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Heroin on and the Elvis picture is kind of a fake mug shot. Okay, it was, it was too early or whatever, where it's what happened? Let's make whips. That was those Elvis when he went to visit Nixon that fan okay picture. Well, that's! Okay, again,. That's how I ended up getting his pistol. You got Elvis is pistol yeah by the People tunein right now. This is mother, FUCK Joe Perry from Aerosmith. Great guitarist is ever graced the face of this planet. Thanks, it's an honor to be on to have you on the show Man, you know, I grew up in Boston, so Aerosmith, Boston, synonymous, you know and if you in Boston fan. Are you some sort of communist? I was in Aerosmith fan, but Elvis is gone. How the fuck did you get office has gone well. As it turns out Joe Esposito, who is his road manager

the time I guess he met him in the army and from that time I guess he was the second person to find him when he died, songs with him the whole time and he was on his road manager and he was within the day that that they went to the they took the lead Marie the plane to go visit Nixon, and he wanted to give him that commemorative one thousand nine hundred and eleven, which was in a box, but he knew he would get get into the White House with his own carry gun. So he left it with his pilot. You know on his airplanes,

so are they win and they had their meeting and they, you know, that's well documented Noel and anyway they went back and when the pilot gave it gave back, especially just turned around and gave it to Joe Esposito, his road manager, and it's like just an average, like thirty eight from like the fifties, was a lot of wear on the on the on the holster, you know, and so it looked like you had worn quite a bit and used it quite a bit. I bet he was pulling that sucker out all the time didn't shoot a tv once all that stuff mad at somebody. Well, who is he mad at like when Elvis shot the tv yeah? It was singer of yeah Elliott cool, not only a cool Elliott guy from of I think, was really yeah like the singer. I don't know, is one of those like a crooner Robert Goulet, you just guessing. Don't do that

who lay yeah Goulet Robert Goulet, the actor. Wasn't even after he was a singer, gives the singer. Wasn't Robert Goulet an actor it. There is no, I don't know, I don't like. I just you know a sedan. There's a James Brown is a sports broadcaster change, your name brother, that's ridiculous! So now, anyway, so anyway, the the story goes that the the Joe had this tucked away. This pistol was thirty, eight and, and he needs some cash. It was going to put it on line and my road manager, which is also good friends with Joe heard about it, and they said no, and so he got in touch with Billy, and you know I always wanted something from Elvis. You have a big fan, you know, but something that I know we use like because he's always buy and stuff and all this stuff online that belonged to Elvis you know he bought it and gave it to

nobody right now I mean it doesn't really mean anything. It's just you know we just bought it and gave it to somebody as a gift, never really used it or touched it would be. Happy with this guitar string or appear something, and so you know I collect guns. I collect the old old weapons, you know whatever and so anyway, so my road manager heard about it and got in touch with ability, my wife and they got together with Joe and the paperwork whatever and for I think it was for Christmas.

Elvis is thirty, eight wow and I haven't cleaned it or fired or or done you know. I mean it's just I mean it's it's you know it's just as a treasure. You know and and is a letter that goes with it from Joe and all of on authenticity and Noah, and- and I know that it's just piled blood by looking at it and by just to experience and knowing what what you know look like after they've been used and everything and was probably that he carried it Elvis was like the original real Super super star, like Elvis, hit like a level of fame, that probably no one will ever hit again like he hit this quick, because this is no internet limited amount of television is only a few channels. So you know you have the Ed Sullivan Show on a couple other shows in the tonight show, but when the LE all of fame. That Elvis reached was like this really bizarre kind of crazy level.

All the other musicians like yourself and a lot of other folks to see like what can happen, how can all go off the rails with the great Elvis Presley you know hey? You know it was really. It was really something I mean from the considering his background. I mean in the age that he was when he when he, when it hit it again, it was like I'm sure you did. Is you know he played his gigs at clubs and things that, whatever you know for his friends, but then it was if there was I feel like it overnight thing I mean you think about the Beatles. I mean people think well well. Kind of an overnight success? I mean that was what the media said, but you know they spent a lot of time in the club's men and like at Hamburg like three years Plan

Absurd hours, you know you know constantly, I mean they really worked hard to be a good day and a great band. You know it as as well as been and as talented as they were, but and in our but Elvis is it kinda hit him right away? Then Anna, I don't know how we did what we could see how he dealt with. You know didn't do so. Well, I don't think anybody can deal with that level of fame. I think it just makes you it's the rear reality. Just changes like it's like being taken from earth and being dropped off in an alternate mention where everybody knows who you are people scream when they see you everywhere, you go, women are fainting. We've never been a personal live like that. There's never been a personal I before Elvis where they would walk. On stage and women would drop, they would frank, Frank had a taste,

but the media was not sure. Was it wasn't as big as it is right getting with Elvis because right, the whole thing was like of all the you know. There was more more of an output. He knows more, I mean Senna Sinatra. Still I mean he was You know, arguably the guy, the man I mean he had the movies he had the the the singing you know, and everything and and the girls did that with him too, but it wasn't as as intense as Elvis because of because of tv e n radio and in on him, get help there and not really concentrating on just playing in the states. God knows what would happen if he was, if you'd been allowed to tour the cut the world right, you know, but you know, there's all the stories about the kernel. You know keeping him in the country because he was afraid that if he was to go out of the country

He wasn't able to go with him because of his background. I guess he couldn't get a passport or something and record apparently, and- and so he was read someone would get to warm yeah. Some would take over his new manager. Well now, Jonas kid I mean he kept kept away from from the the all the new technology that was going on in in rock and roll. I mean right down to this. To the stage lights and all that stuff I mean he would, that is his shows, stayed pretty much the same all through it. I mean they had I mean that that the colonel kept it everything just the way. It was it's fine and all this was fine with it, but he never really saw like what people were doing say in the 70s. You know with rock and roll row. This shows got big and there was so much more. He could do, but he was isolated so so much from at all, I mean he was kept away from the best songwriters.

You know it was really it's really a shame I mean in, and you know the story, the stories that are true about him. You know not being able to act in the movies he wanted. To. I mean he's, obviously a talented actors: it never had a chance at some good good and why was Well, that was the colonel. Well pretty much. The colonel kept a minimum box. In a mean they had, the system worked out where they would get x amount of dollars up front and they knew how much you know how much money they would make from the movies, and then you know they had the circuit than they would put out the this batch of songs. You know most of them, you know just thrown off, thrown off recorded in three days, whatever you know, and he just they just had the system. Then the colonel

allegedly would take this briefcase his share and go right to vague ISS, and then it will go back to back to LA with an empty briefcase, and then it was Elvis is time for another movie. So the colonel was a gambling junkie. All that was that's the story. That makes sense. It makes sense. So. Natural also had a different style of music that, as the rock and roll was coming along, his style of music was a generation before you know, for folks, You haven't heard the early Sinatra stuff. It's kind of shocking, like the early Sinatra's voice was really high, pitched and almost like it didn't do sound like you've heard Sinatra pulled up. Early Sinatra see if you could find some real old cool Sinatra, because he had this, like, I want to say, like a falsetto, but it was like a very high pitched voice and he could hit these in kredible notes, but all that

Jack Daniels and the cigarettes it changed it to this baby. You know he be my God June. Under my skin came like a. He was more talk in it that he was saying and it really kind of for you kind of realize there was there- was this persona that he could he could grow in. You know, and I think that that that that's a part of it, you know what I mean. He realized that he was the you know. He was hanging with these guys with less looked at as the coolest guys on the planet and he was, he was basically the boss. Rather what I mean Angie for the rat pack right there, and then you know they had their restaurants and places they would hang in the broads and the booze and the martinis and

or whatever you know, and that was that was this thing and that's that's what that's what he he would have lived it. You know yeah. Let me hear this I'm a good day for gold and you can bet your life. It rains, but. Is that weird sing like Bing Crosby. I always kind of this place yeah and then you know you can hear it in the in the way he sings you just it's the lowest interest groups, cool yeah. You know when he found his his voice and he found his his niche and and is is- and it's been a cold persona. You know his he's got some songs where he demonstrates this incredible range to with his voice when he could hit these amazing notes that lot of people. Don't do not think of when you think of Sinatra. You know

you think of all the different classic hits that he had you know, but these the old song show you what he could have been or what he originally was get to see the the morphing yeah yeah. Well again, that's probably why again he didn't I mean he he had. He was at the time considering the technology and how how people got there. They entertainment he got his big as anybody could get yeah. He was. He was about as big as it could get back then now he hates his vocal range this it Is this? This is the older one and it's, I think it's showing all the different

this is not the young guy, though you just want to find the young one, which is the most interesting that I got his, his mug shot on my walls. Well at home yeah. He was arrested for seduction, yeah whatever that means, but given the Osh Laville, the someone's wife is not saying but he was really young too, and he was tiny. He was like a hundred and twenty five pounds. I think, on the mug shot. Well, yeah. We can pull that out because it is our yeah. It was a tiny little good, yes Sinatra in there, hello, milk, the golden arm right. No, that was that was a that, was he in Remember area the man with the golden voice, it wasn't really about that too, but I mean that movie there he was arrested in nineteen thirty, eight charged with carrying on with a married woman that was illegal. Carrying on with a married woman what

Carrying on me. That means is Janice Freak on. Well, I mean you know, I mean how do you define that in court? All you have to do is be checked, be with a married woman, I guess probably like alone and you're carrying on that's all you have to do back then, probably one thousand nine hundred and thirty eight. They were terrified of everything. Now they probably thought it could, summon a demon carry on with a married woman, they didn't know anything back, then they didn't have the internet and we had like four books watch a we get on the elevator with him. He have what we get. It would definitely football players, don't get mail, there were football players, they tend to get a little smack. He. Yeah. He was a hundred twenty five pounds. I think it doesn't say it here doesn't show, but I have the the piece of paper that came with it like that, the charged him jeez yeah. They sell it like one of these poster shops, two areas, though

When you, when you have a chance to see guys like Elvis when you were a kid and you had a chance to see those guys and all the trials and tribulations they went through and all the pit, did you? Did you get a chance to learn from some some of that stuff? Did it with that? You think of that I helped you in anyway um. I think that it was one of those things that I just be being young, arrogant in eighteen. You think that ain't going to happen to me. You know I mean that was kind of the vibe I mean I could pose a criminally to it, because I have a smart person right always like had that illusion of you know, because it was on tv and that you always have that feeling like there's something in there that's going on

behind behind the scenes of whatever it is it it. It makes it more than it is to make a bigger than life, and- and so it's it's really hard to relate to for just you know, like your average person, which I was at the time you know sitting there, you know without it, knowing anybody famous or you know or anything like that, I mean it was like something you saw on tv or heard on the radio, so yeah could really relate to in in a river in a visceral way in a real way. You know, so it just was one of those things that you just I mean I nine of us are like a announced, a holic or anything like that, and you know they don't they will look in person will

actually like hung out with the dolls the new year. Although really, while you know what I mean, except for legal, a homeless person here or there was it- you know so now is pretty naive and- and you know what I was growing up- I was real lucky when I was a kid that I did a lot of construction. My stepfather was an architect, so he got me on a lot of construction sites for for jobs yeah, and I got around a lot junkies lot of junkies in a lot of alcoholics, and I got to see these guys just destroying their lives. I get, see guys who you know be clean, they be clean, a be clean. One then have a beer at work. You know they would show up with a beer like wrapped up in a in a paper bag and then we'll go off the rails and then they would not show up at work and everybody would make fun of them on the job, and I just got to see these people just could controlled substances and being a on that, I got you know as a young kid as a young teenager there's

all my summer. Jobs were construction, gigs and I got to see like people ruin their lives, and I remember thinking to myself. Okay, this is something I got to. I got to learn from that. I don't want to be that guy. You know. That's a good thing about seeing people fuck up. Is it if you're paying attention it really can't help you? I really can absorb that you paying attention, but I guess what you're saying is that seen seeing it on tv, whether it's Elvis or anybody else that did it Janis, Joplin or Hendrix Hendrix heroin overdoses whatever and choking on her own vomit doesn't seem like it's going to happen. You'll because you're, not it's not like your body like you right exactly. I had a buddy in high school and his cousin was a coke dealer and I got to see this guy just waste away he went from being this like normal fun, loving guy to constantly just talk,

away in him. An attic apartment him his girl from just do Coke and watch tv they're. Just they just vanished. He just shriveled up to nothing like you, I mean he must lost like he was a skinny guy already, but he must a loss like thirty or forty pounds just like with this little non eating Coke snorting tv watching, weird and I remember thinking to myself, nope, never gonna. Try that what I was lucky. I was lucky that I got to see that I got to see with my eyes: yeah it at an age that it that it made and

shouldn't you know yeah. Yes, I was in, or if I was around, only nice people did nice things that probably would've been like cocaine. What's that what you guys get that yeah? Well, it was definitely there was definitely part of that and more use. I mean, of course, only isolated in a very small town. I mean that would just wasn't that kind of thing go as I was growing up. What time did you grow up in and hope still Massachusetts, which is probably about thirty forty minutes away from Foxborough with the patriots play for anybody sure does know Boston at all. You know, so it was a I just well in the suburbs. You know not not like just ten minutes, you know, and I mean it took of was it was like a couple hour trek to get into town in on to Boston, and I didn't start going into in there until I was probably fifteen or

sixteen years old. My mother would drive us to the nearest train, stop and would take the train in and hang around all day and then take the train back out and she would meet us and you never lost your Boston accent. Well, I still have a little right right right, a bit of it. If I had you on the radio of the like, if I didn't know who you are I'd, like other guys from Boston yeah for sure it's not wood. If from home for awhile the annual leasing siesta. Talking to my friends and then the that really comes back, but I kind of have you know kind of bicoastal. You know: can Mobile L A in there and a lot midwestern is building, my wife is from the Midwest and you know so it kind of kind of smooth it out, yeah once in a was. You know it's like a for, but with the letter I song that sounds like and it's when I was reading the audiobook, I I was afraid to.

