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ordinary battle in the afghan war. He is a recipient of the medal of Honor and just an absolutely extraordinary young man in an honor to sit down and talk to him. Please welcome Dakota Meyer, the Joe Rogan experience trying my day, Joe Rogan podcast by night all day. How are you know we found it? Finally, we've been talking about. It feel super connected Human, because, all day I've been listening to you on Jocko's podcast and what first of all anybody who really wants to know you in depth? In your element, talking with a fellow warrior, I like strongly recommend a podcast for for people don't, but what? What number

Where is it to know which number planet? Actually I don't know number, it is listening to it. It's Jocko podcast, one hundred and fifteen, into the fire and beyond the call of duty. Jocko is a fucking beast and you two together talking about the incidents that happen with overseas it's insane I mean it is is well like I had a call buddy my to stop the podcasts in call my friend Brenda just to talk to him yeah I was like this is so intense. It's like I was driving. I was getting nervous right. You know drive in my phone, my Tesla right. I will electric cars drive, my hands are sweating and I'm like fuck yeah. It was If here, all those like you know when you listening to that podcast, that was by far the most like Jocko Gesp, pull it out of me like right, like you know, most everybody, it's like the high points of it, but

you mean Jocko just made that connection. It was the first time we ever met face to face yeah we just went. Thank you know you pick me. He actually picked me up from the airport and we went. We went there and we sit down to the the the podcast and and how No, I I I think I think he knew the questions to ask, because I think it was good for both of us, because you know if you got to the point kind of in the middle of a. If you start hearing the silences, it was both of us trying to keep from tears, fallen right like it was like. Is like that moment, you're trying to ages. You know really. We, who is really connected, and it was. You know it was a tough podcast. Well, you could tell because for Jocko mean I listen to a lot of Jocko's podcast, but that was one where he was really in his element. First of all, it's very obviously as a deep respect for you and who you are and what you stand for and then two it brought him back to his onix. Variances more and so the whole thing is just is one of the most intense podcast I've ever listened to. If not the most intense, it's fucking heavy man

is, it was heavy. It was a hard like it was a hard one. He I like you said. I think I think we both I think Jocko was getting. Much out of it is. I was right and I have the utmost respect for Jocko. The guy is just you know. He is he's the epitome of of of a war you're all around. You know like from day a day in and day out, and he wakes up every day and leaves the things that he says I mean you know he he does what he says and he lives it, and he puts people first and he's just to me is one of the greatest guys I've ever met. I agree the guy could answer better and TIM Kennedy's. Well, we know we're both friends with him and the same thing that kinda it's a rare, rare human being. It is those guys it is. You know, and I think that's what like you know, that's from so fortune about it's like I'm, just I'm, I'm surrounded by just people like that. Right, like you know, I'm I'm so I'm so fortunate to have a circle like that. You know. I think that that that's what makes us who we are you know I mean that it's the

The epitome is, is, is, is Isha Iron, sharpens iron and when you're surrounded by guys, like Jocko and TIM Kennedy, And- and I mean what would you have no option but even if you're you're, you know you, even if you're last in that group, like you're, still you're still above average, you know well, there's a cliche. You know that comes up when people talk about military. You know that you know people say thing and sometimes it's it's it's hard to understand whether or not the grass exactly what they're saying, but the people make sacrifices so that you could be for, and I don't think I don't think people realize it's hard to truly internalize that without having experienced what you've experienced with Jacqueline TIM Kennedy of experience, but I'm listening to it I know that it's correct. I know that it's true. I supported one hundred percent, but it's almost like an alien thing to me, because I've never experienced it. So when hearing you guys talk about it climb inside your head for a bit, let and listen to describe it that that too cliche the land of the free because of the brave it it it

gets highlighted when you understand like this is why America is not like it is in other places because of the strong military and one of the things you guys talked about in that podcast was this. Via of us invading Afghanistan that you were fighting alongside Afghan actually and most people who talk about war will have this peripheral sort of cursor understanding about what they would like the world to be like. You know that they would like. No war, and that this is terrible. We shouldn't be over. There did don't truly I understand what you understand. You know they they don't and and- and I think you know the perspective that I get to come back and I think all these guys telling their stories. You know from Rob O'Neill to mark the trail, like, I think, every every warrior out there has to tell their story to make people understand right, like it's so important for that, because we've got a perspective of the world, a lot of people to

get yes, and you know I mean I stood next to. I stood next to people ed that that we couldn't break you talk about no not believing not being raised not come from the same place, not having you know. We could have found every reason not to to be on the same ground, but we still next, each other were willing to die for each other. We found we chose to, find the common denominator, and that was because there's only two types of people in this world there's good and evil. Yes, I got a really comes down to that like like war is so simple. Life is so simple when you try to complicate there's other reasons. And it's like this this whole this whole thing. We were all over there fighting for this, for the belief to be free, this, this disbelief of democracy, this of of what we all live for, and it's you can't

but but we live it every day and we were willing to give our lives for for for people, we didn't even know people, we don't even meet one things you talked about which Jocko EAST you said, you didn't just lose four brothers. That day you lost ten, because you lost six afghani brothers as well yeah. We are. You know that the the Afghans was close to me is, as the Marines were. You know my my team of afghan soldiers. You know I lived on a base it for us and Afghans and every day I went out on patrol and I'm patrolling with them in their no different than then mean you, you know they they just want a place. I'll, never forget that really hit home to me, His a Haddon and Afghan we were sitting up on the mountain that actually the cover of my book. It was that day we were on the on that on that that man, because we chased some Taliban up up that hill and we're sitting up there in this after and looked at me, and he just said- I hope that someday you can bring your family here on vacation. I hope that we can get it to that point while

and it really hit home to me. It's like you know, we're all just alike. You know we're all just a like. We all just want to live a great life and we all just wanna get along. I mean, if you don't, if you don't get along it's because you choose not to get on for people, don't understand the conflict of in a cast and explain what is happening in. Why were over there? Yes, so you know the basically Afghanistan it in and it was the same thing in Iraq to I mean you know, that's where these terrorist reservations were right, and you know world over there, fight alongside side, Afghanistan, world their fighting alongside Iraq, we're not fighting Iraq and fighting Afghanistan. We fighting

ANG side both of those countries and trying to rebuild it up and trying to get rid of these terrorist cells that are inside those countries. You know, like you said I mean I everybody thinks it. You know we're fighting Iraq and find Afghanistan is not the case, we're alongside them, helping them rebuild their countries. You know when you go to black rifle coffee in SALT Lake yeah. Those guys are awesome, awesome. They they brought a bunch of former afghan troops over. They work form over there like a lot of the guys working in the factory yeah you like. Okay, I guys like these. These guys are so close these people they brought him back and gave them jobs as America. Absolutely you know- and this is I just think most people don't really have a full picture of what what's at stake and why it's even happening. They just don't want war right. They just don't want war.

It's like you know. I mean there there's no way you mean you can go in your house and and and lock your doors and and sit there and try to pretend that the evil that we fight doesn't exist, but it exist. It exists. It's there it's there and if we don't go fight over there, it's going to come here. That's another cliche that, like seems alien to people. You know it's a it's a it's a it's a true statement. It's always been true throughout human history, but when you live in a country like America, we're so fortunate, it's so awesome here, even when it sucks it's awesome and compare into the rest of the world. You know it's very rare that you have a place where you really can start

bottom and make your way up to be a successful person. I mean literally, you can start here and come from nothing and within your generation be the present United States. You could literally start from that and and it's the only country on the face, the planet- and I I tell people all the time like you know just because you know we we get so caught up like right now is like an emotional tie. Time for for America Rights can read. I caught the draining time he from now. Until you know November, you know and tell the election time It's going to be draining right and everybody's, getting so emotional and fired up an, and it's like you know like it's going to be whatever, but the cool part is. Is that this country, like from all of us in the military from all our first wonders: are police officers. You know we're the only country on the face of planet that doesn't swear allegiance to a person. We swear allegiance to a document to a piece of paper and that's that's what that's. What allows

to be us, that's what allows us to not have one person come in and to change up this idea that we have a democracy of freedom and- and that's That'S- that's something. That's just it's: it's incredible! It's what keeps our country the way it is right, like there's not you know the people will always be in charge here, and you know what most of America most ninety nine percent of a as incredible as Credit and you know what they're going to they're, stopping there helping people and it's just a loud ones that make us look. You know, make it look like it's all chaotic. Well, people love to point out the horrible aspects and they love to ignore the good aspects. They love to dwell on the bad parts and I think, ultimately, going to prove to be good for everybody, because those people that are highlighting all these bad things than everybody else has to think about it and we'll slowly

but surely, involved and come to an understanding and and and and make the world a better place. It's a way better place now that was a hundred years ago or two hundred years ago. I think this is a mean Steven Pinker talks about this. All the time of it in his books, but in in is criticized for because a lot of people don't like the idea that things are getting better and they want to dwell on the negative aspects and they want they want to magnify those and make it the most important focal point. I think the most important focal point if we want to have a good world is concentrate on the good aspects. And and how amazing it really is that we have this incredible ability to express ourselves is incredible ability to prosper to move, and I mean in it. You know the people don't get the the same, share the same stake in life. A lot of people get a terrible opening hand of cards, but you can and this is one of the rare places in the world where you can, if you're, if you're so inclined, if you have the discipline, if

you figured out emotionally if you could figure it out in terms of like what you want to do in your life, you can you can live a healthy and healthy and successful life in this country is possible. One hundred percent- one hundred percent like nobody's holding you down right, like you, have the choice to to be able to do that. You have the choice: to go out to every opportunity like there's no other country, that has more opportunities in United States America, especially for me for anybody and- and I agree with you- I I think that the that this, the society has gotten into this, to this place of where we're trying to out victimize each other like who can be the bigger victim who's. Had it harder and- and you know the thing that and I also believe, is it with technology, and all this is. The empathy like like suffering, has became normal for people. Right, like a kids became entertainment like look at reality, tv like people's messed up lives from that's entertainment for people now right, video games of you know when I talk about.

This all time about war right, we came back and it was like war has now been romanticized. It's been, I made the size, it is this cool image of. Like I hear people say I just wanna: go kick in doors issue, people in the face and say what you've you've probably never done it then, and it's like we've got our kids playing video games of the stuff that keeps me awake at night, and it's like who you know at what point do we start humanizing these things? When you see one of those crazy video games, LOS first person, shooters involved in war Does that bring back memories I mean, does it does it does it? Does it irritate you it you know it? I can you know I I under I think that what's not put out there is, is not here, kids talking about Haiti, you know of, did you use this, or did you use this, or did you know you hear people say well, did you kill somebody right and it's it's like died, kids, and I don't think that that's you know I,

To me that bothers me, because it's not there's nothing cool about taking another human's life and when you're playing video games? And it's like I got, you know this. Many kills like these kids are just watching this screen, over and over and the more you know the more graphic it gets like the last desensitized that we have to another human being suffering right, the more decent. Yeah desensitized right like the more desensitized, and then you start, you know the more than movies go and the more I mean I you know. I think I think that, like we've, just like we've pushed herself away, he from you know from being empathetic to the hey. This is a real people. These are real people's lives like what, if they you know, we we stop. Looking at looking at people and saying you know, this is someone's child yeah. This is someone's mother right. This is someone's son. I

we we've gotten away from that. My cat likes the the you know the old art there that I was always told to live by street someone as you would want to be true yourself and, if you're in those shoes shoes in every time I pass somebody every time see somebody suffering. I always look at that and be like. Well, what would I want somebody to do if they see my daughter suffering or my son suffering right? I mean look at all these times, as he's peep hold in their video cameras up in their video, and somebody like getting just beat. And it's like well, how do you do that not help? How does that not just suck everything out of you to not want to do something? Yeah, there's a thing called diffusion of responsibility that happens, people in crowds. Unfortunately, and is also the same thing that I think when you're filming something that's happening in real life is the same thing that you seen in these video games and television shows shows mean we have never had more violence in film form

and in video game form ever ever, but that we've never had less violence. Violence like how many people who play these games that have seen people get shot over and over and over and over again I've never seen the body never seen anybody get severe, Woon did or shot and so to them getting shot and shoot. People is always it's almost like empty. Like Bang, Bang, bang, there's a guy comes out of the bushes, bang, bang! Bang! You shoot him here, comes this guy tell me when you shoot him and I feel like anything and then shut it off and you have a sandwich and you turn it on again. You do it again so you're you're experiencing this thing, that's empty! It's it's like you're, pretending to drink water, but there's nothing the glass you keep doing it over and over again, and then you some real water. You like this is. This is different. This is does the analogy of numbing. People are numb to this fake violence and have no experience.

