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burn yourself to good at this study. If, while a paper, I wrote it, it was a theoretical paper with a dermatologist a few years ago, when we looked at some evolutionary explanations for the capital biology of some tanning. So if I were to ask me now without you knowing anything about it or not much what I wish everyone who do you what's the typical demographic of the sort of obsessive Santana Merrill's, but there were women burn single and they usually tend to discount the future consequences for the immediate benefits right right. And cigarettes surprised smoke is obvious. As a matter whether I'll get melanoma when I'm seventy three I'm going tonight to the party in power, We might be there another, and so we sell so with this this there phenomena, had written to me was doings fellowship and said: look I've got a spot on my research requirements that have to write a paper tonight. You know you're the big researcher. Can I do a paper with you? I said, but you're dermatologist. What can we talk

and then I thought well, let's do the evolutionary routes have some there and that's how that paper came to me is how an evolutionary there. What's evolutionary about Girls. I dont think about the future while no it's it's are their particular ways that we can predict the demographics of people who do certain behaviour so, for example, pathological gambling, who do you think, is likely to succumb to that affliction. Pathological gambling. I would say manner with all that man, All men in their thirties low status lost out on average I'll go and the reason is because it it's one of a multitude of strategies to acquire resource

right and it's the same reason that men rob banks, not women, and so you could look at us another one eating disorders, who do you think, succumbs to eating disorders, more an erection, revolts and particular: ok, women, women now, typically the social sites. Explanation has always due to exposure to media images brought about turns out to be a laughably. False premise lies at laughable So he was ever share angle. Ogre. Hypocrisy is founder of modern medicine. Two thousand plus years ago had documented the exact same IP demi ology of eating the sore disorders and women. So it certainly cannot be because of media right so that there must be something biological that explains the sex specificity of these different

dark side. Could some folks, and so the evolutionary perspective is too then look at to the extent that these human universals manifest themselves in exactly the same way across time and place? What might be some of these biological drivers compulsive buying almost exclusively women? Ninety percent women pornographic since almost exclusively mail and web of assisting with this one was just about this one, the but the interaction of Rosa you first, When you turn him on, hypocrisy is you're talking to one loan, individual, so completely anecdotal piece of evidence, and he said that women were throwing up the status symbol back then for women to be overweight, so they actually it's it's a good question, eating disorders are much more likely to occur and cultures of plenty brain precisely

because the argument is that you can shut off your reproductive window today, because what happens when you so here's the evolution angle when you, when you suffer from eating disorder, the first thing that happens physiology you get was called I'm an area. The primary Eminem area is where you haven't had your Menzies yet and now they don't come on. There's no offense those arguments recycled, use it you say: Menzies Dementia, Zella, the technical term, for the fancy to Africa. Hence it sounds like some little kid cod Mamma and get my Menzies now secondary malaria is where you already had your menstrual cycle and that's shut off. Once you become once you have an erection. Ok, what happens when you have an arrest when you have an area is at you you're you're, a productive potential shut and so what evolutionary scientists have found is that it turns out that when women suffer from entering Rosa there is some environmental trigger that their being exposed to

rightly so or wrongly, so that they think they should shut. If their men cease their reproductive potential for a better future gents out. I'm saying woe so when it never give you the background to this. There is a model called the reproductive suppression model found in other mammalian species, that's a cow! So if you take a cow, what would be the biggest environmental threat that it faces other than predators? what would you think tainted water food or just how much food she can, how right brandish access to enough calories to sustain gestation right right? Well, it turns out that in and mammalian species a wide range of Emily species. So How there was a mechanism and evolutionary mechanism that either causes the females of the species to either shot off their reproductive window or, if their already pregnant, and there's an environmental input that says hey. This is not look good. What do you think happens to their body where they do the delay aboard the field they aboard the fetus raw and now posed neatly you have infanticide,

So in this case you have the child, but realize, for whatever environmental reason that it's not going to be fruitful to raise that child and you buy If you see it than human cultures, when typically the one who was killed as the last born as you would expect, because the other chill but now you ve invested quite a bit in them, and so, if you're going to get rid of some of your genetic package, you go into the one that you ve invested. Listen, so all of these mechanisms that are part of something called the reproductive suppression model, the idea is that eating disorders is a special and sensation of that, because what the eating this Where is doing its shutting off your reproductive potential because you're getting a malaria right but is that absolutely connected to why women get anorexic because it could easily be just a side effect of them wanting to be ridiculously skinny? I get that like would understand with a cow with something that's living in a very wild life, a wild world

this animal welfare is eating grass and when resources are depleted, like nature kicks in, but there, but there's no conscious decision making process when a woman is deciding to be anorexic at least theirs form of decision making process that wants her to lean towards a slimmer physique. So that speaks to a very interesting distinction and so bear with me, as I said, Ok, there's something in evolutionary theory known as proximate versus ultimate explanations: wrongs, with an actually that speaks to the article that I had sent you as one of the points I discuss an article proximate explanations in science explained the how and the work of something much of science operated the proximate level. If you want to explain what diabetes is exactly physiologically speaking, you explain it at the proximate level, ultimate explanation is the darwinian why why would something have evolved to be of that form or less

discuss it in relation to something related to eating disorders, pregnancy seconds so pregnant he sickness is a phenomenon that women experience around the world. This universal phenomenon found in all cultures, approximate explanation might be or approximate exposure might be how do shifts in a woman's estrogen levels the severity of her symptoms. That's a question. The ultimate question is: why have women devolved that physiological response before I give the answer guess what that might be. Why do they developed as the ultimate response? So why is it that women experience prejudice by like call it pregnancy things, but I mean that the typical colloquial terms morning, second,

but some women don't experience it in the morning. I have no idea why someone you Eddie there so pregnancy sickness happens during the first trimester of gestation during a period called organ or genesis. This is when the fetus is developing. Its main organs during that particular period is particularly important that the and not be exposed to food pathogens, territorial men than that might harm the developmental pathway of the fetuses organs there for all of the mechanisms that she experiences attraction to certain foods, pickles of repulsion from other foods, the the feeling of feeling you'll be nauseous. The throwing up all of those built in mechanisms are evolved, MECCA it seems that are meant to protect, possibly the fetus from being exposed to territorial and it's perfectly times

that whence organ of Genesis ends that's when the pregnancy sip symptoms and so the difference between proximate, an ultimately not that one is a better explanation and the other is that you need both levels of explanations to perfectly understand: something that makes total sense, but what it doesn't necessarily apply to why women become anorexic, because the the desire to be slim, to look very thin and public is very strong because of social, media or media? Rather I mean depictions of women. There always almost impossibly slim, and then on top of that they also had Photoshop to it. So in the end there lose their explanation to the eating disorders story, as there is something, the environment that the woman in question is thinking is a threat to her. Could you think the same thing as the cow felt for the lack of calories? Can you think in the human context, what my

be such a threat. Does Europe thing so well and not enough what would be such as, for example, if you feel rightly or wrongly, right doesn't doesn't matter women whom jack the leech, true or not whatever she feels is what reality is right if she feels that there isn't going to be sufficient either can support extended, can support when she raises a chop or the most likely thing is partner support. If she feels that there is likely to be a good partner who is going to support her since whereby parental species, then she engage and shutting down her reproductive window, hence what you said is true at the proximate level Reagan, her thinking can become this. This ordered so that she actually looks at herself in the mirror, even though she's only seventy pounds- and she still thinks that she's fat, but that's approximate explanation, but the explanation that I've given you is the ultimate darwinian white together. They make a full, complete explanation of the phenomena so,

It doesn't occur in people that have very healthy relationships with a spouse or at risk is much more rarely much more rare exactly so. The research shows the evolutionary shows that the environmental threats equivalent to lacking of grazing area for the cow is lack of extended, can support or made support to the woman. That makes sense. That makes sense, because it is primarily single women right does that they have anorexia, and that's why, by the way you see it and cultures of plenty rather than in Ethiopia, because you would expect that the woman who shuts off her reproductive potential today, hey it's because she's hoping that in some future state things will be better for her to get back on the report, of train when you're in Ethiopia. I dont have a chance to shut off my reflected presidential. I need to get the food tomorrow, I'm going to die while interesting

but what that still doesn't cover is hypocrisy is so he pocket is just one. Guy right who had sufficient data base at the time to describe the findings in very similar form the current ones. What I'm saying basically is that, if it were that its due to media images, then well either have media images in that time. Right I mean. So how would it be that an ancient Greece? It is also the case that it is only women, who experienced an erection votes or what did he describe? What was he talking about? the specifics. I don't know. I haven't read the the original it's kind of a horse. Ya know I call you just did that aren't like depictions of women like its desirable for them to be overweight depends on I'll. Try me that I used the usual universal that we typically talk of in terms of body types. Is that it be an hour glass figure which actually is going to speak. The second point, that of a paper

send you so an evolutionary theory. What we do, typically as we build what are called normal logical networks of chemotherapy in other words when you're trying to make an evolutionary argument. If you don't just come up with a post, HAWK story, a sum people who the understand evolutionary theory like to say that all we just concoct these post hawk speculative evolutionary stories. As a matter of fact, the eventually threshold that evolution is typically seek to achieve it we very high. So let's take the hourglass figure, for example. So what is some data that would convince people that men have evolved the penchant for the hour glass figure? So let's go through somebody's you ready. Ok, what is some data yet so, in other words voice. If I wanted to convince you unequivocally of the adaptive argument, the evolution argument as to why men might prefer the hourglass, furthermore be besides. They should have bigger. Hips would make it easier for her to breed ll

our job fat deposits in the breasts in the ass. It makes it healthier. She is fat storing for she's. We shall have healthy offspring, sodomy jump in Sulaco. So if you had medical and reproductive data, that shows that women, who have that particular body type, are more likely to conceive. Then that would be one check short and we have it Then we might look for human universals of that preference. In other words, we want some use data from you, see Ellie Undergrad, to tell us what types of body types would prefer we go to. The a more tribe in the Amazon and ask them what type of body types they prefer and so on. So, if you then, a straight the universality of that preference. That's another check. Now we could look at art data. You you pointed to some of the depictions through the mask Reuben it. We could look at them from ancient Greece, from ancient Egypt, the faroes and so on from Africa from India. And we could take the statues from those cultures spanning several thousand years and do occur

an analysis of the statues and show that they they come very close to that hourglass figure we could take if that's not enough data, this one's gonna clinch it for you but theres, many others that I could give you you could take congenitally, lined men. These are men who have never had the gift of sight, and you could show have thickly through touch that they prefer women that have the hourglass figure, which which immediately negates the possibility that is due to the fact that they were taught those preferences through the media right, so you systematically collect data from multiple converging lines of evidence where that that data, becomes overwhelming it becomes unassailable and that's how you built in adaptive argument so kind hurry to all the guys who say: oh evolution, has just come up with these cute post. Hawk stories were actually proof, finally, more meticulous and assiduous in the data that we collect well is

really been established that so many men prefer soft mushy. Hourglass type figures is supposed to hard body. The women, how many women are you, let these blind guys grope I got they getting a relay study, sample use, Rome or dislike, because I like it good, we got it well that the particular date where the concern of the blind man, I think the only had maybe two or three man against a wait a minute. I guess you let them up mannequin. So all the day that I gave you is not enough. Now, you're gonna, tat, magic of the gutter. Have I bring up strippers mean to hurry? What is our man again well because probably might be difficult to have the ethics approval board of universities have young young, blind

or maybe they're, not young, feel off a bunch of women. While I guess the ethics bore doesn't like science, because he catches judge what a guy likes and women by eleven am touch a doll. That's ridiculous! But let's shit science, ok! Well! Isn't that out! Look every every study has some methodological constraints right, not thou ones easy to fix by real women, be nice I'm sure a lot of women would sign up for that it. Well, maybe Why are we rely? Didn't they try? That seems so that you can. I hope, by the way that I must speak. I hope that the news mannequin so, let's find out, what's the name to study Jimmy two thousand ten he just do condemn so blind man and waste embrace shows and they'll come up. I don't come up on the Jamie Board of truth. The Jamie truth occur the internet. By the way you could you could take a samurai right, brain imaging stuff. Of men that are exposed to women of different ways to help ratios

and their pleasure centres in their brain light up more when exposed to women that have that our vast figure. So again, the data is unassailable because it comes from a multitude of countries. Multitude of time periods using different methods, not denying that men and gave way that what I'm saying is that that satellite study by using our glass figures on a mannequin set our desolated limit bill. On that I I in one of my papers, I looked at sex dolls right sex. Kyle convenient money to look at six dollars for a paper right, so I was in that paper I just went to. I cannot predict that the companies name It's a real doll. Probably one of those was it out like a realistic one, I'm having get them at home. Measured them. It's the iranian woman that looks like a perfect. It looks like a person and they advertise their measurements and, as you would expect the average waste.

Happily, their hair color changes in their skin color changes, but the average ways to help ratio was close to that point seven, and so here what you're demonstrating that marketers right these guys that our producing these products are producing products that are in line with our evolve preferences, if they didn't do that, if they produced sex dolls that look like east german fee, male slash male swimmers. It's not going to work well, cyclist, How dare you? Those are women, I think yet after the intersection away from the amendments that would do well. The olympic is a fascinating place to jump off at that. But now that so I think, Ok, the enemy anatomy of desire. The two Africans to side by side blah blah blah car Van Mobile vans, mannequin, Yes, just Americans, the shit study. They of easily gotten strippers, published in one of the top size, yours, but still the publisher all day, some fuckin manikin. Why? Wouldn't you

get real women right, speak to them. The way that would be route, while even the woman who is like not chosen, you don't know mean some some guys, my bill, I kinda petite slim under model type works. What is it going to me, is that men are really attracted to that model shape now it's weird, because women oftentimes think that men are because they see these models in these magazines- and I think that does lean towards a desire for some women to get into that anorexic state because he sort of get this body. This morphia thing going on by looking at the is almost completely unrealistic depictions. I mean I know people were actually bill. I thought, but there strictly rare right. It's like knowing someone who's, Billig professional basketball player. They absolutely exist, but boy, good luck, finding one in a random day, refining some seven foot tall super awfully right, yeah lightly

as all sorts of differences between what images that you see sometimes and like people truly prefer. I think it's really strange how women always want to paint it as women being victimized by these unrealistic body images, but you, never hear the same from men when it comes to body builders, when men see a guy who's, just giant muscles that bees, big six Packing looks like a stud men. Never saw feel like there being victimized by these unrealistic body to promote high right. I mean most of the guys that you see, as leading men on average, tend to be taller than the nor right so on being victimize cause, I'm a shorter guy, as if you don't. If you forgive me for saying as you're right. So how can we don't complain about? You know short guys need love as well. About social status. Right typically, you see the sixth the depiction say in romance novels I've. Given this example on previous occasions, I am not sure if I did on your show, but if you, if you study the archetype of masculinity in the romance novel,

they're Fabio its landing or his exact same guy right, he's all his account and he's Neurosurgeon he's he's reckless in terms of his risk taking. He can only be taken by the of this one woman he wrestles alligators on his chest. Six back his usually not a pear, shaped how many these books and reading man reading them every single day I just recommended for Sunday, but but the reality is that that the product works, because there is a commonality. What women fantasize about brand, whether she's, romanian or Nigeria, no Japanese, she likely prefers a high status tall, offer mail to a nasal pear shaped, wimp Anne and, incidentally, describing a rude. I am. I am, though,

walking off a male side. I could call you some cause your bid younger than me slightly, but I've got grey hairs, so maybe I can get away with that appellation, but no look up products at work well are typically those that can growth with our human nature and those that, not will typically fail. I just a voice wondered why women claimed victim status when they're there being compared to unrealistic body images, but men don't because I think and that's that scanner relates to social justice orders. I have proposed the theory of one thousand syndrome. We are you hurt me not what it is so much as a symbol for those for the viewer, so dont know is this. Are you get sympathy and attention? by being victim and saw you fain an illness to get attend, one thousand syndrome by proxy is when you heard some one else was in your care: typically an elderly person or a pet, or typically your biological child, because that will govern you garner you.

