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two minutes, let us try some once then it's one to five minutes, one five. We are now I stopped because I have some fuckin glass, or some of them are one summer to fives. It's like it's like I mean the. I do not mean, but what I appreciate It is. You know where your at, by what you're able to retain if you fight for it in the things that are going no matter what you do now I've heard there's some is right a guy who's got this app, probably from Laird get this app and you do it. You get your eyesight back and sometimes it's about. I don't need to try to use something to hold on to everything. I want to pick the five or seven things that I definitely want to hold onto and I want to watch the rest of it. Go. In and out with a tight. I I agree with that in some ways, but if there was a real

thing where you could get your eyesight back a deadly beyond that. I don't think there is a lay six does not real. There lay six that the right nosey several problems. You can get it if you have problems with a vision, but we have macular degeneration. That's coming from aids age related Macular de jure. Nation lay success Roy Fix, but I people who were wearing glasses and got lay six and then we're glad. Yes, that's that's a fact, but also we never wear glasses. They get one eye to close up in one eye for distance, even more funding after I sighed I've gotten on one of fucking me two weeks later that decent work. What about the loss of a and that you are accustomed to being fine annoys you what about it yeah, I like being able, see things red labels, in particular how many these fuckers are supposed to take and what's in here,

like? How many milligrams, what's an ordinance essay oculist shut it, but it's also funny to go up to like a little neutron pad and have to go like that to me. I just as a gas really interesting except the things you cannot change. Now. If someone comes in and said Joe Bob, I got it. We're done come over here, it's easier or to supplement, or do this for two weeks or stop doing this this in this, then there's tradeoff. Yes, why down for anything that actually works to meet your eyesight come back, but I have heard of nothing else buddy, that I've heard us military nuclear project and because you care- and I don't so- we have a nice ballots. There's a guy named David Sinclair that I talked to his a professor at Harvard Cinema MIT, where the fuck is he Tarbert he's they're doing some work with people that have serious eye diseases serious injuries in there actually injecting some form of bacteria. That is

encoded with some miracle cure for degeneration and they can detached retinas. Fix things incredible, so they're working on some stuff. So maybe in the future you want of tools and ones and one point fives, and yet what am I gonna idea? I've alighted to greener pastors, I'm sure there's going to be other issues and hurdles that gonna. Go eyesight wriggles, not here yeah, I'm sure to a mom concern about that. Do that thing that you weren't around your neck? Yes, being as you are obviously known as being iron man? Are you concerned with wearing a large thing in exact, same spot as the everything in life, It's funny because I was doing this before I ever got fitted for the r t. So it was, more of art, imitating oddball stuff,

I was doing anyway, Aurelia, oh well, you'd iron, man, eyewitnesses who even more interesting, because maybe you were born to be iron man, because iron man obviously had that from the comic books loosely pre arranged destiny. Man, what's incredible, is how far afield you can go from it and still find your way. Back now, there's been a it's that the whole superhero genre things so interesting to me, because there are so many reboots and there's somebody how many fucking Spiderman Ben, how many hopes of their bit there's only one iron man. You got that thus far we are now to hear your iron man, Sir Sir, dude just on a role in it. Anybody else try to be iron man we ve done well, interestingly enough bees. Coaster Adele

of some renown very different. My dad was a kind of a underground film maker, otter maverick. I grew up definitely being Bob Downy seniors kid spent on Long island, which is, I think, we're Tony was raised, but when, when Stanley was really thinking that through he was the Vietnam error and he was thinking about the military industrial complex. He was thinking about how about if I can throw a little bit of not politics in here but karma, and he gets shrapnel by the old thing and it becomes you know so and then, of course, there is the whole demon in the bottle. I think he was the first superhero whoever light had that you know almost like yeah hang UPS Jersey, coast, enamored yeah, so I mean the other. Was obviously but again once,

thing goes your way. You can draw all the parallels you want, you can call it destiny, but it was. It was something that I death. I definitely felt drawn to and I definitely fought for and looking back on, a pocket. I find it because it turned out to be a pre special thing. Why was an amazing thing? I mean you embodied. It is in a very strange way, a minute's inexorable disappoint. You you know, which is a while Tat, it was cool you gonna do doktor do little, because I love the fat outlook. I'm a fan of your work. I've done a lot of great stuff like one, you you doing to do? Little is like a cool it's out, I won't say, you're not taking yourselves seriously but you'd you're taking your trouble, but I'm not here. Taking I mean this is a fun kids movie about it. I have talked to animals. You know? I mean that's a great break for because, like, if your iron man linked to certain people that, for

for whatever reason become a role, and that is it that's what we will accept. You are that guy And you're not doing that you're you're you're, able to through your talent and through your ability to take chances you're able to bunch of different things, as well as be the iron man yeah I mean don't we. I don't know if I'm noticing anything now, it's that it's that we need to shift and we need new challenges and just like a main society politics things are moving and more thing in the information he is making things so everything's learning and growing from everything so quickly and in improving or disproving or or discounting whatever's happening next, but for me I heard

that this was on the table. My MRS, whose my creative partner and all things said a steep gig and I was a kindly steep gig and serious really. What did he do? He wrote why I'd like that's a big turned for her, and then I said, but why? Why do I wanted? I looked out and we live on a on a rescue form. We have really packers and goats and cunning guinea pigs and you know it S. Just easy and I've like ok same way. I did with iron. Mental images are right, there's something here and then before I signed on. I was just googling lake weirdest, welsh doctor. I just want to think of, I want to just do another english accent. So there's this guy, William Price, who is a nutty welsh doctor. He was in the old rudest. He was supposed to believe, like we could communicate with all nature and all that stuff. So I sent a picture of this wild looking guy wearing like a suit