With the real stuff, so they think of the real stuff, the same way they think of the fake stuff they do. You know, and sometimes when they see it, they still are not. They still came act right like don't it's kind It's kinda. Like imagine the way I look at is you know you look at all these simulators like flight simulators. Like I mean, there's all this virtual reality right that people are using this for actually training and so, like you, don't think that it's a say way when you're doing this, and then you got games that come out like grand theft, auto right like where just running around in your shooting hookers sure like yeah like how does that? How is that he? How is anything positive, come from that right right? How is it in the yeah? It's some where where'd culture, and then weird you could see all the violence you like. I watch John Wick three last night. Finally finished it. Jesus Christ What is the way through ally, I'm like how many fucking people have they killed? This is so ridiculous. Just a

a murder fast, it's murder porn, that's what it's like kinda, but the this thing is like that violence is unheard of, but yet you don't show sex like you could show people's brains exploding. If you showed a girls pussy in a penis going inside of it people yeah. That's that that's the one thing that doesn't hurt anybody that everybody wants yeah. That would be horrific to show like if you had a film with, You know Brad Pitt and give me a hot woman actress, Jamie, no hot women actresses who's on Scarlett, Johansson, Charlie Johansson and Brad Pitt have a sex scene and they actually get after it. Do you see it and you see her feet up in the air and maybe like? What are we watching? This is crazy, but but yet you could see Brad, spoiler alert. If you see that once upon a time in Hollywood's at the name of it the couldn't enter, he beats a woman,

death, smashing her face against a mantle of a fucking fireplace and you're like holy FUCK, and that's ok, Okay, that's, okay! Okay, whoa, that's fine! That's fine! As far but even buck shark Scarlett Johansson, you saw her asshole you'd be like what I see her actual asshole. This is crazy. Get this up. You should go to jail. It's weird. Everybody wants to do like. We all want sex everybody like sex, everybody likes sex, but nobody, nobody likes, and so with the death of their head off a mantle and that's okay, a daughter to that somebody's daughter, the more weird bro we're. We are weird yeah when you look at it like that, so we are so weird how outrageous it would be if Scarlett, Johansson and Brad Pitt had an actual sex scene in a movie if they just

they said. Listen! I like her. She looks Maine. Let's do this and she's like. Let's do it it I'm ready to method, act, that actually happened in a movie called brown bunny. It was a long time ago there was a movie with Vincent Gallo and there was an actress. Her name is Chloe. I forget how he serenades Wenji. How do you say it? 7G is really gay actress and he's a really good actor, for whatever reason they decide to do a sex scene where she gives him a real blowjob and everybody who saw it in the theater was angry. All these critics were angry. They like this is fucking outrageous. This is terribly and it really killed him. Karere I mean killed her career a little bit too. I think definitely derailed it, but it fucking killed. His career, yeah. Everybody thought he's a creep after that a create a create for something that everybody he's done right, but he,

now. Everybody loves Keanu Reeves and he's like that. Doctor shouldn't people in agony asshole in the face in the eyeballs in the mouth, he's cutting them up and stabbing him and throw him off motorcycles. Like far so that's ok, though, that's ok, that's ok, but Vincent Gallo actually getting a legitimate blowjob. That's outrageous I should be pulled out at Hollywood forever, Garneys terrible who won yeah. It's weird like we get freaked out about watching people do something that everybody wants to do if it's insane very weird, yes in same engine yeah, that's super weird, that's funny what he got jammed going. He he produced edited

directed cinematography of the video there was this idea to get his dick sucked. He made the whole thing he did make the whole time will produce sex tape. Try doing somebody else to do it. Try getting sounded like a in this scene, how much she actually sucks my dick through all of it. Really, let's do this. Everybody would be like get the fuck outta here. He probably had a film it and not let anybody know what was happening until after it was over. The crazy thing is he talked her into it. You mad it be like wait what the fuck did you just say, but he talked through she went with it, but that would be fine but you know there's a scene in apocalypse now where there's, a water buffalo and they killed the water Buffalo with machete. They used a real water buffalo in a real machete. They really killed the water Buffalo for that scene, and now people are not that bad. They went

go nuts now when people find out about now they freak out yeah like I wouldn't I mean I wouldn't even post anything on my instagram of hunting, because Peter would just like people just tell you like. Oh we should we should. We should hunt We should shoot you with a bow and arrow. I mean yep yeah, but but but but they can go. Watch people get killed, uhhuh, no problem, no problem, yeah I'd! I very rarely post things. I posted the first Elk ever shot with a bow, the picture that, because I was it's hard work man. It was hard for me to do us proud of it. Yeah is difficult and I was gonna eat that out for a year and I did eat it. You know and to need that meant. A lot to me like this is how I'm getting my meat. Now. This is my nutrition. This I'm a my family with this, but yeah the comments just for the record, their ridiculous right go crazy, but hey that's their trip. Part of it. Yeah their trip is save the animals. Everybody

got their own. It's interesting like the only thing that gives them a sense of purpose that makes them feel like they're doing something that makes a difference. It makes a change that matters yeah and for a lot of people. It's that, like stop eating eggs, stop eating eggs. Good luck with that. My favorite is when their rap did fucking vicious nasty, vegans and then, like eight years later, they give up. They start eating fish and the next thing you know they get hard ons again and it's but it doesn't last you know it's so fucking hard to just eat only plants. It's not the healthy smooth for most people. I mean everybody, everybody very we biologically, but for most people is not the healthiest moo we know you give respect, I mean a vegan like, let's discipline, yes, that's discipline, one hundred percent, and I have friends that are vegan

my friend John Joseph he's legit as fuck and he's he's been plant based for more than twenty years. I think more than that right, thirty, maybe even maybe thirty years- he's an animal, but for him like it, part of his discipline that helped him clean up. He was addicted to drugs. It helped him. You know, he's done, ten iron man's. You know so and then a bunch a half iron man's as well. So, like you know it's part of who he is as a as a man. His discipline and harvest discipline applies to his is diet. Yeah I've been a vegan at some MIKE. I can do you could do it now. I'm sure you could you don't want to do and the way you've done. You could probably do anything that people can. You know the way I just fight is like I'm. You know I'm vegetarian through secondhand source right, you eating vegetarians. Well, yeah exactly so. Let's just do a secondhand source. I don't think they count that it doesn't think so

you know it's. I don't know man it's one of those things where, even when I drink it's from corn, Anthony Bordain used to get really angry about this, and one of the things that he said was. This is a first world problem he's like we are so fortunate that we have this problem and in other countries they're just trying to get enough protein to feed their family they're just trying to get enough food to feed people. You know, and he was it wasn't like he was in different animals, but he was deeply concerned about people and about you know because of all hoses traveling. He had like a great deal of empathy for all these different people in these different cultures in their cuisine, and he did a tremendous amount of respect

for that. You would talk about it like it was religious to him. Almost you know yeah, like you know, when we were going to villages and eat, I mean if they, if they've had meat like that was a big deal like if they. If they brought me out to you, then they were. You know that was a huge deal. Yeah I mean you look at it. It's just like gosh. You know we we, you know we're over complain about stuff that that most countries wish they had those problems like on most ninety percent stuff, where we're complaining about most countries wish they had those right, but I get it. The people don't want those problems to exist to they want those problems go away. They want to utopia, and the only way to build towards utopia is to improve upon the problems that we have and we do have problems across the board. But in compare averages I would just love some perspective from people and we just love some and I, That would go a long way to help. People have more happiness, women, but I mean how how how do you wake up when all you do is focus on problems right, like it's kind of like you know when you,

when you're, working or you're you're at a job right or you own. A company like everybody's you're, always just fix, and I caught put out fires yeah and if that's all you do is constantly put out fires like it. What what point do you become grateful like like at what point at what point of the day? Do people stop and look around right in the grateful for what they have in their appreciative of Adam? Tell me you know when I was going through my divorce, I mean I was that I was a train wreck. Just call TIM Kennedy and he'll tell you you know I never get a guy sat me down. I was talking about these problems in just minutes. I mean just NIT picking and fighting over the small stuff, and I mean literally just more. She worded it this way and she needs to do it this way. I clearly just every little thing in a guy finally, sit me down. He looked at many goes, look Dakota. He said if you can make choices or decisions to change it, then it's not a problem. It's an inconvenience today that you can

make a choice. You've got cancer, your kids, sick or something like that. He goes that today you got problems until then you just gotta inconveniences, that's a great way to look at it until then just got inconveniences and I was like you're right. It's a great way to look at it because there's levels of problems right, there's insurmountable problems, cancer injuries, things things of that nature, car accidents, car mountable. Do you know what and the thing is I I think you know the. I think, I'm so fortunate to have gone, the experiences that I have because the n h, one of all me it is it's all perspective. It changes my perspective on the way. I look at things. It changes the things that are important to me. I call it. I always call it might get their land to life and that lends a life. You know your lines, life looks different than mine. Mine looks different than yours, and, and it all we all have our own into life and at the point you know we get so folks sting get into autopilot and it'll focus on.

You know it's kind of your camera, you pull it up and you got on autofocus. It never focuses on what you want. It focused on right until you go back to the manual focus and you push where it's at, and I feel like all these problems that we have are just made to hey. We need to tighten our lens back up to focus on what really really really matters yeah. Well, I think so times. People need to hear from some of the like, you know, or someone like Jocko or you know, the the the beautiful thing about these podcasts is that you get to hear people's perspective and a lot of my eye opening, They literally can change the world because they change the way. You behave when you interact with people when you listen to it and that podcast that you did with Jocko when I was lit it it may change. My whole day changed like how I was going to look at my day. I was instead of like looking at my day like up it's a normal day. I was thinking God damn I'm lucky I'm lucky and God damn imagine experiencing what and how old were you at the time? I was twenty one.

Twenty one years old, yeah and experiencing what you experienced in that insane firefight being locked down and how many guys did you wind up engaging with I, I don't know you know, I don't know. I mean everyone that I got an opportunity with right and it just you know it was just he is so chaotic I mean I I still I look, I think about all the time. Obviously it's something I could have never I parents for war every single day when I was in the marine corps in the Marine core mean what my job was and I still could have. Never, imagine that day, the way it was or anything to turn out. I could have never pictured it. I could have never and I think, every day it goes by, I think, there's a reckoning of it right. The way that I seen it that day is not the way I see it today and I think that comes with you know just just sharpening and just your you change and you see different things in perspective, but yeah I mean you know I

I I you know that day I mean it's still. I mean it still is just the just. It's just there's so many lessons that come from that day. That day it you know, I look at people complain about stuff here in erica on its side. You know I seen him one day be the best of humans, the worst of humans and everybody. Nobody thought they're wrong and it's possible. You know it's just it's just one of those deals of of you know that that day was just that's an important point. We just said nobody thought they were wrong, not them not you yeah. You know I I, but then it changed me that day, like I walked in there that day and how was the guy who was cocky. Who would tell you know I love fighting? You know I mean like I like. I just want to fight like every fight I had before that it was like you know. I always had airplane Sydney are helicopter sitting sitting around always had you know it was

I'm going to go in there and start the fight, and I'm going to call and all this other, this other stuff to win right and that day it wasn't there and and- and I walked out of there- and I just think about the time today. I just think about all the time how many generations, just that day, were changed. How many generations of of people's lives were changed? You know all my teammates died, so don't ever have kids that generations stopped their families forever eggs and a so many lives change that day by that that that piece and guess what everybody in America had no clue what's going on right now, there are US troops, somebody wondering if they're going to be able to come home and see their family again. That's reality. Whether you want ignored or not like that's reality, and

that was me september- eighth, two thousand and nine- and it was just a cashier- was a chaotic day. It's amazing how you could have thousands of days in your life and one day changes the way you look at everything. One, hey changes, the way you look at everything in you know in like the the further I go on, I I I look at different. You know I I always talk about the story of you know. Whenever this guy came up behind me and- and I ended end up killing him with the rock in. I always remember just like I remember it like I see it every night, like I remember like I just see his face, and I can just because there was a point is a point that I I I I feel like that anybody that, when they, whether they're, injured or anything like they realize they're defeated like they like it. Like I don't know, I do you think, there's a point when you look at somebody and they know they're going to die an on never for

yeah. You know now I look at it and I see it see How- and I always like that this guy is assigned to some his mother and father are going to miss him this guy. He believes in his calls, as much as I do. He doesn't believe is wrong. This guy, this guy, he he could have had a wife or kids that are never going to see their father again. Just like you know, my dad might never see me again if it was switched Ann really. I don't even know that I don't hate him. I don't even know this guy we're just here at this place now because we were born into different countries. When you add a weapons, were you at a at so my no, he came up and he started choking me.

