for doing backs just you're just for doing spa line because there are study the study out of europe just came out a couple of months ago and it showed about fifty percent of the patients had there disk become normal on mri after treatment so it's not every case but i would i'd take a five thousand and fifty shot versus having having asian right yeah so that's the same sort of situation we're talking about where you're injecting it right into the desks yeah and you know you can in the united states you know we have a clinic in in dallas that the army my clinic where we we can do bone marrow right and and so we use bone autologous bone marrow and we do do disk in the united states and it does help a percentage of people then help every buddy and we were talking before about not just not just the disc but the
muscles around the disk if you take somebody's had a injury my partner doctor orthopedic surgeon and he's been talking about this for years but we take somebody with a disc injury and you look at the muscles right on the other side of the spine there and you'll find with their withered away or their marbled with fat and that sort of thing you take an elite athlete so it's super hell he works out all the time those ma so they're like they're like rope so it's a filet mignon of the human body right and you look at that and they're just black on me right but you take somebody that's had a disc injured any level you can look and there's marbling in there and it's withered and that sort of thing so things we do in south lake dallas is we inject the disc but also inject those muscles along the side and that's using your own bone marrow and that still allowed in the united states so the bone draw concentrate the stem cells injected
those areas that something that we were talking about earlier when i showed you the reverse hyper when i showed you that machine and then that decks back stretcher i think that's uh ign if again part of the injuries that you see with people with desks with back injuries they don't have strong backs right there there the two issue the muscle around the back that protects the spine is just very weak right right yeah it's fantastic machine i'm gonna get one yeah you gotta get one you to mail yeah you got a crazy back to that picture you showed me your back is fucking bananas yeah no it's like out of a nursery rhyme i had done down in this is the bone marrow yeah it now actually had that done it in texas yeah treatments have you had well there was that one and then i had the shoulders twice and then i just had him drop it in
a vein you know just run around was that like it's pretty cool i mean you feel a little sleepy for a couple of days and then you feel pretty energetic really sleepy yeah i kind of i think it takes its toll on the i mean i don't know why you feel sleeping neil may have an explanation for that yeah well the two three days we hear the cells are getting kind of re educate the immune system a lot like a a lot of what we treat our room turn stratus and multiple sclerosis autoimmune disease is an there's a retraining that's going on in the immune system and so that involve side of kinds and those molecules those peptides are the things that make you feel sick i mean when you get the flu the flu virus make you sick it's your body's immune reaction to that that's the stuff that's being thrown off from from the fight that's what actually makes you feel sick and so when
your activating certain thank parts immune system and and they're throwing up things to make you a bit tired some people very small percentage have some flu like symptoms for one day but those are that's kind of like the extent of the the side effects that we typically see but if you if you look at like you ask why some being done us for rheumatic drugs so you see him on tv they're advertised basically every hour of every day on almost every station you cesana and an you you if you have rheumatoid try to see if you have psoriatic arthritis or this sort of thing these are biologics in these are antibodies to a certain molecule called tnfp fs1 of the immune system mechanic says hey let's let's cause a bunch of infamy
chin and make you miserable and so these drugs basically bind up or stop up the tnf that's in your body for a period of time that's why i have to get re treat it like every month every six months every two months something like that six weeks for two months and you have to get re trade in we did there's a study of room to arthritis where there was one hundred and seventy two people that were already on on medication for your throat is not adequate controlled they gave them like the equivalent of what a typical dose given panama is like roughly one hundred and twenty million cells and all of them got better all them symptomatically improved and the cool thing was that that alpha and another molecule similar similar to it decreased by fifty percent and that decreased persisted for eight one slash two months that was linked to study so so rather than pudding an antibody in to sop up what's being produced
apparently by your immune system you the so wells tell your immune system to stop it right the cells they upregulated certain immune cell called t regulatory cell that says to the incident hey quit making tnf alpha quit quit making this i'll sick stuff and they took thirty patient with the sub copart like three months later and gave him another shot the same dose and a drop their levels another fifty percent from that baseline from from baseline to post second treatment to treatments to ivy be sitting in a chair drop their level seventy five it just seems like something that would be amazing for overall repair like just go down there and let your body just get a little dose of healing to figure out what the fuck is
