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#1173 - Geoffrey Miller

2018-09-25 | 🔗
Geoffrey Miller is an evolutionary psychologist, serving as an associate professor of psychology at the University of New Mexico and known for his expertise in sexual selection in human evolution.
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talk to him. I hope you enjoy it. Please give it up, for Jeffrey Miller, will gain experience by treasure. Thats doing here, man preceded it, is my pleasure and on and on the day, we're bill costs because of the book crazy, sad story that sad for some people happy for others, say that he's goin away for one, if that's a death sentence for a man of his age centrally, it is right he's like eighty one or something like that. Every word of justice took into account like your health status. In awarding right I think they have done that, though, didn't they do that with that guy who was speaker hazard? Who is speed give the house who was convicted for more lasting large number of boys when he was a wrestling coach
two that manner yeah fifteen months. Fifteen months. Imagine they might mean that's, that's pure insanities in a wheelchair yeah. It could have been This there's no way if he was twenty five year old, able bodied man who done the exact same thing. He would go to jail for fifteen months for admitting to molester a large number of kids. Who are under his care when it was, it was a rustling coat right now. Oh here's, the guy. The movie was made of now now the different go. Now that those Du Dupont, ok Deposit, was a child molesters. He was just a psychopath oh hired wrestlers to come, live with them and wrestle with them women that I know one of em. One of them, the main guy, the movie they d, the that the two brother, Dave David Mark Shalt, fantastic wrestlers who work
lately misrepresented in the movie they made out to be like involve this weird gave relationship with it. I'm doing cocaine, not the vague at all sorts of shit that movie very weird how they the screen writers, you gotta dramatize it. I guess his sentence wasn't for child abuse. Why that's? Why was that it says this is the judge said it would have been higher. He would have gotten more if the statutes didn't run out the limitation for accident. Nineteen sixty to seventy ran out to the judge noted the punishment for such a conviction would have been far worse. I think he actually got victory for big transactions, keeping stuff secret awhile, the pay fines statute limitations is so we're talking about bill cars that psychology professors and experts were obviously dating than he had some sort of problem it's weird custom media well.
Have a certain narrative they want to promote and also to find the psychologists will say the thing that fits that yeah so most clinical psychologists would say, I've never talk to guy. I'm not gonna. Try to diagnose him from a distance right. I have no idea what his condition is or what his issue is, but then a handful who are willing to kind of stick their necks out and say something and managed there seem to be a site professor for that reason, because you're you're always kind of being represented publicly by the people who were kind of being least professional, yet about this kind of That is a real problem today, isn't it like in terms of identity, politics, and this this inclination to draw conclusions and to lean towards one side or the other, instead of just looking at the actual situation objectively and if you're not tie get him. I mean I'm assuming bill. Cosby is a terrible piece of shit as a human being
That's what I'm assuming they look at all this, but I wanna talk to the man. I don't know what kind of crazy shit he's got going on his head, but if all these we are telling the truth and seem super unlikely that they're all I mean wizard, like silver. Fifty of em right with the same story. Well he's got a deep dark streak. That's for sure I mean the wording. Thing is still a lot of people who are successful, have a little bit of that dark, strict to have a little bit of that says the they can kind of step act from normal human relations and Nathan either turn it into enow abuse, and exploitation like Cosby. Be dead or they can kind of sick play some sauce right and they can harness that to do something. That's good. And and where they're kind of using our ability to take a different viewpoint on things here too,
analyze, human behaviour or invent things or or in a proposed new policies or whatever, and so I think that kind of dark streak in. Oh, if you have it, you have to recognize it an unkind of tame it and work with it, and the people who do, I think, can often do great things were side in the people who don't end up in jail while this one of the reasons why I wanted to bring this up to you as an evolutionary site, professor looking the human mind in looking at behaviour patterns and what would clearly some sort of hesitate to call crime and addiction It seems like an addictive pattern that he has that there's a come compulsion to doing this to people That's not a simple as he
HANS women have sex of them. They don't want to have sex them, so he drugs them. I don't think it's that simple. I think there's some getting away with it thing. There's to be some he's better than every one thing because he's you know he's royalty in the in terms of like Hollywood in terms of show business and turns a stand up comedy he's has been treated as royalty. I mean he's been louder assent, we criticise anyone who wants is is rarely is there a rebuttal too. The things that he says- and you know he's been criticising the black community for its use of bad words and for its use of sexually explicit Lange? Japan and India, fictions and meanwhile, tar time is raping people means, like an amazing. I think one thing that might happen as if you ve got this public image is being like squeaky, clean family values and you ve got the burden of kind of being a moral exemplar like that. You know just like televangelist Reynard,
buddy you who, as a big religious, following like the pressure to be good all the time. I think I'm gonna get people into dry, the thrill of transgression- I imagine, could be- I quite kind of addictive and that's a real danger, and I think that that kind of hypocrisy is why we should be really careful about kind of idolizing anybody, yet to that degree kind of morally and and putting that burden on them. I mean I can only imagine like being, an evangelist, being someone who preached about the word of God, but meanwhile, having this weird hooker thing like Do member was his name TED here. Giant church, I believe those Colorado and the entire your time, I have a bit about the entire time we smoking math and having sex with gay prostitutes All the while is going on
it's always the guys who go on about how awful gay people are there secretly yea it so no comment there's a little research on that I mean it's not definitive, but It's like a lot of TED Haggerty, light Brown, hair, haggard, developed people a lot of guys you're pretty like outspokenly home go back again, like you put them in a sex research, duration and see what actually rouses them show them straight or gay pride right and you have a pathetic Mcgrath and you you sense why? What as I once the graph? What is it is my ground? What is our senses, blood flowing, penis, our boy and even those anyway have it in the background every podcast, but when you come, do pike ass. Yet it put these electrodes on penis and then who's gonna talk about. Japanese, at porn and tentacles well, the plateau this rapid alike as they didn't. You have still not had not the heart the heart lies not those put his mcgraff's.
We are the people who are often in a most hostile there's something you have some some little issue inside that brands creating some conflict, a yeah me. No, I make sense, did they think conflicted, dots, the human being. Who has this ideal of who they liked, projecting what they'd like people to think they are meanwhile, has its thing below the surface. That is literally everything they despise and everything they rally against, and that is their their true nature. God it's gotta be the awful feeling we I've known several guys who are closeted gay men and it's it's awful exists. Since they they just live in this perpetual, state of just extant please and meanwhile Gaddafi's think, for the most part, especially if you live in an urban environment? Most people don't give a shit anymore. This is almost a self imposed prison and the people it who gives a shit. There are the real problem in other Thee
People who are not gay, who really care of someone's gay, less they're trying to do a cause beyond you like. Why do you care. Yeah look if somebody wants to be in a closet about their their sexuality, like they wanna, be discreet, for reasons or because investors with panic or whatever, like that's totally cool, but I think are to be authentic to yourself I get so, eight, a knowledge. I have this sexuality, this these predilections and and it's up to to kind of harness them and deal with them and manage them. And if you want to do that privately, that's that's cool. We should other freedom, yes, but if you don't work out those little demons and if you can't acknowledge what's author I think that's where you get these problems like the cosmic. Yet I believe is a difference between discretion. Not wanting to discuss your sexuality and out not hypocrisy there. These are completely different thing is:
thing, like you said, like a guy's, a ceo, some major corporations happens to be gaining just not interested in all the political nonsense and all the social nonsense it goes along with discussing that is going to keep a discreet. That makes sense, like. Why should he have to, but if he lies friends, you know like work or on the attack and media ass. That is yes. Damnation Hale fire. We so strange, as a race in? I have talked many times about how bizarre it is that we ve become. Really comfortable with seeing p. We'll have sex like phones and in our eye pads. Laptops mean it is, such a massive part of internet consumption, but yet so dirty and sulphur Baden. If someone comes the room you're watching Islam, the laptop shut in in in disgust total embarrassment its
we really weird well It's weird on so many levels like I don't do, research on whatever the psychology porn. But I know people who do and the fact that you can study it and everyone watches it, but you can't even show clips scientific conference of what people are watching is kind of bizarre. A second thing, it's bizarre as if you ask people suffer years ago in the fifties Whatever? What do you think will happen if there is unlimited free online pornography that has every possible John Raw of human of all sexes, interacting with each other in including cartoon dragons and whatever they would go. Civilization will have fallen like it will be chaos that sounds post, apocalyptic and and yet we're living in that era and postal driving.
The kids to school- and it seems like morally, mental about politics and our ability to carp compartmentalize is kind of awe inspiring? Actually yeah really is, but it's also our ability to adjust to the times they can inspiring to think about the different they have often talked to when I was in high school is, but in high school and nineteen eighty ones, my freshman year, high school It was literally around the time. Dv H, one tape was introduced into Modern America Was it was the exact year for tapes were invented? We got him in. My house, I think, in eighty two, maybe also software, which is right. When you're about the Hornets nest and that's that's one porn made it into people's houses and you had to go through those beads in the video store together the porn section and everybody's, like every area.
Blinders on nobody lifted anybody else. It was just terrifying and you know it's zeilinger there in a late feels like should I bring back today else laid I'll just keep it as key reeboks. Another three bucks If you just stole it costs thirty, yes steal it. Just so, you have to like looked a guy in a vase. Seventy seven, these really and homelessness avenues on the Wiki answers, Parleyed Seventys in early eighties, ok Maybe it was late. Seventies- are something that my house we got in around ninety one say to wish, but it did change. World and a change in a real sneaky way where nobody saw it coming, but the difference between the access to sex to what the looking at sex from nineteen sixty two nineteen eighty twenty years, which is in terms of historically. Is a very short period of time at any. Their time other than today. Today its massive change of you, anticipate what it would be like in two thousand thirty eight. He built, oh God
You know all day on mosques. Inventions will come to fruition will be living in tunnels, underground and others surface of the earth, would be a hundred ninety degrees and will be no more water and people ways overestimate how much is going to change in the next twenty years compared to last twenty yeah. But you know, if you, asked a bunch of let's say ecology, researchers who study like marriages and long term released Altima Asamon, nineteen. Eighty what's gonna happen when you have unlimited VHF porn, Some of them might have said That'll, save american marriages. Tammany decent, would go with that all the hippies, I think lot of folks would have said. Well, that's the way you can get your sexual variety needs Matt and a kind of virtual fake way. And so that reduce the pressure for like infidelities and other folks would have said. Oh, my god, and remind people what their missing and so little little nuke marriages. The divorce rate will go to eighty percent.
But then there's the third option, which is the sort of the cause be ask thing, is that the addiction than theirs theirs- and maybe I can ask you about this, like what is it about things whether it is gambling or You know whatever video games, There are things that people get obsessed with and those things become almost a part of who they are. It takes over their minds so much I give you a pie chart of the human brain with some folks there's a giant chalk, this just porn, it's like forty percent of the brain. Pattern? What happens? What is what is it about the mind that makes one says whether its with gambling or whatever, that, whatever the v ice whatever the thing that makes you addicted well, We want that one issue as people differ in their their conscientiousness right third degree,
self control and their ability to kind of temptations and keep their their eyes on the target like career, family kids do the right stuff on other people like I just control myself in any domain of life. Whatever it is, video game porn, doing my homework whatever, but I think we also cup, cut people. Some slack remember. Fewer teenager and you're. Really any video games on call duty whatever it is there Literally, thousands of people designing that game to be as effective as possible and beta testing attesting I finding it and and in so doing the level design. So it gives you just the right reinforces at the right place and course we're not going to be very good at resisting that, because the power of capitalism- and
Can an innovation to kind of exploit our brains is, is pretty awesome. Am I being naive, or are they just to be entertaining Minos, I'm just trying to make an amazing gained. That's totally immersive sucks you in or out really thinking hey this Jeffrey Miller Guy. I want to get him fucked up on battlefield earth now that was the John. RO, the movie right at that that did not care to say unreal tournament, and locked up on unreal tournament get him completely addicted to this day there just maximizing sale. And profit, and but are they doing it consciously or they just trying to make the best possible game that so entertaining and then it just as a side effect it becomes addictive. I think it's as well. Ok, if you're running a video game company, the folks actually doing the programming right, character, design level design, whatever
they wanted to be awesome. They wanted to just yet best game ever, that is to say on the plate, the management knows, we have to sell it. We have to make it compelling. We have to make people excited about the next version and add ons. So I think that those kind of like a super ego in it sure, going on even within companies or other the designers, just want it to be cool wrath and management. Just wants a viable commercial product, but does not just come, mountains cool, I mean I'm just plain devils african here cause, I'm not exactly sure, I'm free. With a few guys who make video games cliff, he be who worked for epoch games, who makes he showed us unreal way back in the day in four Jamie worker we get to see them. Making unreal torment like as we made, and I went to the aid offices,
they were working on Quick three, which are just these These games, to me again. I could be naive, to me that all they were doing just trying to make awesome shit that they like yeah and then it became addictive viscous. It was so good, I think, most of yeah, I mean this summer, like my girlfriend than our each do in working on our next book proposals, and we each go a little bit addicted vampires hd back in the day twenty years, go, and it's really find us. We learned a lot about each other just watching each other play like we had such different strategies and in terms of like what you build, what you prioritize high deal with enemies like it, it's an amazing kind of personality test in its own right and we got a little bit addicted. Temporarily in our own way and I don't think that's an intention of the designers. It's too
If you make anything awesome, whether its music, whether it stand a comedy or sex their sex, whether its long form tv drama like Ozark young people want that. You know it works its its brain candy. Yes, are you quote a Youtube? said about Ozark after I posted about how amazing and is I'm completely wrapped up in this second season? So incredible, but you're saying how they always make the kids Brady you know have kids. Do, though, have a daughter. You do twenty two. Hey, I didn't think she was Brady at all. I think she kept remarkably together for a teenager whose parents are murderers and drug dealers spoiler. I thought it was Jimmy you need some time alone where they need to talk to her, I mean you can't just let her go through life hanging out with some kid who lives in a trailer can we still in books. You got it, I kind of warmed up to it after like I'd watch first couple episodes- and
seemed kind of brandy, the daughter and really and now and then- and I don't care- must be amazing, like its awesome and an iron awhile kids aren't like her so but I think screenwriters get lazy about this stuff. They think well If there's a family, you need marital conflict and guide parent offspring conflict and you need secrets and lies and ends, but I think that way there handling it is amazing because the kid doesn't have that kind of conflict. The kid has like my opinion typical sort the relationship is other where he admires his father and his father's abilities, and you know- and he seems to be its. I just think that shows fuck great? It's so well read written. Rather, it just so it so twisted the so much going on selling? different levels, It's like I get anxiety, I start sweat and I feel like I'm he had bodies. While I love that you do don't read.
