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Of any other fantastic devices are right. That's it timber net from Solo Hunter is here why fuck around Jamie Keys, music will gain experience so over the last couple years really got in hunting. I went on my first hunting trip with Steve, Renault and dust or watch a lotta hunting. Tv shows why we can always wants a lot of em, but your show you stood out and does the show there's an outdoor channel, literature, outdoor general outdoor channel, it's called solo hunter and you go out. There you- and I have seen the ones with Remy worn as well and by yourself just bring cameras. Go these remote locations hike in set up the cameras end. You use in your own cameras setting up the shots, while you're aiming

getting ready to shoot the animals and you're setting everything you ve got like create little little hand held here and go prose and is gonna make it difficult noise, hey did not just get out there and you know the hunting is difficult enough creeping on animal stocking getting into position is difficult enough but I would imagine that being your own cameramen makes it. I mean, what's the but fifty fifty and harder Hunter percent harder. You know the hunting part of its a senior still hunting, and actually it makes me a better hunter, because I find that I'm a lot more patient and a lot more relaxed about it and more deliberate, and my huntings was not this. Guy got a rifle like all I get is, do is get within forty yards like now got a rifle and I got a camera. I got this so I feel like I hunt better, but the actual success rate of killing and getting it on film. In that kind of thing, it's it's a larger is like. Did you

you say, like you like half a successful. This were no, I mean now, don't think it's my success rate on actually harvested in animal, but It just makes it more de makes it more difficult to do, and it is it's an it's it's it's a has not handsome is what I do, but it's like it's hard exit where it's not just to hunt anymore. It's a hunted, I'm trying to document, and then now, when you see when you look at it and you're trying to actually produce something good that people want to watch instead of said whatever then you're putting more thought into producing it than you hunting part of it and then it's like crap now not a very good hunter, some good produced. So you have this constant dilemma. You can tell him already tore up about a bit like you. Have this constant back and forth between yourself as like screw today, honest can now make a touch, a camera and then halfway through the day, I'm like miserable cause, nothing's going on on the government. Have anything to show for it was stupid turn on the

cameras. You have something to show for it. So right do it's come out. It's a tricky, waited to do television Show- and you do all the producing yourself you did you do the film editing Genji. I do all the editing, that's just kind of kind of my thing for it and I like I liked it because I can give more emotional invested into it. I feel like it can come out different, but I'm not the best editor out there. I'm just one happens that if that show, because I'm below budget guy and when I started out it was I mean it- was Even it wasn't even ready. It wasn't time you. How are you doing so? Solo underwent errand October, two thousand and ten, but I had done tv since two thousand for in a kind of random ways and that, but we had the guys that I was partners with we hired a producer. There was doing all the editing and me Jeff we'd, be in the studio just all day and all night just hammered out with is that with this producer and at the end of the day we weren't a happy with what we were getting. So when we split up what I went my own route, I was like you know what only

to do this and make money and into a right is, I gotta, learn editing, so I bought a mean. I bought a computer and just totally self taught myself out at it, and I started Crank announced some just some videos online and everything and that's kind of how I got into it and got more involved in the tv side of cds like final cut progress, while in fact them today, I'm still using the same exact system, but I bought ten years ago that same system- really change, just a few updates. That's it I'm using Firefox, seven in old school. I don't know what a number is that up to now wants like pro acts or something to mark here, uses Adobe or whatever. But to me it's like the editing software in that ten year old state is way more powerful than my brain is to keep up with it anyway. So, like I gotta, do, is linked video together and

absent music to a negative tunisia? The ears, it's funny when you look back at computers that word five six seven years ago, there were incredibly powerful and much more powerful than for you know. The applications of most people using for most people have way overpowered computers do just going online clicking on links, stuff, and they have these ridiculous computers that can edit crunch video. You know do all kinds of massive calculations and never use emanate the end of the day. Do I have the best he be shown, and I work now to have the worst one. Now, don't have one that I like and enjoy love. Hacking is my favorite one of my favorites to watch my favorites watches Jim Shock Ease, uncharted new show that he does all boards the hell out of me. Does it

I love it for what it is. I don't think that was intended to be accorded equal hunting show no, its not linger cultural shower. Brandon is probably want the best producers at your fine armies is extremely extremely well produced and I think that's good, but I also think that a lot of producers, especially young producers, coming into the industry, eared or kind of car, falling into the game where they feel like? The show has to be so well produced to be successful? Not doesn't gotten kill someone you bring it home. These are hunting, shows we're talking about other adventure shows they don't have to be. The best produce shows not every shot ass to Vienna. Gibran slider, you know of rack focus role, that kind of thing capture the action and entertainment and that's where allow these productions miss out but uncharted. It is incredible from production, standpoint and from alike

almost almost like a modern doc, yeah and documentary type of feel tilities. If you haven't seen and Jim Shockey, this guy's been around forever this real the kind of legendary the great white Hunter from LA from BC from British Columbia and he goes all over the world, like I mean literally all over the world like these really remote places in Pakistan, he's a man to hunt goats. You ve never heard of this weird fuckin funky looking goes and the thing is like you know, he's got that he's got the life to back it up. If you look back beyond television before he started to television, the man lived their lifestyle like he had it. I mean he's one of the true true people were actually grew up in hunting environment in not just hunting but harsh harsh country. You now doing it the right way and in building an owl fitting business, and it just happened to evolve in the television career you're watching on real tree when he would do the little segment. Norman, I think, was real to react on that's a long time.

Oh, but he's really he's really deserved and earned worries I put himself there. Yes, he's coming on and sometime in November, we'll work it out now, but he he does. This shows that are almost like their documentaries on the culture that he's going to as much as it is about the hunting. The people big Deal Dell's in a lot of people. I like tat and the way they captured just like some of those villages. In the way people live on its boy really brings a reality. It's almost like a gnat geo type of a field to yeah yeah. I'm not interested in doing that. The no vote in the hard thing that I would like to see- and I don't think I could ever happened but like can you imagine, going to some of those places with someone actually experiencing it, and that's the thing that the cameras can't show you. They can't show the actual experience, because inevitably the guy behind the camera or the producer is wine to bring drama in the wind

something what what's gonna captivate the you were want to do business and he may use a shot at the kid, was doing dishes or something and use it in a scene where, where something dramatic, something the kids cry and because he was cut uninterested in producing have a way of twisting things to make it look more wrong or glorified and more glamorous than it might have. Actually, that's one of the things about hunting shows it has really. It hasn't happened where it has with reality tv. Lot of these reality, tv shows the furthest thing for reality that you could ever imagined. Everything is completely scripted is calculated every events calculated from the beginning to the end there these shells are just there. Just drama shows like bullshit, fake fiction drama shows that, they don't have a necessary. They dont have a script, but they have an objective. You and I are goin. We're gonna go my mexican food. You like a fucking hate, but I hate mexican food and we have a conversation ever and then you know you go. We go to another place like about this place due to fucking. Statements can come on man and like at the end. We wonder

they talk about like hey? This isn't bad, like that's a fuckin reality shows scenario. The best reality show would be film from a drawn and the people wouldn't even actually Oda was there. That would be the ultimate realities year. Yeah. Well, that's the kind of to do. That would like a big brother type scenario, but every changes once people another being found in our and it's just These are just bad shows, most of em just really bad shows. Whereas, like one of things, I about your show and Rinaldo shown, a lot of these hunting shows is their willing to show failure to which is a big part of hunting, gets majority of hunting yeah, I'm in your ear, doing something very difficult to do. You're going into a natural habitat of this animal lives in it, try defy all visits of its natural instincts, its sense of smell. It's incredible hearing. All these different evolved instinct that they have to keep them alive.

And you trying to creep up on them and your filming the whole thing. Well, I think we're lot of people may not look at you know, and I get it sometimes is like everything's wrapped around that that moment of impact that kill you know, and especially when you're fomented by yourself. It's really hard to get that moment of impact and that moment of kill on their, but that's, like one moment honest in its like the most morbid moment of the entire, the entire episode of the entire five week, long journey after that animal. But everybody focuses on that moment and, unlike now you know, there's there's ten days of planning and proper. Should in hunting and actual stuff going on outside. Of that one little kill. How did you get the idea to do this? Show what you? Why didn't you, try to do is show the javert I do so with a camera. Man becomes Willie. I did so. I part

with a guy in two thousand late. Two dozen force was really can't two thousand five and we produced a show on the spot was one of the first shows on sportsmen shell boy back then, and that shows running today only continue on and he's branched off and he's, a couple shows that he's doin, but when I left it shows a buck ventures. My french regions, where I started and now he's got major league Mohan, Ernie's partnered with cheaper Jones and that somebody will lot deeper pockets and I have for sure chipper jobs with a baseball player yeah. I think that's me put pulling up to your face. Oh yes, I am and was made there is active. So so you know I moved out or go home. I mean I. Why did that I wanted things I like go balls in its everything is, I sold my home move, my wife at one. My boy was one year old at the time we moved Oklahoma, which live just outside of Oklahoma City and Edmund and just parted up and- the show loved it. Then down he, you know everything's gonna go. There was a hundred times.

Why tell? But a really wasn't my thing, I'm! I grew up in Central Asia and the middle of nowhere and for me to transition my hunting style and what I grew up with to focus just strictly on white teeth. This didn't didn't fit. What was your highness diy? I grew up. She were agro central idea of the nearest Walmart seventy miles way in the population one a one hour minutes. It's a small farming town in central I'd, Oats called lost to revalue. My group right and more went to school and Mackey in Argo and and so that that lifestyle and drawing up on a farm was rugged just in and of itself, and so I don't know anything anything any different and I know you know I can go out the back door and I can be upon the mountains and just go for You could go until till four at till Canada, if you want to, but it's really says you used to like going on high

in going after his animals starting yeah mountains, western hunting, you no words, you got Elk, you got dear bear my lions, haven't you got everything. Whole western hunting, hunting white tales completely different one, a white till dear, might live in just a few square miles its entire life. You know, and you hunting farmland, predominantly your river bottoms, and so you really you know, that's that's the most widely hunted game, animal it there is, but it's like Tom was like a farm the adventure. The adventure starts and ends right here you know within within two hundred acres or whatever Why go on a hunt for elderly adventure? There's there's miles. You know hundreds of miles that that a person can go on in the West and when you get up on some of these peaks and you you may have experienced some of this stuff in Alaska that, like you, get up there and it's like gas day, there's a lot here and you know there's so much country

and there's no limitation now for you to go and what you do. So, that's that's. Why say my style? That's my style gettin out remote and that's why more fascinating to me to be in my completely while environments like, like you, said, standing on a peak looking Alaska and what you're sees this mountain ranges and just hill after hill after hill and valleys, and just its looks endless it. And there's no one out there and looking straight ahead, you not seen any fucking people you're seeing trees and there's some animals out there go find them. And that's it, that's how I grew up. I mean I would go out a lot of times during school and I've just go up sleep on the mountain. Come back. Do chores milk cows go to school, you go football practice, go home. Do chores, go up on a mountain sleep on the mountain come back home, I mean that was kind of how how my brothers

and it is just I mean I just have a yearning for the wild. I mean they have some of the course experiences. I've had a life have been won by myself and go and do something just so totally random that that nobody else would relieve even think about, say shit. Since nobody, but it's like you know in college, I drive in two hours to my folks house and I drive another hour up to the canyon by the time I get to the trailhead, it's one thousand one hundred at night. I can for three or four hours find some more sleep, get up on top of the mountain and I'm sitting there as as the sun's coming up. And three Wolverines come up here and circle, the lake and it's like back, then you know, and then in the nineties framework Wolverines in Idaho there weren't supposed be anyway, I mean I was one of the very first are very few to actually see wild Wolverines in Idaho, and it's like, had not been there by myself.

Spirits in that. In that canyon, the offers other people or or other things those Wolverines might not have been as comfortable, but because I was thereby myself when I'm the only one there looking down over it. I had that experience in those there's a lot of up and he's like that that when you have someone else there you focus on the group. We focus on your conversations, your buddies, your friends and everything you're, not you're, not really tuned into. What's around you you're, not tuned into your surroundings and solar, certain things that I think you miss out on. When you ve got other people there, and it's not that I don't enjoy that sometimes, but I feel like, I'm there like there's a connection in others, a connection to the language, a connection to the environment, and you know you could bring olive into if, if you, if you're a hippie of tree, hugger voodoo diverging bringing the nature and the gods and all that kind of stuff into the whole element. But that ruling truly as well is what it is you're out there with no one

your self and God in his creation I mean that's it. It's all surrounding yeah and being like that, deep in major, where you're actually a part of it, because you're not you're not talking to anyone. So there's no No conversations go and conversations with myself, But you don't sound like you, don't did there's nothin no anchor. The brings you back to civilization you just seeing wild shit you're, seeing wild life you're. Seeing That would exist. That way. Or this order now they are not yet in sight, hard about it. As is the more the older I get in the more I live in a city in the more the more likely fall, gets busying hectic coming right now, right now, it's just seems like it's a train rather straight up and things are things happen and are happening fast. Just like this opportunity here The more more those things happen is like the more desensitized come to the natural experience and so on out there I find myself checking where's my Finally, I wonder what emails I've gotta wonder, whose called

really socks, because I'm descended as to the nature of man, you're too. What I grew up, as you know, in that kind of thing, and that's it's good in a way, but it's also bad, and so I like have taken the opportunity just like you know this week I was supposed to be a punt in Idaho, but I had too much work to do. I had project I had to had to get done and it worked out great because he freed up our time where you and I can get together. I know that Sunday, you know as soon as I get out of church, I'm HOLLAND, but of died. Hone almost article four weeks, women have that you know eight to ten days of solace to really get back into it, but then, at the end of that trip, it's gonna be like I've, got nine hours to drive home and think about going back into the daily life known to read regular world regular world do. Do you have a regular job outside of this letter is? Is it out? People think that I did I hunt for living or that it's all about the hunting in the shown huntings, like ten percent of my life, you know outside of that I run my business. I got products just like you do in and I'm trying to grow

grow the business space and this this year I kind of took it upon myself to this is the year I wanted to grow my business. The tv show established. I had you know you know making a good living everything but this is the year that I wanted to take another step and actually make create a business of that. That's where by brought on mark and we started producing another show on sports and shall called off GRID Hunter and an experimental with that, and now it's like you. I've got to other sponsors that have come to me and said: hey he, oh you're, doing a good job, the productions we ve been thinking about X, Y, see which being arrested and produce producing our shows for us in doing things. So I am now branching and trying to grow the production side of it as well as solidified brand of solar. We do good, you do a really good job. Producing the show yourself. The weights edited it it's interesting, it's not just you know: here's a veto, camera that I turned I when I walked up to the top of the hill layer which style like you know. You in music and sound effects and islamic closeups and we're not Remy calls to go Prussia.

