Tulsi Gabbard is an American politician of the Democratic Party serving as the U.S. Representative for Hawaii's 2nd congressional district since 2013.
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Listen to her talk many times online and very impressed with her, and I wanted to sit down and talk to her. I was even more impressed with her in person. Please give it up for Tulsi Gabbert the Joe Rogan experience podcast in the house- good to see you nice thanks for doing this thanks for what a great place to be a Congress person, the best you're in Paradise, yeah it's hard to leave to go to Washington, I tell you what that's one place if it wasn't for the storms and the fact that it's really a volcano yeah we've seen all too evident just recently I have a friend who goes to the big island every year for thanksgiving. He convinced me to go two years in a row. It was awesome. I loved it, but then this year I might didn't know bro seems like it's,
shooting rocks into the sky and a half of its on fire. Yeah, that's been, that's it! So that's my district. My district in Hawaii covers basically the whole state, except for the densely populated urban corridor, Appanna Loop, so you're lucky. Yeah help. You cover everything except the problem, spot the city, this city. So now it's been tough. It's been a tough year because of those folks in the the Bruno, the volcano, the volcano. We have gone through two near misses with hurricane some big flooding on Kawaii, and now we've got another one. That's knocking on our door, just us. What was it a level four just passed? It was five. They were expecting it to be kind of the same intensity that Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands saw so we were really like
encouraging everyone to get prepared, getting prepared ourselves like boarding up all the doors and windows, and then thank God, it turned into a tropical storm at the end and had some lot of rain. We still had some flooding but compared to what it could have been. There are fortunate and then on top of that, you guys have false alarm, where text went out to everybody in the island saying that a nuclear missile was headed your way, and this was not a drill what the hell happened there that my gosh I was in Washington when that happen, as a Saturday afternoon Ish in DC time early morning in Hawaii and somebody from Hawaii. A screen capture of that alert that way not to vermilion cell phones across our state, saying you know, ballistic missile, headed towards Hawaii, seek cover. This is not a drill. Wow yeah
I feel, like I mean till you find out, how long did it take before you found out that it wasn't real? I immediately started thinking, I mean so many things running through my head. I'm thinking about my parents, my husband, my family, everybody's in Hawaii, starting about What's going on in the state, is this real? Is it not real, so that was kind of the first thing like I kicked into gear? I okay. Let's, let's make sure this is legitimate. The actual threat North Korea is a very real one, so it could very well be. It was not obvious that this was just a mistake that people should blow off, and that was what I think most of the people in the state understood as, I started thinking through. What do we do with the last minutes of our lives so I called the first person I called with our state adjutant general, who is also the head of our civil defense in the National Guard and called his cell phone? Thank God. He answered the phone and I said I got this message. What's going
on he said it's a false alarm. It was sent out as a mistake. I said, okay I'm a blast that out so I got on Twitter and I put that out just saying hey. This is not accurate. I forget exactly what I said, but basically this is a false alarm and then just start getting on the phone making as many calls as I possibly could, but, as I was doing, that I was getting text messages and emails and things from people who were freaking out. How far is Korea from Hawaii uhm it's over? thousand miles, but that's not very far for for an intercontinental ballistic missile Ann. Knowing progressively just over the six years that I've been in Congress, and this is a major issue that I've been bring up since I've been there in just raising the
alarm bells that North Korea is increasing their capacity and their their ballistic missile capabilities that put Hawaii closer and closer than reach. Hawaii and Alaska particularly and that's why you know, and and after people started getting the word that is false alarm. I started hearing from folks who share their stories of what they went through and you the news they showed. The guy was lowering his daughter down a manhole on the side of street is little girl- oh god. I heard another guy who said that you know I had one it in town in Honolulu and another kid in why over an hour drive- and he literally sat there thinking How am I going to choose which child I'm going to go and spend the last minutes of my life with cuz you're, either driving in one direction or the other you're, so many so
stories of happen. Guy pushed clicked on the wrong on the wrong, alert message on his computer. So it's automatically what happened the one that said this is a drill. Did you like no glasses on or something or was it just there's so many theories, and his story has changed a few times and, of course, the subject of major investigations and while he got fired he's actually suing saying he was wrong, terminated and almost going on and if ever there was something you could be fired for should be wrongfully terminated. For that mistake. That's my question. I understand the magnitude of your decision. I mean that that is a giant up. Yeah, oh my god, but there it is. You know, I think it. It really woke people up. There were clear vulnerabilities in our state.
Alert system. That would even allow this like allow one person to have that power to do. That is not obviously not good. And so there are things that we're working to strengthen our civil defense alert system, but also just to bring it Jim to North Korea and and make it so that people aren't living under this threat of possibility that that could be a real thing in that alarm could come through your four on and know that you now have around eighteen minutes to find good cover or say our final goodbyes it's so scary, because it's such an erratic and dangerous regime. That means, when you see what guys already done and the people he's executed, including family members. Yeah, I mean he's a quite a maniac in a Jitam it dictator in the old world kind of sense. It's very strange that he still, I mean you think in the age that we live in. That would be very difficult to control
tire country, the way that they've controlled, N Korea for so long since the korean WAR, but yeah they still can do it, they are, and I think that, while it easy to write him off as a maniac. There has also been a very consistent that there has been a consistency throughout the different regimes of the Kim family as they've developed this nuclear and nuclear missile capability. In that, they are doing it to protect themselves against regime change war essentially, and they have set it directly of our US foreign policy expert. Point that out that this is the reason why they're developing this capability, because they have seen how. If you look at
Libya, for example, when Gaddafi was looking at you know, building in acquiring nuclear weapons. He was doing so also, as you know, to protect himself in his regime, and then he made a deal with the United States. Saying: okay, give up your nuclear weapons program and we're not going to you know, don't worry about it: we're not going to and then, of course we know what happened. The USS led this regime change war toppled, Gaddafi and and North Korea says okay. So that's what you do when you have. You know a leader of a country without nuclear weapons to protect them. Well, it's also the consequences of that. Change is a failed state and it's more terrifying than even when open control mean, I'm sure, you've seen the the slave trade video, from there fine insane, it is
refine your watches and they need to be right in in our lifetime yeah, and that this this this failed state has happened as a direct result of our policy. There are failed continuation of these regime change wars that we carry different parts of the world right. It's almost like. We don't learn from our mistakes and I don't know what the proper Lucian. Is I mean, do you keep someone like Saddam Hussein or someone like Moammar Qaddafi? Do you keep them in power and let them still be horrific dictators and evil maniacs, or do you step in and cause more damage? I mean it's almost a lose lose situation, it's yeah, it's not a good situation, but it's where we as the United States need to be pragmatic about the situation in the fact that live in the world that exists, not some kind of idealistic world. That is a fantasy and then think about how counterproductive
or acting as the world's police has been has proven to be an example after example, after example, yes, there are bad people in the world who do horrifying things, but is it really in our place go in and take action and say: okay, we're going to remove this person and then we're going to put this person in and this is how you're going to govern this country and and really act acting as the world's police and therefore and then, as a result, as we've seen in Iraq and Libya, and now in Syria, the people in those countries are far worse off than they were before. We have and and counterproductive for our interests as well, because we have Al Qaeda. Asus these other terrorist groups, who have been strengthened directly as a result of our policies in these countries. When you talk to people in the intelligence community, what what did they
Thank I mean are off the record or on the record. What do they think is the solution for situations like that Any of them are hesitant to to share their own opinion because, especially in the intelligence community, their job is to report on what they're hearing, what they're gathering the intel that they're bringing in and so on and so forth. But you know what, when you, when you talk with folks who are great in that space, the ones who are honest and not trying to further. Specific agenda. Gender cover somebody else's bad decisions. There is a recognition of how our policies of of the past decades have failed people in those countries and us they failed, but have they failed as bad or equally bad as if we did? If we did nothing worse,
worse for sure. Yes, yes, worse, for the people in those countries worse for the people in those countries as well as as as we should be thinking about before we take any of these actions is how does this best serve the interests of our people in this country, and these actions have been counter to those best interests your question about, so why do we keep doing this um? I think there are a lot of different things that go into that and to drive that you know you have the military, industrial, complex, that benefits and makes a lot of money off of our being in a in a perpetual state of war. You have a lot of other countries like Saudi, for example, who dumped a lot of money into the United States and and kind of