Empathy points at well so than to answer your question. Why women do that, because someone- and ultimately I trapped in a sort of big bunch- housing love fast, where I need to constantly get reaffirmation empathy by being the vigour, to the extent that western women have been liberated from all of the typical problems that we see in other parts of the world have got to look for new victim narrative and wounded well isn't it also, though, that it is an unrealistic body shape and that they do feel completely. Completely impossible task for a lot of women were built. Like normal people. Have you seen the body shapes of males superheroes in toys, yet living Mason Shit, that's right! They look at yourself what about the rest of us, that without locally feel how can we not the fiddler? That's what I'm asking. Why did wise munch thousand syndrome more apparent in women than it isn't meant? Incidentally, it in the true form of which housing in terms of harming child? It's usually always

biological mother exactly right. So it's just a matter cessation of that phenomenon in a new context, exactly right, that's enough why wouldn't ifs phrase it that way out phrase it in a more of a term of frustration and some sort of a psychological disorder. I would think that women are just frustrated with this sea. One, a difference is being that if Woman is large, bound or low. He or she has a wide waste or something that is very little. She can do to try to achieve that model shape, whereas If a man is slight. He can lift weights and you know a lot of food and go to get a personal tran. Do us squads dead lives and build his body up like a man can make his body look more masculine, it's very difficult outside of sir ready for a woman to change the shape of her body, she can get in shape and if she's overweight, Chicken diminished, thatch lose some fat sugar. You now put some meat our Butner legs, and but she can't like grow breasts. You now she

can't. She can't do anything that would make her appear more outwardly. Feminine, say. I'm saying by that exactly speaks to some of the of that people feel towards evolutionary psychology. Em you hit the nail the nail on the head. Because there is wrongly so there's this idea that evolutionary theories sort of biological determinism right if people prefer faced they symmetric faces and if my feet, he's not patiently symmetric, then I'm doomed to tune in to a life of totally my thumbs and life of celibacy right and that's why there's this narrative that became famous would Naomi Wolf or not. You know that as he she wrote a book that salt- I don't know how many millions copies called the beauty myth which I actually critique and my first book. I talked about the myth about the beauty myth in the beauty myth. Basically, she she provided. This liberal Tory argue

against these beauty standards and his her argument, which I will summarize very quickly. She basically says: look women are now winning in every facet of life and the only place that men can still cause harm to women that they could still dominate women, and this can speak to one of the points that you re, is by creating this false narrative about the types of women than men prefer and by pushing this narrative. It makes women feel insecure about themselves, whoa hold on so her. Proposal is that the only reason that this exists it men are trying to harm women's conspiratorial theory Larry. She be a lot of fun out, was she's she's life she's a again she's and issues raised the iron stove still very productive, but you know again it's it's it's a message that sells, because if I am a unattractive, if genetically speaking I

dont score well on some of these universal metrics of beauty. I would much rather here story that basically says. Oh, it's all due to arbitrary construction of beauty standards is not there's nothing in about these right. I think there's a lot of women that are very intelligent, the run into asshole men so many times that they develop. This distorted perception of what a man is, and so they could formulate this theory and feel justified in Rio, and so is it just run into so many weak bitches out there and they start that all men are trying to harm them. All men are trying to hurt her feelings bright and that this this theory is valid in her eyes because its base on the anecdotal evidence it she's acquired through her whole life of running it. I mean obviously she's very intelligent, shredding books, you probably far more intense, The most dementias come in contact with in Social formulated this theory based on her own. Personal, have to protect our own ego samia, but there's directs there's a direct. Nationally as a man, there is a huge difference.

How you you react? How your body feels When you're around a classically, attractive woman, I got let's classic attractive like, I feel a ran in her prime When you around a you'd, be just go. Jesus like your hands would get sweaty your heart would start beating. It start freaking out. It is a hundred percent natural, and there's there's no like. Oh, I want to enforce this because it will make other women feel like shit like that. That has not yet there is a real genetic propensity and doesn't it as though that should be so trip, Billy by now to accept it not for someone who's, empowered woman who doesn't see any way of achieving right. So if you don't- It's like a man could do steroids and LIVE Wade's become a giant bodybuilder type dude. If that's what he was really into, and you could achieve that through time and effort could be done but fro

woman to look like one of those women it's impossible if you are not built like that, are not built like that, and that's how I go such are you a quick story that I discussed in one of my other books? It was a documentary that I had watched on speed dating. I think it was where there was a profoundly overweight woman at five hundred pounds. Who is basically arguing that you know it's unfair, that all these men at the speed dating event are not paying closer attention to her under their its unfairly. They ve been taught to internalize all these arbitrary sexist standards of beauty. Let us such Eads was really sir yeah long now, but so this so on the one hand, if you're unattractive to an overly overtly overweight woman than you are a fattest but on the other hand, doesn't that isn't the other side of the coin? If you prefer very overweight

women then there's the narrative that you are fetish, sizing our you know, excess meat. So if you prefer an overweight woman, you're, a bad guy, and if you dislike overweight women, your father's is no state of the world where someone was accused of being an asshole the world we live in well, not just a world of just so many different people with varied opinions that are trying to justify their own physical condition chair really what humans have fragile egos, there's a new study that they put out recently about the the myth of. Healthy obesity, because I've seen that read many times over a red that rather many times were. Bore trying to justify their own obesity by saying that theirs is distorted perception, whether or not people are healthy because they are thin and then in fact. There are some diseases, and this is kind of true sums. What sort of weird contradiction? There's sums

disease, where people actually do better than recover because are overweight. But the reason for this is not because being overweight is healthy. The reason for that is, there's a lot of diseases where you don't taken any new trance, why you're sick and so your boss, He goes into a state of ketosis where starts burning fat and you're better off, using that fat for fuel, if you are over, wait than if you are very lean person was no fat burn. Then your bodies It's burning off tissue muscle tissue she's, much less healthy for much more danger. Incidentally, what you said that there is, I think, now a movement to start fattest studies You know how you have women studies and peace study so fast these than heart. It was exactly what you let off with, which is the idea that there is this kind of medical conspiracy. That's pushing a false narrative, the basically says being overweight is a bad thing when it There is no such evidence. Now there is evidence of gain all sorry folks, input

that study it's it's. It's really can interesting because it so black and white, as tourists really know arguing about it, for it is not two ovary she's? Not that's not good to tax, your body. You know having a little bit of fat is not that bad study suggest healthy. Obesity might just be a myth, suggested. Vigorous health interventions may be necessary for all obese individuals. Now that's a fact but everyone knows that you know that. That's why you see that fat, woman and people get repulsed? It's not because they're mean its he goes. Because they're taught to think that that's not an objective standard or beauty. It's just you see someone fat negro. All this is a mess is someone. Who's must be emotionally fragile because their birth there throwing food on their faces. Clearly have an addiction to sugar or two simple carbs mean they're they're. There definitely trying to make up for something in others, this, This idea that people are just naturally more fat. Well, that's not true

because if you look at their diet, it's almost oh is in support of maintaining a giant body minutes. This idea that some people can, while there are People that have humming bird type metabolisms and they can Ding Dong ordains doorway. Ninety pounds, yeah that's a freak that is a rare. You know. My sister was like that message: His tiny, her more nicknames peewee this week or but when we were kids She was always show is way like a hundred pounds. Chicken fuck you eat anything, she could try. She could have a stake. She could eat ice cream. Ninety pounds I mean this just what she waiter, maybe an exaggeration by one hundred five items, and I guess she just had that? Crazy metabolism is just the way it is but that's super unusual right from us, finally ovary I've positive shoe photos answer from you. Of yourselves myself, nineteen eighty five, I see that was the first time that I have come to call for visit. My when you're soccer play your decidedly for five percent body fat

and of course I said you really checked, I did get a check. The other carriers right private calipers and the electric conductivity test, the electric thing sucks I've done that electric think network is one thousand railways submerging submerging right. But I swear to you, I wouldn't electric thing. Apparently your dehydrated: they can be off there's a lot like very fact. As its it a lot of it is by my big using a bad one, but I've been using was one of in a doctor's office, but he was even explained to me that it can easily be off if you have a few dehydrated and there's various various factors over the number was. It was very low. This was eighty. Five minutes is almost thirty one more than thirty years ago, and till up to about my early twenty twenty two twenty three twenty four, I was always grossly underweight the day that I stopped being a series.

Athlete adjust stuck up on me. Everything as a coincidence. That's all that is how things are now, of course, now you're gonna pick up on the sarcasm. You know it's very sincerely as an urgency This is society standards at their ease. Enforcing I thank God, exactly vector of rich there, these assholes, what it is, is a bunch of men who want you to feel bad right right now, so that the let you There you go yeah man, just fuckin run every day you lose a ton weight at well, not sounded another because I actually believe it or not. I train a lot the only way I lose weight as, if I'm very, very careful about what I eat, while even now that I never lose what right, but smart guy? Why do you like us to get overweight? A boy would this now? when this is a subject I mean our figures relate your intelligence because Aspect Roma. Let me give you an issue. No, no will you

quick inasmuch as it is an issue I walked into the physicians office. When I had severe bronchitis he's it, he was, I think, apologists. He was changed smoking in his office. Now is that because he was an idiot within understand, gazing idea, if he's too in talking, but nobody is correlated to his iq right assaults correlated to his objective assessment of what is intelligent to do with your meat vehicle. Guys stupid if he smoking cigarettes at is a stupid thing to do. It doesn't mean that again be intelligent, other areas of his life, but he is most certainly shutting down or ignoring grab some really clear information that we have been given share the past now, fifty plus years,

I think it actually, what you swore you talk about speaks to a point that I reason saw my writings. The idea of whether we make choices simply because we don't have the right information to make better choices. That's usually the typical argument that public policy makers use so they basically say: oh if you're, if you're engaging in, on. You know risky sexual behaviour or, if your engaging in a secondary lifestyle, it's because you don't know any better. So let's set up public service announcements that teach you better and then hopefully people will act better and that

doesnt actually work in some, so the issue is not so much that people- it's not as though I dont know that being overweight is a bad thing, and now that you ve taught me better. I will now change my behaviour. The problem stems from the fact that there are these darwinian pulls that make it difficult for us to extricate ourselves from quite whether it be whether you addicted to drugs, because tickles your pleasure centre in your brain or whether it be because you addicted to sex or whether your dick, the two a bit more food, then you should be eating. Those are the darwinian pools,

a pulls that make it difficult for us to do. The optimal decision is not because we too dumb to no better or we don't have the right of Romania, but you wouldn't hear you talking about food now, not the cigarettes that this doctor or smoking that you are using as an example. That's not the best. One is no darwinian pool towards all smoking gun at all right, so free forget together the nicotine example of what I just said in general when we make poor decisions that lead to deleterious health outcomes. It's not because we don't know any better. So, let's go back to this subject. Example, women know more about the deleterious effect of sun exposure than men do yet they do with more. If it were only a question of you know it's because I don't so any better than wouldn't expect women to be doing it more. So it's not a question of not having the right information, it's whether ultimately, you have the control to not succumb to these poles we ve got the seven deadly sins since sent for thousands of years, precisely because very smart people understood that these are some traps that we also

I'm too, whether by greed or less or gluttony, and my case, I've never smoked I've, never at wife, but very minimally. My problem is, I guess, your gluttonous right when you say have the control like what, but what's have you ever taken to acquire the controlling. Do practice. Mindfulness. Do you meditate? Do you write down Your goals, d write down like what you eat and what your count you have you ever gone to a doctor and found it was a coward. Consumption should be if you ever tried to alter diet and may be going too fat burning died instead of on a carbohydrate burning down, yes to all, not the mind from this, but all the other stuff that you're gonna fat burning divested of carbohydrates absolutely so so what have you done for that one eye? And when I do it, you'll see me in three months: I'll be thirty. Five pounds later