They did give too much of it will get in there or maybe they should be more of it. I don't know I just I just wanna just then I just gave up on it just got through you know yeah it's one of the it's one of those weird accents that people kind of don't like to have. Some reason I didn't like to have, I got rid of mine, I hurt myself on tv. When I was nineteen, I was like Jesus Christ. I sound like that. I was like well really really work and- and I was like- oh no- is that me but when I drink it comes out still right a little. Definitely it for you. If you're on the road I've noticed that like, if we go back to Bosnia, I see we go back to Boston. I drink it might savage friends, high school- remember those animals that we met at the the contracts when I, if I go drinking with them, it'll probably come out there for five years and it's out listers guys do a whole comedian said to hold the whole routine, is all

the bus and as these yeah you know, Steve Sweeney. Yours right he's a right. One of the greatest of all time is a God damned saying that people don't know who that guy is ACT like an if you're from Boston and you go to see Steve Sweeney things funny student ever walk the face of the planet, but as well as like so much of it was Boston centered when he would leave and go out of town the people to know what the you was talking about, yeah that that that was the one thing you know that did he had a truck had trouble like this look, make a lot that area. You know how old were you when, when Aerosmith cracked well I'd, say you cracked an interesting

when I went through public consciousness. Well, we've came huge, it took us took us a while men, I mean there were places we could sell out in Barcelona, arenas and and well. Actually, Detroit was the first town that really took a sin really because it has to do for it. What was known as like the rock city? You know that the MC five and stooges I mean hard court Rock and Noah and they'd love J gals who well yeah. You know in my mind one of the best live bands. Ever first man ever saw live man, I mean the just so good. I mean just great. You know, and I can remember seeing him when they actually started this thing, where they would start with just three guys on stage and then another guy would come up. Another guy and Peter Wood finishes. Is radio show and come down and blow everybody away with the

four songs whatever, and so anyway, they've they've went to Detroit, they own Detroit, and so when we were, we were you know, making our way through okay plan the claw, is in in Pennsylvania, Ohio. Whatever we hit Detroit Detroit was ready to hear another band from Boston because if they loved Jake I'll, say kind of paved the way for us, you know. So we would. We went to Detroit N G N over the course of a six months, one of the the single got re released in and we went back to Boston all of a sudden we're filling clubs in fill and it was. There was a problem

twenty twenty one when that started to happen, wow twenty one, twenty one when it all started to really come together. I mean I just wanna yeah crazy thing to deal with that twenty one moral yeah, it doesn't seem that I mean now. I don't know man on a rewards along while to get to get it there, but still little places we'd go and still be like third, the bill right now, in so with. After, like Concord, Texas in right, Concord, Concord, Florida, you know and because we really didn't get much love from them from the critics into an all out in, but the fans will there. You know, and they were all they had heard about us- that you're hurting her listen to be singing along with the with the with the record and finally, we've we've. We can go anywhere in the states in when you guys head, you guys were a force of nature. I mean it's like seriously. One of the greatest bands of all time

it's got to be an amazing thing to be a part of one of the greatest bands of all time is gonna feel surreal in some ways. Well, sometimes I can't relate to it a reckless. I mean it's really really sick. I mean they read off the the things you know I mean lately, you know doing the press, tour and stuff for the book and all that no read these statistics are this stuff in there that I don't even know, because I don't read the Don't really get into that stuff to guys had some some hits that were just so fucking bad ass. You know I mean to this day To this day, I hear train, keep arolen crane temporal and got damn that's a good song. It's so any songs that were so good like every now. In a ban comes along that has like this real, like obviously, CDC, has a very ACDC sound, there's a sound to ACDC, but with your guitar

our plan and Tyler's vocals. You guys had such a distinctive sound, like you could hear going to first couple like walk this way. You can hear the first couple notes that this is a God, Damn Aerosmith song. There's like a thing to it, like a feeling that you heard when you listen to it an me when I was kid dude we're in school. We were play your songs, you know back, then everybody had boomboxes. I used to talk to. I worked at Newport, Creamery's ice cream place and I used to walk with a boom box. On my shoulder with That is how you listen to music. Nobody had any of the way to listen to music right, so it take this fucking boom box. In my shoulder is like right. Yeah yeah cassettes were big were very

so we didn't have eight tracks back then, with eight tracks were amazing. I can remember here on one once and the guys that would 'cause they only have so much before they switched and they would they would edit the songs. It wouldn't be listening to the songs that were just edit it because the time was up. It also have to after five minutes on one you know, one track, it would click and then like in the in the middle of of of verse. It would just fade away and then it would fade back in after it did the trick and switch to the next it was. You know just some guy that it Columbia. You know another. Another tape or another album you just ok with a stop watch and he would just click it over and it was really frustrating here it like that or the middle of a guitar solo. You go wait a second, that's my favorite. You know we had no control

over that. You know yeah. It was so archaic in a way new, but you you go back now and you think about it, the it's the the transition which, from eight track to cassette to CD to where we are today with digital music. It seems so fast when you look at it in terms of like the history of the world. It's like a blink of the eye, and we went from this thing. That's on spore to some shit, that's the cloud. I mean it really. It happened like that. It's like money, it's just! yeah! Yeah I mean in in our lifetime. It changed so fat some much. It seems like a long time ago to us, but in the sense of like the human race, it's nothing. It's no time at all, but it's funny. Over the last couple of days, people have handed me.

Finally, gas and it's like because I'm I don't have a turntable warm stand and but I'm thinking of going and picking one of the small one of those small you know portable and just so I can live What's on the on the vinyl yeah Sturgell Simpson gave us and there are tucked away in the Back Sturgill Simpson. Is this fucking bad ass tree singer, who's on he's on tonight on the Jimmy Fallon Show he was on last week and he gave me these vinyls and made me want to go, get a record player. I think I want to do it, but I visit one for here right still on, for here I mean you, don't need to spend a ton of money and they're only like what a good one is. Only a couple hundred bucks in the coming back yeah, it's great it's one of my one of my favorite things to do is go downstairs in my office and I got some old old studio monitors that are like forty years old and two hundred dollars table and amp and that's it and I got the old Hendrix records and

and they still like crackle and scratching. Laughing man there's so much sound to that. To that and so much warmth, that's amazing! That's exactly how Sturgell described it. He described it as a warmth. I don't understand 'cause, I'm musically retarded.

So it is interested in just know what you like. That's all. I know what I like that yeah, that's all that matters yeah, it doesn't have to be you can you can, I mean, obviously, have to kind of learn a little bit more about the technical part of it. You know, because I make records and record, but but but basically it's just like what you used to and what you like, and that's that the shame of a lot of people don't have never really experienced final and sold so they're fine with the the little ear buds. You know what I can gather on everything squashed down to sixteen bit, numb and stuff, and- and so it's it sounds fine, you know actually prefer classical music CD's FTSE work pretty good, because you can really start to pick out the different instruments. You know, member rock and roll, it's just where you you're. Just looking in it really like, say an ac DC record, you know you listen to two guitars and vocals and drums and then a singer and

You know this so much space in air on a vinyl record, you know, is just amazing yeah, you know and then close the old old recordings are just brilliant. When I was wrestling in high school, we should come out to light. Instructs really that's what does the one song that they that they did when I was in the van really? I really liked- and I gotta keep saying when we play what lightning strikes you know it's. It was really good and right. A good friend of ours wrote it, and so you know I don't care. I mean it's a it's a cool song, you know, and no, it just kind of gets pushed to the side. It's great song, that's cool good for you that you don't doesn't bother you you guys have this separation period and then you came back. How much time did you separate for those gone about five years? What was it like to just not

be in the band and then come back well. It was on the on the the to get out there and play without any any hassle without any any well any like backstage pull. Should any of that crap. You know that was building up in and built up. It was great, I just loved it, because I could just get on stage play and I've had guys it was more like a party. I just writing pick guys that can play and like to party and that's what we did for so when you're doing the job Perry Project, you were your sensually doing, clubs and small theaters engine

appreciating the musing, then yeah and just getting out there, and because I was going through some personal stuff that was not so much fun, so kind of avoid Boston quite a bit. But on the other hand, I also had a young son that I was trying to see it at that time, as as, as I was going through a divorce. I also had a my my first son and in also wanted to get back to see him, but man I love being on the road and not so, is a kind of a turbulent time it just strictly from the from the playing part. I loved it, but it was so good when you guys got back together, yeah. Well, that was the you know again billion, but my wife, who I met when I was in the projects really didn't know about Aerosmith finishers travel around the country and and kind of missed, missed the times who

there and just didn't listen to that kind of music. I mean choose into college radio and alternative music and she only know what an Aerosmith was in. But you know I didn't walk around with an Aerosmith t. Shirt on right, right, shit, just remember seeing me play and thinking wow, this kind of might have some potential. You know somebody

charming noticed of. In fact she didn't even think to Bandow's was was it was my van? She thought it was the Son of Man, you know, but whatever the point is, is that coming from her her objective point of view, it was like because I was thinking to join up with some of the guys like, like Alice, Alice Cooper or something and she so if you're gonna play with play with that level, people want one should just go back with those guys. You know I mean you guys had a good time, and obviously you didn't did well also works. Why not? Then? It was like a seven went well, why not in all the dust to settle a lot of personal stuff and been subtle and Noah, so we started talking with Steven

and then the other guys and over the over a couple of months, we put it back together. The case came back with back in the saddle. Well, well yeah I mean that. Was it great song welcome back to a well, we had the all those great songs from the seventies that they're still the backbone of of what we play today. You know, and the first record with Geffen we did was not that hot. I don't think I mean with the hardcore fans. You know some like a put in or what it obviously wasn't what we could do, but by then we were still we're still partying, and it just wasn't working. So that's when we cleaned up and then then we did permanent vacation. This got to be a really difficult thing to manage when you're you're you're in a rock enrolled Ban, there's drug there's party and there's all this craziness, but there's also a lot of work. That's got to be done right, there's a lot of writing and rehearsing a lot of practicing, and I mean the man

Imagine all that stuff and then managing all the egos seems to me to be like probably one of the most difficult things about bands and seems to be what always happens, the ego and then the drugs, and then everything falls apart. Well, the drugs definitely exacerbate the whole. The whole thing I mean what whatever and in fact, some of the most most up stuff that happened to the band happen after we cleaned up you know and and again that's kind of one of the reasons I wrote. The book is because I felt like I should know just how hard it is or how hard it's been to keep the band together. So why there's so few of us that have that have managed to to to be to make forty? You know yeah, that's forty, two years now you know and it's tough, the behind the scenes stuff and a lot of

that just never came out, especially the last twenty years, so I felt like it should be documented. Somehow so with the book is kicking ass man I was at the bookstore the other day and it was number four in the New York Times. Bestseller list I mean that's gigantic. They said yeah you were number four on their little- little shelf, whereas all the numbers we don't even know. What number was? That's nice? Well, you know it was maybe an Aerosmith fan stuck in there maybe was number seven and he's like. I think it was came in at eight hundred or something like that when it first the first thing I mean we were just happy to make the top. Top those seller? I mean whatever we did. We had no idea, but look at that on Amazon. Four one, slash two stars well with in nine reviews that gigantic that's pretty fucking huge, well, well, standing people with stuff in the region. I guess both well definitely the reading it

for a lot of folks who grew up during that time. You know I was in high school in the 80s and you guys were just fucking super gigantic. It's a part of our life. You know, there's there's cultural icon. Bands Van Halen was a cultural icon band, and for me, when David Lee Roth Van Halen, I was depressed, I was literally depressed. I couldn't believe it No, I mean Sammy Hagar seems like a great guy. Nothing and Sammy Hagar, but I was like what the fuck is this like. What have you done like? What doing with my life, when I was a kid my friend Jay had on his car John rather his brother Jay, my my friend on the Jew? It's John James, brother, Cliffy and Cliffy had Fucking sixty five Gto is the sweetest card ever seen in my life, this can

apple red. Sixty five gto that had Chirps trips was is up his license plate because he would be, we shift gears and make the tires squeal. We do that all over the place but John, had a Van Halen license plate. It was the abbreviated it in some fucking sort way, but we were all we do, the like, the Smith logo on our notebooks and we do the inhaling logo. Remember I do kiss logo my notebook and then went David Lee Roth Van Halen. We were devastated and it was the same thing when when you left Aerosmith, everybody is like what the FUCK Aerosmith without Jopari, what the fuck it was. It was very weird I mean I that's the pressing for once I had I had to had to bust loose. I mean it was just too much. I mean we literally walked off stage of dishonest to sixty thousand people and- and I felt that was the last gig I did with while I'm yours you know on, but we stayed friends

through it. I mean we called each other and that it's set high in HOLLAND and I kind of thing and it wasn't like. We were like I'll, never talk that mother again right. What would really was like that? I mean because it was so much so much stuff going on outside of the band, but I think that if the band had been and I've said this a million times, we have been clearer, we would have just taken a vacation and just kind of you know, relaxed taken a couple of years and and let things settle in order yeah. I would think that when you're in a band, it's that huge and worldwide and touring just the sheer rpm's that you're operating at just ok, just a touring and press and fucking crowds and gigs and coke and bows- and he said it- man I'll tell you it's part of the ringing in my ears- is from that. Just that I'm sure

do you have that tonight is no. I don't I don't. I do have a little bit of hearing loss in a couple of frequencies, but but I don't have that the tinnitus. How did you avoid getting added you? While I pull up with your plugs and all of the new I'm shouldn't? We have really smaller canals and I don't have it it's like. I've been just really lucky and- and you know, I guess, the the if you get enough rest rest rest years between between you know the times it gets hit right also on on stage is not as loud as it's not like. I'm standing in front of the marshals all night long right when I mean, and I move around it gets it's loud- it's not not as loud. So I have to think it's that and just just it's good genes of the lucky you know, and now I don't have that that that constant ringing, the guys get some guys are far.

This really some guys that worked and for the bands like that would be backstage or fox or go out as a work at venues concert venues there far, because nobody knew back then right. Nobody knew in the seventies and the eighties. You had to keep yours clogged up or or you'd be in trouble, yeah. Well, it's as they get all the charts. Now, the city, you know like a half an hour to Stevie in a half an hour of this to be an hour you know is going to. It is a place where it actually starts, causing permanent damage. So you you can have the altar. They have it all charted out. We've gone and I've I've checked out the answers. He would know exactly how loud they are all out and all that- and so you know, but I'm but again we kind of I wonder around the stage a lot as a lot of times. It is not allowed in right right all right,

just before sure not to have that some bands they just really crank it, though right. Well, you know it's more, like you thinking aloud to get that microphone close to your face. They do you know what the guys, the drummers as the ones who get it the worse, because it in only their their sin right next to this new drum and cymbals in round, and it's constant in there right right next whistle the ones that are more more liable to get at the than anybody. The most guys now like plug their ears up where or some sort of your protection. You know, I see, I guess I don't know. I mean a lot of men with the emir monitors, those versions- singers, not block Salado, but also it's really easy to turn those up too loud right and that's and that's constant as see. That's that's where you can get in trouble. You know because it should turn up. You get excited the here in the audience, and so it's a because it's like you know constantly having the

someone turned up in rhyme and yet the you don't have anything relative because years get used to it and you cannot fail on it. So it turned up a little more. So it's easy to get carried away with the with the the ear things I mean. Most of them have have like a limiter on them so that they don't go over a certain tv. But it's the constant thing, that's more! It's the it's more damaging than say like just getting hit by with the just one one zap of like one hundred three d b. You know what I mean. They say that about gun fire too yeah like if you, if you hear one big boom, you're okay, but if you're a bunch over no, where, if you're at a range right, if you ever like you, if you collect guns, do you ever use those electronic ones that might fill out the gunshot sounds, but they actually amplified voices. I have somebody never gotten around to use on other amazing, but I use try that right yeah. It's really interesting. How weird yeah it's crazy! Like you, you couldn't have a calm

so. You can hear like rappers like, like not rapper like a black eye, but I mean like I want to be a black. I mean like like a piece of paper like you can hear like gum wrappers like the loud it's like hear things louder than you would normally, but then somehow or another when a gunshot goes off it muffles it right. I can see a foot like hunting would be really good because you can hear hear what's going on out there and but I'm that just never had a chance to use my usually just pulling plugs in hello, and that's when yeah, that's good enough! Yeah! Do you shoot a lot as you collect all these bounces? I can you know when I get home or when I'm up in the woods up in Vermont. You know you know Anthony from Opie and Anthony, of course, Anthony's fucking crazy. He carries a gun with him everywhere. He's got it at least one hundred guns, and he didn't even know how many, as he's got all over his house

grey were in the USA. Men were in the privilege, privilege country when it comes to that yeah. You have a gun tattoo on your forearm, which had all that I do says, come and take a vote in in you know when what's his name lee- and I just was at the at the thing there, with the with the Persians coming in and he's in the persian guy, said, throw down your spear and will let you go and he just said, come and take it, and so that's the that's. What that says a gun, tattoo that says come and take, it is a bad How does American, as you can get in less? It was an eagle with a heart on hovering over the gun. That would be the only thing that will be more american amen constitutions, deficit for a reason, you know well yeah it's hot topic for debate. It's

one of those things where people say some pretty ridiculous things. It's people hear something like this thing that happened in Seattle and this a school shooting where this kid shot. This girl that you know was apparently horrible, terrible, but that's a mental illness issue to me. The fact that he had a gun is just the the tool that he you. Used to carry out his mentally ill idea. It's it has almost nothing to do with that. I mean obviously gone makes it easier, but we have millions of guns in this country millions and if you look at the amount of actual violence that takes place, is it regrettable that it happens because you know if someone uses gun that you absolutely absolute fucking but there's so many factors that lead to someone doing something horrible, the tool that they use it shouldn't be that you're, going to

take those tools away from everybody. Who would never do that in a million years? That seems ridiculous to me. Just doesn't it doesn't seem logical? We don't live in perfect world, where everything is black and white and easy to solve exactly it's, not it's! It's so you know, and I have issues with certain things about like say what the NRA's you know I mean it's like there. I mean, I think, that a lot I mean we have to have some laws that should be enforced you know more stringently an and I think that it should be more standardized. I mean it's crazy that you can. They can have a carry a gun in one state, then you can cross the border and you're told and your felon, you know it's just it should be standardized, you know, and they should have background checks that the that they do should be more stringent all out, but you know to say that we're good, just snap, your fingers and everything's going to be nice. If we just ban guns, I'm

