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#808 - Michael Wood, Jr.

2016-06-13 | 🔗
Michael A. Wood, Jr. is a retired Baltimore police officer and veteran of the USMC. He previously made the news for publicly speaking out against police brutality and has become a proponent of a new era of policing. A young man who met Michael as a child, when Michael was a cop volunteering a recreation center, found Michael to talk about how much the experience affected him as well. He's now trying to continue his growth, please help him here: http:///gofundme.com/domstrip2cuba
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go stamped com before you do anything cooking the microphone top the homepage i've been j r e stamps dot com entered j r d you mother fucker sets it we did it we got through it i know you'll do these adds man doesn't box capitalism we needed this podcast is with michael would junior and michael would you might recognize his name was i guess about a year ago he is retired baltimore police sergeant and he is very interesting guy very bright and outspoken about the problems with not just law enforcement but institutional racism that he found in baltimore it is now really working hard to promote a positive message and to offer some solutions to some of the problems but he found while he was in law enforcement and some of the problem that he sees all throughout the world today in terms of wet weather
a crime or drug use or giving people a pause the direction towards a future really really good dude i enjoy having come on i really enjoyed talking to him so please welcome michael would logan experience you block ass fine ass alive welcome back mr would much rather body goods been allowed for people dont know michael was a former you were fought well you never really former marine right is not one of those things we are marine you stay marine ok bye i was worried about if i would have stayed maybe but for the marines who agree with that ok you were marine former sergeant in the baltimore police department and you came on the podcast while back and expose them pretty i opening
information about how the the whole city some sort of works in this sort of outcome a closed loop in and baltimore where the same neighborhoods having the same kind of crime in the same sort of scenarios overrun again and that was a really important projects for me and was really important podcast for a lot of people listen to because they got exposed to let the inner world kings of police department by someone who is emu i was really be how honest you were about all of it about the thrill of chasing people and all of the cool stuff about it and we schedule despite gas quite a while ago crazy that you're coming in the weekend after these seen shootings in orlando m i'm absolutely not happy that that happen but i'm happy is happy that could be
you're here while this is all going down and we get to canada talk about these these moments these insane moments that happen it seems like a few months or so some new insane moment happens we're some person usually a man blows a fuckin fuse and wines up killing a ton of people i don't know what if anything anymore being maybe you'll have some insight what if anything could ever be done to stop sunlight this this is where we get into the microbes a dirty liberal thing when edward and start talking about gun control because i'd i don't know what else we can talk about only other option is to continue was cycle of more and more force upon one another so what we know for sure without a doubt that the path we're goin
it is only a matter of time before this record is broken right so what we're doing will result in that but we this anti intellectual ism in america that just won't take that evidence and apply it to what we know is going to be the end result they we have countries that have done gun control they don't have my shooting we have mass shootings literally on the daily in america you just don't hear about em all so where mass shootings gently characterize three or four more casually something like that but this happens every day in these cities doesnt really yeah you don't hear about it will when it's a backyard barbecue shooting in the right right yes all you can think of is that a lot of people don't categorized those as mass shootings cause a thing of mass shootings is someone going into a crowd of placing killing a much a civilian are innocent people should say whereas they think of those kids of shootings in the herd as right
gangs people competing over drug dealing territory things on those lines which is another point because you were running for you you wanted to be the head of police of chicago still going on no they certainly the corruption went in and as we could tell the story of a quick what they did is they did a national search so laws and chicago said that this point at police board has to do nationwide search and then they give three name and to the mayor the mayor investigates those people and then chooses one so i predicted they were going to go with me i am too far ahead still that that knows really ready to take that bite yet but it still something we you talked about in they would have had the opportunity i figured they would pick that i visited pick a black eye who was educated and not from chicago
was my prediction and that's who the police board did choose they chose a guy from atlanta who fit that bill to tee who's gonna be the black guy that represents the police department but still totes they're lying i'm thinking of word that everyone knows and i'm just not saying it so you can pick up a lamb suggesting you sure uncle tom and some people have an uncle tom he's a nice guy area of an uncle and his name's timed and whereby so that's what they're gonna look for something that wealth visually seem satisfying i lay there in structurally be exactly the same way they so they chose that guy and the mayor still said dear what that guy and when she was this guy then you would apply and that is the commission so who is this gather didn't imply he was couple ranks down
already in the aid and see he is he said that he has never seen misconduct or corruption in the chicago police farm in his entire twenty some your career he he is intimately tied into a cheating scandal promotional test another but you could solve easily so his foot and like wife or so think that number one lieutenants test which is extremely qualifying says i and soon is the information comes down that he actually was the one that was developing the tests had the answers in this she gets this super high score out of nowhere knows when everybody says oh come on we ve seen this before we know what it is so you could solve it you could return them right does it first of course now so that i could do that the idea of any interest in exposing thing so if i'm gonna come in there and i'm gonna say right that's it we're gonna be transparent
ok so no when you say that you were a little too far ahead of what do you mean by that it seems the people of a city or of any area have to be pushed hard enough to have that change like they have to have that breaking point where they say that's it we're gonna do something different because what i really push is for civilian control policing i want you guys to tell me what what should be done which is a huge drop in power so that that would require a mayor that's willing to give in to the people that have pushed hard enough to say look i'm gonna relinquish control of my essential armed wing and i'm gonna give it to the people and so it would have been done before back and am aware of not in america certainly hadn't so who's gonna be the city that takes that leap it has to come it has two we all know it so
that is what we have tried to do in some areas like in new jersey in particular is force these people to integrate more into the community make them walk the beat which is not like you don't hear about that anymore now everyone's and car and you driving around this closed up vehicle whereas before everybody walking around in your sort of like go there's officer mike he's up the community and they get became nor to see these people they develop friendships with people that were in their neighborhood there are patrolling and it sort of radiated them more i think haven't a bunch of people that you don't know patrolling your streets with guns in a car just driving around and you know hardly ever getting out unless they're arresting somebody that's that's a little odd right well yeah but i don't see that that the foot patrol is the solution to that because what they do they put a facade on it so they make it look like forbidden
oh but it still has its essential underpinnings of of being motivated to go and make arrests and to get the stats so i did for patrol for six months and that's what it was it was being thrown into get drug arrest i didn't know any body or meet any body was still those seem pushing to get some i put a minute in a prison cell do the paperwork go back out into it again so what we really need is change the incentives and disincentives so that no matter what the right we're still going towards that objective that actually serves you right i had psmith in the other the decent hilarious standard comedian these also why now this podcast called legion of skaggs is a libertarian verse market but he was he was bringing up a point about york after the shootings in new york were a bunch cops had gotten shot down was this sort of cool off period where they had
just stopped arresting people for bullshit the bullshit arrests like loose cigarettes things along those lines just dropped substantially and people were really excited about that there will i love this is like a good step but this is really how it should be the police shouldn't be glorified red new collectors just arresting people for that the taxes lost unloosed cigarettes and that's what killed their garner right precisely means disgusting it's it's not does not policing because i've written anybody policing should be protecting and serving right now i am really glad that you brought up that instance in new york so what that is direct evidence against with the head of the fbi has set call me who's coming in these pushing this ferguson effect right so the idea around there's you know we have crime going up in these different ever its causes is ferguson effect that the cops or lay in bed
acts of their not being as proactive and because their not being proactive then they're not rock and people upso stats are going up and we know that if you have a theory and there's one situation this as your theories complete crap will your theories complete crap and that's what new york was so new york they they stepped back and they they wanted to be a welcome what you need us and in word adds didn't show that he has showed lower crime they had less cause for service everybody was happier with what was going on because that is its we want to say that policing should prevent things and it's just not possible police are there to clean things up and to investigate after the fact every a rash should be viewed as a failure of the system we should
praise and arrests that is when we failed that's an interesting we're looking at it i think another way to look at it that's maybe more and more common ground is you you're fucking with people when you when you around him all the time and you like what's going on over their boys you know like that kinda shit you're fucking with them you creating tension intention creates arguments he creates crime creates resentment it creates anger all those things contribute to crime on a percent and when you fuck with people over loose cigarettes or any sort of nonsense petty crime that nobody gives a shit about that kind of stuff is an it's not good for anybody not good for the relationship the police have a citizen's it's not good for the present of the citizens of other the way they view the police you make some view the police as these these thugs which citizens though a significant amount and the citizen is country very much alike that the fact that that please do that while the didn't live there right but
they were poor and they lived in those communities they wouldn't feel rights it and so that's you you always do that you hit on these big issues because your job like we'll wait this is obvious it's right in front of our faint here and what they're doing is is the the are funded and they also you have a mayor in baltimore the mayor directs the police departments way no matter what city or in and but that person is doing is their serving those those rich people their serving the mass voter of the area who just have that integrity still that they want those animals caged in a man a man and keep him there so as long as it does not affect us then who cares that's really but you're hitting on there is is that beach
i dont know that more of this country doesn't want our police to be that way i think they will be happy about it i think you're probably right but i think there are misinformed and i think they have this this incorrect understanding of how that affects the people that these cops are in acting with and that it actually does probably create more crime and then on top of that i think also the problem with that those people that are in those poor communities could just as easily be your eye if we are born the situations and we're talking about people an opportunity to get out given people possibility to get out and do better and and improve their situation are standing life while if they're getting fucked with all the time that's not gonna happen there is a terrible poverty will lead crime laden community good luck with that good luck get nanda
arms almost insurmountable and i think it's real convenient for people to be outside of that and look at those focusing over those people need to stop doing crime where needed you just lock them all up well that's that doesn't seem to make sense it seems much more likely that the best way to hand that is the lock him up less and too sort of somehow another trade combat area down and i don't know how you do it i mean whether its through some universal basic income idea which i've been paying a lot of tension to that lately in trying to explore those ideas and see if i can readily call me a socialist you talk about minimum wasn't items that you know is an idea that anyone brought up on the pot casanova initially laughed at him i was like pipes nobody's gonna fuckin go for that then i start reading some articles on it and i start thinking about in the financially the issue is where that money come from and you're obviously gonna it's a shit tunnel money
it's gonna have to some are another come out of something else and a model i'm not a financial person on our stand call me i'm not an economist so i'm not the person to do the numbers but when i think about it like a actively as far as far from a social stance when people will have less problems when bills are paid easier when they're more relaxed as far as like we're foods coming from where you know what basic needs are covered their less likely to commit crime so it just makes sense that you would have to spend less money online horsemen less money on prisons less money on jails and that perhaps that could translate was a great article written by sifted flour jimmy's is some prominent libertarian who wrote this piece about universal basic income as the ideas essentially giving people thirteen thousand dollars a year that if you give me
can start winos is essentially a thousand bucks plus a month then if you did that you would take care a shitload of problems that we have an inner cities and crime and all this and he sort of outlined it and made a pretty interesting case for this idea but of course you ve gotta people that want to go on and on about welfare babies and and and people that are doing this storm and buying cigarettes with food stamps and things on those lines but it's like this callous sort of protein to dealing with really poor people and really bad neighbourhoods and one i think you brought up about baltimore that made it so disturbing was that black people had to buy houses in these areas they would not sell houses in certain areas to black people and that this was like a law and this was exe written answers are not like everybody conspired this was something that they
actively set out to do they do this idea of cage m keeping the man they think they literally did that through paperwork and that's so things are you're talking about unlike that's sociologist that that has at study we we know these things so what would your observing is is things that the scholarly community has known for a long time and is trying to to get these things out there so that people understand this is not even a matter of how much is this going to cost because we're already spending the money spending a lot more this book is why i mean i just finished going to raise just put up so this is by johns hopkins researcher stephanie luca he's a friend of mine now so everybody knows that i am saying it but she they did a study they followed baltimore youth around for well a decade of things like fifteen sixteen years and their path that they go through and part of that
as a cost twenty seven billion dollars to america every single year for disconnected youth so that's just youth they dont have a drive don't have a focus on railways that money is achievable so what did i do with alien so they dont chase things rights you get stuck in this pre does this idea that you can't escape this neighborhood because we have so many blockades in the way there stories they go through they they tackling a hundred some people parents having kids these neighborhoods and move them out and what happened to him and the two biggest pushers for the success of these of any kid in these cities was it they had an identity project which means they are finding their passion and what they're going to go towards because they don't know these passions they don't know that a photographer i definitely in front of my in baltimore can't can come out and do things for the community
and can actually achieve that dream so they see it and its possible any start taken the hurdles down like the hurdle of where they live in the hurdles of the arrest for the bag of we'd or fourth but you said the the talking yourself into jail because the cops messing with you every single day in your ear saturated police these neighborhoods you start taken now these barriers in these kids excel and that's a ghost clearly against the narrative that were hearing that these kids don't have motivation and they can't push out eighty percent these kids they grow up in the city never touched the streets or have anything to do with it they're getting high school degrees fought for five hundred percent the rate of their their parents it's just that what keep doors we keep getting them behind in their still fighting super hard but worse still throwing more more hurdles in their way so the money that you're talking about how much it costs for these disconnected use this