We're, not gonna go brochure anymore. That's us! Yeah! You definitely edit things really well, and in that? That's it! That's a big part of watching any kind of show did do draw people end, but in that shown, particularly you you're telling a story and use or you know whatever animal you're chasing after or we going. You know, you're in into that environment, and then you kind like you're you're, explaining your thoughts along the way One of them. I really liked was you alone, You were moose hunting in Alaska and You know you're no stuck in the tent and it was raining outside ass. He and I had a guy with means people. You know I had a guy with me. I said there are on the episode there was another get had the tag, but I mean you're out there you're out there in the middle of nowhere yeah end because you're out there like that, because you're in this light intense why old environment. You know you get it when you're talking about and when your new expressing yourself to the camera you're getting this,

inside of what it's like to actually be there for a lot of people, that's the closest gonna, come to being out near the wild Bush of Alaska chasing after a move. It makes it it's there's like the solid two comes across on camera and its, an interesting element that you don't get in Lahti shows because all these shows its an expedition you got couple can. Commands you got a guy to get to hunters girl is people there. They got a fucking ATV nobody's going down to the woods together. It's it's a journey, you know, but the solitude of you being alone in these remote environments. Then you know quite honestly dangerous environment, especially like the Alaska One cause there's bears out their grizzlies, you pack and a pistol when you go to take a shit It is ironic that unit of the worst in the world, most hair, raising experiences I have had of have not even been Alaska. You know it's been closer to home and that coming I mean yeah Unalaska got charged by a blackbird who it was

was it a female? They handed them, because what happened is. Was we got off the boat to set up to our call for moose the deuce most common arms like, and it was rain and real hard and, like you know what I gotta go back and get my camera just in case. Something happens to go back and get something. I remember what it was. So I walked back to the boat and is unwelcome back. I hear some noise behind me and, as I turn, this bears just come and that means book in HOLLAND just as fast as I could run, and all I did was just just wield the camera to see a bear airs loud as I could and a thing just skidded stopped and took off and then turn right. I mean I thought I saw another one in the back, so there s only thing that the amended, so I think could have been was a bare hunting which is going to happen. A bears gonna whatever so

been a sow with some cubs or something I mean really at tat, instant, your relying on lock, you know you're, relying on that bear to stop and turn around, because all I had at that time to protect myself was my voice. You know by the time I would have got to my gun. The bare would have an army and you know bears bite, and so things would have been bad for for a little while had that bear not turn around, and you were by self. No, I was with you. Tat was their ted was yet. He was right in the end in the general area, because we are both hunting mostly Have you ever been out there by yourself and had a situation come up? We like fuck am I you know I might not be able to get out of here like being injured or

fuck you NEA or anything like that, jacked up, my knee pretty good and in New Zealand. When I was when I was meant to New Zealand out with Remy, I had just killed my tar and was coming down off the mountain, and I mean I wasn't very far from the bottom, but I'd stepped in this phone or somethin and his jack. My knee and I remember following in a kind of blacked out there for a minute and as a land there, I'm thinking just them just like! Please don't don't blow my knee out. You know- and I just lay there for like thirty forty minutes, till Canada throbbing in the pain kind of went away, and then I was able to get up and walk off. But that's what I want to give you know. That's probably Once the most dangerous is one year calling, you know hundred plus pounds on your back

No man down rough country, because I'm not gonna, go back up their impact. My camp out, so you can alone as much weight as you can on your bag in its stoop is something could happen at any time you, Norman Guy, could step and role as ankle at any time, just kind of by us being out there and makes it that much more dangerous, yeah stupid people who have never gone hiking in these. Remote areas in our like these that, especially when you go, and after these animals, whether it's a person like that they don't do problem, understand how treacherous some of the terrain is an you added to that. The fact that you ve got a hundred pounds, a meat pact on your back and you probably end do it several times, but can Elk yeah yeah, I laughed at my body. He killed a deer last week in haste sneeze pictures on Instagram of the blisters on his feet, and everything is like I'm on my third trip back in to get my dear. No like hell with that man just cut the thing up,

All on your bag and come out wants a big. Was the dear you know a bone doubt about our dears gonna be ninety pounds. Ninety two hundred pounds is all but better Marguerite and are you got your camping gear and that kind of stuff to do so? That's where a dear you know, there's one trip, one trip or for a guy yeah. I've talked to people that, like Ranal his brother fucked his back, essentially for life trying to haul out moose, and now he s pack lamas as law is that it brings with em. My brother tried lamas for a while. Now I think he's gotta go now. I think you got a horse now, yet those tools like backing unjust, we're never have lot. These his brother has is lamas and they put him in a van and like the lamas, like they fucking piece in the Van disgusting animals, but they're just hardy shit it the gig. You know he lives in Montana got em out there in Montana they just just time to a tree and leaving their there's. It's freezing fuckin call they stand. They don't give a shit all they probably they do they. Just gets anything about it properly:

but they re super durable and the ideas just gotta make sure that you pack them evenly cannot like seventy pounds off to the right. You know and a hundred pounds after laughed. It has to be totally bounced out, but once its balanced out those fuckers can just go. Yeah, we grew up hunting with horses, horses and mules. Mostly you know. So that means it's it's nice to have that ability to pack pack camp and pack all the way- and I thought about doing do you know a pack trip solo sol on a pack but that's me you're, bringing in a whole around when you bring it in an animal that you can't control. You can control than other moods. Whatever it's just that one more one, more thing They could go wrong men all it takes the horse. Kicking aside the head, you're done or you know you your horse ticking, Annie, A horse takes a fall or any those kinds of things and, as you know, the committee set up in a hurry, so I've always I've just play. I've just got to the point where I just want to throw crap of my backpack and go because I can control me. No, I know where my brain is gonna be

I know where I'm stepping brawler horse has to do is take take one wrong, Stepan, yeah, it's bizarre! It's not gonna happen, but I've had about a friend. There was killed on a horse real what happened. He was on a pack trip and I remember I was. I was working at the carpet store when I was when I was a kid and as like John wants, you stay here, I got this job, I need you to do. He was a carpet installer and I was one of those salesman like. I got this job, but I want you to, but I need you to do like no man go on this Patrick from come on its own today job he's on. I remember invisible vividly sayings like life's too short. He said, I'm I'm promised myself, no matter what the money is not going to get in the way and I'm gonna live my life and that on that very trip his horse, something spooked his horse and came over on top of it on the saddle, horn, rupture displaying hand

he went into the hospital when I got back, he went into the hospital like two hundred and twenty pounds. The next time I see you know when he got out of the hospital use like a hundred and sixty pounds or something- and it wasn't just a couple months later than died from that, because he had given his kidney to his son. And so his kidney and spleen and everything we're jacked up and he lost his life. You know from that event, I can have my brother a couple years ago, horse came over on top of him crush his pelt she's not happen on. You got wiles. When you ve got animals. Human stuff can happen. You know ye. I have friends that ride horses. They, like my friends, wife, actually she'd. She jumps horses. They they go to these fuckin rings and they did they get their horses to jump over logs and shit. Like what are you doing? Why is an exciting like

go on there. That's gotta be a yes, but we used to see we still my brothers and I we had the reputation of breaking courses, so people would bring the wild mustangs if they catch off the desert in staff, which I know now living in about other, not that wild they bring us these horses, that they adopt thinking that they would make him his kids, horses or something and we'd have to break these horses. How do you catch him? Our economy Ladys bring him to us in a trailing smell, around little then break em Jan you break a wild worse, a real while horse. We at all I mean we only had one that we really couldn't break there, that we didn't break sweated, do eat it. No, I can't even remember what happened that one of em, the guy, took back in it in a given away and they handed ended up shootin it. You know somebody got on got out and got on wild lemon shootin at one. Why this shoot it because you got on. Why didn't? I don't think they could catch it and they couldn't catch it for a while. They tried to try to do- is shoot it in the neck and hit that attendant so with work.

A lot of times like western raining, horses and stuff lots of times are going and snip attended in their neck to get him to keep their head level because its- I guess it's better for them. The horse rains better and acts better. Not it's not gonna flip his head up and flowers had so thou foot this tenants of his horse so that the Europe should in trying to shoot this horse in the in the tenant in the back of the neck to Canada's breaking down, so they could catch. This horse is a big black and white Tubby, no stallion that they wanted a cat and that nothing just kind of message. I killed them. Yes, what a little bit of a kind of a sharpshooter does. He think he is a hired me. I'm a moving the horse and you gonna shoot in a perfect spot, and I I can't imagine shoe Norse anyway. That's why, when I see these guys go on Afghan soon, zebras of you mean I grew up. Farm. I have such a love and up and a passion for animals there. I can't imagine I can imagine that only if we are talking about that before the show that it's a weird thing for people to hear when someone says they're Hunter, but they love animals

yeah. Like I got this tweet the other day, let us or woman she was a summons tweeted me somethin and she's tweeted. Why would you talk to him? He kills bear for fun and you know that not all killed I've killed. One bear wasn't for fun. I eat it, but did you have any idea, I enjoyed it. I mean, I guess I kind of killed a bare for fun and irish parlor Saturday right leg, world part of this, remorse while bears are pretty fuckin cool their interesting. Their interesting- and you know I went with Cameroon, Haines we're MO hunting in Alberta and if you never been up their first of all, they have to go. Where's up there there's a lot of how can bears up there. They labour estimate between three and eight per square mile, and when you get up there, you realize that's true complaint when you're sitting

and you're waiting they all the sudden within an hour an hour, so they just start showing up one. Two three me weeks, we saw many six seven bears at a time. It's fuckin crazy and the cannibalize each other left and right there, cubs you have to kill the on given himself diseases. Alchymist have if they over yeah and they are overpopulated up there, you have to kill the Boers. If you don't tell the Boers, they just feast on babies, you now and it's it's just a numbers thing: they don't have anything to kill them, nothing kills them. So if humans don't kill them than their populations, get out of control They get run into starvation. Issues is all sorts of things that happen and they taste good. You know, and people are fucking weird man there with this. This whole hunting thing. Is exposed me to a lot of very strange hypocrisy that people just accept, and one of them is this fuckin guy came up to me airport where and leather shoes, and he does matter really disappointed file. You fail to bear. I don't do you

in leather shoes do desert, does a whether I could do eat me single, instilled a cow for that exact because I do eat me, but I just think bears are different. I go different now because they're, not in your neighborhood, like what are you talkin about it's an animal? Do you understand anything that Hunter killed lives an infinitely your life than anything you're buying Mcdonald's, the nation where, in on you, clothes any any shoes and leather, and he belt that you have those animals lived lives of man's animal suffering for the most part, those debates dedicated animals that are done that you'd thirty are used for you know whatever its for clothing. More. For you know, leather goods or couches shit like that those fuckin things live in pens and they their lives from birth to death or just for utility they're. Just serve a purpose there. There they are commodity, one year, hunting, you'd making an animal that lives in entirely natural life. You dip in the natural world

resent animal pull it out and, in my opinion, that infinitely better. Infinitely better in every way, first of all, the em they're not gonna, live forever. It's now you know you're taking away animal that was going to cure cancer if he kept it alive. You know that Mozart its way to fucking, building a rocket to the moon, and you stepped in and shot at other Fuckin bears their bears there, each other's cubs, and it's really good meet it's good for you and, though, the that the fact that people have a problem with hunters, but they don't have a problem with passing by every restaurant you drive down the street. Every restaurant is filled with meet every one of them. Every supermarket filled with meat all these people you drive, half of them are driving cars with leather seats, half of whom are wearing leather shoes, probably more than half the yet people have a problem with hunting and it's weird thing: because they don't see the death of the animal, the cause they're cheeseburger, because society structured in a way that you can just without

dissipating in the animals death at all. You can reap the benefits of it by just giving a little piece of paper and getting a cheeseburger and that's it. Action to eliminate some yourself from some of the guilt because young killer, you know, and you didn't see it get killed. Yeah so therefore didn't happen. Yeah yeah and people there eat meat of this to me, I'm like man, you gotta rearranged. We think you should expose. You am, I told several people than ever problem than eat meat, unlike you should expose yourself to the death of an we'll just to decide whether or not you want to continue eating meat, because that was concern when I went hunting for the first time, the guide, fishing. My whole life, so I've killed things before and eating them, but I've never killed an animal noise like man, a deer's, a big, beautiful animal. That's going to freak me out, maybe I'm not going to like it. Maybe I'll be a vegetarian up tat I was like. I was really wondering what it was gonna, be like the exact opposite have didn't bother me at all. Martha was great mean it was. There was a

a moment. Sadness at this animal died, but the food was delicious. The meat was delicious thee. That, though, experience with exists eating it was exciting. It was fun, was wild, it was enriching and it's the healthiest me you can get and I think the most ethical way to acquire it. You're you're responsible for what you're eating and there's something super satisfying about that. Whenever I am not at all time time, but I loved times I tweet photos of like wild game that I cook and when I'm like out there and I'm grilling something that I killed and chopped up and on putting on the grill. Then I'm eating it like this two different experience like of the feeling of it is so much better than just getting estate for the grocery store, throwing the growing eating it. There's nothing there with that pound. Propounded it's a hell of a lot more expensive. But that's not you know, that's not what its that's, not what it's about.

And it's one of those things where, like super super hard to explain to people like a? Why do you want, and even my wife, she's she's not into hunting, should ever want to be sure and understand how I can love animals. So much yet go out and kill him on all that, but it's one Saying that there are so many different facets, as you can go down what we're doing for food or for this region for population into rural we're doing it. For you know whatever for sport, which I don't I don't look a hunting as a sport in all per se, but there's lot of different things, elements which can bring into a to explain to somebody an end at the end of the day. I look at em like why do I'm just a man you know like I I posted a picture today on honesty, groundless, like a lot of hunting groups classify themselves as predators, whereas you know attics or junkies or regional almond, antler junk your arm of this round. That is like a man, the old God put man on this earth to till into the care of it and he gave us sustenance and games inability to sustain not only

ourselves but to grow population, you know that's what that's what adamant, even though their if you're religious person or wherever If you really believe that only if we can see that everybody can fund, which is pretty fucked ridiculous, So I just happened to be a believer in Avonlea, but anyhow do you believe that there is to be able? And then everybody came to people in a way tat. Really, I think there's I think that I definitely think that there is a lot to specific religions that are out there that there's pieces there that you now, if you follow the Bible? word for word for what it says. Like literally there's a lot of stuff. It's there's no way I mean like now. Those are primate upstairs other things about your family, religious person- and I believe in God and and I think, there's a lot of things that people of twisted- no doubt no diet but

but I'm a believer, there's somethin to all religions that I think there's like there's some universal truths and this universal truth about treating people certain ways and is universal truths about seeking the good in life, and you know, and looking out for your brothers and says, and I think all of that came from understanding that people developed overtime, wisdom that people developed over time and then this this is connecting to what is universally good about the world right without life, with few exceptions, people generally and there's. There are exceptions that people generally want to do good generally want to be happy there. And only understand consequence. They understand right and wrong. There are exceptions, just don't understand them, and then there's people have callous himself, one where the other year they they toe the line on a per cent religious in everything. It is

rural, or they go the other direction here. The problem with the literal translations that there was an English. You know I mean we're. We still there are still working on the dead sea squirrels, which is the oldest version of the Bible, which is an arrow MAC. On animal skins and they have to have to do dna analysis on the animal skins. Two makes or that when they line up the pieces, the trend of peace him altogether that it's the right animal like the like the way they do the Dead Sea grocery ever pay attention, do not I'm one of those is like an oil slick,

Some of those things are so hard to even get into right, but if you want to be a religious person, that's the source of it. That's the source of almost all biblical stores, the dead sea, scroll down and dumb. What's what's really unique about it is that it was found in coumarin, I think in the nineteen forty they found these these clay pots and inside these clay parts were essentially. These animal skins had been wrapped up in these. These cylinders, these, like wrapped up in roles and they had a unravel them in a lot of whom were broken up, and so the bridge and up one's the way they do not do the dna tests. They do a dna tests, so they say: ok, we'll all animal all love the pieces from this animal will pull over here all the time.

This from that animal or swimming that's a different pieces. Skin will put that over here and dumb. Then there have to like try to piece together like this ancient puzzle. Then they have to take our a MAC and translated into English and the that's even older than the ancient hebrew version. The bible and ancient Hebrew bore the weirdest thing about the ancient hebrew version is that apparently ancient Hebrew didn't have numbers, so letters were also numbers. So the letter, a was also the number one and like, if I said TIM Net, you there's numbers to your name that, like it also it counts in the transport and not to translation, but what the meaning of the word, like the word love. And the word. God have the same numerical value in ancient Hebrew, and this is on purpose. It's like things have like value and the sentences, have like a numerical value to them that art our brains, the way we think the way we talk, because we have number separate from words, I don't think we totally

ASP what a lot of the meaning of lot of sentences were, then, on top of that, a lot of those words in ancient Hebrew. Theirs like twenty five percent of em, they still don't even know what the fuck was. There's a man so amount of level interpretation that they have to figure out. Then they take that and take it from there and translated to Greek and latin and from there two English. So when you're reading about Adam and Eve who the fuck knows the original meaning was what were they trying to say the original human beings that God created or that the universe bestowed upon the earth? What what was that? What what do they do? They really mean that was just to people it's so hard to tell and when you add in all the other fuckers well, you know that somebody had a grip on somebody. We know about constantly

in the bishops and how they they re wrote in the new testament and they left out a bunch of Shelly they had, they chose what was going to be in the Bible and a bunch of people chose what was gonna be the word of God, people that had no contact with God. My God came down in a game of fuckin to do list like get all this shit done and then a dull double check. Your work now be back now, those they decided. So I'm not opposed to that set the God and I'm not an anti religious person at all. I think religions on a lot of good. I think of religion, is a good foundation for a lot of people to develop morals and ethics I just whenever anyone want wants to talk about like literal translations of stuff, and I always wanted no like how much did you look into it like how and when you say literal translation like did you? Did you go to the actual source of those stories cause you gotta go,

can the epoch of Gilgamesh. If you want to really know the Noah's Ark story, that's the original version of its six thousand years old minutes. It's it's written with his little lines and shit like on clay tablets. Like that's the oldest version of it, store, probably based on some real shit. That happened probably based on real floods job my brother, he just for he was too me the other day he watched that no a movie Sarah man and I was the worst living close, but then he's like what their will since in the Bible. So maybe maybe I haven't seen the movies are clear but he's like so weird and yeah. It's a problem, People are full of shit. All I know is I guarantee that if there was another that that Noah, he probably found a chickening me and you probably ended up eating one, sometimes like yeah, that taste good. You know how many chicken, in Monterrey, chickens and then there's no way more against Chinese. Like offered chicken tastes good than this sheep overhears gotta take you now inside is continued on. How the fuck that all the animals get to him. That's a big one. They have to ignore them.