You won't believe in what are they done like? What would you say I die prophesied just do a heavy protein dive, minimal carbs with a lot of vegetables song six out stake where in a wood broccoli in whatever suddenly luck with the tomato juice and that out I'll lose kind of like the one at the Atkins in the seven. You need much fat as you want, but it's really a lot of protein, a lot of actual Honestly, the Atkins is, when you say, Edith much fat as you want that that is actually the trend that trend towards a kid agenda, die when you Talkin about getting your body to burn fat. A lotta athletes are getting involved in getting on fat burning diet and I actually switch my own die to that. Where I'm a mundane really have a problem being overweight, but I was deaf. Heavier, and I had more body found that I have now and then what it was. I switched over to this is again a marxist and who is on my part, cast before any wrote. This book called the primal blueprint

it's the idea behind it is that you're, when you re eating lot of simple car, herbs in a lot of pastors and breads you getting insolent spikes bodies, processing all that sugar and nearby stores in nearby sorts burning sugar, whereas if you can get you body to acute agenda, state, meaning your body burns fats and uses that for fuel rather than carbohydrates, you don't really want high protein, you want, a minimal protein. You want what you're supposed to have, which is like six stake is fine, but what you really want is a bunch healthy fats, cocoanut, coconut oil, avocado aid. A lot of a kind of sediment salmon is extra excellent, but also because excellent because it its applause, you with omega mega sixes and threes essential fatty acids, which are really important for brain function. But people This idea. This is also a big fuckin problem that people have we been lied to about fats about. The Danes of saturated fats in the danger of cholesterol, dietary

lest her barely moves, the needle on blood lipids. It's not dietary cholesterol, surprise. Sedentary lifestyles overeating its consent, of excess. Carbs is a bunch of factors that cause people to be fat. And it's not necessarily saturated fats or or or cholesterol, in fact, saturated fats in cholesterol. That's the substrate for building testosterone like when, when I went on this diet of have my body burn fat and not just me, but a ton of my friends, my friend Danny. Who's Nellie, an elite athlete is presenting Jujitsu World champion of my friend John Rollo, whose Mme fighter Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt guys of all reported giant me included gigantic spikes in their testosterone production and its, because that is the building blocks for testosterone. So when you reading these low fat diets- and these these, like minimalistic, diet, try to get your body to be more healthy, you dropping

your body, sex hormone production while will have ass my wife, if she hasn't complaints in that department, butter folk, but it but I honestly, the only problem I have is when I walk when I walk away from those types of eyes. That is where the problem arises, of course here. But I bet that if you walked away from what it whenever you're on that day, when you get off at the things disintegrate very quickly, This is why I'm, Because for me they do. I mean I could I could parents seven pounds in two weeks by some, eating normally once I'm away from that wine is normal. Then, if you keep putting much weight. Seven parliamentary makes his forty pounds in a month. I mean that means twenty eight pounds and three minded some liberal: that's not normal that crazy amount away put on. If I saw you two months later, you put on twenty pounds like what,

longer you do it now. I'd have to grab me by the hand, sit down with you and go come on now when you die, I'm already thinking about all the comments that are going to be at the bright year old boy. What am I mean? I'm just saying this kid, I'm your friend, I won't get you a copy this book and I would love you to try to do it, but it's not hard to judge each till you're satisfied and not to your full. That's a big fact. That alone is probably twenty percent of everyone's meal, a lot of people eat, and then they keep going. I loved you fuck awesome, I loved eat a giant, bowler pasta and eat a big state, but I also work out a terrorist. I do work on almost every day, I kind of work are hard. So I keep my body fat, and because of that, even of my diet is shit. I still keep my body fat down because of tremendous working out, but then, when I just might, it is well. I saw a big difference, in my energy levels in my cognitive functions in a big difference in just overall wellness, I just dump. I mean

I'm extremist when it comes to physical performance, because I obviously have been around my whole life and I'm in the martial arts world and I'm trying to get my body to do certain things. That are very unusual, but I just think that people are not designed to eat big plates of pasta or bread or all these sugars, that everybody downs in the form of currency it's drinks is just not good for raising the documentary There's some Cambodia was sugar, that sugar movie crazed credible is awash with my kids and then we will to the supermarket was hilarious. Is there there grab and things go and look at all that shout the sugar and as they were, the grabbing things off the shelf, finding how many grams of sugar preserving on everything? So let us maybe I'd, say this. If you say something publicly than you have to kind of say it so let here's here's, which I look at the camera next time. Among your show, I should hopefully be visibly thinner

what you're gonna do, as you gonna wait till two weeks for the show, and then you gonna stop your period and you're gonna. Do I'm gonna go get it go Anorexia and stop your reproductive system, by which I mean is that people should be much more healthy and in the body is designed munitions. Whole trend, Verloc Paleo dialect pipe paleo. It's an paleo ethic dies, that's not an accurate term. It's it's! It's an a good way to eat. But it's not an accurate evolutionary term because an apparent prolific era, people eight allowing rains they whatever the fuck they could they bugs they were hungry, and you know I did whatever the good and they worked hard to acquire. Yes exactly, the big point like they were there when they needed those calories ingrained like look if you're out hiking every day you talk to people like mountain climbers and hikers, I very mathematical calories. I have friends, they go on. These giant take a mountain trips and They literally cannot consume enough because they pack all their food. My friends,

in just got back from this big trip that he was taking to the Yukon and he's going been doing all this mountain climbing they climbed, they went a hundred miles in eight days up in the mountains like at ten thousand feet altitudes oats. This is incredibly gruelling experience because his very little air and Europe constantly doing squats, because you're constantly lifting your body up he going up hill, and they were eating two pounds of food a day. That's all you could take, so you have to eat the most calorie dance, two pounds of food that you can carry because for this trip. You know you're only carrying a certain amount of food. You have to have used sleeping bag on your back. Your tent allow jasmine become out there, you Fifteen pounds lighter any. You know you just had this incredibly insight. It's it's like running a marathon everyday. Almost are you familiar with the feel of evolutionary medicine that regular were so evolution? Medicine is basically I had one of the pioneers the field on my show. His aims, Rendita say he's a physician by train.

Several medicines, basically trying to infuse within medicine, evolutionary ideas, typically more physicians, I train and the proximate world right, we'll talk about proxy on alternate about how to deal with the who when what other disease without ever asking the ultimate. Why darwinian? Why so as releases up it we're talking about now? If you look at the top killers around the world, colon cancer, diabetes and heart disease and high blood pressure, there all related as evolution, medicine. Folks, are you too that what's call the mismatch hypothesis, the idea being that those things that were adapted to us in an environment of sky

city become grossly maladaptive in an environment of plenty like we have today right sons and insult? Basing what you're? Having a me, my Gus Authority preferences? Don't change so my desire to eat the fatty food remains. But what has changed is the fact that I used. I had to do. Twenty thousand calories of expenditure took two punted down then, and I could go to the grocery store and get it. There is no caloric uncertain local scarcity, and so, if you look at Hunter guy, their societies that most closely mimic our evolutionary passed. They dont have almost disease once they clear the early childhood mortality threats than they actually live quite long lifespans, precisely because they don't suffer from, I think they're denying pop killers. Oh that's a way of taking some of this stuff that you're very interested in and infusing it with a bit more of an evolutionary twists that totally makes sense that people would have to expand massive amount towers tracked down food, because that was at one point time what we did all day

with our day whether its hunting or gathering or or farming. We were constant We are working to try to acquire food that was at now that food is so easy. We still have the same genes right yeah, so look natural selection right that the mechanism of how species evolve traits they have it out. When I teaching my students, I start off by colloquially saying: look most animals, including human straw, their history have faced in either you dont want to become somebody else's, and you want to get enough for dinner for yourselves. Those are the sort of that too big it that the problems, and then you just add to that sexual selection, which is not enough to simply survive than you have to mate. And so then you want to get the right mannequin territory so that that's basically match on sexual selection in in one sentence. Right, don't becomes but he's dinner, get enough dinner and then get a mate than there is your of Lucia. How much? If at all, do you pay attention to your got health? To do

I probably audit Lucy, that's crazy is Eric. Oh, my god. Probiotics are one of the most important aspects of healthy bodies like your gut health can in fact, or can affect. Rather, your mood it can affect cognitive function, can effect your personality is all these studies being done now on probiotics and of good health and bacteria content and got Candida a high level of candy, to which a lot of people do eat a lot of sugar and simple carbs. It be be developed develop this intense, craving and hunger, for sugar and simple carbs. When you add just your gut pact here, when you start taking in healthy probiotics in the form of kefir, I like computer, I like him. She liked fermented cabotage and sauerkraut, natural sauerkraut and things along those lines, drink a bunch of different kinds of them and take bunch different kind

every day, along with this thing, called on total got health, which is a package that I take with every meal. It's a massive factor because, what's in your got like your gut Laura, is incredibly important for your overall health and or supporting your immune system size that become a sort of part of the daily, not daily. The yearly health check up that people do depends on what doktor you talking to a sea, because most doctors spent very little time studying nutrition. When you go to medical school and you get a degree, you mean the amount, of ours that you spend studying nutrition are so small and by the time you are out there practicing. This is a field its sky. Show, evolving and changing and growing, and this this ten or this leaning towards probiotics as health supplement, is fair we recent in terms of like mainstream exposure but increased, the important it makes a big fat. First of all, I hardly ever get sick and it's it's a big fact, because I travel costs

currently is shaking hand consciously shaking hands. I can't I'm costly flying on plans and I are hardly ever get second. If I do, I can point to some pretty obvious factors in guinea, sleep. My kids are going to school again around other people that are set their cinema laugh carpet. In my face, its is normal Duff, and even then I bounced back very quickly, and I tribute that to provide these real imported taken. Healthy cultures. Have you are you from is another example from evolution, medicine that relates to children. Since you mentioned children, you probably heard of the studies that show that if you grew up in an environment that doesn't have any natural allergens, you at an increased risk of the vote, being respiratory illnesses like asthma coming summer, cisely, because it doesn't trigger your immune system to have the types of responses that you'd typically would have encountered. So if you have em a mother or father, both parents who are incredibly oecd about having a perfectly sterile

and spotless home, prepare for the onset of asthma rats example of that's asthma, but not necessarily allergies, might might one of my daughter's is allergic cats and we ve had cats her whole life. We ve also dogs, her whole life around these animals, her whole life, but she's largest. What what? What are the manifestations? She starts knees in her eyes, get puffy the cat. Can't sleep in the bed with earth. Tat does show issue. You start sneezing inch cannot, but it soon is because my wife's allergic, that's just genetic and she's, also so allergic to horses. We were in ITALY and we are writing. I want those horse carriages and she wasn't even on the horse or touching the horses but being behind the horse on a horse carriage. She starts sneezing coughing, and we have to get off the top of the carriage. You know if it's the saliva the horse or does the hand of the damned dandy, I'm sure she's lurched, saliva tube, not swap and spit with horse agro, settle down. That's it let what's next!

the bucket now that you have convinced me lose weight as if I am not saying that you need to lose weight, but I'm saying you're a healthy guy, you're, smart guy, you you think about a very good. Your life, you very handsome bronze shiny you thinking in these terms of like looking at the big picture, but yet there you ve got his blind spot and spot is because you have this indulgence for food and you look forward to it. It becomes you reward at the end, the day, and you sit down to you indulging in you, you say worked hard for this and I can enjoy it and married I've got kids, I don't need look beautiful and you wanna hear something says we're getting personal in California. When we lived in California, I actually naturally lost a lot of weight without having to worry about anything. I was a lot more active, I eat less and what you talked about a reward when you're in the dark called winters of Montreal and the only reward

delivery system is for us to be foods and that's the problem I ride. We often talk about my wife and I be deleted Joe beef in Montreal, easier and right now, we ve now we have not good Lord. You are in the same town as the greatest restaurant on a planet or who are supposed to collecting together. I think what embryos and go back. Something happened. Wool, next I couldn't go on there. I'll take well, hopefully I'll be in California. Yeah hopefully, but if you are there, we're gonna have to indulge that's why place we gotta get out of diet. Is it's ok to have achieved a Europe, but you know, I think, a lot of people have those blind spots and even intelligent. What's yours, Booze that yesterday we get fucked up Mean Hannibal burst upon gas. We got a little too hammered. That's what Things were, I enjoy it what's happening, but like are worked out today. My my head was caught. Throbbing, like this is so stupid and then I'll do it every day, but I do it

We want a week or once every two weeks or something like that. It's just. I know objectively, that it's not healthy as though that you enjoy the taste or you know the effects after you drifts enjoy, haven't drinks with friends again stupid laughing. You know that I just know not healthy. It just doesn't thing healthy about booze, others, wrong, and actually there is some. Some studies suggest that it's actually healthy to have a glass of wine or two with a meal, and you know you're getting resveratrol and also tourism. Studies or some mob some indication. Point two people developed for long time drinking wine because they couldn't drink still water, because it would get travellers. Disease they found water would have pathogens in it and they would want to being sexually drink wine for that purpose, because he can

around with you and it's not gonna go bad, but but getting trunk like we're drinking whisky, laundry, Jamieson or something like that. Iraq's felt great were Howard laughin, but God damn it so bad for you, bodies, others, if there's an indulgence that I take part in. That's, not good. It's the occasional get fucked up gotcha. Now it's not good but I don't have a lot of those pretty good at not having a lot of those those things in my life, but it's easy to do It's easy to trip yourself up because a natural tendency towards distraction the pressure of attempting to be successful at something the pressure of whether its petition, or whether it's just this made the yearning for achievement. We look for release You know from that pressure and that's what a lot of people do they go to cigarettes. They go to boost the good of food or whatever it is you never smoke. The single cigarette in my entire life did not want enough.

When I was like fifteen and smoke a cigarette with my with my sister she kept going, I quit I was like fuck this so stupid. Is it okay? I think that if you hit nineteen and you haven't started, you almost zero chance of start. I know people started in the third Messiah due to study was fucking forty years I start smoking cigarettes. What are you doing so weird, but I I think it's a sabotage. There were people just go for could occur nuclear and by doing it's almost like vacant by Saint fuck. It I don't care about my health, they did say fuck it. I don't care but my student loans fuck it, I don't care about my wife leaving me fuck it. I don't care about my mortgage. Forget I care about losing my job. It's like this, this sort of like over a denial of reality by indulging in something that's not healthy, reminded

We await a rational position that one of my former students took to justify him smoking, and so, if you are, I don't want you do this in the United States, but in Canada, Health Canada has this program or they put very vivid images on singing at each other. Something here are you still, while not bid, then I'll have images, but they have the sayings, ok but these images I should so used to. They still do so. You know what he would do want to show you how irrational human beings are, so he would that's. It asked for whatever the brand was more Marlborough now he would receive when I look at it. If the warning message was one that would be relevant to him, he asked another. One recently got low birth, wait until he got low or you don't don't drink, wild pregnant robotic doesn't apply to me.