You know: what's: gonna yeah and legitimate, like it's. In a game of thrones you out that thing were any character could die at any time and that's what That is one of the major things that young people watching and I think we really good tv drama, you you got that kind of engagement It's it's like real life, like you know, the series will continue, but you don't know any particular character, but we didn't that for most of culture, that What s really interesting. It was through most of mass media fiction, that you saw on television in the movies, the good guy one when it was real, predictable and there was always like little bit adroit, you might lose whom I lose. Oh, he wins occasionally had something crazy, like Feldman, Louise driving off the clever whoa whoa is off themselves, that's the end of a movie, you leave them with ITALY holy Shit.
Gangster move. It was a few movies like that, but for the most part, will start. Unlike the golden age of sentiment, the Seventys, the comical to Cinema, you sometimes got those really profound, surprise, endings, for one thing: one example: the Hostler vanishing Point ok that doesn't want to challenge the guy or the challenger. It's like Africa, by a member of the car awesome corps, but I mean one thing that makes me optimistic about America. Is that the same adults who being fleetly insane to each other about politics on twitter? Whatever you are watching this really sophistical. Did you know a motion will incite full Netflix stuff yeah. I can't connect those those two things it's like when people aren't talking about certain issues are capable of.
In a really and appreciating really insightful drama, that's about the subtleties of human relationships and and moral ambiguous situations, and then go into the voting bills or get on twitter, and and it's like his back and his white and and that set and an I hate. Those people- and I love these people, and I cant connect the dots. But in the entertainment media that we appreciate versus the kind of ideologies that that we oversimplify yeah. I think twitter and I think well twitter in particular, but blogs as well. I think it is a horrible way to communicate when you are saying something: that's in dispute. You know because you're not challenged and I think This is also whether it's a hundred forty characters a tune and eighty characters. I just think this limited way of writing in text with
talking to someone without being in front of them and communicating with them in the subtleties of human interaction and social queues and recognising people's feelings, and it just its his poor way of getting your thoughts out in its very nonhuman. You know it's! It's v, three its it it too two gravitate towards cruelty, because there's no consequences for saying, cruel things? It's almost like you're you're, throwing a bomb over a wall and you're gonna whose over there, you know, like you, know, you're their seeing you not there's something about that. I just think is alien to the human condition, and I think it's. Having a real effect on civilization and our culture and how we communicate with each other, and I think it's galvanizing, the polar opposite and it's making people will go towards
these extreme laughs and extreme rights, especially people that are easily lead or maybe not so thoughtful about in a key objective way: their interpreting these events and not not being perspective, not looking at themselves with a critical eye and just aging in this sort of back and forth tribal shit with people that I just think- is it so strange to watch and particularly with when read something, and it's really well written like you could tell this an intelligent person, it's written, a bunch of nonsense and called people. All right and not season was the most recent one that box vocs. About the with radical. What is it this is a new, the right We I the reactionary right. Oh yes, that's it. The reactionary right does the new one. We have a new one now No, it's only a couple weeks old, the reactionary right, maybe it's time to
I made the weeping, if people do have a hunger for this more prime engaged kind of long form D. In which the ice hockey like this are really popular. My people willing to listen to you, know to reasonably smart people, talking for an hour theory about cool topics, because that's enough sure condition. You know. Imagine our ancestors hundred thousand years go around the campfire having a discussion Bout some fraught issue, while they would talk it through until it was more, us resolved or unless they at least identified, here's the things can agree on and here's the things we can agree to disagree on both twitter. It's it's just the exact opposite. It's not sitting around the camp fire, my it's! It's lobbies grenades over them and it's an infinite number of hand, grenades like save. You have thirty thousand followers or something got us. Thirty thousand people that might be lobbying, hand, grenades and then they
retweet to a bunch of other people and oh Jesus, then care comes Pino, especially its on some hot button topic that they would like to try men on to her. This is Is strange, while I think They know the human social psychology is it's very hard to reach any agreement without a certain amount of back and forth, preferably face to face in person with as much time as you know, yeah, and this is why things like the sort of time limited presidential debates drive me not. I would love to just have fifty sixty hours of candidates, shore talking it through, and people contain an unjust here. Ok, here here six hours about foreign policy, let's see what they really and then voters could have an informed choice. Imagine candidates actually learning something from each other right in
open and honest about the? Instead, they have to pretend that their their idea as a rock, solid and completely well thought out and rigid and impossible to evolve. This is it they ve got it you're wrong. And more than what my opponent wants, is some sites, terrible for America and God we when we see hustle so many times, and you it's the same, hustle every four years. I hope we get to a future where people are allowed to be at the cemetery. Humble like here's. What I don't know- and I dont know a lot about most things, even if politicians or scientists or media figures were able to take that attitude. Yeah and just it kind of gets back to help workers, point bright, everybody inwardly knows about most topics, virtually nothing or I've heard a few things. Third
and that I can kind of regurgitate at a party but we're all kind of expected to have an informed about everything, and this is from my tried, a model for my students, like thats the question and I really dont know the answer. I try to make a point of saying. I don't know, let's look it up. That's all That's how important the idea that, should know everything about everything is preposterous. If you're twenty year old underground you don't know what the typical fifty year old knows. You might think. Oh they probably mastered. Most of them In the world already- or you might think now, there's like gigabytes of stuff and they can't possibly know at all. Well, there's such as rector unto the average person has a like a very intensive job, like Savior involved in something computer coding, electronic something that's ten, twelve hours a day you're in engrossed
You don't have a lot of time to focus on other areas. We really have a lot of time to expand your understanding of whether its biology, mathematics, whatever it is, it doesn't apply to what you do for a living really very little time so this This notion that you, like people, were embarrassed about things they don't know, and I think that's really unfortunate it's it's one of the main stumbling points when it comes to. Open and honest discourse, dumb. If you dont know some things you know you just don't know something. And you does no way, you know everything. I think it's a great point allotted People have these cognitive, really demanding jobs, and that's not just white collar, workers or mean a lot of manual trades. You ve gotta, think about what you're doing and its, hard mental labour, and then you get home and you have dinner and you have the kids and their homework and your family life,
What are you gonna do by the time Finally, I have some alone time at whatever nine pm. Are you gonna turn on the nature channel and watch really hard core David Attenborough, more behaviour, docking, re, write or you and be like I'll, just watch out embryonic Jimmy judgment or whatever yeah yeah mean people want to escape. At that point, its there's not enough time in the day. One the most beautiful things about podcast, it was completely unexpected, for me, is It gives me this very unusual opportunity to sit down talk to somebody without an interruption for three hours, which I can never ass, someone to do in real life never came up before I give have dinner you and I went out to dinner. We reach, again, you know maybe with someone else have you with us different conversations be eating, or this amazing did you try. That was good here we have Burma is like little simple conversations, it's fun and everything, but it's not completely locked in like this. With the headphones on through my
Your phone, the knowledge that other people listening and that these these subjects. That you are discussing euro, allowing these ideas to play themselves out in you're, you're, sort of moving them around and asking questions and looking at him from different angles and and to have. Liberty and freedom to do. That is a very rare thing and for people to get to listen and I Enjoy SAM Harris's podcast, in particular radio labs on my favorite that one there's, so many good ones out there, but what's really good about them, is that you get in chance to listen to discourse uninterrupted on so uncensored on and This is something I think is sorely missing from the rest, our culture in it's one of the reasons why they scenes of cod on so. Well I mean, if you respect the ideas, are you talking about? You should be willing to give time yes and attention yeah and let them come to breathe.
Like opening a bottle of wine and just letting it do the originating before report and its funding much of the thirst there is for that I mean, if it asks me ten years ago, would anybody ever and three hours listening to a podcast, I would have said no. This justice is why where acceleration of culture, that's gonna, be austrian fast or nobody will watch more than a ninety second clip on you, too that'll, be it now and it set itself opposite way. I think people have a yearning for a moral, axed pace of dialogue that is actually a break from the frenetic pace of their work life. Right now I think, even like leaning towards things that are like tech reviews, things, long nose those are getting longer and longer when people or does it mean- never a television show where some
and would discuss cell phones in debt with no interruption for over an hour. This very common now, where where someone will go over all the different details of a phone and let you know like here, it's here's with new, but Galaxy, note, nine and and think it's fuckin thousands of views. I clearly someone's miss something. Yeah, I mean even on Youtube, like you can get twenty five. Minute reviews of like an air fifteen accessory. Yet not just like the rifle butt like the red dot scope, for water and or you I'm sure there long, but wanting reviews are what oh yeah there's a lot. Yeah I've seen him off. I mean, I think, that's just a more natural pace of human human discourse because bear in mind a hundred thousand years ago, sitting around the fire with a bunch of people know smart phones, no video, no tv
no movies, no record of music, the attainment is each other and it's not rushed it's like the sun. The sun went down. None of us are going to say for four hours. Or do we do tat entertain each other with jokes I mean I got the ukulele, they would have done stand of comedy, but don't sit down comedy well, somebody We stood up, held court toads good stories, I mean a good story is always valued good storyteller. This is My anthropologist colleagues tell me is you know status at Vienna, tribal societies, small scale, society is heavily dependent on not just how a hunter? You are how many kids you have it's. How entertaining are you in the evenings shore and the people who were just break the monotony or just gold? Third, there treasured Yeah they give you fuel to give you energy, like
when you're around someone is really hilarious, atone great stories, everyone around as I ha he get fired up, I'd yeah, it's I don't May. I have a rosy view of the future very optimistic, and I think that the chaos that we're going to right now, politically and socially in particular, this is, I feel like this is just an adolescent. Period of calm creation that we are experiencing this. This open flood like we ve opened up the barriers for communication? Anybody can communicate now, insist Kay, you take a while before the discourse levelled out. And you ve got a lotta loud noises on all sides and a lot of heat fighting for power and fighting fight. Four virtue fighting for Ever social Brownie points they get by pointing out.
Their position being correct in your position being foolish and silly- and this is the future- and this is done in- and its Theirs Is this cruel aspect to it, which is interesting like when, if someone missteps and someone says something that they were granted and they delete it, be theirs, is cancelled. Culture get rid of them off with his head because We realise the immediacy of all this and their terror out of it happening to damp. So it's like just throwing rocks at whoever might be the accused its fastened? to watch. We're going to need a whole new set of social norms or people just common fuck down about, and I think it's kind of analogous, like where of my favorite books about social history is called died, the bourgeois virtues by degrees mcclosky, an economic historians. She points out when you switch like the middle ages, wherever ones a peasant to this urbanized com, culture where people, mostly traders,
have little shops and whatever they to learn how to interact with strangers to provide value for money and they need. A whole new set of virtues that had to do with rely, melody and thinking what I'm making a what goods services and my providing that actually are useful and it took a couple generations for people to enter that kind of cap. Lest mode of what can I do it's helpful to others, thickened portmanteau? Now we have a cultural shift where we realize given social media. How do we cope with the fact that everybody virtue signals Everybody sometimes says things that are, that are mean and stupid. And everyone's fallible and anything you say will be on a permanent record. Basically, how do we cope with that?
