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Logan experience trying my day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day and gentlemen, one of the greats Jim Gaffigan voice. Sir, thank you. Thank you. It's great to be great to see you man, I'm excited that you're doing a special on Amazon yeah. I think it's important that there's a bunch of other platforms for all us to do. Specials on and when a guy like you goes over to Amazon legitimizes. It makes it a big deal. It's exciting it! It's it's fascinating! How, with the the outlets for specials, has changed so dramatically? Yeah when we were when we were kids, it was just HBO, yep and then comedy central when our release beyond the pale. It was at that perfect moment where, in

every dorm room in America Comedy Central was on yep. You know who is? It shifted from MTV to Comedy central park because of Should Palin and John Stewart, and so but it's chefs, you know it's like the Netflix was big and- and we see these other platforms coming out so it'll be it'll, be interesting. If I can convince people ' 'cause, everyone goes to Amazon or someone in their family does. So, if I can convince them the next time, they're buying paper, towels and socks to just go over to Prime, because they everyone has a prime members. That's a weird part about it right so yeah it's shopping, but it's also like the same as Itunes. He Kerry people have asked me dog what a far the unit will. One percent three there like what, if

someone doesn't have a prime membership and I'm like then they're, probably not on the internet. Who are you right? They probably can't afford. Even you know, high speed internet, so it's like, but I don't know it is going to be interesting. I've watched stuff on prime, but it's like it's like every time you you know, I think comedians. We like the we like to explore and do things different. You know, even you know, room new rooms and stuff like that. We we kind of our risk averse, but there is always the possibility of like I don't know what I mean it comes out Friday. There is some support, but I don't know- and I know that Amazon is this enormous company, but I don't know, I don't know they. Could I mean in the grand scheme of things you know. My special is really not that big, it's

not as important as the toothpicks they sell on Amazon. So I don't know if they're going to get behind it or not. It's so weird that it's an entertainment company and also a massive shopping outlet. I mean it's huge, it's two giant things, but they do support MRS Meisel. I see that everywhere yeah, so if they have a hit, they will get behind it and make billboards and I've see a lot for flea bag as well. I've seen a bunch of ads for that, so I think they're really picking up their support. I haven't seen any support so far for how many specials are there that they've done besides yours comes out Friday, mind comes out Friday and then, a week later, there's four that come out. No Lonzo Bolton has one coming out for sure and there's three other people with him and then uhm. I don't know

you know, there's also something of you know the the flow of information isn't as as dining, I guess you'd. Imagine 'cause, I'm like a nerd for like if people follow me on Instagram there probably like yeah. We know you promote. So it's like I'm, not shy about I'm coming to Atlantic City, and so I'm like hey. When is this going? You know how can I help in there to like there's a lil, a bit of an attitude of like we've got it, you mean we. So all the information there is or they don't care, but I'm not sure yet. I think they're probably overwhelmed right. It's probably a new thing or they just did you know some of how was explained to me was I released noble late, my special before this, independently rhino through a lot of different plan. Why did you decide to do that? Well, some of it '

'cause. I got an offer that was attractive. I knew that I mean I. I love Netflix I've five specials there, but I kind of looked at Netflix. I always describe it as it's. A it's. A swimming pool. Swimming pools are great. The you know a special having a special it's kind of like a floaty but like Netflix, there were just hundreds of floaties in this in this pool. So how do you know? People are gonna watch yours, you get ling a week at Netflix for for accessibility, and I also thought that it would have a greater impact internationally. I don't think it did for me personally, and it was something to try. You know it's weird too, as you never really know what the numbers are. No, you don't know that they don't tell you, you don't know the num

and it also ships like select the the great success that us to do our a and alley. Why long had, and you know like what comedians we watch all of the specials on Netflix, I mean whether we watch the whole thing is another thing right: yeah, that's like you would with TED Alexandro, not row. It's like I'm like did you watch any guys? Ten minutes. Did you watch that it's like the best comment. As I watched the whole thing I watched grow rocks all special right. You know, and so I wanted to do something different. You know I was offered in its is it's you know it's a you know, it's expand your audience and I I also understood that a lot of people consume things on demand like I have young kids, so I'm just I'm still buying on Itunes, like it's one thousand, nine hundred and eighty one. You know and people consume things on demand. I was convinced on that, and so it went

we we did this kind of like everywhere but Netflix, and then there was say in window that was on the Amazon Prime and it got a real, a lot of viewers and so that prompted Amazon to approach for this special. So in dependently, when you release your last one, did it like a production company come to you and say hey Jim? This is what we wanted yeah. It was comedy dining mix and they were like we're going we're going to distribute it, we're going to sell it piecemeal, different places, and so I was like yeah. You know what I wanted on airplanes. You know I have Netflix, but not everyone has Netflix and also you know the swimming pool metaphor. He can get kind of lost in there. So yours was available on Apple tv available and everything it was on available on everywhere, where it was even in theaters. Do you get a sense of the numbers from them? Oh yeah,

Netflix is only one doesn't give you the numbers, yeah. Suppose the Amazon will give the numbers, supposedly I, if they weren't gonna, get in a room with them. I think that they um, you know it's it's going to be so interesting, because I have no idea, but I also you know, just as how we consume specials has changed. I think that uh, you know getting, I think specials serve almost the Vert personal for us right by the way. Your last one was great thanks, but it's very personal for us, but it also indirectly serves as like an infomercial. Our sense met, sensibility yeah for sure. So it's like you want other people to see it, so they can go yeah. I like this kind of stuff, and so the appeal of it being in different places, was a p

going to may yeah. I like the idea of it too. I mean I really do enjoy that. Netflix has gotten so big in the stand up specials because they've, given so many people opportunities and expose the world of so many great comics. I don't like the fact they don't give you the numbers, that's all knowing, but I do like the fact. There's other options now I think it's great, I think, look HBO now streaming option, you know they're trying to get really behind HBO go and hopefully more people do that so HBO specials will be what they used to be used to be. If someone got an HBO special like Holy Shit, it would transform their life- oh my God,

Kennison in all these different people and found out about them because the Incipio yeah, I think it's it's going to be interesting. I think that you know seeing what Disney plus does and seeing you know, HBO Max an apple, but it's I had to. I had approached Amazon back. I think with my special obsessed. I wanted to do it on Amazon. They had prime at that point, and I was like I'll give it. You give me this amount of money and you guys own the special and there like at that point. They weren't, you know there. There were packaged goods. Company they're like now, we'll give you six cents for every view, and I'm like. No, no, no, no, you don't understand. I'm going to drive people to Amazon, dot com and the like. Now we're not interested, but so it'll take some time so it yeah. You know we might think that Apple and Disney will step up immediately for comedy specials, but.

But we don't know, we don't know, I think in the future, there's not going to be anything on live television except sports. I really tv idea of like tuning in at eight o'clock on Tuesday night night, the only time to see something ridiculous appointment. Television is absurd. That's a great way of putting it appointment, tell yeah it's just it's insane yeah release date and that's the one of the other great things about Netflix like when stranger things comes out. You get the whole damn season, yeah, yeah, definitely, and so like the big changing thing is really it's absurd, like there's gotta, be some consequences of that. It's unhealthy! It's not getting enough sleep! Now this my friend and she told me that she was up watching the stranger things till six o'clock in the morning. She had to get up at ten to take your kid to school. Yeah, it's just there's and we been shipped will more

like like there's some reason behind it. It's just convenient just get obsessed. I want to find out what's six: oh yeah, they left me hanging in next, like one more just one of those suckers that one would wait. You know what flicker we've my family, I don't wanna send too much, but we watch Jane the Virgin because my teenage daughter was really into it. So as a family, we watch Jane the birch. I don't even know that is it's a tv show. It's amazing yeah. I mean it's one of those things where my family would be watching and I would come in and I would kind of criticize it and then, after like two episodes, I was like move over. It's totally. It's a telenovella. It's about hispanic culture, it's it's great in the virgin. What's it on great performance, it was on the CW. I don't

it's a very. I feel like in my adult lifetime, the CW appeared and I still have never watched the show on the CW like have you ever watched the show in the seat of me? I don't believe so right. It's a really network yeah, but it's for you be yeah. I think the W B was, I think, CW is something like that right. There was a few of those little fringe networks way back in the day. Like remember the Wayans brother had a tv show in one of them yeah it's one of those weird networks. That was, I think it was owned by CBS, but they're like it's just kind of like uh uh. You know it would be teen shows like teen romance shows. Then you, like the show Jane the Virgin. I liked it. I liked it, I'm not ashamed to say it don't make sure like. If I ask myself six months ago, would I be on Joe Rogan

Podcast saying that I like Jane the virgin? I would see no, of course not well. I remember when you know people used to think that being on one of those networks, wouldn't do you any good when those little small networks, but then TRU Tv we put on impractical, jokers and those guys are selling out arenas fucking show is so crazy, popular it's. You know it's fascinating watching that show because you're you're trying to understand it, because, but I think it's the authenticity, yes guys they're pals and it's not manufactured right and- and I think people like that. Yes, it's very appealing. You're like you know- and I think that's also like real guys yeah. I think there is so much beautiful people there we consume. So what was so much beautiful people that were shocked when we see a regular looking person right way meant what? What did that person? That person must be a bad guy? I used to have

joke about that. They seem like you could hang out with them too, like they see like regular guys. That would be fun to hang out with yeah. It's like. Oh, I want to be with them. You know like when I first heard the premise I was like: oh this is, but by the way it's been going on for a while quite awhile, while I was doing shows in London and of the same agent, and they were doing an arena three nights in a row in London, it's crazy crazy. It's amazing like who the fuck saw that coming when I heard about it from ARI, ARI Shapiro, was telling me that these guys are selling out theaters. So I was like only it's incredible: how big they want. Five thousand people is like what yeah, what that was years ago. Now it's they've moved to arenas, yeah and, and they just keep going.

