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give it up for my friend Angela, the Joe Rogan experience join my day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day mexican that easy on easy yeah, we did say very much interesting before starting. No, we were starting and then you just said shut. The fuck said hold that top things concept of things getting better and we were talking about war war being too, this is a world war, two helmet that she against the machine is the gentleman's name he's made me another sculpture and he started making sculptures out of. Ah these world war, two helmets with ah lamp, underneath it in an actual real world war, two pain and as well, and you you're saying or is a terrible idea. It is going away, you think, really yeah really really fast, and you mention pinker yeah. That's you know everything I will say is redundant to pinker. I mean that better

angels of our nature is one of I think, the most subversive books of our time. You know people are there's such a it's a fetish to suffer it's a fetish to say how bad things are, people getting really off on it and when you start saying you know after you say, one death by violence is too many and we got clean up the environment, and then it is that you say all that stuff and it's all true, but you can also take a breath and say things are getting better yeah. I think we need to recognize that, and the problem is there is there is violence? There is horrible things. There are horrible things in the world, they still exist and now they're magnified because of the fact that we have this ability to look at it on your phone anytime. You want to look at it on your computer. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. I think calories in information are identical for millions

billion years, the biggest problem every living thing had was too few calories and then for what maybe seventy five years, a very small percentage of the animals in the world had this problem of too many calories and there's no nothing that prepares anybody for that. We now have more information in one issue of the New York Times that a seventeenth century present would have had in their entire life. So we have this glut of information that we're thing with about as well as we dealt with calories. I talked about this quite often, but the way I describe it is diet and that most people have a poor diet and then most people's diet is not nutritious were, and if you have a poor diet, that's not nutritious. Your body becomes unhealthy. Well, if you have a poor mental diet and I've discovered many people who do we talk about this with like three or four p,

but we've been talking about this like taking in information, you should almost think of it as a mental diet, because if you take in bad information all the time, the negative information- I will speak for myself, but I don't think I'm in any way alone. I often forget where I read stuff, really careful to not read too much garbage yeah it just pops up in my head is: oh, that's real know, so I try to go with new sources that I think are pretty reliable. Even if I disagree with them, I try to read the times 'cause. I know there's a lot how much they're going to lie all we know where the parameters of their lying there. You know yeah, I know where they do the spin and if you just just pop around the web at random, you can't tell what what kind of information you're getting, but I also want to add to this. You know it's. It's is exactly the way I feel about drugs. You know as much as I want to say: this is not right. For me,

information has to be out there in all information, absolutely no gatekeepers. You know I really great, and I think that we're coming very close to a time where technology allows us to understand. What's true and what's not true, we're not there yet, but I think we're we're really close to being able have some sort of an ability to read minds to decipher information like real. We clearly, but the problem with reading minds, if we could do it to ascertain truth is truth is very different from what someone believes. Yes, you know. If you had a pet perfect lie detector. It would not help you with criminality at all 'cause. You know, people that think they're innocent very well think they're innocent, even if they are not sure sure yeah. That's a really good point, and you know another really good point. His memory is very fallible. Well, yeah see I you know I get a lot of. I got a lot of shit for this and I talked about it a little bit on my podcast but um. You know I

who is in the room would trump a lot. You know I did two tours. I did two tours of duty. Tell it tell me about that. What is that like 'cause? I was supposed that show and I passed on it yeah I was like I don't want to live in New York for three months or whatever it was. You just seem like a it's wise. Either way it was a. It was a prime time, television show so it's sold tickets, and that is our job and that's what we do and I went on with one idea in my head. You know Annie, Duke you know the poker player she been on the year before, and I said why am I going on, I mean I know I'm going to sell tickets and that's that's just a done deal, but where am I going on? What's my real goal when she said go on and show that atheists can be kind. That'll be your only goal for the whole show because they're going to Joe Bonnie for being atheist, they'll jump all over you for that, and just show that you're, the one that gets mad, the least so the one that

you're the nicest guy on there and you're the hardcore atheist- and I went ok, that's a good goal, but then you sit in the room another. How will you know the President United? I don't want to know him at all, but you spend about. Two or three hours every other day sitting in a room across the table like this with the table, you can put your hands on like angry hands because it might mar it into that solera to hand. They literally tell you, don't put your hands on the table and you have to sit up straight and the camera. If you're like the team captain which, by the way they hated, if you call them team captain they like to have it, you know some sort of business jargon and you're in you're in a set, and that's the thing that everybody else on the show would say we're going into the boardroom. Now, when I'd say no we're going on to the board room set,

so it wasn't really bored with no, of course not. None of it is really sound stage. It was you know it was in the trump towers, but they've taken over a floor and NBC got sit and puts up this shit. And then you get your camera that your hero camera. That's over your older that shooting trump. So you can't lean into the camp right and they want a little piece used. You can't lean out of the camera so that you've got about two hours where you sit up straight and you can't move side to side and you can put your hands on the table. You listen to. Someone speak for two hours that they're going to try to edit out to get three minutes where he sounds. Ok, okay, does he have to save two hours? He taught he would talk. I mean things obviously have changed, but he would talk about. I was reading this blog on the internet. That said, I didn't sell my property for enough and I bought it for three

one million dollars and I sold it for four million. Isn't that a profit? Isn't that a profit? What do you think is that a profit yeah that would be a million dollars profit? Well, they said I sold it for two less than two little okay. Who was this if somebody on the internet? Ok, so you know would be arguing in front of us with perhaps a eighteen year old guy on the internet, who thought tunnel Trump should have made more from a real estate deal, and this is something he really concentrates on. He seems to still to this day, yeah obsessed with what anybody says about him anytime. It's so odd, and I thought- and I want to say this very clearly. I thought he was wonderful at his job. You know if you had someone who is actually a business person on that show, be the worst show in the world, because Bill gates would make proper decisions

right. It would be no surprises. You want someone capricious and crazy with no filter. That's what you want right and that's what we got so we've makes arbitrary decisions that you try. You know the human brain tries desperately to make those makes sense, and that ends up being kind of entertainment and why actually actually Donald Trump Junior said to me you of all the people we've on the show. You seem like the only person who's ever liked, my father. He said you actually seem to like them, and I said you know I have a fascination and to respect and a affection for people who are able to get out of their filters, and I said some people do that with pure genius, like Bob Dylan, some people do it with bravery like Lenny Bruce some people do it with drugs. You know Neil Young, perhaps Jimi, Hendrix. Perhaps

and most people do it with a mixture of stuff. But I said felonious monk said the genius is the one who is most like himself and I say, and with some sort of mental problems coupled with greed and uh lack of compassion. Your father has somehow found a way to throw off the filters, and I will listen to tiny TIM talk on tape for hours, because I like that little bit, avast burgers and all that other stuff, I'm not assuming I'm not qualified to. But I'm saying that society is awesome. I can hear him talk forever. I can listen to Lenny Bruce, you know how will their has those hundreds hours of him? Just ranting on his tape, I think I don't like people on drugs that much but boy I do, and I listen to Lenny Bruce talk forever and Donald Trump had the dark side of that. You know

most like when I was hitchhiking around the country and homeless and shit and you'd end up in a biker place, and you know some house and some guys just holding court ranting. I've always uninterested in the people who were out on the margins. You know and what what Donald Jr um took as affection, like guess, was a bit of affection, but it's also that if you have thrown off some filters, I'll, listen to you talk, and so that was that that it was very, very strange and then I really did spend a lot of time kind of sticking up for Donald Trump, saying yeah there interesting stuff there and yeah he's crazy and his venal and he's empty. You know we really weird stuff that you've never seen before. You have never ever seen, someone who is never laugh sincerely and never made a joke, never laughs.

No, he will. He will laugh in a bully way. You look kinda fat, Joe yeah he'll, do that, but he won't laugh at himself. No and also, but never a even a joke. It says censor mean things on Twitter. Did you see the thing he did twitter? The other day we put a picture of Trump Tower in Greenland and he said I promise not to do this yeah I mean I left that was funny giant trump Tower in the middle of Greenland. I never saw it talk about, but we have some person. I never saw it in person. I also never saw him showing enjoyment or understanding of music. Those two things are two things that I connect with people very much on. I do two, but one of my best friends, Doug Stanhope does not like music, oh yeah yeah. I know I got fucking hate music and tell his father really tell his father did like music. I mean I don't know in and aggressively did like music yeah. I don't know what that is, but I do

know that I don't. I don't believe that we see things the same way like. I don't think we these things the same way, which is why some people enjoy certain kinds of food and some people hate those exact same foods that some people, the music, sounds diff in terms of like what their emotional and psychological makeup is and what it does to them. Some people don't want to have none of it and that stand out when I lossed all that weight loss over one hundred pounds actually- and I read a lot and also more importantly, four years and kept it off but uh when I was reading about taste. I read this book and I know it's awful that I can't bring up the name but um, a woman wrote this wonderful book about Frances and food and she was trying to set up a dichotomy. Let's talk to those people who think there's a natural taste and desire and food and those that think, it's all environment, what you memory and so on, and

we just can't find scientists on the other side. All of our food preferences are habit and there's nothing else. Habit. It's just happen. Is that proven? How can they seems to be lots of studies with young children, lots of studies with people who they control? But how do you make? How does makes sense when you have two kids that have radically different tastes? They grew up in the same household and the of Essentia Lee like very, very similar food experiences yeah. Well, I don't know now they tease out that, but I have one daughter, one daughter who loves spicy food she's young, which is nine, and I love spicy food, and I mean this fucking kid can eat Holly. She knows she eats habanero, sauce she'll like I'll, say this one might be a little too hard for you just like. Let me try it and she like dipper finger and she's like put it on she, chicken with habanero sauce but she's a little savage. My other one doesn't want to have nothing to do with it. She did she thinks everything is too hot, like a little bit of pepper she's like

it's too hot, but you know I I found when my when I, when I changed my diet, so radically that my comfort foods changed and my habits changed. Why my wife Chino a lot of that is because of gut bacteria. I know that oh yeah, Microbiome, fascinating, really fascinating, stuff and feeding back to your brain. You know that was the thing that was so so so, including your emotions, yes very much so, but when I became plant based vegan for health reasons, I wrote in my book. I wrote a lot of stuff about. I am an unethical vegan, I'm doing this for any sort of animal, any sort of animal lack of little cruelty, nothing strictly health! That's why I'm doing the plants and is- and this has happened to a lot of friends of mine who changed that, after whatever it takes, people are guessing like three months for months of of no animal product.

