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experience, o k, we're live Remy WAR and how are you fella pretty get has occurred on a watch. You show last night Oda Jaeger, and I am I watched it again today. The shows called apex predator, it's on Thursday nights on sportsmen Channel, eight p m and the impetus is show that last time he came in with Dan Dodi. We kind of talked about it off the record I would like in the wind, there was not really have a network for yet we filmed like the pilot episode and now it's it's a real deal now then how do you actually on tat? We ass a real show, has coolants divide that half of it is you planted out you work and actually comes together and you have a real television show it's pretty exciting, so I've been having pretty pumped about it. This is something that I've been thinking about for years and then you know we came. It was quite a while Europe

over a year ago, you're something like it, I'm here and now it's finally come to fruition and people can look at what I ve been talking about the last tough. It takes a long time to make something fucking happen. Man is this hurry up and wait game? buddy, my body was in the army and he's like a war is just hurry up and wait. Like that's television, more very open way, while it's a jaded individual took command get to kill and folks the show is what you're doing on the show. Is your essentially emulating a lot of tactics that various predator, use and you using these tactics to get close and figure out how to hunt animals The one I saw last night was the Buffalo want us where you put a coyote outfit on, crawling up to these buffalo and it's kind of fascinating that they,

don't run necessarily from coyoats or wolves they're, just sort of walk towards them. Time? The Kyoto? The walls would actually attack them they were running that that's when they were moving on them. You exactly because it the way, The way wolves hunt is they have to get the animals running first thing tomorrow. Night episode really see that when we look at the way Wolf son, But the reason that the Wolf has to get the Buffalo running is the wash essentially classed by the bison, So much large yourself, the bisons say we're gonna stand here and fight, then it can kill the wolf in its it's. The car benefit analysis for the wolf to attack that bison standing. There isn't great enough. The wolves will actually get around the basin and try to instigate him to run as if the though, by make the mistake of running. Then they can hunters pack, they can wear down once they get moving and then they attack from the back in their safer

and their more successful so the bison know this if they run or they're gonna be in trouble, but when human hundred comes along using perimeter, weapons or whatever the human hundred means that animal standstill in order to kill so in the basin sees a human. It runs because that's how it it stays safe so The point of this show is really dissecting away. Nature does things and you look like every animal, so specialised. Does something really well and everything into a certain niche and as a human looking nature we look at and go. What can we learn like humans? are an amazing species in what I've come to realise as we do, I did a lot of techniques and tactics that a certain animal specialised, or does really well and use it for ourselves to become this, this essential top predator. So, looking at this the planes Indians, we looked at it a George

when painting, were spread affairs painting there's delicacy when using a painting Jamie, it's really famous banning it's really cool Colorado, yellow two planes, Indians sneaking up on it bison, underneath these white Wolf skins and I'd seen that I've always thought those awesome picture. How dispels named John Scotland see I T Lion Andrea. Yes, so he paints a picture of what supposedly what he saw. But you never really if this is the largest rapes, As from the eighteen hundreds yeah, I mean this pretty old photo painting? It was kind of a gamble, whether not just out of bullshit side of what he was going to filling out west in painting what he saw or heard you see, and so I voice. I wonder if that's really true, but when you dissected obviously does this in indian sitting around saw that huh Water there does bison, aren't running well,

throw similar skins on her back and see what happens in it is attacking like, through the showy devout fight that now that's it top left corner. There knows, as Pulitzer up why it's crazy that they really did that they must have. I mean if it makes perfect sense if you're sitting there in sea, the coroner between the wars in the basin, and you come to its logical conclusion that if we act like a wolf, the bicycle stay there and rice and there were backed out two million God and its on that episode, Steve. You know he's device and expert yeah and just how many bison, where that use tie me that these define the bison by giant clouds from their breath it may like huge clouds. Why that's? What Stephen timely wow millions, millions, bison boat

No there's a guy named Dan Flores, that's a good friend of Steve's as well, and he is a real, buys and expertise written a very controversial paper. What have to the bison he's saying is he compares beyond applaud, guess soon, Susie's done with his book, hopefully by some time in the summer, and what his, what his paper is. Basically saying is that they were the planes Indians once they had figured out how to ride horses and shoot from horses We are already on the way to wiping out the Buffalo and the reason why the Buffalo were in such high numbers was because that so many people, so many native Americans had died from smallpox and if you go back before the smallpox up They make the people that arrived in North America. Like the Dutch, when they had made an accounting of all the different animals, they talked about Turkey and and Elk and bear

no mention whatsoever of Buffalo and were visiting all these same areas that two hundred years later had millions of Buffalo, but during that two hundred years ninety percent of the native Americans had been wiped out by smallpox, and that means they were apparently like. Probably the number one predator of these bison I am probably only really shitty job of explaining this makes sense. I mean they do things like, like the Buffalo jumps, where just driving herds of vice and off a cliff cliffs. Apparently the wolves with feet and legs are just be. Did I mean you couldn't take all that me? then, if you got a small village year, taking what you can use their be dead, bison everywhere and the wolves would coming gorge on him. I guess there's an account where there is war so for food they just lying there. In excess just while gorged, and they were just hang around next to the native Americans. Well, where the Buffalo jumped yeah,

yet their native Americans were down there too, with the wolves known, I think I don't know if they would move on in a certain point. The meets gonna go bad it just keep eating and eating and eating FARC, apparently all skin making gorge. I guess Hungary, like a wolf, that's really hungry the Random railways advocate Billy. I read something like twenty twenty five pounds in a sitting in they can process that meet in two hours. So those who see nights in east timor- five pounds of meat processing. Imagine you a twenty five pound turkey argument supermarkets picture, but twenty five Tom Turkey and you ate yourself and there's never been a while. Bigger than a human being right of the biggest wolf ever is pilot to underpass right, so we're talking about a hundred fifty pound, Wolf, we're just As of a normal, man can eat twenty five fucking pounds of and go through it, and

two hours, that's insane crazy, that's insane competitive eating and its finest Their bite power is also freaky. I didn't know Ricky your vase told me- and I was like this guy's got it wrong. He said that a wolf has a bite. That's five times more powerful than a pitiful and my cargo thou be true. It's true. I can't fucking believe it. But it's true I mean they're, not that you look like people's always muscles. Ads and are known for their bite, nothing compared wolf. Wolf can go right through an auction bone, crazy fuck, that's that's one of the inspiring wolves are actually the inspiration for meat, even think of the show, I just I'm pretty fascinated by wars, but one day I was out hunting elk in kind of in Montana, and I

this one born is the first time I ever saw wharf in the wild and browse really close to us, because before you really saw a lot of wars and then I do it's actually go little, video of it and then I go and do my hunt and then the wolf happened beat chasing he's sick hunting same group of Elk and was a lone wolf yahoos by itself, and I was actually telling I did Steve's Podcast Steve Renewal of the other day in telling him the similar to the same story and at every I've seen four times I've seen wolves take down and milk and wild. They ve all been by himself why I've never seen a pack attack. I've only seen loan rules is gonna, be a man

using watch. Tat goes so it's cool. I mean they're, so fat. You see like, though you see the elk running, and it's almost like the wolf is it can like it could almost run between his legs. Back, it's going back and forth the August be lining in that war. Is enforcing does much faster much faster. So how do they take it out? They by its back legs, grab him string, bidest back like any working sink its teeth and mostly go further and do they try to take it down on one shot or to try to wound it and then eventually get it. I think it's whatever they can grab and half the time and in the it, I've? Seen him be the most successful as they run the elk into dead, for because the walking or under and over the logs up and down back and forth in the elk struggles that use all its energy kind of gets wrapped, while so the wolves can a funnel them into areas where they know there be more sensible, like it seems like I've. Always

catch em on the downhill like running down a canyon in the bottom of a canyon seems to be where I think about it. You like in the bottom of a can, There's lots along things down. That's gotta, be an amazing thing to see happen live because it so rare dear able to be there. I mean you might see a wolf you might see now, but the sea, a Wolf Killin Elk to be at that. When were you did Matt of you? Were there not? That was going go down and they are nature. Exactly we were. I was blood, trailing my my friends wife's. She showed his ball with a bow, last year and we're sitting there trying to find this health- and here comes as cow running, with a wolf hot on its tail and obsolete sweet logic go down and my body like else that you didn't know what I mean is right in our face is like right: there just kind of yells and spooks there were often is required to do he just eat at noon is like I don't like now, you just gonna kick up, hunt more would have been called the police.

Would have seen it right. We were seventy five yards, It was right there open like in this burn. It was amazing, got there edible. I have so mixed feelings on wolves. One thing one part of me: thanks Amazing I love and fastening, but pardon me like this. Reintroduction of them into the United States is just I just don't think it really planned out very well in their numbers are staggering. Now, oh yeah, it's well talk about the american model, conservation, there's checks and balances and goes with game animals and non game? So when you re in decent animal into an area that it hasn't? Maybe never been that area. Word spin, so long that has been in there. They have to be managed as well. Otherwise, the whole ecosystem comes out of balance. Why bosses video about the Yellowstone by wolves in you

Stone was talking about the impact that walls of having Yellowstone all these other animals, adders thriving because the introduction of the wolves and its kind interesting, it's kind of interesting, but though the Rio, of those animals is their predators. You not talking about any other kind of animal. You talk about a predator, it's like if you have a large amount of elk in an area. A large amount of dear me this to comply We different animal than having a large amount of wolves and when your managing these types of animals, emotions rather than objective logic. That's when things get weird, because you go lotta people their version of conservation never would include hunting a wolf. But if you get through and thousands of wolves in a state. I you you have to hunt them because then they start attacking livestock. Where I was up in pc where I shot that moves There was the guy that I hunted with his

Neighbor had a cow had taken out by war in the middle of the winter I cold and there was not not much for them to eat. They said fuck, it was just do this. They took out a cow going out here in your house. In your hearing, you lookin out, there's twi walls is ripping apart when your cows, like fuck man, you don't say you're out what an easy meal is too. I think it's hard for them to go back to chasing moose. Yeah Will they have no limit on the amount of wolves? You can shoot up there. You can chew dismays you want, I dont think they can ever hurt the population, but so stance when you go up, Where is everybody who lives in a city owe it to yourself at some point your life to go out into actual real wilderness, because there these people that have these opinions on animals that are completely based on some Narnia, like idea of what natures like like they ve, never,

so I've been out there elegant real wilderness like days in packing. Go days and where you go, oh god, damn like I just I didn't get it. I didn't, I didn't know you're not out there. I think the other other assumption is people think that the real wild is what they would see in a national park, its zoo version While this, when you go out into a place like He owes me see outside of any kind of park like that two completely different world, and You don't see as many animals it's tough life out there, even I'm not that the boundary of the park makes it more animals, but it set up those animals or a climate ties. The scene humans they dont have their say natural senses. So if you go out your place, that they aren't climate

I've seen humans, it's a tough, go, it's it's not as easy as people think was not only not easy. There's a weird silence to it out there, like there's an eerie indifference that you get One of the things that we are. We went to a prince of Wales, Stephen overtook us, hunting dear dear, which we struck out but its is an amazingly remote place. Like you dance You know you didn't see a single falcon person other than ass, the entire time we're there and you just it, doesn't give a fuck about you Few fall and break your leg and die there. So what just our part of this whole thing. We're everything's gonna go Bears there others dear there, there's all sorts of interesting wildlife, but it doesn't give a fuck about you is, I think people I understand that a real like in it what we really

rationalized are really like got it into your brain. This is reality and until you actually go into the woods then with a real woods, not Yellowstone, not central park, the real woods or a different. It is an that's when you can understand. If use even I have encountered walls in the wilds of seeing what they ve done. We talked about last Pike S. I took some photos of his moose calf that we come pond that had been killed. Probably the night before was connection but I have encountered them in real life, but the people that I know that have overcome leader for an opinion and the people that live in cities that think that you'd have to be an asshole to shoot a wolf, yeah well yarn around it. It's so far removed I mean you can only almost can make an accurate. Assumption what it's like. You know. You also chemic inaccurate assumption that you'd have to be a person that hates animals to shoot the Wolf. That's that's the men

Judgment aspect of of wild life, especially when it comes to predators. Is lost on a lot of people and it's one of the reasons why California doesn't have mountain line seasons, but like Mount line, attacks in California steadily gone up now, lines sightings think it's we gone up and the kind of play with fire because there's like there's a lot of them here now they don't get hunted You know that's what I wonder: what what the futures gonna look like in a place in the long future because MT lions. If you look at african cats there a very dangerous but mount? Lions are a shire version of the species and I think it's because they ve there in the predatory realm they weren't, always they weren't at the top. There is in California, California, there used to be Grizzly bears or some sort of species of brown Coastal Grizzly Bear, and then humans, hunting and

so you had Mount lions that had to be afraid of things now there in a world where they dont have any predators and nothing's chasing them. At what point I mean? Maybe it's a hundred years down there. I mean it's a thousand years down the road. At what point do they essentially become in different temperament of cat me similar to the ones in Africa where they have to or South America, South America yeah or they don't have predators. That's a good point. You gotta keep. Those bet. You scared this family that we went to their farm to hunt Turkey's two weeks ago and done lost all their sheep. Every single one of em in northern California olive growing, allows all of them to mount lines. They have so many cats up there. They see them like in the day. Just hang out like FARC We have an accurate account of how many they have. No, it's pretty rare to see him when he, if you start singing outline in the daytime than there's a lot of outlets or huge,

super luckier, I saw one in Manas Pseudo, which is like a writ. Suburb of Santa Barbara, I was driving down, like a residential road, and I saw this thing pots and farther road. I thought I was a child at first sides, tale of woe that's a fuckin mountain line and in this, like suburban neighbourhood, just like a regular restaurant to get a state or a good dollars, a good dog that catch slip, and I think I got. I must replace Montana. I think I have some kind of strange mountain line breeding programme going on because ever here at the same time, You just lie in tracks all near the cab and all over the place that started to write. When I hear the Europe first came here and talk to you, it has been continuing and I dont know what it is but front of mind. Sir chasing lions around there, he said you'd be surprised how many cats living in this area than six or seven within a few miles

or too crazy to hone ranch, which is about an hour plus from here is a great huntings body of pigs and area Rocky Mountain L. They have one trail camera on this pond and they found Sixteen different mountain lines: Ass trail camera. That's pretty crazy! it's a huge ranch. The biggest ranch in California is two hundred and seventy thousand acres and they have just a large supply wild pigs. Wild pigs are all over the place. It's going to bread and butter for their everything program, yeah yeah, when we were, We saw it William last summer, when I went, I grill recently we're bow hunting. We saw fifty bags and we see a lot of the time before that were seen. Hundreds of them does hundreds of pigs all over the place, the unit getting one first time. Yes, second time now, ethical bargaining or not pretty good yeah, it's delicious,

it's very different, very different. Then I got wild turkey and surprise and how much it tastes like Turkey, especially the breast ass good, but its Turkey's turkey, but YE wild Pork- and this is gonna work or different thing going on, depends on the pig lit the pig you get, because if you buy pork, if you shoot a bore, it takes a lot. Within a souring like pregnant. Sound may be right, but I in New Zealand we get quite a few pigs and discuss- showed me this tactic

where were you skinny? You get your knife sharp and make your initial cuts many dulls the chip on me on the concrete and so many scene it because when it is he'll skin in the skin, closer to that essentially closer to the skin and keep all the fat on the pork which, normally, if you just kind of skin it off, take the hide off all the fats removed. But he said, if you leave that fat on it gives it a lot more flavour. Different flavour has really good. I did, it knows, is pretty exception. What's the difference in the flavor Did you describe it? It's more like regular Porco say: do you know Joe Sultanas, so kind of a famous for Mars get some real, unique ideas about farming and he was a guess on podcast well and what he does is here let's his pigs kind of run wild. He said so. A large electric fence. Anymore that Electric France all over the place. So these pigs, the way they ie is they route. They eat,

he corns and they eat they eat like a normal pig, would there's plenty of food in the forest, but they keep them intact. In a certain area where that with his portable electric fence, so they just moving defence, so the pigs will, you know, root out this area in a forage and this one area and then, though, kind of move them to another spot and the lead them forward in that area, and so these pigs have a dark. Meet like a wild boar is get its good its. It isn't like domestic report, but I I almost prefer it. We if you try, if next time you get when trade elite cook of old, with the skin on Askin really with a skin, aren't we just use burn the start. Big firing is more unjust. Shaving hair off via and then cook with the skin on all bone it out. First and you can stuff stuff, the ham with, I don't know some kind of stuffing whatever you want really and put it in the oven roast in the oven, you don't eat. The skin are seeing people do that with domestic peg socio. Do those those big hole, pig,

