Steve Hilton is a former director of strategy for David Cameron, Prime Minister and leader of the Conservative Party in the United Kingdom. He is currently a lecturer and visiting scholar at Stanford University.
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about all kinds of groovy shit. Let's que the music going to jail, broken experience join my day, Joe Rogan Podcast, my name all day, Steve helps in my friend. Politics are dirty business, very dirty, but just before we get into that show you. I just want to say you've already really offended me fantastic. I just want to show you my phone.
What have you got here? It is
flip phone, so I am. I am in your was an old, crazy Gramma. Well, I have many friends that carry old flip phones, you, but I'm glad that you're actually just carrying a phone exactly. This is a very new development for me. Well, it's a good move, so it never has been telling. I got on the phone. I had not
had a phone for many years. Finally uh, I buckled under the pressure- and I got one of these yeah Steve Wiebe-
friends, and why Hawaii are our family? We're all friends? It's a it's! A very cool little develop
I really enjoy it, but I think it. I think it's quite hilarious, that your wife
is involved in Google and you
voip phones at all costs. You avoid technology. You feel that it's too entrenched in our life, this sort of
digital web that we've all been connected to yeah, I'm trying to fight it. Joys! Tough! You know it's an uphill shut them off, though that's the beautiful thing when you don't want to use them, you shut them off yeah, but that
that kind of nagging away, noring discipline,
It's probably right. Well, I feel that there's
benefits and there's certainly negatives to phones, but I think
the positive aspects outweigh the negative. I
like being able to communicate with friends and family and love ones and send texts, and I find it incredibly addictive though, and I think it because
I was at a dinner the other day with a bunch of friends, and everyone was on the ground down phone. There was five of us, and then I was like sitting around the table, looking
only texting and tweeting and taking photos and like we're not even here right now, but you guys are connected to this digital world. You talk about how awesome it is to be here, but you don't even hear you barely
bring attention and then there's nude sort of etiquette developing about. You know how to handle this. When there's, I think I was reading something about where you were eight people around a table having dinner, and it's ok for three of them to be looking,
devices- that's ok, but if it gets to more than three someone's gotta look up, because that's the rule who says says who stab lish right, I don't get it it's just it's
like anything else. I mean if you were at a bar with some friends and one guy is just watching tv only and not engaging in a conversation. That's just his rude yeah. I think that's right. I feel
and it's fascinating,
how my children react devices, that's where I really get a sense of it, because they don't have a cultural context. You know when
the four year old watch
television or watches devices and I'll stand in front of a watch just watching tv and she just reaches up and tries to move me. She doesn't give a what I'm thinking like she's, just trying to watch this program. Yeah, you literally Khan, get in between yeah. It's live, really noticed that if you just you know that watching something that's it you know you may be
you may have been away for a week and you haven't seen them and that desperate to see. But if there's something on tv at that point not interested
yeah, it Trump's everything, it Trump's all human interaction, and it's
very weird how it does it.
Does it in this strange hypnotic way. There's nothing else on earth that gets afford.
Well to just sit there, motionless right and engage, but a lit
He stimulates parts of the run, this sort of quite interesting brain science, about what's going on when yeah, when kids watch TV and it's generally fine, but when it gets to a point where they're watching you know more
in two or three hours a day in a lot of,
and these days are in that situation, it literally starts rewiring their brain yeah. It's not healthy to comply
lately, entrench yourself in that world and to be in that world all day every day, but a lot of people do because it's possible, but I think that
just like everything else. It's like I like
the option to be able to buy a cheeseburger- I don't think you should eat burgers every day all day, but I like
yeah. If I want one from driving by in and out on, like, let's do it, you know it's, it's not the
food for you, but I like the option. I totally agree with that. I like that for television. I, like I like watching, swamp people and watch that fucking terrible show
but a bunch of people Alligator Hutton and it's the
most predictable show of all time because
there. They look for alligators and occasionally they get alligators
but there's nothing unusual happens. They don't run into a giraffe like who the fuck is a draft in the swamp now just
alligators and these
with these strange southern accents in boats and they
fishing line, they catch the alligator with fishing line that sometimes they shoot the alligators.
But it's just alligator hunters, but they called swamp people yeah
even seen that I'm not sure that's going to be top of my list, you should invest. You should invest your about. You know doing doing a little bit of everything. I remember when german. That
We came out about Mcdonald's super size me yes, and this guy got
learn, fan whatever is Morgan.
Yes, you know he made it made a good point, but my favorite response to that was from Mcdonald's when the
The guy who runs Mcdonald's in Australia, went on.
He took commercials and they went on air when there's this big pr storm about the tearable, Mcdonald's, food and all this kind of stuff, and he
he went on air with these commercials,
I'm going to now attempt very badly in australian accent. Ok, the most people have
we can tell the difference in the british and australian anyway. So whatever you know to the same, I know I get it. I get it and he goes. He said. Apparently there some bloke is going around saying if you eat too much of our food and don't take
any exercise you get fat. Well, I got told you that
I just don't really sweet response, which is yet to all
something: that's not good, but a little bit. Ok, that's a quite australian response to as oppose
so the measured american legalese that you'd probably hear from students go yeah
You know. I have a real issue with that documentary and he did a show also called thirty days,
because I know what they're doing they're they're, not necessarily just investigating there also trying to achieve a desired result and that a desired result being something bad there.
Trying to do something. That's going to be titillating and, oh, my goodness, his liver is going bad. Like he's sick he's, sick he's toxic there's a lot of
who called bullshit on that, especially the live,
for toxins and all that stuff to like, where is
where's, the liver, toxin, you're dealing with carbohydrates and proteins, and you know and and fats. But it's not like this. These things aren't toxic they're, just not good. There is high in cholesterol in the kind of fatty and sugary, but
I know for a fact that they did some fuckery on his show. He had a show called.
Thirty days, where he's trying to achieve the same results 'cause they
A friend of mine who is a doctor, and he this
doctor specializes in hormone replacement therapy for older people, for older people
people that are, you know, like you start getting older, you want to replace your testosterone things along those lines.
They wanted to do it in thirty days and they wanted to do it on this program. Take a man who's getting older in thirty days injected with hormones and the doctor. Who is an f
The doctor said you don't ever do that
I would never do that and he said what we would do is we would get you on a proper diet. I would take your blood. It would take away
to get your blood results back, I get your blood results back. I want to get a detailed analysis of what you're eating, what you're doing, what kind of lifestyle do you have it's, not a simple fix like we give you hormones, so what they did is they?
around a quack doctor who did just shoot the guy
with hormones and the guy would
like all roid rage Ian angry afterwards and his fucking was wife wanted to keep him chubby. I mean the whole thing was a disaster, so this is not
ethical examination of this really it's like it's entertain
and it's not a documentary or something it's deceiving, though. The problem
entertainment. Is it's not a puppet show? Ok, it's not a cartoon you're pretending that you're exploring these ideas and
when I was doing that Sci Fi Show. I found some similar issues with certain
producers and certain people who were used to that world of reality tv reality. Tv has become this very strange mishmash of choreographed
choreograph scenarios and
we determined scenarios predetermined results and they do it so
live in this guy
is a reality tv, but it's
it's. Essentially, it's like loosely scripted, bullshit, yeah and they're, pretending that it's like this is what's going on in the doctors office. Now you set that up. That's not what goes on in a doctor's office is not what would go on in a doctors office you pretending,
Is that going to get people to freak out an agenda? You know they're trying to make a point and they set up like that edit. It like that, and you know it's totally right. Well, the whole business is completely fucked because the businesses started off with a bunch of people that came over from scripted shows, so the legacy people that were involved in these dramatic shows where there were no until survivor came along. There were no reality shows quote unquote. Reality shows so I have a
deep understanding of this, because I hosted fear factor for six years and because
in fact it came in in two thousand and two
which was when all the reality shows were being born, so uh
got to see where these people have their background from and almost all of them had their back
from traumas or from sitcoms or from the world of fictional shows
so much so that you were considered to be like a traitor. If you were involved in reality, show like for people, people got mad at me, they're saying that I was taking jobs away from writers, because I was involved in in reality shows I was like. Oh, this is a whole areas argument, but these people
all came from this world with your manipulate things
in order to make drama, so they started doing that to quote unquote.
Reality shows so that's what you're getting so this
thirty days show that doesn't exist anymore in super size. Me show their. You know
tackling very complex issues and
doing it in it to entertaining form and why
we do that this
some integrity, that sort of goes by the wayside, but I think that's right and integrity.
Yeah. I had a real example of that in the end, you're relying on the people involved to have a bit of integrity and ethics in the way they do their jobs- and I just saw a little example. This weekend was out doing stuff, and I did for
to do with the election in my company, and we did. I did an interview for the local news for the NBC News,
doing some demos of stuff with people in Santa Monica and they wanted to film one of the
people that we're doing it with interacting with our thing right well with our website and
at that point, there weren't any people interested in doing that. So one of the team said what don't we,
pretend to be a member of the public, doing it
and is really interesting because they said no
the producer and the John. They said. No, no, it's gotta to be. You know real
for the public, and I thought that was really cool. You know they obviously
where to go. There were busy they had to get back to the studio. They were really annoyed that there having to wait a long time for
actual member the public, but they really
did say no we're we going to take fake and it would have been so easy and no one would have noticed and in
that moment it was literally just their personal integrity and it was
cool to see and not on the. I hope that's really whites for in the news business, but it was just for me. A really interesting example of you can
rules and you can have stuff, but in the end it's about
people and their choices in the moment.
It is interesting that they chose to do that with integrity, but it's also interesting that someone suggests that they'd not right exactly exactly
that's the other side of it, but it was. I was really pleased that that's what they decided. I did a show for CBS once
Game. Show in my head and the the premise of the show was you would have this little earpiece in that someone could talk to you in so I would
ear piece in the contestants and send them out and when they
be standing somewhere, I'd say: ok, can you hear me and they say yes, alright,
Here's what's going on and then these two guys came in with cameras that were holding cameras. You are a reporter on the news. Here's your scenario
someone called in a UFO sighting. They saw a UFO sighting brought in the cameras.
Unfortunately, that person went away. So what you have to do is convince some member of the public. That's around there to take that person's place
and to say that they were the ones who saw this UFO and you
I have to get them to say that they were taken
board. This UFO and the
examined by aliens
and so you know was it was kind of funny there like okay. Here we go alright. How do I do this?
What was shocking was how many people, when you put that camera on them immediately said they would do it and immediately started just lying, just lying
was a silver craft. I mean all walks of life are very.
People said no, that was the most
parking clear when you
the camera on them. They just started talking and
started sort of repeat
bing these iconic images that you always hear the disks shaped things silver with. There was no bolts on it. They were going in
detail and talking about the the
medical examinations and this this guy
so uh, I think, was a guy in a girl. You know these,
test and who had to do this. We're just talking to these people and we
so all the producers in the truck were all looking at each other. Like wow, people are fucking full of shit. This is so weird, it's so weird how easy it is for some people to just Jen
justify making up a story just in order for them to be on camera yeah. But what did you think it's because they just
The camera they want to be on the camera is that they want to please the other person they want to be on tv look clever, it could be that as well
I think, most likely it's. They want to be on television, so they could go home.
Set dvr. You know it's an automaton get to me
fucking lie, and you know they just wanted to be on television. I think for a lot of people in this day and age. That is just,
Some sort of a weird ultimate goal
or just to have that camera on them, and then they go home and see it right.
That makes sense or not, and for a lot
folks. It doesn't make sense alot of folks. You know they
the one to one
of ruining their lives. You know they find out how
people feel about them, plus you
spose yourself to the critique of
millions of anonymous people fill
with hate filled with hate.
Disappointment their own life and just rated us spew venom in your direction. That's camp down to shit, although
used evil. Well, this
due this week
another thing. This weekend we went out and made a little film just to test that out, but the elections going,
in LA and we literally went up to people and made up
candidates that are running for Congress and now
what they thought about that you know and what do you think of Angelina Jolie running for Congress and they tote
this guys yeah? I was so excited when I heard that that's great, you know I think, she's great, and it's just that. You can't believe how people just engage with these things just made it up and I'd like you were saying, with the UFO thing he was like going on about it wasn't just saying:
Yeah I heard about that. That's great. He was sort of embellishing it and cooking about it. It's just ridiculous, yeah people
fucking, strange man, that's strange and that's a real problem.
When it comes to politics or anything
when you're allowing people to make choices that can affect others.
People are weird, you know, and a good
centage of 'em are really dumb and uninformed and not
interested mean when you say dumb and uninformed
here's what I think when I say that,
but when I'm saying dumb, what I mean is if
the human mind is
Essentia Lee say: if everyone has the exact same physical structure, the
act, same genetics, exact same hormonal system, an
one person does yoga
everyday and eats healthy and does Chin up's in the morning when they wake up and drinks a lot of water and the
the person sits in front of the tv likes to smoke, cigarettes eat, snuff,
but sugar. You
get to see the results of one person being very aware of their body and taking care of their body in the other person. Not well you get that
same effect with the life. You
get the same effect with how you approach the world itself. Some people approach the world through this
lazy, disconnected. You know like
pop culture obsessed, nonsensical pop culture, obsessed, Jamie talking you, you fuck, he's a little pop culture side not to be
Jimmy's, aware of a lot of other shit too, but some people, just they don't
enrich their life. They don't enrich their mind. They don't they're, not they're, not curious, and those people with all
these poor decisions and drug
addictions and the life's a mess they have an equal say
to the person who is rational and aware and kind and objective equal say an.
I think. That's one of the weirdest things about
trying to figure out how to mitigate the effects of the lazy. How do you? How do you deal
with the effects of the morons like when,
when you have a riot and people start pulling
people out of cars and throw rocks at their heads? Which they've had LOS Angeles in the past, especially after the?
the king beating and things along
well, just random white people just attack them. How do you
How do you? How do you allow, when you see these the these things can happen now.
Use that and it's an example could be million other things that are really stupid. That people do, how could it be the
One person
gets one vote and another person who is
very aware. Another person is very educated, another person, who's, very kind and very sympathetic to all walks of life
equal vote. One person
a total racist you could do? You could
go to a voting booth.
With a t, shirt on it, says fuck black people and you could vote and no one could say-
You know as long as especially have a shirt sort.
Flannel shirt, that's over the t, shirt that says fuck black people, so we have to really look hard to see fuck black people and you think you're getting over. No one can stop you
and it's
one of the things that they were trying to work around when they developed the concept of a representative democracy, the concept of
America, representative government. So I like okay, let's sort of have some filters in place
voting, but you kind of voting on a representative and the representative sort of votes for you and they interpret what you I think. That's that's definitely part
the idea. I think that when you I mean that that point you just made about the
reminds me. Actually the racist point you mention made. There was a really effective commercial
for rock the vote. I remember years ago in the in the UK, where I was back there
the time and they
I literally had some
image of wasn't images like a tv ad of the race?
sky like
spewing, racist stuff and then the
you'd better '
'cause. You can be sure that he will.
There was a really good way of making that point, but I think that, generally you know, those kind of people are the extreme
I think the idea is that most people are not. You know the
the kind of extreme end of it, whether either totaly
Where their views are just completely abhorrent, or they are just completely
off the page in terms of their knowledge, you got a majority of people.
Basically in
You stayed in good things happening. I think the problem is
we just don't know how enough of
but the information they get is not
just saying it's not presented in a good way,
there's other interesting things going on that busy with their life. You know they want to get involved, and so what happens- and I think this is happening more and more. Is you end up with
a smaller and smaller group of people who base
control the political
system, because the massive
people are just not interested that turned off, they think
getting involved, won't make any difference, and so
what you end up with these people with a lot of money,
special interests, those who
that kind of professionals of the political game running everything and that actually makes people leave
less inclined to get involved. 'cause they see what's happening thing all well. Why should I bother it's a really bad cycle?