From all over the live in an hour That's one thing: this kind of cool about your PA gases, the ones that I listened to and everything is like what I like about. You is when you bring indifferent hosts, indifferent, guess a lot of them have completely opposite. Backgrounds are what I haven't, probably from what you have to, but I, like that you're fast and aided by a lot of different things, and then you take yourself just like the you're saying there. The research is you'll, immerse yourself into really knowing and finding something out, and you find a lot of different fascinating and one thing: that's really cool when you're talking about hunting and when you were first when you first it podcast or through an hour and then you kind of it were educating yourself along the way as you got into the hunting parliament. It was almost like. It's not an off know if listen then, if park ass one when you did those, but it's like it, was like a little kid. You not just learning something new. No, my dear that's pretty cool, you know, because here you, You know a grown man asking questions that my ten year olds ask me

Why are you like asked Brogan like that with you this year marks like, but it's it's it's. It's called a sea and that's when the questions that I had for use like a look at you and hunting. Why did you want to start hunting? Well, my wife would be best able to answer that because she's been mocking me for. What's in TED, Nugent Spirit the while for the path I maki, four thousand eleven twelve. Last year's. I watch it for a lot of reasons, one of it one of it is because it is fuckin unbelief. We hope you. I mean he's a hokey: do he's a crate he's a Astor showman, you know, ever seen. Ted Nugent play guitar, never seen is banned. He's a man Esther showman and he uses a lot of that. Showmanship show an interest. Some of it is like really ridiculous, and some of it is like reverie, repetitive, very over the top

I was fascinated by his promotion of this lifestyle. This hunting lifestyle he has at the time you didn't have a place in Texas, yet his place in Michigan is a high fence operate and then he would just gonna go out in town and only hundreds of acres he has set up tree stands and wait for dear and shoot him and that's all the meat that he ate donated its hunters for the homeless Listen, I'm just for the hungry or whatever it is, and you know, and it really constantly promoted how healthy lifestyle is how healthy the meat is and how this is like this is about sustainability. Out. These animals are providing him with sustenance and in turn he is providing he puts up food plots he's planting trees like his whole thing is its very balanced and in a way that a lot of people who eat organic food they buy it whole food and they there being no earthy unit. I've taken my do not you not really balance like TED Nugent.

And in Michigan, is more balanced than you. I know you don't think that, but that's the reality. The reality for a lot of people that go to the grocery store and pick up their organic food like men, you don't know how many people were involved in the creating of that food. What what what what put in the soil. Farts, it's organic. You know, there's no pesticides allegedly butts organic, because some instead to stamped at the sound is ok. You don't use this pesticide, but to use this chemical. So but it's ok, it's organic! Yet the word organ is a weird word to its to open ended. I know marketed yeah, I know that the do the exact definition of organic groceries are, but there is a difference between groceries that you buy in groceries, grow and I grow a lot of vegetables now and I've been do now over the last say you have two years and again something super fuck and satisfying about blocking a tomato slicing of immediate in cooking. We are putting the salad tomato that you grow

You put that seen in there you water it. It grew you plucked it. It's the whole cycle. The whole cycle comes together, so I saw watch natural and from then I just a guy when he didn't want to fucking, go hunting and then I watch Rinaldo, shoves watching all kinds of hunting shows for like a decade or ever went hunting that people can move. My house look at my dvr liquid. Is wrong with you who already have this weird twisted. Yet when animals attack kickboxing ever hunting shows what the fuck is wrong with you. I don't know, I don't know what's wrong with me, but that's get into it. So until I met one hour and there were actually went hunting in the hunt you did with him, was it Ask yourself that occurs in what is now the first one was mule dear in Montana, actually went to work, the the Missouri River we did afloat.

Trip was really fun. I remember seeing something on the sportsmen Channel was Tellin the crap out of that they're like meeting You know Joe Rogan goes on meteor. Does this I might whose Joe Rogan I don't know who meter is branded Ojo Rogan. Wasn't it know what the big deal about it was, and then I watch the episode I'm like a guy scene. Pretty funny, you know whatever, and then it wasn't until like mark when This was very long I'll be out bid. I haven't the heaven like I gotta, get to know more this Jerome, he's getting into hunting, you know he's doing stuff with vanilla, Alison, shooting podcast with cameras like a gag idiot, get noticed a little bit more in because all the assets like broken, he could have been jungle, acrobat. As far as I would have no idea what you're told the amount the hunting world well, as human rights watch. Wanting to you, you asked me the last time I watched a mediator episode two years ago a year and a half we arrive, I just I've one episode of uncharted denied? I just don't want it. The shows any more because I don't know

make it my guess: yeah well you're, not myself, watching busy too. Yes, not that I'm sorry busy in Romania, I definitely am busy, but I have my life to you and I spent a lot of time at home, but I just don't, spend it watching tv anymore. I used to allow I used to mean, when I say started, priests and television. I would watch all the top rated shows like Arnold. What else do you want what we intervene? I wanna know what all these people are doing. Do it because its successful Ratan format, and then I started solo and it was like all everything went out to win. Like you know, I'm not everything these people dont do because I'm sick ass. The exact same thing every time, an endless conversations at a conversation with a big sponsor the other day because they want to produce a tv show. And we had a big conference call and everybody was talk when all things a hate about television and things that they like about television and a lot of these different shows came up and without a doubt their Alek. We hate hokey at it. We had how overproduce it is necessary that at but at the end of the day, someone's gotta die in honest. Like

everything is the same with the comments that you get from people as all the hunting shows the same you known and so to do something different is really hard were there, out of a mother saying, there's so many shows out there right now because of the networks that are their available. That there's a lot of shows there are different laws, shows it than that You know how their heartland Bo Hunter predict Yeah they're shows you have your own brand. You know a lot of people emulate and try to copy what what heartland boner started and when they have done, and so you start to see a lot of that imagery in that type of shooting into different productions, and I mean I bomb, albeit I found a lot of that to yours, like I want to do a shot that look like that, but I wonder my way right for all as for solo, where war I think makes it you need, is the fact that no matter how we film it doesn't really matter because a team they were one man out there were trying to kill an animal, we're gonna, kill it we're gonna break out. You know we're just trying to document that adventure, by doing it by ourselves and having that relationship with the camera where everything seems to be so close up and like it's like I'm talking to you.

You watch and I'm trying to talk to the viewer, communicate that and that's really hard to do, because sometimes you wanna just reenact and restate what's happening or what's going on or what you're gonna do blood? What what mark and I are working on with with some of these The projects more we're going to try to bring into solo is more that more of that What's going on up here, you know: what's going on in my head, more and what's going on that this you're seeing people want more, what I'm thinking, while I'm doing certain things than actually what I'm doing, I think. And so that's an element from up as a producer, to try to bring into a to wear it really knew what goes on in my head? While I'm up on the mountain, I think they'd be shocked because it's not you know it's not all. It's not all just complete focus on hiking and hunting and killing a lot of different things that go on meaning that, like you start thing in my families, are thinking about your life worth hunting yeah that, and it's like you know, I mean

I may be sitting there one time I may be thinking, I'm going home, I've been appear for four days. I've seen it a damn: antlered Antler antlered animal for the last four days, I'm Goin home, but you have this this all this interaction that goes on, in my happens, like the guilt hook. If I go home, I've just wasted for days that I here that I should have been here to potentially get an episode in all or potentially harvested animal, bring it home and to eat it. You know, I'm wasting that if I go home now mcwhirter, if I stay, stick it out, I'm stoop because I'm not find any animals or whatever so there's. This is a constant because, when you're buyers There's nobody to talk you into things and there's nobody talks you out of things. So when you make it vision, it's yours and you got to live with it. You got to do it, you know. So, if I'm hiking up a mountain in it and a deer is bedded somewhere, and I know that if I hike around us wait two miles. I can get to him without a winding me or like? I did on the last day of my hand, I said: yeah

ambled winds born here? If I go here, it's it's it's if he, but if I go here, I can it's. I can cut off two miles of distance, but I might have ass, you get on it, but it Go this way it's two miles, but to guarantee I could get it without the went Lastly, I chose the short cut in what I do. I blew the dear out dear dear caught my sent and was gone. What is there anything that works for covering sank, ass? You are using some stuff on the episode that I saw last week, where you were that no, blocker yeah sure I tried that knows. Gammarus! That's that's tough different! I guess I'm not as we'd I'm not a cent guy, I'm not a cover sent. Not, I don't believe in it. I don't. Somebody to have good Lord they're, trying to convince me that works and it may work, but there was an instance on that absolutely cause. I don't wanna down, talk, knows jammer, you know because they're they're there, advertising on the show, but it's not it's a product that I too I committed to him when I met the honor, I met John Redmond trade showing in Reno and he's

I was thinkin passion about, and I told him to his face and my job leaving that stuff man. It's all hope, smells snarls this fund. I don't want anything smells like now. Try above about so turns out I'd. He gives me a Canada stuff and I try it there in Oklahoma, ass, the first, how I'd ever tried it in there a bucket came down wind and he obvious I smelled somethin you tell he was like yeah he's like a nun, and that was awesome because I was like as he smelling, but you know what the dear could have done that by smelling me or smelling. The vanilla that I just rubbed over the tree or whatever that will do whatever is in the nose jammer, but something concrete, used his sensory glancing? That's the point behind those jammer, I guess is to turn a kind of confused or sensory glances it just pause them just without one minute, so, hopefully near shot at him, but I did it that dear up and then they moved on. So there was there's some validity to two that I guess, but would that dear the same thing if I rubbed cocoanut oil on on my pants, your who knows, I right

could you I'll you'd have to have the exact same scenario, with exact zeal, animal bunch of different options, and that's why for me personally. I've had so much experience in the field and that I've had so many times what I've tried. Different things and times will have just gone natural. You know we're just me and my body odor or that's it and ultimately, at the end of the day, my conclusion is banned in, and it is true that to date and that's not to say that I can't change over time and as long as I have more hunting experiences right now. I don't want to reject any forms sent into the air you known, I want gonna have a smell to me. No matter what I do what want shower and no matter what I spray my closed down with, doesn't matter I'm gonna smell a certain way that is not natural to that environment. So in that here walks into his bedroom, because a dune adheres never anywhere by chance

he's never anywhere randomly he's, he's walking or he's walking for a reason. You know he knows that's a safety corridor where he can transfer, he can move himself from food to bed or whatever Safeway and so he's there for a reason, if he smells anything out of the ordinary or sees anything out of the ordinary he's automatically gonna be on alert, and you know that variations to everything, because cropland and where you hunt some of these white tells us farm land where I hunt there in Oklahoma, it's an opera. Cattle ranch, so the dear could have smelled people before had to a because there's oil rigs in there, where the there's people in and out so they know what people smell, like to me. I use that into my into my little thinking. Is that it They know what humans smell like they want to avoid it so they're travelling these corridors because they know they can avoid humans. So traveling worries travelling, because he knows he's not going to have any interaction with with anything but a deer bride. So to me I use at as will that's the point where I

being I want to get to you killing Sophie's anything s getting back to the same thing if he smells anything out of the ordinary, it's your the gigs up anyway. So dear, have an insane capability, Doyle for smell right, yeah, yeah, I mean you. They say I don't know the exact numbers, I'm I'm not a technical guy, more of a live in the now. You know feel how I feel kind of kind of person, so I've had experiences, were a dear, has been thousand fifteen George down when any smells me. It blows me away like that fears. Fifteen hundred yards wave mean he smells me and he takes because in the west you can see that we'll see what goes on so when you're, Naked around you see that dear put his head up- and you know you, you know when their smelling and they're gone, if smell you they're out there, but you know what I this year, there several times right bump these two big box? I bumped him three different times. The first two times. They just saw me and they didn't snowman. They just kind of Mozart off their like sums, something weird over there. You know that bushes and spoke to be moving like that, but then

one time that they smell me. They didn't see me they'd snowman. They were gone when they booked this. This more, your breath like what are they smell and add you recently, fourteen towards don't german idea. Well, there's theirs, it depends is breath. It's it's. We have assent in her own age, snow myself, right now sit near, but it's like Haven't we haven't aroma about us just like they haven't aroma about them now, so you go wash your clothes in the San free stuff, you spray whatever, but your third. Minutes into a I come from Sweden and smelling like yeah like say anything. You get me a lemon, nay, the very outskirts their ability Ivan try just play the wind. You know I mean that's hard to because, like you know, there's millions of or advertising dollars spent in promoting sent elimination products in a lot of some of my sponsors promote, sent elimination clothing or whatever and at the end of the day, all that stuff can help it can

when aid like yours, Santa, can take your your sent a Roma from here to here, which is good. That's your advantage. About those things, those ozone things But for that I don't know, I I dealt with those with water, but I don't know who was the giant boxes above your yeah? We stand there's a So why did you like music, something like elevated music to calm down, put some say them? What's up with a its air, cleaner thing yeah it's the ozone it puts out, which I must express with those only water. When I worked for water companies, the ozone as it is a form of of Santa sanitizing yeah, yeah keeps aligns clean and keeps keeps everything clean. So I guess, if you injected into the air- and you can smell ozone like after a good heavy rainstorm or something you can now the ozone in the area can smell the smell it. Ozone from the ozone layer from yeah from just from the entire these hands it yeah. It is

both the icons does Sutton yeah. You can get it for your house. I know people have gotten around the house in. It lowers the dust levels. Allergens really yet paralyzes. It brings right yeah, but is an ozone, toxic, indian, indian Yeah, you can get yourself pretty sick from a few soldiers military stem blow and ozone. Your fate, I can't speak to me on all man is one more thing I gotta get a tree. I never use want me. Let me come to me and say I will give you fifty grand uses thing. I would like to take you. Fifty grandma Why? How rude Saint podcast, ladies and gentlemen, I you know, we'll go to jail strain, honest, I'm not, I repeat, turned down. I had a sponsorship at one time with a cent elimination company and they wanted to grow. That's partnership, the court there was other pretends to it to move to another network, indifferent things and I ended up turning down because it's it's I told him exactly like this is not a product that I can get behind a hundred percent and if I can

if I can believe in what it is the people to see right through that right? So for me as like that money that you're gonna, give me does does, does us both know, get right. Russia lightened, discontinue their relations, but that sponsor yeah. I feel the same way about sponsors for the podcast. I turn down a bunch at turn down. One recently was pretty lucrative, but I'd like to see. If I don't like it like what their sellen, unlike the idea, not doing but the tv show some of you know, do you see some of the ads or that the billboards at a running? In short, everything one. He's gotta realise too from a production standpoint as we have sponsor. Corner, co sponsors there. We are backing under armor. You know, prime five all these that that are backers and invested knew no, not yet the pretty much investors in that in you and your business in your brand and then there's adds that you sell you know thirty second commercial spot. So such things, that's adds placement that either the network's going put in there or I'm gonna sell to somebody who put in your that so many times. I feel I understand how outdoor showed York there.

Short shows work a little bit different. That alot other shows a lot of times they get like saying a guy puts on a show like Solo Hunter, you have a certain amount of advertising space, that's for you for your programme, but then the network has a certain amount of advertising space of their own are things like I had to tell Rinella about an advertiser that was competing with one of his friends companies. That was on the same show good. You know that you guys are sellen this on your show. You is why we're sell a man, I don't you your show how to add for this, which rip off, because they can protect the category yeah recycling for Gunnar armor and some of these are these. The major sponsors you protect categories, so somebody bicycle commercial spot on the chauffeur say: that's protected, I'm not gonna glum find another clothing guy. You arrive answer answering that I'm exclusive for these guys, yeah. That makes sense. So it's For folks, I don't know what you're exactly how you saying it's it's a kind of a unique thing. You kind of buying time

our yeah there's this wanting, I tell people, you knows, is there's no rule book, but there's no playbook either. So the network's there's a lot of variations. You know the majority of hunting chose out there that call time vice where we buy a times. We buy that thirty minute block on the network, and then we we buy the a certain amount of advertising and we sell out ever rising and then, whatever advertising we don't buy from the network as it within a thirty minute. Comer thirty minute block, you have six minutes a commercial time, so it is three to many commercial. Rex, so whether I, by any of those commercial times, are not outdoor channels, gonna put in three two minute breaks into that that programming. So my thirty minutes turns into twenty two. May So what I do is I buy. However, thirty second commercial spots I can sell. I buy that from the network. I turn so that sell a margin, Then, within the show content there's you know I get paid to wear somebody's hat, get paid or somebody's sure. You know. If I use a product I get paid and there's diff.