try to use RUS military as they are forced to go in and do certain things. The Middle EAST that's more beneficial to Saudi Arabia. We see this happening in Yemen right now yet another example interventionist war jumping in there, we supporting Saudi Arabia and their coalition in this war. That's he the worst humanitarian disaster in the world. They just bombed school bus and killed forty kids a couple of weeks ago in Yemen, yemeni civilians bombed, weddings in Yemen and yet RUS government is not saying: hey we're going to stop and yank all of our support for cyber either, but they are continuing to do it you're a veteran as a vector did you mean you you've served our country, you've put yourself in harm's way. You were a part of the military, but there
so many people that are making these decisions that have not done that. Yet do you think that's part of the problem? Yes- and that was that was one of the main reasons that I ran for Congress in the first place. Having come back from my own deployments, the Middle EAST at the Hawaii Army, National Guard experiencing and seeing first hand the cost of war, both on our troops on our friends who didn't make that trip home with as well as on the people, the people in these countries where we were- and I came back in and saw the the cavalier attitude that a lot of politicians take to making these decisions, and- and I worked in a medical unit in my deployment to iraq- we or in a base about forty miles north of Baghdad and
Our base, where we were was nicknamed mortar, Rita Ville because of the constant, almost daily mortar attacks and everyday part of my job was to go through a list of all of the american injuries and casualties. That had happened the day before to try to see if there were any of our close to three thousand Hawaii soldiers who had been hurt and to then make sure that they were getting the care they needed either in country or get him evacuate as quickly as possible, and just going through going through that list name by name every day whether there were people on there who I knew personally or you know, people who I would never meet and knowing about the family, members and loved ones. Mom
add kids at home, who were I'm stressed out everyday, fearing getting that phone call that their loved one that had been hurt or worse killed in action and I wondered then you know How many of these politicians who make these votes and who make these decisions actually think about this or Hulu sleep on this? you think. A solution to that would be mandatory military service for people who are in those positions. I don't you don't I think the solution, because, as a soldier, I don't you know, I don't want somebody in my foxhole doesn't want to be there for her. So I think it's a you know having an all volunteer force, which we have is a positive thing. I think that the american people need to impress upon their leaders the importance of taking these decisions very seriously that if they want to represent and
represent the american people and make these decisions for our troops and for our country. They need to understand who pays that price for the cost of war? And yes, it is every one of our service members, both those who paid the ultimate price, as well as those who come home with both visible and invisible wounds and will continue paying that price for a very long time to but also every one of our communities filled with people who may not have worn the uniform but who had end of dollars taken out of their wallet to pay for these counterproductive, interventionist wars? as we weeds in Hawaii, for example, struggle to put air conditioners in schools where kids are trying to study and over hundred degree heat. As we deal with massive infrastructure problems people in Michigan, they just shut down the water system and a bunch of schools in Detroit because they have led and poison in the water for the kids. So the kids are not able to use the
fountains at school? So we have a major infrastructure, major challenges and issues, and so may being sure that leaders are held accountable for the decisions that they're making is ultimately what needs to happen. One I like about you and one of the things we talked about. A lot of your interviews is your of an obvious genuine person like if you're, not genuine, I'd, be very shocked that a rare so when you're talking about these politicians and having these people being held accountable, it's a real problem one of the problems with politics and one of the problems with public speaking and being charismatic is a lot of these. People are just really good at being full of shit and because I'm really good at being full of shit, alot of slack jaw dumb dumbs out there, by into it hook, line sinker wave that flag and kiss those babies and they vote these dummies in the office and this and time and time again so saying you need these people need to be aware of the consequences for that. To be held accountable. I firmly
believe there's more sociopaths, and we really think I really do. I think if you look at General consensus is something like what is it one out of one hundred or something like that. What do they think it is maybe more. I think it might be ten percent I think there's a lot of people that get through life. Doing things and getting away with things and not doing things that are going to cause them either danger or social consequences, but they, but they managed, get through life with a song and a dance but they're not genuine? I think this is a giant problem with people that want to be in a position of power in the first place. Yes, Why would they like? What does a guy like Donald Trump, want to be the fucking president, when you have billions hours in the bank, like what are you doing? Why are you doing that? Let's there's a motivation that a lot of these people have and that motor Shin is to be the uber. You know to be the king to be the top of the heap to be the queen. Whatever it is, I don't know how you change
that, in those people, I don't think making them aware of the consequences of their decisions, is gonna work eat it there too, it's just the type of people who they are in the first place. I don't yeah yeah? I think you're not wrong. However, I've just seen over the last few years, the level of awareness amongst people amongst voters has been increasing, as there are more and more kind of non mainstream media outlets that are shining light on these kinds of issues and How do you say non mainstream? So do you think mainstream have been holding back. I think that especially, I think that you only get a certain narrative right and it depends on it. Changes based on what channel you flick to or whatever, because if you vary in that narrative, then you get less access, uh yeah, I guess you could say that
to get less access to the people that you want to have on those shows, because that's how you get your ratings in the first place, yeah yeah I mean- and that's that's the problem with these with a lot of these news channels- is Is it is driven by ratings and if you're, bringing in differing viewpoints and differing perspectives, I don't know maybe it affects their ratings, and I don't pay too much attention to that. But I do know that when you look at do guys like Jimmy Dore, for example. You know Jimmy Dore talks about a lot of things that you'll never hear. If you flick on the tv on the on the cable news channels and has very interesting conversations, I can bring fac different things to life that people don't otherwise feel like they have access to well, there's way more of that today than there ever has been before, and that's where I see there's opportunity and because the more people are learning like holy crap. This is what you're doing. This is the consequences of those decisions, because there's a ton of votes that happen every single day in Congress that most people don't know about
unless you're really following it closely yourself that that, in itself of itself is a job that that you know CNN, MSNBC, Fox NEWS, they're, not covering so Really. A lot of kind of these alternative sites and voices are coming through that are helping to helping to inform and educate people yeah the the idea of trying to educate politicians on the consequences and what that what that really means, then this the cab, added attitude that you were talking about like? What's the worst example that like when you when, We're talking about cavalier behavior by these people that make these decisions like what kind of things have you seen uh or speak to something that happened most recently. I think they're, probably number of examples, but just a couple
once you go in the big defense authorization bill that that is kind of one of the the the only must pass piece of legislation in Congress every year there was a a three page per and that was kind of put in there without really any debate in the committee, or anything like that. That would essentially authorized the United States to go to war with IRAN that you would think something like that with that magnitude would be kind of a big deal. You would want to have hearings. You would want to have you a question on strategy of jacked is cost like all of these different things that didn't happen. So when Bill came to the floor of the house where all four hundred and thirty five members of Congress have the ability to vote yes or no. I just put in an amendment that would have deleted those three pages from this big thousands page bill, and, and basically those provisions said that
Congress is authorizing the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense to create an implement a strategy to counter IRAN not just common hey, bring us your strategy and let us talk about it and see whether or not we agree and improve. It was giving the power to the Secretary of State and secretary of defense to create and implement a strategy to counter IRAN extremely dressed in a blank check to essentially start a brand new war that currently has not been declared. I introduced this amendment and if you want to take guess on how many people voted for it, six thousand and sixty. Why wouldn't they? Why would they want that blank check there are some people who legitimately do want to do want us to go to war with IRAN, who are those people can often name
there. There there are, I would say it's a bipartisan feeling, and why do they want that? because IRAN they they feel that IRAN is a threat to both the United States and Israel and IRAN is and has been for a long time. They feel a menace. I guess essentially and our enemy, even though Congress has not declared war, even though you know we are our just signed a nuclear deal to make it so that they can't build a nuclear weapon uh it's it gets to a point where it seems like hysteria, but again it's not based on an actual thinking through tactically and strategically and responsibly what we are we doing and what our policy is. Are you one of the younger people in Congress yeah? You could say that there's there's a handful of us who are under forty, not many small handful and.
Is that I mean you're a person who would you thirty seven view you're not allowed to ask ladies usually, but you congresswoman. Politicians are an exception. I guess. Let's everything has to be on the table if we have to be a certain age to run for office, so you know right wow, you have to be to be president. Thirty five phones, you can get in there yeah. Out about it. So you know, a lot of you know means a lot of people have been, especially with everything that's going on, have been kind of urging me too, to consider it yeah, I'm I'm focused on home and focused on Hawaii right, one do my very best to be able to serve them and our country and uhm yeah. This seems like it's too much work to it.
