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You don't they mean well, but they all everyone has their own idea of what should happen and if they're nice people it gets in the way it Ouch euro and, like I you know right now, I contribute to two different television shows and I'm very lucky Emma freelancer, I'm a contributor. So I work on a show on Does your America called Techno, which is a great science kind of newsmagazine sale, show, and then I work on a local show here now Lake also connected, which is on Casey, eighty, which used to be our PBS affiliate, and now it's just a public television kind of stand alone and that great I have great producers. I get to self produce some, so it's wonderful, prior to only doing those and the podcast. I was full time on a show called take power live on private tv that was daily eight to twelve, there is a day every day Ito Heron make up for two hours straight base please you hours, yeah, we'll, try turning away rules aim.

What is there to ours? Didn't look like wasn't let where my hair straight wasn't allow to wear black wasn't allow. It was crazy, like a clear rules, very strict. I could not, myself on that show, and I look back and that is really when the podcast it because I was so like you said kind of boxed in speaking only and sound bites and presenting a version of myself that honestly, I was not comfortable really presenting the pike. S was a really really necessary outlet like it was so psychologically freeing for me and now I think it really helps keep me centred and anchored when I do new jobs and new worked to really under and how not to let things get out of hand like that you're, the best representative of yourself is you sell yet and when we got a bunch of people like deciding what you should do, I think you'll be great if you were pink I'll put, you should be,

that legitimate like I did. They made me we're paying, and I had to wear my hair, all curly, aided Diana hated that- and I don't know me- I think it's because I was the only girl on the show at the time it was like very male heavy, and I was supposed to be like the representative of the female species which was like come on. I'm kind of a tomboy like it wasn't really looking for me, is a lot of short skirts to which it's weird me like I like to wear black leather, but yet the majority group really weird anyway- and we ve talked about it many times in the park ass about how you watch Fox news women who, like it's, They have in their contract. They have to uncrossing cross their legs like a certain amount times per minute it because it's like who the fuck is that uncomfortably shifting switching your legs back and forth and if a man,

and dressed like that. It would be so in saying. How can you imagine tat insane because there are either we? If you watch runway, shows every you keep up with fashion at all. There are kind of male versions of that sort of ensemble, but nobody actually where's that in real life, like the short kind of tight in maybe not appeared, nuts. But like halfway down your thigh these little like plaid shore, you know it's very runway, but even those are short years, something crazy about a square. I agree, I mean it's like easy access as the most ridiculous invention for you.

The giant, which is your coveted sexual organ. I mean this is like this is the where the babies come out. This is where you let the loved ones in so much to the vagina, and yet it's their protected by the thinnest piece of fabric. If, if it I've been able, as we ve seen all these little tv upper celebrities and their little whoops he's getting ends in and out of car whip seas, where they're just happened to be a camera right down near their vaginas with us on a website. Does that such it was engineer? And, what's the reasoning behind recruiter? Why would you want to do something you want to look at it? I want it to be Clark annoyed the declared they took me on Africa. What he said about vaginas copies of a different persuasion, egos first ass, her vagina, when the gonna hear

but then it is a weird thing. I mean that your presented as a serious journalist on Fox NEWS or as a neuroscientist you are, and yet they want you to her vagina, basically just barely prick, active via a little a little like napkin that they throw over if it's No, thank you and always the cameras. Are you know right at the mid lying or in the middle of the table, and soon it's just like an and fly. Her or ultra flattering, depending on how you look at it angle that Europe makes you feel really exposed its yeah. How are we supposed to take somebody obviously the building its it, doesn't make you any hotter. That's where you know how you do you don't have to like. I think it's a little better, sometimes to leave things up to the imagination, no it's not like it, but I'm saying- and I give you a retired- maybe not on tv and the new worlds. Looking man you're good news. What's your yeah? What's your objective mean? Is it better in real life? Well,

Oh no bottom tell them. We are trying to do, but if you're gonna show where you just trying to like tat- about issues its distracted, yet knows distracting to have liked this really sexy outfit on. I think that's half the reason why these like Fire Fox NEWS type, shows do the barber Walter's, never I don't know, maybe corrected, but she you know not to two scandalous. Did where short skirts, and I was actually just watching somebody a little more comfortable, I'm very short, and I feel tiny in this chair so Christmas. All so I was watching this documentary called misrepresentation. Have you seen my mom I'm about to get like? Super feminist on how we really early. Just like you know his off. Like everybody on Twitter to act,

really good documentaries called misrepresentation. You can find it on Netflix and it was produced and kind of narrated by Jennifer, SIMPLE Newsome, whose Gavin new sums, wife and the whole thing is kind of about media representations of women. How women are portrayed, how women you know make up x, amount of the population x amount of the jobs in this field in this field in this field and then how their represented, both in fictional television, but also in nonfiction programming, and they talk a little bit about that kind of war, I are female news. Readers meant to look so sexy, it's always kind of like the crusty

all dude and then like his hot niece. Like that's what it looks like when you look at a news reading team and- and they have these great interviews with people like LISA, Lincoln and Katy Corsican- can talking about Katy, actually is very open and says I I've kind of feel guilty, like almost I played into this. Like maybe I set this trend in motion and you know I was fit. I wore you know not ridiculously short skirts, but you could see my legs on to you me and then it seems like that's now the formula that every news reader has to have many almost just assume that there dumb like it, it portrays. I I don't think it portrays strength. Unfortunately, when you have these like girls, that are women that look like they're trying so hard, be sexy, then, all of a sudden it puts it in your head, like oh she's, just reading a script that somebody else wrote for her when sometimes these are really really bright, really successful women. Why do you

well. I guess they just want people to watch it and they just feel like the best way to hook. People is sex yeah and in truth is that they also in the documentary they showed all of the major news corporation, which there aren't that many anymore. You know the kind of conglomerates eating and and more and more of the property is owned by less and less people and they showed the number of women on the board on the board of all of these different news organisations, and so you look like Time Warner or you look at via com, and it's like one woman to women veto to women and as opposed to like thirty men or fear- teen men, the people that are making the shows and the people who have ultimate control over those kinds of decisions, historic and to this day, are like ninety nine percent mail. Wonders. That's. Why, like women like Megan Tele, that Fox Lady, whose not DOM at all Very sharp girl, she's also kind. I mean he kind of got him edge to wonder if it's like till, like let you know? Hey fuck face just cause: I'm gonna

tits hanging out. My legs criss crossed bear covered, my cougar are still put in your place. I wondered, if not we already have the air star. Heals all atomic go is backed up yeah, don't think it's an honor. And feeling for women who are just in a position where their survival did by men who just are going to assume when they walk in the door, that she's just dumb bimbo she's, a weather, girl, she's, a noose reader, but really she's right in her own cause. The in doing her own research really strong smart. I mean I disagree with like fucking everything she says, but I've seen her be a total brilliant shark on air before me. Slightly more rational than most of the people, and that network that nothing Yes, you can be pretty rational, would see you now she's right wing and assist that's her thing now. She's, like a real Santa Claus, is white that our capacity to satisfy its very distracting right it is, but they don't usually looks like that. Do just voted.

Work at all aware of the ridiculous. You should do the news from a bed, EL the new should be done from succeeds, she's got her tits highlighted yeah. She does their different colored. Yet another thing coming interesting, wardrobe dry. She basically as to tone thing with the tests were impossible, did not look up because they don't blend in Iraq and that's the thing it's like. They really push you, I remember on take part live one day wearing one of my favorite looks, which was like black panties heels a white button down shirt those fitted. I mean. I think that the outfit was I'd, consider it like a hot outfit and a black tie and butter. My hair, braided and kind of pulled back, and I was wearing glasses, and my producer told me that I couldn't dress like that any more as it was to me skill and dogmas where I know you know you look like like I'm a girl, like it's obvious that I'm not trying to be a dude I'd like to wear ties reduce ago no answer he was. I wasn't no, maybe really was now. He wasn't really really want Russia,

have you thought you'd like masculine, like that now I mean I don't know it's like put on a short like an end. You get that thing to where, even if they dont overtly tell you it's like you get off air every night and when you dressed in an outfit that you love like pants, assure like you feel comfortable, but you, good about yourself and you look in the mirror, and you think your body looks good. It's like whatever Ok, fine show whatever you wear like the dog. Miss Little short, pink skirt or dress it you're, totally uncomfortable in and you're, not acting like them. You look great like in your eye, F B, like in your it's. Your eye of the last link is constantly there like in your ear like that. As to the eye of bees are gross. I now having someone talk to your, especially if you're, in the middle of a tough got a conversation, and there lay off that are dont, say this or bring this back and bring up that or ass this

its tongue and stuff, especially when there's like tension between you and your produce when earlier glow in MILAN hiding yeah. You know what I'd do post fight interviews when I first started doing these to talk to me in my ear like way back in the day, like sometimes I'd be in mid sentence, and there be some fuckin clueless shithead on the other end has now been in decades than the new cars are awesome. The guys it had been doing of her innocent, but in the nineties I did, it would be a guy talk and I really had to take the thing out of my ear. I couldn't China. When I was seven, they have a meltdown booth when they say you take it out of here. You don't know what it's like you can't mining really can't form a sentence. First of all, when you do a postcard interviews, you're doing it in real time off the cuff completely add lived in Europe. You're, asking questions and adjusting based on how the fighter talks to you and that's what I don't understand like even a good produce. There will be like willing ever talk to you while you're talking. I wait until you stop talking like even after fucking here with the person I'm doing so to me. You literally can't hear that you haven't talking here and you're talking. I don't hear now that you can hear it all and its

same thing that show I was on was alive. Show every night, so I get it counting down to commercial things where you have to keep time, has weak wrap it up. We ve only got a minute left great, but late, just the talking in the talking or you, hey. This robbed you. I must say that I say what I want to say with us: a beautiful thing about the internet in the beautiful thing about the internet, and producing your own show and creating your own show. As I can look at those old shows. The shows have been around for a long time like that special news type shows we talked about like the uncle on the niece and though I have that kind of weird format where they talk fake in its everything, seven minutes cut to commercial affiliate, that's a dinosaur You don't think I mean, I don't think it's gonna last for people sort of our. Generation. I use that loosely, but I think most of Middle America is still watching that kind of traditional television. America gets the imminent too. They do. That's true America's, not male. America anymore, I think most of middle america- I mean they're they're, watching