So yeah. Colleagues, let us we re doing that for bodies Bachelor Party but leading the fire, enough, Sir, all your camping by this lake and I brought this big pig and a more excited about it- gets out now we all have raw peg, so he fired at the girls in and made the best out of the situation, but everything's clothes everything to smell, like pork, aft, was it a while Pegre was enables accidents any figure. I wish you would have been a wild dig you. While you have to worry less about trick analysis right with the domestic pigs are actually lowering the temperature. The good cook domestic pig now that the recommendation they ve gotta down, aren't forty degrees, see I've. I've heard that the trick noses comes from them eating rodents, so technically they could get. I mean there could be mice as they would eat feed mice and getting with

green and everything I can still get strychnos US government. I wouldn't quote me on that, but I didn't have a definite heard that alot live watch, my chickens, I've, domestic chickens and I've watched them eat of miles away. They found a mouse in the chicken house they fucked up, Man was wild, just cause, usually register, but villages. Pack in they'll. You know they get real happy if they find a snail like that, but they found that mouse and they just stop that little fucker went to town They went to town, they were fighting over there, but there are alternative part. He see their raptor past no. He said for funding the dinosaurs because on apex- yes, I I wanted to look at me, I'm just fascinated by birds in the way they waited movement, especially predatory birds, lot of we'll think of birds is seed eating bird bath animals, most birds of mediators, Well, there's a lot of smaller species But there are a lot of carnivorous birds

and the way they hunt like the great blue hair, and we didn't episode that will become an up your shortly. The things got a spear tat to attend what other local, what other animal you can there's videos of great. Coherence, spearing these gophers, loan? Believe I wanna see somebody get old poet, Polarity Jamie. There were sphere. Their face about pelicans pelican. A super duper s net, thereby have a built in net yeah man. I rented a house in now Malibu for a few months and want us getting some fixed in my kitchen and the house like right on the water. It was really fuckin cool Zodiac breakfast. Every morning, I essentially like you'd, look out from the kitchen table and just nothin but water and that watch these people can dive in in unwatched swarms of birds when they find in a fish. Feeding

it's a while to be around them little blue hair on spears, a gopher, so what is it just Chillun wait for deposits het up visit? Oh there's like that's! It just walked over that catch. Anything they speared it at raising the stab at Madame whether it is your face is another one year a weapon built in your face, catching spears that the bigger fischler spear other ones they grab, but these gophers. They definitely If we go for it, I saw an eagle for the first time. I guess it was two years ago now in Alaska went up their salmon fishing I never seen needle in the wild, see needles core, but when you see one of the wild starting on this issue, This is not what I think it is area this. This is like some killer, some flying killer. Has Jean Luc

really has knives and its fingers floating around. Look. Less snatch and just fuck up coal I am just check back over like there's you birds, while kitchen gophers dinosaurs, they look like it their critical, yet birds, a fascinating man. Have you ever seen the videos of the Harpy Eagles in South America area near who Harpy those killing, monkeys and slots flying off for these laws. There apparently the biggest eagle right, the hard being like listening biggest where well, I'm not sure I believe they are. I think so either way there fucking enormous, and so they did. They said nature Doc many of these guys were setting up a camera on the Harpy Eagles nest, and they had a chance here. Goes want look at this, Poor slaughter. He lit a shit

Thank you, ellipses life in slow motion, get ripped out of a tree waning and put on that GEO. Oh God, scarcely worth shit deal. It is to be a Slav as crazy. It's amazing that they can fly with an animal that size to ease to look out swoops in pitch. Now it's really cheating. You know. I was like As I honey a cow and a pen, the critical it is really cool, but it's it's that's an eagle mean that's what we think of when we think of a bird of prey. He added the quintessential bird of prey doing this apex predator show a ghetto.

Get up close and personal with lot animals that I just think pretty bad ass sure did one was a golden Eagle episode and went with this lady gesture and like three Billiton Centre, Raptor, the Rockies and she's got all kinds: crazy, raptors and there's some a golden eagle and a ball legal and the same enclosure area. We gotta take the Golden Eagle out in check it out The golden eel is an impressive I'm. It's quite a bit bigger than the body is enormous, poorer in their native to Colorado in the raw out miasm they're, probably the most widely distributed eagle in North America and all the way through Mexico. There an era, a crazy. Yeah. I've seen some videos of them killing wolves when only as the Mongolia, the mongolian guys bizarre. They ve train these eagles to hunt wolves words pretty crazy Yet it is an enormous bird in its really crazy to think that, at one point

but they were even larger. They had much much larger birds of prey in North Amerika. Look at a pace on that thing. Ambrose Eyeballs, apparently that's what studying their eyesight and they can spot medium sized pray from up the two miles away. Two miles is not, and I mean that's it, one of the things it just so much fascinates me about animals, especially is they have capabilities that is almost hard with all our technology to even replicate if you really think about it, there's a lot of weird stuff on this planet dolphin using sonar and eagles being able to see two miles away, or I M just a lot of crazy things in nature that is taken as years here's to replicate some kind of machine or contraption, where we can even compared to an end. Cases, we have an income close like the smell that a bloodhound can pick exactly smelling things that have been their ages.

We don't have. Any idea is like we don't, have any idea how to make a piece of equipment that can smell cycling in it in the distance. The way dog can when dogs are. Let me I would just love to wonder I would love to experience. What are the ex? Would it what's going on inside their nose when they, when they catch assent What is that? What are they catch us? Nowhere? Bird walked. It's crazy. There. They say that the comparison is with skunk spray because with skunk spray, a person can pick up parts per million in a way that you can't with any other spray with any smell rather like when you driving illustrate that this is area near my house and as I'm dry having on my way home. I smell sconces one spot all the time and they probably, walk away from me right, but I smell them so cool.

Like a roll down the window like you could slow there right there needs like every year ago, probably could be or could be there while there definitely not right there. They're probably has locked away from me, there's nothing else that I could think of that small, that you could smell blocks away ass, crazy. They say that, that's kind of like a dog but way better, They they know where it is down, just go fuck. What is that they go? It's over there, it's over their dude likening, it's illegal, make, make em smell, dude socks, and then I don't know he's over there and they can change ass down. Just like you could smell skunk. They could smell a person like that's fucking, crazy, so ethics have you been opening it not yet one of the things I always tell people is especially the embryo cunning most the elk that we end up, killing a tribute to civilian, first and people that job

alchemy would never pick up on it, but I'm hunting with my nose almost as much as I'm using any other tactic, real, oh yeah, and all I always keep later in my pocket and as soon as I pick up the scent flip the later on and see which way the winds going because you'll catch it. But if the wind blows first split second or swirls you smell in you can get right in and like I can distinguish the difference between the smell of and Elk and where no expense, you can actually smell it in Elks urinate right here, where there's a wallow and there's a difference smell between that and the smell of an animal salt of my clients, I'll say I smell. Inadequate physical animal be ready. It's it's within x, amount of disk. And just through practice, you can, you can decide for those things. What is is there a way to describe? It was a small sewed ice smells are the hardest thing.

Client, described by an annex knows a lot like a beef cattle, but there's a different, a different note to it: and the smell of on say a boar alive animal, its is a weird. It almost smells hot. I dont know how to no, but you can. You can smell the difference its stronger and it just smells different huh. Yeah, I don't I don't know like it. The very end of the sent you can. You can pick it up as their smell very based on whether or not there in the rot yeah does well. The intensity of their snow varies that a cow, a cow oak, will smell different when she's in heat or during the rat same with meal. There you'll smell me, There is well well. I know when we hunted mule dear Renault Stars, don't touch the torso gland because that gland,

If you get down on you or you get it on your especially to get on the army. It Justice Fox up everything here, but that smell like smells like. Must the dear walk. Yeah functions, your dear FARC aid, we're gonna meet before no, not that I of. I did have one meal do that I shot during the right with my recurved bow, and it was not as good as other dear is probably one of the worst tasting dear. So maybe I did somehow ha. I thought I was eating this taste, they smell, usually, is terrain ass usual this value taste grace awesome, but that must it could have been that or just get been hiding. What is it doing a shovel? has been the most surprising thing when you

analyzing all these different animals in their hunting tactics. I think the most surprising thing is she means have a natural innate ability, hunting ability that is very comparable to animals that have to hunt to survive, and I say it like we one of the one of the things that really brought this to light was one of our last episodes season. We look at the river otter, river world, a mammal that HANS underwater we're mammals. Can we hunt underwater and pre much from the desert, so water is people are in the water, but I think of it is something that people of train their whole lives to do or whatever be efficient, free, diving. So I go to Florida. Unkindest untried, uncover how humans compared it mammals underwater turns out, we have the same guy reflexes, in other things,

other mammals, the underwater and we anybody off the street can initiate these. These reflexes thing that our troubles are, might we of his mental threshold that we have to get over, but once we get were that within two hours I was able to hold my breath for over four minutes: whatcha crate once all the mental you're really good shape now. But this is the guy that I did. This free diving course in the guy is like we could take. If, if everyone could just block mental things out of their mind privilege, the average person off the street could easily hold their breath for three minutes, and if you could completely clear your mind, pretty much everyone could hold their breath. Forty five minutes? That's insane is crazy. So it's just a panic. The freaking out you're gonna, breathing calibrated idea, but there

this mammalian dive reflects in it. It restricts your capillary slows your heart rate automatically yours, your spleen releases, more red blood cells, see your body consumes less oxygen. The exact same thing that happens in whales, dolphins, otters, so we're just boring with these prided took these things at other male other predators have and it kind of really comes out in this tv show that as one of the things, I really want to do this because looking at talking about it, you say what what are you doing? If the answer it sounds completely ridiculous, especially to it like me, that made most my life hunting So you're, ok, will. What am I doing here and I'm trying to dissect nature and c is hunt? really something that natural for humans to do are meant to be. Hunters are born to be hunters and obviously there's a big learning curve in it, but

there we are very similar, these other animals that are born predators. What The only makes sense that, if Buffalo have a natural instinct to avoid by people hominids. I've, seen ok, they get shot, we killed and they know that wolves come around. Ok, don't run stay, put and will fuck these wolves. I get almost seems like all this information just gets passed on somehow another through genetics, and that's it of these animals managed to be here will win make sense that if we ve got to do that fifteen. The way we got here by eating everything that we could eat up till now, including every animal that we can figure out how to hunt and all those skills and all those abilities, especially the idea, your spleen, starts. Releasing extra red blood me, DR under water, to allow you to stay solely one reason: stay under water is the tube to hide from something or to kill. Some things said: yes, crazy, while that's pretty wild

So what did you do when you were you when you did that you release spear, something it so we are then I went. We went out into the Gulf of Mexico and in spirits and greater Amber Jack and diving down pretty deep and it was to the awesome political color was allotted to stay down. Why? movement, so static, Berthold, you're, doing four minute breath holds and in when I got up from those he feels this kind of euphoric centrally. While you get up any people black out at the top, they forget to take a breath because at that point you get to a certain point. Green you get up, and you like, I'm your out at Europe really out of breath. It's a mental thing. It's a horrible feeling I can, but it is a mental thing. Is you realize your body? Doesn't it tells you needs oxygen, but essentially doesn't does at some point but And there's people little hold your their breath for twelve minutes, twelve mass. What didn't that that do David

Wainwright? He did something where he took like oxygen in. He did something some service sneaky trick? where he breathed in pure oxygen, held it in and how his breath like seventeen minutes or someone yeah. This is it before he did that stunt. This is the same thing that you went through to prepare for Aurelia, say, went through free dive, for four years. Do name Egon anywhere his brothers, with a guy named ensign, anyways famous Emma may fighter and inaction Fatima may himself at Egon was a world champion? Free diver hold his breath like seven minutes, crazy live Why the lovely, Would you holding them, breath underwater waters was one of the strengthened conditioning programs it do they would move, rocks underwater Japan had it on one of his on one of the countdown chose to one of his big fight

dive, underwater and lift up a big rock and then move Iraq underwater and dropping come back up angle down, moved again drop in like a four year. I've heard through the grapevine that a lot of athletes are doing these breath holds before competitions, because there are naturally there there, naturally creating more red. Cells performance, enhancing brothels. Why not make sense that makes sense if, if if you're saying that the spleen releases it when you're on water, probably is releasing a cause. You're holding your breath fracture system Can we the new doping, the idea you gonna hurt. You refer. You. I've been reading endeavouring, but there's a lot of there's a lot of athletes. They're doing these initiating these natural responses to enhance their performance yeah. That's it that one of the big ones and I've been really getting into over the last few months or years so actually is cryogenic therapy. We go into this.