stars on it like a staff and assure him said that to gain any goes. That looks right to me as a great I'm sorry, that's it literally! That's it it's Who is it? You don't mean it's always that thing of you click and you go here's my ears here's. My sense, what are you thinking and then the other, the gallery as yet, let's lean into that and then you gotta do this in that aid. We give me some of this negotiation, all of a sudden you're in a synergy sech a good interview like a good fight like a good dinner. It just close the gentlemen right there. That's crazy work to me I just thought: that's can do little be like that, just as you have to be that way, the whole way through a go nano when they find him he's a recluse, and then the animals like clean him up, and then he looks less on handsomer. Where would you left less weird for the kids for the rest, the movie? But let's find him like that. This

this concept of things just sort of falling in the place. I'm a big believer in that too. What what is that, though, is that you getting out of your own way like what? What is that it is necessary. Percent of it yeah yeah. I say it's seven. Percent maintenance of? What can I do to do my part to stay out of the way. And then the other part I always think of it, is like this little super thin invisible thread, but you can feel the tug and they just kind of have to be really gentle when you have to pause when agitated and you have to go for it when you going to like it, has four walls and hear which one has the math behind at Usm and you knock down the wall on its there. You know yeah. What is that lets us synchronicity intuition? but labeling it is very dangerous concepts, it so filled when with whew. So You know, there's somebody

people that are hucksters that have like career out of sort of like labeling it in finding it or teach you how to get to? It is great cause, it's the commodity that you can't capitalize on and yet, if you dont show proof of its existence, you can even you shouldn't even be qualified to speak on it. I don't know the big I don't know, but when it happens, whether it happens with love or with friendship or with a career with a path you're taking you just know, while you there's a smile, there's an inner smile like this is it well put I found it says it was by doing this, he would go here. We go, and I really feel so funny at this point in my life and being in a kind of middle aged and all that. Well, I know I'm gonna fly around the World and Michel himself, and I know I have a new price

Jack than I know, I've, just retired, my jersey on this twelve, your journey I've been on, and, and how do I want to start and end it came up. How would you like? Oh go? Yes, it's exactly what humpty dumpty I'm gonna go. Have the Joe Rogan experience and- and kick off this year in this season in this new chapter. By doing what I love, which is in an interview, was we're looking at each other and it there's a given time is the door to iron man totally closed? Is I don't believe it? Is you guys through time. Now you can go, there's dearest, you know already open that door. Let me ask you a question: if I picked a jersey back up and put it on Wouldn't she feel a little bit like ass, not rap, now here's. What here is the right thing. They go through a few semi, lacklustre adventures movies. Without you ready this I'm read his seen, there's a moment where the world's fate is at stake and they realize they need a super genius and then,

They figure out how to restart the time machine. Great come on is that the audiences you, when you, when you The other thing is issue and can meet. You want a little arc on it too, because if this is your idea than you, gotta show up for two I'll. Do it I'll show up what I have to do now do it arrived? We all have to do whatever count. I hosted a thing called. The fact is that they still have that they do the digital. I held a digital thing I'll, do it, but Did, though, the way people would freak out if you came back come up, I think about take a few years of few Doktor Doolittle couple more Sherlock Holmes you know is interesting,

watching Eddie Murphy in this last through a period of time- and I was talking to Colin just last night- who got to sit next to him at the golden globes and who was there and I've been on the show in writing for him with him when he hosty recently Nego. It's just incredible. Our culture never encourages taking a break, never occurred. Just saying don't change that thing, because you ve got it in your hands and and and I love the idea that, if your, if you're good at what you do, then it's not about time. It's out it doesnt matter. When you decide to pick up the mantle again it's just about, but it's scary, isn't it could you mean, like they do say, hey Joe just don't you to show for four years and then come back and do it

Maybe I can so lifetime. Who knows what yeah well with Eddie What is interesting is he was. Arguably the girl Aid is to visit era and just stopped to stop for thirty years, and no one does that no one. Is that good and then, when you see him and have your son, he received some award, it was on a path. You know and sitting for protein rather rather He was talking about Bill cosmic use, doing this routine about them, taking away cause awards, and it was fuckin, brilliant and the timing was so good and all of us, mix which a sinner gone. He do it tomorrow. He just right, it up there tomorrow and he be fucking murdering yes in, but it would be different maybe different- is a different human. You know this one of the more interesting things about its him talking about some of the more homophobic stuff that he did in the past. Now it makes him cringe, can't believe he was at first but use when he did

delirious. I think he was twenty two or something crazy like that, which is this bonkers. He was a good anyway. I've been thinking about him. Lately in relation to a bunch of things, but also just that, particularly nowadays, giving yourself permission to not have to. Jump because strike the irons hot that studies, and maybe it's just as a bit

thanks. I agree to the times which I remember to speaking of pasture narrations. I remember grown up nineteen. Seventy four Nixon's black and white tv, gettin impeach, my dad his buddies are weapon it up, but there still pissed than on gone like wow, it's it's not worser or or better it's different, but now it's on us. Yes, so there stood a bit of an urgency and that that whole thing just being able to say like so to answer your question to me, the starting up again is off the table. I feel have done all I could without character. There have to be a super, compelling argument and assume. Piece of events that that made it obvious, but the other thing is gonna- do other stuff right of course, yeah of course you're. What you're talking about about Nixon in people get people can lose themselves and current events and what What I mean by that like it doesn't necessarily completely you're you're

it is more than what's going on in Washington, you two hundred Thompson, talked about that when he was running for sheriff in Aspen He was sorry about how local power. Looks like your neighborhood, that's real does actually can. Fact your life like it's going on and wash and how much sort your data day existence its very little, though, for some people it becomes in enormous portion of the real state of their mind it it did they d take over most of their day to day consciousness. With consumed with it and becomes a thing there. Cheering for the ruling against in and then Now you, your life, revolves on something that you have very little power over teams, turf war, yeah interests here think globally, act locally, yes, maybe beautiful statement really is its while those cliches that you don't you think about the than I didn't know. That was hunter in that picture,