Those little critters eating shit in your in your guts die that, like the meat stuff and they're not giving that feedback loop just found a real emotional change world. All of a sudden I went, I don't want to be part of that of the suffering yeah. It was really strange how that changed, and it really felt to me. I've so want to, I, you know hard core atheist, as you know, and I don't believe in a mind body separation at all, and yet I seem to believe that when I was three hundred and fifty that none of that affected emotion and then I lost all this weight and found there were so many changes in me. That seemed to be intellectual and emotional,

and actually I had a lot of evidence were physical. Well, there's a lot of people me up on the mind body separation should fuck you up, because a lot of people make these assumptions that you know you are they're, not your body and a lot of very intelligent people. They issue working out and they don't want to exercise and they find it like. It's a van any saying it. It seems you go to stir goal they they, don't they don't like it, and so they put it in this category of kind of knucklehead, dumb things to do your body and your mind are all in the same house all the same thing. If your house is filled with it doesn't help, and it was saying so amazing how I I mean. I completely believe that, and yet I wasn't living that. I was like thinking that I was living this. You know two thousand roll. The idea of little homunculus is kind of living inside me who's this pure pen, and then the body is just the the

pull its driving around well. If I'm actually not true help you with that, I think knowing you as long as I've known you, you are an intense thinker and your mind is something you mean. You cherish your thoughts and you you and embrace them, and you're you're a very intelligent guy, and I think you just probably rejected the idea that there is anything outside of the mind that had any influence on yeah. We also talk about this. I was also you know. I was the biggest guy ever go through my school, so my my small high school in western Massachusetts, you know so I was I was six seven and they want to be center of the basketball team. They won all the stuff and those kinds of people and that kind of culture. You know I wanted to listen to music. I wanted to read, and I set up this- you guys were physical. I don't thank you, I'm on a different. You know and my dislike of copper actions in teams became a team thing. Yeah yeah,

I think you always get stuck in the dislike of teams, becomes your team and I'm trying so hard now to think I have two choices: one or seven billion, and there's no teams between that. I can either be myself or I can be one of all humanity or, I won't even say, seven billion. Let's say one hundred and eight billion the number of people who have lived in history. You know those are the people could be it's. Why I'm trying to not- and this is a possible to do by the way I'm talking about how I'm explained- I'm driving myself crazy, I'm not giving you real information, I'm trying to not think ever of us and them, but I'm trying to say those of us who voted for Trump. Those of I still believe this, so it's always us because man, I'm so fucking, sick of teams and even look back and go. You know I love the velvet underground, I hated the fucking Eagles

and that was a fucking team and that was manipulated at forced upon. You know I wanted to be the kind of guy that went from you know: Zappa Velvet, underground Bob Dylan. That was all okay in the eagles and the do we brothers there, not what I listen to I'm just trying to let that go yeah. You want to be one of the cool kids yeah, exactly yeah, and what ever you want that you got to say. Well, you know one of the cool kids. That's a hundred. A billion have lived on this planet yeah. It's a great way to look at things, and I think I wish people taught that in school, the dangers of being involved in teams because we get in and teams in terms of like you know you playing basketball or whatever, but but teams in terms of like what what I believe versus what you believe- and I think we're experiencing that politically right now, with the most polarizing time in my life

that ever ever said worldwide worldwide, yes, worldwide, it is not an american things and it's just insane, and I also know that's why I said you, so I try to go with the velvet underground the Eagles, because that's where I can. We see where I am wrong. Yeah. You know that I'm wrong. How do you deny victim of love? That's a great okay wants to go out in the mix, the Eagles change that all people have to recognize. It was in the middle of the China Sea with Joe Walsh, through a through a series of all odd coincidences. Well, what do? Just last year we got this gig Paul Allen, who is one of the you're, a great guy right and he great things but books us to be on a cruise to do a chauffeurs. France got like two hundred friends and he's bought this fucking cruise ship is rented. This fucking cruise ship thrown off

all the chefs and everything bring on his own people and they're going to go from from Kobe to Shanghai, and he wants the entertainement to be Jay, Leno, Penn and Teller and Ringo Starr whoa. Ok, that's what it's going to be on the China Sea on a cruise boat for like two hundred people and he books it and I said to my friend Piff the MAGIC dragon I said: do you know how much it costs to shut down and and teller in Vegas and fly assault all fucking Japan to be on a cruise ship to do a fuck, Penn and teller show and then come back to the idea? How much that costs and pick said no- and I said me neither, but it must be a lot. You gotta talk to my managers or something 'cause. That must be a shit ton of money, so he books this whole thing and then Paul Allen dies.

You know Glenn, who you met up there, the long suffering, the one who who are manager. He calls up after few days and says really sorry for your loss and we'll trade in the tickets and get you the money back and we we can probably rebook those. Those weeks was not going to cost anything, and so sorry, but we don't know we're still doing it and one goes. We used to work with the person, the book to assist, we're still doing this gig and they go yeah. Okay and I said to Glenn, you know now that we could work for dead people arcari. This is going to take off. You know, 'cause that opens up the market right right, so turns out his friends. You know Paul Allen's, friends are people like Joe Walsh and Billy Gibbons, and all these food scientists and all these great people, so there I am in the middle

of the China Sea, with the with Joe Walsh on stage each just at three in the morning playing piano for like fifteen people, and you know saying desperado and those kinds of things talking to Joe Walsh and stuff and going now. Why exactly was on a different team from Joe? Why exactly was I on the Lou Reed team instead of the Joe Walsh team? Maybe was the big Lebowski influenced you baby baby baby was there, but it's just it's just trying to be more and more inclusive is just really difficult thing to it is in which the shocks in the music guys or all that stuff. Just everybody, be everybody. You become a prisoner of those thoughts and those things you espouse like when you start saying: fuck the Eagles, like you're stuck you're, stuck with fuck the eagles and then, when you start to realize that you know when the clash hitting in the? U S, there were

people sitting around a board room going. How do we get twenty year old assholes to buy this shit? It was all being done and laid out and that's fine, that's their job. That's great and God bless him, but I got to be aware that they're doing that yeah, I you know when you think about someone selling sex pistols, merchandise just like well, there's sex pistol, slow, sorry crystal slot machine. When I was first of the hard rock you know and there's a big sign. The only notes that really count are the ones that come in wads and that's over the door of a casino so that you're walking in and then there's a Sid vicious slot machine. You go: ok, ok, so this is satires debt. We can know how to do satire. That's over! Let's hard! Yes, at times it's done! Well, I never Wayne. I today it's really hard because there's so many people that are serious that are more ridiculous and satire there. The guy who I don't know his real name but is twitter name, is Tatiana Mcgrath and he play

like the most woke person in all of twitter and I've re tweet his stuff for her stuff, the pseudonym all the time and people get fat. Curious, they're, like oh, my God, is this fucking person serious like this is bullshit and my kids parity and the like. Oh ok, I get it might get that close. It's that close to being a real person, but not close. We've already crossed over you'd. Absolutely there's no way to tell so there's no way to tell with woke people with the woke you there's no way in Hell with it with any. With far right is well yeah, yeah yeah! I don't want to tell with any of us he's a sobering room. Never ever ever light satire. I never ever like parity people. I was reading Onion national Lampoon, yeah yeah. Ok come on how about that is how to turn around fast enough for you to onion. It's too good when the onion did the headline when Steve Jobs died, which said our nation mourns the loss.

The last person to do what the fuck he was doing. I would say that that's perfect, but you know I saw that poster you have up. You have up here in Europe which the Lenny Bruce with tears, so yeah yeah and you know the idea of walking I mean I looked. I was I was whatever I was ten or eleven when Lenny Bruce died, and but you know I I didn't ever hear him until after he was dead and you're younger than me. So even more so for you, but I I did not go to college, but I I would hitchhike up to the college. It was nearby when I was in high school, which was U Mass and all that and emeralds, and

I'm from a little dead factory town north of There- and I remember, seeing Lenny Bruce without tears. They showed that as a film and why, on the college, campus wow, I think I'm remembering this right. Like we know our memories are wrong, but I saw the film very early and it was completely life changing. For me. You know the idea that stand up comedy was going to go from what to me. Was the smothers brothers uh to um to somebody actually talking from their heart in a way that made people laugh but who cared and of course, then Andy Kaufman turns that entirely inside out, but the idea that that form was created. You know um created here in the: U S when you went from being a

you know, park carcass, you know, Albert Brooks is Father, doing the greek dialect and even throw in AMOS and Andy and all of those people that did joke joke, jokes and character stuff and then all of a sudden, a guy coming out as himself and talking about his real life is just mind blowing, and so the idea that, instead of doing parody, being able to get your laughs stating what you believe- and maybe that means people are laughing at you- and maybe that's ok, it's definitely ok, but I don't think there's anything wrong with any way to do it. I think there's nothing wrong with Abbott and Costello. You know I mean it's. I was having to talk with Gilbert. You know give her God straight, and we were talking. He said you know in in the in Laurel and hardy Stan Laurel was the brains and then three stooges MOE was the brains and in the Marx Brothers Groucho was the brains and ah

and Costello had no brains. You know that total you want to talk about the stooges big anarchy. The Abbott Costello are just completely off the map. Yeah. Just really for the time, though, was groundbreaking. It's hard for us to rapper head around, as was Cheech and Chong. You know, teaching Chong for the time was groundbreaking. I know it has to do with drugs and yeah me. I I I was on a different team if that yeah, but I've gone back in that stuff is good in the course, but I'm also a lawyer, because I was crazy for fire sign theater in memorizing. Everything and Phil Proctor is still up a good friend of mine, and that was very much draw base. I think that comedy is like music and that there's a whole bunch of different ways to do it. You know, and if you were a big fan of Bruce Springsteen and you went to see, Bruce Springs

but run DMC showed up instead, you'd be furious. You like what the fuck is this, but obviously people love run DMC. It's a different way to do a thing. It's a different way to express your and and and and a wayto learn yeah no way to learn when you get when you get pushed either, but it's just ah uh that that whole idea that you've cut to this I mean my life- is so heavily affected buy drugs. Even though had this whole, you know I'm not going to do any drugs, you have the decision, you know I don't know, I don't know. That's all we saw in I've talked about this, I'm a podcast forever. You know, I told you now. Was it cold enough? I'm sixty four years old and you have no experience with drugs other than that on occasion medications, surgery, charming. But yes, I have I've had a deep enough injuries that I have x

just keep getting surgery because you have drugs. You know: Trey Parker said that my big flaw was never having been high fix that so I don't know what he did fix that I would infer dent surgery, our series, dental surgery and they fucked up and the the dentist. I told the nurse what he had given me in terms of painkillers and she took that as what she was supposed to give me so instantly doubled the those- and I was so fucking high in out of my mind, and I that way- and I told my wife through my days of not knowing who I was called trade bar