It seems like too much it's a lot. It ages, the out of because those those more pictures are always falling interest singer, because George Bush is one of the weirdest once whoa and bomb a bomb was a rough one too yeah yeah. I mean it just us all right, there's no getting away from that and if Doesn't then they should probably rest traveling not to from the monster the close us from yeah I mean it's a you're in a crazy business. Thing to to that point. Just talking about that. How few younger members of Congress there are
one of the things that I did when I first got elected. I started something called the Future caucus and it was a bipartisan kind of millennial, focused caucus, saying that we as a generation recognize the need to work together to drop all the partisan, hyper, partisan crap. That is tearing this country apart and focus on solutions and actually solving problems. And so you know, different people have come and gone in Congress, but I think what's what's exciting. Now is that there is a a lot more the interest and activity. I think from young people in this country who may fall in different places, an ideological spectrum of politics, but recognize that you know, there's no reason why I should give my voice to someone from another generation who has no idea what are oranges are or the challenges that we will face from the decisions they made an left behind When I see someone like Jeff Sessions- and then I see someone like you- obviously you're different-
You know different realms of the ideological spectrum, but there's a big difference between someone who formed their view of the world while the that was active and that's you versus this crazy old asshole who thinks that people smoke marijuana or bad people. I mean there's uh It's a weird thing. When you see some of these old guard, they are there. Look the past, but yet they're still in the position of power and control and there making these decisions based on this old world. That really doesn't exist anymore, and there are so many ways that that actually has a very real impact in. I think the some of the hearings that we've seen most recently dealing with Facebook, twitter and Google or perfect example, where you have people asking questions, and it becomes very obvious quickly. Yes, they don't. They don't know how to log into Facebook right we've never sent it to eat in their lives. Some of these people are v,
a proud that they either don't have a cell phone or they still have a flip phone, which is fine. If that's your personal decision, that's fine, but if, if you're the regulatory body that should be exercising oversight over how technology rapidly changing the world that we live in right, you got know some, about be surround yourself with people who do, especially when it pertains selling people's privacy or using exactly people's data to influence elections and using you know the stuff that's been happening with Facebook is even more strange. So I don't know how you stop like there was a fan Astek NPR podcast about these russian troll farms about their jobs. People show up for work and their job is to spread Miss information and propaganda. You know about whatever
subject is what whatever ideological point they're trying to push through, but they're trying to influence the way people look at things in there targeting people's comments, sections in news feeds and twitter feeds and trying to do some thing that injects ideas into people's mine And sways their perception in their point of view, and it's very strange when you think that a foreign country is doing this and that people from a foreign country that this is actually a job so mother, but there must be some sort of a reason for this and then, when you see those people that are questioning what's his name, Facebook Zuckerberg, not Jeff, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Sucker Burg runs NBC, CBS Right, but NBC now is it yeah now, CNN now Jeff that are very good. All the anyone under the name Zach what a strange name but soccer birds. You know he
so guarded in that as well. Yeah that I'm I'm I I almost wanted to go, hey stop! This is not you man. Where is the real you? This is we the way you're sipping water in your the we are talking to people so odd. These are of it all yeah, some of my friends, committee, who actually are under four Years old, who are members of Congress and who prepared- and you know when in and we're asking some tough questions- we're very frustrated just 'cause, they didn't feel like they were getting. They were actually getting answers. First of all, lot of a lot of kind of league do you circles and that kind of thing and I and when you're when you're talking about and and there's so many I don't know I've kind of going in a
different directions here, with with the social media giant's, how they're being misused to further certain agendas in different ways. But when you're talking about like these russian troll farms that year that you mentioned what is missing from all of the news coverage around this and all of the outrage about how this foreign countries trying to influence our elections, which is wrong and which the american people need to be aware of where this information is coming from, is the fact that we understand. Why does somebody do that? Well, because this country does want to um influence who were electing right yeah. I would rather work with this person. We know that person is not gonna, be nice to us. The United States has been doing this for a very long time sure in countries around the world, both overtly and covertly
through through these kinds of disinformation campaigns, not not even counting like the outright regime change. Wars were going to physically take you out, and I think it is uh very hypocritical for us to be discussing this issue as a country without actually being honest about how this goes both ways. So, yes, we need to stop these other foreign countries, and Russia is not the only one. There are others from trying to influence the american people in our elections. We also need to stop doing the same thing: the countries yeah without doubt I'm but there's also. There were the questions. What is Russia trying to achieve like who? Why do they want someone like Donald Trump in office versus only Killer Clinton like what is to be gained, and in how much you know I mean how much do they benefit from that yeah? This is what's really
one of the big questions going on right now, yeah with all the russian hearings in the Mueller Investigation and trying to get to the bottom of all this and why they did what they did and what they did in in their smell. People that are blowing this off and they think that it's important and you know the President's claiming it's a witch hunt, but it's very- now that we're having this conversation in the first place, it's never existed before in any single presidential election. There's never been talk of us or any politician, that's running for president being influenced by a foreign superpower before today. It's just amazing that it took until two thousand and sixteen before this, I'm a real issue. That's true! That's true! There's talk about Hillary in uranium and all kinds of other different issues, and you know I mean I'm, I'm I'm not a giant Hillard fan, and one of the reasons why I'm not, as I just think, she's a politician, you Know- and I don't think, she's a genuine person. I just don't, I think, to a level of lying and the way they conduct
I'm selves the way they've been doing it for so long that it they don't even think it's a bad thing. It's just a thing you do but one of the weirder ones that I ever saw from her was after the Libya after Kadhafi was killed where she, not on the record, but she was still being recorded they're talking to her. You know what I'm talking where she said we came. We saw What is it we came, we saw- he died. What was things I don't know that one We came, we saw and he's dead or something and she was laughing literally laughing, but is exactly what I'm talking about about that cavalier attitude yeah in Washington and for me that was that is really the main reason why in twenty sixteen, I was a vice chair of the Democratic National Party as an to the party you're supposed to stay neutral in these democratic primaries. But it got to a point where I felt I step,
down from that position resigned as vice chair to endorse Bernie Sanders, largely because of the huge difference in there world views with Hillary Clinton's very hawkish interventionist. Foreign policy and track record Libby's is a very prominent in recent example. Erase is another in Bernie Sanders, who generally take some more non interventionist worldview. That was an issue again like is wrong with people weren't really raising the differences or saying oh, she was secretary of State, so she's great on foreign policy, but not actually looking. What is the actual policy an what kind of judgment with either of these individuals have when they are serving in that most important job of commander in chief, and that was that was a very
the difference and I was so mad. I talked about a lot as I campaign with Bernie around the country, and- and that was something that I saw and heard from people in you know: big city, small towns, Midwest, North South EAST West, who appreciated just being told the truth. Well, there was also the the speeches that you gave. Where she wouldn't give up the transcripts for those Antic p o right. She gave in from a banker all street yeah, which is crazy. That that's league. I mean that is essentially look there there's no way she is so entertaining entertaining when we're not talking about Jay Z, concert or Kevin Hart in doing stand they paid one slash million dollars to talk for an hour like that's, not real ok they're, not really paying you a quarter million dollars, 'cause you're! So awesome they really want you.
For an hour. This is some sort of a bribe. This is some sort of a deal you're making a business arrangement. There's no question about it. There is no way that it's that valuable It's just not her talking for an hour. What hot, if Jesus, how do I get all of that ticket mean that is crazy, yeah. The fact that someone could play that off but this is a legitimate business transaction. That's nonsense and there's a direct correlation there, though, with with Wall Street big money in general, is you're. Talking about that influence on politics, I was talking to the guy. Who's is woody cons of Rico bring kind of finance guy from Wall Street who's left, and it's now come here to La and and, and he talked directly about the and we were talking about how, even after two thousand and eight all the too big to fail. Banks that were bailed out and people are suffering their losing their homes or pensions and all of this stuff. These banks are bigger today than they were back. Then
and overtime and and even over the last few years, Congress slowly, and this is not just Republicans. There are Democrats who are on the take to or taken this Wall Street money and you're starting to see these bills S, peeling away the very small amount of regulations that were put on after that crash to get us back to an even worse situation than we were back in two thousand and one. How could we allow this to happen? There's a ton of money, that's coming from Wall Street and ending politicians campaigns lobbyists who were there helping to write the legislation or kill the bad bills and again, who who's who's? Talking about this, no one right, very few people. How do you stop that, though, like how do you stay, the funding, their campaigns a and then the paid speeches beat two things alone. If you could just cut that, and so now you have to be legitimate, mean, love or
Bernie Sanders you've got to respect the fact that I never took any money from anybody. That's right and he he said I'll, give you my all my transcripts, because I don't have any. I didn't get paid to do any speeches yeah and he's clean, yeah I mean this is a reason why he can say that and Hillary just ignored it. I mean she just didn't respond. Shouldn't say I'll. Give you the transcripts, because all I said was I love America and we're fix everything and you bankers are dirty. It's just that they don't pay you to call them names. But it's just so strange that there that, It's not strange in terms of the real obvious benefit. If you're going to be a politician, you want to run for office, it's incredibly expensive to win, so you need some money, so you have to make deals with people were willing to give you some of that money and you figure out a way to be able to do. This and still convinced the people that have to vote for you that you're on their side, yeah
and this is where that narrative is being displayed- and that somehow, if you run for office- and if you want to serve people within that political round, that do you that you have to go and cow tower to the corporate interests and the people with the big money. In order to able to fund the campaign in order to win. So you can do good work for the people, but also you kind of got. You told these other guys you're going to make them happy too. I don't take any corporate pack. Money or contributions from Pacs or lobbyists or anything else, and there are more candidates running this route over one hundred candidates running for Congress this year, who have sworn off any of those types of contributions and who run their campaigns fueled by individual donors, where there's people giving five dollars people giving more if they can give more and at and they're winning. They're of. There are a number of candidates who are showing that they're out raising their opponents you are backed by Pacs and lobbyists.