let me look at your watch could as easily vigil laws of the Colorado too. Well, the Rocky Mountain way there. He once told me now speak out of school. He said now you should just watch tv for ear broke. I think, you're. Probably right. Probably right. Look of use hung back into just did nothing but watch tv for a year at the thoughts and ideas you would have you'd. Have you you probably have a really rock solid idea of of. What's going on, his was more trying to have enough things going on, but I wouldn't have any ideas for a year and then It must make for maybe that's good, to see operating irreverently, something like analyze the landscape. I think Joel this is one of the most underrated guys ever because he changed the fuckin eagles. The Eagles

one thing and then Joe walls came around like victim of love, that's Joe walls. He came around judges and also there was a rap too. It is like they were kickin down doors. Enlightened shit on fire was different. There was an edge to it. You know he's he added Craig He had a crazy to this beautiful harmony, and I love it when the guys that added crazy go up to the thin veil between dimensions and say they come stay put and all of a sudden they represent stability. They represent being o k, hanging up your guns, yeah and just being you know what that that's everything everyone has to accept that at some point in time, Rhine we- maybe that's you in your glasses right because everyone has to accept that at one point time, you're gonna have to get off the ride, but when you're doing great and you kicking boxers are perfect

ample they always last too long has only been a small handful, Andrea Lord recently marvellous Marvin angler in his prime? They just go. That's it I'm and they actually are done. Every one of them comes back and almost every one of them chases that dragon. Here's! What I love you you may King, an argument for, and also the argument against me coming back and do another, Listen, I'm not married. Anything except my wife I'm not married any ideas, all the ideas that I have just like. Maybe that idea sucks I love you as iron man, so I would. I would if you, if they opened this time machine and you popped out just imagine the moment where, but it goes fuckin crazy. He would be amazing regret. I would love to but I would also love you hang it up here. It's a look at just for thoughts, twenty twenty and I'm not an OECD guy, but I keep thinking she could

really she clearly and if your vision is going and its difficult because by I feel like we all just get busted by feelings in the ego or fears or a little, you know chips of resentments or intuitions that are not tied to something may be higher, but you think is out of your reach her whatever. So even the perfect time- and I got to go- have dinner with a bunch of the Marvel folks last night and can have just a little bit of extra closure cause. You know the movie came out and it was. Bananas in the directors enemy, pictures of like people flipping out and feeders when tony snow apps and I was like well. This is kind of like a really big cultural thing, but then, like Victoria Alonzo who's, the head of the effects are all these movies, a literal super genius, her Kevin five year, five row or scarlet, or some people that have just been there with it. For a long time, we

We we were there experiencing at all when it came out and then we seek, a red carpet and it's not intimate, and then we can. I hadn't really had a chance just to do nothing just hang out and you know, and have some crudity and contact shit. So it is really interesting. Being here today, as yesterday was this kind of last night? Was this kind of real, like felt like closing the circle on things a bit? That's be bitter sweet. But I'd like that, I'd like that, you want to move on that you want to like that you're doing something like Doktor Doolittle cassettes, that link you ve done a lot of wild shit in your life. You ve got a lot of wild, show your career, but. You sort of embody every chapter with this kind of energy, although those different result and different piece of art its the same you and that's what

more interesting things about people in particular actors is actors get to be a bunch of different. Thanks and it's one of the weirder things about that craft like when you see you know a guy who's like Daniel De Louis? bodies these different humans literally becomes different humans. Its but it's always Daniel D lose. You know I mean like even though he put places these other, there will be blood guy in all these different psychopaths in various fastened. Characters its is the energy like yours, you're pump to see him? Do it right think. That's. I feel the same way with you I know, there's your an interesting guys, a lot of shit goin on your head. So when you I've into something whatever it is, whether it's your character from trot. Thunder or whatever it is like you're you're gonna, it's gonna be opportunity Junior dive in India so I would imagine it be. Kind of annoying, even though you are brilliant at iron,

and to stay on Mount yeah. Well Personally, I don't have to find out right. It's it's interesting to you know. Life is doing something, and- and do you know I met at this place. It's also it baffles me content it's. What is what is? It really mean those of a period of time where I felt like I did. I did the first iron man and then I want to try. Thunder and I was doing the four Sherlock shirt off urging Marshall Labs like I was all over the place in it just felt like I was. That was hidden triples, no matter what I did and now and then better, like are you release, confident, as you seem, and I was like, I guess right now. I am here and then- and I

disco. I mean this reminds me. We were just talking about De Macgregor, cowboy fight come up, you know it's like it's. You can do that. I'm gonna watch it. How can I watch it? You know to brilliant souls who cannot lose? Neither one of them can afford to lose this fight, while that is met Yeah, particularly cowboy, doesn't want to lose, you know, but there's this guy who's, the the poster child, the guy who's, the the one right, the chosen one, that's corner, and this cowboy whose like I think I can fuck that guy the journeyman yeah so confidence. You know there have been times when I felt I'm in possession of it, and then you wanna let go a little bit because it's only ever the moment and life.

Guiding you the wind to show your back. The air like wow. Are you just? Are you just you know, jump in. The waves and all that by yourself in your like? You bet I am but there's a physics the moment man moment, machine whatever and the winds at your back and then the wind as what the fucking windows and it changes, and if your left their thinking, what you know. So I think it's great to be in full possession of what you would call supreme confidence and then see what happens if you don't hold onto it so hard because its great, but it is a bit of an illusion, cause like everything else. It's always changing and every day the reset button to space markets Preston now what the reset button that that that you cannot have to have a confidence to jump into some of the rules you ve taken now, but I I see what you say.

