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Guess today is Abigail Schreyer and she is the author of irreversible damage, the trends gender, craze seducing. Our daughters, this is all about teenage girls that had shown no signs whatsoever of gender. This for you. But now in shocking numbers are transitioning and through her research and talking to experts in and pay But let us have this issue. She has come to some pretty shocking conclusions and I found it. I found a scary and very interesting the same time. So please welcome Abigail Schreyer. The will gain experience, Abigail Cornea, I'm doing great area. They should do in those appreciated thanks. So much for having me on irreversible damage. The trends

gender craze, seducing, our daughters boy, that's a hot buttons object right. That is, this is a minefield. It shouldn t bear no relation me. No, it shouldn't be, but So I think we should probably established something's look up front right. Some people, surely, as adults, are transgender course. Yes, of course, I interviewed a lot of them and we fully support that an account I have friends who fall into that category. Your concern is about a very young children that a teenage girls has nothing to do with adults who are transgender, UK of whom are amazing people. They, you know, went through mental health

therapy and they decided they made those decisions these suffered with discomfort in their bodies from the time they were young and as adults they made the decision to transition fully support them has nothing to do with my book. What what? What. Was the motivation right this book and if it's about teenagers, why is there a very young girl on the cover? Well, ass is like the cover, looks a little girl or Europe right does. I mean I've decided to cover, but I think I think the covers very good because I think is most to evoke what we ve lost in are a whole generation. Well, yes, what is that? I assume her uterus. Infertility, it wasn't Apulia, infertility and that what that's what happens I mean We involved in this. This wasn't a personal issue for me, in fact, it was an issue. Originally I thought I was can avoid a reader wrote to me. I rate must often for the Wall Street Journal, a reader wrote to me and she said: listen. I've tried to get every mainstream journalists to pick this up. No one will touch it, but my daughter got caught up in this all

the sudden she went after called Officer Norte with it with her french. He had a lot of mental health issues, anxiety, depression and all the sun. With her group of friends, they all side there. Trans and went on hormones, and this is happening to parents all across the country, teenage girls, all of a sudden deciding with their friends there, trans wanting dresen hormones and getting them, and at first I thought I don't need this, and so I tried to get another journalist to take it a real investigative reporter I'm not a minute, I'm an opinion journalist. Usually that's what I've done and I couldn't get someone to take it up. Cause in such a minefield, because, because it in mind because for some reason the activists horn and do not preventative of transgender adults that I met at all. But the activists had convinced the world that, because you know they they you no object to any ones transition being question. We can't talk about a mental health issue facing teenage girls

Now I have heard there is an issue with some teenage girls who are on spectrum, who wind up getting sort of roped into this idea that that's what's wrong with them. Is that one the things you cover new but yeah. I actually don't deal with that specific. We very much in the reason is that the whole balkan of itself because a lot of that, it is true that a lot of girls who are high functioning artistic- and I did, in our view some experts in autism and that's when I realise that the book of its own, which is that a lot of girls who are high functioning autistic, you know they tend to fix it and they had, they are particularly susceptible to fixated on the idea that they might be a boy when its introduced to them. Yeah. I know exactly what you're talking out there. They are one part of this phenomenon, but there are big part, so the teenage girl part so this you're talking about,

teenage girls that are susceptible to influence. Are you talking about teenage girls that are confused like why? Why Are there so many teenage girls that are going in this direction like? What do you think is happening so. These are the same girls that would have been anorexic. They would in Bali MAC, and they were I've been, there are high anxiety, very precocious girls, but they dont really fit in. They come to high school and they don't have friends, they don't have a click for them and their wives, smart and they're so lonely cause they're on the internet all the time in there with mom all the time and they don't fit in at school, and this is a way to express understand their debts their their pain that there really feeling there in pain, but they decide that their problem is it. There post to be a boy and the fix is testosterone, so you heard this problem, you knew of people that their children were going through this, and how long did it? Take you before you decided to commit to pen to paper on this cell,

I spent maybe a month or so just to hearing the reports of the parents and reading the original study. There's an original study that the book, as you know, job that jumps off from which is the LISA. Let me paper brown, universal public health research or who looked into this, and she found that there was all of a sudden this huge epidemic in America, of ten age, girls deciding they were trans with their friends after social media margin and and pushing for hormones and surgeries you have a conversation about this with someone who's a trans activists, it says: well maybe what really going on just adjusting the argument of it me. Be what's going on, as there are a lot of trans women and there would be more or theirs are women. Who would turn Trans become a man? There would be more, but they'd never had had that door opened them before or it may be, there's more trans people than we think amazing. Amazing. So too great point, and I

automatic save? I you know I tried to look. I'm a journalist I like to look at ideas and both sides I didn't have like. I did not have a dog in this race solemn. Hey three reasons. I don't think that's compelling number one. And when LISA, let me looked at the prevalence rate, she found it seventy times. What we would expect within a friend group, which means is highly concentrated in groups of friends, but there's two other reason, so we wouldn't expect that if it were randomly distributed among the population with the two other is entitled, That's right number one, if we're just rewarding to normal now that there is greater society, societal acceptance right, we're just say we're just a boarding to reverse to a normal base rate of transgender women where wire world women in their forty and sixty coming out his trance. They should be coming out now their time now their moment. We should see tons of in their fortys and sixtys and so on, coming out his transgender or not. Seeing that we're

the same population that gets involved in cutting demonic possession, witchcraft, Anorexia, Billina, convinces themselves, there's a problem and and there's one enemy there's just one last reason is that suicide rates are going up. But if these women who were living under a prior yonder. Supposedly these all these transgender. These real transgender people were living under a more rapid the version manner now just finding themselves. This you would think the suicide rate would be going down with greater acceptance. So when you're saying suicide rates going up, you mean suicide rates with teens who turn Trans both with that's the rate of trade of suicide among this popular fertile among girls in general is extraordinarily high. This is just one part of the mental health crisis therein and and of all. We know that the rate that these did these kids, these trans identified kids, have very high rates of suicide, suicidal ideation

it's really. You know Mary of real concern that, while there is definitely an area of real concern, is well with some social media. Did you read? Johnson height spoke coddling at the American mine yeah. That was a on year. Share about that. I really like this label went on when I re watched it because he talked about exactly this. He connected to social media and heat about on your show, the huge rates were seeing anxiety, depression. All that, among these the girls and Ito, putting it together with LISA lament research in the other investigation. I done, I think it's really pretty here that one more manifestation of these girls who we know are involved in a lot of cutting in all kinds of self harm. This is one form of self harm for them, so there chill so, let's essentially say there's young teenagers that are confused and they're looking for something that makes them feel hole or something that makes them

your normal or something that gives them some sort of an escape from this axed that they suffer from an ear thinking that turning Trans is one of those pathways that they gravitate towards, but it might not necessarily be a good idea for them and is exactly right, These girls were transitioning the boys and they were living great lives and their mental health was great like it is for so many trenchant or adults. I wouldn't written this book. That's a great story. Lighted Nelson right forget when a transgender adults goes even injuns gender adults, suicide rates. Very high. There's no question in that's. You know that's a separate issue, but I do think that idea. I agree. I think that there are. I will personally believe that there are trenchant or adults have been helped by transition, sure that these girls are not being helped by transition. Just universally, I think, is a population yeah I mean that's that's what list at least Lippman study showed, but all, through my investigation. You know I hear from interview, a lotta parents. I also interview transgender Youth and they, you know they'll tell you

their anxieties, master, depressions, a mass transit and not cheering these girls. They drop out of school. They cut off their families, their not living a great life did so It's such a strange call right, and it mean mean strange. I don't mean strange in it: a negative way. I mean it's your dealing with hormones in a human body like you're you're, taking a woman and you're injecting hormones into her body, and your saying that these exactness hormones are we going to fix her, and I never never understand I give up. If this is my arguing about, How do we know How do you know that? That's what's going to do it and when you are doing that what damage is being done so it's one thing someone's a twenty five year old woman and they say I have always wanted to be a man, and I think I'm a man I think I was, I think, I'm born in the wrong body, but when your

going through this developmental cycle from seventeen eighteen, nineteen, twenty. There is a lot of chaos, mess a lot of hormonal chaos. There's a lot of confusion. I don't think there's any thing specifically that you, in point two, that could say some sort of an intervention chemically some sort of? If you step in now and start injecting this I was male hormones, is gonna fix all your problems, but at its really popular to do the it's really popular in these girls. Getting it on their own diagnosis, so they're just going in and self diagnosing nobody questions it. We now have informed consent. Twins you walk in the planned parenthood, you sign a waiver, you decide you have gender is for you got that David Testosterone Plan parenthood during the year, one of the biggest distributors. So you don't have to I have some sort of a long, such transitional

be session with in get your breast removed with no therapists, note woe. So you could be a concern used eighteen year old girl and walk into a plan. Parenthood self diagnose, with no therapy at all and Del prescribe tact test strong and you can get your press room absolutely sign a form of oil You can't you get your breast rude plan, paranoid about that. I know you do an so. You can also get your breast removed from yes, urgent surgeons, some tat some of them require therapists. Note I interviewed him in my book. Some who do not an you know. There are both kinds: Jesus, that's a big decision right, that's a decision that you can't really come back from what what do the surge of you talk to surgeons? Others? What are they

They think that, obviously were generalised re, its oil. They think a couple things I mean. Obviously there are a lot of surgeon to refuse to do it to interview them as well. They say you dont, destroy the biological function like I didn't become a doctor to destroy someone's biological function. Fer. You know something that they decided they have, without even you know, any oversight or, but but the ones who do it say look. This population is really desperate for surgery. It's a civil rights issue, do I know, if I'm you know I'm giving them what they were, what will seem to bring them? Comfort seems to bring them comfort, problem? Is it there's no like follow up to see how their mental health is afterwards, the surgeons basically Metallic wrote that is removed I ask you in your work here. The problem is we're not cars. Raves all connected, so, unfortunately Very often the mental health deteriorate- and I talk to you, one young woman, Desmond who,

amazing and she she decided in high school. She was tranche. You got celebrated everywhere, heard teachers her thereof I told her yeah you're. Definitely a man you're supposed to be a man affirmed her every she went. She got on testosterone and it caused uterine cramping, which can happen. It's one of the many bad side effects of testosterone. She had to have a hysterectomy, so twenty one she wakes up with a hysterectomy and she realized. This whole thing has been a giant mistake. Her mental health and not improved at all on. This was a huge like mistaken path. She had gone on and all the son she didn't know what to do. There was no one cheering or on anymore. Why do you think people get cheered on for this decision?