we were used to a sort of public culture where everything is very polished and edited and curated, and in that time gone, so we need a new set of kind of social. Norms that cut each other, more slack. I thank ye. I would agree with you and I would say that the inclination towards kindness and communication and you're standing should be rewarded and that we We need to reward that in Austria, size people that are inclined to go towards this cancel culture idea, but we need to let people be aware of it. You know we're talking before the pod gas it I have like But all these emails and I can't catch up our cause- I was gone. I was in the mountains for six days with no cell phone service at all. I felt better when I was there. I just did
feel like there's a certain amount of anxiety that comes with being connected to all these people. All the time and constantly checking your mentions and concealed google NEWS to find out what chaos is coming our way and assist. I I just don't think that as healthy, and I don't think I think I do my very best to mitigate the negative effects of it, but my best is not good doing a great job, because when it's taken away from me- and I have had this happen- Twice over the last few months I was in Lanai small Island of why one of the wine islands and I broke my phone. It took few days them semi a new one die. What I feel so good so present and I feel so healthy and then this blows past the same thing: no cell phone service. For all his day, and so I just felt better. I think there's a
funny thing. Even that happened with burning than culture where like when it got started in the early nineties. It was let's all come together. And have this excitement of interacting more and now since burning mounds, one of the few places where you dont get cell phone service in you can't really the online. It's like a man. This is such a relief, because we literally can't stay connected. The community were in his own? seventy thousand people instead of four hundred thirty million, which is almost bolder. That's almost their colorado think boulders a little bit over one hundred. So seventy thousand is it's a fucking big city of freaks, it's a big city but feels intimate compared to twitter right for sure yeah I'd. I am fascinated by Bernie Man. I can't go because hippies, we'll drive me crazy and does too much dust, but I love you
and I'm not fully support. If there was like a funding of right, a Czech like this important burning man eyes where did as a project as an idea are necessarily want to go there until they got really polished and worked out. But I think what the idea- and it is fascinating people saying I don't like this I dont like where this is going. I think there's a lot people that would like to do something different. This is try it out for a week. Let's just everyone Phyllis agree we'll get together through these days and that's glitches and dance and rule of glows Dixon, where paste ease and get fuckin crazy do ecstasy and a lot of people, fuck yeah. Let's do it and then this thing happens this thing is only a few years old. I mean is what a decade and a half how many I've been doing it
the neighbouring the first burning matters like the Ladys, but it was still less couple dozen people and I just did gradually grew and really became a pretty solidified subculture by people. The late ninety and no leadership. While there is guy behind it? There's behind the scenes? Leadership of course, I mean that's. Another fascinating thing is depending on the political, lenses that you were when you go there, it's either like a libertarian paradise or its communist paradise, or its spontaneous solve organization of some sort- there is. There certainly are people who are kind of coordinating it. It's just or not. Will this tickets now it gets this hard to get its hard to get tickets areas it's even hard to get a parking pass. But this is my point like: why would they want to limit this thing? Who who is like a bitcoin thing like your arbitrarily, limiting the amount of bitcoin or deciding
there's a certain number and they're doing this with humans and sang camera. Go over. Seventy thousand ceased saying to work, but what, if they did little pages open up the floodgates gates and said anybody wants to come to burning man in and get it get fuckin crazy, just calm down. We think how many think would come half million poor boy, but it would be chaos right because it would like who supply as the export of party I am emergency medical services and where a pests for people having trips and, like you need some infrastructure and then you know, Nevada, state police have to kind of make sure there's not. Murders and staff? Did I come around oh yeah? no wonder they police how fast you draw. They must be so annoyed, What are they ve been deal with up until burning man, fuckin nuthin,
now just a little gentleman ass here and there and how got loose. Someone blew up a trailer their mixture wrong, but its fascinating in terms of how quickly went from not being a thing at all to bring its own so called it's a huge moral norms and dry, styles and systems of virtue, signalling and. Sort of political expectations about what beliefs are the right ones. To have, even though it didn't start out political at all. Well We get freaky go left wing. We hear people like wound, burning man. In this no real mail. Eyes wide shut type shit, we weren't masks and everybody's get a right yeah. You dont. Typically here people
I see people, though they might be right Mormons, are the nicest call of all time. I know if I have to say if, like there's one religion or to say like what it would have the what are your ex these people, though they might be right, Mormons are the nicest call of all time. They are some of the nicest folks. I know if I have to say if, like there's one religion were I to say like would what are your expectations of friendliness and niceness where where's where's the highest expectation. For me, it's Mormons this. The end result is a bunch, a really nice folks, like they have a. Conman one thousand eight hundred and twenty when he found gold in tableau. I contain the lost work of Jesus, and only he could read him cuz. He got a magic rock and all that crazy shit. It isn't lately ridiculous. But The end result is a bunch of really nice folks, like they have a wonderful community, they're, really nice to each other, once they got rid of all that polygamy, shit and I want,
it is his little family to select city and they lived there for a while, and he was really inspired by the kind of family value really, nice community of people there, like generally really friendly so my Grandad, who is a business school professor back in the forties, he moved his his little family to while accepting they lived there for a while, and he was really inspired by the kind of family values and one reason he sort of went on to have twelve kids of his own and not that he turned Mormon but thought Deronda something in terms of how soon Firstly, they take the future both on earth and and and after life. They believe after I don T get a plan or the wrong guy right, while this something I loved about the tv series expanse of using. I Keep hearing about it and I haven't gotten into a yet. It is two and a damn shows their awesome to watch these days soon, as I'm done with Osama jumpin, but
about it. Is that such maybe a couple hundred years in the future? And so we ve colonise Mars and asteroid belt and as one group of people who are building the membership to colonise distant star system and whose doing it, the Mormons of course, I thought of course. Of course it's gonna be a religion that has a far sighted approach. That's gonna prenatal S, done that's all about family values and, like increasing our numbers and and of course it's gonna. Be them not. What's social justice warriors putting together a starship. Yeah. What did you ever see the young, the oarsmen family, for the graph from whether other albums early albums, where they all got their own planet, because they think
when you die, you get your own planet, and so the album was based on that concept and like if you open up the album. So like. Oh here's what plan Arnie varies get her on the last Roy belt. You Heather Dirt only locked unloaded, do the the interstellar colonization nation, strange though I mean it straight it's strange. The blinders people go on that people put on in that they would put those blinders on like it's almost like a visas. King go hey, look, let's just all admit: Joseph Smith was full of shit, but good thing going on here. Folks were around nice to each other and seems to be some real positive energy involved. In believing this higher power in the greater good and overwhelming sense of community that we all have a name. Sense of humour about it lay out the way they reacted to the South Park guys doing book. Mormons fantastic was like therein the tyrannical our age ad in the play book. I mean that The end that is
A brutal musical. In terms of like the way their depicted buffoons. Believing in nonsense trying to recruit these indigenous people, it's kind of needs. Ruthless end hilarious at the same time and they like wonderful You want to find out more about being a Mormon come come to our website can check it out. Thank you. I think that, having that that humility in that sense of humour about what you're doing, I wish we some more of that in like academia because there's a fields that are very bad and and don't do good work, but that are terribly terribly serious about it like what, gender studies where you so four psychology. Gender studies posted something on Instagram. Yesterday I was at a bookstore and there is a feminist baby book says family,
baby, fines or voice, and it's a baby screaming into a ball warmly. This picture baby screaming into a born and- and I said that the lines between parity in reality have never been Bulgaria and some people at the lobby, but call me a piece of shit and I is are the rare times at Dover. The commerce is to tackle a look see into the gates, a hell but flick. That's fucking parity Focused Why is the baby screaming? born? What vote does she have did what what pray she is she rallying against at three months old. Is she screaming without the patriarchy, when she came a fuckin talk yet and there's more parity, why she fat an ugly Baby is that a baby looks like a thumb shouldn't even have a chin. This is key some even a real baby. It's like an m I'm with legs crazy looks, fucked up here and diverting gendered her. They put it
a boner which is really fucked up to due to a baby. You ve decided that she's a girl. How dare you piece of shit you trance building ass and the routes is a little bit. She's got whore make up on she dressed up like a fuck clown. Already, as a baby fucked up hair, these big nutty eyes, it's crazy, her voice. She found her voice fantastic. She can't talk yet that's a baby what we shall listen to the baby, give the baby born what's up Other round I got poop What is the baby Peggy, saying she's. Fine, Her voice, legates parity, even at the book as one Therefore, I dont know that it's not maybe two great book, maybe it's fun, maybe silly book that parity that fuck it would be a goddamn character on South Park, a baby feminist with a bow, that's
Screams of the top of your lungs was us free. The nipple. Right now. I'm hungry I get it. I was at home, that's from a bugger. Yes, feminist baby, maybe it's a great, but I think it satire, but if I do here's the thing like if you're, in a field where you can't tell whether something is from it or its satirical right, then you need to lighten up about your field. Yes, and just lay under studies. You sound and protect well yeah yeah, in particular, but But what is it about it that leans itself towards foolishness. I think it's very hard to do good
work in a field where you have to everyday systematically deny common sense and and deny the evidence of your own eyes and ears about what's right in front of you like how sex differences work, I think that create a habit of interacting with the world in a way that says I study is gonna, be completely divorced from every aspect of day to day life and everybody else. I encounter who's. Not in my field because if, if you allow any cross talk between like You saw a blank slate gender ideology and the real world. The ideology crumbles. So you can. You can only maintain it behind this wall of of insulation and and that's a terrible position to begin. I dont envy the p
or who live their lives outlay in it. It all grows inside the walled, gardens of academia and outside of that it's these. Now you get internet groups from people that certain we're indoctrinated into these ideas in in college or- and this also I think in some ways there's a levelling of the playing field that a lot of these ideologies present some people where they are They go now, you're, not a freak you're. Ok, this There was some silly article on fat, acceptance tailored and it was talking And then they got superpower, which is fine, I accept people who drink accept. I've checked all kinds of unhealthy choices, but listen. Don't lie to me. Just Don't lie about the physical reality of what you ve done, your body. If you reach foreigner pounds, that's not does unhealthy you're, saying it's healthy, you're, saying it's! Ok! Now you just not! ed, yet if you lost two hundred pounds, you would feel wonderful. That would be
healthier like diffuse. Every Daniel Gluck, no cancer, smoking's healthy. No, no! You just you just but you're, body is dealing with it. Your way, its processing it. It won't be able to forever. That is exactly what's going on, if you're morbidly obese and for you to pretend any differently, and did you go on about this for acceptance man and he now in the big beautiful this in that, unlike know, you're obese, you ve eaten too much food. If you see a fat guy, How come he doesn't get the same sort of treatment? We see morbidly obese man is underwear. No one saying he's beautiful cause. He's dead, lasting and he's fat and he's lazy and is east addicted to food, we all know it, but if it's a woman, we're so inclined to like, except just looking. Let her go. She fine, you're, wonderful, you're, beautiful you're amazing, like kids Geek, given her space. We treat them as if their income
capable of recognising the absolute reality of their physical being. I think it's important in order to. Address both the kind of individual choice, level and also the kind of systemic level like the food industry. And what is being promoted and how our federal government promoted for ages- and it was this terrible situation where you could have followed exactly what the FDA, commanded and it would have been bad for you for decades and Because a lobbying, and because of the powers that be and an influence and- and I think that's the level to criticise right, if you have a systemic problem like promotion of tobacco, Products and you want to safer alternative, then yeah you got addressed the tobacco industry. We have this,
bizarre situation, for example, where a lot of people in my department work on alcoholism, treatment, research. How do you get people drink LA were they work on how to get people to stop taking opiates? How do you use opiate action? if you make a suggestion, like oh here's, Moscow, new research showing that if people switch from opiates to canvass But like dramatically lowers the risk of death or, if they switch from alcohol to cannabis it. It has all these health benefits relatively to like being an alcoholic, but it's kind of considered taboo to raise that in a lot of medicine and psychology huh. Well, it's like. Oh you you're, giving in to people being self indulgent. If you say they said they should switch from one thing to another in a kind of harm reduction, mode,
most like em, methadone, type, solution, yeah and a lot of come out of a kind of twelve step programme. Mantality words like you have a disease. If you ever do anything that is bad for you than you relapsed, Anne and that's feeding or disease. I think that's, idiotic he had not the Evidence- shows that's not the way to treat any of these physical addictions, but something like cannabis is an alternative. Is. It's totally marginalized in academia like you really can't talk about it as a valid alternative where people could come home and they can drink or there come on. Let's get high and may be getting high for a lot of people might be better. It's that changing. No, I scenery evidence at its changing, at least within academia. Really, I would think that thou
one of the first places, where does change because The influence of the pharmaceutical industry isn't so deep We entwined and the system itself its now. Pharmaceutical industry, people are dropping off pamphlets on talking points when you're giving lectures while here's a problem who gives you the research funding to look into this right. National Institute of Alcohol and call them or national and stood drug abuse. If you do a grand proposal that says. Here's an alternative that might work. They won't shouted down cuz. The federal government does not those agencies dont want to blow back of some senator saying. How dare you find this research that says this is a valid alternative, so everyone who works in these areas is kind of locked into a system of of grant funding that subject to kind of political censorship by the FAO.
The agencies. Do you remember those talking dog commercials of about ten years ago? Where are they was a girl. She comes home from school dogs like Lindsey, really wish you wouldn't smoke, but you need to see When you I miss my friend, and the signal stone at a reminder, dogs talk nor dog runs away. It turns out there The organisation that funded those commercials was funded by tobacco alcohol and pharmaceutical companies like their drug dealers, who are against drugs is literally like hookers In a commercial again strippers, literally what it's like- and we just accept this that was all over television. It was ever way look became. Parity we have came from asters. It was like this. Your brain on drugs. Remember the eggs have resigned, I'm hungry me to meet me, in had jokes on that
give me the monkeys, man. This is insanity that this is Allah. Take place is that drug that kill, enormous numbers of people are alive, two demonize drugs that kill no one ever in the history of use. If you look that rationally? If you were something from some the planet? There was studying the human race and You saw the way we programme people the way we spend enormous sums of money to project a certain idea and get it into people's heads through these very ill essential, short memory. Both videos you'd be like this is culture and civilization org an organism that is mad madness, you're after asked, like myself,
How is this going to look in fifty two hundred years to whatever my my great grandkids or future people who stumble upon my books, or this podcast or whatever and. If this would make zero sands and will be totally embarrassing, both intellectual and ethically, then don't take it seriously And this particular issue, I think it's really important for citizens to understand how much of science is constrained by what can be funded by the federal. And that we are not actually supported to do certain kinds of research that might be really helpful to people It's the same thing with sex research right. It is virtually impossible to get federal funding to do any concepts. Research in America, So what do you do you write to do something else, and then you kind of do this x rays,
on the side, using like some of the resources. I don't do this, but everybody I know, does sex research does it. Is it because there are concerned that the image of funding sex research, verses funding of whether it so is it hunger, power pretty whatever it is like the vizir there's of resources to go around. Why would you spend any money studying this? You must be a pervert its partly that, but it is partly. The individuals and wash in turn. Who administer these grants? Dont want the political flak. If some politician discuss oh you're you're doing funding on on like how women can have more orgasms outrageous right and it's like, that sounds like one of the most hostile effective ways to increase human happiness. I've ever heard right bribe
Poor embarrassed of organ embarrassed about it, embarrassing all sex marital therapy, research you can do like it Wanna research. How do you make a monogamous relationship, less full of stress and argument? You can get some money to do that, but even there, like the kind of suggestions you could make are quite restricted in terms of what what kind of therapy are allowed to research to talk about so Rpi, which citizens understood this, because their tax dollars are not being allocated in the best way to deliver benefits in their real lives to their families and their relationships that they could do so. To bring it back to obesity, what what would like- and I bet So the same value as you would like
to take some of these sort of influential videos that we see done that demonize innocuous, draw like marijuana and put those on sugar put. Those on unhappy people are addicted to sugar. People are addicted to how many things that are causing obesity, so many things that are causing us to have this epidemic of if you go to Disneyland its want to satisfying the world to see how many people are on scooters cause, they ve eaten themselves out of their ability to be mobile on their own. That is all flowing or the other side of these scooters. It's it's very depressing and then you see them whether eat drink and slots she's in need in our eating fuckin nonsense, and this this is a and again it's another addiction and India availability of it is so I mean imagine if you are heroin attic and every where are you went? Has heroin? That's what it's like to be a sugar products.