Drake- came to Vegas and said I want to sit with Penn High, and so he flew immediately while you're fucked up, oh my god. How long would it take me to get to you? It was planning on being there like. He came like a day early. He got he got there like. I was still high and trace said I don't remember anything and trace out the next day. I was right. You should be high, there's different kinds of high, just like there's different kinds of music, and you know I was very. I was very, very close to Lou Reed and I was a very good friend of mine in lieu said speaking on behalf of the people of earth, which I often do. We don't want to see how I mother fucker, don't so LU, says no traces. She, yes, what is Joe say well Joe. This is interesting because I wanted to talk to you about this 'cause. We had a conversation along time ago about this, and you said- and I remember very clearly- I may paraphrase this, but you said I think, we've

turned all there is to know, and I don't need to do it. Yes, I said that and I was wrong just wrong. I think you should experience psychedelics ' 'cause. I think psychedelics are totally different things. They don't take you. We know SAM Harris Sure in SAM Harris is the one who got me meditating awesome, which took him years of arguing with me, and now it's been three or four years that I have not missed a day, not Mister day. You have a problem. Here is one of the problems you're very Intel. You you're also very large and are very articulate and people like to hear you talk, so you just can talk and you can take over. You could overrun things and you can make an argument that we'll just go all right. Ok when they step back and that's good, if you're trying to win an argument, but sometimes it's bad to take and ideas, and I remember when I had that conference exactly right. Thank you. When I had that conversation with you remember saying I'm going to revisit this someday in one day,

I want to get pen fucked up on mushrooms. That's what I remember. Thinking like it might be a good thing for well. The best thing, for you would be something that doesn't take very long. Just so you can exploit. Dmt is the best one because it takes like fifteen minutes and it's over and then your body brings it back to baseline almost immediately so you literally travel to another dimension and then your back and you don't worry about any overdosing, because it's an endogenous chemical, your body knows exactly what to do it. So one of the quickest chemicals that your body can breakdown and bring back to baseline. In my defense from the very beginning of my not doing drugs, which is an odd kind of baseline there there I always left the door open for for psychedelics and what I what I dislike, the most was wine with dinner. Really I dislike the most social kind of lubrication,

fine, with dinners amazing doing this in past tense. You know, that's right! That's right! That's why I always was, and I always left open the possibility of some of the more intense stuff wine with dinner is a delicious drug. It's one of the rare delicious drugs like I like whiskey, but, let's be honest, it taste like shit. It's weird you're drinking this time who, like it's, got kind of a good flavor, but it's like it's harsh. You can't drink it like it can't fuck with Kool aid. Kool aid is way better than eight cheap. He does fix it up. It says delicious, it's way better tasting, but you know wine as a delicious taste. You can enjoy here's my problem, one of my many problems, will detail more than one, but I have no skill at moderation. I'm sixty four years old and I've never been able to do anything with moderation. So I think if you told me

we're going to do acid for the rest of our lives every single day. You could make that argument the eye here. For me, that's hard, like I said, but I said I was meditated. I haven't missed a day. Maybe you should micro. Does baby we'll give you a little right now, just spray you do. My credo sees how well I could do it now now. I want to think about it a little bit before. Well, that would be pretty boss. I wake up in the box. You get the box right. There in a box right here, so how often do you all I was going to? I was going to answer that question. I have a zillion answers to why I've never done drugs and summer. Of course, true 'cause. We don't have access to that stuff that we really do, but my parents and my whole family in back generations teetotalers. So there was never alcohol in the house. Never I never saw my parents take a drink when it was on

tv. It was a totally different thing. It just didn't happen. I did they never preached about it. They never said don't drink, they never said, don't do drugs, it just never was in the house, and that statistically has a huge effect on people and and the first people I fell madly in love with you know a Lenny, Bruce Jimi Hendrix. They had been, in my mind, killed by trucks and, I kind of said people would that have this kind of personality when they get the drugs, they sometimes have trouble, and I think that maybe being nineteen years old and trying to get into show business that may being the sober one allowed the dumber try to do a little better. You know is everybody kind of get out of my way? Is there were fucked up some of the time I could get other stuff done, and then that starts reinforcing. Let me no longer be valid. Well, there are dry, mean I've, never done coke and one of

that's why I never did cocaine. I've talked about this many times my friend growing up his cousin used to sell it, and I watched his life fall apart. They were just doing coke all the time and lost a lot of weight and looks like a vampire was very strange. It's hung out in their attic apartment is right. Really weird E. Remember thinking FUCK Coke, it's like like a guy, I know, got bit by a monster. You know was infected with some yeah the people that people that I've met on coke, not pleasant, not good. It's not. I don't, and I think that's also. You know one of the accusations against Trump but he's on some sort of speed. You know, which is why he's so inexhaustible you know and also why he has this inability to be affected by criticism in terms of like he doesn't sure. If Lexion, no, shame, no, shame, no self reflection, and that's thing, that is a symptom of people that are on speed. You know- and this is the adderall generation that we're living in God, damn there's so many fucking p that are on Adderall. I mean it's, so it's so god damn comment. You know I was having this conversation the other day.

Someone was telling me about this guy. They know who's really brilliant, but he won't stop. He's got ADHD and you know we just can't stop, but he won't stop talking and this that I'm waiting I'm just waiting. While this person is talking to me, I go he's on adderall and they go yeah. He is it's a medication. I go under the fucking speed that guys on speed. Then you can call it a medication 'cause, you can buy it at the pharmacy, but that fucking guys speed all day long every day and there is a giant number of people in this country that are medicated and that are on speed all the time. That's a great Andy, Warhol quote, which was in the sixties. We thought were getting to know people, but we were getting. You know drugs. You know there. There is definitely there is definitely a personality type that we think is individual, but actually does seem to have Italian, which fuck Adderal mindset. There's a speed mindset and it's a go. Go: go, get everything done more bigger, faster,

like shit, I'm the fucking man, I'm the fucking man like that speed mindset. It's a Dane his mind, set it's a real weird one, and it's not one that lasted itself. It's not one that self deprecate sits. All me me me me me, I'm the and that's what you get out of Trump. I mean this. Is I mean? There's a guy was in a journalist who wrote a story about how he knows there Duane Reade Pharmacy in Manhattan, where Trump is getting diet, pills way back in the day, we're supposed to take like six weeks. He took it for years, and this guy is saying like this is what you're dealing with like many people have called the Adderall president like this is absolute totally, could be that he's on something that, although we're talking about this whole time, is just speed, yeah yeah, I mean it, gives the energy to to look remember when he was running for president, how the fuck is this guy, not tired. I get tired tour induce stand up. I do stand up it's an hour,

ten minutes of my own routine, that I wrote myself I'm hanging out with friends. I do two shows an item. I wou, this motherfucker storing flying are in chats all over the country just in exhausted. Just no fucking script just goes on stage in front of everybody, just ranting and raving about child on the economy and build wall and well we're going to Ohio and then off to the jetty. In Kentucky Fried chicken and looking for as an ohio- and he does it again- I mean who the fuck at seventy has that kind of energy people on speed. I don't know if true, I might be wrong. I might be wrong, but it seems like it. It seems like all the pieces are in place and there was a psychologist, an analysis of all the various cycle, tickle traits that people who are on amphetamines have- and they compared it to Trump and, like all from megalomania all over the various psychological characteristics, inability to accept criticism. You know this thinking that everyone's against against them, the delusions of

grandeur. All these different thing was there was a guy on on as the apprentice who talked about him him doing these these kind of drug. There was a new story. It was like a like an intern that we weren't going to just kind faded away after that. But I it's a it's. It's a not a it's a ninety three Tom Arnold claims, Donald Trump snorted adderall on the apprentice. Okay will too, I know Tom he's crazy, love, you Tom, but I don't know maybe did but made Tom Arnold would say that he snorted trumped it snorted Coke just to piss trump off. He would say that just good, I'm fucking with him getting under his skin, maybe did so that all I don't know. I don't know why it doesn't seem like that. It's the kind of thing he would snort it seemed like. He would pretend that it was medicinal. I mean it's kind of medicinal here's the thing

it will allow you to get more things done. You know we had a guy in. He wrote a book on one hundred Thompson and one things were talking about was that he needs adderall right and I was going into it with him because one of the thing a dirty little secret about journalism, a trim. Then this amount of journalists are on adderall tremendous amount like an enormous amount, one of my friends who's pretty do we know how much adderall is going into the I say, that's a good question how many adderall prescriptions were made in two thousand and eighteen, let's just find that out, but my friend legit journalist for legit publication said you would be stunned and he goes because it's an enormous percentage of storage already they just started banging about to. I mean the like: they did with the with the Fenton, all the vets to children they just hang out after all under and what's the other one prozac, no, the other one they do for. I guess it in, for if for