I think it America, we have our weakness for anything that gets cloaked in civil rights and part of that is very noble and good. Obviously, those civil rights movement was extremely important in our country and and and extremely you know, valuable and valorous, but but now anything that could call the civil rights issue. You can't question so I interviewed parents and they'll Tommy there, almost all politically progressive gay most the parents of commie are politically progress of an I interviewed. Almost five does not. Now and they'll tell me, like I support algae Bt Q, but I really I'm not sure this is right. For my daughter, like I don't I don't think she's really gendered is for she's, getting worse like what is going on here and I'll say to them. Would you take away her binder binders at compression garment? They were at a flat in their breasts.

And they say to me, I can't do that. I mean you know, I support L, GB tissue and what not now said Earl, you know sometimes Salem. Would you give her cigarettes? Why don't you give her cigarettes cause because a binder will deform press tissue, it can cause rib crap king it can cause shortness of breath. You know I was unaware of these binders, so this is something we call so yeah, but yeah right so makes them look like a man. So it's gotta squash. If you're a big breast that woman, it's gonna, squash even harder remained, is gonna, really try to flat new. To give you the physique. Had the appearance of a mouth is so it, but it's just an appearance, thinkers

that's just it appears in the usually sixteen year old girls don't usually go straight to top surgery. They start with binder or thirteen fourteen year old. So, do you think that something about what people are really susceptible to praise when they lean towards love the lean towards anything that celebrates their actions? It's real common mean you see with artists in sometimes sometimes for the worst right. You see see with comedians, which is my general area of expertise. When it comes to this, you see, sometimes a comical will do something, particularly on line and then gets rid of celebrated for that? I'm going to start doing a lot of it and seems disingenuous and weird, but the Dillard Fishing for for love, and you see what social media and pretended with people- and this is a lot of what happens with social justice warriors and online virtue, signaling right they're trying to get this reaction from

So if someone comes out as Trans in everyone's celebrates, if perhaps a little confused and they come Trans, no one says anything in there: just sort of they have to sit and think about it for themselves. That's one way But if someone comes out as Trans and everybody says, that's amazing- that's amazing. They want that feeling of that's amazing, seemingly ads they re. So I talk about his eye, Bulgaria, this young woman dandy, who was going to really hard time and in middle school really hard at thirteen finish. Really into these you tube Trans stars and who promised testosterone like the greatest thing ever and cheese she decided to start an account on one of the social media sites at and she came out as Trans and everybody congratulated her this a girl who is lonely. Everyone was telling her This is yours. You should be I'm so proud of you on there. For you, I'm your glitter family and a lot of them are adults

and lo and behold you wait till you know all of a sudden. They start asking for things like pictures right and I talked to transcend our adults. I touches I interviewed this Trans woman and crystal in my book. Who was you know very, very nigh interview her in and she made the decision as an adult transition and she said to me: was biological man now now, woman and and- and she said to me- you know when Caitlin happened was a nightmare for me, because I had come in going round my job. I know I didn't look perfectly like a woman, but I felt comfortable like I was now. I had people crossing the street to hug she said it was embarrassing. I have here in restaurants stopping to celebrate me boats on one hand, see this is worm torn because, on one hand, If you are trans- and you do feel better about this, but you confuse how people can react and then all this people are celebrating you like? Yes, this is great. I love the idea

in accepting society and people are open, loving and happy that someone is making this transition. But, on the other hand, I am very aware of the influence of the masses of just people's love and praise. It can shift you one way or another mean to me the Slayer Classic seen in a movie right with, as a boy doesn't want to get involved and manly things and then but his dad's. I come on son. I want to do Whitney just does it for his dab than you feel bad about it like that, classically. Human beings are so malleable, were so easily influenced does exactly where there were people met like no teenage girls. They can convince themselves of loss. Things cause they're going through a hard time re. Won't you ready as hard not having boys like Are you had social media? They have a chance looking like these face, tune, celebrities or even their face tune, friends right, so they feel terrible about themselves.

That is one of the things that job in height talked about when in terms of social media, the comparison of each of them in and when you start talking about face tuned, is perfect to the end of June there is a which one was it Chloe that, though, the face one? Ok Chloe card Ashen took a photo and put it on Instagram, and it's not her. I mean it just not. I saw her face and a friend of mine she. Said destinations like what the fuck is going on and she me that while they photoshopped her photo, they had accidentally removed part of her chain. So. She had a chain on like a thin chain independent, but about the right side of the chain is missing because they others whose wacky photo filters and they reshaped or face, and not her right of your kid and you look like Chloe She used to look like a kind of little bit awkward, you think of your ugly and then all sudden She looks like someone who's inanimate character. Would I be perfect woman in own terms,

like societies, beauty standards and that's not reason really what she looks like some of your kid and you look. Yourself in the mirror and you look at this picture of hurry. Like fuck, we do. I have to do what how do I look like that? Why do I look like this I hate myself. You know the act It happens. Eighty two girls in your class put face tune rose up? Yes, you stare, you sit there and you like I'm not as pretty oh, my god, she's got. Ten times. The number of friends like that I have, or whatever I love, that expression faced tuned. I've never heard as it does auto tuneful exactly these two. She hides a comparison things so strange? It's really weird the people do that these filters The use and it's it's? strange. I mean look at Adele re right. She came out with an out the Turkish here if he met with an audio Bach last week, and you want to celebrate and on social media, she posted a picture and the first comment on it. Is you look fat, so young girl see that anything they don't have a chance. This is

one of the most streamed recording our female recording earners. Ever right, beautiful woman. You look fat as the first comment. Well, that's a troll feel right. She's never was locked away. Did you get that now? She's, not fat, but you get a little having had. I don't Ivan dump underweight when they see the Glasgow re looks like a picture I wanted to. I mean: there's one thing: if she actually got large, that's just a mean person it, but she didn't that's a troll team, girls, don't evaluated. Thou art understand so they enemy and they should not be online. They should not be using european social media. Now, there's a lot of money should not be on social media. I mean not even just teenage like well under way. Manhood, I ain't. I know women that, like red things and they get they'll, ruin their whole daily it'll, wake them up in them overnight, it's not good. Now analyses faceless, nameless people that saying these mean things aren't even accurate.

But for whatever reason they resonate women always been like really empathetic creatures. They like care about with their friends, think they care about what other people think. You know it's some we're we're making massive generally about IRAN's Viva doktor, nobody, but here's here's why I say that because the reason that there's a reason that social contagion spreads among teenage girls specifically K, because you don't see tons of boy. Going round becoming anorexic, because their friends are if a teenage boy is depressed. His friend says let's go play basketball or video game, he doesn't say, let's sit and talk about it and because girls try to take on their friends, pay in very naturally and meet their friends where they are and they care they take on the pain of other people, specially their girlfriends

They are more likely to share and spread appear. Contagion like like Anorexia, like cutting and like Trans identifications, fastening you'd do talking about these mental health disorders, like the contagion like boat, there actually tejus, like you, can give it to your friends and your friends can take it on his right or we know there s right, anorak sex. They are always really careful when they them together. They have to be on hospital words, because we know that it will cause it to spread Anorexia. Will become more severe and they'll spread it. If you put a bunch of anorexic girls together and you dont, you don't take precautions to make sure that their just encouraging each other to lose more and more way. Well, that sort of phenomenon exists in men as well, but it exists like if, if a good aspect of it if you have friends at a very ambitious work, really hard, you want the ambitious work very hard as well, and if you have friends

losers, and they want to drink and put just waste her life. You tend to gravitate towards that too, because you get reinforced by the behaviour and the acceptance of your peers, Yan and then men are more competitive for sure I think manner more outwardly competitive their bright. But how do you know how I see it? my kids enough, I sailed into one brother, your brother's doing this. All of a sudden, I have the other ons attention in law. Do I look like when you got what's her instagram, it's been seaward they're gonna. Do we need a new box there's a book I've had enough on their minutes, where's the doors, the image, seasonal or fat. That's outrageous, which one did you see. We said she was for. I think it might have been that one. I don't know the one on the audio books, video is it a video or was it afforded rose a photo? I think I just looked at it that's long last week.