They're, raising more money from people who are giving the small dollar contributions and disproving that power balance where the people really do have the power. If we stand up and get engaged and involved, what do you attribute that to, It's the change like what's what's causing this. I think a big change happen when Bernie Sanders ran for president. I think he did a lot better than than he first expected that he would and the fact that he was able to raise in some cases, more money than Hillary Clinton in certain quarters he was, he was very competitive and all of that came from those. All dollar individual contributions. You know he talked about it. You know twenty seven dollars is the average a contribution that he got in the was kind of a a rally cry at a lot of his events, but people. I think people through that experience really woke up to their own power in this democracy and that to have a true, strong democracy. It really does take us all doing our part
in whatever way that we can. If Bernie called you up tomorrow and said, I want you to be my vice president. Would you be down weed? have a on man with the conversation, because you know he can't- I mean he can't run again if he doesn't win in twenty right, yeah, it means. Basically, I mean in less someone invent some crazy new medical technology that reverses aging, you only have so much life in you yeah, but you on the other hand, you can hang in there for eight years, You're not saying anything which is a yes there's something your wheels are spinning. Lady, look, I here's here's the way that I've always made my decisions from The time I ran for the State House represents in Hawaii, and I was twenty one years old lot of people said like what are you doing at twenty one? This is crazy, but I I care very much for my home, my community
about environmental issues and things that I saw were not being addressed by many leaders in our state who I felt out, of touch and joining the National Guard and later running for cars. I try to make my decisions, Don? How oh and where I feel like I can make the most impact. So that's that's what I will continue to do. Well, you definitely can make the most impact is vice. President of the United States of America. It depends who you ask. Well, if you ask Maine yeah that your opinion, I would say, yeah, I would say, that's a pretty big platform. Although that pence guy, you hear people that guy He just kind of hide what you make it yes just like any job right, it's what you make of it, but it's like. Isn't that a joke like if you want someone to disappear, just elected vice president it's a joke Then, let's you watch tv right, yeah, that's a different story, right right or house cards too right now, yeah. I think
That's next level! Yeah yeah they're going going on. How can I don't know how I'm gonna kill that guy off somehow or another? Everybody asks me when that that show for the first season came out like so my family, especially it may I've my mother like honey. Is that really what it's like supposed to be loosely based on the Clintons, there are some quotes in some things like that that Kevin Spacey had as the whip housing? There are some things in there like, oh wow. I've actually heard people say that he, but all the all the salacious stuff like that they come from my mom's, like no no not like catching the subway late at night and Brown yeah. Well, that's that's a little bit with some of the top yeah. That was a little ridiculous meet me by the subway yeah yeah. Oil work for anyone really say anything, but as a long time ago, yeah, but for a lot of people that is their education on politics. Unfortunately, but it's just
the complicated process, if you're a person that has you know full time job in gauge and kids an maybe you got a hobby and you're supposed to be paying attention to these people that are running the country or running whatever. It is running the Senate or anything political, it's just too complicated stuff like what you were talking about with these. Those that get past that have these hidden agendas deeply written into one thousand page document. How can a person who has three kids and a mortgage forty plus hour week, job plus commuting? How can they pay attention all this? Now, it's very hard and that's where yeah and- and you know like I- try to put stuff out on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram Social media, because most of us are on those platforms and as you're scrolling through, like maybe you're, going to see that one thing like hey, you know Congress just passed this bill, making deregulating fracking and liquid natural gas. That's
affecting your water in your air and connecting the dots between what can seem like very out of touch policy? Wonky things too: okay. How does this actually affect you, your family, your kids, your house educate, like the things that really do take up most of people's time and consciousness and care on it on a daily basis yeah, and and that's one of the more dangerous things I think about having a person like Trump as president, is that it's a roading people's confidence in the person. That runs the big show. Is that your that's one? That's one of a number of things that have eroded people's confidence. I think if you, if you take that one step further and look at how people's confidence in our entire election system has been eroded it when you look at all of the vulnerabilities that exist a lot of the stuff, that's been
talked about now. Do you mean in terms of electronic voting like the machines or yeah? I think overall people doubt whether or not their votes matter. First of all, did you see the documentary hacking democracy? Now I didn't it's fascinating and it was in regards to what year was that I want to say it's two thousand and eight was at eight six, so it was about Bush and Kerry right. Wasn't that Bush and Gore was a Bush and Gore whatever. It was a selections actually, ok, but showed how there is built in third party access. So it's built into the system right that a third party can influence the count and they showed how they did it on the in the actual documentary they use.
These machines and influence the results. Yeah yeah, I mean it's yeah what what to speak of the at the the Def con hacking conference that just happened or happens annually in Vegas, but they just had one this year a couple months ago, maybe a few weeks ago, where, in one thousand one hundred and eleven year, old girl hacked into a replica of Florida's election system and change the outcome of their election in less than fifteen minutes there. It is an eleven year old hacked into US voting system relic in ten minutes this weekend, wow laserzone. Well, that's Can ingenuity ma'am? That's what we do here with freedom, young and smart higher that kid exactly if they got it right here, all right. If there's tons more tons more like her, this probably millions. Now I mean kids growing up with computers from the time they're little and learning coding, like they're learning, the english language I
just like the driving kind of the thought process in that. That kind of desire to take things to, and I'm not say: okay, okay, this is an Ipad. This is how it works. That's fine like how do we make the next? next generation of this you know how do we break this and makes the next better thing, but we can bank online right yeah? Why can't they vote online, why can't they make all this is secure as they do banking? Well, you still see every now and then fraud? Well, yeah, this bank fraud direct bank fraud, but you, so see banks get hacked and yeah they've got. I mean they've got
you know their reserves and all that other stuff and they try to deal with those vulnerabilities and try to stay ahead of them. But even the technology that banks use is not foolproof and when we're talking again about voters having confidence that when they take that time on election day, take off from work or school or whatever and go cast that vote, that it's going to be counted and counted accurately like this is what's at stake. If people don't have confidence in that, and then we are in in serious trouble. So one thing that I introduced a bill a few months ago, based on last year's def, con hacking conference results that that really showed the best way to secure our elections system, the actual systems, and so is either use paper ballots or have a voter verified paper back up if you're going to use an electronic system so
have an electronic system and then a voter verified paper back up right. So if there's any dispute whatsoever, then you go to the paper out of the payment. They don't correspond. You go to paper. So in Hawaii, for example, you can choose. When I go vote, I can grab a paper ballot traditional or I can go to the sheen, which I usually do go through and make my selections and before I hit the final submit ballot button, there's little print out that pops up in a little window. That shows my voter number, who I selected to vote for, so I can actually check paper myself before hitting submit? Sir? Can you just did this Virginia has off your statewide elections, so they had theirs in two thousand seventeen, and after that, def con hacking conference happened at last year. They said we have to fix this before our election. And they did hardly match that they implemented? They did paper ballots or they did paper ballot, voter verified paper backups and
there are elections. Commissioners came and testified in Congress about after the elections were done, and they said that that was the first time in their entire careers that they didn't have a single complaint about the accuracy of the vote. Count itself were in previous years. They had, but their proof that you can, like you, identify the problem. This is not going to take years to fix, like you can action that with in weeks and actually secure the outcome of these elections, that's what I've been pushing for in Congress, such as we had these midterms, especially as we head into two thousand and twenty. But again it goes back to the point, like my bill hasn't gotten a vote. Yet why is that? It's a very simple like nonpartisan bill, here's a problem, here's a solution. We can action this now, but you have leaders in both parties who are just continuing to fight and Fred and moan and groan about how we have all these vulnerabilities in our elections, but not actually doing anything about it
using it as a partisan kind of political football. But again, why don't you actually solve it? Why do you think they don't solve because it's issues like this- that help with fund raising and they help kind of motivate people and they worry people and they bring. All these fears about is good for things? It's it's all the all. These different reasons that frustrate people frankly, who know about it, a when they're not actually seeing you know, deliver results, you're talking about a problem now for months Congress and talk about this for months. Where is the results? So you think they they actively are ignoring the potential solutions or that they literally want to keep this problem going. That's a good question, but the You know we have been talking about
a number of outside kind of election security experts have been talking about this. Some of the hackers have been talking about the fact that the only way you can secure an election is by using paper. I cannot. I cannot come up with an excuse for why the leaders in these committees and Congress have not, actually, it's my bill or someone else's bill. Why haven't they actually solve this? Because it's something that could potentially impact us in the coming weeks and months Well, remember that the hanging Chad, yeah controversy yeah and how many different votes Thrown out- and there was there was also so many people, were denied the right to vote. In Florida because they had. The either the same name or similar names with parental that had some sort of
in a record of somebody made a typo when they know their their name in the system and then they were if they were made and knowledgeable, and then there was also some concern that some of that was deliberate because so much of it was taking place. In democratic districts yeah it's. It's very disconcerting, the id that someone would try to rig an election yeah, I mean we would like to think That is an absolutely unamerican thing to think of Okay, this one is people can come up with very strange reasons for justification of very off. Blacks and this seems to be one of them. They think their side is right so that means to the super delegate issue that Democrats have been dealing with where people who have been arguing to keep the system of super delegates where, in a state like mine in Hawaii, for example, we've got four super delegate votes
too, for the members of Congress into for the senator explaining to people. Don't know what a super dog, so this is something that is created by the political parties themselves, so the Democratic Party has has been using the super delegates system where, as people are. Running for president, you have a certain number of delegates that go to one person or another based on that states rules. So some states say it's winner. Take all other states say that it's proportional, so if you get sixty percent of the vote, that means sixty percent of the delegates, but then you have the special category of super delegates which there are over seven hundred of them. It includes all four hundred and thirty five members of error. Sorry, all democratic members of Congress, Democrats in the Senate and people who are appointed by the party leadership both at the state and the national level.