attention to for Jeff is a disorder is another one of them. After all, his it'll just general, maybe Prozac adder, all my my no prozac pros are because they put my neighbors ten on Prozac was horrific teams low, sixteen million adults prescriptions were filled, sixteen million adults had prescriptions filled, yeah, that's locales abuse it, which seems low, also, so sixty million yeah. What is it like? Three percent yeah yeah? That seems low lesson. Four four percent- some might not yeah some for it. That was last year. The two thousand and twelve is the last two thousand and twelve frankenstein I do not know spongy, but that's a million years ago Bro showing up. Maybe that was true for two thousand and twelve. I think it probably was true for two thousand and twelve. I think we live in a whole new world. Now,

don't think it's anywhere near four percent of five percent, whatever the fuck, the real number is. I bet it's about ten. I bet it's ten percent of people in this country around at all. If I had to guess, I bet it's around thirty million. I bet it's around there yeah I'm not uh yeah. I wouldn't be shocked. I know a bunch of people are on it a bunch, and you know some people tell me they have to take it. That's what my favorite one is. I have to take it. I don't care. What happens you die? You disappear. What happens if you don't take it? It's fucking, speed man. You know and a lot of people that take it. They're not healthy, otherwise, like they're, not extra does not drinking a lot of water meditating there not eating healthy foods like what do you? Why do you need that like what, if you get rid of all that other stuff, like about the shitty food cut out, all the sugar start drinking water, no booze, let's get you exercise and three times a week. Let me see if you really need that adderall shit, how vitamins do you take? Do you take vitamins? Do you eat healthy? Are you drinking fruit, juice and vegetable? So you? What kind of to,

and so you take it into your system, man and you're wondering why you don't have any fucking enerji, so you just pour in jet fuel your tank light in the whole fucking thing on fire, but and the other hand is like things get done when you take speed, you know what we were talking about Hitler, the other day that why wouldn't she be? Why wouldn't we be we're talking about who were talking about? Was it with him? I don't remember, but we were talking about our Hitler. There was a time where Hitler had come back from something and we supposed to meet Mussolini and he was like physically exhausted, so his doctor injected with com nation of steroids in liquid cocaine, and he just just fucking filled with energies like give me another one and then the guy like. No, I can't give you another like fucking, give me another one and he gave me another one, and then he went to Mussolini and ranted at Mussolini. Just fucking talk to him for five hours and moosally.

We just never got a word in edgewise and apparently Mussolini's plan was to talk to Hitler. Hey man, ITALY wants to get the fuck out of this. We're not really interested in that, and it was like. Well, that's neat that doctors and just fucking going crazy for five, our sweating, like a pig because he was on King Coke. He was on coke and steroids. They just pumped him up with it. Maybe it's best stay away from some drugs. Yes, yes, but I mean it's amazing how much productivity gets done because of caffeine right now. What is caffeine. Caffeine is a very mild stimulant in terms of you know in compared to adderall or things along those lines, but it is a fucking truck and it's a drug. There is a God, Damn drug store, every corner, everyone's buying it it's in every gas station, everyone's ones, fueling up, gotta fuel- I mean you know, I I don't. I don't know a drink, decaffeinated coffee, which means I drink. Five percent of what you know I do. I condone rink, eight cups of coffee, and it makes

you just like the taste. I don't like the taste, but I like the social stuff. I like having a hot bitter thing in front of me. Once you have t I'd have to two yeah, my idol. I nervously I nervously drink habit like you know, like some people smoke, I like to have self sir, like to have decaf coffee, we're decaf tea or something yeah. I like cells are two. It makes me feel like I'm doing something rather than drinking water. You know like I like sparkling water, it's water with entertained. I like sparkling water with a little lime. Oh I gotta drink here or you know what you take decaffeinated espresso and then you pour carbonated water on top of that, and then you got bitter bubbley you're drinking a potion. You want that. You want a potion. Potion makes you feel like an adult, feel I can grow. This is Kool aid. This is an adult with exactly when you were non drinker of alcohol. You have to work very hard to look like you're drinking like an adult yeah, so you've never

with alcohol. No wine, no, nothing! Nothing! I mean tried. Okay. I know I'm talking to someone who pays attention, so you can say that there is alcohol in vanilla, there's, alcohol and things like that. Well, you can't say none, but none that I acted. I never! I never went to never went to to search searched out those goods. I never even accidentally. No one ever even you know fuck with me on that really! Well, that's good! That's about some rising yeah! That is rising. Given the circles you travel and I would imagine eventually someone would be like enough. Is enough get this guy fucked up to be funny. I have to be really funny yeah, it seems like someone, but that would have fit in someone's sense of humor some great war. Who knows this may be the day, no good. If you really want to say the word we'll open up the box of doom you're boxing, how often do you d'oh make a dog? Yes, I can do not that often couple times a year get like I mean we did mushrooms on a podcast couple months ago, but there was a

small dose, but the tank is my friend. You know. I tried that. Let's talk about the second century to have one right here I have one of your size I went in today, yeah. I went to one of these places where you pay x amount of money to go because my buddy TIM Jen Assembly in a movie called TIM's vermeer. We painted a vermeer in his garage and TIM was really into that I'll. Do anything TIM does I just I just loved him, and so I went and you know whatever you pay a few bucks in the you're going to float in the tank, and I was so ready. I have

this happens so much in my life. I get so ready for a major change in my life. The first time I wanted to become a vegan. I went out with a friend. This is like in one thousand nine hundred and ninety, and there was a guy, was making fun of brutally ripping the fuck. Apart for his stupid eating, you know that I said listen. I want to go out with you to a restaurant, just eat vegetables and I'm not going to interrupt you, I'm not going to make funny. You talk to me for three hours about all your Peter singer, stuff, all your f vegetarian stuff and you convert me. That's all I want you to do. That was the reason I went out. That was the reason I went out with them and I finished up the whole evening and I went you know I really respected your point of view until he stood it. Motherfucker talked me out of doing what I wanted to do, and so I get ready man would be with with the isolation tank. I said this will be good. Please tell me about this: I'm just going to go there. Sensory deprivation,

let my mind wander and I went in there. It was just salty and I was bumping against walls. Yeah yeah, you know it's. You need to get used to it. It's like in the meditation try meditating once you like, I could concentrate, have meditating once is usually yes yeah, it's how often you do the tank all the time. I used no you're, not you it now, no all times, but often we used to have it in my house and now I just have it here, but it's a very valuable tool: a new meditators well yeah. I meditate I like to meditate for shows I've been doing a lot more lately um, but the tank is a great place to meditate as well, because it's meditation paired that's meditation. Without any external stimulation climb climbing there and you followed, you follow breathing rules and stuff. You would do a normal kind of meditation. Do you do when you meditate, and do it again doing what I've been doing lately is. All I do is concentrate on my breath.

Things get in there, but I just say: breathe in breathe, out, breathe in breathe, out, breathe in breathe out, and I just concentrate on long slow, rhythmic breaths, and I get myself into this weird state, and you know this will come in. Are you going to fucking low front tire you gotta gotta get that filled. This is you need this year, specs and sticker in awe and those bullshit comes, and but I just pre, then pre that force it out before set out and after five or ten minutes of this I can get to a nice state or I can just keep doing it, keep doing it, but in the tank, it's very accentuated because in the tank I don't have to think about my in the seat my hands on the table. I don't think about anything. It's just I'm just lying there. What you're experiencing when you talk about bumping into the walls? That's just a technique thing when you, when you lie in it right you get in the tank first. Will you need a big tank you're, a giant guy, there's a

out of those little pods, those there's air, barely big enough for me. You know it's for a guy like you, you need a large one and you lie down on the tank and then you put your hands on one wall and you handled by the wall and you let the water still because going to be a lot of little ripples when you're floating, because you're so buoyant. There's one thousand Epson Epsom salts in there and you're floating and it's easy to just kind of bounce back and forth. So you put your hands here till they steady and then once the ripples kind of stopped and you slowly bring your hands down and then, when you slowly bring your hands down you do it really slow. So you know making any ripples and then lay there and then you could be in the exact same position for hours and that's that's how it's a technique just have to center. So how long do you do is or two hours is what I like to do and I'll do it power? If I'm in a rush- and I have a what a yeah I mean is

rush hour- if I can't spend anymore time than an hour, but I have a tape recorder, that's voice activated and it's velcro, and so I can stick it up inside the thing. So if I have an idea which I do sometimes sometimes have have this temptation I got to get out of here- I gotta write this down. I can just say it and the tape recorder pick and they been brilliant stuff. You said no, nothing. I never use it once. You haven't gotten out of the checking that satisfaction, though there's no, that Keith Richards Yang right at the when he went to sleep really. He had this of of sound activated recorder that he got by the side of the bed and his guitar and he went to sleep. One night woke up the next morning, they're on the two recorder Cordero. There was some voice activation in the night. He play it. It was satisfaction

friend we haven't got Matt yet no, I haven't had that. Yet my friend works at a school in Connecticut. Where is kids? Go or Keith Richards KIDS go and Keith Richards will ride on a bike to school, with a fucking bandana on an like. My friends like holy shit. That's key three! It's like he's just kind of hanging around with normal people, and he said it freaks you out. When you see him, you like what dot, fucking Keith Richards, he just hangs out. Just like you know, superstar Billy drifts into the real world and out just it's people out it's I mean I only met Keith Richards in groups of people happy that were really like bicycling in India, yeah, but still it's so it's so amazing, so real soon season, epic, human yeah. Yes, the voice, recorder things! No, that's why I haven't had the new it's a new idea that, because there's times that I did a solution to this team thing and the separation of

mark I'm giving more polarized, that's could be solved by Joe in the tank. At some point, we can count on that now that you, because I think we're going to solve it ourselves, I think we're going to solve it ourselves through just time I'd. Never, I think. That's we're getting back to pinker we're talking a pinker earlier that he gets so much for saying that things are better. Now than ever it doesn't dismiss it's horrific acts. It takes place or terrible things, and it doesn't say that the battle is over right. Now I mean this is one of the things that I would push in my little microcosm push for so hard in Penn and teller. You know

our teller in all right would have real trouble just crossing the finish line. I would just say to him: you don't tell it will be done five seasons of bullshit and it went well. Let's go out. The two of us have coffee and donuts and let's just say: well, we did that and then push ahead for the next thing, and I would just I just think that pinker is like that with me thinkers like saying you know, human beings we're doing okay, we don't okay, but does a really good things now, let's get back to work will most certainly doing better than ever before, and I think that's an accumulative thing. It's like. Yes, we don't blow everything came income which maybe, if we don't destroy the environment, if those two things, the two enormous ifs, we're in very good shape. They are the thing that blew my mind about pinker in that, in that book, better angels blew my mind is

uh. This is line. That's that been obsessing me with the cracker in teen angst. I don't know what the world may need, but I sure, as hell know, it starts with me and that's a wisdom. I've laughed at all this shit that I've laughed at. That turns out to be true for me now. It just makes me smile and fills me with joy. You know early part of the 20th century, all these authors and artists, and all these guys were saying Hemingway and step we're going to stop war by writing about war and writing about how bad it was and we're going to give empathy for other people and will understand this going to really with our art, make an effort to make humanity better. What a jack off bullshit thing to do. I think it could you imagine something more. That's just twiddling your dick then saying that