Bank out earlier this week. Anybody you say: ok, legitimate stopper there anyway, so that's factors of troll, your name, that's just a guy, probably whose an asshole well I think you looked like it was a woman posing actually cause. I was curious about that, but volume its role and pretend to be a woman. Just be the meanest woman and just go on these women. Doesn't make him feel bad I think there's a lot of people, men and women that really enjoy hurting people's feelings. On long enough, you look at that woman right there and say you look fat. Will that why not say you look like a giraffe correct both of em? Equally inaccurate, excellent fatter, all right between girls aren't good it like assessing that. So, for instance, I talk to one d transition are so she had gone on testosterone and regretted. It came after you, transoceanic de transition are young woman Helena brilliant young woman. I really, you know, learned a lot from her one thing she said to me: was you know, everybody just cares about how perfect you look today and how feminine and at the time

said, derives interviewing earnest, wait a second hold on what are you talking about, like I just saw stars warned of Lady Gaga Snub perfect looking, but she's awesomely how did human being like a woman that every young you know actors should an end singer should be looking up to, and she said to me and I ll never forget that she said to me: are you kidding? Do you see how they talk about her online and a real as I was only look listening to her albums seeing her in the movie, but Helena was looking at social media and she was seeing women. You know even is amazing, ask lady Gaga torn apart again. This is the problem of social media that we can discuss the green room, both the percentage of people that are really fuckin stupid, that a posting you getting a lot of people see if you just have people commenting things without knowing who they are like if you're. If you work in an office- and you have a bunch of people in Europe,

for that. You respect in their your peers, and they say Abigail. I think this illegal that, interesting Mary, because I respect your opinion, so I'm gonna have to take that into consideration. But if you read some no no face no name, you don't know who the fuck, it is blocked account, and they. Write something mean you will take that in your brain? The same we'll take your friend Mary. Will you respect and love? It's like the problem with human beings. Where we process information. If we don't have like, if you, some of the more on they say something you really like what makes more on everyone knows: MIKE's Maura its clear. But when you just read something in text, your text looks just like some idiot. Tat. You using the same font. You know it comes off, my phone just like him and it's hard to tell what started differentiate and when people are doing it specifically just to be mean it can

very, very confusing, and it just highlights the really poor quality of discourse to you. Get when you reading comments and you're you're dealing with social media on Youtube comments and twitter and all that stuff like it's just a really bad. Way to communicate with people in most of the people that are saying shitty things would now say, though shitty things of their right in front of that's exactly right. In the end, I think one of the things that make is it even worse is because somebody makes it in comment. You, ok, maybe it bothers you. Maybe it doesn't right, but if not in front of I don't know a thousand of your friends, now it's in front of a thousand of your friends. That's humiliating! Yes! Well you just SAM, We find that yes, yeah. Well we're not design for this. We really aren't. There was some like me, a minimum of pretty thick skin, but are not designed for it. So I don't read it: that's no real postings and I've run away, some people, can just sitting there and and and try to do so.

All the hate and turn people around him out heard people say they say meeting Maybe I say nice things back and they say hey. I was only kidding like why waste your time like what are you? What are you doing a proselytizing to fix people? What are you doing give you your ear, engaging in one of the worst forms of communication. We we have available to US anonymous human beings that just post their opinions, their opinions be their opinions. I don't have any power of people's opinions. Let them have their opinions. Hard not to I mean a pertinent, like I think it's really hard like somebody's postpone something about you on Facebook or twitter, whatever every pretty seeing that you just got called the name in front of a thousand yeah yeah way more, depending on which you know form is on whatever it's it's really hard to just. Nor now it's really hard and its particularly hard. If your young developing, you know it's really, part of your fifty year old man. But if you

seventeen year old girl and you're in this awkward time, your life. It can be really devastating, but that's why they shouldn't be on it. It's fuckin bad for them that for I agree, but I tab. I tell parents, if you can, you know, don't introduce social media and get them off at it all the problem is the friends are all right. You know much more. My daughter's was twelve. Her friend has an integral page, she's, ok, scam pays a mug. You are out of your mind, like you, don't want that. I think you want that. What are your friends you wanta, let's check with our three years when she's gone, crazy is not good right, so leave. We can now pinpoint right a lot of mental health issues. Special effects age, girls, right to social media and again, the coddling of the American Maria offend ass to absolute that covers in you know it's not just girls, its boys, its humans, its adults grown whim and on man it's it's a really bad way to communicate with each other answer a bad way to exchange ideas.

And now they're telling their watching these you there these influencers, which is another thing you have these trans influencers in they promised these girl said. If they just go on t everything will get better and the prom one thing they do ok. So why are they a couple reason? So one is a test Austria has certain good effects, so it delivers euphoria and its two. It suppresses anxiety. Eighty and anxiety is one of their biggest problems, so they go on it and they feel great and they can't wait to tell their friends it makes their period go away and redistribute fat. So now these girls feel, like I just beat puberty, I feel amazing. I wanna tell everybody how wait, I feel, and they are brave all of a sudden there braver and socially bolder. The problem is, of course, what they know

like to talk about online is all the really dangerous stuff that comes with testosterone to like it leads to hard infertility like risk of cardiovascular attack in Oak hearted. A risk of heart attack was way up. There's your body hair facial hair, quit They want that. So I did not hear a facial here, more aid for now, but its permanent, you know a lot about here is permanent can be about one Trans women, when I'm such a man transition to a woman, don't they lose either by her stay lose some of that. But some of them are you mean everybody's deferent, led some of them are stuck with the five o clock shouted for life. How does a kid no whether they are someone who's being easily influenced and someone who is giving you to this anxiety and you are a part of the way you're describing a contagion amongst your friends,

verses. Someone is genuinely trance of someone who genuinely is born in the wrong body, so we have a hundred you're diagnostic history, gender does, for we know what it is. It's not guess work. We know It is in this whole history. It typically presents in early childhood ages to forest when we see it starting and its was overwhelmingly boys little boys who say no mommy, I'm not a boy. I'm a girl call me a girl only want to play with other girls only want to do. You know play with girl toys and they sometimes they hate their sexual organ. I mean. Sometimes you know it's a severe persistent and sis consistent feeling and then a lot of them would grow out of it and some of them wooden and they would become what we used to call transsexuals now we are seeing an explosion of young women. You know suddenly decide their trans with their friends and they are doing it, and friend groups, though, have a whole friend group of Trans kids

They are doing it after social media, emergent, transit or adults. Never did it because of social media and it certainly never won them friends. So what about women? That were Tran, like I say, predominantly edits its boys, who were and be girls, but what about girls who want to be boy said that existed tail and that also typically began in early childhood and most got most of these kids have left alone without ground so did generous, for is something that you know most most kids, if they, even if they experience the real thing well outgrow and some Yeah. I was reading an article about gender destroyer. They were talking about it for as well even saying gender is for you, I think is hate. Speech now think is posted in the dsl

now the whole DSM hates me. Yes, Europe! Could you don't mean to be everything's eight speech, because people are gone with guns wacky, but there talking about. There was a study done on men who, bans, gender, just for you at a young age and then transition to become gay and just be just became gay just we'll get and they realize like this was just a part of their process in their happy as a gay man and they didn't transition. So that's very technical know how these mercies. Kids, what emerges homosexual adults? That's? The thing is the slorc: if we're cool with people being trans- and we are obviously we mean especially adult- why, But you know what is it better than to be like this idea that if you just leave him alone, they become gay men or would we mean how many of them were?

be trans if they were encouraged that direction. How many of us are they happen this way or that way, I feel very very. Human problem by human, let me in there is not really a good answer. Their human problems are slippery problems where it's like your develop. Like particular you talking about young people, there weird hijacking there d many years yet you're deciding ok, we made a decision. Yo China do forever we're gonna jump in now. We're gonna stop your reproductive cycle right, we're gonna jump in now and introduce hormones that were never in your body and we're gonna. Well, there little bit tiny tiny amounts, we're gonna jacket up to the roof like Fuckin hulks Logan near you're, you're gonna be a different person now, and I shall I hope you can make this decision at seventeen that will affect the rest of your life. I hope you're you're mentally capable of doing that and that's a tall order is a tall order in this new medical oversight. Right now, there's no man, I mean we have

no idea what long term testosterone use does to a female's body at tend to forty times what her body would normally have. Guy we don't know we can talk about the risks, but we don't know but has not presented to people as a highly experimental medicine, which it is it's not reviewed by an institutional review board. They make a town like it's something you can just sign a waiver for no big deal. Why is this? Why is there no review? Why is an oversight wisest. So free and Lou I mean a sign. Is it a good sign, we're like more progressive, now, more open minded, and but because of that thing I've got a little slippery in terms of what we celebrate and what we should rationally stepped back and objectively analyze and say: hey. Is this really the right way to handle this? I, I think one of the things that happen was in two thousand twelve w path, which is their transgender health. You know organization,

worldwide organisation. I'm change to an informed consent model saying that people should be able to get that the drugs they want or are you no claim to need, on based on their own, were you say, form your aware of the risk and they get it and the poor problem was. Maybe they felt that there was too much gay key being, as they call add or too much questioning. They felt, and you know that there were people who are getting the medical care they. They needed the problem as you, Who had? Eighteen and the age of medical consent varies by state in organ is fifteen, it varies and you had that age you you can get it. You walk out the Darwin arguments, fifteen yeah, that's crazy, don't even fully form personnel and you don't need your parents. Approval Madonna we were talking before we got on the air about children like a really young children transitioning. You were saying that most people who

transition, know when their very young there. What is a real. That's a hot button topic for people, children and hormone blockers and children, but I keep going to is. If you are a woman and you you know you're a woman, why do you need to get these hormones injected into your body? But why can't you just be a woman I'll call you a woman like what? What are we doing with all these hormones like? Why are we complete, like imagine, you're a person who says I need a transition to be a woman, and I know that I need a chemical that have never had a my body before and if I get that chemical injected, then I'm gonna be happy rights and elegant surgery but to be happy. That's what I'm supposed to be re. So the big problem with this is that you're making all that citizens that normally a doctor would make- and you do not have to Any other area of medicine a doctor makes it they say hold on. I know you,

you need? You know whatever opioid I'd but just relax. Let's see what your piano, I I mean. That's you know effectively will clean a what facilitate the opium crisis, doctors just handing over the prescription pad and we're seeing that right now with anybody who claims to have gender, for if they get it these they self diagnose, they say. No! No! No! I know it's my problem. They don't have a mental health professional who says away. Second hold on. You have very high anxiety, depression. You have a lot of other mental health stuff going on. Let's deal without first any therapist who dares to say that violate one of the nineteen conversion therapy laws. We now have in nineteen different states whose nineteen conversion nightly which bans converge so called conversion therapy even on gender identity, which means a therapist kaluza licence if they say hold on. I know you want to transition. I know you think your promise gender disfigure. Let's talk about some of your other problems, while so a therapist. If you're a fifteen year old kid you come to Europe,