well talk about like we talk about something in costa rica we were both there and i had you know they look to my neck i had a fifty percent inclusion in the right carotid you know like build up of stuff like like you don't feel it happen and all of a sudden you know all of a sudden when your carotid to shut down they think well you have to eat the statens right yeah like chris store lipitor and you know i look at what the side effects of those things are terrible yeah and i said i'd rather die than eat those things and they said well you and they try to make you feel guilty for not doing you got kids you got only at but it's a i don't have that stuff now and i didn't get anyone to going to remove it and i don't know if i can attribute that to the cells but i got a bunch of cells like twice and that went away now is the talk about that for a minute does that sort of it was just an inch
your body you have a certain number of these cells when you're born and they age just like the rest your body and they they they perform more poorly as you age right so if you one of these cells from a newborn like when you were born you could plug one of these cells out throw it in a petri dish and let it grow you let it grow for a month it divides roughly every twenty four hours that's the doubling rate so at the end of a month you have a billion cells and then if you take from a thirty five year old and do the same thing that sometimes like two days instead of one day and at the end of the month have thirty two thousand cells and you from a sixty five year old who's relatively healthy and they divide every sixty hours you get two hundred cells at the end of the month so if your problem there's a thousand cells or it's twenty thousand calls or if it's a million cells you can't get it done
past a certain age just because it sells don't have the regenerative capacity and the good thing about the umbilical cord cells is they if you coculture them with these older p whole cells with the young cells they don't have to touch each other just the secretions of the young cells will make the young the old cell start dividing faster and behaving yeah and the mitochondria to see pictures and in my book you can see a picture of of cells from a sixty five year old diabetic and without any with without any juice on them and then you put the is from the young cells on there and they look like eighteen year old embassies with with so my account ahmadi kani all throughout the cell body rather than all bunched up they have they look healthy just i mean as a cell biologist i know it looks healthy and and anybody else would you can you can see just from the picture how vastly different it is just to be exposed to the to the juice
you know you is heard of this pair by osis study they did a harbor where they took young mice in and it young my in they so together with old mines and in the old my sex they got younger and that mean they use the blood of the young mice and put in the old bikes well they live show them together so their bodies together so their bodies together and so their bloodstream together so the blood is mixing and so the young that's a frankenstein should he pretty frankie but they so at the end at the end of the study that showed that that that the older the older mice got not there near logic system got better the cardiovascular system got better skill the mostly got better everything got better and and one of the key molecules in there is called gda f eleven and gdf eleven is if we when we look at the secret own that's what these cells secrete when they're growing and we pull that out we quantify it in the top four
every time is gdf eleven from the golden cells so the golden cells are over producing eleven which is one the key molecules for stimulating regeneration your body one what other audio moved diseases do you think could be assisted by this well we we do a lot of ms with our number one indication we just finished a clinical trial prospective clinical trial we submitted for publication should be it should be coming out in the next month or so and and statistically significantly these patients improve dramatically and harsh side effect profiles it is highly minimal in the field headaches and few few flu like symptoms things like that how many people this is what twenty people and one of the one of the individuals actually is clinically is perfect and all of his legions went away and we only did in treatment with these typically with ms it's more riff factories in rheumatoid arthritis
this usually after one treatment people get a ton of benefit with ms they usually see after two or three treatments that they they really they see the most benefit we only did one treatment in this in this trial but one gentleman had three lesions in his brain all three lesions completely disappeared so ms is thank rheumatoid arthritis is that is a big thing and i can tell you there's stories in the not stories but brief you know people talking about with their response that it's pretty incredible there's one lady that her husband is a physical defenses he carried on working just so she could afford just search could have insurance to afford the medications which around a hundred grand a year for her to get treated for rheumatoid arthritis and she came down about it'll be if little over three go november and she hasn't been on any medication sent she actually started
walking around the mall when she was in panama and then when she got home she's completely pain free and she's been paying free for three years her husband finally retired because he didn't care about you know having the insurance to pay for these very expensive drugs that she was taken so ms church arthritis lupus don't we don't have a lupus protocol there's there's a a group in china that's that's published six really good papers on lupus and very very effective in in their trials we haven't done it yet and then autism you know it's not considered an autoimmune disease but we have a trial we just completed artisan trial with three thousand three hundred and thirty three enrollees with very good results many many of those kids became not autistic after treatment that's confusing to me because you talk about people that are young right so why why would have such a benefit benefit for them well i wrote an article in two thousand and seven about