I was in Australia a couple a couple of trips ago, and I remember there was this guy that was walking around the streets with carrying an axe and when it at apparently he hadn't done anything violent, but just the fact that use like, obviously not right. You know when people saw arm. They looked at I mean, and you know, living in a different world. Let's say an uh: it was just carrying this acts around. You know walking down the street downtown and you know I mean June, when the guy's going to turn around and swing, it is now in its so so he said it's like it. It's it's really not the tool, its its the guy, what wielding it and and that's the that's a big part of the issue and- and the fact is this country was- I mean spy,

is such a part of our culture. I mean there, isn't it I mean how many statues are there with guys standing there with a flintlock in their hands? You know what I mean. Well, it is definitely a part of how the people originally found in this country liberated themselves. From these k kings and queens and the monarchy's that were in control of the population in Europe and the reason why they came to America in the first place, but so is slavery. It's like, as well as things like you, that's a part of our our foundation of our country, and so is black people in shackles. So it's not really exactly so I'd be excited about, but I think I think that there's not enough laws when it come to making it difficult to get a gun. I think that you should have to take a test. You have to know what you're doing. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that all you have to do is have a background check. Even if you're, not a crazy person or you haven't been in jail, you can get a gun, but you got you gotta go through a bunch of fucking hoops and ladders to get a drivers license.

How do you not have to have a really detailed understanding of how to be for the fire arm? What's the correct use of a farm where the laws of of of of using a firearm, what are the laws in this forest state by state and how you protect yourself? You know everyone now is aware that Florida's got some fucking wacky laws 'cause the Zimmerman case, and you know, there's other states that are even more loose than Florida is when it comes to what you can do and talk in Arizona. You can just walk around with a gun, they have opened yeah, but then you also look at the crime rate in most states that have have you allowed to have a gun in some form or another. Most of the crime rates are lower. You know, but then then you know there's this ways they can skew the The numbers, the numbers and you know, make it look better for one, and then the other in a lot of other things have to be taken into account.

But overall the the states that did have guns have a lower the lower crime rate. But you know again, there has. There are other factors involved, but I think that there that people should it should be more standardized and should be treated with more respect, but I don't think that it, this point anybody's gonna, taking the again they take away the guns. The criminals will have guns yeah, just because they make him go is because it made a legal. It's like come on. You use is too late. You know it's like trying to the salt out of the ocean like good luck exactly so it's too much. They say it's also. My feeling on it is like ok, well, who's going to get to decide. Is it going to be the federal government, but what a wonderful job they've, none of regulating marijuana, fucking, locking little kid up in jail. I mean there's, there's people that are in jail for the rest of their life for marijuana

You want me to trust the same people to regulate firearms. Fuck off. You know they on a terrible job and what they've done with our tax dollars have done a terrible job with how they've mitigated natural disasters like a tree. Diseases and what they're doing with Ebola? They've done a shit job across the board, So the idea that we're going to let the federal government or allow these people that are in control of the federal government, I should say 'cause, you know what is the federal government? It's a group that supposed keep everybody safe in an order in this whole country, but there's just a bunch of fucking assholes. They get elected for jobs or get hired for jobs and try to make their jobs as easy as possible running things now it just doesn't make any sense to me. That's why I think some with the NRA is actually important. You need account balance to the wackiness of the need, work, reactionary people. They just want to pull things away. We need to keep all the guns away from people you're. Not to do that. You need to accept the fact that there's a fucking set,

one hundred million gun collection in this country, I mean who knows how many guns there are. I don't know but it's probably more guns in people fuck of a lot. Fuck of a lot. That's right! That's the exact right amount and the other thing is it's like again. I mean just because you have doesn't mean a safe, the Jews. Are you know? It's been, I think Hemingway said it's probably the for, like a US, a small weapon is private, more more bullets been fired and missed than any other weapon in in history, as something Hemingway said, but I mean frankly, I'd be more afraid of you with your bare hands with the training. You've had then say somebody that comes bursting in with a with a gun waving a gun around. You know what I mean, because if it's training it's it's like the whole thing, I mean guys that are trained and trained and trained

all these. You know sharpshooting stuff. It is like to get in a in a in a altercation in the line of duty and the fire forty rounds in the miss everyone. Yeah people did definitely panic social or it's it's definitely not a you know it just need. I think that that they just need to tighten up the law. Well also, we know people there's one in one of the arguments. People say well the the laws the second man was written back when they had muskets and today you have Ar15, you have semi automatic rifles. You have all these crazy guns that are super accurate and long range scopes. This is absol. True. But one thing that people need to take into consideration is that there is also a thing called drones. What we have now is it nothing in comparison to the reality of wharf where in other countries like what we're doing right now in other countries, with drones, whether firing missiles from flying robots. Right now, Those are only in the hands of the military who,

who's to say that that's how it's going to be fifty years from now who's to say: so it's going to be thirty years from now, there's going to come a time where we're going to have to trust that peep don't just send a drone over to your house and eliminate your fucking building, and that's all is preposterous, but it's not that it's not they do it all that can happen yeah I mean it's like not just the government, but regular people are going to have access to that technology hey just go online and you can. You can buy the drones now that these helices can lift a couple sounds yeah. Who knows what the what the hell I mean? So it's again it's like people behind the stuff. You know they carry this stuff, it's so anyway, that's we're going to have to address mental illness in this country. I mean that's, that's a giant issue and I don't think pharmaceutical drug companies want us to do that for sure, 'cause they're, making unbelievable amounts of money, just medicating people just sending bills into people's lives, and

some of it is helping people again. That's not a black and white issue either. There's a lot of people to take anti the presents an antipsychotic medication is doing a world of good for them. I know personally people whose lives benefitted tremendously. I have friends that were on the verge of suicide and they start taking antidepressants and SSR eyes and now they're happy and healthy and they're doing great and I'm so happy that they exist. For that reason, but and this isn't a black white issue, because if you look at school shootings and you look at these mass shootings- and you look at the amount of those people that are an antipsychotic SSR eyes and all these different medications. It's it's almost like ninety, some in percent, it's incredible how many people are on it, so you have to wonder how much of what's happening with these school shootings. These different mass killings is DIS, associative powers of these drugs, the fact that these people can detach themselves from these crimes that detach themselves from violent acts we

No, we don't know we don't know exactly what we're doing more dabbling with the human mind, especially more dealing with truly troubled people that maybe didn't Bella properly when they were children in the mechanism for understanding and compassion. Just isn't there just isn't there and you're dealing with people who are abused, you're dealing with people who are isolated and bullied, and then you're ring them these disassociated of drugs and giving them access to guns and well we got a huge problem and then America will go which are gone problem. The it's a gun problem right, it's not a problem! No, I totally agree totally. I mean that's, that's it! The problem is faced. They don't take this the medications with the you know. My experience has been what local we've had people that, if found out where we live, so to speak, the going off the medication you know I mean in that and then they're like reading anyway. I don't-

No, you can't do that anymore, but you know what I mean. Yes, yeah. We have a good buddy that had he's a great guy, but he got off. His medication went wonky and I started emails from people hey. Our friend is having. Issue here- he's off his medication will figure out a way to get him and get him back on his medication. We was office. Medication. He was just gone, though, is just wasn't same guy right, but when he was on great guy was, like you said, so it's so it has its place. Just gets over use, and you know the drug companies go around the just hand the stuff out for free to the doctors and the doctors. Fine, you know, that's the that's. The new cut the new disease does your the uncover a time and also, let's it ask your doctor what this can do for you ask your doctor, go ask your doctor and too much will cause a heart attack. You may drop did you make for violent, diarrhea Suic?

That's that's my favorite suicidal thoughts for anti depressants or it cause suicidal thoughts. Bleeding bleeding from your ears, I mean all that stuff. It's like in the fine print. You know again it's the issue that it's in the user everybody wants to have like. We need to do this. We know we need to examine this issue, there's not a clear cut situation. It's not a black or white situation. It's this very busy! There are nuanced, complex issue that we only deal with when the fucking thing explodes we only so when someone walks in with school and start shooting everybody up like Columbine, and then we start dealing with it, but when that's not happening. We don't

asset, we move on with our lives because we have mortgages and student loans and traffic and our kids are screaming, and you just it's it's easy to forget. It's easy to forget that we live in this incredibly medicated society and doesn't always work, and it's tough. I mean the the the way that they can be read them the mainstream press and they say the economy is doing better. The economy is not doing better. I mean it's tough out there, you know and and so people award for about a day to day stuff from Vienna living. It's Monica. It's really easy to to not worry about. You know what happened in some state and wherever and what you know. So it's it's it's really tough. You know to focus on some of those things and do something about it. You know yeah, I don't understand the economy, do you under

the economy, not at all, just the look the people there. Well I do. I do understand that too many too many jobs are outsourced. You know what I mean and- and I saw it happen in my hometown- yeah you know, and if it was like a self contained place, everybody worked there. They made every part that they needed in that factory and it turned out it all these. These complicated machines, everybody got bought out by a big company, and then they started taking them the place apart. People sell losing their jobs. Town basically is just a bedroom community. Now, for you know for commute to Boston or wherever they couldn't find a job. You know well Detroit, which you brought up earlier. We film the television show in Detroit and man. I couldn't believe the amount of poverty that I was saying there. I mean people always talk about third world countries and how horrible third world countries are Dears area Detroit that you'd be better off in third world country. You know at least

third world country. Maybe you could live off the land mean So here in an urban environment where these poor fucking people, man there are some p, so that when I was there they were, they were fishing in river. That was one of its voted more rated as one of the most. Who did rivers in the country, and these people were pulling out fish to eat 'cause, they were starving, mean there were just hungry and there's not one. There was a bunch of poor people that were fishing in this river and pulling these fish out and it smelled it was next to a factory. Fucking stunt is next to Zeug Island and there's all this sh shit in the water. You look at those. You know that in sort of sheen or it gets on the water when oil and that nasty shit e t shirt, onsite, listen, I don't place the play by play in one of the one, the BT with Ebt, it's not be et. Now it's just it's a record of parity. Don't tell me what you know, but yeah these mean.

Did you ever see Roger and me the document, Michael Moore, about Flint Michigan? No, I don't know about them in an auto pay, our plant in Flint Michigan and all these poor folks who their entire livelihood was based on this auto plant in this this this business and it just went away and then the the entire town just felt. Heart and isn't where Michael Moore grew up. So he sort of documented this whole tragedy unfolding in so unbelievably depressing because they're trapped yeah, I mean there in in a place this unless they have that that factory with there's there's, you know like it's a long drive to some place any place. You know you could find work and it's like it. It's exactly the what I'm talking about where I grew up the same thing. So do you know my you know? My background is on like a lot a lot of people and I think that's that's the the core of what the economy is. I mean when we

at the strongest were making everything here? Yeah you know and- and it just killed me remember- lifting lifting some weights somewhere an and I'm looking at this fifty pound weigh. This is made in China and to tell me that it's cheaper to make it in China and ship it all the way over here than it is to make it here. How is that possible? How is that possible? It's like fifty. You know in this was fifteen to twenty years ago. You know when I was going to the gym a lot and checking it out and it was like all is stuff is made made overseas. Can they how? How can they be better for the economy for it to be made over there and which is talking about wait yeah, you know. Well, there was also a bunch of times when things got made overseas and they were way better too. That's a that's. A real issue like made China was always like a dis, God made in China like there was always like, because it means it was made as cheap as possible, but now growing up was Japan. Yes, no iphones

iphones are all made their made in a where people are jumping off the God. Damn roof man I mean they have that's all around the Foxconn factories, because so many people who work there are jumping off the they live there and they work the unseen this now it's horrible Foxconn had in this is the the the cute thing is the way they dress it up. What they say is well. The percentage of people that commit suicide. These factories is pretty much the same as a percentage of people that commit suicide in the country, but they don't tell you is how many fucking people commit suicide at work. Unbelieve live there, so their slave they are essentially slaves there making pennies an hour. I mean I don't know what the exact number is, but it's it's not a living wage in this country by any stretch of the imagination, and these people are so fucking. Precedence over work. They have to put nets all around the buildings, keeping from jumping off the roof and You get an Iphone phone,

Ninety nine, instead of you, know something more expensive. It's crazy, unbelievable! No! I haven't seen that one. That was a that wins new. I mean now and we've been watching the the bowl thing and I don't you know that that how how that is been like mismanaged from the start. I mean what it first, when we were first read about it on the on like and when you you, you guys are talking about. You know Alex Jones, all of your old stuff, and you know the the the news from all around you know. The day to day you know you really easy to find on the on the internet and I was in New York for a. We were there doing something for the book and

for a week I was reading the New York Times and USA today and they did not say one word about the bottom ball bowler and two thousand people had already died in in Africa, and it was like not a word in the in the mainstream press at least that week, and it was like I'm I'm looking for the news in this like there's nothing there. So you have to go dig in into the internet. You know yeah, it's weird. It's a it's a it's weird, the just. Let people fly over from Africa without Tell couldn't believe. That is what our air France was still flying in and out. You know what I'm good at my wife and I look at each other. What is going on who's who's in charge? Here I mean in the place, should be like they should be. If a quarantined it was back, then it would have just stayed there. You know, but.