What's on, because it's always been there, the way more hip. Yet they are not tell it. When you got the road, don't you feel it Brian? When you go to Ohio and all these different places like that uses be like a little behind their, not really behind anymore. It's a lot of fuckin slick people that are living in the middle of nowhere, absolutely adding that's. What's great about area I mean I just got rid of cable for my first time and for once, em like choosing but I want to watch instead of just like. Oh, it's anti veering, say you're kind of directing bite. Are these Middle America people picking out stupid shit like I want to watch this? Slowly, but surely the other getting more hip. Now, I think so. Do I think part The problem now is that I mean you look at the statistics and Fox NEWS is still the most watch news network like what does that say about our car what says. First of all, they don't really know what the fuck people are watching Is the Nielsen range or reject that strategy most antiquated way of figure. It's the only thing. It's worse is the arbitrage when they try to

girl, whose listening to radio that shit's reject? Really I could give you a book and use to carry around right down when you listen to this channel channel, I don't fucking and also what ends up happening is that people represent themselves to be different than they are there. Like I love NPR when they like never listened NPR. Can I think it looks well there's that thing that they do it works as well. Where they'll they like you're a talk show especially the the the ratings based on how many people are watching up into a sir. Point like that's. Why they're tonight show has a twenty minute first break because fifteen minutes. It is when they do the first reading, so they don't want. But the commercial, because then you'll change to channel fuck up the railings. So they have a twenty minute things: The thing is geared towards like keep watching us

look at what you do, I'm crazy, like sweeps every night, it is anything to try to get you to hang in there for twenty minutes and then, though, bring someone on, and that's like with the skirts, are all about nets with why you have all these people that their sensibility is not based on which the best way to get carers? Thoughts, what's the best way to get Megan starts up. That thing is how get someone to watch this chick l completely, and also there is a problem. I think where people say: okay, well, people in the industry, especially when you talk to them about this. They go well whatever we just give people what they want. You look like bad reality: tv, Withers, cat fights and humiliation television all the shit that you know the cartoons all this shit that we're like breaks, my heart, that this is so popular in America and then people say well, that's what the people were and we're just answering to what their needs are. You know we're not actually effecting any sort of social change, we're just playing. To the hands of of love. What they're interested in, but I say that that's fucking bullshit

as we have an illusion of choice in this country, like we don't a viable options. If I want to watch the news, I have either got Fox NEWS Emerson. See or CNN, those are the things that are easy for me to fine. I probably, unless I haven't expanded cable package, dont have Al Jazeera or BBC World NEWS or another option or archie or another option available to me? So I'm watching this programme, that's! No longer even news. It's it's just! You know fucking ad, ties- are blow job. And like ratings run off scare, you artesian interesting example. Our he's kind of a fucked up channel Our duty is very like. On the one hand, there is amazing reporting happening there and, on the other hand, it's like answers to the Kremlin, yeah, it's so weird! Well, Abbe Martens, a friend of mine she's, been on the show several times: she's great she's, one of the rare people that can count address. However, she wants, she dresses, sure slacks show where I mean she's very pretty, but where you know: share

something that makes it a cottage, if that's what she wants to wear or show where something different, but she has a weird situation there too, where she's criticized Russia, like especially what's going on in the Ukraine, and you know when they were like we're. Gonna, send you to the Ukraine and she's. Whoa whoa whoa, the fuck. You are like not send me to the Ukraine like made publicly a press because she was put, she was sizing, Putin's administration, and what with what was going on and knows very public on television? She did this thing, and so they said We're gonna send her to two Crimea so you can see what it's like on the ground, she's, like any of your fucking mind, go into a war, is now did you guys? Are you didn't talk to me like in? This? Is not happening and to start right now is not happening, but it's weird. It is it's a weird place: I've ever Russia, I'm pretty good friends with alone in coffee and Jenny, Churchill who used to work at Archie on the alone a show

in the day, and then they went over to half post and were at half past life, which is where I met them, and that's where you want the science editor yeah. That's I was there science correspondent. There was a science editor in New York. I I did all their correspondent like on our work and so on, them there, and yet they ve told me some pretty interesting stories to about Archie and a lot of stuff has been leaked lately, like you see it like the reporters, there have been more and more open about the fact that there is an obvious agenda at that news network and I feel like when it comes to Russia reporting. You have to take it with a huge grain of sand, but they do a good job of investigative reporting in parts of the world and also is interesting, as everybody knows about our t primarily knows about it from clips that were released on the internet, yeah bait there really get about their social media. That's what I mean. Yes, yes, a big reality when it comes to all those new shows too, and all those tonight show and talk shows there. The whole thing is get a clip

Jobs suddenly only gets under way you could put on television and their or you know, put on television, but then people make a clip of it and put it on you too. Even everybody trade, I mean look at us, an L. Obviously people still watch it. If you want to believe Nielsen ratings, but, like the show is not good anymore, it hasn't been good and a really long time, but they really real. Vented themselves with the digital shorts a few years ago and as those we're getting released, I mean there was like this new kind of resurgence of young people be. Like o s? An l is actually funny has not so kind of worn out and old. The whole problem of Essen there's a bunch problems but trying to do a new show every week and then to doing it live and for when I it's a terrible idea, they dont having it it's like make it a half hour shall like don't make it because what is happening is they have good ideas for clips and then they just every effort. Single sketch the usual run it into the ground, it sizzling they get the joke and then they repeated and time foods also adjust super competitive environment,

and we know Phil Hartman, who is a good friend of mine. We run news radio together and he was answer alive and he had a nightmare stories. I have to talk to him about what it was like: the back stabbing another, the weird I'm seeing shit. The goes on people trying to force thirds their sketches in other people caught blocking out. Just like all the downfall of the worst thing the worst way to come up with something creative like to have this weird competitive environment like no ones supporting our heart. Is there now he told me some nightmare stories, and I just I mean I'm there were. I'm sorry. It was really amazing, but not an awful nationalism need either There are sometimes Eddie Murphy days, there's mean its euro is gonna, have talented people who are capable of being funny under extreme circumstances, yet put a minute the worst scenario, and they could figure out how to make something funny occasionally, but you're right like its it. It would be better if it were much loser, but it

tv better their time like the needs, like everyone of welcome a sketch ere. I want some outside our special pry, be Fuckin nuclear bomb new everywhere that some people have these expectations, and I want to live up to those expectations and they want to keep up with the ratings and make enough money in all the old school tv model. Is I dont know how much life it has left and the problem is that's where the money is still it's a legacy model. It's all of the investors, all of the advertisers it's how they know how to do their jobs, because they ve been doing it for so long that they still pumps how much money into that machine! I mean I see it as a freelancer when I get offered a tv job, it always pays better than a web job. Across the board. That's where the money is still in and that's where my age and is trying to push me. I do a lot of web work because I like new media- and I like that- I can be free on it, but the truth is

worse still in this kind of legacy world with with old school media and until those large corporations start to undo. Stand new media. I think that you're gonna, see this weird inflated bubble were all money still stays where nobody, seven fucking watching anymore. It's adjusting its adjusting slowly, but it's it's it's. Definitely in this transitional period, our PETE, more people Conor realizing how isn't everybody on everyone's online Riah. So is an artist People that are online also watching television shows like we can reach them. In both ways like its and then slowly shift. In my opinion, this can a shift to the internet almost entirely. I really don't see the only benefit that I could see and networks is things like game thrones. We need massive budgets to put on a speck. Your special effects, but even here it'll, never usually laterally. Starting to do that, you know what I mean. I think you will be about the end and what happens when those production companies or when HBO roles out, and it becomes a stand alone up where you don't need that

well provider anymore than fuck that's online. To I mean the only things that I appointment view any more at all: on television are, let's masters of sex. What is up It's on Showtime was that the Kinsey thing well, its masters and Johnson, so different researcher. Isn't it yes ex researchers from the fifties sources like the movie was whose it was a wheel metion who the fuck is appetency moving? Yes, so them Z, and then I don't remember but Kinsey and Masters and Johnson are probably the most cited sex research, historical sex researchers. In psychology courses, were you learn about sexual behaviour, but masters and Johnson? A really interesting thing. Masters was an obese you I am Johnson was as research assistant and they fucked wow alot. That's show yeah and so they got day word the source of a lot of their research Well, it's Lizzie, Kaplan and Michael. She and it's really good. Is it the great

that's interesting. So is it? Is it a perverse show, as a kind of like others are trying to be likes, scientific about their size yeah? are they totally are, but it's a new field? At this point, nobody has thought to investigate like sexual response, so they are the first people to detail what happens when you have an orgasm there, the first people to try and take measurements of female orgasm like all these? Really, nobody thought that that was legitimate research that I'm so he gets thrown out of multiple institutions and he's always getting in trouble. It is pretty Secondly, we think about it. Wasn't until the twentieth century, the people, Sir researching sex, oh Anne Sexual out, and even then it was all men like nobody gave a shit but a female response that was totally secondary lake, because this is what happens. This is another little feminist soup Who is that feminist, though now available issue, though that term feminism I now it's kind of like it's the term feminine,

All it really means is that I support equal rights for women. You know so in that sense of the term, yet some very much a feminist so we're uses. Probably everybody in this reality will learning for sure, and so this is the thing when you dont have female physicians- and you don't have female researchers, because the institutions since don't allow them, then you don't have a female purse research perspective. So sudden all of your research subjects are men, because nobody thinks that it matters to research, what happens to a woman's body and it took- for research on female sexual response to catch up to research on male sexual rights, which is crazy because females are the child, bears free bizarre. I know we're pretty bizarre when you think about the other different things that used to be used on women, like that women used to go to a doctor to get manually manipulate air orgasm because they were like suffering from hysteria hiss

Erika was Stana Hysterectomy Stereo. They are connected with those. The idea- and you know it in Women- would go to hospitals, forum exhaustion. That was like a common. The angry that I asked she's hospitalized for exhaustion. Well, wishers celebrity still do the pressure, they think they favour, but it's like it's either depression or substance abuse right, that's what we used to call them. Question and has only women wasn't men that we're gonna men would sometimes dear, but it was very common for housewives to go in for throws out action while what they do not just turn them all. They might have on the matter and the problem give em like early versions of psychiatric medications and they basically let them leave whatever stressful environment there and get away from the baby's that we're making you depressed, get away from husband, go beyond your own four bit redefined. But do you think it is fair to think that

as life becomes easier and as like society and civilization is more like goods are more accessible, it's easier, yet food, it's easier to get water, it's easy to get services, and then slowly but surely thing sort of equalize in terms of the more aggressive males paying more attention to the needs of the female, but in the old days, when things were much harsher people lived low, that they have a shorter life spanned the world was a darker place, Then it was more sexist. Did they more, like men were just like look as these are tough times, fuck off bitch get. I think it's probably both. I think that there is definitely you look at the kind of man

