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Yes get your new year's resolution resolved in five minutes. Alright, I was very excited about this podcast. My guests today are the great and powerful male gives who's a trip to be around with in real life, and you will hear insistent, clicking click, click, click, click, click, click of this pen. That male had in his grasp, and I couldn't stop him from clicking. I don't know what I don't know what to do when I try say something: it's MEL Gibson Ultimately, I was like fuck it. I don't want to say anything is MEL Gibson. I just want to let him click away and be crazy. But he's he's a unique and eccentric character. I really enjoyed talking to him and hang out with them and I got a chance to show on some back exercises and shit and his face, and who's doctor, Neil Riordan and Doctor Neil read reared is he's a doctor and an expert in

messing Kaimal stem cells. I hope I'm saying that right and they got to weather by him, treating MEL's dad. Who was ninety two at the time, and I tell this whole story about all the issue: that he had in the miraculous recovery that he's had at ninety two now he's almost one hundred from using these stem cells, which are right now currently illegal in the United States. You have to go to Panama to get this done. Doctor Reardon has two books on it, one of is Msc MESSENGER stem cells, clinical evidence leading Medecins Next Frontier and that one he is a very boring book, but just very very word would be very technical where as his other books, stem cell therapy, a rising tide, how stem cells are disrupting medicine and transforming lives. That book is for the layman layperson, like probably you and I so please,

welcome MEL Gibson and Doctor Neil Reardon Rogan experience trying my day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day and would live german doctor Neil Reardon. My saying that right, yes, Sir and MEL Gibson, how are you hey? How you doing welcome aboard folks? Well, thanks for coming here, really appreciate it very nice to meet you. Nice me too, so this you come in and talk about stem cells yeah. So what is what's your experience. Dan and what is what is? What's this calling you have here? Well, I was initially it was for my dad. Who was you know he was. Ninety two

And not any was doing all the old man stuff, you know his hip was killing him and he was like he had. He had multiple problems, I mean I won't get into the whole litany of complaints. But hey you know your engine start wearing out. You got to replace the carburetor and a few other things. I took him to the Mayo clinic great place if I ever get into serious trouble

That's where I'm going and they were fantastic there, but they were able to say you gotta leave me here. It will be dead in forty eight hours on my go, so they clocked every problem that he had everything from. You know the prostate to the to the hip to the kidneys to the heart of the. You know the whole deal and he you know they they stabilized and they said. Ok will do this and will do this and they did some. You know orthodox medical procedures all allowed in this country and they were great, but you know I still had reservations about him. Getting hip replacement 'cause. He was old and of course, just the recovery from a dramatic surgery at that age is like it's a big deal and I thought what can I do with my brother says: why don't you look into these adult stem cells?

like you know, I've heard things about this. You know you bro, you grow spare mouth on your head end up with an extra asshole or something, but I was like. Ok will look into it, so we did and of course, a buddy of mine who was who was a mayo doc, He said stay away from those which doctors down at Panama. He said it's like leprosy and banana boats and three Leggett dogs. You know I'm like: can we call him and so so Brad and I got on the phone to kneel and who else was it was a doctor pause or medical yeah? It was the two of these guys, so they're talking highfalutin terms, medical all be medicos, you know they sort of. They know what a mess in Carmel stem cell mess and come all. How do you say it missing? Missing? Come all. You know, and you know side kind.

Mesenchymal cytokines, you know outta sight, outta kind as far as I'm concerned, but it's like and they they give us wrist watch, show over the phone for about an hour and the doctors asking him questions that I can't even think of. So when we hang up, I said you know translate. What is all that mean things like? He translated a few things. He says you know it sounds kind of interesting, pretty good, you know and from being a naysayer, he said, let's call him back I think we call you right back and we spend another hour on the phone and to his credit. Brad Brad asked for a bunch of literature and I sent him. Maybe thirty articles and most physicians wouldn't even look at it, but it was all relevant to what Hut had, and you know, for the heart heart problems and any problems and orthopedic problems and he read all the articles and he read. He read the upside, the down side and the and then we had it to his crew.

Then we had a very educated talk after conversation in which he and he was he was really you know by this time informed and he he just said to me. Well, you know he's ninety two. This is what the hell are. You got to lose and I said now: nothing, let's go I'm up for it. We asked him. Is he a pretty good hell? Yeah 'cause he's. You know they took him into the hospital. He was ninety two and they said what medications you uh. He said, I'm not on any and they said you're ninety two years old. How do you account for not being on any medications is because I stay away from doctors and hospitals and you know- and he didn't have any problems he started to have a have a rough trip. Will we took him down there and he got, I think,

It was like a double dose in the hip. So where do you have to go? This is not legal in America. Is that what's going on right now, they're clinical trials going in the US, but it's not broadly available and in Panama they passed a law in two thousand and four, which allowed us allowed doctors actually to go down there to be able to treat people with using adult stem cells. So the bill was actually designed to prohibit the use of embryonic stem cells and in the same law they said it's ok a t use adult stem cells, including those from a vocal cord, basically from ethical sources, and so in Panama. They they gave us. We have a license from the Ministry of Health to manufacture and use those cells in addition to doing clinical trials there. So it's it's one place on the planet where you can get a really high.