saw in prisons and this is my friend what is it this is just a lack of their product productivity from action doing what they can achieve and what its causes ass to then take care of what the in the fall out is in that that that just that microcosm we're not thrown in locking up everybody out we're not thrown in the parents were not throwing in all sorts of just youth i dont have a passion well it is one of the subjects has come up over and over again on this podcast because i have always tried to figure out what it is that keeps people from try build socially engineer these these environments and make them better for the people who live there like we're always concentrating on all these other countries were concentrating on you know helping afghanistan and building ironic in all the stuff tat we do humanitarian efforts all over the world right but about our own inner cities activities do think they're misguided so what we end up
doing is we we have this idea that were rich and often white and we're gonna in an we're going two like have the hand out or we're going to get then what we want are going to show them the right way and that's not the end so the answer is to ask what they want and provide the structure and platform for that take place so when these smart people or that have been in there though look at stance in the work of the paperwork and they'll say and everything will be fine and make sure they have their own police departments so everything will be would be good but then the police start blocking your buddy up and you just you you get into that resources around dumb and everything we find and we'll make sure they have their own police departments so everything will be will be good but then the police are blocking your buddy i been you just you get into that psycho again because your night giving the identity project even to i dont adults where you and say whether its comedy or whether its photography
no matter what you have to have that goal that vision because the they see is that their future is in dealing or in a prison cell and they keep being told that they do the right things they can move on but when they do the right things are sometimes intentions have put up the road blocks that prevent them from doing that so what but how do you what of engineer for lack of a better term a whole society like you give them goals how do you how do you expose them to all these possibilities these and how do you set up pass it's just that the word expose there there isolated they don't know right but what how do you do that i think social media is helping a ton so they can see interact with people that are different from that and they can see what this kid from new york he dig it into the school and he has this job now and now i can maybe go or for his company or whatever
as they see these examples of success and then they start to pick him up and chase them and that's what these the staff and all this book russia showing that it's it's staggering how much effort these kids are putting in to their goals it's just that you're actually setting up the prevention of it by doing things like oh ok we charge blockade in the city you know you charge whom he can it's a homicide because he was defending a sister from getting raped but when he gets a prison sent since we know that that presented just swamps him but when it why kid from stanford you know what happens so it's kind of this i dont want to push bothy all the time but there is that that empathy angle but it's just kind of helping people get where they wanted
it instead of pushing them were you think they should be though find their own passes like which we treat poor people like their children and their not their poor people there's does it do to works at the common store who was a criminal defence turning and he resigned he stopped doing it because he got tired of his when he was bringing cases to trial if it was a white guy the white guy would get in a whatever six months for an identical crime a young black i would get ten years and he was like it you gotta someone's gotta tell me what the fuck is going on here because all i'm looking at is systematic racism i'm lookin institutional racism is like this is just over and over and over again i'm confronted by the same kind of people the same age bracket but completely different types of sentences and what's that taliban any said everybody wonders bury their head in the sand and he couldn't do it anymore
was so strong i mean when the guide talks bodies like smoking cigarettes and freaking out because it was just a few and years of his life and it was this too i can't do it anymore that kind of shit is almost insurmountable when you you and your ear living in that world and you're one of those people that get sent down river for ten years for something you know if you were a white irish kid you would get six months or you know a much lesser sentence that alone is gotta be a gigantic hurdle someone living in these environments in design saying the people shouldn't be punished for crimes they definite should be punished for crimes but you're sure about that they also should be both putting absolutely already our view zebedee our view they should do about martyr should punish mergers gimme certainly depend on situation when i can't help it keep coming back to the fundamental idea that our criminal justice system is based on punishment
it's not a moral system it's like the death penalty rap we know that these things don't work so now now do they rights taken away so what i would like to see is let's take france since we know that a cost so and so thousands of dollars a year to how somebody things twenty four thousand depends on where you either so a college degree from an online school that's a credit it which we can all do easily right now would cost way less than that so put him in a cell and you keep em around but you treated like human beings you give them an identity a goal where they can achieve something they actually because right now we sent him into a prison of punishment and what happens they come out there worse situation so now we ve created a great or criminal than we had before rest our goal is supposed to be some kind of irritation that this is a better person when they leave them when they go in but we have that enough we want these fuckers to pay
well certainly for murder me for the families of someone that they victimized they don't want this person to come out better not even of victims feel that way though you know it so there are plenty of murder victims who who parents have gone and ass for leniency fort for the person or ass the not given the death penalty because does it pretty fuckin around it is our right yes yes most people want revenge but we have to look beyond that because when your sister gets in a fight and killed you neighbor who's your friend or something like that you're not asking for the deaf pony right because close to you but that's whereas others we do that others we wouldn't do that once we know well threats to society though those that's the real issue with some people should white black whatever summons associate sociopath sums a psycho there a threat to society like the guy who kill those people the theatre in denver that's a psycho in that that guy needs to be locked up forever just right chukka learning about and is both what do you do about it
my back i mean how do you how do you take a person like that and d given goals in prison do try to get an education in obviously yet it allowed us to think about that he could become not not him our sea like saying as mental illness for somebody else you could kate them by their there and they can contribute to literature contribute the science they can give back to some soft society in some way is that financially feasible how much more money would it take to make prison a safer environment for people that are locked up i mean what with the other there's that were supposed to be protecting the rest of us from those these people that of committees awful crimes rhyme someone's committed rape so once commit murder armed robbery we separate i'm from us because we don't want them to victimize anymore people then go number two is rehabilitation and that goal is overwhelmingly failure overwhelmingly if you look at this statistics if we set a personal it's been attempted as good good point meanwhile there are eight demean rick the guy we
on before the real recross not that the wrapper guy he you mean he learned how to read and literally figured out what was wrong with his case in prison not only do that though a lot i won't give them any access at some do goat and so there are wardens out there that our progressive and an hour thing at these things so that shouldn't really be on the warden hard there should be some sort of a standard nation wide where we should look at it as culture as a society is a civilization and say hey you know what which we be trying to do to try to make these people better people why did you do that when you arrest them now so what we say now is when he goes in shoot or when someone rapes we're not looking at that as that failure so if you if you were run in this business and acid a fast of your business failed then you would want and have an analysis and you would want to say are that sooner regression and figure out what went wrong and you'd want to fix that for the next time but we don't do that we just go alright throw that went away and continue
this is normal we should be so focus when we arrest somebody to figure out how we're gonna throw away for the longer we should be figuring out why it happened so we can prevent it for the next person but we this was it doesn't seem we actually care about solving the crime which is keeping these wheels turning so you commit murder than i want to know why i want to know the scenarios that lead you up to that because the only way that i can actually prevent that is not minority report its finding out what that hurdle was moment that you said fuck this and finding ways vent that as much as possible or reduce it for other people and a lot of it we have to do with the developmental period that you go through it you're a young person in what you are exposed to as a small child and that stuff become so deeply ingrained in a person's mind to try to reverse that boy is so much harder than to try to re someone correctly the first time all that's in his book they talk about
that is coming of age in the other america that mean they talk about these things where that's one of the predictors is how much expense measure to violence that these kids of had when they were gone between the ages of zero in ten and so when they got them out of the city and they gave him opportunities then they got exposed to less violence the really crazy thing in this study is that we found out that the kids ever in this did city they didn't help they also fought their way out and actually a higher rate so we did this nice things and we have to tweak it but my guard nice things that we did actually didn and out in the same results as kids just fighting on their own success yeah gets wild so they had these housing voucher programmes where they would the ideals that take people out of those neighbourhoods and put it it's a nice or neighborhoods where they would be exposed less things aim have neighbors round they did did things in that was very beneficial went when that happened but about an equal pay
senator those kids went back and being in the local areas and get involved into the streets and then the ones at fault selves out on their own ended up at a higher a higher percentage actually getting out and being exposed to less because of their own individual efforts in the control group trying to get out of there so while it says that the programmes need some tweaking it shows that the its counter narrative that these kids aren't trying and that are not seating to get out there they are pushing super hard to make something of themselves and it and our cultural dear is they all of these kids aren't doing things just turn into drugs in there just dealing and surprisingly there not a twelve percent of the cap is raised in baltimore in this study ever see and these are the worst neighbours is east and west baltimore ever spent a moment on the streets doing increments activity twelve percent staggering i may have shocked i feel dumb because
did the same things a jolly saw their exposed to rank but it's not their fighting out like crazy and worth once stopping them from coming to fruition will not us society were responsible right like so what are we here's the thing is like how much effort is finally being done to try to fix this mean how many people are actually think about how much money is actually being spent to try to fix us it seems there are so many problems in the world that the car and trade on bad neighborhoods or cry written neighborhoods low on the list of things the world's worried about the polar ice caps are melting polar bears a drowning you know what this is so much shit were worried about on top of that there are trying hard is held to keep its weight as though it will trying hard government are in baltimore for example theirs is this patent it thing that professor from morgan state laurent brown is really
so the esa and tracks it all down but there's a white el we called the white ellen baltimore goes down through the rich neighbourhood and comes across to the other rich neighborhoods by the bay and then there's the black butterfly which comes off to the side issues baltimore most butterfly wings dispersing out poverty and black people in the city what this is in every single aspect that you're gonna find where that where the money goes for schools where the bus routes are where the free buses like the white neighbours have a free bus and the black neighborhoods have to pay for their bus yes so we all these things that no matter what you think of this white out and this black butterfly come to fruition on where resources are allocated more problems how is that possible that why people don't have to pay for the bus unemployed people do that seems ridiculous will you let me tell you that the date it's why ever become a reason because the neighborhoods knows so they're not serving the white people their serving those upper class
neighbourhood but is it in is that a tax issues this property acts issue where they spent money for the buses as all born or cities monies so how the fuck are they justify that the they just do it like nobody cares i mean it's it's so people should follow its abbe more dark on twitter he he lays out in so many different avenues you you just have to be willing ignorance and i realise that this is going on at be more dios see that's that's in saint now how much of it is dealing with prison guards unions and and police unions they're trying to keep business as usual because that keeps people employed well that's a cigarette portion and you're seeing that within our aim lucy and that with this please unions and so the question on union where links even then they dont have these bad intentions would they have is job preservation
think comes back to those incentives and disincentives so there are fighting for their and that's all there thinking what we want jobs you want safer conditions i want to make or that this is a big company that blows up so they're gonna put their money towards politicians that support them and that's just the way it is as wade's always been as long as we have money in politics you can't get away from the wear them transparent example that is marijuana that we ve on time and time again with a million different studies that marijuana is not dangerous or if it is dangerous the danger that it poses is so minimal it's so small that it consenting adults should be able to do whatever the fuck they want with it and yet listen guard unions and police unions still lobby to keep that drug laws exactly the same way they are because then shores need a certain amount of guards certain amount of police officers that's cool or intuitive it mean that's that's dangerous for a society because that sets up this
us versus their mentality where it does need to be where your tap telling people there's a certain forbidden p and that they are not allowed to use we ve decided this week keep it this way even those completely illogical even though we know the history of it and we're gonna do it simply because people want to keep their jobs instead of trying to figure out why other jobs is people can do like this shouldn't there be away you could take some of these people that a prison guards or police officers give them a job with a commensurate income that's involved in being communities something positive something that setting up community programmes mean how you guys are cops are also in the martial arts or in a fitness or into something else or you know anything where they could teach people in these two finally set up community centres and give people high paying jobs to establish good environments for development and for growing and give people a chance to pigs
those two maybe one of these things that could be these pass it you were talking about i mean that i have museum but have zero objections that meet that that's a great way of going about it and cannabis is obviously these hiding example of complete a logic they just did a new study where they tracked people for thirty years you know it health problems i found what ginger vitus bad breath they re just in browser teeth it got there has been much hippies didn't breasts donkey breath hippies less s personality people say they said the same thing i got that right because there are many segment of the population there and it doesn't have anything to do with the cannabis that's learn so we know without a doubt that that that's the case but what we can do so say you still want to do that and we don't have to change in a sort of get him away from a job or even though that's that's pride the biggest chunk that's fucking everything up as the drug war but if we spend that money instead of incarcerating them we can spend the money in education sir
for every million dollars that spent fighting the drug war on the supply side there is a one hundred kilogram reduction of supply so if you have the and the killer grams of cooking come over the border if you fight it with force you fight the supply side then you get a ten grand with a telegram reduction if you spend that same million dollars on the demand side educating people you have a reduction of a hundred kilograms wow so we that's enough versus from i don't know it so they can look it up it's it's really easy to find a right away that's very logical donor but it makes sense to me so so we know that if you just educate people ends tobacco is a shining example of that is tobacco rates have gone down like crazy now let's take the hare carter situation out of the large part of that has been because of education so we educate people out of drugs educate people like they say all time if heroines on amazon right now to u water
now i dont know ordered jane gentlemen heroin freak loves it gets bunch different styles mixes em up so with prohibition the message this up and we know that and when you have prohibition you're not determining what happens to the drugs or we're doing is determining who is distributing the drugs because they will be distributed the question is is it the government and i e the people doing the distribution or is it the black mark did the gangs in the mafia well as long as it's under prohibition is the black market the gangs and the mafia we we literally no that's there's nothing to discuss and yet we continue with this attitude the actual as omen denial that that's kind of its runs through out our society america o speaking no