Lows: hierarchy of needs: if you ve ever studied psychology, you can probably hospitals for exhaustion. That's a make. You look at masses, hierarchy of needs and it's like this pyramid. It's like food pyramid, but the needs pyramid and at the bottom are things like food and water and shelter like when you certain about food and water and shelter you're, not concerned about things like love, and friendship and then, as you get to the top it things like self, actual innovation and blah blah blah. So I think that there are the component of yes, if your struggling to survive contemplating or waxing Phyllis ethical about you know, civil Lib, these and things like that. It's not in your! So you may be very instinct shawl and you may be aggressive because a better or for whatever reason, you may see kind of patriarchal lines that are drawn in the sand and some sexism and some violence, but I think on top of it

maybe that would always be the case so long as women didn't have a voice. I'm not sure I am not sure of just moving to the future and I'm not sure if it has a function. If it's a functional people having more access to food and goods and services or if it's really a function of, women, because what happened was women? Were mothers and men said: okay, mothers bring life. This is something that we should respect and we should honour And this was a historical norm for a very long time and then, as you know, these kind of Hunter gatherer societies moved into more agrarian societies and started to form cultural structures. Men realized overpower that bitch, like I have physical strength, and I can physically put this woman and her play and as they realise that there was a power differential between them, the men were physically stronger. I think that's where a lot of patriarchal wisdom comes from is that men are physically stronger than

When do you think that was in there was? That was realized not until there was, culture and until there was cities- and I think that that was a big part Do you think that that would be a big part of it everywhere? I mean in our primitive cultures. Well, if you who are Hunter gatherer type into your living in a very small tribe and are concerned about kinship, or welfare of your children. Then I think that there certain amount of respect and honour that you are going to pay to your wife, but one I go away with agriculture, wiser go away with so it's not so much agriculture as it is all of the things that come along without agriculture, which is maybe political power which is starting to stratified and have jobs and in it no longer are you making your own clothes, making your own shoes doing your own, ding, doing your own cooking, all this and now you're a cobbler and you're. You know sure and your whatever, and so people have

depend on one another for goods and services and they have to say ok, I'll trade, you this for that, and then money comes into play and bartering and all the sudden, whereas it was a lot more egalitarian before, where everybody kind of had a strong role, because they were taking care of themselves or their very small groups, their family groups now all of a sudden they have a place in society and that I think, where you really start to see subjection of women is because men start too. Develop power within societies and if you look back historically, there are no known societies that were matriarchal societies, but you do see in smaller kind of tribal communities, more matriarchal, ideology, more kind of honouring and worshipping of mother figures and mother gods.

Every time there is a society it becomes patriarchal historically throughout. Over every time, there's no such thing in those and yet all then there's no such thing as those amazonian like women tribe, that you know people talk about like the amazonian women Justice done. That's your girlfriend yeah and that's not a real voting. Later women agreement took care of its a myth. It's a mess of rejoices. So in I don't know, I can't say that that's a cause of it, but those things are highly correlated. Would you think, did that evens out once civilization, society becomes more complex and has so much my point was scarcity, makes people desperate and when people get despot They victimized not just women, but they victim us weak awareness where exact any one week. It's like you know who who are the people that we historically low two for like heroic figures in times of of great stress what people

pull themselves by their bootstraps, got there and kick some fuckin ass people with big muscles too. I mean that's the thing. It's such a brutish in such an underdeveloped away to value strength, to only value strength in like a punch, horrider right, because there's other forms of strength but you're right when people are desperate. People know that that We also think about if you were having an argument with another guy or if some, if something comes to ahead, even at work wherever and you're having. Argument and you can't agree with each other and you start to get more and more frustrated? What's the way in ray film in every book. What the way that it finally get settled you roll up our sleeves and you get in a physical altercation with other, which is just not a form of strength or not a form of settling a score. That's common in like feet in females, it happens,

I don't have it all back basketball, wives here it has thrown down Lydia, they throw it out, but that's like the worst of the worse to counter, not Norma its counter intuitive. But the best way to avoid that with men is martial. Arts dead men a situation where they train and they compete against each other on a regular basis. They don't have this need to dominate each other. The way because I do think that it's a bit stupid, to tat tat? Just Please ignore the role that things like testosterone play in gender dimorphism, in female male differences in humans and and higher order mammals like tat. Lost, her own a is a cat. Gold that actually is highly link. The things like aggression and feeling tension and having this need to rule peace that in some way- and we have less of it- we have significantly less

The bed and some women are more aggressive and some women are completely passive and are never aggressive that way. But there is a significant difference between males and females, and testosterone is big reason for so being able to get that aggression out whether it's on a heavy bag or whether through martial arts or whatever exercises you use. I think, is its irresponsible to think that that's not part of the equation, the devil, As for a man coming from male point of view, I know it makes a significant difference with me whether I can release it or not, but it's also, the come doing. Martial arts and being involved in something that gives you an understanding of what physical confrontation is really all about it. It doesn't it's not the scary thing that Every man has to like puff his chest up to avoid happening or eat, or you go into it completely. Ignorantly thinking it's like a movie sock, some guy, that's gonna, be the end of it in my throat punch them and he moved his head and they like oh shit,

guy actually knows how to fight now, in fact, now try to hit somebody that is now go. Let me hit I'm going to beat me up here. Are a lot of everything comes from fear and it comes from ignorance It comes from other ridiculous, these media depictions of what happens or people hate each other one thinks it drives me fuckin crazy, and I really want to talk to you about this. We want to get in depression. Is hedge like there's so many goddamn movies, where someone hit some the head and they fall down, they get up and they rub their head and there were cold and then they go and they fuckin have crazy fist fight with a hundred people or you know they do they. They make it like, thereby to normal, like large, shut off, and they come back to normal and now or a guy is like. You know this link great moral, largest, is, is in a fight with, like ten other, do right and then he's like punching unease. Kicking and then you know, thing where he like head, but like dunes of garlic, access skull again of the skull alike, multiple p in a row and is like in no way affected by it will help us. It's really weird thing, but the way to do it correctly. It actually is

fact of, because I'm sure the mask dad you use in this party, your head, your forehead and which is a really hard part and you smashed someone in the nose and you're. Not what kind of gives? And yes, it's hook up. Words works like crazy. I wish we had a shot of Redman just that enters a great, a video of a woman knocking a guy out in a bar. This there was some sort of a bar fi in this. This guy was like involved in a fight with this woman's boyfriend and the guy ground. The woman and the woman grabs the guy shirts and slow and when the head right on his nose and the guy goes out cold and goes lamp in its latest. As is like this little woman and this big man and she knocked, with her head evanescent

that they never show that in the movie they never hidden in the nose they hit. Em like in the same part of their head. You can't do that. You can't win, not your hand and you're gonna scramble your brain, her samoan you're, like one those duties with extra big head you'd, get away most people, you smashed the nose. I mean you probably don't let our minds were even seeing that there are just a video, this this girl had. But this do it's fucking hilarious, because all this shit goin on and this girl just grabs is dude and cayos them save you can cut to it, because it's kind of a video file remember correctly. There a lot of shit go, and I are big bar. I because this is, is he punching her? Nothing yeah only add that's insane We ought to know when in this video I don't think this is the same Vinnie. I think this is a different one. In the same video insists that the other

the other videos indoors, that one that one's outdoors but whatever yet like, even in other finding that soccer players are you just a month but the movement of like hitting a bomb in your head over and over and over and over and over causes mile concussive injuries, so yeah cracking people in the sculls. A lot is probably yeah. It's not evaluated well and me, I will obviously I come from this background of not just constantly doing it. My whole life but being around it. My whole I've been around so many guys getting hit in the head, and I have seen them from the big of their career, and then I see them at the end of the current, I see a significant decline and how they

communicate and have I'm sure how they feel they seem like old man when there are nearly forty and depression is a real issue and is one of the reasons why I want to bring this up. As my friend Mark Gordon Doktor Mark Gordon, who is an expert in traumatic brain injury and he works a lot with soldiers and athletes have had significant brain trauma and they have a lot of issues with their hormones. Afterwards, the pituitary gland extremely sensitive, and he wrote a piece connecting Roy been Williams with depression, not based on a lot of factors Mean Robin. Had a lot of things go on. He obviously had substance abuse issues he obviously He had the Parkinson's issue, which was also taken medication for Parkinson's, which has been connected depression, but he also had a heart surgery and his Doktor Gordon's connection was that right

been Williams, having had this major heart valve reprint replacement, which entails many hours, and its visa lowered broad blood pressure and the literature speaks of posts. Cardiac surgery, depression and over a hundred publications and that the prolonged surgery with low blood pressure. They believe precipitates perform a form of she hands syndrome, which is the loss of important brain. Here on interest. Additionally, there is an increase in reverse t three and a decrease in tee three, which can cause relative hypo. I wrote, ISM, dense and also associated with depression. Mark Gordon wrote this whole piece about it and he saying that what people have consider more is like when you take when into a situation where you're fixing their heart, you're you're, all yourself to realise it, there's gonna be some adverse effect. The whole buys can react to this as not just can be about looked your hearts fixed in a. Why so sad This is all or fuckin completely. Whacked now would have played a factor in this that was ignored.

In that something that I think that we ve historically had this really weird approached medicine, which I think is kind of a secondary effect of thinking scientifically and Obviously, I my background is in neuroscience. I worked as a scientist for many years- and I am very much a scientific, thinker and I'm all about the scientific method. But I think, though we some times are at fault when we're a little bit too reductionist dick in our views. And so, if you look at the history of modern medicine of sight, evidence based medicine, what ends up happening Is that we look at a problem and we try to fix the problem and we look at it as if you can somehow cut that piece of the persons physiology completely out them solve it and then put it right back in and it doesn't have any effect on anything else in their bodies. I mean you look at medication right, any any form of pharmaceutical. They all have side effects

If you think about what a side effect is it, it comes down to how medication works a medicine, is a molecule at some sort of molecule that fits into receptor somewhere in your body and the idea you wanted to have really high efficacy. So let's say that I'm somebody who has a problem with blood pressure, for example, or actually listen, jump into depression? Because I've been talking about this? A lot lately around Robin Williams. I had put he'll Martin on my podcast just last week to talk about that. He hoped the mental illness happy hour podcast and has really great insights into mental illness and I, of course, publicly have dealt with depression. Most of my life. I take medication every day I gotta therapy every week, I'm very open about. It is enough for a lot of.