All the umbilical cord, these this type of cell, the two major kind of stem cells. We only work with one condoms and Kamal, or we just call it a messy flood easier, and so anyway, that's that's the that's how I think we're actually we actually owned apartments in the same building in Panama, never met each other and met. We met through his brother, finding us on the internet and then you go, and then they brought him down to get treatment. We were quite hesitant to take him. You know 'cause. The last thing you want is melted MEL Gibson's, dad to drop dead in your, clinic, and he wasn't in great shape. You know so but he was in good shape at all. But uh, you know, as I recall when he got there. He was in a wheelchair and wasn't talking a lot and things like that and having pretty rough time, and and then uh. So, after getting medical clearance for him to actually fly down there and melt them down there, privately then we. We did some ivs on in first in the clinic and then to do the hip. We need to do that

did. Some of these would you mean so we give the umbilical cord these these isolated from the basically the the meat of the umbilical cord there isolated, then they're grown in our laboratory, which is you know, iso, nine thousand, and one and very high quality certified by the Ministry of Health. They're grown in the laboratory in their certified to be. You know, free of everything in in Canton Texas, Disease and and yeah. I wanted to clean rooms and they make it put on hats and gloves, and you know you feel, like all Frankenstein doubt you walker these cold rooms and you're Watchin cells divide under the microscope. Kind of miraculous, really look at this stuff feel so intravenous stem cells right, intravenous Oscar and what what's the benefit of intravenous stem cells like? What is that do well? The good thing is that this this trying to stem cell, the mesenchymal stem cells are found throughout your body and the normally what they do is they they modulate your immune system, they decrease, inflammation

and they stimulate regeneration so and the good thing about them is they tend to home to areas where there is inflammation so intervene. Basically, they do allow a lot of things, but they can home to areas of inflammation, and they really reduce inflammation in the body because they operate. You ate part of your immune system that that controls the inflammatory process. So I can talk more about it later, but in his case you know his kidneys were in trouble and his heart was in trouble and the cells they don't. Unlike what we I think in the early days they don't become anything. These kind of this kind of stem cell does not count become anything in your body, but it Most areas of that need repair and it's a Creech things that stimulates the repair and decrease the inflammation and helps out with immune system, so the vast majority we treat our autoimmune diseases and in hots case we gave him I be so that that he could basically have

these things on board sick reading the sick reading the side of coins in the growth factors that are normally sucree did and when you're, not you too, and you have multi organ failure, you're, basically running on fumes and so put these days. Zero young help the cells and they secrete these things that kind of restarts everything,

and so what was his response to this iv treatment? Well, I you know I could I could. I can wax lyrical about that he's almost a hundred years old and from pretty bad shape. It was like bee stings. It was like he got a new lease of life like he got a big dose locally in the hip, which fixed all is inflammation and pain in the star walking again and his kidneys were good and his hard hit up prolapse valves in there and they healed and his cognitive powers improved his eyesight, improved whoa. You know and other stuff improve that I he would hate me to talk about,

but he had two nurses that reported to me. It was like holy mackerel while using it as a towel rack you know well, Dan Bilzerian was tell me about intravenous stem cells is, and so is boss routing. You know bathroom and former UFC Heavyweight champion yeah. He went down and got some he's had some pretty significant neck injuries and next fusions, and he said he got intravenous stem cells. The way he described is like what is dutch acts as It was like I had lightning coming out of my fingers like wow. Did he go to you yeah yeah? He said it was phenomenal. I mean I said it's one of the most incredible experiences ever had the feel of a regeneration of of energy yeah, I wrote about it. I'd reach out to him by email. And he's in it just to see if you, if it be okay for me, to talk about him on here and he said yeah absolutely and you know it his his cholesterol dropped all his

numbers, you know the basically numbers associated with aging all got better an like. You said he felt this tremendous center for some period. Why is this not legal here? Well, it's considered to be a new drug by the FDA and that's the number one reason. There are four countries so far that have proved Ms Eproducts there's Canada in New. Zealand were the first to go to Canada and get this done well, not for only only for certain conditions so in Canada, New Zealand. They approved bone Marrow Msc's, which are, in my mind, are not as good as some umbilical cord and explain why, and then S Korea is approved in billable for knee osteoarthritis. Only so the cells have to be injected into the knee, and then Japan. Just recent,

we approved the same product that it's used to treat a very serious acute graph, acute graft versus host disease in children after they've had a bone marrow transplant now are there peer reviewed studies or anything that shows the efficacy of this intravenous use of the stem cells, the other? There are hundreds, three hundred and in my book Msc, which is you know, you don't want to read it unless you want to go to sleep and less you're. Looking for something you know it's just. It really is purely a research tool. We have eight hundred references and we reference every in trial. It's ever been done with Msc's in human beings and their eight hundred of them. Well, I've had some great results with stem cells. Dr Roddy Mcgee in LAS Vegas shot a bunch into my shoulder. I was at the door of surgery I was like, my shoulder is in pain all the time. I can't do a lot every time I do something. After I sit down for a day, and now I have full function. I mean

crazy. I mean I was little. I mean it still clicks. I've got some weird shit in there and there's probably some stuff floating around in there. But as far as like the function of my shoulder and the pain, it's like one hundred percent, I could do basically everything right yeah. I was five thousand seven hundred and fifty eight years old, and this is like what four five years ago and both my shoulders torn labrum's arthritis bone, spurs, rotator, cuff issues and I went down and I got ten million cells in each shoulder. I said to the dark in his is going to hurt nieces only when it comes out the other side, but he put it in and it was Filem pierced the capsule, and you could feel pressure and I couldn't flap my wings for three days but after that, no more problems, and this is different than the stem cells that you can get in the United States. Currently, yes, what's the diff, well because I had in common bill course. I had was a called: what's the kind that you can get here in the United States? Well, you can you the only thing, that's legally

legal in the the US at least for now. I don't think it's going to be last much longer is from amnion is from amnion there's an exemption in the it's a federal federal exams. And for the use of amnion for wound covering and a lot of people have now translated now they're using it in joints and things like that. But you know I think they're going to be able to do that very much longer. I don't believe so cuz this commissioner FDA, commissioner, has made it very clear that he doesn't like it and and they there. I haven't liked it for quite some time, because the exam shin is for one thing and and there's an ever and doctors are using it for all kinds of other things. I I don't necessarily agree with that. I just I just know: what's coming down the pike from a regulatory standpoint in in the you know, they've been some regulatory things have come out, they've gone after clinics and you know I think they've shut down three places in just in the last couple of months and they haven't gone after amnion yet, but I think they're building their case for it and unfortunately, that's what's going to happen.