but the guns were dealing with the same thing words is constant we have evidence we can prove things empirically and we still just continue to do the opposite for four reasons i just can't get my my wrapped round lake its work i feel like i'm fighting denial and it's been like a year that fighting this denial and talking on radio shows constantly but yet you a couple months ago we what the internet and the fbi director is pushing the ferguson effect in this is like you how do we capacity and i think they were due to two completely different subjects right the gun control subject is very different subject than trying to figure out how to elevate people in bad neighborhoods uncontrolled subject is you know
look at the statistics of how many americans have guns how many rounds of ammunition there are how many armed people there are in this country and then you look at how many crimes or how many gun shootings or its relatively small very small we're dealing with me massive numbers people complete yeah i mean if you these three million that that's ok this three hundred million plus people in this country so if you look at this this blip on the map where every few months someone goes fuckin crazy kills bunch people if we really had an armed problem in this case three the logic that the anti gun control people use would be that you would see waymore shootings and you would see them all the time if we really had a gun control probably have so many armed people it was a real issue but the issue they try to say about picking a team here but
they try to say is that what we're dealing with just a massive numbers of people massive numbers of people the number three hundred million is so hard for the average person like you were i to wrap our head around what that means in terms of the volume the sheer vote people and how many guns are out there this is many mrs morgan's and there are people in this country which is even more insane and the the people that own these guns for the most part are law abiding citizens it don't do anything wrong why take away their rights because some like this asshole in orlando goes fuckin crazy and kills fifty gay people deserve a couple premises there what was that they have a right to that weapon right which argued in the data they dont ok the second amendment is clear well regulated militia literally clear it says it in black and white well
militia and even if we go to pass it on bare arm sure even if we go past that forget that i'm not a big fan of the cost intuition and leaning on because the world is changed dramatically we're in a whole new situation rethink with the evidence that we have now let's not rely on the document that's that's parchment somewhere decaying rights written with a feather right that why that they made it amendable so the first thing is that they have the right down there and the second is that that numbers acceptable i is that what you're trading in there is what are you getting so if you haven't waging where they can have these guns so what are you benefiting what are you losing tell me it is a society we benefit from here and guns and rifles while the people that have been able to protect themselves against dangerous crime the people that have been able to stop people breaking in their home stealing their property harming them first
really or protecting their love so when you talk about ratios there's thirty thousand hand going crimes in america every year right that's it the document of the various shootings thirty thousand so our i was way more so if we take the percentage of people that defended themselves you got five to ten cases a year like that doesn't actually occur but what are they defending themselves against those people with hand guns and rifles so during your trapped in the circular logic where you needed going because i have a gun and then event we jamie says with those farmers have a gun i want to go to and we know where that goes we literally no it keeps getting more and more and more now if we had this perpetual society where everyone has everything and everything's perfect but that's just not gonna happen we're gonna have strife in milan
these guidelines are concentrated in a few people's hands that have two hundred guns you know do they have fifty guns i know do that fifty got sino due to us so many guns just talking about you how the fucker my buddy as somebody guns you know how many guns he has great so they of those parties a giant seven tall any as a hundred and fifty thousand fuckin guns so they had they have them in a safe for they have them out whirl america the with their known even like interacting with people like to have the strife while he's they are a firearms enthusiast and he is also a guy with a squeak clean criminal record what's the argument against him being able to be a firearms enthusiasm possess all these guns because of what is done to our society you he just once they have something i've died i went on in particular are not but i'm just saying because he's my friend right so anybody any body why are you gaining
there's an equation in one one sided equation we have thirty thousand hang on victims we have of a society that gripped by fear we have dude second go get in air fifteen days later light up a night club and do a hate crime we know that that's gonna i've been and we know that as the future progress is that that this hundreds the casualties of this shooting is going to be superseded by a bigger shooting that that's gonna happen because we gotta break them accurate re zone when we're gonna have more more guns at keep coming here and keep coming so that on the right hand side the equation your left hand side equation for for having guns the argued it is my like them well there's also the argument that a well armed society is a polite society and nigeria where people than it had guns in that night club they would have been able to prevent that crime by taken that guy on the re cops i mean is the same thing in denver like if there were cops there but the cops ruddy shop mozilla cops geared to a point where it was near a hostage situation i mean i don't know the details about florida so it's or its but
the minutes were true cops wouldn't get killed right they have the big army that's what our streets so if more guns we keep having more costs with more and bigger guns than it would stop right because the cops the cops right rolling armoured vehicles with a our fifteen's too combat juveniles madame and more during uprisings don't more cops shoot more criminals than criminal shoot cops dont more workshops kill more people we are trying to commit crimes than those people can of course cobbles data that's predicated on the premise that they're trying to shoot the cops and absolutely not right trying to get away some of on shore the europe we are actively trying to cops are super some cause you got a really s reign the cops are getting shot would they do get shot right but what i'm saying is yes but isn't sort of an argument that none of being well when there has you bad when there is one guy with a rifle that he purchased legally
a bunch cops and a budget cops become still be shot right but a lot of one but a lot those guys that you're talking about this one guys like three member the north hollywood shootout well i've ever famous armed to the fucking gills and wearing body armor and all that shit they were the cops we're just so our guns forest fire power source or answers that they get more firepower right now does not say no demands arising and keep having this is one of the reasons why these cops are getting shot they're getting shot and killed in that situation particular because their walk around with thirty eight revolves around i will mean a glorious zoning shot because that guy has armor and falcone aren't aims aim this website is not data are inadequately armed whether they be they in their handgun would be perfectly fucking fine if we didn't have a our fifteen saturating our streets without go i don't even yet they are fifteen he had something like that as already shit that's all you can do so
that doesn't mean you by the way the same guns and m16 folks it's this its military weapons the same gun that was created a thing was created in the fifties to deal with the eighteen forty seven there's an hbo part series on real sports suddenly they talked about it there they were talking about a our fifteen but two to three can do that damage that's a semi ato and we get caught up in the assault weapons right rent yes all weapons are gonna keep you haven't better aim for keeping a higher magazine capacity for me more and more reliable weapon but of a hunting rifle with a time magazine clips us two to three and is a semi on mac is gonna do the exact same level right of damage that we're talking about so my position on gun control is extremely simple you want your guns for these other things like say hunting men bolt action rifles and shot guns tiger we think that you can that's on your own the programmes
that they want to achieve can all be accomplished by shot guns and bold action rifles oh yeah i see that argument but i also see the argument that hunters would use in that situation that you few limit the amount of rounds that a guy can have in his gun or the ability to fire off round quickly your limiting their ability to make a quick follow up shot animal that would kill that animal yet so if you have some way that's that dedicated right i don't have a problem with that personally so if you have some whether we want to establish this high standard so say so we super high standard were this guy he can get his big gun that he whose is in his well trained doin and he's gone through a super long process of backgrounds and he's all checked out that i dont have the objection to that but like say his gun get stolen you don't get it anymore you're done
so you have to maintain this high standard in order to have such extreme privilege and finally that like people to have c4 and explosives year there are people that can legally carry debt cordon c4 blow a buildings there not a big problems the society using their debt cordon c4 too to hurt people so if that that's it a unique class of energy yeah i suicide and so you think there should be more stringent testing and background checks on people that are getting guns yeah especially those kind of high powered ones or handguns we you get caught up a lot in the high power because the capable of that mass destruction but it's the hang that cause the fear city every single data so easily conceive yeah that's the whole problem is the consumer that you can just pop it out and use it you don't know who has white and so every becomes a threat because you have the small death of i saw you that anybody can do anything it's just like we gotta go back
that equation like what is on the other side of the equation of thirty thousand hangings and three hundred and play mass shootings per year the others the equation is is that ridiculous idea i mean if you figure out something for me there then i like collecting guns and i think they're cool it's my right than that i'm willing to hear it i just don't here in argument beyond that while the argument is that a person who is not a criminal and a person who doesn't have any ill will in their hearts and just enjoys firearm should be able to have them just like you should be able to have a truck they could just drive through a fuckin crowd of people with if you wanted to yet but so that the argument there that you can have the truck in the truck above of harm will so just like a knife but a knife has driven other uses so on the other side of that equation when this disable would we need a knife four votes to chop up food it's too
a skinny dear it's to do a thousand other things that are or something like that is for one purpose and one purpose only kill human being well those whereas design form of people use them for hunting them so that they have a better rifle used and that for a while did the thing about her with those is that you can pull the trigger many touchy dude you do like for a hog hunting and things like that their there a lot of people actually prefer them shirt so let's say you even when you do that again we're dogma that higher last person and so class hog hunter the higher class that's pretty sure it s not an actual big league you wanna go shoot it anyone should those those animals tat go check it out from near that parking wreck and go use jabbered out now check it you said you'd want to use it right when it when you mean check it out right so say you to start an armoury mcgann
armoury that who runs the governor neurons close good law could be the private the private rifle range ok well that's how it is in a lot of places in europe why i know how to do that we literally other countries have done this australia's the shining example they had one mass shootings at fuck this have nonsense right but you can get a rifle in australia gay and this is something that gets bandied about many tat actually i do some research it's not imply while the get rifles for hunting in australia you get super hard it's difficult layer but strictly also has less people than california in an enormous chunk a land here but we have other countries take china china's four times our population doesn't doesn't even hit the radar screen on the amount of a prison people they have imprisoned or the amount of violence they have that's true but china is what was until really recently it's a communist dictatorship that was run with an iron fist
i mean think about tienanmen square and what happens when people rebelling against the government there it's two completely different sort of culture the different what happens here though we rarely though i mean if you stand up against governments can happen to you what's not just standing up against a government a mean they did the people they don't have much power over their neither do we it's an oligarchy we live in it oligarchy like we ve put that's another thing we prove so princeton did a study where they tracked nineteen thousand cases of law that we're going alone in going through congress so what they found out is that public opinion on whether a log its past or not for instance gun control which over eighty percent of and our aim members agree with increase gun control and background checks and things like that we don't get it passed it congress at all it doesn't have any bearing on public opinion any bearing whether log its past but if you have donors that care
the log in past then it's gonna get past and even when public sentiment is completely against the law being pass if the public too if the donors want that past they stole over thirty percent chance of getting law passed i think the area is trying to do is they are trying to prevent slippery slope they're trying to establish laws and keep them in place so that establish rights that are already in place right keep them in place because they worry that if you start increasing background checks if we start ramping up any sort restrictions on gone owners that its slip slope their wooden they'll never get back they'll never get the freedom back but what i mean i don't know that freedom is we're all afraid to go somewhere we don't have freedom in this gun saturated country where olive and re when not well alone nor not no not we're not it he'll think people
free no i don't think people generally have been rising energy inviting to keep the guy on you're saying we're all afraid as if every day when you go to the movies you worried about a mass you'd in everyday when you go to the wall and we're not afraid we travel freely occasionally like this happen in their horrific in their terrifying but people are generally afraid we're not all afraid to do things i just don't think that's true so why then what we all want to protect this sum while the arrays position the energy this position is that liberals democrats whatever they want to take away your right to own a gun the energy does not want that so spend all their money they do other lobbying they do everything they can to stop any new restrictions from passing and to stop anyone who is trying to take away guns right
so the way you frame that is that they are to protect their rights and their want to preserve this thing but i dont know i see it that way a lot of people with those what people that are fighting again scoggins like so so me i have guns i'd like shooting i enjoy it i'm fucking i made a career out of it right but at one point time i did enough work research and enough understanding that my ultimate goal is that we have a sea for society and that we protect people but the way we protect people empirically it's not these guns nobody has the gun crime that we have no body the entire world is a developed country has the gun crime when incarceration rate in everything that we do we are the worst example in that in the developed world of how to do this every other example is a better example than what we do but were continually trying to stay entered
into this seem more that we know is failing i want to protect people and the elderly says that an order protect people we can't have hand guns and assault rifles sacho said to them a sombre afford again but we can't have a semi automatic rifle was out there like crazy that in able society to have that risk i mean those those only other ended that strasbourg is a nine year old girl whose bleeding to death in the city and i just i don't want to give my router people but the idea that you want to go fuck issue something i just don't give a shit about that when you see the destruction close to you is suddenly gabby gifford can gopher forgone control after it touches you know or something like that whenever it took did you suddenly we start the care if too right now a mass gunman comes and starch
the rest is building and they ve been killed jimmy we're all going to care a hell of a lot more why jamie how come you don't like it what a didactic jamie under the bible please nobody shoe jamie and i think i think we would all take a slightly different perspective five months i think you're right and i think that's an issue with all sorts of crimes and that's also an issue with poverty and bad communities is that it's not touching the people that are they just want to be safe those people are getting off the street or my way i think right in that regard i mean i don't know if there is a perfect dancer to getting rich three hundred million guns or control i don't think you can do i guns i swear not make an air like let's stop making so one of my idea loud gun companies without them from making a doctor making how dare you are making a weapon of death i care about what they want so we know funds can last hundreds of years if you take care of them right so if we stop making
their value all go up and ever get it concentrated and i the libertarians because i got all the rich people but also the guns i get it whatever they can use and we know that so let's make more valuable so they're not worth two hundred dollars on the street so that a gun disrespect before drug war beef can lead that should i wanna have you sit down with someone who's a gun proponent good luck would you mean good life been here for a year doing this day in and day out challenging everyone from sam heiress to whoever they're not gonna they're not going to do this the evidence is on my side than i do what you're not going to have a debate because it certainly would deftly said to set it up ok mock set out my friend less than a hundred bertone by the union get to do his plea i'll get us he mused give me that push back that other people need here and if you right on a position i will absolutely change ok war deafening set that up then i want to bring in just cause justin's very articulate and dumping