But they would look at EU special people who don't have any issues, the pressure they look, you obviously very intelligent, beautiful young. Why would you be depressed guys, probably tripping over themselves to day you? U year, you obviously very successful in pursuing into actual pursuits. Why would you be depressing enacting laws even like why? What is a lot of people? Don't understand the difference, eating, depression and sadness and they don't understand the progression is a biological illness. They don't given today also dont. Think of it in terms of like the people in terms of white boy. You ve got all these sums like that. You ve got all this. These numbers look, there's all stuck on that almost can can make it worse for certain people, I mean you look at somebody like Robin Williams. Had so much going for him right same as he was loved. He had all this money. How could he be depressed? You didn't have the problems that you are. I have, and you know what then you have this extra layer of guilt. You have this x layer of shame this extra layer of why the fuck am. I still depress, no matter how

success. I get no matter how much money I make no matter how much people me letters and say that they love me and and whatever I can't seem to to beat this feeling inside of me, this constellation of symptoms, because it's not coming from that. It's coming from your brain and is it we are dont, suffer from depression, but I have had many friends who do and I always wondered what it's, because it seems to be that when you go to a doctor and they start treating it whether treated with medication or they try to gesture diet and in prescribe exercise first that there's no like one simple facts are in everybody's completely different and people get people get upset about that, because I think it goes back to tat kind of what I was talking about before which is a me and ring way to two ok so again to go back to this idea of a drug use

The drug. Let's say I taken antidepressant. My antidepressants specifically is a selective, serotonin re uptake inhibitor and assess our I'd. That's called metallic remnants off brand. I think it's Alexa is a brand name. I take that it binds to my serotonin receptors in my brain, it allows me to dump more Sarah tone and into the sin, acts that the gap between two brain cells so that I always have more available. It basically tells my brain that I need more ceremony, so I make more Saratoga available to myself. It's it's a re up inhibitor and so or it sorry. It keeps more serotonin in in the gap instead of sucking it back into the cells. So I always have more available to me now it's molecule. It's got a shape, just like Nothing out there, it has geometry, so it binds to this specific receptor in the brain, because it got a similar shaped too that there are other things in Europe. Body that are similarly shaped, and so what ends happening is when you take a drug, the specificity of the

is only based on whether or not the key fits in a lock somewhere in your body. But let's that you had hundreds of thousands of millions of locks available to you and one key and he started going for you. Stick that in a bunch of loch some of them it might even turn, but your dick. It would fit in the lock of multiple locks hanging on that wall, so wouldn't happen as I take this drug it binds. A brain- it does what it supposed to do in my brain, but it also may be. Does other shit like makes me really fucking tired, or it makes it so I dont want to have sex is often is a side effect, and the reason that you have a side effect is because there's other parts of your body that the drug binds to its same thing with medicine. Like you were saying you opera on somebody's heart the heart is connected to other things. It's it it's the source of blood flow throughout your body. It is connected to hormone levels, there's all sorts

things that can happen when you put somebody under under anesthesia when you cut them open. When you, you know you, you cause an immune response and inflammatory response there. Your body is a whole list, thing, and so when you start jacking with certain things, other things are going to happen. That doesn't mean youth should throw the baby out with the bathwater. But medicine is a risk benefit analysis. All but how did they find the seems to me that they find the right medication by experimentation that they try it such the only way because we don't have any tests. I can't you can't go as Doctor you can't come to me. Stick a needle in my spinal cord, take out my cerebrospinal fluid and measure how much they are tone and I have in it. I wish you could. I wish I could take some sort of a blood test or I could you know p and a cop, and then you could analyze that p and say your low on serotonin. You need an

as our eye, that would be what works for you, because other people's depression comes from problems with dopamine come some problems with nor open. For an or some combination thereof, but there's no test for it. If fuckin socks there's no test for it and so what ends happenings you have to play musical chairs, you try it maybe this is the first drug. I try for aunt when I decided to finally go and antidepressants fucked me up so bad ES, Andy our eye as selective Sarah tone and nor up and Efron dopamine RE uptake, inhibitor, so fucking depressed, I couldn't function and we decided, let's through the book at it. Let's take the drug of all drugs, the monster drug. That does everything and I couldn't sleep. For a week I felt like I was on straight up: crank like on cod. Stop. Do you go London? I quit smoking quit smoking. It was often that when I quit smoking, that's an important point that terrible for your body, horror, bondage who do anything to try to naturally stimulus

your body to produce more serotonin. Did you try a lot of exercise Delia? Did you a gesture diet? Baiting quit smoking did I mean ultimately, when you got on the drugs it for you didn't trust, on the drug for a week. So as soon as I got off the drug again, I immediately wanted to smoke again. But at that point I push through it, and I said you know I'm I met my with that. My lowest point. I've ever been so sick, fuck it getting worse, and I did I quit smoking and it's been a couple years, but I did I tried, but the truth is This is why addiction, researchers so important. This is why researchers go into the lab with a bunch of mice or whatever, and they feed him a bunch. Ok in and they you know, do these different kind of experiments where we ve heard of the famous experiment where you have the mouse in the cage, and it's got a bar pressing paradigms accomplished bar gets coke and then like it, just fuckin does that until it dies like it like theirs, food right next door and it's like no, I want more coke and then it just you know, dies, and

So the obviously there's something happening. This is a natural phenomenon, because mice dont have value judgments. They're, not thinking about this from a religious perspective there men are no. Maybe I should stop doing this coke and maybe exercise a little more and that'll. Give me the same kind of high it overwhelms thing it's such a strong addiction. Does nicotine of the same sort of addictive properties? Nicotine is all the more addictive nicotine hasn t natural in a natural form is not hang as far as, like small idea thing nicotine still addictive, even if you're talking about like a vapor yet or something like that- and I am talking about like like traditional methods of it like the way they would smoke tobacco pipe or in a cigar. Sometimes it's not, the other thing is as addictive, but it still addictive. I mean it still: it's that the nicotine, as the molecule that studied in laboratories, it's not the tar, it's not the shit that comes in the papers. Now, that's what like has much more carcinogenic properties, but nicotine itself is highly addictive and that's the molecule that studied in in research

nicotine, but isn't MC teen itself. It doesnt actually have some medicinal benefit, the does it actually Neuro Protective, so can protect against Parkinson's, while so yeah smoke you wanted parkin from well. I wouldn't say that, but there is some evidence in the lab that animals that were given nicotine had lower incidents rate Parkinson is it is a dangerous and might the form that people take it. As far as I got more much less much much less dangerous, but the goal still would be to get off of nicotine because the reason there, The gum is cause they're still addicted to it, but is there a way to take a small amount of it gives you those neuro protective properties, but it's not dangerous, possibly I Mama but I think it would be important for us to see more research to see how how

again, it's a risk, benefit analysis like is it really that beneficial? I don't know it's hard to say: what's the dose response curve, how much would you have to take for it to be beneficial? The thing about depression is threatening to me is that there are some correlations between how well your life has gone. Do you relationship relationships. Are you happy with what you choose to do your day? I had a friend who is, he was on like some serious assess our eyes and they changed his life. They got him east equipped as business, he quit his job rather stars on business, got involved in relationship and then once you got a really good, Is he slowly weaned himself off the antidepressants and now his great yeah, and that happens to a lot of people? And so I think that there is a different one have to understand too, is of course all psychiatric disorders are spectrum D. There is right, there really extreme examples and there's barely any examples, and if anybody who's ever taken a site course or who studied you know, if you are,

like major college. You know that, as you studied the DSM for which is like it's called the diagnostic and statistical manual that they use in psychiatry in psychology swiftly, the big bible of all the things you can be diagnosed with, the more you study at the more you're like I have that. Oh I have that totally fucking have that and you realize everybody has, everybody can can Vince themselves, that they have these. It's like web em you know what I mean. So it's only since it is sufficient Lee Detrick until two, your life, that it affects your relationships that affects our ability to work. It affects or health, whatever the case may be, and usually with in the d s M there, maybe like eight things- and it's like you- have five out of these things- and so anybody can read it and go. Oh, I felt depression before, but what they dont realises. There is a difference between depression and sadness. There's also a difference between parity, depression, so depression that lasts years decades and the type of depression that people get that directly linked to life events.

Can that draw your dog dies. You look what a big one you looser broken job like we ve seen so many document trees. Lately about this, as the economy took a downturn, people lose their job in the name of committing suicide because they can't it's like this cascade of off that's a really common one in a family, Amber dies. You have still born or you haven't Where are you? Are you have a baby, a healthy baby, post partum depression is incredibly common and in case. That's much more common that people can take meds. They can do all these things and once they get back to where they were before that horrible life event there, okay to get off off the MEDS, some people are able to get their depression, managed without medication perfectly Well it, but it's the people aren't is the different reactions. Are different. People have two different medication. Is it because their depression has a different source or is it?

stay biodiversity living it's more of a biodiversity thing than a source. They I mean, as source is hard to say so. Depression is both when you think about it. We will brain in mind are the same thing. Most modern neurosciences say that brain a mind are two sides of the same coin. That mind is just an emergent property of brain nobody's. Duellist anymore. They dont think that you can like heal the mind and it has no effect on the brain because it's the same fuckin thing. So there are, you know: some people's depression comes from the fact that their doping me levels or are not healthy or their northern effort levels are not healthy or whatever the fuck, but I think that the common view of depression now is that there is some sort of biological difference in your brain and oftentimes. That's either com. Or it develops out of childhood or early life experiences where you know you have sort of trauma, or you have some sort of developed

