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go to jail. Broken experience shine my day, Joe Rogan Podcast, my name all day, Mister W mister Mister broken pleasure to have you here in person. Doing it on Skype was fine, it was nice and you are today the only podcast I've ever done on Skype really yep yeah, but I just had to talk to you. I have this like. If you couldn't get down here, there's got to be a way, so it was nice to be able to do it that way, but much nice to see in person and to be here in person and actually what's responsible to be being in person at is that I wouldn't actually come all this huge distance. Even to be on your show, unless he paid me lots of money. Of course, we should not prepared to do, but but because

so I have this conference coming up at the end of the week called CPAC, which I'm surprised to know bout conference on precession, an ancient knowledge, which is the end of this for those living in southern California might want to take a take, a look yeah tell tell everybody where, where? Where is that and what is it about it? show me rageh, which is a great name and means there is no ranch but Rancho Mirage, which is somewhere near palm springs, and it is about exactly what it says, conference on precession and ancient knowledge, and it questions to begin with the whole We only say the whole the whole scenario, the standard scenario that what causes procession, which is supposedly a kind of wobble of the earth caused by nobody knows exactly what and the counter theory is that it isn't that it's that there is a dwarf star,

I'm sort orbiting the sun, upsetting the balance of the celestial mechanical balance of it, and that It's a difference there. Well, what's the difference one way or another, there's procession, it doesn't make a difference. Actually, in the big picture 'cause, it means that our solar system basically conforms with all of the other solar systems, which mostly are dual in nature: a serious, for example, as the Dwarf star that circled around at Sirius B, that's responsible for all sorts of measurable phenomena, so it starts off from there. But then the ancient knowledge comes in because procession and there's a big mystery precession seems to be a factor of virtually every ancient society, be it sophisticated

colour, China and India, S, America, Meso, America or so called primitive word. I hate to use it simply means unintellectual eyes or not expressed incoherent western philosophy for whatever that's worth the the. But procession is, is a known fact discovered. Actually log. Do you think by now it be common knowledge and everybody would teach it in school, which is a sort of a joke. An interesting the people don't teach it right, and it is well is a very bizarre thing that it's it's so prominent in ancient cultures and aids in society that they did at literally you map this out is twenty six thousand year cycles wobble of the earth and that we rarely talk about it ever no, because good upsets the notion of that there's. A knowledge of this going back to ancient times presupposes the there's a very advanced observational astronomy dating at

time when supposedly people were still living in trees. So this is actually big deal though. Hence the conference on precession and the ancient knowledge comes into it. Becaus, huh, understanding that there is a highly suv indicated, scientifiques scientific understanding that goes back not just to ancient Egypt. It self, but far thousands and thousand Millenia beyond upsets what is effectively the rain Bing religion of today, except it doesn't call itself a religion. It calls itself science which is based supposedly unreason. It's not none of those things are true. It's not based on science and science is not is the prime reason. Maybe we'll get time, while some scientists, but archaeology in particular, is very rigid in its ideas, and a lot of it is based on the professors that have written books and that teach these ideas and they don't want let them go, and when new knowledge is discovered that challenges those ideas they fight it rigorously. Even

it's knowledge like the stuff that you exposed with Doctor RON Shock Robert Shock, rather, which was the water erosion on the sphinx which we were talking about. The the podcast is, which is one of the best pieces of evidence, because the LA last time there was rainfall, heavy rainfall in the Nile Valley was, was it ninth? Doesn't he sees it? Was they debate it? But it's anyway that way before the beginning of dynastic, Egypt and then it's a question of how how old, when those rains fell cousin bit of bit of thing here that I'm now at liberty to the relate publicly originally I wasn't when I first got shot walk over to Egypt, which is another two hour. Podcast then itself that the history of getting shock interested in this stuff and when he finally agreed very hesitantly and very skeptically to come along 'cause, he had to see the evidence for my for himself and

scrape together a bit of money to bring him over and we got into the Spinks enclosure. I don't think it was got in legally. I think we bribed are again very early in the morning. Well in Egypt, everything is possible and bribed I weigh in and he walked into the swings and closure. Actually we get that up on the screen. You'll, see the you'll, see that the level of the water or the extent of the weathering of the water weathering

Chuck looked at it and everybody else walks into the sinks enclosure and has this actually this. This shock of recognition of in the presence of this fabulous work of of sacred aka, sculpture, in fact of sacred sculpture and chocolate, but shock is a is a is a no that's not as to the way back to me right in the beginning for slides and shock. Everybody else sees the swings as a work of art shock sees the rocks geologist and he back like this, and he said oh wow. These rocks look like they're hundreds of thousands of years old, and he said. Don't quote me on that, because that's of course absolute heresy that the most spectacular, sculpture, honor, it should be

tens of thousands of years, actually even the of the forty five hundred years, that are that it's associated with do not conform with anybody's idea of how civilization developed. This goes back to you of of why the the academic uncle at the crack it and make a stab lishman is so, is so passionately the old paradigm. The way that it does, because the reigning power that the reigning religion today, which is not acknowledge that as religion, is that this is this. Is the charter of progress and its credo. Just like the virgin birth is the credo of of early Christianity or present a christianity, not that they know what they're talking about the

Indeed, the credo of the church of progress is a. We are the most sophisticated human beings that have ever lived on the face of the planet with our high in bombs and our nerve gas in our strike, toothpaste and rd. Any lands where the best that ever was, and, secondly, that pro dress, as it's called goes in a straight line from primitive caveman up to ourselves and when it be come self evident that in very very ancient times they had knowledge of precession, which is an incredible thing too. It's almost unimaginable that it happens through careful observation, because the sun turn off. All of the audience will know what what this is, or maybe it's worth talking about the sun. If you look at the spring Equinox now, it's

in the last. The sun is rising against the last the last bits of of of places, it may even be in the earliest stages of Aquarius and the gradually the sun precesses us. The saying goes backwards around the Zodiac. In a cycle that takes twenty ten thousand canonically, twenty five thousand nine hundred and twenty years to make it complete circle. What this means is that it actually like seventy two years, precisely for the sun to recess one degree. So this is nothing It's going to be sitting there for seventy two years, watching the track of the sun in a in a in a cycle it takes to win six thousand years to go around and observe that there's a discrepancy that their dreaded towns passed that information down and then why should they care it somehow or another deeply connected with the civil is vision of that time and with our civilization and you'll

look at the numbers involved. This is another hours of conversation. Actually, the seventy two in the seventy three are significant. Numbers in practically all of the developed numerologically based Soc. So in Egypt set who's the bad guy derivative, probably Satan is derived from said, he's the bad guy, but he's also a great God, that is to say the gods are not gods in any superstitious fashion. They represented the embodiments of cosmic principles, so excuse me set: is he who fixes spirit in matter and the whole basis of an esoteric of any esoteric docked, including most of the religions that are around even today in their depraved forms? The objective of any esoteric discipline is to free ourselves, individually and collectively, Ferrari,

imprisonment and matter. This is the quest for immortality, and so so in some sense or another. That procession cycle is very important and the numbers are important in the myth which again we don't have time for, but OSIRIS is the good king. Actually, this is all very carefully expounded very brilliantly. In fact, in the hamlet myth it becomes spears, hamlet and then in the line Thinking in Disney's lion, king, the movie, especially which is really pretty brilliant anyway, said as the good king, who is beloved by his people and set his his wicked brother, his evil other who is determined to unseat him and steal his sister wife ISIS, while he's at it anyway, set sets a trap for OSIRIS and it's it's set in his seventy two followers

so seventy two is this number associated with time and the seventy two to seventy three is a very significant ratio. Which pervades the philosophies of of the of the set of all the all of the esoteric civilizations. So all of this stuff, instead of all of this, instead of being the kind of ask a quick adamic, thank you were talking about earlier. I still think the six is where the bus and ask one of those. What ancient myth is about. They say: oh well, it's just a fabrication written by primitive people who are trying to explain the mysteries of the universe, the other way around primitive people of the ones with the Ph Ds and back then they not only did they understand these scientific, these astronomical these astronomical facts, but they.

Orchestrated the whole civilization around those facts and the more the deeper you get into this, the more miraculous culas, the it Stent of ancient knowledge becomes now, what is the mainstream explanation when they, when they talk about the valence of the number seventy two and their understanding of the procession of the Equinoxes, do they dress it at all like how do they? How do they sort of explain how they, new about this twenty six thousand year cycle, very quick answer to that actually for a change, they don't don't lane, they don't exist. The Miller is it's sort of like the Parthenon on the Acropolis. You know which one that the crop of this is the building the Parthenon is the structure right that what is Bruce both their Tampa about the buildings? What is the what's the base the base? This is the one that they don't explain they just oh. Well, we don't really exactly that's the gigantic enormous base, huge stones that they cropped.