Anyway, yeah I'm out, I don't know how dangerous it is, I'm I'm I'm confused by doctors getting it that's what gets me to criminal anyway. He describes a moon suits. How are they getting it, like? The doctors know, what's contagious and what's not contagious how to treat it, how to contain it. So if are treating in these doctors without borders, guys, like the guy who tested positive in New York City, this guy knows he's he's, where and how is he getting it? Then that's the thing they don't know about. What's going on and the thing is. Is it calls it's involving death, race, cars and it's like well, it's nature, I'm yeah. What's the you know and the thing is they they it in all its trying to find that the perfect thing between of the viruses between killing its host completely because then what good is that? Because then there's no place to go right, so they want. So the disease was to find that perfect level where it doesn't really

kill everybody, but it has a place to live. So this nature, that's awesome, it is just what you into the ocean yeah. I mean in a lot of ways: that's where we are, I mean, and Bill Hicks calls a virus was shoes, an that's right, that's it a lot of ways? It's it's really what happens all across the board in nature? You know these these predators and and in a way these viruses are the source, symbiotic, predators, they've now the US, but not totally. They want just piggy back from one to the other. The these little tiny animals man can't see too. So, just just small enough, so you can see it was with the naked eye under a microscope. You can see these little we're looking at sig yarn, just rated to fuck us over the little yarn that kicks our ass and then you know we talk, talk about going out and deal bears, I mean that's like I mean we can deal You know what I mean, but it's really

voodoo going on there with this with these diseases, and you know what they what they know in what they don't. No, it's constantly changing. It's constantly changing the scariest thing about these diseases that they can morph and they can spread into livestock and what they're really terra, I'd of is the the the they spit. It spreads and bats and a lot of these african communities and that's how a lot of people get it but they're worried about transferring into some other livestock. Is one thing that a lot of folks, unaware of is a lot of the diseases that we have when it comes to flus and all these different viruses and one of killing Thousands thousand people in this country they're transmitted a lot of it through livestock, avian flu, swine flu. It's it's because we have this gross way of storing animals. What we make the live in their own shit and we pack him into these boxes and weak right, and it's just once it catches to one I mean it's spreading like wildfire and is so much part of the culture in other countries where they,

with with the animals. Animals are right there. You know what the I mean you go to the far e and it's like you know, the ducks are hanging in the window. Ed, but then this alive once woman right in front of him, you know it's all part of the the reading log, the eggs right there. You know what I mean. So it's it's all. It's still the live so close, so easy for it to to to to to get get spread order, order to evolve so that it will yeah, I mean, boils humans of good. You know so it's you know, that's a part of the issue,

you know, but anyway, that it seems like that. The whole thing there and not in Africa is like utterly for us our headlines a couple nights ago where they actually thought. I mean- and I thought this about awhile ago, that that somebody had weaponized it and there was testing it, because it's really unusual for it to happen soap so fast. So many people, because it happens every year they get a look at you- know, get a little bowl, a little typhus, little cholera, you know and they keep it under control! That's why they've? They think that they have a handle on it because they've they know a lot of like you, know isolated and it did it's seasonal, like the flow and not but for some reason this year it just the Abola just blew out and excited to two countries that were separated by another country that that didn't have any. So it's like how does that happen

you know without some human intervention well, part of the human intervention can easily just be traveled the thing about what used to happened in what happens now is that anybody could fly anywhere in the world is not a single place in the world other than like the deep recesses of the Congo in the Amazon. It's truly isolated and people just fly places, and so if someone catches, Ebola, there's a twenty one day, incubation period, these people are going all over the place, and then you know spreading it. It's just any real disease that comes along today, like the spanish flu, in the early 1900s is going to kill a lot of people. I did this show for Sci FI and one of the things that one of the so we did was on weaponized viruses and diseases and the ECB, birds from Russia and the experts for the United States we're pretty much in agreement. He said we're not worried nearly as much about human created diseases We're worried about is nature were worried about Nate

we're, creating some new pandemic that we do not know how to control and that it hits the population and just kills a few million. People, and they said it's not a matter of if but when and so they're just constantly. On top of this, we went to went to the center for Disease Control Someones phone- oh Was it? Can you not hear that I can hear it? Ok, you put it up to your ear we went to the center for Disease Control in Galveston and it was creepy as fuck because they have these four foot, thick text stone walls with these giant thick glass windows that they look into and all this crazy ventilation system and everybody's walk around these vacuum. Sealed suits and it's fucking terrify and they're all dealing with Ebola. These different hemorrhagic viruses

that can kill you and they they were all in agreement there like. We are not worried about something that a person creates worried about nature, mutating something and then we can control it. That's what they're all worried about hello well right now more did say that the TSA has just stepped up there. There are screening thing at the five airports in America and they just started last week where they taking your temperature, hello crisis, I'm not sure if it's five or whatever, but it's the major airports this time to take peoples, temperature, Dts items, fucking goofballs, I mean someone want to just get burger king to do it. I just have a joke about that, but, like the people show up at the airport and draw hat man, I'm working fries, I gotTa Bama troll. You know it's like. This is the same amount of expertise involved in checking old, ladies for bombs, and it is for making a cheeseburger. I don't know what the fuck they're doing.

Checking some old lady who can't even walk you think she's a terrorist or taking these kids and well comes up yeah. I've got a stripper. You know yeah I've seen that there's some videos of them, Sir children there's there's some old lady who literally couldn't walk and they had to help her into that fee. Can stupid machine where you keep your hands up this lady couldn't even walk man. I mean she wheeled her up to the machine and she's an ob, This pain she has to get up and stand and she shaking as she's trying to stand she's, not faking. You see massive atrophy in her legs. And most of her time in a wheelchair, she severely compromised and they're checking her for, like she's, like she's wired up with a bomb. A gram is gonna, take out the airplanes yeah. But you know it's a it's a sad, but you know what somebody else. The next thing you're going to hear is somebody at hand them that stick

which it will share wired up. You know what I mean. Who knows how long ago you didn't have to take your shoes off right, Dick WAD try to blow shoes up. I think I think I I I didn't take off my shoes last time. Is there a goal? Keeper she's on a did? You go through the TSA pre did you might have now you check now to have free? I just had normal, but sometimes they give you like you, don't even realize it. They put they market on your pre before what I didn't even sign up for it. They just for what The reason I don't know it's so arbitrary, it's like goofy and I I can't make any sense of it and it's like I have an artificial knee. So Eve going through the machine which doesn't show my knee, which it should you know. 'cause I've looked at the screen. I still have to get stripped down. You know I have to still take

shoes off take off the belt. We have two dollars chains off to write it for his bare teeth. Irish and when I got there they go well, listen. These are from the last, not the last time the family went hunting that these are from love one of the boards. We got oh those teeth yeah. So I made these. I made one for each of the boys and me so while instability, because we all we all scored. Where do you guys, hunt on down in Florida? This is a is a rude reserve down there with a it's, it's just they. Basically the guy doesn't even know. What's on land, it's just been a core tenant square acres must remind us, cordoned off and you can go out and, and you can hold out until you

got a board and turned it into a necklace. Well, yeah do let you on the plane with those you, okay over the plan with that yeah, so it I had a fake two to three that I bought an army. Navy store was- and you know, the empty and they've day making maybe taken off in Brazil of all places, I'm in a final flown all over the all over the world. I mean Japan everywhere and one one guy looked at it and said: comma. You can't you can't take that and it's just a you know we

is it a real and it didn't have anything, and I mean it was me because you can shake a mental right and it was obviously a dummy. What how do you get a fake name? Well, I've. I've fell off the stage, let's see probably going on thirty years ago. Billy one was it now did it if it's at the end of a show it was in Dallas. I think, and I fell off the stage and and how to basically tore a ligament and we're she was Preg and with our first with Tony, our first son, so that that makes it almost twenty nine years ago and and I we were booked to go on a dive vacation the next day and rather than go in and get it operated on. So I could have been walking the next week said: we're not going to give up the deposit we're going we're going to go, diving, lift, lift me into the water or whatever, and it was they tried it.

Today and it was the most agonizing pain I've ever felt because for some reason the the water like separated the the knee and all that stuff. So we couldn't do anything but lay on the beach for two weeks which didn't suck, but it wasn't a dive vacation. We had envisioned because really couldn't dive because she was pregnant and I couldn't dive because my knee was fucked then so so when I got back, I had it off, On an three operations later they finally said you gotta, have a replace so it was the worst act damage well over a abuse I mean it. That way was torn a torn ligament. Very you know, really common sports injury and right foot ball, guys get it in and they're back playing the next. In a room when it first happened, but it wore away in a war way more and then they had to put in on our of tendon from a cadaver in a yeah. I've got two of those, and so it fine I I put it off as long as I could and then and then I just had to have the new player so

I do an artificial knee what they have to saw off the end of your bone and put this thing and screwed in place like they do. Apparently, I was sleeping at the time. This is deeply as possible. Yeah, I might add, but apparently they they. You know. When I went to sleep, I saw the tools of the trade and it looks they were putting that working on an old car. You know what I mean: it's like: they got saws and you know screwdrivers and will and they're talking about golf. You know and they got a wall full of full parts because they need because everybody's needs different round, and don't know once they get in there. What they're going to need, so they have just about every part. You can imagine that will fit. You know on the wall, so they they do it all the time. It's all they do with this hospital is knee, replace, for please whatever and a lot of the sports guys go up there in in Boston and they a Dutch they do. I guess the they cut off, Sir,

parts and nails the only thing in there and not in this, is there a couple of pieces of titanium in their as well as some some like tough line and other other stuff they have better ones. Now I had mine done about I five or six years ago, but the thing is nine months later it never got. It didn't get any better at staying. Swollen and I went in and had it tested and they said you got to go, you got to be operated on the next day and we got to go in there and clean it out. Cuz on the verge of going septic, which is three in action. America had the infection and staff once you, the staff or something it's one of the two that that they did. People all the time, then they they think that it happened when I was getting the first one put in when I got the new put in it, and my body fought it off as long as it could and then finally, the it just was on the verge of going. You know the what how

zip, gets in your blood and gets you get blood poisoning, and then you can really get sick of it here then you're in the hospital for months. The other If you want hugest operations right at will, hey sick people go to hospitals, men and it's do everything they can do. You know to keep the claim, but it's it's a. It is a big issue about the that the getting the infection. So it's also a big issue because of antibiotics, because antibiotics fight off the streams, the only rentals virulent strain survive and then it becomes a become anti biotic resistant right and that's where it gets really scary, because people can get these Marsa. This medication resistant strains- and you know there on the verge of death and it's touch and go the whole way there pumping him full of medication there in a hospital and there still on the verge of death, there's almost nothing. They could do to fight off some of those when when it gets bad, it really gets a grip.

On you in again same thing of you were talking about earlier. It's like it, just it's a something! It's feeding off of you, it's like of a virus, it is gets. Hold of you? And you know you're the host now and your wide open, I mean, is laid open. So I am just you know here. It's picnic time, hello, yeah, it's scary, stuff, scary stuff. So now, when you walk around you! Don't have a liberal? Well, it's that's the the good part about it. It's like it's working. Well, it doesn't hurt when I'm like ninety percent of the time that is, I have to click a when a plane. I have to move it like every forty. Five minutes get stiff, then it'll hurt, but I know they haven't a new generation that in fact Stephen just cut his replacing him and his is a new, a new one

The old loose bent one way, and apparently your knee bends kind of two ways, and now the new one spend the two ways and they're better and they're less. I guess is less invasive to the way they put it in and it's there always. Make it better, but it's still an upgrade well. My mother had one and she had to have hers replace the fifteen years. She she shoes in athletic instructor and she kept doing the aerobics stuff. You know she got older and she wore it out and so she had to have it replaced. So I don't know I'm going to have it not I'm due for a for a like a fifty thousand mile check, and then they'll see you know 'cause, Tyler walking around with an upgraded model. It's like you know they mean nothing's going to stop me, never know the difference. For me. Gotta keep up with the Joneses man. You gotta get one of them new ones. I'm fine with him doing all the dance on you

great at. If you can still dance with his new knee in everything he does he he he he did all the therapy he's. You know like. I was not going to stop in awhile minutes built. He's he's he's designed do what he does is great. It's just amazing that they can do that. Now, your we got robot rock stars. That's essentially, what's going on right now, yeah I mean you know it's it's like I don't like that. What's that new Menudo that they used to keep changing the she hits the whole team did throw them out and then they get a new one, and so they got this band. It's like it's like. Hammer that got handed down from you know your great great Great Grand Father only they had to replace the head five times in the handle six times. So it's the same hammer only it's been, you know. Well, that's what This is done they they. You know they have a new Peter Criss in a new ace, Frehley yeah. They deserved it. Make up these other dudes and like you're, just you know you just you're the STAR child now yeah, where the Paul Stanley he's a child. I don't know if they can go that far

they will pop anybody. Could if anybody can do it, they can 'cause. They got the make up at all yeah the yeah. It's just Manu, though, is a weird band too, because of you ever eaten Menudo later right now are they still. I mean I heard about him in the you know years ago. They still I know, but I'm saying the food Menuda now. What is it? There's a place called Papusas in bold, Colorado this fucking great mexican joint and they they have this dish called Menudo in Menudo. Is it supposed to be a great hangover cure, and it's like tripe and begins and all this beef stuff and it's in the spicy broth. It's fucking fantastic. It's got chick peas in it and it's it's really good. I mean, if you're into that stuff, nobody spicy. If nobody told you what it was. You would probably love it yeah, but you would

like digging in there and there's bones in it like what the fuck is this boat with, like a like a, but it's like all this weird stuff, you know that they throw in there. It's classic mexican dish that they they, Sir sort of like like a post hangover, Mexicans love there Servais is today. This is what it looks like that's a good is that from papusas website is that somewhere else? But it looks just like that. It's like a lot of that stripe and organs and liver and those chick peas. In there. It's fucking, fantastic, but That's Menudo this far, will look in Lixir. I wonder what they, what are? They called the band that yeah it looks which is broth like some fucking, something which would stir up in a cauldron men first time I had tripe was the last time I had tried, We went out stomach. I believe it's stomach. I lining it's

yeah like in the thing. Is you you? It's like kept Connelly come like squid, you know or calamari. It's got that same kind of consistency. Only only it doesn't chew. Me can chew it, but it doesn't breaking this. More pieces. You have to keep chewing it in now yeah at least the stuff we had in it, and it was really like it was it was you know, and and and and the guy who turned us on it was a promoter we went out to dinner after a show, and he was like you know you got to try this and you know and thank you, but that was never again and now it's like see urgent. I can't stand Cr Chin sushi. You know what I mean it just doesn't agree with me: where are you did you have like plans on being some sort of a marine biologist or something at some point? Yeah I've been telling people's stories. This is funny on Twitter. I found this rock. My daughter found this rock on the beach in Santa Barbara and had all these holes in it and we're trying to figure