Had placements in there, and so it becomes more people think that it's a ball about hunting huntings the fun part, but for me the businesses that part two, so you're you're trying to calculate in that thirty minutes? How can I maximize maximize my revenue? You know because you can, we have you, have a limited number of of advertising spots can put in their swords. Who can I who can I contract and whose who, who can we fit in certain play so very interesting way to produce television. A lot of folks are unaware of it's cool in a way because there are shows on the hunting television that are more like discovery channel where the network pays for them to be produced and they actually own. The content are called outdoor channel, originals run Sportsman Channel. I don't know what the whatever more the network, is invested into these shows or they give him the our time for certain trainers. There's there's a myriad of ways. Things can be done, but I want at the end of the day I want so launder, and I went on timber net one on my brand. You know I dont want just because their buying the show off me. I don't want to have them have any control over me

you're. What I do, what I say or what advertisers I can bring in at the end of the day you I'm I'm having to front some money and and run it as a business rather than somebody paying me to produce a show, but at the end of the day, there's no limit what I can make others no limit to the advertising that I can sell, and I own myself I, on the show on the bran. Are you aware of this whole sort of movement? That's going on right now on television, on regular television like the history channel and while these channels, where there really concentrating on people that are trying to live sustainable lives, like the Alaska shows, like Alaska last frontier whore, there's another a lifeless zero. Have you ever seen a good show, and so on a lot of it. His hunting yeah- and I follow that stuff. Probably more than I do the hunting industry. Because to me that's it's obviously mainstream, but it's more fascinating because you don't have individual little guys. Like me,

actualises and coming up with the content, your big boys in big rooms, making big decisions with big big checks doing big analysis on viewership and on what people are looking for on, you have been creating the concepts in the ideas. So to me, it's like those people I want to. I want to watch because those are the people with the brains in the backing behind them. Knowing with, if with their hand, on the pulse of was societies looking for so long. Guidelines allegedly allegedly hygiene? Oh yeah, yeah. I mean monster time. They just tv fuck heads. The hard thing was that is, is like you know, there's a larger part of society that are non hunters non outdoorsman and there are that are Georgian? But you start to see a lot of content, see how people trying to portray that lifestyle yeah? That's why I asked you because I think it's there's there's this move right now, and you see it and like weird ways like you see it like papers, Magala these, where people that are like canning foods and dig in holes in their backyard.

In water bottles, making items in coffee having papers. It's weird, you know, because Some of them are like living in cities and their putting all the stuff together, and can I got news for you if you're late in a city and should hit the fan. You better get the fuck out of that city. That's what I told my wife and I ve- no I'm flying through Vegas into Ella on nine eleven. It's like There's no more to go like you guys do. None here, there's no way to escape nowhere where I'm out, unlike the backdoor, gone middle of Nevada Desert. You Jeff you'll, never find me, but here I will gonna be. There is also you're gonna, be surrounded by a bunch people who don't have any food, Danone, water and they find out. You have food and water. You better have a lot of bullets fuck and after all the stairway, don't let people know you ve got a year supplier, yet don't get on a proper show. It shows the fuck in front of your house and all your neighbors nowhere you're stored food is it's a fan, there's a lot of us that are in trouble. Ultimately, societies gonna have to bond together and those those that's. Where

religion. A lot of these groups will come together and that's where I will become valuable. No four! Four people, don't seated. Like that's word. Little groups communities you know where, if you don't know neighbor men should go you're. Thinking neighbour, because the guy might be let my guy might be covering your back one night in maybe so you need to know your area. It's a fan, we're all screwed, anyways yeah yeah most like AUS wasn't, as other show that I must do all that time called radio lab podcast and they are talking about the the impact that killed the dinosaurs and when they were talking about it. It was like going over like what the original human was like. This thing that allegedly came out of that impact like what animals but fossils, they know of its almost like, rather get hit and add by the asteroids and go through all this shit. I know you don't want to be the good, the people that have babies in a popup, apocalyptic environment than those babies grow on deck fuck me,

glad you live in an era where they can make. Cotton really really saw Sava blankets and warm. He did you don't have to do. I am a big fan of civilisation, but I am a big fan of this. Will the routine him of the proper thing, because I think there's this people or sort of realising as people pay more attention to allow the issues that society has, whether to environmental issues like whether its but pollution or garbage is being done into the ocean and or in the amount of fish that getting pulled out of the ocean sustainability, and they start looking at the ideas like where their food comes from, like people really in a grass fed beef now Grass FED Beef is a big thing. Wasn't just fuckin nonexistent. Ten years ago I never saw grass FED beef anywhere. Almost every supermarket. I go to now has section grass FED meet. You know, and people are concerned about animals that are eating with their supposed to be eating. Instead of some weird fucking, great news for four people as beef.

Now being here in the west. We see a lot of that agenda The majority of its life is grass FED, they turn out on the range they paid. They pay fees for them to be a lamb or, whereas the grass fed up until about three months at the end of their life, whether put onto a feed lot fed a bunch of fat foods, fattened obsolete, taste good. When I put him grill. That's there's a reason why my opinion why foods been engineered in and changed? because it makes them. We get our poplar people to feed you know for one year, but So in a way that's good, but has I can go out and still obtain a D artagnan L Tangle out get my own meat for myself. I want to continue to do that. Yeah, that's just it's a totally different kind of meat. That was that the point is that they, when you eat a stake from an elk or a deer, and then he eat a stake from a cow like

One of them is a fat lazy fuck. That's like like marveling like that she's not supposed to be there. So I got it. I had a river last lie a bone in rebar delicious, I'm sure was not fucking grass FED whatsoever saw grass growing ever feared for its life, even probably not to the end. I didn't even know the ending of acts, Fallon civilians and acts out in order to insist in testing It is that thing like no country frogmen, that thing uses around warheads. Then the writings I remember in high school, I watch a video on on the butchering process. You know and made me sick when they when they, when they killed the cow made me made me sick. After that it wasn't that big of a deal. You know I have dealt with that before but was weird, is when they do it kosher style. I kosher you have to cut its throat and it suffers way more. It's it's very strange. They have rules.

And the lot of the rules are like old school religious rules, like the reason why you not supposed to eat pigs was because a lot of pigs carry trichinosis, that's what they did back in the day at least, and so they were telling people don't eat pigs. Why? Because people eat pigs, they got really fucking sick so they rode down. Don't you pigs against the related way? I grew up in on you talk about organic. Can you talk about raw mean? The way I grew up is probably about as organic and rob you can get em in whole milk. From the car. You knocked a coward taken in strain it through a cloth. Rounded cloth, Gillette skim them. Cream off or shake it in and you drink. You know no past rotation, nothing! That's how that's how I grew up. There was a time there, one when my dad was a farmer. He lost the farm. So here we go back to college. Will there was a big times, it's in there where we had to sustain off the land, your off of the farm we had animals eat and the farmers would come and drop off a sack of potatoes because they knew that these those low rugged kids, you other dad's off, go under

and your mom is trying to take care of man, and so we literally lived off the land for your dad was somewhere else, and you were on the down went to college in Provo Utah. While we lived in Central Idaho Oak as he was went back to school to get his teaching degree because we lost the farm me who's, a potato farmer, a long time so we're living on the farm and it wasn't wasn't. Unusual for more They go out grab one of the round It's that we're raising and I'll never forget the first rabbit, the other that I was washed. Her kill hung up smacked it on the head, and you know we rather for dinner, and it was. There is a lot of times, whereas, like Timothy, can you go grab it? Can you know we need? We need some. We need dinner, wherever you go out and you get a chicken and yet you take care of and bring it in. You know: There is just part of the lifestyle that I grew up, that you didn't go to the grocery store and get things you went out to the garden. You pulled off out his keen you and pulled him tomatoes you. And what was really cause irrigation sis

that was there. The little ditches amene Asperity everywhere. Wild rhubarb, I mean there's always different kinds of things that we pay We did out of necessity during that time span more so than out of yeah we're gonna live off of our farm limb of what we create, but I think that time span. Taught me a lot about the reality of life and death, the reality of hey you can create and be so completely self sustained you. You can be create your own food everything right here, just on one tiny little farm, and then also that's that's. What kind of gave me a love in a path, with animals, because your raising, you know a calf from the time its born you ve, bottle, feeding it you

eating it all throughout, through the winter time, breaking the ice off the water problem, everything else next spring, you're, killing it and then going to eat it. You know so there's that the whole span where you go from life to death in a five six eight month period of time and as a young kid that could be either dramatic or that can be a major life learning experience. You know- and I took that as this is where life is that's way- that's things happen. So when I grew up and you get older, you get to college and people start throwing the. Ah you you know you eat animals or this in that and a vegetarian stuff. You start learning two things are the world: that's where it's like man, you people are the ones that are crazy. Not me. Yet this is so much ignorance involved and people that live in cities and in our claim that there's something wrong with people that eat animals is did the the what's wrong. Is factory farming that there's something wrong about factory farming, something wrong

Jami jamming a chickens into chickens into a box, it so small, a can't move and cut their beaks on peck each eyes. Have that's a things. Do they have to do that in order to provide enough food for people? That's that's right and allows rhyme ignorant on the subject, because it's like man, part of it, is like we gotta produce food. We ve got out Gmos. We gotta have grand grow faster. We gotta have these different things just to provide food for this summer, because we're providing food people all over the world. So, like Tang where's, the fine line there are worse where's, the good point. I just think that the ethics involved in in raising animals- I think it is important. It is annoying and it's important that these animals don't suffer, need Leslie, but the idea that eating them is wrong. It's like boy. There's some weird. It's the very shallow minded argument, in my opinion, or the not shallow minded, but the exploration of that idea. The exploration that idea is it's kind of simplistic, because If you just let the animals free,

Ok, no more! No more livestock! No more! This! Where would you gonna do with all those animals? You can just let him Rome free and if you let him run free how you plan on DR anywhere because of your plan- and I don't like you- want to keep them pent up even keep feeding many do not eat them. What you gonna do when there's too many of them, while I shouldn't and that many to begin with you now it's because of the factory farming that there are, that many pigs or that many turkey's or whatever you know what you're doing and the Hamptons the Hamptons like a really ranch area around Europe. Your part, just as the first time I heard about that to trying to give birth control to try to give dear birth control, you mean birth, hundreds of hours, they do. What are they doing to rehash? The fuck is wrong with you. Don Loris Control and certain cities. I think I've birth control. It's like you know it's. A twenty two sent three will mean: that's birth control, yeah, or arrows I mean, and one of the shows Wada. Numb, do never never Vinos gas never

They won't break new Jersey, this is done in your loud to take up to five dear and it's so controlled that they want to know at the end of every day, Up on these trees stands these people's backyards just fuckin dear everywhere. Market around in North Africa yeah, yeah yeah, so that places mobbed mire dear yeah came a drive at night, yes, so that what they do they shut down the parks they allow you to go and, after all, the dear Seas is done and you're allowed to take up to five. Why did it so controlled that they want to know? At the end of every day we have to log on a piece of paper party, your license. What you seen and how many where they were the guys in Boston like Mitch and TIM, where I was showing me where they were hunting right, though, and visit, is like five in its away from New Plymouth Rock cutting right there on the ocean and enter the house just like man. That's crazy, overwhelmed with, like urban, dear or suburban sober

dear yeah. That's a big issue also with ticks, because those here the ones that are carrying those dear ticks knows the ones that are carrying that line disease in my room, some steps obsessed with tax it every time she talks men found. Did you check your self protects now baby? I can't see, for regional, suffer take an hour in his kid. Both got lung disease and one of his producers never heard of him. He got he got it really bad head. This policy. Sad yet was ugly but He was saying on the last park as it did with them, but they they did some study of ticks in the Hudson, balancing value, Hudson, cannoneers, something like seventy to eighty percent of them have long disease. It's a fucking epidemics creates. Will they head? Does stinkin watch Mccall it burning man in Nevada. Doubt there always are people got not West now. What are you I'm from the above mosquito six? Yet sixteen twenty three thousand people what came down it was not. You watch

all the more reason I wanted to go to burning. There's no need for any more reasons, not gonna break, but if you did need one, that's it already managed to hand out soap. I do find myself upon the mountain. Those sometimes liking forgot anytime, but you know I've. Never I mean there's one Oh dear I shot last week holy cow. Did you see the cape? There's ticks everywhere, Javert literally just and what's crazies when, after the animal dies in your? U I brought it back and I kept it out. Nothing which is You know a keeping, as is when you take the hide for mounting you, so you take it off their inaction and you bring it back. You turn it and you have a mountains. We can preserve you whether to trophy or you can preserve your memories, whatever it is, but once a dies, and it goes through the cooling process. The ticks not don't have anywhere warmed to say any more on. There's no blood, there's nothing, so they just start coming out. Like crazy, I mean there was a pile of ticks man, that's

you tell him what you do. Just let him down you can't kill a tick mean we storm when we have sheep and stuff and would be on the farm Conic Roy your finger nail over and crush them and try to kill him, but there are tough you like a flea. Just don't pneumonia Heather, thereby Jackie. The sign, an item that I can have lain disease. I would never know I think you'd start feel like shit some days you feel bad someday. What they say that you don't remember. How do you like him eightys and Ninetys, alot of people were coming down with chronic fatigue syndrome. They linked to line. Is that what you're yeah he bore saying. Well, there was it was a real issue like people saying, oh you know, my friend is chronic fatigue syndrome like what does what does that mean? Well, sometimes people just get for whatever reason, I'm just tired, all the time, their body eggs or why you don't know all that now. They believed that a lot of those people have long disease because up there's a lot of doctors to this day that are reluctant to diagnosis but lung disease. That's what Ranal ran into with his kid

it was like. I think my kids guideline disease and doctors like don't worry about it's nothin and then it turns out it. How did you know he was really fuckin pissed off his brows kid in their three time, but still share slap them on riddle of in a hurried. Yet put you can Prozac help us against. If I took my kid, enabling is eighty d, you gonna go to combat kid downward norm and he's a boy Burning man was not infected with West now voicing our era. Where would we that's the whole imposing one to believe that in that area and some traps, but there wasn't any people or can only one case in that country. So the whole last five minutes that segment. There are so many people out there scream and you guys are wrong you're, so full of credit rating land, every podcast I've ever had ever. I got news every eyes tat. There is no way around it doesn't matter, you gotta do so. I guess sixteen thousand zero clothes. Close mark well, when you think about

was seven billion people on the planet. I sent her close enough so back to work this this this movement, this trend that people are having to sort of, I think I think lot of it comes of people that are kind of trying to shy away from GM foods and these people that are trying to move towards this inability, and I think that's what's being reflected in a lot shows, but I find it fast The people are really into these shows that have never had any desire to hunt and they accept it like, especially like life below zero is a really good one and they accept how these people live because well, hey those people live out in the bush, they have no choice and it it's a unique lifestyle choice. Instead of you know, hey TIM Burnett likes to go out and shoot things and hunt them in and film it, but I feel like it's the same thing. I really do. I feel like it's exact,

same thing. It just Dave Stylistic Lee labelled it in a different way and it became a reality show about unique people. Does that mean have to accept a hippie, the in all its out. Their hump, unlike makes all over, and you know, trans meaning Jesus everywhere, because that's a lifestyle that they chose. You know also like the hump makes humping like lakeside on what I think to animal Rogan you're ruining my example is our sand with such as this because they're they're saying that its acceptable, because those people interjected their themselves it about lifestyle source like ok, so the people there are living of you now whatever lifestyle? Should I accept that just because there are putting themselves in their lifestyles like Y know accepting any lifestyle, it doesn't intrude on mine, When I see these some, these reality shows what everyone I call them where these people are living, sustainable life. I guess I find it super intriguing like almost in a primal way like I love

Juno shows. I think it's this light blue. Zero, this one guy things, names Glenn and he lives deep in the woods. Ok lives right next to the lake and he doesn't have any power is not know. He doesn't have a fuckin snowmobile like there's levels that these guys do at some guys have snowmobiles one guy, Eric he has a snowmobile any traps and HANS and sells the furs and things along those lines, and so he get some money for that for supply, and then he also guides he's a hunting, but this other guy Glenn he's not None of that mean all. He has some firstly, cells in with that with the money gets bullets and that's basically Alias tin, can ennobled pots and pans and things along those lines for cooking, but everything he does is bees chopping his own? Would he makes his on fire with like one of those things he puts like the peace in its mouth with the stick, so he can hold it place and does the whole thing with the fuckin with that will it looks like one those things you play the violin with

I said: I'm gonna love to the era of fire, Bow Buddy, it's an old school one where he holds a piece in his mouth that keeps a stick and play. So he can. I got gotta blowing use of hands in the mosaic of Rapid, really getting around pushed down with one arm and yet another. So he bites down on it with his teeth, holds the stick in place and he can make a fire pretty quickly. Like that's pretty interesting to watch, but he said: hey, you know you could lose matches matches get wet. This ILO, never lose so he's gone so old school like camp as as old school as old school gets, and it's amazing its fastened.