I have like a whole multimedia show, rightly show videos and all kinds of crazy in the Iraq and and they're also like that they're still the same guy yeah. So there were always those guys yeah. It wasn't like some cute boy who's trying to act like he's right, one of the guys right, like record company, produced boy band, yeah yeah, no, that's who they are, but that's probably why it residents of people because it is out- and I think authenticity is really important. I think that's what people like about. I think that's the success of this podcast is the authenticity of that. It's not pre, packaged there isn't. What I mean is the people that you should understand. It's like. Even it's a it's a it's a weird thing. I I don't know, I don't know if you want to talk about this and that's what we'll talk about the

that's a weird thing to me: it's and I do it, but like did you because I did this back when it was at the ice house, and it's like it's amazing yeah, it's pretty crazy. It's pretty crazy, yeah with fucks. All that coming, I didn't see it coming yeah, it's like it's a perfect example of doing something on your terms and it working out yeah for sure and also zero promotion of it promoted at all. I never did any television shows the promoter to got any ads or did other people's podcast to let people know about it. I just kept doing it. Please fill a. Let me just keep doing it I enjoy doing it just keep doing it and that it to cook totally one hundred percent built by word of mouth, and so what articles that are written about it? Do you read those are now nothing. I don't think it's wise because also break even generally, when there are articles written about comedians,

you're kind of there's, always like all right. Let's see what this half day of research, your body of work in the nineties there would be like New York magazine, would be like the end of stand up, come to read the article crown. I guess. Oh they followed that person. They don't even really even do stand up, so it is, there is no point behind it, but I'm just kind of a sucker for trying to understand where the Zeitgeist is trying to steer things. But in the end I think comedy you know, Seinfeld describes it as like. It all comes down to butts and seats butts in seats like they can kind of promote uh. You know like the new best thing, but you know those people show up to shows. You know they're not told where to go. I think once also important to note is that the narratives no longer being controlled by media? Like you, you can't

an article in Newsweek or on a website or some Youtube piece. It doesn't define things anymore. The landscape is too big, not no media outlet has any sort of monopoly and how to find someone or something that the people decide. Now it's really a meritocracy in that way. Yeah, if you, if you have something, that's good people find out about it and they like it, and you can write all your hit pieces that you want. They don't work anymore, doesn't work. You you'll, you'll change a few people's minds because they'll buy into it, but then, if they investigate them sales of your piece of shit journalist, this is a terrible article about something it you know, but I sometimes think like I have two theories on this one. I sometimes think was it always like this and I didn't see it or here's my other theory. My other theory is that in the collapse of traditional media, meaning the collapse of newspapers

and just as you know, television news bureaus that there it because there's no money to pay someone to be say. Like a movie review, my what my father in law is, he used to write movie reviews for in Milwaukee and he would review the movies. And now it's his job and that job is really only present in in very rare situations. Otherwise it's just the opportunity of someone that does it out of a passion thing, meaning someone who has a blog or it's someone who is doesn't need a financial incentive. So in other words there, like you, got fifty bucks to row, get a review of this thing, or so it ends up not being close to objective. Does that make sense yeah? No, it does, and I think, if you're going to really study something like if, if you want

to know about a person, you know say if it's politician or you know an actor or, moreover, you're writing about the idea that you're going to hear them out with just a few hours of Google searching is kind of crazy. It's absolutely correct and the the rushes to define someone in either

very flattering or very unflattering ways that this that's really where most of the energy goes most of the stories or either hit pieces or they're fluff pieces that seem to be propped up by a publicist yeah. There is, I feel, if, though, like I did this movie that came out um, it was just a small indie comedy where was a guy who had two separate families and they didn't know about each other. So it's like he's a good guy. No, but he had two families and it's a comedy it's set in the nineties, and you know the reviews that didn't like the movie. That didn't surprise me. You know, or the criticisms but like a lot of the reviews were kind of. There was a

one of like how dare this white male have to fit like they couldn't get beyond look it wasn't like they would insert like a social commentary onto a platform that was not for that yeah. Do you mean like it was there? There was a portrayal of, and they were great female actor actors that played my wives, and there was some reviews there, like they underserved them, and it's like you know what the movie was really about my character and a son. You know, and but like people were frustrated about story, but because of the day we live in it, it had to be kind of deciphered through this kind of social critique. That is just absurd

and it wasn't here- and there was a lot of reviews like that. Well, they feel like there's an obligation to discuss that now too, if they feel like there's, some sort of an imbalance sexually like between genders on a television show intersectionality if it has something to do with race or gender politics, or they feel like. This is something that must be discussed, and one of the things that I hear from friends at the very it is that when they pitch shows when they it shows the network, if they have a story, an idea like this is what we're trying to. This is the thing they like. Ok, where is the diversity yeah is like one of the first question, they're like well, it's about an irish family that lives in the box. Like I, don't know what to tell you yeah, you know it's. This is what the story's about like what where's the diversity you have to insert diversity to meet their criteria like you can just have a you, can have a story as long as the person's mmhm like you could have a story about a haitian haitian family and it just be all but the Haitians, no one's going to say well what about white guys? We need to get some

my guys on the show, because if you inserted the white guys, then it's the White Savior story, so you can't be the White guys yeah yeah. I just can't wait until we're done with all this I mean- maybe maybe will be long after we're done when long after we yeah, but when there's no more racism- and this is no longer a viable story line and like no one gives a fuck if you're, chinese or indian from Pakistan, we legit definitely don't care, they just different varieties of people and there's no judgment whatsoever. I can't wait for that time until then we just have to deal with these absurd people that pedal in this narrative that we you have to have. You know x amount of what I was reading. Some we're someone was saying that I should run for. I should moderate the presidential debates and there may and someone's I'm it's. Never, you know make them all smoke pot, but for sure is that we have. But someone said: why do that when you can give it to a talented black woman like okay, I'm out we're out we're not not talking

by the way. Here's the thing thing and I think you'd agree with me. I I do think there's an imbalance and we do have to correct it. Yes, and I do think that, like you know, and it's great, that we have the the knowledge and the foresight, but humans, we're just clumsy yeah we're just clumsy, you know with you know, we're just look. It looks just did this here when, when you know what creativity is much more complex than that, even even any comedian, we could have care top here. There's a new once on every joke, he does like people can sit there and be dismissive. But, like he's like you know what I can't do that joke before I do this joke, whereas people just think it's like no just stick this in their stick. It speech in there, but I almost feel is like when green book, one 'cause. I saw it after the fact I was like 'cause. You know like there's this, this belief of. Oh, you know you if you play a disabled per,

so you win, and but it's much more of like that movie winning was like. Oh yeah, you know it's it's. You know the great crime of America and race, so it it that up. It also do those with you know home sexuality and, like the struggle of that which is profound, I can't even contemplate it. But it's like that's why the movie one- and it was also we love Italians- Erica loves, get talk like it is he who doesn't love that America loves italian sale of Boston, and you know that's. You know, that's there's certain things that America loves. So I was like. Oh, that's why it won. I'm not saying it's a bad movie, I'm not taking video, wasn't great, I'm just saying that's why it won yeah and it's weird. It is a little weird, but it's on the other hand, one way to look at is the like this site: the idea that there can be no darkness without light right there can be no. There can be no

no real appreciation of true diverse today, without an understanding of racism like in to have it around in its ugliest form, makes you appreciate the people that don't expressed that that aren't racist that are just even keeled people that appreciate everybody, but you know there's also. This too is that now I'm I tend to lean left, I'm pretty liberal, socially, and but you know when Trump was elected and like there was women's March and all this stuff there was this. I had this thought process of like how do I? How do I do you know contact? How can I contribute? How can I help make this country better, which is sounds grandiose which it is, but the thing is is like I'm not changing anyone's mind. I really believe that it's like and if anything I think at my shows,

it's like people are kind of like break from it. Yes, I mean like it's we're all thinking about all the time there, like alright there's a a tariff chinese tariff. What does that mean? I don't know what that means is that are american farmers destroyed what what's going on but like when they come? To my show, they don't want me to rehash it. Yes, yeah. No, I think that one of the keys to your success is that you provide a vacation, fun. Silly well thought out. Comedically, brilliant sort of vacation from that also pointing out that humans are were absurd. Were yes shows a bit like. We just think humans think we have it every generation. We think we have it figured out now. That's the like. The the the sure Ed Ness of people makes me. Can there were people at a time that were like here how we serve the? How how we solve the fluids were

put these leeches on people trust me it's working like they. They were convinced that would work. Yeah yeah makes you wonder like what how we're going to view this generation one hundred years from now or two hundred years from now. Well, it's going to be fat, I mean I've got I've got a fifteen year old. Who is so my children? Are there so fascinating you live in New York City I live in New York City is create. I always what we talked about this a long time ago. That's a wild place to raise kids is it I don't know. I tell me I feel like there is um. There is a socio economic, cultural, more diversity, my kids walking to a subway station. Sure then, if we lived in the suburbs, preacher and uh yeah, you know it's, you know they don't have a yard, but, like I'm kind of

I don't know, it seems like people that have yards they're like paranoid about their kids, getting snatched anyway, so uh, but I don't know it's what I also you know. I feel like there's a lot of convene it's in New York that I like, and I also to be perfectly honest. It like in la I feel, like I feel, kind of smothered by the entertainment industry, and maybe it's my insecurity, but it's like no, I think, you're right, there's, like you drive down the street. There's all these billboards and each those billboards saying you're a failure. Look at this person, this person- this is their fifth show where they're going to get an Emmy nomination and people, don't even know your name. You know so it's I mean obviously just state had it where I stayed in New York because there's plenty of reasons to live in LA well. First and foremost, your comic you're always recognizes a comic, but you do a lot of other things as well, but, like being

you do a lot of other movies and television shows and stuff but being in New York City. I thank you in some ways you get the best of both worlds because you many clubs to perform in many clubs to practice in, but you also don't get that sort of scrutiny of the age since in the managers in the entertainment industry. So you can work on your shit and then probably that you're not surrounded by the business you're around fucking, regular folks, just huh can do anything, I'm traveling constantly too. So it's, but there is yeah. I just like do it.