Amber this tuna fifty degrees below zero. You put a surge mask on your mouse on gloves of underwear on annual socks and like rubber crocs, so that you, your foot, doesn't touch the bottom cause. You will the frost by aiming you touch, he'll get frostbite instead and as things too and fifty degrees below zero for three minutes and you get out and you feel fucking fantastic. When you get out you fellows, good job over the building. Just oh you just everything just feel so good once you, because your body thinks gonna die. But he pulls always delighted to you and your internal organs and when you Mount. They actually do a temperature test. The surface your skin and the surface of my skin is usually somewhere around thirty thirty to thirty five degrees. It's like he gets really cold and then immediately your blood rushes back to all your extremities. And the anti inflammatory response a spectacular, so people ever pretty significant injuries.

That's right is like even people that are like close border line and needing like hip replacement? They ve been able to put it off by doing this cry of therapy and mitigate almost all the pain. That's pretty cool outlets, because it's funny that the mammalian die reflex response. When your face it's cold. Water, it starts to initiate. That's closing those capillaries and it's probably a very similar process- is going on a fair trial. They may make sense. I stay. Cold showers like real hard, core cold shower and lived in Boston? There's a guy named Bob Kafir relevant ice to do type window and he was like a he was a senior student use like ahead of me, who's a black bow before I was, whose way and whose his fuckin madman he's asleep. The jammed train all day. Long You don't seem training, but he was also into like forcing himself to do things they didn't like due to be uncomfortable in money. Who's in mid January. He would take cold showers and it was fucking called take it

thirty three degree. Water is like just barely cold enough to not be frozen in the pipes and he would turn that shit on any would take a shower. There has breathed in their life, I'm a retrial. Do it a few times, but it's like you kid That's the thing that free riders, like you got no breath like, can agree that it should actually be being cold makes sense. But why can't I breathe? I guess is probably the same sort of response. It is critical that we think that maybe taking a really cold shower before you perform before you do anything athletic would yeah, but that you as well, I think so, there's a lotta. It's a lot of things that nature can teach us in our bodies. Just do by themselves what was the moon? The motivation to do this show This is a very different than solo Hunter, which is how I found out about you, which is really cool, show

still round you, if you guys want to catch some episodes in that show, you would go out by yourself just sharing cameras and really fast, south and I'm in are still doing that. Show really plan on changing anything with that, because I still my bread and butter is going out hunting. It's what I love, but I wanted to get a little bit deeper and do something different and buy something different. I wanted. It also do something that looks at hunting in any person watching the show whether their hunter not can look at this NGO. You know what, if something here, there's something that shows me that human.

Are meant to be hunters if in an if I can make one person think that ok well, maybe maybe hunting, isn't so bad, then for me, that's that's a bonus, because it's something that I love, I don't wanna see hunting away, because if, if I did, then that's that's my passion, that's what I'm all about. So if all the sudden disappeared wasn't loud or whatever people to understand it there, For me, I feel, like I don't know what I will do is really possible. Though I don't care, I know myself, you know it could be you never really now, because not guaranteed theirs. Like mountain lion, hunting is allowed in California and makes no sense ecologically or whatever, of people's emotions, get involved with manage or whatever it just seems- Ange. California such an extreme example of people who don't have experience with wild life for making those choices or a deafening, don't have experience with hunting it hold department of

fish and game out here: isn't fish and game its fish and wildlife and the few stay it has a distinction in the way of labels itself, but the The other reason is, I prefer finally, my I've made my living hunting and there's always been this idea for me of kind of taking it deeper. And in this show I actually look something every time I do. One of these is ridiculous as that this might be, or whatever were trying to do, seem ridiculous to me sometimes at first and then I go through this, steps, and I really learned something, and if I can learn something I've been doing this forever, then I feel like other people watching, can learn something other hunters other people in general. You are no doubt, I think Just the hunting itself is, is a learning experience its there's somebody bad? ideas that people have or are just bad concern,

misconceptions about hunting and a lot of it comes down to look at hunting or people look a hunting a lot of times that would they. The negative aspects of like trophy hunting. Trophy hunting seemed kind of grows to people like there Recently, I was at lady was laying down next to a giraffe. Yes, that's, Really it's just or taste poor management, poor thinking, You keep going on around forever like. Why would you lie down next to a jury smiling. You know. The whole thing is, is very strange and the real fuck up about it is that if it puts out this image that confuses the real issue at hand which is This was a large non breeding mail that they were going to take.

Anyway, this was the day hurdy deemed through their conservation efforts efforts. They were going to take this this giraffe out and that they were going to Is it defeat these villagers so her paying money to go and shoot? This thing actually helps. All these villagers gives them food than they take. Money. They can apply the money to you know whatever making wells, whatever the EU to do with the money that they get from mom from hunters paying to hunt these animals there's a benefit because then animal was gonna be around much longer anyway. Hearst being in and go, but but then, when you put it on, He spoke in your smile and ensure the results so far confusing like to everybody else, because you were you're an asshole. You just shot a fuckin giraffe each giraffes. You know, like note known you not like going over there to feed, family by shooting giraffes and then find out. While you actually Kenny drafts and actually drafts taste like a lotta differ.

Animals there related to their like meat, gathered their essentially a crazy necked antelopes right now with their family. Their original mean antelopes, a delicious. But giraffes are so nice the zoo in our has been my last special about giraffes. Being. The only animal, I don't feel bad there at the zoo. Is they wake up than there like another day with no lions, and they just wander around like having a great old time. We're so called and the giraffes or nice did they let babies freedom, my daughter, was too I was holding her up in my arms and she's got her little tiny little baby endowed with a peace, a lettuce and the giraffe comes over rhapsodes tongue run. Let us and takes it. She's laugh in their so confident. Zoo in giraffes behaviour. Adela, babies, freedom, bridges, create in While, though giraffes can be like a bull, giraffe can be pretty dangerous animal because it probably because their size, but if you I've, seen giraffes fighting

their necks lamb and did you look? I got up and whip their head into each other, but there you know ever. I think people seem to like our draft really would be really easy to kill their so big. I get this. I was working in South Africa and on this place, there's a few giraffes there and they would get this disease from tax, and so the guy would hire these professional hunters like myself and whenever to shoot like inoculate. The giraffes with these paint balls fill with Lay Mccall Douse, Sir drenches its kills parasites. So it's a painful guns. You have to get closer than you would with a bow sneak up on these drafts. The dress for the hardest thing on the place to inoculate real out, because.

They can see you coming forever and they were skittish they just because they wanted these draft to survive and through the grass it actually getting killed by power lines that are few giraffes. Our line, there's a big windstorm and two giraffes boom. That the lines came down and cook them whole, how it happened or what just weapon in the wind and killed both of em woe, but so that the guy was really sat on inoculate dousing, these giraffes, so I went out there. I am aware I got a lot. I would. There is a lot of other animals in this area and it just weren't accustomed to the text there because they might have been from another region and they can do this on these giant. Don't you know you can't preserves and ask if you gonna photos Safari in South Africa or whatever its central leaders

This is where say they bring in animals, and maybe that animal was an indigenous to that region, but they swapped with this game reserve area over here to kind of integrate breeding in and keep the populations existing, and so you bringing the giraffe to this portion of Africa that maybe has an address for who who knows how long and then the chicks there will kill me these diseases from Jack, so the but there's a lot of other animals like that to use or go out at night or whatever, and try to shoot these animal antelope with peoples that would naturally I killed a text and I never saw the drafts at night. I don't know why. Maybe it is Weird, you think you should find whom I thank you how to show that a retreat maybe they're laying down me. That's why I didn't find him. I don't know I can figure that out, but they were the hardest things. Tissue and cell therein is drowned paint bawling drafts is one of the hardest. Things are ready to do those. Why

wild game preserves in Africa, boy that is a goddamn conundrum and if there's any ever anything that stirred up the the sort of the horrible feelings anti hunters have its those game preserves you just go there and just kill these animals and it's such a catch twenty two, because these Anna there's a lot of them were bordering on being extinct just a couple of decades ago, and now their populations are thriving. But The vast majority of them are in these high fence game operations, it's real, weird or even in the places in art hunting. Where they just your photos, Safaris or what have you you get, so you bring in pick a species Coolidge Way Koodoo, so you bring including to this place where it could be two hundred thousand acres in peace.

We're gonna, come and take pictures of these animals. Well, if there's no hunting there, even with the lions and other things that they have their the crew to pop one of these populations may explode, make cannot sustain themselves. They have to manage these areas too so alive, I'm they do game captures or they may allow some hunting that the people taking photos, don't even about, but whenever you have, these populations is just the same. Is managing animals in the state of Montana just on a smaller scale? You know you have a limited amount of food supply. You have x amount animals. These population is growing. At this rate, the predators only take care of this much therefore excess. Has to be taken care of, and some of those excess animals are. Animals are used to be near extinction and now, if you dont manage emerald, though all die off of wherever there at sucrose,

It's it's so crazy also that this is a giant booming economy in Africa now area and in all that, it's it's it's a business Malta levels to because the landowner now owns the meat. So then he'll yourselves me or give it to people living there were there you have you go over the Africa to hunt. You can't really bring them back. Kenya Canada, New Zealand again how the New Zealand they don't have anything that we don't have she can't? You can bring me the New Zealand, where you can bring me out of New Zealand Alto, so you have to worry about funky new, lower playing over have anything us crazy funny. A bowl of it on my friends is a professional hunter in South Africa, and a lot of people didn't want to go to Africa after they heard the bull well from Africa. Such a large continent, from where he is toward the above, is, is further away. Then

in Georgia. Why not? The Americans together demands a hamburger and evil salaries. Shit. You know where they all got AIDS, Then the monkeys, yeah. We don't realize how big it is weak. We did an image on the park ass recently. We we pulled up, there's an image of acts. The continent how enormous it is and how many other continents you good stuff inside of Africa it's so shocking when you, when you realize how big it really is, goes on a map there. It is right there. China, United States, India Steering Europe and a bunch of other shit in there, too, I mean Alvis stuffed in their the UK. Everything stuffed in their GM as crazy as not ethical picture is vertical

picture, is a goddamn? Huge treatment are huge continent rather than the other thing is Africa we will they get of his Like United States, Africa, fucking continent, man at a different facets and people in problems and solutions and its huge spot of controversy now for hunting, and this this whole time for hunting thing. Rinaldo wrote a great piece about it: they ve there, Billy. He wrote it amazing piece about this woman as these girls that are getting involved in hunting and it's like become a career for a lot of them. They look real pretty and they go over. There shoot animals imposed with them and other pro There's gonna be a sign of the anti hundreds, attire, facebooks and death threats, and it's like it's almost like a dance that everybody, but would you What about it, which I thought was really fascinating, like I think, a lot of this sexism out for sure? for sure right. Yeah you deal with is pretty blonde. Who goes were there and shoots all these animals have? It was a fat old guy from Denmark

number to fuck you wouldn't and storm in that guy's Facebook page people find it Is fully shall lie and like when you asshole without B, where it ends is because it yet because its women in and is much as its the same people, it's kind of hypocritical way to look at it too, because the they go. Oh, it's a lot of the people that are doing this. Maybe it's me being hypocritical as well, but other people do it. Probably look at em is women and go if it's a man, it's different because hunting a man, sport may see these pretty girls doing it may. If there are out of place or something, whereas hunters, don't you think I like a woman hunting Alice great while you know is too. I think it's also that their attractive white women with blonde hair examples. You think

All these evil thoughts of racism and cruelty, and just this monster area in women that are shooting animals and posing when a big, stupid, white and teeth smiles it is, it is a form of sex it. I feel like now on the flip side, someone privileges, I mean it's If you wanted to jump in the spotlight, go shoot yourself a line and where cheerleader, I'm actually planning on doing that. Next week, the anthrax predator cheerleader, our could have my palm palms and go out and Jason. Why doesn't you need to do you need to take over the transgender hunting markets? It's it's right! It's right! If you became the first, like openly transgender hunting or at least trends cross. Try, Strasbourg, not transparent

Do you think he's dead porn outer scalpel in removing balls on this volume with the endocrine systems, thereby seen hills and heels Do you want my electorate, solar hunters, in order to get these stiletto letters really pump through this adventure? now. Many gay hunters are too knows something that we, we ve gotten into wherefore we're trying to ascribe like the average hunter- and I said well how many people no, like a lot of hunters, tend to live right wing and Maybe that's because of gun ride. Sword. Second, amendment ideas, or just because it's like sort of it traditional in. Oh God guns drills, yeah efficient grilling, only I'm going to us, but they tend

legal like eyes, I would say, but the majority I would say, as pilot more than sixty percent or right wing yeah and probably say that but how many of them are gay, I don't know, do you know any gay heart idea do? ah egg. I know few them that are actually guides like professional and agreement Are they open? Not no. I mean did you tell your hey man? May I dont want to share a tent with makes our fuck that's now I mean there. I don't really know you just know that their guy just doesn't come up yeah. I think in this day and age, then I have seen needs to be discussed in depth, but I think the homosexuality it's more, If you really do care in less

you're dealing with some extremely aggressive individual. That's like annoying with his gayness. Like just won't take no for an answer which I have seen I have seen, I know a comedian like Daddy's fuckin brutal way. A brutal anymore, is an older gentlemen. I believes the calm down, but back on a day like may ten fifteen years ago how to deal with and one either drunken bar. Now Montreal, as I dude you gotta get the fuck away from me. Like you, gotta, stop sues brutal. Like trying to try to get this other due to come upstairs and then he said What about you? My come on man get out air like just disprove. Like you, we realise what it's like to be a woman have some I'm not a piece of meat. You staring eyes up here: fucking assholes tab. Looking at my non functional breasts with any started, then he started insult. You in your kind of like will mean what's wrong with me here, to put start playing my enemies nicer wanting and now I just

in this day and age is good, is gonna come appoint time where the person that is homophobic or racist or in any other prejudice, that person is going to be a very rare vat aware and like despised. Right now. It's there's plenty of people that you can hang out with that its share in your racism or share in your homophobia. Think because the internet, because people kind of understanding, people little bit better and motivations, Oliver better, that's gonna, be less and less. I think if more gay hunters were around. I think that would help. So you gave us a lot, great waiting, a fabulous furs, fabulous furs and some others a touchy one, though even people who like to eat meat have a hard time. Furs for research They are false until I saw the same ideas of trophy hunting like your your attorney and animal, into an object even people it. Here we have a problem of furs or the firs or leather