Yeah and then people start saying things like all the new world orders and control anyway. The Bilderberg group is in control anyway, and
there was some thing yesterday that was in the news where
the members of the Bilderberg group in I think he's some dutch guy had some imp,
prompto public discussion with all these people and they start bringing out all these details of nine hundred and eleven
You know, nine hundred and eleven those the building was brought down thermite and they stick in a circle
the sky and start talking to him, and his is
fascinating. You know this. This idea of of the Illuminati need this idea of a small group of people controlling everyone through the icon,
like symbolism, eyeballs inside of pyramids, and all that
becomes.
In a lot of ways, a vehicle for for feeling unempowered.
That feeling that's exactly franchised. That's what
think. That's that's how people feel and
really notice. I used to work back in the UK in the government and I notice that there have been in politics along time. That's how people feel there is even more so here. I think you know if you
click today, with speaking on election day in California,
the primaries everyone
it's going to be, the lowest turnout out ever number
just did, because they don't think it
is any difference, I think that's the real problem and they feel the whole idea of democracies is people. Power is that you have the power everyone that, like you're saying everyone has the same chance to influence things and they have the power, but that is
what it feels like to people yeah
and then every now, and then something comes along with it like how the hell did that pass, and then they free yeah, exactly like proposition eight, where they're uh
field, gay marriage and everybody was like. Are you fucking kidding me in California? You repeal gay marriage them uh,
shocking thing about proposition eight to me was that over almost over the
majority of black people voted for it. They voted to repeal gay marriage. They didn't want gay marriage, which is you know.
Quite hilarious. If you start thing about people that have been persecuted right, I mean who has been a victim of unfair discrimination in this country more than black people. Hello! No! Well I mean I don't know because
I wasn't involved in any way, but the. But I've heard that when you
they exactly to your point.
That was one of the reasons, and that was particularly
case because it is in the year
Obama was running and you had a high turnout amongst those people precisely because you have the first black
I'm in Canada on the ballot for president, so he had more
people voting
That was one of the consequences. Yes, I have never sat. I don't know if that's
but that's certainly what some have argued.
Crazy, seventy percent- that's the exit polls said,
Seventy percent of black people voted for proposition. Eight.
That's stunning and the
idea being for a lot of 'em. That is
it was a religious decision yeah. I think that was a big big part of the story. That's told
Someone should tap challenge that and what they should do is they should make some sort of a proposition banning shrimp. You know like
like have like these big signs in front of red lobster.
The genesis like whatever, whatever the quote
in the Bible that says here, because there's four times as many references to shellfish as there is to gay people is like
like a lot of references to like that you're not supposed to eat shrimp.
But you can go to an all, unique buffet and people right after church. That's really out right, so I don't know how we allow it. You right. You said you know, this needs to be stopped, it's bad, but they can't that, for whatever reason the gay thing like really locked on the people,
Are they really got into it? They really got into it,
for whatever reason you know the gate,
the decision. The decision to stop gay marriage seemed to be like one that Jesus
this is really serious about that shrimp
and Pikachu,
let's get tattooed how many religious people have crosses tattooed on their body. I mean this fucking,
frankly, is that in the I didn't know that I'm Jeff Tattoos, no yeah that sound upon yeah you're, not supposed to market itself. Okay notes was tied to yourself. That's that's against God's wish, but
people will tattoo themselves with biblical verses, which is you know, Polaris yeah, well, people
weird, you know and my point
I was trying to make
find clumsily earlier was that it's
kind of strange.
That we are so varied, and it's kind of strange that everyone does get like
If there's three of us in a room, we know we have to offer all side, and if one of us
retarded,
literally, but are people with down syndrome or people that are anyone? That is,
mentally compromise, or they allowed to vote, I mean. Is there some sort of a test
if you hide that, I don't know what the rules are. I think in and
in Britain? It was something to do with. I
but the only thing was a few in jails. I can't remember well if you're a felon in America is never let you recover, we don't
Let you recover from that. So if you're a felon, you don't get to vote like yeah, you fucked up too much what you never can know. I don't believe so,
preacher felons don't get to vote because Joey Diaz always talks about that. Don't get to about. I know they can't carry
yeah state felon voting laws. Yes, it looks like it's different in every state
states allow felons to vote from prison while other states may permanently prevent felons from voting even after being released.
So it's different varies from state to state amazing permanently, prevent yeah.
They lose they vote. They cannot vote permanently in eleven states,
Alabama, Arizona, Delaware, Florida,
Iowa, Kentucky Mister
B, no
Voda, Tennessee Co. Incidentally,
all places I would never fucking live how weird
haha yeah you're worried about the rules. I think the um
that is amazing to me that there's literally
This assumption that there's no chance you get on to get back
turn around never makes an American make a felony when you're eighteen, like some stupid thing, he go to jail.
Come out and become like the best person ever and there
never going to. Let you I mean that's ridiculous. I mean the whole point of what you,
when do with
the criminal justice system and so on is to try and exact
you rehabilitate people, so they don't offend again. I mean that's and then try and get people to that
yeah. I think people are just so tired of people just fucking up that they, like you,
I want this is a good way to keep fuck ops. From voting like once, like the idea that we were talking about earlier, that you know, a person could be a racist, a person could be acomp,
delete, nutter and still vote along
I'm with a person, who's really kind and educated their vote counts equally there in a community that
as soon as that, nutter Rob
something that goes. It's a good way to cut amount of system, alright, fuck that guy, you can't vote anymore, yeah, which I cast
kinda makes sense, but
maybe just a numbers thing. If there's ten people on an island, we would have to rehabilitate the guys, told the coconuts we have to say come on man. It can't be stealing everybody. Coconuts is a fucked up way to live your life and should contribute stops.
Fish stopped stealing coconuts getting together and they would let that guy
yeah. I think that, simply by the way, so that I think is incredibly important point about about Democracy Jenner,
the closer is to
real community. Where everyone knows each other right, where the decisions are made kind of by people who can look the other person in the eye and all that I think they
to be better. I think one of the problems is that you've got these big
systems and there there
they're kind of really far from the human level, where that kind of trust can be a
published, and that is one of the problems with allow
of things in government and politics. It's all just too big and rich
from the human scale. Well, that's a
home with a lot of things when it comes to human beings, just diffusion of responsibility that comes with being uh
sort of a massive group like war, the id
so that if there's three hundred million of us and a million of us are overseas, you know fighting for freedom. That's sort of like you
deal with that because it's not happening in Calabasas. You know you try you go to work and you could deal with your life and in your, the scope of your world doesn't come up, but you can
peripherally aware that this is
happening somewhere else, but if
pull in Van Nuys we're going to war with people in studio city- and it was uh
couple miles away and you had to deal with that- then it would be
something we would have to try to calm down. We have to try to deal with this like what the fucks going
down here like what are we doing here? We have to
something you have to deal with, but
the sheer number of human beings that are involved in the world today in communities and cultures- it's just
it's almost unmanageable, it's an unmanageable for a person who is not designed for that were designed essentially to deal with our immediate atmosphere or does
to deal with small tribes of people, friends, family, the peep.
You know the people that you keep close and when you get
Ask that it's just like almost like what do I don't know what to do with this, and so we pass the buck off.
Some represent. I think this is such an important point. I really do believe that I think that so many things don't work because they get
Away from the point where you can really know the other person, the all the group that you're with there's some guy in in England
Cambridge University
about the maximum number of people that you can really have any kind
end of human relationship with anyone time. I think he got to number one hundred and fifty Dunbar's number is. That is that right, so yeah more about it than I do. I thought that was just a really interesting perspective on it, which is, which is that
after that, it just gets to diffuse, were not does
before it's like your phone, your phone,
there's only has a certain amount of data that old, fucking goofy
little phone. You carry around with you. If you
I have an older one like when those Motorola Startac's, you know, remember those from back in the day big parking, goofy clunky thing. I mean that Prob.
We only carry one hundred phone numbers, I mean I don't know how many they add, but the amount
of data that you can store new devices represents the need that we have, but we have these
same biological hard drives. That caveman,
I said I mean they're, not really much different than people that lived a million years ago mean how much
has it changed. I mean how many, how much more room do we have for social relationships? Apparently, not much like
fifty thousand years ago- and today, if you cook a guy who lived fifty thousand years ago and a guy who lived today and you compare the brains, how
Who are they very? You could take a
fifty thousand year old man, dress him up and clue
tools and set him down in a movie theater and you'd walk right by him. You wouldn't even know when you're sitting in your seat, you wouldn't go holy shit, that's a fucking caveman! I mean the guy.
You look very remarkably similar to how you look and I look and how normal folks look today yeah
are not designed for this world that we've created and it's popped up. So damn quick, yeah exactly it's really. The last kind of definitely
one hundred years, but you know, and it's just getting faster and faster. You know this kind of everything
becoming really kind of organ.
Is this sort of inhuman level in this
add struggle to sort of organize it? And
I too,
control it and just just
comment down, get a handle on the effects of it, and I,
I think, in a lot of ways, that's what you're doing with this crowd pack thing with this crowd.
Thing is,
You are utilizing these tools, these tools of the internet in this instant access to information that we have today to sort of a
stab lish, a much clear sense of where political candidates are
from and what are their influences as far as who is financing them, where it is, do you know where is their money coming from where their decisions headed towards what? What are they? What are they doing right now? Yeah, I think that's
that's a really good some of it, which is that, basically, we think that when
you talk to people about politics, one of the things they say is that we just don't know enough about it. We don't know enough
information generally, but we don't know we don't have information. We can trust. We have all
spin and ads and all the rest of it from the politicians. We can't really believe them. There's all
stuff around on the internet, I don't know what to believe. So. What we're trying to do is
people really objective
information that they can rely on to figure out.
The politicians are on the
is that they care about, and the thing that we found from our research is. That is my
one of my co founders, Adam, who is a professor at Stanford's,
I'm working on this for many years and
Basically, what he's shown is that the best way to predict
what a politician will do if they are elected is to look at where
to get their money and
look. It was I who they give money to his most politicians. Also. Could have done
are the candidates. If you look at all that campaign,
finance information, the man
behind this politician
is going to give you the best guide to what they
really going to do in office.
And it's something that you can actually what, which one is like turn that into really
Simple
information that you can
without kind of reading tons of stuff and doing loads of research. You can get a quick snapshot of who these people are,
and then in time. The other thing we want to do is make it possible for you to find the politicians
the a really good or
add on the issues that you care about
and get involved in their campaigns, because the other thing is that you've got a tiny, tiny number of people who are funding all these
campaigns. If you look at the total number of people who put money into politics,
really small number compared to the number of people who vote and then the number of adults in the whole country that tiny number,
the funding at all, and even within that most of the money comes from an e,
the smaller number and
they are paying for all of this and they're getting the
comes that they pay for it,
the transaction and that's why
really crazy, and so
people say right, you go
get money out of politics just going to get it out and
really. That is something that has a lot of appeal. You can see why you would want to do that. There's a print guy called Larry Lessig. I don't know if you come across
he's been doing and he's been arguing about this for years and he's been saying: he's a ha
but Harvard is a brilliant campaign on this issue of money in politics and he's been saying if you think,
any problem in
America today, whatever the issue is that you care about? If that's game,
marriage or the environment doesn't matter what it is you're not going
getting anywhere of
in terms of solving that problem. Unless you deal with the first problem, which is the money
because the money in politics stops the proper solutions from being developed, because what it means is that you've got
special interests who had weather that left or right this matter with his big businesses or union, doesn't matter they want that for
an outcome and that
get through the system. So we've got
get the money out and he
got a campaign around that and he wants
public funding for elections and so on, and all that is kind of
a noble aim. I guess, but my feeling is that
that's a really hard sell, because you got
constitution that says it's free speech
allowed to give money to to
politicians, and we can't just kind of stop that you
let people donate to politicians and so are,
that is to say well, if you can't take
money out, that's at least dilute the
influence of the people there right now by letting more people making it easier for more people to get involved and
give money to these candidates. So they are not dependent on these big donors.
With that particular interests and that's really what we're trying to do is kind of
make it easier for people to get involved in politics. So
they can really gay
these politicians off this hook, their own, which is that dependance on these donors for their campaign spending, which means that once they are elected,
it's kind of inevitable that they pay attention to them rather than the people who elected them. In that one, a lot of ways, it mirrors the influence that the internet has had on the news itself because,
as the news used to be distributed only through these proper channels, whether it was NBC Cbs and then you know the cable news, networks, CNN Fox and all this jazz. But now it's
become this thing where websites develop Huffington pose all these. The young Turks, which is an internet based news, show, and they have
no censorship. They have no restrictions, they have no influence other than the ones that they choose to accept or the ideas that they break
and they have the same amount of distribution that everybody else does, and
you can have a website just
MIKE's mikes dot com and put it up
if enough, people find it valid and interesting. He
I have a million hits a day unique visits a day and it
might be more than CNN gets an
just simply because of the fact that it's good information, it's what you've shown that with this I mean you know you reaching more people, then
the most of these. I think all of these news sites for ten
half million a month like more than
just about anything else. You know so it's crazy is exponentially. Doubling and tripling, and and and what what's happening is it's all day be being done?
No promotion mean promotion is like is I let people know Hey Steve Hilton's on today and then just
so yeah I mean that Mister excited to hear that from twitter and just spreading the word. But what I was getting at is that,
like the same way, the internet has sort of interfered with the distribution of information. Look at what's going,
done with this Edward Snowden case is a perfect example. This massive change in the way the entire country looks at
the NSA and govern
spying was done by one man leaking information to one guy in one
in source which spread through the internet and then boom
it blossoms this huge new story that was essentially if he had sent that same story through the proper channels selected New York Times or CNN, they would have no
the fuck out of it. They would have figured out a way to cover that thing and throw it under the rug and stable that rug down and light it on fire. I mean what he
did was
figure out a way to distribute things for this through this new channel and
essentially that's what the internet is doing with with voting
before some
like the internet came along, it was very difficult to find out who the influences of all these different individual candidates were with something like
crowd pack, it becomes
much more easy and that also will change the way
these people interact with yeah. I think so, and you know I really hope that that is. You know we just
the start of it. To be honest, I think the the
little world is really late for this kind of change. Compare
is, like you say, with media and other things and things that we experience every day in our lives, like you know, like travel and
can do you know that they used to be it in a time when
you need to get an airline ticket, you lateral physically, go to some show
off and then have these like weird paper to you know the whole thing just feels so antiquated, and now it's uh
simpler is really like you saying it's you've got the power to do it
empowered. Now you get it on
phone, you have a ticket and that's
phone over the scanner thing. That hasn't really happened to politics yet, but that is what we're trying to do because and others as well. It's not just us, but you know, I think that we've got
something interesting here, which is this way
of giving people objective information about the candidates based on who gives them money, but
but overall, we're part of this movement of trying to really put
or in peoples hands through technology
and I'm sure it's going to happen, I'm really sure, because people one
you know they are sick of just feeling that they don't get any
response in these people over here, control everything and
nothing ever really changes and actually
politicians themselves. In my experience,
you know you think. Well, maybe I would say,
because I used to work in
is myself for the Prime Minister in the UK, so I can know them they they
used to be my world
to be my world. My feel
is that, generally the politicians, actually hate,
is just as much as everyone else. They hate the fact that they have
spend so much time raising money you know.