Here's where I think I'm doing the doing it wrong or doing it right. It's like I just care about good stage, star quality stage time, whereas I think you know even you know like. I don't work at the cellar in New York City and that's you know some of that goes back history, but like some of it is. I just want stage time and I can eat dinner with my kids put some of them to bed and decide to do a spot. Go. Do the spot come back and wrangle, my two other kids to get to sleep, whereas, ah, if I went to the cellar or if I had to make the journey the drive in L a it would be a different commitment. What's the thing about the cellar that makes it more difficult? Well, you know. So if it is, is peers and friends like I don't like the idea, you know the high

are key of I always kind of get. You know a little bit. Okay, I'm just kind of like I just want to do stand up. I I want to do it. I spent a lot of time hang out in comedy clubs, and some of it is like in at the cellar. I don't want to bump some of my friends that I started with, and I also don't want to get bumped by somebody else. It's like you know, I'm not going to abuse, doing a sad but I'll go in and I'll do. Fifteen minutes it won't disrupt anyone's night, but I also you know that at the seller you know, there's gonna be people that show up sometimes there's a pack of three or four people that are going to do sets and everyone is kind of off for that night, but also it's.

You know it goes back like twenty years ago, I'm a low energy kind of comedian and it used to you know I used to put in a veils at the cellar and it would kind of determine I would get you know like you get a spot Wednesday at one, a dot m, and so I would be bummed for the week. So I don't want to. I don't want to give my power away citrus. I just want to do standup you'd, rather just do it yeah and also great, and- and I look I love the seller, but I feel like that's also. The layout of the room is far more interactive. Where is I want to try out material um, but I don't know it's shift. It's shifted because the seller is it's a great club with a great complex. I mean there's three rooms so, but some of it is I'm now at the point where I just wanna to one set, and I also don't want to like. I don't want a friend like Todd, Barry looking at me like you're

bumping me, you remain, do you call in or do you just show up? I call it so I'll call, but sometimes I'll decide it like eight hundred and ten I'll call Gotham and I'll go. Is it ok? If I come in and they'll say yes, it's better if you come in at eight hundred and forty or nine hundred and ten just so that I don't screw anyone, oh yeah and then, but like a Gotham, Seinfeld always goes there too. So it's like I'm like I got to get there before Jerry. Well, that's a beautiful thing about a big city like New York, particularly about New York, there's so many different options. In LOS Angeles, we really only have the comedy store, the improv, the laugh factory and then there's a few of the outskirts, but New York yeah, so many more options. It's a may

using the transformation. The comedy store has gone through yeah like it is that I would say it's probably one of the most important clubs in the country beyond a doubt, maybe I'm being it's like up there right as like the surefire thing, if you're an audience member, you go to the store, you're going to see a great show, but like fifteen years ago, I don't know if that was the case. No, no in two thousand eight yeah it was predicted who is responsible, 'cause that comes down to management that I want to do with it. It also the internet, a lot of us talking about how comic stores, also getting rid of the old management firing them right. They've found the old guy was running, the place was stealing money and they fired him. How many is a piece of shit anyway, there's so many stories where it's like, and then it

revealed they were stealing stealing here they now they did a sting operation and caught yeah stealing was bad guy, but just in the place poorly to yeah, and he was a reason why I was in there for seven years, yeah yeah. So I came back in. Do you know by all the talking of the store with comics on podcast to get so excited about it? And then you look at the line up like on a Tuesday night. It's just some murderers row and also those rooms are great, with the layout of rooms are like great for performing yeah they're, not kind of like this. You know, like I love zanies in Chicago, but it's like it's not like the stages three feet higher than the audience. It's almost perfectly designed and laid out. Yes, yeah yeah. You don't want to be above, like the the store, like the original room, is probably the best room in the world to figure out a few jokes for any good yeah, because if, if the, if you have any weird fat in your

Ariel or just after words, are fake news, sir, he just gets exposed in that room yeah. I love. I love going to different places and I call it purifying a joke a doing spots in anywhere now now I'm probably not come on down. I'm in old man get the fuck outta here until you going there yeah yeah, alright, maybe I'll go I'm up at nine hundred and thirty. Alright I'll go. So if you want me to hook it up going to bump you call in for you and make you yeah, I mean it's just I've been doing this all this promotion for this Amazon prime thing there's so many shows like their shows that I'm like and I've heard of him, but I'm like how many like it's it's getting to the point where people like we're doing individual shows for just one person like I feel like I'm like I'll. Do these shows and I'll be like alright.

You know- and I don't want to name but but you know like I think, like I look at my publicist, I'm like is there people that listen to this and he's like yeah, one million people on like really there's so many people, Jim? That's what it is. It's just that used to be the, but like it's strange to do a show have a great time. You know you're, really kind of engaged in conversation and it it drops and no one says anything on Twitter and Instagram Facebook. Well, there's! If you really stop and think about how many television shows are in terms of likes shows, you can binge watch it's impossible. You would literally lose your entire day every day of the week, just trying to keep up with the hits. There's no way it's impossible, and then you have how many people have talk shows how many, when is James Corden when is the tonight show and there's

bear? When did you decide to not because you used to do those shows yeah was there? Was it's a time management? It's a time management thing, and it's also. I don't believe that they have a good format. I think that format is nonsense. I think the four of waiting for commercials in the audience being right there and playing to the audience. It's not it's not an effective to have a conversation. It's definitely not an effective way to express ideas that are complicated. You want to be able to like air them out long form way, and you can't do that on those shows you just can't it's again. It's out any weirder. Controversial comes up. You stick your foot in your mouth. You never ever chance to take it out. Nobody really gets a chance to see how your mind really works like what? What are you thinking? What what? What is your head at? How do you come to these conclusions? What's your thought process? Who are you as a person, you good person? Are you trying to do good, yeah, you flawed, or what? What are you and

to find that out in a long form? Conversations like I want to Bernie Sanders on. One of the things that people said was most interesting is like skies. Not a cartoon. He's really nice. Guy, I see him on these shows and he seems like this fucking cartoonish character, but now you see him here in his long form conversation where it is no interruptions at all. He just has a chance to think and talk and express himself can you go now. I know the real Bernie, because I never knew him in these God. Damn debates means screaming for twelve. Second about health care about ten is about whatever it is. It's fascinating all right here. Let me let me ask you this okay, because give me one. Let me try to beautiful they're delicious. I go original flame and you used to use to the two right I used to depth and then I used to smoke cigarettes like there's my wife had.

Thank you. Videos, like you know we we have all these old videos of us doing, stand up and she was transferring them to like dvds at the time now. We're gonna have to get him off the dvd and she would find these videos of me doing stand up smoking on stage whoa back in the J son and she was like what do you do it and I'm like yeah I used to smoke, I use it. You know I had yellow fingers. I wish you cigarettes before I go onstage. Even recently. I smoked when Chappelle cigarettes last weekend. It gives you a crazy headrush before you go on stage. I like it it when I want to smoke cigarettes, sorry for the smacking in the microphone folks, it's a terrible thing to smoke cigarettes, but there's a weird rush that you get from the from the nicotine. I was like it's a head rush. It's like you feel good with yeah five feeling you feel it the first couple times and then you're chasing it for the rest of your life,

but the only money into a garbage can once a week smoke a cigarette once we for you on stage. That's that's a real, hey, kids out there, just there's less it uncle Joe just smoke, one cigarette a week and it'll be fun. Well, I'm thinking, maybe your nicotine gum might be the substitute for that, because when I'm getting is the nicotine right I mean that's with the restoration medalist right, smoking cigars for go onstage, I am hi. This is this. Is the nicotine gum it used to curb my hunger? A used to curb nothing does not do nothing at all. It's like, but we're talking about this outside. I'm like there are times when I've been more in shape than others, but I feel like at this point in my you know, maybe I'll just go in all in and fat guy. I might just be like you know what I'm just gonna go all in. You know, like you know I'll just you know I'll take the place of Annette. You know I'll. Just do that.