I guess, but the Netherlands is your eating, the animal underneath it look at where these fuckin, conversely foods nest single vague and you need is a leather. Nobody would give me a hard time about these, be fine leather belt. No one can you crazy leather interior in your car? Moon is a fog, but if you say that you eat an animal this not on the average everyday menu in our fears. One of those we are due to do. Go squirrel, Hon, How are you piece of shit? I haven't? You shoot a squirrel. What would I was now a term he uses charismatic mega fauna like bears, bears, are big one people think of Yogi Bubu in all these different animals, it's the arrogant we given human personalities too to non humans, yeah three attached to them? a Bullwinkle never caught em. Nobody gives a fuck me shoot a move. They really don't care

rocky because of the squirrel squirrel his boots cross acute. They left I D, like the most acceptable road, and ever I don't think, there's can a big, noisy rats. Aerial I've eaten Cairo, cooperate a squirrel real I'm married and squirrels, why you never even tried it out, not that I wouldn't, but in my where I grew up, squirrels is Denise squirrels. Will you go you're tired at the same place. I got my squirrel from Manila Day: eight, some squirrels again, are you not now hey, I feel, like I shouldn't go through my life without eating score, I ain't a pigeon the other day, we're pigeons on our roof and there is crappy oversight shot at the palace. Why It's me. I ll areas I felt feeling

when you, when you utilizing the oak, get kind of it for myself, justifies the aka. Oh yeah eyes is like I've now, if I trapper Ratan Raj like me right, because it is something that lets you really hungry. I was in New York City last week and they had pigeon on the menu at a restaurant. We call it squab nope, it was pidgin it just a pigeon. Will it see? That's some animals get weird others like a weird stipulation with them, where it it's not a tasty, edible latin button young, if you put dove there, don't hunters love doves pigeons are taboo hunters. Love does but issued the dove on a menu and regular restaurant. The average person not Hunter would lead to peace, it's the p spurt of love. That's the of has the twig in its here. Is that the love bird was the swallow? That's another love! That's the last burlesque area as the dirty bird. That's I forget

the pigeons were actually brought to North America as a food source. When you look at pigeons that are in New York and are flying over the buildings and shit all over the place, those pigeons were initially brought over as a food source. They are non native animals. May Grandma raised pigeons for food, one soul than those that was there. You're pigeon farmers scrub, sale sales, squab salesman. If that's crazy, I'd seen it it, you see it in few Chinese, restaurants, squab, salad and other things, but they have to call while the uncle, if you called agent, Does that's why I was amazed. Is New York, city, restaurant, but they're just, cities on some next level, culinary type shit day, and I mean that's so like that's locally sourced man, that's a catch him yeah! I can see that it's from my jungle, the jungle of my rooftop apartment

yeah there's a lot of em. If you want to serve pigeons in New York, that's like you get a sustainable sort of an environment in their farewell to day lots of garbage, probably not good. For you, they used to say that lobster was like a poor persons, food in New York like way back in the day these. Do people wanted lobsters, they would get them directly from the river, they get them right these river and they would poem and they would serve them in bars and they like poor people, food or preserve awkward, cockroaches Will they literally are erect spiders? If You have an analogy to shellfish, you all seven algae to roses. We found that Alan FEAR factor that's pretty crazy people that we're alert the shellfish we gave them roaches near their throats dark season oak there eating yeah yeah yeah there's a shower Here.

Suggesting that we too can believe that no one knew that like they do it ask people what are your allergies and they said shellfish, ok, encroach same fucking thing man, you made it ain't gonna, like an electric shock, resist guy got real close whistling was mouth or as a windpipe was closing down the geek. Do when someone's dying for meeting cockroach? Do you view conflict should talk still you scared the hell, I'm stuck, it happened. There was much later after that they had eaten the cockroach. They ve gone back to the hotel and that's when the reactions are kicking in it. Instantaneous reaction. So I don't know, maybe they have less strong reaction from eating the cockroach, they do for meaning shellfish or, if that's, how their their reaction normally is. Says levels of our Jeez Riah people boylike acutely. I got my friend Gary He can come out of my house because I have cats. The opens My daughter study literally, can even breathe air inside my house, but my wife's allergic cat.

And she was just fine she's- has to wash her hands if data. Sure they liquor they get their dead. The cats have to be clean and bade them, but my friend arrogant and locking the door So I guess it's like there's levels. Have it put that on cockroaches, It's a game. Animals that are people are allergic tools or any animal. Have you ever heard of a person mean allergic like venison or some point now. I know an unkind, I'm allergic to antelope in a certain way agreement skinning the blood when it drives hives itchy some people to get that only antelope degenerated checked ha no, but I mean cookie. It also loving me, so I don't know But if I talk to other people, it happens to you. If you had a sailing. What does your all time favorite meet solely restricted due to one meet for the rescue life, so tough, probably elk eyes, just something about out it's delicious and healthy and stood really get such a man.

Just take animal to have only seen a few of them in the wild. But every time I see images is in its fun animal. I mean it's a horrid animal to hunt people dont really, but that the payoffs amazing, because it's pretty large and some of the best meet around I really I keep coming back to milk- is the best- it's very, very delicious, its its enormous animal. It was the biggest argue, overshot body. What Body was this year on me. My brother drew tags on southwest of fog, Neck Island up in Alaska, and we shot these Elk. They mine, no joke Crawley Wade. Fourteen hundred pounds hold it was now. This is for people like most elk or about four hundred pounds. Like Rocky Mountain, no average younger ball. I think there was a wyoming did a study in its around. Therefore,

Millions of pounds is the average elk wait. This was a very large animal and the fish and Game Department Unalaska sends out a thing saying these Elk or about the size of moose. And yes, this elk was, as big were, bigger than any moose I've ever pact out. Taken apart, it was, it was a brutal experience to say the least. Does you carry it? Oh yeah we had to pack them thing is crazy. We lower back to start throw me my brother. We both shot, we both shot bulls. Mine was quite a bit larger body, wise and my brothers, but eight days of just street toil hundred plus pound path. Eight days are just carrying me. I guess we firmly a documentary style show on this. It's not anything yet, but

in May recorded- all are our trip in documentary fashion and recorded on his gps are elevation because we camped on this one like me to climb up this big mountain down the next one. We shot these Elk always away, and it was a hate point I'm so both numbers always misrepresented some trying to think here is something like sixty man hours of packing between two us. There our inner thirty hours just straight, carrying wholly fire. It was indeed it was. I got an I got really sick on that trip and I think it might have been partially due to its being physically.

Done just Roy destroyed. It was it was when the most physical trips overhead, but who is probably one of the best trips over, and we came back with six hundred pounds of boned out meat and get this we put the me up. Any trickery had to do cash. Is I mean this is a multiple day or deal so doing these catches, and this island has some of the largest brown bears in the world, and we got them up in this one spruces highs. We could get him probably fourteen fifteen feet up and two of the hind quarters in our cash got eaten by bear spyware, and they say these bears don't climb trees. I don't necessarily believe that I think that they can get up a tree in some fashion, because I dont think it was a sixty.

I know I wouldn't have been sixteen for bear, but somehow this bear got the meat out of this cash, and so we came back with six hundred pounds of meat minus two hind quarters. How is she s aim and the high court you're bound out or no yet bona no bones just meet while higher per meat. We took a picture where we got the poignant. Take too plain trips to get the meat out just acts of meat. So how far you travelling, I guess the crow flies. I love saying by as the crow flies the five miles as a crucial but you're going up and down. It's ok a bit more from camp. The summit is twenty five hundred feet from our camp vertical up, so- is five thousand each five. Now in some in one in my brothers, we had to go. Even overtook ranges like that, so just one ship bag is ten thousand vert far just we documented. The whole thing is: is ridiculous

and so I got sick and I dont know, if was from drinking water, but sometimes the gestation period of a lot of things you pick up. I did drink out of one dream that my brother didn't and might have been below and Elk wallow anyways. I get sick and it happens to be the night. We had an insane walk back. We got back it things one in the morning and we could have been carried out, but the thought was we set up a base camp and if you baby out, you carry you, upon your back, but then you still have to get all the meat back, it was in our minds easier to just two extra effort. If we had to come out white and then we would have room to carry meat, so we would have to cure your gear and other things right and with the bears as well and in these bears are everywhere three of electric bear fence around our base: camp. Woe and the night we come back and I just got super sick is gale force when seventy, how her wings and am and you're just try, not you're trying to hold

Throwing up the coming out both ends essential in cigarettes the worst time ever, so you probably had jarred yourself. I dont think it was a jerk. I just some. No baby food point something, but it had to have been back to We will in some way, because I had one of those Zika Z pack Ray and Biota things in a just, so happened to throw it in. I normally do it. It was a lucky deal. Excite took it out of my carry on threaten thing I've, it's been my kit for ever, and I've never had to use it and that helped. I don't know how I would have done it was. I was able to still take that and kind of kill off whatever was going on and unfinished packing, so you're talking about third plus hours of just packing lead in carrying an each pack. You will more than a hundred.

Right on your back yeah yeah man. I was at my brother's my brothers and really unshaven he's a bigger guy than me, so curious seamount wait for me, It is my little brother. I can't you wait. Then we hope he doesn't listening. I was hurt. I didn't know I gotta from it is like a competition too silly who breaks for exactly who could deal with the hardship better, exactly and he's diving. If I'm in I'm ever in a wilderness, hard situation, that's the guy! I want my corner he's just an awesome dude in because of it it ended up being one of the cruellest tripped over an hour. Hiking, the thing we do is like walking working hard. All we do is talk about how few calories array.

Memorize the amount of calories in every mountain house who think those are thing is mounting: household meals, freeze, dried meals, meals and when you're over exerting unjust eating, freeze, dried meals. Nothing is better fresh Alex take over the fire. I was hanging out with this photographer one moose hunting Guy SAM, and he was talking about this trip that he had went on where they had. Not brought enough food and everyone on the trip had lost like thirty pounds, twenty pounds lately so much weight when I first Thirty guiding. Every year I lose twenty or thirty pounds, while less starving starving, essentially starvation, essentially new force, your body to keep going eating or fat and muscle it doesn't take much. The duke you there's, you almost come to a point, when you're working so hard that you is equally key, just get sick of eating. Almost you, they need some better hire. You just need brings

Some butter specifically high that disastrous fat realistically young people I can't lose weight. May I can't leave way you're not try and view if just just as well do given us Tenzin packs, throw fuckin rocket Cameron Haines does and I love a mountain, keeps its a hundred and thirty pounds Rock and his passports, one of the ways he prepares for elk season. He puts a rock and back any hikes mountains I saw he did us on Facebook or something you did Austin marathon for guy it is like body bill. Their status to run like that is Semyon Human, really, their mother fucker works hard earlier. He doesn't, he lives illustrates every day, seven days a week ago, how many days you work out every area you never take it. There isn't a days off he's pushes it means always hurt is always sore he's always like aching, barely get Bed has drink, coffee, take aspirin hot, shower start run and to raise exists. Gulf just through certain people man they just

A lot of Amr hunters, like Renault, is one of those guys just fuckin, tough, just they have this mental toughness, the ability to endure discomfort that the average person just doesn't I think it's accentuated by this life or death struggle that you, You experience on a day to day basis when you're hunting in Conakry Portman why certain aches and pains and hunger and thirst and cold aegis block that shit out and keep going or the which persons wallows in that stuff. But you know you have you have to you come into this. You have to do these certain things where your tasked with some it's probably a lot harder than the average person thinks he can you, but you once you ve done it once meant it's a lot of this stuff's mental and that's the APEC spread. Your show that I've been doing comes back to a lot of shit, mental yeah. It's so many things,

a lot- is mentally with the almost everything with almost like. You know tat to Syria and abuse an example, but everybody says like how bad tattoos heard I fell asleep. Lillian tattooed like it does heard it hurts a little, but it's not it doesn't hurt like someone kicking you in the head doesn't hurt like someone trying to choke you're fucking neck off it. Doesn't it doesn't hurt like a lot of things, hurt like they really hurt, that's this is discomfort and there's a difference between discomfort and real pain and what you can endure. Like you a lot of time, people start focusing on the discomfort and like it anyway to dig it starts. It becomes like their entire focus. Comes this pain. Instead of doing the task, blocking out whatever discomfort ye have dealing with it and yet throwing thing going on. I sometimes that that alaska- while we're doing right, would you ever do this again?

Everyone is over. We were so excited. We just want to do it again, because we heard the holes like his last time you get hurt for a week, just punished in its, and it's like this cool experience where you push yourself to these limits and then you feel awesome afterwards will, after it's done after down the middle. The toil you like, God, is not one, but you get. Oh you get back to camp that night. We we flew in a few beers crackers can a beer after in the middle of nowhere yeah yeah. Let's do this again Renault has a whole way of describing it that he said he learned from one of his buddies is that there are different kinds of fun: there's the kind of fun. That's fun! Why you're doing it, but it's not fun later right and is. Fond that's, not fun. Why you're doing but afterwards,

have amazing fun memories and its awesome. It's weird I I've I noticed in in you. You know, I don't know if you experienced this yet, but for me I ve done it a lot Oh, I almost like to punish myself in some. I like it to be hard. I like to be a challenge, so I will actually created to be adjusted. New Zealand, where I was humming these these fallow dear and at any given time for the first few days. I could he shouted dear well if hunt it alot of you'll know realise, as hunters is not always the gold. They just go shoot something it's part of the experience and so for me, I just kept passing of animals, because the experience, what right until the last day when I was supposed to leave early and I ain't of arms can be hunting for two hours and bring any water may and putting all day in going, don't even know how far eighteen miles may be, and I didn't bring any food,

media water and I'm hurt and shooting a dear it last light and and now was to me- is awesome. Expense they made the trip and made that memory. The hardship made the memory and something that I as a hunter, that Non hunter dont, really, maybe understand is like having these antlers around when the meets long gone. I can look at that. I remember the hardship in the journey in the adventure in these other things about the experience. And the meat was a bright product that these are the memories it. I, like you, look at that moose and you think of something and politely different than I do you remember. How it went down. You remember you know, maybe this struggle or carrying the meat back Gore. Whatever so I've may ever a rack in my house. It sitting upon them the wise out when on the mantel, not one without when I had to work real hard for so I looked at it and I think it reminds me constantly of what

enter when you say that the experience wasn't right. Would it? What do you mean by like? I feel something it just wasn't a challenge- I it was I would have been shooting in animal, not if the adventure there. The challenge. Wasn't there, it just wasn't the right time. I wondered, keep going given until it so happened. It's weird, but for me huntings about the adventure and everything behind it, and so as well as obviously getting meat, but there comes a point where enough. Ok, I didn't get a dear this week. Will maybe I'll I'll get my next week. I'm not gonna starve to death. I've got a freezer with meat, but I also want to keep the freezer for Rob, but so it comes your point for me where it's about other things as well. The experience the adventure, the meat all combining into this, if it's too easy, I just don't like it.