You don't want to hold on to it because it could come go. I member worn babies who I learn so many amazing things from Sweden would be called the pick up. Artists with Molly Ringwald. Remember them, ok and he was kind of de facto producer of it on credited agenda. Taught me a lot about is acting in and what it was, and he said he said what you're, what your action in the scene at recess me. Sometimes my action, I'm picking up girl

see, that's what you're action in the scene and I was. I am driving a car and he asked me like you know the things sometimes or someone asked you a question in just you get caught flat, footer needed now your actions you're trying to go to work but you're, getting distracted by this addiction. You have to try to get laid, so your action is you're trying to get to work. As I always right and he said always know what your action is. Because then, when you come in the morning confident or when you come in the morning, it can't hit your ass with both hands. You know what to do so to me. One of the great lessons I learned from him was: oh yeah just boiled down what it is you're doing, whether this camera around or just what am I doing today, TAT I M showing up and I'm trying to be honest and and also to to list

and learn, but really my action today is I'm I'm today's I'm beginning a process of promotion, warm babies, another guy who learned how to put his guns, dough, psycho, watch net Madonna movie than one whose date Madonna stricter their agenda. He's hang around with her she's in the throes of fame, and everything he's like a flock is yeah like he's, never seen it but he's an old gentleman now he's I witnessed, and you know, hang out with her into shaking his head, and you know that kind of it for me or Warm Bay, real lemons step away, real quick. If I have to talk, one thing. So I would ask him: is most likely Carly Simon, writes a song about you. There's gotta be a trip.

I so many Emmy wish it. If you think that we should do our poor session just about things I learned from Morn baby yeah, I'm Tellin, you imagine the brilliant guy clearly. Do you think that you could do Tropic thundered today without be possible or you could do it again like Eddie. You know. I looked back to me that are we to me was a circle back to my dad's movie called putty scope, which I highly recommend anyone who hasn't seen to see about a black eye. You takes over and added agency in the sixties, because every one votes for him when the head of the company dies because they think no one else will and it's about what happens when someone who is free spirited, takes over an essentially corrupt endeavour, and then he realizes and conferences on corruption. But I

I was probably two or three when that was being shot and when it came out- and it was so a part of my upbringing- and I just remembered some of the the folks that were around my dad at that time, and so when band Called- and hey, I'm doing this thing and you know, I think, maybe shown panic pastime. Possibly wisely and down. I've got yeah I'll. Do that? do that after our man than I started thinking this is women and I thought will hold on to get real here. Where's your heart and my heart is a I get too. I get to deep black for a summer, so there's something in it, the other thing is I get a hold up to nature, the seen, self involved hypocrisy of artists and what they think they are allowed to do on occasion. Just my pen,

and also Ben who is a masterful artist, indirect or pride, the closest thing to a Charlie Chaplin that I have experienced in my Alla time. He writes he direct he acts he. If you had seen him when he was directing this movie, you would have been like I'm watching David lean on watching chaplain on watching Coppola. He he knew exactly what the vision for this was. He executed it. It was impossible to not have it be an offensive nightmare of a man and ninety percent of my black friends or like do that's good. What about the other tell me you know, I can't disagree with them, but I know where my heart was and I think that its new an excuse to do something that is out of place and not of its time, but to me was just putting it was a blasting cap on and by the way, I think, white,

chicks came out pre soon after they are like. I love that, like that was great well it might me the last time we see that in things change. It seems like no one can really all that you could do black face anymore. I mean we almost lost the Prime Minister, Canada conceded brown face. He pretend the bees saudi arabian right. He did it maybe a nights in high school and flavour. It's it's interesting and necessary meditation on. Where is the pendulum wise? The pendulum right yeah where's the pendulum may be cutting little into what could be perceived as as heart in the right place, openness of its time. But again,

I mean you know, there's a morality clause here on this planet and it's a big price to pay, and I think, having a moral psychology is is job one. So sometimes you just gotta go yeah. I aft up again, not in my defence, but Tropic Thunder was about how wrong that its? Yes, so I take exception, but no it's. I think you could do it today. I think you could, I think it could be done today. There would be so much outrage, but it would also be people cheering? And if you, if we got, we boiled down all the bullshit and got to actual result of what the film did fucking hilarious to this guy wants it again about a year and a half ago, it's a great movie, it's great fun movie. I mean it's it's ridiculous. Over the top

hilarious and it and in your portrayal of wasn't it wasn't egregious it wasn't. There was it was necessary. It made sense all of it fit it all. This airbags and square halls us just thinking square pattern. Why was the August? The commission urges the programme and the crazy. I think drove by that Warner Park near here yeah. I think she went to school over there when she was doing a show anything interesting, ere it it worked, and but it was it me, be the last time will ever see a studio. Take a chance on a guy we're in black face and the prolific use the word retard. Those are today, and by the way, that's Ben with the funny thing too, was all the heat got deflected to Ben and SIMPLE Jack yeah. That's what people were pissed off about my glass. Great

but you never know when it's gonna be your time in the barrel you know sometimes sometimes life just says you know what an I've been on both sides of the coin. Sometimes life just says you're symbol now, have anybody that was telling not to do it with their bunch agents or anyone who say my mother was horrified really Babby telling you bad feeling as again me to Morrow, anyway, how day out at first glance, at what point to make about you how hard you sweat It's been a couple times. I was all the night before. We run quite an almost a year ago, and I was just running think? I had six lines that day, but I knew that

who's going to be choppers? It was going to be a squib fire. There was going to be choreography that was going to be. You know it was. It was going to be cacophonous. And the only thing that matter to me again what's my action, my actions and actor in this movies to know what I'm doing, even if What I'm doing the same, I ran those six or eight lines. I had a thousand times lying in bed over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again so the next day I was free to enjoy myself and not, struggling to wonder what it was I was supposed to be doing and then that's what it is. It was just you know, one little mosaic after the next and and

by the end of it. I had some pride that aid made it through forget that it was in the black face. It is special effects make up day after day after day after day after day after day after day, except for the odd times when I would have my bleached hair and blue contacts in my eyes or be no other characters and it was just stay on. It was a piece of work I was doing cared about doing this professionally and his honestly, as I could so when you memorized lines? That's an interesting thing. You said that you are free to to do it. Like it, when you memorize lines, is there ever apart, like when you're acting where you have to think what my supposed to say next and how much is I get in the way this outlook?