You have some sort of you know: interaction with family, whatever the case may be an it doesn't have to be. You know you are molested as attack. It can literally just be like you didn't, feel blob door for the case may be, and you ve got this brain difference combined with this emotional experience and what ends up happening, because when you're very young, your brain is very plastic, so very younger learning skills that are gonna? Last you, the rest of your life, in your actually building your brain architecture. Certain neurons are connecting and disconnecting and reconnecting and pruning out the tree. The beautiful tree that is all of the cells in your brain is getting pruned when you're young end, if your depressed, when you're young and your experiencing those kinds of things when you're young you're going to prove a tree that prone to depression as you age, because you're gonna keep Enforcing those neuronal connections? That's wife therapy is so important men's in an of themselves,

never going to get you in a place where your depression is really well managed. It's going to get you in a place where therapy is gonna, be working better for you, men are going to be an immediate and necessary interventional strategy so that you're not crying or you're, not trying to kill yourself or you're, not whatever your symptoms of so you can actually fucking get out of bed to work on yourself. That's what measures are. Therefore meds keep me from sting in bed older. That's a variable, though, finding the right councillors gotta be. Incredibly. Does it's tough? It's like I always like in it to the women who are listening to pocket. I like it unto you when you were first deciding to go and birth control in a lot of women we'll go to their kind just when there are fifteen. Sixteen seventeen and say I wanna go on birth control and they'll, give them worth or try cycling or whatever the pill, the regular old pale and they'll be fine. A lot of women will take the pill. The first

and it'll, make them really sick like every time they take the pill it makes him want to throw up or it gives them cramps or something's weird about it, affects us, and the goal of this drug doesn't work for me. Fuck, ok, let's try, one with lower levels of estrogen progesterone released, try the ring or the Dep or Provera shot, or maybe you need an eye. You d, I was like that it took multiple times to find the right drug, and I think it's the same thing with therapy. I think it's the same thing with psychiatric medicines: it's not worth much, not monolithic, so the same combination isn't gonna work for everybody and the truth is if that makes you afraid of modern medicine or if it makes you think that psychotic these will or something like that. It's the same thing as cancer many ways there. So many parallels cancer is not one disease. It's a spectrum of diseases. If I got diagnosed with breast cancer and you got diagnosed with breast cancer and we both went in

with our diagnosis. The same day are on. Colleges would give us different treatment because we have different genetic markers. We would respond differently to different types of chemotherapy. Chemotherapy means chemical therapy. It's a really big umbrella term for all the different kinds of cancer treatments that are available. Maybe you get more radiation. Maybe I would need surgery, but your metastasis would make it so that surgery wasn't a viable option. It's it's a spectrum, disease and psycho drug illness or the same way. The variable, though the council has to become a weird Where do I find someone that you can confide in whole heartedly and it takes time around? and finding the correct sex right, whether or not as some men would do better with women councillors. I have a male counselor like I would never twenty I've, a male therapist, but I have a female go to college I would never in a million years let a dude like put speculators, and may am I dig around in my cervix, but I'm totally comfortable

With a male therapist, I have a friend who went to a male gonna colleges in the mill gynecologist, texture and acid. Are you so rightly said? like she's kind of a flirt she might have put out there crazy their minds. We have what's the jet appetites, Lord Atwater oil is given in there, you have. You have obviously never had a path I ever knew. I have inputs. Girls are dirty bitches, put in a good way. What's the jet appetite movie with knocked up? no one and she goes to the doktor and it's her sisters doctor and he's like. Oh, I recognize you now like setting foot there in this. Some do dig around your true. I could never. I just can never I'm glad that I, like I'm glad it's twenty fourteen and there are plenty of female.

Did you I m available, because back in the day you had a male gotta college arise. There were only do doctors whoa there there would be really the need for a guy to have a woman doktor. That's checking out your general styled. The odd is what you think so, but you have even female doktor before right grab your balls. What you call that was shut up without the issue like the man would be. The predator said. The doktor the female doctor would have to deal with, especially was an attractive female doctor would have to deal with the dude being an excited about women's economic balls, not sure keep doing that. She probably today about a measure for fucking ashore. Well, there's you know I was talking to a friend about this today and he is pre philosophical, older guy and he was he's been through two divorces and he was talking about how sex starved so many people are like you're dealing with all these scenario

his way like all this guy was a creep, and the sooner this woman is ridiculous and the army Are there that no one's touching and they are so hungry just to be held, and I I mean this is a minor story, but when I was when I first came, California, a dynamic friends came from New York and I wasn't happy. I wasn't happy as I did enjoy acting, I didn't enjoy being around actors, and I didn't have any friends and it wasn't didn't, have a girlfriend dynamic dates, and I I got a hug from this girl. Said and I'll never forget that feeling of that hug because it wasn't like a sexual hug. It was a friend me a hug, and when she came the heart it was like my my level one but not sexual. It was like love

Like I gotta, I got tat, she had a love. Boner got touch first, I'm in like a couple weeks here and I was like all you need. At least this is important for people. It's totally important for people, there's all sorts of hormones like a cascade of hormones that you set off, win You are affiliated when you're You know close to body else and it's absolutely necessary and can go back to what we are talking about. Aggression, legate, a male female difference. I also I strongly that man men have a deep need that slightly different than than women that our sexual needs are much or affiliated an emotional, and there is some physiological basis for female sexual need. Don't get me wrong, like any girl can tell you She's had this craving this, this passionate, killing where she's like I just need to com- or I just need to you- Know- have sex or somebody, but

Men, there's literally a back up of fluid that you have to release that's a very different physiological thing than women and of That goes back to testosterone. So the same thing is, we're. Staying Emma may can be really helpful for clearing the mind and for lowering her your base levels of aggression. I think coming does the same thing. I think it's healthy forgot to jerk off, if they're not having a lot of sex, because guys can get pent up and be aggressive because are not coming enough. I also get desperate. I Santiago yeah. I heard a joke about it. There was a whole descriptive called jerk off. First, then think about it Anything you thinking about doing, live anywhere you gonna make you get married, that's good! then think about you know you decide to do. There's gonna buy back car. You gonna do this unit by those clothes jerk off first If you really want to wear alligator shoes, what what are you? Why are you wearing attract a certain person and that's it

we talk about the little head and people guys thinking with that head or wherever. There is a really big, neuronal link there. There are hormones that affect your dick the same way they affect your brain, and so you can't pretend again that your cock is somehow completely disconnected from your email genes from your feelings. We, you will not have in all Have you looked at it if, objectively, if you looked at the human beings on this planet as like a giant mathematical equation, you'd say: ok, why are there oh fuck, and many of them because there's is intense need breed and this intense need. The breed was back when it was really difficult to stay alive in a week. Essentially the same organism that used to get cut down by each other by animal predators, natural illnesses, disease, injuries. We ve only been around for two hundred thousand years and are in our current for homo sapiens as a species. So before two hundred thousand years ago, or talking about something that

different enough from US evolution, airily speaking to be a difference, species homo sapiens, two hundred thousand years old, that long enough for a little bit of evolution. Yes, we are have changed in some ways but that's not long enough for that much evolution in May he weighs biologically psychologically evolution, airily speaking you're right. We the same organism that was like calling out of the trees strongly primitive and again, when you also talk about the biodiversity there's some four, There are just more fuckin primitive today, elaborately morn, animal mystic or more kinetic an end, the range is so massive when we talk about what is quote normal and what is hyper in what is hypo so many people are so different and that's why it's cool to see when people actually manage to partner up or whatever sexual or emotional partnerships makes sense for

whether their monogamous or polygamous, whether there you know gay straight somewhere in between it, so cool. When you see people make it work, because there, on the same page, when there so many differences that exist out there, when two people go you're awesome we're three or four whatever and they go you're. Awesome I mean to you, were into the same stuff: we abide by the same rules, we have the same sexual proclivities and it works like how fucking Who is that because there so many combinations out there, the when those magnet those two ends of the Maghreb? kind of find each other in that way, it's it's pretty dough Blake! It's not! That common! Will. Like when you are talking about molecules and receptors. It's almost like the gift of the right yeah it only do you also have to be a good molecule yeah. I know it's like how many people truly have their shit together to the point where anybody would want to be with them, and so many people are so goddamn codependent, so fucked up. Then they lay cannon.

Fact anyone because their own biology their psychology there that the mix that makes them a person is just so chaotic. You can expect happy in a relationship is you're not happy alone. Yet there has to be equity in a relationship like you can't suck the lake it like a vampire and a relationship. We have to offer somebody just as much as you get from them and you have to be. Like you said very stand alone, I mean that's a common theme for me: Thereupon is this conversation about if I am in a relationship feeling very confident uncomfortable because I have like an inn, sane fear of committing

I because I'm so used to thinking about our relationship as if it's a prison sentence and I've been really really learning what it means to be in a relationship with my fair pest and how the idea of living for now is a healthier way to look at life like. I, don't have to think about hard core future kinds of conversations like if I'm comfortable with myself right now- and I can be comfortable with a partner right now and not have all this psych sense of intense obligation. That's where that codependent stuff comes from and that's what I think is so incredibly unhealthy and our relationship. It's like I'm gonna, bring my best self to the table and hopefully I'll find a partner that does the same.

Thing instead of meeting a partner which is a common motivation for people to get in relationships. I need somebody else. I can't handle it on my own woman. You're, not gonna, end up working it out because all those variables to like the sexual variable, the emotional variable there there's somebody. Different things that are going on and then it's almost like. Ok, I found this waterhole. I can't leave finally found water. I was a lot like that, my experience of going so weeks without being hugged, and then being like- and I was just a friend- was somewhat on the set the difference between that and someone who's gonna years without a relationship that really work than you finally have one that works and you fuck it up cause. You too,

damn clinging crazy. Where are you? Where are you weren't, you home? Touching you? Why you're taking back immediately and like that kind of shit is what makes me run out the door script? That's what I'm talking about when I talk about my quoting quote: fear of commitment. What it really is, is it it's an intense feeling of stress when I feel obligated to somebody else so soul in the healthiest relationships I've been in their their relationships, where there's not a lot of jealousy not a lot of possession, not a lot of that checking in these cause. It's just trust, trust each other and when you're really into somebody, you wanna be around them and you spend time with them. But when you want be around your friends there not like. Where are you weren't checking in. When are you coming home? It's like fuck off, do like I want to be with you if it's gonna be like this. There are friends or down their brutal and you gonna cut him off. Yet you do because I've done that Codependent sing and what happens when you end up with two people were like that with each other ratios,

and they less and less learn how to exist on their own, so them when they finally do break it off, because it's obviously unhealthy, then their box. Then it takes all this healing. To get back to place where their independent again yeah, that's so true, and that its a weird thing when you find those two people that like they, they can't be apart they literally they dont they go everywhere together. There are you ever is altogether rose like nobody wants to be around their friends like that? Don't you it's a kind of all friends, You have no, for I am your friend fought fade out with targeted, where I mean all my shit friends, you shipwrecks cutting off shit. Friends, the color for my friends just me, my girl out their ride motorcycles, wiping the order you get. You just realized why? My friends with these people that happens here? That's true. We win your younger. You need a lot of support and oh and I think the order you get the more you value year alone, time and the more you realize that good relationships and good friendship should feel like work

and when they start to feel like work you're like fuck, if too many obligations and responsible and one off or to be friends. At the outset. I have a lot of friends that are like super empowering like when I'm around them. I want to do better. I wanna be better, I'm gonna get stimulated in. I think, better my mind, fun. I got my might be inspired. You know, I'm very lucky to have that now. You know you are talking about your experience when you first came to LOS Angeles and and not having a lot of friends and kind of being depressed, and so when I first move to allay. I was in New York usually not that comfortable talking about this, but for some reason I'm going to right now living in New York in those working on my phd and then I started dating bill more like that's. Why I came to LOS Angeles is because we started dating. I was living in New York, I kind of come and go and see him.