I had shot him once before and he was trying to my buddy, my my one of my close Afghans Dolly had been shot. He he got had and killed, and I came around this here's to get him, and I was on my knee and this guy came up behind me and so he did never weapon either he was so he did he he had a weapon. I end up shooting him from the ground and I thought he was dead when fell on the ground and I kind of moved down and got down with Dottley 'cause. We are still getting shot at from this machine gun up on this hill and was trying to make my self small, as I could, and this guy ends up coming up with choking me like I thought he was dead. I thought he was dead. And he ends up choking me out. He starts trying to choke me out and eventually It up a little bit and I end up getting around him an I just got. We were fighting back and forth and I can remember. All I was thinking about was like don't let his legs get on me. Like you know, these guys are legs, or I mean they've been crawling up mountains or whole life, and he was up here is a pretty big. Food, and now I just ran

getting on top of him for only got on top of him, and I I was rolling on top of him. He didn't have all the gear on idea and I hate you remember getting on top of him like like. I was straddling him and I'm just reaching out trying to rap for anything. I can I'm holding him and hold him down with my throat my four arm and I'm just grabbing anything. I can. It finally ended up grabbing Iraq and I just started beating this dude space in and I start beating in beating in beating- and I remember remember just like finally like hidden in you know. I don't know three or four times for five times whatever I remember like. Finally, just kinda looking at me and like just it's it's like he's, I guess I'm just looking him in the eyes. Like obviously closer than me, you right now and you just see all the you can tell by. He knows where this is going.

I always think about that. You know. Obviously I would kill him a million times over again right. He he was in me like. I don't feel bad about that part of it, but I just think about like in that moment, if I can find a way to relate to him. In that moment, man I'm taking his life. We all in America can find a way to connect with each other if we don't connect with each other, because we choose not to I don't care what your differences are. Like don't like, find a reason why we can get along, not why we should not get along an, and I always think of that moment. You know up this guy and you know We see end up dying, and it would it showed me was: is that no cause that you have that's built on hate will survive? I've I didn't hate this guy didn't even know him, but I was willing to

Take his life because of what I loved and that's what that's but we have to build our lives in our foundation on is not not being angry and hating each other, but because we love that cause that we believe in so much. Does it make sense it does make sense. I understand what you're saying the way they look at it in Afghanistan this so it's is it Al Qaeda or the Taliban, so how card is mainly in Desoto County was in Iraq? Okay, so it's all kinda is the issue, that's in Iraq and the Taliban House, and that's in Afghanistan, Afghanistan and the Taliban. What are they trying to do? Are they trying to run a real just caliphate, and I mean they just want they. You know they want to run. You know it the way that they want to write like they want to. They don't want

leave and you know women being educated? They I mean they don't believe in any. I like, they don't believe in. You know they go back to that. Their beliefs of you know it's driven by religion of of all that control. They want to they want to control and how much support they have from the general population. I mean, I think it got it, not not necessarily the support book, because I think that it's not necessary, supports the power that they have right like they come in and and they lead with the heavy hand. Right I mean there's these: no, they don't these. These. These the locals, run the place. But the Taliban is kind of like look at it like a game right like calacatta like like a a mob or

or like the town, and it is kind of like the cartel right, and so that's that's where they come from and they try to lead with violence and same thing that you would know you would see with the cartel talents Kaghan over about big cartel and so the general the population. They would like that to not be the case. They want us see similar to what we have. I mean I don't know if they want that, but I I did want something better than what they were. Of course like I mean I think they all see that they live and holes right. They all see. You know, I. I think that. Date. They they know what could get. You know how it could be better and how life could be better. You know The cool thing about America is that we know what freedom is and I promise you this, like you want to have all the differences stop if anybody ever invaded us. I mean people don't want to give any

I hope, so they would all start fight. Everybody would get on the same page and start fighting. If anybody tried to come to America 'cause, nobody would want to give up their stuff. Will post nine hundred and eleven. You remember that Those you are younger guys. How old were you at nine hundred and eleven? I was in eighth grade and I always say I would I wish for another nine hundred and eleven, but I would give anything for nine hundred and twelve, I would give anything for a nine hundred and twelve. It was crazy, like people were friendly, so where latin people in and traffic people that bye, American flags were everywhere everywhere everywhere people were proud of America like yeah, it was, it was crazy he was crazy. There cow on Insync, everybody was is hard for people who weren't there on those days. Is to understand the mood of the country. It was a different world like we people with patriotic, like everybody was I don't necessarily remember what it was like before the day: nine, eleven. So eleven. So don't I don't

how much perspective on that, but I do remember nine hundred and twelve, I remember I mean everybody was proud to be Erica. To me I mean it was everybody was everybody was proud of country and who was like a switch had turned it was and in in at the way. It goes, though, like when something tragic. Happens like isn't that the way it goes like like we, we re folk somewhat, really what really matters the differences go away yeah, but we come back to what matters. Well, that's something that a lot of people who experience war have said that this is where they felt the most connected, because their Life was literally in danger and because they knew because they had lost loved ones. To this thing, they had lost brothers to this, thing that this was real and that to this day that is, the most exciting and happiest time of their life. 'cause they were so connected, so

Bastin younger wrote about this in the movie that I look tribe, yeah to read it. I read it it's very good and it probably would speak to a lot of the exact same things that you say, but you know I got I I find the same thing: not the same thing. Obviously 'cause. My life is not in danger, and I hope that I never have to go a day where my life's in danger again- and I find the same appreciation back here in a country that that I love. I I can you know I I I narrowed it down to had to come up with the reason of like why you know I mean it it's hard to sit here and watch the values that you for not for and then the government going give those values back to the Taliban. You know there's this video me and my buddy were laughing about the other day, a base that that he had been on, and he shows me this video and it's like literally the, treadmills that were in the gym there. It's a Taliban guy running on our treadmills, like they left it there and were just like whoa, you know and

and I always think about you know. You get down in the weeds of you start really getting you'll get upset about. You know that I did. I really did did. Did my teammate sacrifice really changer your life like if they had a sacrifice that day would would your life be change like because that's were fighting? For is America? and so I do so. I always looked at it like this and I came to peace with the of you know all we were trying to do anywhere. We went when when I served and I wore the nation's cost like I got to, I think I got the best opportunity. We will. Thank me for my service. I'm like don't don't. Thank me like I You, let me represent America, be the away team for the United States of America, like I got to where the nation's cloth in so many countries, but I always I justify it as all we try need to do no matter whether we were passing out soccer balls to kids or we're going in and providing security for a whale or we were taking

we can. All we were trying to do is make that part of the world that we were in a better place. That's all we're trying to do which trying leave it better than we found it that moment and if we take that same concept and we applied here. And we all go over and do it for the person on the left and the right of us. If we use that same concept, you can apply it here in America every day, every single day you can make this world just a little bit better. There's a lot of people in this country that don't think we should be nation building in other countries and, Uh, including people like Tulsi Gabbert, who served, but then you got people like Dan Crenshaw who I've had on the podcast who do what his perspective is. You have to go over there like that. You can't allow these groups to get more powerful and gain more control. You just can't you can't,

You can, and if not us, then who and the thing is America is a beacon of hope across the world. America is a beacon of hope and you can notice when Americas strong everybody hates us. When am I? because week the world suffers and I'm not saying we need to go in and fight everybody's battle, obviously right like, but on the backside of it. You know we're not necessarily going in and fighting for their countries, but we do have an obligation to go and help people like you, take Syria, when they're, gassing, when they're, gassing, kids and women. If nobody else is going to go send rockets in there, if nobody else is going to hold somebody accountable for it, I'm there there is nobody that serve. It's wearing the uniform that that's not gladly do

doing that and going to hold them accountable, for it has nothing do with anything other than good and evil, and if we don't go fight the evil, then who's going to do it who's going to do it and we don't want the evil to get bigger. You don't want that to get bigger, you don't want the evil to to to pick yes and you don't want the evil to to think that they can, I mean, imagine you see what they're doing right now and I think the world knows that America will come and show up, and you see how they're still going imagine if they didn't have to worry about us doing. Imagine what they would look like. You know. I think you can imagine better than most. That's part of the problem is that you know when you're in Calabasas, you know going into the mall. Getting yourself a fucking. Smoothie doesn't seem real, you know, and you can have all these opinions about what we should be doing.

One that we need to stop these warmongers. We need to stop this and stop that and I've. I've had those opinions myself in the past and gone back and forth and the only thing that's changed my mind. Is I listen to people that actually, no, I think it's one of the most important things you could ever do and don't try to form an opinion if you don't really have any facts and really any real understanding and I've done that in the past to have made those mistakes. But I can tell you this: you know you look at now eleven thousands of people died and then none of them volunteered to give their country for their life that day, except obviously the first responders. You look since nine hundred eleven. Besides a couple of tax, it's been in am liquor, you look since nine hundred eleven everybody that's given their life overseas has volunteered to do that. They volunteered to go fight the evil and

for us to go over there and do that and keep it off the country to keep it out of our country to keep it to where you know our key. It's in our families and in our mothers and fathers, and don't have to worry about this I mean. Obviously I He it happen anywhere, but but I can't think that us being over there and giving them a place to fight us has not helped this country keep from being attacked multiple times. If we had not gone over there, that's a hard pill for people to swallow. They they don't think that, but the one thing the reason why they would attack us is because we're over there yeah. Well, you know what I mean: what what what do you have Why do we get attacked on nine slash, eleven good question? You know like these people hate us just because they hate us like they ok, it's not it's not about you know. I there was that one worker that

said that. Well, we should go over there and get a more jobs and more opportunities, and all these people don't care like these people have they. Wake up every day and and and try to think of a way to kill us like there's? No, negotiating with these people. These people are evil. These people will do nasty things to human beings? That know you couldn't even imagine you couldn't make a video game about. I mean you look at you look at some of the ISIS stuff of what they're doing I mean putting somebody in a cage burning them. You want to be empathetic to that, throwing people because, because of their sexual preference off the tying their hands and legs together and throw him off top of a building, these are the type of people. Do This is the type of evil like did. Did

that we're going after and if we don't do it who's going to do it right who's going to do it? Do you think it's possible that this all could be resolved someday? That may be? If it's, not our children, our children's children, do you think it's possible nope? That's that everybody says that there's that's one of the most disheartening things about any kind of conflict, but I mean, if you look at any of the books that came before us. This is this is what you get this is. This is just part of any at any point in time. There's there's conflict going on, it will never be resolved, it will never be resolved. It will never be resolved.

So it's it's like a maintenance program shoe it's hard for people to swallow right. 'cause people want to think that the reason why I will never be resolved is because the military industrial complex wants to keep us at war, and this is just a big money grab and that's all they're trying to do is the reason why they have us over there as they are sending people over there to die so that they can make money. This is this is how people love to look at it I mean everybody wants to. I think it's just Is everybody wants to find a reason you know everybody wants to. Everybody wants a reason that they can touch, feel and blame like they want something to blame right, Ann. They. You know, there's nothing to blame, except the people who are doing this.