Your name you! You seem look thinner, though, than I've seen you before. I'm not I'm, not I'm not at all, but it's just I have low t. I don't know what that even means. Like I see those commercials testosterone yeah, do you take test track? Yeah I take this to you seem like you drink it every morning. Have you ever like, but I feel like we just need like enerji yeah, that will give you energy your body's die and it is it. Your endocrine system no longer produces the hormone I mean there. This is when you see an older person when they have diminished muscle there classes like shrinking, that's, what's going on their body, doesn't produce the hormones in order to keep the mass going. So what you have to do is two things: one. You have to lift weights. That's one thing into: do you have to supplement your arm too hard to know, but some of it is, I'm so focused. I'm eating so focused on ice

times. Listen to my set while they work out. It's like when you work out, you have to focus on working out yeah, but that's a good thing to do. I do that when I'm on the elliptical, sometimes I listen to listen to comedy. I think Liz I need sets is one thing that not enough comics: do they record their sets, but they don't listen to him 'cause, it's gross. You feel it's annoying. You don't want to hear it, but it's way the way you learn and I feel like I mean I don't know. I would like to know how you feel about this, but I feel like the amount of time that you spent concentrating material, has a direct result and how good it is and how good it gets. Quick, especially when you're producing special, so you abandoned all your material and then you have to write new stuff. For me, the process is greatly accelerate by physically writing. Physically writing is very important. I devote a lot of time to sit in front of a computer staring

smoking pot. Writing things out. Looking at notes, writing things out. Yeah performing those are critical, but also listening. Listening to those recordings and then writing notes on the recordings yeah. For me, the process, is it ships all the time right so there sometimes you just give birth to a chunk. Interbrew. Are it just comes out yes and you're, like oh, my God for God, and sometimes it's just like you're chiseling away at granite, and it's just bit by bit underneath. But for me it's doing these longer sets doing an hour and ten minutes I will and it's a shift from before it used to be like I needed the sits, a sets in the city to like build the piece by piece, but now I'm kind of all talk about like something that happened

when I was a kid and then a polish it over a long period, because in an hour show it's, you know, I believe you have to do a material every time you do a theater and it has to be new because you want people leaving going on coming back when it comes back yeah and so, but the writing process. It's it's always moving for me. Sometimes it is it's a lot of times like something of bump me and all right down on my phone and then sometimes all right around dead, or I will just go on stage and talk a little bit about it. Are you what, when you are doing sets in the city? Are you ever doing long sets like an hour not usually because it's in my when I'm in New York, you know having five kids, it's just just the commitment for like I'm looking at September, and I'm like. Oh, my gosh, like the the curriculum nights alone, are going to be insane and

there's going to be. You know, you know my daughter's in soccer and there's going to be all these meetings and there's just innumerable thanks. So like SAM Lease was assembly, you know like chatting with the prince of all who talks about it, their philosophy and so like there's, there's a come statement, but like doing the hour, I don't really usually do it in New York. But what I do oh Dio is. I will I like to do uh. I don't know what they're called now, but all shows in Brooklyn, which is you know, kind of like I'll do material that would work in a comedy club but like in a in Brooklyn in front of like a more. I don't know how to describe him. Waters hipsters are more precious audience precious dear. I mean. Where are you know like when I go on stage in new

work city in Manhattan? I'm a white guy who's like fat. When I go on stage in some of these rooms in Brooklyn, I'm a white man you're, I mean so it's a different experience and it's very important to see that, because how I characterize things you know it's it's good to like be educated on. You know all right. Maybe that does sound a little piggy go back right, right and then I'll go on the road I gaze at you, like a great example. Is I used to have back when USA, I'm sure you s today still there, but I have all this material that I developed in in Brooklyn about the USA today, how like it's just like a coloring book here I mean and how it's just kind of like. Do you like news, but also pictures of nose, and it was just great,

it would kill and Brooklyn would kill in New York, and then I would go on the road here would be like what the hell you talking about. I, like the USA today, that's what I get when I travel. You know I mean, or it's got a great sports section, so it's like there's so much value and traveling around with material 'cause. You gain different perspectives. Oh sure, the road is so critical for that you get a sense how people, especially when you doing clubs, I found that the wrote when you doing clubs, you really get a sense of like the feel of a city weather. It's Cleveland call! Yes, yeah! I mean I love the fact. Even you know so how you doing talking about you know I make a point of not doing too much material on having five kids but, like all, do like. If I talk about having five kids in New York City in at a show in New York City, people are like you're crazy and then, if I talked about having five kids in Boston

and I'm generalizing, people in Boston might be like you're crazy. I came from one of those families and if I do it in Utah would be like yeah. We are crazy for having five kids. So it is the same joke and it's the same point of view, but it's tweaked a little bit and it's so fun kind of traveling around and learning that material and learning the impact and how it's digested well. Comic have a unique perspective on America because of that, because we don't just go to these different places, but we also perform material in all these different places. So I think, like we have been talking a lot with comics lately about like what was your reaction to Trump winning. The election comics saw it coming more than most people who live in LA 'cause. Most people live in la very liberal, very left wing Vince that you know this is even it didn't matter who you

for Hillary who's, gonna win. California, no matter what yeah like we were. This is a pro yeah democrat state and when Trump one I read in the people that were Shell shocked, they couldn't a magic. I mean I think I mean I was surprised. I was definitely surprised, but that being said, I wasn't surprised by the the logic behind some of the people that voted for Trump. Last time that our sheepish to admit it now, yes, I understood some of that logic, but I thought it was fascinating, because there was a time for me because I tour with TED Alexander a lot and he's like an octet he's like he's like an Occupy Wall Street, like he's like very progressive and we would tour and he would have during the election, he would have some

girl on Hillary and some material on Trump and it worked. Every worked on Texas worked in Tennessee, which I think is the most conservative place outside of Nashville, and so it will work everywhere and then the election happened and that same material, and it wasn't just the contacts of the at post election. It was, I call I describe it as people looking at the ceiling is that people didn't want to hear it, and I think some of it is people like we deal with this all day. We need a break from it, but it was both sites. Yeah so like to voters were more emboldened kind of like that's right and then also the left people were like. Please can I I just want to hear Jim talk about horses, for ten minutes do remain, and so there is something fascinating that occurs and there's also something

saying about international shows, because when Bush was when W was president, there were much more people coming up to me going. How dare he is, you know, start the Iraq war and with with Trump yeah. You probably didn't have anything to do with that yeah I would say: that's my takeaway yeah people are definitely fatigue. I think we have yeah. We have political discourse fatigue, it's never ending, never ending, and if it is how much of you that is your life, if you really stop and think about, if you're alive for seven thousand five hundred and eighty five years on this planet and most of your waking time, interacting with people, is discussing politics, how much of it actually does affect her life other than those converse. Those conversations, it's a giant part a lot of people's anxiety, a giant part of the, but the real life like getting up in the morning fixing breakfast for kids.

I can this guy much is Trump play. A part in any of that we did. I did a c b s Sunday commentary on how all conversations lead to Trump like a it's. Just every conversation eventually gets too and then Trump did something like that. But it is I. I was also thinking like because we we live in this very precarious time, and you know a very divided country, be on a lot of different levels and there's so much drama and there's you know. You know our mental disaster impending and again to my point of like the Wi Fi, and we figured it out. This is the most dramatic period, but compared to world WAR two now this is nothing nothing. This is nothing I was in Central Europe Watt like human beings, like

I, you know you know and we're going around. This is a terrorist in this place outside of Prague, where they stuck all the jewish people and with my children and my children, who would just wanna play on ipads were just mesmerized the like what and and the take away was not the Germans are bad and are bad. The take away is humans are crazy, but it's just a matter of months that these same people that were your neighbors, that you would go to their kids birthday parties. You were waving goodbye to because you got their apartment and I'm like, oh, like it was terrifying. Like human beings, it's very easy for us to go yeah. It was the Germans. It was the Germans that did that. You know, isn't Lithuanians, but it wasn't. It was human beings that were like manipulated like that

yeah. If we catch the wrong leader, yeah yeah like work right next to you that that is a world war, two helmet, that's a legitimate world war, two helmet and a bayonet wow. That's a good reminder: it's filled with little holes and shit. There's apparently places in Europe where you can fuck find thousands of those things just scattered out there. You know, there's are areas in France that are impossible for people to go to be there's so many rounds that have been shot into the ground there and so much toxic chemicals and stuff in world war. Two that to this day, they don't want people traveling to an enormous size, the size of Paris. It's in France, yeah see if you find that amazing, like there's a day from the forties so like when I was in prague- and you know you go on these tours and the punishment like they would would be like, and this I also learned this in Greece- they'd be like okay, so as punishment,

we are going to murder an entire village, so we're gonna in your like what and by the way again, we can characterize this. This of because on the internet of runs, Quebec Gaffigan was defending. That's not my point at all is just that human beings, like it wasn't that long ago, when, like rape and pillage, was the go to tactic. It's like I will conquer then will rape and pillage you know there were some guys really. You know what can I just pillage? I just you know, get a girlfriend now and I don't really feel like raping what we were talking about Kurdestan the other day that, to this day, twenty percent of all marriages begin in kidnapping. What? Yes? Twenty percent, so one out of five marriages, started with the groom kidnapping the bride, like that's, how they had get married because he raped her. So in order for her was a war, it's