Over this guy. When he talks about it, he talks about how exciting and enriching every day is for him. Everyday has a purpose. Everyday is you know, acquiring food living off the land figure out a way to store that food he's got this like this meat cooler room that he's built, that's like a sod house, and so he has all the sod over it. You know the kind of keep it essentially underground, keep it cool and he has always meet hanging in there. It's just It creates incredibly fascinating that people like tuned into this stuff and gear in a lot of my friends have never had any desire to hunt whatsoever watch tv shows and sir sparks that little fascination inside of them. It's gotta be good. That's gotta, be a good thing. Yeah and that's the dislike Alaska, the last frontier? That's one that I really like you and I think that one's kind of twofold reason I like it is one because the Kashmir, the characters loomed pretty

pretty interesting, and I like it, I like that, but to its it's, the subsistence lifestyle, the subsistence lifestyle, yeah that that's an interesting one too, because as different people, that family, to do a different ways to one guy autos, a cattle rancher and he's got his cattle There's the son who just decides no cattle ranching just gonna go off a hunting, but do the whole thing? No good luck, yeah! Good luck, while any it can be done, but man sign as easy as people would think it is twenty four hour pro position and then there's there was one just on the discovery. Channel must have only ran for a few weeks called the hunter, something we're though they were documenting or final. Ten ten, we all fitters you something gets James Hatfield from Metallica was the whole development egg. He got a lot of flak for for going on there, something, but it's like it's like you know,. The mainstream networks, I guess that's kind of a frustration to us like a why can't hunt showgirl mainstream? What can a typical on sugar mainstream? Well

I don't know society would accept that are not an amazing. You know and yet the discovery jail could come out with a series like that that his hunting in its bears you'd all their hunting bears like how Why do? Why? Is that? Ok for discovery channel? Do that, but for me to go out in Philadelphia thing is changing: that's why I brought it up and I was gonna bring up the hunt because I think it is changing. They tried to get James Hadfield from the Glastonbury Music Festival because he host the hunt and they used a photograph that they said was him standing grizzly bear, but it wasn't even him. It's not him. That follow up another photo that guy who is the actual hunter? He he's been sort of going out publicly and promoting this, like. I don't know why these these anti hunt is useless photo of a guy who kind assorted looks like James have failed, but it's not James Hadfield at all, so its complete bullshit, it's

what he's doing just narrative it they took into you know this idea, and they they ran with it in their being now really dishonest, whether this is the guy scene, promoting that as James Hadfield, just because he was a narrator behind the gag. Emily kind of looks like I'm a little bit, but it's not. It's not James Hadfield at all, that's James Hatfield. I mean James Hadfield does hunt but does not him. Over that Grizzly Bear so the entire problem. So this thing that they were doing to try to get people off of get Metallica removed from this music festival. Was this bullshit photograph. Have you had any hand against you from four you going on as loudly avidly words like oh yeah? Don't let Rogan you know, I'm going with you have anymore now. How could you do that age vikings, you that's the thing about being. Rising commentary already doing something so fucked up

involved in what some people think it's human cock, fighting their hair if you go out and Shoot animals but yeah I've had people angry at me. Definitely people coming a piece of shit, especially for the bear. The bear was a bit there's a photo Mein Kampf and cam standing with shot, and I got more heat for that for anything I ever did pick it up. I think it's because people have this, what they call anthropomorphic ation, I think, is the word where they connect the animals to shoot with human characteristics like Yogi, bare and fuck, and all these ridiculous you and unthinkable. That way. We example loving those animals in there, This idea of what wild life is: that's completely alien from wild life itself. Those folks that I went bear hunting with Cameroon Haines and the rivets Johnny Jenny Rivet, they run this up.

Live in the dream, outfit or company up in our Berta the nicest. Why can t be around me? Your life, and they have they? Have animals have dogs, they love their dogs, they have a puppy people donor stand. Hunting would never imagined that is people who shoot bears all day and Cologne pet, their puppy it I would like to them. It seems like completely contradictory and alien account either. God what animals you're shooting and what animals you're you're. Putting an I can respect. Aren't you can see? Why me my wife the same when she's like? How can you love animals? So much, and you know when you see a deer hit on the side of the road you like manna, socks and then We could go on, kill one she's like I don't get it and unlike well, it's it's thing? It's not killing. You deceive me sheets, media She she's fine, she'll treated like all cook up smell steak or something. Ah me like an hour.

I admit I am not a right now, I'm not Nuno remedies greatcoat, but I'm like a mortals guys. I want to live a mean I want to put on the grail. It's gonna hit a hundred and twenty degrees, whatever name. You know that like I don't want to spend my time preparing food. I just want to eat it and so some of the stuff I cook doesn't taste that great. You know that's words like that but its major need only meet that I killed and meet that I brought home so I'm gonna eat it, but to her it's like it's a waste of time. So you know if I spent more time preparing it, an aging editing he's doing whatever needs to be done with a rather than just cooking a need in it. She she might tasted, but who now so she doesn't need again, me now. I could want I'm wires like pay. This is the best it was tenderloin from an Al Qaeda and granted. I cooked it on the ground. Like a promotion of- and I was down, was barbecues awesome you couldn't tell I can tell because, like I want this to taste exactly like beef, which did

and she chewed on it took one bite into an spit it out loud and, of course, my always there. So he I don't ever want to deer ever again, dad you know cause mom spit it out as like known on mommy's doesn't like it. I don't know what it is dangerous to hammer out a dollar time? Like pages try but she's like you can't even looked at in the house, you know don't even cook it in the house. She won't let you could in the house she were. May she wears Lyman up our the pattern is getting to reclaim Valley latelies. Let me be the man now yeah she's like if you're gonna cut that go outside sounds like that? I put it on the growing old shoe the crap out of it and our valued at an angel. Oh, my. My wife grew up in a hunting family. She used to eating like wild game. She likes it and our kids have been eating it since ice.

Hunting two years ago. So when my my youngest daughter was too, there was the first time she had dear says she's been eating dear since down I take bellied anything on my kids. If my kids have been raised on, I mean, maybe even more wild game that a lot of kids, I'm sure major donor units is the same as meat meat. When I took me, it's me whether it's a deer and elk Right In whatever might my two year old, she's everything's ticket, more chicken, more chicken, you known to be a good idea, Buffalo Guerrilla, because I'm out of everything of chicken, it's it's a weird thing: where people have this like this connection with some animals are like your friends and some animals like you shouldn't, you should never hunt this like. I have an agent she's, a very nice person, loves animals, but she told me I don't want a few tail pigs, while pigs are discussing the so ugly, Leslie she's like their ugly. You can kill me because their ugly, unlike is it therefore that there that's the thing. The kind of stare takes me off

like the network promotes support, ellipse crap. Now you and I have here's the thing and little background story this. I grew up on a farm obsolete, at one time we had a hog operation with hundreds of pigs in order, but, like I have a love for eggs. I love though I love animals. They got. Personalities are really cool. You Norman there there cool So when I see somebody who were named nameless on a tv show, tv man one arrow through to pigs and that's ok. But yet, if I, You want arrow through too dear, you know. Even legal or to whatever it's, not ok, and the very next minute shoot. You know a wheedling ten pound pig in the head with a pellet rifle and watch sit there flail on the ground. That's bull, crap While it is logical that hot water, that little pity like dont, show me that do you can do it? I don't care dont show me that you don't show public because to me I think that the worst enemies for four hunters and hunting, television or hunters and hunting television worthwhile, our worst it

first advocate- and I say we- I lump a solemn, broad, brute broad strokes, but it's like theirs. No money out there doing things that, the reality of it. But it's not it's not one species. I know what you're saying and I explain to people who don't know what you're saying there there, Certain shows and is one show called pig man I wasn't gonna say. I said it. I said sorry Matt anyway PIG man, he did what they're doing a lot is population. Can or rather than hunting, and they are shooting animals, but the shooting animals have overrun these farms so Some of the moon, you saying a pork ellipse. What they're doing is they're getting these helicopters. We played video of its the crazy shit ever of him, a new joint up and helicopters with fuckin automatic rifles take now, pigs like in mass, they shot foreign and fifty of them are something to day once it's crazy. I've ever seen. This pigs are running and their boom heads How does the run in their tumbling? And it's not

about like we're, gonna go and shoot and animal harvest dead and then use it and aided in a known and show the hunting life's. I know it's it's like it's a murder, fast. Yes, like pigs have a pass because of what they are, what what they're doing, because their cousin, brilliant proudly billions of dollars and damage Europe crops in that smells like pigs pigs have been removed from the game animal category. Their virtues is like a cat. It gets like a kind of their varmints but we'll say, probably almost shows a guarantee. They have to learn that meat has to be you somewhere and take taken in donated in process. The Kansas leave him. Let him and that's all thanks. I don't deal with four hundred favour, Gilan believe and have the resources to gather up all the data that are because, if their shootin that many hogs they're not doing anything with it to me, that's bull crap they ve got to the resources just like in New Zealand when they go in and call out. You know that the the wild deer in that in there because there's no predators they have the resources to go on with a chopper and pull it out and they they they harvest at me.

Shoot and foreign and fifty pigs bastards better, have a waiter to keep that may cause that's ridiculous if they are, in my opinion, my opinion, yeah! Well, I agree with you because it's a massive wave of great me while pig is absolutely delicious. It's really good for you. It's completely different from domestic pig. In the way it looks as if animals are eating all kinds of different natural things, routes and grasses and they're, not grain. It's not like white cycle white meat like there was a thing that they had this thing. The pork, the other white meat. In that vein, Wiersma of Wild pig folks. Now I waited odds, fuckin red and as read as a dear, but it's a dark meat because its healthy we should invest in a barbecue house and go and put a barbecue house in Texas and then just go, kill all the wild pigs and use that to get all your meat will. Thus, with pig man, So what does yeah? I saw us that show your colleagues can call it that stupid series on this heritage

Gregory and hence like don't worry about. Whilst others is like, you know, of no concept behind a school buses, Well, it doesn't radiology, they were, they were doing that they were killing hog and and go in and providing into this he had our own barbecue players, which is a great idea, but I don't think it totally legal, the least might be useful, Xl Wild gag. If I killed and Elk, I can't sell it now, which is good thing. Yeah yeah, but I can donated in detail amount of travelling hunting. I do I don't know a lot of meat. Lotta logic place you I wouldn't managers. Do yes, but don't you think, that's like wild pigs if they came a revenue source like that. If they had a restaurant If they have an animal that is so completely overpopulated overrun the know how many tag limits which pigs are at right now you can just go and shoot pigs all day long knelt they'll be happy for including California, which is like one of the

liberal states ever, which has all sorts of crazy regulations on animals that need to be called an aren't like theirs. Real issues here with mountain lions. The real issue with the with people: they don't want people to hunt Mount lines and they don't your stand: how ridiculous over these fuckin things are getting in these poor people that are running farms. Have to do with these animals coming in and just decimating there, the population of their calves in over the the game animals like the people that will tell you about when my mind, hunting was legal in comparison, and then the dear population levels, there's no comparison, rap mean there there's their fuckin everywhere, man to hone ranch where I've been pig running before The guy, who was our guide, told us that he has a trail camera set up over this waterhole and he got sixteen different mountain minds on Cameroon, that's fucking, Craig denying any dear amount lions can eat in a year you wanna Reed, couple days, it's

believe how many mountain lines they have and it's because you can't hunt them, and that is when you have a predator, that can't you can't if we're gonna, be the stewards of the land, which is what most people You're gonna, except that we have regulations on game. We have regulation on. You know of fish that you can pull over the ocean we're supposed to be managing the population of these animals in a smart, intelligent way, and that's good com innovation, but when you remove some animals from that management, simply because of public opinion, not informed public opinion of people who were animal lovers, that's ridiculous! You can't do that. That's that's contrary to the very nature of conservation in the first place, conservation. Isn't simply, we need to preserve the habitat and give these Anna food and make sure the waters not polluted sure that's moss. We are part of it and for people who don't know hunters have been written response

four way, more money that goes to conserving wildlife, habitat conserving wetlands than any other group by far. It's not even close. No no like Ray Hugger Conservation Group has come close to generating the amount of money that has gone into conservationists. Hunters have, but because you, your controlling populations of deer, controlling populations of elk pigs, all that's good, but you control, fuckin, predators to them and their realizing that now a lot of states, so they reintroduce wolves and people are fighting and people hunting wolves like you'd, better go on line and research. Those giant super packs. Wolves in Siberia that storm a farm and kill a hundred horses and no one could do a goddamn thing about it, because you ve got a sound and wolves Gill match and being in a fuckin farm, and you look out the window and you see a pack of wolves just tearing apart whore as no one can do anything about it. That's what happens

it gets out of line and that's the way wolves worked. It generate those super packs. Here's a great story from World WAR Ii. On where the Russians and the Germans had a ceasefire there were in therein woods in Russia. They had a ceasefire. Because so many of them were getting killed by wolves. They would send out these packs there send out. Rather these these parties would like, like search parties to two men at a time, and they would never come back and they would go out and find it those torn apart covered in blood and they realize, oh, my god, these guys you get and taken out by wolves. They were getting targeted by moves. So when they have small, nobody gets had rifles focused soldiers and the boy were eating them, I mean, and so let's talk about wars, Walser Phuket scary does how can do a guided spend a lot of time in the wild alone. Tell me I'd like to week next week I will be camping where there's a lot of wolves, my my and it's like going on, I'm not afraid of bears as much or mountain lands, earning wolves, scare, the crap out of me. You know walls and lighting out an ordered it

what is about women's wolves because there's so much unknown about there's so much unknown about modern wolves. We know about you, know wars of of history old, behind in times like that, when there were super back so that more there just now being re introduced in there's a whole new generation, my generation included. We don't know, we don't know somewhere in there. You get a pact that, just in the wrong way, tally that maybe hasn't hunted down monster has been pressure. And so to me that you so much your bottom. You know so much unproven. You know I could be that first guided does get attacking killed by a wolf. You know: that's that's their because there's more people How to Southern there did make there's more of a chance of a wolf being condition to push people or public than I ever has been before. So I think that is just it's a different animal today than it was a hundred years go or two hundred years ago, and the thought of me? You know me or Hunter somewhere in there. You get a pack that system

Long mentality that maybe hasn't been hunted down monster has been pressure that much pleasure your boy back in the wilderness. You know maybe a little bit more aggressive than in what she would like you know, so they just kind of Crete me out. They should keep you out. Fourteen under this story called the wolves of Paris dilemma: wolves, killed forty people in Paris to the point people had in this. In the immediacy Harris they had killed forty people, and it was that there was a many Wolf Pack fourteen fifty and the animals entered the city, the winter through breaches in its walls. This is so crazy. And this one? They they eventually counter that cornered the walls and they were telling them with stones and spears. Further note Notre Dame Cathedral, that's a fuck crazy store. That's like taken coyoats of today. To this

its roaming around here problem area and turn him into wolves. If that's, if that's a wolf in that environment, that's crazy, Yeah well even scarier, because are obviously a lot bigger and creep here, but people throughout history of had real issues with wolves. But today we associate wolves with being dogs. We think of him as dogs and anybody would hunt evolve as an asshole. What do you think the little red riding hood story. Why was that about a wolf? Why was that about a wall? Why is it the big bad wolf? Why is the? Why is the three little pigs and the big bad wolf? Cuz walls were a fucking issue you. To the woods and the thing we should be worried about was wolves yeah. You want you're kidding to be able to walk to school because there's Wolf Roma, the area. You know Ever. It's like dad but people don't want people. Hunting walls is one of the biggest blow backs. Its work goes back to what you just said. You know said earlier that it is not exactly the same thing that you like you, don't care what lifestyle people leaders launched an effect. You same same concept here: people don't give a crap about other stuff as long as it doesn't affect them.

So it's like they can. We all we all fall into a low base. We can be hypocritical and say you know. I don't like this, and I don't like this in this because that can affect me. But if somebody was if they want to go out, do this fucker, so they look at it as Well, I guess I don't worry, I'm goin now, but you feel like you're right. They, like other people, that don't interact. Those words, usually those walls, don't hurt me because I dont bother my kids walk into school, so don't kill the wolves words but mean oh, my kid might get pounced on by amount LAN, because we live in the world countries but not only that you have to keep their populations down for the health of all the other animals at around them as well that they can start decimating wildlife population. They ve done that without they ve done. That would dear and the areas well, I've been reintroduced the numbers of Elk of drastically I'm from Idaho man. I know that for full on the valley, where I grew up, meaning in the late nineties, early two thousand Elk Belk there was L cunning Heaven.