There s a few serious, but you obviously that's a bill Hicks Bit by the way. What is up bill hex, yet, while greatest colleagues, our there was a bit that he had on it, I said just just pick: one that doesn't apply low birth weight good out there. You got some like, maybe you gotta, but it shows you how, even though we often have are fully cognisant object, the about some truth, our ability to engage in self deception is While it is for some folks- and I think again that goes back to mindfulness- it goes back to meditation. It goes back to reflection. Most people live their lives in a constant state of momentum. The momentum the past constantly propelling themselves forward in their always adjusting and trying to make up for all the mistakes that their passes made. They don't live there life in a state of in the now they live their life in a state of fog what'd. I do that now. I gotta do this, you don't,

You know what I succumb to and I think limit. Let me know if you feel too, because you have young children are obsessed about first for that, but this is the first time that my thought it did this and they ll never be another. First, I'm always pay making about them growing up, really yeah, I sort of weird adjust it there's a purity. In luck. We We live in a world where were exposed because we're whom, in the public eye were exposed to a lot of negativity, even the were exposed to a hundredfold more positivity. You know it's a rough ride out there and then mice, all this is coming home to the purity and innocence of much children, right and then the reality is that you can't bottle up that innocence and that purity forever, and so I saw speaking of the here and now, rather than oftentimes just enjoying the moment. I'm always worried that in five years sheep she's going to be a premium s and then there's gonna, be a bunch of big issue

boys, that's something that usually bothers me. Doesn't that doesn't affected. Parliament now I mean I don't dwell on it. Honestly I mean I just try to enjoy every moment I carry with them. I tried enjoy all the different stage. There live right, but you know I I remember what they were like when they were babies when they could barely talk and It was I was thinking I could never love. Something is what much loved them, but now think. When I talk to them, I love them even more because now did. They have little conversations with our european area. When you have a deep conversation with an eight year old is pretty intense and it's one of your child, your daughter, is pretty intense. Isn't it humbling when they ask you things that clearly demonstrates how you

know little about so many things, because they often will ask you, questions that are profound and deep were wise, lightning in that particular formula, and we try to concoct some story while being truthful and then oftentimes they stump you're right. I just go to we're gonna, have to go to your driving and having conversation about some some observations just made, but it just shows you again the that the purity of the church sort of looking at the world here, and and hitting you with questions that you frankly can't answer. Why we like to say that I can answer. I think this is important to lead. Kids know that you dont know everything right in August. I think automatically look towards adults as being some sort of Perrier form of a child. You know the well I don't know anything but I'm a little kid, but my dad I'll know, and then you know Let them know like hey, there's just way too much information for everyone to know, but what's important as your honest about what you do now, yes, and were very fortunate that we have this thing called the internet so

can find out what it is that we're trying to get the answer for, and incidentally I do that my students, when they ask a question hey. I don't know the answer, I'm very openly say you know what you think you can do this, good for you wanted to send me, an email remain idle: into it- and- and I do it just now- Surely, but oftentimes deal right back to mean say you know why thou so refreshing yeah, you know, you're Humble enough to not pretend that you know everything about every single thing now yeah. I love that, and it's so frustrating we talking to some of those really smart, who don't doesn't want to admit right that they don't know something or wants to deny. Something is true when they haven't researched it. It's very frustrating I have a friend is a brilliant guy. What does that he just, bring something. Obviously, that's not true, not oh Jesus fucking Christ. We use Google it and I've done it with him over and over and over again. I have a conversation with my said. Listen, if I tell you some it is true, it's I'm not making it up and if I'm wrong, it's it. It's an this mistake, but if you just google it Daniel,

but your tour saying it's not true and you ve never even looked at it, but here we are in two thousand sixteen give a fuck and you a device in your pocket, we can get. The it is virtually anything at any time. What do you think you'll shutting out the window? So what's the psychological great Eagle eager was a very smart guy and he wants to be the smartest guy in the room all the time, and so Just gets really frustrating, especially if we're somewhere with his no internet service like we're gonna get to internet service. Motherfucker you gonna, apologize. It seats is the people do where they, when you're here a conversation with someone there, not just talking you there are engaged in a contest guess men do that all have several those in my own and not nuclear. How about my family appropriation herself might I would also hope that route around and and here's another thing that you never admit that you're wrong yeah right. Because admitting that you wrong makes you lose face

and that such a detrimental dynamic to have right. I mean it. I am. I come home at night and I've had a tough day and I might respond partly to my dog. I actually will go by and then hug my dog, because I have enough self awareness to realise that I didn't give her enough attend in writing. I have enough humility to never mind Other human, my dog, is just as important, mind if I responded curtly, I will sort of apologize her. Yet I've got family members may again. This is not my family of my wife for kids, but the family. There was born into that have never apologized about anything because they come from a cultural landscape where to apologize, Your child to somebody younger is too loose face. A parent is always right, and I mean that might work when you're too, but when you're both now adults, I think you could have to get out of that are realised that we all make mistakes and we all have to own up to them. We all have to apologize honesty or we make a mistake, and yet some people

a super unhealthy and it's unhealthy for the person who doesn't admit they make the mistake too, because then it put you in his position of being in denial of what I know to be the truth. You gonna run around pretending that you are right all along when you know in your head that you were wrong, so it diminishes your own personal opinions about yourself right. I mean you're not very very on this, exactly ok, so I'm having a chat with a family member, an older family member of my for my family as the problem person. This is this is one of the key problem for people with my family and wait. He said something to me: First of all, you know those ancient Greeks. Those Christians were really anti semitic. Where I come over these ethical I said, oh well, you know I'm upset, I don't mean to correct you, but to those ancient Greeks were not christian as a matter of fact, the way we mark that ear, as we say, BCE before common era BC before Christ, so by definition those

were marked as not being Christian. So when he's now faced with sort of historical evidence that suggest that he was wrong, what do you think he does? Is it so grotesque that I'm not even sure you can guess what he did? I don't wanna to guess so he bade his has. No that's right. That's what I said I said that they weren't christian. You said that they were christian, so he looks at you in the face. That's that's called. If you know I was saying on air. That's mine, fucking right here. He looks at you in the face. He knows that you know, but he has enough in Arabic. You say what it's that it's, this kind of path, a logical pride right. You re, I'm gonna, look at you re so rather than saying oh gee. I didn't know that, thanks for correcting me his lips, what our original point, this agreement and the ladys tartar do cut back. I was well- maybe I have maybe have location yeah. It's that's an unfortunate characteristic in men,

I guess it probably exist- and women too, but I see it more in man that they will the always want to be right right, you know, but it does make you better to have information that someone doesn't have. Like I like when someone can tell me something I now it's interesting, but that's how I suspect that one of the reasons why you're pot is so successful is because you exhibit that generosity. If you came to the two every discussion, thinking that there is nothing that the other person could bring to the table. You're not going to have a shell, that's gonna! Last long now, what's up it's impossible rights were not talking about things, nineteen, fifty seven people, this narrow view of the world that was defined by their own environment, we're talking about broad place now or you can just access all sorts of data and all the beautiful things about the pod gases by sitting down. People like you or all the other awesome guess I get to sit down with I get to experience, the wisdom and the information of someone who lived a completely different life than me, and

Just find that really fascinating, and I just think that that era- hence it somewhat display by doing what that guy. Did you and switching around your your points? Interest? That's just the child. That's like a develop developmental, dead end. This person went down social, so on healthy hurry, but so common right so common. Now, what's next, what you are talking about We talk about your paper that you brought up. Oh yes, sir. So this is a paper

that I was invited to right and one of the leading journals and feel journal marking research, where I was asked to talk about the methods of evolution, psychology, how the evolution of colleges conduct research and it was specifically to address some of the common? Cannot that we hear from the tractors of evolution? Psychology? Oh it's all a bunch of post, hawk, storytelling and so on, and so the paper basically looks at three point, two of which we ve already sort of covered. One is a distinction between proximate, an ultimate explanations and again that's a very important point to make, because it basically argues that you'll never have a full explanation of any phenomenon involving biological agents. If you dont studied phenomenon at both the proximate, an ultimate level proximate, how what ultimate as the Darwin you'd wise? That's why we ve already covered the second method of evolution. Psychology is the building of these networks of cumulative evidence, like the one I gave you with the ways to help ratio. Maybe I'll give you

another one as an example of this mechanism to, for example, if I want to argue that toy preferences have sex specificity, that is innate right. So it's not! That has to be clean. This offer science as we we hear that what makes little boys little boys and little girls little boys little girls is that boys are taught to play rough with the judge. All girls are taught to play gentle with the pink but that's dismissed. I mean you hear there, but it's very fringe encephalitis. Listen! It's! It's still at the mall. It's only because of liberal colleges. It's not because of its, not people that are objectively intelligent that are recognising us, but certainly into the university landscape that is the dominant. What are they used as evidence to point that men are taught to that because they have proven children absolutely gravitate, but does based gender gravitate towards certain types of tat

Weston and toys? So that's what I'm gonna do next someone who can demonstrate how evolutionary psychologist of these normal logical networks of came out of evidence. So if I wanted to prove that that premise that you argued is dismissed is truly laughable. How would I go about, and so that's one of the things I did in the paper, so we could look at children who are in the pre socialization stage of their cognitive development, meaning that by commission there too young to have been socialized and we could do studies on them to see what is it that the debt that d you know approach first or what is it a day gaze at longer, and we see that there is a sex specificity and such young children's already demonstrates that it's probably not due to civilisation, so that's evidence line number one. We could take other species, verve monkeys and racist monkeys, another some research would chimps showing that they exhibit the same sex specificity with these types of toys as human infants do run, they Dunham or two

depictions on funeral monuments in these big muslims of young people from ancient Greece, and you look at depictions of little boys and little girls, and you see that the little boys are depicted with the typical toys in over the ball with something with a wheel thing. Liberals are depicted with dolls, you could do the studies across a wide range of culture that are very different from western cultures. Boys we could take depictions on funeral monuments in these big muslims of that people from ancient Greece- and you look at depictions of little boys and little girls, and you see that the little boys are depicted with the typical toys in over the ball with something with a wheel thing. Little girls are depicted with dolls. You could do the studies across a wide range of cultures that are very different from western cultures, the phenomenon. If as itself again, and so what you do again, an evolutionary theory is you build this normal normal logical network,

similarly evidence coming from completely different data sets. That then makes it on saleable to argue against it? So that's the second method of evolution de the third one I argue is just psychology operates our what are called conciliates. Trees of Consilient Conciliates, is a term that had sort of lost its way. It basically refers to unity of knowledge, so few safer, physics is more conciliates than sociology is because physics, as these organise knowledge, trees that sociology doesn't so what is a typical tree of now virgin evolutionary theory, so you could start with something like sexual selection, sexual selection, Basically, the idea that how do? How does a peacock evolve? It's big tail, so so how do animals evolve their traits to give them reproductive advantage? That's been established from the time of Darwin through a million different species. So now that

leads to down the tree. To another theory, it's called the mid level theory called parental investment theory. Parental investment theory basically says that if you want to know about sex differences within a species. Look at the minimal obligatory parental investment that each sex has to happen that, issues. So more species, that's the female that has more painful investment, so thickly their smaller. It's the males who fight for access to female females are more careful The mane choice is they make, but you also have sex role reversal species where it says the males who have greater parental investment. What do you think happened to the sex differences there exactly reversed right that has been also established, and I we go down parental investment theory. Leads to another theory that basically says that human context, females will make more judicious

made choices than men, and otherwise women are more careful in the types of May choices that they must make precisely because they have greater costs if they make a wrong mating choice which leads to a study that I did looking at home. Information. The men and women look up before the either reject mate or choose mates, and what do you think the result shows when it comes to rejecting mates? Women need convincing, in other words the they acquire less information before they decide all the mates are losers. On the other hand, when it to choosing a mate women, look at more information prior to choose. So what I ve shown you here is how you start with a general principle and work down a tree to a specific hypothesis. That's called the tree of knowledge of evolutionary theory. That's what the method of evolution sucks psychology is, so contrary to what typical detractors they'll be some buffoons. Castrato on your at the bottom of your comments, section

but evolutionary sizes? That's not only do we seldom stronger So that's where you like, better that's a turn on, and that is good singers and balls chapter. I Asia on the castrati brigade. In the singular formats castrato right, so it's a guy who walks round without testes by the very inflated eagle. Who then tells you in despite the fact that you spend twenty plus years studies He knows more than you all of you, evolution scientists are for our what's this interesting to me that there would be people that would be involved in universities that would debate this sort of very objective research right right me, especially when it comes to gender and and obviously there's variables, but when it to the gravitating towards certain types of toys and tat. And then it also pertains to career choices as well. There's a big push to

women involved in stem and women involved in technology and others in this discrimination. Women intact. We note with women, don't gravitate towards those particular job. Do not want to do them, some do and the ones that do they cry sexism, because there so few of them there's just no it's just not something that they naturally gravitate towards overwhelmingly that's what better off your member the whole debacle with Larry Summers, who was the President of Harvard University who then became an off? He wasn't the Obama administration? he is this guy who was president of Harvard University, was giving a speech Polly Jamie can pull it up. If he has time- and he was basically giving talk where he hinted to exactly what you said, he said that he didn't say or you know, women don't have the capacity

go into these fields where I think he hinted to exactly what a sensitive prevent your clearly. They may not like it as much despite these very aggressive programmes that we ve been instituted to try to attract women, maybe they're not drunk just hinting at that, led him to eventually stepping down as present Harvard what is a real problem in colleges and universities today, with that, with this denial of reality to her to help other people's feelings or to make other placate other people's feelings and is also this repeat in that even Obama's been involved in repeating this myth that women working the same job make seventy seven cents for every dollar. Man makes that's not true. I know they have ever research that are gone and yet ass. Well, I know I know from two sources only two sources of four of paid attention to that of addressed us. I think, as Milo monopolies, whose sort of being one of the big champion to try to dismantle that narrative. It's just it's been dismantled by so sociology. Ass has been renowned, Argentina, half somewhere that it so so yeah yeah figures copyright, whether the data

wrong rights to its coat totally misinterpreted? The real data is when you look at the overall wealth, like what men me verses! What women make men make more money, but they also work more hours. They also choose different jobs. They also at a higher risk to die on the job as all these different factors. The miss inception. Is that a man and a woman working side by side doing the same job at the woman is making seventy seven cents to the man's dollar? That is not true soccer and that's the problem with this. Thing and even Obama Obama heap pirated than Sarah Silver and did it recently when it was Hillary Clinton. Speeches talked about a women make less than men. It's not true dragged, but it's one of those things that if you tell people they don't believe you have to do you have to send them studies, and then they read it. You like we have this. Myth is perpetrated so prevail, ITALY is so calm and that people parity and no one questions at the fucking prayers it in parrots it on television, the lake in

electrically. That is so incredibly dishonest for him to do that if he aware of the actual stats, and he says that because he knows that's what people want to hear like go about, does care he is, is caring ants in sympathetic and he's not a pig and similar narrative has been proposed and you probably fulfilling the details regarding the honour, what the number one in five women on university campuses will experience a sexual assault. That is a ridiculous That is why it is that I don't know. That's not swell book did define sexual assault if it's a guy making it on and right unwanted grope. You know that guy moves in for a kiss when he doesn't. It means I think, you're dealing with a lot of awkward kids their drunk, and they do so shit and some of it easily could be sexual assault or sexual. You know propriety. I don't! I don't necessarily think that numbers off so that I think rape is much

more much more complicated that then I think you're talking something way way, more lightweight, ass, common, but way more disturbing, and I that is the real read the real statistic, about how many women get raped or wait different than what is being proposed. A promise. You start talking about like an unwanted grope or someone slapping someone in the ass back that August factored in, then they start factoring in things like having sex while intoxicating not become sexual assault, but conveniently only for the man to be the one. Who's, the sexual assault, are If a woman is sober and the man is drunk, no one has ever accusing the woman of being a rapist by having sex with drunk man right. Have we talked a speaking of rape? I am not sure if we discuss on the show that we discuss the rape by France,

the shop. Yes, we have well. There is also the new laws that are being passed rate by fraud, which is a fascinating guy, says, is a prince and to take you to my castle, you will live luxury forever, but he's really not appearance. That guy can you get charged with rape? What are your thoughts? while the guys, shit so more, but he surely arrested rapist well now, but he is devil, a liar! It's it's! It's really tricky! It's like what is he doing exactly he's being a liar he's telling a story, that's not true, and because that a girl's having sexual them he's, a moral is unethical. Yes, it's reprehensible behaviour and he's not criminal where criminal, because if that war crimes as I think, I'm gonna machine you shall before ninety five percent of people who are engaged in online dating are rapists, wove yeah, that's that's true, and also a lot of guys lotta themselves. The ribbon

cells, pretending they really lies. I wonder what Alan now masturbation raving, you don't even mean masturbation I mean having sexual. Can we really not really tracked you just horny is far: can you convince yourself? Does the right girl ensues orgasm, you, like, I gotta, get the fuck out of here. I just rate myself, I think gum There's something more about it. There's something unethical about it, but it it becomes very tricky when you try to decide whether or not that crime or you want to prosecute someone for rape for doing something that also it's weird because will presumably the woman had sex with that man voluntarily and enjoyed it. And then decided she didn't enjoy when you realise that guy was crazy or allow. Is not just like a lesson,