I'm going to do art, I'm going to write and it's going to change the Y poetry and then Pinker's book says why. Why is all this stuff get better so fast? We think it may be art apathy and it turns out that all this stuff were saying about. You know we can change. We can change how people see, warfare and how people see one in uh and that's what scares me so much about some people speak of, and I think it's because I don't understand it. Usually when I'm against something it means I don't understand it, but when they talk about cultural appropriation, cultural appropriation seems to me to be the greatest thing. You can possibly do to see the world through the eyes of someone who grew up differently than you even try to do that for even for us to pretend

right now to be a you know, white nationalist, even trying to do. That seems like it's a really good thing us to attend just to get into their head just to try to fantasize what it's like to be. For instance, a african american transgender man, if we try to do that, we're writing a piece of art and we try to see ourselves from that point of view. I'm not I'm not herself see the world from that point of view. That seems like nothing but healthy. It seems like that. Takes you out of your identification. Well, I think there's a lot of what we're calling culture appropriation. That is really people trying to tell other people what to do. This people enjoy telling people. They can't do that anymore and getting angry at those people they enjoy it. They enjoy pushing buttons people you give them a rock in a window. They want to throw that rock through the wind.

Is it a natural part of being a person? And if you see a girl with hoop earrings like take those hearings off those are for Latinos are there's over this, so those of in that mean it- and the argument is so often not even based historically like the hearing thing like fuck band Woody from Sumair, like that's the oldest hoop earring, that's all from Babylon. It's also what I don't know if this is. This is not pinker. This is now or Rory who who talks about when you're talking about cultural stuff? How far back you going, I mean there are no tomatoes in ITALY right sure you have to make those are not indigenous to ITALY. Pasta came from China, potatoes are from Ireland, they they don't start there. You know, so you have to keep going back. It was a great you know, Paul Simon could so much for Graceland. You know, and and and Dave

burn, get so much shit for stuff and there's his wonderful thing and David Byrne's book how music works, which is a fabulous book who he doesn't ever address this picking things from other cultures ever, but he talks very strongly about the african kinds of music and the influences they have from other places. You know 'cause, there is not. There is not a culture other than the whole world, especially not now you might be able to have made the argument. Two hundred years ago there were passed. The thing is, though, the p people enjoy cultures. So if that is the case, and everything does assimilate and becomes one big gray mass, where word we're going to lose indian food right or worry that we're going to lose, I have no worry of that at all. Now I have no worry 'cause. I think that me loving son raw, even though I'm not african American

and me loving, Lenny Bruce, even though I'm not urban and identifies jewish. I think that loving these kind of cultures should not be based on an accident of birth. The loving thing is one thing that I think the real fear of culture appropriation is that people will take on those things and their own. Like there's a gentleman, I'm trying remember his name, ah he's a famous mexican chef, but he's not mexican, but he cooks, mexican food. He cooks it in Chicago Walt Bayliss, is that his name, something Bayliss Rick Bayliss Rick Bayliss. He this guy has a gn undeniable passion for mexican cuisine. I mean he fucking loves it. He has a couple different restaurants, we cooks mexican food and he was getting protested and people were furious at him because they had just decided at one point if this guy's had, like you know a thirty fucking year, career

rear of being in love with mexican cuisine and being like a real historian of mexican cuisine. Workwear comes from the regions, the ingredients like where's, the best ingredients. Where is the best places to cook these things? How they do it? Why they did it this way and speaks with incredible passion about this? They were deciding that he's a white and you shouldn't shouldn't be able to do this shouldn't be able to sell this shouldn't, be able to like do you fucking assholes, like the is the guy he's helping everyone recognize the beauty of this much maligned food when you, when people think about mexican cuisine, he is one of the rare people in western culture that talks about it, like it's five star cuisine. So people talk about all. I love street tacos and fucking. I'm going to a big fan these ideas. Now this guys talking about the very best mexican cuisine in the world and trying to interpret that and sell it to people trying to turn people on to how good this food is and yet

who's taking so much shit when a person that wasn't born in that the accident of birth to be there falls in love with another culture. I don't see why that is, and more beautiful. Yes, yeah! That's that's that's what that's what I'm looking for that Steve! You took all yeah. He moved to Japan Master before he became kind of silly. He was the very first guys to ever teach Akido in a dojo in Japan that wasn't, japanese. I think he actually was. The first, I think, was the first American to ever run a dojo in Japan. So now, ok, giving me psychedelics is very easy. Compared to giving me to really dig Steven Segal have to dig. I mean, I'm not sure I do, although I do appreciate its first movie above the law, I appreciate what he he likes. Prepositions he's a silly fell, silly fella for sure many of us are sure, but what he did do is

he learned Aikido at a very, very high level like undeniably, and he was teaching in Japan. He spoke perfect, Japanese and it was a very rare guy. You know now you know became a Hollywood guy and movies and who knows what the fuck else and became enormous? You know physically got fat and you know he's kind of silly now, but at one point in time that guy was a legit is it gets? Isn't that always true between you? So you don't know what I'm gonna completely change the subject. If I miss you, you know I want to talk about when you came on. My radio show with Philip plate about talked about the moon, landing yeah, but what I, what I think is fascinating about this about clubs. Stuff, you know, is I you know. I and I know I've I've. I've read here in there that you you've you've gone back on a lot of bad, your conspiracy, stuff and some yeah, but that that's not that's what I can explain that to. I don't know what I'm talking about.

You know this is. This is the thing I have zero Astro physics: education, zero. I don't know anything about whether or not it's possible to put people in the moon. I do know fuck free and I do know teams- and I do I do understand what people are bullshitting people. I think there's a lot of that with with a lot of the NASA stuff, a lot of the older stuff. In particular, there was a lot of manipulation of images and pudding things online. That may not have actually really happened because it was press releases and there's an image of Michael Collins from Like Gemini fifteen. That's a very clear image of him doing a simulation like in a studio with straps and harnesses, and then someone from NASA or some one put that exact same in image, blacked out the background and used it as a photo of a of a space, and it's not real, you know, but they sold. It is real. There was some over zero

plus like that that if you're conspiratorially minded you might yeah once once you start lying. Yes, I think it's the area, fifty one stuff, you know we know they lied like motherfuckers and that's the problem, but what I just want to compliment you- and I just also think this is really interesting. You know so Joe Rogan believes is crazy. Shit. We don't go to the moon. I know Joe Rogan what to on a radio show together going to the doctor he's a good guy did fear factor, but he believes this shit. Let's, let's have him talk to someone is real, so I call Phil play. Do I don't know that well right, but he's the bad astronomer? He knows this shit and I say I really want

come on. My radio show and just talk to Joe Rogan about uh about the moon, landing motility and Phil says no problem, we'll just go on there, we'll set him straight. I just want to warn you have your ducks in a row because Joe's really good and he goes well. Jos. Jos, comic right yeah and that's you problem because Joe's better at talking than you show knows when the commercials are coming Joe knows how to make a joke and Joe knows also how to set you up and take you down he, oh no, it will be no problem. I said you understand any smart he's a comic right, yeah now international physicist, but you understand these smart and he's also you are going into his form we're going to be on radio. This guy is done a lot of radio. This guys talked to a lot of people, so just have

all your facts in line and then we're sitting there, because you know you were you were on the phone and good to go. My mom was on my podcast with me too sitting across from me ever listening and you come in a new command, humble and charming and sexy. I would perfect timing on everything and Phil play like go. Oh man, Joe, is wrong and Joe is gonna. Fucking win, and I said I set this up so that so that it will be a fit be fair. My whole thing of doing this away, I billboard it was op- should have two guys talk from two points of view: I'm not supposed to be there. I don't know if you remember, but the whole show ads, and I go oh by the way we even the more they just tried to do this final authority thing and Phil said after his walkie Seattle. I

yes yeah, and it's just that idea that you can't you know this idea was there's the science team, that's right, and then they just goofy comic and trying to get Phil. Plait understand that a good. The comic was not a goofy comic, and I believe that the only thing that the essay tees truly test is how good you will be the command comedian, that kind of verbal. It was a wonderful thing to listen to. It was wonderful to listen to someone who, I believe, absolutely was one hundred percent wrong yeah. I was just so skilled and so moral and so thoughtful, and so humble you had everything going for you that I respect except you didn't happen to be right. Well, we do, I don't know what happened. We assume that what we see is what happened. We assume that with the scientist Ellis was, was what happened. We assume that what NASA told us was what happened when you say.