Actually there is this document that was leaked uh,
the New York Times. I think awhile back from the Demak
Cratic leadership in Congress, where they would
gave a kind of guide to the newly elected members of Congress about how they
should spend their time, and it was
a recommendation to the newly
elected members of Congress and it went through
how many hours a day they should spend on different types of activity. You know
thinking about Polisy talking to constituents this coming,
half of the time is four hours was recommend
they spend on fundraising while right and so the people
going to plus they don't want to live like that. They actually hate it. They hate, you know, be
we shoved in a room with is what happens and being they call it
billing for dollars. You know like this literally sitting on the phone trying to raise my
that's, not why they went into politics. How do they do that? They just call random people up or do they have the rest of potential? Don't give? I don't know exactly, have it done it, but I think they that
literally at their given lists likely people to then it is, do do
Dee, Dee hi. I am running for Congress in the thirty third district and I would I'd like to get gay marriage the out of here. What do you think? I think it's IBM,
pretty much like that. I don't know you can talk to some people who know more about it, but uh, you know
so I think actually that
politicians themselves mostly. I hate the system, and so I think the
in a lot of there's a lot of effort actually in Congress to try and encourage more some
all donors, and make it easier for people to give money, because actually that's what they want to they don't like being
golden to these big donors and
companies- and you know they don't like it anymore than we like it. I think all
similarly, the idea of leaders, whether it's a presidential leaders or whether it's a representatives, I think
ultimately that's going to go away and my thought about it is that
anybody who really wants to lead everyone else is probably an asshole. You know I mean anybody really wants to be the king like. Why do you want to be the king like? Don't you have
things to do? It only have hobbies and creative pursue,
and like what would you want to just be the guy
who gets to control, be the one who stands at the podium, lady
and gentlemen? You know, that's that's a week.
Ego thing yeah. I think that in two thousand,
in fourteen in the world that we live in today, where we're seeing this,
more even distribution of influence, I think
but ultimately that's going to be one of those things that gets called into question like. Why do we have an alpha representative? Why do we have to have this head monkey in charge?
You really agree with that. I mean a lot of the things that I was trying to do when
in the government, in the U K and and and it's kind of part of what we doing the crap thank is is to you know, try and
courage that even distribution, that more even distribution of town redistribute power from the key,
the traditional source,
the power is going to central leadership, imputing, putting power people's hands, so that
can control more and more aspects of their life because in the end, they'll make better decisions overall, and it's also just bad
healthy, I think going back to what we're saying earlier about the way
people can only no small number of people and and if you give them power to
shape more of the things that happened in their lives. I think that actually they will take more responsibility. They will be more responsible in a community,
says you'll, just see everything get better. If you
power out of the hands of sort of
need, leaders and central organizations and put it in the hands of people definite,
I think I think you're right. I think, there's also an issue of it being overwhelming the amount of information that you have to absorb whenever you deal with political issues, whenever you deal with
campaigns whenever you deal with new elections, you know,
given this pamphlet of different people and the different
propositions that are up for vote and you just get overwhelmed yeah, especially if you're. If you have a job,
taxing as it is, and you have a family and you know
thinking about golfing on the weekend. God like to go golfing and you look at all this bullshit and like oh, I can't even pay attention, as is every
ok right now, yes will fucking. Let me just get this over with and, let's hope everything stays. Ok and very few people take
sponse ability for what gets voted in yeah and it is
you're right though it is really talk.
It's it's hot, it's easy to say are
voters are lazy or whatever they should be. Pretty honestly, like you say, they've got real lives to live, and then we got time
and for all this stuff, and that is a really big part of why we want to make it simple. You know we are assuming that people
wanna, spend less time doing this
no more time and I think a lot of the kind of
when I say shins and people that I've tried to get people. You know immobilized in a civic organization in the contest in that kind of thing, you know, is a
He's worked a certain extent with some people, but for the majority of people they just don't want to do it. They they can't do it. Actually they literally too busy with things that are
their priorities like their kids in their family and their job or whatever. It may be hobbies dozen
stuff that they choose to do and that's fine
and that's their life, and we shouldn't kind of require that you have to spend
age is figuring out this
medical stuff and that's. Why we're trying to make it really simple for people but based on quite a lot of comp
That's what technology allows you to do. You can take quite a lot of complex
data and information like we doing with the campaign finance records, where it's literally hundreds of millions of pieces,
some information and we're boiling it down.
Into one piece of info,
which is a school like weary
this candidate
on the scale of liberal, to conservative, whether they said
and where are they on each issue? That's what we trying
to make it really simple?
Isn't it sort of analogous in a way to we're talking about about the amount of people that you can keep in your brain they had on the bar summer? Yeah? Is that if you lived in a small tribe if safe, we all live fifty of us together in some small village somewhere,
we really wouldn't have votes about gay marriage, and we really wouldn't have calls about exactly. This is be a million different things that would never be up for vote and if someone really did start micromanaging everyone's lives, you be be like hey, you know MIKE is an. We got a kick him out of his tribes, guys trying to get people to wear purple, and you know where certain nineties there and different moon cycles and make tribal rules and rituals and make all
these things standard, and you know, for whatever reason he doesn't like men sleeping with men. Like he's, got some weird thing. You know he believes it apart. So true, I just so agree with that. One of my favorite things that uh
one of these experiments that happened was in HOLLAND and think I've got that right in
in in Europe, and they did this brilliant experiment with traffic where they
town. I think it was friesland or something like that probably got that wrong, where they
actually took away all the traffic signals, all of them everything they took away traffic lights. They
they even took it, stop signs everything, even though the markings on the road, so they took away the white line in the middle of the road everything all gone and
their theory was that without
that kind of
sternal rule making and kind of stuff go,
I want to tell you what to do. People would have to kind of
to each other, as other people,
just figure it out amongst themselves, so they would have
Since I've looked other people in the eye and sort of work it out,
between them and they found they had this brilliant effect, which was that acts.
It fell to zero. The traffic improved that
fix speed was lower, but the traffic flow was
much better. It would just
worked all run all the kind of things that you try and do
and all these people think about traffic planning and whatever they are,
but all those aims by literally taking everything away and just allowing
people to relate to each other as humans and
make. I thought such a great
story, and I think that you could do that.
In all sorts of areas. If you just leave it to people to figure out on a small scale where they can relate
each other.
Much better result. Isn't that the
she, though the small scale, I think we're dealing with I drove here.
Ok, I live about twenty minutes from here an in the drive from my house to hear
didn't know anybody. I don't know any
it's people they might not even be real. They might be robots that were sent from the government to pretend the NSA Oak and that's on the daily was maybe not even the.
I don't know them. You know so. There's
there's that issue. Where is everyone in Friesland or whatever the fuck that place? Those in HOLLAND, those those people probably all know each other. You know
Small area, there's not a lot when you get to some weird number like that.
Twenty million people that are live in the greater LOS Angeles area. That's too crazy!
it's too! It's too naughty an there's, nothing less human than a light. A stoplight red means
Stop green means go, wait! Look at it! It's green! Go
it's so disconnected from human interaction, and without it we become crippled, there's
no better chance that you're going to run into a traffic stop or a traffic jam. Then, if a cop is directing, if there's a cop it standing there telling you people go for the new people, stop for sure that guys fucking that intersection up sideways every time. I go into one of those situations where the light is down and there's a cop standing there. It's a fucking disaster, whereas if it was just a light, it just red light, green light, everything seems to work 'cause, we're sort of program to wait for that light robots you just yeah, you can follow that cop. Is there like? Oh this, mother, fucker, look at no wonder this thing is a mess. It's a person out there telling us when we can go fuck him who is he is ask,
Wolf that Falk telling me when to go. You know in this. This weirdness involve
and all of a sudden there's a human element, that's been thrown into our robot light thing:
and then there's a you know this cam
that they're putting on them for a while, which were hilarious on the actual cops. No, no, no! No on the lights, because they're doing that too, I think on the cob yeah yeah they should. They should do that on all cops, because they do that on all cops. Everything a cop does all throughout the day should be recorded and it should be on tamper, pull that they shot.
That I genuinely think that's what they're trying to do so much abuse. It's just massive amounts of abuse when it comes to police officers
I think there's a lot of great cops out there. It is not that I don't believe in law enforcement, but I believe many of 'em are abusive. Fox and many of 'em are psychologically unable to deal with the demands of an incredibly stressful life yeah. It is
I completely agree with the way you put it that there's tons of them that are great, and then there are others that totally of
is that position and that's another really interesting example of how technology can be really helpful
in in a way we can you can you can have the. I think I thought
I try to do in here. The LAPD that, if you put the cameras on and you can't
mess around with them. That's a real,
powerful incentive, huge to behave right complain,
have dropped dramatically and they
drop dramatically, 'cause cops can't be can't anymore. I mean it's really that simple.
It really is that simple? What
talking about was that traffic traffic lights. They were having lights like if you were going through the light as it was yellow and it turned red they would flash. So if you-
those were not you know it was that they were in front of the line you had made a cross for for the light turned red. They will give you a ticket and it, but it
it turned out to be a private company that was actually proud
getting from these tickets and so
dean that unconstitutionally real removed all those lights. But people were just in a God, damn uproar, it was just it madness everywhere you go there taking long, he see full flashes, going off at traffic lights,
and all was his revenue. It was
preventing people from running lights or preventing people from you know God
when the light turns yellow. It was just just fucking people out of their money,
and it was just one more thing where they complicate this system for the add one more element that makes it one more thing. You have to think about one more
little piece of control and one,
dehumanizing aspect people.
Like freedom and one of the reasons why people like freedom is because freedom isn't just the freedom to do as you wish. It's the
him to not have to think about a bunch of other shit and be influenced by a bunch of other shit. That takes your time away and takes you
your enerji away and I think
that's where we're at when it comes to a lot of these propositions and a lot of these really uber.
Complicated things that are involved in our day to day lives. It's like we've
complicated ourselves to this point of almost of no return and where there's very few,
very few alternatives.
I think that the thing that happens then is that they complicated it. Then it
not working and is all we could better, try and fix it, and then the fixing
It makes it even more complicated and
just get in there and then a new government comes in or a new governor or whoever it may be an Insta,
actually just stopping the game. You know what this, what we just got to rethink the whole thing and start from scratch and
it's not tinker with it anymore and try and improve it, because it's just going to make it more complicated. That never happens.
There's, never enough time. For that to happen, they're not there they're, only thinking about the next couple of years in the next election or whatever, and so things just get
I'm even more complicated
and they never. They never seem to get to that point weapon in
and that's really working great now my wife and I
this restaurant in the night and the the the restaurant was this- that we were noticing that there's a scene that's going on and a lot of restaurants where they have like this raw
rustic thing going on where they have old school lights, the filament cinnamon. Then they have hardwood
tables and wrought iron. This and metal that and and
but I think people are sort of reacting to this
fabricated world that we've created- and we long for this simplicity- that's why
These shows, like these
Alaska shows, were people living on the
and tear and their fucking collecting
wooden fighting off wolves. It's
We almost long for that simplicity above this world
that we've complicated to this almost unmanageable point yeah.
It's definitely true, and you see in
in so many areas that I mean is it like food is a is a great example was doing all this kind of stuff about. We can eat food and seasonal and local and grow in your
button in that whole movement, I think, is a reaction. I mean, if you think, about food,
years ago, like in the 50s.
I think you know it was all about um
let's have another kind of tv dinners, not package food, and all this kind of industrialized food
it was then seen as better be
is. It was science,
fake and hygienic, and like really kind of good for you and then people that now just thinking that is just really horrible. This is all the chemicals is disgusting. Now the movement is all for this kind of low
call organic food. It made me laugh, though, because
my family from Hungary,
and so when I was a kid we used to go back to hungry the whole time. It was a communist country
and there were no food stores and loads of choice and everything and you would go in the store, and it was just you know what you got
it's just a few sort of vegetables, and it was just very basic now
but the other day,
walking around in San Francisco and there's the kind of farmers market thing going on, and they had that kind of
vegetables and whatever put out there and it just
looked exactly like hunger, hungarian communist food shop, but here in San Francisco, is the most expensive fancy amazing food that you can get, but
just makes me laugh really. I think a lot of it is just you know. You know
action to what's gone before and we
I think you're totally right in this kind of sense of just
too far the whole.
Industrialization of so many different aspects of our lives was also we're starting to realize where people live in cities and they look
around and they see all these buildings and they see this asphalt and they see these telephone poles and they go
there's no food here
to bring in the food like this is kind of crazy like and then you get on top of a building. You look around at how far the no food here area is. It's pretty God, damn big,
and then you look at all the different people that live in the no food here area that require food. You like fuck,
gotta feed these fucking people, and then you go where
this water coming from and then you know it comes from Colorado. What's
the water comes from fucking what it comes for the Colorado River. Oh, no, so the only way we get water in California is. We have to take it from thousands of way thousands of miles away. That's the this is a crazy.
To be like
During his unsustainable environment, an
new people move here everyday,
new one thousand people every day, bump bump am set up. A fucking house built this another structure boom and then we slowly push out are,
no food here area deeper and deeper into the desert. Ann
you know, no one is thinking about where this goes and so far so good sustainable go to the farmers market. You can get plenty good groceries, but very bizarre
if there's somehow or another, some cut off of our oil supply. Some
some way where we can't travel as easily anymore we're in a real rut, so not a good spot. It's not ideally
in every neighborhood should have like a couple of acre
where it's set up where you grow food, yeah like that, will community garden. I just totally grew that there's a there's, a brilliant guy, don't you
Crossing Guard Nassim Taleb. He wrote this book for the black swan and he's
who's really he's a
petition and he was in the financial markets and, and he
really kind of predicted the crash and understood all that and he's just great and
of his big points is that these big Sis
terms that we've ended up with
and the word he uses are that completely fragile. There re
they look big and
solid, but actually we soda
pendant on them that they,
makes us really fragile if they collapse will fall over whatever, whether that's a company or some government system. We re
he screwed, because that
so dependant and that's real.
We're kind of fragile situation, and so that
It's definitely one that there is a sort of love. What he writes about and talks about. Is that he's a
for exactly that kind of thing. You know making sure that companies don't get
You big to fail, not just in the financial sector. Lot of people have talked about that with the banks. There's two big dick
and argument, but in every area with the food
system and other,
so businesses where we're so dependent, if something went wrong, we you know we couldn't cope
and when you have small distrib
it is just like were talking earlier about the power being distributed is not just voting
there are political parrots economic power in social path.
Every type of power. It's just going to be much
better for us if it's distributed more broad
and we're a long way from that, it's actually going in the other direction.
Yeah, it's going the other direction. An very few cities are Domini,
bring in population and less something horribly wrong like Detroit. Where, if
have you ever been to Detroit, have not it's fascinating,
while you're over here in America and you're enjoying our fine country, you should go see our biggest disaster. Detroit at one
point in time was this economic stronghold for America? It's where we
Camaros and corvettes and fight
birds, and it was
this place where it was where America built and what it built best, which is besides buildings. It's cars, America built cars and
it all fucking fell apart. It fell apart when they started moving jobs to Mexico and all in other countries. It felt
part when they started producing shittier and shittier cars and when there is all
or complications with unions and
whether this is one million different problems and then slowly but surely they started diminishing these leaf
factories and there's a really in
listing documentary. I don't know if you watch Michael Moore's, first documentary Roger and me did you receive them.
Roger me was all about. Flint MI was about his hometown where they closed
these plants and then these p
went into immediate massive poverty and it was a huge, huge issue, an if you go to
Detroit today. You could buy a house for five hundred dollars and I'm not bullshitting. They had
houses for sale. I was there five hundred bucks and it's a mess,
a real mess. I mean there's an error.
Were they trying to gentrify these areas and are building local businesses and they're. Trying to you know, encourage growth,
and you know- I mean if a company wanted to move there, they have a massive amount of people that are looking for jobs and cheap land, and it's a good idea. It's a good place to start, but very, very difficult to encourage people to do so so
Detroit shows how easy things could fall apart and there's been a bunch of blogs that have been created where they've webs
it's, where they've shown how these
trees and nature or taking over these areas that used to be populated with trees. Are all those pictures yeah? It's amazing. I remember that now yeah bear
the interest. Tears are moving into these areas that used to be at least to have towns.
And bears are slowly started moving their way into Detroit and it's fucking crazy nights. Yeah, but that's show
you how easily it could all fall apart, whereas you know fifty
sixty years ago here some image we just put up. Is it tree
It is growing
inside of this abandoned building it just growing
through the floor and eventually they'll make their
through the roof and the roof will rotten?