Belize, Enis, it's fucking crazy! Here it is the Red Zone in France is so dangerous at one hundred years after world war. Two, it's still a no go area, there's all sorts of red sounds and munitions and there's all sorts of there's. So many rockets were fired into this area that this shit still in the soil and everyone why you know this also brings up a separate point whi. Why is the surprise what what humans also have a really what a real short term memory problems like? We don't remember things right like I, don't think people really appreciate. You know that world or two was like seventy years ago. Right like it was not. That long ago, like even you know like Serbia, I was the prof neck and they're like yeah right up there, the montenegrins used to shoot at us now, those guys you know. Now we go to their bar and you're like what like

that was the nineties. It's just it's just terrifying, it's it's hard to believe, but if you're in the wrong place in history at the wrong time like right now, if you were in Libya but Libya right now or Syria and Libya is a failed state, mean serious, horror call Asad running it, but Libya is no one running it in Libya, they're selling slaves. On Youtube, I mean you can watch slave auctions in real time right now, it's a terrifying, terrifying place and it's because they killed Moammar Qaddafi and then the rebels took over and then it became a felt failed state. It's chaos, and this is right now in two thousand nineteen. If you were unfortunate enough to be born in Libya, you are stuck there right now in your living in hell, you're, not living in Manhattan. In two thousand and nineteen, where it's wonderful, Jim Gaffigan, upon over to graph yeah, say hi to Jerry Seinfeld, do a sit down, have a meatball sub and you know do whatever the fuck you want.

You're living in a chaos filled environment where barbarians are running the show. This can happen. This can happen, and this is one of the reasons why are democracy is so important. One of the reasons by compassion is so important and kindness and talking to people, and it's also important, to look at things objectively and label things based on compassion, but looking at things in an intelligent nonbiased way, so we could really get a sense of what the landscape really is. If you're, you know, everybody's a fucking nazi and everybody is terribly- why probably just white privilege that everyone's a criminal, everyone's bad, there's real crime in the world, there's real terror in real awful things, and we have

unity we have more in common than than we promote. You know what I think is- and I think this is also a reflection of the success of comedians podcast- is that what what people don't realize is that comedians really appreciate a different point of view? We actually is the lake, for we have friends that, like we don't agree with. In fact, we almost find it entertaining like. Let's talk to this friend because I know I disagree with him and we can have that banter and I think that, particularly in this cancel culture, there is, and so like you get these comedians, like you hosting these podcasts having these discussions

and and comedians have kind of like the boldness to step in it and say hey. I don't know about that. Tell me about that. Where is likes it from a societal basis? There's like dumb question, don't question: why do we were pursuing this because of your question it? That means you're, not a true believer and we're looking for true believers, where is and by the way it's it's just interesting, because I think you know I have a friend Tom Shillue, who I love who's, who has a show on ah on Fox nation, and it is weird because, like six years ago- and I did this interview- and I talked about it and- and I could see the interview ago- you're friends with someone that works at Fox and I'm like yeah, you know it's like it's: okay, yeah, it's okay, he's not a monster. Yeah he's not killing.

You know he's not putting children in cages, I'm good friends with Steve Hilton. He has a show on Fox. He interviewed trump about my family and his family. Go on vacations together and he's got it's like. Why, like it's, it's it's this strange thing where I'm like. I can understand how important these beliefs are, and I can understand how threatening democracy is, and I can understand how we have to face our history and all these things. But it's like the discourse has toe remain. Doesn't it? Yes, we have to be able to talk to each other and I think that's one of things. It kind of died with the Trump election. People were leg, you're with us or against us. You were there for him or or your fuel for the future and compassion and caring about everyone or you're a monster and there's no there's no discussion about

finances are the best way to run the economy on your international trade, not in a your your with the good or the bad, your binary, it's one or zero you're black or white you're one or zero. I, but that is the same thing that they criticized about W, saying you're, either with us or against which, by the way being a father of daughters, you know is also a line from beauty and the beast yeah, but is it appropriately so right? It's like very childlike, like that perspectives, very childlike, a lot of people that a conservative that are very good people. Absolutely that's! You know here's another thing that I find very frustrating. I feel it's though, I'm sometimes and sometimes I'll, get messages on social media and they'll be like you know that some of the people that, like your comedy, are trump supporters and I'm like,

I hope so. I hope that I appeal to a lot of different people. You know I it's it's a very strange look. I remember the success I had and I'm so grateful for the success that I've had on beyond the pale. I remember it like. I came back to New York after I'd done this tour and you don't know with stand up. You don't know how long it's gonna last you don't know. What's going on and I came back and I remember some one reading an article maybe was in time out New York and they're, like he's very mainstream mainstream, and there was recently a New York Times article. He is very conventional and I'm like what is that I mean like conventional in that people want to go and see me perform like a lot of people like that is like that's a crime yeah like that's he's. You know he. You know it's like it's, so we

given this age like there used to be comedians, and I think it's inhibited some people success where like. If it's like Bill Burr one of the best comedians today and I think people are sometimes people in the media are like you know the wrong people might like his material near like that. Doesn't Durham saying it. I'm saying yes paranoid, but I'm like no. I get that from this podcast. It's it's a very strange. It's it's! It's almost kind of a. You know- and I and I don't know if I've talked about this but, like you know like there's this cultural revolution that is occurring. That is it's well intended, but it's almost it's almost puritanical and it and by the way, I'm not somebody I'm against any form of censorship, but I'm also somebody that believes that if we can articulate

Trans gender terms that make people that are Trans gender feel comfortable, there's there's nothing wrong with that. We can adjust our language, we do it all the time, but I do think that there is kind of this almost puritanical thing. That's ironically, happening on the left. That is what we you know as comedians. We used to make fun of the right, for does that make sense? Yes, very strange kind of like what you guys are doing what you accuse these guys of doing forever. They don't see it that way, because they feel like they're, right and you're right. Then it doesn't matter if you're is well intended yeah. I do think it's well into. I don't question someone's motives like. I don't think that, like I remember and I'm going to get blowback on this look, I don't think that w

uh what had malicious intent. I think he was well intended. You know he failed at things, but I think he was well intended. I think that's probably a logical perspective and I think Dick Cheney's, probably Satan you think so. I think Dick Cheney was run shot me straight from how that's why I had that bunker deep deep down under that. I think that bunker existed. He was right, wasn't like he was like it's not like. He was like. I need a bunker. He had a straight shot straight to Hell, that's it was it was. It was down there. That's! How is heated, that's why it was so warm that's what remember when he was in the bunker. After nine hundred and eleven there was a Dick Cheney's in a bunker. How come George Bush is playing golf he's out there because he was on for forehead. He was in DC and those the separation of powers. Then we also they Adam Mckay movie you're like. How much is that true? I know right how much is that, true

in the power to because Dick Cheney, what I I you know, I also doubt everything I always quote. You know like everything I I hear about. I'm kind of like cut it in half, which makes me kind of still think Trump is yeah. Absolutely crazy. But, like you know, Dick Cheney is there, which is he is, and I don't think he cares, but like there's, no, I like to do with the the narrative has been set for him. Yeah, there's no kind of like you're not going to believe this, but Dick Cheney is it's like one of the funniest storytellers like that. There's nothing! There's no changing the narrow of Dick Jamie right, like George W's painting, and he does a lot of painting it. Painting is kind of lovely. It's like it's cute sweet stuff. It's like shows you where his mind is that this is where he chooses

spend his Katrina. He didn't go there right away. Well, he hates black people according to Connie W, but Dick Cheney is a complete different animal like he shot his friend in the face and his friend apologized, but he didn't do it. He obviously didn't do it on purpose, probably drunk, and then he disappeared for twenty four hours. Do you know that he didn't immediately turn himself in? They will want you hey. I was most likely drinking. They they they were doing, was called a canned hunt when they open up these gates and with these birds fly on, they just start blasting him and he shot his friend, but it was. It could have been a mistake. It was a mistake, but he's probably I'm known as the Dick Cheney apologize nice to explain this highly Burton. So he was. The ceo of Halliburton leaves how Burton and he becomes a vice president, and then he gives Halliburton

these no bid contracts to rebuild Iraq after they blew it up. So explain that as a as a by apologists arm. You know, I would say one a no bid contracts happen. Often our that's. What I've heard. How can you do another? One of those my heart is pounding on my check because I'm a real man, I'm more manly than you. You know only those you traveling will type a I'm a real like I get up. I do. What are those bells that you kind of animals kettle bells? You know what I eat a bowl of us for cereal when you're a man like me. That's what I do put Cbd oil on my knees and then I just lift Eyelift bulldozers. That's what I do for breakfast, then I Jogu mountains and just yell, and then I just come home and I just eat elk meat. But, unlike you, I don't cook it. I just eat the elk when it's sometimes it's better to cook, though what is Elk meat taste like

really wish around here. Do not really care each in here. If I think it is here, I cook some would you eat? So I'm support were at this compound. You, you have this huge place. You got a horse track in the backyard of a kitchen, the I'm going to open up a kitchen here seriously. I'm actually I'm thinking about putting together a restaurant Alec thing. What makes the movie have talked about this, and I haven't heard the episode but Elk meat. Is that good or it's just so wild animals? Why does it taste like deer? You know like Benadir, Venice, in your life. Oh, this is good. You know if I have really strong mustard, I'm not hungry man, it's just prepared poorly. This is delicious. It's all of it is how the meat is taken. Care of after the animal dies, whether it's cooled quickly and how it's processed. That's all. It is how it's cleaned, how it's cut up, how to vacuum, sealed and free almost immediately almost immediately after the animal dies, don't let it in the glands like they have tarsal glands that they can get. They have