I know this happened right, you're, not always correct. Exactly oftentimes correct, I know Kennedy got assassinated in Dallas I've, the video I know he in ALS, I don't know of Lee Harvey Oswald did it. I don't know, I assume he was involved. It seems like he. There was there. Other people involved too. I assume there were, and one of the this is why I assume there were is the magic bullet, the fucking, the guy, who got hit with a ricochet under the overpass, do want you to know that I made the shot with a man. Liquor cacao yeah, it could be made. Oh that's, horseshit! Listen. I've talked about that in LA and also I had your towards that yeah. Well, there's a lot of things. There's a lot of things. There's there's a lot of things we could, you know go over the kennedys destination is a lot of things. I'm not unemployed, we are, we are we going to all of the polarization America or are the Minnesota Kennedy assassination or we going to solve the bullying or you would do all of 'em

is wonder what our goals were. The moon landing is a conspiracy theories, dream of conspiracy, theorist dream because it's got everything in place. It's got this incredible technological achievement. It's got these three guys that look incredibly nervous at the post, landing press conference and they'll the local sketched out. It's got these guys that don't do interviews afterwards. It's got no one ever lands on the moon again after one thousand nine hundred and seventy three or whatever it was. It's got all all these technological achievements, but we never get outside of earth's atmosphere again we're always inside of earth's orbit. There's so many beautiful things that conspiracy theories can grasp, see it's bullshit, but it doesn't mean it, but it doesn't mean it didn't happen. There's the Van Allen, radiation belts, there's that we never even going chicken in the deep space and had to come back alive. There's all these things, but it doesn't mean it didn't happen and my problem was-

and this is you know- and people said: oh, you know you've sold out you're a shill now like no, no, no, I'm just being honest now, whereas before I was and being honest with myself- and I wasn't being honest about the subject- I do now not know whether or not people went to the moon, it was pretending that I knew that people didn't go to the moon and I was arguing it that way. I was on a team. I was on team, it's bullshit, we didn't go to the moon and you really can't do that accurately. It can't be done. You can say this is what's interesting. This is what I've find curious. This is what's weird in fact: there's not a single technological achievement from one thousand nine hundred and sixty nine, that's not cheaper, easier and faster to reproduce to that except going to the moon. One of the rare things in life still doesn't mean it didn't happen like Occam's razor is a slippery thing, because there's weird shit that happens and you got to take that into account like this. No absolutes is not one thing you can say

well, there is a rule in this. Room must be followed and here's that rule doesn't work that way the world is may of weird stuff. I'm also the the idea. There's there's a thing: that's changed. There was an article in the times about this and you might have even been mentioned in it. Um there's a a playful space of conspiracy theories that it's taking me a long time to understand. My daughter is fourteen and she talks about you know her father did a show called bullshit and she talks about how she loves conspiracy theories, and this is from Paul Mccartney's dead to we didn't land on the moon to all those things, but she sees it, which I so hard for me to understand. She sees is not impacting reality, but is a playful inter intellectual exercise. I don't know, what's going on,

there's this wonderful article. In the times, and were mentioned there too, but there's also another guy who does it? Who will do this musically shack having a better one, going down the rabbit hole of conspiracy, stuff playing around with the logic that almost feels like a mathematical thing or pure philosophical thing or a or a angels dancing on the head of a pin thing and there's a quality that you have learned? That daughter has learned indirectly, I think from you through other people. Doing this of there is a playful space discuss. We discuss how we well. We share our reality. That is happening

in the conspiracy theory, art form and the conspiracy theory. Art form is now seeming to me to be more like rap or rock and roll, or it's just a form, a thing where you play around with this kind of thing- and I am so literal minded so verbal minded- you know Bob Dillons easy for me. The stones are hard. You know, Zap's easy 20th century classical is easy, but just funk is hard for me and it's the same kind of thing here. It's really easy for me to say we're doing. Um, ah the old fashioned scientific in query, and this is really falsifiable, but there is something happening in our thinking. That's really interesting that

I had to have my daughter explained to me and the New York Times after I already knew you would watch you do it well you've all it is you've always been a champion of science and reason right in conspiracy theories, for the most part find a face of science and reason and if you don't want to be above Boone Notion poet, but there's poetic theory happening, but it's tricky and you don't people don't want to be a fool. Well, I'm a profession, for I don't mind being a fool and you know being self deprecating and being in a moron as part of being a comic. It's fun, the the cop could spirits. Ethiri theory world went south for me when I did a television show, but I did that Joe Rogan questions everything so six, seven months doing the show and at the end of it I was like. Okay, I get it. This is a bunch of unfakeable white guys, that's what it really. Yes, yeah! That's what I decided to do yeah I had a bit about it. I said you want to the one thing you don't find: what you're looking for big foot, black

people, you're more likely to find big foot? Then you are black eyes looking for big foot, it is a bunch of unstoppable white dudes out camping and listen to what do you hear that? What is that you know? It's like it's nonsense, like you're you're, wrapped up in this. I do yeah that there's a mystery and there's something there's a thing: a qua, but human beings where we want to uncover secrets who want to be the person that finds out the truth, because then your mic, real shitty, fucking life. Now it doesn't matter, the fucking aliens are real man there here and a ha ha the one. The best feelings weaken get probably better than coming. Is that feeling of? Ah ha? I understand I've gotten a revelation, and we see this all the time detective shows you know, share lock, Holmes, you know nothing to do with police were work, but there is a feeling that, wouldn't it be nice if in this hour I were able to figure something

out, because if you want understand string theory you're not to do in an hour, you know do it ever. I think those guys understand it, even though they teach sliced was take it easier one. Let's take a candle flame you're, never going to understand that studying that forever and there's there's an area where conspiracy theories are exercising the muscles of logic x for sizing the muscles of skepticism playing around with the with the haiku of. If then, if, when playing around with what we feel about the government and other people and stuff like that and you're playing around with all of that in kind of a semi, safe zone and

even watching you just do it here, where you were you were you bang out that stuff is a this is the stuff. I question what's coming out of that poetically and I thought that's not even talk about whether we went to the moon or not, which coming out of style of inquiry on that kind of thing. Your style of skepticism is just fast dating and beautiful, and I see the conspiracy thing as not so much a breaking down, which I used to see it as a breaking down of science and reason. I it is rather a a create shin of a new form of poetry. That weird, I don't know if my daughter just said my daughter, just says you know I really like conspiracy theories and I say to her. You know Paul Mccartney is still alive right, but you know she's forty

Keenan, your Penn Jillette, so she's rebelling understand that right, you're, a parent. You know what it's like. You babe, just told me something really important that is to dirt down. There realized here's. The thing is like Neil Gayman's daughter coming in all golf doubt: he'll say to her: I invented. If you can't do this, this is not the way you can rebel. You can't rebel against, be like this. You can't do with black hair and eye shadow. You can't do it yeah yeah, well, kids, you know they find their own way and they want to express themselves. You know they want to it power over the world, but did you see that article your mention it? No, I did not it was it was. I try not to read anything that I mentioned that I got to. I briefly do often times on my house. I tried

never read anything with my name in it because it's not written for us and I'll I'll. Tell you the exact moment that happened to be. There was so great. It was in the eighties. We were on Broadway and and the cone brothers were just starting to do movies. You know- and I was really interested in you know, and I had I had like an hour free, which one I was doing stern and Letterman and Saturday Night LIVE and on Broadway I never free- and I was freight magazine like vanity, fair, something who gives a fuck what it was, and it said what the phone brothers are really like would like to work with the Coen brothers. I said I'd never read magazine going to buy this. I learn a little about the Coen Brothers right up to our office. You know it's like the Brill bill. You know, Lorne Michaels sit in my office, open it up, but the cone brothers, like turn that page. If you want to know what the what Brothers Coen like it's like hanging out with Penn and teller, and I went.

What what, how is that even really close the magazine put it aside and they were going on comparing him I went. I have no information on this. There no way I can access it. In that moment. I went away to minute when it's is Penn Jillette in an article or in a book. There's no way, I can understand that. Maybe others can you know. So when says in the article. So when Joe Rogan does conspiracy stuff that you can't understand that it's like MIKE Nesmith, said to me the major problem with talking to Jimi Hendrix. Was he never heard, Jimi Hendrix? You never saw Jimi Hendrix on stage. He couldn't, and you know so. You are the one

person that using Joe Rogan is an example. You know well, you know kind of a bro Lh Ih, Terry, it kind of ah kind of he does this bro culture. This is Joe. You can't understand that you have no idea what that means, because you're an individual. What's also people are trying to encapsulate. You should brief Mo Munson Madison a video or heard you talk about it being something to other people. It means something and it also you can easily categorize someone and put them in this box, and now I've find that. Oh, I know what that is, but it still shows before that's like hanging out with Penn Jillette yeah. It's also part of your job party or job. One of the things you've created is you've created something in the culture. That means the New York Times can say Joe Rogan and their people. Reading that know what that means, but there's no way Joe Rogan can know what that now, you can pretend or you could be like Trump and get not about it. You know where the rubber it hit the road with conspiracy theories right now, Jeffrey Epstein, that's where the rubber hits now,

where people that are not conspiratorial minded. Where are like wait, what the fuck is going on, what all the cameras were? Bad? All the guy was suicide watch. He tried it's suicide and then like well, don't do that again and then he did it like. If you talk to people that have been locked up, they take away everything man you been on suicide watch, they fucking take away everything and you find this guys got a broken neck and he hung himself like how. How do you hang himself? Can we see the video footage? All sorry the cameras were broke. I think hanging yourself is wicked. Hard is not easy, not easy. It's not easy. When you're in a jail- and they take away the every bit every minute, you now now never been in jail only in jail overnight, but I mean, if you run soon I'd watch man. They make it hard for you to kill yourself, and if you're, is that what suicide watch means they watch you, so you can't kill yourself again that they watch every thirty minutes. What the fuck was, this psychology

thinking that took this guy off suicide watch literally a couple of weeks after he tried to commit suicide. If someone trying to commit suicide, you know speaking as a guys had friends commit suicide, they're fucking thinking about it for years man, some of they go back and forth days. Ok, some of them some of them just do some of them just do that, but when someone does actively try it they're not going to just be fine, while they're in fucking prison awaiting file for having sex with kids, it seems like Jeffrey Epstein's. Life was going to get really worse from what it was a few months before could be, or other people's lives are going to get really worse, because Jeffrey Epsteins now in jail, they're digging deep into his past and well. We flew with them twenty six twenty each time that a lot of times to fly with a guy, I don't know,