Why would they go after it? That's what's confusing. If you seen all these benefits- and I haven't heard anything about negative results- yeah, I don't. I don't understand it myself to be on if it's. You know, ambience been used clinically in the United States for a hundred years without serious adverse events, but I think it's more for about the claims that people are making, because there haven't been studies, for example, of amnion you know me on tissue injected into a joint, and I think the the the biggest concern is. The claims are being made and maybe people are being born or Billy. You know right, I don't know so vulnerable to the economics of it. I'm I'm not really sure, but I I know that I think I I just got my finger on the pulse and and that's it seems like they're gone they're gone after fat. You know we were the first in the world to use factor of stem cells in two thousand and six and two thousand seven we published

on using those to treat room tore throughout its and and multiple sclerosis and then a lot of doctor. The US started doing that now it now there's an new guidance. Initially came out a few months ago. The specifically prohibits using it for, for example, taking your own fat isolating stem cells out of it and then injecting them in your blood stream or even a jack came into a joint so I don't. I don't really know the whole motivation behind it, but I know that they very clearly stated that that's not going to fly anymore, so the stuff you did for MEL shoulder. What? What exactly was that that's, basically a new drug product? could be considered a new drug product in the US and we are in clinical trials in the US we've already. We have to ion dies for the treatment additions, muscular dystrophy and we're just going to start as spinal cord

You try out University of Miami and and Thomas Jefferson University. We got funding from the Marcus Foundation. Bernie Marcus is one of our clients and he seems all these kids with spinal cord injury getting better and so our product is, we were able to figure out which cells work which which umbilical cords give cells that are really useful and which ones aren't. So we throw away the vast majority of the umbilical cords that we get. How can you tell? Well we. We had the advantage of having thousands of cases and I an example of one case of a football coach from Dallas, where I live, then he had diagnosed with MS. He was in, and out of, wheelchair was on. You know basically out, and He was out on disability and retired from a very successfully three time State Champion Texas. That's really saying something and he came

down in twenty ten for the first treatment and we gave him the treatment and he got much better improve for about fourteen months and then? He came back again in twenty eleven and gotten a treatment improved. Not as much is the first time and he came down two. One thousand and twelve an boom? All the symptoms were gone and now he's back coaching an he is completely normal, he's pry you know he's junior he's a bit younger than me, but he's probably healthier than the guy works out all the time he's out there on the field. He does have any heat. Intolerance didn't have any problems, so I wanted to know. What's the diff, between those cells in twenty, twelve and the ones in twenty eleven and two thousand and ten, and then we took other cases similar to that where we had less than spectacular results. There are still good results, but they weren't, you know boom, and so he took cells from those different lots and we grew them up, and then we had them analyzed for one thousand, two hundred different molecules that they express- and we found

that these cells. We we column are golden cells because they they seem to work all the time and we found they under expressed certain proteins and then so early on in the culture process, we can select for those and say hey. These are golden sells, these aren't throw mountain, so we throw throw a whole bunch out and we keep the golden cells and we grow those up and uh Those are the only cells that we use. So that's the big big difference. In the advantage we have is that we've had all those cases we have looked back retrospectively at which sells real, worked and analyze them from a molecular basis, and then now we can select using that. So when mail came in with a shoulder injuries, an MRI first, he add one, but we didn't do it there, but he had one yeah. You do follow up tomorrow. We did not now not have him. We will use a lot. We do a lot sales great. So you don't involve is good bother. It's like my dad was walking with that pain we rent. You know his hip was dissolved. He was doing okay,

wow, and so are you still no problems with the shoulder? How are you good to have that done? When was that I had it done twice, it was I did. I went eighteen months and then I started it started to return the symptoms of discomfort pain, and so I did it again and like it's been like a couple of years, almost three years, it's fine. Well yeah. I was really impressed with what I was able to get done, but the stuff that I wish I had Dr Mcgee tell me exactly what it was the stuff that he had done. Me about a year and a half ago, is no longer available. They decided that it was considered a drug and the they weren't allowing that form of amniotic stem cell treatment. So now is a less effective but still effective form, so it seems like, there is some sort of an effort afoot to diminish this in the United States yeah. Well, I think they just to control it and they want. You know they want it all to go through their deal and their prof.

But in the mean time, a lot of people are probably suffering from pretty significant injuries that they could deal with with that far easier, if it somehow another, be sped up, absolutely agree with that. So when did you start doing this down in Panama started there in two thousand and six, and just because of the regulations, We found about the regulations around two thousand and six and and we went straight there once we found that law, the law was passed in two thousand and four and then and we found out about it. We went down there and we built our lab out. We were actually functional in two thousand and seven, so it's we're having tenure anniversary. What's it like in Panama, never been to Panama? Is it weird seems like it's cool? Is it you like it? That's cool yeah, it's very it's real friendly with the US. I think that's the currency spend there is US dollars, or so it goes further.

We use US dollars, yeah yeah, these US dollars. I mean we, we kind of ran that joint for many years, until one thousand nine hundred and ninety nine, when they would get the canal back, and that was pretty much. The vast majority of the So we gave that back to them. Then they just kept the doll and it's been the explosive growth. It looks like Miami now. It's there I built the building I live in is seventy stories tall and it's not even the tallest building. You know so. There's our clinic is on the 63rd floor of a sixty five story, building or just full of high rises, and course there's little bit too much traffic. If you get that much concentration of people in one place, but fantastic restaurants, movie theaters Mall shop, the high end shopping malls, you name it. You got everything that you want down there and you know I'd love to spend time not to spend a third of my time down as friendly and its relative. You know it's not dangerous one now. So you have people that you that about you from United States and they find out about your

treatment and then fly down to Panama to get treated yeah. That's right, not not just the US, but the price. The majority of the clients are from the US, and then we have people from all other is around the globe. Do you anticipate this movement back to United States in any way, or is this something that the hurdles are so steep? That's going to take a long time I think we're going to figure out a way to do it, you know I think, ultimately we're going to do. It were you know just having we were the first to get into tree. A human being in the United States with the cells, and that was three and a half years ago with the young man with the chance muscular dystrophy. I'm a man of my other book, this, hopefully interesting to read it starts and finishes with his case. Were We were we traded him in Panama for a number of years, and then we just petition Fta, and so it's kind of ridiculous for us to do this down there. Please allow us to do it, so were you using the cells that we we isolated in expanded in Panama, were using it to treat