And it exists and it's real, and these are real people, and you know what we're just so lucky that we have an all volunteer military with some of the greatest people. That's ever walked the face of the planet, who are willing to go. Do this who to do it on on mining. Your behalf, I mean how cool is that it's pretty wild when you think about it right, because it it's a cut in complete, volunteer army volunteer, complete, volunteer military. The people are willing to raise their right hand to a piece of paper to an idea of democracy. Go over a put their whole life on hold their wives. Sacrifice I mean you, take military spouses and then they sacrifice. If not more than than the people you know, then then then the veterans in the service members and their there.

Going to go over and fight for my your freedom. They've never met us but they're willing to give their lives for. Like think about this, I I challenge people who are listening to this like whoa. Can you name one thing right now that you're willing to give your life, for I think about that. What would you give your life for right now, like, like somebody, pulled a gun out. You know you're going to die. Would you give your life? For I mean these people want to go. Do it on the idea of democracy on the idea of mean you on the idea of of good it's incredible. It isn't, You, when you signed up how old, were you seventeen seventeen wow had my 18th birthday in boot camp, no shit,

so? You can do that. I didn't know, I don't know. I thought you had to be eighteen now now I graduated high school at seventeen and my dad signed for me. Oh someone can sign for you wow And did you have any other aspirations, or was that something that you knew you were going to do? No, I I see a marine recruiter, Chant told me, I'd, never make it as a marine and sell right. Yeah yeah, like I was walking pussy fucking wrong, yeah, well, yeah key to be as well. I can pick my lunch room like I. I don't have any cool stories like. Oh, I woke up and knew I was going to be a marine like. I was walking through the lunch room and this marine recruiter. Their start, asking him a lot of smart, smart questions and just just know, being a typical high school student and he's like look your waist the time you never make it as a marine and you know look. I was up for the challenge, so I signed up that. So him saying that was what really started yeah. That was it, wow, I didn't even really know what the marine core was before that really what did

you think you were signing up for you know. I just told him. I wanted to go fight, yeah yeah holy smokes. You know but you think about that. Like our whole life is built off decisions. You know our decisions. Control we are today were were were we does curve to be because we made the decisions up to this point like I can hard pill to swallow too yeah. It's variable right, there's, there's some things that are out control. There are, but but a lot of it, but a lot of it. You can't control situations and circumstances, but you can control how you take it. You can control your response. You can control your response growing up like that, I mean you were growing up in combat when you're growing up at eighteen years old, I mean I was a fucking baby when I was eighteen you're growing up in combat.

I did yeah, I guess if you look at it like that, yeah yeah and you are here now, ten years after what we were talking about, and you said it still keeps you up yeah I mean I wake up. You know a couple a couple nights a month and just you know an anxiety attack. Don't I was actually speaking last week, I was on the road, it's the first time. You know I always like I'm always nervous like if in the middle like my daughter, get scared or she she comes down and gets in my bed. Like I'm a is really like nervous about that, because, like I don't I would like he was so. I was so nervous about it because I was just. Gosh. I never want them to see me in that in that that state right in the other day we were on the road I was speaking out in North Carolina and she's, obviously we're in a hotel. So she,

Stand with me- and I I don't know I I didn't feel good that night. So what I did is I put a I put a pillow between this and a gosh. I had. I had one, I'm not my tooth off my not my veneer off like it was terrible and she just looked at me. She's thirty, and she just looked at me, and she said it's okay, that you're not you're, not a bad wow and the three had three and I was like GOSH

do you know but yeah I mean you know you still. I mean this is that's that's why you look at it and I see these people who who plays video games and they they get nothing from like that. There's no emotional attachment to it, and it's like this stuff's real, like there's. Nobody who MA would go out on a limb and say there's nobody who sees the stuff and, and they don't you don't, come back and deal with it like it's, it's a normal process to to being part of not normal situations. What kind of resources are available to you when you do come back like how do they treat people that are suffering from PTSD? And we've got to be careful with that right, because I mean that the last track you want to get on is: is all the the pharmaceutical drugs right like the pills and stuff

when you get on that real quick, the VA is notorious for it. So you know we. What are they trying to give you? I mean I'm klonopin Xanax dannix I've been on of blood pressure. Madison I mean you go down the list right and and I like I went down that I went down that road and, and it got me nowhere. But now you know like were there's tons nonprofits out there, who are doing a lot of great stuff trying trying to help out you Where was one thing that we found out and then actually studies are startin to show that this helps is it's Costello is still going going in block, got Stv's, still gaining block and you get a shot. It goes in your neck. And I'll tell you this like when I got that shot it instantly

before the needle came out of my neck doctor. Sean Mulvaney is the guy. That's put all this together when the needle came out of my neck. It instantly took me from being, like my whole. Life was down Town New York City in rush hour traffic fifteen minutes late to a meeting that my life depended on. It instantly being driving down a quiet country, road with nowhere to be real instantly, and so what is it doing? So? Basically, what it does is. This is how it was described to me and you have like two systems. You have like your hear your automatic nervous system, and then you have your manual right. So your automatic is like your eyes, blinking, breathing things like that you're, manual is like hey. I need to reach over here and grab this bottle of water, and what happens is it fighter flight gets stuck in your automated, like it.

No longer do you say I recognize this as a threat, and now I go into fight or flight. So what it does is you've been in that so long that it gets put over into the automatic side, and so what this does is it's kind of like a You start like it, there's. No nothing that last long and it it it goes in and it it basically. I think it's on this call the sciatic nerve, and it basically gives you a restart. And it just a it took away all minds. I mean it it just it instantly like just melted away. How long does it last so it comes down to me. Sometimes I get one one a year, one every six months, but just comes down to. How do you go back and expose yourself to these chaotic situations,

like do you go, keep making bad decisions, but for me I look at it is like it's a solution to. I call it the Flash Bang of anxiety so like it's that Flash Bang that gives you the moment the separation to wear. Now I can make decisions, then I don't feel like I'm out of control. Now I can. I can make decisions to get get things back together. What is the actual chemical that they're using, I don't know I would have to look he's got in an article about it. That's crazy, that it's so effective, using Stellet, ganglion block to treat post, traumatic stress disorder make that a little bigger Jamie Most of my trust is sore develops in response to being exposed to extreme stress to to to to to to to okay sympathetic, nervous system, fight or flight has been known to play a part in PTSD. It's believed that extra nerves of the system sprout or grow after extreme trauma, wow, leading to elevated levels, levels of Nora

and Ephron and adrenaline like substance, which in turn over activates the amygdala. The fear sent of the brain. This chain of events results in PTSD symptoms that maybe that may persist for years uh I'm so part of the sympathetic nervous system called the stellate ganglion. A collective nerves in the neck seems to control the activation of the amygdala. A recent innovation offers potential and rapidly treating symptoms of PTSD for a prolonged period of time. Placing an anesthetic agent on this day. What gang Leon in an anesthetic procedure called the pellet ganglion block can release the symptoms of PTSD in as little as thirty minutes an for you. It said just a few seconds before the needle is out and last for years the SG, Bb reboots, a sympathetic, nervous system to its pre trauma state similar to a computer reboot in the brain, Epinephrine levels are rapidly reduced and the extra nerve growth is removed. Wow Sgb,

an anesthetic procedure that has been performed since one thousand nine hundred and twenty five and is considered a low risk pain procedure done under x, ray guidance. That's insane they use a so doctor. Sean Mulvaney is the guy. I've been to other doctors, and he Doctor Mulvaney is only guy. I would go to who does it? The way he's got the whole process. He said he was a Navy seal he's a doctor and he does it out of DC and but nobody most people haven't heard of this. You know I've never heard of this yeah it now and it's I went in and he called me the next day and he was like. So how do you feel I said when I caught Self singing in the shower. This morning I got caught my eye. Nothing else out using it? I can't remember, but I was like man I caught myself

yeah like I actually like. I walked other night and into me. You know I got to a point at that point like I got to a low point and I just there was no then like there's nothing in my life. I can complain about like there's nothing that I have discuss she has given me a life that I could have never dreamed that ever have. I have no problems zero and I just woke up every day- and I was just like I just don't want to wake not feeling like this and so he's like come to this come. Do this and I came out there and did it and it changed. It changed my whole life that sounds infinitely better than therapy or talking through it or any any other methods, I've ever heard of yeah. Well, I think all that I think you, I think all that matters. I think that therapy like if you want wanna, go to talk therapy. That's that's good, like you should do that, but I always tell people who go to

therapy like going there with a plan of where you want your life to be like it's like going to a nutrition coach or a workout which in and not giving them goals. Brian, you know, don't go in there just to go in there like going over the plan, yeah hey how and have them help you get that plan, but this this is instantly just like that. Does incredible now now did they did they try to do that in conjunction with medication? Does it just a standalone things? Damn thing, wow stand on things, the only thing I do to help mine and my anxieties like he. He can get bad like now, I'm talking when when enemy say that, like what happens like what's what's the process, you know, I, I usually feel it building up over days, yeah days like it's almost like a like it'll come in, it just builds up and then it's like did it. You have like a little little bit of an anxiety attack or whatever you'll start earnings, I'd you're, anxious and that becomes your new baseline and then it keeps building. People don't recognize it

and for a long time I used to I used to drink a lot, and I didn't because I didn't. I didn't anxiety was I mean? What do you mean? This is how I feel all the time Brian and then Then what usually happens is at night it'll. Just when I go to sleep, hey Door, just little rock me, it'll rock me I'll start throwing up I'll be so now be crying like. I mean I'll, be in the floor now. Are you thinking things when this is happening, or is it just an overwhelming sense of anxiety? Just it's just all and compass, and I just I don't know where it comes from. I mean. Obviously I I know where it comes from the are you thinking about war, whether this happening now? No, I think it just in my subconscious. I think you know obviously brain is always trying to to like when you're asleep, trying to file things and process things, and I think that's what happens is like consciously. You know consciously. It doesn't bother me to talk about it. Like I I went back and when I was in another gunfight four days later and

I mean it literally. I was packing up all my teammates stuff and get ready to go back to fight again and I got into another gun fight, and I think that you know coming home your brains to trying to process all that stuff and I think it happens to anybody you don't have to go to war. You could be in a car wreck. I mean you, look at you. Look at the October first shooting in Vegas. You know what you could you can go through anything right like it whatever it is, I think it's what people are dealing with and it's just, I think, that's why you see so much anxiety across the world is because of all this desensitization consciously and people are processing it subconsciously. Don't make sense.

But it's taking in all this information. I think it's not affecting him at all, but it really is. It is, and I think that's why you see all these people feel like their lives, are out of control and it's because consciously like we're not sitting here talking about it like well yeah yeah, you know I've seen a car wreck the other day or you know so and so died or we don't. I mean, and it's like they're not ever processing it consciously, but their body will sub like your body, will I always say you can either exercise your demons or they're going to exercise. You that's a great way to put it. What do they recommend when, when you I mean do they check on you to see. If you were having anxiety or do you have to come to them and explain it, I mean you just you go to them. Does anybody get through without without anxiety. I, like I, I would worry about the people that got through it without it

You know I mean if you can go, kill people and not do it without nightmares or anything. You know, but I think I think some people do. I mean I think I think people just deal with it different ways. But me you know like I used to drink a lot and and but I was doing it not because I was an alcoholic. I was doing it as a I just tired. Rather I could regulate my drinking better than I could. The effects of what medicine would do to me now do, Marines have a system that they will check on you and make sure you're, okay or guide you into a specific type of treatment when they know there's something wrong. Yeah yeah, but you know the problem is for all these warfighters is like they don't want to talk about Airtel the Marine corps because then there you know your or the military I'll just say, military wide? You know they they look at. You is well now. This person cannot

everybody everybody's too worried to talk about this because they're afraid of not being able to do their job because they're afraid that nobody will look at them and say: oh well, you got PTSD, so you don't need to sign in and it's like, you know, most people that have PTSD our car wreck victims, that's the biggest source of PTSD. You can, you can go and see the biggest source. Ptsd is correct victims, while was probably those rent, a tons of yeah. So when you do have an issue, how how do you go from having an issue to getting treatment? What's the process you mean, if you, if you, if you tell your commander, mean you know, there's there's all types of resources there I mean you know, but you have to speak out yeah. That's the problem right! That's a problem! Nobody wants to talk out because you know you start talking, then you know how quick your job going to be gone.