staying with the big deal, is we flew in a jet? We wrote a boss together, he was on the back of my bike. Do you know, do you know people that know Jeffrey Epstein? Yes, yeah yeah, ideally two and a lot them really. Is that talk to him? Well, I'm not a little bit, there's many people that feel like he was an agent and that he was trying to compromise people and that's one of the things about this whole. The leader island thing is that they would compromise people that would compromise people by having a bunch of young girls were very sexy, who are hired to go and flirt, and maybe even have sex with people, and that these people were young. These girls were like seventeen under age may, perhaps under eight some places, a perhaps not under age other places, but in pink, embarrassing, and you know for for the people in Beijing compromise for home. Who knows, I mean, there's a lot of lot of thoughts, but that's one of the things about when he got arrested, the the was it the prosecutor. Whoever was a cut in the deal literally

is quoted as saying I was told, he's above my pay grade yeah and that he was intelligence. As the quote. Really, the genesis thing try to find the quote: yeah. I try to find the quote. Yes, the guy said this was when he gave him a lenient sentence many years ago, which one thousand and twelve or something no one seems to know how he got his money. Well, fucking. Seventy million dollar penthouse that he had in Manhattan was given to him right given to him. Yeah fuck give someone a seventy million dollar house. I was kinda, hoping you would to me. I don't have one, but if I have a bunch of uh, if you want, I got to run yeah. You know just to get a seventy million dollar house. You were told wrong, yeah yeah, I mean I think, the guy it's in it. I think there are a lot. I've talked to people many times that were

work for intelligence agencies and there's a lot of weird shit that they do and one of the things that they do to compromise people as they get them involved in weird stuff. That could be very bad bad for them. If it comes out and the they have influence of this person, and if you gotta go with a voracious sexual appetite, I mean there's a few, those fellows out there and you know how proud of that our children at office now over the fucking hanging out having a good time with Jeffrey, and we just flying around, I mean come on man, it's highly likely one of the guys that I know that knew him was also a freak like a sexual freak and I'm like okay. I think I think I see a pattern here. This is the it's very likely that that's what was going on this guy was compromising people and probably absolutely a sex addict himself, and I believe all the women would say all the horrible things that he did to them and hired them for things and had under aged

girls. Do sexual things with him. It's probably true, probably true, he's probably a fucked up twisted do but many people that are involved even in good things, get com for like there's many people that work for the CIA that were legit adamant, CIA operatives who wound up selling drugs. This is a lot of this happens. People go sideways. People get in involved in shady activity that are cops. There's cops that wind up doing illegal things they signed on to be a cop to be a a person, is going to serve and protect and be involved the community and slowly but surely they get compromised and they get involved illegal activity in and next thing you know they're corrupt, that happens as early and then sometimes people fucking suicide themselves and the people that it was they weren't even aware of the cd stuff going on. So, of course, that's be true too well, he was, would be one hundred percent. He was also a champion of

yeah. I mean he, but that's the thing about people. They can be re, only good cheer, some ways in horrible. In other ways, this idea that people are binary or one or a zero is nonsense. There's really good people to do terrible things. There's really terrible people that also do good things. Look fucking Trump just passed. Something, and no one wants to give him credit for the stuff was the kindest heart he did. He did. He did wonderful stuff for kidney transplants, stuff sure it pushed through. Well, I was going to say that he absorbed all the student loans for disabled veterans, fantastic, but you don't hear word about inward appraise look. We should absolved student loans for fucking. Everyone were crippling. Kids were crippling the seventeen eight ten year old kids who signed up for these fucking loans and they get compromised to the point where we have people to this day right now that getting their social security money there. So she security money is getting docked because they owe student loans there at the end of the control. What do you do? What do

we do? And this is a real question? This is not rhetorical. What do you do about the feeling of fairness, the people that work their way through college waiting cables? That's a good point, working really hard, and then they we just say their feelings, which I think is valid, which is yeah yeah. You got fucked on the, but let's help someone else out what we hear compassion, here's the gives. You know there are people that worked really hard to not have student loans. Yes, and there are people that took them. There has to be somebody who took them frivolously one hundred percent- I think quite a few, and I I think it's also. We also should pay attention to the human mind and the development of the human mind in the frontal cortex in the frontal lobe does not develop properly until you're twenty five years old right. So she

somewhere in that Russell minus four. It's definitely not seventeen, definitely not 18th, so you're. Taking on these fucking loans, you can't be trusted with money or your future, or thinking about what the fuck you're doing in terms of like taking on a debt of flowers. Don't we have doing this also ties in with the sexual stuff as well? Don't we have to decide when someone's adult and then give them that respect? I think we have, I say, you're, eighteen years old, we can't control what decisions you make yes, and what is that you're going to, because I think twenty five is too old. I think twenty five is too old as well, but I think what we're saying is I mean: look there's a lot of eighteen year old people that make very good moral decisions. Yes, and we should. We should praise that. Here's the problem with the student loan thing in terms of the that's the Onley loan that you never get exonerated from you can get bankruptcy right and you can get exonerated you can you escape

the loans of credit cards, the debt of mortgages, SK, a bad business collapsing and owing millions and whatever you could escape that through bankruptcy? You cannot do that with student loans. It's a corrupt system. You take a child who's, trying to learn a trade or trying to learn a profession and you acquire insane debt. That's going to track you and cripple you for the rest of your life and no matter what happens you owe that money, but also you're taking your college is out of the free market too, by giving those by giving those loans easily yes and by having government help. Yes, you're also you're also taking away the free market, because you know we found out that when you put the free market in Like Lasik surgery when insurance doesn't cover it, it gets wicked cheap. You know and if colleges had to

be paid as people went without easy loans to get, and if colleges did not get government money, they might be wicked cheaper. I think there will be really really expensive. I think race, yes, is crazy, expensive. I think the real solution is in treating education like a thing, that's going to make our society better and and if it as the same way, we think about the fire department way. You think, please don't think that I mean when you read the paper. There's always one whole thing about college is getting too expensive and people can't go to the end. And then you turn twenty pages later in the paper and there's an article about how online learning is going to happen is happening and all this stuff is going to happen. Do you think that that idea of college is going to hold up for another ten? I think there's an experience of people. Could you please call away? I did, but I went to college in my town. I went to Umass Boston and I really only went because I didn't want to be a loser.

It was really all it was. I was doing martial arts and fighting and traveling all over the world or all of the country rather and and thinking about doing, stand at the time as well and then transitioning to doing stand up. Why was also still taking classes? I was learning nothing. It was a complete waste of time. I was only doing it, so I could say yeah taking classes at U Mass Boston, barely paying attention barely showing up and um. It was just a thing that I didn't want to tell p people that wasn't going to college like that was the number one reason why I did it, but I, but that was I had a unique look from the time I was grad waiting from high school to the time I started doing stand up. I was obsessed with martial arts and competing, and that's all I wanted who is make the olympic team for Taekwondo. That's what that was my goal. That's trying to do so. I wasn't a normal person. I wasn't like I wasn't, going, go

Ohio and travel over there and and take a full course load and not be able to pursue my what I wanted, but I wanted to do was also you've got a window. I fed Eckley yeah slightly, that's it! That's it open there's! No, there was no scholarships for Thai Kwando's and doesn't it didn't exist and the only other option was the army. There was a dude. His name is clay. Barbara's, really talented guy was fighter. Who was on the US team at one point in time I think, and he was competing through the army like they. They had subsidized his training somehow or another, and I was thinking. Maybe I should join the army, like those the other. The only other thing that I was thinking about doing, but for people I think they're the thing about getting away for your parents getting away from them getting away from their influence being wild and crazy and be with a bunch of other kids in trying to find yourself. I think that comes from traveling to a place in going to college, and I think there's there's some benefit in that. I have friends that have had great benefit in that

sort of transformative experience of being on a campus of physical campus in a place that's outside of their hometown, where it gives in this new experience where they get to trying to reinvent there's, no doubt about that people. Do that being able to be someone else yeah. I wonder I wonder if all of that, why we're giving that a four year period? Why isn't that a whole lives? You know it could be. It should be an isn't that the way that's going to change 'cause people aren't having jobs with the whole life anymore and by the way, the liberal arts education was never supposed to teach people a trade. It was always supposed to make it so that young men could talk in parties. We could have the same cultural thing. We can tell about Shakespeare. We can talk about this. We can talk about that, but none of this was meant to give people jobs. Well, it's so Bridget right you get out of high school high school. Is this torturous affair, we're being a square peg trying to shove into a round hole? Then you get out and then they fly off to wherever the fuck you're going to go to school and you

so there and you're forced with this overbearing workload of school and and then social things you're trying to figure out. What's, ok and what's not? Ok, now where's the safe space and hey? What am I I'm? I allowed to say this and it what my allowed to say that and what are the new rules now for this new generation? Or are we really gonna change the world and also in your outlook, the world? And you realize that fucking money that you spent more that loan that you got is not getting you a job and you're fucked and you can't get it job and you're, also massively in debt and severely depressed and trying to figure out your future. I mean, then you go on adderall and you like, I get it we're setting people up we're setting people up for a horrible failure. I am with Bernie Sanders in that. I think education should be free and I don't think that's a bad. I think I think I earn it. I think you have to earn it. How about if education is really cheap, like everything else is getting Super TV's are really true. Why think we could and more expensive? I think we could pay for it

or you can pay more the individuals copay for made the individual cheaper if it made sense, if it made sense yeah I mean if you want to learn something now. We know this very well. If you want to learn anything now, you can get it for free on the. You definitely can do many many thing I mean other than physical things. There's a lot of physics, things that you need to be taught by coach. I think there's a lot of things. You can learn online and even the physical things you can get a big chunk of it online. I mean what I mean. Let's talk about all that matters. Ok, let's talk about juggling. I grew up as a juggler. When you were doing the Thai Kwando, I was juggling all the time. That's all I did, and that was my whole life was juggling and what happened was with the internet juggling a tremendously better, because people could watch videos of things they knew were possible and get better if jug link get better