the fuck. It was an asteroid or something I put on Twitter. I go what's this rock Joe Fucking Perry is the first not answer me on Twitter and tells me it's a cease to like these animals had like burrowed into this stone and create a little homes really well told me well anyway, I the ocean, L, a n rid captured me from the very beginning. I mean I love, I love jockey style and watching those those specials and- and I got to see, seems to be a couple times in Boston and I just was that's what I wanted to be. I wanted to be when I went to woods, hole and you know visited there, And- and I thought that- I wanted to do was be a marine biologist and you know in the whole learning disability thing which they didn't know, what to call it back

except to discipline thing in order to manage a was a studying hard in the fall. I wanted to want to get good grades studied as hard as I could. I mean it. Looked at the page, read it nothin stock in this, like I couldn't get raised now, it's like a d, H D. I guess they called them and and that's where they have different ways to teach kids now and- and it doesn't involve you know like taking some pills. I mean there's just different ways of teaching that that work. Then they just didn't, have it back, then don't you think we don't know what it was. You know that that that's also probably what led you to be such a awesome guitarist. I think, there's something about people that can't accept traditional learning environments and then some every now and then one of them becomes like an amazing video game designer or one of them becomes an amazing guitarist or an amazing artist, but sitting in a classroom or

being forced into traditional sort of sometimes doesn't work with people, but those same people have this canny ability to pick up musical instruments or art, or it's all. Which is not recognizing this. The broad spectrum of of human development and some people just are different and so We want everybody to fit into this sort of box of how learn or how they think or how they how they can benefit it. Is it n benefits society how they can fit in our culture? Well, I think that that's what's happening and that's there are, in fact the prep school went to to parents, sent me that to immerse me into the that culture more to try and get me the college. You know it was just

the same same sold, school learning, which was you know, sit there in his memorize we've we've it's the same same thing now, I'm not. I don't know how they do it, but that there are different ways to get kids so that they can they can learn, or at least motivate them. So they can at least get get through that whatever they have to get through. But on the other hand you know I mean I don't know, I think my brain is wired different. I mean I just just talking to different artists, you know and look at history and looking at painters and and writers and in all skull there is and what motivates them- and you know the issues they had. You know growing up and that kind of thing and how they they knew what they wanted to do from the start. I unfortunately didn't you know, but but that drive. I think that if I had been allowed to get through that that

typical in a way of learning, I'm I'm could probably could thrived in that in that environment. You know on the on on on one of those boats, you know going out the way the sea shepherd Stu or the way the did that the you know the the Woods hole guys to our Ballard. You knows that it goes out. I mean he was a for all. We know he was a a a a dummy in school. You know what I mean, and and may I make his way through. You know it's good- that they you over. Well, I mean 'cause. Then we have Joe Perry. The musician the world have been robbed. You've been out there catching fish and shit How Smith would sound so much different? It would have fucked up the whole world. It's like everything falls into its proper place,

I read enough science fiction, I mean I've been outside a bunch. You know say what you know. What would you be doing if you didn't do that music or what you know what whatever and you know it? I have to say you know that you know reading the not science fiction and all that about time travel. You know that if you screw something up in the in the past chances are that you know the dominoes, gonna fall and everything's good. It's going to screw everything up and I have to say that a girl, a beautiful wife and four great kids and they're doing great and- and I got this this band and- and you know for what it's worth you know I mean it has its ups and downs, and but you know I couldn't say if I change anything. You know what I mean no, but I did did to have go through some agony. There is a kid in a while, but I think a lot of people can relate to that. You know yeah well, the schools, designed for the average person, means designed to try to educate children as much as

this idea that there's some sort of a grand conspiracy, I get really angry. When people talk about grand conspiracies when it comes to education, I don't buy into it for a fucking. Second I think, the real issue when it comes to education is that its financial for the most part, the amount of respect for teachers and it's a matter of what are the reese- this would where's the money going, how much resources do they have to work with every kid and trying to find each kid, individual needs very difficult. The it would've won the garlic use different. From a guy like him or him, or anybody in this room. We were all different in some. Some people thrive. Under traditional environments for education and some people, just fucking don't- and I was one of the adults You know, I'm not an idiot, but I just for my I mean I have to be interested in something in order to do it. If I'm interested then I have, This crazy laser beam intensity and I'll fucking binge on things until I pass out I'll do

things one thousand two hundred and thirteen hours a day, but if I'm not interested, I just I could stare at it. I can read it and then I'll get through the test, but then it's over. I don't remember a thing I learned well, I couldn't get to the test, but I totally relate to what you're talking about you know. When I see- and I see it- my kids, my kids have this drive. It did you know when they when they have a goal, they go for it. You know, and fortunately they they've they're able to to deal with the the traditional schools thing. But but you know they they we were home schooled. You know, Billy took the Montessori model and you know brought them uh that way and then and then, when the tape came time for them to to staff, to do real learning. You know that we know we have to fill out, like all things, all the forms, so you ready Matin meet up with all the regulations. We brought a tutor on the on

bus and they were, you know, for the bulk of it was was done that way and he he worked with them and and and and adapted what they needed. You know, and so in a way you know if they did, they did learn most of their get most of their schooling outside of the you know, the public school box thing, which is every year it gets cut down. More and more I mean there, I mean one thing: music, for example: in there there's so many I mean there, no, no more music programs anymore, I mean yeah. I mean I do as much as I can to to do. Fundraisers to so. You know really to contribute in to the to school, so they can so maybe they could recognize some somebody as talent do that you know what I mean, instead of like just taking a completely out of the picture and in find their own way. It's it's tough yeah, it's tragic,

either, there's not more money and and more time and more effort, more consideration invested in education in our culture. So it's one of the least paid jobs. That is the most important job. You find out the teachers again, three thousand five hundred and forty five thousand dollars a year me I'll fuck. Do you live on that? How do there a human being? You know how, family and a wife and kids on thirty five thousand dollars, forty five thousand dollars a year. It's crazy media, if you're single man by your a single woman by yourself on that. But if you, if you were like really planning for a future and you making that kind of money, it's just no incentive for people to even have a love for age

and to get involved in it. It's really really tough and mean, and that's it they have to be. They have to be driven to one of the teachers and then and then that's the that's going to be a small percentage of I mean they could be. You don't have to be like you know, totally driven like a like an artist to be a good teacher. You know- and I mean you can and and it cuts out a whole a whole lot of people that that could be good teachers, n n. They just don't want to go that way because they don't want to have to live like they're close to acquiring line. Now you know it's also it's it's just sad that they're not given as much respect. I mean that should be an incredibly respected position, leaving your children with them. I got to sage with someone about this the other day that we talk about like you know, I'm I'm there to raise my kids and everybody raises your kids. It's not just you! Your kids are being please, by all the people are going to school with him just because you're,

when the kids go to sleep when you're there, when your kids wake up, and you feed him breakfast your kids, if they're in school, they're being raised by other people well their experiencing a point of unit perspective, that's not individually, uniquely your own, it's, and so much of it is like, because people have to have two jobs. You know, and both parents working it turns out to be. You know almost like a day care saying you know what I mean is like people can't afford to have a a nanny or whatever, and yes, like the the schools are used to as a place to dump your kids off. So you can go off run off to your job and I think, that's again, it's another side effect of the of the economy doing what it is and what is Stewart? So it's since working against everybody. You know it's also a real symptom of our perspective. It's a symptom of our perspective being so sh skewed that the things that are really in hugely important like I've talked about the

before, but it's in bears mentioning again that the most important thing, if you want to have from country the more most important thing is, have less losers, more people that have educations more people are happy more people that are healthy. That would stronger country right well! Well, how come you invest more money in children. Why don't? They invest more money? This government is com only going overseas and fucking with this car green, invading that country and ISIS send in this shit- and that's that's all well and good. But what about fun? Children that living right here in the places where people pay taxes about those children? It's they didn't ask to be born poor. They didn't ask reborn in some shitty town the fact that we don't invest more money in our infrastructure in our interests are human infrastructure that just children growing up that are going to be the people that you're going to have to interact with that. Your kids are going to interact with this is a way to mitigate that, at least to a certain extent,

is a way to make a world a little bit better and they're, not doing anything about it. The cotton cutting money to education, cutting after school programs cutting it after addicts I mean the the wrestling programs are under fire everywhere. It's unbelievable crazy was my mind. When I hear that stuff I mean you have. No, you know no athletics. I mean it's like I mean when I was growing up, I mean all that stuff is available. Even in a tiny town that I grew up in a meat was you know, I mean it's just part of it. You know yeah yeah, it's it's it's for a very strange time. We live in a very strange time. It's almost like. We have a bunch of children that are, they don't have a dad and denied their lord of flying the whole country. You know it's Lord of the flies, but it's like the country is being run by people who are children. It's like yeah

they might be in the fifties. Yeah, you know they perspective is so fucking goofy like what's in and what's not important, is just being elected. Fundraising, you know being loyal to your political party in your constituents, but the real issue of like social engineering in a sense of man, aging our communities in a more bountiful way, managing our communities in a more making the more prosperous making people healthier and more educated? It's not not consideration at all. They pay service to it when they give political speeches, but the real. How do being a president or a senator or congressman is of

locking you, Jim out of your time, is spent raising money. They don't. How can anybody how that and I? How can anybody learn to learn the ropes in four years? Yeah, I wanna, you know, and I mean it's like it's set up to suggest to the dynamic is such set up. That way I mean you know, and, and and and we know that they did it because we didn't want to have a king, we didn't they were all afraid of having a king and all up and they they. You know, I think a lot of it was was based on an old to the room in the rebellion and, and you know, cutting there are ties with England and yeah not having that that that that royalty thing and all that you know it just the whole the whole political thing I mean like when you when you go to Washington, do you feel a different vibe like when you get like when I go to go to work Washington DC and I go inside

beltway? It's almost like I'm in a different world. I feel this this different energies, this different vibe, it total disconnect from the rest of the country. It's like. It's really strange the death star. It is you're visiting the desktop. It's like I mean that's what that's what that is mean. I was just there. I was just there last weekend. It's the fucking death star, that's where more political unrest more calculated tax on foreign soils, it's all taken place is one and then fucking political interests and special interest groups. There's a county this somewhere off of way from Washington DC in Virginia, where there's more money per capita in this one area than almost anywhere in the country, and it's just lobbyists, that's who live there, just fucking political criminals I just fucking up our entire system through the loop holes and that's it and then just sitting there, making these decisions pushing things that they don't really care about. Thinking about their failed Lee

and you know making sure they're going to have enough money to to like a hand down to their kids over a hundred clubs in the yachts and the power it just comes with that which is a huge drug in an an ego and all that stuff and it just it just runs rampant there and it's and they're the ones that have been telling people in the Midwest how to live. How to? How did? How did you know do everything as much they can. You know, and it's just getting more worse and worse, and now I mean, but anyway I think people should stand up and and jeez I mean you know, even the voting saying I'm starting to think about. You know I mean I what I did involved in you know in the seventies, and I didn't really do much, but no work for the network with the band to try and make it what it was an all out. But you know when I started, you know the

thinking a little clearer. I started voting, but now I'm starting to wonder about the whole thing I mean it was ready to. Let's say that you know hey, look you're you're, making a statement by not, but I don't know if that's true yeah it's it's rigged, where you're not doing anything. If you don't you're, not doing anything. If you do it's, it's a two party system look at this two party system. How manipulated it is. If you look at the commission for presidential debates, you look at how this this, this group has set it up so that the people that are allowed to debate like when it gets down to it you, have to have a percentage of the popular vote in these people that our mainstream folks, like Obama and Mccain and they're going to be able to debate and they're going to be able to, but the the weirdos. You know the Green Party in the people with like the strange ideas that there are, what what's consider

non traditional. They don't get a say, and that kind that's fucked up I mean where, if we're going to have like a real, even society, where all sorts of different ideas get considered, we can't say that this things per correct the way. This thing is right: now, it's not perfect every everybody will admit it even from the top to the bottom there with men. It's not perfect, there's a lot of problems with with our culture and the way we run things, but they don't take into consideration. Other peoples ideas they. They won't allow them because Ross, Perot, fucked all that shit up Ross Perot came in any. I believe the only the the only had to have like five percent of the vote in in the primaries in order to be considered to for these presidential elections. So you've got this crazy, billionaire who You remember the Ross Pro yeah sure. That's the reason why George Bush is dad Herbert Walker, Bush a guy. That's why he didn't win a second term. Ross Perot came in and stole.

Watch the votes and Clinton snuck in yeah yeah I mean it's just it is it's just the whole. The whole mechanics of the whole thing just one is almost like, was standing on the outside. Watching this thing happened, and so yeah, this giant fishbowl, but it all radiates out to us all up. So it's also. How do you stop the momentum of this gigantic machine and reorganize the whole thing in a way that everybody agrees to, especially Buddy who's already been prof for so long off of the current situation, and you do with corporations that have a massive amount of influence, and you would have to somehow another strip away the rights of the Supreme Court's, given them to give as much fucking money as they want candidates and to act as individuals that crazy, it's crazy. So to stop that

for your deal. You got a runaway train you're asking someone to stand in front of it and put their hands up. Try to stop that thing. It's like, I don't think it's a perfect situation, I think for sure someone could do a way better job of engine during our society and how we run how we established laws, how we take away, take taxes and relegate them to the areas of society that we deem necessary with law enforcement or you fire protect, or whatever it is that we need money for from taxes to do that, a more ethical way in a way, that's more, mutually beneficial. I think it's possible, but it would have to stop this. Fucking massive machine with so much momentum behind it and that's the real difficulty, and I think that the people that could do the job that the people that are really smart and n. No, no, the guts of the politics and playing the game they just this small

enough to they value their own lives more and they go. I just don't want to play that so I'm and handed in my autobiography a ceiling. You know I'm going to, let you know yeah just take you know and public speaking, we more we've seen we've seen. You know, candidates that look good all down the line, but they just didn't have the the the is my bones in Yale and all and not for whatever yeah. Is that all that stuff all at the whole of the credentials? So to speak, that you got to have to get there or the enough of lobbyists behind them that they know they can not be bought and sold. You know whatever, and so it's just a it's a it is it's it's. It is a big machine and it's and it's run by itself and that's why I feel that this just by you know this so much money and so much power going on inside that beltway. It's like around screen, I can't relate to that

It is. It is well it's weird to the haves and have nots in DC or so apparent because DC is bordering. I mean, there's, there's all this money and is always white people, but then there's this imp of black community. That's outside of it. That elected fucking me being buried twice as mayor they'll. Back to his merit after he got arrested for smoking, crack they elected him. Again I mean so fucking wild town. It's a wild town on the outskirts of the death star. I mean walk down that street in Georgetown. You know the main drag there and I don't feel safe there. Day or night. You know what I mean they just I mean at one time we could get, we've been there and it just been a huge shooting right there in the Starbucks. Anyone I mean it's like you know it's just it's just crazy,

and wasn't it like murder, capital of the country at one point yeah, I think it was I mean they were they were. They were in competition with Detroit and I don't know some more. It's like the super bowl of bounces around from city to city. You know it was like you know, selling more glocks per per person than any other place in the world. You know unbelievable yeah, it's, strange, very strange, but it's also it's a it's almost a perfect representation of our our country itself. How weird our country itself is so close. Talk about that thing. You got in your front end is aware of the world that is so cool. I mean I mean it's like. I could see something like that leaping out of the woods. Really I mean I mean I'm until I tell somebody could prove it prove a different. I believe that some of those animals are out there, I mean, and so I mean it's just it's the right size.