This is built on right. So I don't want to crop. I wish I don't know those up crop. This is the one on top. I see the Parthenon is what they're built on this the base. Structure or whatever it is the bottom area. I don't know Actually, I've never been really look that deeply into it other than that there's a friend of mine who's worked with the proportions and the the the the the sophisticated proportions of the Parthenon, and it shows actually that it's as as minutely, orchestrated as anything in Egypt, even though it's much much to the needs of, but no one knows who built that no one knows why they build it's one of those, weird ones where it's not really describe the tax and the Acropolis is by built upon it. Least, some explain to me by greek historians, but people understand greek history that just really don't understand where it came from Well, I believe, that's true, except that I think it's pretty certain that it's not it's not

of Gyptian age, although if you're talking about gigantic paving stones at the bottom of it said I don't know, but whenever you see those gigantic stones, that's a pretty good the cation of an earlier period of construction as a ball back. They have these right of monolithic. Twelve hundred ton blocks that okay I think the Romans put in that's in Lebanon, right, that's, Lebanon, yeah! So there's a ton of this kind of. Indirect evidence and when you put it all together, you get there's enough of a picture there, that it overthrows the basis that What's important about, it is up once who cares in another sense it overthrows the suppose and scientific basis of the church, of progress that, with the most of to people that ever work, and we can do whatever we please, with this once glorious planet of ours with worrying about it. 'cause we're the best than everyone before us was primitive. Well, there's some

lot of new evidence. Now, since you started your work, part Lee all that nuclear glass that they're finding that corresponds with meteor impacts throughout Europe and Asia and that's somewhere around the end of the ice age, really in the same sort of time period when they do core samples and they find this new car Glass, it's all around ten thousand plus years ago that of stuff released words to indicate that we are looking at at. Simply an event that might have human history or reset of a large percentage of of the people on this planet, where civilization in many areas was all but wiped out and he had to rebuild again yeah. This is Actually this is coming to the fore now. There's a lot of evidence for these. I think that's the tektites they're grown shock, thanks that they are the result, the gigantic gigantic CME coronal, mass ejection, giant, solar flares and a lot

residence with this. Actually we know if we get into talking about it here, I will at CPAC for sure of shock will be at CPAC anyway. The that but it's it's unlikely that it's actually a nuclear blast, because it inconceivable well, inconceivable least by our standards. A man made nuclear blast, although when you go in to the hindu texts- and I think it's the open shots where they describe what's sets sounds like I mean it's described as a battle of the gods, but for all the world that does sound like like a nuclear conflagration, a bit of human made nuclear conflagration, I'm not I think anybody knows enough to say what it is other than that that story. Is in there right. In fact, one of the because on, writer, by trade there. Just in the way that that language is used, and so

This is one of the one of the principal misleading words that if you look in the dictionary, the stick, the first meaning that it gives from this, is a lie. We will talk about the myth, myth, busters ghost and that myth is a lie, but the ancients didn't see. Myth is a lie. What miss actually is when you get into a fairly deeply is it is the it is the interplay of cosmic principles describe as drama rather than mathematics. So once you get a good look, this is an extraordinary but opaque book called hamlets mill by Georgia. Descent, the ANA and one second to our historians of science at MIT, which is about as respectable as credentials can be so as soon as as soon as MRS understood as having both

a rigorous scientific as well as as well as philosophical and spiritual base. The whole the whole understanding of math turns around, and you see, for example, in Hamlet in Shakespeare's hamlet, which is based upon the Danish. It's based upon a danish folk tale with then becomes quite brilliantly. Actually the lion king in the Disney film. You see how the myth I mean. In other words, you could decode the OSIRIS Isis Horus Smith, as as pure as pure science and. It is a spiritual doors as sacred science and, at the same time, that's a ripping good story when you, when you put it that way, a story because- and everybody can understand it, even if they don't understand it, even

they can't articulate what they've understood the power of the story soaks through this is actually the more you know, about it. My case is not that much, but at least it's better. Nothing the more you know about it. The more amazing mythology becomes that they should have been able to put together these complex, hi, hierarchical. Esoteric concepts in a way that resonates as a Tory, otherwise in so far zoom in our own cosmology, is next to impossible to understand, unless you're, cosmologist and and schooled in the abstract. Mathematics that make the thing work, I mean mathematics is absolutely beyond make, but some of my astrophysicist friends can explain it in such a way that I understand, but it's

he doesn't have any emotional impact. So essentially, what you're saying is that they didn't have this sort of scientific discipline that we have today. They didn't understand a lot of the things that we know today. As far as the way academics or scientist to relay information about space or about cosmology. So what they did is they come bind theater and story with the actual facts that they knew So that was the way they would relay this stuff and that's the way that stuff would be passed on that information be passed on through the stories but in Stories was an actual history of the world so as far as they knew through through through through that and through symbolism- and this is this- is an infant. At superior way of commune rating knowledge, because you don't have to be an expert you it's soaks into your bones and

such a way that it it directs personally and collectively people's behaviors and it's firm conviction, but this so why Egypt lasted as a coherent civilization, even inside nastic form for three thousand five hundred years and are lunatic societies coming up, start at the seams in front of our eyes at three hundred years. I owe to talk to you about the the written history of Egypt in the hieroglyphic history of the Pharaohs, because I remember, I think it was from magical Egypt, one when you were talking about the historical record like what they have written down in the hieroglyphs about the Pharaohs, that it goes back far beyond what we think dove as the birth of Egypt. You know with that the the construction, the the great pyramid, I believe they put it modern academic- put it at two thousand five hundred BC. Correct and they, you believe that it's possible that Egypt existed as far

back, as I think you said, thirty four thousand years. Well, that's that's their own. That's the Egyptians account not mine right because as expressed as expressed in a couple of in a couple of in a stone tablet called the police most because it's now in Palermo, ITALY and in a very fragmentary papyrus called the turn papyrus, which is now in Turin, and both of these documents once is a stone steel and the other is a papyrus tell or recount long periods. When Egypt was ruled first, the natural, which means the gods themselves, which I take to mean fully.

Fully realized divine human beings, in other words human beings that have attained that have have passed the test of the quest of it for immortality, who are in effect, they've outsmarted death or they about developed at you. Why do you believe this? Because they work speak for themselves as it were, and the the The level of the now we talk we back even even to to dynastic Egypt, because the temples selves and the level of art it involved the ticket early in the sculpture, is such that standard by genius is rare enough, but standard human genius doesn't seem to apply to these incredible constructions and the quick,

then next simply dismiss it out of hand, is really very talented exponents of a bar and and and primitive standing of the cosmos leading my trips there, which I do. As you know, two times a year next, one coming up by the way anybody listening in how did people going on those trips with you. It very easy pay where they find you on my website, John Elway, west dot com. Website or or my my email J, a w spanks at AOL Dot. Are you messed up? We give out your email, that's why I asked her. Is it my people, Harlan people going to send you naked pictures for sure not of themselves? the term, Dick PIC I am now so you're

thoughts are that these people that live thirty four thousand years ago were incredibly advanced like much further advanced than we are today, which doesn't take much but right when you understand what's involved, but I know what you're saying, but I mean we were pretty damn advanced compared to people a few one hundred years ago. In certain ways we are, we still can't we couldn't we, and wouldn't building the cathedral of Chartres Nobody there's nobody alive to the best of my knowledge who could produce. The building that is based upon sacred principles that comes close to his sacred geometry and say grieve even that come in the few people really know quite a bit about this, but they couldn't design charter. That's well, it's you know twelve century anyway. What was it about Egypt in that time? In particular that,

in your opinion, I mean obviously there's a lot of speculation going on here, because there's so little evidence from thirty four thousand years ago. But what is it about that area that you think develop people well at such an incredibly high level, 'cause in less there's more evidence to be found? It doesn't seem to be any parallels anywhere else in the world like that. One spot actually there's a there's, a there's, a fairly there's, a fair, really simple explanation for that, for a change is most of the stuff is so complicated, but just to go back a bit to the rule by the nature of the gods themselves and the names of those rulers are given and the length of time that they rained and then there's another group of satellite the lines the line of times incredible right. Well, as is where we're getting the thirty four thousand thirty six thousand BC from yeah, because you add that the to the time's up the turn from pie. Chris has a similar thing of the net, but rain rule of the natural and the rule by that's called so hard that the followers of the followers of the Khampa millions of Horus

and again the names are given and the regularly is, and when you add those all up together, you get around three thousand four hundred and thirty six six thousand BC, or does some I'm sorry to interrupt you but warns some of the Pharaohs? Then they live hundreds of years. There's no evidence for that it wasn't it written that they did. I'm not sure, I'm not sure what those dates are. Actually I'm not actually deeply research them. I get those figures from followed, sh. Well, they'll. Do the x the great to genius with the unpronounceable name, who put together the whole interpretation of symbolist Egypt, from which my work is derived? I mean I regard myself as swallows Boswell, making his basically impenetrable work, accessible accessible to dummies. Like me, smart guys, like you're, and not dummies, like politicians and Kwaka demics now, but