There was a common down in art Eden not of our cattle fear. Your right at the back a moment, s house what there is elk, Beware and hunting was awesome and they weren't bother and crops running. Will then the wolves come in key imagined. Can you picture of a herd of Elk? You know Sudden there's our real big dog or there are lots of big Cairo, the Kyle picking them often if it takes some quite awhile before they learn and condition themselves it hey, that's not a child, that's something different! So those herds or just standing there. Just like Turkey issue that I never never history around walls. Now they experienced mountain herb, outlines Carlton bears which dont want, like wolves They don't have passed, a pack of wolves comes in, they think there's a damn. Coyoats again we're Jimmy go what's goin on here and the next thing you know it takes them years to condition themselves tore now. L cunning today is different than it was fifteen years ago, because the Elk ACT differently when there's a certain instances where that similar. But there are different animal to hunt today than they were,

Twenty years ago, have you ever been hunting in any way and how to kill and had to keep a predator off the kill? Sir? I was Hutton Dear White tailed, dear actually in Northern Idaho, with bonuses and like toothache. Nay, two thousand nine. Something like that, and I was film aren't you know this was before I started a tv show, but at that time already had had the key. Set of Solo hunter in mind some film on everything and adjust delight like it's done: and so I go to take the camera off the arm that I had my foot. The switch the cameras down the monetary crushed, so that crap will then dear comes out Am I glad I'm Goin home tomorrow anyway, so I grabbed my bow thumped. The deer and sit down. The dear kind of goes over and starts to do the wobble thing wall next thing you know a bare pulls out. A blackberry comes up and takes, dear down immediately pulls it over this hillside and, unlike that, was pretty cool. I wish tat. I was just my was more mad at myself than awestruck beginners like a drop Madame camera the tree, and I could have film that, but

so I was more like just upset, so I thought no big deal I'll just climb down go down spoke to bear off, get my dear go home a big deal. So I go on I'm trail and trail on this dear and I've got my flashlight and one out of my bow and the other, and I can hear the bare sliding down the hillside and it's a pretty steep great and, unlike Buyer make a noise doing wherever it is. I'd have experiences there's. No didn't was no big deal, but then everything a quiet and then I was like and worse. Rob was I picked up the phone call, my wife S, baby my trail on a deer I'll be home tomorrow. What's going on in my gauze bear took it knows, I'm stupid. Why would you say that percent of men from then on. My wife's been freaked out about bears, but so often the store ever so I'm I'm trail and often Theseus super quiet good. The bears Conor ran off Amigo dear and I stood up on this- are the stump. It was kind of a logged area. I stood upon the stamp and I'm looking

this flashlight just kind of pan and around looking for the deer and also my here, heard just kind of a noise on it like this right at the base that stamp that bear was on top of that dear just like he's hoofed one time I just how far away from you of four five feet, six feet. I mean it was close. Alright Rummy, I'm standing on the stocks and he's on the side on top of the deer. So I just can't jumped back and went back from it was, I think, and gone after a bear that took down a dear that thinks ass, a dear he just took down so he's gonna, be like the learning defending it, and I, like you, stupid fool. You could just you you couldn't right there and so the next morning I go in no big deal daylight, the deer. The bare doesn't have used that doesn't have bigger coneys during the day. I guess, but he just ran off. I grabbed the dear and I haven't on film. Actually, You look at the first solo Hunter episodes. It, sir so one one. It's got that were I not kill a deer

when I do a flash back of the year before when I was filming the Han and I've got my little handicaps that I filmed. Yellow scratches all over the deer- and you can see where the bear at Eton it out from behind in and let Conniston how much of the bear the deer, the berry He had only in part of the hind quarters and they always go and through the back through softer soft tissue, but here you can see where it scratch lap and where it had dragged down and and just eight per line course, but offer more part, two dear was fine. Salvageable side is cut him up and took him home. So when you, when you have an animal like that and other animals are part of it d worry about being contaminated anyways earning concern. I don't even think about it. There may now to see a cooking and above a certain temperature anyway, but I didn't think about that I don't even know honestly, if that could have been an issue, you now with a bare eating eating the meat. I don't know anybody under? No, if I couldn't get you gotta have troubles, get not a better something's wrong with my balls

cut it out again anywhere at all. You know it's just I don't know. I didn't think about that. There really rivets and I told you about the guys up in northern Canada. They They shot a bare and it was getting dark, and so they went back in the morning to recover it in another. Larger bear was eating it when they got there like a great that's a real issue up their cannibalism. Cannibalism standard as producers can get worse. You know is the numbers increases, can only get worse, can't it they get an get disease or you know and have a die off and his nature as a kind of a way of taking care of itself may before man came along anyway. There was how many millions of Buffalo roaming of countryside and I'm sure there are areas where the disease, or something was bread and there was a die off, and so the herds moved off and split. Often that's how that's kind of how animals, maybe maybe moved across the countryside, is, is different elements of of nature. That happened in also

We look at this as were like you know, I'm on this earth for eighty ninety years. Hopefully will that's that's nothing. In evolution of animals or in the house. How I heard or us or or certain species might balls in an area. You know an elk herd could grow to a certain number and that it could have a die off because a sickness like a girl again well, that might take a hundred years. You know for that process, so us to actually see that that population curve then that's when you start talking about introducing the wolves that population curve takes big dive, quick, but you know what was logic behind reintroducing walls, bureaucracy. I guess because wolves cute and kindly they want em and Yellowstone cause it's a park. But now all there's no fences around Yellowstone. I didn't know that. Did you know that nor fences around Elizabeth grizzly Xanax next enacts next thing. We got grizzlies NATO that are starting to cause issues in the elders. Theirs is all kinds of instances in Montana, grizzlies next animal to to start causing issues. I believe, just because

for some reason now it seems like nature is at its prime forbear populations to grow. Bear numbers, hob numbers, always always populations of animals numbers or continue to steadily grow massively. I think that's just the Gnat, Nate Natural curve of where we're at that. If you weren't involved in managing or anything it had hit that precipice where diseases and cannibalism in all these things will take over and nature would curve itself back down to get sustainable numbers or they would just out eat, eat themselves at home. When you doubled upon the bear, and the bear was like four feet away. If you, with the dear, do use back out of there, I just backed away like well, went back up and then slept in my truck that night and in the next morning I just kind of went around. I had my brought in my gun, and a couple shots on the hillside, the baron's off you, you did the deer the did you have watch that show the hunt I did. I watched one or two episodes of it. End:

problem is, I look at it. I'm ruined cause as a producer. I watch everything as a producer rather than as a viewer and so it economy. I hate that because I ever watch, something in and get true entertainment out of her true value, oh yeah, I know what you mean, but that it was badly produced. In my opinion, I felt like first of all, they tap using this fake bear sound the same, sound over over again, they would interjected and you knew that their interjected, because all suddenly there being a shaky. I'm a wiser. There's gonna be growing. An exact roaring bears Dombes. Damn silent until is ready to kill you and new. They would do it over and over again right before they cut to commercial. So the let's get you to leg tuning. Camera shaken, which, in order to guarantee a very watch Nestlike, bears make noise in the wild and that's the problem was shows, like you know like that, that are putting on the mainstream. There was one called chase entails on there for a while on a two year one of those wars, like everybody, associates hunters, as

flannel wearing overweight, middle aged bearded men? You know and we're not no man were regular. People were whatever you know. You there's all these two types of people that our hunters letter outdoorsman, but society sees us is Bubba while in me these to the limit Patrol Vrain Movie, their assholes poison. The dangers are ass, airs and I didn't know but drawings I usually drunk, and that's that's because it's the same thing concept as you now Disney portrayed animals as people, so we think of animals as people. Well moment Hollywood and whatever else portrays hunters as the dumbest yeah that Most simple minded. When reality you look at you, look at the science and the management board, and conservation and wildlife conservation is not stupid stuff.

Now is not stupid stuff at all. It's very calculated contraceptives for dear that's, stupid, stuff, that's birth control for dear the cost, hundreds of thousands of dollars when Dear D yes they're so they're running around, instead of just having hunters, come in and shoot em with bows and arrows across both whatever you could did to control them police like that. It would only take up on weekends and they could do big now get a lot of meat out of it. Instead, they're going spend hundreds thousand dollars and given birth, What do you think is the answer for people want what you mean why? is going take. Some of you have ever Never convince somebody to hunting is okay. Well, what's the answer? What's what's the main thing, how can we? How can we educate people towards like you know, a hunting is not what what you ve been talk. What you think it is what certain people say. That is why I try to do it. I'm not trying to educate people, but in discussing it in people. Listening to these discussions

the kind of get a more nuanced balanced perspective, and I know for a fact that is a lot of people opposed to my message board that have talked about how they had one opinion of hunting before the pod gas a completely different opinion of it now and they also never factored in policy of wearing leather, having a leather, couch leather seats in your car leather jacket and then complaining about hunting, they don't there were disconnected, and that disconnection is. Let us peace like spoiled little kids. We don't understand where others coming from. We don't have a dog ACT, interaction with the food itself and when do, have a direct interaction with the food itself. When you ve killed the animal yourself. The whole process is a completely different things. I thought you know a meeting in animal that I start shot butchered sliced up, putting the package's vacuums They put it in my freezer thought it out cooked it ate it from a to Z. It's been in my hands and that's it comply

lately different experience than ninety nine percent of anyone who eats me is ever going to have, and I encourage people. I think if you could, If you have the time, I think but people who know where to start that's one thing: the YAP deal. I've got some friends, Now, there's three ever met her just started starting out hunting. Last year they killed their first. Dear you know, and it's funny to its I say funny: it's it's interesting to see that their evolution doesn't like certain you too, for everything. You do this. How do you do that? I'm I haven't. I do you like. Will they had its search on Youtube to find out how to get a dear? So they have this little video clip of them gotten. This dear did try to take it partner, is funniest thing. What it's like a grown man figuring out on their own there's. Nobody out there to teach him there's no sky rules that are like you want to be a hunter come to my school. You wish to do this and it's like. If you want to learn be hands on it's gotta. You got out a mentor. You ve gotta have because I get here like that, all the time, how do I get started, how I live

I live in Arizona Hunt. These mountain ranges. How do I find the dear cause? I spend countless hours trying to find How would you hunt this area? I don't know I don't live there. You told me you'd have to A lot of information are asking our two you'd have to go there. You have to tell them what how much do you know you have to explain to them. What dear habitat is where they, whether nest, where they bed rather there's. Also it's interesting, but it's sort of there's a comparison to be made for you learning how to use computer, where to edit video. You just talk yourself. If you want to do it He's got a kind of figure down teach yourself and the cool thing about today, as he can watch those Youtube videos in back in the day what we have done, you ve gotten a book or something try to like look at the diagrams do what I did you start Letty hands and started cutting stuff comes out, nigger fuck things up

Yeah just start cutting right. You do in Austria, mess yourself up and get the parcel glands. All the me smaller share in own there's a lot of people that ruin me, because I dont understand that proper preparation and how to take care of it wants actually Killin Animal gave us there's a lot to it, and I think talking about it is real good. I think it's important to have guys like you on and Renault ON, Cameroon Hansen and Jim Shockey when he comes onto so people get an understanding of how these people are They are hunters that they're, not those flannel shirt wearing yokels, that you see in these really cartoonish character in a caricature character to catch her caricature characterised your Wemyss saint torture, caricature the caricature of hunters is cartoonish

should heads, I think, yeah, I think you're smart, but having somebody like Shockey because he's at he's at a different he's, a different person than me or Steve or Remy or Cameron. You know we're different than he is. He something special in that, even if you took that man outside of the hunting industry and put him into something else. He was an oil manner say if he was a cattle manner, whatever he's a personality about him and if a philosophical way of speaking and knowledge about him that he's gonna, educate people just based off of way knows how he's gonna say- me and I could say the exact same things, but the way he says it, you're gonna, be like down. I get but I say you can like there's a fool. You know to learn and you want to sit on trying to build up Shockey here I mean I know the guy needs every bit of guys like me, we got it all now

What I'm saying is, I'm glad you have a name and I'm gonna. It's definitely podcast someone be turning into because I like his philosophy behind not only hunting but life. Also behind your own family and everything yeah, I do is, I think, he's a, I think, he's a great person for that ends. I think it's can, I think, that's a type of person that for broad society, is your spokesperson. Why very like that. Now is a great one as well, because, yes, oh well, read he's a great writer and disease are educated, super educated and a guy who really truly cares about environments really truly cares about. Hunting really truly cares about conservation and he's got it's fuckin fantastic shapes you mean, I went hunting with them and the one thing that I was blown away with his how physically demanding hunting is like hiking. I looked at hiking like that for fourteen people, dont really work out. Such policies

but uphill shades of the volcano hard man, especially when you're holding a rifle Cnet swinging your arm to get a pack on like you get exhausted, quick, didn't have to pack, your dear outer, was it like in an area where you didn't have to break it down and put it in your pact? Would you you dear when you hunted in modern and you have to break out of pack it out on your back year. We we, we pull this three of us. It was me Callin in Manila, so my friend Brian Cowen, so when we want to go idea. We had a week we shot at that night guided. It took the liver and the heart cook that that night and then put it up in a tree. We hung and indigenous witchery. So we went there to get it in the morning was kind of late and we have seen some online shit nereocystis. This concerns big ropey shit filled with their outlines, had been hunted in that area, so they probably wouldn't even come close to their good, like those I've seen tomb, outlines and haven't really hit, while you're, California, now never silent,

lived in. Colorado did. I saw the picture on. You are not so yeah there's only I can say about yeah yeah, that's it. I heard so silly. My train on key often strangled at my own sister asked me. If I kill them outline like what the fuck do, you think up a kill, em out. Why would a belt he kid? kill, house cabinet belt. Try to get a house can hold out the fucker and kill them Now that the scratch your eyes out, it's a hundred and fifty km house campaigning for raising I've seen to someone in Colorado really briefly, like bottom, been about the same size likes sixty seventy pounds and dogs. And the other one I saw in my seat. Oh it's like a rest. And shall area in Santa Barbara? I was driving on the street. Besides thing run across the street and first was out of the Cairo, then I saw the tale has tales like Bobby? Nor am I oh shit. That's a cat! and it had more of our bouncy way. Kyle's have that sort of stiff yeah, fuck and

disengage, Ashley way of running, never seen o koyo sleep now, because they don T used to get shot at and chase down imagine being killed. That's like the worst life ever Saki Life like a rabbit. I'd rather be a rabbit than a code for really going to any glove rabbits repents, exactly Yuther, dirty stinky, fucking little animals- I gotTa Coyote cushion in, make up a pillow, that's covered in Cairo, skin gross sleep, so why do you, my wife by some she's? Like I like a multi? She ordered like a couple different kinds of animal skins that were covering the pillows and for whatever she hates Coyote. So for whatever reason she got a kind of one

baby. I brought home this this animal skin couch, that's a sheep pay for sheep. We have chickens. We have twenty four chicken, so we have this fence in area where the kinds are trying to figure out how to get to the chicken so will find them near our backyard all the time and she loves these chicken. She takes care of him, so she particularly hates Cairo's. There are always trying to figure out a way to sneak in you know they ve killed dogs and uneven before those snatch one off a leash. I have a friend who lives in Brentwood, which is another residential area, and his neighbor was walking her dog shallow little dog walkin. She heard click click click click. She knows it was that was like a dog you now

under the coyotes, ran ops, snatched a dog right offer fuck unleashed and ran that's a hungry dog at two hundred Cairo yeah. It was running away with her dog I could die, was just journal in she screaming in the leashes being dragged behind it. Just running with her dog. Had yes out and weird. It's weird that this does creepy predators are wandering around too just decided a bus to move like this is the time Tommy I get an entire Mikhail. You did you really yeah yeah? I was up although it led to hear now, rate Levin Grady, hello. Yes, it was a long time ago, but I was in the dishes and look. Outsiders were five o clock in the afternoon and I'm lookin. We lived in a trailer park, so the trailer next door. Others there was a Kyle underneath the underneath their disband around playing around with the sum toys and all kinds of balls of stuff so get out and had a twenty two go around the backside.

And I see him and he jumped up at the clothes on the close line. I rifled like two or three Adam and I missed you, ran straight into the woods. I went back and I had a friggin Rebecca Like a distress gone, I shot probably two hundred yards and got up against a tree, and I started blown african thing sure shit that thing came running right at me in a back me up against a tree, and I left my my foot up and he lashed right out of my book and I shot and point blank and emptied out the whole the whole entire clip yet and it thinks smell like skunk, really bad. Like a guy, but yeah enable scarce a lot hair missin off of it, but though it was weird because that week before I had I to two little dioxins and family- and I like we still let him outside no leash, they go. Take a shit come back. Only one came back Nanda. We think that, maybe

you know he made it took most likely right yeah. We never got it back. Last week in Silicon Valley, a mountain lion viciously mall, the six year old boy. Some kid was hiking with his parents and the the kid was behind them, and a mountain lion came up behind a taxi the parents yelled at it screamed and chased after the Mount line, and just I tried it hid it in a drop the kid and ran up the kid I fucked up there, they they scare away, but also, then they set hunters loose on this cat and dogs in areas like that and they D. Now this is another issue that they have with mountain lines. How fortunate does not hunting them here? That's crazy. It is crazy and crazy. People have this idea that their these beautiful things and they are beautiful. There in their interesting their fascinating, but you gotta keep those fuckers check. You know

and that's a real issue with people that don't understand lop wildlife, they just have these liberal points of view. That's based on no reasoning, no logic, not a balance perspective, no real, true understanding of wildlife. Their understanding is based on They think is awry with sitting is it's you leave them alone is natural animals. Yeah then Hugo Hiking and you're gonna get eaten. You fuck. You understand that their big giant monsters, if those were werewolves, you would be sending packs of fuckin military. For in the woods and try to kill. The werewolf will allow minds way. Fuckin scary than a werewolf is not just a mountain line one day out of the month. Ok, of man turns and the Wolf Man and the full moon comes out my lines wake up every morning amount Lama, mountain land kill something they kill big things with their face so used to killing dear and elk and shit that runs really fast and they kill it with their face, and you

your content with those things wandering around they just look beautiful. That's ridiculous not saying that we should wipe them off the face the earth, but we should come really close there should be right before last for love hollow women, homer you with a radio tat leaving without the homo tags on that we have a fuckin, a group of states interests that are monitoring their their progress on a screen. They come anywhere near a person as is at hunters. I think hundreds of be glad to take the place of the mountain lions and keeping a population in check for yes, yes and then in eat that meat- and you know, use it for people amounting people. Now I like people, T man team human as well. Luckily, the way better than other animals as the animals are amazing. People are way better. You can talk we want to make you laugh, you hang out with them their our species, breed with them.