And so what we saw in in in my state of Hawaii, for example, is. Over. Seventy percent of the voters voted for Bernie Sanders, but out of those four super delegate votes, he got one which is mine, so the super delegates and don't have to cast their votes to reflect, how the their constituents voted. So how did the rest of am vote? They voted for Hillary, so the put you in a situation where and this is not about- will Bernie would have won without super dope. This is not even what that's about this is about really looking at people casting their votes, and then you have a special group of people who are either elected or appointed. Who can then, same now! I don't. I don't agree with the way that the people in my state or my district voted, so I'm just going to vote the other way and then shift potentially the outcome of that election for that state or for the country,
it shifted for Hawaii yeah. Yes, Hillary won Hawaii's super delegates, but the people voted differently and it was. Seventy percent of the people yeah for brand it, wasn't close. It was, but she won a state, and that was how you, how you saw So in some states where you know, I think I don't know mind either few other states that I remember looking at where when they were counting the votes as they were coming in, they would report one number, but if Bernie won the state, his number was zero and then there was a certain number that was already built into Hillarys Hillary's count before the votes were even finally tallied
because she had already had the declared support of those super delegates within that state. So the Republicans don't do this. I think they may have super delegates, but those super delegates are required to reflect the votes of their constituencies, so they don't have the freedom to change their change. Their vote Change their mind, but yeah. This is that this is so. This is something that I've been I've been fighting to. To try to reform within our party is to get rid of super delegates to make it so that we have open primaries so that you don't have to be a card carrying party member to vote in democratic primary 'cause. That was another problem we saw across the country where people were turned away, because in some cases where you didn't register with the party a year ago, which is the requirement and so come have open primary and then you have same day. Registration if you're, not registered to vote should be able to register to vote on the day of the election so that you can participate in our demo
RC those things seem so clear cut that seems so trite, but the the the super delegate issue in particular. It's that's so disturbing yeah. That seems so dirty yeah. So there's been some progress made since then, though, just recently the Dnc had a meeting where it was a very strong majority of people who voted to bar super delegates from casting their their own free votes in the first ballot in a presidential convention. So I don't know it. It's been a long time since the it's gone to the second or third ballot, but that that was a major step forward to make sure that, as people are going in casting their votes in these primaries that they're not risking being over, ruled by again a group of special and visuals who are elected officials who are lobbyists and who are party officials and people coming from all different backgrounds? Is there any way
distance to getting rid of these super delegates. The resistance was very strong. It wasn't given that he was a scalable asset. All people who are very very invested in this system. Seems like they would have to be invested in keeping the system rigged like making it easy. To influence elections. By having these few but you can control having influence over these people, people have massive influence over the results of the election yeah, so it's it. Is it it's it's so counter intuitive to what we stand for with our democracy yeah, and I think there is, I mean it's a fear of losing power. I think ultimately, is what it comes down to, and you have people who said hey, look I've given my life to the party. You know I put in all of this time and energy, I'm a volunteer in doing this, and all that which all of that is is fine and it's great, but that shouldn't
make it so that, like you know as as myself as a super dog and I've talked about this, I shouldn't have any my vote should count for anymore then yours or anyone else's, and that we should be strengthening and and and uplifting the voices of the people rather than saying well, this small elite group has way more power than so we'll see what they think about things. It's so bizarre that that's a part of the system. It just seems like that's something that should have been a radic kid, a long time which should have been now Bernice Anders had to be fuming yeah. I mean that from that, and then finding out the Dnc actively conspired to have him lose the primary. All of that sorry. What one last thing on on this to realize that that some of those who support it have said is that it is their job to be able to save the country. In case the people elect someone who isn't good,
really hilarious yeah. That is a hilarious justification. You know better than the whole country. You must be super smart. What kind first you have to take a super delegate to become a superdelegate. What do you have to do? Yeah, It's it's, certainly not a written test. You know it's, it's really. I mean again you're either you're either an elected member of Congress, or you're, somebody who the party chooses wow the id that the reason to keep that is because you know better, I mean that's essentially what they're saying you know better than all the people that voted so disrespectful to it's crazy people. It's really crazy. Now, so I mean that that's been, I think a positive thing that has come through all this is is more people are set. Like you know, I I honestly wasn't paying a bunch of attention to super delegates before all of this and a lot of people had their eyes opened up to say, okay, this is clearly wrong yeah. Why was it there in the first place? Let's do something to fix
the process will most people don't think until this election, the general public was even aware that that was that was the case and then, when you know people find out about they go wait. Wait! Wait! what they can just decide to not vote the same way that people voted yes and then they could, the state can lose our I mean the person can lose the state, even though seventy percent of state voted for that person right. That's insane, it is, did you Donna Brazil's book, I didn't read the whole book. I heard I got excerpts excerpts from it and of it I will I was shocked that they can to have Hillary win the primaries, more shocked that more people weren't outraged yeah. What does that tell you? It tells you, the people have sort of resigned to the idea that this is a corrupt system, that they don't have time.