You're sugar attic every store you going do is filled with your drug every seven eleven right. When you go to pay your gas or whatever you do in its fill with your drought right there. In front of you, your drugs everywhere- and you know it if you want to do something alternative like I've been involved in the paleo movement for a few years and unlike my girlfriends began, and if you want to find good, paleo or vague in food I'm getting a little easier, but it's not mainstream enough! That. There's like a whole island, Walmart devoted to act. And as a shitty I'll yeah. So I know that the food system is a pretty. Hard not to crack because does an awful lot of money at stake, and we often margins on junk food are very, very high and is also very difficult to keep things on a shelf. Things get mean
you have real fresh food, it goes bad, very quickly and its natural. That's what it's supposed to do, and good lock keeping a supermarket open. If you can only keep your vegetables for a couple of days now, there was like long life. Caille I'd be pretty sight about that. There would be some like some sort of artificial turf. Tipped tail at stuff goes bad, quick! You know, gets funky here. But I'm kind of excited about new developments like clean meet me. I am doing something like ethically that'll, be awesome we'll see what kind of monsters and make its can be strange to say, headless Meat slabs, No central nervous system to grow and trying to figure out how to get it to have a gun, muzzle consistency like her. Filet, mignon or something I mean that you get. It really is an animal like different cuts of meat have a different
sure to them, because there's different muscle density, the animals used their body. I think after electrically stimulate the mythology, so it's kind of has two twitch it's where you, but and people would it have nerves, then disgusting people would make. The and then that it could feel somehow another and some new Bring dimension it'll have like a fake fate. Nerves. What I'm excited about as you could potentially have meat. That's not just from like the top three species could eat meat from being able pigs and chicken, while young people. Just what one of my edgier tweets was like a celeb these will start selling pieces of themselves that can turn into like o Brien Gosling Stake. You know one incurs that brow. Trust me right. Don't go down that road, you two delicious. Yeah man, I don't know about all that
We should encourage. Does what if people are delicious stuck of euro problem, I think the lab grown people always be cheaper than like. About that, a big by someone real cheap and some sort of third. World country for food in other. Terrible, not terrible in a bad way, but in terms of its revelations, there's a documentary peace from vice on Liberia and one thinks about It was that they were so human meek, and that This guy recognised it because he had eaten humans before and so There is a stand that was selling me on the side of the road and he turned the men selling human meat. And the reason why he knows because he had eaten people like ok once an x y know what the fuck you if you, if you gave me a piece of lamb, you didn't tell me what it was. I feel like not sure
We people you have to eat before you absolutely. No, that some things, people like fuck man so that a lot of lamb chops would not bet one hundred percent on my ability to distinguished a lamb chops from say of a veal chop or venison chop, they all this stuff is gonna. Create some Roma quandaries, like there'll, be the saw what Jonathan Height calls moral dumbfounded, Rio Jacques. That is disgusting here. Why? I don't know it just is like I can't give you reason, while robot brothels. This is one of the more recent discussions, the ethical implications of robot brothels and there's a robot profit is scheduled to be open, where's that Germany, so where does it believe, I believe is- and this irish people up in taxes How powerful taxes of girls is Texas
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That will not win. Do make that connection that that's that's it Ricky connection right, because most people think of rape. They don't think of it as an act of arousal or sex or you know intimacy rather is a thing of power at some sort of a creepy. So perfect, psychopathic behaviour, trade. I know that's a standard you engender feminism. I dont think its well supported by the evidence. For example, there is a big problem with rape in India right and porn. As far as I understand is illegal now that accessible though, or is it I don't? I don't think it's even like. I think it's pretty hard access porn websites from India, but I think a few legalised porn there. I predict the rate of sexual abuse would drop
willing yeah. I you boy they'll, be words sort of experiment, but the thing about robots and sex is they're. Gonna get so good. That's gonna be like a person and then we're gonna be in this weird ex machina sort of situation where how would you feel like what, if you're dead, around that really hot japanese girl, an ex machina. She starts taken up clothes like. What do we do here? She feels warm, hence beautiful. She smells good like this. My all my senses, autonomy is a person and she's a good listener. Yeah she's pretty doesn't nag, you doesn't give all nag you or you may be mansplain now pay it my favorite, if you're correct and you have a penis you're, a man's plainer, Gabby, real, careful
your information away, distributed to Ladys these days. They used to be a horse s, words being patronising and yes, while also could be called being correct. Yeah I'm sure correct it, is happening, realigning explaining true things as a crime while went on the gender studies? We circle back to this. This sum denial of reality- and we know there's. There's this sort of really broad spectrum of sexuality in terms of. Male female, terms or in terms of the obvious. You know what rock on one side and Kate Upton on the other right now super female, Ober, males and then there's all these who's. The guy was in the habit of logic it's that guy. He certainly sir weird space between the two, those people right and wrong. Well it's not really androgynous. But in terms of like,
You compare him the film the Blank Herschel Walker, not that manly, You know and then there's there's women that dont. Represented by these standard views of female sexuality is well, but this just speak too. Variability the human genome, and it is that just deal in general. This different people that breed with. Different? People in different shapes come out until we figure out how to manipulate, though shapes which seem to be right around the corner. With the robot fuck dolls, it seems like they're. Both can arrive, probably at the same time where you gonna be able to choose from having. So the robot or having sex with the hawk like there's gonna, be real positive. Ilities that everyone's gonna look like Thor with this seems like does not to our way. One two three generations, maybe civilian side of our lifetime, we'll have mass the human form, to the point where work it's gonna, be preposterous means can be like a star wars, canteens seen everywhere, you go oh yeah! Well, this is
what happens when we have a biological and haitian, that opens up new possibilities in terms of the evolution of bodies or behaviors. As you get this, de radiation. This explosion of possibilities like the Cambrian explosion right five hundred thirty, years ago and most finally figured out. How do you programme multi cellular body with a nervous system and as soon as I got that boom you ve got all this. These bizarre forms, and then you get dinosaurs and mammals at us. We can programme the Human genome and you have parents who are like I I want to select for kids who are like, really tall and really religious and other parents are like. I want you little habit. Babies who were like hardcore atheist furry feet and you'll, be you'll, get a divergence. Imagine your parents decided to make you a habit. I take it down.
Anything they want members before early adopters. I imagine it's going to be about fetal transformation about taking something in the womb, manipulating and then, as it, urges and then evolving and grows Then you gonna see what it is. If you fuckin parents, we're just gigantic J R token fans- and you have heard very feet- you two feet tall like what the fuck Mom, like you asshole, I just one habit. I did want a baby, neither habit or caved fall, so you should call your boss, that's entirely possible. I think that I think this exports will come a lot. Quicker gear place away. What do we got? What do we have that right now in terms of sex, but when we look at what say state of the art, type Google state of the art sex Robot circle, Ignacio. They have their text, I think they look pretty good
they're, not gonna good, I'm good at like language or conversation, I contact- or and our movement or whatever. I think they will be this tipping point where they can do conversation, that's good enough right. It doesn't have to be quite as smart as an actual lover, but be a hell of a lot nicer than an actual lover. It can have better memory, Freud preferences and your desires, and your and like it'll, also more tradable in terms of it'll kind of I just the last time I asked this question like you and respond much, but this other question you talk for five minutes. All ask more of that right dissolve very problematic, very problematic here discussing here Jeffrey, your tone train a bull Well, my girlfriends nicer on sometimes people or nice when you're nice to them Jeffrey Habit,
be nice first set of expecting this fucking robot just take care of your dick and balls and be nice. You all the time. Remember all the stuff you like what about it. We would develop and Totalled narcissists sociopath with robots that we get it. To do it if we want, with brown to them on a leash, well so There are two different ways. I go right right, on the one hand like, if is a woman president, let's say, and she has access to a male sex spot like really funny cuz. It's like its little neural network as learn like all of your stand up routines or how to add a refund. Today's news and and it's a great listener and remembers everything about her back story. I can either be like, like I can't compete with that I'll have to discuss it. I'll have to say you you're not allowed to see him anymore or all have
the level up and be better yes, like, like humans, I I hope people were level up somewhere and we'll get to see me learn from the people. Dont level up like how they fall apart. Our present you with an even more disturbing scenario, something Bobby, like another Jeffrey Miller's, handsome guy, like the fuck em, all when they gonna make a version of you and bring around the more with a leash on and you regarding the apple store and a version of views, can be kicked and come with a dog cholera. Stand right next to you or your by the new man. Working like worth of FARC and it's gonna be totally legitimate cause. You know, Look at all well ass. They look like forcible face lads, So it looks like though this is this is this is like when you're looking at one of them digital?
renderings of a house they have built. Yet what do we got here? Pound Are they warm. Billy's the others closeups creep me. I've come on get a. I it's how, stern leaders that's creepy. They haven't pass the uncanny valley. Clearly that was Harry Chess with the FUCK guy Roma a long video, yes up, I mean people do like celebrity. Deep fakes, xbox, and there will people wandering around with their Jordan Peterson's export on a the store where have you the porn where they do face. Swaps. That's debts is getting really good. There really go to now. This is another social revolution we're gonna have to brace for as an era one you can do a credible porn, fake of any celebrity or any citizen yeah, just based on like sampling, their facebook photos, or do you know Kyle done again is-
hilarious stand comedian who has the funny Instagram, page of all time and his is to grant page is about eighty percent of him doing face. Why videos of the car to ashes and present trump, Kenya West and they just so fuckin ridiculous, because you know that their fake cause, it's real obvious terrific, but its assent like a new art form, if you think of likes Catch comedy and hear play one form, so we got here is a good one. I was a big job now, when I was at your tiny white House, I put up a quarter in the chair. Yeah, he replied, I stood another job, young man Read TAT, sweet, I obeyed. She's got the weirdest ass, but also sorted terrific Socratic,
it goes speller chair information here about movement about it now to have for the nazi rhetoric, but natural totally danger that you are a period light blow day. Maybe data guy, you that's dead chicken. My buddy lilies realistic, though dad. Oh no, I try to open up this year paid battle to celebrate by retreated comedy So those cars Duff see what I love about. This is so obvious. You know it's it's. This is essentially mean most Let me has another little sketches he does, and in Scrambridge, but most of his stuff is his face, swap thing:
Which is a mean relatively new technology, wouldn't Mama's face web invented less than a decade or so on your phone yap that good pretty soon just a few years and become this new form of comedy of Sketch Comedy with a guy like him was such a good impressionist out, but This is crude and obvious, and how is it going to be before someone can actually mean they. They already have machine that allow the technology that allows you to take, especially someone like me, whose talked for was hours. You take your voice, you take all of the recordings that have ever done more than a thousand podcast here throng of his machine and basically have all my various inflections anger, sadness, laughter, giddiness bid perplexed. All the different words that I have in my vernacular, and you put them all into this thing and you
kind of morphine around its Photoshop for voice, so you have the video where you can face CO, op and manipulate people's images, and it's getting better and better all the time and you have Photoshop for voice. You can send make movies with people where they just whenever you want them to do, yet we pretty soon totally. Impossible to tell a fake audio recording from real. Now and then fake video from real. And what do we do? Then? It means we can't really trust digital records of people, In the same way, it also means you can might be good? I mean it means you can digitally sample. Anybody use are good communicator it can do an unlimited number of I mean could have David Attenborough. You know natural history that is forever even after he's dead right, but he
also we doing nazi propaganda videos as well. That's, what's really weird you could. Essentially it would be up to the user Someone like cow done again, but an evil version could take David. Edinburgh and you know, yeah you do whatever you want like what were saying about communication that you, this open Ludgate of communication were learning how to manage all the implications of this really recent, and I think with thumb Human relationships will have to figure out, can ethically. Once say, once somebody can make like a deep, fake video porn of their ex lover right right. Wife, wife, catches them watching it, ok or in the wife, buys a sex bought and keeps it at work,
where is like is that Sweden comes home from work exhausted all blasted, unlike when watches I don't wanna hear even talk to one overshoes broken fuck happened here. Is that cheating some people think that I mean some people think looking at porn is cheating. Is that argument? Mynors people have standards, vary Varying levels of standards- and they don't negotiated. They don't talk about it. This is my friend David lay points out in his boss, gum ethical porn predicts, which is about responsible porn viewers, ship for men, that, if you're in a relationship of the woman, your straight guy, you need to have the talk about. What is your girlfriend consider cheating in terms of porn, watching Most guys don't have the guts to have a conversation. Most women don't
either, and then there is the got. So you don't want open up that door, just keep it on Sneak Tipp. She can't complain. And then no one knows nothing in a world that everybody finds yes smile and you go to the movies in your hold hands? Geoffrey and everything's fine kiss you good or shut down. The grave should down into the why you watch that wrong com. You think it is only the ball gag tied up in a basement Covenant baby oil right now. Somebody's going to a happy place I'll have to go. There. They'll go there all day, sometimes soap, the people to talk about the stuff like grownups and and. As the technology keeps advancing bright and becomes more and more in the line between like.