Just shows you how easy it is for nature to
claim
there is a human beings feel like if well, this is a city. Now now it's
the before now
it's not a city! Now it's not permanently a city like this trees, just
go to the airport drive down. There's
areas where it's really old roads in these trees have grown up
through the sidewalks, so bad that the sidewalks are. You know you can't walk on him. I mean they're like ramps 'cause. The tree has slowly but surely lifted up the concrete of the sidewalk as trying to Rico
name. This area they put this stupid
Rock paste over yeah. You know, I think, that's like
one of the best examples of how easy it could all fall apart, and I guess that point about being dependent on something yeah.
But it's interesting because you are a lot of
of going around other in getting to know other american cities. I mean I mean that's a bad example. You've got some really great cities
seems to be driving and working images, really cool places to deliver
work. I love Chicago either is an amazing place, rent out, but then you've got a huge problem with with
it's just so interesting how you have
a city that is so great in so many ways and that then they've got this. This sort of pocket of
poverty and crime and
that's been going on for years and despite all the other advantages, and they got a lot of great economic growth going on there and so on
people visiting and it's great, but they still go
put this in trench problem with crime and gun violence, and you know it's
it's interesting. How.
How long it takes for some of these problems to be worked out? Yeah Chicago is a disaster. In that sense, it's a great city, but it's also a disaster in the sense of crime and gang violence, and
I was there. I was talking to this. Guy was a cop and he's explaining it to me that a big problem is the drug trade and that,
certain gang members were incarcerated and because
incarcerated they created a vacuum that was, there was a power struggle to try to fill the vacuum that path.
Our struggle started, this sort of violent war going on between all these different criminal factions, and then you know it builds up an you know.
He was really kind of interesting, interesting. She was talking about it goes. You know what the best way to fix it,
he goes legalize drugs. He goes nobody wants to hear about it, but the reason why they're, making all this money
because they're selling something that's illegal,
and so, when you're selling something that's illegal, the only people that are doing that are the people that are criminals.
And he goes as soon as you make it legal. You could deal with a personal choice issue and the guy was like very rational about it and it was like you deal with a personal choice issue instead of a crime issue, but
That's exactly right, I think, is one of the more
interesting ways into that. Whole drug legalization argument is to think about the social,
problems that come from the current rules, not not just a lot of times. People too,
about the drug use. Being the social problem, but actually it's everything that comes from it, the crime
in the gangs and that's uh,
did you know that the most intelligent argument, full legalization
yeah? There was a real, interesting article recently about Mexico. They were talking about the cartels like hemorrhaging money because
they relied on. Marijuana trade and now with legal marijuana, has just the legal marijuana in Colorado and,
and in Washington State, and then all the medical places have
massively diminished the amount of influence
these guys have of the amount of wealth that they can get from
selling illegal drugs, because people don't need it anymore super easy to get so
with the marijuana trade, which is one of the most common drugs kind of drying up for them and
so they're scrambling to try to find some other avenues of revenue, so
the interesting stuff 'cause, it's just
Those people like this is what you do when you make things illegal and we
I figured it out in the 1920s with prohibition. I mean it's amazing that people are so
goofy today that they still or dealing with the same issue that they kind of resolved in the 1920s you almost one hundred years ago, they
figure this out with alcohol, and they have to re, learn the same lesson with with cannabis. It's just it's nutty.
It's again it's another thing where it's words,
small issue, where you have.
Too many God Damn laws. You have too many restrictions on percents exactly right and it's interesting. I think that the politicians have been
not for a long time from doing anything about it by the kind of real.
And they'll think they'll get from certain parts of the press and so on.
Actually, I think that's changing, and it's changing really quickly here in America and the fact that you've got these
The measures that are winning in different states and that's just going to accelerate, I think, not just that the amount of revenue they pull in with no resistance whatsoever. Colorado has thirty nine percent tax revenue on marijuana that sold recreationally thirty nine percent and everyone. There is like ok, thirty, nine,
that's cool
no one's arguing over the most preposterous sales rate. Ever that is thirty. Nine percent is fucking crazy. It's basically the government is a drug dealer. I mean
that's what it is I mean so you're not just taking taxes, you're fucking, a partner, you're, a partner in this thirty nine percent is a big partner, your it almost
forty percent, okay and then
they're making over one hundred million dollars a year in tax revenue; Justin,
Colorado so
that kind of money starts coming in then that money has influence,
and then they have to respect the pot dollar because the
hot dollar is going to be a lobby just like anything else, just like the pharmaceutical lobby, just like the
natural resource lobby, just like anything else, the pot lobby, is going to be legit. Now because there's a
we have tremendous amount of revenue available, an big business there there's a big businesses that are moving into Colorado right now.
Establishing warehouse warehouse spaces in Colorado are just there of
operating, they're, disappearing, left and right. 'cause people just picking him up there. The
great Colorado's laws are set up in order to sell marijuana, you have to grow marijuana,
if you wanted to open up a shop in Colorado, you'd have to grow your own stuff and then sell it. You can't buy it from
Nelson and selling. Just
giant, warehouses everywhere, being scooped up and they're setting up these massive growshops and then they're funneling that money, because it's being sold legally the funneling that money right back in this state at a rate of thirty nine percent, it's
crazy and he
huge companies are slowly but surely creeping their way to
is Colorado because they realize this is. This is uh
multi billion dollar industry in just a couple of years, you're looking at
three four five years from now, among
time billion dollar industry nationwide places where they're having serious money, be issues serious problems with generating tax revenue, all of the sudden, all the prof,
so they're, going to illegal sales of marijuana. Now thirty nine percent of that money is
you, come right to the taxpayers, a right to the tax collectors and if they got any, I guess it's a bit early, but I just wondering what the,
but there saying, in terms of
whose behavior, the usage lower crowd. The other truck is that right, lower crime and lower murder rates, murder rates have dropped in Denver, yeah
course there hi there,
They did not give it to us we're going to think twice, they're going to think about need a sheet that too it has an asshole, but whatever it's his problem, you know, look it's
it's never good to suppress people and when you have something that's irrational,
marijuana laws there. It gives people this
feeling of frustration. Does this disconnect it go
this feeling of being disenfranchised with the the people
they are supposedly in charge? You know
make some upset like: why should a grown man be able to
there's? Only two of us were living on an island, and I
like Steve. I don't think you should smoke pot. If you smoke pot, I'm gonna lock you in a fucking cage. You build
you're an asshole like there's only what do you give a shit? What I do it's, when
there's two million of us that you feel like you can get away with something like that that someone come along and say I'm the sheriff, and if I find someone smoking marijuana in my district, I'm going to put him under lock and key
my guards treats safe for the children, all that stupid
shit that they say well, what it's just too many numbers too many people, but what I'm interested in is like just coming to
I've been here two years now, but I don't get it
feeling that that is a really quite
almost mainstream position. A lot of people feel like that in america- maybe it's a California thing. I don't know, but then I'm interested, why the liberty,
arian movement. You know the political expression of that kind of attitude is libertarian part
the the candidates, they don't see,
to get anywhere. They don't seem to do well, even though that kind of attitude
feels to me, like it's really very kind of
true to the american approach to
Is an is shared by a lot of people? I kind of hear that a lot I think,
it's slowly but surely starting to gain momentum, but I think the internet's influence is barely barely two decades.
One thousand nine hundred and ninety four to twenty fourteen right. That's the realistic, take on it.
But the real impact. As far as like social impact, I would, I would say it's probably a decade so
Ten years is not that much time and
in that decade, how much of it has been concentrated on social change
and how much of his big concentrated on porn. You know how much is concentrator look. We can see tits anytime. We want now woo and
new found freedom, this newfound ability to access information. It's going to take awhile before I think people
are evolving right now. I really do
socially. At a rate, that's just unheard of
never did the kind of movements that you're seeing now, whether you
move them or not whether it
operation Wall Street or whether it's anytime there's a social change or social movement in this country. Whether
I agree with it or not. It's fascinating this step back and watch
this swarm of activity that takes
because of any issue that comes up now, that really couldn't couldn't happen before with
you know, you have to have like a physical meeting, you'd have to have, people would get together, and so we have to have a megaphone and well we're. Now
you do is take back, the streets will win
to do is make the world safe for our children and we need to get out of Vietnam yeah.
You know, and then you know the cops come and BR
map, but hoes everybody down, and they would shut down the problem,
but you can't do that anymore. You can't shut down the problems. 'cause, the problem exists on Reddit. The problem exists on millions of people's twitter accounts. Are there posting things that probably exists on Facebook? The problem exists anytime.
There is dissent that dissent sort of
encapsulates
an entire group of people that share these ideas and they can freely communicate, and I think they're just
starting to realize that they can freely communicate the way they can and
unfortunately, a lot of them are annoying.
Fortunately, a lot of people in a fit figure this out or annoying, and you see these really dumb ideas that spread like wildfire. Our from the house, fire to
idiots are behind it and it's that's fascinating to watch too, but
ultimately, when it all by
bounces itself, out we're going to deal with a much more informed, much more
educated, much more aware, much more socially conscious society than we have ever had in the past. I think
Kate from now to DEC two decades from now we're going to see the rewards of this, and I'm very optimistic. I like that. That way,
think about, and I agree, and I guess what we're the
the way we think about it is that that we want to come now. The next step really is to really take that
Energi and and really direct it into the heart of the political system, not kind of on the edges of it with
protests and in
and sort of social movements that really getting into the guts of the
of the way laws are made and and the and the way the
around the states around cities around and end
injecting into the into the real heart of power. I think that's going to be the next
Yes, I I agree. I hope that it can be done. I mean, I wonder if the way technology is advancing and the way technological innovation seems to exponentially increase,
if there's some way to manage things in a way, that's sort of not discovered yet or sort of hasn't been no
just figured out a way to sort of organize this whole thing in a way. That's
it's clear
and now we're deal it's almost like code like do you
for what code used to look like when used to use Dawson. If you use an old computer yet emptor, everything it command prompts. But then
someone came along. Like Xerox, figured out this graphic user interface, you just well. I don't fuck all that. Just see that thing just double it just press twice when you want to open up and boom and then
you see a graphic representation of what you want. That's a much more simplistic element:
You don't have to look at all the code behind what you're doing when you're using Microsoft word.
Not all that shit out. Let's just see, let's
make it real simple, and if we could get get it to that
politics like ok, what would make
what would we have to do to
make more money go towards school and
this money go towards war?
like? Is that is that away is zero way? We can work that out. If you look at,
how much money is being spent on the Iraq war? How much more
is being spent in Afghanistan is
way to take.
Eighty percent of that
put it into our schools, because, my God, the school system, would radically change our education.
System would radically change the amount of people that would come out of these educational systems that were
More balanced, more aware, had more nuanced perspectives. Would rat
we change our country would rattle
improve like over the course of a decade. If you could
just figure out a way to put that kind of power in peoples hands what they choose to do. Well, I think the way that you do
it comes back to what we're saying earlier, is actually
literally doing it bye, bye
getting rid of these kind of big organisations sent
government organizations that try and run the whole system from
some office somewhere, that's completely removed from the from the parents and the kids, that's actually using the schools
and really give responsibility for this through the way. This goes operate to Lok
communities so that they can try things out, because every kid in kit is different. They learn in different ways. One of an h feels to me like when it comes to
education. We got this approach, which is some
decided. You know this is the.
This is how we going to get kids
to learn whatever it may be, and we
to try and have a kind of common
location of that in every school and every
teach the same way and that's great, and I just think
the evidence shows that is not right. It doesn't work for every kid and you want.
I have a system where you know
you got much more ability to experiment,
try things out and adapt things to each each different type of
child in the way that they learn, and I think we need to see a lot
more kind of smaller schools where there much
on a community run a bit late, you staying with the gardening. I think it's sort of a community
approach to these things is going to be.
The way to do it. You definitely need the money, of course, to sort of have high quality as well. So I agree with that. It's just that
If you just put more money into the current system of
organizing schools, I don't think you'll get the kind of
benefit that you could, if you actually gave the power over the system and took it away from
people at the center and put it in the hands of people locally. That's how I would do an if they did that you could also see the results, positive and negative. An imitate. The positive ones directly could see like these. People have an approach and their approach is more sort of Waldorf School based, sunless, electronics and more would
toys and interacting with kids and look at the benefits like man. All these people are coming out so creative, but then there's
other place in San Francisco. That's much more tech volved everybody has an Ipad and all these kids well, there's a benefit there as well. I mean I think school
Is there a huge issue that the massive underfunding of education in this country is a huge huge issue and it's madness
and it's almost like.
Sort of ensuring that poverty and that this is going to think that's right and that I mean yeah and it at a lot of it is the kind of people that go into teaching. You know you really want the best people.
The smarter's best people going into teaching is like the most important job they get paid.
Twenty thousand dollars a year right and there is you're not going to get that if you're paying. Those kind of you know it's really kind of obvious. We apply that in in every other kind of area.
Kind of no the Hube. If you pay more, you get something better generally, and I think that that is a huge part of it is actually, if you know trying to get the best
People in the countries that have done really well uh. I think the um Finley
is a good example from I know, I'm you know, spend quality time. This was in the government. Finland is a place where it is the cult.
I think, if you really
admired and esteem thing to do and well rewarded, is to go and be a teacher. It's like one of the
best things you can do, and that's
I think of a lot of the scandinavian countries and they have better results, as you know, thanks to that, so you've got to just get the best people to go into teaching that
I'm really important in this country. The Prohib.
The cost of higher education is shocking. When you start
about how much money it cost to go to college, how much money it cost to get a degree and you
you accumulate student loans that are almost insurmountable. How many p
will get out of college in this country? It's amazing that the figures are just unbelievable. They earth so and react yeah just stunningly in debt, like I have a friend who
is in his 50s and just
paid off his his
his on his yes just paid off from medical school
this is fuckin insurmountable debt insurmountable debt forever
yeah, just slowly but surely chipping away at hundreds of thousands of dollars in educational debt.
It is really amazing. I mean I one of the things I'm doing right now is teaching at Stanford a little bit and, and it's just it was
it's ok, there's a kind of good point, which is that it seems
maybe that the students are so much more ha
not working and motivated than the ones that were certainly than I was not see university but uh. It was all free when we did it in the UK, and here
it's not anymore, but it was when I was at college, and here
and there paying so much of their parents, are paying so much, they take it really seriously and that's great but the
the amounts of money involved is just stagger.
Really unbelievable specially when you get to law, school or medical school, or you know any really expensive school like Stanford.
That's a very prestigious school. It's going to must be ridiculous. I mean how much does a kid have to pay a year to go to know because they have a lot of
They do a lot of great work to kind of make it possible for kids without,
I need to go so they do a lot of grants and scholarships, and I don't know how that all works out. Well, that's it! It's! It's uh
but it's a huge amount. Yeah,
that's nice and it's beautiful to hear that they do
moving along those lines- and it's also beautiful here that I believe it was Mit- has released all of studies online. You can take all of its classes online for free
essentially get an mit education through your home computer, very nice.
It's very nice that that and you
about the amount of access that people have
to higher education. Today, when it comes to online courses when it comes to just papers that they could read and download documents-
They can watch different things that they can read it kind of incredible yeah
and it's actually really powerful in-
well just think about America, but um people in
in the states who would have had that act.
But actually all of the world is this in nine Africa, where you
just able to bring
instruction, and you know the best people in the world the best teachers to
the most remote village in Africa is completely staggering
yeah, it is. It is interesting, and I've always had a fascination with the power
or that someone has in the position of being a professor an spell
professor with tenure where
they have this. You know this
the job that essentially it's very difficult to get fired from I mean you have to really do some,
really fucked up to lose your position an because
and that some of them and I've had friends that have had these professors saw
of them, get these incredibly arrogant attitudes and they push their
ideas as if their doctrine
and they push their own political ideas and their own ideology off.
Sometimes a very left wing liberal agenda to the point where it, just in
fury certain parents and infuriate
people who disagree with these ideas, who gets silence.