when you're talking about thirty four thousand years in the average person today lived to be about eighty years, you're talking about an incredible number of pharaohs, then yeah you are it is it is it so all that is depicted apparently, apparently the names the names are given that I get that from Schwaller from the one from the one long chapter he wrote called the the the chronology choreography. He calls it word for it, but the chronology of Egypt, where he's looking too back up to run from a scholarly point of so from the scholarly argument that the Egyptians know what we are talking about when they were assigning these long range that these are not fictitious. This is not made up history that, in order to you know all the people who couldn't read the hieroglyphs anyway only describes could read the hieroglyphs so sure

who wrote this very long and thoughtful and scholarly lecture. I sorry not lecture but John and then at the very end of it, is throwaway line and is of course the great sphinx of Giza has been weathered, chose unmistakable signs of aquatic erosion, and that was my little epiphany because I pay up on that and said wow. The rest of this isn't science, but that's geology and the geologists can be. You know will agree that this is. This cannot have taken place since two thousand five hundred years, two thousand five hundred BC when the swing sets mostly built. This will upset the whole paradigm. All of civilization will have to be of our view, of civilization will have to be rethought and that's began this long long now, four decade, long quest to find somebody to back it up, and we're now. My sense of it is close, closing in on beating down the opposition and-

this will be another thing I took in fact I'll probably be talking about at CPAC, but probably would he said a little bit more politely than I feel it necessary to talk about here. It's gone there with you, and that is riffing on a line that probably everybody who tunes into this is profit is familiar with Victor Hugo they've, the for the french public novelist dramatist of the nineteenth century, French, actually France's most most popular politician of the nineteenth century, was with Victor Hugo and it was Victor Hugo wrote the famous line, there's one thing so longer than all the armies in the world, and that is an idea whose time has come. You know that Yeah everybody knows that line, but what Victor Hugo didn't think of or if he did, he didn't express it. Is that the second strongest thing in the world is an idea whose time has not yet gone, and since

is it is a matter of record that all of the armies in the world, be they Myla, very economic, financial, cultural, agricultural, even wear, there's a paradigm there's an alarm the devoted to protecting that paradigm. This is where we stand now that that the their whose time has come all only comes when the second strongest, the armies of the second strong. This thing in the world are beaten down, they're beaten into the ground, and somebody breaches the portcullis to the ivory tower were all of these guys lived, and this is of particular interest to me because I am a scholar by default, but a satirist by nature and relieve my whole. My whole adult life has devoted to proving vision that I had at the age of thirteen or so that I was

turn into a lunatic asylum and at the age of that nineteen is very uncomfortable place to live where everybody is called in progress, and I thought it was crazy and at age about nineteen, or so I know what I wanted to do, which was to meet a little boy. Who said the emperor, has no clothes and to prove through everybody, satisfaction that indeed the emperor has no clothes and it's a lunatic asylum. The end result took me a few weeks couple of decades to realize that it was the in real life. What happens? Is that know the people all done say? Well, look. The emperor has no clothes and everybody live happily ever after what happens is that the greatest emperor gets but goes back to his goes back who is Pallas and regroups the empire and at the end, they all of the all of the four. This is of empire conspire to prove who everyone that the emperors clothes a real, but it's the child whose imaginary we were talking about

before the podcasts, and this is really fascinating. Aspect of this discussion was when first became you're. Aware of your work was that Charlton Heston narrated documentary about the aging of the sphinx, the mystery, the sphinx, which were believe, is on NBC. What what I thought was shocking was when a doctor shock was speaking to that egyptologist. Who was saying what evidence is there of a culture that existed seven thousand years before ancient Egypt? What with there's no evidence he's like there is no, he was laughing and the way he was doing it was so much ego involved in what he was saying. I was like wow. This is not how I would picture an egyptologist laughing. Well that got I'm curious. I started getting into it. Why won't anybody think like that? And then I realized? Oh, these guys write books and they teach lectures and they teach classes based on this information that they're teaching.

Now this information has been shown to be not true anymore. When doctor shock was showing this water erosion, he was saying that this was all before that discovery of go back Lee Tappy and once it discovered exactly tapping now they know that there is a sophisticated structure capable of massive stone circles. That was twelve thousand years ago, at least when it was intentionally buried. So it could have easily been several one thousand years old. Then we don't know because we know at Lee twelve thousand years ago someone was capable of incredible design, an incredible stone structures with three dimensional animals carved into the stone struck, which is very sophisticated. Now has that guy been talked to since then, and has he amended his position on it? Far as I know, he Hasn'T- and I know lane are reasonably well- were civil to each other and it won't be long now in Easley, he's he's one of the generals of the

in the in the army of the idea whose time has not yet gone, and his time is coming up for be sure, address, go Beckley Tempe. Now, because his whole his old position was there was no civilization. What evidence is there now that you have this evidence? What does he say? I haven't actually spoken to him and I don't know if anyone has. I see him in Egypt every once in awhile, I don't so. If anyone has- and I ran into him fairly recently major said hello and. I don't think I'd really necessarily want to bring it up with him off the record. I'd rather open the cameras on right and just see what it happens more, otherwise, otherwise, otherwise he's a dead duck, but it's just so. He seems to be just clinging to this idea because he had like me:

mainstream academia hasn't accepted pre dating of the sphinx or or also the difference in those structures like the difference in the can the methods that were used, one of them fastening things that you sort of highlighted in your ancient Egypt, stick. I highly recommend it to anybody who is even remotely curious. This you will be sucked in in an incredible way it got my wife is gone. Walking by the tv show, Jesus Christ, you watching Egypt again, I'm like it's. It's like it's like six on that goes on, so the different there's, a a distinction between the older methods of construction, the newer methods they use different methods- and it's really obvious to someone like me- is a risk. I don't know anything about it, but you could see the difference and also that these older structures were below the newer structures, like you had to dig on to get him, that's right, yeah, and so the fact that they don't address that the fact that this isn't like they want

want. The song of the same people is kind of crazy. It is, but as long as they can get away with it, they will continue to get away with it. As I said, the second, this Can strongest thing in the world is the idea this time is not yet gone, and anybody who doesn't let's say among myself, cell myself and my colleagues- are all in this- let's say the the question to prove to demonstrate. That the advanced civilization existed in the very distant past, which is, in my case on some case, is not necessarily, but in mine. It's because that opens in and in and of itself doesn't product that doesn't affect the price of eggs, but on a much more profound, philosophical level. Once it's understood that that understanding that civilization goes, went back, wait much much further needs to the on

standing and the acceptance that our role, our destiny as human beings is to achieve immortality. This is who is, does that? Otherwise, it's just a head trip. The words if it's not understood that we have a role to play in this grand cosmic six game, there's, no, so, reservations, because what do you mean by that? Our our our goal is to achieve immortality? Demean as individuals or do you mean that and what's in what way that we we arrive at a level of consciousness that is not subject to the death of the physical body Also all of religion is based upon that. All of this, the stories of saints and the re she's, the masters and so on, is based upon all of it is based upon. And their experiences, that led them to this understanding. If it's just a head trip, it's no good. It has to be

part of your very being the purpose of sacred art is to, and a sacred music, when it works, is to communicate even if only momentarily and fragmentary early. This understanding that there's something else and speaking from my own new experiences, I've never gone through a full blown, mystical experience, but I've had lots of these moments, particularly in Egypt and the long study, and he's it's in Egypt where there's this realization that the world is it as it as it manifests to our our faculties our normal faculties is not the only world there. Is this something else beyond that which was understood? a lot better in those days, then now- and actually, when enough, I forgot to mention this, but I don't know

