Steven Rinella is an outdoorsman, author, and television personality. He currently hosts MeatEater, available on the Sportsman Channel and Netflix, as well as the MeatEater podcast. His new book The MeatEater Guide to Wilderness Skills and Survival is available on December 1.
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I wish you use my friend. Still it was When I was younger, I high I came into his orbit, but there was a fur, buyer and taxidermy and muskrat trapper in Muskie County where I grew up in Michigan, and he had amassed in very impressive collection of vacuums and he brought the sub because, frankly, Hippo had given up the Fossilize walrus ancient Walrus Dick Bone Peck bone swivel stood there, a friend of mine, can come here. He He uses them for very, like the bully. He saves the blackberry ones and in people use them as drink, stirs and stuff, the first dear ever killed. You gave me one and I was using as a coffee star for awhile
oh you like it? That now is not a good actual Bowen boner? Isn't there bonbon there now? Would you gave me one men might not have given me one from that. You gave me one from denouncing eighty rat, maybe a raccoon or a bare someone have to look at it. I don't know what you gave me a dick bone and I had it in my backpack for a long time now. yeah. So how can you give me dick won't need only remember the hour I wish I had. I wish I had more to share this guy. This Bob Ferris galleries, laughed. He looked like Barberess, look exactly Bob Dylan and is Gabby. still on urban overs house one day in him advising someone over the phone within earshot ear, shot of me, a member, this guy's gonna set muskrat traps. and I remember Barberess, advising Emma if anybody Fox, if you shoot em an awe I was young enough there. I didn't like get that. That was the humor thing, the other, what our dislike of thing
save your body to have a laugh, and I remember, being man he's got serious, but muskrats I hope I don't run into that during the March and now my guy, I could totally season at the somebody know, have a laugh got phone. How many animals have that bone marrow? Oh, I wish I knew, and I don't even know what I am There's that aren't universal, known, all being arresting look up whenever Until right now, I never gave it any thought to like what classification of things has like we're classification the things have like up an actual bachelor and actual packer bone. You know all the weasels have it chimps. Have it we don't hear weasels do here its absence human undulates elephants, what does that Mano trams, nano tremors? What does that? Word: monetary, all, the platypus and a kidney
Marsupials langmore of sayin is by now terrains. Cyrus and cetaceans, among others, evident suggested the was independently, evolve nine times and lost in ten separate lineages Just keep coming up man to suggest. Keeps coming up Need to have one of those they need a built in hard on That's a really nice one. I like that one there are some that are big enough and under what they're off there's some that are big enough to be used as a cane briefly what animal models like certain walrus, once people used to use them as Keynes? Well, that's not small, right there and it's interesting, because because the fact that its fossilized so heavy carrying out between your legs. I wish I had, I feel, like
want to channel me, though I feel like I want to challenge you on that. Be evangelize. Well, he said was fossilized. You don't think it is using whereby the appearance- because it's too so light, but doesn't feel heavy. I don't want to. I don't want to get it over my waiters here. I I want it. I want to challenge but on a lot, but I would need to scrape hinder or the pocket knife do at your vacuum. That's! Ok! You do that here. But even then dont do it because we're whom all the time and you might scrape underwritten idle with the curve the God damn do this is so I know there are there. Are there that I don't know they might, but there are some that have a hook in them. The keeps de keeps your mate from. The way Jamie though beheld a pip, stick you walking around long low pension. I want to leave you that the thing with Trump
he called little pump. There's a rapport name little pomp, a call them little pimp, not in the did it, do the data a rally- nobody was upset in terms of character- was gone for damage, because this is gonna be fossilized men. How else could it be that heavy? what kind of bone be that heavy Steve at so heavy here, commissioner, you want me to put, I didn't know what I mean: you're a little screamer Dounia scraped, but tell me what's up caterpillars is fossil. Well now I want to say that just like we're talking indigo by how betters are betting like its trump bride yeah, I'm like back to its fossilized. Back put it so far. Flung blabber, when I play convictions, my convictions or weekly held, but now pull with your knife, makes me think that it's a coconut with your knife, but
this way outside of my area of expertise, pork unworthy knife makes me of labour. I think VON Hippo is a biologist right. he's a man. You got a really good back checker over your eyes like have it's like a dog dern around yeah is very similar. Does a very good fact Tucker, so why does he doesn't he does it he'll me like when you talk no, it just looks at his phone because he's like no matter what you say is like no yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he's real biology, ecology, yeah, yeah, ok, so eager was wanted. when it comes to you, the reason I have become in things mean fossilized is you know you're view on national, forest land no, no I'm nothing national parks, but if you're out a national Forest Land Belem Land, various land designations in if you
like an antler, deregulating, keep it right or define a chunk of bone, you keep it, but not a non arrowhead rent. No, no! That's an artifact! What he's, but that's where these was to leave it there dude does anybody. That's an interesting I'd like talk about, because now they do. I remember, So let me, If there's nothing about fossil record is the reason I start think about is if, but you lot to pick up about it, it is on the present land. Doesn't it was their national forest? You find a piece of bone, you keep it if its fossilized can't keep it. So you could find a like. I found a few buffalo schools at her old boy, still bone. So here you have the same. That could be like three hundred years old eroding out of a river bed and if it's not fossilized. You can have it and keep it if it just bone,
The thing is: if that thing has cultural markings on it then becomes an artifact so say you found a friend of mine. I don't know where they might have got it off where they got in their dad. Had like the grandfather found it. They got a buffalo skull that had been axed open and it was so clearly hit open with a tool to get the brain out make it an artifact in, and you can't touch efforts fossilized, you can't touch it. Private land is totally different, but home Yeah would be that so now, when I look at stuff a miser picking it up my eyes, like wishing, I had a better sense, gonna wanna grabs than a one like fines. Thing to bring home and then be in violation of Abraham fossilize thing. Are you under any obligation to report it like say if you found a skull that it obviously been opened up by like ancient native Americans? Are you under any obligation. If you can't take it too, like point, archaeologists, like you know, drop a pin point archaeologists to spot wave
I found it, I don't I can a man. No. I want virtually certainly not under any obligation. I did one time find a boys school on national, for a land and did a site report. I cooperated with the force. Did the in the strait of unit of that National Forest, because I had gone, and indeed some work on. It had a radio carbon date. So I was able supply them with a piece of information it and have, and so we cooperated and did a site report, and I had also kindly called little bit to make sure I wasn't in the wrong- and this is in your blood? Is them react in a matter that I wrote like, which is really gonna? Listen, the audio version so nice to hear your voice, the you you got a chance to do. It I know the first version of it. They are hired someone to do yet it was there. Was this can't fighting about the boat businesses
You know audio, as you know, she's kind of like in some ways to help get the vanguard of pioneering those, but audio was more and more important as more more valuable. Now. when I saw that my first couple books, a publisher, would you know by your book and everybody that they buy just coming all rights to write, And they were then go sell the audio off for sometimes next nothin. Some by the audio rights for certain specified amount of time, so I first got the books. My polish buys my bark Nemo publisher, basely turns around publisher. Then In this case, Random House turned and sold audio rights too. I think really Sarajevo, whatever it is, and they gotta for ten years and at first I thought that they didn't invite me to read it, because I didn't think I was like up to it right. But, as wasn't invited read my book the hardest,
soap, opera actor of some sort to read it. I now think it's just an efficiency thing like they have or of a stable. This company is basin in Michigan. My home state is totally coincidentally badly base their David stable a talent the comes in you're clean that you clean work that you fast work. and in a produce an audio book like working with an author, it might take for five days the record, an audio books, but they must get it. Gotta comes in nails, amorous it. Whatever I get the I get the price. I turn it on and he starts talking and I couldn't get across the room fast enough turn it off. It was the more it was like there was like watching. It was like watching My wife have sex with another man. Well is to see two to hear that is now. What that book sounds like you know in all my defence, in ten years, go by Herbert that book a decade ago, ten years,
goes by and we get the right back. so then not random house hasn't back and I got to go on and record my own thing. To update some of the science and stuff you know it was, there was color one, those little. It was one of those career, but a little career highlight for me like like something looking from the outside in wooden, see when I see it as anything but to meals like is richly symbolic that that I, had whatever got it like bees The position to be like I do it. I go in record. My book is how it wants to be and that something could still gonna have life after a decade Democrat God side? Who is a isa professor out of Montreal, he wrote a boy's, a evolutionary biologist knee wrote a book on call the parasitic mind about who have written very
be a bizarre behaviors and though the way people or those weird thought viruses that people are falling into today we woke culture and I shit and we hired. Can you give me another example, nother example of a thought virus? It's a virus part not even if he's use that term before, but it's basically woke thinking gun like what what's problematic about it. Now, it's not not very objective and not rational and people were expected to think and behave a certain way because the gatekeepers of social media and all these people are the ones are forcing this on folks, I wait he's got a very popular podcast, and yet they still hired somebody else to read it book- and I was like this- is so crazy. You have such a distinct voice like. Why would you will what what the fuck are they like? Why would they do that I think that it leads to Liza, lotta, lesser disappointment. Yes, at the time
this though I wasn't. I was just a writer. So there was no not in maybe we're moving away from that when you working on something and I'm sure, you'll know intimate Well, what I'm talking about, Imagine year Imagine your stand up if you, like turn in a word doc, I've had to do before for someone else to do your stand up, have do that before or not for someone else to do it, but for for them to decide whether or not the things that I was saying, we're approvable oh god, gosh I wouldn't have been without without the without all the delivery. like our onawandah, I'm not trying to conflate that, like writing a book and insane up his delivery, is vastly more important and what you do. what you do get a sense like the cadence of how something goes yeah, and if your support you. but his colleague goofy way to think about, because people that everyone that read it every
read that is on their own trip. They don't know your cadence, but some also offensive to hear them, read it aloud. Yeah, as part makes any sense. Is that, like secure this light, particularly virtually nobody knows who makes a lot of sense. I mean particular not particularly now, because your podcast become so popular and people are used to the way you talk. If a very unique way of describing a discussing things, and then I could imagine how offensive it would be, if someone just tried to act, yeah, you no doubt is an arm. That was something like that four hours at the height of my writing powers because I hadn't head. Oh, I was just a writer. I was married, I didn't have kids, ah, you are free. I could you. I could spend a couple years just like focused on something
and so I do not like the fact that that things still that that the fact that that book still works and people still read it, but I'm here happy about that. You know Kullak Amelia man like I feel like, like that a reasonable book. Interesting web. It's a very good, but I really enjoyed it. But it's it's interesting way of talking about it that you are at the height of your writing powers, because you're free does. He really could just concentrate on that and I think about that? A lot with, but with anything Like that's the case with stand up. Comedians is the case with fighters for sure when fighters have found ways, they start getting distracted by a bunch of other businesses and other things that they're doing it's almost always signifies down slide in their skills. Yeah. also is for sure man, I'm watching right now on Annette flicks, I'm watching the last dance. The Jordan documentary
I'm not a basketball failure on and most of those new information to me by watching it, unlike that that study of focus, focus and discipline- and I wonder like in looking at him, I can't help you think was There was an undecided election. You know like a contest that undecided election and as a global pandemic, that guy. What still go on that field around the court. Sorry and p, Will we be just as good as he always is, and I think that a deck it ago, whatever like That point life when you just like Palmprint, maybe more self absorbed or something I could be sitting right now in this current climate, like I'll, be sitting right now, just like singularly focused on this thing, instead of on the school board, is vote like whether not kids are going back to school full time. And, unlike our need to pay attention to that, because I have kids, I need to pay attention like you know, I feel
obligated to pay attention politically, and I have other mediums that our work and now and if you get like spread out doing stuff I think maybe that doesn't happen to you know it does. It does every tell me of three jobs I deal jump from one to the other they connect. Fortunately, they help each other. The thing about you know I obviously haven't been doing much stand up during the pandemic. I only did one weekend it one weekend in Houston, then I got real weirded out. Thinking like what, if I caught Covid nineteen AVA to somebody potato David to a guest but stand upon many for sure helps podcasting podcasting for sure help standard comedy limit you get more comfortable doing each one of them, because the fact that standard comedies alive and then podcasting is also live right. You does no net, there's no script. A you get me
more comfortable, expressing yourself instead of comedy the fear of doing in front. I've audiences, you you get accustomed, people paying attention to watching you that makes you see, commentary easier because when the cameras or on the sea and everything. Oh shit. All these people watching now never think that is people always watching. I don't care. Doesn't I can just express myself saw that they feed into each other. What are you because you get increasingly lease from my perspective? Increasingly you get scrutinised and over scrutinising the media is a hard tune it out it's easier! ever brought gas tankers, it so garment, haggard just shut off yet, and arts was just it's one of the things it happens. You get too big. You get too big to popular look. There's three hundred million people in this country and you have a one percent of our critics. You get a million critics
You know that European you ve him conservative, I like you, if you, if you really lucky, you only have a million critics who really ease of three million critics- three million critics as that's a crazy number- that such a naughty naughty number. If this three hundred million people and why percent of em, don't like you have three million people that don't like you know, that's insane early, stop thought about that. Don't fuck with your head! If you have, you know people the media, if you have a hundred thousand professional journalists that are focused on comedy what it where the numbers are not going enjoy you it's gonna be high, is going to be a few sow, when I'm reading about you and what you think, how you are an arms anything like what is not, it makes with amazing requested, like he's requested everywhere it I'll stay to someone their data. There's there's one thing Americans, like that, does act stories. Americans like in this order
like a story about what an asshole a celebrity is in the second they may like most, but not all Much is that thing is how a celebrity is, but they wish they. They, like the first one better get its way both its more saleable right, I mean that's, why this Ellen is mean things got so much traction. Ellen's Mean Turkey, ass and she's. My people, I grew, tell me more exactly exciting. When you you ve dynamic you when you finally Ellen has a half a billion dollars. He like, oh, my god, tell me more about I mean she is like. I want you to know the dirt. That's a is just a common thing. With people someone become successful. You're, you're gonna, you gonna, get scrutinised and its also. Different perspectives like for some people the way I think and the way I talk is offensive to them. They don't feel they have a very clear cut idea of the way people should think
can behave its particularly on the left, which is. It has become more more weird because be much easier for people on the left to label me if I wasn't left wing, that's what's confusing because, like I do support basically every left wing position other than second amendment and increasingly the way they attacked the first amendments. Weird like they. They seem to think that its censorship is ok as long as you're censoring someone who disagrees with the thing, which is a new thing in the left, that the acceptance of the first amendment mean like a brought up before, but the ACL you, the issue was founded by people that were literally supporting nazis. Like support
actual NEO Nazi groups and in saying it like the Loi Litigation Labour free speech issues? This is important like like, even though their views or bore it. You have to support these that you have to support their ability to express themselves like this is what the foundation in these countries about like free expression, is the only way you find out what's right and what's wrong. Shutting people down stopping people from communicating is a silly. Short sighted approach to debating an issue, and this is more more common than ever on the left, the linked because because of de platform and because he yet they have the ability with social media. Biggest social media is not really protect by the first amendment social media. What there is to it Youtube or whatever their private companies, and they can decide hey. We don't want this guy on his views on line with ours and they of silence, people and ends.