We weren't committed to each other? I bet a life on the West or on the east coast. He had his life here on the West Coast and eventually we got close enough that we decided hey, let's give this thing ago and so is like fuck it. I was actually really not happy in my degree programme. So in some ways it was a double whammy, I was very happy to be exploring a deeper relationship with this guy that I had grown to love and also I was, more and more, not happy with my situation in New York, and so it was a new opportunity. I move to allay in? We ultimately ended a dating very seriously for about three years- and that was my my first Ella experience- was bizarre as fuck dating somebody who is incredibly famous in the public eye who had a lot of money. There is a big equity problem in the relationship. I didn't know what I was going to do with my life. I had just left my degree programme. I was searching for answers and I was a young like twenty four, but I had no friends, none

I was friends of people in their fifties like that. That was my social circle and yeah. I would meet people like out, hang out with Sarah Silverman a little bit or that they weren't really. My friends, I was the come along. I was the girlfriend and they were all very nice to me and I was a weird life, but it was almost like. I was living somebody else's like, and I was pretty depressed and very lucky to have my best friend at the time, Kelly, was still living in Dallas, where I grew up and a kind of worked with her and hooked up with the job working with Bell. She ended up becoming his wardrobe Stuyvesant. She does that to this day, which is really amazing. It was a huge opportunity, until she always wanted to come to so and now. She's, even incredible, celebrity out before met this great job friends and I was very lucky when she first came out. Maybe six months later we got an apartment together. I finally had somebody, but I just had her, and it took probably in

just a couple of years ago. So now that's maybe been five years out before I met this group of friends that we effectually call each other than nerd brigades, Yes, we have taken, brigade on Twitter all the time, and there there, like one of my best friends, just finished her php molecular neuroscience from Caltech. One of my other best friends got his p. Gee from U S c and animal cognition. I have a friend to another neuroscience student at Caltech. I have a friend to has, marine biology to greet their all like science, communicators, writers, academics, but poor young, edgy, fun people who, like we get each other we're friends, because we have a latin com and it took a long time to get close to these people and to meet them and to finally fuck is allays a fucking, hard city. If you're used to living in a university town, like there. It so hard to her with you in will reverse. I was in debt and tax

that's. Where did my undergrad and my masters at the universe? Ignore Texas and then yeah I was in New York City, but I was living in queens, specifically Forest hills, because I would take the bus to flushing every dated two Queen college. That's where I was working on my phd at the City University of New York graduate Centre between colleges, my campus, and I m a lot of my friends- live in Pasadena still, which is very much a college town because their cows, they work, Caltech students and now they're, working there or or some of the whistle taken courses, but I saw I mean Brian's shook his head like Elliot hard to meet smart people in this city. It's so full of fucking, vapid people and people. Who will I learned this. De, I moved to allay dating somebody who was like an aimless celebrity and all of a sudden. I was like. Why do you wanna be front,

With me, what's going on, I also day I've dated another very, very famous person in my life, where I do, I dont publicly talk about that relationship at all just to respect each other's privacy, but I would learn things about people like I had this one group of friends. Why thought where my friends, and I remember dating this person and being like hey, you want to come to because there are oh, but you know someone, thought that you might wanna play tennis, we're gonna, do it at so, and those house also one's own. There oh yeah, I'm totally down, and you would get that all the time this lake is that why you're friends of me away thing is very bizarre. If such a weird experience said, I think, a lot of people. Do I never even adjured but are also has opened a million doors me like how d you think what I was too three years old, you know cutting up my sore or birds and digging around in their brains, fit. I always I was going to be a bench scientist and that's what I was gonna do and I hated it. I love teaching Kennedy

doing the lab work because, like ok, this is the path I more, MRS fuck. It but he had told me: oh you're gonna be in media you're gonna, be on that Rogan podcast. You can start your own podcast to gonna, be on television. I'd like your fucking out of your mind, like I'm scared of camp, when I was Texas at sixteen I tried out for season two of american idol using yeah I was addressing. I think that much work and I made it through four callbacks in season to have. And I thought I made it worthy producers- the executive produces Morgan. I finally got to three judges who were they at the main ones like Randy and Paula, Simon Cow and so that was the last audition you do before you go and how will it right- and you know I didn't get in all three of Them- said like you're, not that we like your voice. We, like your look. I was told upon crocodile had like short spiky hair and my lip ring in the arm

is very Avril, Levine kind of a look back then, and they were like. Oh, we love at all your dear. The total package knows a crate and then I audition and there are like you're not going through belie like you, are not tv ready. I was so afraid of the cameras. I like didn't: have that dynamic personality that all of the reality tv stars have or their like? I'm going, when this competition is I'm the best. I just walked up a nose like. Are you ready for me it s like it was. I I was meagre, didn't have that that kind of self assertive thing going on to developer, I think I did. I think it happened from for an end to it. I think what happens is when you're, like ok, I'm just work. I men in the lab, although I taught between then, and now I've taught like a million courses so that helps you stand up in front of a classroom, you don't understand. I call us to figure this out together upon the White Board. In you're helping the students, so that helps with your confidence for sure, but also, I think

thrown into I come to allay, and it's like. Oh, let's go to the Amis with walk this red carpet. Let's do and then you know all the sudden in the room with all these in a really important people- and you don't even know who they are like, I would go to parties where ever single person, there was a celebrity and the people you didn't recognize you didn't recognize because they owned movie studios because the weirdest feeling and once you realize, I'm not that different from these people, I can have a conversation with them like anyone else, and I will talk about science, I believe, it is often let me tell you the story and the girl that's kind of interesting and then eventually, bill was like need to be doing this on television. You need to be trying this at least because I think you'd be good at it. He completely and utterly push me into this and I thank him every day for because I never would have done it without his help. Wended depression storm when a child will, so you were doing with your Mahala o completely, some of those years like when I was dating Bill or when I would be moving. Those are some of the worst years, because resource trustworthy

frown and because I was a boy I was unmeditated yeah I didn't taking medication until about three years ago, real while twenty. And did you try other methods, you drive divergent P, Tria yeah dried, some things and I I've been in therapy. My whole life, my parents, first put me in there be when they first started to decide that they were thinking about getting a divorce, and I was young maybe six or seven. So from the time. I remember I've understood that therapeutic process. They always early promoted, that in me, so that even after the divorce and the re marriages, and all of that, I started doing that it did the therapy thing on my own I went to college and I was very much on my own. I went cauldron of sixteen by the way lived on my own at sixty hours, fucking, weird kit yeah, so I was a

I'm an adult, but I wasn't I did that I went to their b. I did all those things where myself, but I always had this mental block. I always had this lake O Eternit, meds meds means you really crazy. Meds means you really don't have control and not until I kind of hit a very bad rock bottom, a few maybe three years ago. Did I finally say you know what fuck I've. I think I actually have to do this. I think it would be good for me and then it was the same experience that I've heard over and over and over from people where, Finally, they get on the Med set a right for them and they calibrate to their dosage, and maybe there they ve been on for about two months, and they just have this epiphany of like why the fuck did I wait so long. I could have felt like this. My whole life. What the fuck was. I think because you're so societal Lee we're so wrong with to looking at mental illness, the same Look at physical illness we're so it so easy

Martin just made this point when he on my podcast last week, if you went up to somebody with diabetes type one day. Babies and you're like what the fuck dude. Why don't you just think more Is it of Lee so that Europe painters makes more insolent like what what's wrong with you? Why can't you just make more insulin? It's like they ve liquidity, talking about the same thing with depression, people, but the onus on like the they look at it like it's a disease of will, but it's not it's it's a biological illness and

that's just very hard for people to understand, and so what you end up doing his carrying around a lot of guilt and shame and a lot of feelings like I'm, not good enough. I can't will myself out of this. If I just think more positively. It's not about that, and I do that for years years you just deal with any I destroyed, so many relationship are, can only imagine are clearly emerged, bring trapped in the scenario, but a mom also very sensitive to the variables that different people go through with their bodies. Paypal thyroid, as am I have to take forward medication under my family. My mother level. Has it too, and I know I know I should get headaches these weird headaches at the end of the day, or else like so far I could fall asleep in it, wasn't like it wasn't like ours like now. I get tired

sleep, but it was like I could falsely just watch tv and be out flick. Eight hours you didn't make any sense was weird tired, like eyes in pain. So why- and I get these weird headaches then, once I finally got medications like nay killing. Oh, this is this is what other people feel like right like? I thought I was normal because that's another thing there such a stigma in this country. Not about mental illness, but about any sort of illness where people can't openly freely talk about it. So you end up living in this weird bubble where you don't really like, I know, people that have mental illness that didn't even realize they had mental illness until they finally had a conversation with a doctor about and they were like. Oh, this isn't normal link, not everybody doesn't hear voices or everybody doesn't it's like yeah,

these are so afraid to talk to somebody in road it. So that's I mean that's a really important part of this, I think, is just getting past the stigma. That's why, when something like this with Robin Williams, which are so fucking depressed happens a lot of people rally around it and they say hey. Maybe we can use this as a teaching moment, because this guy, no matter how good his life was. He had this thing that he ultimately couldn't kick and it wasn't his fault it just is that way sometimes and k? Maybe you have it too. I think in some ways it's good when high functioning people come out and talk about their illnesses, because then people who are actually experiencing things like loss of employment, loss of a loved one whatever or who have had a bad go of it, for other reasons are like even you, like. You said before, like even you, but you're, pretty or but you're successful year. Whatever will, if you could have that, then of course it's