I me goes back to what we're saying earlier that you people are exhausted. Most people most people are exhausted and I think That's where you see a lot of a lot The energy that came around for somebody like Bernie Sanders, or somebody like Donald Trump, who are perceived as being not of the system. But it it shows us. It shows us where we need to go honestly and you're. Talking about authentic, honest leaders who have integrity and- and I think people are not as blind to the other people can tell you- can tell if you being real or not or if you're signed in the false bill of goods. I think the better at it now yeah yeah yeah, paying more to Well, it's also this there's enough footage of people now that's
Yeah, everybody is a reporter. Now yeah I mean it's uh, it's easy to go back and say well, look at this interview from four years ago when they were completely different, like what happened: is it there's also like calculated maneuvers that people do politically to align themselves as one group or another with a realize like okay, there's a lot of money? In being a of this? That's of that there's a lot of money in being whatever it is: yeah, republican or democrat or there's there's an angle for success right, yeah right, that's some all of those different labels and things that people are capitalizing on within the political world. I think, are the things that are turning off more and more people right to the politics, because then it's like well, if you're not branded with this label, then I'm not going to talk to you, I'm not going to have a conversation or it's this camp versus another camp. This try versus another tribe rather than like
rising, even amongst our own families and friends and communities like we figure out ways to talk things through and find ways to collab. Parade in areas where we agree. We can agree to disagree on certain things. We can do that with you. We call Aloha and with respect and actually find a way through to move forward There's a lot of things that have been discussed in terms of the future of Avec, comics, in particular, with regards to artificial. Religions in automation and these radical changes that are probably coming, whether we like it or not, and one of the things that's been discussed as a potential solution to some of the economic woes is a universal basic income have used, I'm studying it. Now I'm looking at some of the places that have have or are currently kind of. Launching pilot projects
there's a european country that did a two year pilot and then they decided not to go down that route. I think there's so it's a yeah. I'm I'm taking a hard look at this because there are. There are strong arguments I think, on on both Besides, that we've got to look and see what what would the effects actually be yeah I'm torn on as well, I'm very open to the idea of it, because I think that we very well could run into a situation where millions of people are almost instantly out of jobs and There's no solution for that and then part of jobs by there. Choice or added jobs by automation. Right, yes, exactly the position right yeah I mean this is a real problem. Yeah and- and I don't think I don't think it's going to- I don't think it's going to happen slowly right. I think that problem is going to stumble onto us very quickly yeah and we are not prepared for this and
then there's a problem, psychologically people that say that. Well, if you just give people money the way, their ambition, and there will, and one of the things that makes America great is that people hustle and that you give a bunch of people money that they don't earn and they're going to be lazy This is the the fact that different counter arguments- and I think, there's another one that points to. If you look at how much how much taxpayer dollars are spent on, like section eight housing or different, affordable housing programs on food stamps. On kind of these different social welfare programs, how much are we spending on overhead to administer those programs, and so would it make more economic sense to just kind of compile all of those benefits into one package and just give people a check instead of piecing it out through all of these different things and
would we actually save money as a country by doing so, and the argument to devise productivity, even amongst people that are accepting There's a basic income, I believe, is to let them keep it no matter what so the ideas, even if you make ten million dollars a year, you're going to still get eczema dollars per month, universal basic income and you can choose to donate that to the causes of your choice, but if you're a person- who's concerned that this is going to another stifle people's motivation? jobs? Because if you get a job, then they will get that money, which is the case with welfare yeah right, though, the idea that you know you you it's very difficult to get someone when you're, giving them free money to say, look you're going to have to work harder and then you're going to get less they're going to Why would I work harder? So the idea then I believe Elon Musk is one of the ones that came up with this. Well, don't take away the money, like everybody it's a no matter. What you choose to do, whatever you want with it, but the way to
devise action productivity is to make that money just universally available to everyone yeah. It says the Universal Ask yes. Of of yeah. You know I mean I kind of believe that I mean just culturally. We're talking about these young kids, for example. You I mean not getting one paid one thing or another, but just there drive in their interests and kind of their intellectual direction. I don't know, I think people are not necessarily lazy by nature and- and I think, there's something to be said for wanting to actually get things done, and I think you you open up rather than saying well, we've just got a uh our purpose. Just to work in a job you may be brought in that spectrum to wear your purpose in life is not just to work good, paying job but actually have meaning and purpose to what you
thing with your life. That's best case scenario. Yeah best case scenario with universal basic income is to give people the opportunity to pursue their dream right. Yeah I mean, I think, that and in large part. Maybe the problem is adding the seed in young people at an early age that you're not you're, not so just try to make money to survive. That here the money to survive. Just what do you want? What do you want? What do you? How do you think you would best? fit in in this world like what is your contribution? What did you do, and I think that's that's that opens it up into kind of how we view education in this country and how you know, there's all this. This drive towards. While you got to get a college degree, you got to do this. You got to do that, but really there's there's a lot more where people aren't asking those questions like what do you really want to do with your life? Asking that that most important question of purpose yeah and seeing well, gay
getting a bachelor's degree or master's degree or whatever that may not. That may not be what you want or how you feel You can best use your time of your skills and whether it's vocational training or doing something else or be starting up a business right away or or anything else. I think there's we just have to broaden the spectrum here so that were not so funnel vision. More were saying: well you're going to have to go sixty thousand dollars in debt, because you've got to get a college degree of which you will have no guarantee that you will get this high, paying job that you were hoping to get that you make lots of money, and then you end up wasting your life wondering what the hell did. I do with myself. That's a very good point because I think the system that we have in place is not perfect, but yet we're not fixing it right. Changing it and college education is essentially subsidized and you have so much money that these kids are in debt with by the I'm a graduate mean I had a friend who made it through medical school and by the time he got out, he owed more than a quarter million dollars. I was like that is fucking crazy,
he's like when people talk about doctors and they talk about doctors being greedy, he go You have to understand that so many of them are struggling just to stay alive, they're struggling just to pay their own bills and keep the lights The reason why they want to see two thousand and thirty people a day and just keep bring in the numbers and just constantly you know do we have to do with its operations or whatever it is, and that they're not considering the overall, health and welfare of these people and looking at all these different solutions, whether it's nutrition or maybe there's a way to avoid surgery or maybe, as a way to you, know a was strengthen your body first before we do this, or maybe we all to your die, Ed and maybe not getting enough sleep. Let's take that into consideration and what kind of pills he wanted. How are they negatively affecting your health? You don't have the time for that yeah. They have another person, it's waiting that another person is waiting and you have to keep those people coming in because they need that money yeah MIA, but that bananas,
this, and and that's where, whether we're talking about the cost of education or the cost of health care for that matter, we, when we look at technology and how we can both bring down costs and improve quality in these areas. I think there's there's opportunity in Hawaii there's a pilot program on the big island right now called paramedicine, where current, like Medicare reimburse laws say that as REM, please go out in ambulance to pick up somebody, they will only. Reimbursed if they pick up that person and take them to an emergency room, so never mind if that person needs to get their prescription. Drugs refilled, which happens I'll, call nine one one for that, they're living out in the boonies somewhere, and they can't get to where they need to go or if that person needs to see a mental health.
Or a social worker or anything else. So this idea of paramedicine that we're working on trying to build and actually changed in federal policy to help support is. Really look out for what is this person actually need, and not just shove them into this healthcare system that drives up the cost for everyone and also use technology? To do that. So I was asking okay, so you're not to be able to physically social worker with you on all these calls? That's not how you're going to economize your cost here he said We bring an Ipad with us so as a social worker at the clinic and then can dial them in and they can facetime with the person whose house that we've gone too, if that's the service, that they need and they can start helping, connect them to resources So that's where you're able to help kind of both bring down costs, but also making sure that we have the service is accessible to those who need them
That's a fantastic idea just to avoid the trips to the doctor, rudimentary things right one of the things that Bernie Sanders brought up when he was running for president than I thought it was very. Very entry was the possibility of free education. An Obviously, we have public schools when it comes to high school cool in junior high school and all that other stuff, but the idea of a public. Full education through university to degree. Do you think that's possible? I'm, I think I'll. I think it's possible but I think it doesn't get to the root cause of the problem, which is the cost of education, and I think that if you write that ticket, then you are at risk of then these cation institutions, just saying okay? So if you you are guaranteeing x number of dollars for a student to go through.
Get that education, then we're going to adjust our cost to make it meet that amount or if it's a blank check, then they'll know that they have a blank check. So we we we have to. We have to get to the root cause of these challenges on whether it is education or healthcare. We have to get to the root cause of. Why are these costs being driven up? So dramatically, and not just say what we we're going to pay for everything without actually dealing with the fact that things are not affordable as they are well. How did education get to a point where you could go bankrupt with any other kind of debt? and you're no longer required to pay that debt, so your credit card money, you lose your house whatever it is, but if you money because of college loan. You owe that money until you're dead. That is strange. I mean it's one of the weirder things that we have in our culture's.
But we saddle these young ambitious people with Sir Mountable debt right and that there are our institutions that are really making a lot of money off of this theorist attached to it. They've become addicted. This money right- and this is a part of the system and they're profiting off of it, and they don't want to go away and somehow another they've not someone in the past these laws that make these kids stuck. With this bill, no matter what happens in their life yeah, you know getting Car accident no longer take care yourself. Tough Shitan pay that bill I mean it's really mafia, like yeah back into the financial industry, yeah so it's it's really. What, when you pull the veil, back on kind of the crony capitalism that exists in this country. Then you start to see and connect how it really impacts people's lives in so many different ways and how it affects the pool.