Tick, people after platforms, the really doing ailing wrong. They just do they're, saying things that the people that own and run the social media companies don't agree, yeah. That's that's me as the weirdest aspect of the left today, but other than that a gay rights, women's rights, civil rights, women's rights, to choose, I'm with all that amongst all of us, I'm with unity basic income with with Marilla, for all you have done. I can argue that this is why I am this is why I am. I think that not a bad idea to have us an amount of money? The where you you give it to people in times like this code pandemic. When you look at this pandemic, if people had certain amount of money that came to them every month and they didn't have to worry about food, and you didn't have to worry about housing like they were taken care of you could see how it would be easier to get back on track like the way people are today, where more than thirty plus percent can't pay,
Ratner are on the verge of addiction and all the protection against eviction, or about the run out that this was. This is a great example of where you do need big govern this. This pandemic is the best example ever or at least some sort of organised charitable. You know something sort of charitable organisation where they re we know how to take care of people that run into hard times especially hard times like this words, through no fault of your own. Real argument against universal basic income. Is this argument against a lot of loud people, we use it against welfare that, like you, you remove incentive. You give people free. money and you remove their incentive, you remove their motivation and they develop a whole class of people. That relies on this and they have become accustomed to it. It's actually terrible for them. It's terrible for everybody else that argument to that's what When I look at that issue, that's one of the things I think
bout is in early attended. I dont view things through my own lands, but when I look at myself, pivotal points in my life in trying to get Goin on the fact that I was intensely motivated by just, trying to find a way to pay. My rent, my cell phone bill, was intensely ma debate about it and I do wonder like if you had alleviated me from that that the what path what had gone down- and I don't think I myself as being like weirder that different. So I wonder, but in terms of when you talk about. The censorship and woke culture is this: guy work, iron and he was kind of feeling, some sort of capturing his sentiment issue risk pondering how, if you think about the
in the sixties right that is like the right you know. The right there were: the squares, no they're the ones like disk, like that. disapproving you know what are they doing now and he was com whose noticing that The house of the left has started taken over this like air of disapproval. Like my goodness, how could that young man's that leaves Holloway stony turns the waste directives heat. Someone should tell the young man to stop them. you know what happened the social media, that's what happened. People got to building to complain where other people gonna listen. Or is this just there's so much signal out there, the so much noise many people have the opportunity to complain about things and there also formula aiding their complaints and away. They hope will resonate with people that really have no dog in the fight, so they they judge
want to say something that people go Harcars go yet point click or give a little heartbeat for that I would ask you got him, I know that you are you satisfied As long as I've known you that you don't like Don't you don't pay attention to social media comments these networks or years I heard you put it that that I e post something runaway gas. But do you ever like late at night, like sneak a p like d rake, so you re, don't break our room never at night, you see something night. They fuck that guy netted roles around your head, that's terrible! No night, I don't if I'd watch anything on my phone at night. It's super innocuous letter like watching pool. I like watching pool games got like watching, like maybe a science video, some think that something
very uncontroversial innocuous. I don't allow myself to get in the conflict at night, yet I think that's very bad for your sleep, bad for your head. If, if something bothers you in even something that is, even if I agree with them like, even if someone says something like he was kind of ignorant when he said that this is stupid, thing there's a bad perspective. I even if I agree with the person saying that I don't want to When I read that night around Madame on reading in the morning and then thing could point out to him that better or yeah- maybe I should look at it. This way, no, not without fault, but I don't think it's Read that shit at night, but reading that shit at any time we come on worse, fuckin critic. I hate everything I do serve. If, if someone is like just agreeing with the perspectives that already have about things, I should have said differently. Eared everything is like so things I'm criticized on its like thinking on the fly like this like doing this,
I don't have any idea what I'm about to say right, you don't either would just talking so words pop and you had ideas, poverty to express them. And always worked out, and sometimes you tired, sometimes your hung over sometimes year feels are certainly your brain There's no is fire at the exact same way, like my car's remarkably consistent right, you get your car as limbs tuned up you hit the gas it responds and await its very consistent good point, man brains, not that consistent brain, sometimes like a six cylinder and sometimes like a fuckin supercharged ba varies a lot you know and it into in also sometimes subjects come up that I didn't anticipate like occasionally I'll talk about something where I am deeply studied on. It and unlike some it'll come up and I'll go- oh none of them. This is why that is, and I get very excited- and I have a very clear idea of everything. That's nuanced about that particular subject, but sometimes things
I'm up and unlike year in the process of talking I'm kind of work in and out of my own head and are you sure how I think about it, and I have the kind of form Opinions on the fly or formulated descriptive on the fly or try tell us store that maybe have really worked out of my I'm trying to tell it it while I'm thinking about, and I am also talking than those work out that good there does thing of thick above is very similar to this bannerman. Are an example of a thing that someone said to me that strike me as really funny to go and tell people what they said with them like shut him up and tell people that they said that as a weird one. You are you enjoying doing podcast. Is it man It has. It's my solve all
of the things I do go of the the various things I do for a living it's the thing I enjoy most actually doing it right like having a guest on from France, the gas we have, I bring amongst us. They gave him this guy, Jim Jim, have a finger from Arizona I bring about because, we're criticism I'll We re criticism, the he sends if you listen to something around he's like that's, not right. not count. Romanian place has come from a place where he is to be additive. Do conversation he'll series of things, but I am any might this is a thing you should think about and then maybe you want to go. fuck like I'll email every single time, and it gives me alive, ok, that's different ethnic groups, it's a beautiful relationship, you know, and it's like, but but all criticism,
Susan. Go that way as people are like two people want to see, people bleed there's this guy like doesn't want to see. People bleed, he wants advance a conversation, but having ill at the time I had a mind having we're having a conversation about biology while their management and I'm sorry, the whole time. Unlike. thrilled by what I'm hearing you like Filled by the presentation thrilled by what I am hearing is information is delivered. Well, vat. you had a joy meter in your head, like of all the things they like you actually do that to me is: is there interaction to me his great down because get him all about you living, whereas right in almost trite sabre, like book, I don't I as a kind of hate the actual act of doing not enjoy
like actually doing it is non job everything that comes out of it. I love doing. It is not enjoyable such a common think same in so many right. funny. I mean Huntress Thomson famously hated writing, yet those tortures thing to do. Then I don't remember the writer Ian Frazier say enemy, that when he was young and want to be a writer, he imagined himself sitting at a typewriter chuckling to himself and which is like it is. The reality even like when I get a working on an episode? Show I do so, and I get a rough cut. I dont get when I open it, I opened it with a sense of dread. Not with like boy. It's here is the others know how I feel now That's how I feel when I edit my Stanhope specials, and if I know they were tiller, is if I know I killed. I know I was there standing ovation every jeered, every laughed sit down like this, and I have to go over it. You know and try to find work.
best camera angle and had a near by I do I do like in a great deal. It's funny that there you're running that this changes conversation little bed when you're talking to someone like if I have some really good on all, sometimes or some of the the is laying a lot of stuff on me that I wish I retained I'll have to go back and we listened It is kind of amazing his pride myself on me. You really get it remembering what people said. Like. I'm fighting my wife later were fighting about the fight. she's like we're, use it as a nunnery. Now, thorazine, I said quote, and you said quote and I'll go to the grave of that right. That's very good. Remember people said and I'm sure and I realize into a guess it I'm really excited to have on their like its information, heavy episode of shock that all the stuff I missed, the Barcelona, like just
fact that there's a microphone headphones like some, I lose my ability to be a person who, just like locks info up. Well, it's also because you are in the process of not just no they're saying, but yours Steering the conversation you try figure out how to respond when this step in when did not step in you have questions. Not no wonder ass come should I hold up what I let this guy continue. This thought I have to stop here because something weird but adult to make this uncomfortable, and I want to miss anything so there's all this shit, no on with your sort of managing the conversation, the it's, a simple as you just sitting there talking to somebody you're talking to someone, and you know that other people going to listen, and it does see my gets an art form, but its deadly, an art form you get better, at it, and you also develop a way- of expressing yourself, that's entertaining for people to hear it's not just that you're talking you're talking in a way where it smoothly and comfortably enters other people's brains. Yes,
One of the ways I've noticed that an even had that problem scares me. I don't have that problem. When we have our little preamble chit chat here of the presence of a microphone. changes, my thought, because you had your for sure you get you do get used to it. Like I'd I'd, like hundred episode, I feel way less inclined to say something really indefensible, let that there's a picket with ass the problem with the early days. My podcast is that we didn't have any thought that people are actually listening like when I did the earliest versions of the pot castle ago ten years ago, nine years ago we would just get Bob cute and we would just talk shit as if known was in the room here. We'll talk like if I sat down, Joe ideas, or are you sure, fear one of my comedian, France? We would just say the most ridiculous, preposterous shit, because that's how we talk to each other
there when there's no one around cause, that's the things that we find funny like when you're talkin, You know to medium like regular things. Aren't is funny. It's like we ve seen it's like if you're going to show a Bubu to a guy who's, an ear doctor, you gotTa Cotonou, finally does unimpressive sardonic shot mad. Now I can ease the needs more. They need more was the invitation was showing one for me show me something: that's ragged real injury and that's. How can we the UN's are it's like there's an unfortunate aspect to those conversations. If you take those conversations and you edit them out of context and show it to be. Among these guys are horrible human beings like now, we're comedians and we urge you have shit you'd have the preface if you went around saying what may be funny if someone thought
but even then they were kind are part and parcel of. But that's it go conversations likely as governor of your friends but just leave out the parties that wouldn't it be funny of someone thought yeah. say it as those coming from you, but everyone, its understood that you may like. Will it be funny of right? Yes, exact? It's out. It's it's a weird, medium podcast, our because it's never really existed before by this is a new thing. Like my friend, Adam Curry, is the original podcast her? He he's the pod father. He was the first guy to ever. Have a pod cast and he was an MTV dj. Hosty actually live turn us all. Madam president, we put it together, those same person, ass, Adam Curry, yeah, beautiful handsome man, those flowing lawyer, not known as by never like yeah He runs the never put the guarantees on earth. The no agenda pocket he's actually one of moved Austin. He was saying Austin praises
and I have been here many movies, a kind of we're like that. Michael Jackson, leather jacket, Gallia with old odor, flouted handsome bastard. Look at that here Oh that's, do get assisting do now. Show pictures from today right there bam. That's him today deal easier, he's oji? So, oh yeah, I never like yours can't think of a parallel here, but not like I'm aware of these to the rabbit you have. But to get others is the guy he's awesome. I love that guy he's he's got a great podcast called no agenda. It's his pod cast and dumb. He. He really have the very first one, I think that was any earlier than two thousand gmos at too thousand five, maybe some around them, so park. His original part. Gas was four years before my first practice, which is two thousand night so terms Evan, okay. So too,
These are for mine, so you're, talking about a guy a thing there. That's only been around for thirteen years like do it was now for a thing where you could just put something out there sit down talk to people in this there's no middle people think like, because I have his deal with Spotify that there's a bunch of people said no, my shoulder you come in here. You see what it's like, there's no one here, like it's a scout chrome. Does a sensor stand right next to the garden it's exactly the same. It's it's such a skeleton crew. In to have something like we did. An election show last night that seven million people saw to have something as a total skeleton crew doesn't make any sense that it could reach, though those kind of numbers. So this this new form communication? It hasn't been figured out. You know like no one knows exactly knows its potential, no knows exactly what the influence all of it is
a lot of mainstream media people that are really upset by that's. Also, one of the reasons why I get so criticized people get so mad. They don't like the fact that I have this much influence. They don't like the fact that so many people are paying attention. That doesn't seem right. but this is this is not from the New York Times is not from NBC. This is not from whatever words, but also in all these people watching it but This is a new thing. Some people haven't figured this out yet, even though it's been around for thirteen plus years they're still go on what the fuck is. This like, Four years ago no one took podcast years four years ago, Howard Stern and an absolute mocking podcast insane launches yell out the window, knowns listening There's like you're wasting your time wasted and image making fun of roll overdoing it other making around people for doing it. Then I think part of that was also he's a smart guy and he was also in the middle of his renegotiation. Would serious satellite radio and it was probably mocking comparisons to what he does
with its huge organization. Serious x is used like easily like the lap dog of famine and met him like the lap dog of satellite yeah yeah, but it some our member. What my route original point was, but no brain- and this is a fuckin really new thing- will mean So I think tat this time our commander show, but the first time I like ever heard the word podcast, I'm not joking. I had never heard them until Helen show told me going on Joe Robins podcast another or what I I could go and show you where I was sitting when I heard it I remember you she's, like you just need to go. She is rising at the weight of what was that that'll never work well, but I was a lot of people's attitude by even like people that I was really close with like Deserve Commodore documentary. They just came out of the five
documentary on one of these episodes? My friend Tom Segura was who was on like episode to, or some shit accused, is on early early, but he's been on a fuckin hundred plus times. I have no idea how many times has been on, but He was there in the early days and he's in the the documentary was talking to Brian Redban and he was saying like what is he doing? Why is he doing this red band was like? I don't know some people listening and he's like? Can you go to the list and it's like two thousand people like two thousand worry watching those, that's it. You spent three hours doing this work and stupid show for two thousand people for no money. Why are you doing this but would you would you imagine yourself being a visionary early? Imagine yourself be indicate that you know it was lucky lucky yeah nourishing now I expect it to be the way it was forever like Sunday, they'll make aid if they make a movie like the social network, not the source.
but they make a move like the Sultan networks of Alexandria and those guys like Facebook Veil may like when I do the story of you wonder if they'll do it that right, the you had a vision, Let me point out laboratory where, right now, I thought it was going to be the way was back then forever no pay attention very small amount of people but fun? It was a great way for I love of doing morning, radio Ayesha love doing it. I hated getting all, the call in more you're shows why not Collins go there like when I, if I say if I was gonna Phoenix, like those things loved, it was fine, get up and morning. Smog joint, go in there with my friends and we talk shit and if it would be like zany guy nervously is his female counterpart Motormen is played exact
to go in there and do that seven in the marketing. Sadly, I used to love it. I used to love it because I would go in line with our your Joey or something like that, and we would go and have some fun hey, hey we're gonna be the umbrella this weekend and then, would say so. You know what I'm gonna do what he into, and then you have a story about this about that, but has fun that's funny! You leave there, you have it time with them? You don't like. eight out of ten of em we're good time too and we're like this guy's gross like this. This show sucks. Some people are clunky. They deserve the not good at it. They just how do up like what When I use that do that books, it was. I just thought that the worst thing we could possibly have person when you're high early in the morning and you went to bed like three hours ago in ITALY, it up then Leezie dealing comedy to go and be like when I know if you go back to Louis Clark, expedition you'll find nothing was expected of me right. I was asleep a silly person new host
fear factor or was on a sit com, and I would come in now be in town to tell jokes, unlike tat, was what it was. So I always thought like particular when I did If I did like to open Anthony show in New York, there was a really fun one because those eyes were on by love. Started doing. It was on the regular radio too, but they were on exam and when there are Somebody gets where, as I, this is amazing it's where you can just go in and It was a hang what you have like four or five comedians in the room. We all just being shit on each other and laughing, and I needed to get out I got. I felt so good. It was so fond and you go get some breakfast take a nap and go dear shows would you did you? Don't use do stern ever higher, but that was a different, me too stern was like at the helm. I was never hang you know, is the Howard Stern shows how its turn asking questions you responding to those questions, and you know it was very historic that show like he was the peace
first guy he like if it wasn't for him there would be none of this like there was guys before you know. Others like, I guess, I'm. Was one of those guys. I was never an I'm a guy, but he was The guy who's, nationally known as the man whose who had this outrageous radioset, yeah now in that sort of helped the opium? Anthony, show, come to fruition and then I think the european Anthem Show was the in alone. A ways the nexus it was. It was a lot of ways. It was the idea that lead to podcast, but when was doing it. There was no thought in my head like this is going to be just like the European Anthony Show- or this is gonna be just like Howard Stern, to just judge, to wait. Just you wait. There was that I ask keep showing up, and then one day out the Chicago theater. I did this gig of the Chicago theatres. Thirty seven hundred people right sold out show and I go a hostile I was going to ask how many people listen to progress.