Porn on real life gets fuzzy and by with robots and then virtual reality can be very strange. I can, I think, that price. Hopefully, what's going to happen, is there's going to be some sort of a merger between virtual reality and robots like that would be like the the real ultimate brothel What you insist, so you wouldn't be as Confused by the Uncanny valley because there's so much closer individual sense of replicating, none of it I'm sure ve seen like that. Some of the more recent video games are gone. Of war and a is really high. End games graphics are so intense, especially in the the little scenes they do, whether there there have promo clips and stuff you look at I guess this real in game video that I'm looking at you, citizen, SAM Elixir and wash your movie, that this
in combination like some sort of real for K De virtual reality in combination with the sex robot, is probably where people going to go. I think so and then the other question is like what happened without technology in terms education and collar dry and how people acquire Skills and knowledge and insight it's really really hard to imagine that people still think in fifteen years, ok going to physical classroom and sitting in listening to the average community college like adjunct, professor talking about human sexuality or, gender, feminism or radical signs that they'll think that's a state of the art. That's the way. We should do that, and and then what happens? I mean
It seems unlikely that universities, as we know them or keep existing in anything close to their current. Form, and yet no one's talking about this, like I wouldn't be that surprised at half the universities in America go bankrupt within fifteen twenty years, so do you think the people going to be getting their education in some sort of an online form, some sort of virtual classroom, far more some maybe knew not yet created version, some new virtual reality form that's a lot more interactive? I dont think it'll be just watching videos and then taking quizzes. Have paid attention to what Elon Musk has been saying about his neural link about yeah here. What do you think about what you ve heard so far. I think it will be very, very hard technically to do that, but would have What do you know about it? If you can
plant people, it on a war torn the finest correctly. Having watch like you. And are you alone etc just concerned at the bandwidth, connects the brain to the world or the brain to the internet is quite narrow, like you can get a lot of information quickly through your eyes and ears, but your speed of like typing and controlling things is, or speaking as is kind of limited. So I think there's a push to kind of open up that that bandwidth and the speed of communication between human brain digital reality and other people, if they figure out a way to do that, it's a total game changer in terms of how people interact with not a social media, but in general, with each other, I mean it.
Means basically, you have a global telepathy system. If you want and then everything changes, because it means the ease with which one part my brain, communicates with another part: isn't that much higher than these with which that part communicates with somebody else's other brain part. What I've been thinking about some sort of universal language and that, if that's, if they bridge the gap. Between cultures and civilisations and though the way people communicate in doing so would do it through sums. The digital interface and instead of like very simple characters that equal words that you put to your linguistic disk dictionary and you have an understanding of what this person's talked about. Instead of that, you get like real clear concepts, maybe even like anymore. Oh gee, formal, hieroglyphic form or some sort form where we figure.
Out over x amount of years how to communicate through agreed upon imagery or agreed upon data in some sort of away that lets people express emotions and and perhaps more, grossing and more complicated than the actual language that were enjoying right now. Yeah it'll, be Amazing, I mean evolutionary back story to this right, as you basically have the whole history of life on earth before him in that language, where Adam communication is pretty primitive. Like all you really have at the most complicated is like nightingales, producing complicated birdsong to track mates, that's about as much as in get what about like chimps have certain sounds for tigers and other sounds for eagles, that, like Maximum of maybe a dozen different sounds but with human language compared to that,
it really is suddenly like having telepathy, where you can community so much so quickly so efficiently and yet. In our view, Neuro Link works. It would be as far in advance of languages, languages of animal signalling, woe. And it's hard, it's hard to imagine what the world looks like, because. You know imagine a form of twitter where it's not just through your thumbs on a keypad, but it's a direct brain interface. And when people at such a saying something meaner, stupid. It's even thinking something meaner, stupid that could immediately get posted and
once you kind of starch sharing your whole subconscious with people through neural link, then. We will have to level up with some new social norms about what what that means. Radical honesty we can take from each other. That seems to be where the future is the complete. The dissolving of all boundaries between people and information, people and their lives, and that some sort of a away of recording your actual experiences. Or letting people share them in real time. Like imagine, if people decided to let people through some virtual reality scenario put on headsets an experience you having sex with your girlfriend they say: hey we're, gonna fuck on periscope come on join in, and everyone
they just puts on their neural link there. Augmented reality had said, and they put on their habitat feedback suit, which is No now- and you don't like phone ten level. You know you go back I found, wants peace, shit happens, feedback, tens can be incredible, it's gonna be silky. Smooths can feel a real touch and They're gonna be able to have sex along with you can have a digital orgy that's coming within fifty years. Maybe earlier, that's a very Conservative guess: yeah, honey percents come up there. It is Jesus Christ Jamie there's a heretic feed, back system looking around in there. What is this by all this couple? Sex is far too take closer folks. Why weren't goofy outfits Ten superheroes What are you? What are these things for climate control systems, Biometrics systems motion, capture in
tar system, boy, we're fucked Jeffrey, the r r, M are she's all happening. Wayward were chit chat and about these people Verde engineered it answers he's gonna be totally blindsided by this year, because everybody, thanks are well. I saw it on black mirror, but I know that's not. Even my like, so I don't have to worry about a reiteration yet because it's only science fiction like you, said something on SAM Harrison show that gave me a little bit of hope that turned out, not be true, You sure she sets up the you're talking about asteroids about ability to recognise, asteroids and and stop the impact, no court The grass Thyssen we need it, ten years. We need to know. There are ten years, they're gonna hit and ten years, and then maybe we could do something
I'm comforting is a well ok, here's the thing it would be really good do invested at least a few tens of billions of dollars in doing that sure as insurance, but like the probability of a significant asteroid intact within the next century, is pretty low, if I understand, correctly things. Guesswork does motherfuckers with Bio time, wash Where does the probability of us getting hit? Eventually? Is a hundred percent yeah it'll happen? Probably a few million But but why do you say that is that to make us feel better I'll, be long gone? My greek debt, great great great great, great, great, great great great great great great great grandchildren, have to worry about that. Well, you gonna play the odds right I mean
we can we eyes a week. We could be exterminated by a gallery burst from like a supernova at any time with us here with no warning, but it's pretty unlikely- and it hasn't happened before in the history of life on earth bright. But it happens constant we all throughout the universe. There was a documentary watch once the freaked me the fuck out, it was hyper nervous and they were talking. Well when they first are discovering them that they were really act concerned that there was A war going on in space and then the they recognise that all these explosions were happening all day long and they thought there was a war or going on in the cosmos, which is really fascinating? I think this is like. When this guy wants his sixties and they discover this- that make sense in a way it surprisingly, we haven't seen evidence of that happening already right.
When, when I wrote my piece about the Fermi paradox, which is why don't we have evidence of aliens already? My solution is basically well. Most species that are intelligent, that invent that technology, wrapped up in video game, and virtual reality and sex technology, and that it does distracts them and they cannot drop. Ball on staying alive and exploring anything I think, is still quite likely that that happens, the most intelligent species that they just kind of disappear up their own bottles. Yeah or they create some sort of an artificial life form that far more advanced and anything that its biological and has no desire need or no thanks to reproduce in our view, if we create I have said this to many times that I think that we are, essentially, some sort of aid. Some sort of electronic caterpillar the gives birth to a technological butterfly and we're
you can write. Now we don't know or doing and we're about crew artificial life and they were doing Through our intense desire, Innovation constantly want newer, better things, whether its televisions, cars are phones whenever, like that, it's perfect what's to stop here, never did as always towards every fill in the time period, we want a new version, a better version with improvements, and we keep getting those and this is what fuels in many ways: it it fuels our desire, form materialism, materialism embody. Is embodied by text actual innovation, which are ways warning. But when you get past jewels he always want the newest grace. Innovations I think it a certain point. Humanity's gonna have to bite the bullet and say we should plan. Which innovations come first, what happens next and we might even have to have like regulation or social taboos. That say
really shouldn't go down that path until we do this other thing. First, that makes us ready to do that thing in a safer. More rational, more ethical. We have it s a big word right, rational, like we're not really rational and competition. Especially when it so dealing with different countries, have different human rights laws and standards of behaviour in thinking. Well, has a problem with regulating like artificial intelligence is how do you get China to play ball I was gonna, say China. Anyone seem racist well, do it and Russia to a number of doing China's author because they are smart and organised and future oriented, and they can do long term planning and text logically, the incredibly fast I mean souls. If our advance a word or this government rather is trying to keep the boy
phones from China. From getting to America yeah I mean who always probably has some pretty close links to the chinese military us right, yeah does to the chinese government. Dictatorship and, of course it's it's a lovely system if, while phones are backdoors alive, the Chinese to learn a lot about Americans and our culture, and our communication does concern its. That's actually more of a concern to me, then, like military spying in the strict sense, because I think. China, so many people working on cyber warfare that we probably don't even any idea what their capabilities are, but I think I insight into like here's
american psyche and here's how their political thinking works? It will be quite a bit easier to a kind of manipulate in terms of our geopolitics, Because we don't have anything analogous, I think where, like is the Pentagon trying figure out. How could we not chinese social media use, I don't think that interests I'd, be surprised if the doing it well bored Fasten is Google's take on China is that there were went to censor video internet searches because they feel like if they dont changes can copy, their technology do anyway, and so this least therein there. My boy, that's us, sketchy way of sort of. Absolving yourself a very bad feelings about censorship, We are contributing to censorship. Government issued censorship,
you want to control the market? and we're going all yeah. Well, you know I can't google Tienanmen square. You literally king, Google Tiananmen Square. It seems like there's a huge difference between China's authoritarian regime in the american political system, but I think they're not quite as different as a lot of folks think like if you talk to chinese academics about like what can you research from? What can you not research like they have different constraints and Americans do, but on at the pragmatic, level. There are certain topics that they can address, that we can't and vice versa. So it's not like this just dimension of freedom and were better than them on on every aspect of it, and I again I think, american citizens have no idea how restricted american scientists are and in kind of what were allowed.
He is not allowed to or what you can get grants and approval for and is that the same thing is allowed to effectively same thing, because you, if you don't, have any funding you're, not getting this necessary, you can't do science without money and, in fact, like if I was starting my career again at this point I wouldn't go and academia. If I wanted to understand human behavior, I would go work for Facebook or Google because they have much more data about human behavior than I could ever get as a scientist, are they doing that? I'm sure they're doing it, but we don't know what they're finding cuz they don't publish journal papers. It's all it's all commercial secrets. So what I'm sure that, like.
Facebook understand a lot more about social psychology than social psychology. Does, at this point really yeah? How could they not that, like one point, two billion people, interacting so We regularly and they data mind how out of that, for commercial purposes, regularly publishing things other sharing misinformation, internal, I'm sure it's all into But internally, do you think they're publishing things? I don't know, that's the thing here: it's just a little bit alarming when the state of the art and understanding behaviour isn't public. That is alarming and then Mark Zuckerberg might a robot to rights, Ngos worried about that might be its exports. We ve we played in terms of video him drinking water
You drink water like that crazy fuck, it Sir just kidding, marked don't my count. That we're we're looking at in terms of like Google and Facebook. And twitter and even Youtube we're looking at these enormous Organizations that I dont, they had any idea. What they were going to be you know. I really particularly feel that way about twitter when Twitter first started out do you remember how it used to be like you would use like you're, like Jeffrey Miller, is enjoying a cup of coffee? You you, talk about yourself in the third person was really weird. You now at Jamie Vernon is going to the movies and.
How people talked the early days of twenty people rose with a fuck. My doing you have that sort of the reason it developed, because there is no group, take texting back then in two thousand and seven are six when the started, so it was developed, foregrip texting, so you could air. What you were doing with a group of your friends was that what it was for. I opened it so that more people could follow. If you wanted to and then celebrities jumped on and then a random like they started at inability people just start doing at Joe Rogan yesterday, like added debilitated to click that and Sheridan Tag, it yeah so weird, and then you think about it now now it's a vehicle for the president to threaten other countries, and it is that it's the global What form and particularly America, is that the public square, where everyone shares ideas and lots, a less verbose version of Facebook. Private facebook is you just can right too much. I can't keep up with you bro and
the really really ridiculous people who just paragraph after paragraph of run on sentences with no no editing at all like yeah. It's a lot about. Is a very long story about my most recent emotional trauma or I don't know if anybody ever is like having a break up or divorce on Facebook. Us man on this stuff few months, yeah and then they reach out hoping so people say it's gonna be Ok mark everything's, fine, like moves you gonna forget about her eventually anxious and people keep gone back to whose left comment here. Maybe he liked it move. She changed her my birth but I mean it is very kind of funny and interests
nobody predicted fifteen years ago- exactly how humans would make use of this new technology. But nobody in psychology is talking about. A twitter is going to radically transformed the way that science operates, for example, news of failed applications will be spread within three days to everybody in a field and Anybody who does scientific misconduct will be suddenly like pushed out within a week or, A new result will be shared. Globally within twenty four hours. Nobody is thinking about that. So there's like science, twitter, politics, twitter, entertainment, twitter and. They ve all kind of change the game in their respective fields?
and we didn't understand human nature well enough to predict how people actually use the stuff. No, we did just didn't see it coming either me no ever what do remember when asked and culture was in some server race. With someone else, I want to see to get to a million followers wasn't: A million and everybody thought, crazy he's gonna have a million followers things on twitter anymore, he's not, but his account is our second production company in our son gave this system for two dangers is now what Katy perhaps like a hundred twenty happen, yeah something insane pay more and then you gotta go to our instagram, which spry and bigger than that is racing, CNN and Britney spears wow for a million
Are you that Twitter raised to a million? What years that doesn't nine? Why Twitter raised to a million flowers can cut, beat CNN and spears, that's a Larry's nobody. What it meant back then so I mean with them virtual reality work or the neural link right. We're gonna have those things will probably have a bigger impact on culture and society even entered it yeah and still people. I kind of just sleep. Looking into that world sleep walking with a few, hasn't in observers. On the outside warning, like almost like standing back watching someone play with fireworks like ok, hey denotes happen when you like, the garbage can on fire its Phil. With dynamite, and
the legal issues of privacy issues that the impact on relationships is ok, like we train a lot of Pierre cheese and clinic psychology in my department and a lot of them are going to deal with people in their relationships and marriages in the conflict and arguments and whatever, are we training them for a future world where they're going to have to deal with exports and virtual reality, and new forms of social media and new kinds of basically telepathy that are far in advance of human language. No or not. But that's that's the world that there spend their professional lives and is similar in some ways in Jamie? You could speak to this. You were, trained as an audio engineer, and now everything's like all the software, that there was a
elbow when you were learning is useless. Now on us. It wasn't even you too, when I went to school. So a lot of the. If anyone asked questions now, you can learn, have almost everything I learned in the year programme I had in a week, if you needed to just look at the hands on application right up some stuff but yeah but people they went to school for video, editing and all the others definite systems, detailed, detailed, from any one you wanna watch now most because they even have like the master class. You could learn screen writing from errand Sorkin Round directing from where it yeah run Howard whatever it is. You don't have that ten years ago, yeah and then in terms of funding annual mean that the amount of financial strain that getting the traditional education puts on people and they it out of school or saddled with his debt. That is also you can even absolve it. If you declare bankruptcy.