I don't know it it'll come it'll happen you for me. It happened. I start out when I was younger. I never want to stop hunting. I liked the experience of being out there so much so I would do it. A lot of people call trophy hunting, a mere quoting that, because it means something different to me or I would look for a bigger dear because I wanted to keep honey, make more of a challenge for myself. As you see what I'm saying so, instead of like some people, they want a bigger dear, so they could say: hey I gotta one. Ninety barkan right, one Andy engine. Look it's on. You know, and they lived the measure, everything and look at his tiny look, our biggest for you it was just it's a more difficult pursuit right, just a dip, difficult pursuit where it keeps me in the field longer, because if I shoot that first first erased

I would be the type of guy that goes out if I've got ten days on. I want Huntington days. I don't want to shoot something on the first day, even if I end up getting something the last I was the last day that I would have shot the first day. I want to spend those ten days out. Hunting on the opposite should therefore marries manners I'd love. This say they can't it up. Turner, look, look good poem! it up starting in earnest, but I've been hunting is long. I think when you been hunting as long as you have also you kind of appreciate what you appreciate after the fact, Do you have a real, deep, standing of what it means to you, whereas too it's all pretty new environment, doing it for three, not even three years now. So it's like crazy we're shoot, attacking us cool, going to shoot this, I'm a need that in its fun enjoy it. I love you know, I'd a deterrent,

I don't know. If I do that again, I'm I mean it's not that I didn't like it, but what I didn't like about the turkey as you work, all day- and you know several days in a row to get a turkey- and you can It's like a meal? Is there a meal? for electromagnetic family, they can be made the whole turkey that's right! It's not that big, innovative, checker, huntings begging. You might work each worker checker. What is it it's a partridge. It looks there from the Middle EAST. They are needed but they re released into the mountain there. Always they living cliffs and there is a really hard animal to hunt and you may go out in only shoot one bird in height, my friend, put his little track. My run thing on and where I can we get back to the truck after triggering I'm pretty tired. Twenty two miles: you're walking from the sun up the sun down in state where it is Well, we got one bird between the three of us. Is it's just it's where I grew up. That was a thing.

Do, but its honeymoon lunch now, but it's more you're out there, you workin hard for it. So if you get when you get when you shoot six of them, then you re really feel like you. Bush, something. How much is one like, as far as the amount of meat you gonna one like two quail awhile, so like six ounces, eight ounces, maybe maybe not, even while far as I am, but I dont, but when it it's just the pursuit of it is well see right you get into and then in and then the more you failed, the hearty when it try to succeed so the next time you got you wanna, go further and hunt harder and try to get shoot better, that's interesting! So it becomes so hunting isn't just about! out requiring meat.

Hunting is also about the challenge of the pursuit of the animal neighing being the hunter varying the predator out there too to outsmart or out hunt fi their natural instincts, figure out to avoid the wind blowing in their nose figuring. How to approach in the right way and to make it even more difficult going after the big ones are smarter than had been alive longer, making it more difficult task and making the appreciation of the accomplishment, much better Yan the harder. Something is the more skill you need. The more you honed your abilities in the end, and I have always said the hearty work for something better case. If you ask me what the best these l, because you work hard for now, himalayan tar and New Zealand. I think they're delicious. It's a goat that lives in the mountains, but you work your ass

for it, and when you sit down to eat it, you appreciate it is just a different feeling. What is it? Tastes like a goat, alot of people doesn't always like go chasing venison round. Is Canada is kinda marbled fat in the in the meat which is different? Mount mountain goods That is where they have a while coat to pull up the image of a himalayan tar. I call the guerrilla groups T hr of energy age areas or teach air either way. That's a while looking animal aware, forgot Chewbacca. Might I like they're back, looks like a grisly arrived guerrilla, got these silver stripes down the back, and then they ve got a lions mean on the front, knowing it a thing. What a wild learning down. There are only one, my favorite favorite so strange and that's a very difficult on right can be friends even do it that's like for me. I want to walk up from the bottom up.

Could take helicopter to the top people in New Zealand, really look at a fuckin face those illegal baboon or some crazy, wild lookin half lion and they have a red meat. That's just like venison, while now some people they fly up on a helicopter, they shoot these things than they. What fly back down now? What elevations your climbing when you deal with these things, four thousand five thousand feet, maybe while Andrea three to five? three to six and saw weird rocky slip free terrain very precarious. I watched the Europe so the solo hunter when you went after these things area was it when I did it get one: to deny fails one. You didn't get. Why oh yeah yeah you go, I mean just the the adventuring getting up their staff. The fund in the first place the thugs a pounding, the next door.

Damn off demo, building a robot It seems like those those those trip Very strange to because staying in one of those weird cabins that they have set up there for people that can just take it just use them a town. They want and go up there and hang outlaws havin some cuts, yeah, that's pretty cool. That many people to go hunting up. Did they have those things? Are there from other here now nearing lot of its most the ones? I stand for ice, climbing Zella hunting the glaciers they're all ice clamour hunts agree base out before you really nice, claiming That's really popular pursuit arena.

But this must surely have huts yeah because well yeah, because it's tough terrain and if that's your sport, these groups like build these huts, whose historical significance to some to their put in for calling expeditions. Penguin animals are running rampant there, because their online natives is incomplete saga about I like to talk about New Zealand, because it's a place that I've I've come to light for a lot of reasons, but when you talk about conservation, there is completely different than we think of it. Here it it's almost. I it's a different world. Maybe it's really hard to explain to people that don't understand it, because the animals aren't technically spokespeople but we want them there and they can't get rid of him. So there's a completely different them in place there. They don't have any tags. You don't have to have a license. You just going highlights not yet where you have to have this thing in online for free, but things might change. Who knows it as it is right now

yeah uses to open a zero sum movement to try to change it unregulated. I think it looks like there might be not necessarily just not that they want less animal shot because a lot of people there would want em all gone. If they could, I mean they poison animals. The government sheets about a helicopter there's lots, gotta have two causes, so many Uno predators and no one No knucklehead want bring wolves over there. I think back in back, during which I think was world war. Two they propose to bring outlines, because it's it's the woman who swallowed the fly, probably swallow eyes and swallow frog they were they found out, is so they bring in rabbits, and then they bring in ferrets to kill the rabbits and weasels only find out that the rabbits and the furniture and killings endangered flight with birds there a lot easier to kill and four have it, and so the non NATO's eat the native plants and kill off the native

did you find the did. You read that study they did recently on dear and dear eating. Birds know that it's in credibly common for dear to eat birds and not only will dear eat birds like go, find nesting, birds and they'll eat them. They'll find ground, nesting birds daily checks, but they also found they did they. They had these books they were caught in a net and must their surprise. Mature deer were walking up to these birds and weaken the Nan just eating I'm alive and that boy apparently are on the on the menu for dear dear here as ensure no one knew really really recent discovery it out. I wonder if it would wear their more boxer dose or do they even I don't know James C report that article the because I got her a deer been eating birds for years. They do need elaborately entity next, especially that the feeling we need it when there.

Pregnant than the males needn't linen growing ramblers rate. They pick up higher protein grass and other things. It makes sense that nearly two burdening it a little more protein in there their eating, their heads and legs of live seabirds checks as a way to get minerals. They need to grow their antlers scientists. Believe it surprising addition to the red. Dears diet stems from mineral deficiencies in the vegetation eight, while there's a bunch of different versions of this that there there's more than one study. This sort of this is from two thousand, this is not the one is one from much more recent s. Pretty crazy field cameras air ass- if this is the most recent one, this is the north american one. It's crazy. North Dakota. They set up nest cams over ass, songbirds expected to see so allow the nestlings and eggs get eaten by ground. Squirrels foxes and badgers squirrels hit thirteen

nasty other meteors made a poor showing foxes and weasels only took one nest each. You know what fearsome animal out- did either of two sleek resourceful predators, white tailed, dear the aid. Living nestlings right out the nests, and if you think that must be a mistake, that the dear, were chewing their way through some vegetation happened upon a mouthful bird think again up in Canada. A group of orphan knowledge is cisely, followed. Just we're study, adult birds are examined them closely. Researchers used missed nets. These nets usually draped green trees are designed a trap, birds or bad gently so that they can be collected, studied and released when a herd of deer came by the dear walked up to the struggling birds and ate them alive right out. The nets crazy After all, it is wild man, it is wild, her, a cow, They found a cow. You recently had chick why urban

eat meat with a not giving of nutrients in their diet. That's interesting! It is It is really fascinating. I wonder it's amazing. I wonder what other animals do things that we don't even know about. Half an opponent and anyway, I'm sure there's a lot. I'm sure you know I mean it's. One of things. They ve found over the last. How many years is how many bears a baby bears and that this, not just a matter of voice, trying to keep their bloodline or trying to discourage up and coming males. They just eat babies like that, since their phones, like when they get out of the high or the young, when the den when there are done hibernating, they, A me Lisi, Gaol Cubs, that's a quantum favorite things. I've heard that I wonder. I've heard also heard that they do that for breeding reasons as well, because in the female cycle again radically yeah, there's all sorts of speculation about.

But we are when we were in last year, when the guys we are with them, seen a female eat, its own baby, louts, really fucked. The male had killed it and then the email finish off and I agree with them. EL came in and try to attack the female intact or Cobb Killer, Cobb started here. Come she chased him off and then she finished it. This Meissner, that's hard. That's one can harsh my mom. Reading me you're, not a me anymore, dead too harsh fuckin world throughout the world of Nigeria as doing there. Ex Brenner show one of the things it really kind of with surprise, because we start out doing a tv thing and you have these ideas. What should happen in that? Never frickin here

you ever things always go wronger or something, but that's why I went to taken and look at it as a learning experience not silly come out with these pre eight preconceived ideas of what and it happened. I want it acted as animal in the wild, learn from it and then see what its life would be like and one of the things that I've come to the consumer, you know, there's a lot of these animals that we see as being super efficient and oh they easily surviving too hard knocks life, It's not as easy a lotta animals, scrounge and or hunting all day every day into the night, just to get enough food.

Sustain themselves and then there's other animals that it is easier, but for the most part I learn that these animals at Hunt daily- it's not as easy as you might think. You always see the highlight real the lion catching the gazelle, but it's pretty hard even for the alliance to catch the gazelle. It's a pretty interesting, FF and then we got is humans, and so like essentially, is a lot easier for us to hunt and catch things than it is for these, these natural predators or animals, I can imagine. We have guns yeah exactly what that's the archery thing too. Right. That's one of the reasons why people enjoy archery, because it is much more difficult challenge. We have to figure out how to get between twenty and fifty yards

proximity and yet there the child is. It just goes back to the challenge of what makes it hard and why you do. I mean there's people that only BO hunters people it both on an rifle hunt. There's people that don't traditional bovine and it's all based on the challenge and the experience for them as well as a lot of ideals as far as ok. Well, I'm a beau hunter in future, gun. That's too easy for me, but for me I I do whatever kind of hunting, because I saw a hunting yeah. There's a lot of people that have there's like a purity involve like shooting something with a bow, because it's much more difficult and shooting something with a rifle seen. Em cut with that, but sometimes for me as theirs hunter, I don't like when hunters against centred, if you're on your own, Turkey's you shoot it with her right rifle and then will the traditional dues, like you're, not undergo, issued with a calm

renders guy out there were no. She is gone. You guys need grappling with your hands, some others. Are you gotta catch him with your teeth? scale. It's it's already much align community. I ran into Jim Shockey at this thing is, and has always been a here am I am I talking about because it came on your podcast and listen to that, and I thought I was an awesome ma awesome

Guess again so well spoken here. I love Dagon talk about anything you like it makes sense to me, but yeah. I was kind of talking to him about a few things, and this is in furies like don't fuck it up. You know like don't be against hunters, meaning in them. That makes sense, because really it's all hunting that we ve all got the same desire to go out and harvest army and hunt and be out in the wild. What's the matter, if you doing it with a bow or on publicly under land or with a spear with a gun. I mean it's all, then results the same as that debt animal when he tried to make it more difficult for himself to make the challenge, though his challenge is uses, muzzle, odors right all the time even in regular rifle seas and use the muzzle loading resilience one shot exactly in that. That's for me at me on hunting with a rifle than I may try to find something. That's bigger or packing doing.

In its further or who knows what I do I just to make it. More richer in their sometimes were. Obviously the only intention is I'm looking for meat, and I need that meat now, but for the most part II either way you're still out there hunting he. Although what brings me act. Your buffalo show, because the Buffalo show was a particularly trying one for you, because you snuck up on this buffalo you guy a good shot with your bow by the although still lie out there, so fuckin tough and it shall big in you there's a lot of things that I would have been different, but also I couldn't have done different in the might. Sometimes you you have to do it happens.

Moment and make a decision in? For me, I didn't want to shoot a buffalo bedded down, bison bedded down, but some things went wrong during the filming of the camera. Guy was in the wrong place, and if that basing got up, sir walking off, we won't be able to film it inside. I made the decision to shoot with my bow in that particular instance and had to live with that decision and guy shot it where it would have been good, but it just the boat in penetrate. Our enough knows nothing. I mean equipment,

sauce right, everything was right is just one of those deals where a quarter inch left or right, maybe would mean difference it shoulder and just how the next day it was still live in, and for me and there's guys it could maybe watch that Epson go. Oh you're bow hunting in you shot in the end with if he had seen him given way spoiler but yeah. I end shooting with a rifle the next day and for me it it wasn't about BO hunting nor rifle hunting or being purist in this former or following through, because the the natives, who did that tactic, would have only use primitive weaponry. Waiting for me in that moment is about putting that by sit down and eat nuts. As hunters we know has seen, animals suffer side or the other

thing so I didn't really matter what I shot it with me, and I just want to do my job to make things right, then how to be a hard feeling to know that this animals wounded. You have to go to sleep and I couldn't sleep there and there is raining. We I think we got back to the tense it

One thirty in the morning later had been just dumping rain. We lost the bloody trail, you know urges, and I also want to keep pushing it because at some point you think ok will in its not smart, detract night. The only reason we're tracking and night was because the rain was coming and manages there is good blood and then we lost the blood trailing decide to come back the next day in and luckily things turned out. But when I came away from that trip, there's a lot of things. But when I do a television show how to make things are not necessarily need to show people that I'm pow my chest and be the greatest show my failures as well. Not think that was a failure whatever, but even in solo hunters or other things, relapses or don't get anything. There's a lot of running shoes won't show that. But for me it's a real its hunting and I've missed things with my bow of Miss things with my

I've messed up, but I keep doing it and I think if I just edited things how I'm always is always perfect, then I'm scared of lying to myself there. I think if there was a very few hunting shows out there. Maybe that would be acceptable by to try to make, like the most exciting version of hunting possible, but I think it's really important portray for what it really is. What it really is a difficult pursuit, even for an expert higher like yourself, it doesn't always work things, long and an you now and then and then it also has the gravity of the situation. You know we come upon them a basin and shooting with a rifle bison drops and that episode in particular. I had quite a few people that weren't hunters at all, but watching the series- and they said that is like there is no warning devices died me there, like. I felt sad as yeah. That's the point like you go.