other over an hour oh shit, I'm put Nanda my movie man and I remember thinking I'm losing because Joe Rogan, but I remember very clearly oh no, like like, like almost a sense of dread, like like this is this is gotten a place where I didn't know where it was in its already there is that I've been just do it By that time, we're doing at the ice house with this little room off the the the comedy club at the icehouse would show up there and do it there, and it was just bizarre. I was like what happened because you doing it like this right. You know, you know you could say if you want to twist. This may think nothing. He could say in your own defences. Maybe I'm wrong here, but. Maybe you knew something. Maybe you knew more than you thought, because you probably worked do in ten goofy things has I wouldn't meaning
Let's say I M went out started twenty business. Twenty goofy little businesses right right, at some point, holy shit like one of them took their turns out my business of selling old ran worn leather gloves to people who, like you, know why they had that look took off and made a bottle of money. And then later I'm like, I always knew but feel related. Do you realize what you did all kinds of stupid everything not ever worked out for you, the nothin like this thing takes off and you want to know act like you like saw common. So I think that it probably in the penal cried the back. It is good that you don't act this wave of private back your head. You cry, recognise IRAN, maybe recognising around a something, no Finally, I would to help you don't help me out. I'm telling you it's not the case, it's just dumb luck. I I certain amount of brain damage. How much I have but definitely have a little, and I think
from then on the router or not pharmaceutists, campongs, that's for sure This certain amount is inevitable near the time of fifteen to twenty one. I got hit a lot this. There must be some and because I think There is a certain amount of not give a fuck that comes with that. Like litter, I think that was kicked into your head. This is I've not joking. Kennison and Roseanne BAR? The perfect example today is both of them were normal people and then they get hit by cars. SAM Kennison got hit by a truck and his brother who talks about it in his book called Brother SAM Brother Bill wrote a book about it is like there was on SAM and then SAM, got hit by a car and became a totally different person had trauma and then became wild and impulsive and just became a maniac thousand case and that we all knew and love same thing with Roseanne. One of when I was defending Roseanne when she got a big trouble and scheme podcast to talk about it. I wanted
people to understand when I knew about Roseanne than theirs and was in a mental health institute Shoes- and she was institutionalized for nine months after car accident, she was hit by a car walk across the street, which is fifteen years old and just fuckin wrecked. Like me, Of brain trauma, I really never the same again couldn't count. She was great. Mathematics shows a really an excellent student and then hit by a car and then just wild and impulsive, and they locked her in a mental institution for nine months. Choose crazy. She's, like licks sort of finally crazy medicated on a whole bunch of different things and might might take, was acted too make her responsible for thing. She said when she's been rewarded, her whole life for saying outrageous, shit, energies on Xanax end. She spoke and pot and cheese. And, yes, you want a label. Hers is awful horrible person. When America, loved her for her whole life for being seen same way for being wild and impulsive. But my point is that These two people were created that way from brain trauma who
Made them wilder their hast does know out, I have some brain damage you no doubt and when people selling. Why aren't you worried about criticism of? Why? Don't you, there's some of that there. This got to be some of it. Where I live enough trauma. Just two The right amount, just enough of these, were doesn't Gimme that got have you to pull out. Why me on the head, do you think about the things just the right am I things things that whole people back, one of the big things that hope you black. It is fear right then, when they worried that worried about the repercussions their worried other people's reactions that worried about how you'll be viewed the word about these things. Have a lot of that, for whatever reason. We don't want to hurt me, but his feelings. A genuinely nice person
If someone doesn't like me and like so many of them do not keep moving. I think what What happened with me with podcast is that all these We're tell me you're wasting your time. Always people tell me not to do like what, while you waste your time to invest, and all thing is I like doing it can keep doing it like I just didn't it didn't agents. One had nothing to agents to this day that I have that could have gotten in the park. Asked could have gotten a piece didn't want it, do they double back around now owe you a message how things have added? They had a chance like any. with ads heads like wouldn't fuck. Are you doing it weighs here What are you doing real things we have time for this like they didn't want to have anything to do with it does just, but I didn't I didn't have some fuckin grand vision. I just know what I like to do and what like to do something I go out to do. I'm just gonna keep doing that like this. The same thing with martial arts seem to have both hunting
like the amount of time that has been practicing. Archery is fuckin preposterous. It's ridiculous for a person who is is busy as I am, but that's what I like doing that I do that. You know like I'd. Take weeks off every year, two to go in the mountains and hunt cause it's dialect do not keep doing that. That's all I do, and you know when you early, reread Nabon bag columns, and it was saying back of arms had been invented, multiple multiple times right now he's dead and lineages. Look Saddam on a flight right someone can be excused fur coming in and seeing things that no dragonfly in a bird. right in imagining that there is like an event that that spawned these things right, but in fact they arrived at this like same place there. I did the same sort of place would like winged flight through completely unrelated channels. You know this guy They're like on their own was
pod casting his party as podcasting itself, more seriously, have this sort of convergent user. My divergent evolution and convergent evolution, convergent, theirs virgin evolution with like news and podcasting started out as a rule. Maybe like a somewhat of a revolt. You know it was. uncontrolled it was. It sponsible it was good. be it was like spawns too, but, as its beak becoming become formalised with scrutiny with ideas of responsibility with with ideas, making a user practical, respected product. There is kind of a kind urgent evolution of driving it back into the The thing that maybe it was a response against in the first place, exactly that's where the brain damage comes in
because, because that you're here that's right, we'll get the fuck out of here. I'm not doing that. What people say like you can't have people like Jones and abide cast. You can't get drunk anonymous, gas, that ten million people are gonna watch. Will you can't smoke part all the time you can't deal make? Yes, I can. I have done it the whole time. Why must stop and now will now it's a big business now you have this big deal now you know you're. You d, writing articles about you in the New York Times. Ignite have stopped, but that is the way it got there in the first place to wake up in the first place is people are tired of seeing these pre packaged? I give you see like here's the best example evening news, good evening hi, I'm skip before they face. these these guys with its big voice. You doing this like super overproduce thing where they're talking about subjects the ban two in between stories on fake news is, are on. News. Rather news broadcasts is the most fake.
communication known to man like the woman, I ll say something the Gallagher well at certainly a crazy store, in other words, read all above outside, and then they go to this now and I got I find that's it it's a terrible thing. Terrible tragedy. Amazing terrible! You could see really wiring there to give these like weird little fake. Their that that is the opposite of podcast podcast is real, like that was me and you you played video about some guy who decided who was going to try to back flip over a Lamborghini and landed on his head, and I was like what what how the fuck does happen. Like you have a baby like you have kids have a baby legal commitment baby like it, and then your baby starts growing. Can you like I'm so proud of them? Is ITALY the little drawing made and then it gets the why? Where he's on you to do back, flips overland regaining Linares head like what went wrong you like that's how it normal human being with talk, but you don't have that when you have a
massively overproduced programme when you have all these people that have a vested interest napping successful. So you have executives, you have producers, you have writers, you have all these p. pull that have a piece of the pie. So you instead of having a Jamie and a couple of their folks? Are security guys out there? Instead of that, I have what a hundred people like a normal show that reaches the amount of people to this the show does there would be a staff of a hundred people, and those people would all have slowly merited, have an enormous gay system of gatekeepers legal. Exactly so an end. The things that you are going to talk about would be heavily that you you'd have people come in with pieces of paper, and they, Dog. Ok, the first segment you're gonna, discuss these. Whether Pennsylvania's vote is coming in and let's be real clear that you know. Here's that here's the information they have to go over and there's none of that here. So you There were, whether I'm good or bad.
with our right or wrong. At least you know, it's just me, The thing that were worried about when it goes a spot of five like people worried. Oh, my god, you can have sensors in the rooms gonna be people tell them what to do, but people are worried about as it becoming overproduce to becoming something other than what it is, because they know that's the net Of course, the progression somebody gets hold of some In its wild and untamed and they go, we gotta harness that make a lot of money off of it. But the boy to make a lot of money off over podcasting is the opposite way to leave it. Why? But hey gonna leave at wild, though, when all these people inattention to it, and all these people are criticising it in also talked about this If a million people know about you show or a hundred million people know about your show and just one percent of them are managed to one percent. Four hundred billion is a million fucking vapour mad at you even have ninety nine percent figure awesome that one million could make a big dent in your head can pretend to think.
That they might invite you to look at it. I'm not suggest me do this by think where they might invite look at it could be captured by this article. I read many many years ago called the radioactive boyscout. It was about a kid who is working on some project where he define some new Amira CM or something for some boyscout project is doing with Mare, SAM, it's a radio, active substance, in small arms when you smoke detector theirs like a radioactive substances. Air and smoke inhibits the ability. substance. They hit a sensor really so He started buying up, and in all smoke detectors that he could ever get his hands on right. and then got in do that he could find a camera what it was like an old types of clocks. He was found
some radio active substance and he got himself a geiger counter redress. I've around with a geiger counter on the phronsie of his car pass anti shops and shit right is this a novel narcissism Torreon was a story. Harpers magazine called the radioactive boyscout, he ones, of so much this shit and shed not only like eventually when it all breaks like not only they hallway the shed, they hauled away like his yard. What are you doing in barrels? How many duties I read in a long time ago. Wow! Ok, just doing this thing. What is more, that causes look on his face: foam, Christ, yeah hallways yard. Look at his face. Look he's got ready. asian poisoning on his face. People might guard you as the radioactive boyscout like the time you're, just thou gettin some smoke detectors because you and then
over time. You like accumulated something. Were people had to take notice this dish a little bit of that would be like dude. I understand but you just can't put that any of those things of one spot. But what's the argument again The argument against it would tell me you tell me out. I don't hold that viewpoint. Understand I like to. I like To imagine. My brother's rebirth does someone who's like highly critical of my occupation and I to hear him out about Danny or man, no Matthew. Why go here he is. Gimme the counter argument, the what's he critics of you, so why doesn't like what I do for having because DOM he feel that me and other individuals and lots of people
that by talking about and celebrating the act in activity and in my case, hunting fishing that it creates. That the Mai enthusiasms become infectious, and increases the number of people and diminishes the quality of the experience that that people who always hunted will have because of competition very valid argument right. So I like like, not, nor I like to hear him out on your. I, like smart, smart solitude, your mouth on, like what he's thinking I'm we doing the same thing with you, bye, bye. I don't your opinion. Hold the opinions. By the same like it is some one might say I get it Joe. It was all fun It wasn't supposed to happen, but they would sailor but here you are the plug like here you are. You now have a.
level of power, that is, that could be dangerous. But what could be dangerous, but a picture that picture that you picture You said some like it's it's over now embryos. I worry about a happening during election, but picture that you said, like man I think did on if you're in that county you should go down to the polling place and do acts. a lot of deeds right So you. We like a low, a level of influence, and I think that you pay? Probably now and by your Tom. Well, I deaf. Don't tell people how to vote. No, not I don't. I don't mean how to like. I, as do Nepal,
I am full of that. That's a good example because that we'll get Weariless a dangerous like would have had an idea that was really not well thought out and not good for the general public, and I You threw out as it was easy and then I told people to go, do it, I thought I'd be fun. Fun stunt maybe we can get me outta, musing, yeah yeah. I can see that but that all that alarms people, because people do it now, but I don't do that most of what I do is talk about ideas and talk, shit and talk about things that are happening. now. I implored people and Mozilla County Montana to go vote from sister in law Juanita veer on. She won by a landslide, but she was gonna win anyway. That's that's a good thing to the county. Commissioner. There you I got. I got tangled up in politics, Overman, there's a real problem with the gatekeepers is a real problem. With these heavily produce television shows heavily produced radio
shows and even now internet shows there is a real problem with them. Is it there's inauthentic voices they dont resonate with people and others on a real person? That's not a person! That's unfiltered! That's a person, it's getting scripts, they wearing maker, They have a team of people that are attending to them and telling them what to do and how to say it and there's a lot of other people. Again behind the scenes that are all like paying attention, everything you do and I'll come in and between takes and scenes. You know, there's there's an interview with Donald Trump with this one when from CBS very contentious interview and he wound up putting the whole in our view online. Do you wear that? No. This woman was criticising ham and asking questions, and he was like you know the way you talk to me. You never talk to Joe Biden like this and dumb sixty minutes, Twond abusing a very small percentage was sixty minutes. Jamie yeah there and abusing a very small piece of it, but during the four
one the Donald Trump put out like they interrupt. The conversation is one of the producers like the american flag, is blowing in the background, because the air conditioning in kind distracting and he's a group, and so the guy like stops everything because he thinks that the flag is distracting and no one can see that thing flag? It doesn't matter like what are you talking about, but This is what happens when you get a whole. Will the people you get so many shifts in the kitchen and some guy just decides it he's gonna? Stop the conversation between the fucking president of the United States was getting grill by this later because he doesn't do we have flag, is moving to me symbolise everything is wrong with heavily produce nobly produce television or one of the things is wrong right. What's really wrongs, they pushed the agenda, they push. What you're gonna talk about you'll. Do decide who you're guess are no one has any say and whom I guess are I was all of them. I choose the day they come in. I choose what what we're gonna talk about this
The conversations are only what I'm interested in things I'm interested it. So I don't have to fake anything like it. I'm talking to. You has excited to talk to you today. I get excited woke up this aroused. Even those can be here does know like who do we have to talk to you today? That shit never happens, you that's why it resonates all these shows where its heavily producing or in you know just trying to get the biggest celebrities in like there's a really stir being video from of Howard Stern from two thousand thirteenth somebody leaked and it's him giving some speech in. evolve as employees talking about getting the show to become more popular. This is where we have to do and we have to get. You know x amount of celebrity to a list to be less to weaken, like wow our house, roof ham and they their town, people to make fake twitter profiles and tweet celebrities and was thus I cast? too bad yet exactly those my feel into it.
a person who is a gigantic fan of him growing up. It's like that. I didn't. I never thought he thought like that. I never thought anybody would do that. This is one of the best things about podcasting, at least with the way some people do. It is just that It's just wrong some people here it with stumbles and all they know. This is just to two guys talk and diseases to girls, talk and sweat that that show what is called the collar daddy. That became popular because, obviously just these were. These checks are talking. They just talk that way they in people oh, my god like this- is how we talk when we're with our friends and they people it resonates with. You can't get that, on the view you can't that on these heavily produce bullshit shows that are on tat. We have a million producers and everybody cuts in maturing commercials and fixes people's hair and your super self aware. That's what happens on those goddamned things. It's weird people come
with notes and producers like. Maybe we can bring up this in this episode. I know you like to talk about this, but let's be aware that But I think that you think this, and this is a mistake when ended we ve got. It shows that whenever you talk about these people to now, so we gotta stop talking about that. So shall I what all this research and all these metrics and they fuck it- gets all fucked up what what resonates with people is authentic, authentic conversations and you dont get antiquity when you have overly produce things we the Hunter people's ideas all shoved into one person's mouth? You did, it doesn't work that way did so the moon, Where these pod get bigger and bigger the more they thought they fall apart, because too many people get involved, you ve lived too many people shift them modem and change them in and they become just like everything else, all these other overproduce things look there's some overproduce things that are really good do tonight.