and another now a seven year old with the muscular dystrophy, so that was the first. Judge and then our next wedge is going to be for spinal cord injury, and there are a number of clinic Charles that are going on not not just out see you after a number go on the US. The biggest hurdle is that a new drug? If you look at the last several you there's cost two one slash two billion dollars to get to market and unless we do something a little bit differently on the regulatory side. It's going to be it's going to be kind of hard to do this Japan has a long for that went into effect two years ago. That basically allows you, for it allows you to let you demonstrate your product is safe. Then you can go ahead and start marketing it, and then you have seven years in which to to demonstrate efficacy, so safety. First then efficacy

and that's resulted in four four new drugs already and and less than two years, and we have zero zero cell. They don't they only sell product. That's that's approved by FDA is a bill cord blood for the treatment of bone. You do in a bone marrow transplant. That's the only thing that's approved now. Is there an argument for that, like they just being cautious, they want to make sure that there's no adverse side effects that could really be significant yeah. I think there is an argument there there's an argument that they want. They want to err on the side of safety. I mean that's our number one priority is to is to create a safe environment for receiving medicines in the in the United States. I I think model is a little bit a little bit antiquated for the cell products, just because they are natural products. I mean, if you think about it, every woman has ever given birth to a baby. They have stem cells from their baby in them these Msc's. You can find him fifty years later and they're not toxic,

and we wouldn't exist as a species. If there is an inherent toxicity to genetically distinct cells. 'cause, the cells are fifty percent mom, fifty percent dad and there you can find a in mom. You know for her entire life, so the and the Kears ACT was supposed to was supposed to address some of that and we'll see that went into effect last year and will see going forward if that actually does affect things now Oh, I know that they're doing some stuff in the United States, where they're injecting them into disks. This is a new thing to regenerate disk tissue for people that have degenerative disk disease and bulging disks and disk injuries and as an alternative to either artificial discs or fusion as a first step before they move into those. Do.

Do any land down there. We don't do any right now we're we're working with the hospital that we're we're actually going to we're going to have a a plus a room just for doing backs just you're just for doing spa line, because there are study the study out of Europe just came out a couple of months ago, and it showed about fifty percent of the patients had there disk become normal on MRI after treatment. So it's not every case, but I would I'd, take a five thousand and fifty shot versus having having Asian right yeah. So that's the same sort of situation, we're talking about where you're, injecting it right into the desks yeah- and you know you can in the United States. You know we have a clinic in in Dallas that the army, my clinic, where we we can do bone marrow right and and so we use bone autologous bone marrow and we do do disk in the United States and it does help a percentage of people then help every buddy and we were talking before about not just not just the disc but the

muscles around the disk. If you take somebody's had a injury, my partner doctor, orthopedic surgeon and he's been talking about this for years, but we take somebody with a disc injury and you look at the muscles right on the other side of the spine. There and you'll find with their withered away or their marbled with fat, and that sort of thing you take an elite athlete. So it's super hell, He works out all the time. Those MA so they're like they're like rope, so it's a filet mignon of the human body right and you look at that and they're just black on me right, but you take somebody. That's had a disc injured any level, you can look and there's marbling in there and it's withered and that sort of thing. So things we do in South Lake Dallas. Is we inject the disc, but also inject those muscles along the side and that's using your own bone marrow and that still allowed in the United States. So the bone draw, concentrate the stem cells injected

those areas that something that we were talking about earlier when I showed you the reverse hyper when I showed you that machine and then that decks back stretcher, I think that's uh ign, if again part of the injuries that you see with people with desks with back injuries, they don't have strong backs right there. There, the two issue the muscle around the back that protects the spine is just very weak right right, yeah, it's fantastic machine, I'm gonna get one yeah, you gotta get one you to mail, yeah. You got a crazy back to that picture. You showed me your back is fucking bananas yeah. No, it's like out of a nursery rhyme. I had done down in this is the bone marrow yeah. It now actually had that done it in Texas, yeah treatments. Have you had well, there was that one and then I had the shoulders twice and then I just had him drop it in

a vein you know just run around was that, like it's pretty cool, I mean you feel a little sleepy for a couple of days and then you feel pretty energetic, really sleepy yeah. I kind of I think it takes its toll. On the I mean, I don't know why you feel sleeping Neil may have an explanation for that yeah. Well, the two three days we hear the cells are getting kind of re, educate the immune system. A lot like a a lot of what we treat our room turn Stratus and multiple sclerosis, autoimmune disease is an there's, a retraining, that's going on in the immune system, and so that involve side of kinds and those molecules. Those peptides are the things that make you feel sick. I mean, when you get the flu, the flu virus, make you sick, it's your body's immune reaction to that, that's the stuff that's being thrown off from from the fight. That's what actually makes you feel sick, and so, when

your activating certain thank parts, immune system and and they're throwing up things to make you a bit tired. Some people, very small percentage, have some flu like symptoms for one day, but those are that's kind of like the extent of the the side effects that we typically see. But if you, if you look at like you ask why some being done us for rheumatic drugs. So, you see him on tv, they're advertised basically, every hour of every day, on almost every station you Cesana and an you you if you have rheumatoid try to see if you have psoriatic arthritis or this sort of thing. These are biologics in these are antibodies to a certain molecule called Tnfp Fs1 of the immune system. Mechanic says hey, let's, let's cause a bunch of infamy