In our country, what was Bernie solution for that when he wanted to institute some sort of a free- education system for higher education. What what did he? How did he envision and I don't know his bill chapter and verse, but I believe it was focused on public colleges, not private institutions, and that it was, by levying some sort of tax on Wall Street to pay for it. That was the big criticism that everything was going to be tax tax tax tax, but an inefficient system is going to chew a lot of your tax dollars. So people were were thinking. Their hard earned dollars are going to go to some bureaucracy in a bunch of red tape and Horsh and too many people. Working doing too to and things just to try to keep jobs going yeah, that's the fear right yeah, that's the big republican fear yeah, the articular. I mean you know, I think that the focus on
on Wall Street, I think, is a very specific one. However, as you're looking at possible funding and tax sources, but again I mean I just point to sound: bites can be catch fire easily
but getting to the root cause of how we solve some of these problems is really what we need to do. How are we delivering education to people? Why is it that these colleges, why is it the cost of education has gone so far up and really in an uncontrolled manner? We look at health care. Why is it that you know these prescription? Drug companies can raise their prices? Hundreds, if not thousands, of percent on life saving medication for people? Why is it that doctors are not required to go through any kind of nutrition training as they get their certification? They go through their their medical school. When you look at how closely connected Dietes and what people put into their bodies to the kinds of major sicknesses that are rampant in our communities, that diabetes, for example, you're not seeing that connection where you have doctors, who are trained even a little bit in nutrition and how connecting
that kind of preventive medicine and using food food as medicine is not does not even play a a partial role in a lot of the medicine the western medicine is delivered today. It is strange, but is this? Is this the business of the federal government to get involved in how doctors are educated? I mean how do, to fix not getting your hands into everything 'cause? Obviously, we would like to believe that medical schools know more about raise doctors, then you are. I. But when you said, government pays a lot of money to help, take care of people and make sure that they have access to education, especially those who don't have money
and so it is. It is our responsibility to try to do what we can to help improve that that system to make so that it's affordable and to look at these preventive health measures. I have yet to get a good answer from anyone in a medical school. In a in that field about why even I'm not even talking to you- have to become a licensed nutrition, professional, but just having this basic education that will help them better. Take care of people. Why that doesn't exist. Well, it's also bizarre that mean it's such a complicated thing, especially in nutrition, it's so complicated that even nutritionists don't agree. I mean you have extra in nutrition. That day I mean I am having a bunch of debates coming up in the future. Two of them in at the end of this month, one
a vegan doctor versus a former vegan paleo scientist who believes that organ meat and and eating animal meat is the key to health, health and happiness. The vegan obvious He believes that that's not the case, and you know, there's people that believe in high carbohydrate, low fat, low, carbohydrate, different diets that are out there. It's so hard yeah, and then just the reality that every person physio logically varies yeah. Oh absolutely, but I mean I'm just talking about like the basics: Sugar, yes, alcohol, yes, yeah, there are folks of mine in my Manalo in Hawaii, who have a little cafe in a farm and their goal is to be able to feed healthy food to their community, and so The things that they do is They identify people on the island, who, you know, are dealing with, like thirty plus year old guy was dealing with major heart failures already and who's.
Beeson dealing with weight and diabetes, and all these other issues and helping people like him, change your diet, so they provide free meals to them, for I think it was like three months and they have a doctor who supervising and monitoring what they. On their body is, and my friend Leah. She told me that one of these guys who came in she's, like you know you should you- should try to eat more salad in your diet. Try to eat at least once a day should have a salad he's like oh, no problem. Eight MAC, salad, everyday, like man, days of our own e salad. Salad sounds like legitimately that he's like oh yeah, no problem, he really meant it,
like no problem, they said that hawaiian accent as a staple right wow. He saw that macaroni salad right. So that's I mean that's. Why I'm talking about the basic level of just like each refresh foods and cutting out sugar and minimizing fried foods like those kinds of things we can't take for granted that everybody just knows this, Bryant Junior brought up in a certain way or certain kind of culture or whatever that that may not. Be something that you're taught and but that that is really all of us. Rice taxpayers is that you can hack less healthcare costs if you're preventing rifle from getting sick yeah, then you are lowering the cost of of highly escalating health care, write an we're also looking out for each other 'cause. There's information that we're distributing those
you want to have your love ones live longer and be healthier and not creating quality yeah. You know just time that you'll get with your family and with your kids and being mobile and getting getting out around and and so that you using the example of these these people online and all of that's what they've seen with the folks that they've been able to help is, is about education and, like here's, how you could eat in a in a healthy way. That's good for you and seeing how that is impacting those individuals per personal health and their families has been really life changing for some of these guys. Now, as a congresswoman one other bottlenecks, are you seeing that you use E in the system that you would like to change or fix Civil liberties is one that I have. I have and continue to be focus
in an area where there is bipartisan support. When you look at a lot of the abuses that we have seen and continue to see in agencies like the NSA and and in the post Patriot ACT world where laws were passed, licensing warrantless spying Americans, that that is an area where we still need to make a lot of changes. Criminal justice reform is an. And this is one where uniquely right now, I think there's a moment in time where you have organizations like the ACLU partnering, with the Coke brothers, very conservative coke brothers coming at at and and supporting the same pieces of legislation to end the federal marijuana prohibition to deal with sentencing reform to deal with prison reform and to make it so that we're not constantly cycling. The same
people through our prison systems and that we're not throwing people into already overcrowded prisons who have no business. Being there yeah. Those are really important points and I'm glad you brought that up. I've heard argument that the wire mapping and that this surveillance program is necessary to prevent terrorist activity. Does that make any sense to you it is. It is the most often used argument. The point here is that it is illegal to spy on Americans without a warrant, so Do you have somebody that you know has raised some level of suspicion? The nozzle on,
Dorsement Officer Agency, you need were protected by our constitution in this way, where you have to do the tough work of building your evidence and actually getting a warrant to do this. But there have been example after example, how this has been grossly abused and how you know there. It's our cell phone records that were being gathered and mass by the NSA or other things, we're seeing that because of the Patriot ACT, there there's the loopholes that have been created that I'm allowed to these agencies to exploit that there's. Also, some weird rules where Like if you get pulled over, they can't ask you for your pin number for your phone, but they can use your thumbprint to access your phone. I didn't know about that. One you know see if that's accurate, um, I'm pretty sure
it is, I believe it pertains to whatever the crime is. I don't think they could do it if you get caught speeding, but I think if they believe that you're involved in something that may or may not be a felony that they can check your phone and there's actually these devices that they've been selling to police departments that allow them to crack in the I phones, which are supposedly and credit you I'm sure, you've heard yes yeah and while it's what they have that unless I mean if you, if you need a warrant to access, someone's Iphone mean you're going to go to whatever federal jurisdiction and it's involved in that they would have some sort of device, but police department, I'm looking to get this technology how's it I'm accurate yeah, so they can access your phone. With your thumbprint. So then give me your hand, tell see fam, and then they got it phone. Oh look at pictures you naked I'm going to those, and I'm going to look at this-
this can force. You use your fingerprint to unlock your phone like what the hell was that strange who there's no difference for the miss, and this is good and bad cops are people they're, just you and I and they're just folks that have a very difficult job and a very high level responsibility why would you allow them to decide whether or not they can go into someone's personal property and view their information and look at their emails over the text messages and make determination as to whether or not this persons involved in illegal activity without a judge and a search warrant right, that's crazy and without cause yeah, I don't know if this is Post Patriot ACT, because of this. Or is it just one of the things that have and sometimes is that technology accelerates at a rate where we don't have laws that are pertinent to that technology. That's also a problem. And there's some legislation that we've worked on, that we are continuing to
to get past to try to help get that technology to help get the laws caught up with where we are today and there's a bill that we have that deals with with emails, for example, where you know the correct it is it's against the law to open up someone else's mail but it's not necessarily against a lot of open up. Someone else is email that seems crazy, because the law, the law was written back. When you know whatever handwritten letters or letters sent through the you S, postal service was the only way people communicate and it has not been updated to this day. That seems crazy yeah. What are your feelings on private prisons, when you're making money off of keeping people in prison then you have a serious. You have a serious problem. The fact that we have a criminal justice system
is so broken that we're allowing these corporations to make money off of keeping their prison beds filled. You're doing a disservice to those people to our communities are found and every taxpayer who's paying money for these private prisons mean seems an obvious conflict of interest. Exactly Do you have? No, you have no incentive whatsoever to actually you know. Help rehabilitate people help help provide people with transitional training. With the you know, drug rehab, with with all of these other things that can help people who have been incarcerated for one reason or another leave and never come back.