I have a very broad band of tolerances. I don't care if the people I'm with happened, not know what they're doing your don't know. Their lines are stepping on my lines or or whatever, or want to change their lines and my lines- and it's always a different thing it's like reading the room it's like now. If I was a fighter you on the octagon, indeed they go, you ready, you ready new golf, and then you just do it. You go but so I'd had it where I would try to be off. But before everyone else. I would get it down to an acronym. So if there was a thousand I Zuyder remember, I would just remember the first letter of each and I would put it on a piece of poster board and then I would stand away from it, not as far as you in your ear archery set up over there, but far enough away to where I can see it, because I can't see it back when my vision was little more clear and our just run it

run it when it did the first sherlock. We were rewriting it so much and I would have pages and pages of stuff as a human hair wig, and it helped me with my accent and then I started getting into like you know. What's so great, I can finish. Work go home hangout kids, art do whatever I want to do, go train and in the morning they can change it all they want. I don't have to trip if it all, if you know it, unless it's some monologue that you want to really be committed to that's not going to shift. Scully, so you'd put one of those little earpieces. Then they would feeder lines and now I've kind of far as you can go with that and all pray go back to new method or a new version of the old method. So it's basically improvisational, like you, in the moment or you'd. You decide with whatever preparation to do for each roll, how you can do it with gonna go and memorize everything, obsessive or whether you just

Can it be a little bit more loosened free with it? Yes depends on the script to like Tropic Thunder, just throw wrote that script with with Ben really get script. I mean my mrs who next my mother with a year we confront Morceau is of the opinion. I was really waiting on and she was reading in the kitchen laughing Rasta chicken This is so wrong. This is wrong and goes in its true. If you do this right, you're you're doing something. That's it's about a bunch of self involve idiot, somehow or other becoming heroes, and because I love that, if that's what it stays and it's gonna be good and so like, for instance, the you know: never oh yeah, now by the way I guarantee you get now to hear my stock is not plummeting. When I leave, you are not smoking, dope are not doing a mosque, I'm gonna do everything restock went up the next day. I write drops

so one of mine who do not understand. I love that you know it's. A piece of work. With six percent and smoke versus out, yet it just changes. It just changes. I also know that I don't really know that much in its for every time anyway, but Sir I really like when you have a loose concept of what you're doing the certain parts and are going to change much and the rest, you discover so the first Iron man I mean John and I in there and the writers or John, and I we were Just- would write you red line, all right lime, and then we would. We were released really watching the puppies be born, as we did at frustrating for people who not Kenneth Cause, she can look at a piece of paper and then go. Ok. I get it and she's got it all. Memorize she's amazing, but what's for the highest good? Sometimes it's very

self indulgent to come in and, like you don't hand out new pages, or so I'm not saying that Sophie me. That way, you know mean you need, environment of respect, but I, like I like discovering things How much of acting is managing those weird relationships that you have with these other people they are acting with. Like you, ve made some rough. Just like people changing other people's lines, it not being prepared. I got out of acting for that very reason. That was a thing that I I from a world of stand up, Kommeni, which are just a bunch of crazy people too, factors which are a bunch of crazy people, but in a different way, and managing all the different characters and all the different personalities. How hard is it seems like that- can really get in the way. Work is Canada's thumbprint. Every time you are in a new project, it's a completely different. We know fingerprint, you never know what you're going

yet and sometimes project seem blast, and sometimes you could say there cursed. But again my Susan Downy Esquire was talking about this yesterday she goes it's. The only thing you can overcome as a creative producer on a big movie or anything is in principle no matter what happens, you can we lost the light of the thunder. The weather came an ok, he got sick, oh she's, oh she's, pregnant, ok, great change, costume. You can't overcome person Yeah the relationships, the people, how each other do meet up before you commit to a raw deal. We say I want to meet Captain America and find out what the fact that guy's really work bye,

I mean I love that you think I'd have the thorny. Did you catch this guy array? Let me get a taste of not. I just say that we really are really interested in doing that, but we have a group dinner sometime. You ever meet these guys might, and so my area, motorways, always let's mine, melt, let's get together. Let's work weakens let spend time together cause you can't replace that from you parity, but so you have to try to build it, and sometimes it happens very naturally, like I adore Chris Evans, I cave and tell you wiser, Boston, guy, he's technically and at such a brilliant actor, but he also doesn't take himself seriously he's flaky, but he's the first guy. You would want to have your back if someone went down he's an end and yet were different enough, where I feel like by being who we are and then both having those characters we re able to. I thank God. I thought I thought civil war was a special moment in the end,

the Marvel films about turning one against the other, what it meant and an debt. So sometimes you just get lucky matter fact: a whole Marvel universe, possibly without exception, just happens to be a really well. What you call that, when you are when you put together something curated of souls. Well, it's interesting because people take soup, hero movies seriously. Now like now Superhero movies are films that happened to be about superheroes, whereas you know for a long time, superhero movies, repulsion in the tv shells were kind of clunky there. There can't be. You know those Batman, and with the silly pants on and run

Ben I bought it. Everything was a bang boom back member you'd see the big boom Israel and yet, who was in the first group, remain Brandon? Yes, through the always a seed of an attempt to lodge my something that was otherwise two dimensional, this I was probably the first film that really did that right and then Batman than the Bam answer but again how many Goddamn Pat Mansour then right am. I wanna see what patent and ass. All that's right! He's gonna be Batman. Now I like that, with how many Spiderman other than that that's the Maoist Right three drink and through three hawks Brandt at least one two: three, not counting the tv show counting the tv show for time. Tv show your right Eric now, you're right, yeah, Norton, Mark Mark rough low levels

I've ever huge is born for it yeah. It's perfect, you believe him again. His whole thing was: what's my action is in Ireland How do you guys manage this giant cgi thing like? How does that work like when you're on the set, but that's it? one of the weirdest parts about acting in some of those avenger films, is how much of it is actually digital. Yet you just gonna get used to it. All day grass it a movie with Richard Link, latter called Scanner darkly and it was roto scope, so grandma movie. I love that money love him and then Keanu nine Woody and were no none of us. This cool thing- and we should these scenes and he would say, are you can just leave you're your body MIKE on the outside consumers pay so that role

no scoping is a great metaphor for essentially what the Marvel movies became when sometimes you would even go and I'm supposed to come in and like You know throw something in the Rio was off camera, but everything else was great out. We'll just move your arm later and you go while so you never when a rest on their laurels and say you know, but after a certain while I was like Why am I wearing this this this football suit? Just put some dots on my shoulders, so I can move more freely and then be like all right. I got what that's honestly. What are you really using this all the stuff, I'm working for you for reference? I go great, so I'll, wear for one take and then I'll take it off, and relax a little bit but that the people would be like or better would be like. I'm stuck in this fucking thing down so that everybody got to join