the cell should be should be good for autism and basically it it's the most downloaded article this journals ever had and something like seventy five thousand people have downloaded a scientific journal article which really doesn't happen very often but the kids people with autism have inflammatory things going on in their body a lot of times in the gut there are in the in the in the the small intestine there are these inflammatory nodules that look a lot like crohn's disease and they secrete these this information the thing goes to the brain and finds the white matter of the brain the white matter brain swells decreases the blood flow to the brain all that skinner inter intertwined and then just a few years ago there was a study that came out and this is what this is what allowed us to go forward with our clinical trial
they found that there are two inflammatory molecules that are mdc and park and they're perfectly correlate with the severity of symptoms of autism and so we measured not only those two but another thirty some biomarkers we measure read a quantitative eegs we did a lot of standardized scoring store is a scoring with a neurologist that that read them you know be before treatment during treatment after treatment so i believe a lot of the problems with autism half that stem from the inflammatory status and these cells are definitely anti inflammatory they've had some benefit with changing the and changing the gut biome of kids with autism they've made some benefits for that which they think they believe is also connected to inflammation yeah absolutely if you're your immune systems freaking out every time you eat a piece of bread and
and that means system thrown out molecules their swelling your brain and inflaming your brain that makes complete sense now you know the the the i think in general the the the the people with autism to do the best for the ones that get that addressed before they come down you know there's some other doctors that do functional medicine they look at their diet they look at see if they have any heavy metals that sort of thing and the ones that just aren't slam docked to the back i've been cleaned up before they come down well so what about heart disease you were saying you were talking about people that have heart issues yeah we have a number of patients with heart failure that have responded quite well armed failure heart failure so a heart attack need a transplant that kind of thing yeah yeah on transplant lists and that sort of thing yeah so i have a friend who's a transplant list yeah right so there are diff kinds of heart failure and so but then interest about heart failure the cells don't need to go to the heart to
actually become new heart cells and that sort of thing it's actually the secretions of the cells like i said before there was a study at university of buffalo where they took a cell hi v and enhancer model of heart failure and and then they looked in the heart and they're very few cells but the heart failure got better and then they sell its inject inject those same sells these are in a simple pharmacies injection into the into the hamstring muscle in a day mr the none of the cells came out hamstring muscle and yet the heart failure out better so then they took just the jews the liquid that the cells secrete and the you start simulated the amount of juice that the cells would have produced in the body and just injected the jews and heart failure at better so it's really the creations of the cells stimulating the natural repair augmenting the natural process of the body that has spin stretched to its limit you know if you
sixty five year old those cells are dividing very well this the juice can help the cells divide faster and produce more parumala molecules and and make about city think that it could take someone who's on a heart transplant list and literally fix our heart i've seen it happen time again while in there there there there are clinical trials using similar cell types it also have demonstrated that you know there's there's a molecule called bmp which is high in heart failure the being he came down in every single case the injection ejection fraction which measures kind of like the efficiency how much how much blood your heart's pumping on stroke went up in every single patient you know i think in the book the craziest k it was a it was a gringo who was down in costa rican and he he i don't know he's his pride twenty twenty five percent routinely we got a viral disease or something else needs eleven percent ejection fraction normal is about sixty and the regular the regular
house bill who work a lot with us for using with our spinal cord patients and seen results seem people walking again they they just said you can't get on a plane you're at thirty seven her for if you get on a plane you'll be dead you miles go see these guys over the stem cell place if see if anything i think his case in the book as well but he went from eleven to forty two or something like that he wasn't the first case the first case was a doctor who's a friend georgie's non friend doctor pause or medical director who had congenital so his his mother had died heart failure his sister had died his brother had died and he was you know not even fifty years old in his ejection fraction was hovering around thirty percent and a lot of people at a advanced age you're not gonna get on the list because if you're if you're a fifty or sixty year old and there's