And that's one of the bills that that the one of the one of the Good NEWS stories that actually has happened recently in Congress was we we pass. This bill called the first Step act that deal specifically with this prison reform issue, to help make sure that those who don't belong in prison, like nonviolent drug offenders, don't go there in the first place, and to make it so that those who are there and those who are the returning you know there, the returning inmates are- are actually dressing. What is it that is that you need to make so you don't keep coming back- and that was something that face opposition on both sides of the aisle. But again it's one of those examples where, when you focus on ok, we may come at this from different directions like,
folks are more concerned about the social cost and the impact on families and communities and how you're criminalizing people others are more concerned about the fiscal impact and how much money we're spending on these people cycling through our prisons, regardless, we both want the same outcome, which is less people in our prisons and bringing down the cost. Both Conomique and social, and so that was a bill that we passed through the house at sitting before the Senate right now, but it has support from the White House and ironically there is a republican senator in the Senate. Who is the number one opposition against this bill passed? Like I don't know there were over three hundred members of the house who voted for it. So there's there's some hope there, but there more to be done in that area. How did we get to the situation? How did how this whole private prison thing happened before people even realize that took place,
You know, I don't know the exact history of who made it happen or who you know allowed for this government contract to take place, but I think the sick part about it is that you have people who recognize that they could make money. Off of people who are going to jail. I'm sure you're, aware of that Pennsylvania Judge who sentenced, who was he was irresponsibly and wrongfully sentence, ng young peoples to jail for profit, yeah, and so people would think. Well, you know you're never going to see that that's not going to be that that couldn't be real, but this is one of the real problems with profit, with the idea that you can make profit off of, In people in your cell yeah having people in
sell it? And when you look at all of the other impacts of that- and this is this- is what I often talk about when we talk about ending the federal marijuana. Prohibition is look at how it is impacting the lives of those individuals who will not have a criminal record and follow them everywhere. Look at how it's impacting their children, their family members, their opportunities for their future and how these impacts are often very very long reaching and an impact a lot of these other social systems in programs that exist and how much more prevalent these arrests are than most people realize yeah and then there's the economic windfall that takes place when you legalize it right in the end. That's the only thing that you're seeing where the states are voting for, because they realize there's massive amounts of tax dollars. They can make right. I mean it, I think,
Colorado is thirty. Nine percent tax on recreational marijuana and people are like okay yeah, like they just pay it down, because it's even then it's still not that expensive. That's true yeah! What to speak of I mean you know the people who are actually Ben from the specially of these kids with epilepsy and those with other medical disorders. I've met with families in states like Iowa, for example, met with families in that with their kids, who they are, raking, both state and federal law in in Iowa, where even cbt products are not legal, yeah and so they're having to find ways to get it. They're they're trying to fight this within their own state to change the laws. But you know these people who consider themselves conservative, Republicans,
we're talking about this issue that they feel is a life saving issue for their children. Well, once you see people that have cancer that can't eat and they're going through chemotherapy- and you realize that there is maybe the only things you can give someone then given their appetite back you see, children that have severe autism and one of the only things that can stop their seizures. Is medical marijuana Do you realize there's so many different things that we could help people with it's not just about getting hot now No, there is personal freedom issues that you really shouldn't be able to tell someone that they can go get whiskey, but they can't get Meryl absolute because it's foolish absolutely and it's ancient- I mean it's one of those really it we're we're stuck with these legacy laws that were perpetrated by people who were doing it just for profit, and that means it's not, but this is a grand mystery. The the writing is all I need to read it all yeah. We know exactly how it all took place. We know why prohibition was enacted and it wasn't and acted to save the
public. It wasn't enacted because we were really worried about people. These people are trying to profit. That's exactly right. The same thing is happening now with this opioid epidemic, how there are states, that have legalized either whether it's just medical or full legalization. There has proven to be a direct correlation to drastic reduction, opioid related deaths in those states where people have access again either to medical or non medical use of marijuana, and you see it, you wonder: okay, if we know this and everyone in it, the leaders in this country so concerned about this opioid epidemic. Why hasn't this been brought forward? You learn about the prescription drug companies to make a lot of these opioids, who are now making the other prescription drugs to help wean people off of the opioids and so they're making money on both ends of the
bactrim without really any care for the person there and and their welfare and their well being. Meanwhile, people are people are dying, their lives are being ruined by one and there's also things that are federally legal like federally. Legal, like ibogaine, which has an incredible result, ratio terms of getting people to kick addictions, whether it's alcohol, heroin pills, there's in Mexico that people go to on a regular basis. To take this one, psychedelic medicine. That's been shown to have radical results. It's not killing. People It's extremely illegal as a schedule, one drug in America and it's and it's one of the best examples. I mean there are also using psilocybin, I mean there's a John Hopkins Study, there's several studies that they're doing right now, they're trying to show that there's a direct correlation between use
of psilocybin in these clinical situations, where they're curing cigarettes heroin all these different addictions with different psychedelic drugs that are scheduled one and is there's a lot of work being done right now. Apps is involved with one thing that they're doing that's: helping a tremendous amount of soldiers, and people with PTSD is MDMA is a tested MDMA therapy and there's a lot of these that are being explored now where people had demonized these particular drugs or plants, and they were thought to be something that would ruin your life and now they're really realizing know these. Like many things, be used or abused, and that there's There are solutions for a lot of our problems, but there's a lot of resistance to this there's a lot of resistance, in particular from I mean the resistance
about. Cbd is one of the dumbest ones of all time. This Cbd is non addictive non. Exactly not her massively beneficial to so many people, whether it's helping them with anxiety. Alleviation of pain, and stress I mean I even got at noon on said, has never done anything with anything and it had anything to do with, hamper marijuana and he's got bad knees. So I got him Robin Cbd lotion on his knees like this stuff's America might yeah go. I mean if you could talk TED, Nugent and Use and c b D. That's in Carter's, there's, there's hope for the world yeah, but you just mention. I mean whether it's C b, dear and hemp is another example. That's something they get we're trying to do in Hawaii, I think, Kentucky, I think, there's another state- that's a leader in this slowly but surely doors opening up with that. We realize it's not psychoactive. It's incredibly beneficial, whether it's for food, whether it's for textiles, whether it's for oil, I mean there's any benefits mean you can do a thing called hempcrete where they're making concrete
create a to have heard about slight are incredibly durable flame resistant, there's, so many benefits to it and it's so economically viable. It's so cheap. It's a weed right! I mean and it grows. I don't know if you ever felt a hemp stock. It's one of bizarre things, because it is as hard as it spoke and it's as right is styrofoam, it's so weird. It's such a it's an alien plants are very strange plant. Well, but you know, demonize for so long and one of the things that's kept it from being canonically viable, and it's just people that don't want it to become a part of the competition yeah. They just don't want to compete with it with whatever there coming from whether it's the people that are selling pain, pills or the people that are using For me, it was initially made illegal because of paper. Yeah Randolph Hurst got involved in it because he had paper mills right- and you know we also own newspaper, so we sir demonizing, and to get people to think that if we made hemp legal, we were gonna have
people running around on the marijuana, killing people and jumping out of windows. Yeah, that's crazy, we have a. I am working with a Republican from Florida name, Carlos Cabal. We just introduced a bill to essentially commission a study by the National Academy of Science made up of objective reports in a studies that have been done from states that have already legalized to one extent or another, marijuana, to compile a fact, an independent fact, based report for the federal government on what what has come about in those it's in every respect, whether talking about health care, economy or criminal, justice and law in for, like every single thing, look at this in a very diverse way and to have this entity do that. That's it's just that sits outside of the federal government, because the challenge that we keep coming up against both at the federal level, as well as at the state level
in some cases is they say well, there are no studies that show the benefits of what good will come about. If you end the federal marijuana prohibition as one example in Hawaii just recently, the state legislature, House and Senate overwhelmingly passed a bill to allow opioid addiction to be added to the acceptable things that medical marijuana can right. So, even though medical marijuana is legal in Hawaii, there is a limited list of the ailments or whatever that you can prove your eligibility. Opioid addiction is not one of them. Legislature said it should be. I agree it should be, but it was vetoed by the governor who said well. Those studies aren't proving that this will help those who are opioid, attics and there's a bureaucrat
process that takes a really long time. If people really want this to happen, what are the other things that are of concern to you as a congresswoman? that you're, seeing not addressed or that are somehow or another still in place when you feel like they should have been right. You know there's there's there's is a long laundry list of issues, and I think you can go through each of the major issues that a lot of folks are learned about and pick those apart and say, here are the things that we need to address and improve in each of those, but I the conversation that I hope more people start having is about how why aren't these things being fixed or addressed, and that that speaks directly to people's unwillingness to actually talk to each other to stop demonizing each other.
Because you're from the other camp and actually engage based on our common mission of serving the people serving the people of this country, and you know that something. I look back to during my time in units serving in the Army National Guard, you got diverse people, diverse opinion, diverse ideas, the ultimately you know we wear the same flag on our uniform and we are focused singer Leon on that same purpose and miss and, and unfortunately that's what we're missing. A lot of in Congress is the hyper partisanship and the political winds too often take precedence over the reason why people in our districts hire us to go and work there and a lot of that comes from not having a basic level of respect or aloha for each other as people and instead just saying hey. It's us against them, pick your label and that's where the battles are fought and and who suffers as a result of this, the people who
suffering who are dealing with a lot of the challenges that we've been talking about. So that's something that you know I try to bring. I try to bring Hawaii Aloha to Washington and try to bring that through in the work that I'm trying to do on these different issues. In the conversations that we're having. Sometimes it means you talk with people who who you disagree with, or you may have different ideas. Then they have about how you solve these problems. But if you, even if you're able to come together on one thing, then we can start to see problems actually being solved and delivering results. Well. What I saw from you in video is exactly what I've seen from you in person, you're, very genuine person, you're very intelligent, and you give me hope you give me hope that there are politicians that are legitimately in it for the right reason and that they have a real vision of how to fix things. So thank Thank you and thanks for being here clearly talking, really appreciate it thanks. So much tell people how to find you online
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