It's because you know it's the professors word, and that is
in my class. This is how I feel that is not education. I mean to
see the whole point is you should be
equipping the students to think for themselves and to kind of
it comes to their own point of view, but give
the tools that they can do that with and go out and then use that knowledge and ability to do
great things in the world not to kind of tell them your point of you mean.
So you can tell them your point of view but make clear that it is your point of view and there are other
interview and it's up to them to decide what they think yeah, but that
that humility, humility,
oftentimes, lacking when you have a person that has absolute power. That's right. There there's no kind of accountability
because it's just you know they don't have to
deliver anything that is like one of the common complaints right about. That was amazing thing, though I love this speech that MIKE Bloomberg gave the other. I think it was last week. Did you see this? He went to Harvard, and he
gave a commencement speech, I think, to Harvard
where he really attack them on this point and said that
had this kind of liberal bias in the in
call t there. That was just really
that, and the other is is that yeah and he had this great that piece of data, which was that if you look at
he's going to have to campaign finance, if you look at the campaign for
that's records because they
everyone's donations reported, are reported you, when you make a political donation, you have to say what
your occupation is. So you
it's quite easy to look at type
of professions or whatever and where their money goes, and he got this piece of
to which was that if you look at the political donations of
Ivy League Faculty
and stuff- and you
look at where the money went in the last election, the figure for
how much went to a bomb was ninety six percent. So it's like this
total liberal dominance.
And he said that is just not healthy. That is not what the university is supposed to be. The problem is the alternative was far more offensive if they went to John Mccain and Sarah Palin. That four percent is the problem, but it believe it or not. In this country I mean Obama's
Not a fan of what this could administer
Asian has become especially
can turn when it deals with freedom of the press when
deals with whistleblowers when it deals with spying on Americans. Like all the revelation that we found out about the lack of privacy, the people have, I'm not
fan of that at all, but God damn
I'm having Sarah Palin is the vice president of the Fucking United States would have been disastrous, having an old man who's playing poker. Whether talk
about going to war with Syria, who was literally sitting on his phone playing poker.
You know, I mean what the fuck that
the President, that
That was the vice president. Those two dummies mean
it's a disaster, that's a fucking god damn disaster so Ofc.
Course the most educated among some went for the lesser of two evils: being Obama being a guy who is a very
articulate, intelligent guy who's, a whore I mean a sense,
that's. What Obama is what he is
is a guy who's, very intelligent, articulate guy. We had these ideas and promote
this ideology, got in office and did essentially exactly what Bush did. I mean in worse when it comes to most of the stuff him handle. You know all the
things that we're going to do we're going to close down Guantanamo Bay. We're going to get out of Afghanistan
it turns out. Most of it was bullshit. Most of it. I mean when you
talk to people that are that are journalists, this
country, has a horrible record in this administration is a horrible record on freedom of the press, a horror,
record on punishing whistleblowers and it's the lack of
the lack of respect for for journalism and freedom of the press is is very disturbing to people, because what what is journalism truly well, what it truly is is that your
losing reality
true journalist is doing, is exposing reality when you punish people for doing that, when you punish peep
for blowing the whistle on, was essentially on
institutional activities.
Like the NSA spying on every single fucking person on the planet, me
that's unconstitutional. When you record everyone's phone call, that's
about what we want and when
the government supports things like that. I mean how
How is this the same guy? That was like hope and change? How is this the same? Guy? Well he's the same guy, because the people that fucking got him in the office or the same people that got Bush into office, the same God. Damn influences an things like crowd pack, things that you're trying to
You would expose that for folks yeah. I think that I mean that's the idea, we're trying to be, and you know there is really important that we, you know
it is kind of non partisan. So, while we've got a strong point of view about the
system generally and how we can improve it, you know we don't ready very important.
Besides. We don't have a point of view as a company about individual issues, but I think that we,
we do really care about changing the system, and I think that one of the one of the things about
the press, that sort of happens and I've seen this on,
on both sides of it is that if you there tends
this kind of coziness that develops with a lot with a lot of the press or particularly traditional press where you know they want to act,
so the politicians and the politicians will get their message out and it just gets quite kind of cozy and so
whole roll of
instigation and exposing things kind of sometime
takes a backseat to having a good relationship so that
You can get your message out and then they get access and I think that's one of the things again. That's really help
only being changed by technology like you were saying, which is that you've got people who
able to get you know to to
do that job of investigation without having to be
lot of some cozy
around the politician. I mean you can get a lot of softballs and you can see why I mean the point. If you see it from the politicians pov their point of view- and it's you know, there's a lot of truth to is that there try
to do stuff. It's really really hard you're not trying to deal with some these problems as difficult as in cry.
Expectations. You get shit for what
you know just trying your title
the scrutiny your life is under scrutiny. It's a really really hard job and they feel that
increasingly, the
media in the press and you're just interested in the trivial aspects of it and who's up and who's down and they're, not really interested in kind of exposing the
flexity of some of these issues blah blah, so that that's how the politicians see it and then
on the other side and that's why they end up trying to you know, have a real
ship that enables them to in the in there
and the way they see it to explain what they're trying to do a bit better so that they, so people can't
give them a fair hearing so that
why that all happens, and you know there's a lot of there's a lot of truth.
To be honest, it is difficult what they're trying to do. Well,
whenever your lip liberal Democrat
for conservative makes no difference. It's difficult governing is difficult, is complicated. The problems are complicated. Everyone's got their point
if you, you kind of being screamed at and yelled at the whole time, and it's hard now,
we choose to go into it. So we can,
feel sorry for them. You know they. May
that choice, like you say they have, that kind of I'm going to be the leader and I'm going to go there and sort things out. So it's the choice that they made, but it is difficult and that's. Why
I want to try and
gun control the message. I think, because
I feel that a lot of the time they don't get a fair hearing. Well
makes sense in some ways, but it does
makes sense from the point of view of the people that are in the position of being a journalist, if you're in the position,
being a journalist there enough, your whole position is to expose inequality expose
violations of the constitution and when
you're in one of those places where you,
whether it's for CNN or Fox NEWS or whoever you're working for if you get to sit down with Dick
any or you get to sit down with Obama.
You're already mewed you're, already neutered, you already silenced, you don't get that chance to proc they're, never going to have Glenn Greenwald sit down
with Obama and then open internet form that airs in real time live. They would never agree to that. They would never
or agree to this weird. Actually, 'cause, it's a really different tradition in England. When you look
the way that interview. If anyone is a tv interview of a politician in England,
so different to what you get here. They really aggressive with them, really real,
really really aggressive and and the kind of softball
is actually
the embarrassing for journeys to do that and there's a different tradition. Well, we used
that is really cheap. It's it is I've really noticed that they shot a few people park, some cars on railroad tracks with families in them, and then people kind of stop doing that. I think that guys, like
Glenn Greenwald, who lives in Brazil and gets to sort of attack America from a distance. You know
until they find him. I
would guys like
Gamer doing with you know he was the one who helped Edward Snowden release all of his documents and the
these, these new players in this whole game,
outsiders that don't have to cozy up, don't have to be a part of this. This nepotism that
we're seeing with the big ones. I mean any anybody, that's in any sort of a large group foxen
CBS and NBC you're a part of this wacky system
part of this system. That's not going to expose these things. It's going to let these people
get their message out, because if you don't you're not going to get the big
names, if you don't get the big names, you're not going to get the ratings and then those big
I'm go to fox those big names.
Go to CNN they're, going to go somewhere else and you're going to lose this. This,
yeah. That's exactly how it seems to work here. That's why I've notice, yeah and there
that it is it an eye,
I believe it's getting exposed and I believe
it's getting exposed in away today that just wasn't happening twenty years ago twenty
years ago. You would
just be frustrated and you it s, go often you'd write a book and everybody always another. Look at the crazy book that guy wrote. You know some people would read the book and say it was amazing and other people would just ignore it, and new revelations would take place along the way and whatever happened would be forgotten, and then the politics
I would get out of office, and I think
George Bush is the last guy to sort of
skate away like that, and you know now he sits around on paints, weird pictures and slowly goes insane. Have you seen the things these changes he slowly going insane mean he
he's, painting, pictures and he's locked in this world of essentially in a prison on a ranch. I'm
and that's what he is he's constantly circled by secret service agents. He hated all over the world he's ill
this indirectly responsible for over one million deaths this one guy there pinning it on him and Dick Cheney and his administration, and this sort of pure
events, and this guy feels that
and he's just sort of wandering around on his fucking ranch painting himself staring at himself in a bathroom mirror made
really really weird stuff, and I think, he's
probably going to be the last guy that ever skate
the sunset with this. This this knowledge, I think Obama
going to be held accountable for a lot more than Bush ever was, and I think who
there's next, is truly fucked, whether it's due
that Bush or whether it's whatever
you know new Democrat they try to sneak into. I don't know Hillary Clinton, I don't know what they're trying two thousand and sixteen- and we won't
no for awhile, because they have to vet out everyone's fucked up vices and skeletons in their closets and in this day and age, which almost just terrible, I think, by the way, 'cause. That's one of the reasons that so many people get put off. Yes from
because a lot of complaints here, uh
six as well. We just get the same kind of people there. All kind of you know
very kind of similar
to each other and there's a particular type of person that goes into it and actually a lot of people who are
you could make a really good contribution. Don't do exact
and that reason they just don't want to live under that kind of spotlight, because Nk
yeah, that's just normal human beings and they've got stuff that they had fun
right. If you had fun in their life, I mean people that have had fun. You know I mean you can't you.
One gay affair, when you're twenty years old, with a guy for a couple of weeks and you're fucked for the rest
that guys out there way
and talk shit about you, if you run for president, you know, there's one
in time you did a little bit of heroin when you were on the road with a bunch of your buddies. You know what you're in college tried heroin owes
fucking college buddies are ready to write a book about you doing heroin. I mean there's
it's a weird time when it comes to exposing people pass and this
the idea of this perfect person from the cradle
to the grave running for
is propositive. I don't want that person that person
if they've, never made any mistakes. That means they never take any chances. They haven't taken any chances, they haven't lived and I'm not talking about mistakes like victimizing people, horrible things that are completely unconscionable
that, you wouldn't do, and I wouldn't do murder and robbery and kidnapping all sorts of terrible things that are just massive ethical,
errors that just shouldn't be ever tolerated from a person's character. Just
little things like here's, a perfect
there's, a woman who's running for mayor right now in Mississippi and
apparently when she was younger she
prostitute.
This is a big story that you know folks,
trying to figure out like what
is that, okay,
how do we? How do we handle this like? What? What do you do?
A person who had made Miss
makes when they were younger? What is what is the answer to this, and
no one really knows they? Don't really have the answer to that they're trying to figure out when
what is happening in that in that is it? Is it playing at
it's tower? What's the yes for sure, she's in Mississippi and she revealed it herself she revealed. Is she
is a former prostitute and she was a prostitute
like I believe it was thirty years ago and she met her husband while he
who is john-
and he was one of her clients and she married him- and she hasn't been a pro
two cents and now she's running for mayor and it's it's a it's a it's quite fascinating. I think it's interesting and I think in a lot of ways you could see that and think this
person is actually really well qualified to be in office, because obviously
you know going through those sorts of experiences will give you a sense of
sympathy, for you know the tough lives that some people have and this
end up putting them in that situation.
Makes you better not worse. Well, not only that what she did was totally legal as well. She was in a legal brothel in Nevada and
and it was
thirty years ago
and she hasn't been there since and the idea
This person is not
how to make errors and that she wouldn't have developed like a lot of empathy
and character, and she wouldn't have anything. That's right. Yeah, I'm a more balanced perspective than a person, who's grown,
up in a very privileged household, with very rich, wealthy connected people, and then they got him to an Ivy league school, and then it became a member of skull and Crossbones and Bobl. Instead of
well, you have a person who is fourteen and was pregnant with a child and had to take care of it
their parents died and she had was forced into a situation where she
had to earn a living, and she didn't have a lot of options, and this was one of her options that she chose and how could you
judge someone who's a teenager that makes those choices mean, I don't think you can, and I think this per,
and that mean good for her- that she stepped up
I totally agree, but I think it's great and a
and it's kind of interest,
some types of early try
word avert adversity, a kind of okay for your
resume yeah, I came from a poor family and were broken home. Where are Bill Clinton and it's ok?
that kind of difficulty is is
but then there's this other category, which is sad
just as character for tracks and drugs or whatever, just as character forming potentially but are not acceptable.
Yeah, the sex ones, the wackiest whatever, because
it's totally legal like say
if this woman had you know eczema
clients per month. If she is
a bunch of guys, you know everybody be like gosh. She was young, choose
young shoes getting wacky but fucking a bunch of guys for money is a problem, but it
just massage guys, no problem
gave them pleasure by rubbing their bodies by rubbing their shoulders and back snow, one have an issue with it, but by doing some
into their penis, oh by the way, if it was one of the guys one of the clients running for office, and it
okay to be a client. That's fine sure
you know something to be proud of, but if that was kind of exposed or whatever that would be about
sure, even ten years ago we had about thirty years ago, if ten years ago, that I went to a prostitute said, listen, I was horny. I didn't have any options. I had a few bucks. I paid some of that uh
happiness, people go
exactly the result. Lee the hunt, sexist kind of way of thinking about this section it
sex should be legal to sell. That's what I think
I absolutely one hundred percent believe that prostitution should be legal. I would
but my daughters to do it. I wouldn't want my friends to do it. I wouldn't want loved once do it, but I wouldn't want them to work at Wendy's either. I wouldn't
them to work on the people that you see on the highway, picking up dirt or picking up a
garbage by the side of the road
I wouldn't want them to be pouring asphalt in the hot summer. I wouldn't want anybody to work a difficult job. I think emotionally it's going to be incredibly difficult to have sex with someone that you don't want to have sex with, but I don't think
should be illegal if it's legal to have sex with people, how the fuck can it be legal or illegal?
to pay to have sex with people or
have someone pay you to have sex with you. It seems ridiculous.
It seems just as ridiculous, making massage illegal yeah. I don't. I don't know. I honestly haven't thought about it enough. One of the things that
I definitely feel strongly about is that if we
make that kind of decision, the sex trade, this extra
picking trade needs to be
one of the ways you think about it, because that is just so evil and discussed completely evil completely discussed. And what
decision. You make has to make that better, not worse
right and I don't know I haven't- really thought it through.
That's a very good point: it's uh!
good point. I think they would probably far less demand for sex trafficking for illegal sex trafficking. If prostitution was legal, if adults could make that decision
If some woman, you know was
in a situation which was like you know, I'm reasonably sexually attractive and I make x amount of money per month doing this. I can make
that same amount in a day having sex with people- ok I'll just do. That,
You know if it's a woman's choice to do so, and some women would have no problem with that choice. The real
of course, is victimization is a real problem. Is
exploiting young people victimization an objectifying women but does not already
take place and it
part of what objectifying women the that part of this issue is the it's very difficult for some
for define sexual partners. So there's like
This thing with this Elliot whenever Elliot Rodgers, this crazy kid that shot up everybody in Santa Barbara Santa Barbara,
the naughtiest response that I've seen to this, the craziest most infuriating response is by the
people that believe that if women weren't so stuck up
sky wouldn't have gone on a rampage because he would have been able to have sex with more people, but it would have been able to get people to have sex with them. That's pick up artists
and the women these women hating fuck heads there
a bunch of guys that they're the
parade under this, this guy's of being for men's rights. You know
kinda funny 'cause, I didn't even know there was like there's a thing called an Mra. It's a Mens rights advocate or act,
this and it's an insult from feminists.
I got called an Mra once and I was
The fact is that mean so
I had a Google Mra Mens right and I thought it was ridiculous that wow, how could you be a feminist but be
making fun of someone who's into men's rights
shouldn't? We all have rights and you shouldn't shouldn't,
but then I started looking into these men's rights. Guys and I go ok- I see- What'S-
they're more ridiculous is not the kind of radical feminine father's nuff like
does exist in campaigns. They did make some good points of the house that is a poor, but yes, and and and you're right, the Father on the divorce excess. I agree with that. A hundred percent, but there's they.