twenty year old ahead of twenty year olds going to win and so he beg and beg to come down he was our first patient we didn't really want to take him cuz if we didn't know what was going to happen cuz nobody ever done it we treated him and he went back and has had a ejection fraction an echocardiogram and it was fifty two percent and then the doctor didn't believe it so he did read it in a month later was fifty five percent so you know it's not it i don't think it's for for every case meets at people with like a super bad heart attack is not enough to repair and you really need heart transplant but i think i think you're going to see that ultimately i i think twenty years our privacy standard of care for diseases chronic diseases like any chronic degenerative disease for which there is no good treatment you're going to see standard cares care is going to be young helping stem cells because if you look at the root cause 'cause they get a question a how is it
how is that these things work for so many things well when the root cause causes is a lack of or of those cells then it makes sense that replenishing those are brief restoring them with young healthy ones could be a useful treatment no mel this is so important to you that you want to come on talk about this you want to let people know about that yeah i think it's amazing and and it seems a crime to be it you know it isn't easier to do in this country where you know we're gonna vance country him and they should look a little harder at it it's a mystery to me why it isn't the case but you know hey if there are places where one can go and get some help it's good i mean i know another a gal she's a good friend of mine she tore shoulders up because she was like an athlete and she had her shoulders down and she got some dropped into her and it actually helped greatly with an autoimmune disorder that she had and then she was able to have kids it was
that kind of thing you know there's some really good animal data showing that you can inject the cells and you can take ovarian failure in reverse it and her case she she had an autoimmune disease and she was in unable children told that from a very young age and after treatment she got pregnant pretty quickly this sounds almost too good to be true this is almost like be sceptical people that are listening to this right now but like why this fucking shit cures everything yeah yeah it sounds like the old spook around the corner good for moles holes and bulls on what you've got studies you mean you've got real trials to back this up and you've got a host of patients that are healed up and and and healthy yeah
yeah only thing wrong with me when i go down there and shut up well if you do you see a ninety two year old man who is about ready to kick the bucket and he's almost a hundred he's gonna celebrate one hundred years in august so and this incredible he's he's better off than he was let me tell you yeah this young guy with the the suns once you just for you know this the cells don't last forever is it also important point with the show it's a genetic defect so they're missing a protein and these does go in this in animal models the cells you're given to animal they go into the muscle and then they start sikri that molecule that they're missing but they only last for about four five six months and then the then they start maturing and then the immune system clears and that's a real important point you don't have with embryonic stem cells because they cause tumors and things like that the gray thing about these cells they don't cause tumors because they different
they don't want to be a baby they're just there to do their job which is to keep homeostasis keep keep the the new system controlled you know help with ridge generation all that sort of thing i talk about that but the embryonic stuff 'cause i find this interesting the embryonic step is full of weird anomalies stuff right yeah you know we a few of us got together and wrote an article when they finally put the clamp on the asked embryonic stem cell treatment and we've been saying for years that connect themselves are going to work because they want to become babies number one problem is they want to become babies they don't want these cells the cells that we start with they don't want to is the babies already born these are they're mature they're missing and that's what they are and that's they're never going to be anything else where is the embryonic stem cells the biggest problem with them is they always form tumors they form teratomas
and so in order for them the functional you have to grow them out and if you want them to have mse like qualities you have to force them to become mncs and then you have to make darn that there aren't any the if only takes one if there's one left then it's going to form a tumor so that was the big problem that the x advance units three hundred thousand dollars a dose just to make sure that they didn't have one in am and then they weren't is beneficial and they've been monkeyed with in the lab from when they were embryonic and converted converting converted and then growing up grown up huge numbers and so they were market with this these cells you know have to monkey with and they just do it naturally you just take him out you can you digest on put him in a nutrient broth in the right temperature and humidity and oxen i was they just grow and so the you know we wrote an article about embryonic stem cells we called the the king is
king is dead long live the king because you know the the california the california voters knee jerk three billion dollars towards embryonic stem cell work against the bush mr restriction of spending money on embryonic stem cell research it wasn't banned most people said all they said was we're not going to use taxpayer money federal taxpayer money to go towards that and what people heard was they don't want they don't want progress well what's happened is they at last count i think they spent you know two two and three quarter billion dollars you got two hundred and fifty million dollars left and guess what they're studying now adult stem cells they're studying courts themselves studying his stem themselves they've completely cut out everything on the embryonic side because it just took that and there was so much information out there and now thank god it's gone and