Through the you felt the emotions of a hunter? I don't usually feel sad, but to talk about it, and I see that the path of a hunters humbling path in a really is in tat moment you watch that your bone, this by suggests is now dead and you go You have a feeling of Rio, and then there is also the feeling of on thankful for this basin, and now it's providing me with all this me, and that is what it is to be a hunter. You go through arrange our emotions and how many times you ve done it. Then life begets life and now. Now the spice and is no longer an animal, is a source of meat and I'm an EU that throughout the year that's the real big differ. Switching someone who's been involved in the taking of the life, whether you are far and that kills your own cows or whether a hunter that goes out. Since the me there's a there's, a much deeper our understanding of what you're actually eating. I don't think it's necessarily healthy that we can just go to issue and by state it is now. I think it's weird

it just gives you a massive disconnect and that's where all the self righteousness for people, weren, leather, eating me and getting angry people for hunting. That's where it all comes from its. I guess it's a sickness. It's like there's a disconnect like a complete totalled disconnect. What you're doing by eating Amber here you hired a supermarket hit man to go out there and killed. Fuck, and animals and packaging job seeking be completely insulated from the the life or death struggle and then you're, getting upset at other people like the idea of a me eating person who, whereas leather being upset at hunting, is one of the the great bizarre hypocrisy of our culture. It doesn't really make sense, and I I can't

me. I've seen the eye of a respect for my food and indifferent way that someone in animals now food is not an animal. But for me meat is always an animal is always food. I respect it in that way and when it becomes meat than it, it becomes something different to me, but still an animal. I think it's kinda weird story, but I had a horse that we use to pack out things and whatever, in a breaking a silly and we had to shoot it, and so I didn't want to do it because he is like you have this attachment to this animal, and then my other guy didn't wanna. Do it either, but one of the guys use the horses. We talked him in a guy like you need to put this horse down the shop horse. I still felt like ok, this is, now we do- and so I dont know why. But I cut backs takes out in eight the horse,

it is like you worry me like that is discussed. That is sick, but for me it was like. Ok well now serves the utility, a purpose it's now for, It's no longer wasted, otherwise you'd be wasting things. Guinea bacteria is going to eat it or predators or road in served scavengers someone's going to eat it should new and I've I've had horse before I headed in Montreal is a place called Joe beef. They I've had whore Tatar I've had raw horse and- the horses loins were they they cooked, like the backdrop and cooked they they cooked up like a stake, was delicious. Now you even their enemy. In the end, its meat announced but I mean obviously mediators. Pat what oh Seko, but for me it was more out of respecting the coca leaves the circle of life. Some people are not going to understand that we are, but that's ok, this year,

and help. Everybody understand things that make sense to me. It's me. It's makes sense because it's good meet its healthy, for you very common Eden, urea others. It's one, the weird this is, I believe, a lot of the horse they buy in Canada comes from the it states, but we can't sell it states yeah, I hadn't in Iceland in those horses, are absolutely other time I had it. I can remember further reasons we can actually get horse reminders will try. We served horse rectum, unfair factor once and it was yeah. People were writers. So angry, I believe, is boiled whose very chewing disgusting people were so angry as a horse, yachting boats, a high or to a lot of folks like if we start servant dog tongue, Pierre? you assholes, you sure, serving dog tongue, that's our pet in our! So how do people their horses even more intimately involved in their life and a dog?

They write it. Yeah, oh and like that horse worked it carried it carried Elk for me is on the hunt, which is kind of a weird I mean. Maybe it was very clear it's a weird philosophy: armies in animal that you associate with its whereby think it's I think we might turn out like. I didn't really now, but I felt weird about it, but then, when you cooked it up and it became, is like ok yards, I'm glad did it if I do it again, but I thought it in their moment felt right how much of the media. Of course. The backdrop that argues was pretty here that while there is other animals out there that we also need it, but It would be impossible to rest out when you were. We were in a bare area where the Arusha had a bears ate. It was in God, really

yeah I went back. How long I would beg like three days later is premature. Toast la we're, gonna Bears blackberries Bruce Eagles word. They eat a lot. There's! Probably when I got there. There's lot eagles on it. That's crazy, eagles eat a lot, I'm sure know out others may the common of animals. Coyoats eels bears amazing how quick nature can eat something like that. A horse was a horse thousand pounds or something, more big ass. Animal gets devoured in a few days. You days is, yeah. That's why we're here also talk about like finding dead animals in the woods I give rarely if you find bones. He ate Erin Pole animals. Rarely Finally, a dead man online. Good luck! You live your whole life

never never see a dead man. I've only found one real, a dead one. Where was in a river which round laughing high water either swimming across or some have you ever seen that picture of a mountain I am an a mountain goat that apparently got into it. Scrap and they both fell off the mounted on the highway, dad was it cheaper ago. May was big. Aren't you now, I'm thinking about, I think you're right It is your picture, something like this whole series of pictures there at pictures of them actually fighting dollar dad their bald debt there they are banned there. Both dead on the road is a crazy picture. I think that That is why the horns yeah went out because the what, when they fall along as air pressure flows through pops,

we're only look. Look at the top would go up a little bit like that horn like where it where it came off his weird bloody stump, with worn popped off on end it off a cliff, get hit by snow. Go down to know it died of the cliff look. He's got a mouthful of fur. He d, with a mouthful further fuckin monster like these in his mouth as he's dead. Oh well, we're broken legs and shit Only the far far he was crazy. Stumbling upon. That is a cool thing to see that Canada, I don't know how to nobody, Classic Glacier National Park was at that same wanting, while it's amazing it so cool. So

dumbly upon things like that. Just seeing the seeing the wheel, You especially having seen wolves, actually take out and Elk pretty cool so we're different animals, you Emily, I know this week is Wolf, yes, arise, weekly, so the first episode the alligator strained to grab pig. Very high. Without worrying about that. That's that's! So the first episode we waited the navigator learned from the alligator and my goal was to learn from yogurt, but I was trying to grab the wild boar barehanded and you gotta watch that ever it's pretty cool. That sounds like the most ridiculous idea area but the tasks. You were both regions, combining you. I wasn't saws forefinger Did you out he's euro? I learn only tell me: that's gonna drive people to the site of experts. That tv

tax protodyne tv. If they go there, they can actually stream the entire season right up the ones that have been aired yet or nearly so. What happens you can if you buy the season day the air. When the air live on tv, you also get it access to an online Ok, so so every Thursday, at eight p M East. Probably nothing is right. After shares. Eight thirty p M East.

Play the trailer Jamie: let's play the trailer. Every animal has adapted to survive as humans. We have learned from those adaptation to become better hunters, were the planets top predator, but we didn't get here alone. Nature itself was our teachers, I'm Remi Warren, I'm going to study animals in their environment learn what makes them successful and challenged. Myself is nearly impossible hunt giving me roster

Only obtained from experience I plan to immersed myself in nature and hung like a new, that's cool, fuckin, trailer, dude tat, those guys, zero point zero? They know what they're doing so. The thing about is We started doing it, I mean I hate corny things and every time we think of it, so we get, this can either be the courtiers dumbest thing ever or it could be amazing and the fact that we can take something. And be real about it, not have to create drama, another things and make it educate. We can still learn and do something that nobody else has really tried in and make it not. Ridiculous to me is a way what is also doing it on a sportsman channel. You could actually do the whole show right. You can actually do it.

The way you want to do it, they're not gonna fuck with you were a view, doing this on filling them. I name and other cable channel. They would give you a hard time. They just dared not used to hunting. They would try to turn into some bullshit. Reality show predetermine endings that we try to predetermine beats in an intimation they kept people go there's an offer that first, that alligator episode we get charged by Pegana Commission locations, grab it intact, but really the egg is reduced as bear handing everything, and I left it out of the episode because for two reasons, one Dan was filming his on either side of Bush, and so he just didn't actually get that charge on film, but the other part was I caught it in a way that wasn't about the learning aspect of.

The alligator right, so you just an incidental, it just happened. I just get charged tackled this pig how'd you tackle it. I had grabbed a pine, the neck, and then, through it down, grumbling pig wasn't very biggest, luckily hundred grounds, fifty pounds. So I don't even us. Seventy five still cannot see the small be little book. I hear some such harsh jihad, mouth open and the thing was honorary. We put up. You can see the figures we put it on our Youtube channel. I could see the video game. We I put that on the Youtube to how we should show our own. What's the Youtube Channel APEX predator, hurry, Remy, warrior APEX, brighter tv, apex, prayer, tv So nor honor me run our social meares linked to envy

pig, so why are they charge? You did you just don't know just how to fight terrorism, it just fuckers. I think that pig charge. I think that pig had been cut by human before dogs. Recently, I think you ve been let go again. I'll buy dog tags it it looked like had been, so I think it was just already passed enough. Enough. You fucks, that's what you like, but you know I think pigs will do that from time to time these kind of one charge if they feel like it's funny, because that's not that's where we re create something then Dodi dad. This is a recreation, the gravel, while wars everything's a or by the way, and if the female who knows, I think it wild pig at the store. But can you wild boar so weird in a kind of stupid as little by little likely that

charged you is funny, is leaning while industry, it looks at me in there was no lag times bam on me like that, while yeah, that's, probably a piglet, have been fucked with so. Would you there's one of don't go, but I tied it up with I had some p court. Does the whole goals are trying to grab the boar, posing a kill? One and or a pig it could be sought to make some real drawing endangers, think listening instantly charging I mean there was any Miss Second wheeled around became right at me. So the way we wanted to try to bite and try to buy your leg, gator anything is just had mouth open. You come in, and I just jump down

he had abandoned its lack of its neck and then I'm gonna go pick pick him bite its own button. So if you get both of its back legs, it can't buy chip. It's kind of hard to get both Iraqis ain't just kind of getting his back legs getting behind it and then throwing it down putting any on it. In tying it hog tying. While when you let him go now really foggy I'd, let it go It was we intervene, God you there is a will. There is likely there's like a tree stand near by and so damn gets. The trees, then all untie its entire think it it's hangar the tree going, I declare Trieste Enery letter. While it is Joshua Little pay IRA's honour these strolls off. Show those eyes, while is pretty cool, Have you ever been charged by anything else in the wild

not seriously, I mean nothing that term nothing. A life threatening really say have had Elk like wounded Elk, come pretty close to kidnap me that those just because We must step up their just trying to figure out a way to get back to their here if they have made put their heads down and run I antlers first. Exactly so wasn't like a chart is different, yet antlers that the fuckin antlers on l in saying how nature engineered and Elk that that they fall off and grow back career mannion. Really quite if you can harness that growing potential, I think it's way, that's why they put staggering alot of performance, enhancing things the magic powers while velvet, dear antlers spray is human growth hormone enhance her right know of works

but I know that a lot of people were get into that like allow football players which I personally now you can't you. It's illegal t use in the end, if not illegal, to use, but linking the NFL brilliant will as Ok, yeah, I think so. That's return as guiding again at placed for the in the Unifil my future a month ago and use idea. We can use the staggering That's all areas since steroids They have a weird whole, though the whole relationship that football has two steroids is It somewhere away the what the? U have sea has the stars with the USA is more aggressively pursuing and I think the the NFL. If you look at football, players from the nineteen sixties, look at football players for two thousand fifteen. You like, ok, what the fuck happened. What happened? did did humans evolve, did here become much larger, like what happened

this certainly like advancements in Franklin, conditioning programmes, understanding recovery and how to enhance growth and always different things, but there is also steroids is no goddamn David out. It supplements do make a big difference. I address you know anything. Even vitamins and things are the other, but it Besides these fuckers these to be one nineteen other three, thirty five, oh my god different game, those well oh yeah duff. I mean that's the guy on the nineteen twenty seven not wearing how much truth of sixty four sixty seven. They I was still to forty five and nineteen fifty seven that goes unnatural to Alan Page natural to forty five big dude yeah, that's a big fucker That's that's that's a real to forty five, whereas this guy from two thousand six three hundred and thirty five pounds,

these guys are these guys and phenomenal shaped, though the guy that took out his news just and tuck in debt is a big duke, but just strong. Naturally, I wouldn't want to stand. I am against the guy rip. You ass a ridiculous job, crazy running each other giant. Do it's running at each other colliding Billina is, I guess, just getting a car wreck a daily for your job just run. Do another guy, it's just as big well they're starting to realize now the overall effect of all these car rex- and it's not pretty and it's interesting because, as is class action. Lawsuit against Vienna found is all these different people that are saying they're gonna darts suing and all these different players that play. For years and years nears that are now debilitated adjusting their brains have come to toast You see the real sports peace on the denied in scary, thrill, iter, Fine, because the data have all sorts of like very predictable patterns that

just follow in their traumatic brain injury in power of ness, violent outbursts, memory loss and they d essentially become a totally different human being and saw because the brain is and that they, the damage, takes really ten years to fully manifest of they get a mass concussion the real deal? I just like ten years down the line that sets insidious, imagining that, probably for any for contact, sport am amazed real issue real issue and Emma for sure guys are starting to talk about it now, but how mitigated by not sparring, is hard trying to worm spar less and concentrate more strength, conditioning drills, drills skill, skill base, drills for fighting cousins. Old days and some some kind still do it this way they will just go to war three four days a week, they were just glove up and beat the fuck out of each other. That's so they got better and that's how they learned. Stir some some benefit to that

mean becomes normal too much like we're talking about earlier about the mental aspect of just being tough enough to deal with. In situations and not you know not freaking out and not being overwhelmed by your your thoughts like? Oh, my god, I'm suffering yeah, that's that similar martial arts to like one of the sanction. Jujitsu is always you gotta get comfortable with being uncomfortable because Jujitsu, like the sometimes people, panic tap. That is getting a bad situation, it just hurts and I just can't taken they tap, where they really don't tat, was just pain, so do not endanger getting an arm broken you not in danger of being put to sleep. You just uterus and pains to deal with that and recognise its only sensation. I imagine two once you get to a certain threshold. You know I handled this last time. Nothing bad happened, yup said it.