With Johnny Carson, you could watch to this day, like barbarism programme really good show, but it wouldn't work today. It wouldn't because now, it's like you have watering your ears, no you, don't know you have water near and then it comes out like oh that's. What hearing is like? I can hear better than some put that water back in Europe like what the fuck's I want or doing in there. I know what it's like to have: no water but yeah yeah, that's about algae, but you get one I'm saying I'm gettin represent people or their accustomed to this thing. Now, where you, you know, that's just there's no filter between you and that person you're in room. I guess I feel when it was new shot like it's you and whoever is in there with you- that's it does no one show that are really light. Like lobbies, but one other really liked. As one who talking with the author, whose book turned into the revenue that Michael Punk that
the great l, p you and K E, that's a great one. I came up not thickest. I think he doesn't pansy on the Congo monkey Punk, damn sorrow, Michael you cause? You have such a great knowledge of that subject and you know it. He does as well and you're a smooth. What is this was that what was it like for you when they, instead of doing on the planes they decide to do in a rainforest in the Pacific Northwest like what the fuck was that likes and you're? Talking to him like it's real clear this is just you and that guy- and you know you're, honest and whatever else is there does does know, agenda. There's no voters is no producers. So it's it's a to a resonates gets in the head. Easy is slides right. And their that that story those little bit. In some ways, might have a little bit to do with.
a sense of responsibility or something because I had taken so many swipes over the years at my disapproval: swipes that the movie, the Raven right and voice my dissatisfaction with that movie. So much that I believe one like this. I believe the author, Then reached out or a friend of the author reached out to say, You know he's really aware of year much fun. You guys have with the movie and I was like die. Spry have guy on but it was because of historical and accuracy is right and it was. no fall to his room. That's all try to make clear like he'd. I think what it is actually taking place. I think he heard the rise hack. Anonymous that we're hack and on him on him and that's it heck amount
heck and on the movie, the food. And then I want the gear words on this. I wanted to get with them to be cool. Isn't it always When someone takes a movie, that's based on a real historical event and they distort that historical event just for film just for it, example that I always use is that movie dream was a dream. Catcher was was the movie Fox catch her father capture, annoyances, the wrestling yes Olympic Wrestling T movie based on a real wrestler marshals who fought in the USA and in the movie La things take place that I don't know whether or not they took place, because I am not intimately connected to the movie, but I'm intimately connected with the you have seen when Mark fought and you have see fought a faint fighter. It's a famous vi is a historical fight. He fought As a wrestler against a guy named big, Daddy Goodrich, Gary Goodrich was of We fight is a famous pioneer, the sport in the movie, the only five. that mark, as ever, had his entire career Emma may. Finally, you have seen in the movie he fight
russian guy, a white guy with the change it instead, a big daring stained do the rocky had fight now, but it wasn't as they do that, but they took a historical events and they distorted for no reason like You could have had him fighting big, Daddy Goodrich. You could have had big, big, daddy, also war. Again, he famously would go into into the octagon with a karate outfit on. So we had his is Guiana and in the mood you know is a guy with a fuckin bear short a white guy like a bear didn't make any sense like. Why would you change reality as an enemy fan. I know. What happened? What gets a historic fight it would be like when Mohammed Ali fought sunny less than if, instead of sunny, listen, you fight some fat white guy Why would you do that when Nobody knows what happened. So that's a hit Stork movie, where someone exactly talking about, would podcast with anything else. Overproduced someone
got their greasy little fuckin fingers on it decided to change reality. I think the outcome from a couple places been witness to a little bit Are you come some people wanting to exert creative influence? Yeah? and also people. Three things. Why dessert creative him? Florence wishing that the truth had been different. That doesn't make any sense. Well, yeah and a third one has come to combine, but to table which things of indifferent be like I'm a Rick actually having a conversation like this with a producer one time about filming hunting things where like what? How do you do it in other? How do you like?
This thing up, maybe like man, you would do what you can do with a scalpel right side, very precise. I use a very small knife to do it and no joking like could you do with a machete? Because in their mind, there is not the respect, there's not the respect for how things are done, It's so show business that your view being you're, not in love with how someone did something you're in. love with like what the end product could be visualized as meaning its more arresting and their mind to see someone cut something up. The machete like they can picture it right, so Why be inhibited? Why be inhibited by the reality, and I think a lot of people would other would like be like I don't know shit, you could do that with a scalpel right and they love that fact yeah, but some people don't love that
well we're time, while it does little have alone type knives. Those when I first saw that others genius now thought, oh, of course, makes sense, is your surgically cutting up parts of an animal does make sense but the difference between that is like this is a physical act that hasn't taken place yet you're about to do it and you gonna filament move we're talking about other stork, oh yeah, and that's words real problem, especially for someone whose main I'm kind of a Martial arts historian, you asked me about do you see. Eye to and I know a lot of you can't lie to me. You can't say that Mark Schulz fought some rushing. I like that's, that's nonsense. It doesn't make any sense. That is just a producer things ass people, while no people will notice in India has some some guys: EEG War, no nor greasy fingered mother fucker want to come in and ruin something because he has his own ideas of. How do you know how to put his little touch in it, but I turned it into the white guy
he's lease sit in the movie. Theater says my idea: they wanted it to give it a black eye from Canada wearing a gay. That's. It was big data which is from Toronto, mean big, daddy, good reaches famous that's. Why does this crazy, like Mark Sholtos famous to like this, is the first time when the gold medalist in wrestling competing the you see, we have to see this insanely die, wrestling like we're, just took him a time wanted to just just completely control. The fight was really fast. Because he was coach for Brigham Young believe is Brigham Young university date. They told me can't keep fighting like you you're, going to coach wrestling. You can't do this cage fighting thing cuz. This is early UFC. No gloves you can wear shoes like the rules were like real squirrelly was a totally different thing than it is now is one way to maybe maybe two weight classes back then one or two weight classes. That's it
so for them. It was like distasteful, whereas now maybe they would look at that as an opportunity to get amazing publicity for the college. Look are our head guys. You have seen champion because marshals there have been a. U have see champion, no doubt about it. No one was gonna. Stop that guy from taken up. I'm using one of the best wrestlers to ever wrestle and They he was the one played by not marked ruffolo. My revellers the older brother yeah riots rights mark rough, lousy, older brother, the older brother Dave Sheltered, get murdered by this to pocket up too crazy store. Do I personally, with the the Charlton Heston movie. I leave us from nineteen eighty called the mountain men. Now it's a period piece about free trappers, Norma. Like Beaver trappers, some real humans, just informed Roma hodgepodge of events informed by a hotchpotch of actual events. So there is an element in their very detailed l
went stolen from John cultures. Life with an event called this come to be known. cultures run. There's some there. character is, did are these amalgams of different people? Who can drifted in and out of that time in eighteen, thirty nineteen for is dead. You agree, job with costumes, but Bieber trap their beaver traverse. The trapping scenes are in it. Like Laughably bad. And you wonder why they didn't just brings I'm worn in to have them like urban, so urban less effort to have the Beaver, sat they're making makes sense, but they just someone out there just doesn't care, they don't care. I hadda Our citizens, more those movies we're all the native Americans are works effort.
the heroin, like the native Americans, are blundering idiots there Yours is a blue made. Nineteen eighty, it is there. I had a conversation once when I was just starting to get an acting. I think maybe I just been cast in a news radio. I've got brought maybe not even been brought into meat with these producers. because they knew I had a martial arts background, they want to talk about me doing martial arts movie. The interview did not go very well They were talking about things in movies like all these. Wild scenes and in their ask me what I like an hour ago, the boy like things that are realistic. I want I want see something that I know what work like. If, if a guy in a jumps up and split, kicks tube people and knocks him across the room. Like that, doesn't I go I want. see like realistic scenarios where, where a person who knows
Martial arts can go all that. That's pretty bad ass, like like Chuck Norris all the shit you want, but there's a lot of Chuck Norris movies. We had like right. a realistic fight scenes ill by music, the cop movie Chuck Norris, lone Wolf MC wait. Now that I was alone, we fought Dave Carotene. There was then he fights no matter like they. They killed his dog and any got pets that was personally to bar. Do one movie with it, where Chuck Norris did not the thin blue line. Is it? What does it go to silence? That's right! that that was a movie where it was a real movie like it wasn't. It wasn't Jim Like a karate movie, it was a real move. It was a good it like critically. Craig was probably nineteen. Eighty is well equipped years that movie
here is in a bar next to this age. Do jobs is by a pool table. Get right across fight. Was everything you I wasn't too outrage ass. It was like he was really fighting like a mate. It made sense like you could see that happening. Maybe that's the best example A good example is weird it sounds stupid. Cigars, early movie above the law, What people say I've fucked in blood above the law that Stephen Cigar moving when he fought people up at a bar, Leggy believed it yeah, I'm like he's not doing. Jumping spinning wheel, tax or anything like that is- is crack. People over the head would pull queues and breaking their arms like the other stuff, and I buy that I, by that somebody like you to do a lie: elegant analysis, aid, sorted directors style analysis of the fight scene at the end of cannonball, run a business Stevens ago walk. It is to do
back when he was leaving. I met in, and I met him in a catfish joint Oxford, Mississippi Catfish plan is urgent. this rule. Do you member when he was a real cop on a television show. People got what multi with him in this movie and is not a good move. Bang starts working people up See that lucky that elbow that upward elbow hundred percent legit hunters real move that you see in my time all the time. That's real that the Heaven or ass could be doing that right now. Right there bam, that's all percent ridds legit needed at the face of all the jet. That's make sense like this guy's gonna swaying boom all this shit. This is real. This is this is Stephen cigar as best these are like legit believable. Fight C mon eyes. You bob this even the way it was even cigar. People talk, allow shit about Miss Stevens ago was a league jet Kido Master like
He was one of the first, if not the first American, to teach Dough Joe in Japan, he tottered Cato. He was a hundred per That was what I bet abuse where some kind a robe, He lost the script somewhere along the line, but back then, during this movie, fucking love that guy- and I remember, bringing him up in the meeting and I'm and I'm This scene up, and might that's that's what I want to say, and I want to see shit that what work and they went into and they were like people. Don't know that I go, but I know that. Tunisia yeah, but how many people are you like? You were out there? You know I got but tat movies yes, we're move in the guy got upsets me yeah. He just didn't want hear me criticising his perspective on something I was an actual expert? Has you ass, you do one of those breakdowns, regular a crowd, asean removal. No, they like I've done the breakdown where you watch all the huntings I'll. Have you done yeah, it's gone Pro. Do that without G too, and I want them in them
ex lonely them, and then I would I want. Why would I want anybody else? And then you have a producer, then you have a big organization behind you when you could just do it here, you can just spark up a joint go yet The wolf they kindly pull the no. I had fun, they get the rights to things moving well just like the kind put it I know is that they play they pulled all that I am pointed out a bunch on the movies form and they did their homework. found a bunch more and it play. You hunt scenes removes Cameron hands, did that with archery, that's correct and that you know said to me, said the best is that movie brave than animated be brave. He's like the girls form is excellent. Zira agendas, everything perfect because it's animated he'd have to teach an actor to do it, you could just mimic like a professional archer doing it like
giving a fine like a scene, the arteries seen in brave. But what do you do with them or not? I feel I have a good fight. Seen breakdown like would would deal like a gift to society, maybe, but that that. Seen in above all, that's all the jet We not the flip and the guy on the ground. It was holding a gun and see if we could see the girl But what are they parity? This was this much hurt her text, I mean even the way hold in the bow. It looks like a real human. Oh she's got some course at the total By that I mean heard technical, it's perfect I'll. They must at last Let me now let right looks good
what I want to do so this this franchises Jijiu franchise called the breakdown I wanted to do. A parody of the breakdown in expert comes in and analyzes diarrhoea scenes from movies without never actually happened because, like the scene from what was the movie yet I'm a dollar was earlier that that volume of never actually generated by you and, as I said, you'd be dead, yeah it but there's something about people. When you get to many people too many mines to many too many, it too much influence does that? It was a thing. There are things that point the thing the toils, so Does it think that shocked me richly about doom about doing books? As I remember TAT, this is not to discredit my agent by I remember having a conversation, my publisher, we can like over,
launch one time hidden hit on, and I did for a book and she seemed like I agree with the idea and just Europe is in a room and she had cheap, had an imprint and could make that call all at random House and talking, I, like you, I think, really cool and I left the lunch. And called my agents that, like I think I may be just kind of soul, the book you know you call and double check and to think that, like a thing of that level of impact, Would come about, which is that another be really inspired by that. That's what should happen right yet, but that's like, the amount of people that are going to read a book, so there you putting out the you feel those of influence here, a fraction of a fraction of what is gonna, hear you talk and theirs
and there's not even to people. In the conversation about who you don't talk to her. That's where you re reduced it every day. The down to a single point, but people know what to expect people listen to the show like mine My ideas evolve. Yeah. I didn't interested in new things, but am always me you know it's not as another product, I'm not a thing that someone is concocted I'm not a thing that someone like when their certain people at around like late night television, we hear talk your man, I'm gonna, get that guy drunk yeah. I want to know what that guy's Gacek gonna buy it. I don't buy it with me. If you like me, you don't like me, you know exactly what I and also is not a lot of men that are allowed to just be like a regular man on tv anymore or on anything, What are these rules be? Like you, gotta, be some fuckin half neutered thing Ah, you know you have now of all evidence of toxic.