Go away further than that and they
they go into relationships and they go into the way men are treated versus the way. Women are treated p,
who are treated in
in bad ways by bad people and in good ways by good people, but if you're a shit head
we're not going to like you, and just because you're, a shit head and people don't like you doesn't mean women are assholes, it means you're undesirable, and one of the reasons why you probably undesirable is because you have a terrible attitude about things, and this
terrible attitude about things is not going to change. You know it's,
not going to change, because women have sex with you. Like your attitude, sucks your not a pleasant person. There's a lot of people have shit personalities and they get involved in this men versus women. But what is that has nothing to do with men versus women? What kind of things do
I mean the right? What is that? Well like ST, for? Is there a
You know where there's so much nonsense this
I don't even really want to get into it because some of it, some of it, is so fucking stupid and I've been reading these things over the last couple of days and I'm trying to erase him from my memory 'cause. Some of these poorly written articles by these men are so stunningly stupid, like one of them was this. Guy was
talking about how he was around this sixty year old man in this
twenty five year old woman who is his uh, is incredibly hot wife and that
twenty five year old woman was insulting this man, and you know that this is this. This is what the anguish of this guy had to deal with and how horrible it is, and this is what men have to deal with. I was like that.
Might be one of the dumbest fucking arguments, I've ever heard in my life. First of all, what is a twenty five year old man in a sixty year, old woman, that was,
old, wretched creature that this guy was forced to fuck for money? Like would you be?
The man side of the woman side, then uh, which position would you take there? Of course,
this woman is going to say shit. He thinks this old man she's not
is to be him she's supposed to be having sex with a twenty five year old man or a thirty five year old man or someone reasonably close to her age, where they would be naturally sexually attracted to each other when you're dealing with is a bizarre situation where someone has sort of a circumvented, the system by acquiring money, yeah, and so I have our finance it's exactly then, by acquiring money, this guy's figure out a way to get some twenty year old, hottie to Merriam, and yet she doesn't like it. So she complains- and I'm I'm reading this- and I'm like this guy who looks
fuck. Is this guy writing this article talking to who are his friends
How is that an argument? Yeah that is not yet
but I I don't even want to pull the article up. I don't want to reference it. I don't want it to turn, but it's just what
you're dealing with with these men is a bunch of nitpicky shitheads, with terrible personalities that are
complaining about men getting a bad rap in this world. If
you do well in this life, you have an amazing chance, as a man of
being sexually successful,
having a great life of not being persecuted, of, not being raped, of not being beat up.
By your spouse mean the idea that men don't have the better end of the deal is unbelievably ridiculous. When you look at this Donald Sterling Guy, this fucking shit head that owns the clippers he's eight.
Two
The girlfriend was in her twenties. An this
possibility
only exist for men.
It doesn't exist for women there's very few. Eighty two year old women who have attract
twenty year old boyfriends. It just doesn't exist this very,
Very few. You want to watch watch what Madonna does few years down the line. Do you know how
but what kind of a monster like
lot of young men would feel like Madonna was, if Madonna was trying to fuck them. They really like this repulsive to men.
Uh an idea of a powerful, attractive man
who's in his 50s dating a
twenty year? Old woman is not alien at all, but the idea of a pie-
powerful woman in what is Madonna or 60s. How old is she? I think she's 50s, but I think
that's, what's really to be honest,
cool about what she's doing, which is like she's, just really can't
the challenging those kind of sterrett issue. Well, I think so by the way she I don't know. I think that she certainly, I think, she's got
pretty intelligent point of view on some of these, these
agenda issues because she really
I think the Father people uncomfortable, is kind of making the point that we were agreeing about, which is that this is not how it's supposed to be
well she's. She doesn't even consider yourself a feminist. She considers herself a humanist, which I agree with wholeheartedly and
this idea of men's rights. What's
the offensive about it is that you,
so they're concentrating entirely on the ideas and the problems that men face. When I,
I think the only ideas and promises problems that men face, the only ones are child custody and getting robbed in divorces other than that
the fuck up. I really do believe. I think those are the only two issues other than
Please shut the fuck up 'cause when I hear about a guy at planning that a twenty year old wife is is mean to a sixty year old, rich man, oh poor, baby,
What you do go out and get more twenty year old wives, ok, you're, fucking, rich as shit in your old, were going to live forever. Dummy you'll get some
institutes could do it be nice to them, give them cars. You know what do with Donald Sterling said. He got that girl like five rolls, royces and Bentleys and Ferraris and shit, and it still didn't work out that you know why didn't workout. She didn't want to fuck him. They don't want to fuck,
eighty okay. That
just the law of the land. That's the way life works. This is the natural balance of nature.
And you know, you've figured out a way to inject info
once in power and money and sort of perverse.
This whole system and when you come
plane about this perversion, not working out in your favor, and this is why we need men's rights,
Go oh fucking! Christ! You! Why
the bitch. Is you guys aren't men, because it's easy to leeward side, and I think it's just unbelievable- that they're even Turner, their babies, their babies, say that's the babies and they're not recognizing the issues that women do have to deal with women
to deal with worrying about groups of men, women have to do
with worrying about if I
into a parking lot. Okay and it's at night- and I see a woman in that parking lot- I'm not worried about that woman.
If I was a woman when I walked into a parking lot and I walked in my car- and I see a man and that man is looking me in the eye, I have to wonder what kind of a man that is. I have to think about that. I have to
but as a man
but as a woman, you really have to think about that. It's very rare that a man gets robbed by a woman in a parking lot. Of course it can happen. Specially the woman is a weapon of
if you're in Russia, she might rape you. You know this is some stories about russian women. You know there's some story about. She helps a man captive and forced FED him. Viagra and fuck them for thirty days, and that's Russians. They're crazy
in russian chick might actually do that to you. But for the most part it's a non issue or statistically speaking to a very, very, very small percentage of the population, has to worry about this for women.
The amount of women that get sexually assaulted. The amount of women, especially are in college, that's crazy and college.
You know something like more than one out of ten women get sexually assaulted in college. I don't know the exact numbers are red varying reports, but even
ten percent is talking to really big problem. I agree it's a big problem. If you
because men are aggressive, were aggressive were filled with testosterone and we need to come, it's a real
problem, everyday or balls, are building up more more sperm and, if you're a shit head and if you were raised in properly- and you don't have respect for women or the opposite sex or anyone in general other than your selfish self.
Yes have we could we have problems? We have problems with that. So yeah, we need accountability as men, but
it would also help if there was places where people could relieve themselves and also help. If there was a handjob place on every corner, I mean God every Kuna. Why not is a massage place in every corner that you drive down the street in LA? If you drive go to Ventura Blvd drive down the street if your back,
is bothering you, you can find a massage place. One a mile
you'll see a neon light. Thai massage swedish massage this massage you can go in and get your neck rubbed. What can you get your balls rubbed? Why can't you? Why? Not,
because we're crazy, because we
he's weird ideas about sex. We have these. We
ideas about what is evil and it's based on that
european values of this country was founded on Witcher,
wanted by religious nuts, who
we're so cookie that they've gotten boats too
the persecution and travel across a fucking ocean mean. Does the echo,
as of this ignorance is still propelling
is today now. I think that I don't.
I think that with all that stuff to think I've got a lot of sympathy for it, but I just keep coming back to this thing about what is the? If you know what is it?
Are you going to set up a situation where it's
not really a choice that there
some kind of economic or other power that means that
oh pressure? That means that
even though you kind of treat it like a marketplace where everyone's freely
entering into it is
not really going to be the case. I think that's the question I think you're totally right, I don't know and then
I'm not suggesting by the way that prostitution is going to stop rape. You
what what I'm suggesting is that there are real issues with with human sexuality and there's a real issues with making things illegal, that shouldn't be illegal, yeah, whether it's drug use or whether,
where is sexuality, I
think there's real issues in suppression and I think, when you suppress people from doing things
here, is suppressing them from using marijuana suppressing them from drinking.
Pressing them from wearing certain clothes suppressing women from driving when you suppress human beings from things that are illogical, and I find it illogical that sex
It is illegal to sell and
not saying I want to go to prostitutes. I don't I don't, but I think they should be legal. I really do
I think it's nonsense. I think we live in this weird world, where, if some
thing is legal to do for free how?
is it possible that it's ily
will do for money, it doesn't make any sense. I see
your point of view and I agree with it wholeheartedly that you do have to worry about people being so
rolled into this, that you have to worry about them. Being
somehow are another compromised by this
so overwhelming need, for you know the financial revenue that can be generated from sex and that people could be explode.
Did in there could be a real issue with the objectification of women. It could change the cultural attitudes about things, but if you
the countries where it is legal there, prostitution- I was just going to say- I think in HOLLAND, right yeah yeah. They find lower instances of aids lower instances of like Jim Jeff.
This is a buddy of mine who is a stand up. Comedian from Australia in Australia, brothels are legal and he talks about
divorce rates are way lower in places where brothels are legal because
men don't need to cheat on their wives, like some men just give up, they can't they can't get sex for their wife and they just like I'm fucking outta here, and they get divorced
Go to this huge stressful situation in Australia. Just go to a brothel. You know.
Jim was joking around about how his
his mom and his dad were. Fighting and
his mom was like yeah and he goes to the brothel every night, and I don't know if you know that for every Wednesday night- and he goes not every
thank that was
that was the punchline.
I don't think there's anything wrong with that. It's
whether or not people being exploited. That becomes the problem, but that becomes a problem with everything I mean, if people being exploited into labor, if chill
under being forced to work in factories at young ages, which they are in other countries and tip
the other countries that provide us with these these goods that we so want.
The phones laptops. All these different mean how many chilled
and every year scraping minerals out of the mountains that they need to use
make electronics is a lot of 'em, and this is
exploitation. This is exploitation that we benefit from, and I think that we have
address all forms of that, but we also
to address,
Dick ulous laws that don't make any sense and anytime
try to control people anytime. Do you try to suppress people
ability to express themselves in anyway? If you don't like it, you know
Here it's walking topless down the street, you can do if your man, you can't do it if you're a woman, that's what they are.
You're dealing with in New York City now in New York City
you're allowed to be topless as a woman,
the there's some woman who calls herself to fucking naked cowgirl and she's, getting sued by the naked cowboy cousin naked cowboys, a guy who he wears underwear and he plays guitar with a cowboy hat on and he's like this sort of
first attraction in New York.
The women are allowed to be topless now as well in a lot of places because, like
the idea is, why is a man allowed to have no shirt on, but a woman has? How is
because you're saying that breasts are much more sexual than
when they're on a woman and that they need to be they need to be covered? That's
develops a sort of inequality in the law that a woman is
You know women is a oppressed or a woman is subject to laws that a man is not, and that seems to
be very difficult to pass,
So you know you deal with some situation where women are allowed to be topless and they should be.
How many guys get arrested for being Gigolos is at zero. I mean was the last time I got arrested for fucking, a woman because she paid him to. Has it ever even happened. Women get arrested for prostitution, all the God. Damn time you know, but uh
totally agree with that. I mean that is the rather than the people using them yeah it's.
It's totally agree with that. I think when this you're right
there are so many kind of weird things about
and how that kind of plays
but when you think about sort of social issues and stuff like that- and I think one of the biggest things that's going on is the way that kind of
that kind of sorts sexualization of of like
public space and the
the kind of world around us is like really influencing more more children. I think that the kind of is getting younger and younger that kids are being exposed to kind of section
my stuff, that is a real problem. '
'cause, it's changing their expectation of what
taxes and there's
so studies now showing how the you know like kids, sexual behavior is really differ:
you know boys sort of viewing porn,
violent porn it much earlier age. Thinking that
that's how you behave,
meeting women really badly women think of themselves as sexual objects. More, I think, is a lot of kind of quite deep Roy
things that are coming out
and we'll see in the years ahead from the
that is just like sexual images and content is just becoming much more widely available for younger kids. That's a really good point B
so prevalent, and it's so uniquely new the abyss
to download porn on a cell phone. So essentially, if your child is twelve and they have an Iphone, you send them off to school there watching people fuck yeah, I'm going there gonna,
that's right, there's no way you're going to stop them. If that phone has internet data, if it has internet access, those kids going to look at images if they
have somehow another some some access to an Ipad or a laptop or something it's connected to Wi Fi, if it's not but
talk through some sort of a complicated filter that they probably know how to dismantle bed.
You do
they're, going to see sex they're, going to see sex in a way that we never saw sex- and I have this
joking, my act, that is it
story about
when I was eleven years old me and a couple of my friends found a magazine in the woods that was a foot fetish magazine and we,
took us like a few minutes to realize what was going on we're looking at this magazine 'cause, it was really confusing. You thought it was like a cep
Gayatri today or no no, we thought it was a porn magazine for sure. Obviously that was the intent that yeah
Well, we were in the woods- and I don't know if you've ever
found porn, apparently never found the woods fetish.
Do you ever find him a hustler or damn house in the woods, in the woods right when the puck in the early upwards, where we were, but it's always like some poor bastard who's hiding his urges. It's a rite of passage. You know when we're going. I think that you know it's very important. Everyone had that experience, international yeah. For me, it was in Florida and for you was in England. Right is amazing right at the foot thing that is unexpected. So the point was that the
you found these this bag that had these magazines in it and we're going through this one magazine, and it took us like me
any pages in to my
my friend goes dude this shit
well just Dixon feet
that's it. He said we were to this day. I laughed thinking about my friend, saying that and that we were
stunned and confused. Well,
we were just looking at a magazine and we were eleven. You know today,
kids get to watch actual sex and apparently the sexual act.
If, if children is changing, like someone did
a study recently that showed this massive increase in anal sex yeah amongst children under eighteen years of age yeah, it's really of the I. I think it's a really big deal I really too, and and it's and it's the sexual activities changing its
the kind of relationship between men.
Boys and girls. You know that's changing in the cold kind of
we talk about early in terms of the you know: women's rights, men's rights, and I think that that it, you know their expectations of how to behave yeah, how to treat women and women's own sense. We young women their own sense of
themselves as
being about that
sexual sexual persona.
I think that's all really. Can
you know it's actually setting back some of the pro,
has been made in terms of women, music quality, women's equality,
I agree, but I think hopefully at least because I'm I'm now eternal opt.
I think it's temporary and I think,
but ultimately it's all going to even out, because I think that
people are doing is they're. Looking at these things like if women are engaging in sexual activities,
at a much earlier age, they're looking at it like this is something that they need to do to become more attractive to men.
Because this is what they've seen they've seen this
I thought on all of this is that we're going to reach a point within our lifetimes, probably within the next few decades, where we're going to be able to reach others minds. I think I think it's inevitable. You know
over your house actually was the first time I ever tried Google glass and we put
This thing on and scanning it- and you know, and googling things and looking at navigation screens in front of my eye, thinking man,
it is going to get really fucking weird soon I th
we're going to be able to read each other's minds. I think this whole dance that
do. Do you like me, do I, like you, you know who I'm gonna play hard to get I'm going to fucking. Do this I'm going to be the girl that takes it in the ass and all the boys going to like Maine.
All that nonsense. I think it's
it's going to become far more complex than human
fractions, because I'm going to become far more complex, 'cause our concept of secrets
going to go out the window, that's really interesting! Actually,
I don't think it's going to exist anymore. I thank them. If you look at the trend, what is the trend? The trend is that information is easier to access now than ever before, and it becomes easier to access an easier to access to the point where you can ask your phone questions with your voice. You press a button. You know
who is Steve Hilton at Steve. Hilton is a mobile and it gives you the information,
but that's just one step, and it's not going to stop there- it's not halting it's exponentially increasing. So what is the trend? The trend is dissolving boundaries between people and information. That information includes information. In your own mind
information includes, there's going to be a
much more affective interface, that looking at a screen and asking a screen a question: the interfaces,
going to be somehow another a neural implant,
thing that you inject in someone's body like nanobots, there's going be some weird sort of an interface
and when that happens, they're going to come up with a better when a year later,
maybe a more invasive one more and then we're going to have to come to some sort of an agreement where we're going to say, hey, listen in or
therefore human to human race to established and enlightened perspective, we're all going to have to look into each others. Heads and we're going to have to
be able to read each others minds and find out how we think and feel, and
there will be no more mystery in this world. There be no more romance novels. They'll be no more would be unnecessary, is not
maybe any romance is gone.