You know this uh spent the last couple of years, some of sidetrack my regular work, working on a book written by a friend of mine, good friend, who was not a writer, so I help them with the editing and contributed to it, and this is a maybe the definitive book on end n d E. Those are know near death experiences as experiences. He was a christian pastor lived what he preached and David Solomon and, as he had collected all of this matter huge amount of material that he was trying to systematize, because this is now. If it's, it's, certainly not a common experience with their of hi five thousand verifiable accounts of people who have been

clinically dead and who have been revived, usually through modern methods, because now one of the reasons why it's now so common and before that was reserved for the saints, the great saints and mystics that modern medicine has has, has improved such an extent that if you get to these people quickly enough any number of people who are clinically dead, x number of minutes. You know not to do. There minutes, sometimes more extended period than that. Come back with these tales of This realm beyond that of the senses of realm of higher consciousness. Basically what it is, what they've experienced is is grace in christian terms, it's great it's a it's a moment, and they come back transformed. They come back, convinced that everything that they were doing before is

either nonsense or unimportant. Then they often come back with a mission, even though they don't have the schooling. Let's say they don't understand, philosophically or spiritually. What they have experience, they know what they've experienced and they laugh at the debunkers who are say it's all brick hallucination of the brain dying brain. This is all garbage. What they've experienced a variance and David put these together in a systematic fashion, and then as he was just. He collected all this material, and I was telling him this is that a good friend. He financed our trip to go back Lee Teppei five six years ago, and he started losing his balance and he is a tie. Chee guy who knows a lot about balance, also bonsai master and a christian pastor, unusual guy and he started losing his balance and it wasn't going away. The doctors finally figured out what what it was wrong with and he had a glioma glioblastoma of something I forget Pope something do you know what a glioma is? It's a four,

the brain cancer. That is one hundred percent fatal. It's the only thing you have is that he determine the timeline and they gave him something like ten months to twelve months to live the actually live three years and at, the point he had all of this material, and I told him when he was telling me about. I said I read it. I should write a book. This is really good the way? You're doing it is not like anybody else has ever done and he said no, no, I'm not a ride home just doing this and then, when he found out the diagnosis, then he had a mission which was to get the book out, but he wasn't a rider. So he drafted me into will put the words in the get order and he lasted just long enough to get the book finished and get it published. And it's it's it's really. If this went viral, it could make a difference. It's called he was very good at titled David, it's called it's called the dead, saints, chronicles

subtitle a Zen journey through the christian afterlife, and it really really is an absolutely extraordinary book and, and quite clear when you go through this, that what people have experienced is a of grace. It's not all the same. I mean some people, it's more profound and some people less so, but all of these people are unprepared for what experience and experience and all of them come back transformed and, of course, the that makes. This is one of the ways they protect themselves. Peer review is one way and the other is their insistence who the hell made the gave them the right to make the rules to science that that applied to science at the scientists of that banks give them the right to be. The rules, know the rules of the rules and one of their in system. One of the chief element, the chief ways in which they protect themselves, is to insist that anecdotal evidence, personal experience, does

count. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't buy a cookbook by someone who's, never fried an so these guys who've, never Friday, spiritual egg and these five thousand accounts are people actually been there to this superior around and come back to what about you. So you you haven't, had a mystical experience. You mean the psychedelic experience now that I've had yet you had so you know there is what which kind of psychedelic experiences you have low blood. Then I will ask, and I've done I've done. You know you name it up right. So then you're so you've done DMT. Done and I've done not masculine, but the other out acid, all of No, the experiences come actually from me, they're, not a major. It's not the state of grace that these people, you didn't experience the state of grace when you did DMT, not quite no, not not compared to what the the the the ask. How many times have done one one

okay did you do a lot of it? I don't he had to do a lot of it yeah and they just dissolve. Did you go to this crazy? geometric infinite universe. Where you didn't, you didn't get in there that I didn't get any of that. I did need along in town for how long you noun form he told tomorrow her up have to something happened. You gotta, you gotta, go deeper yeah and they that experience that people are having a near death experience. That is mirrored by the same to you, I'm sure you're, aware of doctor, Rick, Strassman, yeah sure sure he I believe actually is is on the end, that's right, but I never met him when Trance was doing brilliant guy and his own poor. I guess what he has created by his book: DMT the Spirit molecule. They did these clinical tests, giving people d m t in a clinical setting and at the University of New Mexico, and what They found. Was these people achieve this incredible state of understanding, a more relaxed, a vision of the future there more.

Confident like the idea, I mean this is also mirrored by some of the John Hopkins test that they've done with people with Psilocybin, where people have You know they have just a much better outlook about the future. They don't think that this is it and that whatever happens to them when they're having these trips and the way Strassman did. It is much more intense than most people do it, because they did intravenous doses, which last longer a typical DMT trip, lasts only about fifteen minutes, unless you just jump right back in, which is what I usually do, but he. He gave these people to intravenous doses which to take them just very deep for more than one slash two an hour and then I have very similar stories and similar stores, two people that have had near death experiences. I've had friends that have engineered experience is an when they talk about it. It's very similar to the way I've talked to other people that have DMT trips, where they are in the presence of this divine greatness this something so but that also chemical is produced by the brain. Now. This is where

to step in and say what your experiences experiencing is some sort of a hallucination and they might be right, but but it also might be some sort of a chemical gateway that your brain produces when we really don't know, and that might be the way the soul quote. Unquote air quotes what but for lack of a better word transitions to this next stage of life. Now, when anecdotal evidence that you're talking about is measured up, what's interesting about it is sent, accounts over and over and over and over again the people that can remember things. They remember this incredibly divine experience, but you know that question becomes. Is that experience in this is something that I've been bouncing bouncing around my head a lot lately is that accept a hallucination, or is that a spear, an actual real experience in a divine presence? An does it matter, because is it the same thing? No matter what, if you just think you're experiencing God and divine greatness, beak,

you're, creating it in your mind versus actually experiencing God and if greatness, isn't the experience? The exact same thing and is Armine locked into the idea of a physical thing like this laptop. I can pick it up. I can drop it. I know it has weight. I can touch it. I can measure the width. We can't do that with make a delicate experiences. We can't do that with transcendent experiences. We can't do that with Miss equal experiences. You can't measure them. You can't put him in a bag and take it home with you, but it might be the same thing. It's entirely possible that this is what a many many ancient cultures experienced as well. They found the of psychedelics very early on, and this is also something that you documented in your work and date doc, Granted it very clearly in a lot of the egyptian work, they had deep understanding and knowledge exam. Actually Joe. This is one of the important things about the drugs, the drugs and the ND experiences. In my view, the end Exp, chances Marcel more so because there

nothing in the way, there's nothing obstructing it they're dead. Right and this is where they go with the drugs you You know your you in these variances in the problem interesting that problem. It's not a problem with wrong word, but um with the MD experiences I mean absolutely Joseph. Pack, everybody, ordinary people, many of some, some of them. Even atheists, go through this and come back lit really transform their whole lives. It changed by it with the drugs. It really is the most part, it's a trip. It doesn't have this. Let's say this lasting, transformation, tle value it doesn't some people it does sometimes. Yes, the John Hopkins Study showed that a lot of people decades later and a vastly improved quality of life, different outlook on things and especially when you

and with terminally ill patients, oh well and they've, given it to terminally ill patients, significant lessening of anxiety and fear of death- oh sure it would be, but the hallucination this is and uh scan by the by the so called rationalists who in fact they're not there, the idea that it's a hallucination and what's a hallucination and what's its, what it's evolutionary value. Why should they be where's? The hallucination gene? This is old, bullshit Philly and what it actually is is not based upon reason as they like as they like to as they promote themselves. It is actually as the rationalization of their own inner emptiness. They can't handle the fact that there might be something else. In fact, their whole intellectual lives are consecrated to the. To proving that life is indeed is meaningless as their own, but is

what is, or is it they're just trying to look at some sort of uh? Give it a critical objective view an go over all the possibilities. We know that draw bugs do affect the mind in very strange ways, and we know some people take drugs and it completely dis sorts their reality. Alcohol is a perfect example of that right. That's a great drug for distorting reality. You can watch someone get drunk and have a very bizarre version of what they're looking at there's any drugs that do to change the way people look at things like physically the way they see things that they will help loosening they they did it. So we know the drugs have an effect on people drive. It seems rational, though, that the scientists would look at those things and try to find some sort of a scientific explanation for the chemical process is going on in the mind, the way it's affecting the visual cortex and things that the person is quote, unquote, Jalouse, mating underlying that contention, which is not science in and of itself. That is just the hypothesis. That is speculation, and I said what is based upon is protecting

their own vision of the world, which is the universe, is, is an accident and eh, anything that is mystical or sore so called spiritual is hello, Linda Tori, and they have the answers and these people as far as I'm concerned, are more dangerous even than politicians they they are put it this way. It's the church of progress is the religion of the of the emotionally defective, spiritually dyslexic and the philosophically depraved, but to put it into into other terms, you actually martial arts master. I studied with briefly used to say in his japanese accent, if you want, if you want happiness in this crazy world, you do not talk about moon names of the blind or son or English. The blind music to the death and you absolute-

we do not talk about sex to Unix, they just get angry. This is what you're dealing with when you're dealing with these. With with these intellectually based scientists, these are Speir actual emotional and philosophical unix and though it's no surprise when they buy save the way they do, who surprised who's when the when the Unix Nigger behind the Sultan's back and and a ride his passions. The problem is that, with our church of our church of progress, when the Unix take over the palace and called their terrable disability reason, then they empires, cooked you sound the person who's been deeply in the trenches against academics. You sound like a bitter man, John at the new s. No I'm not better on that! I'm not better! I'm just realistic and I know what's involved from being in the trenches. I know why. Is involved in fighting this, but

dick ular battle, which I've been engaging in all of these. All of these all of these days Ok and that's yours, because you're dealing with archaeologists, they're trying to refute evidence, they're all just as bad as each other. What I bring to the! I believe that my colleague, Graham Hancock, was an excellent writer and some of the others who are very brilliant people, Rupert well drag is also a very good friend and a very good scientist, what they are not the satirist's by Nature- and I am now Good, to go back to this idea that Hume and beings need to fulfill immortality or that their ultimate destiny to fulfill immortality. What What do you mean by that? Exactly because if there is an afterlife right, if we do die, and then we go to this other place, that people are seeing this near death experiences? Why do have to do anything can't we just sit around and wait for our physical Meet id to stop working and then transcend.