new say all my friends are going Trans thing. I'm trans to the doktor has to assume so we go with you on this will pass on their doctors fail. But they have to I mean the American, the number of association market, Medical Association and princess highwaymen, you name it American pediatric society. All these met medical professional organisations. Most of them have adopted affirmative care. Which means their job is to affirm the patient self diagnosis. With regard to this one issue, I mean they're there. You know it's running doctors into life, coaches right there, much time if we ve been doing this for how long the time period, when this really started to escalate the last decade Rossi made fly across the last. I mean it's in Canada, you

hey. You know. Scandinavia were seen numbers across the west, all of a sudden, its teenage girls, it's the very same girls who spread every other. You know contemporary history are every other hysteria boy. It makes you feel this law lawsuits common. I wouldn't be surprised. I mean these doc. These girls are getting these things so easily in their fifteen there. Sixteen there seventy three tee, how many the general, when you're doing sport, so I conducted almost too your dinner is so how many teenage girls- or specifically, I actually don't- know. I interviewed a lot- a lot of people and a bunch of adolescent girls as well. And more than ten more than twenty year more than ten, but I dont know I have to have a like spreadsheets for this added you interview, ones that were happy with a transition. Yeah yeah, you know still our young, but I do know, are viewed in planters and I interviewed parent

and I read adolescent girls, and some of these girls have, you know, can stayed with their transition and claimed to be happy, be. Maybe they are some of them, but the problem is, if you ask, if you find out objective things about their lives right, are you still in school or did you drop out, or did you cut off your family and do not do you have friends what your social live like, what your job to ever regular job, very often the picture is, is a dark one. It's not a good one, and that is the case with a lot of people in general, though especially people that have the kind of problems that have to begin with, this gigantic decision. The questioners did: did this decision of transitioning help or her ray, and where would they be? If they didn't? You were talking about them before saying they were already in a dark place, authority. Awkward team agers the kind of girls who cut themselves. Canna girls were prone to anorexia and witchcraft. This is the year you're dealing

someone who doesn't have a rosy future already right, but I think we used to call that acts teenage eggs mean they got past it deplorable milk you're right, not everyone, but now there gettin they're, getting prescriptions they're, changing the whole course of their lives so easily, with no medical oversight, weakening numbers, we're talking about come how many people are doing this? Ok, so the numbers are harder detract in the United States because we don't have centralized, met medical care and what here, but here the numbers that I can't tell? U k so generous for you to afflict point a one percent of the population, so one in ten, thousand people? So probably no one? You went ice go with, but today We already know that two percent of high school students are identifying is transgender and two percent of high school. Soon to talk about one point: one million teenage. You know I school kids in America, two percent two percent- and when did this happen, emotional, MC girls, yeah real money,

of them a girl. Is a Democrat really well, I mean the number. We can just look at the number of gender surgeries and we see that in twenty six to between twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen, the number of gender surgeries for biological females quadrupled. So we know they are the biggest and fastest growing population. Wow tube. That's a stunning number, two percent! You go from oh point. One percent of the whole population, a whole population to too high schoolers and the vast majority. Furthermore, teenage girls yeah what what? What is the majority? We talk about. Eighty percent what is the number I don't know, but he had was a little bit unity. We out very indication Emma. We know that I can give you a bunch of other statistics, one the reasons as hard to know exactly how many aside from the fact that we don't have a centralized control. This is because you dont need an actual diagnosis of gender is for it to get testify.

So you just go in and get it. You don't need the diagnosis in England, where you, where you have a centralized medical care and there you do- need a diagnosis. They know that the numbers forty four adolescent girls are up over four thousand percent. Holy shit so you knew all the step for Europe the work. This is all the numbers that, whereas now I came out in the course of writing and some of them had to kind of a firm. Your idea, the real problem I mean everywhere. I looked, it seemed to be a real problem. It wasn't a nobody wants to talk about it, but it's real well to see. Because would you no more talk in Baltimore grow peers landmine up here's? What am I like everything we're saying like? If you talk at all about Trans people. You We run the risk of pissing people, often offending people and staying out. You know you you're you're good, wing into an area where it's in less you are one hundred percent in support of

their decision and their rights and use you? U celebrate them. You're gonna get into real trouble right, but that's why we have this problem has Nobody'Ll talk about it, because parents will call me and say I I I've been pro algae betake, you my whole life. I just don't think this is right for my daughter. I can't even talk to my friends about it. I'll get fired five job if anybody fines out, but my daughter's, not she's got a lot of problems, but gendered is for is not one of them like. I don't think this is right and I don't think he's gonna cure her. If you have to work in your work all day You know how much time do you have to even convince your daughter, your daughter's whither, wacky friends, eight hours, a day and she's on the internet and the blindness her school. Her schools already filled out of warm calling her Jimmy Ray

for a year. They don't even tell you who every people dont, think people are easily influenced. That's how cold start called don't start as they make sense called start because people want to belong. You know and the idea that there is not a difference between someone is wound, join some crazy radical cult to belong verses, any other sort of social movement that lets that's a lot of what people do. I mean people you you're, seeing it now with a laugh of our society? There's there's passive people go onto on to see other people doing it and they see a lot of people getting celebrated, and so they go down that path, and you know this is This really is a lot of the foundation of the social media influence or mean one of that. One of the reasons why they're doing that is because they see other people do it and they see they get this sort of positive

action from it, and then they wind up saying. Oh, this is the path and I'm going to go on to make to jump from that sort of thinking and behave or to changing your gender is where people hesitate. They like she's right. About this. Is this woman, a big it like? Who are you who are you, and why did you write this book and what is the react and been what what's a negative reaction been from people who are Trans cell Ito? I get a lot of positive react. And beyond, as parents from all over the country. Right. Namibia, like thank you so much normal talk weathers. Let's augment transgender reaction, the asked reaction I get from transgender people is. That has nothing to do with me and I would say I agree with you there has nothing to do with a normal transgender persons experience. They didn't come up with this online, but do some activists attack me at, but you know biological men, who are

and activists believe that we should not be able to have a conversation about the mental health of teenage girls and their shutting down yeah. Why we, let that happen whose lay not happen and what are the repercussions of them fighting against this? Is it what you're talked him up for where these therapists, if they in any way suggest that this is not a good idea for the kid they can lose. Lies and everybody I may I get so many top doctors will contact me like me, live in the Soviet Union. They will say gotta can't talk about this, but I really you know. Have to let you know that what's going on here is crazy and I don't agree with this diagnosis and its clearly socially influenced, and you all this stuff and you think, like you, can give your metal. We'll opinion without getting fired. That's not good yeah what dangers but why things that I see is when women are Trans women when a male transitions to being woman and then enters into spaces. They do so

the aggressiveness of male and this is something that a lot of women have been very upset about was particularly turfed in our trans, exclusionary, radical feminist? There are real hard time with biological males, talking about feminists issues and shutting, down discussion, but whether not trans people are women, whether or not they should be in these spaces, whether they should be in these conversations, and we do so with a very aggressive half an aggressive, and I would say I've interviewed a lot, a transgender adult, and let me tell you there not out there to make women uncomfortable, once I interview, I want to know how they want to be happy there left alone, it's great, like their wonderful people, these activists a little crazy. You know people who will pay into a arrest. You know locker room, insist on showering where you ve got a bunch of, and this happened I wrote about in in in o n in Palm springs a girls in a water polo highschool team showed

does it shower in their lock room, and there is a full man showering in the shower and the girls got scare in oak uncomfortable and he announces he's a woman. He is entitled yeah and you can have a penis and be a woman which is also Ok, I give aiming to make the commitment I give you gonna, be in a shower with a woman Jesus Christ saying, you're a woman and having a penis being shower the bunch women mean we gotta come with some sort of a way of protecting young girls from people who are doing things like that? Where the You shouldn't have to see a naked man in the shower. If you're about logical, female- and you know your fifteen years old and your ear, do you think you're showering with your team and a male comes and re as male says that there are woman and you have to take them at their word when you're a woman when we need to do in the train, bathrooms me. What do we need? I mean: how does that works? Good question? I mean you can't even nobody standing up for these girls right rattle

Few people are saying hold I like you can't they are rewriting kinetic and can it in a state of Connecticut. Ok, then, the biological boys are allowed in town compete, girls; they they are mediocre boy runners and their winning the trophies. They are setting records in Canada. Yet they are literally are racing Truman, This girl athlete records of kinetic and they don't have to do anything in terms of transition. They just have to say that identifies rain right, which is crazy. It's not like they have to be on estrogen. Therapy for multiple years. Some of them are, but you know what the effects of testosterone on the body during puberty on a males body are profound: yeah me. I know you talk about this like fast, which muscle fibre, you know, but muscle, mass bone density. I they have bigger hearts: men, beer, lungs, but more oxygenated blood, the adee, you know differentials found is, is profound and it's interesting than if you discuss this you're, a big it. It's really weird and its.

This denial of reality, that it's not what you don't want, someone to be happy but for someone to say that its fair for a biological mailed to compete against biological females, that's crazy! You have this conversation would be Bio, say, ok, what do you think men should be able to join women's teams? No well, then, why? What are we doing very well? What are we doing? If should then be able to compete against women no, ok, so biological males that identifies women should be able to compete against. Women is ours, These are still males like when make the transition like. When is it? Do you have to, and then more people point to outlaw, here's, what some women than have more testosterone, naturally and ok. But there are very rare lino in May. You know when one of those gets in your division in your woman and she happens also be a woman and she has naturally more testosterone. Well, I guess you're fucked, but that's just now. Sure I mean that's also like if you're my size and you wanna play basketball against Lebron James you're, fucked too, you know like com.