Which is kind of hilarious. Think of the dirty shit that banks, Dude Wall Street does and other risk. They taken off. The chaos that they have created from their shitty decisions that have affected the entire economy and their absolved. But yet some kid who to get a gender studies degree. Now was a quarter million dollars. Some fuckin half Michigan University. I think it's unconscionable. Its terrible. I mean I feel really morally conflicted about working in an industry that I think is pretty exploitative and lot of we have to ask you about that like what? What's stance that you take mean if, if a kid, to you and says you know, I don't know what to do here. I generally the stance I take so in a way. I'm I'm lucky cause work? A large state, public, university and tuition is really
pretty to say, which wanted him University University of New Mexico and its great. We serve forty thousand students and we charge very very little tuition money compared to most places because it state subsidized and if you keep up a certain great point, average it's about as close to free as you can. You can get, In America, so I don't feel like were as economically exploitative, I was like teaching, Middlebury College or Yale or whatever, but still. Of underground. Come to me and I go what watch? Should I learn? What should I major in what class, or should I take the only real advice I can give is like take stuff. That's gonna! Be peaceful in your life, your personal life, no matter what career you do, so you should take my human sexuality class, cuss you'll, probably be a sexual being for the rest of your life and you'll, be in relationships.
Some sort or another. You should learn about politics. He should learn about the history of civilization, then you should learn about animal behavior and biology and all that stuff. But don't expect that like you can major and pharmacy and then get a job as a pharmacist. That makes a hundred came out of the gate because that might be automated, don't assume you can go to law, school and you'll. Make bank, like your dad did because a lot of that document discoveries being automated. Don't assume. You're gonna be a surgeon because that might be revised. So I just say it try to get a classical liberal arts education that equips you. As a citizen and as a person and as ethical being and that's the future proof way to do it.
And even then, there is a distinct I believe that this education or a superior version of it, will be available through some new unfound or soon to be discovered, form yeah and just expect that you will If you stay curious throughout your life you'll be able learn about as much No in every forty six years going forward. As you learned in this forty six years of college, that's what interesting is that? No one really thinks of university education as being something that equips you for life that your you're learning, so that you can just your ears educating yourself and to sort of make your mind more available of possibilities, options and causes and effects, and just just before your on ratification that This is not a consideration. People think I need a career
I want to go to college for four years when I get out. I want to kick ass job because I want to buy Alexis or whatever it is my students honestly or the mature students. It's the vets about a couple tour in Iraq or Afghanistan come back to college and they have life experience and there like here, because they really want to learn, not cause the pair. I think it's the right thing to do, or even in my actuality sexuality class I get grandparents and Sixtys and Seventys, sometimes really grandpa and their great, because Dave actually had like fifty or marriages, so they knows a little somethin about psychology and it's not for their. Career, it's not for the state assets because they really want to be there and they want to learn What also imagined or not is filled with acts as an eighteen year old, first escape the family nest and is not understood
what to do with their freedom and so on fractions, they're, they're, just edgy, educate themselves, yeah the four less neurotic them more confident. They call me out of my bullshit. Sometimes today, area like were bullshit While the horrifying thing now, if you're teaching a class is you can make a factual claim student can check on on Wikipedia. Why is while you're talking and of the twenty year old more raised her hand go that's wrong, but the grandma's will Grandma's well various so you have to work even called on. Ok, so. There was a book back and ninety nine called, I think the technology
you orgasm that made the claim that vibrator were first invented and the victorian era, the lady eighteen hundreds to help doctors bring their female patients. The orgasm to cure, quote hysteria where and for twenty years that was sort of accepted as oh yeah, that's a good historical analysis of that situation, and then that got totally but in the last few months by other historians of the last few months, yeah really I've been time. People everywhere, I know, Coffee and what's the hurry they didn't really dark, aided and finger bangs Ngos and there's no evidence at all that that was going on the eggs. I would think that there will be a thing: the girls when one let go there was a place big girl go? The doktor deathly knew how to work at a given orgasm Davy align around the block four. Traded. Ladies, you would you, would you think it would? Left ear imprint, I would have none just that. Why would it stop
The doctors say you know what this business just to goddamn lucrative my hands, a tyrant, Cloven upshot, carpal tunnel, a came a type anymore, and the women are like yeah go away, so there's no evidence of who invented that. I can remember that the name of the author of that it even got made into a movie hysteria right, the job nobody wanted a book or are there we go about it from the New York Times based off them. Because my ex be from the book and what years us adopt. This might be the book. I think that that is under way, but so is like sort of like that killer, sperm theory that people still this day recite, even though there is no evidence whatsoever that sperm as any other funds, in other than impregnating an egg the, What kind of urban miss that's a big one that there is a whole well written about about staring kinds of farm? Yes, Burma's attacks, Burma. There would kill,
Their sperm Baker in Belarus back in the early nineties and dumb those guys are assholes is a beautiful theory like nobody could replicate it and it student work thousands little pack, man sperm attack another sperm right thinking that what kamikaze sperm is, though, the call it the sperm that allegedly respect yeah. I remember someone brother, I mean I I I Read it now. I know I don't know about that. How smaller sperm there's not a lot of room in there for other functions like how even getting those other spur. When kill it might what's what are using. They. They have acid like the alien. Finally done, they rotten little ideas now. What are they doing?. They have an actress home reaction like there is attainable, warhead like how warm how can we get into the egg a warhead? Well
it's some enzymes that are pretty good. It can penetrate laying down the lasting their way. But yeah? That's an example of urban myth, published urban myth, publish I mean at the time that was plausible, but a kind of got debunked fairly quickly. Soldiers, Was this sort of just a sensational sort of article at someone wrote the book that they did. I just say: hey, let's just fake this In order to sell our books and get people excited about our work, I don't think they fix it. I think. They may be slightly off oversold it, but they like they did have some proper journal paper. Publications that were peer reviewed made sense at the time and like I used to teach that staff costs originally that oh yeah how'd you do what you like. What what was the the conventional way of describing this
conventional story was people think we evolved to be in monogamous long term, parabens bonds. But here's some evidence that humans do extra pair copulations that they sometimes go outside the relationship. If that happens, then there's occasional sperm competition were woman mates with more than one guy during one of military cycle, so that potentially ejaculate from two different guys could be in a reproductive track, competing to fertilize same egg. If that happens, the sperm would be under selection to be good at being fast. Fighting off the other sperm, making the reproductive track more hostile, any guy comes after you, etc, etc. So is kind of like a way of challenging the asylum.
Of monogamous, mating point women. Have this sexual freedom, an agency that was not fully recognised and the result is men have to compete more like not just physically and not just for state a speedier than even at this kind of biochemical level and all made sense right. Do we we could have been that species but, as it turned out the rates of extra pair calculation or infidelity or actually pretty low in want of society's like it's not like twenty percent. Kids are cited by some guy other than their dad. It's like most Well, under two or three percent rule but we're talking about now, yet in incomes
listen to win all the stuff involved. We could be talking about humans of fifty sixty thousand years ago, which is a totally different ball game. It is different and if, if we Then a species were like a lot of sperm competition than our testicles would be as big as trim testicles bra. That's interesting rant, yet that when it comes to it is a direct correlation between the number permission Is females in size, the testicles, the mail, which is why girls have all tied dicks has it is dominating. What I mean I wouldn't, I will try to seduce some other alpha. Bad idea. Mean crazy that something grew to be so strong, so powerful, with giant fangs in ITALY's like stocks of grass and broccoli, insured.
So there is a lot of these all things in psychology. These urban myths that get learned by professors and grad school and never really tested and then passed on and now that whole house of cards has been tumbling down? The last couple of years, where, like almost everything that was taught in a social psychology course now turns out to be kind of bullshit and not like what other examples the idea that you can use a implicit association tasker. I ain t to sort of register how sexist erases somebody is right. That was a big Exciting thing that social psychologists thought they'd discovered that you can give someone this kind of computer task, that measures word associations and that kind of determine like how secretly sexist are.
And thou turned into a whole industry of giving these tests everybody and corporations to sort of assess. Are you secretly sexist ended and the sort of wag fingers at them and say see you scored positive on this task. That means you really are secretly sexist and therefore you need training. And that's the industry- and this is what happened a Starbucks right a few months ago when they had that issues the black eyes and in the STAR Box and start didn't handle that well and then there is public blow back and Starbucks went. Ok, we're gonna, do implicit association, training for all of our staff nationwide And all of us in psychology were like white, but you you got No, that was all debunked like a couple years ago. It's it's all
since no, there is concerned about the objects in order to make their stock go up, rent area. So it's it's a pr move, but but it's not science based its outside based on and anybody who savvy consumer will be able to like Google this stuff. And see. Oh, it's it's nonsense, but imply The biased training is still being used right and so illnesses and its or go So what is the method like say If you ran a corporation and here, but a jeffreys can come in and teaches how not be racist. Ip racist not even know it, it's going to show you? How. I don't really know what to do an implicit, biased training. I know that they'd typically will give everybody one of these implicit association tests that proper,
It's the show that you, you have issues and you do have hidden by a sick. What would be like question on one of these tests? It's like associations, it's basically did are you faster to associate this stigmatized group with this negative word, then you are to associate them with positive work and you can measure reaction time, a boy cells or have I gods lie during your hand, bottom, forcing you're, pushing you sing words, flash on screens and you're, pushing buttons and the subtle France's and reaction speed so like the good versus bad associations, are supposed to map. Like your attitude towards the group in question and.
It's it's a reliable effect. The problem, it is a dozen actually predict real sexist behaviour in real life or racist behaviour. So so how did he get past the initial stages? The point was implemented social psychologist. Very politically correct. Virtually everybody in it is pretty far laughed and if your conservative or centrist you pretty quickly get driven out of it really oh yeah, so centrist even worse. We have pretty good data now, unlike political affiliations of people, in different fields and in psychology, it's at least like ten or fifteen, to one liberal too conservative, why you think that is that more of the indoctrination of the wall, the garden of academia eyeing, is partly that
but I think it's also like there is pretty overt hostility to centrist conservative libertarians, where you just kind of get these signals like if you start grad school that whatever, if you have two other other students hey, do you want to go to the shooting range or do you want to go hunting or. Let's talk about politics and if you're, on the wrong side of what's considered normal, then you're made to feel pretty uncomfortable and you'll, probably just need to leave grad school and go to hell with that, I'm going to be a lawyer entrepreneur, whatever, so just the hostility for some few, a tribal environment. Was a source of that seems like. If you can do we, Oh social,
beer mental work. If you really gonna try to understand human behavior, it's really ought to be done objectively. To really get the actual raw data to to really be able to do scientific. Work where you're, explaining things and trying to gauge cause and effect and origins of thought and behaviour patterns. You'd have to do it really objectively The same way, you would do mathematics, you'd have to really look at it. Cautiously and get your data wait in order and and and if you do in real good work. You would think that
there would be more of an inclination to do good work, then it would be to appease whatever tribe you belong to. You would hope so, but take political psychology, for example, where the whole point is to understand how people think about politics and moral issues. Does a huge LE robots and political psychology and you would think they would have corrected that and said you know what it's like. Maybe we're missing something by not like. We have a conference of five hundred people in the single libertarian here or whatever, and they never self corrected like that They just assumed well we're all. Well intentioned raw smart, so we're gonna be be able to check own biases and they completely failed to do that. So
You have all these measures of, like political attitudes, invented by leftists that kind of demonize, conservative sword or centrists, as basically being mentally ill or or stupid or or whatever where'd you fit on the political spectrum. I'm kind of central Libertarian, with like a complicated patchwork of abuse like I'd I'd, be considered extremely far left on certain things and pretty far right on other things like what far right and what I'm programme rights, I'm pretty ease, cautious about immigration,
pro economic freedom, I dont want a big, expensive state that has high tax burdens and and and complicated ways, kind of profoundly values and prenatal western. Like I think long term relationships are good, not necessarily conventional ones, but I'm pretty concerned about society figuring out a way to make it. Possible for ordinary folks to have long term relationship and raise families. Isn't fascinated: that's a right wing thing. Wouldn't you think that. Something that would encourage families be universal, wouldn't be tribal You would think that something that would encourage Long term relationships and spare bonding in people, sitting together in working out long term.
Solutions took keep a family together. Tubby give everybody you would you think I mean that seems like a left wing thing to so. The left is very concerned about environmental sustainability right right, but they're, not that concerned about come. Why call civilization all sustainability or my sustainability, and I dont totally understand why. But you tend to get the right thinking how's it going to affect my great grand heads or allow me to have any and the left is more like houses can affect harp seals and polar rail bears, and in and.