annex ii is a giant does have a thousand fuckin guns from whatever he's a nice guy he's very nice guys good and he is a tiger said and firearms enthusiasts but also a really nice guy that has no criminal record never done anything wrong and very articulate very smart very well read but he's gonna say that people i can show them guns right and if he's right while he is right in using every little gas and he's a wrong rock and do like to break into his every once in a while you're going to need to do like him to keep down the door right ok we know that is so i went are you if he's got to say he needs need this elite members of society that like swat teams are something that they can handle these situations of course we do well he's a cop additive shooter does contests and re so they will they should shoe like me will i am sure he's right like a vacant handle it their professional lives as him you're not gonna get pushed back from society because nothing will happen but it is what i'm saying is it he's not doing wrong and something he enjoys like when
we decide and not just put in this house there are not taken a stance because i don't understand it myself of people saying that i'm anti gun or pro gone or now i'm a pretty neutral on this i also own guns but i see the problems i definitely see when something like this happens in orlando and some crazy fuck go and just shoot up a nightclub and kill all these people without a real problem i dont know how to solve that real problem i'm sure some people would say concealed peck carry permits some of these people in the night bob could shoot out that it then you get firefox its clear categories gunfight in a nightclub more people getting a shot but not only there most of the people that get involved in his gun rights will be their first gunfight so you're gonna fuckin shit pants you gonna get tat panic you gonna messy gonna hit people still be alive no one on wages in now it is not as simple as via gun shot gun eat we wouldn't meal appointed people and if you pull the trigger
you be lucky you hits on right in front of your where are we was that shooting only recently was out of college and they were true marines on banks on the college campus with weapons and they didn't engage because they may said hey look i was only gonna make the situation worse the cops we're going to know who i am if i had my weapon out by i could have missed and done some thousand two guys that were in their actual right state of mind a war armed decided that engage was more dangerous and it's actually empirically more dangerous than if you engage your moral likely to die and you something's just you're gonna shoot somebody else or the situations that can be resolved we we literally no that's people have done this they ve done studies where they try to take people and like simulated and it never pans out
but that's engaging with an instance where you're not involved with you are involved you absolutely have to engage in any had shot like a year if if they know that building earthly lurk bombing answer them you have to run so all the evidence says that view run that your best bet for safety in liquid we want to do that right because that's a bitch move please i'm dying bring about some issues in a more bed i'm a hundred or semi there's like this delusion of hiroshima that somebody's going to save the day and sure you may find that happen every so often it limit have you not scenes of us just allow movies it happens all the time is a problem that is up linda super probably illegal shoe people and allay while their running into lots also like we ve developed this sort of idea of what goes down in a gunfight based on fiction based on reality the amount of people that have actually been exposed to a bullet a live thing is so small sound
oh yeah realise out loud that is shut shoot with her headphones in your whole life go ahead to start clock in all fifteen rounds with it without your protection oil in europe ring and you can even understand what's going on you have to be well trained in that environs and understand the cops are even in their the front i may get a real gun battle because issue with earful plugs into everything the verse i'm their shooting they're gone hearing the sound and everything else so he i mean you got those people like by the thousand ring court with doing fast him i don't think there to get any gun crimes and i i think they can handle situations but these are at a certain segment that needs to live up to a high standard will not only that those people that have been trained and they ve developed this understanding of firearms at so deep most people just don't get to that it's like the average person watches you have sea fight and thinks they can take someone's ass and then if you fighting
a train marshall artists you're fucked like you really don't know what you're doing that's kind of the same thing and weak here someone who really like my friend just and really understands firearms versus the average person it goes and buys a gun and things will i'm safe now i got this gun maybe maybe maybe but testing say that you're more likely to shoot a family member in and in a fight or yeah suicide which you know the other thing lotta people it's a wonderful analogy i love that you you do that because it meets perfect analogy almost for emma may and who can handle a weapon as well but what about undue confidence and perfect so like here that here's the thing i've always went to tell people that feel that way we can i can tell you you can have and when you right now and we can set this up in the morning and i can tell you walk away
you have all these things are they just again mme fight it's it's not gonna go as you fucker planned it i promise so what we are witnessing look as far as like you're gonna take could you you're not gonna be able to protect it and you know i'm coming so then wire actually think you're safe but you have a gun on you you're just as long as you're fighting against the inferior opponent or you're in this situation where you have distance and you have all these things like that again mme fight it's it's not gonna go as you fucker planet i promise so where are we saying that as far as like you're gonna take the gun away galaxy say you wanted to have a concealed weapon when you re inside you standing in line at the bank you're going about your day as normal i could tell you some point time i'm gonna get that gun from you and i'll get it areas with these about surprise so when the banker we're comes in what's unsurprisingly town we gonna get it sure i've just you twenty four hours while be fucking job
deb on average twenty four hours even think about the life you know like birds they are you deaf we would be well exited adventure labour that's the thing is your bigger than me you can be ready for it still i'm sorry you just knock and wit because just can come out of nowhere so when people have these guns are you like really gonna disarming people are something no more they by also be if you learn how to foster works so me goes my gun on punched him in their fuckin failure to come from i knew you wouldn't be standing in lying idle where's my gun regular army when you're right here so from behind they gonna grab show you can you ever has but how hard to get a gonna have altered the certain holsters origin and the host or worse its cake what one holster where if you yank on it doesnt work with triple retention oh yes we're going to see your gun if you have one of those cases are pretty darn big what if i'm gonna puffy coat sure i guess you can forget about it i'm gonna we let them but you just now
actually safer i know a keeps several guns guns autumn all the time and to knives got a knife in his boot he keeps several guns are malta has been hit ned lunchtime so what is this some people think aegis you can't you can't think that's what's gonna make you save at your mind set its you're issue awareness of your surroundings assure billion make logical decision but you're talking about a very specific case where someone's trying to take your gun away right but testimonies you're not you're in a bank robber even meet a guy goes on there's gonna be one there as we have so wake of big thing of policing is you don't get into like jujitsu kind of wrestling matches because of that gun right because no matter what fight you're in there always a gun there and it's the same thing with non cops right you don't want to get a fight as a cop because if that the evidence shows statistically
that if they get gun from you they're gonna use it on you right that's creepy no different from you if they get their gun from me right use it on you re right so why would you want to be in a fight with somebody will that's a wrestling match right are you saying that but i can assure you that the gun you do sing that potential are you dying and there's a high possibility you didn't have it before you literally or making yourself more at risk i mean the statistics are clear on this that if you bring a gun through this fight the odds are against you even higher now because mostly with bring even if you re a knife to a fight a significant portion of the we will get the night take away from baggage used autumn i guess i am cases we ve been where you're trying to figure out a state we call it come to find out the very vague tried to do the stabbing but they they should take it followed and they got stared themselves so once you introduce that that potential your more data
well your self but this is again you're talking about non trained individuals and it sort of goods produced backed and i'm not gonna sponsored abilities negative mighty hard on those really trained people i get that that that's fine and that's like it's not a right at that point it's a privilege so it's like driving a car driver cars are right as a privilege so if these people on earth that privilege so be it but it becomes a problem doesn't it when a really fuckin crazy person earns that privilege may have someone hasn't done anything yet kramer there's been several people that have committed mass shootings but didn't do anything before they did that shooting i mean it oh so you still left with those you still decided as a society that one that's the equation you're willing to accept that amount even though lesser amount you decide to set that amount and if we can just moved to a point where we can set the lesser amount that would be wonderful but were were continually accepting in ever increasing amounts as more
buying guns more they were buying animal so what is the solution that in your eyes well i would like stop may affect i would like hang guns and rifles to be banned and maybe they have to take a long time not rifle just just semi on back like brand me and you can own them anymore now let's like shit answering so turkish data becomes a privilege so like guns your twitter account skin attacked or i have as other you fucking lever you're never dagmar gun so you have to be those people that earn that privilege the idea that it's all right it's just i think that you think we could call a lot in that just even if you will but you said earlier that i think the evidence is there that it's actually not your right but if it is like can we re
think that and what is the second amendment read it exactly jamie in its form please so weakened but an again the idea that keep the constitution in the bill of rights exactly intact some shit that was created hundreds of years ago before any of the variables that we have to deal with in society today whether its variables privacy electronic communications with it's a variables about the power and the ability that guns have two means we're dealing with a totally different world they made the shit back and people had muskets we really need to consider that and by the way they had just gotten done fight off a totalitarian regime and had expand it and become their own country i commend him on the united states constitution reads a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state the right of the people too and bear arms shall not be infringed see that's pretty clear the rights of the people
and bear please in they fringed yeah but a well related militia being necessary to this security of a free state the right of the people even bare arm shall not be infringed if they are a well regulated militia theirs saying if it saying kapital letter a a well regulating militia being necessary to securing the free state so their establishing that it is important that you have a well regulated militia being necessary well regulated that's the weird term were regulated malaysia what does that mean national guard is what they're saying though that because lessening the right of the people to keep and bear arms rotational in view of this state though so the eye dear that you're the fight with the people of the state mean they're just people not because you but that's what the states army we people left the country right measures is a free egg a free state what that means is that the worried that we might be invaded and taken over by england than those in government or the government
it gives a federal government right so that's all state being able to defend itself against the fat oh government because they ve still were lingering with that that that from britain i don't know they meant when they said a free state is that what they could pull that up again so i please it's only intellectual it's kind of weird arguing about this because if we had to do this over again mean this is obviously something that was established as we said a long time ago if we had to do this over again if we had stably new new amendments or new rights i don't know how who had rate but that's a propositional phrase a well regulated militia that means everything after that is in regards to a well organised so if i said and then joe and everything in their centres would be about joe it's a propositional phrase i mean that that's exactly what they mean well well well regulated militia meaning that there is
bunch militia meaning regular people civilians gathering together to form some sort of a makeshift army yet being necessary to the security of a free state now when they say a free state this is back when we were there for three states or such like down the thirteen isn't serbian thirteen the first ones were thirteen right the first initial stays the right of the people to keep em bare arm shall not be infringed sees fuckin nobody talks like dad you fucked you know today in twenty sixteen if you wrote a sentence like that billy hey bitch what you trying to say you know you know i mean i mean people thou shalt not four score and sixteen years ago might speak normal bitch it's the right
of the people to keep him bare arm shall not be infringed is the one that everybody clings to the people of the free state those says that it then naturally what they meant work as they did that back then you know they they formulated those those rights but they're saying shall not be infringed the right of the people remember the federal government shall not infringe that right against the state now so saying as a state it saying the people too protect the security of the free site the right of the people to keep him i shall not be infringed the people of the state right what they're saying is that knowing for repositioning we gotta do the carcase story evidence that we all everybody out that's right that's right a well reg they demolish it being necessary others establishing that it will again if you anger right now i'm here for good word more congress you fuckin pussies tragic my going we are just trying to we're trying to unpack this amendment
a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state so they say was that we need a well regulated militia to make sure that we don't get taken over by tyranny the right of the people keeping bare arm shall not be in france i don't know man i mean i'm not a constitutional caused by any stretch of the imagination norma scholar of the bill of rights that seems pretty clear the right shall not be infringed okay so i'll give let me say we give you the the right of appeal because what they mean is that the people can hold the arms into there need it to form this militia over that's weird that grannies what sounds like to withhold the arms yet so the people right of the people to keep and bear arms rates of they have the guts right and so they can have them it's just that so that they can formulate a well regulate militia later if needed does gonna be like that as well you think so the right of the
but to keep him bare arm shall not being right right of the people have the guns reforms aim and then the idea could be that they met that you can have guns in case you need to formulate the militia to fight tyranny it could be read thou in case yeah yeah goods is not giving you any options sang shall not be infringed scrolled downwards and saying what is the second amendment actually set as exacting outlets for more is what is the definition of modern definition of the rights granted by the second amendment is there any like sort of legal acts bring our bodies read on this thing it seems like these cocksucker wrote that you have made it so we're right but even if you can get em like they certainly worth talking about our fifteen's and they words envisioning a government with five thousand nuclear weapons right than they and envisioning three hundred million people in the eye prozac that idea fighting the government just really seems weird
so what you're saying there so i was in the marine corps what you're saying then is that if they make a wall by trumpets and the office and he says are that's it we're going to crack down on our people youth that i'm gonna come after you for that come on come on some people the people in our military will not do that these generals are going to do that and i did a commander their members it did you have a military coup you probably will but you will have some people are willing to comply but you are saying that you are free ends and brothers and sisters that are in the armed forces or going to turn their guns on their friends and family guy fuck me that's interesting because you could make the same argument about the police you're saying that your friends and brothers and sisters that are in the police don't turn their guns and civilians they do they do but that's a small amount of people that are affected so if you're talking about affecting the entire country than those people will have that personal effect because it's not just there
turning on their own family right there not just learning the same argument than a small amount of non compliant people would be the ones of the military would have to go against yeah me guess if if you have that kind of scenario shore kindly saving their literally say they were to come take all the guts run right there when you do a by force your also saying this huge force for one the military's not operate on our soil but they already do thirdly rolling the national guard through cities if you look at it gently sort of national origin well yeah well regulated militia yeah look i mean when you look at the tanks in some of the key the fuckin military the goals that they're using in some of these riot joel militarization and only if this is a separate us a seminar with a separate argument but it becomes military then mean you're talking