physics. Certainly can, it seems, like you, can take a course at any college online and if you sincerely want to learn, you know, I don't know we need to have this. What is what is the term called when the when the Amish take one year of rumble those guys rom spring I'm spring? I don't think we need a nationally tax subsidize rum spring in the country. I don't think it is right. Yeah you go to college, but were you just described yeah? Do they did it yeah? It seems like live your life there. Isn't this four year magic period or two year magic period and go out and learn the stuff you want to learn. I mean you know we both have chill and they'll be talking about going to college and of course, my my not of course, but my wife will push very hard for college and my thinking is anything they want to learn they can they can just learn it yeah

by the way. This was also true with just the libraries in local towns just more tro. Now it's even easier. You know I can't imagine growing up where my my son can type in Lenny Bruce and it all just pops up right. That was a major store ordering order. It yeah, if you stayed in the grip and griffins music store in Greenfield MA, did not have the Carnegie Hall Concert right order, Frank Zappa, on back of one of his records matches Hebrews and he's on sergeant pepper. I guess I should learn about him, Lenny that that that's how I learned about Terence Mckenna, I learned about Terence Mckenna from listening to a bill. Hicks record yeah yeah sounds like who's, this Mckenna and what's her okay. Does it have a frank, Zappa one of the records I, which it is? I think it's freak out, but it might be absolutely free, says on the back:

do not listen to this song until you've read Franz Kafka in the penal comedy. I got the record opened it up. It said that I listen to one side got to that song got on my bike road down to the Greenfield Public Library Kafka. I got this written down Kafka in the penal colony. Sat there Ray it went back. Listen to the record. My entire education starts with MIKE Nesmith of the Monkees, who said: listen to is apple, listen to Hendricks, from Zappa to Lenny, Bruce from Lenny Bruce to the whole world, and I believe that that is available to everybody all the time I mean I don't know. As I would say, tax players should pay for college. I think I would say: do we need college? Isn't that fading away? I think there's a real benefit to being in a classroom with a brilliant professor, yeah yeah. I think there is we're also seeing with TED talks, which I know a jive, but there is a

there's also. You know you know their job be. There can be a lot of JIVE Ted talks. There's some jive TED talks, but I'm saying is: I went to one of the first TED conferences. I thank him in and got this here. You know all these credible people speaking it was mind blowing. Can I wasn't call the JH I was you know I whatever I was forty five or something fourteen it was. It was an amazing spirit. Jonas Salk, you know I sat listen to Jonas Salk Talk, but in a room with brilliant people speak, and it's really really great, but I think we can. We can deliver that cheaper and that's the side that Bernie Sanders. I want to talk about. It's not KEN, give endless amounts of money. These fucking people on college campuses. Can we pay them all the money in the world to take our children and give them something to do him queen smoking dope

other just say: can't we make the experience cheap enough so that anybody can go and experience it? Why don't why? Why is it possible for you for a few bucks to go and be in a room with a brilliant person? I think that would be a thing that would be better Chel to almost anybody at any point in time. Instead of the rigid structure of like you know this is you know you have to get all this work done by x, amount of time. That's the other thing that happens. The kids, too they're they're taught about having no sleep and about beating your body up and about cram sing and about getting all this work done in a short period of time. There were really preparing them for a horrible job and all this shit that doesn't work. You know all that weird, that weird kind of hazing shit that we do for medical professionals you're going to work for foreign aid right, never words saying it's terrible for the patient that were bad for everybody. So my

and you just made the argument about the frontal, cortex and you're not really ready to twenty five in one of the huge advantage I had in my life was a shitty shitty education, horrible education. You know I went to a bad bad, bad public school that had an influx of hippies from Umass that came in and experimented on us, so we had no education with. However, I graduated from high school in a plea bargain. I had very good t, so I have scholarships to ever wanted to go, but I chose not to because I misunderstood Bob want to know he was lying. So I went and hop trains and hitchhiked around and lived homeless for a couple years and I'm ever read Moby. Dick till I was forty five. Thank you. If I'd read Moby Dick when I was supposed to would call the jage, I wouldn't have gotten it, but I was able to

hit it at the right age and now it's my favorite book as I was ready for it. You know there's so many things that are on the curriculum that are very, very important. Maybe not that day. I think there's also an issue with people, not thinking of education in terms of like that lifetime for sure yeah. It's it's not something that you graduate from college. Then you're done. We really should be educating ourselves throughout life short and not just accidentally, incidentally, by experiences. We should do it because there's things we pursue that are interesting. Now is one of the greatest times ever to do that because of audio books. You can do it while you in the car, you could do it while you're on the train, you can get educated and you could also they're doing this weird, connecting thing where I've not experimented with this, but I'd love to where people take courses online and then find people who are also taking courses online in their communities and then meet it like a fucking

Starbucks to discuss what happened before in the class, which is mind blowing that that can happen. So you can take you know one of my huge one of the things that wanted to do is I want to learn to play jazz only play upright bass. I looked up at forty five and I learned to play upright bebop base passably huge accomplishment, and now I really want to learn a language you know so I was looking at Olympics. I figured maybe there's a government watch list, I'm not on so I you should learn Arabic. That was my picture. Please don't you think that that ticks all the boxes? That's going to give me everything if I just learn Arabic, so I started looking into how I can learn how I can learn Arabic and it's amazing- the kind of network that's developing all over the world to be able to learn anything. So my argument with you on

on the on the Bernie thing of paying from who's colleges, I think we can get college so fucking cheap. You can go to college your whole life. Well, I don't think that's a bad idea. You know, if possible, possible to get that that cheap, but I don't want professor to be poor, mean. I think one of the terms we have a pledge with public education is that people don't want to be a teacher, because preacher teachers don't get paid much sure, but there's a there's a way. There's a. I would say: that's government intervention! That's doing that! I I would say if you government intervention is keeping the salary low. I think so really. I really think so because I think that not having enough of the of the of the of the competition and stuff, then I mean you know you, you would pay good money to be in a room with the Steven Pinker in us

and I think that local e this was always the problem that I never figured out. You know when I was in Greenfield MA town of twenty thousand. I would say to all the other high school students. I would say you know if we do give our money to the rolling stones and the Beatles and Dylan, and all these other bands we could pull buddy together, have her really could local band. We could have a great band right here in town. You know, and I think that if you thought of education, that way, can we get in our little area really great teachers. You can teach this stuff, it might be pretty boss. Well, it would be amazing if we could spread education right through any any method. Whatever we could do, we could encourage people to be more educated, but I think one of the best ways to do it. Really is just like this: a lot of podcast that are educating people,

there's a lot of information that you get those minor take, but it's what we're getting is with there's more information available now than ever before. I think it's very different and what colleges traditionally college is a thing where you go and it's a rite of passage it's line, and we don't have those in this world and I think we could do with them. I think we could, with these rights of particularly for young men, I don't know- maybe it's case for young women. Obviously never was one, but when you who are young man, there's this transitionary period where you're a boy and then all of a sudden am I a man yet like one of my am, and certainly a lot of lot of cultures. Religions have done that we're getting out and getting that certificate and getting your diploma holy shit. I graduated from Fucking University, I'm a man now I am grown up. I have a degree, I'm a woman. Now I have a degree an adult and you're. Obviously you know I I'm seeing this. You know it's. Okay, to

speak with an accent is not okay to here, with one I'm hearing from someone who spent an awful lot of time explaining to my cell when others why I didn't go to college, so you wanted to show you in a loser. I didn't have that. I didn't say I went to Ringling Brothers, Barnum Bailey greatest show on Earth Cloud College. You don't know if you want to make sure you don't get respect. That's where you go why'd say I talk about it's 'cause. I want people to really know where my head was that I don't want to like glorified or was when I was a college. I went without any rite of passage it all right. You know, and closest I had to right of passage- was earning my living butcher. You were also you were on a different suit, but your pursuit was the Carney pursuit you enjoyed that I mean there was like you how to lust for it. You know, and it obviously worked out. Well, did ok,

listen. Do you really have to bail out too, because it is too around now yeah? Ok, what are you doing? Just hanging out, no I'm gonna go uh. Do you watch the show up perpetual grace limited, no, never heard of it. Okay. What is it did? You watch show patriot, no okay, um best shows. I have seen that they fixed on television. Yes, yes, not! The patriot, not MEL Gibson was show called. What's it on, Patriot is on Amazon Prime remember they used to be like twenty shows, and you knew all of that. Now, this millions it's impossible. So I I'm going to meet and talk to the guy who created all of those things there. It is on potential, grace, yeah, perpetual grace. There is ok, and I know that dude. What's that dudes name Ben Kingsley, that's right and then that's Jimmy Simpson and that got it

stuff is Jimmy Simpson. There guys great. I never know who that guy is he's just always awesome. What was he in recently? It was in I'm really good. That's Westworld, Steve Conrad is the guy who writes directs produces, creates these shows, and I he happens to be in town and I'm going to talk to him for my podcast, which is Penns Sunday School. I'm going to go to another studio and talk to him, and I had already set up the time so nice that can't be change, but I love that Amazon is doing all these different shows they're getting into the stand up comedy world now to crazy he's great huge amounts beautiful. There was so many played with this so much stuff, but there's so many places to put that stuff, yeah beautiful and why? What a great time we gotta do this moral, we gotta do this more often. This is the first time we've done it. How is that possible? This podcast is almost ten years old is the first time we've been crazy and also people yell at me.

Something go talk to Joe Rogan, you asshole. This is how fast times going when I did your radio show. I didn't have a podcast that was more than ten years ago. I fucking crazy, crazy flying problems. Do this once a year? Can we do that? At least? Let's do it? Ok, baby. Sir, thank you bye. Everybody. Thank you ever for tune into the show and thank you to super fat. J R e listeners. Could go to super fat, dot com, Slash Joe and enter the code Joe and you could get fifteen percent off their fantastic plant based fats, all the power of plant based fat energy in your routine, with portable nut butter, packets that you could take anywhere and again you go to super fat dot com, Slash Joe and enter the code, Joe for fifteen percent off. Thank you also to Catalan fire bone broth. I fucking loved

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