None, the joys and the miseries of d of the technical challenge of doing and speaking, a rough allowed by the end, because he's smart hawk, he literally they're, just making big were every was, and they put it a little you know, I am a piece of pvc with a big hawk, had up about five feet over where his head was in here just there in a green suit, so in a tracking suit, with like his package out. In our view be like? Can let me just at least tie like a little sarongs around must come on guys, and so I think, mark and about as far out into the eye on a sphere of at sea g as you can I didn't get the whole smart. Smart hawk thing didn't get out They have a figure that out wasn't really like work supposed to be HAWK right supposed to. The altar like one. You can

control. One is one of the genius scientist exactly one is the beast, but after so much time and again, the genius of the people who who who break a shake stories over their fighting his team as they go eyes, hawk links, not Hall keys, hawk. It's a big battle, always so conflicted what if he could meet himself in the middle and then what corner have we painted ourselves in by having a meat himself in the middle? Because then you can't ever. If that doesn't work, you can't go back to the way it was you ve done it where you can go back to what was so. I just think that the real genius of the Marvel creative team is day and the Russo brothers. In the last few of Andrews, infinity, worn and games ago. We love writing ourselves into a corner. We love it because then it it activates all of those. How do we get out of purgatory juices and then you get the next round now: when you guys,

down and when you first receive a script for one of these things, do they concern will you do they discuss this with you? Did they just lay it out and say this? Is this? Is the character? How do you know? How do you feel about this? What do you think yeah and by its changed over time? I think if you're one of folks as their stand alone, movies, like scarlet, has black widow coming out. I think you take up. I would you take a bit of a different tack in how much meaning I think that for is the legal phrase for actors and studios is meaningful consultation, not script approval because than anybody could hold a studio hostage cause. I don't approve this thirty million dollars that you're trying to spend now so your schedules for when you say our prove, I picture a bathrobe and a picture. Fine, China teacups! That's how picture I don't approve and then just stormy off I've,

had my moments to cause, I'm so passionate about story, but again after more seat time with the same people and new people coming in and and getting a a pretty brutal education on what kind of process these movies require. You you, you just start trusting more that they're thinking on your behalf and also little things are easy to change. Big things become a inconvenience to the higher good, and at what point do you want to pull the air you got something where the trains you know already leaving the station. I would imagine it would be a fine line that they say they want the acted, be comfortable with the character and they want some and maybe some feedback or do beneficial, but there also they have a path, the vision that they ve created

They would like to see you somehow another release morph slightly to get on this path. And by the way after I had my second round kids with Susan, I became both artistically. I have a bit of a renaissance. When I was doing the third iron man and then after that too, I was like what and I'm going to do this avengers and it's so many moving parts and it's so difficult just to get all the schedules to come inside and get everyone together. Then I'm not going to be like I'm not feeling so again. It's that thing it to its. Sometimes What are they save faster alone further together? Sometimes you can only think about further because you gotta get down field. Other too and you're thinking hey this is my moment to run and I need I need a little help and a little approval and I need a little leeway, but that's any

creative endeavour. I would imagine, when you involved in something that so epic one is actually over. It probably almost feel seem surreal cause it Action is so massive, so many moving pieces. So special effects, so things at you, you have to- visualize while you're doing it and then, after all, it's all over you're done what is it like? What what is it big movie. How many months are you involved in this

well, I mean it could be some part of eighteen months to two years, depending on how far out you are and then for the six months of principle, photography and that additional photography and then post and then I always include promotion. You know from yeah yeah from soup to nuts. I think, as the phrase soup do not yet have our that's a jewel silver phrase, one of my when my great great friends and pray, one of the greatest big movie produces vault time. You did the sure locks Mammy did the matrix serious. My mrs was running company for ten years, KISS kissed, Bang Bang, which is, I think, in some ways the best foam I've never done while not being a calling card. It came out in it, it bombed and but John Faroe Sought- and he said this guy could dude action with me

and so that wound up being my calling card into the Marvel Universe, but to answer the question it can be anticlimactic. Like anything I mean this is surreal. You know I never I've never seen you around a little bit, but I feel like I know you, because I see you all the time and I listened to you and I am I'm up a martial arts nut and yeah. Isn't it sometimes you when you, when you get outside of those fortunate, interesting, creative experience, your having you gonna go like it's very dreamlike yeah yeah my whole Ives dream, except for the ratification of the rims. Just those come back a bite in the as yet exists. Fucking uttering on it all this kid. This is dangerous. Yeah I used to remember the first time I met Phil Hartman. I was stunned that actually likes sitting. We were added stable, Reed

across from Islamic, how fuck you're? A famous guy you're, really famous going I've seen you in movies man? Oh, yes, you see you on television here you are right. There are weird, and it seems if it's very hard to to be normal, and then after a while that becomes normal and then that the fact that it be normally come surreal and then it really feels like a dream like when I mean people like you, we ve just an hour or so ago, yet instantly children are you tat, very strange, but also full of shit you know when someone's not full of shit. It's pretty easy to get to know them. You say something I say something back of eye. I know how he works. I see what's going on in there Human here we go, we're talking is a good witness to, because you your show pretty- and I just love it to this. In your show, you literally you just you start is a rolling start with you every time

you come into the show, showing your already kind of thinking about stuff. So it's it feels very organ. And part of even this morning was like. I hope he looks in my eyes and doesn't see a complete and utter foolish fraud, because I would probably believe him if he meant that back to me. I know, that's it. That's a danger right. You have some of you. It respects I went on. I think you're a fucking idiot now I might really be a fuck and eighty there's been times when, in just being myself someone who I respect as looked music. What it? What are we talking about what do you even seashore, and you remember that comes economy, Gatt, stiff arms are those are good because it realise what you're, probably off, on a fuckin, stupid, tangent and that's part of being a person A part of being a person is like I don't know what the next word out of my mouth is going to be right. Now, no one ever does unless you do,

and if you do is kind of weird, some people are poker players. I respect some people that are that, because there's an ability to maybe it's pure based, but I will I always appreciate people who you know: people like their icons or big shots. Are there hold a certain esteem and all of their tax there very simple, Yes, yes, we should fix that shore. Sure is my favorite sure, ok on it, yeah yeah. I know periods either, but you have to make a period beats the all caps text. I don't like those because we were we're other city Fletcher he's sending our task. But he's shouting at everything. Everything as a shout. But yet the surreal part is