Well. This is again this gets addressed and David's book and the dead saints Chronicles, because it's our job to transcend? In other words, if if we don't do anything? Well, something happens to us and again here's where the near death experiences get interesting because almost none of them are negative, what happens to the real evil monster people that are there. In this world I mean the Dick Cheney go to Heaven if he thought that I wanna be the act that would be hilarious. Imagine if you get to Heaven like Dick Fucking Cheney's up here and you gotta be kidding me. I could have done so much more he's in the special waterboarding division where they have well. Maybe he just realizes little bit seriously. This is the per This you'd never know it from listening to these guys. This is the purpose of religion. It's a it's a practice

it's not something you believe in it, something that you do and if you don't do it you don't. Unless you go through in Nte. When you come, can you start doing it in one way or another, but it's my own personal conviction is that unless enough people are doing this, I'm getting somewhere with it, it's not as though everyone's going to become enlightened, they probably aren't and again going deep into all theories of reincarnation and returned and so on. Who is part of Egypt and part of the all of the eastern cultures? Reincarnation? No chances are you don't make it in one? lifetime, but these things, let's say, there's a report card, the divine report card. These things are measured. Jesus says insofar as some in the Bible is ISM

What is a scholarly morass and I usually try to avoid using it as evidence for things, because it's open to interpretation and it's so convoluted to begin with and who knows what's original to it and what isn't? But you know, men they are called few are chosen, but those who are called who do the worker, who tried to do their work, reap the benefit of that on an internal level that the crocodile can't measure and don't want to measure and don't believe, can be measured. But somebody with a presence is very difference from somebody without any presents at all, see that in the world around us ago, yeah. Want to bring you back around, though, because I'm still confused. What do you mean by it's our goal? to achieve immortality like what do you mean by that? Do you mean, like the physical body no longer dies and d You believe that, like whatever I read, I do not remember what I read, but I read about the early, the earliest depiction of the Pharaohs. That was

that they lived an extraordinary length of time, similar to like Noah, like no, in the in the Bible was six hundred years old when he built the Ark correct. Something like something like that: that this is a common thing, and now we know is this because the way we think of time they had a different preparation of it and what six hundred years is to us is not six hundred years to them. Is it like, like in the Koran when they talk about seventy two virgins, so that when you know when the x expression, seventy two virgins, not really seventy two with them with seventy two versions, means it's interesting, 'cause, it's seventy two again what it means is a large. It's like a shit load like someone saying a shit load, you have seventy two virgins in Heaven like, oh, oh I'm going to do with all them and a large number. It's it's the actually, it's not it's not actual number. Seventy two, it's just

sort of a a euphemism for a large number. That's one of the theories of all of those different strains numbers in the Bible, and I don't know any better than anyone else so far as I know so the Pharaohs lived ordinary life spans and, of course, there's no evidence physical evidence of the the pharaohs the natural and when the line. Rule is ruled and sham so hard when they ruled there's none of that and simply don't know the Tibetans have accounts. If you want to believe that and I tend to and see why they should lie of great llamas who live several hundred years ago, when they choose to, I don't know simple as that, and actually it's a it's a you might say it's a it's. It's it's no more than kind of mental. It's an interesting hypothesis like big foot, who cares the only thing that actually cancers the inner work and, if you're doing it you're doing it so

not doing it, and you don't measure yourself either as soon as you're looking for results, that's already not getting them very, it's a very delicate and yet profound subject, and you go to goods and master. The stuff is still around there. Are there. Are there are mass there's my own, my own focus, you probably know what? Maybe you don't is the guard Jeff work, because when I came across Jeff extraordinary character, he was the first person ever encountered posthumously? He died in forty nine and I found out about his work in the sixties, who was as contemptuous of western civilization as I was The difference was that he knew how to live in it, and I didn't have a certain point point I figured out particularly it up about before the the the the my life in the trenches good subtitles

something. I still don't understand what you mean about achieving immortality. So, if you're not talking about physical immortality, you're, not talking about someone living one thousand years and plus absolutely what are you talking about? You talked about the ideas that they they promote. Transcending and moving I'm talking about a level of consciousness that transcends death, that the body dies? and that understanding is that understanding. Is where you are? I mean the drugs do that you have these moments that the body you come back because you get out of the trip. Let's say it's, it's it's an eternal trip and the answer talk about that all the time, even even in there mythology, which is always taken as as fanciful, let's say in the pyramid texts: the script, three Is that the the when the Pharaoh dies in the Pharaoh being, let's say, the embodiment of the realize and enlightened soul

and when the Pharaoh dyes his by unites with his car, his spirit unites with his essence, becomes a star with star and traveled with across the sky in his boat of millions of years, this is- and in fact I've often wondered if Egyptians actually knew what he was being what they were talking about, and the stars, though celebs of the realizations of enlightened souls as good as any other x. Explanation that that that that this simply balls of gas. How did that get there that automatically at some point accidentally coalesce into galaxies and nebula and universes and the whole thing, those on meaning Leslie,

don't think things in that meaningless, but it is kind of fascinating that stars themselves of the only reason why people are alive. That's right. We are made of start, which is just. We are indeed incredible to think that the seeds of human life and all carbon life, in fact come from a star exploding. Like wow everything that you see like the sun. The sun is a seed for future life threats, but exactly yeah. Well, answered your own question as it were that that that the understanding- and I wouldn't even call it a philosophy. It's an understanding. People who understand more than we do certainly more than I do Rep. It isn't But if you say that's our goal to achieve immortality. That sounds like we're going to get it anyway, no matter what well, no actually with the Andes. Know what I not really. No. They they've had their their experience,

their x number of minutes of grace and come back and come back transformed and realize that they have to live their lives. This, please, I don't even talk about you know about the the future or anything like that. I mean there's a very obviously a very big thing, not that not many that not many people at the dental he achieved, but the effort, like everything else, the effort is the effort, and it's it's on the scorecard. It's like it's not so different from everybody who picks up a violin, isn't going to end up in court, in Carnegie Hall in the ring and picks up a baseball bat isn't going to play center field for the Mets or any other team? It's, but it's the effort that counts, and it's it's a certain kind of directed an intelligent effort. That is,

painful in its own way that but carries its own reward and it it manifests in a kind of presents and. Just in our daily lives, even with people who work, not Khan, usually doing it but they're doing it, they have a different level of presents and you notice it when you meet them now. What is it do you think the ancient Egyptians. When you talk about the earliest Egyptians that you believe had achieved this incredible state of mind or consciousness, what is it that you think that they did do it is that like? Why were they so advanced? Why were they so beyond what we think when we think of even the possibility of a human being living thirty, four plus thousand years ago? How did they achieve that? We don't know, we don't know all we can see. Well, we can.

He is the manifestation of of what they did when we actually, when you really understand Egypt, even to the extent that I do you you regarded as miraculous? You, don't see how beings ostensibly like ourselves could even imagine such things. Much less be able to do it, and this is what a pitch my trip okay, hi hope, instead off by saying that Egypt is like sex. That gets everybody's attention. Why it like sex, because You can read books about it and that of sorts. You can look at pictures, that's a different kind, a different level of information, but until you experienced it, you do not and cannot understand it. And Egypt is like that magically that magical Egypt series is, as close as anyone is ever come to indicating the wonder in the magic that is Egypt.

As anyone is ever way ahead and chilled, as above what anybody else was done and that's my genius partner chances doing in its entirety. It's you know, symbolist ideas and I play a big role in it, but it's really chances baby and the the but but that the visit to Egypt at the end of a couple of weeks there. I can talk from now till doomsday which I'm about the process of doing and. Nothing, nothing that I say can he come, can come even remotely close to what it's like to be too weak and he day after day after day after day, in the presence of of sacred art, of this of this, quality and there's no Aronson on the left. I mean I'm sure that China and India in all of these places, had not pyramids and not that kind of structure that nature,

deleted it straight. It's it's a kind of freak of nature, as it were all desert, except this little strip of of of Nile and then the delta that until recently was impenetrable swamp. So it's practically unattackable and the food- and I floods in the food jumps out of the ground and under the under the with with with with a series of genuinely enlightened rulers or at least pretty close to and rule, is ruling them it'll last for three thousand five hundred years, and how did they you UCF thing that they did. In fact, until quite recently, there were no such things as jobs that were trades and crafts and skills and arts and everybody I mean yes in the end, Europe, that the combination of a repressive church and then oppressive nobility,

kept everybody immersed in serfdom in one way or another, but what people actually did with their lives, was in some sensor or another the transformation tle all of it. It takes a lot of smarts to be a good present. All of these things that people to do as a matter of course. In Egypt you see it you, it carved to the walls and everyone thinks these are the scenes of daily Life- will a the daily life with the D co double activities, so anything that you do and what you're doing March martial arts. This is a highly developed skill. You are that that you wouldn't be don't have that skill, if you were doing a podcast and what you did for a living was flipping burgers at you wouldn't be Joe Rogan. Do you've you've been doing your homework without maybe even thinking

that it was homework 'cause, anything that you're involved in that that you go at with a quest for perfection of what eh it is. Has this transformational value and when you read when you know it let's see when you know it, intellectually, when you can articulate it it doesn't it it implements the actually the activity itself. So it's possible even to do that, you could be an number, you could be Enlightened, burger, flipper in the Sufis are very good at you know. The sufi is in life, but not is in love by sorry is in life, but not of it. In other words, you can you can practice waking up as it were in the midst of the most mundane things you could be you could you could be an enlightened, garbage or club garbage collect, as long as you knew what you were doing, it's a totally different thing.