This is not necessarily all that fair when it comes to just human bodies, like some people, just genetically gifted and some people are not but we make a distinction for a reason. The biological distinction between males and females is because are overwhelmingly stronger, faster, have larger hearts, more oxygen capacity, bigger bones. This does so many factors different shape of the hips different areas. Thousand Felix right, the world's fastest woman right this amazing? U S olympian rain, so she ran four hundred metre anything forty, forty nine point, two six sections, unbelievable unbelievable she has more olympic gold medals. The new sane bolt k, amazing athlete in twenty eighteen. Three hundred boys in high school in America could beat her. That's nuts yo, it's unfair

because outside of athletic competition, I would like them to be recognised as a full woman. I would like that I would have everybody just treated them like their woman and and and respected them with their new name or whatever they want to do. But when you get involved and athletic competition where I took a lot of heat was when it was about mix martial arts where there was a mixed, martial arts fighter who transit and- and there was just a story written about the other day- was ridiculous. DORA saying that the science protesting at junk science, which is horse shit, and this person was a mail for thirty years, became a woman for two started beating the fucker. Women without telling them that shit, had been a male most of her life and in peace. We're? So that was where I really realized. That's when I first start to realize it. There's some crazy psychological connection to this there's like, though the them, but the arguments that people have these progressive

arguments there, they're saying these things, not necessarily because they ve objective Lee Rash in dissected. This problem and looked at it in terms of our pro and cons and what's really happening, but they looked at it from ideological standpoint in a very rigid one like if you want to be accepted by progressive people, that is a woman, always woman. I got this back. My talk people on Twitter? But I had this one conversation with this woman and she said that she was always a woman, and, I said No, she was a man for thirty years, shows notion was always a woman. I said even when she got a woman pregnant and had a bay We chose yes, even then I'm like well we're done, that doesn't make any sense wherein wound ray. You tell it every year ideology women are getting beaten to uphold by found Fox you're right, they were well, but you know, I mean look who's standing up for women, that's the problem by

a logical women get fucked, because the ideas, the Trans women in this Olympics of oppression, trans limb, women are their deemed high on the scale there more oppressed and more marginalized than biological limit, so vile google women get fucked over in this disease and because so few people are trance. This person do this never one can celebrate and if you're not competing against her. So what like? No no one has a stake in the game, so they they dont. Really they don't really care. And the women that fought her without knowing see I'm in full support of people fight. Her if they know that she is to be a man? If that's what you want to do, I'm in full support, the skydiving riding bulls. Go you gonna jump more across bikes, undue flips due to the fuck. You but you should know what you're getting into you know. If you show up to go on a pony ride and when put you on a ball, that debt seems that's not good, you should know the about get on a ball. If you think you're going to fight a

biological female turns out to be a man who was, man for thirty years and then transition to be a female and has been on natural male hormones, author puberty, alter, was life and then becomes a she now unified. And they're, not tell you. That's crazy, looking martini and ever to lower? She cancelled re? Yes, she lost her sponsorship for saying it's not fair for biological men to compete with women and sport. Sponsorship wasn't athlete ally when the vote, is athlete. Ala wouldn't work there, an l, L Dvd, you imagine, furthermore, how those things get lumped together, That's Douglas Mary has a great book but that is demanded crowds and I'm in the middle of it right now one thinks it he points out. It's like generally, is that the idea of lesbians and gay men being together is kind of ridiculous are so different because gay men are like lesbians. Think of gay man has been like Peter PAN like there, never gonna grow up, didn't have to and lesbians easily. It's like different things,

You don't know silly pal. Around together, Yea interviewed a lotta lesbians for the book, who have really like taught me a lot about just how beaten down there in the broader culture today, because you know their groups. In full traded, they have these underground social groups. Now I've heard this for many lesbians across the country they have underground and the reason they need these vetting processes for their social groups is trans activists will cut, try to come in, insisting their lesbians and that's what I'm talking about men that come women? They they retain some of the characteristics it make. Men gross and part of that is being aggressive and competitive and wanting to dominate space and this is what some of the things that a lot of these tests have had a problem with them. This is why they became trans, exclusionary, radical feminist because they felt like these biological males were entering into their bases with that sort of male energy, I mean even the name turf like they don't call them said nobody calls themselves. I mean, I guess they do now or as a joke. I like that.

Derisive term. It would like any woman who stood up for women was a turf yeah. It's it's it's so weird! You know, because you can't sit like what did it? There's this thing we're supposed to Trans woman is a woman king, but your trans woman. No, but you are right, your trans woman, but you're, what like this there's we're game were poor and its new. I mean yes, you know what what they used to call transsexuals and prior arrows. They never talk said they were always data lie about. While it might there very open about the ones I have interviewed many and their very open another bottle did. I say I grew up as a boy I'm most comfortable presenting is about to pretend that history, the next as well. This is all because a social media- and it's all because if you don't go if you don't toe that line. You experience attacks and if you read those attacks, hurt your feelings, and so then you adjusts and I've seen p.

We'll do that I've seen people say things that there really believe and then get attacked and then a job didn't say something that is more to appease the masses that it is their actual thoughts on the matter and it's it's hard because they can get fired. You know you can get in real trouble. It's so funny. I think you're right about There is actually because I really- I really do, because I think social media has more to do with suppressing speech than anything else and innocent, because you know it's like these parents will cause me and they'll be like you know, my daughter says: she's a boy and it's getting worse the worst. The more I go along with it is getting worse and I'll say to you know I'll say why don't you? You know teller Whatever you do, they don't want to go along with it and take. Why don't you take away or binder? Why don't you? You know what would happen if you did this I'll ask you know and those they'll sort of say. I can't do that and what they're afraid of in two summits and is aside from a leaning, their daughter, they're, afraid of social media rate. I mean everybody's always watching they're, afraid of them all they're afraid of the mountain and

also you're not gonna, get a lot of support from other people that aren't being attacked by the mob. If you get attack by the mom, here's was interesting very few boy come dear aid because their worried about being by the Monti. They'll sit back and even though they love you the hope you survive the attack, but they won't jump into the fray and citizens say the parents listen. This has nothing to do with algebra too. He writes. Okay, if you see your daughters and harm if you think she's not doing well your parent, Rome, it didn't. I have to make a policy statement. Ok, you can still support every kind, civil rights issue about you, know, L, Gb Rights or whatever. This has nothing to do with it. You think you're daughters in harm's way. You can protect her. That's your job is apparent also were denied the nuances of psychology that people our malleable and there's a lot going on. There is a lot I mean people are not binary, it's out one or a zero you're this or that your happier you're not, and this is going to fix. It would indeed inject tune slice off your boobs. It's nice, that's not human,

you know. We very so wildly that I think for someone look at a teenager and come to. Conclusion that you in fact would be happier that should be an arduous process. We are presented with all sorts of opposing information. Someone like you should be at a debate like it should be an elegant, others should be pros and cons presented. There should be now that it should be something we are looking at. The all life like your future, will be radically different. If you take the path, a versus path, be right. So that's how medicine? disgusted other types of medicine and medical conferences. Writer. They have drug out for cholesterol and and there's a conference in everyone, discuss the risks and benefits and what are the harms and what is the percent chance this could hurt. You know everybody is open in discussing it and whenever I talked to doktor to you know, work around

This issue may be there and endocrine knowledge, as or whatever they will tell me that when they attend medical conferences and Transgender Meadow medicine comes up, it is a purely celebration festival nobody's discussing risks nobody's talking talking openly about them they can yeah, it's so hard, because I've met of female. Two male trans people like we're talking about buck angel. Therefore the shows great love him he's a nice guys ran interests not to talk to him on the park task, and that makes sense. Key always knew that he should have been a male and that feels way better and in when you're around and like you get it, I totally tenderly and he doesn't look. He didn't do this to win France. No, he didn't know this because a social media murden right, no, you tube sorrow, convince buck angel. Ok, he stands up to all them all the time. That is also the thing rain. He uses the term the term biological that they don't like right. You know he uses biological female.

Biological Maisie lives. In reality, he doesn't pretend that he was always biologically male he's an easy like how you went away. As Europe exists and is: have you gone back and forth on those of you have large girl opinions that you abandoned or yeah yeah? How so I'll tell you one, the one that that I think are released struggled whether that surprised me big time was people always try to get me to say. Is child abuse to put your cannot puberty blockers and whatnot child abuse? The parents are committing child abuse and I don't say that, and I noted that, for a reason cause. I'm interviewed the parents, and once you interview parents of peat of kids, that parents who have transition their kids, you, you start talking them and you realize that they thought they were doing most right for their kid. They were really scared. They didn't know like they're, very, concerning third, there worried and they ve been encouraged by mental health.