Think part of the reason I'm still so interested not just in life, but also you know getting to do what I do is I'm fan I love movies? I love creativity. I love music. I love. I love culture and the fact that I actually have a place in at one time, observing it and digging. It is like it's. It's it's an honor. Well that's a beautiful perspective, and that shows in how you how you, how you carry yourself, and it shows in the work that you do, that you do appreciate it and you know saddest things as someone who is in an amazing position who doesn't appreciated and in that drives other people crazy to like Pre Madonna's drive people crazy from a variety of reasons for one of the big ones. Is you don't appreciate how fortunate you are like, and people love when people appreciate good

Fourchan and appreciate a well earned position and are in engrossed in a beautiful life of something that I really enjoy and something that really inspires them. Why I need to, I need to be kept right: sized cuz. I can easily fall into self seeking and depression and self pity and judgment and and all that stuff. It's it's a bit of a default, but I spend enough energy enough. I've had enough help over enough years to actually just say. Oh that's! That's just awful destructive behaviour. Europe entertaining you know bad patterns is bad thought patterns. We think we can all fall into those ruthlessly self critical and its food. For me, sometimes it's very hard to step outside and interest, just take a pause, and then

and recognise not everything's gonna be right. The first time you try it. I think debt lot of people that are really great things? It's one of the things about them as that not very satisfied with their work like they're, always looking to improve their always looking for it to be better and then that can start that cycle in their hands of self loathing and anxiety and anger there, their performance or their work or whatever it is that in and then secondly to depression, that can lead to just self hate and what are your tolerance, is like the army, the first How you like me now so do certain movies are moving in Tropic Thunder or one of the first Dino iron man movies? I was like I'd go over to the Monterey, be like play that back again, that was so do you. Let me see that again. I need confirmation Uncas, it's always a miracle. You stayed in frame you

got the line right. Your eye line was right. Lighting was right, the sensibility was right and if you just look at it, you go. Oh you know. It's like. I don't know for me. It's like the play back of the perfect Superman punch. Kayo new school show me that again yeah or when we were building tropic thunder, I had a little teaser clip for iron man, but it wasn't coming out until the next year we were going to go to COMECON night, so I gotta, see and show it to people in their like over. I think they're movies gonna do pretty good, and then we went to COMECON we sought, but Used to be like that, with music to like a right music, I haven't for some time, but you would write something in it. You just listen to it. On the loop cuz, you go wow, that's not that I was here and I did that, but it feels kind of inspired yeah when it get on that stuff, but yes, self critically important

as long as it doesn't bleed out into in over the edges and just make it sure that's again get out of your own way again, that's one of them. The many too of life would learn to get out you're on your own way with everything, including with creative endeavours. It seems like that that What you said about music, most people who write things or create things say that that it's you Oh they're, doing I ll give you make a great sculpture. You know you're doing it, but where, it coming from like what is what is the idea that manifests itself into this perfect thing that you could stay back and look at, and it seems so really. How did I create that? Did I? I don't know if I did We have only made my fingers move, but I don't know if that's me who wrote that music who performed it. I know you did but there a thing inside you that sort of like tunes in to this. This energy of of ideas and then

through you and again, you can have to get out of your own way, while you're writing something and then when it comes out. It's weird feeling it's not like, like if you hammer a nail into a board, you fuckin are very aware: you did that you're very aware, but there's something the creative process, that's not even now. Totally. There is weird yeah because it is you and it isn't right, look was you I mean I love it when you wish here too and sports, it's like you know. Oh, you know how to go to. Federer. Oh, I was out of my mind. I was not in my mind. It was a beautiful day and I think you saw the results, yeah sure effortless. Poetic foo fighters talk about that all the time that, like especially a counter shot, they land, something they don't even have any idea they're going to do it and I did it and then it caused the knock out its

Training manifests itself in this one special beautiful moment. What bang this thing happens: and then they see the guy job unlike holy shit and then they they walk away and it's the work. It's it's there are so many things involves somebody moving pieces. You have to be working on your own mind to learn how to get out of your own way. U else after like really engrossed in whatever the activity is you're doing like obsessed in love with it, a passionate about it, you have to have the discipline to show up and actually do the work is so many different, p. Iraq has to be managed and it's not solid. It's like of it's like a fuckin raft on the ocean moving around Europe, is trying to figure out how to keep it keep moving and functional and always seems unmanageable after it's always like a fucking that even work, yet we called the failure board yeah right now how you get it all and honestly

we in the last fifteen years when I started really taken martial arts seriously. Half the stuff that I've been able to do right in my creative life are principles that I learned on the matter with my C4 guards or centre. Keep your eye on lead elbow, get to the blind side. How often you do that was started? I think, I'm in the 15th or 16th year. Shifu is over day before yesterday. So you know a bunch of times a week and if I'm working on something or if he can make it, the location will have long stretches where we doing it everyday, then the gradings, so you got to prep for As you know it's, so what are you doing? You doing confer Gazeta Overprotect Pedro style, traditional Winged Chun Greeley, yet which is

very underrated art form. Yes, also, so many trade secrets and so different. Then how I see- it when I'm looking at videos and that in you FC everything is out in the open and it's disgusting you see in a lot of- did the eastern stuff. There was a turf wars and we're not really going to show them footwork we're not going to do this, but anyway it's been a real, deep dive with my chief who era Gorham, whose see from my c gun, grandmaster, William Chung, renown, kind of Hong Kong, rooftop fights all that stuff, amazing lore, but very technical difficult to build an easy to use. You know it's very rarely see that in the USA, one of the best fighters and that you have to use it regularly, Tony typhoid,