Humanity must be removed from the way thank and behave it can't be like a guy would be if you just hanging out with his friends, that's problematic is problematic to distribute mainstream like so many men out there that feel like they dont have anybody that represents the way they think so. One of the things I think they're resonates the show is because there's no filter, because no does no executives tell you what to do. I can be myself now. There's a lot of people like me out to your credit, I think the year very, very open about the eyed, the the evolution of your thought in your very own when about ideas that year not trying on, but your own. about your thought process mean
saying that your voice, something and and do a good job of voicing that you're aware that there's probably more to the story Well, I'm not married. My ideas, that's important, I think there's like what is, I guess, there's like a subtext there, and I think that someone could even look at transcripts of what like could look at transcripts of what you say and not get a false idea of it were they listen to you it carry with it the lack of like the law. of certainty. As you hear a new piece of information and in discuss it a serious and look airport, where people as mad about something tromp said, like you, you got your ties. Reelect Trop said this horrible thing again, you'll find the video exactly like
and since I am, or whenever is all worked up, because tromp referred to palm pale at you as the secretary of the deep state which are that was wanting yeah every solve angry about it the major video watch- video like the Deuce make, is a courageous Beethoven. Tell kittens funny. It was like everything about the interaction was a joke that was in the interview with CBS, the same sort of thing, the interview with CBS, the woman brought up a thing to say: that's not what I said. What I said was a joke. I was joking. I said it like this. This I'm choking being sarcastic and being silly that's. What I do like he was saying that explain to her like you're, saying it in from way than I set it? That's not how I said it. She was trying to say a thing in her words like you said add in, and she says it this way a testimony said he said it like this any
That's it the way he said it and you go up he's fucking around, but they're, trying to distort what he said, because it makes a better narrative. The narrative that he's an asshole I could go on all loud when I in too much, but I could go, all day about legitimate complaint. Someone might have with like the administration, but the thing about him like the thing about him saying funny, things and that making people mad, I really don't. I kind of look appreciate the humor, sometimes eyes, an awesome troll mean that's one of them: ways. He got so much attention during the two thousand sixteen election. He would say raise your shit. Knowing that the media was going to complain about it and they were just giving him free advertising, because he was saying things you're not supposed to say when you run for president and when say that this is outrageous and they thought they were sinking him, we're gonna show what a bad person he is in people watch him say, and they lay the latter fools married before they gave him free advertising. You know it's a we're in a weird.
Place for people that might listen to this Sunday. No one knows the president is right now the Election has been went on last night, but it hasn't been decided and it might not be decided for three or four days they think did Pennsylvania's the big one, They don't know who's, gonna, win Pennsylvania and if he wins it's apparently he wins may everyone's one of their state and pensive anyone's. But if he loses Pennsylvania, Biden, winds and could be really weird do that you're larger due to get President's me no fucking chance, that's a terrible job. It seems like that. This distorts, who you are They they they push narrative they they say things about you, the horrible, then they do adds where they just trying to break down you care, no and depends on who the establishment is four against. I mean what doing with Biden has been extraordinarily weird or their ignore. All these gaps,
Ignoring all of these like real agenda. I don't think you can say that are ignoring is gas mean, go watch, gaff, compilations, yeah banal as we see not his aunt and his allies at anybody who is in the news, is not in the news you're in the news in the business of strengthening the news. You want people to see. Now you don't want people to see him. Thinking he's running for sale, it is, I want everyone voted for senator you know it's like you, don't I hear that so they don't show it, they d take away all the times. It forgets what he's talking about the they don't say that There's no thing that they ve ever had on CNN is where they have a legitimate rotation, whether not he can hang in there for four years forget about eight like how much com, active decline. Has this man experience? You don't feel they discuss that Non CNN now now they haven't, they avoid it like the plague. They avoided the hunter by females, they avoided all that they have. They avoid so much. They have
with so many different things that would be detrimental to him because in large part, because they believe they covered that stuff too much into doesn't sixteen Hilary when it came to the emails and deleting the thirty thousand emails, and then the FBI Real, the investigation right before the election and that could have cost her and they have decided there approach this time. They decided tromp is bad and he's a danger to accuracy, and so there only cover the news that they think is important, but the problem that is, then you, you open up the door to Fox NEWS being say: why Why aren't these other people covering this covering this, because their biased and its fake news and these these people are crimes. This is all the G8. This is all happening right now. This is real stuff. Here's Joe stumbling hears, Joe Biden set, you know saying thing don't make any sense, here's job over and over and over again you know you, you know over me: you ain't black, other, crazy,
then do not the not highlighting super Thursday. It's easy mad man, it's like it's it's weird, but all each It was you that the news is not just a news, it's the news for the left and the news for them. you don't get skydiving underline source. I think that is a little. I think that people who are on that are R. either feigning ignorance light like people who don't think. That there is an inherent by us with the news organisations within law, term legacy news organisations there either like fire, meaning and trout, feigning ignorance, because it benefits them or their just flat out like like naive, but it has never been this obvious where they just ignoring really horrible.
you dont want someone to be president. If they can't think right right, you of your someone shown a real, clear sign of cognitive decline. You do you dont you're supposed to highlight that this is part of the news, but they are already picked him. To be the guy running for the Democratic Party, and they just did is decided to just ignore all that shit you, but like ours. New York Times. So I M going to tell me I just go after what you're ascended I'm reading updates. Now, though, as of now, they ve called Wisconsin for Biden. Arizona has not officially been call, but I'm seeing that it's called and if he just wins Nevada and Michigan, which is currently up in that's enough to give him to seventy. It doesn't matter what Pierre amount about Pennsylvania at that moment boss.
I don't know that's the part of like dive. I heard last night. I think it was Karl Rove. Actually it was saying on Fox NEWS that this reporting number is not accurate because they have no idea how many people voted right now and how many mail in ballots or into early ballots, are sitting out there. So staying at like ninety nine percent or ninety five percent is in. That might not be a good actor number to go off on this, for which state. the states. Yes, it closes ones right now and Nevada Michigan Georgia bouts, look how close they are or do they're down. Reporting like through, like chunks of three thousand votes, is fuck. It knocks man from administration. I think I said there already Fatah lawsuit to stop the counting in Michigan. What does it mean? I don't know why? That's why That is why why would you want to start counting on our silly? How can you justify the Argo they want to stop count yeah, but they want to keep coming in Arizona, Who was the Arctic Ocean
what is on going beyond? What do they mean? Stop counting, I don't know, looks like Arizona lost. Fifty one percent to forty seven percent as a big gap left. Two thousand gap with eighty worlds eighty four, so they have sixteen percent of the possible vote out there, the other. What what's pissed off Toronto is was business his team is there What their counting our male ends and mailings are Democrats, rumour likely to vote mail and yeah right. So that's like I'm sure, to get on your tenaya yeah. that that's his grave about these things that are land around it and I think that he thinks there discuss start making them. I tweeted earlier like these like to keep finding Biden, votes and all estates yeah, like someone's gonna, find four thousand Biden volt somewhere sure is also made weird rules in some states. We, the signature on the envelope, does not have to match the actual persons. Signature like you in you is sign.
I'm looking for a male endow. It really that my I know my mid term ballot got thrown away, did look like your signature. I got it, I got to know I was out of town. I got a call, there's a problem, my ballot by the time I got back, it was over and I didn't get counted and did they say? Why It was like I didn't say I didn't sign and data right or send signing day and day whirlpools assigned date, some have you ever felt like I was. I was like quite pleased with democracy. The fact that they try to come rectify the situation. I would have had like do a bunch of stuff if you know where to get fried noodles in the way enough time to do everything I need to do, but the back of some dude like place a call to be like your vote not counting, call backer Do you got do act wisely in a hurry to get your vote in and I missed by now, and was constant Fox news projects limiting trumps chances of reaching two and seventy electoral votes, while of vine one it was constant, was in so it's kind of over right,
Mass lost three hundred box, it's interesting in Arizona, went blue, that's interesting. I mean always goes Blue Oregon always goes blow that I'll make sense Washington. That makes sense. yours funny. That was not happening. It is when we set this date, Joe. We here and talked about the matter could be on fire as being accorded this, I think the waiting to find out what the results are. Then, then they lead to fuse can't start the fire, yet they might have one like both sides I, like the tromp people, their larger over mad yet and then another people one what's happening here, no one knows once decided once it goes to court. That's, issue, which is very like the different way, the different camps. If there is like a court in a dispute, the different camps like that the one impulse is too mount a giant flag on your truck and get
our duties and trucks there were around, but that's all you trot people, I don't think that's one camp UK one camp or be I'm a friend who has a student who has a husband in the military and he described- are the rolling motorcades as vanilla ice is widely known It is because that review is, he served in. It reminded him of the ices flags in the bag of trucks. Vanilla, ISIS, that's hilarious, that was his depiction of about the other camp. Is that you and the other camp when you're mad, like you or to like you got that you ma Large downtown No, it's like the two satellite play books in our different yeah ones in a car ones, marching like a display, a good like. I don't think that any knowing that we'll get it if no one is going to get mad about the buy. I like no buying personal, put a big Biden flag on their truck I've aggressively Vienna Highway, no here's my
take tromp, people, aren't gonna, go downtown, not arch and now other cars wonder. What would like, whose what side is in war shape to March dividing people? The trump people who would have like wars, backs and fucked up, that's impossible to say you know I like right now it's about that responsibility thing. Now I right I don't know if you activity pride, don't feel this. I right now, I'm kind of like grieving for America a little bit not about how their election might twist, but I'm grieving for America Bow. If the polarization is true- and I could times question, whether its true or not, because when I go out, I just have like I'm. On top of this all time lily. When I go out about in my community and elsewhere,. sitting here- I now whatever I have like very poor of interactions with my fellow Americans when I go
the gas station they're going to buy some shit. I come away happy. That's Mozart, people, I go talk to my neighbors wives. Like I legitimately my neighbours around me. I have no idea who their voting for I really dont know. I can actually dont care go and talk to our neighbours, there is like a love right. But then all I hear about is the ripping apart And unlike either, I'm in the dark and its ribbon apart and I'm like you stupid to notice it, but I do like, I do like I'm a little scared, I'm a scares. Well, did you watch the social? networks. We ve been in our own people with kids way, watch in fifteen minutes, Yarmouth like River TV and our bedroom, but not only when I'm home, we like watch fifty minutes over and cell phone. I have no idea why
while the old daughters. This is the dumbest thing. I've ever seen. She hated it. We try to make her water goods wandered on the dangers, dilemmas of social media but to her social meat is awesome. I like Tik, Tok, she's Tik Tok in and she knew not whither friends should seize the positive sides of it. What I was trying to get to see is like obviously, Chaz no interest at all in politics, she's no interest. It is as though stand the division that happening in this country, because people live in these echo chambers. In the argue, ideas and that the way social media exacerbates this with their algorithms, that point you towards things that are outrageous, pointing pointing towards things it piss you off and keep you in this the sort of ideology bubble and the people are dividing further and further away from each other, and you look at this shift in the way people view the other side, whereas with so many more people that were sort of centrists or you know had in our little
Of the from the bit of ideas and right now, that's very divided, very divided in its directly correlating with the invention of social media yeah, but the if if the division and hatred is only digital but spells out, obviously does belonged to the real world, now you're right. Poor later I could Seattle me you you lived in Seattle, for why did you ever have imagined that they would take over a six block area, Seattle. Yes, you really don't you think I feel like. I could definitely see it because I e when I was there, there is enormous and an enormous IRAN amount of tension, round on the homeless crisis in Seattle, vat Loitering laws camping laws were just suspended and
They would go into an encampment like webs com, a wish under the property from going in legal encampment or whatever and move everybody out- actually scrape topsoil, away, aware needles and stuff, whatever great the topsoil away, Pullao. people just move back in, and there is a lot of tension about this, and it was that some people, why? Why don't we? Why can't we enforce like? Why? Don't we enforce the law and be well? You know it's like inhumane to people who are in need and theirs got any merging tension there. So too, It later be that you saw that colleague blow up on this grand national scale. Doesn't surprise me seeing like that level, love of of just consternation from people who had been there a long time about why Do I have this feeling that there is like law,
The army held two, but some people are just not held to law and this is pre covert when you were living oil. So, like Being witness to that and hearing the amount of of griping about that, and then seeing it. No I'm not my while its denied felt very but almost not like, not at all surprising, that happened, yard think there's places in this country that have like legitimate almost on fixable issues with homeless people, you're LOS Angeles, is now one of them LOS Angeles. When I first move their ninety four was nothing like there's nothing. There was tense the universe, our tents. Now my friend sent me a video
driving down downward in Venice and she held her phone about the window and it is up a mile plus of tents. Does nothing but tents. It's crazy! Like you look at it, you lookin at thousands of It's like this is insane. How do you put the lid on that? How do you get those people out of there? Where do you put them? How do you clean that area mean it's disgusting and your talk? Venice, which is like a very wealthy area, is a lot of money in Venice alot of beautiful houses you're on the beach in their fucked fucked. I was going to a restaurant there with my wife and we stopped at a red light and there's a beautiful house so left public millions of dollars right to the right ten tents. Right across the street from Iraq and House like small road and then homeless and came across the street from his beautiful house like what the fuck can I talk to people that are there in like now. We have ring those little ring
doorbell things with the videos constantly seeing people stealing shit cause these beat seen people breakin into the yard trying to get into their house wandering in their backyard trying to get it in the garage psych, and they did there's no solutions. The government doesn't do of God think about it. Yeah I've got input on all kinds of things done like low and put on that have sought and zero. We did our company, we did a river of liquor. River access park clean up when picked up all kinds garbage at a river access near knew where we work in. Ah, there was a almost encampment there in the woods, the river access and maybe like, like very of how scared because I like it, super rude to go and like pickup garbage like act like there. Aren't people can't their rights and and not acknowledges human beings.
you wouldn't know. If there are people, their fishing or people are having a picnic, you would engage right right so MIKE Why do I feel like chicken shit about engaging so I go up and guys I know I can see my colleague open, like your business redoing cleanup projects. Garbage hallway dude, like they give us couple bags. They takes bags photo irish setter, sat on the trail, we all the way, unlike for weak I've been like, but now I'm gonna, and it was easy. Just like it we have. As there is like I ears I get this writer Jeff Jeff die. He wrote this book yoga for people who can't be bothered. Do it. Jeff, dire, he's a humorist nor this essay he wrote about struck. with his. Desire to witness great poverty.
When you travel he's a professional traveller, you know and you go to India and he would he stood. coupled with. Why do I want to go like? Is it bad like? What is it that I want to go witness behold the spectacle of poverty? You know now, instead of like most people don't put that in their traveller tinware, so he would specifically do that on progress. Now he talks bonds. But why do I look like coming? Why do I like? That is definitely perspective? Changer right, viewed, start thinking your problems and you'll see, but the real problems well. Ok, now, but homeless, people
in this country. It used to be a different thing. You know it used to be all people that were drug attics or all people. There were mentally ill, but I think with cove it you ve got people that just had nowhere else to go. There's a lot of people that they might be homeless right now, but they don't wanna, be they just don't know what to do. I think this. I think that number is bigger. That's ever been before. That's what makes it even scarier and that's one of the reasons why something like universal basic income is interesting to me. You know I'm not interested in letting the government take our taxes and and do things you don't get a receipt for where taxes go right. You don't know how much your taxes are going to frivolous things are things that don't make any sense or thing. You don't agree with, but if I knew that my taxes were going to very specific things that I agree with, I would never problem pay more taxes.