Chin and make you miserable, and so these drugs basically bind up or stop up the Tnf. That's in your body for a period of time! That's why I have to get re, treat it like every month, every six months, every two months, something like that six weeks for two months and you have to get re trade in we did there's a study of room to arthritis where there was one hundred and seventy two people that were already on on medication for your throat is not adequate controlled. They gave them like the equivalent of what a typical dose given panama- is like roughly one hundred and twenty million cells and all of them got better. All them symptomatically improved, and the cool thing was that that alpha, and another molecule similar similar to it decreased by fifty percent, and that decreased persisted for eight one, slash two months that was linked to study so so rather than pudding, an antibody in to sop up what's being produced

apparently by your immune system. You, the so wells, tell your immune system to stop it right. The cells they upregulated, certain immune cell called T regulatory cell that says to the incident: hey quit, making Tnf Alpha quit quit making this I'll sick stuff, and they took thirty patient with the sub copart like three months later and gave him another shot, the same dose and a drop their levels. Another fifty percent from that baseline from from baseline to post. Second treatment to treatments to ivy be sitting in a chair drop their level. Seventy five! It just seems like something that would be amazing for overall repair like just go down there and let your body just get a little dose of healing to figure out what the fuck is

well talk about like we talk about something in Costa Rica, we were both there and I had you know they look to my neck. I had a fifty percent inclusion in the right carotid. You know like build up of stuff like like you, don't feel it happen and all of a sudden, you know all of a sudden when your carotid to shut down, they think well, you have to eat the statens right. Yeah, like Chris Store lipitor- and you know I look at what the side effects of those things are terrible. Yeah and I said I'd rather die than eat those things and they said well you and they try to make you feel guilty for not doing you got kids, you got only at, but it's a I don't have that stuff now and I didn't get anyone to going to remove it, and I don't know if I can attribute that to the cells, but I got a bunch of cells like twice and that went away now is the talk about that for a minute? Does that sort of it was just an inch

Your body, you have a certain number of these cells when you're born and they age just like the rest, your body and they they they perform, more poorly as you age right? So if you one of these cells from a newborn like when you were born. You could plug one of these cells out, throw it in a petri dish and let it grow you let it grow for a month. It divides roughly every twenty four hours, that's the doubling rate. So at the end of a month you have a billion cells and then, if you take from a thirty five year old and do the same thing, that sometimes like two days instead of one day and at the end of the month, have thirty two thousand cells and you from a sixty five year, old who's relatively healthy and they divide every sixty hours, you get two hundred cells at the end of the month. So if your problem there's a thousand cells or it's twenty thousand calls- or if it's a million cells, you can't get it done

past a certain age. Just because it sells don't have the regenerative capacity and the good thing about the umbilical cord cells. Is they if you coculture them with these older p? whole cells with the young cells? They don't have to touch each other. Just the secretions of the young cells will make the young the old cell start dividing faster and behaving yeah and the mitochondria to see pictures? And in my book you can see a picture of of cells from a sixty five year old Diabetic and without any with without any juice on them, and then you put the is from the young cells on there and they look like eighteen year old embassies with with so my account Ahmadi Kani, all throughout the cell body, rather than all bunched up. They have they look healthy. Just I mean as a cell biologist. I know it looks healthy and, and anybody else would you can- you can see just from the picture, how vastly different it is just to be exposed to the to the juice.

You know you is heard of this pair by Osis Study. They did a harbor where they took young mice in and it young my in they. So together with old mines and in the old, my sex, they got younger and that mean they use the blood of the young mice and put in the old bikes. Well, they live show them together, so their bodies together, so their bodies together and so their bloodstream together. So the blood is mixing, and so, the young, that's a Frankenstein should he pretty Frankie, but they So at the end, at the end of the study that showed that that that the older, the older mice got not there near, logic system got better. The cardiovascular system got better skill, the mostly got better everything got better and and one of the key molecules in there is called Gda f, eleven and Gdf Eleven is if we, when we look at the secret own, that's what these cells secrete when they're growing, and we pull that out. We quantify it in the top four.

Every time is Gdf eleven from the golden cells, so the golden cells are over producing eleven, which is one the key molecules for stimulating regeneration, your body one. What other audio moved diseases do, you think could be assisted by this. Well, we we do a lot of ms with our number one indication we just finished a clinical trial prospective clinical trial we submitted for publication should be, it should be coming out, in the next month or so and and statistically significantly, these patients improve dramatically and harsh side effect profiles. It is highly minimal in the field headaches and few few flu like symptoms things like that, how many people this is what twenty people and one of the one of the individuals actually is clinically, is perfect and all of his legions went away, and we only did in treatment with these. Typically with MS, it's more riff factories in rheumatoid arthritis,

this usually after one treatment people get a ton of benefit with MS. They usually see after two or three treatments that they they really they see the most benefit. We only did one treatment in this in this trial, but one gentleman had three lesions in his brain. All three lesions completely disappeared, so MS is thank Rheumatoid arthritis is. That is a big thing and I can tell you there's stories in the not stories but brief. You know people talking about with their response that it's pretty incredible. There's one lady that her husband, is a physical defenses. He carried on working just so she could afford just search could have insurance to afford the medications which around a hundred grand a year for her to get treated for rheumatoid arthritis and She came down about it'll, be if little over three Go November and she hasn't been on any medication sent. She actually started

walking around the mall when she was in Panama and then, when she got home, she's completely pain, free and she's, been paying free for three years, her husband, finally retired, because he didn't care about. You know having the insurance to pay for these very expensive drugs that she was taken. So Ms Church Arthritis Lupus don't. We don't have a Lupus protocol. There's there's a a group in China. That's that's published six really good papers on Lupus and very, very effective in in their trials. We haven't done it yet and then autism, you know it's not considered an autoimmune disease, but we have a trial we just completed artisan trial with three thousand three hundred and thirty. Three, enrollees with very good results. Many many of those kids became not autistic after treatment. That's confusing to me because you talk about people that are young right, so Why? Why would have such a benefit benefit for them? Well, I wrote an article in two thousand and seven about

the cell should be, should be good for autism and basically it it's the most downloaded article. This journals ever had and something like. Seventy five thousand people have downloaded a scientific journal, article which really doesn't happen very often, but the kids people with autism have inflammatory things going on in their body. A lot of times in the gut there are in the in the in the the small intestine. There are these inflammatory nodules that look a lot like Crohn's disease and they secrete these This information. The thing goes to the brain and finds the white matter of the brain. The white matter, brain swells, decreases the blood flow to the brain, all that Skinner Inter intertwined and then just a few years ago. There was a study that came out, and this is what this is, what allowed us to go forward with our clinical trial,