And you can keep moving on. You can like there's also borders, there's like borders when it comes to joints. Things. You shouldn't fight off because, like you have to realise, as you get older, especially you realize, ok the reason why I dont want to tap here be is because of my ego. But if I do tab, then I don't have to the hospital in surgery and my fucking elbow, but if I dont tap I'm going to get my elbow ripped apart and then they're gonna have to reconstruct. It is a done this before so I just and then finally get does the cool thing about you jitsu as you can just tap. Most of the time. That's the case, this occasional injuries, but occasional injuries of you. Do any kind of sport. Will you trying really hard to do something we even tag? Football is theirs hard core injuries with tag football. The moat I read somewhere that most the highest rate of sports injuries

from running soccer is a big one: Ac Elles, ACL reconstructions for Socrates, like one of the biggest methods, or reasons why people tear their ligaments her knees, Billig throw kick their planted, dig they kick in their foot, doesn't move in a body. Torques is top pop. It those guesser, that's one of those things there in pretty good shape by may cause you're running, is for running with what I started doing this. The Gallagher sock I'm not very good at soccer winter, but running up and down hills with soccer ball generally, you gotta control the boss on your decent and things, you you're actually working a lot harder says we do for training, started that so even on the decent you of their control, the ball, you have run out of it or something he outrageous. I try to control like slowed down, ha otherwise, you're chasing a ball you know you hunt, like you, probably not like what. Hundred easier? Some crazy idea? It's been a little bit less, not of new, more tv things and other stuff. But yes,

even though all that you still have to train for hunting yeah yeah, that's a new. After that's a big one: That, I think, is a massive misconception. The public's they think of hunters is being these fat guy to drink beer and go out and shoot animals and laugh about it. You don't realize I those guys like you like you were talking about this. Last time you here, you have this insane veto to max than they when they studied you, for that predator show for your predator shasta. They are they Did your view to MAX, and you like you liked some elite indifference, athlete territory and is correct in, and that is crazy because essentially I've been trained for that, but it's just by hunting. I am training for that. It is an indirect sport. You're out there every day grinding, an up and down mountains in working hard. It's it's a hard now I mean if you're sitting in a tree stand all the time it's different right, but hunting to me is something different and maybe

whenever something with as one of the fun episodes of solar hunter, was you up in a tree? Stan honey? Dear you, like a socks. I hate this away to a dvd for this. Well, that's with doing apex predator ivory. As my biggest mental thing is patience, I have happy. I can all hike all day every day for dears doesn't mean I love it, but tell me to sit down for an hour. I go crazy. I would not do well in prison we probably just get your you're, probably design like over all these years of pursuing spot and stark hunting and going after Elk. Especial it's your specialty, Ryan's Elk had some mountain, climbing and so much hiking up hills and people don't realize how difficult that is. If you don't do it. So, if you don't do that,

I thought pack on your back. You don't realize how goddamn heavy everything is your lungs or would give out exactly like my my legs were fine. I got the first trip I ever did Montana, who went to the there is all this up and down in that slippery shakes my legs refined, but my lungs relax dude. He could prepare it is for this I didn't know. I had no idea tat. You would be this hard. I mean you're you're working hard innovation with weight on your back all the time and for me like me, site, I'm not real big guy, but I can carry a lot of weight for a long ways. I mean I would say body it become a fund. Do I gotta comparison body weight to body weight, carry something up the mountain, because that's what I do all the time I carry animals out from money. My job is premature. Human meal We must develop like really great course, stability to, because it's all about balancing that heavy weight.

On your back and then walking with it and you you have to stay tight like every can ouch over it getting getting. You stood the wait like say just you used to that kind of pressure and pain in your eyes. Get through. Human beings are very adaptable, resist its amount, like going on and on, and I have friends that don't work out in one of the most hilarious things over was taken when my friends, who was a comedian who doesn't work out to the gym, and work out like it just a fairly easy work out and watch them. Just below and gray and look like he was dying and heaving and coffee and hang onto the did, the work every time you needed in between sets was hilarious. It's like you, realize, like this guides. Here's. What does what he looks like when it's never been pushed yeah allow it to live for thirty five years on booze and and shady food, and then you take him too. Jim. I want to get in shape cork among bringing to the Germans. Please don't killing a put you through a vote,

the normal, marginal work out, nothing, crazy, no hill sprints! No clean and jerks! No dead lifts, nothing nutty! I just want to get you do in some pusher. Bear crawls a couple Chin absent does do see the body reacting, but if he had just done it does nothing exceptional about a person's body. You can do pushups and snore normal stuff. You just have to do it, but if you did it to do one out one set of day we're how making can do five. Ok do five today tomorrow tried to five again was to this for week. Just do that for a week and then at the end of the week. Let's work up to six whisky, crazy, Charlie six today, and if you just do that for six months guesswork, De twenty genotypes doesn't seem like it works that way, but it really does just gonna put in the numbers and with guy, like you you're putting in the numbers for your hunting in your ways. Did it's a part of your normal like every time I go,

I can with Renault ICES Laughter, fuckin mountain goat. I can't keep up with them and you know he's just doing and every day he doesn't get tired, like you behaving in health and no matter how good a shape. You think you are in downloading it gets you prepared for doing. That is doing that. That's that's exactly because I've I've taken out and hunted with a few professional athletes. These guys are human specimens of the highest degree like may physically, and then they hiking with me? Absolutely please don't get like now. I train, for this is what I do run health or whatever you put me. If I'm gonna go bench Presley human present is not going to happen. But where are the heavy pack on my back and undertake forever that's a good way of putting it he'll fit you fit for what you do what do you? What do you use for like a pack was your equipment when you like, when you pack out me what kind of pact I use either an internal framer external frame,

What company do you use? I just start using a kifaru pack, pretty good. It's actually used when a long time ago, when they first start icicle FARC of Argo, I M a are you can keep up its? It looks like Keefer Gallagher Rhino simple, are either use that are for an external frame. I've been using outdoorsman One willing, outdoorsman outdoorsman, Stockholm lab yeah, that's what Renault is at an end they ve designed these packs

primarily for guys, like you that are gonna, do what you did in Alaska, yet we're gonna walk hours and hours and hours with giant slabs of meat on your back and that's yes, special gear for a special task as it puts the weight on you on your ships in your sanctum gets yes rate above your tailbone there, because you don't want the wait one above your hips, you get for mobility, can move but can distribute the way through the frame tier to your hips. And yet you can put some serious, wait, somebody's packs and go. I mean no joke I've, I've pact out a whole Elk myself in one trip before one trip out on my instagram of this one. This dude we took every piece in the ribs, everything like boned out and I've got a pack loaded with me and then I'm dragging too cautious tightened up. This little is vertical guys,

in that regard, her anything you're much when I showed up, but I don't get on you said that's if you're using a short USA is like a mile and a half so just said, fuck this is due on one job and back news, two miles uphill for I'd, say: half a mile, some like that and then the rest was downhill, Sophia and when you did that Alaska trip like how long did it to recover? There's you drive that's a whole Elk Bailey. Basically, here I made of it when I took their picture might ahead some of it out at the top already. I can't remember it's love FARC and where or how long did it take you to recover from that that Alaska trip, I mean I recover pretty quick, as during the days I mean when eight sit down. I cover I mean I guess afterwards me and my brother gorged, like two bears a fresh chill,

we got back to Kodak and we ate at this pizza place. It is probably the best military in my life, I don't wait a year will just have to wait for the weakest. My god is made world is many calories, as we could. We were under urgent gorgeous innate in neat and slept the whole next day, so its aid Dave sod recovery. So crazy at such a wild experience that that Cardiac Island man was a subject? that television show that was really controversial because it had James Hatfield from Metallica was the narrow you know that that yeah how's bear hunting there It was a great wealth filled with fuckers. I've heard it. Air sounds in the bushes and the commission can work the same bears out at every commercial brings, which you see? whereas then they commercial,

and then some see g bear like from Kabila's big Game hundred videogame. There was, it was so bad was like there's one scene with these guys we're stuck in this bare and goes about to pull the trigger on his bow, and then they cut to commercial, and then they come back and then all suddenly got has never jacket and his packs, not there at like, is in the same scene, but did he take his power or you re in acting, as did you forget, he wore a jacket. There was a lot of fun Gary Man there was, and then I took this due to work on the set. And he was explained to me how much factory was going on that and many more such as I'm dying, mother, creating drawn and at length, but yeah there's I was watching some other Alaska show and there's supposed to be about like Wolf has come and eat our cows and we're gonna go, kill this wolf and then there's the wolf and then the gag it's off the horse and shoots the will and

being a hunter. I mean you can immediately spot bullshit. They instantly Athos the Wolf on, and it is this. What they had been shot days I mean the thing: had: rigour mortal eyes are sunk in India. Look like aims folded out in the freezer meal. I rather laughing. So I guess I suppose they tied it on the horse and is just a step toward us going to give us a stupor. They pretended shrouded Tupid there was, one episode of the last frontier than I watch where They were fishing I just really badly acted thing. We like to bear this pair, I hear bear I'd, start freaking out. We gotta get out of here the bears. Commentary is looking right over there and you look over there. There is eating a full laid salmon. They fillet of the meat off the salmon inlets. I clearly caught it like. You, can't get a slice

is totally obviously on the store. They lay. This work in full laid salmon out there, the bones in the head and everything they laid out there for the bear to eat. So the bare would like a close link. It film it their pretending. It's coming after them. Look like you do watch your show? Now now you got me, you can watch it. One thing is really cool about your show in Ramallah. By the same way, as does Jim Shockey. That uncharted show that he has amazing. Isn't I'm busy little show it's more like it's more like a cultural exploration, shell than and even his hunting show. I mean he goes. Places and eventually shoots in animal, but he's, unlike the weird, spots on earth really dangerous war, torn areas and he's ball, hunting a fuckin, goat or something. That's that's! That's where it comes into the the adventure aspect of it is welcome as so many aspects to hunting the benefit is the meat. But while you're getting your meat, you get these rich experiences.

Can't get any other way. Will you get a deeper understanding of life itself in in the sense of actual bias. Logical life on earth. You got a deal understanding not just experiencing it from a video or reading an article about it, but from actually in there in the environment. Where these things live, you get it. The other thing is, you can be a part of nature, not just a watch, her nature not survive the under even doing the apex predators, show I'm looking at the way animal lives and in trying to see how humans compare and then go. Do it and doing it part, is completely different from the watching. It part I can watch the great blue Heron do something in theirs it. The Heron episode. Obviously, there's some things at a ridiculous like I decide to go into a river wearing stilts, simply trying to make entertaining television, but an anniversary is asking to be. One of those things are like the filet SAM

I shall now that's the last thing I want. So I look there the great blue, Heron Bird Birdwatching fur Majorian first part like watching the way these animals do something and by watching my thought, I understood it, and then I went in it in a similar fashion, where I am now putting myself experience of dealing with it. Like water, refraction, deep water clarity, trying sneaking in and beyond the elevator platform and the experience of do it. I learn something about that bird, that I would never learned otherwise, and it was like this light on moment, where I thought: okay, even in these in MRS Sommer, ridiculous things I'm learning something that I can't learn by observing. I have to learn by doing now. Are you using a Bower spear spear, a spear and light fraction of MILAN standard with boning. You have to issue

in the water, like maybe six inches below, where you think these fishes yes, so it it d It varies on water clarity, angle of the sun, depth of the fish, and there is some it's at some point. I realized the fish were so deep that the spear wouldn't even really reach them with enough force for peace. Duration. So how did it was that account how much penetration in selling for deep he's doing steeps us like three feet. So three Vive. So by the time the spear view throw the spear by Tom, it gets down the first stage of their ghost. They see a common area. Who did you get it Tommy I Euler yes, boiler, don't do it get. You know where you can find their effects better dad Tv S, that's what I hear I hear it APEX predator Don T more more tyres in by the season for forty nine nine years or so,

channel every Thursday. My dvr has four of the coyotes episodes on for some reason: some widely Yankees it he's got all kinds: airing Ternata things like a couple times on Thursday Coz its eastern. And Pacific, which I wasn't Smirnov to figure that out to me had itself in that respect. I gonna, if plays a date, over here it over there, sir. How many of these things have you done? Six episodes, things you going continue to more observe. Did you really determine that is people's involvement in viewing viewers, ship and other things which I think it's. This is show that I've seen play shows in this issue that I want to watch nuts. I want to make a show that I want to watch, and so this is where we attempted to users show that I want to watch. So it's got one viewer me and if I do, there s, not enough I'll, get you like it, but you know: Billy Babo react like it as well,

I enjoyed it. I mean I've only seen the one, the Kyoto with a Buffalo episode, but I really enjoyed it. I think, is a really well done show like all the zero point. Zero shows their graves. They do Anthony Board and show they do. The mediator show that this is a great company. They just know how to do it. They do array production, nay, they can take a concept that seems out there and just one wishes you you have to watch to understand. I could talk about it, but if you really want to see, if you like now. You have to watch it. I think guys, like you, are really important in the world of hunting, because year this year, what you represent is what doesn't fit. These guys have this stereotypical idea of what a hunter is. The stereotype, idea. What a hunter is. A person does know any hunters. They want to think of them as he's loud mouth drunken dummies, you don't really care these public type characters,

and renewal flies in the face of that, as does Jim Shockey. As do you think it's, it's really important people don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, because this Those people are repulsive yeah, the people who would mean. The assholes it like laugh and mock these animals as their shooting people were. Drugs are going out there in an irresponsible use of funds arms and weapons ye re. I agree with you as much as anybody. That's listening, someone who disperse dish specks the lives of their taking you know and and and Does it in this really repulsive way there? I am a great. I am with you. If you're in Anti Hunter because of those people. I would probably if they were all like that. I would be like that too. But that's not what hunting has been expanded, as has been explained to me as I experience from Gaza Ryan Callaghan from guys like you from

The people out there that I run into that are real. Hunters have been very respect. For very fascinated by it intrigue com, currently curious as to the nature of these animals and super respectful of the live these animals that they take. You know I think too. It is because for a long time people, I think, there's a lot of hunters. They have very similar views to myself and for a long time they just haven't had a surly the ability of the pulpit to show that there's other people out there like that executive. When I first started, I've always want to get in hunting television and when I first started trying to break into it, I got a criticism that I, what

there is a business model. Is that Bubba Hunter guy? And I wasn't that guy he now and so that the person and tell me what? If you really want to do this, then you need to do whatever and I was on a hunt and shot a deer and it was like. I was told that I need to celebrate in summit extravagant fist pumping type way and I I did it for that moment and I immediately regret- I felt horrible. I felt like this. Isn't me and if this is what it is unwilling to do this- and I got it- was like in that right there told me If this is that industry in this is that I don't want to be a part of this, but then I thought was in others. Probably other people out there like me that if they had the chance to do it, how just be myself,

and into it, and they will recognise that and may be changed the whole the whole way things are going and that's my goal. I mean it be awesome to be a part of the people that change the way people see hunters because I think there is the ability to make that change, because there is a lot I was out there that respect nature, respect the animal, see it as a whale Life and not just as some crazy bubble guy out there who in hollerin fist, pomp and induce thing in not respecting the what have that the lack of appreciation for the life tat you just taken and also the the lack of understanding of the complexities of the whole situation is also one of the disturbing things about the whole quorum called Bubba thing like gum that does show. That you put on like we're, going good and we got a good and you are like the failings Yassum, because there's there's don't get me wrong. There

nothing wrongs being cited right because and it's a different kind of excitement. It's in excitement where you're excited for it's hard to explain the type of exciting because it it's. I took an animal, but I'm excited because of that challenge in what it represents Jimmy like it, it went through this is not always a solemn moment, but it's an excitement in this very deep moment where you did take the life of an animal, and you need to respect that and for me I always have unexpectedly our journey to get to that point, and so for me to smile behind an animal to me means it's not just right you something now being with a big animal that you shot you're very happy. It all worked out well smiling, but people do they think you ve gotta be somber. You ve just killed you ve just taken a life or why

If you respect the life, if you're happy that it all worked out well, you're you're, you're, you're be with your accomplishment, your hard work paid off. Lightwood can't you smile is disrespectful. The life you ve taken to smile does the life any less significant. If you dont smile or do smile doesn't change anything, but what I think you will you bring to the table and what, in our guys, like shaggy or Renault, I bring to the table is a level of of intellectual capability, a level of the ability to communicate, really complex. Situations to the average person doesn't ever get involved with taking the life of an animal to fruit communicate that away where someone can be listen. This path Gas is one thing that I get from people that listened to the park gas, it hunters on they go, and I never had this opinion of hunting until I listen to these guys in these podcast we had this really negative, really stereotypical view.