You know I got out, I was out before you know. I was out so fast after after all this happened. I was out you know it's seven, eight months Afterwards- and I didn't realize what was going on until I probably never started deal with my ptsd until two thousand and sixteen you know I just I thought this was just normal. What made you change my daughters, my daughters, I can remember the day I was in a house actually the floor, like just having anxiety attack like crazy, and I was like I gotta- do something I've had. I do something because my daughters, they deserve the best father possible like they they had

choice income in this world- and you know I might not want to- I might not want to deal with it and face it for myself, but I I they deserve for me to wake up every single day and give them the best father that that they could possibly have been and that that is my spots. Ability to them is that when you first got the shot, this block sign up, get near and two thousand and seventeen two thousand and seventeen. I think- and I didn't know anything about it until you know once I found out about it, I did. How did you find out about just another warrior that had gotten it and it worked for them? Wow, and I also use I use. I use three methods to maintain all of it. I use, the stellate ganglion block, which is kind of when it gets real bad I'll, go get that that's like the whole reboot right, for maintenance. I usually use it's called alpha, stim and so.

It goes on your earlobes. I've heard that and quit smoking with that. Right, I don't know, I don't know what that's for usually for pain, anxiety, depression but I use I use an alpha stem and it goes I put on clipping all my ears and it like usually do it every day and it just it melts it melted away. As well and then the last pieces- and this is not obviously and in our community is probably not the popular side of it is, Is- is using a of a pen at night, yeah yeah yeah. Do you see b d? So it's the it's the it's the indica Mmhm and that, like that, pretty much eliminate all my drinking Really. Why is that not popular? I don't know, I think it's kind of like still like the taboo right, like the town I come from. They just made alcohol legal in it. What a few years ago, Johnny from Columbia, Kentucky

it's crazy. They just made alcohol legal yeah. Wow does a good place to study that's like a kind yeah. Well, you know you like, if you, if you do, if you, if you make it legal, the bootleggers about a business right? Oh, ok, it's Duquesa, Hazzard style, that's crazy! Wow! They just read alcohol, legal holysh, so yeah vape pens are out of the question, show with a pot leaf t shirt, they'll shoot you all this thing, yeah, that's so crazy! It's yeah! It's a it's a weird taboo, but that that combination to like in got. It helps a lot of veterans. Yeah then, because it's it's, you know, you hear you take like two three three pasta: that management compound out you'll, wake up with a hang over right says the cool part. It's a different kind of sleep and of sleep has some great benefit

for people as well in alleviating anxiety, a lot of people like to use the two of them in conjunction no, but at least it's good that that's available to you. Where are you living these days? I live in Austin, ok, so you can get it there, even if it's legal, it's not legal right, it's not yeah, but it's still there still, there austins filled with it. Is the weirdest place in all of Texas right. They are they're keeping it weird. They can definitely keep it, but it's a weird combination, because it's like hippies but there's also a lot of guns. Yeah like it's like yeah, you know, I mean it's like a hunting culture and a second amendment culture and there's like a lot going on there and then hippies. It's like you want to it's like it's like people wearing Fanny packs with gun, Yes right now, yeah

and yeah. You see a guy with a pack in Texas Assume, yes, sir, we assume he's carrying a different animal Arizona's, even we're like Arizona as well as open, carry states right, yeah, you can just have it on. You have to go to the supermarket yeah. I am currently out whatever yeah right. You know that that you know, when you, when you carried on your hip and go supermarket, I mean that's obviously the first person that that that they would shoot they should shoot right right right like ok, well, I know he's armed. So, let's let's go ahead and make sure we yeah right. I think people think of it as a deterrent, but sometimes deterrents were also attractants, absolutely yeah. Well, at least you can get a vape pen there. You know, while you're in town, I suggest you stock up this place is really where he's got it everywhere. California got too much. Did you just read about the company? That's that's got a bunch of fucking pesticides and shit in their stuff

pesticide yeah they just tested it. They just tested some shit that we used to have in the studio, but Jamie went throw it out. That's the real, proud and with this is wild wild West out here and you're in less you testing things on a regular basis. You be selling something I had a guy named John Norris, who wrote a book called the hidden war, and the book is all about. He was game warden and during his normal duties, like looking for making sure the people aren't over fishing or hunting without a license that kind of stuff they started. Finding these cartel grow ops and these cartel gr cops are extremely. The weed that they're putting out is extremely dangerous 'cause. It's got these super toxic pesticides to keep animals away and keep bugs away.

So they're putting the ship on lead, then that stuff winds up getting to the hands of people, particularly in other parts of the country where it's illegal and it's just filled with pesticides, and you know you get sick from that stuff from people in your real sick. From terrified Jim yeah, so they had a pitcher's solvent next direction or some, let me see- obviously it's ok, so California vape maker, cushy punch caught making illegal Prada dunked on this is in what is the website here is a silly silly. So it's like a weed website. We'd have that website so, as I say, the tip, what consumer affairs, Sir, to warm up to buy a tip investigators at the California Department of Consumer affairs served a search warrant Thursday October, the third in a light and uh real space. Nw Las Jules Canoga Park District. That's over here they found

legal cannabis product manufacturing, operation, apparently operated by cushy punch. A legal state license. Company authorities seized the number of finished products, including gummies, in the cushy punch packaging and display Sybil vaporizers in cushy, vape packaging and photos obtained by leave. The facility appeared to be performing metro, solvent extractions, where a technician concentrates. Active ingredients in cannabis. Thc h, solvent extracting is legal with a permit in California. The extra Action method can sometimes have the effect of concentrating pesticides along with the thc, but it says it's legal hold on scroll back up Jamie get a part, did it was legal, so it is legal with a permit in California. So the problem was they didn't have a permit. I think maybe this place that they went to didn't, have a permit cannibals vape cartridges seized downtown Sanford,

no valley facility appeared to be in the business of putting those extracts into professional. Looking thc foo foods as well as disposable, vape pen cartridges, tall file, cabinets help, thousands of boxes of cushy, vape pens and cushy punch. Edibles I don't understand this 'cause. It says if it's legal source familiar with cushy, you punch, use the adult use licensee of maintaining two facilities, one licensed and one black market, okay leaf. He is granting the sources request for anonymity Baba blah blah. I could have actually been used using the packaging, maybe two to package some stuff that was well. It seems like they have one license at one place and the other place not source alleges. Cannabis that tested clean, went through is. She punches license facility and into the license. Supply changes. Source also says the cannabis might fail. This they'd stringent pesticide standards went to the Elise

Extraction lab pen factory? Ok, so some of it, but it doesn't say it did fail. It says they are using. So they were using untested black market. Oil is heavy in pesticide know, yeah yeah, yeah things got tested. I don't know what was federal legalization solve all this shit, that's what they should do. Legalization and nationwide standards, you know make it will make it so it's it's stupid to grow illegally yeah. You know I make it for it's, not a. He was a great south park. Episodes watch about this is hilarious. The new one yet yeah with the mad mexican Joker, see that one- and I heard I heard they're going up. So it's a really good this year it's fucking hilarious. They this guy gets pissed because other people are growing. We gotta weed operation and he's given people, feed in every is happy and selling weed and doing great, but then people are growing their own weed and he gets furious. So you stole my fucking idea is like you

can't grow weed. What I thought I was gardening, the you. It's I mean that is the problem. It's fucking! It's easy to grow, weed! Yeah! There's the mexican joker. The problem is that different part of the episode. The beach story was that Cartman called ice on on his friends because he just like you, found that you could just call ice and like have people suspected, so he called John Kyle and Head Kyle, fucking arrested and his whole family arrested. It's such a fucking, fly in their car, and the car may got arrested himself. It was so ridiculous with what they were worried about. Was one of the mexican kids growing up to become the mexican Joker taking like into telling everybody, so they had like like an ice age,

I'm giving away a lot of spoilers it's worth, seeing though it's fucking homeland, so funny it's just so ridiculous, that's funny, which is just so ridiculous when you find out like but you can grow your own weed, that's the point, but you can't legally federally and you should be able to it's fucking stupid, stupid. Well, when it helps apps and firemen and first responders and soldiers, and helps a lot of people men and look at how much money we spend trying to fight it. Yeah yeah! That's the problem, though. There's a business and trying to fight it, but yeah like the prison guard unions. They always fight against it. There's a lot of people actually fight against legalization, which is it's pretty an american thing to do at that restaurant that just opened up in Hollywood. You can smoke weed out now that, can go fuck itself and not going anywhere near that place.

Smoke, a little weed at home go to a regular god. Damn restaurant I want to go to restaurant people zoned out of their fucking minds, everybody at the fuck. Imagine I can everybody I can't imagine. The conversations are probably real stupid. Everybody forgets where they're talking about these are rookies You can't be smoking that much we with rookies showing up at these buildings. You got restaurants fill with people, smoking Gee, that's a recipe for disaster. They have to make you order before you smoke. Oh, my god, yeah, but not with that. After you smoked like wow who fuck order pizza bitch, you order pizza So I don't remember what you order ten minutes ago, as public places like people are used to getting drunk in public there to go, go to bar. You can have a couple of drinks, you're, fine right, two, three drinks, you're, fine you're, just you with a little tipsy you're fine, but you can have a fucking.

I spiral expired. You have a pot edible at some establishment move. Also people lose their marbles. We got some rookie from out of town like comes over from South Dakota, can't believe you guys have free weed. What is that was an achievement you and they choose that in an hour later that you try to peel them off the ceiling like like what in a jayco. The fucking guys still high, is forty. Eight hours later, I don't know what's going room for that in the back yeah big padded room like like, like like, like the drunk tank at jail, but you have like you had this off music. They just play the carpenters and then just burn inside it's for you and just try to bring you down slow down, you're going to be fine, but I'm not yeah. It's it's too risky. Like I restaurants, where people are there straight everybody's fine order, a steak, regular restaurant people are getting loaded.

Those two, though, before they go getting drunk, but I for some reason I feel like that. Doesn't bother me as much as I used to it. Yeah yeah, that's true! Just used to it. Like do you member, when you were a kid when you first got drunk like how how old, when you first got drunk, we you in the military when you got out hi how's that was long before yeah, but remember when you first try it. You don't first of all no one's there with you, it's not like you're dad or your uncle is going here. You have two shots, that's it no you're drinking with your friends and I don't know how far to go. So I remember throwing up in the cab. I was drinking Jack Daniels with my friends were listening to music and I remember I was land I was like in a bean bag, us fourteen, as lane is being back looking up in the whole, the world spinning out like this is ridiculous. I gotta get out here, and I called a cab to take me home and I threw up in the cab was like, oh my god, I didn't know how to do it. I didn't know how to do it. Nobody taught

to do it now. It is one up figuring out with you for and you're just lucky. If you don't drink yourself to death, is just luck. If your luck, yeah, I fourteen probably one hundred and thirty four pounds drinking like a fish, had no idea what I was doing. You know probably had five six drinks plastered plastered. That's terrible but we're used to that by the time work you go. It was some of the twenty eight. If they don't know how to drink, get rid of them. Don't hang out with them. You know. I'm when I first moved to LA. I was like twenty seven I want to date with this gal first day was great. Second day I met her at a bar and when I met her there she was Shesha shipped faced. Just should stumbling off the fucking like off the stool. Couldn't keep your shit together, drop the glass broke. Was like I'm outta here. I left her at the bar this. So you, yeah. That was the glorious days when no one had cell phones beautiful time to be alive. Yeah.