they found that there are two inflammatory molecules that are Mdc and park and they're perfectly correlate with the severity of symptoms of autism. And so we measured not only those two but another. Thirty, some biomarkers, we measure read a quantitative eegs. We did a lot of standardized scoring store, is a scoring with a neurologist that that read them. You know be before treatment during treatment after treatment, so I believe a lot of the problems with autism. Half that stem from the inflammatory status and these cells are definitely anti inflammatory they've had some benefit with changing the and changing the gut biome of kids with autism they've made some benefits for that which they think they believe is also connected to inflammation yeah. Absolutely if you're your immune systems, freaking out every time you eat a piece of bread and,

and that means system thrown out molecules their swelling your brain and inflaming your brain. That makes complete sense. Now. You know the the the I think in general, the the the the people with autism to do the best for the ones that get that addressed before they come down. You know, there's some other doctors that do functional medicine. They look at their diet. They look at see if they have any heavy metals, that sort of thing and the ones that just aren't slam docked to the back. I've been cleaned up before they come down. Well, so what about heart disease? You were saying you were talking about people that have heart issues. Yeah We have a number of patients with heart failure that have responded quite well armed failure, heart failure, so a heart attack need a transplant that kind of thing yeah. Yeah on transplant lists and that sort of thing yeah. So I have a friend who's a transplant list, yeah right. So there are diff kinds of heart failure, and so but then interest about heart failure: the cells don't need to go to the heart to

actually become new heart cells and that sort of thing it's actually the secretions of the cells, like I said before: There was a study at University of Buffalo where they took a cell hi v and enhancer model of heart failure and and then they looked in the heart and they're very few cells, but the heart failure got better. And then they sell its inject inject. Those same sells. These are in a simple pharmacies injection into the into the hamstring muscle. In a day, MR, the none of the cells came out, hamstring muscle and yet the heart failure out better. So then they took just the Jews, the liquid, that the cells secrete and the you start simulated the amount of juice that the cells would have produced in the body and just injected the Jews and heart failure at better. So it's really the. Creations of the cells, stimulating the natural repair augmenting the natural process of the body that has spin stretched to its limit. You know, if you,

sixty five year old. Those cells are dividing very well. This the juice can help the cells divide, faster and produce more parumala molecules and and make about city think that it could take someone who's on a heart transplant list and literally fix our heart. I've seen it happen time again, while in there there there there are clinical trials using similar cell types it also have demonstrated that you know there's there's a molecule called Bmp, which is high in heart, failure, the being He came down in every single case. The injection ejection fraction, which measures kind of like the efficiency. How much? How much blood your heart's pumping on Stroke went up in every single patient. You know, I think, in the book the craziest k, it was a. It was a gringo who was down in costa Rican and he he I don't know, he's his pride twenty twenty five percent routinely. We got a viral disease or something else needs eleven percent ejection fraction normal is about sixty. And the regular the regular

house bill, who work a lot with us for using with our spinal cord patients and seen results, seem people walking again they they just said you can't get on a plane you're at thirty seven her, for If you get on a plane, you'll be dead. You miles, go see these guys over the stem cell place. If see, if anything, I think his case in the book as well, but he went from eleven to forty two or something like that: he wasn't the first case. The first case was a doctor who's, a friend Georgie's non friend, doctor pause or medical director who had congenital. So his His mother had died, heart failure, his sister had died, his brother had died and he was you know not even fifty years old in his ejection fraction was hovering around thirty percent and a lot of people at a advanced age you're not gonna get on the list, because, if you're, if you're, a fifty or sixty year old and there's

twenty year old ahead of twenty year olds, going to win, and so he beg and beg to come down. He was our first patient. We didn't really want to take him cuz. If we didn't know what was going to happen cuz, nobody ever done it. We treated him and he went back and has had a ejection fraction an echocardiogram and it was fifty two percent and then the doctor didn't believe it. So he did read it in a month later was fifty five percent, so you know it's not it. I don't think it's for for every case meets at people with like a super. Bad heart attack is not enough to repair and you really need heart transplant, but I think I think you're going to see that. Ultimately, I I think Twenty years, our privacy standard of care for diseases, chronic diseases like any chronic degenerative disease, for which there is no good treatment. You're going to see standard cares, care is going to be young helping stem cells. Because if you look at the root cause, 'cause, they get a question a. How is it

How is that these things work for so many things? Well, when the root cause ' causes is a lack of or of those cells. Then it makes sense that replenishing those are brief. Restoring them with young, healthy ones could be a useful treatment, no MEL. This is so important to you that you want to come on talk about this. You want to let people know about that. Yeah. I think it's amazing and- and it seems a crime to be it. You know it isn't easier to do in this country, where you know we're gonna, Vance country him, and they should look a little harder at it. It's a mystery to me why it isn't the case, but you know hey. If there are places where one can go and get some help. It's good. I mean I know another, a gal she's, a good friend of mine. She tore shoulders up because she was like an athlete and she had her shoulders down and she got some dropped into her and it actually helped greatly with an autoimmune disorder that she had and then she was able to have kids. It was

That kind of thing you know, there's some really good animal data showing that you can inject the cells and you can take ovarian failure in reverse it and her case she she had an autoimmune disease and she was in unable children told that, from a very young age and after treatment, she got pregnant pretty quickly. This sounds almost too good to be true. This is almost like be sceptical, people that are listening to this right now, but like why this fucking shit cures, everything yeah yeah. It sounds like the old spook around the corner, good for moles holes and bulls on what you've got studies you mean you've got real trials to back this up and you've got a host of patients that are healed up and and and healthy, yeah

yeah only thing wrong with me when I go down there and shut up? Well, if you do you see a ninety two year old man who is about ready to kick the bucket and he's almost a hundred he's gonna celebrate one hundred years in August. So and this incredible he's he's better off than he was. Let me tell you yeah, this young guy with the the Suns once you just for you know this, the cells don't last forever. Is it also important point with the show it's a genetic defect, so they're missing a protein and these does go in this in animal models, the cells you're given to animal, they go into the muscle, and then they start Sikri that molecule that they're missing, but they only last for about four five six months and then the then they start maturing, and then the immune system clears and that's a real important point. You don't have with embryonic stem cells because they cause tumors and things like that. The gray thing about these cells- they don't cause tumors because they different