a war machine short that something is clearly wasn't envisioned and so i would rather you didn't open up back ass another farc lenses owen rant yeah this is it it's a very unusual sort of a debate i see both sides are absolutely sure both just remember that equation though the belsize out equation where they can be logical one sided that equation is deaf well and the other argument would be that protecting yourself against death is a right but we know that if you want to have a safer society if you want to live in australia have they re the goddamn guns ever australia's so different than adults i just thought i'd let us more i don't buy that both we buy it this way by this way
how many mass shootings of urban in california beside san bernardino take san bernardino out of the mixed how many that's what's out in black people in the hood that we don't hear about mass shootings in daily this country down so you're gonna get him every year a week or two weeks in california really get em every week or two weeks and you still here about it because your talk it because they happen in content and gives a shit right endured you're talking about people who are criminal shooting other criminals and that's one of the arguments that gun control anti gun control people use against people that talk about how many get shot is how many people like when you look at the new where's the people to get shot in this country there also activating the number of people that are shot by law enforcement officers they don't oh sure that not only make account is how they want to report the fbi the guardians figured out how many people got shot the twenty fifty is the first year we figured out how many people were shot by police in this country ok but that is
twenty sixteen and we do calculate no the newspaper does it the federal government or that nobody does you look up statistics of how many people were killed by guns every year they do include bad guys killed by cops no y know so there is an argument that ted nugent don't count as homicides either but we're not talking about says you're talkin if they kill him doesn't count doesn't count no the count against our homicide can't we could consider just what is not fight homicides don't but deaths they don't think they use the word homicide when their counting firearm down interesting point because this is what a ted nugent and peers morgan i can't believe amusing ted nugent more money more appears or but but his argument with ted newt he got shredded argument because it went into it on armed with facts and nugent spews this out every point he can and by the way he would argue with you all day shore but that's that's all
crazy person is allegedly level crazing that's not going to other certain people willing to call out from time to time that every one of you think tat you just crazy what he would thinks crazy bottom we ve seen in talk like you are clear crazy he's going to argue that until the end of the uk is one of these people you can put the evidence in front of him day in and day out until just move the goalposts move the goalposts in no one's interest it and have an argument of some i'm just gonna continually move goalposts
about all the food move go pulse was the one thing that he makes coherent arguments about is in fact against gun control what would we got there jim i'm pathway looking through something but i got this from the washington post this article it starts with the year of one thousand people nearly being shot by police at sound is annoying but it says here they start to compile a record of every fatal please shooting in the nation as of two and twenty fifty something no government agency had done it started after michael brown shooting start looking into it premium people did that goddamn commies or whatever their washed imposed by the poster sought to compile a record this is a most imposed the guardian started but it says the posts to compile a record of every fatal please shooting the nation two thousand fifteen something no government agency had done the project began after proof police officer shot and killed michael brown ferguson missouri in august two thousand fourteen provide
several nights of fire rise blah blah blah race remains the most volatile flashpoint in any accounting of police shooting although black men make up only six percent of the u s population they account for forty percent of the un armed men shot to death by police this year the post a debate shows in the majority of cases which police shot and killed a person who had attack someone with a weapon or brandished gone the person who was shot was white interesting that's interesting whereas in the majority of cases in which police shot and killed a person attack some of the weapon a branch gun person was shot was white but a huge disproportionate number three and five of those killed after exhibiting less threatening behavior where blacker hispanic meaningless valued the life lass of people who were black or hispanic they were quicker to shoot down with less threatening behaviour than they would with white people regardless of regardless of race and more than a quarter of the
the fatal encounter involved officers pursuing someone on foot or by car making chain is one of the most common scenarios in the data that's interesting with interesting more why people but i guess her i have white more when people its physically white unemployment assumption population its prime we're not right why people are gets getting down he's got them slowly brow people are finding their way into the top we joke about that how what is that movie where everything goes crazy one michael douglas no no i like the purge no idiosyncrasy yea so like the silly when we know we know that the more educated someone is go ask if they have rights as soon as you do that you go on now all this are people don't have kids why everybody that poor has poor kids so like that
another reason why we have to educate the label doubts the counter to overpopulation that when they could the charts and graphs that when you in industrialized nations when they come more closer to first world they have less children china now but it's also durazzo fuckin working more grinding saw necessarily good man might be rob being poor the bunch can be happy so we know that the most likely time to get to a shooting as in a chase yes we owe a chase story and we should like the add up a little bit ok let's this story there's a story that we just got sidetracked from both the first conversation we're in the middle of talking about it we never got to it right so i write we were talking gemini earlier about private pretty cool in paypal does up on street maps so let's go to the eighty higher block of west pratt with gnashing look at it ok really interesting
shot on anybody who's got their finger on the sand but right now ready sent an evil email or a twitter but just relax this is a debate folks the conversation i know you wish you were here she could yell at mike or how do you set a pretty you ve made a couple of points that i didn't think about that were pretty darn liberal pretty liberal fuckin confusing mother fucker if you're trying to pigeonhole me i am a liberal hippy who owns guns and hans and loves weed and gay people i loved i love everybody are currently do can we go to face it isn t right so down to the red awning in turn around frizzle hub dope is google maps it's crazy we're word travelling baltimore right now on jamie's computers is madness see and people's license plates and shit so weird they can do that leaders zoom in the car
becoming a whorehouse is light yeah they have pursued go look idea the google car drove by renewed just lighten up cigarette faces have jamie ok so this is a really dilapidated neighborhood in baltimore we don't you did necessarily see about we're dealing life d a space h o o d ok as i go left i go down the street love it more by the licence would talk about baltimore shot out my brother john rollo baltimore this is one of my ground patrol mme go there learn how to fight so the story i could get my look by bearing right because it doesn't seem like don't worry report off that's ok so you out so start so when my favorite times ever batman around us
we were all work the major k squad and been assigned a new viii r o by which is violet repeat offenders target to go after you're gonna hear a lot of these in a lot of chiefs are starting to push this out again which is the violet repeat offender where they are people with so they they do like this predictive nest there these are the people that were are likely to get shot or likely to do shootings or something like that so we want to focus on enforcement efforts on them to get them on anything doesn't work but regardless of what i was doing at the time and we had a guy set up to a bar and at the bar we knew that this gang would go in and out of this bar so we had a guy sitting bert and van and watch the bark is we are content was a take pitched biotic pitch yours document who is going to try and see some associations a man another car we were
pining away just waiting to see what he report may we could follow somebody things like that talking in a spent hours were own like our ten sitting there nothing going on and we had a secure channel so we can just talk back and forth and our radio and they are talking about sports recital b soccer baseball games on i give a shit about so everybody's michon bathroom radio just talk in trying to pass the time and then the guy what in a covert egos finally here commentaries guides you shut the fuck up up the robin the store next to me right now i'm watching them i can see that it's a silver thirty eight in a dude hair robin stored shut the fuck up and get over there so where they are not all right so call it out and these guys runnin into a getaway car around the block and we get behind him so we're phone
i know this is a fresh robbery and so they got hand guns in the car and everything do they know you fallen no so we have a more cars and we're fallen behind him and were in this area where you have the one district to the left to west southwest you have the west gesture to northern southern two left so they call the tried district but work in this area were communications or maybe weird because these are all different channels so i'm writing with sergeant i was up a detective at the time and say to him get on southern channel you get on the south west and coordinate that we can call this out i go on radio and on commonly are needed and thirty one don't southern channel in irregular hockin return fallen i need a temporary one or the other chat on looking i'm gonna fuck law they shut up like owners their successes attend three you fuckin asshole oh ok xo
rio's tete a tete thirty one is to this day has risen emergency so i get on now and were work pointed out the cars gone west down barton were were found we're coming up to the shopping center time left for some sort of course full of people it gets goes through the shopping center and stops at a stop sign but there's a car in front of it and we're thinking i regret lighted up here but that car like it always moves wreck susan lights of course you can bet that cars can move right so we the lights anyway and the car stops front so they can't get past right so they our bail out run so therefore even the car one goes one way one goes back the other way one goes for one behind jump out of the car because let's
so i leave my radio by accident my drop it urging has let let's be as i see a guy running with a gun out of a car and i'm still like in jack rabbit abode i'm going out of that's one thing i'll shoot people right i've get right i get them so i take off to get wet without my radio chasen is don behind the shopping center the sergeant he forgot to put car park oh he knows i dont have my radio he started a panic about where i'm going to have to dive back into the car to put it on park so it doesn't hit but the suspects car and then the nonsense back in front of them there the ivory he goes running i've i'm chase behind him and i've got my gone out and i'm running and i'm saying you fuck it shoot you better start now but i could tell heat when he's running pure pay like i had a moment of empathy for him but you did he was just like
running with that gun in his hand how you'd better drop it we're right of some i comes out of the woods for behind the shopping center it's a fucking caught from south west who heard us on the radio plainclothes cup so the guy throws the gun and he tries to three up to the roof of building by like pathetically does hits the building in fact tat s the guy come out the words i allowed him to get him my running back go back and get the gun you gotta get a gun first you're smart because it could it was somebody else's hands or or whatever and we'll get him back and so at that moment unbeknownst to me all those districts where like all core nato's at this moment of of serendipity and policing southern district patrol kay mopping got one of the guys in western patrol got one of the guys in south west commander was in the area was there in the drug unit was their help me and we caught every single person bringing back
regarding for guidelines we get everything revolt moreover flocking people we are looking for by mere coincidence half a gag that we were looking for into the bar rob the store that was next to our guy in covert and we started our case their agenda being completely successful because we had this huge jumpstart i've just dumb ass luck that does highlight dumb ass luxury called ten thirty one tenth you ve got to put the car park you left your radio behind that unless typical that's the way it is and that's a situation where you do shoot like people shoot that situation but think if you think i have been there for them i think you have bad you know there all over the internet the twitter trawlers and stuff or argument when a gate tries to other cops only think oh you just talking about a more you ve never actually done anything what did you actually do in those of the
situations where you get into the shootings right we're could have easily shot that guy who was running with the gun and that's what the status ec show happens a lot of the time that would have dramatically affected me dramatically affected him and everyone around but what this kid was doing in the end was being part of a drug deal trying to do robberies trying to fuckin eat and survive and yet we had those guys fines so you have this poverty and you have this fighting for resources and so it shows that to rob the store into being in these gangs but if they didn't have those guns how differently probably quite a bit so so when you talk about saturation we link looking that incident we got lucky everything we're fine had potential evolve luckily we were all competent and in that unit but sworder thanks
i was the youngest of the rocky commission slack but you had four guns rowing around in that situation utes england doesn't do they see you don't see other countries like this where this all could have just went bonkers because we're trying to respond to a situation in a way go after people put them in cells because we have this these and everywhere in their fighting for these resources but that's where we have to stop and say why are they here right what got us to this point instead what we continually do we just throw that group and in jail and the very next time you took as like six months or take the whole group down we got everybody federally indicted but as soon as we that the next group just steps up because we didn't take a moment to look at the causation you know the old argument if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns
i may add secular logic to it is but when you are dealing with a supply that already exists in the hundreds of millions it's pretty logical actually each year i mean it's gonna happen might have to go door to door and dig into people's base memories but if you make guns all legal then then the only people who have guns or law by people me right now right leg and completely legal love you completely as it that's why manoeuvres out you mean yes that's why it's a circular logic that now because does the criminals are still criminals even if the guns illegal it's not everyone's on a law abiding citizen that has a gun if you give a gun to a criminal right but if you dont have the law in place to make it criminal in essence angry say will only bad guys will have guns if we outlaw them all right yeah because we outlaw them all i mean that's just etc
so if we have the law first because you're not changing the gun ownership you just changing the law maybe you're already we ve already made an illegal for people that are felons to possess firearms yeah but when you have that level saturation obviously doesnt work great right but it gets back the same issue a coward you ever pass it's like trying to get you know it's like taken a bucket of water modern thrown into the ocean and trying to get the fresh water out like how do you get out the guns that are in just stop adding sought so that's right we can't instantly solve it we just have to stop do in it the wrong way that's like the drug war i mean you you ve been into the drug worse a you know without a doubt it doesnt work but what are we still doing unlike its eyes were slowly moving away from national or we can stop right now millions you can literally just stop we're just quickly we started it we can say ok we're not gonna imprison people for those offences if they get
the crime and they shoot somebody will then go after them for the shooting what we do is we put that law in there and we make it with a court creating this we know what's wrong and we know to just stop this over the guns you know if you just stop manufacturing them we'll get somewhere if you just blocking people up for the drug war were get somewhere in improving then but we're not reduced keep doing the same it's been a year since i was here and we discuss these drug war issues we have really move the bar much more the thinking that it is up for ballot in several different states marijuana of course not not other drugs and slowly but surely it will become legal throughout the united states its most likely now washington dc as legal there's a lot places that are legal now that warrant legal before and then on the ballot in november in california and several other states i believe that other states as well but cap
marijuana just one right we benign law means really it's it's a book or rather benign substance in many ways it's not it's not a day jurists things on a real threat are harmed society guns are way more dangerous sure moving that changing but were creating that you know so we create the gun you're being used because of the drug war right and then we have people that are dying over heroin overdoses because of the drug war knows we ve had a lot of improvements and people dying of hormonal suggests is now that it's in massachusetts and stuff would mean in massachusetts way are like the cops aren't arresting there's a chief there that decided he was gonna be smart and he was going to lock up the heroin users he was gonna get him into treatment has had excellent success while the heroin problem down was one wonders cnn chose was detailing what actually won at went down i was anthony bore