Ross. Pro he's major little charts shown where your money. You scared the shit out of he's a reason why bushed in when a second term Herbert Walker, both there was the first time, less trump loses in modern, history were present Didn't want a second term, the first time while Carter and then Herbert Walker Bush it because they saw that Ross Pierrot thing he took it. He bought it, our regular television back and there is no internet. I haven't show you what's going on here, Harold you discharge, We got the money goes and he was telling people what the fuck open up a lot of people's eyes to what the irises and where are you and he goes and why its dirty now scared the shit out of people. so we're time be alive, Steve, I'm not. I don't I'm worried about the future. This country too, I'm worried about in a way that never more it before yeah. I look like.
I like, like Amerika, so much a car social summaries. They collect challenging my challenging. Why challenging? Why you could be propped why you can feel proud about being in? like a citizen of a country, you just were born there and you just live there. Cuz you're born there. It's like how can you be proud that you're just born there? man. I can't really sucks it out by feel like it's like. I have like a sort of like a sense of pride and patriotism, and chew, and so I like worry about the country in a way like what it feels like for people like everybody. What it feels like for people to be american and knowing that their people at a point there are legal, even challenging the idea of taking pride that, like that's a sign of something bad and also people who, conversely, are take
in their deep sense of pride and love and using it to leverage in diminish other people here's a sort of like I love it more or I have more of a right to love it and even like the fact that that to either lack patriotism or, conversely, weapon eyes. Patriotism at all makes me feel like a little like I'm little skittish right now. I never said I wanted there's. This is true, because someone saying that Google and Facebook both removed the abyss. to have an american flag emerging. That cannot be true. I dont know I read it. Just Google that there's just I don't know just google that good like giving? If you want to leave a comment to have of american flag homology, like me, Twitter, like you, put a series of merit and flags and thumbs up yeah, exact, kiddo,
anymore. I don't do now, and I also know every dollar literally dont know if it's true, I read it and I was like what I was running out: the door. What I get where people would say he had no say in being american. Why would be proud of that? You should be proud of things. You have accomplished, she's really proud of things you worked hard towards, but what America stands for. I feel super lucky to be an American. I think America stands for an incredible amount of innovation, incredible contribution of music and art comedy and just the overall impact has had on the culture of the world. For a country that system over two hundred years old is phenomenal. It's insane. I mean. I think I think this is the greatest spare me in self government and in getting a bunch of people? live together and then what will can impact it has on the ass the world ever minutes? It's an amazing place to be
Conversely also go out. I it think bright. Now people are concentrating only on the negative aspects. had conversation recently with someone who bill over the course of life, a bill of billion dollar business and highly critical of the government. Highly critical of government while simultaneously building a billion dollar business telling me he feels no patriotism I'm like fucking, u dont, virility, patriotism, dude generally deliver. Hang you perhaps on the government, the holds I've ever built, the successful business you know there's little magic and that that to be in place that can go down while the gospel, good governance, not ideal but it's burning at all to be able to live. I believe you know I just really could be like man is placed so great. Down the garden. My whole career and made a bunch of mine here and no one shows up the beat me up to then China you'd be dead. Name is places
yeah. It's places in the world right now or if he did the exact same thing, they literally come for you and kill you. You know we were talking yesterday and the podcast about this, wrestler in IRAN. That is, World Champion wrestler who they executed, cosy, participated in a peaceful protest food and the? U Fc tried to. Please make a plea to the iranian government to do not kill him and if I can kill them anyway, they want to send a nice message: scows ain't, a national sports hero and they want to send a nice message. We don't give a fuck what You are you are you are under us now we are a powerful theocracy and we'll fucking kill you and they did yeah yeah. That's happened right now: that's twenty twenty somewhere else. now as bad as it is here, and it is this not ideals, governments, ideal slump. This is not perfect
When you get an old man who can't talk another guy's full of shit and they're, the only people we have to choose from. I know that's not good, that's not good you don't! Then there are other choices. I voted for Jill Jorgensen. I voted for the libertarian candidate, even though I knew she was going to win. I mean I voted for California. Words had no chances yeah. I think that that's a that's a very interested to hear you denies that headache. Wrestling astonishingly, similar thought process, as I feel that my ballot is to live in, linking to stay where there's ninety about where it's gonna go and to try to support lead- not necessarily like the libertarian party, but try to support the idea of the EU to have a viable third party of some sort. Did we need it,
I wasn't just happened. It doesn't have to fall into this. This crazy system of of like this, like this, like collection, the thoughts and as other collection thoughts, and you pick between those two. That's it. You got any. I thought that, like any effort you could lend the idea of a third seat at the table would would, however, I know you're pissing into the wind. Still man yeah. You have those two two schools of thought and these two schools of thought or both funded by the same fucking people I mean. That's, that's what's hilarious about at all. This is all funded by gigantic businesses. It's not ideal. It's not good, and the idea of a third party
gets mocked, mean all the way back to Ross. Perot just know whenever he's about as close as anyways come in at least took some votes away from Gary Johnson. I voted for him to Gary Johnson, didn't put a dent in it. You know he barely had a chance, then I don't think Joe did either, but it's one of those things where you got to you got to look at it and Goldie. Do you agree system. Now these to keep Goin can go with it. Every four years will have for years is eight and then twelve and the next thing I know you're dead, though it's over. You'll get a hundred right. If you re lucky, not even voting for most of those like when you get to the end like what is what these step up, their Wendy Santa want to participate in this ridiculous. Do awfully anymore because that's what it is doing and their ball thinker boots with some branch of the media, which is its groves.
And then there's so much money involved and someone people are saddle and up to the table and influence them, whispering their errand and making all these compounds rising deals and Do you think about how long you have left on the planet to shut down? I wake up. I try to think about that. Every day Y'all like politicians will enter office, not make a clock set for like four years or whatever that counts down. I need to get one of those like a life for, like roughly my life back in the accounts down back. What do you think that your life expectancy? I mean you are one of the few people that I know that has almost been killed by a grizzly bear. I am well a real innocent like in a brush yeah. Well, it ass a southern enough where it was scary enough that I now now I've studied at a fair bit, that I now know I had on. I had a mental. I had a. I had.
I had like an elegant near death. Experience, mental, a near death serious mental experience even all's unharmed, but but jarred my brain so hard, the jarred, the that that the this the minute the seconds occurred jarred, my brain so hard that, as I studied as I've tried to be curious about study. But what happened in my brain its parallels are all found, and women in its discussed by people, discuss near death experiences, which might just mean I'm not like a mentally, not that I'm not as tenacious memories. I'd like to be, but I my brain got joggled but don't you think the job of the word, because now don't you think that when you're in contact with an animal, that's that large mean a predatory animal. That's how Bay was ten feet, how big is grizzly easily. I don't wanna want to like for all of us and we ve got a lot of Paris is being like. You know, a mature browner, ok, so much
you're cognac, Brown yeah. That's what we want to talk about talk about where you were out a fog knack island loses a place that has enormous bears that whole part of the world is known for some of the large brown bears on her. Yes, it's a separate from cardiac by narrow straight like so like the code brown bird, mainly the world's biggest barrows, is neighbouring island, but that's bus, if experiment specimen autumn, amid animal, better, huge, just huge yeah, when you're around Somethin, like that, where there can be no doubt that you can't get out of the way he can't you can't fight it off. You can't you're you're, helpless, like it must trigger something in year your mind where you you, you come to grips with the reality of predator and, pray that you almost we're on the menu yeah. There's just no way around that you can't there's no there's! No,
rationalizations, you can play in your mind when you're confronted with such absolute superiority, life mirth the term Plan Possum, yet obviously so. Our understanding of a Parsons now as it not plan to conquer, bear their stress he's not planned dead. He had such an like. He had such a stress level that is shut off, I'm like embarrassed to admit, but it's instructive to point out that I was planned possum and that moment anatomy blame. yeah like a passes me out tell everybody does noticed there s a real quick fog bank the original Urban YAP in a long time, but we had we
hunting at Honda Elk up in a tree and left at first day and a half all the meat hanging tree then were camped few miles away from her and went back to retrieve when barrels of you guys to retrieve the me out of the tree and bared found it, and we are very, very aware that this might occur and went up investigated area around the tree and determine the baron found a fact that the carcass of the animals lay not far whales untouched, I cite there's a pile of bare shit that had been smeared on the ground and a member not that pile, bear shit and wondering if it had been smeared by bears full or smeared by boot, and I determined that look like had been smeared by boot, which road, Madame wheat smeared the shit when we were hanged thing. An it's like sat down to lunch and. within a compliment to sit down and launch it came at the bare came in its
but mouth past. Eighteen inches from my head and I was facing away cells last one to see it yeah as you know, but he had a pistol. He had bear spray, but he hid in the head of the pair of la black diamond track and poles. He had sat down, get spray and set his pistol on his pack, but then, when the what about like plan Possum and all the shit happens there his instant is the smack it with tractable, while everything you spend all you know, You spend all your time thinking about are you gonna handle this? That another thing and ah sometimes, is disappointing that you don't handle stress that? Well,
You know I just I don't know, I don't know where I was one of our guys: extra got run over by a Barbara wrote down the hill. At that moment. I snapped out whatever else in, but I was shot me down bad I've noticed even notice. There's a thing to have the people when they get really cold. They enter a sort of a self fulfilling prophecy mentality. When you start to get cold, you lose start to get really cold like it. Where you get like where you could be in a hypothermic situation. People stop doing the obvious things that you would do to get warm. An ice is aware of that, as I am is many times of experience that I still see it happened to me. I thought the snap myself out of it like you, just like you
in cold you're, getting lethargic you're, getting you're, getting cold, more lethargic, the colds getting worse and ass. We like you, can stop you can step in renounced others and that the Roma is still is like. It still doesn't come. Naturally, were you taught me, will train like you? Don't you train for the cost of that they have to train. In a very realistic environment at the trained. Let keep your head, you don't just like make good decisions if you walk into like us. active car crash. Seen reverend offers us offered hand lying on the ground right, some people just gonna see their hand. I could see anything else just gonna see chaos than I can focus on any particular thing, but, like the then come and see the hand Sierra they them like assess all that, if, like it just from exposure to that super traumatic stuff, not getting coals dramatic, but I do wonder why look at how I respond to things. I do catch that there's, like us,
a mentality to practice and learn it's it's understandable that something like a bare attack would trigger senses and trigger response that you're just not conditioned for you not. I don't know how you. Ever get condition to a better than I know. I don't know you may now an unnecessary mile in these duties at the same island there was some guys some. the same island ethical later that same year of some British, some military guys happened to be earning their. They got tat by Baron Guild got warmed up most about he killed, my why'd he kill ignited. Maybe they had a gun outright. You're a weird situation took as if you guys were relaxed eating lunch which regards down you sit there too and honest. when I was laughed ignores and middle San were like
how the middle of a sentence I'll, never forget, because someone was laughing about why we're putting some sandwiches together and someone was laughing, but why my sandwich look so much nicer than someone else is sandwich, and I said If you want. I was in the middle of saying, if you want a sandwich like this, get your own fuckin tv show, but I was never able to finish the sentence by noise, in the middle of saying that, when all of a sudden, the people around me erupted off the ground I feel like a landmine, had gone off underneath as well, because they saw that it seems like Norway. They came running up there. well scary man, another bad luck, verbal forbid of exposure and am now, but I'm in relative, most autonomous boy, You don't think I asked extols my ten year old kid during this year couple times. You know
on Caribou in Alaska NEWS. It was, is like cool to kind of see his thought process. You yeah you've been exposed to a more than ninety nine point. Nine hundred and ninety nine percent of the popular For the rattle you like that, those disappointing man were always talking about do this now do arise. Ike yeah. I should prefer the forty four over the three You crazy! I, if I can't get it done with this thirteen out thirteen reasons. He doesn't want to charge me with the semi audits, like all those like bulls you know, but also delay, heads and, like you know, What will the track and both have always seen one grisly ever
in the wild up close and it wasn't a big one. It was like six foot pair, but it looked at me in a way that another bear as never looked at me before you seem black bears blackberries ligature like what are you who you what's goin on can I walked by you like black where's. Look at people. Do it a weird where neither like denizens of the underbrush man, the grizzly, looked to me like this tis locked me, and I was like oh shit like that- is just a different thing. I get it. looked at me like now. Am I eating you a martini, now. There's a mindset, probably that comes from the mindset, the probably comes from just not being challenged. Do
where I was out in Alberta. They began hunt them, so no one hunt them so they're they're bigger, more fierce and they have no pressure. Not you can still and Alber can it be. Say again, more BC camp are you cannot grizzlies now burden air, gothic, elbert and probably not, I must say- and I we were, but I know that they still have cited. Elvers busy lost its busy losses. The answers. My our friends, John and Jan Rivet. They were talking about how they're trying to get them to open up some sort of a season because they have a lot of money. There now go and because the woods are so dance, they don't really know how many of their arbiters. So many encounters with people yeah that the busy shot down was very was political, where I was very ill
Like I was a referendum issue, yet that's a weird one right, because the people that are making that decision they ve never had an experience which bears what you talk, the people there actually live in the Bush and I'll. Tell you, though, tis a lotta grizzlies up there, and then there is also a thriving business and industry of people that were guiding up there and the other costly in contact with them and their I'll kill. This is not mass endangered animal young people to live in proximity. Do like people to live in proximity to things that are regarded as day endangered tend to have em tend to have a different perspective on the abundance than people who look at it from far This is a good time to find this out what happened in Colorado, the walls by having had to pass Jamie Porter They had your past overwhelmingly an ozone tracked you. I know that Utah's right to hunt and fish passed by a landslide constitutional right on fish. What does that mean some states have now there's like com,
the fine that you have a right to hunt version and the disease you have teeth, but it might future just give away to challenge laws as bits being used right now and not like Montana, has a right to hunt in fish caught. You have a cost, national right fish, meaning that that You know a state has recognised that renewable resources can be like should be allocated to honours and anglers and its Ben and you might ask they will has ever come into fruition. There are There is a lawsuit right now in Montana, Prs lawsuit against the governor and the state who they put a cap They put a quota on the Wolf harvest. There are being sued by a conservation group whose worry about the steep decline and elk numbers there being sued by conservation group that their right to hunt is being infringed upon.