Mental health professionals who should have been looking for the child that, if you don't do this, your child could kill him. Could killers offer himself, you know and that's terrifying and sometimes I'll bring up the risks with them, and they won't have heard about them I'll, say book. You know just Checking with you, you know what it's! What about the long term? You know maybe for closing orgasm like you're. If you She goes through all this and goes on there. You know me of that. To testify, and then goes see, no gets a surgery. Is you because they never went through normal puberty? They may never experience orgasm. What about that and I ll never have heard flat or you were putting so many capacities at risk, because it is a real problem with the way people are willing to discuss things that are not willing to in any way addressed the negative aspects of transitioning and one of that one of the things about hormone ban. Is it drove me mad with we're trying to say that you could put a child on hormone blockers than if the child change their mind. There would be. No point

whatsoever, but they ve reversed I have ever sent in the England in England, they ve Rivers in America too. They were very recently. There was something that got released where they were saying will. This is absolutely not true. While this is something the people of south, Ed over an overgrown, aggressive, peering particular right. It totally neutral intervention. Just rather they said yeah. Hey. Let me relieve you of any of the stress about this, because we know that ITALY no problem at all. You could transition right back, but you can't that's not true, you do know a factor, development and then hormone shower the brain and down just that you now and do you know that does right. I've talked to a lot of experts, but I've also tried to parents who were never told about this, and so I don't blame them like I just, I just don't. Have your parent like? How do you know whether your kid is in this contagion? As you put it off, Oh, your kid is actually trans like. How do you know how it anyone know? How would the person that's trends?

showing themselves. How would they move right, suits their symptoms in the dsl that have evolved, persistent, consistent, insistent, severe discomfort and a two year old and for your old doesn't keep us. You know feelings to himself if he hates being a boy, insists that really a girl is punching his, you know, penis in whatever it's not something I can imagine that a generalization, because people vary widely in the way they deal with things that bother them right. So I think that the dsl is a list of generalizations about different mental health disorders, indifferent afflictions. Agree with that when you talking about a boy hating their peanuts and the way they react I'll, let you know not everybody lets you know they're in agony and pain or or kids pre, school age. Kids are pretty in a typical family in whether or not you know been abused, mistrust or whatever you know, kits pretty much announce it in my experience announce almost every

I mean they're, really, oh, but I hate this either whatever they. You know, it's not the kind of thing apparent, won't know, but do you sent book Kids should be on hormone blockers. I I I don't I have never look, I'm a journalist, so I explored talk to everybody and explore every side of every issue- and I I think that hormone blockers are really significant interventions, they me dangerous. We dont fully of a hand on the long term effects, but am I someone who believes they should be? totally banned. You know I have said that I've never take that position because a lot of cycle just that. I really respect haven't said that a lot of doctors that I respect, and said that there is no one they could help. Could you imagine that those doctors and psychologists would be in fear of expressing that they don't think it's a good idea? The same. Will you.

Discussing therapists will secretly talk to you about the problems of them expressing themselves? Honestly right I mean this is how I see it like say: there's one kid who can be helped by puberty blow: curse. Until I mean I explored of these issues, a lot of people until you know psychologist, I respect people who ve been very open on a lot of stuff until they tell there's no children who could ever be help ip ready blockers. I'm not someone who will come out in favour of a ban of banning lunchtime. But the truth is the big square and how would we know whether your kid is the kid that could be beneficial did it get could benefit from pure blockers. Worse is one lay. You really should just let become an adult and go through The various changes that children go through. Remember that most kids apparatus So what I'm sayin rights are not doing anything not doing a major intervention is probably in many cases a totally safe bet. Another

You don't have to go in there and immediately amene part of it's crazy about our age? Is we think the moment you're in with our kids are in distress? We need to educate them, they can never be upset right. Now we are in a pushing this accommodation of every discomfort and free rein, everything our kid say and its perceived to say the there's gonna be a lot of people. Listening to this, I don't even want us talking about this, because Europe, stereotypical biological theme, on the stereotypical, biological male. Maybe a lot of people say this is not even your space to be discussing right. So I am not an expert in psychology. I wrote about appear contagion affecting teenage girls and I can't talk about that either in which I explore. I let the experts talk, you know in the book, I mean that's what I did I put together. You know studies, and I mean

that's what journalist do we just put together the material based on who we interview and what they had to say and their expertise and there's their research? And you know what it's shut down all over the place. People I've had podcast right too and sad loved heavy on its too hot, really here, they'll, say to me mere basically, and what they don T is. A bunch of trans activists are offended that you're talking about teenage girls, the mental health of teenage girls, not the activists re, who are mostly biological males. This is teenage girls, health at work here, talk about it. I mean I've. Had my publisher, they're, trying to get my polish or to drop me there's a huge campaign. For that I mean it's like you know, in use this example before like abortion, some people say abortion is just a women's issue. No one else can have an opinion about it, and other people feel like people feel different ways of abortions. Other people feel wait. A second is not just about a women's health is also the life of this

unborn child, and so you know people feel differently like who is allowed to have an opinion on abortion, but this issue is dead. I'm talking about is just about the health of teenage girls. That's it! So why can't we talk about? What's going on with these teenage girls? Why can't we try to get them? Some help I agree with you, but we're in twenty twenty people go on bonkers, Really that's really what this is, as you have identified, something that is that real concern. When you talk about the percentage renew said. Two percent of all these kids are identifying as Trans in high school as opposed to zero point. One percent, where it used to be used to be one in ten thousand right. Now, it's two out of a hundred injustice. Hey just unharnessed urine, it's like a lot and objectively the way you're describing that particular time period in a child's development. It is

fraught with pair right right me so much going on in a girl's life as sees transitioning. From being a kid to being a woman and going through all the hormones in our society and our all are the chaos School on the social stuff by air is the hardest. Is the hardest here period for anyone to go through it so hard purity right except now these girls are being taught in school and there may encouraged online. You have an escape hatch. You when you you for some discussions. You are talking about a discussion that you had on television show with other with trans people. How do they react to this? oh so I haven't been on the one, with that that also there I was just talking about sports knew that was not. I don't think the reactors are now just for its even IRAN with a giant athlete who's. Your trans outweigh the way with their thoughts

it should be allowed to break world records. I cas something like that: they should be able to compete with women, yeah yeah, how the host handle it. Who is think was a little nervous. I mean you know, nobody wants fights like it here trouble just having nor normal conversation say it's crazy, except on your show, some other people out there but yeah. Well, because there is backlash and but again once you are getting fucked over biological women and I just think that's crazy. I just I don't understand why people willing to kowtow to the mob, like that in Karlsruhe, noticing We know that they have fallen in regard and Stalin and status in the broader culture. They know it. They know that they can't speak up if they don't think it's fair, that than a media her boy athlete just beat them in a race and took the title. They know that there. They know they shouldn't have to walk the that nobody is protecting them. From that

you know full man in their shower in the locker room, nobody speaking up on their behalf. They know it, they feel it, and so the they don't think women woman how to such a great thing right now, some organisations are recognising that it's an issue power lifting they're they're starting to ban. Biological mails from competing in women's divisions of power, the thinkers the litter below the roof off world record used to be a crazy. I mean it. As one who was winning these world records, and looked at her and you like? What in the fucker you even talking about that? That is nonsense, lays bench twice as something may well mean we're talking about squats and, alas, and president limpid lifts, which are particularly mean. These are really difficult to do anyway. My hand to achieve the type of numbers that

These trans women are achieving its their world record, not re, because they ve never had a woman do that before, because they really were born women's right to think about how many female, athletes your eliminating, not just taking the trouble, Did your eliminating everyone, you're saying that Venus and Serena Williams never existed? Example it is it's a very strange thing and it's it's one of the by products of being progressive and open minded and caring and loving. We want these people to find there too and be themselves- and we want them to do that, but not at the expense of are logical women, you know it's it's shouldn't be that way and we're talking about athletics. If you talk about Lennox, you talk about physical human bodies and their different, their different between minimum, and anybody who says not. Let me introduce you to a few people because I know I demand that are freaks and though you tell me no woman looks like that, like get the fuck out of here, all that and so on,

I give our marrow is one of the top you Epps, you have see fighters if that guy decided that he was going to be a woman. Transition to being women woman, the Young gave him two years or what you would deal with the most spectacular woman athlete the world has ever known by far because he's a freak cause he's a freak as a male in oh and there's that line that spectrum, when you get into the male physicality, when you get into strength pure energy, they build it. A live thing That is the difference between men and women is so vast, just grip strength, just average males grip strength in comparison to an elite. Female athletes, grip strikes, Avc males, much more strength and just rich guy who barely does anything, that's right and I think about like where all the heroes for these young girls I grew up in the era of like worshipping like

our Tina and Chris Advert and Jan as I played tennis, and you really look up to these women. I mean they're, so stronger so fast, and what? If? What? If all of a sudden Natalie you'd, do you never get to hear about Chris ever because She was beaten long ago by biological man. Now you have a man who says he's a woman whose now what how many girls are lining up to be just like him, martini Navratilova things were it just shows you how fuckin crazy everybody's got? I'd say that she's anti originality like what she's literally the spokeswoman yeah mean literally like she was. She was out before anybody. I mean it's where word dealing with our really insane byproduct of these times where people are dealing with social media, organized groups of people attack people for having divergent opinions, and this this need that people have to be loved and not have people attack them

the alter their stance on things in order to appease the march in order to you know align themselves with that that the progressive group think it's really weird yeah. It's a big problem in living pull population than in this is. This is why this problem with Tunisia, got out of hand. Well, just you know. The sports thing is once this seems to be a bigger problem. The sports thing me when you're dealing with the sports thing, would it? What is the numbers? The not snot it's a lot of people ETA. That's enough that its concerning was your child? They got screwed over of your kid was going forward. Ask ball. Scholarship and also the biological mail was on our team, and I love you know the story about the fifty year old boy. Biological male who transitioned, went to highs, played college basketball and then in addition to being a woman and then went back to school as a woman and was in his fifty's

and playing women's college basketball. I think he was six! Five! He was enormous. I mean sitting thunderstorm fifty year old. He was more than fifty and then playing college basketball com heating, now imagine of your daughter, is playing cards? Basketball. Looking at a scholarship last, she gets gettin cheap, keep getting stuffed by this gigantic form. Dude ran, who is now on her college basketball team at fifty years. This is women's rights that are disappearing were rolling the MAC right. I mean that when title came in right- that gives collar ships to young women who worked so hard. Who were so talented? These are young women wish we so proud of and their their achievements are being raised right now and you right it's not