You be this weird Hivemind thing going on and it's going to happen within one hundred years in this
I think that's incredibly interesting it in the way that
will change so many things. If, if people just you know if that,
so far. Some people can do just know what the other person thinking about that and think about what it used to be like before language established people used to grant in point and kind of try to figure out what the other person wanted anymore. Essentially monkey people. What did we do? We
I figured something out. We got to this point and now
you compare your life today. To that point, I
I was in a conversation with a friend, and we have another friend that is like he's.
Coming a prepper. You know
like guys, fucking setting up his house for solar water and collecting rainwater or solar solar power and connecting collecting rainwater and growing design.
Fruits and vegetables, and doing so in this fear that society was going to collapse and my
friend Jimmy was like it's
He collapses, you don't wanna live man, but you don't want to be that one God. It's got all the food in your. You know, standing on your porch for the rifle and you're all taking turns waiting for the zombies to come over. The hill you know is sounding the horn single alerting. The people that the barbarians of arrived- you don't want to do that, and you don't want to go back to those days. You just don't, and I think that we we
I want to go back to the days of no language and we're not going to going to want to go back to the days of of secrets when
looking at one hundred and one
the no secret thing happens and people just
this kind of understanding of what it is to be a human being. You know nice rate, it's one of our songs yeah.
It reminds me that there's this,
what's going on at Stanford, they have a virtual reality lab and their low
how virtual reality could change the way people think about
of the people about other issues. You know there's one experiment they're doing where we got problem
trying to get it right where they, I think they put you as like
for a situation you think you're in a forest and then and then they measure or some nature, some exam
nature, and then they see how they really give you.
Deep experience of that through virtual reality. And then they look at your behavior in the next week.
After that, to see, if you're more conscious of that you recycle more, you change your behavior because of this. This complete
The false experience. You've had to give you this
virtual reality experience and that's what
we're searching in all sorts of other ways, and I think it's just showing that it does, and you
actually
most behavior by giving them this sense of another world
yeah and that's again, just in its infancy. You know the virtual reality. Stuff is just getting
going and um and
I think it's interesting all these things, how they will affect so many aspects of how we relate to each other and think about these issues, that the
and just so kind of superficially dealt with
it's going to get really squirrelly when that artificial reality is indistinguishable from the reality that we're experiencing right now, 'cause, that's coming to you know that
the whole simulation theory is is is based upon now this side
that one day we're going to get to a point where you can't tell whether or
we live in a computer or we live in the material carbon based flesh world an if
that's the case. How do we know that we haven't already gotten to that point? How do we know that we're not in a computer right now and we're thinking that we
experiencing this reality? But it's not. It's not really happening, we're just a part of a program
and that it's so good that you just you can
You think you really are Steve Hilton you're, not Steve.
Let me see, you know the truth, child I was thought it's all set out. There
Is that when this kind of gets to a point where I
is kind of. I can't handle anymore. My brain cannot literally cope with th
keeps on this server. Remember friend, of mine repeatedly trying to explain to me, like Quantum physics and crew
some things and I just literally come
don't understand it.
Are quantum stuff is hard really hard. I have a I had this notion of alternate realities and things going on at the same time, and I just can't get my head around it. It's almost impossible to do it.
It's really like when
we start getting into quantum stuff, I don't anything they understand it. I mean
they understand it in terms of these theoretical concepts, but it's so abstract in a lot of ways when you deal
and things like when they start talking about subatomic particles, and they
we're talking about the things that they actually do. Know like the things that you actually can measure. You can observe yeah, like particles,
super position, meaning there in movement and still at the same time when they're talking about
is blinking in and out of existence that go away and they don't know where they went, and then they come back with
just that alone. The measurable stuff is so crazy that the lowest point now
the but the smallest measurable point of reality, which is this, these quantum id
the world's made of magic things appear
and disappear. Things are still on there moving at the same time there here and there there there in two different places at the same time, and they can take particles
and they can move them across the world and
when they interact with each other, they interact with each other faster than you can count faster
and you can measure they interact with each other like instantaneously fat
faster than the the any kind of communication that we could have between these particles, given
amount of distances in between them. The speed of light
at the speed of sound they're instantaneously, interacting with each other. Now
now, they're figuring out a way how to send particles through time, there figuring out ways to send particles through time to actually time
travel with particles and so with all the
stuff that they're doing right now is just one step on
it's. Never ending quest for technological innovation
is never ending quest where p
we're trying to satisfy their curiosity they're not going to stop there. Never
stop, but we don't get hit by an asteroid. If we don't get, I think that's right
you know, and you get all these good things coming from that yeah along the way I mean, I don't understand it, but eventually
it leads to things that we all can use and
and deal with and a lot of those things are really good. I don't think that one thing I would say about all this stuff is that
only speaking, we are not critical enough of the technological advances. I think that a lot of them, obviously
improvements. You know, if you think about just technology going back many years. You know the way that I don't know
labor saving devices in the home completely sort of freed women from the drudgery in the horrific kind of washing machine all that stuff. That was just kind of such a horrible experience and that's all
phantasm sort of simple example of technology being really,
informational in a positive way, and I think generally
probably true of technology. It's usually an improvement, but I do think that we have this kind of attitude of
assuming is good and
and not really questioning it. Do we really want that? I think that
Batman enough the
movie, yet we do that's great fantastic, bring it on, but I don't think we still
enough to ask the question and I think the scientists in the people doing this stuff there
really think about that.
They want to do it because they can, and it says
that leaves you said it's this curiosity like let's, let's just go further, because that's a human instincts like
Oppenheimer
Nuclear Bomb, I mean.
Should that really have been done? Well, the
the the argument, the intelligent argument, as if they didn't do it, the would have done it. So, yes, it's important at the allied forces developed at first, but I think that that's the the job of I think,
there's all sorts of roles that are played in a society and there's.
The innovator and there's the scientist? There's the people that are constantly pushing the boundaries of technology, and then there is the social engineers who step back and go ok, let's look at the repercussions of this and how do we mitigate the negative aspect,
But how do we figure out how to integrate
ideas into society and use them to enhance society and what is
being done to sort of manage that and what is being done to two
minimize the negative impact yeah? That is a good way
pudding it that different functions and you need those here,
just a constant there's. No one thing: that's awesome, there's things that are awesome and then there's repercussions that are like yeah, but then there's this well, there's that
but then there's this this part of it that we're not really comfortable with and there's this sort of dance that we do as we
build society in a society continues to grow and expand, and our ability to do
things changes are a bill
need to access information, our ability to accomplish goals. Our ability to
the transmit ideas is so much quicker and faster and there's these
repercussions to that that we're before this day and age, we're really unexpected,
forward, because they weren't available. So
don't really know the long term repercussions of children being able to access porn because they really didn't have it. Yes, it's new. We never. We don't know what that needs to exactly
weird world. It's a weird world
he felt strange times is a good good summary. That's why you two
claw resisted. I know- and this is definitely going back in the day, but the way I creatures like find a way I need,
and then I can get hold of me, yeah, that's it! That's
and then you could shut it off. Occasionally just give it to very few people. You have to have a burner phone,
You have to have a phone, the gift to people that could possibly be annoying so that any
even time fell into the ocean would be like whatever with that fucking
You know and then have a phone that you only give to your family and your close friends, yeah, but
the things is that really puts me off. I just can't there's something about my kind of useless sort of fat.
Stampy thing I just hope: hopeless with touch screens
and only can get is touchscreen somewhere in Hawaii three, I pod at your computer and up the screen you're, so frustrated, Steve got you know. I have a regular ipod with the click wheel, the wheel, I like that yeah. Well, I like this store except yeah, the new one I like that, but the the new ones the Ipod touches. Yes, I don't, I don't find them is either not as easy to use and what the jam I find them to be frustrating, but you,
You got a hold of one of those because you could get your regular. I pie you got so many through the I did the mark is that reminds me of my techno rage every single day we are not a reasonable guy, which is so crazy because you're normally the last person I'd, expect to get violent and thoroughly something you're crazy, but it was an I pod that did to you. I know
who is weird, but I do with technology as people who know me and work with me will testify.
You very Unabomber ask in that way. I'll go.
Okay, you better watch it,
there's a great documentary on the Unabomber and how he became, who he is. I don't want to get into it. 'cause I've talked about on the show before, but it's called the net
It's uh. I think it's german. I forget what country, but it's available with subtitles
but basically he was a part of the LSD studies at Harvard they cooked his brain.
TED, Kaczynski, TED, kids, yeah yeah
and he was turned in by his own brother, his own breath.
Recognize the writing in the manifesto, and he realized that his brother had gone and saying is like. I think this is probably my brother. That's doing this
because I wasn't here then, but that was it, so I don't have a sense of it being observed
So they know what happened, but I don't get
sense of what a big deal it was. It was scared
for a lot of pain in America when that happened was scary for a lot of people also, because of who is attacking that he was attacking people that were technological innovators and attacking
people that were involved in the distribution of technology, and he believed that,
in a lot of ways correctly believed that
there was something going on right now where people were creating technology in this technology would eventually do bad things,
things to the human race into the biological existing
that we currently exist in. You know this sort of like established way of being in living, that we consider being you know,
inherent to being a human being, and he felt like
these people were the enemies of humanity because they were fostering technology increases. I didn't really know that that was was behind
yeah. He just wait. He went too far ahead. He got wacky
instead of living in the moment in dealing with the moment. He just saw this this attack by the Bio,
logical humans or on the biological humans by technology,
which essentially,
I kind of see his point
in a way. I don't see it
as far as like attacking people that are creating technology, but if you really extrapolate where we are right now and where we're going, this symbiotic relationship that we have with technology, where people are afraid to leave their phones behind the phones will eventually become Google glass. Google glass would become an implant. An implant will become well, you know Steve
they've got good news and bad news. The good news is,
you have a year to live okay,
the bad news. Is you have cancer
good news? Is we have an artificial body that we
I have created that we're going to put your body into the bad news. Is it last forever, so we're going to take
or is it the Good NEWS? You know
What is a new world that we're living in where we're going to have weird choices
never existed before?
a lot of the people that are involved in Google they hired Kurz while Ray Kurzweil, who is the proponent of number one proponent, this sort of
in dental moment where
we become
one with computers
will become one either with some sort of
computer interface or we download our consciousness into an artificial body, or we figure out a way to exist in some sort of a virtual reality that is eternal and there's
a lot of people feel like that's. Where things are going to go. Yeah leave us a science fiction is really not fix a no, it's definitely happening yeah. I know the the one I don't talk to to
friend of mine about this quite a bit, which is, if you think about
interested that they were the Unabomber. That's an extreme example, and I wasn't I didn't realize that it was so if
just on technology, but they
there, isn't really a people like it. Generally speaking, there isn't really a movement that sort of and
technology movement that not only not that I'm aware of, if you think back to you know,
come
only when it was born. You have this sort of industrial revolution and the Luddites smashing up machines that were taking job.
A few people. Have you ready kind of damaging society this, and that was it? It's going to quite a big movement. Yeah, okay, didn't get anywhere in, and you know the history sort of made them irrelevant, but there was a move
with a name in an organization that did
What is they? What was there? I think this specifically, it was the
New equipment like the weaving during the industrial Revolution in England. The machines that were
now being used to do the work that had been done by people and they they objected to that
and the incredible and they would literally fee
basically smash up the machines. That was, I think, one of the things they did and which all those people with a better
history that can give you a better picture.
That was was called the luddites I think named after the person that that set them out. Someone called blood. I think- and
I don't know how big it was, but it was big enough that it's something we still know about,
and it's part of the history of that of that era, and there's nothing like that. Now, it's not
not to my knowledge, where you don't have people going out and smashing up cell phone towers now make a point about technology, wife,
it's. What we're saying I don't like it. You know it's kind of helps them in their lives and they like for the most part.
Yeah, I mean there's. A lot of benefits is a lot of benefits to technology, but I
it's what we were talking about earlier, that maybe back then they
They didn't have enough information to draw upon and they saw it as being this direct threat to their livelihood. I think that was a big part of it and I think to date, we're we're we're sort of
forced into this realization that it's neither good nor bad, but rather
something that needs to be managed and
there's good aspects to it and then there's negative aspects to it. An ultimately you have to figure out what outweighs what and how to lean it towards the positive
how to manage it in a way that it goes towards positive. I think that's the case,
we're talking about with children watching television. You know, I know, there's the
Waldorf school. My oldest daughter was in the Waldorf school system for awhile, and it's a lot
walking into that, like they didn't believe in any technology, then believe in any video games, but have been proven that video games can enhance. Cognitive function
The neural pathways that are created by stimulating video games can actually
they mimic games like chess. You know like
problem. Solving games games is stimulate the imagination and creativity like they exist
video games can be used in that same function. This idea that all video games are bad and then I found out that the guy who founded this whole Waldorf system was a channeler
he was a channel are like. I am getting a voice. There's a spirit is talking to me like. Oh, you fuckhead guide to handle that. So I'm very our oldest son- and you know you know, he's in
name system yeah. That system is created by kooks. Unfortunately,
wonderful system in a lot of ways to school that my kid was at was great, but the
reality is that it's founded by fuckheads, you know founded by Christ, people I'm definitely going to look into that, and in Chandler will talk I'll. Tell you the full deal when we get off the air. The conversation that I had with these fucking people, where what what channel are
you know, there's a lot of evidence that there is chandlers? No there's not actually there's none zero evidence that anybody's ever been fucking channel.
You know I have a friend who he loves believe in stupid and he just he's not a good critical thinker he's a great guy, but is not a good critical thinkers. The first when it comes to me with a go story, you know once any geek
came to me with this psychic thing. I knew all about my grandmother. Man, guy was real guys legit I go.
Do you know about your grandmother?
it goes. Yeah I go. So the guy told you some shit. You already knew
how to fucking use. Is that what do you
talking to some guy? Was he playing games? He played a trivia game plan, a trivia game about things. Are you know about your own family? This is ridiculous, like I have what kind
have a question. Did he ask you like leading questions that you answered in some way that he was able to concoct a story of your life, and people want to find that these things are
They want to find that someone is, but there's almost no evidence whatsoever that anybody has a functional psychic
virgin method that is, reproducible,
and it doesn't mean that I don't believe in the potential for psychic psychic powers 'cause, I think, there's some
weird connection with human beings. It's probably emerging much though,
like a lot of our senses emerge, I think there's
weird sense. Is that our emerge?
with human beings like, for instance, they statistically shown in a way that's measurable, that people can tell when people are looking at the back of their head yeah.