You know what I mean right weight and all that it's just a matter of if it can find enough food. You know Well, this tigers tigers rely scarier than a werewolf because the higher the tiger twenty four hours a day, seven days a week right where will fully becomes a murdering machine when the full moon is out right right, but that one that's a hey, that's what it would look like yeah. Well, that's that could really be an animal for sure that contain animal. I mean it's not much different than a wolf. I mean just just a lot: bigger yeah yeah. If an animal, If you really want to think about it, there's a lot of animals that people get fixated on like there's like vampires people are terrified of vampires. Vampires scary how's, the vampire any more scary than a Bola Bola, is right. Easily scary, is a fucking vampire vampire. You drive a stake through its heart and you're done. It's good. You know, Well, we know werewolf shoot it with silver bullet you're out of there yeah,

Lone Ranger had the right idea. He did have the right. I know it always leaves leaves, leaves you know the heroin or the hero with the I don't know whose name was he left me? The silver bullet. You know yeah. Maybe one ranger was a werewolf hunter. Why haven't they made that movie Lone Ranger? It seems like a perfect that seems like a perfect connection there. I, like that That thing was made by this guy named Pat Mcgee, who is a special effects designer he does movies and all sorts of shit and the all of the american werewolf in London, real hair on it and everything here. I don't know wonderful. I think it's yak hair or some shit. He told us. I forgot a dd amazing. What does that have to do with trifling? That's disgusting having yak dead, yak hair on? Why I don't know if you get it, I don't

could they can make fake hair. That looks anything like really are. That's. Why toupees look like shit, you ever been with a girl that has fake hair and essentially extensions. I think that's just disgusting to think like who's here. That is. Is that person a lot I have to live, is outsourced. Just like we were talking about a lot of it's from India yeah. I guess they grow. It It has to be a certain length and then they can cut it out source it we were watching frozen. You know my daughter loves that movie frozen and She can read now so she likes to wait for the credits and then read people's names and they're all indian names, like the people who made the movie, because it's they just and outsource all the animation. So all of it was India, like they're all these mountain punk.

Among you, know, like always crazy names. You have a really hard time pronouncing while well yeah, hey they get it done. I mean, I know that you know like a lot of the cartoons they do they. You know they they they do like the cornerstone pictures of what you know with the cartoon is going to be, and then they send it off to career wherever in the that's, what they actually do, the the the it off frame by frame. You know, cartoon stuff, I don't know how they do. I mean that was when we were on the Simpson's. I don't know what they do now, because the computers of come some so much father. You know the animation is a lot easier to do, but back then it was like you know. When we found out how they did it, it was

really you know, I mean it. No, it isn't like the old days when you know you had a bunch of crazies down there. It is on the lot of Disney who actually withdrawing the stuff. You know yeah had political stuff that related to the war to to the country. I mean it was really. He looked at some of those old cartoons and they're great because they're just they're saying so much in there you know and because it was guys that live right down the street in the dash did the work instead of you know somebody often if they go off the line or out of the thing it just gets tossed out, and you know it's it's a whole different thing, but let's play some of those old cartoons is so cool to watch I mean some of them are exactly Klay correct someone pretty, but first you know some of the other things that are in there. For you, I mean, you know, lives there, but there you know allusions to

the Mary Jane and you know all the different drugs and shit, it's pretty pretty funny. You know it is and it's interesting that you're still allowed to watch those, but they could never make those. Today, Tom and Jerry Right, like Tom and Jerry, will beat the fuck out of each other. Like you could never have that today, Tom and Jerry would hit each other with fucking frying pans, and their head would form in the shape of a frog, PAN and then they would. You can't do that with kids today you can have because then some Kid hits his fucking brother in the head with a frying pan 'cause. He thinks it's going to turn into the show. The pan kills his brother and then they sues Warner there is the next thing. You know that class actions, but you

I'm sure the old ones. It's weird yeah, a Reddit science fiction book awhile ago. It was all about this. This, I can't remember what the plot was, but the the thing was: a guy's job was actually going through old movies and taking out the cigarette smoking. All the all the you know whether it was tv shows or movies I mean his gig was to to make it look like they were smoking. You know in the in. If you had to cut a couple scenes all you would do that, but mostly it was like a like air brushing whatever it would. You know they they they do and and taking cigarette smoking out of the movies you know anyway, it was

something that was just a little part of feature of the of the book, but I kind of stuck with me. You know that that kind of thing about it's kinda like when I call russian history, you know so yeah. You know when somebody new comes in the power they change the history books in in Russia in homes like they've, they've, totally river. Everything you know when you go to Disneyland a big percentage of the photos of Walt Disney. Have the cigarettes airbrushed out of them? They have photos, dropped out all his cigarettes because Walt Disney everywhere he went Tom and Jerry cartoons Carey Racism, one oh yeah, tweeted this yeah yeah yeah you're, making them put fucking warnings on Tom. Or what was racist about Tom and Jerry Memory, is the woman that would walk around. It was like the maid or she's like a whole time right. Is it racist if that person actually exist?

If you could show a person like that. Is it racist like how about this? If you show a fucking toothless, cracker from from Kentucky. Is that racist 'cause? That's a real dude like there's a lot of dudes. If you go to West Virginia okay, you go in the mountains. You'll find some fuckin redneck e mother fuckers and there, people and if you put them in a cartoon, would that be racist now, because look at honey, boo, boo right If you have some aunt Jemima, lookin old fat, black lady, if I could show you a real version of that. Is that racist or is it racial or is it representative of a small centage of people who happen to be african American how's it racist, I don't know, but there's also points in Like Tom and Jerry, where, like you know, like a cigar blows up or an he has black face, you know type things, there's like a bunch of weird little. Things that as a kid growing up, we were just like that's hilarious- he's black face, but does it make it black face, or he just have switched on his face

I don't think it makes that face. You know, but that's that's the where somebody is going to go, the photos of Walt Disney a real weird I've got a few of them on my instagram last time I was there 'cause. You see him sitting there like this like he would have. Fingers are in a position where we would have a cigarette in his hand, that shows the cigarette king missing is. Apparently he was just a chain smoker and died of disease complications cause of lung disease that he died from, but they tried to hide that too. They tried to like doctor up is but they sort of freely admit it. Now we went on a tour like last time, where Disneyland in one of the people that re He understands like the history of Disney is pretty fascinating. Took us. And showed us all the images and explain to us. Did they ever with the supposed to be really fancy restaurant like down underneath for guests and for vips, and it's behind

of the door one one of the doors and one of the one of the fake streets really, you can go down and you walk down an apparently it's like, like everything, is Tiffany lamps from from the 20s and and all that kind of stuff, and it's supposed to be like or may not sure I've never been in there. I just heard stories: what's the ride where you can go through and then you can eat inside the ride, it's small world or pirates of the caribbean, Caribbean, but it's overlooked that that restaurant overlooking, at restaurants if you're, if you're sitting in there you'll see like this house, that's actually the red he's talking with you called. I forget it's like waltz. You have to have a secret path word. Something like that to get a little weird, there's so many hidden secrets of Disney land that I didn't know that like if you go to the haunted house, but if you ask for a death certificate at the end of the ride, they'll give you a death certificate or all the people sweeping up that

walk around. They all carry these pens, these collectible pens, and they will give him to you. If you ask where? Is it like a million things but check this called club? Thirty three and it's Disneyland's secret. Twenty five thousand dollars dining club wow, twenty five thousand dollars for It is as like for a membership with the focus. The twenty program, for I didn't even know that you can get in there unless you knew of somebody at the main menu is full of upscale options among them a king, crab stuff. Lobster tail pan the filet mignon chipotle salted. Hollande King Salmon, Colorado Lamb chops with his MA noodle in there. It says Listen to this, applicants can be on hold for a fourteen years, just for the chance to pay the twenty five thousand dollars initiation fee with and additional the dollar annual membership fee. Applicants must also pass a re

here. Background check. Well, good luck with that. I'm out, I didn't make the cut rigorous background check. Where does that mean? What does that mean? You have to be white. Would you pay us a start? I mean it's probably the top of the list, but wow this is fun. Thanks. What's it's called club thirty three, so this would be cool. People would lie was saying, would be cool if we could take phone calls and someone is a member of club. Thirty three call us, but you know there is at least seating there. We have to get yeah, but anyway, I've never been here's a primer in we didn't even get on Saturday night live in the 70s. Why that I'm not sure I just never. You know it's one of those things. I look back and I go wait a SEC. They had all kinds of rock bands on there and we never were asked or we might have been asked in our management? Might little said? No, we making too much money tonight and Rfk Stadium, or we also considered

very let loose cannons. You know, as far as where I am right, Illuzzi or you might win we're. Not we want to be in your invite home to dinner. Yeah that were guys were too wild, and I think is one of the reasons that the that our management didn't. Let us go to Europe often there. I think they were afraid that we would get caught at the border, which is stupid because I mean we were we weren't that data out of control? You know, I think that they just they would we just. We were making too much money here and there was two wasn't a bother to go out you when you go to England and Europe and and build build up a following there tells we went I mean it was. It was definitely good. Was we wanted to go? I mean the end. Will play? everywhere: they're going to Australia, Japan, we we went to Japan twice and went to Europe twice

Was it and there were? Other bands were just it was like they were going around the world. You know I mean, and I certainly they didn't go to South America. The way they do now, but but they they just kind of kept us in a in a kind of here, almost that that all this thing you know yeah, I didn't I mean we would we would ask, and then they would say well, maybe next year, whatever and time to do another album and we would do it so the whole world is more this. So many more options now for bands to dispatch. Never everywhere right, 'cause, the internet, 'cause people find out about you everywhere. Now you have a song, the people I mean an and also people find out about bands from older generation.

They find out about a noun to become more popular because the internet as well right area that it's definitely opened up. I think they're a lot of a lot of advantages to the way things are now for the address and for the fans as far as like the art moving from from from one place to the other, and you know from one set ahead most of the next, but certainly not getting paid yeah. That's far as as far as the royalties I mean, that's, you think, about digital music. What's your take on this whole, and when Napster came along and now with all the bit torrent, ing and everything well not going to other fan first. So when Napster came on, I was like I loved it, because just to name one. At one reason I mean my kids would ask me to get down with some of the other cool songs from back in today. You know, I mean they knew about led Zeppelin in the stones and all that stuff, but there were there a lot, a lot of cool bands from that, and you could go on app store and find them. You did

have to go to to you know: Skippy Whites record store right and not far as gateway in order, those kind of things- and you know what I mean and not, but you know it's it's the same time. I would say: hey, listen, you know you getting this for free and basically it's wrong and you know that's part of your inheritance that you're losing right now. By doing this, you know, so they they would make an effort to like if it was a newer record, they would always go out and buy it. You know- or you I taught him about you know what was going on and I can remember talking to to any billion I my wife and I went to down to me- was all about one of my soul records and we were we talking. It was right around when Napster was happen and we see what's going on with that. It's killing is killing us site, the real you know and is commonly in a like a freight train and

and he said oh, I don't know, what's going to go away, it's it's not a big deal with that. This is the president of the of the record companies and everything's gonna be fine. You know we have this lawsuit with the r I they're going to shut these people down and everything will be fine. Six months later, Darnielle owner is not present. Label anymore, you know now spread out and they will figure in starting to figure out ways to get people paid, but it was. It was the horses out of the barn and was gone, and you know they should just picked, put it right away and made a deal and and it's it could have been so much better and so so different. But at that point they will live in so so high high on the hog or off the hog. What is and what the experts on Aug,

okay and they were- I mean there was so much money being made the way that they were doing things they didn't think anything could go wrong. It was that old thing with a with the with the the businessman actually thought there are more important than the artists and not was true from like managers agents to to the record companies, and did you see the peace that could Courtney Love wrote about that now? Courting love wrote this piece a lot of people think she's too dumb of actually written it and that there's somebody ghost wrote it, but those people are rude. I don't know how dare they fuck? Do you know how smart do you ever sit down? I never sat down and Courtney love either. Maybe she is smart but the peace essentially detailed how artist get screwed over by record companies and that that's one of the reasons why their model collapses, because of greed and that these record companies they would spend a lot of money and give this artist like a big like, record signing fee or recording fee, and then everything would come out of that

like the amount that they would spend on promotion the what it cost for everything, came out of that. And then the artists got paid after all that and then only paid a small percentage right of the actual profit yeah I mean it was it's been set up. You know, basically, if for the for the businessmen who I mean they. They went to college in the train train to do that. Think of things like that and artists, don't things like that. You know I mean there's some of us. Some of you know: figure out early song was figured out later, but it you know, those standard agreements were always like in a lopsided for the tube to benefit the record company and even in the in the M t v days I mean we had to pay for the for the making of Videos MTV, got free programming, almost all those million dollar videos or the Michael Jackson, twenty

million dollar videos he would pay for that and now and then than MTV would get it, and you know you. This is the argument that you know that it can make it a bigger record. We can make it make it a hit. You know I mean if it if it's good enough and it gets heard, but you know. Bottom line is the bands of paying, for it is coming out of their pocket and she should have at least been fifty yeah. Well, the bands are the what they're selling, if it's not for the band, there is no fucking label. There's no record company without the band don't sell shit when you sell is other people's artwork, that's it you're, not selling pots and pans and fucking coffee machines, you're selling music the music is created by the artist. The fact that it's not a five thousand and fifty split is fucking, ridiculous and even five thousand and fifty is generous. Because if it's not for the artist there is no record label, you don't sell anything and it should change if they

This is some success. It should change to benefit the artists. Exactly is going but you know its, which is representative of business greed. It's just been that way since, since, since since, since Alan lomax- God bless him for doing it for for Rick, Boarding Robert Johnson, paying him ten dollars to sing in the Qin and uh there's a guy opening. Yazoo city that will pay it sent ten dollars to sing in the can. You know I'm not telling tales out of school, but you know yeah yeah great great scene, because it's it's truly typical of what scene from from The movie o brother and my brother, where art, thou yeah and they went in and they they pretended in the guy in there was blind and they pretended that one of their there guitar player was couldn't speak. So they got an extra ten dollars 'cause. They said you know, he couldn't

well face this year. Can you can't he can't hear, or you can speak or whatever had to be able to hear to play guitar, but, couldn't speak. So he can't you know, and so the Blah think I just paid him. There was four of am, I think, paid him five thousand and fifty bucks, sing in the can. You know, but it's been like that ever since you know they've always I mean the artists have always you know there? You the starving and the time they get. You know get anything you'll be able to remember this. There was when we we don't we it inviction notice in one hand and a management agreement in the other. You think we were going to a lawyer at that point so right. Well, what do you think? Okay will's going around with this guy over this or that or whatever? And it's like that? That's just I mean the the industry is rife with that. I don't think there's an ourselves who doesn't have some kind of story like that, but you know if it's it's a lot of it has you know? Fortunately,

we can at least reap the rewards of what we were doing. I mean back in the day, like Van Gogh, Guy die penniless, it you know of syphilis in some some high burning down. You know and you know be there's nobody knew who he was or what he was. How good you, as you know, but even Nikola Tesla I mean he died broke too. He died broken apart when the government came in and took away all his papers you know all of his inventions. He die with no money at all. It's what happen when you get someone who's strictly business minded and not creative, and they deal with impulsive. Artists were very creative, but often very not business minded and they pray half of it. It's just it's pimps and hookers, and it is someone taking advantage of someone elses inadequacy's in certain areas and artists, almost universally suck with business they're almost and then, when they get really business oriented, they start socking with their art and that's

one thing that happens, a lot of artists it gets super greedy and all they care about is I'm going to put together an album, that's going to sell a fucking billion records, and it's going to I'm too late it and make it very poppy and make it perfect works. Well, you know, you know it's just babysitting money and they start thinking about how to make this thing really connect. The young kids today right and they they create some sort of a Frankenstein's monster and then the the art sucks. But well it's funny because you it that you know that Song Frankenstein, by into winner, that's actually what they did is they took. They took bits and pieces of they jammed and they took bits and pieces of a of the jam because they're all brilliant musicians and they they they cut it up and they do it. They turned it

to a an instrumental three and a half minutes, long links for a first single three minutes or whatever, and that's that would turn out to be a huge hit. I missed it now, it's a huge hit and apparently the bass player took it one step further and it went in analyze like the top ten songs for like three months and then a we've counted the beats per minute. What kit was in? How how often how quick the the court came? You don't have to the song started. How quick the you know what the lyrics about. I mean analyze like ten or fifteen different parameters. Then wrote a song based on that and it was a huge hit. I don't know which, which song it was, but it worked and I'm sure there are guys sitting around writing programs now to just do just that. You know to figure that out, you know.