They don't want to be a baby they're just there to do their job, which is to keep homeostasis. Keep keep the the new system controlled, you know help with ridge. Generation. All that sort of thing I talk about that, but the embryonic stuff 'cause. I find this interesting. The embryonic step is full of weird anomalies, stuff right yeah. You know we a few of us got together and wrote an article when they finally put the clamp on the asked embryonic stem cell treatment and we've been saying for years that connect themselves are going to work because they want to become babies number one problem is they want to become babies? They don't want these cells, the cells that we start with they don't want to. Is the babies already born? These are they're, mature, they're missing and that's what they are and that's they're never going to be anything else, Where is the embryonic stem cells, the biggest problem with them? Is they always form tumors? They form Teratomas.

And so in order for them the functional you have to grow them out and if you want them to have MSE like qualities, you have to force them to become mncs, and then you have to make darn. That there aren't any the. If only takes one. If there's one left, then it's going to form a tumor. So that was the big problem that the x advance units three hundred thousand dollars a dose just to make sure that they didn't have one in am and then they weren't is beneficial and they've been monkeyed with in the lab from when they were embryonic and converted converting converted and then growing up grown up, huge numbers, and so they were market with. This. These cells, you know, have to monkey with, and they just do it. Naturally, you just take him out you can you digest on put him in a nutrient broth in the right temperature and humidity and oxen I was they just grow, and so the You know we wrote an article about embryonic stem cells. We called the the king is

king? Is dead? Long live the king because you know the the California, the California voters knee jerk three billion dollars towards embryonic stem cell work against the Bush. Mr restriction of spending money on embryonic stem cell research. It wasn't banned. Most people said All they said was we're not going to use taxpayer money federal taxpayer money to go towards that and what people heard was they don't want? They don't want progress. Well, what's happened. Is they at last count? I think they spent. You know. Two two and three quarter billion dollars. You got two hundred and fifty million dollars left and guess what they're studying now adult stem cells, they're studying courts themselves, studying his stem themselves. They've completely cut out everything on the embryonic side because it just took that, and there was so much information out there and now, thank God, it's gone and

read, regain our sanity, but we blow up blew Lana Del on on the whole embryonic, it was a lot of money and then we paid as taxpayers in California for that you know because people are misinformed. So if a person is listening to right now and they've got some issues what's the first step, they should well, I say guys, got a blown knee and is thinking about getting surgery. Well, they can, in our website is cell medicine, cell medicine, dot com for Panama? If you know, if there's, if it's some they can be addressed with bone marrow in the US. Are my clinic dot com? That's our bone marrow is is not as effective. Well, it can be. It's it's hard to say, because everybody's bone marrow is different. Your age is different. You know if you're a five years old, even if you're sixty five years old and you're a smoker or you're diabetic. I don't think it's worth the

using your bone marrow because it's just not going to do a lot, but younger younger people, healthier people a lot of times. You can. You know when it's in a joint, because that's the only thing we can do in the US is orthopedics right. But if it's an orthopedic problem, then you know they could check out, see it see. If they could, you know we could do some form in Dallas if it's orthopedic n need systemic treatment for autoimmune disease, if you have a spinal cord injury or ought any of those conditions in the go to sell medicine, cell e medicine, dot com and that's where we have, all the information there and they can fill out an application doctors get back with them and get in the system. Now, how difficult is to go down to Panama and get treatment like how do you schedule that? Well, that's! That's all taken care of there's a whole team of people that do that. The only thing is, you need a passport and there's no visa required. Anything like come on as a flight from La six hours way, far E. So it's like it's like going to Miami. It's like two hours, yeah. It's actually two lit

over two hours from Miami, so this goes this way EAST is almost due. S of Atlanta is closer to New York right yeah, it's five hundred and fifty five New York. Presently soul, sell medicine dot com. They go there contact you now do they need to have some sort of a consultation with a local doctor, an mri or anything like that before they go to see yeah that they need to have a diagnosis from physician for what they have. And then you know that we have a team of doctors there and they'll talk to them and see what they need. They need any other information, any other. You know x, razor realize or whatever they felt they'll sort all that out. This is all fascinating, stuff man and never thought about going to Panama. Until about an hour ago now, I'm thinking of taking a trip be there in six hours. It's worth it. I just want to feel the intravenous stuff I want to

the bathroom was talking about the lightning bolts coming off my fingers he's a little dramatic yeah he's. Definitely dramatic. I wouldn't say that to his face. I would, with a smile only but yes, you, when you treated him, he was going through some pretty significant issues with his neck yeah yeah. What what benefits? Eighty five not for that. Well, I you know, I don't think for his neck, it it. We were unable to get the cells there and I don't know if there's enough left, you know its what you shall see, what it is yeah I mean if you had there's nothing. If there's nothing structurally, to do anything but a talk about. You know: hair loss, these cells work for her loss and yeah. They do pretty good job, but you can't grow. You can't grow grass on concrete in IRAN. You can't

you can't stimulate a nerd regrow? The tell you there's? No, it's not even a thread left right. He he didn't get it. I don't believe you get any benefit from his as accident problem, but he you know the the metabolic benefits for fantastic form and and in the wise and things like that. Yeah he is one of one of his issues is that he has some atrophy on one of his arms because his nerves in his neck were being pinched and for a long time, and he didn't dress a quick enough and it got to the point where is shrinking and that's one the so I went down there. Did you experience any benefit from that? I don't believe he did now. That's a tough one right, ation of nerve. Well, especially, really long time out, you know for the Oxford like for spinal cord injury. We did a we did a cohort analysis and and basically, if, if they're within one year of injury, one hundred percent of one hundred percent of the patients address duration of some neurologic function it was between

one two years is eighty two percent. It was after two years. It was fifty percent, So the longer it is in the in and also the older, you are the less month you have left the reason these cells work for spinal cord injuries. They don't become spa, they don't become nerves or anything like that, but the spot court is money, most replete, most replete areas of the body when it comes to blood vessels, they're just barely enough blood vessels keep a in your liver, on the other hand, has just tons of blood vessels and your liver. You can cut a percent, your liver out and will regrow itself with your spinal cord just kind of doing a little bit. But repair itself. That's because there's no blood vessels and therefore they no Msc tour very few Msc's. So one hundred the Irv embassies reside in your spinal cord, because we built this wonderful cage around it to protect it, and so all we're doing is we we shoot the cells in the we also give him ivy in the cells secrete the things that are necessary for this for the spinal cord.