I would imagine I'm not garbage collected, that's a totally different thing to collect the garbage consciously than it is to just do it. Resent fully, because that's the only job that you can get a little right so when, when we're talking, it's it's not as though this is it's not as though this is Anything actually knew it is the oldest idea that ever was and it's something that people have been doing for thousands and thousands of years. That said, going into the whole think of precession and the and the and the ages, particularly as expressed yeah, they have the golden age into silver, age and bronze in an iron age. The Hindus do it and rather more sophisticated fashion. If you get exactly the names are on the tip of my tongue, of of those ages, but if they, they are, let's say analogous to our seasons,

particularly if you live, where I do, and not in California, where it's all one season, but the seasons. The very reason that the you guys, the yoga sense right, it's it's it's! If, if it thank, if that compared to the seasons, it's a very thing to grow roses in June, then it is in January. It's the same effort when you're talking about people, you know not waking up and all of the rest of it. This is a dark age. I mean this is this: is the holy yoga as far as I'm concerned, to do anything of a spirit, jewel nature now, with all of these forces with all of these, this is lined up against. Do not consciously, of course, but unconsciously, it's it's an it's an incredibly difficult thing to actually practice a genuine, the general specs spiritual doctrine. First of all, you have to get interested in it and that's only

a small chunk of the of us and then you have to try to do it and yet every time you have to have the focal and make the time and the poster. I said that that that's right, the focus in the will and all the rest of the things and that so that's so growing roses in January takes a lot more effort than to get to the same rows. Then it takes in June when the jumping out of the ground, so my guess, is in its own league acid speculation that in these higher levels of these higher periods of of little golden silver, bronze and so on, it's just much easier. It is much easier for people to recognize. What's. Demanded of them and to do it, then it is in the middle of the of the of the of the from a spiritual point of your spiritual, but brightly lit hello, brightly it on illuminated, but brightly lit, dark, dark age.

Well, if you really are, if you look at the influence that Egypt had clearly on Greece and clearly on a lot of other civilizations, were people literally came to Egypt to learn Mmhm? What, if each of wasn't there, who what would civilization be like, is such a unique place in that there's, there's really nowhere that you can compare. That is the level of sophistication as far as the structures in the ancient in the ancient world is not it's almost like they're what they cry. It was undeniable. Like I say, Giza the great pyramid of Giza as two million three hundred thousand stones. That way, between two and eighty tons like what insane there's the level of sophistication and creating something like that. I mean I've only seen in photographs, but one of the greatest photographs have ever seen is from someone with a gopro standing on the top of it. So you get this

Have you get a sense of how immense it really truly? Is you just think about how how incredible that must have been one, especially when is covered with smooth limestone before they cut it all off mean what what you're seeing is it's it's an undeniable mastery of physical things. Point where you just it makes just it, makes your head spin 'cause, I mean people yeah. We can do that today. Well, ok, maybe we kind of uh stand that it's been done and that we can do the immense things we have, some pretty incredible tractors and machines, and everything like that, but they didn't have those now, as far as we know they didn't have those they might have had something else. What do you think they had? I don't know I mean, do you think about you? Do you have like some hypothesis and theories in your head about the construction methods, some a bit that that actually from to bed, there's actually a funny little?

look I've done some lectures out at what is it called in Joshua tree? You know about about contact desert there, mostly interested in the UFO phenomenon stuff like that, but the the place itself Joshuah Retreat Center is founded by a very interesting guy who sort of the Tibetan Krishnamoorthi, in other words, is an interesting little book erode terribly written, but his studies in That, and at the end of this little book, he's talking about he studying with the llamas he describes, of the certain of the things he is seen. Them do and I see no particular reason to dismiss what he says he's talking from experience and it has the ring of veracity to it. He talks about going into an underground chamber, though, has no lights or electricity, or anything like that. That's all lit up,

and if you go to Egypt, you have these deep, deep, shaft, tombs that go down and around and all like this and people say well. How did they like the thing up can't have had torches it? Would? It would have used up all of the oxygen I would have smoked up the ceilings and all the rest of it. People say well mirrors now mirrors will do and then you need silvered mirrors for that, go around corners there. Other gypsy caves in Seville Letter for five rooms and that are lit with mirrors from on top but no somehow and I used to joke and say well, you know you had an inner light joking, but maybe that's what Maybe that's what it was, but they they produces and he talks about other llamas. These witness doing incredible feats of that you couldn't do you know that you just couldn't do in your ordinary state? Probably you is a martial artist have had moments or witnessed people. You can do things that are for anybody else, impossible yeah, but they don't like

set up tunnels. Now they don't light up tunneled, but they can do. They can do physical things that that sure that are. Extraordinary almost miraculous that nobody else could do yeah, but that's it's a really important point where you're saying about the construction methods that they used where they did have these long tunnels in these passages in these places, but somehow or another, they managed to navigate these things without leaving any marks, or so it from from torches, which or everywhere else where people used candles or anywhere. It's like you know you in the Sistine Chapel, like the entire ceiling, is covered with such you know. They have to clean it. Yeah the guitar pro to prepare a so people could see it again, but that's that's really fascinating to think that they had some other method of illumination that we just haven't discovered. Yet we don't know what they did or how they did it. That's one thing, but you look at.

A jillion other things when you particularly this is again one of the reasons why this rank theory is his cell is so contentious to these so dangerous to these guys, because this ranks carving the sphinx is one thing. But okay, time zones are relatively resilient stones, early, relatively soft on enough guys with chisels, even if their copper chiseled could do that, given enough time and enough genius, but the temples IDA side of it, um Are built of stones half the size of this room, slotted into place like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle? This is unbelievable and again She just said is really important: copper, copper tools, that's what they think of men tempered with arsenic. I mean those same copper tools are supposedly or supposedly used for for carving the granite

the. If you go to Egypt, actually you can get you a huge audience, got the job, Grogan trip together and come on to I'm not at all. If people listen this podcast well, I have a test. Many freaks well. Ninety percent of would be great that ten percent will keep out the ten percent just do a do, prepare a power filter. Conversation will prepare us, belt there get in a room, prepare a filter and how many people would take at a time. I have a max of twenty four interesting. I thought more than that is unmanageable, and when you see it, I mean, one thing after the other and it's totally safe to go to Egypt Norton right now. Well, it's a safe LOS Angeles. I mean or anywhere else here and and dumb. Then finding this is Tom, focused forum. I can see for Americans to of all people to be

afraid of going forward worried about islamic terrorism more than anything 'cause. It's here, it's already here and his life. Like terrorism is itself a tiny little bit of that terrorism. That goes on a daily basis. You pick up you open the internet and there's some nut case kid somewhere in the shooting down the mall in the terror of the terrorist, the known terrorists of accounted for us. It's not even a statistic. It's an ex number of people that they've gone after, but in the end you're not listed here here in this crazy, violent country. You know safe anywhere, schools aren't safe, molds, aren't safe, what's safe, so Cairo has some nice hotels to write great hotels. You, so we stay at a place actually right across a stone's throw from the pyramids itself. So look at the pyramid out your window yeah. You can do that when I look

the great pyramid, or I look at the destruction I've seen online or in your videos or things on those lines that would talking to me is how each is this again. We weird thing to say how egyptian it looks and how each yep stands alone in this a distinctive way and that the construction methods, the the just the intricacy of the building and these pyramids I mean people, talk about the mayan pyramids and I've been to Chicha Nizza and it's an amazing place, and it's really beautiful and crazy to look at, but it pales in sent to the structures of Egypt, yeah everything and could happened. How did that happen? Well, as I said, because it was in a kind of a blessed one it had it had a philosophy. You know it had a spiritual philosophy. Underpinning it that had the that had the that that, had you might say that, had