ensure they were talking about how would what really happened was so many people got addicted to oxy cottons because of prescription drug companies push in that shit where people below people are like little small minor injuries nor prescribing pills that are opiates and highly addict there no different than heroin i didn't like literally their heroin and so that's money in part tissue again fighting the those drug dealers were getting everybody hooked on heroin were fighting the drug dealers are in the city so yeah that's a gigantic issue of course and then these people when they start to crack down on oxy cons that is when heroin moved in to take its place these people are sick they needed there pills they didn't get their pills than they got heroin instead yeah
but i mean so the outline and move on to some reform measures and what's been showing on the last year i says what would happen as the years gone on after i left here obviously people picked up and now that the euro can effectively everybody always talked about after they taught you out of your sight pay attention and i went back to baltimore and is dude send me an email as is they arrange it through leap that he's gonna come visit me anyway to talk about a movie all jews and so he can and so the corrupt hake aus gets here talk about some of these ideas very good movie idea that he as trying to put some of these things into an emotional appeal that people can understand in and comes close to them but what that did was is it it put
me to get more involved in baltimore so i could get the p other people involved in the project that would have have good ideas and would really know the streets well and with no the activism path what's going on a black eyes manner and everything in there and so i ve now to a bunch of the activists and we start forming these tight knit groups and come to find out due to the movie is matthew costs of rich and on earth do you not for his life with big star in france in thinking during a sequel to moving he may call a hair which we talked about these things in france france had very similar i per segregation problems in ghettos position twenty years ago and ended up having riots and they they do a lot to fix it and that's what he's comin down like a twenty year the union of that
but getting involved in baltimore and meeting every body i really have been like in a school of understanding of what the city's need and what people are true to fight for what the black eyes manner movement really means i just didn't i had all the lot of those same preconceived notions of like now be a white here owl thing where you going you help in your bringing your skills down and you dont really some things are saying and well you play into two privilege and things like that and get him going in there with them my my walls against muslims got torn down because ended up meeting muslim activists who were really treat using religion to do the right things here the good things that selective of course but getting involved
in the movement to the point where we're having these these groups and we're doing things like the panel discussions and we do they stop at first for people so they would see what it was like to actually have some money come up on you and search the your pockets and we ve been doing aki memories we ve been doing protesting where there's a met this lady twond jones brother was killed by bottom more police officers couple years ago and she from protest every single wednesday for tuna a few years fighting for her brother tyrone western i guess why they don't wednesdays and here he was beaten to death by bond workshops like literally beaten to death and we wanted to have things like where we say why don't we have people protesting good wise it always gonna be like burning down the cbs or something like that words are the good people and like i was just flabbergasted that they were everywhere in
what everyone thinks is the worst of neighborhoods was just filled people trying to do the right thing and try two to fight for justice in doing it in the most peaceful manner her brother was beaten to death by cops in what she does is peaceful protests every wednesday for two and a half years and doesn't get any attention for that when they have other crops that were that those same cops this guy up those alarm in front of his kid the exact same kind of of aggressive enforcement and would it opens up when the way of going about it is i got to see the other side and that really has affected me that vienna copy you how come up and you put him into the cell or are you taking the court case goes whenever you don't think about what that does on the other and you never see and then i convey in the communities and i saw the other side i saw it was like for a guy that came back from being
in prison in solitary confinement for three years and having no hopes of of reach i should like knocking on jobs and happiness fight just to get anything because he had that that record you get to see that yo those people you locked out like they have families who were profoundly affected by everything that happened in their gone for these years and it is this is it been really like i get a break receive and when we're talking about these conversations about dines in because those deaths on the other side that equation that she became real is can beat me like those are people now that i know and i know the families of the of people who are on the other side of that is wrong pushing it that's what we want we need to do really do yes nepeian these tribal creatures they can only see the those fellow humans are right with us that we associate as being our team like we're all that when we have we have to start having empathy for what these things dude other
when we have to see this cops don't see what their actions do in order to step up and say hey we shouldn't be doing this we have to get out of this denial bubble and being in up in the city is just give me this huge check or oil all my privileges in everything that we have we done understand how much advantages we have in life it's ridiculous the amount of factors that people have to fight against that we can't even disaster and this is all fairly new do you hear a man like i saw it evidential lee but you see it in person like the work that so the photographer devon alan pull up forever now he he took a pitcher my daughter that from a protest there's gonna be in dad he's doing this project now where he took the time magazine cover shoots
if you ever saw the time magazine donnie uprising where it says nineteen sixty eight and crosstown system sixteen was he took that fixed picture as a as a young black here that to be a drug dealer who pick up a camera his identity project kind of thing he did know what an identity project to us that i'm writing no identity project was at that time but he picked up the camera start taking pictures and he got that picture and his well known now but what he did was ass he took that and now he used the publicity from all that and he gets them out he gets all these start this project that this community development compound north and he could cameras now for all these kids not that he's getting paid he collects cameras from around the world brings it in and now here runs a thing going through in san on which has two were freddy grey was killed heat teach them
ex those kids in and teaches them photography and gives them that project so they have something they can grip upon on and they have some they can build up point but what would sad about that is that this is devon who has no resources who is the kid who was a drug who has everything bothering him and he is investing in those communities and trying to provide those things to give people the that that agenda where they can climb out of it and they can become they can see that vision of being a contributing member to society and they that's what we all have to do to give back these neighborhoods that's part of the way of fixing it is if when people want to help you we really have to go down there and say how can i help and do things like that because would you the feeling is that we all have a skill his skills photography but your skills is ding or comedy or talking or whoever you i got you have these skills that you can teach and you
impasse once or other people can see and identity some people can so some people can do what for it is we all have the skills and that's like how we help it you want to be someone helps you cities you go down there and you help supply that identity i did you see how many white nights or sand i'm going down the right now and i'm gonna help as well in the fog now but bootleg teeth so at north we created this thing that while they create this thing called the safe zone and what that is all worked out with everybody gets you thereby like humans they worked out with the with the drug dealers everything's going on in they participate in keeping this area of the city completely safe so that everybody come down there and you what if you got about where you want to be a white knight you come down a borrower reach out to an activist and you want to help its not dangerous you'll be fine there plenty of people that will help you and guide you through
you can do to contribute to make our society more hope plates mobs the bottom was a nurse either country there's gotta be places around here that need some sort of a similar samantha where you are now they're all the same all these cities are saying the face and all the same problems and that has helped me build this reform measures so my application for chicago is completely up if you want to put my website it's michael i would junior don't let me ask you this had you got in the pacific in chicago you are trying to be a police chief of police in chicago right if you had gotten opposition chicago what would you do what is your idea and i am sure you have a grand planet so thirty eight pages that her on this budget break my answer as well that the first thing we have to do is we have to give that power away and i think that's a condition that i have to have in order to take the job now i have a friend
who is actually a driver orange cargo was a cop and he told me that what's going on was that they had some pretty high level drug dealer in gang leaders and then they caught those guys and imprison them imprisoned and created a power vacuum and in their power vacuum over the last few years you're seeing significant ramp up in crime or people try to take over these areas that were under control by other people similar to what happens when you see when we take over countries like libya courageous power vacuum we have a case to the almost you say what's worse without gaddafi than it was women that sort of what this guy was telling me about chicago as accurate as possible that one of the big problems with policing is we think we can narrow things down and we can like find a soul causation
just simply isn't any soul causation there's never saw causation in anything dealing with a massive amount of human beings everybody has different reason you're not going to be able to do everything perfectly and those things can happen perfectly plausible that it could have happened a weird theory that i've started to run nice is that we in this study that they studied luca study they talk a lot about how these kids are really more passionate now and then get exposed to more and you can see that their work ethic is actually higher than it was we think that are not working but their achieving things at three to four hundred percent of what their parents achieve kids are ambitious and so if you don't have any other options around you have a more ambitious population that's now doing drug
again taking over territory would he mean by their achieving things three to four hundred percent more in their right so you have so the average in one like in the nineties for four high school diplomas in college for residents of a neighbourhood like sand town or these east west baltimore neighbour is worse that you can imagine in your head as far as resources go they the these kids are at sleep achieving so say their their parents got ten percent highschool diplomas these guys we get forty percent highschool diploma their parents were getting two percent degrees these guys are like twenty five thirty percent caused agrees so there really excelling but they're not achieving because of all these other barriers as you know so at a guy a black eye with a cost
three is slightly less likely to be employed than a white guy with a high school deployment of criminal record so even they're getting these promises that if they play by the rules then there get these things at the end just like poor white american west virginia is and where we have so is there being that they see these examples of with social media whenever an their understanding that if they push hard ass they took their told her push hard achieve these things then look at these rewards but they're not getting these rewards they're just not there air so if you have a more ambitious population in their turning to drug dealing and to crime well it's just a little likely there are also more ambitious and dedicated to their criminal endeavours as they were to their college achievement rides there better criminals as a working hans each generation proves re yeah is but there's or any improvement in terms of crime rates well
there are other are crime is still dramatically dropping and we are we live in the safe is era in human history right now are we caught up in a lot of this and that made sure that's gotta cases of weird argument for the gun guys were they can to say we are in the safest of our time in history ever so we have to not get caught up in the fact that if i let you set the eyes of things happening to your super allow especially compared to the rest of history canada sheer numbers you're dealing with what woe it would seem like crime the percentage of people taking crime is probably still about the same end then or or the amounts are the same but the population is growing so you have a lot lot less crime percentage wise and you ever have before but if you're criminals are that much better but there still gotta the ambitious but are they not much better resumes i get so much easier to catch them doing something now than ever before of than physically catch them
but made so much easier to know that's really contrary evidence solely yeah me homicide clearance rates for the eighties were in eighty ninety percent now they're down to thirty to forty five percent but is that from think that's from a breakdown of community relations because we think that cop cops cops are the answer the community is always the answer and so if you want solve a crime you have to have these good relationships with your communities in order and even trust you otherwise just reaches is gonna handle themselves right if the police don't provide justice will then will rush off he can't turns into police that's another fact we get there are tons of factors and you're in love arguments can be made for what it is but the conviction rate is dropped dramatic we and the homicide clearance rate has dropped dramatic the police are not sobbing crimes at the rate that used to
now when you look at an area like chicago that has a lot of violence connected to the drug war or to the drug trade i should say legal drugs selling it's not really resources to those who are actually treat fulfils in for a lack of those very good point and that's a point it doesn't get addressed that often right that's that's very good point now what can be done what would you have done had you got that position well so the first thing i have to do here here's my model and my funding until model is is think if you had a business and you have a board you know tat you have your board of trustees whenever you want to call it i want to be a civilian leader of the principle like a seal and i wanna have like officially forty nine pretend the power the agency and then we like seven people on this panel who come from the city who live in these neighborhoods i dont not sure precisely how we pick them out can appoint them because then they just become cronies
we have some issues with voting that that we may have to work out the details on but that the ultimate principle that we would have the majority of that board would be from the poorest of the neighborhoods around so you we had a board and what would will what would be the picking criteria to create this or would it be you and other police officers when this hash indeed civilians so hasn't millions pick the people that iran yeah i think they would have to pick them i think we have a vote this is i don't have that thought the opera okra but that the majority has to come from the poor population covering the base at whatever is good for the weakest among us is good for the strongest among us and then those boards by i run the agency i can only argue to them they have fifty one percent of the control i have all these things i want to argue for my but its fundamentally not my agency ok so that you would
most give most of the control to the rest of the people and they would work with you right so there i'm the ceo there the board they're going to come up with we're all gonna discuss how we want approach issues and i'm good to bring my science i'm going to make my cases as much as i can on the right way to do things but if they wanted new things another way it's their agency and that's too what i would have ever been done anywhere not that i'm aware of so you're you're ideas so radical and so way out there and that's part of the problem with getting people to accept it right they would have to take a huge chance and if it failed it would be therefore year whereas if it fails right now is that israel is usually the trick job to total cop out in a manner the failure is it my fault why but i'm saying where you will be the board's fought they had the agency so that people are responsible they can
each of the mayor were because they did it's there agency it's my job to serve them now my job to serve a mayor right it's my job to serve them carry out what they want to achieve so our work at it even when they want to achieve in establishing the milestones and incentives that they think are better for their neighborhood because they made two things which could dramatically have put in looks like such as hiring makes a now guys want higher because they have a drug complaint or something like they have a prior rest record why think if you get others poor neighborhoods again there are going to say what we know that that book rob the bat arrest doesn't stop you from being a good cop that's ridiculous and we can let those people in and they gonna take that risk as a home community we can decide these things so you're saying make former prisoners or for war criminals turn them into police officer not that far
but sure i made some of them so the difference between them and me we know is the color of my skin a neighbor i grew up in i could have easily had the criminal record that they have i think pretty much anybody yet right mean that's that's hard pill to swallow for folks who have that pull yourself up by your bootstrap mentality but a lot of who you are and what you are is luck yeah he's been important this country rehydration sharing advantage being born poor in this country is really way luckier then being born in the middle class and a lot of other countries right so this bore that we have how long you think it before they and the drug war it's gonna take a day here but they can't do that because it's a federal decision was initially you talking about the city of chicago was not even a state of illinois worse weekend you can stop you the federal government we don't don't laws we dont enforcer law period boy good luck trying to pull their illegal