A neighborhood, so fuckin ridiculous Elizabeth animals that peace. You can't, though you can't you can read them, but you turning. Even if you fuck em, nothing happened over the nuclear lobby. I promised my wife keep everything stray impossible officer nodded I told my remarks like like mark. You know when we get to talk and I have a tendency to dip a little bit like you need to keep me on that level. Plain, don't let what does that mean I, like good humour, good human typical, get raw Are you wearing raw worry about your your perception? The perception of people know now now about my perception of people, because people are gonna. Think of you what they do, what they do Rio, but I'm I worry about me. You know I I have of perception of myself tat I like to maintain right, which is which has been, and I believe is, is it is what it is. You know when you meet me face to face its exact aims. When you meet me anymore,

a lot of sand guy from natural? Yes, a guy from Musha yeah. I think he, I think, I'm more bad ass in real life than my way I watched back of the editing. You know, like I'm comin through some of the footage edges film. Last week, a man I got my guts hanging over my back to my leg of talk, slurred awkwardness, my voice and everything I like, I just don't look tough like I'm, but whenever you like that, I'm two minutes, tough I don't have that. Do not have that deep rasping oasis stars was like yeah. Well, we're all brass for an hour or more don't you know you don't have to projected everybody thinks they do, but when you try to see, if you try to, if you try to create your brand and who you are and what you think you want people to think of you as you just going to be a do, your news he's gotta, be yourself yeah. I like everyone, would do foot

no you're trying to because I didn't want to go down. Why did you not even playing its additional, because I did post a picture today? You know last night of the had the word douche bag. In the day I felt so just kind of thought. It a little bit. Am I supposed to do it? Should I have done I you know it's like what's wrong adduced by because it's really now, I feel in really how I felt about the man saw us like who is the douche bag? What was it about It's one of our countries Why wasn't it was a bumper sticker, others truck said it had had a douche bag with the Obama, with the president's. Bloom, oh and then that guy was selling his truck, so he had written a soap foresail. So I just like us, pretty cool these banks, click I suppose there is not even thinking there's all. Is this yea gonna come act because I've seen south guys posts were I shut down my facebook page or whatever is like

can do that and so one hand, but if you criticise the president too harshly or if there is any threat whatsoever of violence, like I'm gonna kick the president's ass, they come at issue, two there in our shared. But so I guess you know I'm a nice guy, I'm on the outward sign, I'm a nice guy, ominous guy whatever, but about ass. On the mountain I'll tell you that I see we send a serious. The second amendment is a funny issue when it comes to a bomb of because it was the this record. Of him doing this speech and talking about guns, and he was talking about how people want to keep their guns. They'll? Never there never gonna. Let you take the guns and unlike what a weird thing, it is where people representative government, where, where people are elected, they get into a position of power and then they look at people and they say things like there. Never gonna. Let you take their guns to gonna. Why would you? Why are you? What are you trying to do? Why you trying to take the gun of Europe two person and what you are as president.

Certainly the country, yes through the commander in chief and all that but essential you just a person. So if your person, why would take away other people's guns? Do you think that people shouldn't have done? because they're all dangerous, because statistically that's we'll tawiscara that you don't matter to people like to another, no don't care, but that's why those people are ridiculous. Anybody in that sort of a position that has a sort of One of you, like you, if you're gonna be the Fuckin President United States, you gotta be the back up everything you say with logic and science and if you look at the amount of people we haven't country, theirs, three hundred and fifty million motherfuckers in this country. Ok, not off more motherfuckers, but some of them good and bad three and fifty million people in this country, there's probably when fifty million guns half of a more going on her here systems, speaking half of my gun, probably then look at how many people are actually getting killed by guns? The number is ridiculously low.

It means that most people are really good at controlling themselves. Most people have cars and, Don't just drive into crowds of people, but some people occasionally do if enough people do What are we gonna take away cars? The thing is like you could have those people who is sitting here across immune. You can be explained to them and you can have the statistical data and you can have the proof of the facts and we think they're still not gonna care that, because there is more to it than just doing what's right and doing what is statistically fact, its there's, always a an agenda behind there's something they want to push was a control is a delay. I just want to control people are or what is who knows, but when you look everything the like, like the government, is doing and even small things of something as simple as given out twelve thousand bayonets to the police force. We are trying to do great you're on your own army. Are you waiting for a civil warming? What's what's goin on here? Why are you binds? They prove the army's earth, the local police slogan Why am? I only know, I'm probably speaking out of turn around all the facts wherever but like twelve thousand.

Bayonet weedy the bayonet for anyway. This isn't this. Isn't the war, were we not now whatever, but it then it's like but how many millions of rounds of ammunition also like well there's all conspiracy theories on that kind of thing, but you sit back and you think like. Why are they do? You know, What's goin on here, what are they trying to create or what are they? Why did they decimate? You know the military. Why did they Are all these commanders that the did such a ban? ass job of taken taken out the bad guy. You know, why did you pull out of Iraq? Why you always there's always something more to it than just fact and data in numbers and what's right and what's it's it's man Allah, theirs power, hunger, somethin to there's a lot of multimedia, something freaky about there's somethin, sick goin. On that I don't get in what way it just nothing makes sense. Wouldn't you think that if If you're, the leader of the country, you would do things that the majority of people would think makes sense like what what does it make sense to.

I think what doesn't make sense to me is pushing let's take the immigration issue. Heard a statistic generate what it's right or wrong, that nine million when the greater area, potentially half of them illegal. There's more than nine million people here right now, I just saw it was like the greater Ella City areas that it was a smaller whatever they say they use the number nine million. They said they said potentially, there's there's have up to half of those are really really not document, which means like last, city, but why would they allow the people to come across the border? Just so openly and now is? as a parent. I have a kid in school if they're, putting these people and busting them all across the country, and then letting people go in school without even asking their ages or having to go through medical checks. Like my kids, do any of those types of things like What's the reasoning behind that? It's not a humanitarian. You know if you were mad at Aaron's block to block the dam border off and did not let people come across from experience all that you know suffering.

Then as me as the humanitarian little bit of humanitarian, that I have like a fireman opposition, I'm come on smaller tune. I'm workin here on provide my family with a better future as a man govern managing government managing a country to me does it make sense to allow open borders. While I don't think it's totally open made it difficult to get over the wrist alive It's very tough and I know what you're saying, but I also think that politically its if you want democratic vote, The more lenient you are towards people come across the border, the more lenient you are towards illegals, Latinos, giving them brides, giving them education, giving them the ability to drive cars. Hours or maybe even pass, we vote, that's gonna be very advantageous. If you're a democrat of your liberal and if that's what you're you're agendas, that's a retrial. It's interesting in republican circles. Humans are almost all republican.

Mass it not all. Obviously, but like Miami has a large population, a very conservative Latinos, it's a completely different sort of environment. Very republican, very conservative- it's it's completely different set up. Then they have with the letter knows or Mexicans in L A and a lot of it is to do with what Dave experienced in Cuba, and you know how the hardships it they encountered in a communist and coming over to America and realising the opportunities in what way union accomplish here and what's goin on with Americans and Mexico. The disparity between California in Mexico is so vast, and the distance is so small that is really weird environment where, like I was in San Diego a couple weeks ago- and I was joking around about how nice everybody is in San Diego one of the reasons why there so nice, because you can walk to a third world country like they know how good they got it right if you wanna get

fused. You want to think that hey man, the world's all shit, none no you're fuckin San Diego do this is awesome. Why don't? Let's go walk you and I gonna while take is about an hour, will be into you wanna and then you, see something. That's not good enough This is what happens when you don't have taxes in the United States government and the school system that we have. This is what these people trying to escape and as human being when I go there and I see that environment I want to. I want to you now say a nation we will do. In fact, they wanted me to come over here, but they also should be able to you're out how to someone should engineer that society better. Someone should figure out how to make that culture is at least as accessible or as advantageous as the American. Culture and on all right, and I think that's where I'm talkin worst is is they should be doing that rather than just saying? Well, if you can't have it there come here and do it here, then nobody individual can't in Mexico to as an individual here, I'm doing exactly what they,

I would have been well awesome, yeah, working and I'm doing whatever I can provide for my family and we know and interact. You know they're in Reno. I know and interact with a lot of people that, with within some of the churches and suffers like they ve, come here to better their lives and you can't hold them. You can't it's hard to look at them and saying what yeah, but you broke the law article back recanting now, because you want as a whole, you want people to have where I have. You want people to be able to succeed. It sucks at their country doesn't see that hasn't done. That but does that mean that our country has to be have liberal, open, Paul, relatively open policies, whether like you'll. Have it there come here, will give it to you, but do we really say that mean you do have to go through the border and its can hard it's not easy to get from exculpating Alzheimer's and used to be really yeah and I mean I'm a guy to spend a lot of time in the wild. I could problem. I can, but I'm not gonna say that I could get across the border, but it's what you, women, women and children and people are getting across their getting across

it's gotta be hard, scobie, difficulty difficult and some of the stuff, that's those kids. You have gone through as devastating ashes needs is discussing. You one I ever have to have your family- have to go through that process. We're a nation of immigrants. This whole nation was started by people came from somewhere. They didn't like and decided to try to make a better world here and at what point disaster closed off at who, was that available into ever closer you don't ever close it off. I don't think it's hard for people to come from Mexico to like legally emigrate to America. It's very difficult. They make it hard and you have to have some reason why they should have you here if you're, a scholar and you're coming from Norway, it takes time. You know you have to go through. All sorts of check points is not a lot of things have to happen. I've I've friends from Canada that wanted to get green cards to it to work in America. You know white people that speak perfect English that are well educated and it's hard. It's not that easy to get a green card. I'm just glad that I produce outdoor television. I don't have to deal with the near.

I have to do it in our manager. That kind of thing, obviously we all deal with it in in wherever we live in that, but it's also it's weird. When you got half the populations illegal, what are you gonna? Make half of evil criminals like this? to be some sort of a way that they can. We now contribute as well, because a lot of them are not paying taxes, also its even its more at and teachers to make them. Citizens didn't Reagan. Do that for tool for how many million nine million or something I said- ok Amnesty everybody this year, yet I believe they did a raven. I thought I was Reagan I'm not about it. I'm just gonna wanna her off the radio, honestly, uneducated white Hunter guy. You know rubber, but it's like you know they. They did not want time and now it's built up where there's there's almost no way around that they're going to do it again and unless they are there stop measures to keep it from happening again. That's going to be two thousand, and thirteen on the road it'll happen again, it's a compassion issue in a lot of ways when people are in an undeniably shitty environment like in a war as Mexico, and they want to get out and they see sense,

Tony. I was right over there and everybody's under the same rang. I was saying thank yeah. What's this real issues like wire borders there. Why? Why Wire nations there. What is its gets? Real tricky gets it's a very complex issue. Amr keep on I'm going to do I do not even a tripod gas and was going to do what I do when you, on top of the mountain with just a camera, a rifle how'd, you cameras So when you go do you know I used to take several now? I just take one main camera, which I use a dsl, our camera little textiles and video than I have one go pro but anymore. I find that I dont use the go pro. Hardly ever The only the main reason on using the go pro now is because I had so many people calling bs on me like there's: no your film on that you ve, got a camera and whatever, like I'll, show you so I mounted a thing off the back of my camera, my main camera. That is just a basically a stick and I have a go prolong. So you can see me, I mean there's this is why the episodes it was on this year, where you see me you like fumbling, I have

take a lens off, I put another one eye spin, the camera in go pro. You can see the elk coming up. When you see me reach our focusing at turning it clipping out of the bone and shoot, and I like it, everything happens just that fast does like their take that stick in your ear. You know I found this. All myself but it's it's become kind of a personal challenge that way. Words like yeah can be and in a dinner, adds more of a challenge to the hunt intimates it's in a case like that. Get nervous about making the shot on the Elk I drew back on. A range drew back. Naturally, this poem, and the same thing happened with a dear that you're safe and drew back bone, because my rain was on the cameras. Mine was on what I had to do with the cameras to get everything right and so Hunt mode was. Natural, because I'm a natural hunter, our group has a hunter from the time. I was a kid so that that much She just took over, whereas if the cameras weren't there and I'm thinking I have time to wash out I'll come up, I'm clip on, unlike

Ok, where am I gonna, shoot him? What I'm trying to arrange even get a distance you trying to do all these things it you're supposed to do as a hundred. Then it's in your head that that you ve got it. Alice and sorrow when you anchor back your mind, might not be right, you might be nerves and I'd be shaken because I've been times where a main Elks come in, I'm literally just shaken one or two now RO dear and I'm just physically just I can't control jacked up job like it's almost like a beer, adrenaline toy crap? This happening whatever amount members a kid sitting in a tree, stand for Elk and the guy They taught me how to bow Hunt. I was thirteen years old, there like a best way, just go getting a stand and just wait for the outcome into the water hole will shoot em a thirteen year old. Up there by myself- and you hear this her, elk coming into you have fifty. You know eight hundred two thousand pounds animals coming in scream and changed in each other and in just you just freeze, and I could

shaken so bad that platform on the stand like could hold together. Man, you know it s like that's what you get one Animal? Comes in and I dont know what what gives you adrenaline. Russia is the fact that you know you can kill it out, and so I think it is the fact that, this wild animals getting close, sump n the patience to so many factors, sinking you goes, you know you're gettin after school afternoon, you strapped on snowboard, you know, you're gonna go off this. This one run it's just looked at as you're coming up the hill. You, like I'm goin down, when you get there, you like wholly crap scary. I'm an awful lot to do this or not, but I think that feeling than other things more so even I get more out of it because that's more me, you know I get more of a thrill out of Elk and it's you know, hunting and golf. That's kind of my two things, Add a family and it's like get excited over that your you hit, you hit just just a killer iron and you just why,

nothing fall on its just kind of cutting into their new. Like you get that feeling a little bit that could go in whole or asking you close, that's kind of the same thing, but with hunting. It's like that, much more amplified because it's a live thing and it's a live event and you don't have any control over that. That could come in and ever yet anticipation and build up for one moment and also the amount of work involved in getting up there and decide all for the one moment ready, don't fuck it up, don't fuck it up, but what Well, don't see too, is on tv. You know a positive comment on onest January was like enough for you information huntings not as easy as it looks on social media and on television. You know what I mean simple common people like all at so true well allow I might be on the mountain for nine days, not seeing an animal like on that matter. Hunt. I saw one moose before I shot my moose so you're. Therefore ten twelve days, not saying anything, also there's most bank, while crap that that's happened while so,

hunting. That's reality that, whereas on tv you see sixty minutes of me. Traveller knows they. He killed a moose, that's all of you that moves show was while the one were, you shot, the moose than it start floating down the river. Yeah. I wasn't in river yea resistant resist using the marsh so where he was standing is like Kneedeep and then he can. I went back and the willows, and so I the ghastly go in the willows and pulling out because the boat with I'm on the boat and tried to get the boat pulling out, but wasn't happened, and so I had to go in and filled. My waiters tugging at once on the video- and I put the go pro my head and I just had to just basically just leverage and get this moose broke out. The willows to where the water was deep enough water flow. I did physically. How much is it why that's a twelve fourteen european animal care out a bit better fourteen hundred pounds. I don't know how I did it had it been adrenaline, because the moment we got him in tethered to them. Flora sandbar. I was people. Don't real