You could tell them someone's. Looking at when someone's looking behind you act, you, the people, could send
in a way. That is,
more measurable than chance, so
there's, probably something there, there's, probably something when you think about someone, and they call you that happen,
I've thought about people also negative email,
then out of the blue, I haven't talked to them a years and also I'd be a person. I was that
in my mind, like wow. When that guys up to a boom, we get an email from hey man what's up like wow. What is that? Is that a weird sort of a distant
connection that will eventually one day be much more strong. I don't know
I don't know, but I know that fuck
and channel are starting
school that tells you not to use cell phones and don't watch tv that guys a silly
which this is ridiculous. This is make any sense. You know, I think I think you're right that anything,
that is really extreme? Is just it's just not going to be our, I think, and and date that, and so we definitely don't and
the extreme version yeah. Of course, they recommend that's a question of balance right with all things. Even with reading you can't read
all day everyday go outside for a walk code, ride a bike. Oh do something get out! You gotta get out. You gotta move you gotta,
and I think that that's the case with all human experiences I mean, if you're a person who's. There was a thing recently that the the thing that
he did about sex and about porn and that people
who watch porn they. Actually
have less brain matter, they have less matter in the brain. People that are obsessed with porn
you know when you think about it, it's probably because they,
whatever they're doing whatever
for the brain there stimulating. There constantly
focused on that and all the other shit about wonder
about existential questions in the the lives of the purpose of man. The the the idea of infinity always weird questions and normally bounce around side, a person's brain they're completely nonexistent. Could you just trying to find yeah person a jerk off till you just but you, but that guy the other week that you came out within the government was
he was in the environmental protection agency? I think, and he was watching the
is he lost his job he's watching porn like I thought,
six hours a dales in the office in the government office, and you forgot what is going on that that's even possible
Well, people are listen to this podcast in their office, guaranteed they shouldn't be. There should be working with six hours of this watching porn. Maybe they should be. That's like you know,
yeah, it's ridiculous, but there,
the EPA Epa, employee, downloaded seven thousand files of porn at work and watched him,
two hundred and twenty six hours a day. Well, I don't think that guy was doing good job protecting the environment over that fucking freak. I'm not surprised if
give people the freedom to move around like that. That's what they wind up doing. People are nuts man, you give people the freedom
to just do whatever the fuck they want
You know a lot of times. They do things that just aren't smart. Yes, that's just
where human beings are uspeh
only give them it's like we're talking about. As far as professors or police officers, or anybody in some sort of an ultimate position where they don't
enough supervision, they don't have enough just they have to
much influence over others, and they do
have enough oversight. You wind up
being this fucking guy supposed to be paying attention to our drinking water and just beating off, although
you know, and then there's also a job thing too, it's like how many, how many jobs you really should
or be for the Environmental Protection Protection Agency, and how many people do they really
need to do those jobs. This guy can but that's exactly what is he doing there? Well, we know
he's doing that? What's the
if this calculus yes, we do if this guy can work in there
EPA and he could still like hold down that job and he's beaten up
six hours a day, and this was for years apparently wasn't like just. He went nuts and just one week for whatever reason for it, it was
like for years,
I wonder how many people are listening in this podcast right now. They're, like fuck, that's me, I wanna get busted
create office in like especially if your computer is facing, like you
and you're looking at the door, so you get a clean shot at anybody walking in,
for men, men are freaks, you give a guy the opportunity to just beat off in his office a lot of times dudes
and take it up. You know environmental Protection Agency, Jesus Christ, what a weird where we live and that's an issue, you,
and it's like. It was back in the day where you know
The guy who is a assigned to work for the city water department in the 1930s they found seven thousand pornography books in his office like Frank with
fuck. Are you doing man like I'm getting crazy with all his reading?
I think, in a lot of ways what we're dealing with when it comes to pornography when it comes to the internet when it when it comes to just.
Technology itself, is weird
room with these things that have influence over people in a way that were not designed to process now,
not designed to process movies. Ajayan,
screen, were explosions and spaceships, and all this stuff, that's not real, but we're seeing it in a way.
It's much more impactful than real life were see
right right in front of us. You know, and I think that that that fucks with peoples heads you know, I think that
pornography. The ability to add anytime, you want just
Go online and watch people have sex like
that. You know that you could do that. It's at your little finger tips, especially if you're like sexually starved. You know if you like, you really want sex and you can't get it and you know how I can watch it right now, I'm going to watch sex, real, quick,
oh Morton, Circs, that's a weird thing with human beings:
it's a weird thing that we've sort of painted
cells into this corner. We have
all this technology as we're talking about before it's like we
have access to it and it's all
it's about managing. It really
The second thing is also, you know like reminders that we're just animals really because you've got. I remember, you know, really struck kids log
your program, so you watch these nature programs and basically there about sex.
Eating. That's what happens. That's what happens in nature. That's what all this that's the majority of!
the scenes that you see yeah, that is major, and so we just that, since I'm
Well, we certainly are in. That makes the same. It's it's it's! No! It's not! I don't think we should be surprised that it's such a dominant part of a flaw.
No, no, we definitely shouldn't be surprised, but we're also much more complex than the average animal. That's where things get
the weird world where things get really weird. Is that, yes, we are animals, but we are also animals with computers were also animals that are where the were animal. So we have to think about. Our actions were self aware were aware of the influence that others have on us and we're kind
expanding that influence. You know so
not just animals, were it were animals with computers that may become part of machines. That's the thing.
Freaks me out the most of the symbiotic connection, the human beings have the technology and the potential for developing artificial technology on our artificial life. I think that we we give birth. To that I mean
Marshall Mcluhan once said that human beings are the sex organs of the machine world.
I always wonder if we're not some strange caterpillar that becomes a butterfly that has no idea what the fuck it's doing or
making some sort of a technological, cocoon
thinking that we're just uh, I'm doing my thing running around and looking at porn. No, you know you're a part of this gigantic machine, it's processing and push
sing for the innovation of technology and innovation.
Technology will eventually give birth to a life form
we're constantly working on trying to map out the human mind, duplicate the functions of the human mind in some sort of a synthetic process and we're not
anywhere close right now, but
the way technology etc exactly yeah. It's
feels unlikely that that's not going to happen yeah, I have
this I read this article by this really grumpy fuck, who is an interesting guy, is a smart guy, but he's also just to
probably a lonely shit head and he was mocked
Ray Kurzweil. How Ray Kerswell knows nothing about the human mind and he was
talking about the complicated function to human brought, mind and the way the human mind, processes proteins and that the
barely understood, but
what I read from this and when I got out of this is like. I don't think this guy understands the biological functions are not going to matter if they
b. If these bylaw
logical functions can be completely irrelevant, because they've
get out some sort of an artificial way to duplicate all of the exact same synapse
firing. Mechanisms like without
the biological functions of the processing of proteins, the interacting with the hormones and human neurotransmitters. All that stuff.
Is great, if you're using a body, but
this guy was so hung up on the fact that Kurz whiles wrong, because we don't understand how the human body works. Well. No
now is not because he's just talking about bodies, yeah bodies are super complicated. We haven't totally figured it out yet, but we might not have to
We can figure out a way to do all the things that the body does, but do it with a computer or do with technique.
Did you do with some sort of quantum computer, some sort of quant
the computer that's contained in an artificial body that can completely replicate the functions of consciousness, the functions of emotions, of interaction of curiosity of Cree,
activity? If you can
pull up an artificial computer. That's creative! You!
it doesn't matter with looting, Ising hormones and all the that you're about you're. Just because you're showing your intelligence, you trying to show people how smart you are the I criticizing unknown genius because you're known genius, I mean that's essentially what you're doing yeah and it seems to just superficial. I know nothing about it, but the the the the body parts of it feels like they. They you know that doesn't
kind of progress right there. They sort of Bio, mechanics and robotics, and so that is easy compared to the brain, yeah yeah,
I agree it is the what they do
about the mind they do know. The about the body is
comparatively rudimentary when you think about what we know about a clock. We know everything about o'clock clock.
You know you buy a switch swiss watch '
There's a man out there. That knows every single function of that watch knows how it interacts knows exactly. What's going on tick, tock, tick, tock! We don't know that about the body, yet you're right, you're, correct, but we're not going to have to we're not going to have to
'cause, I'm going to come out with some shit. That's way better than body going.
Now with some shit. That's way stronger than a mind and it's going to
artificial and
it's going to hello
and you going to go off, shit
exactly are you guys living like this? Like? Oh, we don't know just kind of going on momentum, just how we do it I'd
I think this is the best way to go about this. I don't think so either
I have a better idea, oh great, and then this
something is going to take over and then we're going to have real problems and he's going to really reform our campaign. Finance laws to have a better sister gonna have any frozen in the region. His mind is not going to be any voting, we're going to know what's important and what's exactly there
this guy wants to have brought this up before. But I
it's important note. There was a guy that we talked about in the park.
Who had been bitten by a shark in the shark it taken his arm and
taking his leg and he had this carbon arm and he was moving his fingers around here. Then he was standing there talking with this
Big arm is fake leg about how great it is. A technology is provided him with a way to still be moved,
mobile and functional, even though he had been attacked by shark,
and I was sitting there and I was thinking wow. This is fascinating. This guys, like kind of a cyborg.
What we see is a man with an artificial arm and the story was about how well they had cream
this arm to the point where this guy was living a totally normal life and you know, was
functional and mobile and can take care of himself, even though his arm had been bitten off by a monster,
and I thought about what, if it was both legs, ok
and they figured out artificial legs. Who would say no to that? Nobody given
official legs? Now you can move around. Ok
if it was his whole body.
I would say: listen we're going to take your head going to take it on a robot body, but you're still going to be you. Oh ok, alright I'll, take it!
Okay! Ok, we're sticking your head on a robot body, but listen we got a problem, the robot.
It is rejecting your brain, but we've
artificial brain that works. Just like your brain, going to download your consciousness to this artificial brain. You won't even know the difference. Ok!
Well, then, who are you and what are you? What are
are you? Are you a person still if you uh,
are your thoughts and your personality in your memories, downloaded into some creation,
some sort of a new thing that they've done that mimics all
all the functions of the human mind without any
the biological limitations. What are you yeah? I
member that is so funny you talking about that because there,
five years ago, when I was doing my interviews to go to Oxford University- and I had an interview with a philosophy professor- and
he gave me this sin- are
which I now know is a famous philosophical thing, is called the experience machine, and this is this constant.
Very much like what you're talking about which is like if we could put you in a machine
gave you all the experiences of a fantastic life, but it
the machine doing it. Would you choose to do it and
remember saying no that I wouldn't want to do that because
I'd feel I'd want to have really expect done it myself and if you just in a machine, that's not the same thing are, but what, if the machine made,
you feel like that you even on a whatever I said there was some kind of com
back in Indiana, remember getting really frustrated and I don't know that's why I want to come and learn about philosophy, so I can figure out
about, but I have no idea because I lost my temper. I never did figure it out. Then you throw your phone out of his way before the phone here, but it was just that comes a point when I just find it really hard to deserve. Even
you have to go very far with this, and I just think, oh well, whatever, let's just sort of get on with you know practical life,
say. Well, it's essentially it's the dunbars number of philosophical discussion. Our minds are limited in our ability to sort of take
these ideas in there we don't
the capacity to extrapolate. It's too much,
this concept of recreating reality in an indistinguishable manner is too weird too, but
I think it's something we better to start talking about 'cause, it's common yeah,
I'm really happy that you are, and I think it's really important- that other people are I'm just saying I'm not to
the other important other people are doing it than me in the hierarchy. I think that you know a lot more about it than I do and you've read more about it tonight I have, and I just think that is
it's really important that generally we talk about it and
really strong sense of awareness of how these things might change stuff and uh,
the time it will be for the better and that's great, but we should just talk about it. While I had
opportunity to talk to Kurz. While for an hour and a half, and I sat down, I interviewed him about these things and it was really fascinating. We had a great conversation, but
This guy is not thinking about negatives at all. All his thinking is gung ho right, full blast pet.
Call to the metal he mean he's taking like he takes giant bags of supplements everyday 'cause he's an older man he's just trying to keep his biology alive long enough to see this new birth of technology, and
when it gets really crazy, what he's trying to do also is he's trying to
I think his father come back to life. His father die
I did when he was young and he believes that if they figure out a way to recreate a person from
memories from just the knowledge of who this person was images that you're.
Going to be able to recreate this guy in some sort of an artificial form means one of the thing
we discussed this, he wants to see his father again and the idea that he
and recreate his father, technologically from from his member from
all sorts of different things, from memory from all the data that installs from recorded stuff.
It's one of the most fascinating concepts that I've ever heard when it comes to the increasing
increasing power of computing,
is that they're going to get to a point one day? If computers
can you accelerate
two dot one day where they can take in
count all the positions of all the objects and all the things that are things that exist all over the world as data and from them extra
wait where things will be and where things were so
why? Where things were meaning, knowing everything in this room where it's at in this position, they'll be
need to figure out how it all got here, who move
Jamie move, this over there and Brian pick that up and turned it on, and they will literally be able to calculate the past. They'll be able to
by what we have here by everything we have here and what we know they'll be able to calculate the actions of the past madness.
Run our time. That's what yeah he's holding his hand up? Ok, well,
I'm pretty pleased to hear that, because at this point I'm just like ok, that's
it is, I don't understand it will be able to look at all the ground itself. Look at the content of the dirt, the
pollution in the ocean, the carbon
in the air, the distance between
and these two trees in the mount of pencils that are on your desk and they'll, be able to figure out the past.
Computers will be so far advanced. It just runs with that line. I come in which Woody Allen Film, where.
Sums up. How did he asked? How did the horses parents, how does the tv work or something? What do I know about the
interviewer, so I can't even figure out how they can opener works yeah. I think the tv baffles me this stuff,
you, know yeah it should it should, and it's only going to get more and more baffling we're stuck with these dumb monkey brains. Yes, that's the problem where the dumb monkeys that are sitting around here waiting for
is change, and when things do change, we will be just as weird as
Australia pithecus, if you put
the time machine from a million years ago and threw him into the Fucking Burbank Mall
We would be running around going wild off all guys that, because things change because things grow and things evolve, including you
we're just along for the ride. So I think the real key
to human beings and it's the most difficult aspect of life is to get really good at this month.
Get really good it just existing in the moment after I agree with that so fucking hard to do right, yeah, it's great, it's a great way of thinking about it, because it just means that you don't
so? Much because you can you know this stuff that you can understand and relate to and be be good and enjoy. I think that's totally wrong.
And there's some power and worry. Can
I can't worry about worrying. 'cause
worry causes,
preparation, preparation, causes you to
cover your bases and remove a lot of paranoia because you relax like one of the best
things you could ever do. If you're worried about something is handle it. You know you handle it, you deal with it, you don't have to worry about it anymore, so I don't think there's anything wrong with worrying a little bit, but I think
like all these other things that we've discussed it's a balancing act
is there's a
Go crazy and watch porn all day, but if you watch a little bit, I think you're going to be ok, you know don't,
don't get nutty and sit in front of tv twenty four hours a day. But what
this game of thrones every now and then I don't think it's gonna hurt ya. You know what do you get outside every now and then, but don't stay there when I
It's cold. You need to get indoors. You know, there's the world's big there's a lot of shit go.
And it is simply a matter of there's so much happening and there's so much to take in and there's so
much going on. There is not one good or bad there's just a bunch of different things happening all at once:
yeah and that's why I totally agree with you that the more you can give people the freedom to
appearance and enjoy and kind of right there
the story about how they they do stuff and not be told what to do by others, the better. Indeed crowdpac there you go.
Crowd crowdpsc dot com. That is the website. If, if you're interested in that and the elections are today
shockingly little discussion,
both online and on the news about them,
if your, if you're curious, go to a club, crowd pack, C r, o d e p, a c dot com
and- and you get your voting guide- get go there and then click on it and enter in all the information and find out. What's going on, it's really. I like. I did check this out. I think it's really pretty cool. What you've done. Yeah, I just wanna say a priority. Is it's? You know it's really early days. The
is the first little test version of it. We just doing it.
California! So I'm sorry! If people are listening outside California, we won't work so well for you. I should say that this is a test
We will be back for the
the mid term elections in the fall with
with a whole new set of things and data for politicians. All of the country, so September will be
with a much more
well Upton, much sort of bigger and better product, and I think it's going to really shake things up a bit. That's
and anyway, I think you will too. I think I will too. We need to get you together with the young Turks yeah. That sounds right now and I'll check that off dimension to will the primary thing yeah yeah he's on the right track when it comes to that stuff too, Steve
Thank you very much. Thank you chose three huge three hours. Three hours just flew right back at that families are three o'clock. Thank
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