read regain our sanity but we blow up blew lana del on on the whole embryonic it was a lot of money and then we paid as taxpayers in california for that you know because people are misinformed so if a person is listening to right now and they've got some issues what's the first step they should well i say guys got a blown knee and is thinking about getting surgery well they can in our website is cell medicine cell medicine dot com for panama if you know if there's if it's some they can be addressed with bone marrow in the us are my clinic dot com that's our bone marrow is is not as effective well it can be it's it's hard to say because everybody's bone marrow is different your age is different you know if you're a five years old even if you're sixty five years old and you're a smoker or you're diabetic i don't think it's worth the
using your bone marrow because it's just not going to do a lot but younger younger people healthier people a lot of times you can you know when it's in a joint because that's the only thing we can do in the us is orthopedics right but if it's an orthopedic problem then you know they could check out see it see if they could you know we could do some form in dallas if it's orthopedic n need systemic treatment for autoimmune disease if you have a spinal cord injury or ought any of those conditions in the go to sell medicine cell e medicine dot com and that's where we have all the information there and they can fill out an application doctors get back with them and get in the system now how difficult is to go down to panama and get treatment like how do you schedule that well that's that's all taken care of there's a whole team of people that do that the only thing is you need a passport and there's no visa required anything like come on as a flight from la six hours way far e so it's like it's like going to miami it's like two hours yeah it's actually two lit
over two hours from miami so this goes this way east is almost due s of atlanta is closer to new york right yeah it's five hundred and fifty five new york presently soul sell medicine dot com they go there contact you now do they need to have some sort of a consultation with a local doctor an mri or anything like that before they go to see yeah that they need to have a diagnosis from physician for what they have and then you know that we have a team of doctors there and they'll talk to them and see what they need they need any other information any other you know x razor realize or whatever they felt they'll sort all that out this is all fascinating stuff man and never thought about going to panama until about an hour ago now i'm thinking of taking a trip be there in six hours it's worth it i just want to feel the intravenous stuff i want to
the bathroom was talking about the lightning bolts coming off my fingers he's a little dramatic yeah he's definitely dramatic i wouldn't say that to his face i would with a smile only but yes you when you treated him he was going through some pretty significant issues with his neck yeah yeah what what benefits eighty five not for that well i you know i don't think for his neck it it we were unable to get the cells there and i don't know if there's enough left you know its what you shall see what it is yeah i mean if you had there's nothing if there's nothing structurally to do anything but a talk about you know hair loss these cells work for her loss and yeah they do pretty good job but you can't grow you can't grow grass on concrete in iran you can't
you can't stimulate a nerd regrow the tell you there's no it's not even a thread left right he he didn't get it i don't believe you get any benefit from his as accident problem but he you know the the metabolic benefits for fantastic form and and in the wise and things like that yeah he is one of one of his issues is that he has some atrophy on one of his arms because his nerves in his neck were being pinched and for a long time and he didn't dress a quick enough and it got to the point where is shrinking and that's one the so i went down there did you experience any benefit from that i don't believe he did now that's a tough one right ation of nerve well especially really long time out you know for the oxford like for spinal cord injury we did a we did a cohort analysis and and basically if if they're within one year of injury one hundred percent of one hundred percent of the patients address duration of some neurologic function it was between
one two years is eighty two percent it was after two years it was fifty percent so the longer it is in the in and also the older you are the less month you have left the reason these cells work for spinal cord injuries they don't become spa they don't become nerves or anything like that but the spot court is money most replete most replete areas of the body when it comes to blood vessels they're just barely enough blood vessels keep a in your liver on the other hand has just tons of blood vessels and your liver you can cut a percent your liver out and will regrow itself with your spinal cord just kind of doing a little bit but repair itself that's because there's no blood vessels and therefore they no msc tour very few msc's so one hundred the irv embassies reside in your spinal cord because we built this wonderful cage around it to protect it and so all we're doing is we we shoot the cells in the we also give him ivy in the cells secrete the things that are necessary for this for the spinal cord
generate itself but the longer it is from injury the more scarring there is and all that sort of thing the less benefit you're going to see so do you anticipated time where they'll be able to regenerate spinal tissue or someone who's got a spinal cord injury where they have partial or some sort of paralysis and they can be able to regenerate that i do and we i have many cases that it's already happened really yeah like what cases well you know more and carlos maria is a commercial pilot from costa rica and he was one day fly when is national geographic photographer round in his private plane and a pancake and both of them got spunk injuries jc you say pancake mean crashed crashed plane yeah yeah they were front of volcano is like some crazy guns and stuff and it just it just dropped out of the sky and landed on the ground and he had he had no function