the facts have become into themselves the feds would have to come enforced alike is not really do it right i have to say that what we were doing in colorado for allow yeah they tried that didn't work out right we'll colorado perfect example where the money was so good with plan that was initiated whether there making more money from taxes marijuana than they ever did with alcohol banana beyond the money you have a reduction in crime and in given our usage of marijuana and in drunk driving ass yet lois instances of drunk driving and more than a decade it's pretty interesting it's pretty just think as it just shows you but was predictable gas while for people like you or i but not for the people that were arguing against it they thought was can be chaos and hip he's not gonna like the town on fire and fuck each other in the streets and when i was gonna be horrible but you're talking about a different drug when you talking much cargo you're talking about heroin talking about cocaine talking about methamphetamine talking about em
these are different drugs and they have health consequences as well so illegal immigration or the prohibition what would the what they have right now is obviously not working the real problem would be if they decided to not enforce the drug laws and they decided to in some way in open air quotes legalise these drugs what would take place is you're going to have some blame be placed on some deaths on your new laws and that's gonna be paraded out in front of you this is your responsible the death of this young girl she never add heroin to because it was available at seven hundred and eleven she started snorting it in and out she's dead so my getting in the way that the that's not the the model the model so you have prohibition and we they were saying earlier you know what what prohibition dies is just a charming that they sell it ok takes the hands
put it into the black market yes so while yet here when is a terrible drug but why eggs heroin so bad is its lack of purity and the environment in which you you get it also the addictive properties which is why we were oxy can't even though its pure and very measurable it has a terrifying effect threat but what kind of consequence did you say that was it was a health consequence while it has a has not accepted criminal consequence unless gmo maize yet why you will oxy constantly do there's a lot of people who get arrested for illegally possessing selling and distributing it's a huge you were right i earnestly i mean the drugs period of rivalry health issue yes there not a criminal issue there not a prison issue there are public health issue so we treat that with health professionals not with jail salesman and police so well made it's not like i'm saying that the drug dealers can go out there and just deal it that's not what i want i want a doctor handling
anything i want it moved into just no different than our mother but the doktor handling is that's what happened in florida what happened in florida developed this environment where they didn't have a database or they the doctors and the pharmacy companies were all in cahoots and they said let's just sell the shit out shareholders and the statistics were staggering there was more prescriptions for oxy cottons and opiate pain killers in florida than the rest of the united states come by and no that is not what are they doing with it they are selling it there making our selling italy it around the octagon express a documentary that showed that these people were bring it from florida upstate into georgia can tighten the data on how the market they wouldn't have a market in chicago with me right florida couldn't do that
because you won't have a market the sullen and so the only reason that back there because the only reason take away the market the only reason that exists is because making those sell it on the black market so if you take away the black market has been the distributor then oh you would allow people just sell it no no no only doctors only doctors certain drugs first so cannabis is something that we need to put in a model similar and we have things in like portugal or what portugal does they decriminalize it so they don't put p in prison cells for possessing it and if you want to still go after the dealers as a half measure you know like that's a half measure i'd have to swallow the dome completely believe in but we can work those things out mean you if you're the panel and i'm the ceo we can work these things out and come to a position where we're like ok let's try this and if you if you want to go by the incremental is on then we see
that's ok just like in colorado already has proven that the cannabis model is is fine so to start with the kind of his model a move that in and then we can say are it would let's put cocaine into this model and then see how that goes if you wanna be incremental about it and find with them the annabelle model it did the prom mozilla innocuous how'd negative effects are just this is really there is almost nothing is so little to follow and we don't make that case of alcohol arrive echo that's true but tobacco is not a good one because it's a long slow death as long as it as long as it takes a long time yet we can accept that how we look out it's almost like what were they don't like animals hawse meet the cost of tobacco is extraordinary and on our health care system no doubt about it and when you think about alcohol that's the real argument because alcohol is one the easiest drugs kill yourself with people i thinkers
staggering number thing it's like ten thousand people drink themselves to death every year just in this country which has really pretty shocking and that does count drunk driving alcohol related violence and all the other things that go along with it problem with making heroin or cocaine would decriminalizing everything go out going after the dealers is envelope gave these people get hooked on where are they going to get it then will they have ro doctor and was just the way we have to do it so it is in our treatment but it then becomes exactly like four but remember what we do know we do know that every million spent on the demand side reduces by a hundred kilograms bright so we have to keep focusing on education i dont know if those people that got photon maxie became heroin attics if they had the education that this was the path they were gonna go wine you god believed that a significant percentage of them would have gone that path
i mean now we're all aware of it and i note plenty of people now that the doctor says here some oxen like no no no don't give me something now what do people that are so fuckin down they just want a part and you're gonna need some of those things are a little harder to sarajevo adam drink themselves to death and when you know that's hard pill for people to swallow but it's better put him in a prison cell yes it is what you are going to dream drinking too much too excessive alcohol use led to approximately eighty eight thousand deaths and two point five million years of potential life lost what does that mean i gotta like just ain't drunk driving in the united states two point five million years a bitter people's lives guideline that's a weird fuckin statistic from two thousand sixty two thousand ten shortening the lives of those who died by an average of thirty years yeah ok so it definitely
that's life lost the meaning you drink yourself into an early grave that's a weird thing to argue but the eighty eight thousand des over a period of four years that's that's harsh but that's what we were saying meaning in its essential that more than one but we also know the solution to or a solution to a significant portion of their education education and when i say that marijuana yeah so developing joint empirically we know those will improve the situations but instead we continue to do things we know don't work right right so i'm a scientist i am interested in what works i would argue what works in someone else can argue against it but that's gonna be what i can can you to argue for i dont have in emotional position or on diane i mean i'm following the evidence right we we literally no these things
not only that there is also a drug that is illegal that has a significant impact on addictions called i've again and again which is being used for in treatment facilities all throughout south american mexico with massive positive results is illegal in this country for no apparent reason and i've heard the people do that are just like that's it seems they take it out i don't want any more to carry out what to do it requires the way your brain content rates or the way your brain is affected by these substances and requires addiction mean i'm not one to explain how it works but you'll be in this week and he'll probably the best person to do it got another one this is from the washington post this statistic of how many americans drink every week today's plenary that what in fact thing right here up to ten drinks per day last upturn is the top ten percent of american adult twenty four million of them consuming
average of seventy four drinks per week or little more than ten francs per day hallway shifts appeared to about thirty percent that don't drink at all hope and how many of them are doing that because canvasses illegal well i'm sure quite a few but quite you mean i look there's a lot of obviously i'm a marijuana enthusiast i love it i think its awesome i wants when a bright now think about i'm a big fan but some people don't like it they don't like the abrasive lee introspective properties of cannabis i don't like the paranoia they don't like the vulnerability feelings you get from it i like those those are good for me my personality i have to tie bay aggressive now i'm good with substance substance compound of that sort of like coms down and mellow me on it gives me a different prospect
have i enjoy it nothing it's good for people are really do i think a lot of the thing the people associate with negative aspect of cannabis the partition the paranoia i think that's good i really do do i think we need to feel more vulnerable having more freedom more vulnerable is better for you because it enhances a sense of community and friendship and love and a lot of ways and it it into bonds people together i think this idea that you're an individual that you are you know you're alone rebel out there kicking ass and taking names you're doing all by yourself that's all i wrote it instantaneously by canibus it just said no no no no you're a talking monkey spinning ball flying through infinity fuck head like i plug it scared i'm gonna die someday i quite agree with you more i think those are the important qualities for entire race the human race it enhancing more
unity type feelings and thoughts and i think that's the opposite with some drugs ex stimulants do stimulant i've always avoided stimulants and not a fan of than coffee i've never really tried them but i've seen there fact on other people one of red about their effects in islam what i'm looking for onawandah be cocky at you i d i'm trying to fight whatever urged is my body in my personality have to sort of lean towards that but i think that people that get involved speed people to get involved with coke those are people that are like unduly covered its as a bad drug for society and its it's a drug that is very selfish in its effects like the the impact it has on people's they become really selfish nasty and i'm not into that i think that alcohol for some people
is is an escape from the reality that they find themselves in and they don't know how to get out and i think education like we're talking about before allowing people to have access to this stories and the the tat either the consequences that other people have experienced from taking that drive will help them what kept me from doing coke when i was young was having friends that had problems with it and that educated meals like fire going to want to be like that guy have that happened to me i see what's happening to this person some people dont get exposed to that instead before they know no already in it there try and when their fifteen next thing you know they like it too much next thing you know they're looking forward to doing that because it provides some sort of an escape from the pressure of the consequences of pursuing a dream of chasing down life or not having a direction that's another one not having like you're saying the identity that you're focusing on whether it's this gentleman there was a photographer or someone else at once
to be an athlete or someone else who wants to be an author whenever it is one thing you're chasing if you don't have that thing this dispute the futility of life is very overwhelming to some people and they want to escape that pain the pain of not knowing what the fuck you're doing and a thing some of that and this goes home go way out there but i think some of that goes back to the hunter gatherer didn't means that we have in our in our our own bodies we're in a lot of ways were a prisoner to the needs of the past and the needs the past were very goal oriented yet go out there you go to pick the right about foods that unity yet a hunt the animals or touch the fish and that was the goal and we were very goal oriented in that way you have to go there and do that you had a work hard and then through those goals yet this feeling of satisfaction when you're just getting food and its it comes to you when your job involved
something that's not rewarding in any way shape or form and this is what you have to do to get that food you sort of two get out all the natural reward systems that our bodies are designed to to sort of gravitate towards and unless you find a passionless you find an art or craft or a trade or some sort of a thing that excites you mentally and stimulates york activity and stimulates your ambition your left lost and there's a lot people that are just left lost and unfulfilled and unsatisfied and i think those types of people gravitate towards alcohol and a lot of other drugs as an escape and that's a part of the problem with society was how we view drugs we view drugs as an escape rather than an enhancement or rather than a perspective and an enhanced or will we view them as all this guy's week he needs a drug i i think i think spot on
i don't know how you can argue that it like ties altogether so i know you sally liberal i mean you'd poorly sally liver hippies when you like start putting all these things together but these things really do tie in together so you have the alcoholism because people horrified earning their identities so we should be doing things like how people yet identities if we want to safer environment right so it's not about taken those people and put him into prisons azure articulated it's about finding that passion or educating them to do something and end so if you want to help or police or whoever want to help you have to addressing those kind of issues and i think so people one thing we ve noticed at throughout throughout human history is that when things are really tough and there no resources right
the leaders of the oppressed like so say it is really easy to use the black segregated neighborhoods right now is easy example scientists eases an obvious and sell to very good so the masculine members of a society that cannon chief something they turn to making everything about masculine eddie and dominance accepting of the of that lower realm and they start to treat intelligence and education as a feminist or or weak and and so you have that that might plays into the culture of where you have the guns and everybody here too near the disrespecting culture and this is my corner kind of culture so we have those kind of benefits that are factor off oh in levelling the playing field for everybody and contributing so one of the things
we're doing right now is were building a studio like this in baltimore and it's called a radio revolver and now to be my shameless plug so go find me radio revolver wisdom a few more thousand dollars a figure fix everything in doing so we are making yet so we have a video recording like sky obsession we have the podcast the whole set up like this for with eight mike's china said everything that we have local artist that are painting everything in the inside lemons sabra known ap we're gonna talk over each other never have more to do we ve made a mistake may times we have this fight campaign for in their my best friends well fuck him yell alone over each other i try to watch one of those the other day i was like oh my god i'm gonna headache sometimes if that there's a very fine i guess i use we get hammered ridiculous but i'm just saying if you have beat people really it's like here that expression why why
boy one always work to boys half boys work meaning that we give you have two young kids together and are working on something discussed are talking shit and it's not gonna get done wondering why we do have one kid that's digging a hole he can actually get that job done but if you have like four people nothing gets done now then that's really the case giving already its eight peoples to me so one of the people that i met was if you ever hurt cyril podcast jamie tina shore so what now wherever the first season is about and not saeed whose wrongfully improves right now in maryland still ripe so he definitely wrongfully i think so well so goddess of whether you get at point of whether he did not a modestly unaware the case what it was like used of so in high school at seventeen of murdering his ex girlfriend a classmate at will high school
evidence regardless of whether what someone was argue about whether it actually did or not the evidence is is extremely clear that you do not have the evidence to put this individual in jail period not there his best friend is the partner with me for radio revolver and we end up being connected four because i helped out on that podcast for awhile and we have this community that we form now so he's helping me with this and this is an example of how you use your privilege answers nationalism so i was institutionalized by what i said before by the the cow sitting people in all the things they did private i'm most proud of is that i instantly switch from that sensationalism to how we fix them things and what the reform measures are and we don't even talk about their sensationalism anymore but tracing the sensationalism was important because it brought you to people like makes critical yeah right so the success when this of turning that around into something productive part of that