I just a life lesson and now you're gonna go and be way more picky with we decide to have sex. Would have what I mean I think of it. This way I mean again let let's link about the evolution of theory, not just in the human contacts but across the animal kingdom. There's endless manifestations of the set of signalling short animals, including Us Engage in deceptive signalling here is an example that doesn't relate to making Apple Samantha colouring, which is basically warning colors Do you have a species of say, amazonian fraud that has very vivid colors? Why? Why would it be vivid while because it is advertising, everybody hate, dont approach me, I'm very. Animates rang. While then they'll be another species of fraud that piggy back some bath colouring. That actually itself is not at all venomous. But yet because it is served this signal now nobody will attack it right, burn up boy. What

fraud what it so so the idea and again I don't want to receive comments now that I support lying, and so it is reprehensible way it is unethical. It is immoral do the behaviour of course, but it's part of life people lie to one another. A lighter themselves. I think I might mention on the shore before and even if I have a it's worth repeating There's a gentleman, a very famous biologist by name of Robert Rivers. We talked about the evolutionary routes of self deception right. Why is it that way? the save ourselves and then the argument there is that the reason why I have to first believe in a lie before owing to its because when I lie, I actually have these micro expressions that service telltale signs of my line. If I It suppressed these so that when you trying to look at my face to see if there are any signatures of deception on my face, you won't read them because, already light to myself, and so they are even clear evolution

adaptive reasons for why we lie to ourselves never mind lying to others. So lying and deception is part of the large repertoire of behaviors at the call somebody a rapist for engaging in that reprehensible behaviour. Does nobody any good that's interesting. Now. Deception also has to be defined like law lying and rate by deception like at what level still calling rate by deception like a a guy's, a fake rolex on right, like in his advertising that is wealthy when in fact, he's not yeah, I mean when a guy pretends he's making a hundred thousand dollars a year, but a really makes forty five, let's make it less fuzz, let's make a more fuzzy. How about if I am actually very apathetic guy who can't get out of bed till eleven o clock in the morning? But yet convince whomever I'm going out with that. I have this infinite bottled up and

Listen, I'm not even faking the Rolex watch. This is not a tangible think. I'm just sending her cues that I'm going places not all great ideas. I've got a lot of entrepreneurial spunk in work on every day. I want a drink. We crash some super healthy, meditated, Azora, my rapist, yeah, that's a good question like you who are you? I will tell guys issue aspire to be the man you pretend to be when you try to get laid like. If you just do they speak our guy? All the time like you know, really it's the best way to go right, but yeah that's interesting like that is deceptive rain. If he's pretending to have all this really admirable behavior, what, when a fakes, orgasm and makes you think that Europe great lover and you have sex with her Geier she's alive. She rape me so the next time I had sex with her, it was under the muskets. Option that I was a great lover, the first time when she faked the orgasm, so she's raping me that, second time now,

when you were talking about evolutionary psychology receiving a lot of criticism, is what what is it? What is it you and you? Will you sort of glossed over real quickly? To make your point, where's the where's. The vast majority this coming from you had asked a question, so it comes from different camps for different reasons, rights or so, let's stop that's kind of break them. Ok, so we can go to the religious Folks, right I mean that's obvious, though, isn't it obvious that they would be the drain but there will obviously the deeds and not to look at things realistically, because they have this that blind spot. For. Let's talk about that like professors right so then the professors typically will be one of again several types: they'll be the social constructivist, those at the guys who believe that everything is due to social construction, that what makes us human is that we transcend our by all.

In writing. An argument for that those now what we don't transcend, our about which we not strictly biological animals, will biological and cultural, but certainly can't negate, are by all arrive. What their basically arguing is that what the French hates us from all other lifeforms as that we transcend our biology some. So there perfectly fine, if you use an evolutionary explanation, to explain the behaviour of the mating behaviour of the Sailorman their rights, but don't apply that exact same phenomenon, one of the place to humans, because somehow we have consciousness and we have high order thinking and will cause what your vessel culture and that's what makes us human rights. They are guys who, for example, professors who believe that evolution stops at the neck. So so there perfectly happy with you offer

evolution. Explanation for why willing avails where we evolve a possible thumbs and that's fine, why we ve evolved the particular pancreas that we have but don't apply it to anything, the next to no not done behind a behaviour patterns or culture listen hood who are as human beings. They are some guys, you don't have ideological reasons for heating Ilusha psychology, but because they don't know much about. I wish psychology. They typical will argue or evolutions come up with all these fanciful post, hawk stories, and in a the article that I wrote that I discussed on your show today seeks to address that. Contrary to what people think the these stand of evidence that evolutionary scientists typically seek to meet prior to accepting an explanation is actually much much higher than other sciences by the very nature of the epistemological. The field the very nature of how knowledge is created and generate. I wish I think so for all sorts,

of real reasons, none of which is valid. There's a long queue of frankly buffoons, who despise ever Mercury, not the reality is that they are going to lose. This bottle right. There will be a day will become, but now to argue that humans are driven by evolutionary imperatives, and I already see it from my own scientific career. If I look at the antipathy that I felt that I faced fifteen years ago versus today is very, very different tribes. The antipathy that I felt from sometimes the same person I could still have emails from somebody who wrote me ten years ago, thinking that my work was full of shit. Whose now inviting me to his university with all sorts of deference, and so that's nature of science right it's auto corrective and the reality is the cats out of the bag. We everything's evolutionary right, I'm weak by what we could talk about The range of fields where evolution has made its way in fields where you wouldn't typically thinks all is that something interesting

I will now, but I want to keep going down with it without further gesture. I just that. I find it very fascinating when people oppose things seem pretty obvious and only that are unwilling to take into account that it might not be a case of either or but am I the case of a bunch of combining factors and Evolution must certainly continue to play its. The idea that we ve come ITALY, transcended evolution with culture and thinking and logic and language insane, it doesn't make any sense. I dont know. Forgive me if I mentioned this, the show before. But again it's. If I have it's worth repeating, I always talk about the interaction. Hist framework interaction basically means everything's interaction, most things, our interaction between our genes and our environment programme. As my fight genes get turned on or off as a function of environmental input, which is fascinating socket evolution happens with an environment so by its very nature, evolution. In itself recognises the import

so the environment. So any any anybody who is exhibits, hatred or rejection of biology using those types of arguments is simply advertising. They not very little about biology. The reality is it's an interaction and that the example like to give the metaphor I give is the cake metaphor: if you take the separate ingredients of a k, here's the sugar, here's, the edges, the baking sort, I wouldn't whatever that puts our butter their separate at first now, you big the cake. If I can ask you, when you have the final kick a five you point to the sugar or point to the edge. You can't it's an inextricable mixing among that's very good point: that's what we are. We are in an inextricable mix of our genes and our unique environments and our unique talents and our unique person hoods? The problem with much of the Social Sciences has been an and they're losing now by the day, has been that they ve completely rejected by all

as in any way relevant and explaining anything mating criminality, political choice for supper, there's a field called evolutionary politics, or by or politics, which tries to infuse evolutionary theory within political science while no kidding, I mean what what Well we're making political choices. Suddenly, our biology, she says the matter so Evelyn Mary Theory is relevant anywhere, that you're studying biological agents. So What is the argument against this and what then, why? How has someone got into a university level teaching this bullshit? What right so comes from several sources, so maybe we can sort of point of view. Never debated anyone about this I mean I have in various forums, not necessarily in a public one on one like this, but I would like to see the hook up make it happen.

To find somebody opposes. You have read their stuff online undress infuriating at its unopposed, like someone who writes a ridiculous blog, and you know you, you know right away what the motivation is, someone who's distorting reality Lafitte their own ridiculous view of the world. Yes, I've, the I'm? U have debated them in typically one of two ways, either through the review process Usually there anonymous and oftentimes I'm anonymous. So what in a double review process. I don't know who they I didn't don't know who I am and then we're engaging in debate, debate and oftentimes a paper gets rejected because they are the review. Are there the editor and then they have the final say so in that context of the baited or I've debated look at the bigger when I go after somebody on Twitter, whose espousing these causes stupidities, but I've never done it publicly. In this way, have you had a paper rejected that was logical and objective and made a lot of sense, tons of times reeling and what would give me an example one? So, the paper when I was talking to you about the the

of knowledge going down the tree sexual selection, so that I had a paper where I had looked at? How much for me? the men and women look out before the either reject a mate or choose limit, which I mentioned earlier. That paper originally had sent her to a top journal and consumer psychology, and to kind of just summarised the fact that the position it was what this is all biology. What does this have to do with psychology? So these very esteemed psychologists, somehow fought that biology, existed in a separate round to cycle in a vacuum in a vacuum, your brain, exists in this other parallel. Mrs Moreau influenced the body is no influence in the brain rocks at the other thing that they were upset about, as they were talking about or wise. This person, whose and otherwise it will very patronising, was an otherwise clearly a bright behavioral scientists talking about sex differences when we should be looking at things that make us similar to one another

Well, when you're talking about sex differences in making behavior, you study sex differences right, I mean it's a fundamental defining quality of humans, that they are sexually thy morphing. They are innate differences between men and women. So here are people who did want to accept that there were sex differences between men and women and they didn't want to accept that biology has something important to say about psychology. Now, if I speak to Neuro scientists, if I speak to buy or psychologists, they would listen to my stuff and say: oh yeah no kidding were sought so in a sense of existed in a fractured life in my academic life, if I am navigating amongst my natural science colleagues, then there are like. Oh yeah. I love your stuff, you! I love you. If I

have a gate amongst my social science friends while their less loving and less receptive, but they're coming around. So I think the problem stems from the empty slate premise: the idea that we are born with empty minds that are only subsequently filled by a wide range by cascading number of new. That's a nonsensical! Isn't it but I also have a problem with someone saying: why are you looking at this instead of looking at that we're looking at this just because you're looking at something it doesn't make it so that you can't undressed and why we are all similar in many ways, but the denial of these preferences of these genetic references of these evolutionary tendencies, that's scientific at all, like that at that That's really preposterous and of the fact that that's being taught to kids and that they go eve these institutions with these thoughts in their head that are based on a bunch of people that have never even existed in the outside world. That's what's fucked up

schools in a lot of ways chance? Is there going from learning by these people to becoming one of these people teaching in schools and net existing a gigantic percentage, never this thing out side of their academic, absent this? So to speak to your point about if I ever faced this type of activity and so on, I gave it to talks when my first book came out at a university in psychology Department and in the business school they were back to back to intercept days. So this was a talk on my book. How do you Darwin eyes the field of consumer behaviour? I gave it in psychology department first, which is made up of a lot of people who have background in neurosciences in biology, and they all listen said young beautiful, no kidding. I mean, of course, to study are consumer tory nature. We have understandably illogical and pulses the drivers. Great exact same talk the next day in the business school. This is one of the top universities in the world.