the that united the people in their entirety, the I mean that they weren't no criminals and murderers and stuff like that. But basically the people were you not in their in their face. Then they believe Herodotus when Egypt, the sixth century bc, carotid and Egypt It's already in steep decline. It says the Egyptians the happiest healthiest, the most religious of people, then wasn't the egyptian Chamber of Commerce. That was telling him to say that he was a patriotic Greek, but it was like that and it was a combination of the philosophy wedded to in a society that was protected on all four sides and almost done almost impregnable or was conquered a couple of times over the course of three thousand years for a relatively brief period of time, and the food jumped out of the ground, and I

flooded in took practically no work and that made a quite substantial population. The gave him months of free time, every every year. So how did it all go wrong that we're talking but the Cali Yugas the whatever period Egypt is assigned to is on a downhill slope? It just plain was on a downhill slope and you can you can watch it trance, I'm in front of your eyes. It disintegrates, coherent religion rises in another, on that we called Christianity actually and could see it happening in front of your nose with coptic Christianity. A rising all the rest of the stuff gets completely decadent under the almonds and Rome his name given and would decline and fall of the roman empire talks about the grandeur. The glory of the switch is absolute nonsense or totally near total. Not

and the grandeur of Rome yeah. They were building coliseums and and put it in order to torture in order to let God gladiators, kill each other and they build good roads, but wrong was three ring growth. A three ring bureaucracy actually and it's the beginning of the end in Europe. Anyway, it's very traceable, the asian countries less so, but they too have high civilizations that decline and then your a bc kind of a turn around in the renaissance, the very impossible to actually date, and then you have it leading in a sort of. In a one, very one sided developments in which, in which technology and dances by leaps and bounds, and everything else is arguably a lot worse than it was a couple of hundred years ago for message from every spiritual psychological point of view were a lot worse off than let's say

colonial Americans really think. So we put the dip the colonial Americans by by the ancient people, when, when, when you, who is it that describe the atrocities that Columbus and his crew had done, what preacher yes low loads of the majority of them. Are you done horrific horrific so that those are the Concord yeah? I'm not talking about the settlers and also learn right in the host? Has this and all that stuff Montezuma was a piece of not only did well a slaughter of eighty thousand slaves after they built to to con hi. He said it to you: dot, lock on tilt your conscience. I don't like this, I don't know about- and I don't know again, but they said my bad people too,

no limit loads of had people arrested have the internet, but I'm talking about, they certainly didn't. Have the internet and lots of other goodies they didn't have no, but there was a certain, let's say about the populace in general: in America, a certain gravett us about them, there's a certain presence that is of our great great grandfathers, will not mine because they're in hungry at that time, my great great but there's a certain sort of like Emerson Self. Alliance. I mean this is this is a piece of her. Meanwhile, of course, the weapon all the slaves in the south. They're murdering all the Indians and the billionaires as their fashion of beating up on their irish immigrant workers. That's because we live have slaves when they can mistreat their their work, is and build their. You know

and build all of their railroads across the country, but nevertheless there's a sense of, as I say, grab a test is almost the only word I can think of 'cause. It's not as though it's intellectually dance or anything like that, but this is certain seeming solidity to Nineteenth century America. Then then there is now in this crazy chaos, that don't you think that there's always this tendency in human beings that long from us from the style job? They look back to the past to a moment when things made sense, it seems yeah, there's always that, and even when people are full of shit about it, like they look back in high school days, man. Those are the good old days like what are you talking about you, temples. You were your fucking mind, insecure, you're, terrified of the future, that was in the good old days. This is true: yeah Trump make America great again, yeah bring back slavery to find some more and done

We run out of Indians, murder, the mother, let's go to the let's go to the arab nations or let's go in the Amazon yeah, let's import them and murder yeah and let's bring back all of that stuff. No, it's never great, but that's the said. There's just there is a kind of Maybe I'm more optimistic, I think, there's an awakening going on right now with human beings, that's unprecedented, I think because of the internet. I think because the fact that we're combining our thoughts and some sort of strange way and sharing ideas and information in a way that no one's ever been able to do before I just I don't people- have ever been this aware of how crazy things are same time. It's live with the lunacy of last nights, presidential debate and you realize like well. I guess we really haven't might be aware of things, but actual progress not really being made. We We have the ability to be aware of things, but we are not. We are not at least in sufficient numbers.

Doing we are, we are. We are not doing anything about it and that's the crux of the matter. It's one thing. This is why intellectual spiritual it was a intellectual mysticism is a total waste of time. Only it's like intellectual violin playing not to play the yeah, or it's not music right so thinking about each- is not good enough to go the ability? Well that, yes, the ability to to get in from Asian is now absolutely unparalleled yeah. This isn't, as far as we know, there's never been anything remotely like this at the then there's never been that much static. It was a we were talking about earlier that you know the crystal sniffers in the unicorns in the ancient aliens. This is this is all a vast amount of static, so yeah to be able to find a way you have to find your way through, static to the music. How much does ancient aliens frustrate you '

'cause, I'm much 'cause. I know I watched a couple But if you did you throwing things at the tv and I don't think I have low expectations, so it's tv it's supposed to if it's entertainment than the people who are putting it together. You know don't know but they're doing, except they see that it works and they want to make money. Is it possible that the aliens made the pier moments. They have all these experts. Everything is: is it possible that extra terrestrial? I guess it's possible the drug will. It is possible in Georgia, of course, pushed into a corner, says yeah all of this, and that and so on still a daily Georgia Sucralose yeah he's beautiful. I beautiful that he's a funny guy When you think of ancient and you you think of the the the public's understanding and awareness of it. What do you say the average person is missing all of it all of it basically

yeah. The the thing like right before fate in front of our eyes and most will just have no idea, the majesty and how intensely unique it is. Oh look our mystery of the Spanx, which is at, time, one of the most one of the most watched tv documentaries of all time in a We had a massive audience and people who saw it remained. Word I mean even to this day I mean you saw it, how you did have a vhs cassette tape of it. Sorry, really he late, I brought it. We should I bring it. I forget if I brought you a limited online now I think it's you cannot be on your dvd. I was going to bring you with the the thing of it actually, but I thought maybe for call of almost memorized it. Well, that's good! yeah so anyway, quite a few times that had a certain impact for sure. Even if thirty million people sought. Three hundred million didn't right

in in going. There is really what's up and well that's the that's. That's the big concern and only ex number of people can go there. I went to the Vatican last summer this past summer, my first time ever in ITALY, and I had seen it on television before obviously I'd seen, videos and stuff of scene photos. Boy when you're there and you're a year like and what is a Saint Peter's basilica yeah when you listen Paul's St Paul's, Paul's, simple one of the GOSH now, MR now, you've missed. Okay, Saint Peters is is okay is with the down with the bug. Well, it comes out and you you look at you, go what one you're inside of it and you realize the insane magnitude of the construction, the fact that it took hundreds of years to complete and they did it all without saws without power was rather they did it all without any modern equipment, and it's unbelievably beautiful, incredible work of art and it pales in comparison to what they didn't age. Yes, it does which is like it is. There

I think I gotta go because it's one of those things where they also have an obelisk. That's a four thousand year old envelopes. I said a little major quietly stolen made it yeah and you just I get that and when you're there physically and you look at it in person, you just go: how to fuck? Did they make this still wait? A minute now wait. This is the cathedral is basilica very interesting and all that, but how did they move? How did they get? This actually is interesting book bye, bye now deceased friend, Peter Tompkins on them. Magic of the obelisks. Where he's talking about you know ripping their out of there out of context and br going into Rome in New York and England, and it was interesting because they were brought over in the 19th century, and it's already know, technology is pretty advanced than him huge cranes and all the rest of it, and it's trained the victorian technology to the utmost to get these things over. And then you realize that the uh options that it with none of those tools, yeah at all,

somehow gotten ripped out of the bedrock brought down the river, taken off loaded from the rafter boats or whatever, with the a big job transported across the ground that doable Iraq. Did in place precisely to them elimated millimeter on the base. That's a big mystery. They have levels well They have levels like bubble levels, not bubble levels, but the head of the kinds of it with water, somehow or another that that's that's, I think reasonably well established but I forget exactly how much and how they leveled, for example, the base of the pyramid to them. Millimeter. Something like that. I mean every thing that you look at any, When you go there, the deeper you look the more mysterious it becomes, a new marvel it on the double digit, the king's chamber is one of the most bizarre ones right. Well,

the nobles of more bizarre than than other things. I mean it's a, but just the enormity of the stones. The way there's there are set up, but it's just it's. So it's a complex still the way that the with the way they've set them in places so great interlocking about the ones that the the the so called relieving chambers, which are really resonating chamber, is present on the numbers. Yeah. That's that's another thing, yeah they're, not that they don't they don't relieve any things that architecturally completely unnecessary to relieve. The stress is from above directly below the king's chamber. Is the so called Queens Chamber which doesn't have that at all? Has a simple gabled roof Inn that protected from anything that it read the other chambers when you're in the chamber it's? It's like being an echo chamber, you can't it's it's the It's really a miraculous place and, of course everything is precision, cut and all of that. But it doesn't look that fantastic. It's the

levels above that other most amazing things as these are the seventy ton blocks of stone at three are talking about how they got those into place. No one knows, but they are responsible for the residents of that of that part killer chamber and it's my belief that resonance plays even not necessarily resonance for the human voice, but when you're in there, the the I forget, the acoustic term feedback or whatever that you for example, if we're in the king's chamber, and we go, we rent the pyramid for a couple of hours and for a meditation section or not on my trips and when you're in there. You can't have a conversation, the way we're having it now. You have to talk like, otherwise the reverberation is such that it scrambled your voice. This can only be deliberate and you can hear from the in here from the king's chamber. If you do it shut up and you do a chance in the king's chamber,

if you go all the way down the ground gallery and then there's a place below where you have to make a turn and then there's a descending passage that goes as deep below the ground as they as the pyramid, is this king's chamber is above the ground about twelve story, shaft, You go to the ground, twelve store, twelve stories down below and then twelve sorry built up above and right very good and an idea, and and if you set up a chance, a chant in the king's chamber, you can hear it. Down and in the pit below twelve stories below yeah? But you shouldn't be able to hear it at all, because the sound has to go down and then turn around and then go down the other shaft. By the way, I should say 'cause people always asking me now its function of age. How old we're going to keep doing these trips and then