One should sort of imply the other, but hence being a centrist, ends being yeah, hence being a centrist, unlike its a weird thing like when you try to reach a conclusion about a particular political issue based on what you think is the facts and the evidence in the good arguments, and then you do that for each issue separately, right rather than doing kind of tribal affiliation, signalling it's very, very confusing to people, because they like. How can you be like prove cannabis legalization, if you also probe guns or how can you be like open to Pollyanna Murray if you're also concerned about long term, family stability or whatever, that's just cause it
the issues I looked into. That's the end eyes. I am ended up supporting, does. Go back to what we're talking about earlier than most people really don't have the time to form. These opinions or become informed on these opinions. Instead it sort of adopt a predetermined patterns of behaviour that seems to be the tribe they all too familiar with this. This way, there's a conglomeration of opinions disconnect accept these opinions. Absolutely so strange that we have to vote clear sides? This left right, I mean we even have it represented by blue and read. I mean this goes back to the corral, inversion of the Inn Yang. You know in the korean flag, they have that in young, but its? Instead, of white and black, it's red and blue. That is what it is its these. These opposite.
That work together in harmony, its our society will enable we, it seems to be some sort of a natural system that would gravitate towards young people, police it's not like everyone. Does but to choose as one side or the other and right and then they go well also makes sense it if you believe the laughed about she s should also be the left, but issues BC through Z. Here, if you deviate, you get punished for or people use the term? We too, like we ve gotta when the house, however, that now we ve gotta, when the Senate, like whose we Are we running Bob like what are we doing? People it's? It's basically, the raiders we got get to I mean it is very tribal, but I mean it's we because when, if you're in a literal tribe, you have your territory and new resources and you're you're mates that your defending
and the other try I'm on the other side of the hill has their territory, resources, mates and kids, and you actually there is a little bit of a zero sum conflict. But if you're on the same effing country together and you all paying taxes to the same authority and you're all partaking in the same economy and your all rest. Lying in the same public sphere of of the Netflix that you watch and the twitter engaged with its it should be. More positive sum than that, which is why I wanted to ask you this as an evolutionary psychologist, exists in Europe our see far more aware of this and the average person? Does this just go back to the way the human brain developed when we were living in small tribes and that there is an inherent need for an US for
since then, and talented that keeps us moving yeah. I think so. The people of thought the most deeply about this, like I'm, a big fan of Jonathan Heights Work and the righteous mind and and the way he kind of analyzes this stuff, I think it'll be quite hard to escape the the tribal thinking, but we have. We have escaped with respect to a lot of issues right where we really did did reach a moral common ground. Like we all kind of said, oh shit, slavery was bad. Women should be able to vote. We should try to reduce the risk of nuclear war So on some really big issues, we have succeeded pretty well in kind of setting aside the tribalism
I think the problem now. Is this just so many issues that are coming out of so fast that we don't have time to reach that social equilibrium on on enough for them quickly enough. This is what fascinates me by augmented reality and things like neural link, something it's gonna accentuate the the ability power of the human mind where we're gonna be able to take an interest generation. All these things in a much like You on term will have more ban with work on them, yet it just, I think, the more I think about it. I think that this, Just quagmire of civilization is so many different things that were conflicted about that really out of it boils down to a lack of time, a lack of time and a lack of also training and how to think one of the things that, most disturbing about education, particularly lower education, is
No one ever tells you how to think they give you. Information, but they do tell you now, here's the tricks, your brain is planning on you like this is why you think certain ways this is if you're lucky. If you, really lucky. Someone teaches you about discipline, they teach you about reserve students and about apathy and about about procrastination and all these different games monoplane you and just that alone, will give you the ability to work through things and get more stuff done, but very rarely does not even get discussed so the time you're just getting boring information stuffed into your fuckin face any better. Pay attention to it enough to pass the test and as soon as a test is over, you forget everything. You learned. Does he really just memorize? Take that long to learn, sort of the top dozen rationality, hawks that, like the rationalists community or the effect of altruism community, are very, very good at using and teaching
like just the idea of steel Manning an argument. Worry you d the ability to state the strongest possible version of your opponents argument in a way that they would go. You so that even better than I could say asked That means you really understand me. If you disagree with it, that's a good terms, to steal man there strong and if we just taught in kids in high school, how to do that? I think that would go a long way towards being able to have these these tribal dialogues or just that being able to think quantitative way about political and policy issues like how many people are affected. How are they affected? How much would it cost affects? How do we know what the best way to do? It is rather than just diving straight for the emotional
argument. I think that would help a lot, but is it really in anyone's vested interests to teach that and do the current stock of members of the public school teachers unions really have the ability or interested each that where it almost seems like something, they don't have to learn online to augment their traditional education So ideal you'd have like a virtual reality system where a kid could go into it and argue about a machine like gun rights or abortion or immigration and some day I was sort of argue against summer. Other arguments or go convinced me of your position. Right and somehow another make it interesting. Yeah make it fine, like they'd. Whatever make it up.
Get your arguing with Reykir Morty right. That is one of the big issues with learning things is making things fund. Making things somehow another enthralling in captivating, something someday you actually want to absorb, and it's one of the great arguments about video games and dumb One of the more interesting things about the previous generations sort of dismissal of video games is that that this so was at one point in time all yours wasting your time and now that that dismissal doesn't necessarily hold water, because, just like professional golfers professional view, Yo Game players now make enormous sums of money. So is gone too, place where oh? No, this is a viable career and perhaps you should be taking your kid coaching,
and learning strategy and learning all these know, various applications that allow you to get better at these things because there's a real career in this, and I mean try telling that your grandpa I'm going to play. What's the what's the game they play for the most money today or tonight, probably Does he has the big one that you going to be a professional fortnite player? It would take the fuck out of here. Do you want me to be a golfer? How good are you Johnny You know, I'm under part will be the next time. Why like a horrid. A lot of other academics I'll talk to you place, admire civilization, game, a lot and grad school post talking and we'll go, Most of our understanding about the history of technology, unlike world affairs and economics, comes from playing a game really yeah I never played it has it work is one of those roleplaying
You start out and like the dark ages, any progress through like bronze. Iron age, you in that railroads and then eventually you like colonise alpha Centauri. Are you playing against the computer or other humans turn based strategy game against the but you kind of learn the whole technology tree and what everything's call than what followed? What and God, I hope so I got it right more or less, but. It was a much more compelling way to learn all that than like taking whatever european history a p right. I would imagine us and credibly immersive by cap. How could you do something like that? All the new discovery mode turns on assassins, creed, origins, door, interactive, history, lessons, Egypt, I believe, is what they do here and incite deep detail rearing relation of it. You go through it and it take for this mode. They cannot take other to shoot, not shooting but stabbing and killing the people
and just walk you through eggs in Egypt. Cairo only get people die, not in this mode me, is anybody might show some stuff of. Sometimes they did what not, but so you can either have a graphic or non graphic, as are the idea yet and show you to the map. You'd have to have a video. This can I watch this, and you see this elegant. Ok, yeah, I mean that would be the best way to teach people things do make some sort of interactive invite I met especially virtual where you can, go there and experience in, and I mean not enough you, if messed around with any the htc vive things of this year to her a little full screen with his or her missus. This is part of the game, but this is not the actual game like a mode. They did teach kids because they had. All of this is considered technology available. So they said you know I just get an area,
It is that Somalia, clubs and the mood of the said why and they even have it the way it was originally built, the great pyramid, with the limestone still attached for the most part, twenty a twenty minute videos. This is like this is real, deep detail: men why the best Graham Hancock, you know if you can but you're, the guy there and you're in a third person position private go first person. I'm sure why this is just this particular part. They're gonna, keep doing this. This assassins creed is gone through all sorts of different modes of history, its estimated through the like Renaissance, Rome, two million Spain, all sorts of different areas and other to return. This on its own expert rampart level would do that to me seems like a really good idea in terms of getting caught. Excited about learning things, and in some sort of an interactive game, just game game. If I every
yeah. Everyone really high quality way here, and I think the tricky thing with thumb in education is the kind of tech that we use is several steps behind the state of the art in Hollywood, special facts or documentaries, or this this kind of game, so soon to kind of disappointed when they come to class right and it's like colleges really expensive and it really retrograde in terms of the Tec quality. So why? Why are we here? We should be in the forefront, it should be possible to go to your state university and see awesome some game, a fine, interactive stuff. They don't have access to it. Home parenting is changing so fast in order further curriculum to keep up with
modern technology would have to revamp every year while amid a lot of content, we teach is pretty old, actually like the key ideas and evolutionary biology. Many of them go back fifty a hundred years. Key ideas in animal behavior or apparent ology or at polity. It's not like those get up data that fast. It's just what the way you can present them technically, where it were not competitive that's embarrassing, a visa or is, it seems almost. Insurmountable, without a complete overhaul the system. I think you need a totally different kind of university and credential, that's backed by a significant amount of
but all in that's take not technological innovative and it's very on pc in terms of what it teaches and how it teaches did it's possible. That would come along and compete with the standard. Yes, yeah, I think, is inevitable that and then the does programme to be worth bankrupts and I think it's going to eat our lunch. What are you? How do you feel about that, though, as a person and makes their living? Do? We also write books and I'd be happy to jump shipping go. Do wish you good for you if I could like teach hundreds of thousands or millions of people rather than right, two hundred at a time when that's essentially with Jordan, Peterson's doing exactly that. Is not doing it through a virtual thing, he's doing it through video lectures and then physical lectures,
really fast in the sea. The reaction to him and now to SAM Harris is doing this as well, and not the videos but he's definitely doing the the live sort of performances, and No who'd have ever thought there would be a place where public intellectuals would go and five thousand people would sell out like that and go to. See them like they would go, see Fuckin Kevin harder, something it's crazy well in a one offered, Kinsey first started doing a sector and he would go around the country giving lectures like he filled up of four thousand persons stadium in, and you see Berkeley just presenting the first real data on human sexuality back in late forties, wow, and so there was why, because as a real hunger for that, because it was something students couldn't get anywhere else, The same was true back and eighteen hundreds when you had famous authors, touring America, like Mark TWAIN,
in many people think is the founder stand of comedy right and they would use humor like Leghorn Petersen, SAM Harris you and they would speak in the register of the people not pretentious Can I make jargon? Sam is surprisingly funny. I told them we had dinner recently were talking. I said, dude you're, really fun, like those those little side no side. You throw out little funny, quips like this, like a colleague, type stuff when seminal say something like like even with you there you guys we're talking about Polly amorous enders. He threw some sort of a java has an out now. Very dry humor, which I love, TAT, So I a guy, but that makes it more more palatable, spoonful sugar helps a medicine. Go down this fascinating techniques,
in terms of video game he's gonna help you absorb information about each need. Europe. And humor is gonna, help just make the time. Go by better and make the whole experience less flat, so I think, I think that's a future and I think, within ten years a lot of young people are just can realise If I can actually learn more from some alternative systems, some franchise of really good game of hide and structural plus great prisoners who have a sense of humour and are smart and and kind of like, heterodox and edgy, they're gonna flocked to that. The main thing is that busy
that franchise would have to provide a credential that actually separates them from people who don't have it and that predicts performance in companies or in the future right cause. That's the main function of the university right now. Is it it's? This crate the signalling system and if somebody figures out a way to make it so that, like, if you ve, got a degree from this. Whatever SAM Harris University, that that is really a better predictor of doing well in a job or marriage right than a degree, then suddenly the whole business small changes for universities. What what's really fast. Anyone think about the history of education is that our ideas about these gigantic institutions, with its Yale or Harvard, is that they ve been law,
establishing long proven, and but no I mean she few hundred years terms. People being alive aid shit. You you go back before that Europe is real. We only have a certain amount of years where these things were even a real thing gap, and I mean idea that you have a teaching institution. It's also a major research institutions really only goes back to post one more to like, or world war to Harvard is basically an elite finishing school, it wasn't a research power, so that whole system that we think of as being ancient is actually just lesson several decades, while yeah, I think, you're, probably right. I think the new things Ghana, eat lunch of it's almost like their set themselves up mean with some of the more ridiculous preposterous protests that go on where they are. They
are just trying to silence discussion and even with people like Christina Half summers whose very reasonable and call yourself a fact, your feminist, and they want a cholera nazi. It's like theirs no there's no way room. You are a one or a zero, your black, or why your evil or good and that's it and this inclination towards silencing people de Platform screaming them down halting And again the mine and who decides? Who decides whose correct and rock, while the only way for people to get an accurate assessment of whose giving the wrong Information is to have a debate, but I have a real debate like a debate where people are allowed express themselves about people in the audience, shaking jars of coins and bull warns and all the nonsense and setting off fire alarms and all these things that these children and calm children, because their behaving like children are celebrating I'm sure you're. Where would happen at evergreen, and
now evergreens Evergreen State University, where Brett Weinstein's had you know his horrible experience with if you don't know the story I'll give you a brief synopsis. They had a day of absence where it used to be that people of color would stay home so that you would miss them and they do so turn around and make white people stay home, make em for some. You didn't do it your racist, he said- that's crazy! I guess, in racist and they shouted down and they shut the school down and. He wants to half a million dollars in a lawsuit and thou the schools Most recent Roman from a freshman classes, only three hundred people, which is crazy. Yes, I know dying the barents notice to students, notice and diversity is so complacent. They think we can. We can any amount of this year and the customers will still come under they're wrong. As soon as there is a viable alternative or somebody can
atta credential! That means something in it's cheaper and better and they learn more and that's more engaging. That whole it universities acting stupid about that and and. In denying free speech and denying real debate, that's the existential threat to them. That's! What's gonna blindsided them! That's! What's gonna killed tuition. It stunning how little resistance there is to it that the everyone knows that the only way to find out who's ideas are more more: well thought out more valid, more facts. The only way to find that out, is to have people discuss things together and for you, too to make an assessment based on the facts, dude in real time and based on who? was performed more compelling argument whose more reasonable, whose whose taught whose
addressing all the flaws in the problems with both sides of this in coming up with a reasonable conclusion. The only way to do that as discourse. We all know that we ve known that forever. But somehow or another in higher universities and higher education centres. This, where their shutting this stuff down. And they want to know what are whether it's Ben Shapiro speaking or whoever it is- giving the data they want to scream at them. They want a yell. They want to break windows, they want caught. You know column, racist or wherever they want to calm stunning. I mean When I think of it is like a stand up, comedy I love and- and you know you do and the stuff you can say when you're on stage doing stand. A comedy university should be at least that Open like I, should be able to lecture in a way that goes even a little bit Edgier than most Stanhope comedy could go politically,
actually ideologically towns the thoughts challenge there. Thought so university should be like the inner sanctum of intellectual freedom compared to which everything else is more restrained and were kind of the opposite. Like I know, a few academics who go Who actually are like amateur stand, comedians and its sole liberating to them to be able to get upon estate? say what they really think: devious fake names.