I couldn't get through a single sentence. Why? Because of the about of hostility that I face in the business to business? Why business? So I think so this advantage to questions. I think business practitioners and otherwise business people, not business academics, actually love my work or historically love my word because they are not vessels in particular paradigm only I d I'll jack. They care about results. What what works right has what or on the money, exactly you're going to tell me what are the evolutionary triggers for me to develop a more effective advertising campaign. I mean I'm in thought, professor. I don't give a shit about your parents, dogmatic fights and academia, but yes, but the act, but the academics who ve been arrested and social, constructive, ism or in cultural relativism. Every culture As relative, there are no human universals. There is no aired human nature? There is no shared biological here that then I come in on my by

Ology train and I'm dangerous. We gotta shut this guy down the reality, is if you're sufficiently confident about what you're doing ride out that storm and luckily, for me enough now, twenty years into the game, more people are coming to seeing things in the way that saying, but it's taken, a lot of dog is fighting to convince people. Of of the veracity of what I'm saying. So when you were given these speeches in your ring interrupted what are they sang? Example? Ok, I'll get first, one explain homosexuality right because their first instinct, no pun, intended instances an illusion? term. They they want to show that if the thing is evolutionary if everything is adaptive than how could you explain something like homosexuality, which, by definition is darwinian? Could the socket that Andrei well, then, I say well, there are some evolutionary theories of try to expand

was shortly. But that's not really the focus of my talk and I had just gone I'll- explain suicide. Here's the other! Now, if we are these adaptive creatures that they have this survival instinct, how do you Spain. The fact that there is an epidemiology of suicide. Why would somebody threw the life? So if I start its produce describe, as I don't think, I have a problem with no by then imagine if this goes on for every syllable than other right. So you, though, these students that are in european monies up Visa, professor, as a matter of fact, that's so rude, so two points I'll make the the more senior the purse and in the room, the more hostile they were really they so that doctoral students who took me out to lunch after we're all like, I love you stop, professor. Now, why again anecdotally? We can understand why, because

The more senior professors are vested in their paradigms, therefore, their brains are closed to any ideas that my challenge, the status, while the doctoral student who still surfing whose surfing at the buffet of ideas. Open to the idea of biology seems to make sense. The second thing that our point, when you said it's very rude, I actually got upset about try to stay put the quorum and politeness, but, as we were leaving, I took a couple, will senior folks. I said you know what is the point of inviting me here and wasting your money and I respect of time by not giving me a ass to get through. My thought would that make more sense to give me the forum and then, at the end of the day, if you decide that is not worthwhile, you throw it in the garbage, but at least you give you ve given me the opportunity to share my ideas with you or not profess argue mistook are interruptions is because we were so engaged as about can't be really in

age when you're not allow me to finish a syllable will not always out it's really simple, to take notes and then, at the end of it ass few questions I want a mean. Why did they feel like they have the right to interrupt your speech? That's a good question. I usually ask people to hold off their questions till the q and a period, but I don't know why, but especially in business schools and certainly in some of the top business schools. There is this culture of very sort of alpha milaness, where you hammer at the person you because you try to one of them up very. There is a great story on Richard General Richard Feynman is yes, the great Nobel Prize Winning physicist. I think I read it in his book. Surely you must be joking. Mr firemen So I hope I don't watch the story about the story goes something like this he's giving his sort of pre final dissertation talk assorted. The fundamental talk he still doctoral student at Princeton in front of the who's,

of leading physicists throughout hit immediately Einstein is there in everybody's there and as he's giving his talk as a young doctors student, there is this one professor, whose interrupting him in the way that those folks were interrupted me about school and from the coroner somewhere early Albert Einstein says: don't you think we owe the young man the respect to? Let him finish speaking and then I'm sure at the end of his talk, you'll have plenty of opportunities to answer us after that nobody said anything, so I think it's part of that Bob. What sort of guerrilla thing I'm going to show you that, on the smallest guy in the room, so you too we see from not the truly elite, the truly elite don't have to do this, but the guys just below want to show that it. The toughest guys in the prison yard and therefore they interrupt you. They harass you, they haeckel you. It's all the same. People that would go after you with. I hate blog, exactly professors. Just fringe intellectuals at shrilly out that really that smart, but they have achieved.

This notoriety in status because of the factor teaching at some school can I mention one such GOSH or a grand buffoon peace, Ed Myers you know that is yet another guy is one of the most execrable creatures that has ever walked academia, I'd nor I am personally well, but he's the exact type or guy who exhibits those types of behaviors. He has a incredibly successful science, blog hat off, packed up to him for having that forum, but all he does all day is attack fellow scientists in extra ordinarily. Do you know poisonous manners? That's never respectful, certainly, evolution psychologist we're all lobata miser idiots who are King sides he's the real scientists. All of us are just idiots who could our borderline illiterate and the region

Poverty is the last time that he ever published. Something was probably around the period of the renaissance, and yet he feels perfectly comfortable criticising folks who are infinitely more productive than him and I only call about now. I dont know him, but I just despise this type of bully this kind of arrogance when they are incredibly honest, hard working scientists that, in their best way, are trying on the around the world, but here's the sky was got a huge soap box. I mean, I think, over a hundred million. Use and visitors on sites or he's got a big platform. He just denigrating everybody, There's a lot of theirs this line of action in that like theirs. It's a little eyes, if you, if you are one of those people, are right to hate bog, you can get along of attention doing that, and some people become very addicted to attention and if you notice, they start repeating those patterns and blogging constantly over and over again, and then also when he

so does. Is anybody who opposes him? He deletes them from the comments, even if they're, even if their respectful. If you're an idiot? You don't know what you're talking about gets any I became We are here because that homemakers Shermer Debacle, he asked that the rape thing right now, We use Michael Shermer of rate because he had sex with a woman consensually while they were both intoxicated at a conference. I think it s all. That how you got an well, that's all I heard of em right, you know unjust, and it was though. The way it was done was so reckless and so on, informed like you, no what happened unless you were there and also, photos of Michael Shermer and the girl smiling weeks after this incident? Is all a very sorted out its ugliness right. It is difficult to understand what he gets out of this sort of frivolous, diabolical ugly since attention,

its attention. Maybe I get attention and you know he is the grand poobah the Retards she'll justice warriors furniture, that's that there's a lot of people like that out there. There's again there's a lot of attention in doing something like that you know and if fortunately it negate some really good points. They, my cat, might have about a bunch of different issues, because you have to look and it through the lens of this really poisonous person exactly right it I the first I had heard of him- was there was an incident that happened on psychology today with a gentleman by name of subtle. She comes are you familiar with them NASA, so subtle shipowners, our as a professor at evolution, cycle just at the London School of Economics, so very, very procedure school in London, England, who was a very popular blogger at cycle at psychology today

but he had a very sort of bombastic style of writing that sort of drew a lot of attention because of the way he phrase things and but but I guess he thought that he was popular that he was sort of untouchable and at one point he wore a blog article, sir, arising somebody else's work, looking at racial differences in attractiveness, so, for example, whose most attractive white women are black women, white men or black men, and one of the results from that data set. This wasn't his own study was summarizing. Somebody else's work was that black women had been raided as less attractive than white women, and he gave some- I guess, speculative reasons as to why there might be so I've caused a huge in a furor he's a racist but japanese. By the way he's array says he hates blockades. This he was. They tried to get him out of psychologists today they eventually come out. They tried to revoke, which started a petition to try to revoke his tenure at London

School of Economics, but I mention two boys number one piece admires takes this example and says: look here's what evolution apology is here. Is this racist, who happens to be an evolution psychologist all evolution, psychologists, erases bombing, that what racism usually is right, Gimme generals right. I know a friend who is jewish and who was caught cheating on this taxes that that shows you, Jews, Cheat wanted comes to money because they're always looking to make the most money? That's what happens with the rules so he doesn't see the irony of that. So then I wrote an article which I frankly, if you know any sank, took a lot of courage where I am, you could probably pull it up while you could pull it up. If you wanted, where I basically argue that to purge a blogger would set a very dangerous precedent, If you disagree with whatever South Africa's our saying, let his words come back to haunt him right words will be there if they are

truly racist if he is espousing racial theories that are pure quackery? That will be the biggest punishment he could. Suffer, but to remove him from the discourse. The public arena of ideas sets a very dangerous precedent. Precedent now guess what happened? A lot of my academic colleagues wrote to me privately said my god. Thank you for having the courage to write that article. That's exactly what I thought, but I didn't want to run the article, because people might think that I'm supporting Sacho. She suddenly shows you the cowardice of peace. To me seem very natural to write that article. I don't give a shit I'm here. I know what's right and I'm going to support that principle, which is you dont, ban people based on ideas? They right, let their ideas come back to haunt us if they are bad ideas, not only that, why is it ok to say that it there sir there

an evolutionary desire for women to breed with an alpha mailed like one of these romance novel guys. Why is it ok to say that women are more inclined to favour taller men with broader shoulders and longer or whatever the fuck, it is or why Is it ok to say that women are less attractive to obese short man, a wise it ok to say that women or that men would be like so attractive to obese women, which is a fact, but a solution. Of race. That's it then you're not allowed to look at the actual statistics you not allowed to look at the real numbers have you know is by the way that the hundred meters was very racist. This year was racist. How so black one they would do? the Lebanese. Jews were overweight that were enough and the final there was no proper representation of the rich tapestry of humanity, why were they all black that was still clearly races of us, we're talking about an athletic event? We're not talking about sex right

this is its all sorted because In many ways you could make the argument that there are women that are far more beautiful than any of that are black that are far more beautiful than any white woman. They encounter in there's a broad range of attractiveness and all sorts of different differently Susan Creeds, in different parts of the world. And is also be different. People have different things of their attracted, some people are attracted to short asian women. Some people attracted a tall women from Norway in omits. There's a lot a variety and what people personal Preference Church, when you're just looking at sheer numbers and which I'm sure it wasn't saying black women are completely unattractive absolutely, in fact, I think in the same study. If I'm not mistaken, he pointed to the fact that black men had been had scored as more attractive. So the result,

that demonstrates a finding that is racially acceptable is gleaned over the one? That is unacceptable. That makes, I take a king, not supposed. It is ignore the statistics exotic, incidentally, that that that the king,

This issue is a gentleman by name of Philip rushed and who is now passed away a few years ago, who was a canadian psychologist who spent his career studying racial differences? Specifically, he studied differences in I q and I actually had a personal anecdote with him because early on in my career, I think two years into why original professorship, nothing was ninety six I was giving a talk, Eddie Conference and this hall had maybe fifteen hundred people, and I haven't looked at- who were the other speakers in my session, but I know is that people were very seemed, there's a lot of poison in the air and it turned out. I should I may be checked before going into the hall, but the gentlemen who are speaking immediately before me was the jump, Phil oppression and is going to talk about

a cranial capacity post mortem care in capacity of black men, black women, white men, white women, and then he would show some racial differences. We forget everybody riled up, and this was probably the only time ever where I was about to give a talk when I was genuinely terrified, because I thought that I would just get lynched by proxy and the next guy in line and ditches. Gonna kill me just because I was next on the same stages. Him the good as for me is that after he finished the stocks of the room ass, they had fifty zero people. He finishes Astok I'm getting ready to go up about four hundred and twenty five out of the fifteen hundred leave to follow him, and the item to yell at him to kill her and- and this maybe like seventy five p in a room of, and I was action. A very happy that took so few people, so few people ass, they them. I thought the denial bull physical differences in human beings to

to somehow or another say that bring nose up as racist is really strange like theirs to some undeniable physical differences in bone structure, bone density, there's just something like, for instance, African american women tend to have higher bone density and similar bone density to caucasian men. Which is very rare. I can women, it's not the same, like african american women have denser bones but only in a normal way, rather than ever, actually is only just in just under general. You know and who knows what the origin of that it's when you could go into that from an evolutionary standpoint and try to figure out what part of the world they come from? What what their ancestors did? What what in the selection pressures that would result in this area as well,

their fascinating conversation, one that's exactly what Philip Russian used you, he used to argue, look I'm not a races and will have an agenda. I follow an interesting line of questions. Yes, and here is the data. Now I've asked people who were friends with him privately so so? What is the deal on the German as he raises? Is he not, and I've never been told by anybody that he was a racist but here's where I'm confused, if your showing actual skulls in your actually measuring cranial capacity? Are you not I to do there. Are you not allowed to look at the differences between Asian bull and norwegian people or our people from my and article versus view. Are you not allowed to do that? I let us it seems kind of crazy for not allowed to. So that's part visit the great paper elsewhere. I think two thousand five or two thousand six, either in size or nature of the title, the paper. I think it's for

in the knowledge that it specifically sort of breaks down the types of research questions that if you want to have a viable career? As a scientist, you should stay away from, and I think pretty much on top of that list is studying racial them says, especially racial differences. That might eventually point to a finding that legally incorrect Bryce. That's an excellent way for you to become the pariah of academia, if not the more more generally the public, and so yards grow too. I should that a sad truth weapon on Youtube Channel, where I talked about facts, are not racist or in

bullion logic and mathematical logic. You take a statement and it's either true or false, binary value, one or zero right. That's how we create circuitry architectural circuitry of a computer right. It has a truth value. Yes, no right. So the idea that a statement is racist scientifically now it's either false or that false or provisionally. True. But apparently the argument from the other camp is the mere fact that you ask these questions suggest that there must be a reason that is in the fairest for you to ask the question: what is the value and asking that question so a sort of infer a nefarious motive. Do you going down that alley yeah? But you can't do that and causes an appeal to ignorance earlier you're saying that, let's all it would solve fain ignorance and not look at the actual facts of just the physical by

bodies of human beings and they very based on climate based on you know what area of the world what what the people were up to that were living there for generation after generation that led to the genetics expressing themselves and the way they do, two thousand and sixteen it's crazy. But it's weird it's weird and it's it's almost like in response to what they believe to be illogical. Criticism, that's inevitable, like this hypocriticism is inevitable. So hedge, your bets early and say, there's no difference between the sexes is no difference between the races. I don't want to get any argument I want ten year. I want to see, want to keep promoting ignorant at an institute. Of learning supper, which is bananas as a deadly. That's how you have heard asking me so who are

but these detractors of evolution. Psychology to what you just mentioned kind of can bring us back to that point. Some of the early proponents of sort of this anti evolutionary position came from anthropologists who saw the potential for biology being misused or darwinian theory to be misused, rights or the Nazis can, I can refer to your darwinian theory. This there's a struggle between the races and we are the areas Jews lost, so what's wrong with getting weaker than that's darwinian. Of course, I've got to do with our way in theory, but I served a theory for my nefarious pursuit british class let said hey there's a struggle between the classes. We are the upper class who cares if the lower class are eliminated? If we don't funding, if we don't give them health care, if we don't educate them, that's natural selection. You Genesis said the same thing. You know

what's wrong, if we stir eyes people who are dull mentally deficient people who are maybe that too dark people who are homosexual, hey, that's cleaning out the gene pool, hey that's darwinian right, so some anthropologists thought. Well. You know there is going to be misuse of biology. So let's now creates a new world view built on bullshit. So the edifice is built on bullshit after bullshit, but at least they won't be an opportunity for people to otherwise misuse biology, and so how did they express their they created a narrative. Tat basically says that cultural relativism is what the fines, humanity, every culture is unique. Every culture is different. There is no such thing. Human universals, because that would necessitate biological

monopolies which we don't accept and so therefore, for a hundred years, anthropology departments have been built on an edifice of pure bullshit. I please the cultural and the Bio policies wreck Nice biology, but the cultural anthropologists are driven by a premise of cultural relativism, which, incidentally, are common. France on Harris tells a great story about moral relative and I hope I don't watch the story, but apparently was at a conference somewhere where not a chance to speak to the bio ethicist? Who is sitting on the president's commission on bioethics and she apparently is a sore a moral relativism type? and he asked her email? You show that there are no use, versus moral truce. I mean: are you not able to pronounce position on whether if they were Culture where people were told that every fourth child has to have his eyes gouged, so that he can walk towards the light without eyes. Would you support who might judge. So this biomedicine was unable to pay

a moral judgment, to whether if you had a just narrative that says that every fourth child should have his eyes gouged out. She could approach position the reason why she couldn't, because she is shackled, she's, intellectually shackled by the narrative of your relativism, who are we to judge other called, hence the lack of criticism for things like female genital mutilation and a samurai entities, and that's why the castrato and chief, just and true, though, that's why it when he was not before he was Prime Minister when he was a minister and parliament. He got very upset when somebody referred to child bride, honour killing, genital mutilation. Throwing acid in their faces when they refuse marriage. Whatever somebody referred to these practices as barbaric, and there is no place for the Mccain society, he didn't get upset by those practices he got upset by the other politician referring to them. As by