Is so much of the music does sound like it. It came out of a was spit out of a computer. Well, you can tell the difference, though, from a song is written from an individual's perspective in the music, a song, that's written, that's a sort of someone's trying like sell it, you know so much is riding the pop piece they're, just creating something that they know is going to. This is going to be profitable, it's not a representative of their, thoughts of their feelings. That's why? When someone does create something that drill e has some emotion behind it like oftentimes, I want a band is really young, especially they create their best work because they're hungry and because everything is coming from like a real place and they haven't figured out how to be calculated yet right. There's no doubt I mean I, I the only thing that we use for a parameter in in I mean

been really wanted, which was good because he you know. Are we really didn't know anything about like how how we're working going here so he he had been in the business for a couple years before, but for us I mean the only thing that we that we are, we think about is how the song is going to go down with play. It live. How can we make it exciting enough, so that and like 'cause? We would always think about about us sitting in the audience. 'cause we were fans, I mean we would go to see, see the bands now and figure out what got us off about and trying to figure out? What is it is it? Is it the beat? Is it the whatever? It is

in, but it was on a much more some, some some conscious level. I mean it was all about feeling you know and it kinda help steer us towards a because I knew that there was something we could. We could do to put a different different slant on what it already been done. You know it always had that that feel, thinking about. You know the songs that we wrote and but the main thing was like getting an audience off live 'cause, that's the only place you could do Yeah I mean you didn't have any other, let you know unless you were lucky enough to get a song on the radio which was nice. You know and not Stephen always like wanted to kind of push things that way. So it it really. We made a good a good team like that, because you know what could be the anarchist in all

your foot will play in tune in. I just want to get out there and excite the audience and he's is thinking about. Well, you know the melody in the course and- and it was a group, it was a really good. It is a good hook up more get together. You know, what do you guys argue about things creatively about like kinds of songs? You guys can do it. That's what we that's. What we meet had the head, you know and and but heads and not, but that I think, is part of the creative process when you're working with the no working with five guys, you know especially to aid aid, type personalities, the you know we'll go head to head, you know, and I think that's been the value of the putting up with it all, and so anyway, that's that's the again there isn't a lot of room in there to think about the business. In what I mean- and I mean he was- he was definitely more cognizant of

like what it meant to have your name under the songs. I just looked at the name under the songs like like who really was responsible, so I could get the real one 'cause. I knew that like look at first two stones records, there were more play covers of like Willie Dixon songs are, you know, Chuck Berry and all that- and you know they were they were you know they were exploring their roots. You know they made no bones about it. You know yeah so, but again it's about is so consumed was was was trying to figure out how to make it work in on you're. Not thinking about you know. Well, how can I get another point here? How can I get another? You know another twenty five laws off of this advance and that kind of thing I mean like, like I said it's, it's kind of stacked against the artist. I really think that it real artists than wired different than businessmen,

one hundred percent hundred percent- I mean in so. What's the story with you, you got both. I mean you seem to be doing. Ok and your really creative and really like you know, but I don't think about money, I don't think about like do this for money. Do that I just think what do I want to do? You know like this. A lot of things that I've done, that I could probably should have never done. You know like the only thing I did for money was fear. Factor definitely did that for money, but I did I think it was going to work. I thought I was doing it for fun like when I first started doing I was like they're going to sick dogs on people and make a meat animal dicks. How long Is it going to be on tv like? This is just going to be like a four five episode catastrophe e that I'm going to great jokes about dinner. Up doing one hundred and forty eight episodes and then another run later is six or seven episodes. We did the second time around, like I couldn't build every day I would show up I'd like really we're still doing this all right here we go. Couldn't believe it was successful, if

those ones. I don't think anything. I've ever done was a mistake, but if there's one thing that I did I didn't enjoy that much. It was that, but it was a shit load of mine was like I could, but the good thing about having money is then I don't have to worry about money at all and everything I did like is working for the UFC and all the other different things that I've done for a comedian to be uh each fighting commentator, probably not the best idea. You know like for your career, like most people, would say, like that's a terrible thing to be connected to your connecting laughing and joking with horrible bloody violence right, but I still what I want to do. I just I I this is something I was interested in, so I I one of doing it. So that makes a lot of sense. My success has been in spite of myself yeah. Well, that's b still followed, followed your art ins and you know in the ideas and doing it I mean I can relate to that 'cause. I felt I feel the same way about that run, D. Mc thing 'cause, it wasn't anything we

and it wasn't anything that we as well. If we go down the road will do a video walls. It'll come out, and it's going to like do this. It was a black and white. It's going to do this in join together and all that wasn't anything like that. It just sounded like fun to work with this new form of of blue is really an and it just one thing led to the next an it was. It was one. It was the original mash up yeah. It was like holy man, the turn we really did something here and but that was after the fact, yeah I'd like to take credit for for thinking of it, you know and thinking of the long term effect of it. But you know it was really about. Are just the love of the of the planet and and meeting some new musicians that we're doing something new and the whole thing. So So that was the fact that it wasn't his own big is one hundred and forty shows you know on fear factor, but

it was bigger because it's actually good. It was when you guys did that, though you that music video was so important to because it was cut combined the two styles together and it was funny yeah. No, the video was funny and the song was fantastic because it was based the classic song or Classic Aerosmith song, everybody already loved, and then you add This run D Mc element to it with a different kind of music and a fucking love that song. That was a fantastic, combining- and I think it made fans of people who are in it. The fans of both genres and people were wrapped. Hands became Aerosmith fans. People who are Aerosmith fans became run dm. The fans yeah. It was interesting. I think we've got like literally literally two letters from fans. That said, what are you doing, wrecking your hard rock thing? You know what I mean an I think the guys it run DMC were they. They were kind of

they really didn't want to do. It was Rick room in the kind of set come on guys. Let's just try it 'cause they would, they would knew they were doing something new when they were having great success, doing what they were doing and now on their own. So it was kinda like Rick just said: well, let's just try it and because we didn't know, if was going to go on the album- and he just said- and he told us that- and you know again- we just looked at it like a woman. The finest in New York will have a great time, will hang out meet these guys will be fun and and then in fact believe we needed some girls, so it would look like a like a rock like a rock. You know rehearsal studio where there would be girls and Steve

had his wife, and then I have my wife in this. In the background, so you can see, even though in Billy's pregnant was with Tony ANA, how rock and roll pregnant checks engineering anyway, it was it's. You know, it's only was there and it was, but it was one of those things you just did it. We just did it for at the spur. That's why I was so awesome and it was one and it was turned out to be a good thing. You know how do companies make money now is. It seems like nobody's by. I mean not very well. We talked about it the other day that this is going to be one of the first years ever were no bands, go platinum, interesting, it's crazy, 'cause! It's like that. You look at the numbers and it's amazing appalling sounding on or whatever you wanna call crazy. Just like shift it. I mean the people to get dropped from the companies in the them. You know, let's quit the different companies that still you know that that kind of, like

you know it used to be all these. These offshoot, labels and stuff and all those are gone and and so many people that I know that that really had a had a good heart for the music for the infinite for the music and then you know been fired and the just the just isn't the they just don't. Do the kind of business they used to do I mean we really lived through an amazing age. You now to see the to see some some amazing bands you know come up an at least for rock and roll, and you know it. I really believe we're at the end of an era. You know because it's just the the the the record industry that that you know didn't arguably drive all out of the artists, especially the early days when they would give artists enough money so that, even if their first record wasn't that good like us that we had enough money? We could we could support ourselves to do another record. It was like you know. They were kind of nurturing us. You know, and there was there was a lot of that in those days 'cause they had

money to do it, and even though we ended up paying for it out of our royalties, it helped us get to Villa weather Bandon made us since the into you know what we are and those days are over. You know now, it's like bands practically have to pay to too clubs to have to work. I mean they go on. What's that that business thing that they did, I guess you, you were a sale I'll, give you a record, in a t shirt. If you send ten dollars, I mean started this. You know something like that. You know so that's the record in nine six Senate sourcing in front of our eyes. It's it's like disappearing. It's nothing's really replacing it so I mean in the in this

since that we knew it. You know what I mean. It's always there's always going to be some vehicle for the artists to get their music to the fans and that will never change. I mean the excitement of going to a live show just like going to a hockey game. That's that there's nothing that can be going to a hockey game. You know you can watch it on tv all day, living at the same rushes to five minutes watching watching the Bruins go for you know yeah, so I think that there will always be that life saying if it's gonna, I don't know if it's going to be the kind of music that we like, but it is, it's always going to be there, but as far as is our getting the music you know other than that I mean it's. It's it's getting to be more and more like a fair, because now it used to be in awe of you, even if I did like it like.

I just played on the Johnny Winter record on before before he passed away, which is a I mean it. It was a big influence on me and all that at the start, in another state, still gold button listen to his records, you know for inspiration and he asked me to plan his record and they sent the the software for the for the for the record, and I just played in the studio and he was in New York. I was in Allah and in LA and I'm and then they sent it back to them and they mixed. It sounds like I've, always in the studio with them you know, and now they don't even have to send the software they just send it over. You know over over the internet, I mean it's so it's

really just air. It's like nothing is, but it's just an idea. Almost you know that's why it's so interesting. Like this last week, a couple of people given made the final again it all people putting on foothill vinyl. I mean like a forty. Five was four songs on it, yeah or or like a whole Mmhm Vinyl, because they know that the few people that are actually going to sit down and listen would rather hear. Turn on vinyl or they're hoping they will then then like off something like this, because it just doesn't sound as good off of that don't you think that there is some sort of a blowback thing. That's going on with all sorts of aspects of our culture like were talking earlier about farmers markets like that's becoming a really popular to like buy food directly from the people that grow it. I go to this farmers market in Malibu. Sometimes yeah. It's amazing man, you go there. You meet the farmers of people that are actually growing the food is. Is it feels good her something about and then local restaurants like

we're getting tired of going to these big factory, fucking chains and people are supporting like local coffee shops and coffee growers and like there's this thing going on, like people are buying vinyl now people are they like to go live music again. It's like not ever went away, but it's like it's becoming more with understand that there's something missing in this corporate created plastic world that we've have been forced into dealing with, and then the blowback is people. One of I love about places like Seattle. Go to Seattle, it's hard to find the chain restaurant there it's hard Everything is like these individual restaurants and great it's great. I only hope and hope that it happens fast

enough. Yeah I mean because it and and in a it's going to happen. However, it's going to happen in I mean I wish you and you know like all of a sudden just sweep across the country, and it would be great, but it's going to happen as it happens, and it's one of the things I love about from one I mean yeah go up and down the street and in the days of the the people that are that are of farmers, are you know, they'll actually, barter, you know the go to the farmers market. Milk sell trade offs in with their of theirs they're growing or whatever with somebody else was growing, something else yeah and it's like. It's really benefits everybody. It's great. I love that, and it's it's exactly like what you're talking about going to the farmers market here, so it's yeah. I think I really do think that there is some sort of a push back, but until they figure out how to way to make a record like vinyl. That sound on your iphone. When can they do that? Is that ever going be possi?

Well, we keep talking about it, but you know this is Lee a new, a new arm, modeling needles. It they actually like the software models a Are they going in? They measure everything about that, like the image of the sound of this room, without any noise in it at all, because this is an ambient feeling to the room without sound at all. They start with that. They've been they've been taking apple fire and they said it and they they they measure every parameter they can and then they they put in the software, and there are some people right now that fit. I can't believe that they are actually buying it. The I haven't heard it yet there's a new one out that that the guitar players are using and there there's salient

a full test, it really works. I mean there's a there's, a hand feel good. Kinda gets in the way when you plan through one of these things, it just doesn't feel quite the same. It's almost like if you're playing clarinet, imagine like playing with little bits of cotton on each each thing you know is a this kind of a feel to it. It isn't quite there when you play as because when you play like right into it into it- and you know right and but with some that this, where in my right, now, so I don't know if you know, because the number of bits and all I because it all gets squeezed back down again, it gets it's like ninety six bits or whatever a hundred and forty, but it still gets squeezed down to see. Seeing that it's so can only I get from good runs this. You know when you're listening to it so, but as the the the capacity the storage capacity grows like this phone has a hundred and twenty so and gigs are getting bigger and bigger. Well, I think that you can store more bad,

sounding music, you know I mean there's definitely that, but you know I mean when you look at the that movies on on. Your movie on there I mean, I don't know. I don't know man, some of these, I mean still making movies on these. You know what I mean independent movies and, if you're just sitting There- and that's that's all you seeing you know it looks pretty- well, my galaxy can do 4k could do 4k, video which isn't saying I mean you. Have these the thing about like the Android phones, you can store him on cards. You can. You know in certain all different little storage cards like which can't do on an Iphone, and so you could. I conceivably make a whole movie that looks fantastic right off of a phone right. I mean no there. I know that there are is a movie of an independent movie that that's a gone, the cans that that is was made on a. I don't know if, if you know what it one or or whatever, but I know it, the

all he was made up of a cell known made off of a bunch of of I phones. So it's like it's again it comes down to your. I hear the the quality of the shot and you know because they have to adapt it because you know you're limited by the lan. On my phone. All they have additional lenses. You can add to those things now too on the case and then, and also software can replicate that too. But but I guess it's it's really again. I don't believe there are any right or wrong sounds. You know. I mean I'll pick up anything. This thing I can make. I can turn that into a rhythm machine. You know with the right with the right stuff with the right stuff in there. You know by SP get up, and you know adding some subs to it, or something like that. Jamaican news that make those incredible sounds from oil drums yeah. You know they they pound those drums down. Then Solomon, half and then

figure out a way to to beat them with, like certain types of instruments are right in the sticks. They they some incredible. They do have a form. You stick with those things. Hey you know it there. So there's there's, there's, there's no bad side. I mean, of course, this I mean like a jack hammer, you don't wanna, hear whole song. You know around the Jackie what it would be kind of cool to have a generally a dot dot dot in the middle of some. You know, for whatever reason, that's yeah. I don't think that's why, whenever I am, I mean, there's a store down in the village called music in, and it's run by these two two old hippies that used to play sitar between between at the Fillmore on there. Just it costs a dollar to get in.