hormones like a lot of times when you shooting these animals, it's during the rut so there reading- and this is why this is when they get these hormones and these tarsal glands they put the- and if I don't get it on the more elk, why don't we eat Morel, 'cause? There's a wild animals in illegal animal to sell. You have to go out and hunt them here, but why doesn't someone just started in Elk farm? Because it's we look down on those? Well there's a lot of there's a lot of factors there. First of all, you can buy meat lobby yeah; no, no! No! You can buy it from New Zealand. Zealand sells a lot of it and I think, there's some place. This is where you can buy commercially raised. Elkin North America. I'm not exactly sure, if that's the case, but it's silly legal to sell wild game and there's a dick between an animal. That's been penned in and force FED, and just you know, big bales of hay and whatever you for awhile there. This yeah, I'm I'm interested in wild animals because I, the wild animals, are healthier. Also, I think the car

some of what you're doing is very different you're just going after away wild animal, that's in the rotten they wind up, killing each other. They get killed by mountain lions and wolves and bears, and what time doing his own dipping my toe go into the natural world circle of life, I'm going after them. The way outline will go after I'm just using a bow and arrow and I'm getting want to bring in the back, and then I eat that one animal hope for a whole year, I'll feed my family, you know Tom Papa Tom Papa is a good night. This bread out of it's like you, wouldn't pop up like restaurant. You have to have Papa, did the pro for sure yeah he'll be the bread man, bread really good for foundations in kit, sell the weed, and then anybody could sell the weed today right. I guess anyone could today, but but like you, love Elk, you wake up in you're, like you know what I want out this morning for breakfast bowl who doesn't have help for breakfast. Do you have

look SIRI? I had sausage sausage for breakfast and do you make your own elk sausage? No, I get that made. I get it made by a butcher that I know, and so do you think that when I come back as I do this pack, every six years, when I come back and do it is what often as you want thank you, you just didn't have the right phone numbers. Do you think that we will that the? What is the it's? The do you think that L K as the new kale, but you are gonna that we're gonna track it back it's too hard to do. Did you go out and get yourself it's very difficult to have to be like really committed to learning how Hunt and then to be fit enough to climb the mountains, and then we track it back. You have to carry it out in chunks, chop it up, and then you carry it out in chunks quarter it meaning you take the legs off and you take the back straps. You know that there's like grocery stores from it is not the serve elk and there's a diff

experience. I know was an just. Why wouldn't someone listening to this start an Elk ranch, and so they don't think it's illegal? It's not late. No, it's not legal to sell wild game and then there's a reason for that. Also, when you have these farms, there are farms that raise deer and some other animals, there's a real problem with cron wasting disease and certain diseases that get easily spread when all these animals are eating, offer the same food source. So if they have like a bin where eating out and they share saliva, it actually contributes to the contamination of certain diseases and there's a real problem in this country with something called Cwd, which is chronic wasting disease and it's the same exact thing of is: ah mad cow disease. It just hasn't jumped over to other animals that jumped over two mice, but it hasn't jumped over to humans. But if it did jump over to humans, it would be a gigantic fucking problem and part of that problem. They believe stems from farms

from farms that are raising deer. It's very controversial, really. These people have close. Where are you? Where do you go to? Hunt Elk's? Were a big one and I go there from from where I heartfelt I go to Utah every year. Go to Colorado is a great place to hunt our Montana. It's a great place to accelerate l, counting area just got to go into the job. Come with me. If you find out you, so you can work out, and I would I would have. Unlike you I wouldn't cord. I just drag it back through them is not enough. I and and put some kettlebells stick your dick in the kids carried out like a condom. He just sit, and so there big animals so like. If they, if you miss, will they charge you most of the time, won't do that, but a moose certainly would move getting looser snacks that far you up. That's a great there. There you go yeah, I shot that one in central California, and so how do you get that on an airplane? Well,

well, you have to quarter it up chop it up into portions, freeze it and then stick it in like a yeti, cooler and then I'll seal Yeti Cooler and you have to bring it through customs and then they have to. Ah, you have to look at it, not customs, but ah TSA. They have to open it up and check it out inspect it make sure it's closed human, yes, not a human yeah, and then they would really wouldn't know if it was a human. As long as the package that you could say, it's wild the idea hollow, and so what is that thing there? That is for my friend, Adam Green Tree, that is an asiatic water Buffalo that he shot in Australia. Yeah he's a buddy of mine gave it to me, so I decided to put it and so how many El Kay of your shot? Thank you. You really will go over a year to a year to eat it yeah yeah about now I can one in about six months, my families a lot of it. I guess I give a lot of it to my friends and do what do people say? It's like the is. Are your daughters are

Alk again? Sometimes sometimes you get annoyed. We a lot of meat and a lot of elk stew. It's healthier than beef, oh yeah, but why is it healthier? It's got more protein per ounce. It's got Maur Amino acids. It's it's a darker Richard color like if you look at grass FED beef. This is great FED beef. One thing the notices is the grass FED beef is a darker color, the meats dark, our cars, it's a healthier animal! That's what that's beef supposed to look like what don't you eat? I eat a lot of food. You eat fast. Food occasionally occasionally mean I'm not I'm not rigid like lead in and out burger a there yeah, I'm out that ridge. That is your right out of line and now burger. Are you imagining that it's in now burger? No, no, I'm just a joint. Do you consider yourself an elk make Elk meat advocate? Yes, you are human elk because you want to convert people. No, no, why not their ranch? No! No! No! No! I don't want people to buy it like that. I think

even saying that you should go out and hunt, I'm not saying that people should do it, but I'm saying is: if you did do it, you'd have a completely different relationship with your food when I'm eating something. There's like a real good feeling that I know that I harvested that thing. I was out the woods. I chased it for days. I was trying to get the wind right so that the wind is out of my back blowing towards the animal I gotta sneak up on and slowly I to figure my way to where get a clean shot on this animal. Then once I kill, then we have to drag it out of there. We have to cut it up and carry him and we aim for the head or do you aim for the heart came from the heart, but if you have a powered rifle, there's a lot of people that our chefs that shoot him in the head, there's they'll. They think that it's quicker, like you, did that if they die quicker, they taste better but and they taste delicious. I don't.

I don't really think there's any need for that in this out. Doesn't idea that if the animal is too much adrenaline and a look of it spooked there it'll taint the flavor, the meat, but what is the universal? You are a hijacked, your no one else, but what is the unit? What is the unifying thing that comedians UFC fighters and hunters all have in common? It's difficult, we doing difficult things, different define thing yeah, it is difficult pursuit summit point is to comedy, is an extremely difficult pursuit. The idea I've taken an idea crafting it and then distribute unit performing in front of people paid money to hear you talk when they can talk to to pay your, not not dealers in audacity yeah you're not doing flips, you don't have a fucking multimedia show, there's no pyrotechnics but you're. Just talking and people will pay me. I can get a babysitter draw.

You got to make sure it's right, because they'll get fucking angry. You is there's a direct correlation in between how happy people are when you make them laugh versus angry. They are, if you don't make them by the way. I believe that you know people talk and my tickets are or are not high or anything, but I think people care more about their time yeah than they do about the money. Yes, it's like, because if you're a parent you hear like I got the this is my one night, you better be good. Yes, yeah! It's like it's like when you go to a restaurant and you're like really. This is my entree. Here I mean granted, I eat out every night, but what I used to be healthy when I used to be healthy and I'd have at burger like once a month you be like this is my burger and it's bad city burn. Now I have like two burgers a day and it's like I'm always happy. Well, that's good! It's good, but think the thing they have in common is that they're all difficult things.

Martial arts are incredibly difficult. There's no bullshit! In martial arts you hit someone who don't either hit you or they don't you either win or you don't it's like. It's really cut and dry, and it's just a matter of how much effort you put into it. How much you learn your craft? How much you've recognized your week is in short up your holes in your defense, in Profense, offense and and then you execute when you have to which is means like when it's time for a fight you perform you rise to the occasion or you don't very similar to going on stage, not with the same consequences but very similar in terms of like rising to the occasion you something you have to be. You have to like stand up, you have to be doing it like it's not you know, Eddie Murphy is amazing, but the reason he didn't just pop back into doing standup is he understands. I took it like, like I'm friends with him, but he understands you have to do it. Yes, often to be. I mean that's by the way,