Tony Ferguson uses trapping hands, look John. He grabs wrists and comes over the top with elbows. He does straight wing turn. He does it all the time and even access is on a one wouldn't dummy. I got my ass kicked by a wooden dummy for about three years and then I finally understood the principal love but don't fight force force, and you know it's just not so anyway. Half the time, if I would be in a critical artistic situation, I would just say because Wing Chun problems or life problems like problems are winch on problems, and I would just go back to how did this kind relate to cause? I dont like getting clocked

and get my teeth knocked and because we tend to sometimes we glove up but were not wearing mouthpieces. It's very well. You outpace. It certainly not because he's very good at pulling its punches in he's, also even better at making sure that our action at me hit him, but we get as close as as we can to at them. The real experience would be, but again it's like everything, I'm sure you know a few clicks back down the road. There's things that instructors we're doing that would be considered illegal to due to a group of students. Nowadays, for sure. So not just a few clicks. Why was coming up? That's right, tat, I would imagine yeah, others did hate each other students wicked beat up is a normal thing. Yes, you

so, did you start training for Sherlock Holmes or used our train before they didn't? It absolutely coincided with my recovery and that things, just somehow or other seem too to lock in wind and am to you an off the record and afterwards about anything everything to do with my recovery. Far as it locked him. This was an apprentice and apprenticeship and it was an apprenticeship that was contingent on me being certain at space What's a good thing too, because it's in its very addictive thing people get very addicted to Mars arts and it's a good substitute for it times negative addictions. Four days before he died, he was obsessed with presenting Jujitsu yeah became rich We have settled at fifty eight when, and got really good. He was whose training every day and he was trained, twice-

a day every day, so he went from when I first, madam. He was chubby here smoking cigarettes, he drank every night, still kind of still drank every night, but you know I just did enough to eat and none of healthy things keep his body together and then his ex wife got really energy too then he decided to follow one day, two classes and he was kind of mocking laughing at first and then became obsessed and then good I mean he was in the link. I wanted a tournament mean. Oh my gaze fuckin, sixty years older What's really crazy, is a picture of him walking down the street in. I think they were in Rome and he has no shirt on and he's fucking ripped Anthony, Bourdain full six pack. Yeah. I do she was obsessed. He would take a private everyday. Look at him. Look at their photo, that's crazy is like sixty something years older, so he would take

a private lesson every day and then he would take a class. So we take a private lessons, sharpen up techniques and they roles. We take group classes too. It is very rare, very critical role, different people on a percentage, and so he was in there and it became a good thing for him to sort of become addicted. To this positive thing, yeah I mean for me: It was going to be golf for loving me something passive like that. I hear it's great, but it's been. It's just been a great gift and its also that thing we're yeah you're, just you're. Never down, I make black belt five years ago, gum for another grading and now we're doing a lot of weapons stuff It's just I debts, often resolutions Yeah, my toggle no teacher said something to me when I was very young. They said that it is a tool for developing your human potential, never forgot

who's. My cat is cuz. It's really difficult to do. I've all martial arts are really days really difficult to get your body to move that way and to be able to be effective in a conflict situation If you can do- and you can do it over and over again- and he can overcome that difficult thing- and you thought insurmountable, and then you figured out how to do it. Eventually you get this point, you realize what everything in life is like that everything I feel like something: that's a puzzle. You have to figure out what what am I you're wrong. What can I do to make it better? How do I get more competent at this particular skill, or this particular discipline and just the humility to I mean if I've noticed anything in the last couple years system you have see which, by the way I was doing out, Robert Augment Film called the gingerbread man back in the nineties, and I do if she had just start off.

Was getting the VHF tapes and watching them, and so when they go back on the twenty five years ago, I was like I've been I've. Been I've been there from job, that's also, but we watch it's just that thing of no matter what you think. I d, the tides are changing quickly and yeah and you just gotta keep keep working well. That was a real wake. Up call for a lot of martial artists was the USA is a lot of the stuff. There were doing really was an effective if they thought it would be Nobody was playing by the rules in the dough, Joe and sort of following along the that once you really saw actual caged that where people were just go on board, out. You realize a lot of stuff just doesn't work, love how messy it was at the beginning. There is still a match. Ups wears her things. Crazy laughable until you, until you saw the violence and no way classes.

You and I share another passion. Resto minds would you have was it is a nineteen. Seventy Mustang yeah got the three to eighty of speed core a couple. Other ones speak or does amazing stuff their great, and when I saw that they were doing your cargo, there's gonna be good. You picked out any color to yeah, I'm pretty sure that's an area. Only that thing that's back east right now, that's a good car fur first straightaway, that's a nice long, island, car yeah, it's beautiful but the beautiful thing about something like speakers they're going to take that car and make it so that its manageable, you can actually drive and if you drove real nineteen. Seventy stock car would be its horrific it's amazing how far we have come in those cars? like York, you're like blindfolded as you're driving, you're sort of aware of what

cars gonna do as you turn the wheel, but not really it's it to me as it is like a crop duster without wings every time I started to go Jesus Christ, kids kids? and also since I met her in I have in the ring with this kind of green technology initiatives I I'm pregnant, auctioning of olive yearly, honest ripe, dinner, drove Lou, Bmw, electric car. Here I saw and I started laughing when I saw a poem park and why do we go however, the ESA awful by new works yeah, have to hold onto that we got and what is that A tranquil hawk that Maynard Keenan from tools at me from his father in Arizona its talking about on a podcast and he's like if I ever seen one I go now and then, a week later, when I arrive in the mail hold on

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