By a reticence to control, Wolf numbers to the detriment of became, hurts are you? People are supposed to act like apologetic for the fact that they want wild game resources like use our goal. You know we talk. This one individual that you were curious about, who is very your mental and warfare in adoptions, and he refers to hunters as the recreational big game, killing industry and his colleagues, a swipe at people who saw act like is not a legitimate perspective to want there to be dear Elk, Moose caribou to eat news, I'm like very unapologetic about my view that I want there to be a lot of deer elk, whatever game. What's mostly, your food right I won't like I want that to be on the landscape. I want there to be abundant amounts of that, and I don't I'm not bashful about the fact
my desires, their influence, my feelings about predator management. I dont view it as their bad wolves, kill. Coyoats competition, yeah yeah, see her pass. It's too close to call captain banal shirts. Why to that, while man they were, I think they're predicting. That was a done deal holy shit. It's only now that has to be clear. That is just that would proposition one foreign Colorado is: is there savers your great great what it is making that that the state fish and game agency will need to craft a plan? There is still a lot. It's not like. It's not like that passes, and also here comes a helicopter full wolves. They doesn't go that way. They have to craft a plan. That plan has to be approved.
Yeah it'll be a little bit like you can. Imagine will be like all kinds of lawsuits, all kinds of issues lots. We saw stout but it'll its forcing the state game agency to craft plan and take seriously what it would look like. There there, because the argument is like all you make, The popular vote you're taken science out of the hands of scientists putting an end to the public, but in all fairness I hope it doesn't pass because both are showing up in Colorado on their own? Nothing, that's a better way to go but like less social tensions. It'll happen, slower it'll, be like a Yo Yo Catholic generate a sort of different sort of war. That way, so I but doesn't poverty, including better generated different sort of I mean that wolves that this is what it is a little bit fuzzy buzz
like one wolf's, we establish bull seasons and month, Wolf, hunting, seasons, entrapping seasons in Montana, and an idle after long period where there were no wolf seasons on season. Some a really dramatic impact on how the wolves bathed behaved. It it made them. Much more secretive move them in different areas can pushed push them out of some of the bigger riparian zones. Edges are change their attitude. Change the way they interact with the landscape, so you're getting it. It might be true that, I having wolves that have this instinct of authority coming out of the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem. We are passing down through of southern Wyoming and gone Colorado. They might I've kind of all they might have develop? Define or tune instinct about avoiding trouble with people like a lot of selective pressure against wolves and against grizzlies alot of selective pressure.
Since those that are too ready to engage with man. It's like a good to end up dead when you engage with man spend too much time on livestock spent too much time. On developments is like it doesn't. Work out, for those the ones it shy away from an avoid mutations avoid livestock like that's them mentality and a wolf gets rewarded, so it could be that If we're headed down a path words, it's just gonna happen The Colorado's gonna have wolves now say like absolutism, perhaps because it happened they showed up on their own hesitate within the numbers are operating there having pops, so the people who the people, the architect, of this plan and Colorado's ages, knucklehead fast enough. They want that real fast and do they have a specific reason why they wanted to happen faster they. They would say that that wolves or gone because of
human manipulation because a variant General plan to shoot them employs in them off the face of the earth is an aging hundreds. Yeah thousand eight hundred and ninety onwards and vat is wrong. That's a sin against nature and that we have an obligation to rectify that crime that sin and bring this will back their enthusiasms, don't extend to all sorts of imperilled wildlife, but this is a highly to them. Us very three symbolic one. It's very symbolic people that you the why they don't have those passions around the black footed ferret. I don't know how to love black footed ferrets. They don't feel that way about black footed ferrets, but with wolves. It's like it means a lot to him.
I think also, that is bringing wolves in is alive, It's like also noted, going to tell you this, I have a suspicion that I have a personal theory, that it's a kind of a way to sort of stick to hum It's kind of way to stick to cattle producers, com it is still the hunters. There's does a little bit of that that infuses it a little bit of a cultural. Antagonism that that that that that that each isn't scratched with Blackfooted Fair were like it is of wolves, just symbolic. So isn't there they like vegetarians, don't take it the counter producers. Could they don't want people grow and cattle, mink and distant to speak and very very general terms, the cattle industry has been historically quite hostile to environmental groups, castile depredators rat hostile, wolves, I've kind alike,
If you, if you can work into my brain on it and startled like just except one, values, com, a true thing, I I do like wolves to beyond landscape eyes. I recognize That there are real problems, the come real problems for real people, the calm of wolves. I don't think we should. I don't think we can just finally play God and eliminate species from the planet. I got of that feels very deeply wronged me. I want beyond the landscape, but if there beyond the landscape, we're gonna have to set what that looks like and then open up. like pressure, release, valves and pressure. These values will take the form of hunting entrapping like statement, there should be a stable population, the wolves. We should agree what that population looks like and they should be managed by the state as a renewable resource as like. What I want is pretty clear, I'm not like an,
Anti Wolf person when I am as an anti abuse of the endangered Species act person I'm saw alliance. I predator at all I enjoy CM I caught. You ran in Montana got friends a stabilizing only very rarely in glimpses of em, but You can go, find them quite easily in areas like in Yellowstone. National parking go find them there were. People would like even before the hunting season starts, you run into a more has been o Brien and PC. I met then, and we we found day carcass of a moose calf that had been torn apart by wolves. There was wild the arms pray reason was called to say the other day we are looking at a brand new, honest flanks, we're looking at a brand new track and a big burn area. A brand new trade and brand new powder stone, a powder snow big burn area
and looking around he felt he could see everything this nor still follows brands of black sea that thing torture in front of a friend and you dead, using that same area on that same day and had a couple pass and forty yards of em saw. You know It happens it it doesn't get there such a psychotic animal for the west. In our lab there, there round, I'm glad they exist. I've only seen one in the wild wants now was in Alberta and it was, it was at dusk, barely see it run across the road What is it was one of those things I saw you. I saw a black one this year. An all the time I saw it. I was wondering That's what I was seeing like the whole time actually spent looking at it. I was like this out, I'm saying and then It was gone and all that's what I saw so. Never appreciated the fleeting never appreciated the moment. I spent the whole moment and wondering what I was looking at
I have had their day arousing us up. I got his amount line than my honour us, not the back of a big. Aren't she on the. Why I had my mom line. I saw a squirrel one and Albert. I thought for a whole second, that it was a wolf said, a wolf fuckin squirrels. What is wrong with you, but I was just like in between trees and dense forest tell what the fuck I was looking at the Arctic Explorer, though John or Steffens, and describes sneaking up, on a grizzly bear. That was a marmot, and he describes seeing a walrus his head. looking out of the water. and then realising it was a hill on the land with two white snow shoots coming down these trough. In the hillside, we're not mine, plays tricks on you like that.
That's, why don't you call Llanos, not its though earth when people talk about seeing Bigfoot ran to one lady when I was doing this big foot show ends up in the mountaineer and she was very adamant that she saw guerrilla Jews are big guerrilla walking through the wood is like I'm looking at my that's a gorilla and the members like Blouse Lady, so sincere wonder what you really saw. But now I'm convinced saw blackberry that were standing on two feet, but I bet in her mine, I'm thinking about me. Seeing that stupid squirrel documents Wolf, P Your brain plays little tricks on you and your imagination fills in the blanks there are these forms. People have found three big for its on our tv show because they don't realize. people are eyes like Don gonna get out of a shot lair its Kosovo might like, whatever someone might be doing something like realise all evil
Doc into brush and lay down and paper. Like I asked you go to this moment. The second you'll see, I don't even know it's there, the guys. Don't you knows there? We could see it in the bushes people love to find missing things. Things are real and said this that, like, if Bigfoot was a hundred percent real, everybody knew there was bigfoot. It wouldn't be nearly as interesting as orcas like of orcas weren't. Real people of orcas were legend like at the people have seen this thing. It's in the water, it's intelligent and it's enormous and they can sing any of different languages and dialects, and they might be aliens. then maybe for another planet apparent didn't even her people, they help people fall off boats and they actually rescue them, and these are all things that people said about killer whales but because we know killer whales. are really seem like a fuck. You can put it in a second swimming pool and sticking in a parking lot in San, Diego and people come to SAM and they think it's cool, my kids,
They have a lot of. We get him lot animal books and they like the dinosaur books, I still wonder: there's like a law is a picture of a dinosaur than a person to write, so you get around inside relative size. Since I find myself I probably of a hundred times my children said: that's all that that dinosaur borders great passes a great the biggest thing to ever. Live on the face of the earth is alive right now. The biggest thing ever is alive right now, when the Dyslexia, T Rex man, ass a university degree, the big Creature ever is now now.
but there's a man. If I could only visit the death like a shark, a man of a shark wasn't real, but then you see one or they thought a shark was extinct, but everyone cares about mega dont like they think they might have found a mental don megatons might still be alive, but no because about a great white, that's that's alive for sure. There's a lot of them being go. They fuckin, breed San Francisco go in the water, they defined them. There's this video does an amazing video of drone footage off of Malibu, and these guys are surfing and you follow. The drone footage is a couple hundred yards from the servers and see a great white swimming through the water right passage. People like Jesus Christ. I was looking at this. radio tracking should have a great way on the EAST coast, a heavy like hangar on the course known, also like be lying Four bermuda hangs round there below.
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gotta, tanned and me daughter wanted for her bedroom. Then there is some kind of custody battle alone up in my boys. Looking that picture. That looks like something from a doctor shoes book that doesn't know you're real animal. The one on the right. The big picture is a crazy man and aren't our vitals in a weird place to vary for very far forward. So you almost low and low and forward, and how far the lungs go back. Who would mean the limbs go back lungs, o Longs arms. Now as far as, if you're accustomed to not as my bag through customs. Dear you. Actually, you gotta aim like weirdly forward weirdly low, I shot one shot top of hard off it but I was aim like I was under instruction from a person a guy that we are with you and you like imploring me, like you, have to listen to me like that. That has to go this way. You'll lose at thing in the brush while,
He said when they make it into the brush, manages sinking feeling they like. Don't go down easy don T, you like shooting, shooting I'm really felucca shouted again, but yet worried about losing the strong, strong animals. But I'm in IRAN, most a private land. There are public funding options. Opportune one. Is that an animal that gets hunted by tigers and its natural environment? I believe so I believe so, but I have no five zero expertise on that. That's the thing about access dear apparently was explained to me that they they do they in their natural habitat. They do get hunted by tigers, so they're so fuckin their equipped to deal with have. You hunted acts of ill health ass to the best tool for what I did. I no longer the boar you're right, really where it really comes. The high leopards, Poland, leverage pray, there's nothin, in all with american Prong Horner what we'd properly call analogue on the ridiculously fast
for anything they have to deal with and whose, like they now that there is a big evolve that the american Cheetah yeah and now He looked like why they need to be that he has every reason to be that for Hest, yeah, get ahold, hold Dan Floris. Again, I had a mind years ago to talk about his book. American Coyote lost contact with me. Still too Adele and I haven't, but I feel as though, if I reached out to him, he would be, as is warm inviting as he is right he's a little act, man v vanity was one thousand grab. school had to take like out of disappear. Seminars on like that I took his I took, is his The history writing western history. Whatever the hell class, I took his knee. Kick my ass. A kick. My ass is very hard class to take.
and I learned a tremendous mountain that guy he was good professor. I wanna get him together with someone like Randal Karlsson, who is an expert in the younger driest imp, theory, because the two of them coincide like the the mass extinction of north, Can mammals yeah coincide, Timeline wise with the younger dries impact theories in our ran across and spend his entire life focusing on this impacts area. How had ended the icy people talk about a bee, unlike the idea that never dies. I was at the linen Meyer site in Colorado of a famous Folsom site ice age encampment, and I was there was one because I was I happened to be at that site. That there is a guy there. We're gonna need certain sediment levels, define these little micro crystal these. These like
things that were created during the impact. As you had all this radio carbon dating that had been done around and Linden Myerst, we knew all these ages and he was in there. Looking for these things and the policies that I was with Russia Dismissive of him was like, ah know, but there Less and less so now what we are about, their very invested like we're I didn't give you the guy, not you long ago, tumble scientists, those Entomologist Justin Schmidt was written. Like. Why do young scientists stars make all the discoveries not all but Ill the good idea, like some of the ideas come from young scientists? He set his people, my job reduce, defend our old ship he's getting worse, don't really like the result, the busy defending our old theories, while so many people and the anti poverty side want too. toy the boots. Greek theory right, which nights dead at that this point, its debtor that really matter
talk about got opportunity to revise my book after ten years, put some language and around the blitzkrieg hypothesis. So what's the replacement theory was explained, blitzkrieg he had blitzkrieg hypothesis held that on that It was the arrival of humans that led to the axe, your patient and extinction of a lot of ice age. Megaphone saw you'd, look and, and- and it would be, that widen mammoths go extinct in Europe in all thirty forty thousand years ago, but they went extinct here. Tender years ago. I need your map like human migrations, and you found this kind of like compelling pattern of the fact that people show up and she goes extinct part we did. We did a podcast about the guy. You should talk sometime David Meltzer, who knows this world better and it s really elegant is a very elegant theory. It Splain law lot very quickly, its seductive, because I think it's seductive from a cold
perspective, because it allows you to fantasize that past culture is whereas destructive as our own, which makes you feel good, that they were hunting these things to extinction back then we can't be that bad for driving things to extinction. Now everything out of the very packaged up and had a nice bo on, it was are the eat away at the blitzkrieg hypothesis? Is that More dna work on extinct. on. Iran remains like more dna work on bones and I agree your picture of effective population size of these points, populations and you realize that things were steep decline, anyways things were changing rapidly, anyways, maybe p boy came in and kind of like did the accrued agar. Ah on some these things, but it wasn't that they blinked out they faded out.