Should I call my house good luck, bitch. She didn't have a cell phone very few people at cell phones in ninety four. You know very few people this Nobody I mean I had one. I had a Motorola Startac looks like big fat boy. Last, like few talk on at four thirty minutes for ran out of batteries. An antenna, you pulled the antenna up, click click. Remember those things. Do you thought you were captain those bad boys yeah? I was six yeah yeah man ninety four we're six hundred and six yeah. That's when I first moved here: click click, hello. You hold it up here. Like the detachable battery, you get the fat battery, you get an extra forty, it's a talking. Did you keep it? Would you keep it? How do you carry it around? I don't remember. I probably have one holsters on the side. 'cause it's too thick for your pocket, can't keep that fucking fat pastor in your pocket yeah. I remember when the razor phone came out. Everybody was like holy shit where, in the future to credit card,

talking on a credit card, that was the shit that little thing so small. But then that was like six minutes of talking. Razor yeah that thing and nobody had accord you couldn't like it wasn't like today, Ok, you got a charger like most people have iphones or androids. It's either usb C or it's lightning. Most people have charger somewhere right, yeah, especially iphones in America, back. Then. If you didn't have a charge, your fucked, you can go to Nobody has a God, Damn cable at a restaurant, for your fucked up cell phone. It didn't exist, it didn't exist, People didn't even have cell phones to like two dot org. When did you get a cell phone for the first time, seventeen or eighteen, my senior high schools like two thousand? yeah two thousand ish around there. I had one in ninety four well actually had one in eighty eight I had one that was a

my car is like the box. The little box had to court on it, yeah well, sort. It was actually bolted into the car. It was in the center. Like look dope like a pep, he drive my little Honda Crx and it was like right there in the middle of the seats like the phone, but it would help because uh I used to get gigs because, like booking is a if someone couldn't make a gig or they needed that so many fell out. I got sick they'll call me. I actually had a phone, so is it? The car they'd call me up, and I got a number of gigs, because I had this fucking cell phone here in the right age, where you had pager code Oh yeah, you know at the pager was Joey Diaz forever deep in the 2000s and it would if he old people money or if we didn't like talking to me, just throw us page or way. I got a new page of dog. You just lose their page and you can never get ahold of it. He had a call you back, so he can call you back from just random

phone. You know I'm going to the pager pager with that. But then what happened was some people got pagers that could send text messages since at first they expanded it to like you could get sports updates for summer. Like everyone sport scores all day long? I paid extra five bucks a month, but I remember I was at the comedy store in the back kitchen area and one of the people that work there had a page was a comic. I don't remember, but they had a pager with a keyboard. I like what the fuck is that, like you, could send people messages, my name so like yeah like if you're at a club, you can send him a message and they could know where you were. I was like that is crazy, like that's great you're, sending messages- and I remember thinking I should probably get one of those, but then I never got around to doing it, but people were they had pager. This is what, before everybody had cell phones, they had pagers that you could type messages on that blood. Venn diagram bleed over into the next help. Oh yeah, walkie, talkies Eddie. Bravo had one of those very close time period. I would

give him shit. I might you have a phone. Why the fuck? Would you put a walking talking on a phone of phones better than a walkie talkie like? Why not put some screens on how you know have a signals, this is smoke signals in your phone. It's a fucking phone. It's a phone yeah, you don't have to say over a phones, better, you have to say over. You know, I don't think you could. Only one person can talk at the time and the other thing about the walkie talkie was. I was like you can someone, listen, do you have to press the button or could someone just listen? That was the concern like you know like, Your girl could call you and just listen. You're talking shit with your friends and she could just do dude. I had a thought the other day too. This is a 90s thing. Maybe you might remember this too, when you turn on your home self wireless phone? Sometimes you just hear your neighbors talking, oh yeah, they couldn't hear you, you just listen to it

Yes, so I live that we didn't have neighbors close enough, I remember that clearly, when I was living in an apartment, I heard the neighbor talking to like a sock but I would hear their whole conversation that was like you picked up on there. You're frequency the wireless got yeah. That was look bad. There was no wind. Option back there, either them via hacker who devil antenna. Yeah those days simpler days, but these people for the most part we're talking to each other face to face to face. That was The vast majority of communication was face to face now, I would venture to say it's flipped on its head in the vast majority of communications, probably through text messages. One hundred percent I mean take messages emails. I mean people. Build their own reality. Now, right like I can. Never you never to look at me and I can build my own reality through Instagram face Look to all social media, I mean literally, I can build my own filter life. I like can be filtered sure like

people, don't want to look in the mirror of unfiltered realness yeah yeah. They do want to be in a bubble, communicate with people. That of like minded views, make their own reality. Yeah. You know it is it is. Extremely strange time when it comes to the way people communicate with each other and there's no accountability. Right like you, you communicate through those things like you can say, whatever you want, there's, no accountability, there's no accountability for for what you say to people for, for you know the you talk to people There is no accountability, because I can just hide behind a computer screen. I can hide behind a screen. I can hide behind my instagram profile. You can't you can't find me, you can't see me. You know how people can, like your posts like to put a little heart. Like you, post imagine if they give you electric shock, like Father people, people thought you were, there's like a little lightning bolt next to the heartless guys, a dick

I'm glad they don't, because in that I'd probably get more than we all would probably be dead, very shocked to death. I mean imagine if someone could just reach out and shock you anytime. They want that, be terrible. You fucking terribly terribly, but I mean the emotional pain that people cause anytime. They want where they could just reach out and say something terribly. Specially people through anonymous account. That's the worst like people, you're saying this to like they're real people. Yes, the real people like that, the people that your judge, the people that you're that you're sizing their lives Media chooses to put out there like that they're real people going through real problems to do you think that you have. This is gonna, be a crazy question, but do you think you have more of an appreciation for life because you've taken life? I think that I have more frustration for people in life, because I have seen.

I have seen what suffering looks like I felt suffering like when I look at people and people have their problems and they come to me or they they they you know hey. They tell me their experience, you know I don't try to compare the experiences. I guess not a it's, not a game, it's not a it's, not a you know, it's not a it's, not content, not a contest. I try to look at them and when they tell me their experience, I just instantly go to gosh like I know this person suffering. How can I help them get through it, because I know what that feels like and that's where I can. You know I try to relate to people on that level of not that not the experience because the I look at people yeah my day. It sucked people gone through way way. Worse million times worse, you know you look at

You know sexual assault, victims, you look it. You know you look at domestic violence victims, but I feel like they've gone, do way worse than I could ever experience right, like they've gone through just to stuff in their PTSD. Easing AIDS is astronomical, but it's like we can all find a way to relate on that empathetic side of gosh you're going through something like. Let me help you get through that like. If I can help you get through that one, I wanna help you get through that and I think that I've I know what it's like to suffer and I've seen suffering at such extreme levels. Then I appreciate I just wanna help people I want to change the world What do you do with your days most of time these days, hello? So I do a lot of public speaking my work with I work with hiring our heroes with helping veterans transition bag, getting getting jobs, Toyota

and you know I'm awesome. Launching a website on on the dash on the dash is kind of like it's kind of like my it's, my brand of of what I believe and of owning your dash dash dash. We mean by that so Linda Ellis wrote a point. It's called the dash, and so he talks about you know your tombstone. You have the day you're born and the day you die, which it to the most insignificant days of your life. They're both the only two days in your life that are twenty four hours. But what matters is that dash in between and you don't have, control of the day, you're born of or the day you die, but you have control of what that dash looks like and how you make people. Feel and how they're going to remember you today that you're gone. You have that control every day, and so I'm all about owning your dash on your dash dash, be the best you don't try to be the best somebody be the best you wake up everyday and and put it all on the table and put it into making people's lives better,

and so I'm I have some lunch this site to where it's like it's helping people. Powering people to owning their dash to being ok with being the best deal. I think people want to be the best MI. Think people want to be positive. I just I think people have anybody showing him how to do it. I think there's a lot of truth to that. I think there's a lot of people that are frustrated because they really don't know how to live life in a positive way and they're spinning their wheels. Too many people are out there, people out there throughout their surviving instead of succeeding to just surviving- and he said Toyota with higher for heroes. Toyota heroes, Is that yeah? So I teamed up with Toyota when I got out Mean Toyota has been they, they ever bites. Welders just been so incredible, but we

I think up a Toyota in the Us Chamber of Commerce, and so we built this platform that it's a resume engine. So basically it helps veterans translate what they did in the military to what corporate you know what corporations are looking for, and so Toyota sponsors this that's awesome yeah. So that's most your time is these speaking engagements and then I have a canvas company flipside canvas, so we to do digital art, and we also that's why you're asking about the images that we have so we have flip side cam. So we do digital art and we put it up on different media type. So we do infused metal. We do canvas, and we also do floated. Did we order those things already. I was that's why it has perfect talk to that will do to you yeah now we're getting a bunch of made right we're about to just now now office yeah we're doing three percent percent. We love it. You know. So I do that and then also you know we just

I was telling you earlier. You know we just launched discipline, go with taco right. I've got a signature. Flavor coming out called back savage. Oh, so this is John, because Energy drink yeah we're just talking about this Josh, not of of God. I think that might have to do so. He drinks tea drinks like herb tea. If you could just bottle up Johns energy walls right, if you could his bottle of Jack of Energy and pass it out, he's an interesting do, but the world's better that he's alive people like that, first of all days there are tremendous source of information, inspiration, an information but inspiration particularly important, because he leads by example, and when he does with his life what he does with his days. You know like he took an image the other day on his instagram of the sunset, and it's like this is finite. You know, go get it go! Get a dollar a few of these

no, you don't get many and he does it so simple too right, yeah, like everything it ain't, complicated yeah did simple. It's to the point we played his video good. I played it probably fifty fucking times this podcast 'cause. I love it. So it's a video. Where he's talking about his response to anything that goes wrong good. Is it here's a chance to grow good? It had learned, you know and there's like this video and it's so intense, because it's so There's, there's great music and animation to in the videos on Youtube. Literally watched it a hundred times, yeah that I got you know when I get my hardest times. I guess what I watch. I watch that good video, like it's done so much for me, the video is amazing. It's amazing like it just it just puts in perspective. It's like. I don't know what is it two minutes, long yeah and it like that? Two minutes you just if you're driving down the road like you just want to cap,

or do you want to take your windshield out like that? Do it it's like you. Do this its fuel, its inspiration, I mean it makes your fucking hackles raised up, gives you goosebumps if you want to go it makes you want to go, it makes you just want it just makes you want to go. That's why guys like taco TIM Kennedy and David Goggins, and these fucking dudes that are out there that divide so much inspiration, iron coggins. He said that he did the one the other day he out running, and he said I don't know how I'll slaughter it, but he goes. You know he goes it's hot out here and he goes this guy. I pulled up to me and he said, Something about you know why you run is so hot he's like you know, we need doctors, we need all and we also need hard mother when he fucking

we did. Our mother fucking sends me random text messages out of nowhere because there's so ridiculous, 'cause he's so fucking savage but he means it like. He send you these text messages, and I guess I'm just randomly. I right. Here's one no need to respond, hope all well brother. Continue to live in the grip of life. As you know, nothing gets done by being a bitch stay hard brother. This is a random David Goggins text messages it's Tuesday, I'm at home, just watching tv or something I get this message like what the FUCK Jesus Christ, and you know he's L. There is probably one hundred and fifteen degrees outside he's been running for eighteen hours, stay stay hard, oh yeah yeah guys are a massive source of inspiration. They are. They are. Then you know what like