There is a true that is true. Look at him, then he later came out and you know hedged, and so on course, after criticism, of course, but he's responding to that standard social justice warrior sort of creed here is the king and we ve talked about this thing last. Some on the show. Briefly, he is the king of the social justice warriors. He is taking down Canada to meet where Sweden and the rest of the European Helmholz are now becoming as fast as you can well. What is his motivation? I think he's I don't. I don't think it's because he's an evil guy who

You know has nefarious ulterior motives. I think he is simply profoundly misguided because of all the bullshit that you and I have talked about through the years he comes from a environment of social Justice Warriors his dad was the architect. Pierre. True, though, was the architect of multiculturalism and Canada. Now multiculturalism, as we may or may not discussing the show before has two different meanings. We could talk about multiculturalism as there are many cultures in Orange County, that's multicultural, but multiculturalism

the political philosophy as the idea that when people come to your land, you dont ask them to assimilate. You rejoice in the fact that everybody has their unique, distinct cultures where they can express themselves in any way they can, while of course, in some cases, that's fine when it comes to cuisine right. It's not fine. When it comes to, let's cut off some clearances right doc, where it's not fine, when it comes to genocidal hatred of the Jews honour killing and on it, but it from his perspective, he is simply shackled by his inability to have a clear moral compass that says this is right. Is wrong because all he sees as the parasites and his brain. That says, who am I to judge, will judge asshole. They are from some things that are right and some things that are wrong and when we were taught about things like people objecting to the analysis of cranial capacity of different people. I could see

why some people be uncomfortable, because I could see how some people would perceive that as being some sort of a justification for racism, and so they will stand as a person is not racist, I'm not racist and I think you are either we when we're discussing this. It becomes a matter of just being a very curious biological trade and a dozen make someone superior or inferior, make someone different and its fascinating. To me because I'm looking at the human evolution the species as being this massive complex algorithm. That's going on since the beginning of single celled organisms, branching off in a multi celled organisms. So there's has been this process of change. What has made this process so that people that in Iceland or so big. You know you look those men that window those strong men competitions how many of more from fucking Icelandic it's crazy like what is that? What it was

I can join attics, ok! Well, what you tell me what happened? Why their bones so big? Why are you so tall? What is it? What is it about certain people in Africa Marathon Run. This are always from EAST Africa. Was a West Africa now east Twenty is West Africa. This price Africa, as the sprinters, has fun there there their muscles structures are very different right, twitch versus the long I saw the east African. So if Europeans and eritrean in solid Kenyans have these elevated bodies that are just built for long distance, the other guys this pact muscles right. That's why you get those differences here about that. Is not viewed as racists, because ultimately you're talking about success, success rights. On the other hand, if you talk about race, a is somehow less good at something than race B and where race a scores high on the victim ology Olympics, forgive the pun, Menu Scrooge that

there was a fantastic radio lab podcast that dealt with people from one particular part of the world that were amazing, it running and they were taught about their ability to endure pain because of the rituals. If they were, they had to endure the rights of passages man there there, sir, concision done with like sharp sticks and having to crawl naked through thorn, bushes and and really dark dark shit that they had to do, and it was interesting because one guy who had gone through that became this unbelievably successful runner and just add this unbelievable ability to shut off the pain signal. To ignore it, but he was also talking about. He wouldn't want his son to go through that same process and that he believes that the benefits are not worth. It in what culture that was I do not generally comprise pulled up these programmes up right now, but it was unfortunately not a listener like five podcast days ago, your fuckin million park ass ago. What are you gonna, kenyan runners, whose opinion, but as a particular part of Kenya,

is very small population of people by the way that engage in this, like really brutal ritual of of manhood right of passage. It's really it's it's it's? It is fascinating. How the this right here, ok Helen, yes, yes, college in college arranged collagen, will produce priests, produce an astonishing number of great long distances out. Our sub population of Kenyans yeah only those that prominent those rights, a passage yeah sure that So it's not just biology with them, but it's also is unbelievable ability to do to dine. It's called the the actual episodes called caught and run because it's about sir, decision about what they forced to do, while they must stick poking through their debt, it's really hard core and that this ready to shut off pain and ability to endure is a key factor in their ability to succeed in running that? It's a mental toughness thing is, while active may be. Perhaps

turned on this aspect of their brain areas and have you of of this other right of passage. I thought about this one. My books would the bull ants yes, isn't real. Guy has been been by one, my friend Steve, my Steve was in Bolivia. He was their filming. His show called mediator anyway, down there and he got a bullet aunt by in his foot, and he said it was so unbelievably annually scores the high. So there's a pain quotient would have exact metric, but apparently the bullet and scores the highest on that, and so this particular peoples in their right of passage. You could probably police, take a glove. They take gloves. They they sedate the the ants when the ants wake up, they start singing

the has that are in those glove. So there are multiple of these bites dozens of the glass all over the glove, and they have to do that ritual. I think, if I'm not mistaken twenty times before, they are accepted as man that's so We could take a fuckin paid area. The parisian cries, the amount of pain that you would endure by doing, that is just the there was a guy from Australia. That did it for or some sort of a television special want to go into the hospital, but You see the pain in his face while he's doing it credit. They say it's like in your hand, slammed in a car door, twenty four hours a day and credit. And then at last a long time at last for hours was interesting. My friend Steve. He got stung by this bullet and he says unbelievably painful for about an hour or two hours like where you just like. You can't believe how much pain you're a drink, and then he said after that, remember, which ankle got stung. Nook It is just as it goes away

goes away and unease is walking to the woods with these people do turn. Number the name of the people. There is only a year ago there were Turner. Remember the name of these people that he was I dont remember. I was speaking of bullets I tell you another charge on this fiction. Cyber FBI special agent friend here and get some California, and so I think, no Fred for at all. You ve met him. That's really! I am here so soldiers. Last night I was actually we met Fred and I met another. Gentlemen, was a CIA operative and we went out that conversation should boy, maybe I'll, give a little few. Hence later, but always he took me out to a because with our bullets I asked him if we could go to a shooting range,

sure. I do it so he brought his whole arsenal of FBI stuff and he had another friend with him was a security type guy, and so I went shooting for the first time ever, even though you will never shut again. For now, even though I have grown up in the lebanese civil war and had held the ethical is a cushion Kalashnikov, I'd never fired a gun. While it was something that's interesting, they have. I guess you shoot. You hunt correct yet but you hunt with a bow and arrow craft with a rifle. You don't look at all these animals this year on year, show the rifle rival now that wrongly right is one outside with each other out a rifle to side of shot things with both boner on rifle, so one was the first time ever shot. Four years ago, No, I'm not just got geology, I'm a girl. Here it was unbelievable. I was really I mean it's a lie more, he told me how she said: look out a book, the range for two hours and either you'll be the type a guy who go there

and will use the two hours or you'll shoot once, and you say this is not for me. I don't like it, I will leave and then I was asking one should my wife and kids come back to pick me up while it turned out that I stay for the full two hours, but I can understand sort of the the response that people might have where because the it's a lot more powerful than you think. What a to this parliament that I can I shot also the the submission Gandhi. The eyes of my mind that a lot easier, because it's kind of rye recoil the recall that but the guns- and I think that we have different- covers twenty to forty five. At the exact numbers There is a lot to have some really powerful rifles. There were even different, I'm sure than anything. You shall have some hunting rifles in a three hundred when mag that is lacking, Hunton shoulder every time you if you shoot it, because It's designed to shoot moose and elk and big giant animals which are heavy fit, really strong powerful round.

And yet the vulnerability that you feel when that trigger goes often hear that boom and a palm tree wearing had gas oil here guards which really have to it so important that so many of you are there that hunt and shoot without you, production and they wonder, having tennis or tonight us and really yea all sorts of issues with a hearing it so bad for you or what he. What was interesting is went before we went, and he gave me maybe ten fifteen minute safety. Many like and the main one that he gave me. This is, of course, life is not he's alive bullet something lethal, and he said that the number one thing you do is when you, the gun, the gun barrel, always points who is it happens, is that young people pick it up and start do yeah yeah I gesture with, and so on so too, to sort of make sure that I wouldn't commit such an error as it here's what we're going to institute as I do every action I am verbally going to describe

smart and that really sort of soften us. Why should the fear? Because then he's listing? Ok, I'm not good, for somebody told me after you shoot, take your finger out of the trigger so rigour discipline exactly so, then I would speak it and by speaking it it sort of gave me the discipline to never meet Can urban areas as a very smart? They should actually teach people eating so yea. I think that your method is probably something that people should adopt as very intelligent. Where it comes from actually comes from some, my research, there there's a there's a methodology called verbal protocols. So white, when you're doing research, you could either ask people to flee, something. So that's where you are only interested in the output, please what

the stimulus and tell me on a scale what you think, or sometimes I'm interested in the process that you're going through as you're doing something. So in that case I will have a recorder and I will ask for your verbal protocols verbal eyes what you're doing as you're doing it, what that does. It is basically yields very rich there but that that is a real bitch to analyze, because you're, not analyzing numbers on the scale of one to seven. You not allies. In spite of the stars, shone you actually have to go through these huge transcripts of revelations, you know it. It also. Does it forces you to exist in the conscious mind versus the reactive mine, you work, consciously engaging in a process so like there's a there's, a thing called TAT, get panic, that many archers face and it's a huge issue because of nerves, actually people that aren't use to performing under nerves they go into

is really almost like the tunnel vision, sort of state and they re start panicking ended, want to shoot the shot as quick as possible, and so they make a errors that make a lot, because there's a lot of things involved in shooting a bow and arrow correctly bow and arrow it's so it takes so much more discipline than it does to shoot a rifle because of the rifle Essentially, what you have to do is have your face in the proper position, put your finger on the trigger and squeeze so that the shot goes off almost as a surprise, and if you long as you're through the scope, correctly you have your your rifle centered in or you have your rifle long sighted incorrectly. It should, hit where you want to aim at. If the rifles accurate with bow and arrow. There are so many different anchor points that you have to have the string touching the Tipp, your nose. You have to have your hand exact same place. Every time you have to have practised countless times. You have to make

that you're holding your shoulder your front shoulder and opposition your hand has to be holding the bone of very specific position. We are not talking about left and right, and so, when you go through your shot process, you go through these. This check point in your mind. Very I too, when I do it by myself. I say it. I say: okay, him, the right position front shoulder position. You say it in your mind, said out loud. I say it out loud and then, when I go through it in a hunting scenario, we obviously have to keep your mouth shut. I go through that same checklist. In my mind, and that sort of in many ways prevents alot of the panic, because that sort of panic exist, in the conscious mind you start Thank you. Oh my god would go. Go I gotta keep lose having don't fuck this up, don't fuck this up by you fuck it up, and it's because of this react.

And to the overwhelming unusual stimulation of the events of the panic sets in, and I use up succumb to that unusual pressure. So the parliament talking about the outcome of two varieties is, was called concurrent protocols or retrospectively protocols. Concurrent protocols is where you verbal eyes, as you're doing the task that the benefit of that is that its that's life, it's its top of mind right your drive. The downside is that sometimes by asking a participant to verbal eyes, it actually changes there cognitive process shore. So then you might go to retrospective protocol, which is now tell me in details. How,

you did the thing men now the benefit there is that you don't have that that interference, but the downside, of course, is that you have memory loss. He remembered a specific, or you also have people who fill in stuff. That's bullshit right more now. The guy wants me to justify how I went and did it now. Let me just filling stuff, but that's not really what I did as its true in most of these methodological choices when you're making these scientific decisions there is no absolute optimal strategy- is always pros and cons to any definite jeez yeah. I think there is also something that happens to people when they do something so many times or becomes a subconscious action. And then, when you ask him to verbal eyes, what steps are often comes? dont know, because if programmes into their mindless domesticity. If I asked you to describe inexact detail, what is the process that you tie your shoes with Ike which hand

goes first, which finger goes underwear you'd be like how do I do it? Ok, I take the When you tie your shoes, you just go: what's got it right, you know you just go through this. Start standard process that habits of martial artist lot. There's a lot of Marshall orders that have certain techniques they ve got down to a science, but then, when you ask them to teach it say. Ok Are you doing firstly doing this Russia and they go ha I'm sure they literally dont know I've. I've talked at that with certain archers to certain archers of asked them. Are you? looking at the sight first or you, looking at the target. First, we know when you release the arrow. Are you looking to target of the site? They don't know, I don't know where it falls into this sort of subconscious state where they made ready petition. So they view the bridge. The process so many times they ve made this repetition cement did in their subconscious where they could just just sort of go

into this zombie state. You know it's funny. I I felt that recently trying to play poker. Soccer use and it's gonna speak too, that automatic city and exactly how you saying so when I was a young guy young player who can accelerate past players as if it's nothing it's a natural thing, I don't think about it. My body react and if you asked me to tell you how I shifted left I couldn't tell you now is a much older and much heavier those moves that I tried to do I no longer have the automatic ability, So actually my brain was trying to think or I better turn right, but be careful because my knees a bit weak, and so I actually felt the difference in The automatic city response, if only by virtue of being much older and much heavier right so

you got twenty years ago. I could probably not been able to tell you how I did this today. I could tell you how I did it, because it was. I saw a turtle, that's funny, but that existed in fighting for sure. You drill these moments over and over into your mind, so that when you're fighting me actually just come out subconsciously or they come out without conscious thought, because you really have the time to say: ok, I'm going to slip this right hand and throw the left of the body than that the heart of the right high kick. It has to sort of be an automatic response so that you have to be able to go into business and state which is fun and in these big movement. He's explosive movements like a martial arts thing, but in terms of like an arch, Thank you. Dont want fast, big twitching explosive movements to come out automatically what you want a very controlled process. Will you maintain very strict form, a stay calm, and so in that report

as going over. This conscious shot making process is probably better for you. I still fighting no, no us really not good, for you nobody, even as a supporter of Jujitsu. Only and I haven't done that over a year, but it is because of a back injury that I've been dealing with, but it's pretty much gone now, but sparring As far as I kick boxing sparring, I gave that up many many years ago is just even sparring. Fun, even just even you- have to really be sure of the person you're doing with, because every single time yet tagged. If you looked at your body your brain rather as a punch card. I say of holes to punch, and once you punch those hundred horse you're fucked, and you might get away with a couple of holes you might get away with three or four or five or ten or twenty. Does it all? fell. Yeah had bought a percent, but

pertains to a lot of things and even soccer player here with the head with a heading the which is insane. It would never me imagine like four years for decades. Rather, we had no idea that heading a ball could have detrimental effects, but now we're finding that certain soccer players who consistently head of the ball over a long career, develop all sorts of key. Cognitive issues with memory impulse. Of all the same sort of symptoms, and I find from fighters incredible to me because it's not a concussion thing. It's a sub, concussive trauma thing we are constantly engaging that connected tissue inside your brain to try to stabilize the brain. Is it washes around inside your skull and starts failing and then the damage. Brain moving around side of their starts. Accumulating speaking of soccer and your eminence stuff, I'm triggered by and you're gonna be addressed. Conan Conan

regular Connor, Connor Conduct or not, but I got a thousand hours driving impress it wait for the millions of their coming out on their own and regret your he'd be nice to meet. You now get to be made a goods gotta, be whatever Conan Collar Connor Honour, Macgregor, Connemara, bigger I'm triggered by him, triggered because he's a friend of the nemesis, my top man he's a friend of Ronaldo soccer, Pakistan or another previous buddy, buddy, Falcandus, Cristiano, Ronaldo and Lino Messy had been now. I trust that you now know who they Yahoo messy, as I also know that these attacks cheat motherfuckers on a jails and now he's not. You know, I think, parameters, Gunnar Poky says gonna get bank so due to go back there The same way, as you would have been twenty years ago, are not heavier but more muscle club and lift and waits for the last one. I got into Jujitsu like really heavily, which was about two thousand right around here.