not weird that I happy you know it's like it's a good thing for people to be able to see that they are not alone, like that. You and in its also there's a bunch of people that a tribute other people's depression really irresponsibly to a bunch of different things. Like I have a guy in the park S last week, there was saying that Robin Winged killed himself because his wife's this ex wife costs money as if he knows it off without oh yeah, it's like I'm so glad you're such an ex where he was saying there was women's addiction to free stuff. That was Congress is so that's horrible and in it makes you want to be like Hulu. Fucker you to presume that you know what's happening. Somebody else's had ever known. We that its and soon we irresponsible to go against the grain of science and medicine, which is clearly established that it's an illness, stringent limits yeah, and I think that that something to that a lot of people to understand the same way, we're so comfortable with concepts of

diagnosis and cure because we're so used to things like flew cold. You know tonsil infection whatever, where you take an antibiotic, you take an antiviral or you just wait in your immune system clears the disease were used to catching thing and then eliminating them. But when you have disease states that are process states like cancer like diabetes, like mental illness, there's no cure per se like even ice. I gotta tweet just earlier today from somebody who is like blah blah blah. Have you ever thought about bottled water, curio depressions like I'm not cured? depression, because I take a telegram. I'm in treatment puts fairly and treatment the rest of my life. Do you believe as a person is a neuroscientist, is it possible that they could eventually come up with something that balance is your brain now, instead of just adding something to your neuro chemistry, which sort of enhances your serotonin levels, but rather some

that where they can get it at a genetic level? I hope so. I mean I really hope that we're starting to see major improvements in cancer biology with personal genomics medicine, my fear with genomics and is only not put a dark cloud on it, because I think that it has like amazing prospects. My fear is that it's going to further increase the kind of class divide where you ve got people who are sick, because sickness strikes rich and poor the same, but for some reason reason we are a very class based system, and I think that you are going to see that rich people get those kinds of treatments and poor people don't and that that kind of scares me doesn't. It always is with anything underwritten technologies. Member in the old days, the Wall Street phone number them

Whilst we were Michael D Fuckin Stupid found, it was like a huge statuses. Wrappers used to happen videos most people can afford a phone. Now I gotTa Brazil, all the time for the EU of Sea and I've gone to these poor neighbours to see people on cell phones. Oh, you see it in in african nations, where their nineteen there isn't enough. Malaria. Medication by I mean there's this huge malaria push right now, how to increase awareness- and you know you can get mosquito nets, you can do malaria tests on your family? You do it all for your cellphone, because, as very common for people have cell cell service, or maybe not service, but to have access to a cell phone, because the technology is getting cheaper and cheaper. So, yes, I do think that, time always tells and that hopefully, eventually, that kind of stuff trick. Down, but I wish I didn't have to trickle down. I wish medication. I wish health and wellness were a more egalitarian enterprise that one of the biggest problems, I think, with the structure of american government and being sought

capitalist society which I'm all about capitalism, don't get me wrong. I think we need to be a socialist capitalist blend. Just like we are. We have a lot of socialist systems in our country, the mail, a socialist educate, public education. As socialists, we have a lot of capitalist systems in this country. I hate that health care is a for profit, system in America. It makes no sense to me that the argument is obviously the people who work hard. There are more ambitious, become better at. It should be rewarded for that and that's what's going to motivate them to work harder, be the best heart surgeon to be the best brain doctor to be the best. You know the guy who fixes bone at whatever, by the time you're, a brain surgeon and your license brain surgeon, you're, a fucking, good, brain surgeon like you, you don't get through a ten year, residency you you get your surgical degree and then you have a ten year residency before you become a neurosurgeon through that and you're like a sub par neurosurgeon Europe, your foot,

incredible nerves Arthur the best of the best like this. There is the best of the best, and if those people want to do private practice, on top of it, that's fine but Roger drags on top of the social medicine gathers at There- has to be a national health service station has to be. I agree with the hearing. The problem here is the problem fundamentally, and I it's very if you can provide me an argument that solve this problem for a capitalist healthcare system. Then I'm all about two- and I don't mean you, but I mean anybody listening, I'm all about hearing it. The problem is that when you have a capitalist system, that's a competition based system for profit. What ends up happening, that people compete. That's how it works right. You compete in a lot of times. They say that's what drives prices down is that you compete in prices, get better and then you, for you know the best part whatever. But what ends up happening when you have for profit healthcare is that illness is incentive

Wellness is not people make more money the sick or you get people make more money, the more procedures you have to get people make more the longer you stay in the hospital and the minute, I'm not saying, there's some grand conspiracy to keep people sick, but if you ve got an industry like the insurance and pharmaceutical and for profit hospital industry where the profit comes from sick, Where is the incentive to get people? Well, I'm not saying that doctors aren't very noble people. They are and they work every day. Doctors, nurses, other health care officials to get people better but the system means itself does not incentivize wellness, it incentivize sickness at that very basic level. It's a bit broken because, somewhere along that chain, people are gonna, take advantage, they're going to say

I make more money if this guy has to stay in the hospital extra day or make more money. If this guy has to get this cortical unnecessary procedure, all the way across the board the sicker, you are, the more money goes into the system and that's really gross its gross. There are certain things that capitalism dont work on, and I think that wellness, which is a basic human right, is one of those things it just doesn't make sense its fundamentally incompatible with that type. Of monetary system with his emerges, taking into account only people that do the wrong thing, and but people who do the right thing who motivate themselves to become the best orthopedic surgeon and treat the Lakers and fix all their knee issues, and these people rise the occasion shouldn't they be. Reward totally in the turn, the pool is not the surgeon trust is the insurance company. It's the pharmaceutical company, it's, occasionally to search, and I have a friend who, when he was young, might my friend Aubrey when he was young

daddy a resort and he he clearly remembers these doctors bragging about. He talked some guy to getting a surgery and because those buying a Porsche yeah, no there, the overture besought, so the fact that it even trickles down to the people who took the hippocratic oath, the people who we think of his being them. Noble of the most noble of citizens in this country, if it even trickle to them. How is it going to fact somebody's? wishing paper at the insurance company, where you're just a number on a piece of paper, you're, just a statistic run and you're a bottom line. You're not always agree on this. That is the answer to cut out that aspect of it that the insurance company is, though, that the issue, and that really social, medicine would be commentating. The doctors and the doctors would still be potentially able to rise yeah mean that the others that would be. My answer is the same. I think

as any other industrialized western nation, we're the only industrialize western nation that doesn't have national healthcare. So what ends up happening? Is you have a public option? You have the option to have a health care system that is free and available to you, and it has basic levels of treatment and care for anything that could go wrong with you and their doctors. You can see in their hospitals. You can go to if you want to go private this. It's the same way that we have education in this country. I had an amazing public education. I have friends who went to private school. Their parents wanted them to go to private school good. For them? They may have had a better education. The me they may not have because there were still mazes teachers available and an incredible infrastructure in place for me to get it in credit education is now get logged in the road spot or you can be in the Ehler unified school system and have fuckin horrible edge and that that is a problem with the gentrification and with segregation and with again I think, some of the problems

capitalist society, It is certainly a problem in how we view and what you know what we think about in terms of where our money should go like if we had so we had private, eyes, police force and privatized fire. Like every time your house was on fire, you had pay someone to come in and fix the issue and put the fire out like my God. It's happened before it's happened there, yet you can find stories on mine of people living in regions where they have like a privatized fire service like for pay fire service and my people's health the burnt down to show this more, to put it out a weird area, like some rural area, exactly imagined. That was an urban issues like we did. It is with healthcare, men, healthcare. You could be in the biggest most populated city in the world and those poor people who don't I've healthcare. Yet I think then, if society is going to offer basic services Police force fire for the fire department,

listen it's gotta, be gotta, be one of the driving anything is when you put the kind of money into preventive care, that's necessary! You end up having so much money on the back and when people who cannot afford to go to the doktor until they have a festering wound or until they have allowed the cancer to spread whatever are going to the doktor early on and they're getting a check up because they can afford it, because it's Frida them when you ve got somebody who's living on the street, whose obviously gonna be subject to much more infection, much more disease because they just their living in squalor if they can go to the door. Is there on a regular basis and get a check up? They're not going to be then going to the doctor later to get some multi thousand dollar procedure that the hippocratic oath they have to do. This if somebody goes into and they're like fucking arm is hanging off and no doctor's going to be like. I can't reattach your arm, you're just going to die they're going to do it gonna build these people and their never gonna fucking pay their bills cause. I can't afford to and you and I are going to absorb back-

asked in are in the money that we're paying. Insurance with, does not go back, we talk about people live in squalor that goes back to the mental illness issues. Well, because you that's a massive per cent of those people that are wandering around homeless, such an important point, and I was there them while ragged administration, they change the standards they let loose. I remember I was a kid and our member being in New York and seeing all these fuckin people wandering. I came in New York for a Marshall tournament during their Reagan, administration and I remember like the people were talking in- I was young. I was a teenager and these adults we're talking about these- that also they changed. The men health standards and they were releasing all these people, and I was I what just releasing them, they were taking these people that were in mental institutions. They change the standards of what you needed to keep these people in these facilities and they were just really

on the streets. There is yeah locks. There were two massive releases. There was one in the fifties when held all first came on the market, which is an anti psychotic, which was a major improvement in psychiatric care. So all of a sudden, you had people who were schizophrenia, who had delusional kind of disorders and you could treat them, and so these people, who were like basically just being fed and watered and asylums were given held all and they could lead functional lives again. So there you saw a big change in the way that mental health services happened. You no longer had the asylum population, and then he started having more this idea of like a mental health facility and then again, during the Reagan and his administration use, you saw a big release. The problem there was it was, it was really in name only there would they want getting any better treatment. They were just put out on swedish change. The stemmed exactly, and so you ve got these people that are put out on the street and it's it's again. There's a don't get me wrong. I