I just love 'em, all so much because they're real, like they're, just they're real, like it's, not an act, it's not a performance. It's not It's not a show. It's not! You know they're, just they wake up everyday. I expect you know Jocko, like yeah wakes up every day, TIM Kennedy. I mean these guys just wake up every day and live everything that they say: yeah and Jocko wakes up every day and take picture of his fucking watch. He doesn't like four hundred and thirty bitch here we go. That's not not? The way that you know somebody like me would do it is like I would take like ten of 'em ten album one day and then I would put him on hoot suite and they would come out on the top one day you wake up at four hundred and thirty, that's just not just that, but they crush it and that's why the world needs the world needs them. They the world, does and also people with the kind of experiences that they've had had yeah they're

their inspiration means more. You know, there's a lot of people out there given inspiration. They haven't done when get inspiration from someone that you know is living and every God. Damn day you know push and every God damn. Hey pushing everyday in like finding like you know. They got every reason to to not do it, but they always find the reason to do it. Yeah Jogos really gotten into bow hunting now, which is how's it going with them. It was great: well, wasn't: hunting with him. I was in camp with him. He was hunting with my friend John Dudley who's, who coached me and his head meanies, coaching coached jocko to his first Elk and you know so, but we all got to share camp and talk. We did a podcast together, it's a

noble on knock on our tree and it's also available on my brother in the stops podcasts, which is cleared hot hello kitty. I love into his shirt. He was into in camp as well, and we we were there for five days in Utah. We had a great time was awesome. That is awesome. It's gorgeous up there, man, God it's so be call 80s in Austin. Do too he's crazy, he's legitimately crazy and anybody who has the world record for the longest flight suit in one of them flying squirrel. Fucking suits that guys out of his face. King mine, but he doesn't do the flying squirrel suit anymore. He doesn't know no. I had a buddy dye which had several but on a one to many of, believes and and base. Jumping is a bunch of friends. Die. Did a quick measurement, yes still skied, having no more base jumping, which was kind of you guys got I've a lot too. So I love it. I don't kind of I mean I'm not nowhere near Just don't do that looks like a ridiculous thing to do. I don't get it, but I was

a hot air balloon recently, as close as I get skydiving yeah yeah you, you wouldn't do it come on, I'm I'm definitely would do it, but I don't want to. I want to jump out of a God Damn plane. I wouldn't do it. If, if I had to do it, I would do it you volunteer to do it just some crazy thrill, we're almost going to die and then we landed who don't you feel better that it died. Oh, I can imagine la lie in bed and close my eyes and pretend I'm jumping out of plane. He I'm good. If you're, good yeah, but Andy like that's an enough he's got to get in that God. Damn squirrels and then fly close to close to all those you know, calculate that shit wrong? If you don't know every God, Damn nuans of the surface of the earth or just like the wind, oh yeah,

yeah! Well, how about that I mean there was one that we played on this podcast, that's horrendous, where a guy was trying to bridge the gap through the Golden Gate Bridge and he slams into the brain. All these people are watchin- oh, oh, my god, oh my god and the sound off when it hits the bridges like a car accident. That sounds terrible. Oh my god. It's so terrible because you realize that people are realizing this guy's going to hit the bridge because he just you know you're floating yeah. It's not like you have like controls, you just kind of guessing. It's like you, guess wrong,

slammed right into the side of the bridge. It's horrific yeah! If it's all about guessing, then I'm I'm not usually get yes, things known, not interested Ma'Am, the one of the greatest you just you guys of all time holes Gracie, he he died of skydiving nice guy to what's it called. What's it called when you're on the the thing paragliding yeah, the you know, the triangle thing flying around those things the site also and he died slammed into a mountain yeah. I would suck yeah yeah. But again sees God, damn savages. It can't get enough. Adrenaline, hi andy! I love it. I love Amy at and he's like hi by. Him for me getting into it. You know he got. I was interested in it and I did it. I love it though I love it now he's got a couple of friends of mine into it. God damn psycho,

He thought I keep. He told me told me, though, that I can't he said no base jumping. He did tell me that he's like no building up and he's like you, don't don't don't be base, jumping yeah that one doesn't work out all the time it doesn't does it now. No, this times doesn't work out. When does workouts terrible down it's easy yeah. I just I get it, but those things those cheap thrills. You know it seems like a cheap through So I get it I get it. I mean, I'm not tell anybody, they shouldn't do it. It definitely should be legal. I'm not saying it should be illegal. You should be able to do it for or you should do it that so you're, not even on the fan though not interested, now come on what else you do with time. These days

I see it raising my daughters, you know I got two and three year old. There awesome, that's always fun. Yama flying my helicopter. You got a helicopter yeah. I got holy shit. My buddy, my buddy TIM Tim introduced me to a guy named Shane Steiner, and he got me into yeah, I mean flyin, so I love it like I'm addicted to it. I love it. If it makes my life a lot easier mean it also, whenever I you know, if I go to Dallas or Houston, it's it's a difference in me getting her. On that day versus me staying another night and not being able to wake up in the same house as my kids right. So it's I love it. I love it. That's pretty cool man! I've been up in a before. I was in I'm in Hawaii of phone. I'm

when you do the tour, the volcanoes and then recently my friend bill. Burr he's gotten really in the flying helicopters, and he took me up. We flew around downtown LA and all was crazy. We went around Malibu after the fires to we should see it from the surface for from the sky. Rather, you get a totally different perspective like how bad the damage was, but yeah he loves it. He flies all over the place. I love it now. I love it seems like a lot of fun. Yeah you come to. Austin will fly around fuck that fly with you for sure how long you been doing it for a couple weeks after weeks now I should be taking my I should be taking so If I do anything, I did miss you you. Buy this thing. You bought a plane holy shit. Yeah, I mean helicopter. That's ultimate freedom, though right. Oh, my gosh, where the hell you want, you can land in a small area yeah like sometimes you just you're, flying over your flying over the

Lake Travis and just like eight to ten. Off the off the water. Like the other Shane right there. In today's birthday actually have birthday, that's pretty dope. That was the day is that I did my first solo. Oh wow, the first. How far do you fly So basically, you just go up into three take off and landing, so that's his helicopter over there. So how okay, the red, when the background yeah we're starting we're. Sorry helicopter club, you know really yeah, these angels? Have you ever been hello, hunting? The I have I have to have you yeah I've watched the TED Nugent, there's a a show that they did call the poor calypso. Now the poor he's saying it said should I hanging out of a helicopter gun down these wild pigs, people don't know is really a necessary evil, because these wild pigs in Texas, in particular, they've all run the state there. It is

had a pork is so ridiculous that he's just taking amounting to think I mean so many of them yeah. It has to be done. It does have to be done. He said it's crazy. The video is, God, damn crazy. He had a scene, reload, sh and they're just got in these pigs down from the sky and that's doing to talk. Brian Quoc goes pig man that he's got a a show called pig man. Yes, in the same type helicopters arm thing it's r, forty four, there is a crazy video man. It's so crazy fill all of whom they shot. I think something like two hundred and fifty hogs in a day- oh my god, just flying around gunning him down. That's a lot of bacon lot of barbecue that is

yeah they'd surround them up and they they actually feed the homeless with them. The the thing about pigs is their destructive in their terrible in their terrible for the ranches they're terrible for these farms, but they're damn delicious. They are so few, especially those with the wild ones, actually taste better than domestic picks itself. Far superior meat but it's got a lot of time, so you get to him and they're all nasty. I eat up with stuff that can happen to you. You know effective infected like 'cause. They eat everything. But they'll come in like a bagel tear up like it's crazy. How Yes, they reproduce right, like. I think I think it's like a pig gestation less. So I think if there pig is porn? I don't know how long it is when they, when they, after they, you know they they have their first litter like it's like every. I don't know six months or if it's six because I don't know what they think they can have their first litter at six months and then I think it only takes them like. I don't know how it is. But, like usual,

after they have their litter they're pregnant the next day. That's crazy, you think, there's a soldier stationed why they reproduce so much right and that's the problem with them over. You know they're they're everywhere and take the everywhere in California now to there in San Jose in people's front yards chewing up their grass and stuff, and there are all over the place man. What do they do? They do about him out here in the front. Well, you can hunt from the place from hunting Elk. You can hunt pig, cysts, home ranch and others. You know, and northern California mean it's a famous place, We're Hunter Thompson used to hunt with a k, forty seven seats to go out and hunt pegs as a a famous picture of him with a a pig hanging from a rope that he's he's quarter. You know in getting it so awesome, yeah, it's they were brought to California by William Randolph Hearst, believe it or not, really yeah in Hurst Palace up there and Hearst Castle, and he wanted to bring about

wild animals up there. So you had all these wild animals running around on his lawn, and some of them were russian boars so he brought over these russian boars and sows and they bred and now all of the ice there they are particularly n in California. They get about. As far are s is Bakersfield the Bakersfield area, but eventually they prob to make their way to the San Fernando Valley, they'll, probably link up your right. Just keep going and link up in Texas, probably you know: well there fucking everywhere man they're going to people, don't if you've never seen it before you let people on the outside like oh. Why would you want to shoot pigs if you just saw the kind of devastation and millions and millions of dollars worth of property damage every year. As farmers and for farmers like they're, on a tight margin as it is, you know if you're, a farmer or rancher you trying to grow crops, it's tough to make a living and your? You know. You got to worry about whether everything else much less pigs, millions of

six, two millionth yeah. I mean people like wait, a minute, millions, exaggerating, no millions. I think they estimate what is find out this. What's the number of wild hogs estimated in Texas, just in Texas alone, I would bet, let's take a guess. I must say it: four million I'd go higher. I go fifty five. What does it say? Jamie one point, five! No, they don't know shit, liberal God, damn hippies. Is that that's what it says: Texas government website, Texas government, the corrupt yeah, the government. You can't believe it can't believe. Well, we were a little more yeah. We were a little off, also TED Nugent's out. There is pro, probably fifteen million if it wasn't for him. Ted Nugent he's he's awesome for his these it interesting cat I enjoyed talking to him. I had him on the podcast and a lot of people he's up poll

Verizon character. You know, but then I don't think people understand him. He talked to him he's actually a very good man, but this is a good guy. He's got this outrageous side to him. He says a bunch of outrageous shit, but that's also part of the way he gets attention for some of the things that he believes it. I don't think it's bad guy at all I mean you gotta make a statement to get pay attention right, yeah, and also you got to realize that this guy's been fighting the same fight for a long time in regards to hunting rights for a long long time back when people didn't really have the the same information that they have today like now, Today, people can understand, like conservation is actually very important, and it's in to remove certain numbers of the population, these animals and also the money they you spend on these tags and on hunting since isn't even on gear, a percentage of that goes towards protecting habitat and none the hiring game wardens and it's a it's a very efficient system and it's it's a system. That's actually man

by wildlife, biologists, yeah yeah. It's a I mean in the system that you know very managed. You know I like just like Alaska like their get their game words up there I mean it's in like if you you know, if you kill the most, you you faced with the wrong thing. You know the wrong hook, yeah. I that's more important than this. You know, if somebody I guilders You know what somebody told me, though, which is interesting. You know they have that game. Wardens tv show and there's like a show about game wardens, and our son is telling me that game warns Alexis some unscrupulous K mourns are actually setting guys up just so they could be on the shelves really yeah that they're trying to set up stings and set up these things just so they could be on the shows they might even be in trapping people. They I know like where I was from like they would put this deer out, like that. You know you. If you get in trouble shoot you know if you can't shoot from the road

right right right and they put it very well but right. But if hammer on it a good film people trying to kill it yeah, that's hilarious. Yeah get you yeah! I had to watch out, get watch out for Robo Deer yeah make sure the a real deer yeah moves its head shit. It does I've seen that thing, it'll, move and stuff, and they put it out in the field like where, like people drive by and they see it in the and well, you know on one hand a MIKE that's where, as the other hand, poachers yeah so good yeah. You know good out there doing. Rather doing that's, not that's not fair, right, crazy, too and crazy know they. So many people out there that don't follow the rules that are out there. Shooting animals are not supposed to. You know, there's a reason why have have many animals because they they have the stringent set of rules, they want you to follow you can get a tag for two animals: great, that's what you're allowed to get you get to animals, that's it and if you get four five