I was closer to death right then on any than any other hunted out of it I was so hypothermic that I had to get off the boat and I literally just took all my clothes off unjust, piled on one dry code that I had an end a pair pants and I ran up and down the sand bout bar back and forth, because this is out like kind of a hunched over little little trudge, and it took me about forty minutes before Generate enough body to get myself out of their hyper term estate, because I was so. I was so called because I was so excited about the most tragic jumped in my Gallagher. My moves. You run out of my way, spilled up everything and you're in water. That's in on just comes off with a the glaciers up there, probably thirty, four thirty five degree water, maybe maybe a little warmer. I don't know I don't have a thermometer, but it's damn cold, so just got me so close to the point where my body was starting to just really get crazy. I was not think you re the only thing that I could think of, because everything was so wet was to run, and so I just ran up and down the sands just back and forth and value by yourself. No ahead,

tat, no one guy, while that scariest fuck man hypothermia, kills a lotta people. It's a lot of US El Killer, yeah, you get to the point. That's why tell people like it's a lot easier to stay warm than to get warm? So if you start to feel a chill poor code on you now don't get yourself. What other thing about hard hiking too, when you're hooking up the mountains, you start sweating. That's why wool so important people, don't many people who don't go into those environments and don't understand like how you can see sweating when it's really cold, I dont know how great wool is. Walls awesome I legs and there's some great synthetics out there too, that the wick, the moisture away from your body like will say why I, like you know I as a war guy everything's, all war war? Will not us that x now pull away from your body than they'll dry fast, real wolves, Pull away from body in the cool thing about wool is even when its wet, it's gonna, keep you warm, but it doesn't try real fast, whereas the

subjects, synthetic support away, but then they'll dry fast was a drive faster. Just shows the fibre just the fabric, I don't think a holds. The moisture is as well but a positive ways more closed off, yeah Wallace, their amazement is, if you can't get dry wool sooner, keep you want you're, not crazy, but it's heavy in bulky out at all there's dishing good stuff? You guys mentioned first lighter at some amazing stuff, but you know I ve grown to two were probably about ten years ago. I moved away from war and into synthetics risk is that the technology is there that we started getting The cause is lighter now now, I'm with under armor sorts, obviously and under armor, but even then they ve got some calling that we prototype this last fall. That was a kind of a Wall acrylic blend. There was pretty amazing, pretty good stuff. So really wool,

clear acrylic, blunt yeah. We sign aroused yeah. It's not, as is its similar texture, feel too to the wall. But you know you combine that with some other synthetic based layers and that and if you ve got a really hardy durable fabric that can be replicated in printed on and all kinds of things, but that's a consideration that you have to work really plan out right like how much weight you're carrying like what how much stuff do you actually need. You did you take what you need and that's it mean, there's no reason to take any comfort, that's one of things that I, but I probably should be better at, like I hate sleeping on the ground when I, when I hunt I'm miserable like that night, I basically just roll from one side of that, because I can't sleep because I'm like taking that two Lb Panama ticket take the six

else pad. Instead in Oregon one pound wars like no one, I got seven pounds round my stomach that I did I'm carrying around that I shouldn't be carrying around either, but I'll get so caught up into the weight that you know you. You cannot neglect certain things. That's important when you go on back country, Patrick we're gonna, be in several days, not wait, wait. The big deal, because when you start, I can up a mountain you're, just thinkin, I mean. I know why I'm thinking in my mind what I have left out of my pack, a worker who made this trip lighter, because if you don't have a packets luxury did up the mountain, but you gotta be comfortable. You get a hike your book back off. You were like a light, boot. To I do I'm a light. I'm super lightweight boots all the time, even in rugged country. I, like a really lightweight boots: I've. Never I'm the kind of guy I've, never sprained an ankle, never never had any knee or ankle issues. I had the issues, but that really doesn't everything to do with the boat. But it's like I like lightweight maneuverability in just a few more.

Two more mobile aren't like the big Heavy rock mountain boots. You know, and I live Warner and lot lot, but they're just rigid and I just feel like my legs get tired. I just can't move But when I have a light boot, it's more like a sneaker might all think my legs getting tired mechanism. Yeah! That's what thinking, because I'm going honey in Alaska first week of October, and I had these. These reach knees, they'd been heavy boots. The wrote their excellent waterproofing like that, but man I won't when hiking with a recently trying to break a man and like my fuckin language try dry and leather. One it's reign in a bunch to miss is hard, but that vote that boot is made for that environment. That's a type of both is made for that. There's some synthetics out there to that. My dry leaves your neighbour, I've always been one words like you know, I just I don't have issues with bliss

is. I know I just I'm. I just that lucky that way. I have never had to deal with that when I wear a pair of my lightweight wanderers, my speed freaks whatever it's like a warm up, I'm in my halfway through my second season on one pair of boots, which typically I go through a pair of boots, easy in a season, but this lightweight pair of speed, freaks I've had it in this. The other shale, those under armor speeds in under our speed when you, these ones, are prototypes item off its actual speed, for he gets a prototype boot. They sent me loudly assume a new Prato, that's gonna be cool. That's awesome. Thats want cool thing about. Yeah I've been on knocking on under armors door for three or four years. Last year, I was fed up I'd like to know has never going to be a time of data cool guys everything but they're looking for bigger fish, and so this pry, the first time they ve heard to like I, I got rid of all my under armor gear and was

out with another brand? They checked me out every head to toe and everything. So I was like. I was all geared up to go on my first hunt in this other brand and then then just hit me my wife's, like where'd, you get that came August. I told her story she's, like what about under armor mega, can't give up on driver canine, she's, like you were gonna, give up on under armor. So I went to sleep. I'm just leaving. For my aunt, I went to scheels and I bought a pair of pants and a shirt under armour pair of pants and a shirt I went on my hand. I killed this dear while was driving back. Coolby gave me a concert. Hey things have developed with we ve got some stuff freed up, would really loved to have you guys on board. So like wholly crap, I just about through under I'm aware he just from that but as a tv guys like you want to have the best brands, you wanna, where the guest best gear and everything but a second part of it, you gotta pay the bills. You gotta make it worth your while. I do it because at the end of the day, I'm not doing it because I'm upset. Hunter do it, because I'm a businessman alone make a pile of money. You know and know, and it happens to be a sport that I love and passion about and that's going to

maybe a better business persona. People don't know that under our does hunting gear, their huge and a hunting world people think of women's terms of other athletic words there just getting. We just announced the coming soon of their new ridge, reaper Baron Baron Camel pattern Remy, and I in theirs, there's like six or eight of us nationwide that had these prototype clothings no war. This camel pattern Cameron's Cameron's, got it as well and they just announced this can be releasing I heard September fifteenth one of the dates was thrown out, but there can be coming out with that at under Amr, got come the ridge reaper line with the Baron camel pattern, sweet. Do you ever go out and realise that you fucked up, you should have brought more shit, always

really now yeah, yeah yeah, that's happened and its also go the other way to arrive Ghana and, unlike why did I bring this mostly camera stuff mean I pack around this five pound, eleven thousand millimeter, whatever eleven hundred millimeter lens the ways like six pounds, I pack that sucker everywhere and I never use. It is like why my pack, in that thing and my spot in scope and all this- is there anything that you like one like if you haven't brought it with you like, if you got there NGO car, why didn't I bring this is, anything like dangerous about that. Have you ever taken, if you ever like, taken trip and not have enough clothing or not having enough yeah survival shit. I always have survival stuff with me. I carry a survival medic. It's just a little love super lightweight first aid kit, but it has two tools with a two year. Also. I have that in every everybody got one in every backpack. I use that they're. Like start fire yeah of anxiously, I rarely have to use it in own and if I do use it as a model for fond start, a fire somethin, but it's there if I do, need it

I don't know what I've run into a situation where it's like man. I wish that we had this or that yeah style hunting. So few people do that. That way where you go completely on your own well, and I grew up hunting with nothing, a bow with peace, crap arrows and he was the cheapest. With fine- and I hunted with that same boat, the bull that I bought when I was fourteen was the first. I think I've been fifty. I bought that bow. I hunted without until I was till I got into tv till two doesn't for So a compound of compound bow, barely Polaris Piazzi Polaris that I bought that bow. He was like a hundred nine dollars or something hundred feet per second, maybe Who knows, but I wonder whether in ragout backing out of college, some of that- and I got a hunted with that clear till two thousand and four before I gotTa Matthews bow unlike holy cow. There's a bears. A twelve years fifteen year span a timely that I hunted with a piece of crap,

and so I think that by me, learning to get by was so little that it makes it easier for me when I do have good equipment. I can appreciate that much more and it's like I can get by with just a good just good equipment the world of humble enough to balls mousing dad it's right. Compound bosses, that's the one world where ten years makes a giant leap whereas, like with rifles ten years ago, so rifle an omen scopes early, better but rifles essentially a rifle boards reports, but that the bows of ten years ago, in comparison to the Bowser today mean there. They are making these little incremental leaps like every year with getting a little bit liner liniment more feet per second little bit more accurate will be better tolerance. It's really kind of interesting to see technology. That's involving compound both both for target shooting, infra hunting and it's interesting. The beau company. That idea with with two five and prime, is like G five as an engineer

for you know, they're in engineering companies, self anybody's gonna know how to make something better and get the most out of a piece of iron. It's an engineering is somebody that the has that background That's really cool about them, and these companies are smart or not just vinegar, just blow their water, all our technology, all at once, they're gonna incrementally bring it out, so they can have a new bo every year, and that seems a like the craze right now is every every bowman in fact your has one or two new bows every year and excitement how how do you keep up with that right or how to keep up with technology but as hunter I'm kind of addicted? That's like yeah. I like this Bobo in October. As soon as that new prototype bowl comes out. I wanted in my hand you know, because we're addicted to that new, bigger, better batter, just like the Iphone six no mark was telling me about that. You are marking the Iphone for yeah. I got an Iphone for you, you haven't I've had a format of her like forever. You crazy lens attachment that you put on your I've. Seen that to you put on a spun scope and you can film it right, we call

the phone scope, adapter and I've just gotten used to having it on my phone. Everyone small take my phone out, put it back in my life proof case, but then I reach in my pocket, unlike where's, my handle missing my handle, but this is just adapter it goes on to a bayonet mount sleeve. So I can slide over my spotting scope or any can you mean you? Can video yeah, take pictures and what's cause you shoot little video clip or take a photo and ban posts? It instagram when you're done that kind of stuff, that's pretty cool, so he took a photo from straight from the spot, go back Lee digiscoping with it and I just leave it in the case, because you know my phone I just like having a handle has just kind of being it love it cause. Why take it off? I'm like missing it, and it's not that I I dont use this phone scope other than one I'm hunting like when you were silent for folks. I don't know what you're saying you were talking about, ranging these

laser, arrange, finders or another, really cool invention. Where you you look into it, you press a button. It tells you the exact yardage and four people have never been hunting with both before never shot above before. They don't understand that, like there's a big difference between a scope on a rifle rifles, pretty good for a couple hundred yards but of a beau there's a big difference which we were it's gonna hit at twenty yards versus where it's gonna hit at forty yards and- All this is sort of crazy calculations and feet per second were yardage. Pins are in its out those one thing that I really got into when I started playing with bows whose help how much you have to learn like developer, tape and enough, and and and arrange things out and figure out like citing bow and making sure everything's tuned up, and this there's this so so many weird adjustments that you have to make between twenty and fifty yards and how difficult it is to shoot something at fifty yards.

Just a target. You don't have a steady rest there, a bypass like you do with a rifle em in the bow you got. You got your arm, that's not very rigid to begin with holding out there and you got your other arm back here and so you're trying to anchor it a low magnification either. Now you get Is there some magnification scopes out there? You know that you could put on their one or two power six power. Whatever do is loved him, I don't I'm old school. When it comes to my equipment, eminences like I'll. Take it and I set up all my own equipment idle taken into the archery shops. Has everybody has their own way of doing things, but I, The way I learned but I'll just put a peep site. You know cited in oh geyser, guys are all wrapped into these. These super long range sites will I'm inter so I need a site. It's gonna go from twenty two eighty! You know I'm good. I don't need a hundred and twenty hunter vision.

These rollings may be found to shoot the far right. I don't know if I want you to far. I go get my aunt em away rifle, and I should therefore you know it's like book. You know I learned from Cameron Cameron. Does all this hunting with bows and arrows help Cameron Haines never heard of it sees a spot hog who ever heard of her cannonades. You keep doing this. You have to let the whole world That's like my job but Deuce, multiple insight. Yeah did. I do here for a long established she's a single pin side, but once I started really filming my bow, HANS, real heavily just became too much too have to adjust the pin. So I just went to the multiple pin sites again, so I don't have any adjustment on the bow. I can focus on adjusting the king when you said that you just said, in the animal you didn't even cited and you just just looked at it and you just ticket and an estimate. Is that something that is comes over time. When you look at something go, that's about thirty yards until I was twenty five years old and new sites whose all instinctive so every area

am I would shoot about his fingers and it was bare bow instinctive. Even those compound everything was instinctive, and so I think it just ingrained t, if your traditional shooter, whatever when you draw back you like your body just like shooting a pistol. You know your body automatically gets in that position and more times and not a few. If you'll draw back and get an opposition, then look at your pins, you're they're. Coming here, if, if you you ve done a lot in your condition to that and I think that's where your instincts gonna take over it. In those cases I drew back in an hour, you just look at european verify bow young girl, so you still aiming bud because you're not thinking about it, it's happening so much quicker. They say that see now what some of the sharpshooters that's, why they're so good as to this? Just all instinctive with pistols or anything else, are not aiming to the shooting. There's a lot of practice involved in Bohemia to write, I've had a book. I started by running as the twelve thirteen years old and I haven't had a bow in my hand, my entire life, basically just because my upbringing glad to do chores, you grab your bo off the freezer. You walk out filling a couple hours

the carpet target that we had taped onto the haystack undergo milked cows. Milk, walk out. You pull your eyes, you do it again. It is lifestyle. It's it's life for me growing up that way. I shoot less now, just because of the business life and the other by the responsibilities I have, but it still is still part of vast natural sulphur guy picking it up for you to go out and be able to experience that instinctive anchoring and everything is just dial It's gonna come over time a narrow betimes, where you might go out next week. You, like, I know what he's talking about good and then the next day, like what the hell am I doing wrong. This isn't working and that's archery. That's its nature. Your bow, your your your wrist is gonna tweak. Things are gonna change from day to day, so, don't feel like you have to adjust your bow. Every time you got shoot just be like you up today I was poor, I'm left now today, I'm drop em out no big deal tomorrow, be different, no worse sing about arteries. How difficult it is it, so it's so involved that it so it takes all the other things in your life away,

away, all the other things you're. Thinking about all the other distractions, your mind, you so concentrating on putting that pan holding its steady. Ensure sure you release no no added movement, no, no twitching note pulling and its. I find it like almost like a meditative. In that way, When I do it, I cleaned my mind out. I love doing it. At the end of the day have a busy day I go out my our day. You know ports and targets and and start shooting and affiliated routes, and I stress, really were too even people, never want to hunt, I recommend do just doing archery just for fun and get a bone. Dude instead you should get curve or get a bare bones cloud and just do close ya ten ten feet and just get that feeling of this. Lay ceasing that helps you're in homes nobler I've. I believe so because I grew up that I mean that's, that's how I did at an end. To this day. I think it's made me a better shooter in hunting situation, its

Ricky to hunt with a bow, because more animals get wounded and escape bow hunting than probably any other style. When I don't know, I don't know what this to take some and there's a lot of lot of deer, get hammered by rifle to and walk away as harsh or hard to say, there's just that many more rifle hunters out there bozarth up because hemorrhaging is lethal. You know how everything is going to. You can shoot my shot up my ankle one time beyond the wrist blood out within a yard. She knows the imaging is super lethal, whereas a bullet doesn't necessarily have to give you hemorrhaging it right, puncture an impact in and shock and trauma, but it doesn't necessarily hemorrhage, the same way because of the heathen differ, the till authorized and yeah could could be. So I don't know I can't can say for sure yeah. I just think how to felt by how to massive responsibility to put in a lot of practice forever went bow hunting. It was I put I've. I thought my shoulder out because I was shooting hundred fifty hours arrows, don't pull the

Cameron aims as it don't pull the Cameroon hands and shooting ninety pound both shoe to seventy percent Finally, seventy zero! You need! I had a lazy Morty for five. You know really, but do you, because what have you had a bone and an animal runs away? Cameron has this philosophy about path? Will you can't we just the assets philosophy on that? In a worse for him, sweet tat, Nugent has a forty five pound forced out. Whatever he's gonna tell you disguise? What are you sure to seventy ass? You might like sixty three pounds or something you mean, I'm still a strong act and pull it. Seventy eighty pounds sure, but you choose to do the other one, just because it's working, I more accurate around with my arrows in my brought heads my set up. I I take my bow and massive seventy pounds and, as I am citing in and in an tuning my bow

paper tuning whatever I back off quarter Ternata time my limbs so you're taking the weight down, and I found that sixty three sixty five range for me and my set up, I'm gettin bullets yeah Cameron's like does all this crazy work out just so we could pull it effortlessly. That's awesome, but he's like shooting water, buffaloes shit get pass through Sunshine Alex. That's the whole deal this amount, whereas I'm sorry that was three hours. It's good. Does I gotta take a leak. Beijing go, take a telegram uses grain solar hunt, solo hunter tv on Twitter. What's your instagram, add solar or tv on Twitter and Scram Facebook. Everything the whole deal the timber net, there you are much Frankie I was broadly shares will enjoy, will now in watch the show it's on the outdoor channel. It's called solo hunter is one of my favorite hunting shows it's a it's a really enjoyable show, even if you don't like hunting, it's very wet very well done. Thank you

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