I mean look at me like I like a set of moved out when I fuckin sixteen a busted, my ass, my whole life to like work really hard. I got a good education and I ve no even coming to LA with bill. He opened a bunch of doors from a fucking walk through those doors. I made sure that I was as responsible as possible. I am all about fiscal and personal responsibility. I have a maze, credit, I have no debt, but I So no that, as a nation were only as strong as the weakest amongst us and there are certain people to whom those types of standards just can't apply, because their their ill What's a spectrum issue? Is an ant ladders there so many variables that when, when people like to look at these issues and look at him in a black and white terms, I am a liberal. So I think this conservative, so I think that an that's really You know I have a lot of ideas that are very liberal and a lot of ideas that are fairly conservative. This there's a there is This real issues with picking aside like that assertion,

come to ideology. It's just too lazy, weighed and think it's you're, not thinking you're, letting somebody else thing for you. I get a lot of hate when I come on your podcast, but also when I go on the young, Turks anytime. I talk about GM foods or genetically modified crops in any way, and because what of happening? Is people look at me and they go? Oh you're, a literal shill. They say I'm a shell because they look at me and they say: ok, Euro Liberal Europe Progressive your left wing law, Do you have this super conservative ideology when it comes to GM foods? Why would you say that you think that's a good thing? You must be RO, big agribusiness. You must be pro Monsanto and it's like because I dont inform my politics based on what a party tells me. My politics are informed based on the science. I study the science behind genetic modification and I come to a person conclusion that genetic modification in and of itself is not only not dangerous, but can also be a huge boone, be really helpful for health in human safety across

specially in lower income and globalized areas where they're not very industrialized. The second problem is that people have a really hard time with the concept of sin necked. This idea of you know that's a literary term for like looking at the part for the whole or the whole for the part, so people say Gm Food, Monsanto, Monsanto. It's the same thing: it's not the fucking same thing that the company that Udall, as is GM technology, and yes, Recently I got offered a branded entertainment job with Monsanto and I had to turn it down and the reason I turned it down with not necessarily because I really disagree with practices, even though I do fucking disagree with their practices like, let's be honest, there, a lot of Montana things that make me mad social practices yet. But what capitalist kind of, but but the reason I had- turned down. This brand deal is because I knew that if I ever took a dying from a company like Monsanto, my ability as a journalist, to talk about GM crops from of a very neutral respect

would be out the window. Nobody would ever take me seriously again. So it's the same thing with big Pharma people go big farmers evil and it's like. So why should you never take drugs again? Are you out of your fucking mind it's You ve gotta, be able to look at these things in a nuanced way and understand that there are problems and there are evils, but you can't do that baby out with the bathwater. And you can't say: oh all, modern medicine is terrible because Pfizer, is making money on the backs of poor people. It's like yeah, that's fucked up about Pfizer, but that doesn't mean modern medicine is terrible. Sir, two totally different conversation It's it's also people when it starts talking about genetically modified foods. One of the things that they have to take into consideration is that almost everything you eat is modified and you go to the grocery store if you're getting corps, if you're getting apples, if you're getting tomatoes, stop thinking

this, just because it's organic that it's not genetically modified. The corn that you eat today has no resemblance to the original corn, none whatsoever, and then they'll, say yeah, but it might not be transgenic likely is transgenic too and that's another thing like genetic modification is, big umbrella drive. It could be silly the breeding is genetic, not exactly. A lot of people have a hard time with the concept of transgenic foods and ice them. Fine, if you dont, want eat transgenic foods good to find her so transgenic foods would be actually scientists going into the genome of an organism. Let's say it's a type of corn: they go into the genome and they go ok. This corn tends to die I readily, when the temperature gets above a hundred one where the climate is changing its getting hotter and hotter, where they farm it. So we're going to tinker with the Gina in we're going to delete a gene or insert a gene or move the gene.

Around in some way so that this corn is now drought, resistant, changed the genome, produce a new corn crop and then continue to breed that corn crop and That is really the goal, and generally the motivation behind GM crops is to make them withstand things like droughts or pests or whatever, so that they can live heartier and feed more people in that way. Now some times you have a company like Monsanto doing their own research, where they want to make it a crop that can only for one generation and then die so that farmers have to keep buying their seeds, for example, or they make a up ready crop. I want to crop so that I can spray the whole thing, and with round up the crop survives, but all of the weeds around die it's an easier way to farm, but it could have some really detrimental ecological effects, but for them most part the this is why a lot of scientists get pissed off the GM hysteria because they're like ok, if I were to this random corn crop and that random corn crop and breed them. I'm shuffling, like thirty thousand genes, if I were

to go win targeted and changed three genes that only affect the ability for it to withstand a higher temperatures. It's a much more specific and targeted way to changes plant. I trust it more. I know exactly what I'm eating but people. Like a terrifying because you're going with you know, typewriter than and tools what? Because of things like round because of companies. That do mean there's a reason why people are suspicious is reason why people are cautious. Lately are worried about, and then there's been also some, this Vincent FUCK. We involve new studies to it. There's a study about right that's where they they show they grow grow. These tumors turned out does the rats they use more susceptible tumors. In the first place. It's not it's it's! You know what somebody as a person who never studied lab science. To try, and makes sense of all the boy. Shit in the media and and and

be reading articles that were written by journalists who have never studied labs it. How are you expected to keep things straight? That's why I do what I do. For living, I'm a science communicator. My job is to look at research that exist and to try and translate that to the public. But I also want to try and understand where the public is coming from. Why are you afraid of this thing? Why it is. This thing worry you, let's understand the psychological reasons behind it. Lets understand what you ve been fed your whole lives by the media and see what reasonable and what's not and come to a rational conclusion about it. Unfortunately, we ass a species respond better in some ways to

fear and hysteria. We we see something on the news that, like holy shit, this thing could kill you in your, like only got really. I need to know about this because if the media was always presenting things rationally like ok, let's take a balanced approach to this and look at the pros and cons and people would too now it's not that interesting anymore. The things that we find salient are the things that we raise the hairs on the backs of our necks and what that ends up breeding. Is you know it's just a media landscape of fear mongering and screaming matches and worst case scenario, conversations which I dont think is very helpful for anybody. It's also the reality of the absorption of information, the people's ability to take in how I mean how much time do you have any day now worked eight plus hours a day plus commuting plus family plus and would have remained Aconite about whatever they do for a living? I only know contradicting information. You could always go online and find a host of websites. They will tell you what the evils of genetically modified foods easily and if you have

that information and you that is what you preach your mantra now, it's very difficult to be open, minded and then sort of accept other ideas and trust that contradict those originally you ve been telling everybody about, and in the truth is it's it's hard to figure out who to trust, especially in a landscape like this? It? That's why I never Oh, I have no intention of as assigned communicator, that the work that I do is going to necessarily promote a lot of people to go often become scientists themselves. I mean. Hopefully, young young children are some teens. People were in that in that age group and who are interested. Maybe they'll be influenced a little bit about some of the work that I do, but more more than that, I want to see a higher level of scientific literacy in this country. All that means is that we think more with our brains and less with

emotions and less with our guy. You know that Stephen Colbert Truthiness, like we gotta, get away from truthiness, just as something feels right doesn't necessarily mean that it is right. So it's like stop for a minute. Listen to the argument that's being made. Who is making the argument? Do they have any financial reason to be making the argument? Do they have any political reason to meet Bacon the argument is this: is this article about Gmos being evil on a website called? Oh, my God, Gmos are evil, dot com are our international work now, and and and that's the thing- and I am- and I think this also goes back to this conversation- I had about throwing the baby out with the bathwater, the mainstream media. Has its problems, but journalism is an enterprise. Has a lot of nobility to it.

The pharmaceutical company, has major problems and its very broke in the insurance company to but medicine has so much worth two. It especially Reno evidence based by biomedical advances. Psychiatric medicine has a lot of you know, places that the process of genetic modification is so important. But yes, Monsanto US a lot of problems. We ve got to be able to think more nuanced about these things and instead of guy Well, I don't trust Fox news. Therefore, I dont trust any media. Therefore, I only I'm going to go to the site that keeps, as you said, reinforcing what I already believe. Oh mg Gmos are horrible dot com. That's the only place where I get my news. Well now, you're in an echo chamber, yeah, that's a huge issue. There are things that you brought up there about political about financial, all the different motivations of different things, the variables that's also stuff that you have to try to pay

tension to squeeze into your head and that's the thing lard it's impossible. We need someone like you to a sort of bread it down some new as a background in this particular area debris? it down in a way that we can understand what you're? Ok, I'm comfortable? The kerosene memory is being honest with me about this particular ASP depression in Euro chemistry, these are. This is her experience, as is also which he knows about the science behind it, because I have no motivation, otherwise nobody's paying me to say this, and I think that this is why we, as you know, the listeners of the Joe Rogan experienced the listeners of talk, nerdy, Cares and Maria that the people who are really in all in the next movement of alternate and new media. It is our responsibility to continue to support these kinds of programmes and to continue to speak up and become engaged and involve because if we are not happy with the way, the traditional media is handling things because they're playing to the ratings and they're playing to the lowest common denominator. We can't be passive about it. We

to support the news outlets and the organisations and the pod in the web shows that that we support. We have to do our part to make sure that those things don't fail, because the unfortunate thing is, we don't have the backers that they have No, I have square space on my side. I have computer learning zone on my side. You have these or fall sponsors on your side that help you keep doing this so that you can offer it for free to your listeners, but we're not being backed by Pfizer but we don't have long we're doing it with these. Other companies are fine trail, you in it, and they know we're gonna, say some crazy shit, but the only reason they're gonna keep supporting us. If is if people keep listening and the only reason why people gonna keep listening to this interesting and the old man. Why it's interesting issues were being honest? Yes and, though, that

whole chain like we're all in it together. I think that's. The important thing is that, like we're here for you you're here for us and were all on that kind of same team to be that counter culture and two to offer opinions, but also offer facts that are that are based in evidence that are based in reason that aren't based in some sort of corporate interests or because some producer is in that fucking thing in my ear telling me that I have to do or say or act like somebody that I'm not. I would love to talk to you about this to the under time. Not tell you that your already pass the time. Yours possibly you know it's a funny to as the reason I have to leave and I'm so sorry, you guys is because I have fair if I felt at three and I've gotta make it all the way across down to see my their lesson at any time you want to do is a more than high level with Unum. So how are you doing you sure? Thank you so much for wearing my teacher. I have two. Can I take a moment to plug? Is that? Ok, because I just started making all this great merchandise and you gonna find it

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