no no no sensation below the injury basically from his belly button down had no erectile function no bowel function bladder function any of that stuff and you know the first time we them and how are you treating him going ivy sells an intrathecal so into the spinal fluid so the first the first round a treat after that his his biggest is his he had he described as like a ten out of a ten pain scale so we had this narrow path pain that was just like he was shoveling down narcotics like nobody's business and he after the first treatment he didn't get any restoration of function or anything but his pain dropped from a ten two a3 and so he got off the narcotics then the second time we treated him he got his left leg bag and he could move it and how long after the treatment we started train him six months and three days after his accident and then so he got the first round of treatments was in the first month
and it was about three months later we did the second round three months later he got his right leg back and then three months later was over about a year at fifteen month period probably in total he basically got eh think back you got erectile function you got bowel bladder all that sort of thing and you know i just just had dinner with him the other night in costa rica and he can walk in here and he got his commercial pilots license back in we started a new business and you know he has one hundred percent he's i would say one hundred percent 'cause he does have a bit of a limp but he broke his leg when he was four wheeling so fucking maniac he can't get enough this is just before after the accident he broke his leg we got all better and then he was perfectly fine and then he goes out and four wheeling and breaks his leg so yeah so he was one hundred percent then he fucked himself up again so he it's a little bit but but most people i don't know that he ever had a spinal cord injury you know dancing
readable so you feel like with conventional treatment that guy would still be in a wheelchair yeah absolutely yeah i mean he was that he made zero progress so we're designing this study at my aunt that we're doing at miami that in front of other markets people there to newark neurosurgeons that are on that so we wanted ok we're discussing what at what time point should we accept him and these very prominent neurosurgeon said let's do six months because at six months you got ninety eight to ninety nine percent back everything you're going to have so let's do patients or subject matter from six months to two years and so that's the and criteria that the timing that we're going to do for this study at miami this is phenomenal so it is that study published online is or anything were or this case rather publish on my cases posts online yeah absolutely would represent my book it's it's on you have to it yeah it what's reference in both books but in the spinal cord chap
so stem cell therapy rising tide is the one that it's written for layperson here yeah that that it so it's reference in there in the whole story about one carlos in in his you know his journey and you know how you got started and and everything's in there as well as a reference to the published article that in a scientific journal about his and then msc is the one that you read if you want to go to sleep or if you're super nerd exactly exactly and tell madison dot com the website cell madison dot com listen man this is fantastic stuff and i mean i'm very intrigued and i really i hope people that have issues can reach out to you and and try to see if you can get some treatment and if i would love to hear back from them i mean what what happened with you and what happened with your dad is just incredible and the stuff that
of experience in united states seems like it's not nearly as potent as the stuff that you're using down there and i've had some pretty dramatic results so it's incredible stuff cool tj dillashaw says hi you know teaching yeah he came down there and uh yeah it came down there like three months before the last fight and he got his bell have done well yes he he told me i could tell you everything is okay he got ivies and he got a shoulder down because he this is shoulders really bottom so that was that was it and he and i went out of and to get all that done yeah how did you find out about him or how did he now rather hear frankly i don't know maybe bars or somebody else one way else in that we've had a few anime guys and i ask him in bosnia he both said that is ok to talk about it i'm going down there yeah listen man was a real treat real pleasure i'm so fascinated about this stuff because of my own personal experience with the you know the
limited amount of stem cell treatment that i've gotten but i've had great results i had a knee injury that was bother me forever i don't feel it at all anymore the shoulder does bother me at all anymore i mean it's it's pretty amazing stuff and from what you're saying i'm getting a very watered down not nearly as potent version of what you have in panama wow okay so cellmedicine dot com and then the books then our msc say that again mezil mesenchymal stem cells incable stem cells and stem cell therapy a rising tide mel gibson thank you much thanks greenspan in here appreciate it alright fucker read it to this look it up get healthy thank you everybody for tune into the podcast and thank more sponsors thank you too movement watches get fifteen turn off today with free shipping and free returns by going to mvmt dot com slash rogansweet
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