What a hunter is and now kind of understand it and I've gotten like guys on my message board, there's guys on my message board that have evolved over the time they ve been there where they were their years ago and they had this idea, like all hunters, are assholes and then time went on the kind of been exposed to all these different people, and all these differ conversations. They realize o were we're just involved in this weird culture that has this this part monopolization of various aspects of living, the big one is where you get your food from so there's people that are criticised people to do it themselves. This what better way the fur the animal to die than by hunter. There really is no better way if you shoot a deer or an elk, and that animal is dead within seconds. That is the most peaceful way, its ever gonna die. They mean pure way. You ever gonna call me it's so much.

Less struggle and less less but suffer ring, then being domesticated animals its rays to be slaughtered. It so much then being killed by a predator out. The wildest gonna slowly eat you asshole first, you know I mean. There's is no better way. If you really truly love animals, you ve gotta Toto account a few undeniable truth. One, is at populations need to be controlled and they are controlled natural way with predators When we live in those environments, you have to pick a team, If you're gonna say team people will, then you gonna have to control the predators as well, and you have to go the game. Animals because look tried living in upstate New York, where you came and drive down the road without slamming into a suicidal dear me, endeavours places where they have to control the populations of dear so badly. They have taken Pennsylvania. Then we will have a season whose parts of pennsylvania- or you can just go and just shoot dear,

the time and he's like suburban areas. They didn't episode of bone collector on it is these guys got up in a tree stand the summer that is fuckin, shootin, dear left and right they're everywhere, because their deep, four run an enormous gettin dear ticks people getting Well, I'm disease because of it. This theirs, lot more to war. Conning, is and to what what it wrapper, and so the people that are involved in it, then the barber image and there's the thing that always makes me laugh is the Let's say I will just released more predators to control like fear, although animal population neutral like make it, but or humans like before shoe. They are the. What did I say it was fine before we got here and I was left. When is when we got here. You mean why people who has a is a wasp, be out of the compromise before we got here before people came across the land like humans and animals have been especially an archive on any kind, have been.

Coexisting for a very long time in humans have been a prime hunter of these animals, as well as our predator in the natural food chain. The animals we didn't hunt no longer exists. I haven't seen a t rex and long time we ran around for they exert that's the arguments. Do you know if you want to really bring it back to the old days, a submarine dinosaurs? Exactly like we would how much main arguments with how human beings brains developed is too large. Size is because of hunting because as fisticuffs methods that we need to employ to make sure that we kept eating food it in one of the things that, like looking at a peck, spreader, really kind looks like humans and animals and and We how we have adapted and learn from nature. If you, if we were out there, ok will ya brains it all comes back to? We have.

Every animal out there can possibly beat us in a certain way or whatever his specialised. Certainly, but it comes back to our brains. We can figure out how to do what they do best and that's what the show explores, how we figure out how to do it. They do best and see how we compare to it and a lot of times. We may not compare in in a certain way it comes back to using our brains and figure out a way to make up for those adaptation It ain't episodes this year, you did the coyote, the Wolf Alligator one of the examples in Algeria. Golden Eagle, yes, always the Cairo and was looking at that Catalan painting, but using high skin in effect, so the coat the Wolf the Golden Eagle the great blue hair and the river otter and the american alligator, and if you

One you're done with all this. What are your next ideas we ve got? I want to do so. Even it's called apex, predator, but sometimes titles of shows me recently, because I will also look at every aspect of nature, not just predators, because I think there's a lot of other animals that can teach thing so were reconsidering humans is an apex predator. How did we get to this point, learning from nature as well as these changes we ve made. So one thing I would like to do is look at camels. The way they carry water humans are camel can carry water in humans. Are one of the only predators can carry water, see. Think of that as an advantage in how we compared to a camel like how much water came a howling making go stages of dehydration, I'd like to explore that and in hung in a desert situation for an animal that necessarily not. I won't be hunting for camels and trust me I'd. That's not only when you didn't but another desert.

Out or something and in very Eric climate. What else there is some I'd really like to look at the way Mount lions there there so quite when they walk, and so these you look at the Sinhalese episodes You just see it as a thirty minute episode, summaries episode, I've train for months to repair to do this episode. The Wolf episode ammunition training running doing a lot of things to prepare myself to be able to attempt to run and helped him and one these episodes that we had slated then idea. I was training force Mounting up said where I compare how Mount lines like the amount of noise they make when they walk, is very little. I've had him swap pass me never heard a thing was measure colored measure, how loud amount line is when is walking and then us with their boots on us with their bare feet, and then so and then going do a hunt, barefoot and so for months. I was training to hard my feet and get him tough enough where I could go in the desert and hunt

oh barefoot, we ended of not doing that episodes of four months after caught me here, but just this is obviously a failure toughening like these, and we have to do that all over again, but there is that's one of em, and we ve got a lot getting crazy ideas. There's a lot lot. A cool animals out there that I'd like to explore how we have did you get your feet? I can walk for awhile and not worry about it, but We just got thickly calloused, and yet there are italian journalist. I think what I've noticed is more of a century thing. Your feet, don't necessarily get thou. Much tougher use, learning to feel the ground. We have seen that dude from dual survivor: the walks everywhere, barefoot he's such a goofball, It's like one of those shows where you know these guys like for sure that some fucker gone on the show for sure, but this guy it where's no shoes like you that this is

idea that you know to really truly survive. You gonna have to go without choose because occasionally you find yourself no shoes and be fact as you feed or soft, so he doesn't want to be in that situation says feeders there always hard. It does toughen your feet. I did I before I did. I do like a lot of research. Some there's some key he's out there. That are all about this. Like new shoe thing and there's deeds that talk about dry. Like a fake, say in the law on your foot, seek you can't go into place, as you know, like no she's, no shortness service, they got all these like tricks of making like a wrote, a pair accord, fake c and also people notice that you barefoot and how do I get into it and start by going on varying terrain and actually had to spend while is trying to from my feet. I spent some time in places like cruising down downtown away, you're skid row barefoot. That is a good way to think of a disease of that's exactly glass and all kinds.

The Mediterranean near Skid row when the cops polio over we do need an I'm training for our hunting challenge of fuck get another exact. That's all you gotta do is so there's that we ve got a lot of a lot of them, slate, a lot of different animals. I want to look at trapdoor spider. They are called me, trap door, spite outdoor spider. What are they? It's a spider that hides and then, when something comes by jumps out real fasting grabs it so one to build some kind of hobble in weight in it and try to grab a deer. Something comes all kinds of fun stuff like that, when you grab the dear, we tried going to try to kill it like with a knife or something or I think, on those type of episodes. I probably let it go I have the opportunity to let it go in, and I me Linda

the guy just like how much do you communicate with people that are critics of honey? I don't communicate with very many people ever voice out to stuff, You mean like, in my day to day I d ever, have issues with people that have problems with honey. Don't that's one of them, things about hunting that, I think is kind of weird is theirs. There's not a lot of community Sean there's like the converted, like preacher the choir and then there's these other people that have these misconstrued ideas, misconceptions about what honey as and they don't seem, one of them. I do not see me at another talk that often I've seen were now. I have conversations with people. There were cut anti hunters night. I guess you know. Actually, in my day to day I do have a lot. It conversational people, it aren't hunters, but there are also people that are close to me.

And then yeah like family members that are hunters years funny. As my brother's girlfriend comes from a family that not hunters like she's, the typical yogi type, that would never consider hunting, she didn't like eating very much gave me, and now this year she went and got a hunter safety is going ahead. Elk were because I think, when you really sit down and think about it. If talking to somebody that, like myself, arena peoples it how are or like minded to me there's a lot of things that we can pull from that if you just actually had a real conversation, take out all the bullshit of the area, even on both sides. I call like the hunting propaganda and the non hunter propaganda things that your tone he thinker when are you actually have a real conversation about it? sense printing make sense. It makes sense and also the it sounds bizarre and contradictory, but its very spiritual, there's something it sounds

I don't know it's no you're taking alive. I get all the arguments. I understand the arguments but telling you there's something, there's something even psychedelic, about going into their world and hunting them, dipping your toe into the the while the true wild there's. Something like this Andrea, dissolving about that it. It changes the way I looked at the whole world. It really did like the first time on when deer hunting that one of the crazy things about. It was looking at this dear look locking eyes with this thing in the wild and understanding the rules that we have my role as a predator that his role was trying to get the fuck away from me and then making its life and killing anemia nose like this is a spiritual experience, a deeply spiritual parents in a weird way that I didn't anticipate. I anticipated a being Maybe somber and

I would have to get over the sadness of it all, and then I might now you want to do it again. Maybe I'll just become vegetarian, those real considerations that I had, but after the event, I felt like what so there's something that most folks are missing about this experience, and I think it's because it's been read very poorly represented in our culture by media by these, but the, the stereotypical Bubba type by all. These different did different this is of information and of sort of filter down to the average urban civilization, inhabitant, they did, we don't we We don't have a connection to it so Basing our opinions on it is based on stereotypes on on these immediate depictions of what a hunter is yeah, it's so those kind of false ideas. But then, when you, if you actually get to talk to someone, but is also losing you talk about it, we talk.

And we're sitting here talking about it until you go through that experience. You necessarily dont know what it feels like what it means, what it means to you. My mom's stepped at it come Grandpa. He is lost fishing big out, like loves nature, hiking other things went, hunting, shot a bird felt really sad, never went hunting, but I was his experience. So everybody has a dip, maybe experiences in a different way, but you really don't know until you jump in India that experience the talk to someone who had similar experiences dear shouted dear and the dearest moaning when I was on the ground, Mugabe's crazy noises and never one hunting again right yeah, it just depends on maybe year your experience, but also, I think it depends on how your reason for going up get if you earn have never hunted before, and you say to yourself. I would like to go hunting because I, like

the eat, less meat that I don't working from be more involved in that process. If you went out and said, I have a gun, that, maybe one day like tat in my house only things that I've killed even before you even killed anything you go without mindset and then it becomes a utility thing. It becomes like a part of your process for your life and I think it affects you differently, because you, there's a reason for us. There is like I'm, I'm I'm eating animals anyways, I'm killing animals anyway. I'm eyes will be part of the process. Are you killing them with your credit card and your money to be else that maybe you're not seeing it, but it's happening it's not going to

happen in its handling as a direct result of your choices that something that we convened. We try to distance ourselves from here, so you can be part of that process. Then it's not something Emmi is AIDS is a different experience. It really is very hard to explain, but I think we we sit here for how long explain it would take Asia. Is it's very hard for people involved to that? Ass? Aren't contrast rates me and I don't know what I get a lot of a lot of people want social media. Whatever that have listened like found me through your podcast or whatever, and a lot of them have

jumped into hunting, and there is still a lot of them they're trying to figure out how to do it not say. The main question I get asked is is how I get into her, how how would someone get into it? Really? I mean the first in getting the Hunter safety new legal requirements, because once you have that the new barriers to entry or slowly getting less and less and then really just getting hooked up with somebody that handsomely, thus through hunting conservation organizations. I think there's a big. Step up and gilded summaries event, because I thought there's a lot of conservation organizations that you can join say: Wild Sheep Foundation or elsewhere. Nation and you go out on these projects and do something for while I builder guzzler recede in area its burnt. Do all these things are conservation efforts that are done by hunters, any meat, other people, because hunters, if you, if you meet him in the flesh or probably really willing to help you out. If you

like I really want to get into the city. Gotta find the right type, a guy to or woman or whatever, to get into that these ways to have somebody like a mental, this place where a hunted moose. I should tell me what this guy he's awesome. Big country, outfitters dot, see a ties in northern BC, my cockroaches a guy, who is the main guide, is gonna gods air as well that that work with them, but I hear as that with people than ever hunted before you take issue the whole deal. Take you through the whole economy. Turning to you how to shoot explaining to you, you know how to breathe. When you pull the trigger. How do you know wait wait, shot place. Man aiming to know how, to the whole deal. He'll take you through the whole day stocking hunting butchering the whole deal and his is about as real a guy is you can get to. I love that dude he's fucking awesome had a great time with them

and he's one of the few outfitters that I know that that welcomes people have never had any hunting experience whatsoever, and he has some disasters stories because of the happy people, panic and a freak out, and that those are my favorite people to guide the because they don't come in with an expectation. And of something that this year I mean there, hundreds of it have just expectations and I'm not ok with and so get people bitter are looking for a new experience they there for the experience like people that go in with the expectation of a certain size, animal we are or like you know. I think that the or the like they they pay for a hunt. I don't sell animal, I'm I'm out very saw in a hunting experience. I take you hunting, and so you and animal does just gives you. Huntings mean you're going to kill something yeah, not possible. No, it's not! no one here there aren t they have your new and you there for the experience, you're learning something where he kills him you're. Not. Obviously, you wanted shoot something. That's the end goal, that's the result, but it's so much more than that.

It is? It is so much more than I do hope. These conversations do help. I think they do. I think that I think that people learn from them, and I think that- where's we're doing our part to express what we ve learned with for you. It's your whole life. For me, it's just over the last four years, but it's it's not what people think it is If you're tired of these conversations go fuck yourself, I'm tired, you know no one with a pig's predator dot tv apex, predators on sportsmen Channel Thursday night at eight o clock on both coasts Remy Warren on Twitter r e m. I Instagram and Instanter Remy worn at when we want your gear awesome. Dude man really appreciate having yon, then fund is awesome any time and we had a hunt one day. Let's go L cunning in Montana with some bows: let's do it reset it. Ok, we'll set up right now. Would you set it up affairs? Did I love you? oh I'll, be back tonight at eight o clock with Aubrey Degree Anti. Aging specialist

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