Chris Rock amazing that he literally took like ten years off and then got back into the ritual and an 'cause. It's a commitment. There's nothing! Really that fancy about it but like when it comes to you see you have to you, can't just pick it up right, but hunting. You can pick it up right! Well or not. You can pick up some kinds of hunting right, like you could pick up rifle hunting for certain animals. All you have to do is understand how to keep your breath under control, how to not flinch when you pull the trigger, how to aim how to use a weapon properly and have someone who puts you in a good position where you know you have a guide. Maybe that helps bring bring you along bow. Hunting is another level of commitment that requires athleticism you most likely going to have to be in really good shape, because you're going to have to go into the mountains and just the alt to the loan and then going climbing up hills. You going up

several up and down several thousand feet of elevation in a day and there are a garage doors. There's groceries and grocery stores are wild up, so fascinating facet. I think, because sometimes out of a look at you know the the the community of comedians and which I truly enjoy, I read- and you are this due to its like You'Ll- sometimes run into other communities that, because there is this solitary nature to it, and then there this shared obsession like I sometimes feel like shafts or people. That would you know just even cooks that really get true enjoyment out of it. Our have that shared kind of like you, the prep time, the

kind of you're doing it for yourself, like you know, chef, will come to the table and say: do you like your meal, but they don't need someone to approve it. They know. So it's like with stand up. It's it's the respect of your peers to it like it's great, it's gratifying, the audience liking it, but there's something about the creation of the material that is so profoundly approving and the also the feedback that you get from an audience that is. Separate from lake the suppose it fame. Dare you put an alarm, I know what are you try to do? That means it's time to eat out yeah. No, I mean, I think many communities that are like important communities have are important to the people and well they have the. There are a lot of common aspects, whether it's comedians or mean

anything, that's difficult right. If there's not like is when you think about comedians, there's not that many of us have you really stop to think about. There's three hundred million people in this country. How many professional comedians is there even one thousand, I mean how many people are really making a living off just doing stand up, I mean I would venture that would be about two hundred and fifty amazing, because by the way, when I started and and you're around the same period, it was there was like nobody. There was an by the way and Seinfeld Sarah there was even less know about Lenny Bruce is error. There was like him hum and Mort Saul and, like one other guy, yeah yeah insane insane train, but now there's like professors,

yeah say that that's ridiculous. There are ridiculous. I I hear in view interviewed one guy wrote a book on comedy about that's ridiculous. I generally, I think that I think that stand up when people it's like when we try and figure out why joke works so that we can figure out how to do another one we lose it like. There is some magic there, some magic not to get too. There is something of like there's a moment in sometimes singer songwriters talk about this that, like a song just appears, and some of it is we put in the time- and we we put in the work on ourselves and kind of like self reflection and we're open to understanding who are point of view is and we're embracing our embarrassment. That kind of opens us to material yeah. Then this also the more you do it and the more frequently you do it, the more you kind of have a feel for it, and

you take time off. That's what it's really weird like for me. I went on vacation recently to ITALY, and then I went back on stage after like twelve days, and I was like what do I know how to do this weird feeling it's a weird feeling you gotta be immersed in at all the time, but I also think it's great to take those little vacation. You get a great perspective yeah. Now it's like. Suddenly you come back and you you find that the piece to the puzzle, yeah. You need like little breaks, but I think that's the case with virtually everything that we all need. Pursed active and you need discipline and you need this. The work ethic to do all to put all the time in and do all the work. You also need to think clearly and you need an enthusiasm and sometimes that, like it's Intel Hedjet in and its discipline to take a break yeah, it is it's I find it hard. I mean I also like I'm somebody

like, I always arrive in a market with an hour of new material, but- and I have there's plenty of people that they do a on- that they take a break and they hang out and they might kind of slowly develop more material and to me that is, I don't know if that's am on both sides of it I and stand the value of it, but I also there's I don't. I don't have control of when the stuff's going to come out, so I kind of want. I want to be paying attention when the material comes out. Sometimes you know that comedians all have this. It's like you had a great idea, but you didn't reach over for you phone when you were falling asleep gone is gone. That's I jump up I'll put a plus my ears and run out of the room with my wife and kids are talking five. You should not use now, but I got it, but my wife is awesome about it. Let's see, I

I just got out of an idea, and I just have to say it to her. So she doesn't think I'm just playing with my phone while we're at dinner. I just go. I got an idea and she'll. Let me show you do that, but you have to do that. If don't do that, those things slip away like a salmon in a river like grab it grab it that's right and it's gone there. We are the bear and then the alcast watching and then Joe shoots the any idea. What is an elk sound like like that and they're just huge they're like five hundred pounds, and what are they just? Are they vegetarian? Yes signs and what about a bear? If you ever shot a bear? Yes, you've been to a brown, bear black bear they're, very good, they taste good and you have to shoot it was they eat everything they eat, each other they eat all the Elk. Babies need all the deer babies, fifty percent call Elk and deer. Fawns are l, L, calves and deer fawns are eaten by bears fifty percent yeah, they devastate populations, but it's a balance of.

If you know I mean it's the circle of life, yes, but it's a balance. It's like you have to. There has to be some control predators, it's a wild world and I've been involved in it since, like two thousand and twelve, that's what really got it, and so, when you were growing up, you were did. Did you hunt fish? Your kid did a lot of fishing yeah and where did you grow up but well? I was born New Jersey, but I lived in a lot of places. I lived in San Francisco for awhile from eight seven, two hundred and eleven. I lived in Florida from eleven to thirteen and then Boston from thirteen to twenty four. Then New York, then, is it nature or nurture here? Are you because of you, because of life experience, or were you born like this? I think there's a little bit of both for and and also some of it is. You know you've been on this self. You know, I feel like characterizing this as an insult, but it's not, but you are somebody who's like I'm, going to sell

with myself now try to do that all to mentally physically everything Elle king, but I think you can always do better right, and so how do you find out, if you can do er, was that your mentality was that your mentality in your early twenties yeah? They came from martial arts, because if you don't try to get better the wanted getting fucked up like it's dangerous, like you get hurt, you know, because I grew up from from high school from time was fifteen till I was twenty one. All I did was travel the country and fight. I competed with Mister Miyagi, though he wasn't around back there, but that's really what I did that's all and so that the men twality had to be constantly looking to improve figure out what you're doing wrong you're in a how to do better and and being brutally honest about your your strengths and weaknesses and we'll be right back. It's a weird transition from the

on the stand up comedy you know, but I think there's some parallels is impaired was because bombing on stage is one I've lost fights, but bombing on age might feel worse. It might be the his feeling you could ever feel other than like physical pain, yeah. You know there is something about it. I don't think it's weird when people we'll say I could never do that and and in some ways I think comedians we for gas, because there are a good beginning. There are dark days. There are levels of humiliation with that most normal people would go. Don't ever do that, but comedians are such lunatics the daily. That's, fine, that's fine, and by the way, what they don't realize is there's some of us that break through and we can kind of figure it out, but they

for some people that try stand up fail, miserably, have the perseverance and never get better. That's true! It's brutal, there's certain there's a certain mindset that never improves, and I don't know what that is. I don't know if it's a genetic thing, if it's a lack of brain horse power, there's certain people that just never get it, they never get it, they try and they don't they just they. Never they never figure their way through and there it is also something about. I. I have a big belief that comedy changes, just as we were talking about you know, there's a difference between Politica correctness and like there is a um, a cultural trend. That sum was kind of looking for someone making a mistake that it's shifted every. I call it a decade. It's so like there is a in the

ladies that you know at the peak of kind of so Infeld stand up which transformed into his show. He didn't need to provide any autobiographical information. It was just jokes and there was also it was even Carlin at his peak. He wasn't he would provide some. He was grounded in author city, but it wasn't like I struggle with whether I'm a good dad or not. It was, but in this day and age there is we're such an exhibition and voyeuristic culture that there is a requirement of that where I think that when I want stand up yeah and by the way, I also believe that when people go all my stories, everything true that's true. It's like it's not true. It's it's inspired by truth, but but authenticity is

so important. So when you hear a comedian say my girlfriend or my father- and it's not true like that, could have worked in the eighties, but I think now the authenticity is the audiences like. Oh that's a great joke, but that's not your girlfriend, your dad or your brother or like during I'm saying yeah you have to maybe, if you're like a real absurdist and like it's obvious, you're, lying about everything and that's part of the joke: oh yeah, yeah other than that yeah. You just make up a story and by the way I also think that in ten years it might be all lights. But now, in this Kardashian of reality show era, people want to see a little bit behind that. You know I mean I think that, whether it's Burt or Segura there's the stories that people relish

in their lives in seeing their lives and sharing the experience and and that's something that wasn't necessarily prevalent or maybe I'm just talking about my I don't know I think you're right I mean I think we didn't really know much about comics back in the day. We just know about the rent to prior did this forty years ago yeah, but he was an anomaly. He was the he was the you know. So unique and wouldn't it be amazing to see prior back then on a podcast like Cipri and gene wilder sitting down just shooting the for hours. We have an incredible unbelievable. Well, it's it's! I remember when I saw when I you know was deep in the stand out, maybe like eight year sized room when consumed prior stuff. Again after you know being in the business, it was so shocking how much had been stolen from him like

entire acts. You, like. Oh, my gosh yeah, you know that's in so, and so special, that's in every comedian that come from a certain area. Does these jokes and it was, but he was really revolutionary on so a different levels. Forget the for the true gift of like being funny an autobiographical and kind of vulnerable. What people don't realize that like when he did that show in long beach, it's like any open for Patti Labelle. Thank. And people were coming in at the beginning. It's like yeah, that's absurd that someone that someone special you member he's doing that special in long beach and there was a guy who walked up right to the stage with a camera and get the fuck out of here. Man go sit out and he left that in there left it in and by the way people have to understand that that wasn't you know, half those people