have any storm in your freezer and not let anybody know your criminal and you're part of the problem, and if everybody did that There would be no animals left and that's really what this country had at the turn of the century. When market hunting was full swing they mean almost wiped out. Black bears almost wiped out white tailed deer almost wiped out Elk to this day. Elk in this country are only in a small percentage of the population that these, including grizzly, bears small percentage of the place where they used to be. California is, with God, Damn grizzly bear as its state flag is grizzly bear on the flag. There's no fucking grizzlies. Here they whacked him all they killed everyone of am, but he did that because they were killing people, the last guy that killed by Grizzly Bear was in uh, I think is, I think, from Steven Leveque and there's a town named after him when you're headed up north on the way to Bakersfield is a town called Leveque. That's what I got guy

whacked, say, name town after this, the last place where person got killed by Grizzly, Bear in California. They just Honda Mall down like enough got, got rid of all of 'em. That's awesome. Have you ever been the Grizzly bear in real life, not a grizzly bear I've seen Brown bears black bears. Well, brown bears a grisly yeah, the same thing it was. It was a color fares, black bear yeah, but I had within it in there like a little bit that the what's it like, there's a little difference between them. The difference is really their diet. Yeah Grizzly bears are more aggressive, 'cause they're out there fucking up moves. Dear and shit, it's a hard knock life for Grizzly bear well. I think that you know so the brown there's I mean they're out there I mean they're out there crushing most too right. I mean there, but they're also eating a shit load of fish brown bears are coastal bears gotcha and like like Alaska. That's where I was at is Alaska. So that's where I was around on this is in Alaska. There's a crazy picture that was went viral a couple days ago. This couple this

couple of guys are fly fishing and they don't even realize that it bears right behind them. Just stand there in the river- and this is fucking huge- bear see if you can find the picture. These guys are on the river of viral image. Men don't go, bears behind them, their fish being around this river. This fucking huge bears is behind I'm looking at him and they don't even know it's there. That's awesome, I'm glad it bears are bears or something else there something else. There is something you see. Did I tell you, there's another videos looking for you. Look at that. Don't even know. They are efficient, go oh, my gosh. They had no idea There's a fucking. Nine hundred pound bear right behind him. Yeah I mean and then you're kind of screwed right there. What I like Do you think the guys yell Adam's he's taking the photo or do you think he took the photo and in total the guy probably stayed there for hours taking pictures,

never told him, he probably was hoping that the bear eight hundred am and you get the best picture. There's one there's one crazy. Video of these people riding these bikes on this trail and all men photo were barely bothered when they realize the bear Well, they must be alaskan natives, God, damn savages up there, crazy people don't give a fuck. Those are different. It's a different breed of human up there yeah that's like they are are people in Alaska, hard people? Are people looked over shoulder and continued fishing, the There is in the park, regular, walk up and down the river bank searching for food and will dive into the water dozens of times per day. So the thing is, those bears have so much salmon. They get so much meat that just think of salmon is food. Like people are just a pain in the ass that might might shoot him and kill him they're, not interested in that as much yeah. They probably would, jump right over me or walk right past me? Get the salmon yeah? There's I mean! That's why they're so

big. They get so much protein. There's an insane amount of fish, crazy that come up that river and that's that's. Why salmon. Are there is a great video of this guy he's, got a camera setup and in a bear walks right next to him and just it's down, and it's like it's close, is where Jamie is and it's fine. Can huge. It's so big guys got a lawn chair. There is a hey. There come on man get outta here Beres, like nine hundred pounds, or something that sits down right next to where like right, where Jamie is just chilling. Looking, and he looked out onto the river itself and it's filled with bears like forty bears in view 'cause they're, all just going through the salmon run. That's insane, it isn't saying that is insane yeah, I lived up in Alaska for a year and it was a whole different world. This is a different world, the whole different world. Barely America yeah! It's like it's a really nice place to visit. I love Anchorage. I've only been,

once but man I really enjoy the shit out of it. When did you go up there? I guess, is two three years ago. My friend are should fear, and I will we did some salmon fishing in there and do it. Did a couple shows up there yeah it was. We had a great time and yeah like during, I think, like April to probably September, is really is awesome. It's hard to sleep, though Yeah I mean because it's yet to cover your eyes like it's weird yeah. Are you tired? It's looks like it's two o'clock in the afternoon like this. Is our constraints, that's pretty cool, though it doesn't get too warm up. There don't know. Obviously, but those mosquitoes are gang. There like they should be like the state bird is give us a visit, terribles, so big and so aggressive? They don't even make sense yeah. We we got out of the car we got to the river, and you know you pull up the trail head and we we got the car and we had sprayed the bug spray on. We open up the door. I was thinking well, we'll get out. You know, put my clothes on that also

play myself a bug spray. The moment we open the door. The car was filled with a hundred mosquitoes like how the fuck do. They even know we're here. Was founded, creekwood, fresh blood, just open the door, and it's like war look foot the fuck man Swat were inside that were spraying bug spray inside the truck ridiculous. So awesome it's a crazy place to live, but it's also like when you're up there, you wreck and I like this is a these. People have a way closer relationship with the central world than we do. It gets cold as in the winter there, sir, by Grizzly Bears Moose are everywhere, dear everywhere. It's just a different different relationship with wildlife yeah. It's like You know and everything up there like the one thing I noticed is if whether you're going out to there is a cabin there's, a cabin at Mount

Ali. So what we would do is we'd ride, snow machine you have to park and you had to ride snow machines out to it. It's like everything you do up. There is it's! It's like serious yeah I mean it's not us! Thank you better. Take is here, so you could die yeah. Everything everything everything every now yeah. If you wanna go fishin or you know, on the on the river or whatever like it's all, it's all serious, but it seems like the people of a different What is this? The mosquitoes there almost work. God, that's in Alaska, they can kill baby caribou caribou dabs, literally mosquitoes will like sting them around their eyeballs, their assholes until they died, swarm Golf scientists recorded God awful phenomenon- that's great! That's you're! Right! That's what happens when you only get to live for a couple months just got to go all out, yeah! That's why in LA this, zero ski does like they just like chill. Oh, my god, look at his legs is covered. The but you're right through

fucking pants. They don't give a shit about your pants. Look at that guys! Foot! Oh my god! Look at click on the foot covered in mosquitoes. That is crazy. Oh, that is cool, oh, my god, that gives me the Heebie jeebies just looking at it why's that so letting that happen backpacking with monster, Skeeter's, yeah they're doing it for the gram get your feet lit up just for Instagram. It's not worth it matter will keep your feet protected. Bro, too crazy they'll go right to your side, x. Any later we don't give a about clothes, are not going to protect you close nope, not up there. Do you get a chance to do much. Hunting users do not have it heaven honey! Much I haven't, has not sub at home. I used to. I grew up on who upon- and we know, we've got a farm in Kentucky, and so I grew up there. Hunting with my whole, yeah my whole life and I haven't haunted that the times I've been home. I've haunted. I killed a a guide,

on the king ranch, oh wow, that's a big animal yeah as elk size, animal. It's like a horse with horns, yeah right, it's beautiful, apparently, unbelievably delicious! That's right here, yeah beautiful! the beautiful animal. I killed a bear up in Alaska. I've kill Afterelton dear sub at home. You know on the farm, but still a black bear. I kind of like where yeah they're, delicious too. Oddly enough right, yeah people don't know yeah they're. They they taste good now, yeah that King ranch is crazy. How many acres is that thing? It's a! I think it's almost a in writing some work. I think that thing that is right. I think it's almost one million taxes is so strange. I think it's like it's almost one million acres. I think it's like the largest land. One point: two hundred and twenty five and the crazy thing is like you're talking you're talking about. I got so fired up because you know I mean I come from a Forman and- and you know the deer there- it's not like they're they're, you know they're, not we don't freedom, you know we don't we don't. We don't go.

Oh dear there right and so you're driving out, and they really you're getting out to open the gate, leaving the king Ranch and you look over to your right. You know ten feet off the road and there's a you know a non typical, huge d in your leg. I'd, give anything to have that on yeah, but it's a weird thing right, because they do feed him It's almost like agriculture. Yeah I mean you know they put out food plots and stuff like that, and you know the food plots makes sense. That's just plants the animals eat but feeders yeah that's where I draw the line, I'm like ok! Well, what are we doing here Agriculture is a center hunting. Even if it's a million acres of its a million acres in every you know of eight hundred nine hundred yards, you have a feeder and all the animals gather in the features you go blind. You hang out by the feeder yeah, that's what King Ranch and yeah that's a new guy yeah, the v d, how good with those things they're good

I I hear that better than Elk is really good. I heard it's insanely delicious. It is so good. I've never had out. But oh I could take care How for leave out tonight I'll give you some for your bag bring it home with you. They were so that about them is when you see him there running. My son is yes, it is well. They used to be in our alliance. That's what's so crazy about Texas, like they they take all these african animals well, you can handle fucking Zebra in Texas. Are you Brian flies, yeah zebra? What? Why is there a zebra here and the zebras get out too? That's? What's really fucked up, they keep him these high fence ranches, but those fences break and then you get zebras just running around running around yeah. I got a buddy who has it who has Elk you know down in Texas, he's got Elk yeah farm because they got out I'm on the river. Well, that's a real something in West Texas. Now is elk. There's quite a few.

You know you look at some of the ranges where they at where they hunt them and it looks like you're. Might as well be in Colorado or something like that's weird yeah. I got a buddy who giraffes on his farm, two giraffes? What is he doing with them? They're just there for just go Fingal feed the giraffes. I had a bit of my eye it's a couple years ago and my triggered Netflix Special triggered about ten Sis and about how there's more tigers in captivity in Texas, our than in all of the wild of the world, really yep more to tigers, includes backyards in private. Actions, its greatest more tigers in Texas, then all of the wilds of the world. So these giraffes, I think I think the story behind him was is don't quote me on it, but I think story behind him was like this. The couldn't afford to feed him anymore and

I brought a man and let him run it's a feeling like it wasn't. You know that makes sense. Yes, like the the zoo's, I guess like I guess they couldn't afford to keep up with them or something that makes sense yeah. This is something it's something oddly per verse about bringing animals that are not supposed to be at a certain place to a certain place. Yes, I'm jamming. What do you got in text? yes, it's easier to own a tiger than a dog and a dog. That's been labeled dangerous. It's estimated there could be from one thousand and five thousand tigers living in the southern state of the United States, meaning Texas, could have More tigers in roughly the three thousand eight hundred tigers living in the wild globally, the yeah. If you have a dog, that's dangerous people think you're an asshole if you got a tiger like oh you're, just in the wildlife. That's crazy! That's crazy! the fucked up thing to have in your yard. You gotTa Fucking Tiger. How much do you trust your fences, what kind of fence control they have. They have fence regulations they. Surely they have to write

I don't know man, it's pretty nuts, but there's a lot of them. A lot of 'em there and again is in so many peoples backyard. No one really knows how many tires there are some people put the United States Tiger Population around seven thousand. Others say: it's inflated by animal welfare activist to raise money? That's what it is. Yes, it is that's what they were taking money there's a lot from there, though I know a bunch of so that have seen tigers in peoples yards in Texas and in fact it was a crazy story, but these kids are smoking weed and when is abandoned house and they go into the abandoned house. An inside the abandoned house, a tiger in a cage and they're like wait. What so they walk end of this fucking abandoned house trying to get high and they find a tiger it's almost like the hang over right. Yes, yes, I am over yeah I mean that you've defined that story yeah, it's a crazy store right. These kids are just trying to smoke a little weed escape from Life Tiger

found in abandoned house by personal, just wanted to smoke pot. That's crazy, yeah! That's tiger baby, that's TIGERS in Texas! I fell off and so listen man, it's been an honor having yonder privilege. I really am glad we finally got a chance to do it and, let's get you, I want to get you out with John Dudley, taking on one of these hunts that we do. It would be great. Let everybody know if you have social media. I do. I do on Instagram Dakota Myers, three hundred and seventeen, I'm on Facebook, Dakota Meyer, so yeah all of the information about all these things, you're involved with things are there beautiful, thank you. Thank you appreciate thanks. So much man appreciate it by everybody. Thank you. Every who won for tuning into this show, and thank you to our sponsors. Thank you too, the Jessel Neck and Rosenthal Vanity Project Anthony just one. The best stand up comics on the face of the planet and Greg Rosenthal,

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