this radio revolver so if you have privilege and you have an advantage or something which you have to do is you have to build platforms for other people build structure so that other people can rise not just for yourself and the idea behind this is where we have the new work solely and of being turned key it's in it of room that anybody can come in at any time and if the community the committee members we are having today and i think we're we're gonna have a problem with who we cut out versus who we're gonna let in and work creating the entire infrastructure under one umbrella for them to come and have their voices heard and get their message out there they can build a podcast they can vote a video like a tv show type of thing and that none of this has ever gonna cost any of them anything and if they succeed and we end up getting to appoint were in the red then we just start taking all the profits and tribute him out to whoever proportionally has the park ass it does the best or whatever but the point is that is it is it you
that that is going to enable at will ten to twenty identity projects somebody else has to come in and do the other end of that take whatever you have and do that cites kind of thing if you have money than we can take the money we can do something go with that if you have that skill then you can come into a place like were building replace le pen north impasse that all that is really what we have to do it individual level and if so i would always love of people would help me out with radio revolvers so we can get that finished so you're what you gonna do as you gonna put together podcast and through that podcast you're gonna have people tell their stories you're gonna expose though it has a world to the plight these inner cities and that the positive stories while people rising out of them and your friend the photographer and a bunch of other people that you gonna get exposed to so i think one of them
important things for a young person is to believe that they can somehow another be successful i remember one when i was young where poor i always identified with poor person and i never thought that i would be anything other than a poor person because i would see people that were we healthy and they ve they always felt so different than me there was felt so but anyone who is successful should just say wealthy just a normal person like you know someone who lives in a normal house with in our garage and that you know wow that's that's a person that the american aspires to they feel different than you if you from a broken home if you're from poverty and in my case obviously was nothing in comparison to the extreme poverty that a lot of people face but i still remember feeling really and secure really disconnected from successful people i think
that mindset is very difficult to overcome very difficult to very difficult to believe that you can achieve something very difficult to believe that can rise from no matter where you are if you continue to work and you can t see your goals and you can avoid all the pitfalls of the negative aspects of society you can do better you can do better and you can feel satisfied in there and to give people all these opportunities to see people who have done the very thing that europe aspiring to do massively beneficial because gives them sort of like a little bit of a blueprint get its emmy and that's exactly two point would you say these days i mean you may as well just do me say am i agree with you completely i mean it's a critically important that that we at these up for people in and they can do they do that now just reminds me when you said that they come up to my house and like that's like success to them and that's what i am i mad dude with the same
a family home in a garage and not really only money a bootleg down is obviously all anybody ever really needs wants me you can a giant ass fuckin house but let me tell you something does your house you know that it's just where you live it's if is a comfortable is it safe yet that's what everybody really want europe definitely that's really what it's all about and one of the most positive aspects of doing this podcast is running into people that i've met that said hey man i've been doing stand of colonies three years now i'm actually working comedian i've i did it from listening your pa gas i knew that i could do it because you told me that any we can do it if you just try that you i'd isis suck i tell everybody i always i was fuckin terrible you but you can chip away at it and she's listening you recordings knowledge as i've a million fucking people that have started doing jujitsu now i mean it's amazon a million but it's not accountable anymore of ran into so many people that hey madge got my purple belt started do you guys you know now
competing my martin weir lifestyle so much healthier i e cleaner everything better my life is used to be depressed so much more positive so i take great satisfy i was a private something network work great satisfaction feels awesome to talk to people that have looked at this little book but a blueprint that i've laid out and said look anybody could do this you can do this whatever path earns that you're following because the people that you around or in these negative patterns you don't have to follow those patterns it's one of the beautiful things about social media the beautiful things but the internet as you can kind of choose what you follow mean you can go just follow negative stuff all day long you could concentrate on negative bullshit and you could be one of those people who goes on twitter and just bombs on people in sheets on people all day and then that's gonna be your point of focus but you're not gonna get any better at anything doing that you're not gonna have a better life you're not gonna feel better in other be happier you're not gonna spread anything anything anything beneficial
nothing positive to anybody but you can take a choice to not do that and a lot of times you need to see that someone else has done that in order to help you do that our whereas by others jessica inspire me right now i'm thinking about how many identity projects the you lead even though they were the maybe not even been obvious to you because you ve gone and use this platform to do these things i think is highly honourable view that you use this platform so that i talk about these things about bjaaland blacklist matter and about police reform and things like that that's like the the typical like prototype of what what we're talking about you you're doing great work but by doing that help me a lot to honestly i mean i think everyone's life is a constant journey you hear me less you just stay sedentary you don't go anywhere and you don't take any new data you're you're it is all about re evaluating the way you think or
evaluating it or enhancing it or adding to it or removing some negative aspects of the way you think and one of the best ways it found to do that has exposed myself too interesting people like you or like any of the other people that have of had the pleasure and the opportunity to talk to on this podcast you get this i mean i've had three our conversations with eight hundred fuckin will not eat unpeopled people eight hundred times and having those kind of conversations it forces you'd think forces you didn't wanna things that everyone was saying that really resonated with me is it he likes to write your rights every day and one of things it is and why he likes to right as it makes him solidify his own thoughts he thinks about us i'm thoughts and it really sort of like it allows him to really really kind of examine them and in and in debt
as to how we really truly feels about something and really get up a cleaner perspective instead of just a lot of people me included i've been guilty this in the past we operate on momentum we just get a path iran it for some whatever reason and industry stuck and you just behave that way and think that way and then you don't ever examine that universe tim and writing allows you to really pause and look at that podcasting does the same in a lot of ways it allows me to pause and really think about some of the things that i've attached myself to or nah touch myself in its record is never going to be able to eyes i'm just reported and should live right so it is you see it's you who you are you know and offer good or bad did you see negative aspects of the way you think in the way you talk and then you get to see them precautions who knows needed to consider like why did i think that way was i just was it just a jerk reaction was it just was attired that day
i not respecting the medium was i not respecting the power of these thoughts in these conversations most likely a combination of all those things but through the personal grew that is been afforded me by the podcast its help me in as much as its helped anybody it's help me tremendously and when these kind of conversations with people argue or giant part of that things i gotta take the highest level either but i i can't i can't sing arisen enough for having that kind of mentality and being the alpha now that is vulnerable and lets people see that it's ok that those things are important it's ok for for the tough guys that letter guard down and be introspective and to be people that are willing to help and reach out it's entirely admirable legs
frank is another person that i've gotten close eve had ammonia arising in genk genk signed his name right glad that you say i write egypt's about that how like people no my whole life saving as he writes genk reg j writer while the young turks what would they as they have developed a sort of alternative media platform that's outside of the mainstream media but it has arguably as much impact when you look at what they never do on youtube and their one of many you know there's a lot of people that are pushing unusual ideas on the internet the amazing atheists is another one of really enjoyed a lot of his stuff lately she jays a fuckin really bright guy and he puts out some really interesting well thought out videos pay or somethin that's given has an address it's all about drank we got jake jesus he's gotta go see and this we just don't count chain so
but our money where our mouth is we got knocked up this year it has got locked and you see i rested of sea and aroused pitchers at genk did two yet arresting the earlier we got arrested together generous of four for sitting in for democracy spring is that by serving protecting how does that were evident serving do you will you yeah do you guys get a wreck arrest records for that so i still get in canada i guess genk does lodge i rest record so i thought it because it wasn't easy to close the aid hosting aggravated so but they ended up dropping the charges on me ok we haven't got a phone call that there is no way they're gonna put me a chance to speak in asia record at public forum whence i said area of us away john ladys is what would you protesting to get money deposits so we're nights people
jack and i are not just talking over asses on this we mean it and so we went and we participated in parts and got the arrest washington d c and logical arrested for what are the charge like loitering or some bullshit reality clearly worded it and so it's because you are protesting in a public area blocking traffic or something that they said there is no way trying to go in or out of the capital and that's where we were right but they wouldn't be able to have their say want to because you away well that's kind of loitering right but that does get attention and so what you are the largest mass arrests in dc history like two hundred some of us again arrest of the first day while forty fifty overall so that we have some good pictures of it if jimmy their websites not working it's me word photography em a p w o o d out those of my phone so so
what were the cops like when they arrest you i'm sorry this is bullshit we gotta russia or they be index some of them are still being tax level bleak considering it was when you see this crowd so they were treating you like an actual criminal even though is pretty obvious you're trying to campaign against others the nobody really thinks is a good thing money in part right the lieutenant the said a guy that you guys right you're doing that really the lieutenant said right hold these are capital police i've sang the praises before but they face a lot so they handlers there's check that that's captain re louis he also was arrested and english versions uniformed he's a retired philadelphia police officer
and he wore as uniformly does and got arrested in his uniform visa and they took it sign and threw it away and they charge you say was a science a massive civil scratched out disobedience is next warning massive disobedience stacks wasn't me well because i'm assuming what he means by this but right now the disobedience a civil rights it's over proto we're doing things like this but late i'm flabbergasted that the black community in these neighborhoods hasn't really said enough is enough yet like the idea will they have children and family members dying in these streets are probably scare to get arrested man that they are but i just there there's a breaking point this coming and that's that's what he's trying to say is and what i've tried to cereals on don't grow what's up with due to the nose ring the fox conner he's a he's an fool you remember tribe he's from
participates in the light of these things and what about the do with a musket straw now i don't know that i have decided that it would look like must get when i was lazy the tipp of it what the tipp of the thought it was just a musket i thought it never just the two of us nor sand dollars in what does that scroll down dollars in politics grass tranche of sorts of essentially just a bunch of people standing in a place where the government didn't think you should be able stand right and we gotta keep drawing attention to this money in politics is a really think that's the room is the root of area that we can't and the drug war because of this we can't move anything for we can't do police reform because it s democracy sprang they're calling that was the one day different groups different days so as a whole week long as was the first there was the biggest day and you have me and hang us at the end of eventually but
and so now some alleged stamp jennifer to spend the night annoying i was nor and was a real job there are so many people it was just like they were keeping us innocently more panza felt like it so we would just be like penned off mr varela and had like like fences they portable fences and they really pretty late so it is now you really couldn't get out you could get out if you want to suggest a curve of our i wanted to i wasn't gonna go right for an escape charge her so silly but like so the so dumb way to handle it smile and skin handcuffed to risks it's a pretty white crowd eyes fast so i think that hopes on where the police act like something just site to be hanging out with jack yeah weird so
that's an example of another thing i mean you can go and you can participate in these things and so if that is a passion of yours think that's another identity thing that we have you can you can go and put these groups are all these groups out there you're saying that if people feel lost in their turning to two other things but we have all these things out there and if you don't have once create one they're out there they d whitey family your family like black lives matter we have tons of of mood it's going on that that you can do something positive with no matter who you are okay so tell us one more time what's the name of this pod gas and one do you hope to things you start so namely the pollack has that radio right now is called cod rate a revolver and that's just the umbrella why radio revolver guns yeah reform we have that play soap revolving door like a prison cells how i envisioned than what it is like a gun logo and is known and unknown i can't do that radio revolver potash network
grace to hear some of the friends that i've made that are activist around and there are definitely be ones that are in there we were doing serious show we took that pitcher and so the donating his search for equipment for rental space about which we have this space was dominated by sod it's a basement of his house all blocked often and done so that's not an issue we have that done what do you need we're service but was gettin last bit of equipment we have some local artist painting the walls now grant and as it were clause will i mean like maybe three thousand dollars and were were set well let me know when you guys launch an hour absolutely tweeted out letter but it'll be aware of it the fur one is going to do so again the car the thing that we're going to do as we just take advantage of me ripe and the publicity so the one is going to be a joint project with undisguised this too is filled with cereal story and r and d
one's gonna be misconduct and which is going to be one of the serious we have significantly multiple podcast coca one of them is gonna be misconduct and then you have like the photography water you're have a public health when like doc large brown us is going to a public health one essentially billion a whole station whole station grant everybody that once in now as long as you learn what you're doing and everything you ll be able to have your voice heard in whichever manner you want that's a great idea because you know this is one of the easiest way to get a message out and the mess instead you know you when you hear someone talk man in you hear their words and you get to know them through the hours and hours of conversations you get a nome and are really deep intimate way you're shining example i bet you walk around here by this year they know you people hug me out of a normal what's up right so the first ones called miss and which is gonna be a series and i'm gonna do the first one and gonna be the killing of gray so work
we're gonna do for that is go through the story and when we first goethe the story the first episode will start and of war start telling what happened like so these cops are in this neighbourhood and freddy graze in this and then we go but wait why does it look this way and then so like some like dark brown will come in we're go overthrew the history of segregation how the neighbourhood are formed the way they are why the cops are all why why the citizens or all black and we'll go queen s story and then the next episode i'll start over again start telling the story we were hit the next hurdle which will now be some and like all why are they going after him for the drugs and why they chasing him so then what right down the history of the laws and why that's why that is done days what policing philosophies have led to this until we finish the entire story and everybody can understand the new wants to what have behind the murder of regret all right listen thanks very much
i appreciate it and will deafening want to do that thing with my friend justin if he's down we'll have a fuckin gun control hoedown up in this bitch i'm certainly too and will definitely promote your pod gas as soon as it launches radio revolver so good a go fuck me dotcom ford slash radio revolver go and contribute and you can follow michael on twitter michael would juniors that whereas until i got a virgin michael a wood junior on twitter thank brother verily i wish it is good to see you again we'll do it again it's definitely thank you folks we'll be back soon by big cares mamma mamma you my friends for tuning in thanks to cave coffee for power in us through this mother fucker y gotta caveman coffee yoda carnegie yourself some single source single family single origin goodness knows what the most important things about caveman is that it all comes from one place we know work comes from this one far
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