or not. They were there to see Patti Labelle yeah, like that's, really amazing. Yeah like that super talent, that's like well, I can, I think, Chappelle has that, like just you know, I don't know it's like almost like level level of genius, where he's almost kind of like I'm, to set up a hurdle myself yeah. It's absurd well, should also constantly working man like he just popped in the belly room two nights ago. Just showed up, does it in the belly room doesn't set in the in the main room goes over the improv constantly wrapping around you know. I've told this story before, but it's a it's a crazy one I was in Denver, was doing the comedy works and Friday night at ten o'clock show I get done. I go to the green room. Dave's there I go. Are you doing man eagles Owo Joe? I was so I decided to come by like he decided to come by, meaning he flew into Denver on a private jet, but with no show set up,

because he knew that I was going to be there and want to do a set. So he just does what he wants. Are you just shows up when I go, do you want to go up? It goes? Oh, should I go fuck yeah hold on a second, I run back in stage. I tell the audience I go. Come back, sit down, Dave Chappelle's here, they're like watt, and so everybody comes back in it's it's down to go. Ladies and gentlemen. Please welcome Dave Chappelle. It goes up in just forty minutes. Just free just does it, but he's just doing that all the time. It's not all for money, it's all for the craft. It's all for performing work now the material just travels around and does these things and you know shows DC, does like eighteen shows at the Warner just over two one slash two weeks just does is always always on top of it. You know, and that is why it's not just his is obvious talent and his brilliance, but also his work ethic things most. It's there's not one without the other, you don't just get the guy who takes six so often he's just brilliant always and you wake him up. He

the best set ever know it's like simply grinding constantly yeah, and I think, with our with this art form that we do it requires diligence requires at eight and it is totally diligent yeah. Do you write on paper? Do you write on a laptop? I tell you, I don't even have my stuff here, but I'm always putting stuff down, but let are I are. You know some of its bits said in you know like these written notes. From like Ireland, I mean I love being in other cultures 'cause. I not only do you see the eccentric side of their culture, but it also exposes how absurd our culture is yeah, but yeah. No it's some of it is just and also you know it's just just absurd. You know it's like also in another country as opposed to

jeez. It's so different, and I am an American, so I I can just kind of horse around for ten minutes and sometimes I'm doing the equivalent of like the subway joke. You know like when people would come to New York and, like I was on the subway and you're like don't do, but what I'm like in Spain, I'm like you know what I'm probably doing the equivalent of a subway job, but they appreciate the research, and I really do I do. I am fascinated by other cultures, and I am fascinated- and you know, in kind of observing different things and understanding the history it's kind of like. I think that, like visiting other countries is kind of similar to talking toe like a a really drunk angry guy, like if you're talking to a drunk angry guy in your life. I understand you, I understand that, like for four hundred years, the English didn't, let you make cheese like the drunk angry guys,

yeah. Thank you for understanding. That dear I mean and that's you know, they're not asking for it, but it's fun. So you mostly just write down, notes and then work those notes out on out on stage. Yes, some of it. It's you know like when I was in Ireland and I I enter Donegal, which I love and they what is Donegal it's county in the northwestern part of the republic. That should be part of Northern Ireland, but it was so catholic that the British, really even with the you guys, can keep that one like its way up there and it's kind of relatively isolated. So there's there's not american Taurus. It's really

kind of just people that live there and I spend a week and then I did a show in Letterkenny and um and I kind of was like picking on them. But it was not. You know not the roasting form, but it was just you know cause it's all gale talk, you know like they speak Gaelic. That's so weird was that sound like it sounds nothing like English. It's it's really weird because it's you know you have some english sounds in it not really well, they'll, be english word that they'll, just they add a sheen to the end of an english word. They're like oh, you have to go to the airport ish ing in your leg, but I can barely under it's kind of like the Scottish. I can barely understand when they're speaking English, but I loved it Northern Ireland's very interesting in that right. I was in north and I was in Belfast and listening to people that were drunk talk. You might as well been on another planet well by the way, those

the british Isles, including the Republic of Ireland. There is something so tribal there like there's something really interesting as an American that you know we have this cute notion of like I am I rash. I think hey I drink too much. Where is like the the Irish and the English and the Scottish in the Welsh, there is something that. Is there it kind of comes out at one thousand one hundred o'clock at night? You, like you'll, see a different side like I was at this. I was at this House Party Donegal. The next day I ran into the guy goes, and there was probably ten adults. There is your gym. We drank twenty nine glasses, twenty one, nine bottles of wine, I'm like what twenty, and I know that I maybe drink one of 'em, but not, I don't think all the adults.

Thank you by the way in Ireland, not everyone drinks, it's just the people that do drink really do it it so there's like. I think someone told me the percentage of you. No Irish, that drink is smaller than the rest of Europe, but the percentage that do drink and um. I can't even matter, was remember what I was going to say, but it's just I could talk about Ireland forever, 'cause, it's so fast, but around one around eleven o'clock at night. There's something that happens and by the way this guy was not drunk. But I was at this concept for this dinner party and the kids are. Everyone has five kids, so there's like five kids, there's four hundred kids in the back yard, and this guys just railing into me he's like he's. Like your you know, the media is already decided that it's Kamela Harris. How can you decide? I'm like wait, a minute, I'm like. First of all, what are you talking about and he just consumes. He

doing all this research on this guy. You know, but he's convinced he goes. It's camel Harris. The media, big big brothers have decided, it's Camel Harris and I'm like wow and it's just fascinating, but it's. How did they know? We don't know a fucking goddamn thing about their people, the some of it is and by the way people were kind of. How do you know this and some of it, but I bring that up because there was behind it. Was this tribalism kind of like this um, you know, and obviously the Irish very different than the English. But there was something about this. That was you you. You see it a little bit. You know with southerners southerners that are kind of like we're to give you hell kind of thing, but like and I've seen it you see it in England all the time like eleven o'clock, you like what happened to like Hugh Grant.

You know it's just like a different world once they abandoned all the niceties you get to see who they really with a couple of pints him. It's super authentic, but it's also like that culture, and I know that you're the but like the whole like, oh you know, it would be fun- is to go out and drink a bunch of points and then we'll get in a fight. Like TIM see, that sounds horrible, but you would like that. Wouldn't you? No! No! I'm not interested in bar fights these terrible idea how people die. People get crippled. People do that, all the time I saw Andy Dickens unconscious. Did you see that yeah? I just saw that video. He got really fucked up I'll, send it. I hope, he's alright he's. Definitely not alright he's a frail little fella you gotta get outta here

I d'oh. Oh there's a car waiting for you. I was wondering what I have a meeting. What do you happen? What's going on you're a fucking moving around a shaker you're, a player out here in Hollywood? No, I'm not at all, but, like I have this meeting of you know for a tv show it's a sir meeting, but it is you will last quite a lot about you. Do you do you? Would you is it hard for you to balance, because I know you've done a lot of acting gigs. Yet I know you love stand up. Is it hard for you to? Finally, the time balance, it's it's different, because I love stand up. I am a stand up. It's something that I'll have to do. I'm sure it's the same with you, it's like you're, going to do it until you die right. I think what people like, I can't believe Seinfeld went back to stand up. I'm like, of course, he did, is a comedian, but the act thing is something that I love, but I don't view it as an income source Eve that the live view it as it's it's it's

something that and by the way, you're a good actor. Thank you. I love it. I love playing a character. I love playing a bad guy. I love kind that seems fun justifying you know. Every actor wants to play someone flawed, but I love playing these people that you don't have any sense of doubt while you're doing something in a scene like you like. This is all I can do, and afterwards I love the moment when you're at craft service and there's somebody that looks at you like the character they're. Like you know, I mean I usually I used to play it a lot of nerd, so people would be like dismissive of me and annoyed that I'm like look, I'm not the character, but I love it when I'm playing someone who's kind of doing something, maniacal and people like. Why would you do that? I'm just playing a guy that would connect some, I'm not going to kidnap you. I enjoy that kind of stuff, but I just I do too many things as it is, so I've kind of sworn off all acting really

bandit a couple years ago. What if it was the perfect role, I mean it's, it's highly inefficient, but I just think it's so fun like I sent you that link the movie, and I want you to watch it because I think if you watch it you're going to go. Oh I get it. Oh, I do get it I get it. I just can't do it, but it's like that, like I remember that was like three weeks. Never in on weekends I had shows it was really inefficient. It was all night shoots. It was utter in Hannity, but you're happy with the result, but that's one of those. Where worked, I think also it's more experienced in life in general that I think enhances your stand up and I think it's difficult for us to look at it that way, but I think the more different things you do, the more different experiences that you have, the more your perspective gets enhanced. Yeah, there's, there's moments that are almost parallel. That you know obviously, is a comedian. We love the laughs and we love kind of creating changing someone's move

and similar toe. You know alleviating the attention and stand up in acting like sitting in that tension and just kind of twisting a knife in the audience, it's kind of exhilarating and something unique that yeah I'm only going to get an acting. Yes yeah Jim Gaffigan you're about my the fucker. Please tell everybody when your new special drops Friday this Friday, I think the the 16th. What is today Wednesday? Yes, you have two days folks, two days two days, but they can add it to their watch. But next time you go to Amazon to buy your paper towels your socks just check it out, check it out. Bitches. Thank you about pleasure. Thank you thanks for nicotine gum too now I'm thank you friends for tune into the show. Thank you, Jim Gaffigan, and thank you to our sponsors. Thank you too. Four Sigmatic Delicia's and nutritious mushroom

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