Some will know by their kind of protected by like the social norms of comedy right, like you know, you're not supposed to really take very seriously, but we were so far from that and you know in physics. It doesn't matter that much because it's not like there's any aspects of quantum mechanics era that intellectually edgy but man and psychology and Social Sciences and Behavioral sciences in in political science. It's really important to be able to be provocative, and authentic, and- and we can't in America at the moment well, which is really what's gonna, set up whatever is coming next. Its can offer.
I'm sort of a new new pathway, New Avenue, that's not restricted. Much like what? What you're, seeing with pie, gas and blogs and in in comparison to or you videos in comparison to what you getting on regular network television make. It was network television, then, it was, the more edgy alternative and and there was pay cable like HBO, Accatosi, breast in old and then that got nuttier and not your net and but then it became Netflix, which is a total another level and then the internet, the wild West and they want go back to NBC in nineteen seventeen new like no? No, don't do it now, and I cannot pretend but university seem to be stuck here. I think universities are like and b C,
Circa one thousand nine hundred and seventy five right, where the like others, cable, stop. That's not really going to matter and then over this internet, but the Netflix of education is coming and it's it's going to be incredibly disruptive, and I hope that the academic, friends and colleagues I have we're good and An open minded are ready to jumped ship because, ultimately, their educators wasn't Reform is that what their career is? Is there an educator dislike I've done again as a comedian. He takes on it You form with this new technology, becomes a comedian using face swapping technology. These, educators going to recognise that the the the landscape his changed and theirs. Ought to be some sort of a new way of distributing Information ACT in good academics are like just ordinary humans with curiosity turned up to eleven and who have a passion for
discovering new ideas and then them them with people and we don't really care how we do that we will do it through lectures or writing books or writing articles or p cast whatever whatever works the best? Have you thought about starting a podcast? Well, you know, podcast with Tucker MAX couple years ago, the maiden grounds where it was sort of related to our mate book that was dating advice for young single guys. But it was also realise it wasn't really in a well. It was figure out what women authentically actually want and then try to transform yourself in that direction, so you're better boyfriend. What do they want women want guys who are Well informed and know about the world an ambitious and capable capability, is the main thing like competency, just in as many domains as possible.
They want guys who were in like reasonably good physical shape and good mental health and. Who can strike the right balance between being kind of nice and agreeable and kind, but also being dominant and assertive and kind of high status and if that's too much to ask you become a male feminist, just grovel just bend the knee bimini, so dear you know when I teach human sexuality. I kind of emphasise this students that there's a lot you can dude make yourself more attractive to everyone or attracted You don't it's not all limited by what traits are born with what fascinating difference in what a man is attracted to forces. What's a woman's attracted to something that we just don't like to admit that there is a great deal of
difference when it comes to heterosexuals? At least there is a lot of different when it comes to short term mating. Like what men want if it's a one night San verses? What women want? Yeah? You look at long term mating like who people choose for marriage is actually quite a bit of convergence. There, like everybody, wants someone who's mentally healthy, unreliable and smart and kind, and would make like would pick the kids up on time from school, etc and funny And he's really important part Weinstein's talked about the difference between a woman who is beautiful, first, a woman's hot and what hot does is it gives you the opportunity is spread your genes with very little responsibility so A one night stand firm, a girl whose heart you don't have to mate into you'd, have to like
court. Her get her to love. You show your virtue, earn her respect nice barrier in the park like that. That's hot! verses, someone who's beautiful, who you really go out of your way to maybe even be a better person, so they can attract that person. If you fall in love with someone, you wanna be a better person for them. If it's fast Then there are these two choices and I never thought about until he brought it up, but there essentially ways to distribute your dna of theirs pathways. One of them is through long term bonding and he wants able reliable woman who has a lot of self respect? Who chooses you make village choose you and the other ones a freak, but the fact that all different kinds of people exist with all different mating strategies shows that each of those strategies historically
an evolutionary- has worked well, you ve been a valid strategy. Yeah cause there wouldn't be like promising men or women. If that hadn't been something that worked chore right there also wouldn't be long term pair bonded, no family people that downward So I think it's silly one people are sort of death, in each other's mating strategies as if well there's one proper way and then all the other ways it sort of degenerate or reactionary, or what while the other main strategies produce fucked up kids in the hot one, Will you not see the kid development? of a child, and that's it as they used to sell cars way. I mean, but each factor by what standards so well, there's no sickly father around you know daddy issues
I think, a lot of that is just a way of kind of shaming these. These other mating strategies, because you mean well, of course,. You got a little bit a circular logic, for example, where you say mating strategy, for example at say, a high degree of promiscuity. You say that's bad! Why? Because it leads to offspring who in turn Ike promiscuous, and then you call it the cycle of abuse or daddy issues or whatever, but is at a permit. He was thing or is it the longing for both a father and a mother, and loneliness and vulnerability. That seems to come with being the free of single mother, most people read it, that's not the ideal situation, but it doesn't produce unique people.
Which is really interesting. Almost all of my really cool friends came from a fucked up, broken childhood, which I don't know what to think about that, because I want my children to be cut forget it and and healthy, and never worried about the future. But all my friends grow. Been chaotic environments where the everyone was poor and fucked up and their crime and violence and nonsense and chaos. Those the interesting ones that parents are dragged out extols the cool want to its its such a conundrum. As apparent so like, as a scientist you gotta, look at the whole spectrum of eating and parenting behaviour and go particularly as an evolutionary psychologist who can say. I might have a moralistic reaction to that. I might go that's bad, but you know what, if it acts. If what
We consider bad is actually the way most of the other forethought and spaces mammals, do it then. Who were really that weird families anyway, right most. More families, the doubts involved. Single moms raising offspring by themselves under a harsh conditions and they are not doing eurobonds, bonds right, hardly any mammals, two pair bonds, part from like givens and few process, means likes really. Small primates I'm just very hesitant to kind moralising and right, is it really fair or even accurate, to compare ourselves the things that only lived to be like ten? May What we're talking about in nor Missy complicated emotions far more so because of communication. And societal norms and you know, do come comparison,
there's so much more involved being person, it's just like, if you look back historically right premarital sexist, be demonized right and folks used to say. Well, oh my god, you have you had one or two lovers before you: you settle down with your husband, that's her and you could produce statistical correlations to say, oh look, premarital sex is we're later with being lower class or criminal or drug use or whatever, like that's all true but Then society moved in a direction that said premarital sex it's over but wasn't that really because a birth control? Because a woman's once once a woman had an ability to control her reproductive system and say why can't it just have sex for pleasure and enjoyment, because before I was The consequences are so grave, especially in poverty like now
there's another mouths to feed, and now I can't work have taken the baby's, oh yeah, so the technology of contraception made a big difference. It used to be thought Ok, if you're, if you're gay, alas, that is morally degenerate and terrible, in valid, and you can't possibly have a long term relationship or a family or whatever, and then we kind of change that pretty dramatically in the last twenty thirty years. So I just as a sex researcher. I want people to be quite cautious about saying that lifestyle is wrong Gunnar and unhealthy, and this other lifestyle is better cause in the air of sex Botz right in virtual reality, deep fakes and whatever who knows what's going on,
Well, if you had sex it dawn, did you like it I'd very mixed feelings about it? What was the negative? I dont think it's an accurate description of prehistory prehistoric meeting. I think pair bonds RON really deep and human evolution, but I think, as a sort of ethical ideal Paul, I is ok and works for some people. Some of the time Indeed, this Sunday, you disgust, Alot polymer, I really only kind of came out publicly as being interested in an honest, I'm Harris show a few months ago, but I'm talkin about writing a book on it. Next and dumb. It's a very popular thing. I mean the number of people who were in open relationships are Polly. Relationships is larger than the number of people who are gay or lesbian, certain, really, oh for sure, yeah
What's the number of people in gay and lesbian relationships number, were gay lesbian at the population. Level is like two to five percent depending on surveys. In polymers relationships, probably five, fifteen percent at the moment, and it's even higher, among you, know, people under thirty five or so this is a new thing- it's relatively new, and is this just now substance of the instincts that people have to be non monogamous, the acceptance of the dead Jealousy is holding people back from experiencing different things like, Think it's only in the nineties that you, you got a coherent subculture. That said, if
not gonna be monogamous, here's the honest ethical open way to do it and it kind of developed a bunch of social norms about how you manage these relationships in a way that different from cheating or different from swingers or different from Prague to heavy love, communes, air or prostitutes and I mean this is a lot discussion that we have time for probably today, but as a researchers, a fascinating culture, because its people who are trying to find ways to kind of hack the jealousy and manage it better, yeah, and it's also a new method of social networking. Right were, drawing a sharp line between who you're sexually connected to and who you're socially connected to so people who were
de Polly tend to have set of sexual friendship, professional networks that are much broader than done. A lot of people tend to have an the right. I think that's actually a little bit more similar to what Christopher I was talking about with sex at dawn, like I think in most prehistoric tribes. Anybody who wasn't a close relative who was sort of mating age. You probably what about sex with like sooner or later, at least once even a few both had a sort of stable paramount. This is probably an incredibly controversial subject at the academic level, while when I item Course on pollyanna rain, open sexuality. Last year it got a little better controversy he said it was smiling in the department.
While there was concern about what happens. If you know you get complaints from The right to legislators- and there goes can funding money by. Does local research on it? there's a lot of interesting psychological issues that Plaza students probably good way to find the freaks it was, they were wonderful, wonderful freaks? I mean those gallery often robbery in a freak, great students in Minded- and you know we talked about the those on the cards like this stuff is: really hard to do for this in this, and this reason and People really only succeed at it if they have certain kinds of trade, and abilities and communication skills, and if they don't they Crash and burn and done work
so it wasn't just and advocacy class. It was also like. Here's the pros and cons, but also as a social trend. This is a big deal and if you're going into one of the caring professions like medicine, nursing, social work, clinical psych, Angelo about or better know about this, because a lot of people do it. And if you're, giving advice to a couple, and there s an open relationship and don't even understand what that means or how it works. You're going to get bad advice and that's to me kind of professional malpractice it's also sort of in some ways and ongoing experiment in terms of how? people bond with each other. How people form communities- and this is in particular with into today's climate in today's society-
what the? U now the ability to distribute this information and discussing things in groups and the different world in terms of Acting data and in comparing experiences yeah it's a work in progress, I mean they know nobody whose pie, amorous or in a northern relationship, can pretend that yeah. We really know how to make this worked very well, and here is the best practices, and here is the all the the hacks and an end. But he can do new network absolutely not at that point which also brave to talk about because it immediately put you into this potential pervert place like you. In know talk about sex with more than let but more than one person, but wait. What do you do it? What he'd Owen Jeffrey When I do- and I know you're wrecking Europe the attention. What are you doing you after having sex,
super stigmatized but like compared to what compared to being evolutionary psychologist in the first place, who does intelligence, research or compared to teaching sexuality or compared to doing just as a human civilization doing a book with talker MAX I mean it's hell, that's trick right, but I think we will have a professional responsibility. Fear of behavioral scientists to understand what our people doing out there? What is working and what is it and how do you make it work better and the people who ignore it? I think it's kind of like if you will like a psychologist and early seventies right when the gay and lesbian rights movement, starting if you'd sort of such a guy I hope that a blow over like that that doesn't deserve research. We are we
keep it as a mental disorder, and you know that the DS em right, I feel like Polly sort of at the same place where The other reactionaries who go that that's just gross and disgusting, just like people in Vienna, the early seventies would have said homosexuality is grossly discussed, was still it's it's braved discuss gas right now mean it may very well be like you know you talk, mother, gay and lesbian rose revolution of the nineteen seventies, and maybe forty years from now, it's just like that, like oh there, this This is that normal know who cares, but
in today's day and age, its tread carefully right, well somebody's gotta research and talk about a year, and I think that people should read tax down dawn by Christopher Ryan, but that shouldn't be the final word about now An evolution and Polly Emory. What's another good book, I mean the ethical slot is a good at something: a restaurant. Kind of the Polly bible- is it the ethical slot. I love it's a road that Darcy eat what name eaten. I think I can remember she's gotta CO, author articles law, eliminate needs of unknowns, appalling Bible for told everybody buys airport justice to have an undue shelf of their books a billion copies. It's done pretty
there. It is the ethical slot Darcy in an JANET hardy, alright name for a book, I must add that I never came up with that. It's it's a good tail, but I don't think there's a good book yeah, that's actually savvy about evolution and psychology and human sexuality and pollyanna memory and how all organise play out in the next ten years or so, and this is why you're aplenty running at yourself here my hobby Duma thanks and they come in here, so how to fund their pleasure with we talk for three hours. You believe, oh, my god, we did time warp in this room pamphlet. Thank you. Jeffrey will appreciate. It welcome tell people how to find you on Twitter. I'm primal Molly PR. I M L, p o ally and I'm you Jeffrey Miller and Primal Polly, Dotcom. Ok, thank you, sir.
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