Pictures of me with more defined elements. I will show you photos you go so showcase. How dare you godfather the matter by the way you live in the present right? Now I don't want you Gloria. Yet a barrel a girl six pack has gone even when we get back there as we do there. Sad, six pack project and you sort of film me as I go through the transformation, I'm gonna. Do it you're doing your I'm busy brow? How dare you, on reaching out and fresh appear? This is how you treat right. I'm gonna get you a copy of the book. Gonna get you that's a primal off after that. You can hold your hand, man, ok, you're, grown man you're. The me call me son, member you're, you're, not fifty area. Now forty nine just turned this right. Now I have the slightest.

Real, I'm fifty one! So am I e amended bounce I'm so when it makes it even more difficult to lose weight. More sat in your ways: you're hormone systems which following does your metabolism, slew wrap it up. Buddy, I do start off your day with exercise is, are you are you at currently at the same weight as you would have been twenty years ago, our nom heavier, but more muscle club and lived and waits for the last one? I got into Jujitsu like really heavily it- was about two thousand right around the year. Two thousand I washed start training and ninety six I got really into it around two thousand, so the last sixteen plus years I've been lift way more waits like are really getting the lifting ways. As I realise how significant it is a factor, I can also to protect your joints. It's a big fat or two

the ability to defend yourself better it I've. I do a lot of lung endurance an hour cardio, but I've always been terrible. Do Latona how I do at least say I've been here for a month and California for thirty days with twenty four days. While here, that's amazing, how do you do have to? I just saw we do an hour either treadmill or bike or combination, sometimes elliptical. So these three, Are you what time do you do in the morning? Let us go and the more it, but not very early, maybe say do an hour. I do now that's a lot of really good, because I was coming on issue, but They do want an hour and now here in California, I've tried to incorporate wait, training, usually back home. I dont and, as I understand it, I need to

more so well, I would say that way. Training definitely makes your body burn more cowardice. That's for sure, and two for two reasons: one because when you put on more muscle, your body has your requirements for four galleries. So it's easier for you, How did you burn more fuel if you have more muscle the act of lifting weights? very strenuous db burns lotta calories, and It also suggests it's really good for your endocrine system. When you start lifting waits, especially if you do things like dead lives, are squats identify any. That stuff goes out three her needed this on. My back, you dear that's out, so, what's wrong with you it's gone was I say about two thousand five we're moving from one house or another. I've got a huge library of books and the resemblance to say this will become evident in second, as you know, book

boxes are deceptive and that they look round their small volume but their extremely heavy. I went to pick one up and I did the wrong motion. I felt my back and then after that it would just flare up. Maybe once a year and about four years ago I went down bent down, and then I was basically immobilized what part of your back. It's the left side through your love about reasons. Three hundred this, I went to see if, as I trust and here's his advice, Neverbend again what those people dipshit decide doctors, it will tell you, don't do this and don't do that. I went to a doctor in two thousand and two because I torn monastic is just a has really simple injury for someone is Marshall, artists and data allow me to stop doing martial arts, they literally hold me you're gonna be a credible vista. You don't stop doing martial arts, I might yeah, ok what the fuck

stupid advises that, unlike just scope, this goddamn thing- let me get out of here. I got back on control and glucose, I mean a lot of fish oil and I've ad problem with that need since then, like they scope down a chunk of miniscule, which is really common with people that have extreme athlete pursuits, whether its soccer soccer allow geyser charity you now with martial arts, it's a big, it's it's normal thing. They do, but to have this asshole tell me to stop doing. Martial arts only be cripple I've just outside. Just say: look you're fuckin ass! All like you really have now no qualifications to be saying that if this is foolish, you fix injury. You can't tell me that if I- don't. Listen to your stupid lazy advice is just such a damn thing to say to people. We, especially when you talking about a monistic, is injury. You not about a severe spinal injury or someone could become pair, lies of the continued, the same things there doing

about a minuscule tear rights really simple, namely that they have artificial miniscule. Now now they do stem cells that actually generate miniscule by lay stems cell research is another one of those forbidden knowledge topics, because well was was slightly more now because they found so many different methods of acquiring stem cells are yeah but doing the Bush administration was usually problematic and its one. The reasons why Europe got so far ahead of America and this a lot of people that go to get certain treatment say get did they lay had to go to other countries, Fortunately, now there's a lot of stem cell doctors and specialists that are in United States that are having incredible success with injury in a lot of mixed, martial artist. Do it dmitri The mouse Johnson is the best pound for fire in the world. Just had some stem cell shot into his knee it's. This is a really common thing. That year you deal with some doctors, you aren't athletes, don't work with athletes, and then they tell you things. I don't ever live something again. That's crazy!

it is a crazy using it conceivable. A hundred precisely, I guess, I'll show you machine we get off today will show you a couple minutes when end soon there's a machine that I haven't, the back, all the reverse hyper and his created. This guy of type of so many you will acknowledge is created by this guy named Louis Summons and Louis. Yemen's is this guy who runs this of very famous power, lifting GM called West Side barbell and he had a bulging disk himself and his doctors at all they don't have to future deerskin. You know you have to have an operation was like white and he couldn't as a person who is an expert and physiology and a person is an expert in an exercise in and teaching people how to get strong. He could understand why, if in an inch, a compression of the desk causes this to her neate. Why couldn't a deep impression of the disk cause it to reset or to heal, so he developed this machine does exactly that.

Called the reverse hyper, and I have one of these in the back. So you see when he's lifting the wait up its strengthening the back when the weights go down, it's actually pulling the back up word it slowly de compressing, the back in an active form, but as events of the day is that show that if you use this, your hair needed disk that fact guys easily, he himself has done me. No peer review studies, but athletes have used this time and time again, along with decompression, spa decompression is also really important. Spinal decompress. And meaning, like hanging from your ankles hanging from your waste I've a couple different devices and back that I can show you that, allow you to relax your back and you Oh, is also critical. Yoke is huge because it bunch of positions in yoga where you are actively de compressing. Your back is one where you reach back. You grab yourself behind the heels he stood,

in your legs out and you literally are pulling with your arms, and you feel your back all pop pop, your releasing tension and pressure in your actively stretching your back some walk in order here, invigorated by our chat and filled with hope and optimize about diet early eyes. You know me nothing, my friend, but I it's it's really important for people to work on their core and their spine, and if so many people it don't. I have a friend of mine is big, strong, powerful guy and You know he played football in these done a bunch different things, but he's never done any like real, significant core work, and I start showing them some different exercises like windmills and things along those lines, and he was stunned at how weak lower back. Is that so many people don't work. Those muscles knows muscles are critical for athletic performance for you, ability to move and to protect your spine from injury there's a lot of injuries. Are you can avoid by just being strong in your core in your column, your spinal column and did developing? Still,

thanks around the lino that whole ray he supersensitive indelicate area of your back, but decompression is real theirs. Bunch of machines that doctors have and when I hurt my neck, I wanted things I did as went to the doctor. That would do have this machine at kind of straps. You images gives you the gentle poles and What about the upside down would have those to look at those good out does get those are good, but you have to learn how to really relax you're back a lot of people in the hang by their ankles a tense themselves up sword defeats the purpose. You have to learn how to you have to learn and its feels weird. I could feel yourself pulling apart right, but you have to relax you have to allow that to happen, and you have to do it really consistently and has to be something you do all the time it can't be sent me do once every now and again, like oem stretching back out because it's gonna go right back and also posture as significant as really import

part of tariff barriers sitting right now. I've got it means! That's why these chairs it we're sitting at we're sitting in his Ergo Depot chairs and the chairs are designed to make. You sit at a good postures, so this will sit. We your spine in a good position nor well chairs LA times you back gets around and you sit into them and its agony developed. This pain, right around your mid back or maybe perhaps your lore backed penny on whatever ailments you ve got as chair us in these complaints were hours. I've any problem, and I think there actually in some way, beneficial because they force posture that acts. It's actually a static exercise, leaving let the standing working desk better than sitting, sometimes you know, but I think gum. These things are great like because the six slash four your spinal column to be in this correct position, but I think the standing was a lot of people a lot of success with that they also a lot of people have success with those exercise. Balls, Those are the rules in force you to kind of exercise

you're sitting there. You you have to make a gesture out in a posture, is also a lot of those standing desks. They develop these standing surfaces that are their own surface, that's very varied, so instead standing on his absolute flat static sort of a floor. You're in the same position all the time. Instead. Is this dynamic? EC surface where there has always humps, do it and you move around on it so you'll, you, like lean on the left leg, lean on the right leg of reaching those things, seem to find those those surface is standing surfaces for us ending chairs israeli internet, complete rupture, Michael extending, whereas a soccer player, and one of the things that I had to do in fourteen months of rehab, is to stand on one of those boards with a ball yeah you had to because just to re learn how to more video to adjust side, you have ever repaired surgically earlier massive, that's a big one or two thousand was finished.

I have one of those in my knee. I have an account these ten and from a cadaver in my knee When are you when you get ACL surgery instead of replacing Eurasia with cadaver ACL, which is significantly weaker? They take this the ACL tendon and replace it with a Kelly's which is way bigger away. Stronger and makes you're Achilles, tendon cacl, rather rather hundred fifty percent. Stronger love, then a regular one sees what and a aware of how it works with cadavers, but place, a ligament. What it does is essentially access. Scaffolding in your body re proliferates. This cadets let em around your own cells, so instead of it being a normal size, becomes a fat cord that really keep sure Olympics have at both my knees blow out of it to Asia. Reconstructions one in each need not

on it. There's other one! That's just a chair. This guy's on its standing desk, the surface of booze standing surface, pull up standing surface for for standing down sk or surface for standing desk standing desk surface for standing on a bet, ergo deep. Has it, but what there's a bunch of those different kinds of standing desks, but moving surface for standing desk and I just dont show me: that's why I'm gonna go up great

but I don't even know it's good- I just saw that someone developed well when I was so when I had my rupture ITALY sending the trip you ever heard. Somebody describe what happens. You actually feel as if somebody hit you with a sledge hammer on your Achilles tendoned, when it pops fears that you were hit, and you I mean you drop like somebody shot, you look after the fact, so I had the surgery this is. I was a student registered at the time of colonel. I went back to Montreal to have the surgery. Well, when I went back to court now, I ask my fellow soccer players. What happened? Who was the guy who tackled me that had hit me and then somebody's? Nobody hit you just drop by yourself and then that happens. I found out that that's what everybody feels like an explosion at an explosion, but the way your body feels it it's as if there was an impact, some clobbered, the back of my leg nobody was around, I just dropped. That totally makes

It's amazing how fragile we are people are. So is the human body that similar that's one of em, that's standing board this one is a surface- is a surface. You stand on an assistant, even surface that has many different layers to it. May referendum now ascended, either wherever there's a bunch of Hampshire, but you know all these different solutions that people try to come up with for the real problem, which is now sitting in the proper posture at a chair, and I sit in his desk doing these podcast for our steady nine hours and when I'm When I m sure said and like this, my black doesn't hurt. You feel that your mental acuity is as strong going into podcast number three, as it was, in fact, but one oh yeah yeah. It's only nine hours, that's not that big, deal as long as you're eating food and one that visa assets, because earlier in my teaching career, I could do back to back lectures each one being three hours,

and it was no problem now. I can't do it not because a mental acuity problems but because what does airbag back starts hernia by about our, for I can do this wrap this up and when I want to show you the silk whip and began. Surely invest in this stuff says is it'll make a big difference in your Europe, the health of your back, because it's one thing people really didn't they just don't they dont? Look into enough and the only time they look into it- is when they're already injured, and I really wish people would pay way more attention, and I wish I had no ness. Before I got injured, I got from martial arts, because just a nature of jujitsu and wrestling there's a lot of people that I get in. I know a lot of guys at about description. Science and all sorts of fusion's and stuff, and it just the brutal nature of of the sport, but The I think some of that at least can be prevented with proper maintenance and proper Spine health decompression star

I look forward to you. Do you get off that? I dont you should do it in I do stretching, but I do in exactly the way that you said I shouldn't witches. Very sporadic and don't do you guys copy a daily thing and it's gotta be one of those things like brushing your teeth. He write down you do it? you get it out of the way just force. You sell it to me. Neither certain things that I just can't go through a week without doing you in I don't allow myself, because I know that this is just it's easy, just fuck off do. It ceases to be lazy, but when you do that you you do your body a disservice. Quick final before we and unaware, and just to point to your incredible reach, some unrecognized on the street,

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