Generate itself, but the longer it is from injury, the more scarring there is, and all that sort of thing the less benefit you're going to see. So Do you anticipated time where they'll be able to regenerate spinal tissue or someone who's got a spinal cord injury where they have partial or some sort of paralysis, and they can be able to regenerate that? I do and we I have many cases that it's already happened, really yeah like what cases. Well, you know more and Carlos Maria is a commercial pilot from Costa Rica, and he was one day fly When is national geographic photographer round in his private plane and a pancake, and both of them got spunk injuries Jc, you say: pancake mean crashed, crashed, plane, yeah yeah, they were front of volcano is like some crazy. Guns and stuff, and it just it just dropped out of the sky and landed on the ground, and he had he had no function

no no, no sensation below the injury. Basically, from his belly button down had no erectile function, no bowel function bladder function, any of that stuff, and you know the first time we them and how are you treating him going? Ivy sells an intrathecal so into the spinal fluid, so the first, the first round a treat after that, his his biggest is his. He had he described as like a ten out of a ten pain scale. So we had this narrow path, pain. That was just like. He was shoveling down narcotics like nobody's business and he after the first. Treatment. He didn't get any restoration of function or anything, but his pain dropped from a ten two A3, and so he got off the narcotics. Then the second time we treated him. He got his left leg bag and he could move it and how long after the treatment we started train him six months and three days after his accident and then so he got. The first round of treatments was in the first month

and it was about three months later. We did the second round. Three months later he got his right leg back and then three months later was over about a year at fifteen month period, probably in total he basically got eh think back you got erectile function. You got bowel bladder all that sort of thing, and you know I just just had dinner with him, the other night in Costa Rica, and he can walk in here and he got his commercial pilots license back in. We started a new business and you know he has one hundred percent he's. I would say one hundred percent ' 'cause. He does have a bit of a limp, but he broke his leg when he was four wheeling, so fucking maniac. He can't get enough. This is just before. After the accident he broke his leg, we got all better and then he was perfectly fine and then he goes out and four wheeling and breaks his leg so yeah, so he was one hundred percent. Then he fucked himself up again, so he it's a little bit but but most people. I don't know that he ever had a spinal cord injury. You know dancing

readable, so you feel like with conventional treatment. That guy would still be in a wheelchair, yeah, absolutely yeah. I mean he was that he made zero progress so we're designing this study at my aunt that we're doing at Miami that in front of other markets. People there to Newark neurosurgeons that are on that. So we wanted ok we're discussing what at what time point should we accept him, and these very prominent neurosurgeon said: let's do six months, because at six months you got ninety eight to ninety nine percent, back everything you're going to have. So let's do patients or subject matter from six months to two years, and so that's the and criteria that the timing that we're going to do for this study at Miami this is phenomenal. So it is that study, published online is or anything were, or this case rather publish on my cases. Posts online yeah absolutely would represent my book. It's it's on. You have to it, yeah it what's reference in both books, but in the spinal cord chap

so stem cell therapy. Rising tide is the one that it's written for layperson here, yeah that that it. So it's reference in there in the whole story about one Carlos in in his. You know his journey and you know how you got started and and everything's in there, as well as a reference to the published article that in a scientific journal about his and then Msc is the one that you read. If you want to go to sleep or if you're super nerd exactly exactly and tell Madison dot com, the website cell Madison, DOT, com, listen man! This is fantastic stuff, and I mean I'm very intrigued. And I really I hope, people that have issues can reach out to you and and try to see if you can get some treatment and if I would love to hear back from them, I mean what what happened with you and what happened with your dad is just incredible and the stuff that

of experience in United States seems like it's not nearly as potent as the stuff that you're using down there and I've had some pretty dramatic results. So it's incredible stuff cool! Tj Dillashaw, says hi, you know teaching yeah, he came down there and uh yeah. It came down there like three months before the last fight and he got his bell have done Well, yes, he he told me, I could tell you everything is okay, he got ivies and he got a shoulder down because he this is shoulders really bottom, so that was that was it and he and I went out of and to get all that done. Yeah. How did you find out about him or how did he now rather hear frankly, I don't know maybe bars or somebody else, one way else in that we've had a few anime guys, and I ask him in Bosnia. He both said that is ok to talk about it. I'm going down there, yeah listen man was a real treat real pleasure. I'm so fascinated about this stuff because of my own personal experience with the you know, the

limited amount of stem cell treatment that I've gotten, but I've had great results. I had a knee injury that was bother me forever. I don't feel it at all anymore, the shoulder does bother me at all anymore. I mean it's it's pretty amazing stuff and from what you're saying I'm getting a very watered down, not nearly as potent version of what you have in Panama, wow okay, so cellmedicine dot com and then the books then our Msc say that again, Mezil mesenchymal stem cells, incable stem cells and stem cell therapy, a rising tide, MEL Gibson. Thank you. Much thanks Greenspan in here appreciate it. Alright, fucker, Read it to this. Look it up get healthy. Thank you. Everybody for tune into the podcast and Thank more sponsors. Thank you, too. Movement watches get fifteen. Turn off today with free shipping and free returns by going to mvmt dot com, Slash rogansweet,

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