What is not yet a widespread social problem, I figure, while Thou o fell well, come on. I understand that you want to be a woman. I get it to change the name. I call you, but listen man or MA am tis. You can't do this, you can't do. This is not fair and think about other Those who don't bother going out for the team bright. They see that no, it fuck org girlhood compete for that position. Forget it get she'd there give up That means that John Rational, to get our body in the we're gonna get hurt, and I want to get her exactly. But when you say that you ve experienced all this all this the best way to describe it. The pressure on your publisher people are

great you. What have you ever thought? You should have done that she should have written this book is ever been enough of a pain in the ass that you were like. I made a mistake I'm entered into the ever entered yeah I mean, of course, right I mean I think I know people like the book lot, you know, thank God they like the book there have you know it's a good read by. Do I like all the negative attention? No, I'm not I'm not a provocateurs like that's not my thing. You know, I'm just a journalist and I looked into a man health issue, and it makes people really angry, and do I like that no by at this is how I see it. Okay, this is how I I saw it as I was going through, but I believe this ok. What within this book is the truth is a real stories. Are real phenomenon, I'm irrelevant. If I didn't write this book eventually, some other journalists would have

all the angry at me. Silly read the book. Disagree that may be there some you know. Maybe you don't think I got something right. Tell me fine or dont. Tell me read an article about it, but if I had written at somebody else, what of because it's it's what's going on. It describes a real phenomenon and I think these activists would prefer to keep scaring people to the point where nobody does read, because they think being trans should never be questioned. Nothing about being tranced ever should be questioned right, which is crazy, because you know what this has. Nothing to do with the activists it doesn't like teenage girls are in are in crisis, they really are, and their experience has nothing to do with. You know what you activists are going through,

and we should be able to investigate it and see if their game, the mental health they need, these, these teenage girls and that's all it does and that's just shouldn't, be controversial. Yeah, and if this book reaches one parent that can reach one child and show them this book and explain to them that there's something going on that can influence you physically mentally psychologically. You could be very confused and you could think that this is the path towards happiness and cause yourself, irreparable damage, and still not be happy. I can cause every day from parents, so I got a call justice weed. I got tons of cot literally everyday Montgomery, so though I can leave my message is open on twitter in case they need to get when you know their great resources out there Fourth wave now parents of our GDP kids are: there are great rate resources, but some They don't know about them because you know for the all. These resources need better,

process is now cuz. He had activist attack them so they'll call me. I got a call from a woman this week and she was sobbing his parents usually cry when they're on the phone cuz they're it's about their kid, and you know what she said to me. She said I feel as if her of woman and a progressive city in America, totally not religious. You know, and she sobbing and she said to me. I I can't believe I get my daughter started down this road and I can't believe I get the benefit because of other parents who went through this. Who are brave enough to talk. I am so grateful to them. Is there a way that I can do something for them? I somehow yeah what an incredible women like what an amazing like that's, who I get calls from, seems

That's really the only way these people that are going through this with their children or ever gonna get any light at the end of the tunnel is too shy to see that some people have already done this and leaped to learn from the mistakes of the past and learn from these. The problems of these kids have encountered upon transitioning and that this group think model this contagion as yours, you describe, it does happen to kids. It happens with cutting, it happens with even suicide packs it happens with a lot of weird stuff that kid's, particularly kids, it feel, like their outcasts, hinder depressed. It's it's a real problem yeah. There's a is a great book on this in other couple, their buncher really great pomp of one of them. Louis Daniel Cravats wrote this book strange contagion about these suicides that went through a community. It's Alto, Palo Alto, all of a sudden like there are a bunch of suicides and what Highschool

and what's happening is kiss her imitating each other, and then they get this idea. Like you said there open to suggestions, they feel unhappy and now all their other. You know they know several other kids who committed suicide. Maybe I should kill, kill me so I just go failed chemistry or whatever, and it becomes a thing, in their minds? That's always an option and that's what transition is become. It's an out. It's the one of the first thing I think about cutting right. So I'm a 19th one thousand nine hundred and seventy eight baby. So I'm forty two so cut I miss cutting that didn't exist? Okay, when I was at when I was a teenager, but I thought when I heard about it cuz I heard about it from younger, just kids younger than me. I just didn't you know I would come back from college. What I hear about all this- and I I to think like. Well, I'm glad I didn't know about that. I was neurotic. I was high anxiety,

maybe I would on that. I didn't nobody told me about cutting like an option, but but kids who are looking for a way to manifest their distress. They look to the culture and they look to their friends, knew what could be done different in terms of some education or programmes or some sort of sorrow. Logical help in groups of kids, let kids know and school like we address all these different aspects of a child's development like mathematics and english history, but we and very little time addressing the one thing that is probably more most important is how they interface with the world psychology in what what's wrong What's going on inside of them and knowing what's going on inside of them in and in giving them some tools to navigate life, This isn't does not something gets taught in school. Strangely, and this is

are the reasons why they go looking for it afterwards, people caught their constantly looking for motivation and self help people in book trying to find some tools to aid. As a brilliant idea may never considered teaching kids about psychology, I never encountered psychology toes in college. I think that's an amazing idea. The problem is that these kids are getting indoctrinated instead of you know, instead of exploring a topic, they're gonna indoctrinated engender ideology, California, certain kindergarten. This is a mandate in part. The cricket curriculum can opt out one of us So you know a very spy class, obviously, but in the you know that you know they explore the first, they have to introduce the gender stereotypes and then they explore genders and various you know. Classroom Cisco's on California is part of the framework, there's a whole curriculum and there are books they supply and they explore. You know what what is a girl

What is a girl body? And what is you know? They explored the gender unicorn or the gender bread person and, and they teach them that you know your genitalia does not mean that your necessarily a boy- you might be something else, you might be gender, not conforming, you might be Jenny, non binary. The these kids all know these these terms. They know they have every option and the problem with that is then eight than they hit eleven and they start to develop in the order. You know they had a hard time: their parents divorce. They move whatever things get hard and these options leap to mind. Oh my god, I heard about this. I may be a boy costumes, crazy. The teaching tis above her own, oh just an end, to teach him back, I mean look. How comprehensive is a scam

How much time do they spent doing this to other parents involved to the parents, get to see what's being taught to now, and I never got it with them very often, parents will ask for the curriculum and not get in there all kinds of ways they supply. There's digital libraries days of providing California to the teachers, and there are all kinds of you know in ways that this is taught sometimes tat with videos, and they there is curriculum and supplied. The curricula are usually supplied by activists groups and its is very confusing parents. You know pact apparent turn allowed to opt out of this in California. Whew yeah, because it's not part of the sexual education curriculum that you're allowed opt out is part of the anti Baleen curriculum. Well, it can opt out of anti bowling everybody ass day. You know treat each other well. So it's also the word. Activism sounds like you're doing a good thing. You know, like all activism, is on the same blanket

It's you know: anti racism, activism or gender, conformity non binary, fifty different pronoun activism and it's a lot of it- is in doktor nations and doktor nation to progressive group. Think and it's not necessarily what you would really think of anything of activism. You think of the civil rights movement is a thing of activism. You think of positive things and changes that want to take place. But what you're doing with children and developing human beings in mines and in dealing with an influential person who standing in front of these people who are older and wiser, supposedly and date they tried Ben these mines towards the idea Do they support things, get real, weird and, if you're apparent knew not aware that this is happening to your kid. While your kids at school, I have a body mine who found something like this out. Was

happening in his school and then he got hold of the paperwork and was that he was furious is like this is crazy, like what it? What are we doing to two children, as has been vetted disease Is this something we're we're all in agreement on this sort of edge- from process for their children right, so their reading books like I am jazz in California, to two kids and I suggest that you might and it tells kids they might have a boy's brain in a girl's body. There there being taught this as if this is true right now, of course, there's no evidence that you could ever have a boy's brain and a girl's body and me that doesn't make sense right, but they are taught that alongside things, during that are factual, that our biological, but if someone is Trans person, so if you are a boy who feels like you should be, girl rang. Wouldn't you think that that is how you describe it? You have a girl's brain and the boys body. Oh, I dont think

I mean there is. There is some evidence that there are neurological differences. You know that and that that you know is certainly worthy of study mean that's opened to various when interpretation and and it's a new area, that's being studied in and there may be differences in transgender people's brains there there might be certainly would not say that that there aren't, but a boy's brain I mean every part: every cell in a boy's body has stamped with an x y chromosome right. So the idea, that somehow an x x, chrome, is The brain got stuck into his head is kind of silly right. It's sort of more like tooth fairy stuff Judd would be fast whom, if it was true, Imagine if you could run a scan like going to your brains pink now. We know what's wrong, writing that they would be wonderful if that simple, like, oh, you have a cavity. We can give you a filling yeah, it's some I mean it's such a hot but button subjects, and when this gets discussed

its assessed on this podcast Eminem suing on any podcast it just people explode in. They get so angry about it. But where p, we're getting more more sensible- is one to sports? I mean that seems to be where the robber hits road really does. It seems too where people are gone hey this is seem right. You know, and particularly like the fighting want to me, was like so agreed, yes and so obvious its. I am hopeful that this is a airy period for our culture and that we realise like yes, you should be kind. Yes, you should be massive of an open to all these different people that have all these different ways of being in existing in this world, but not at the expense of other people. Do not, in particular, Whatsapp pretend that that six five gentlemen, whose Fifty is the same as your eighteen year. Old daughter is in college cause. It's not we're. Playing games were playing weird ideological game,

right now we are- and I think sports is your router. Right I mean Americans are very proud of their female athletes. We have been for decades and decades, and now you're telling them that none of them would exist today could exist, because you know some we'd, let biological men take away their trophies me. Sports is about bodies a bad identification. Nobody asked you. How do you define before you run a raise here is just about bodies. It is and its it's real clear that the very different, which is why we have men's divisions and women's divisions. What what is what is it like for teenage boys. Did you look into that at all? They did. They have similar sort of issues with transitioning Yasser Tina. Voices is a harder case, because I think, for a few reasons, are their boys, whose moms will call me and say,