You know because it amuses north into the music store because they don't want, like you know, just I mean there's a there's. One aisled goes this way and it goes around comes back out and they have stuff from all over the world here that that are just you know. If insurance you've, never seen or thought of you know, could make music and and all go out and go in and buy a box full of stuff. It looks like junk, but you take that out and you you can fiddle with it and then it can be the inspiration for song and as so again it's it's what your ear, what works for you. So you know all the kids. Now I mean I and most people haven't heard vinyl. This is gotten to the point where it it sounds really good. You know you got subs there that actually it can reproduce more sound. Then then you could get off of work off of a Finally, remember we used to have to put the penny on some of the

wish records, because the bottom in would be so strong. It would make the needle skips. So you had to put a penny on when you put on like a member or missile Lincoln PA, the bandana yeah they had they. They one of the first bands use synthesizer and he would get the freaking He down so low that your average Ariel wasn't able to handle it so and they've the crank that they would the nail that that sucker and it sounded great. We all waited for that one part, because the sinful go solo, but very often if, if the thing was turned up loud enough need would jump. So you have to put a dime on on the on the we have the for the quarter was too slow. Well, it would do, would wear record pretty you know, and and then that would I mean you didn't do it too often you know, but everybody would wait for that. One sound because it was new and nobody heard that before it's a great idea, the charge

dollar to get into, because it's kind of symbolic, because it's not a lot of money yeah. But it's enough money that people really like if they're just walking by like black yeah, I'm not paying a dollar going, such as to our tiny place, yeah, it's just slick twice as big as this really tiny know, Quentin Tarantino is pushing back on Digital. Like he thinks that every should be still shot in film, because I think there's a quality to film to a movie that you're missing when you're, shooting everything in four k and h d at all is jazz. Since it has. It has something to do with depth of field in nineteen and the thing yeah again there are there are. There are working on that? What's the software you know and because in early again of the

as the the instruments get better in the the the gigs get more gigs and all at this is more room for the software to work. So you know but, but I I just believe it you know like when, when I look at a movie that I know was done on film on, you know like the hive: high quality cameras, there's just something about it. When you look back at it, it looks. This is a Arnold. Is a warm so it you know that that you don't get from MA, I mean sometimes, if you ever watched a like a like an hd movie on on a certain tv, and it almost feels to to good yeah, you know it the it they didn't they didn't. I mean it wasn't like one of those crossover films where they they they wanted to jump in the h d too, quick or something, and they didn't didn't take into account of that. It's going to be played on these tv's are going to show the lax

lack of the depth of field, but it feels like there's something wrong when you watch it, you know I mean everything is to clear and it takes away from it. I can think of a couple of movies that will like that, but you know obviously cleaned it up, and I don't see too many samples that anymore, but a couple years ago. I noticed that on you know my wife and I do watch in a tv, a new tv in a in a hotel, and it would it would- and it just look right right now, and you know that it was shot it might. Shot in. In I mean in hd, and- and I don't know mixed in with was I don't know, I think a lot of it is actually really definition, televisions watching old films, that's probably like Blu Ray. If you get a video on Blu Ray that wasn't shot on Blu Ray like Alien, since two was a perfect example- that James Cameron version of Alien, the second movie

there's a scene when there in this hanger and there's a spy shit behind them, and it's painted spaceships painted an it, looks like utter dog shit, ugly saw in the movie theater. It was in film, so it was even though it was real this I'm sure in real life, the way it looked, the grainy aspect of it in film in a regular standard definition movie, it look great no problem at all, but once they transferred it to Blu Ray. You look at me like what I see him he's a stupid. Looking so many so many news casters, you know, men and women have lost their jobs when HD came out because it did. You know the wrinkles, all of a sudden, every spot yeah. What actresses two actors- and I was on news. Radio we'd shot everything in film on a sitcom, but they started doing it though,

that around that era, like in news radio started in ninety four. I think ninety five and in that era was and things start shifting over to tape and they a process where they would take a film or take tape, digital tape and convert it to like a film look right it shittier, looking essentially to make it look more like film, because when you looked at things through digital It was just unforgiving and it showed everything like instead of like, if I'm filming you I'm focusing on you and the background is kind of blurry. But I see your face, but Digital just captures everything in front of you, so you have to sort of like fuck with it after the fact to make it. Like film, because otherwise, like those fake two dimensional back drops that they use for artificial cities like if you go to 20th century fox and you walk down the lot. You see those they look like shit in real life like how is anybody fucking think this is a really a city, but in film you're only focusing on

actress, face in the the backroads almost inconsequential right, you can get away with it. Let's they were kind of doing that, but if you saw it before they converted, look like total dog right and that in a live there constantly I mean every month it gets better yeah and better, and the same thing I mean with with music is same thing: they're they're still in there, and there are plugins. That will replicate tape even and then there's this other thing that I don't know how It's going to last 'cause, it's kind of a pain in the ass to use, but it actually goes from. The signal actually goes from the MIKE phone, which is used to sing in our play in whatever, but it goes for the microphone right into it. A tape machine that, like an old fashioned, twenty four track tape, machine this run thing and then it goes from there into the computer. So it's almost like the tape is being used as a piece of outboard gear.

Like a like a fuzz tone or an echo machine, or something like that. But it's going through tape before it hits that so so that warms it up automatically in a way that it's it's really hard to duplicate. You know with software, so that's something that has been around for a couple of years: they've perfected. It we've recorded our last record using it I don't know if it at if it made it better or worse, but and I don't know how much longer it will be around 'cause. It is kind of a pain 'cause. You gotta, keep rewinding the tape. You know every time we do a take, and that kind of thing, so I don't know their constant. I mean people aware of it in that constantly trying to up read it, but I don't know somehow. Every time I listen to vinyl there's something about the sound that I still like. It's compelling right, there's something there's something: Organe

about it. That seems to be what it is like. The the expression warm seems to be like that in the term warm it's like it's a living thing. It's like alive, whereas digitals cold Digital is like uncaring, its numbers, it's ones and zeros compressed, and exactly and that's it. That's like simple as that, and now your store culture right, we'll get this of the blow back against the sort of like harsh Digital environment that we're living in. This is slow descent into this fuck computer world that were eventually going to find ourselves living in and they don't- chips in our brain. I know it's a it's kind of funny when he had somebody cash you know when you go in to buy something and it's like what is it? What do I do with this? You know it's like, especially if it's over five dollars these are me a place that I have to eat at in the valley called chicks.

There was a chicken place that have been around for, like twenty plus years old school is fuck. This guy invented his own rotisseries. He had like an oven that was a wood fired, oven and the guy who work there on to constantly throw wood into this oven, and it was big like copper. On the I told you to check before right and fucking great right. How good was that place? They went under, they went under 'cause. The dude would not accept credit cards really never accepted credit cards want to cash. Only and people would go there and they would get pissed. They would have credit card out. They would have an order, it would say sorry and there's a sign right over the register cash only I have a credit card and it would drive like sorry. We only accept and they get mad at him and shit and storm out of there. Really they didn't want people to some people that just want to just walk around with credit card and nothing else, and this guy was like yeah fuck credit cards. I want cat and so for whatever reason it slowly started, killing his business, the guy refused to adapt. He was old school

buck and eventually wonder now. It's us Starbucks Jesus, unbelievable, that's a drag 'cause! It's like you know, I mean that's an art. To cast to cook chicken really well. You know you know it's like. It is a true art and to see that go down. That's really a drag You cooked everything. There really good. It wasn't just chicken, they had fantastic sandwiches. They had the best pastrami and it was a mexican place they had pastrami Mexicans owned. It was amazing. This place is just fucking phantom. Second day Dave for whatever reason they just refused give in and they eventually closed the doors. It's a drag yeah. I know I mean I've gone to restaurants in Olson, because I'm always looking for barbecue places in a moment. You know what, and in our travels in an old there, is there a lot of plays They just do cash. My guys can be. It can be annoying. Sometimes when you don't, when you have,

any cash on you and you just find out when you walk in the door. You know so I can see, but you know if your business is think that you got to like get the word out there. So people come prepared, you know, have you ever been in, doctor Hugley Wagley's in Van Nuys. Now, oh, I got a spot for you, Joe Perry. It might be the best fucking barbeque in the country, but it's in Van Nuys. Well, you've got a tall order there pal and you I'm telling you I've been to a lot of spots. I've been in some fantastic spot, North Carolina, I've been to some awesome joints in Texas and in Georgia, this fucking spot in Van as California might be the best joint in the country. Really, it seems ridiculous, neighborhood all right down the street from that thirty, a strip clubs in the valley. But if you go down Sapulpa and you you've, you find this place. Dr hardly walk. Please Tyler, Texas,

acute in Van Nuys, really is sensational. They have the best brisket of every in my life. It's anyone else in your mouth, then this in Britain into brisket. Now I've been kind of those incidents of baby backs for awhile and then kind of going from back and forth. But but brisket is now my hero. If you like, rescue you You must go to this place. They have it's old school. They have fucking that shitty fake wood on the walls. What's that called you know the wood paneling that you see in people's basements in the molesting kids Well, you seen all those american apparel ads. You know is that shit it's on the wall, it they should have just fucking Barewalls, who gives a shit right the wall, the decoration that's almost indicative, oh, is that photos of it and then this video of it. So this is a video of Hugley Wagley's. I am telling you this fucking portions are incredible their huge portions

always get the brisket hot links and pork rib. That's what I get spare ribs ridiculously good ridiculously! I'm not! I have no affiliation with these people. I don't go there. Time. I don't know anybody who owns it, I'm not trying to make any money here. I'm telling you I fuck You know every now shouldn't be telling people about it, because it's going to be a God damn line all these hipsters are going to find out about this spot and sway Van Nuys. Just just don't keep keep drumming on the neighborhood out how funky yeah telephone cues far it's it's very funky, it's one of the places where you park your car in the lagoon, Kern hope, but still here when I get back home yeah, they used to be a place like that Boston, a room we used to go at four in the morning. You know on the same thing in, but they used to do our. Ham, hocks, and it revealed that was great in our hard to find a good ham, hocks yeah

split pea soup with ham hocks hard to find a good spot, how to do that in the shetlands and most thing men and we used to go down there. I mean it was, but you know everybody made a straight line there and got le the loan was fine yeah. You know and they're good neighborhood place well the place in Austin Texas, that has famous for its weight. It's got like a hour and a half wait like everywhere. You go every time you go there like in the morning when they are opening up for lunch. There's a fucking line of people already waiting to get in there, because Austin TX is one of those places where people find out about a spot and it becomes like the place to wait in line like? I went there a couple weeks ago, and there was this line for this hamburger place, I'm like it's a fucking, hamburger place. How good could it be but there's an hour and a half wait, a line like what you do in your hamburgers and less you put cocaine on your hamburgers understand this line doesn't make any sense, but there's a huge lime for this. You know

so the only winner spot handcrafts it is, if you can see the cows in the back. You know what I mean and he's that then you know what it where it's coming from. I don't know how it could be much better than in and out and now you just get in the car and you go through the drive through and it's pretty much fucking perfect, my favorite place in la lowest weight. I've ever with three hours boil it's called boiling crab and it's actually it's where they take crab and they put sausage in it and then like corn and butter and garlic, and they just give it to you in this huge bag and they have crawfish lobster whatever you want. But everything comes in big bags and it's three hour wait. That's the lowest! I've never been I've had it up to five hours before come yeah, you literally sign up and they like four hours and then you just leave and you come back like three one slash two hours. Late and hopefully they will call your name Zane, do most people actually

yeah it it's it's. It's just groups of people hate like all sitting in a parking lot outside it's weird, but there's there's generic rip off places now because they've so many people come. You know, love that place and now there's like boiling shrimp, which is the exact copy of it, and it's there's no wait. Where is this place? Alot Hombro and it is in there is one and ' yeah, town and there's one in Texas, there's a bunch of these and they're all our our weights. 'cause. You only know about this. That sounds great, except for the weight. You know yeah. Well, it's nice when someone figures out something good. You know like the things that you're seeing now at lax, lax, used to just like chili's and like Burger king is whole chains, But now they have all these like cool restaurants. They have like really good restaurants in a lot of the terminals. Now they finally figured out like Jesus

we have people coming in here every day, guaranteed packed every day and you get all these shitty chain, restaurants, but they've. Finally, again the same sort of thing is blowback, where there people, would saying you know enough. Already, let's put in a good restaurant, see what happens. It takes off like wildfire and he sees big law signs these nice restaurants at lax, yeah people. You could see people going there. To take off and I want to just go there to eat, but you would have to go through security and also it's only other side, yeah. Ok, you would have to like buy a ticket, but that's really smart. We imagine if you buy a ticket for like SW, where it's not that so just so you can I'd like to go through. I like to go through security as soon as I get there get it over with. You know what I mean so it's good it's on the other side, yeah. They don't have anything on the inside that you can't buy anything right at lax,

Many area Starbucks at the the the baggage claim place, but that's basically it yeah Boston has a bunch of those at Logan. There's a few places you can eat before you go through security yeah, but I don't think they have any of that out. In la the restaurant, that's actually outside right. Whatever that spaceship. Looking thing, you looks like so you know what is probably painting nobody's ever eaten in the CIA operations just to get the fucking really where you going man, you never know you never know. Listen. Joe Perry were based basically out of time, you're fucking, awesome man. Really so cool to have me on the out of it. This is great to me sure and be on the show, and you know like I said it was more of more importance of so hook up with you, then, but it was great to be on a podcast with you do a great job. Thank you, brother. I appreciate very much fans and honor the true honor, and then I got a in my most my boys,

turn me on to a while ago, and it was great. Thank you, sir. Let's do it again, sometime yeah tell me when you're back in town again, I gotta come see. You guys live when he was performing live. Well, we just finished being on the road for awhile, so we're going to probably go out again next year and I was going to be awhile so sometime in two thousand and fifteen will come back on next time before you going to do it and we'll we'll set something up very beautiful. Thank you, Sir Joe Perry, ladies and gentlemen, Joe Perry on Twitter He doesn't need you to pay attention to go, fucking check it go Facebook, God, damn it. Let's, let's bump that bitch up to number one! Last time I saw it was number four: what's the name of the book again is called Brooks my life in and out of Aerosmith Joe Perry ways. Gentleman enough said: goodnight see you soon. Thank you, everybody for tuning into the podcast

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