For a long time, but everything our perspective of how we use look out and made everything, seemed very compressed and very immediate and soldiers. Age has gotten like more complicated, has got more complicated, as we understand more than you add the you add that that of populations were perhaps call having long before people showed up and also there is the problem gestation period, yeah, there's thousand How do you do that? You guys like people coming into a valley and you would kill some females and could have like a on Annette Fur fur package herbs elite, these things like very low fecundity that you could come in and kills. females and have this this impact on it. There is also the problem that our criticism of police officials weight to the criticism has been called the bison boys where they had this fantasy. Others, like roving highly effective, big game. honours and then people point now to work Is there not more evidence of like wiser such law?
mitted evidence of humans, killing, mastodons and mammoths, most of them such as gone right for a long time ago, but but that's another thing, When we used to do and archaeology they would throw everything away, except for the big bones. They would look for. Projectile points look for big bonds, they also just get washed away in sluice boxes or through sieves. In all, we were looking at the finer picture of like what people a what was there. They thought any association of human artifacts in May the three main meant that wall economy one thing these people killed those mammoth sites that are described as kill sites that, Now people invest like. We have no reason to believe this is a kill site First thing that came out of Mexico not long ago over the like all the other is a big kill site. They even flip the bones over an hour
do this in that area in his analyse, come look at like brick. There is no compelling reason to think that this is a kill site. because I'm now, like you, take a elephant but dead elephant dump it on the ground. Look at the month look out at a month later gathered a month later, look out at a month later. What happens to the bones? You know in things we used to think we're. Kill sites are just not. It's a long time something dies tangles by someone goes in camps their later on its jumbled up, you find a projectile point. A mammoth Bonanno got killed it. Like well known. Now, we've analyzed it that the three thousand years separated these two occurrences so much plays on the planet. Shit happens in the same place, time and time and time again,
its fallen apart from it for reasons he'd Meltzer described more eloquently me. It is fascinating when they're trying to piece together what happen based on some bones and some fossils and based on tools and just whatever evidence that they find in the ground and that their trying to put together a comprehensive portrait history through this, what a lotta anthropologist laugh thought is that everything unexplained is always on like over of religious significance. Hausa Let's say you find a couple Buffalo schools in a circle to do in a dignified, some Buffalo schools face in the same way in the circle series and whose, like a ritual, yells, ritualistic or just do, might be. Like died there yeah, I mean I might be caught up dear. My kids come in and do something line the hooves up in some way: stick em in the snow right or whatever things like freak is by yeah like unexplained things are always like. Ritualistic
symbolic reread stuff into stuff, but he added. Let's Craig hypothesis, I'm sure it is probably some hangar on bottom. It's it's it's it's dead as the mammoth I love it so so beautiful, especially because this like this, like Wrangle Island, where the the warmest surviving live there till three four thousand years ago and in that's. Why enabling One ever showed up there: they need to colonise by humans Why did all this big shit go extinct in Australia? Forty thousand years ago, when people showed up its. You gotta that melts do down. What's his name David J, sir he's at Southern Methodists University, where I went to visit a minority showed me, is that of the Though Folsom type site, where they first excavated falls and bones. I got the whole
and you can see on the skull. This is no joke. This isn't like us making believe something is true. These are you know one thousand two hundred and thirteen thousand year old, bison skulls, and you can see all the cut marks where they cut the tongues out the knife. We can see the knife work on the bones. Wow he's That is that there is a sharp man he's written a bunch of books about the stuff he gonna blow your mind low, but when we were in Nevada will we went on that meal? Dear Humphrey show I found Arrowhead and I lost it. I know what the fuck happened. Someone cleaned my office and disappeared, we're gonna talk about put a useful support. just leave it there for the back and I didn't I was with some anthropologist one time there we're fine and sweet shit up in the Brooks Range in Alaska and you had to leave it there. Man made photograph and sketch it and stuff and tuck.
into the talk him back into the so crazy talk it back into the tundra. Would you fine, oh old stuff, all stop these geyser? What constitutes projectile points? Big projectile, points like how old, well the guiles worth he's retired. Now again they might cons. He had found a thing called the maize site and he had identified like. That kind of varies like mathematically, the most remote area in North America. If you factor in distance from roads and settlements, he had found this very prominent Mesa. Where wasn't a campsite was the place that people would sit and wait for game to come by and found hundreds of projectile points up there. Many things are like ice age, projectile points they had all kinds: radio, carbon days they built all these fires up there and so hey there, there's those be. He did his whole, like book type thing about its
the academic community accepts it the academic consensus. Is that he's right during the eye? say I was twelve seven year, twelve thousands Ahmad going ago, it was ten thousand seven hundred some ice age day. People camped up here made shitload the projectile points. This guy found him We were doing a continuation of that work mapping out campsites and we would finally on believable points. Unbelievable points seem so fucked up. What has it been picked over yet I know, but it seems so fucked up to leader, only man. It was like against every bit like Michigan Elbow Greece had laid out for me. I would fantasize feel like I'd like you know,. I believe that there was some down gonna get me out of here, will be mine, just the idea of holding on what those
Just put it in your hand and isn't imagine what it was like, when I that guy used tendons too lazy to stick their bad birds, they get their food I know how the other bad. They thought they had cool stuff There are so many other new shit technique. Strategies, delight tat, goes out there. They you young, guys it all there. I thought oh sweet yeah.
There's a lot about here: lotta arrowheads, apparently out here, ranches people find em all time. My friend Garry Clark Junior had a picture and his instagram page. You profile Jamie of a perfect arrowhead. He found the ranch amidst is perfect in use. Look at that arrowhead. You think I am someone sent that through the lungs of a white tailed dear boy, hundreds of years ago you that sweet, ass, awesome. Look at that thing. It's perfect unrealistic! Someone just made it. The man time travel, I now you imagine if, if there was any every time or you can just go to view just to be a fly on the wall of history, Do you know when you think about twenty thousand years ago Mile City Montana specific? Why. This. Could I just want to see how and want to see
maybe not twenty, whatever the hell it is. I want to see how woolly mammoth interacted with that landscape, Look at the bully mammoth in that in their habitat, their own, at sort of arrival of the first humans. There's a guy and friends with online dont Gnomon real world, but I contact me actually sent me some stuff from his sight but he's. The instagram handle. Is the Boneyard in Alaska to know this guy here with? No, let me see if I could find it if out already Dago the bone. our last day. They have this site that they face something there once many many years ago, and- then they ve, been pulling all the The ice age, caribou horn they ve, been pulling. All these incredible pieces out
I mean just over and over and over, to see that one picture at a bear track. Look at that or next his foot is that a black bear or small grizzly bear was at. I want to see the front foot better, but that might the front for the back behind is heal. My camera looks like a grizzly. Now, if you scroll back to the page, Jamie go down, they've had a bunch of like look at the one. The upper right upper right hand corner for squad on the podcast about that girl, because all the tasks they keep fine and there I mean they ve- had its a treasure trove, one area and it's not an enormous area. I mean, I think it's only a few acres that they ve been excavating in finding all this shit, but It's just a massive amount of dead bones and and skulls in an tusks and and this one area first day with my wife, I took her to the La Brea
Please would you get into my old stopping grounds? I've never been, but that's really no, she tells a story where they had like a little miniature bronze of a mammoth and she said on others. Baby may they must have found a baby man. Then I am, as I will now actually know that, she's again no shit, we were a little lady. You stressed that's a specific time: So you would want to see that more than anything else, if I could do a second, if I could take a second whack at our go like a second setting back to the future part two yeah, I would go to. join Daniel bone on his first trip over the Cumberland gap that are to be wild Eddie. My second drowned in the wolves.
I don't know I know he's got a great story about a wolf coming into their camp and biting a guy, and what the surprise these hunters was that the Wolf seem very intent on one individual and bit this individual. He then later developed Hydrophobia. and they were out Jack lighting for dear that burn pine knots in front of a boat drift on rivers astute dear, and he had a bout of what they call the hydrophobia and went berserk. He was he had rabies at rabies. So Hydrophobia is like that. I fear of water, like I know what it is. People who know freak out had a bow had to be restrained, took him home, they died bow that was in his that was in his social circle, so the wolf had given him rabies when it better
came into a camp seem variant with alarmed them was how it seems so intent on a person invention bit that person killed Vega, and it has an early hound. Boon were boons on boons kid was, tortured and killed by Indians and and he was hastily buried in boon- went back to ah went back to define the bonds of his son and though wolves had torn out the body and boon, it was a rainstorm boon later described. I had lifted his boy out, held him. You know sobbing and then her Some sounds in the distance was summoned the common and slipped off into the night- and you think about like that moment for that Jesus Christ, when he later in life, he would
gone is long hunting trips, just him in his him in his slave together we're going like, like they're, like old old man old bodies or whatever I don't mean to do that, I mean to say, like bodies to those like right, but they were like they would take him and a slave would go on long journeys hockey together or so they could be great play right, it kind of would be when I retire on work on to some agile being those people not knowing what was out there making their way across the country. That's a deserve type of mindset too rare individual that, don't think we grow people like that anymore. Now, it's over observed it's over observed, but Lewis and Clark were supposed to keep their. eyes out for mammoth, really wow
as I go out there, man, there was some considering Was there any story, of mammals- are able to get all the bones of the bonds Camacho stuff. Jefferson airliner us in some of these mammoth mastodon bonds that had come out of some of those links and was thy hey man, you know, and it is now your shit like keep your eyes off her big elephant. It must have been fascinated to see what the wild life was like before it was molested by modern humans in our back in the sea. Steen seventeen hundreds like Dude Red Russell reader, also Osbornes Journal of Trapper well years at from using the late thirty's early forties Nicholas Journal, keep one of the few people that wrote a journal who wasn't bullshit it's a great depiction of what it was and if he was like thirty years after
contact in those areas, but I think I mentioned to you before, but like our idea of like pre contact contact possess Elliot. Whilst this historian, he describes how that's what we're Lewis and Clark at the great plains. Am I told you this when there's a clerk at the great plans there were Indians living on the great plan. So here's those a cart discovering the gray plans right there were India. On the great plains, who had Bendy Europe met the king France and returned here at that time. He's like It is that he has, as I say, is like a camera. What is called with its like a muddled history, it is like you wanna put it. You want to put it into like this, need chronology and shit there. Hundreds of years of just touching, go interaction watching go interactions, hundreds in a we, great. The cycle, linear idea about I yelled at all
some recent, like in this organised fashion. When found these areas that there's like crazy interplay. I had no idea that anybody from back then from a native american tribe, had gone to France. That sounds and say, like have they even get over there remember Jack gems, our mousses dead man, customer that people would be brought like, as like, like no doubt allegations. You know What we re trying to manipulate the government's France, Spain, England, in our be trying to maneuver late tribes, to participate in form alliances, and that you would that, though, that, though in illicit the French, might lie ally with with a group, and that group would stop the bleed of of of english colonists pushing it to the in all. Appellations in resolving this man, It was in it wasn't loud or cells. Having to like nails the tribes, absolutely the right they weren't capable of making decisions for themselves. They got on board with his plan.
But yet they were wine and dine and man. You like. You know we're happy to join forces with you. Why come to see my palace? That's funny, cuz we're in such an historic time right now or in the middle of it. No one day, they're going to look back on these days post this crazy election and when people are jockeying for position, who's going to be able to control can pod CAS Joe role of ever with your order better at all or not or not, but they're gonna be looking back at this time, but what a chaotic time it is this is. This is a history time when, when people the future going over the twenty first century and how the different
burns and new arrivals and tribulation says can pick a pivotal moment. We are with this Jamie Argo. Seventeen, twenty five group of Indians, including one President ATO and Osage, Osage Osage at one bizarre achieve one, Zuri young woman, one Illinois, one Chicago precisely that Chicago you or Chicago I've got another pronunciation anyway, and mature gummy ass were sent to Paris, France. There they met the director of the company of the Indies and the Duke and Duchess of De Bourbon Chiefs given a complete french outfit, which included a blue dress, coat silver ornaments in a plumed hat, trimmed and silver, their presented, the king, Louis, the fifteenth and they formed a dance of the opera. The french king gave each of the chiefs. Royal medallion, a rifle a sword and a watch.
there goes on a name or group so that one thousand seven hundred and twenty five Lewis and Clark were one thousand eight hundred and four but those weren't. Those were like you know not western. I was listening to, I should say on audio book about native Americans. Maybe it was black help like Alex Big or they talked about him going over to Europe and taking part of those wild. bill shows did over there, that that is one of them are fascinating things about the wild West was that these people that were involved these historic oh battles then regret added to them. It would be though, that this isn't Participants in the battle, little bighorn worded defeated the seventh Caroline cost or an command partizans pigs. That battle would later get together.
they would get gather casino, there's other. There is also a campaigns and at the same time, so that we think about cause you're getting killed, but not too far away. It was more soldiers, it didn't varies protest. That will later get together play it out hard to picture that we would have Al Qaeda fighters right, it's real in Colombia like I survived the global war on terror shit. Now I can assure you like now. I was sitting here when they in the door. How that happen. Actual people from what Gettysburg would get together right, yeah, returned. The. Oh, I think you weren't, like my man far or two I figured heads you gone, maybe he's older life. Necessarily Haiti won't get together with some of you know. What I too call crowds who were in the war, and you show what happened when your body got killed.
I like him, I believe now now that still feels low, fresh yeah, real fresh mean in these guys we're doing this not long after even they man, even old man, a decade, half a decade, in words about the level of animosity that these people would kill each other. Both sides and mutilate the bodies. Deep, deep, deep hatred. likes of which is hard for us to comprehend, like that that the impulse to two desk, right, the corpse of your enemy and then get together and have a wild west show about it. One of the mutilating bodies, you recommended a sign
Morningstar. I read it. There has ever heavy shit the things that they did to each other and that the crazy thing was that the native Americans had no sense of do those. There was no quitting. There was no sense of turn themselves in. There is no sense of like ie. If your capture, your your mom and mutilated, so they would fight to the bitter end. I they they knew. There was no surrender to the visa rendered. You would be tortured and killed. Now I saw the depictions of the tortures that and in parts of the summer, moon things they did to the bodies which is like Jesus Christ Ike when did they develop such in seeing cruelty in this has always been a part of being a human being. I was this exacerbated by the hard conditions of the of the plains like what what led them to be so
vicious it. It's a great crash manders, things bout like things these great the great lakes tribes of like bomb making people eat parts of themselves. You know but allowed had no physical, about the house, how you, if you could handle that and not crack there was respected, like a testing in all, but I dont know what it was like to live. I can even begin to imagine was like live at that level: stuff, theirs, I recently read a book called planes when the Yellowstone stone it was a history of the Yellowstone Basin and on the sky takes that whole its like an antidote to some of the morning star, because he takes that that cost her fight, which has become so emblematic of the west and, like this regarded as his big turning point in the history of the indian war.
And he treats it like just like a little comic inconsequential thing. That happened, wonder just didn't really matter the The book was written man, I mean Yoni as like, everyone knows how the story is going to end in that day didn't have any bearing on how it's going to end a guy did something stupid got some people killed the war ground on it, be like at four. It's like I'd, be like a for like imagining Didi right, What was their d day in, and we heard about sums, peripheral story that happen on data were like a weird thing: happened in some soldiers got killed and some guy a mistake: Gotham people killed and our tell of dna. That incident was called the whatever the back incident guy now, when we conceptualize D day when we talk about cost her, it's like This isn't his knowledge from presenting this way. We target cluster, we're sort of talk about D as the Backwoodsman incident. and we ve lost sight of DNA.
Was I just a little blip is like a thing that happened. It didn't matter. the war ground on like they beat him. They knew we're gonna be no one wondered: who was gonna win wrath? The wars like of aid that they some guy screwed up, got some people killed. We subjugated the tribes and then it became bigger over his over time, it became that we like that. That story got infused with all this folklore. Portance and symbol and is deeply symbolic, I'm a soccer for it. I am deeply symbolic air. Just war was intimate. Tat is, there is no other way you have yet to be close and we close to each other to kill each other now two different world right and with the planes, Indians, even more intimate because you're just dealing with bows and arrows the land.
is on horses to different kind of a different kind of life and death yeah flying drawn over the Middle EAST from taxes and go home at night have dinner a de facto it's it's interesting. How, where more and more separated from that, and also interesting, that the the planes Indian seem to take delight in it like it was. It was fun. There is fun sport. There is an ever increasing ways to be more cruel. And vicious and seem to be there. There's entertainment involved and yell some kind of honor code that I can't even begin to try to like guess at and explain, but things that would land you in jail today for war crimes? We were a matter of course expected
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