Oh my god, this happened to my son and it's not real. It's not. It does not look like real gender dysphoria. He never had it. It came all of a sudden because of some trauma or some crisis, or it was suggested to him by a therapist right after his dad died or some story like that, okay and I didn't focus on the boys and I didn't do it for a really important reason, but, but I think it's a worthy of explanation and exploration. I didn't folks on the boys because with a girl, clear because we have known for a hundred years that there's a thing called gender disorder and it overwhelmingly afflicts males and now out of nowhere across American across the west, the predominant demographic is not if it is teenage girls with no childhood history- we know- that's, not typical gender- does for you. So then the question is: what is it right? Both points is more complicated because I've always been these boys. These males who have had wheeled gender does for you, so I think a lot more research has to be done in that area,

and the problem is its hard to do it right. Lisa Lippman he's the one who did the study on the teenage girls she's been trying to study de transition nurse doing pigs, great studies on DE transitions, women who regret it, because all people who regret it, but a lot of them are now women. In the reason, of course, there are, women is because they never hygiene, this area, so they weren't cured by medical or transitions, are now they regretted in their called de transit shrank and she's already have Her study undermine because bunch people, trans activists on social media said everyone come invalidate the study essentially and they all dead, so they falsified or results right. Could they ruined the results? Historic city had to be scrapped and now she's redoing she trying to redo it, how their false far results while they they took the survey they you know, but they skewed. They were able to secure the results re they they they in she saw in social media. They were directing people to take the study to mess up the result. So now we have a population de transitional measures that we need to study. We need to learn from

can't my it's hard and that's that's, cancel culture right there. That's shutting down medical study that will help us understand more about you, know gender transition and more about engendered, Historiae and, and also this population of teenage girls in its hard, even study them yells. Question about. There is a particular website that was dealing with male to female conditioners, who then went back to being male again, and there were furious at this page and furious at these people for expressing their their story, and I was I was looking at this and I was thinking to myself that is so strange to you. We are looking at one talking about someone who transitions you you're talking about, a small percentage of the population that is a male that feels they should be a female to begin with, and then you have this surgery and

you have this chemical or hormonal intervention, and you change your your body in a change who you are and then regret. And then coming back and they were, they were so vehement Lee opposed to this website of my, but you couldn't you imagine like if I imagine a person who's gone through this change so you know that you are very different than someone like Jamie who doesn't have this issue right, whose just a man you know the people are different. So why would she would think that there's no way anybody could go through that have regret rank. Is people very re so much, but they were so in opposition to these people stories and they were They were saying that, essentially, this is these people. Without putting this website, I was hates age, and this is promoting anti Trans, save the theme

feelings and thinking, and because their line is that d transition is don't exist, are there so marginal shouldn't, even discuss an exact, except that when somebody too good, a scientist in good faith, tries to study it. They try to invalidate her results, so we're trying to figure out how big a problem is, regret right and it's hard to know redoing the study, but it is hard to Know- and I what you just said it's exactly right, People have different experiences. Ok, this does not invalidate your experience exactly exactly this problem and I guess they would point two. Someone who's anti trans would point that webs go see these anecdote. Stories of people that transition that had a hard time of it and hated it and went back. This is everyone and the other people just in denial right? Will that stupid, stupid as stupid? It denies nuance right and it also

four differentiate people have. We know that there are different causes of the same kind of symptoms. Ready is the example. My book I mean you know Austria or a threat as rheumatism toyed our threat as apparently one of the experts that I talk to re Blanchard gave the example. They both cause swollen fingers. Ok, so you ve got two types of people who say their transgender one, whose Human suffering, gender dysphoria and always has since childhood and another who discovered it on the internet with her friends. So now we're supposed to pretend this is the exact same conditions or not supposed to look at look at them or explore them or figure out. What's the now, when you present, have you ever presented this discussion to someone who was as you and out or this argument, someone opposes Une. How do they how they treat that this? What you just said right there, which is very, very concise,

I you know, I try and engage with all kinds of people online. You know, and I always invite people to talk to me in a reasonable way. I can't think of you know a good. You know response that I've well. Well. Let me think. Ok, so sometimes people will say- and I get this and I actually think this is a good response to me. They'll say to me, but if you make it, harder. If you're a book makes it harder number, one people are going to misconstrue it they're going to think this applies to everybody, which is a legitimate concern right and then somebody who's really gender dysphoric who needs the surgeries, won't be able to get them right and also they're going to think that everybody would read and no one's help by transition, and some of these people might you know, come to harm because of that, the legitimate response right- and it's it's not compelling to me, because my attitude is: let's discuss it,

yeah. Let's investigate this right. Let's talk to more expert, let's get more science here and figure out. What's going on him by the resistance for you to your book and the resistance, these conversations realise that people are not looking at the subjectively. This is not some. That everyone's looking at all sides of it there not there. They are activists and they have this agenda. This agenda is very ideologically driven that anybody who even thinks they might be trans, should be Trans Arch and the more transparent the better. The more kids a transition, the better Then they say, but some are gender fluid, so they activists will say some its or gender fluid, and you sable than why would you push you? No permanent hormonal intervention in surgery on someone who might later decide that they were fine as a woman right mean that you ve just acknowledge with gender fluid. I mean this thing is all over the place. I have surgeons. Surgeons will give this surgery, though, remove healthy Bresse for women who says she's non binding Ok, so she doesn't even say she's, really man. She says she's.

On Binary now wait, I thought the whole point of the surgery was to help this woman because become whose she really is a man, but now you're, saying that you'll give it to you. No sixteen year old girls who say their non binary, the the excellent medical explanation seems to be sure fighting and if we must accept people as they are shouldn't non Barnett people just be themselves Why are we introducing hormones and of their body yeah is that the best approach? This is what so confusing if some feels they were born. A woman can eat it. Why can't you just be a woman like? Why do you If someone feels there born binary or a sexual or or whatever or gender, just be, who you are, I think, in part, because the social media II in part because of their gender ideology in the schools everybody knew Is there a little identity right, so we're dividing people up like insect

right. Everybody needs their special bucket, their special label without one the weirdest unease about the date when Jenner thing when she transition and then had surgery. You know there was in it If you wish you saying well, I finally did get the surgery that I was wasn't completely a woman before the surgery I was thinking about. Why would you get the surgery, then? What did she get? The bottom surgery miles or that's what they call as their goal. Yes, I'll wait. Another Yes, she got the bottom surgery, but she was there was her argument was insured. Was completely woman, all woman before that we were in LAO Land rights, it s, really and they re exact, lemming they're, not that's HANS! I ain't you say I was always a woman examined. The surgery will make me a woman. I rode door, maybe a woman, but I was always away the sword. It makes me one, but I was always a woman. You know court of estrogen every couple weeks. I don't know what

what whatever we decide, you know, as is, as a group very, is very fusing and then people say why do you even care? Likewise, is something that you're s worthwhile. I care about people and I care about weird shit. I care about things get when things get weird and when I see teenage girls- and I have all When I see teenage girls- and I see this issue that you talk about- were two percent. Two percent are succumbing to this. I know how awkward it is us seen it. I know how awkward issues for everybody growin up growing up his fucking crazy You have no idea what the future holds. You don't know if you're going to come out on the other end. Okay, you just don't know if he's acting right in adults have forgotten. If started treating these kids like Prof. It's like the moment. They say there transits, like. Oh everyone stop. What you're doing forget that she's thirteen years old, listened to the prom

whatever she says about herself must be correct. There is a great way to put it. That is a great way to put this year. When I was thirteen, I was a fucking moron Thank God. I never had an idea to change my gender when I was thirteen prey, is some. It's I'm hoping that over time. People realize you can be both open minded and progressive and kind also aware of the pitfalls of a very real problem and that's what this seems to be seems to be a very real problem that again gravitate towards things. People shy away from people shying away from this, and why why Why we shy away from this wise everyone? So scared is trans, subject, wiser, one so skin notes, because of social media is because of these activists mobs they are not doing themselves. Any good and they're not doing the the whole idea of being a trans person any good because they make people

associate trans people with the types of mobs that attack martini Navratilova, the type of mobs, the type of mobs that go after these studies that show de transition Honours and what what their their experience weren't got the study, and you know what trenchant or adults reach out to me online all the time and say that they say to me. You know I'm embarrassed by this crazy activists group. I dont want people to say that. I think that I'm like that, I dont support you know them. Lobbying and I just say that in a whenever I'm interviewed, I say: listen. This is not the act of his don't. We represent all transgender adults by a long shot. You know So where do we go from here? What's nice, but cannot be allowed Take something a little ass, I don't flowers gray exactly this is my fear of flour, real ease. I mean you would have you written about before those of you really

Two weeks before the now I was, as you know, I rate for the Wall Street Journal. Most often in a rate of opinion. Journal level is my first book, and you know it's like one of those things like I once I got down the rabbit. Oh, I thought wow. This is really true and I gotta its nobody. I really something you know no You could write about. I had teachers telling me they couldn't speak up about what was going on the classrooms. I had thereupon afraid doctors, afraid and I realize if journalists aren't gonna talk about this, who will know. Well, I'm glad you did thing really, I'm glad we always talk about this and I hope he bore listened

this with an open mind and is listen to, and this doesn't discount. Anyone is Trans really doesn't. This is not what we're talking about here and if you are trans and genuinely trans and happy being trans, you should want people to understand that there's other things going right that we're not talking about you. This is it. This is a condition that young girls are facing as they become adults and going through these crazy hormonal transitions in social transition and and and and it can damage them. Thank you. Abigail. Thank us called error. Irreversible damage, the transgender craze, reducing our daughters and available right now think your stay offline. Don't worry the comments. Thank you friends for tuning into the show, and thank you too, are sponsors. Thank you to simply safe, fantastic home security. Twenty fourth,

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