I say: well, you know. Unless and until I can't get up and down the king's chamber up to the king's chamber I'll, I'll be doing trips unless some media thing takes over but the same tax. If you can do it, it ain't bragging, good line. I'm I was in Egypt recently on my on the research recchi trip, but that may lead to something- and I may not thank You- Trip Reckitt reconnaissance in film lingo for okay reconnaissance. I thought I was like, like a wrecking yard. No, not regular! Not Ricky, and and actually so normally you have go with the group up to the kings. Chamber, but I don't bother to go. We open gets opened up and go down into the pets. I said I Why are my 84th birthday I had? to be in Egypt, so I said: ok I'll I'll test it. So I went up to the king's chamber and down the shaft. That's twelve,

Where is up top stories, and I went down to the pit- was twelve stories down and twelve stories up and I figured that was pretty good for any floor. So it's pretty good, so I'll be doing the trips for awhile nice. Well, that's good, because I mean I don't think anybody is capable of doing the same kind of experience that you would provide, like your knowledge of Egypt is it's pretty rare in this day and age. Well, I was hoping when I had this idea to do my own trips. I thought finally I'll make a living out of this stuff, but what happened was that no sooner had my guidebook come out. You probably don't have a copy of that, but and sadder a print. Now that I have copies that back in eighty five, the first of the terrorists, things happened in these guys, hijacked the cruise ship off Alexandria and push the poor old guy in a wheelchair over the side of the crowd of the cruise ship,

then he drowned and that my boy, could just come out and instantly that tourist trade was killed, smoking by people being trade for a whole year it took for it to develop and it it did did well began, but the book had disappeared from the shelves by that time anyway, still available, of course, but wait and I lost my thread with the trips like. What did you say with Egypt. Someone doing like someone doing it plan? Was I wanted to train a number of people up to do some curb familiar? You know steeped in symbolist, Egypt, to spread the word as it were and while well while I was added to get a commission from from the trips to you know, provide some useful will for appellant. So you don't have some nice passive income Simba's right, but it never happened because in a way one thing led to another, and it was hard enough getting my own trips filled up but yeah.

Unfortunately, as it now stands, I'm the only one. Only a handful of people know symbol. Is Egypt well enough to communicate it as it so happens, I'm the only one who does trips out. So I really, I really am the only wheel in town in that regard well brought a bunch of slides, so we want to tell me what what? What do you want to show us, and why would you bring here well about that's? Why hold long lecture of you want to see you want to go to the to the geology. We have the swings, the water weathering and then other slides related to that. The gigantic blocks paving blocks around particularly around the second pyramid and I'm done and second pyramid and yeah, mostly around the second pyramid, and then I mean all of that. Stuff relates to the the scientific

geological evidence, then I wanted to get into. I didn't want to touch the symbolist. The quest for immortality, 'cause, that's a whole big subs. One thing I did want to get into and we didn't even talk about it, yeah the map of the map of dumb fuck Istan, and what I call the the I've got a great graphic for it. Actually there everybody, you know, certainly in everybody. Probably most of your audience, will know about the four horsemen of the APA. Calypso rum revelation who are actually interesting study in its own right. The four horsemen are war. War, famine, pestilence and death, and what's interesting The four horsemen is that only war

is really under human control, at least in theory. The help famine pestilence plague as it were, and that comes to us all the peculiar choice actually for the four horsemen, but I invented the five cowboy zip apocalypse two and and they are- and they are. Capitalism, patriotism, democracy, technology and entertainment all the stuff. I love it! Well, that's the Well, no, it's just another way of looking at things. Actually, It's really human folly, all of it right! Well, yeah call it democracy, call capitalism, call it technology, it's none of those things. It's a human folly. It's the human, the the error in human use, right, yes, well! Sort of the the okay capitalism is really based apon, the full uh,

so the everything for Maine, nothing for you. You see everybody's fighting for my yeah! Why can't you guide? Stay stay alive computation, but if it wasn't for that competition we wouldn't be here. We will now show in that shoot across the sky, wouldn't have laptops that works so well. We might have internet that so fast, I don't know any money, but we might not it's very possible that we wouldn't and there's a downside to all of those yeah. As a matter side too, there isn't a glass half full kind of Guy John, that anyone else that's the technology side of it and got to that. Yet. Okay, capitalism is based upon everything. For me, nothing for you, patriot. Is based upon everything for us, nothing for them. The bumper sticker says: God bless America, but hidden, stick Besides, as and fuck everyone else, that's patriotism, mmhm. The Chrissy is that the idea is that the dish

washers elect the chef and tell them what to do. I do about you and who peed in the restaurant, with the dishwashers, elect the chef and tell them what to do it's flawed. It's hopelessly flawed. To begin with which Plato recognized perfectly Churchill said that model Chrissy looks like the worst of all possible of all possible political systems. Until you look at all the others, the same time. This is fun and it's not necessarily untrue. The same time, he also said contradicting himself. The best argument against democracy is ten minutes of conversation with an average voter on the hill. I thought what my lead is elected numerically the average voter Rackley if they had a test. That would, if that were the third which is planned for next, to impossible to even conceive if, if voting, were a privilege and they when the country started off, it was a privilege, but

I had to be a white male who own property, which is not as a does. It actually looks now because in those days They were the only one who is substantial enough and probably had some sort of an education doesn't mean necessarily that they understand the principles and they obey that with us, the lights, the solid citizens who these could read. I mean nobody else. Could read except people with an education of some sort, so that was that, who is the rule- and it wasn't a terribly good rule, but it might have been in its own way anyway, that's as a principle that it shouldn't be a privilege to vote just as thank anybody could produce press at. Why shouldn't anybody be able to do brain surgery now who are design, engineer design a bridge, I'm as good as the net Skype, I'm never designed to bridge. I don't have any training, but what? But that's

is a to say. Why can't I do that or play center field for the Mets and that's at the residence really, essentially anybody you just have to say I I do it step up to my plan and get people to vote for you. Well that anyway, put it this way in its current form and in fact, as far because you could go in America, it's been a disaster. Democracy technology is certainly a mixed bag, problem. Two big problems with technology. The main one and we touched upon this earlier- is that technology deprive the average the normal human being of making. Living out of his own product out of his own creativity? It deprives them technology. Does how so it only people who are creative in technology of the p who are creating the technology. Everybody else serves the technology they work in the offices of serve the technology. They they

they're, basically slaves to the technology. What about the people that use the technology to separate themselves from from slave jobs? I does to people able to start their own businesses online yeah, because it use technology. Now, so you graphs people create things. That's the upside buttons and it's a relatively small part, compare the number of people they're talking about, and they talk about all these good jobs going out to China, shitty jobs, Nobody in their right, mind would want to work in a factory. Have you ever worked in a factory or been in factory where I've been in factories I went to school is seldom as I possibly could in uh, where that the Bethlehem steel center was, and we used to go there on field trips, Holly Michael. This is this is like working in Dante's inferno, these Mmhm blackened figure, jumping up and down in the blind, the heat of the Bessemer converters and the other kinds of jobs.

Robot stuffing things into boxes of flipping burgers, the vast majority of people yeah they get that they have. The television sets in their internet and stuff like that, but but the vast majority of people cannot do not and cannot make their living out of their own creativity and before, however, terrible things may have been in medieval times, people did creative transformation things. Could the DOW side of technology and the other bad side of technology talked about the good side. The bad side is that it's. It's not immoral necessarily, but it's a moral so as long as they can do it. They do it with hydrogen. Well hydrogen bomb going on. We don't invented. Somebody else will do it nerve.

As well. That's very good way of getting led to a with no around self strike, toothpaste well to waste the time and effort and stuff like that, but maybe we can sell more strike to strike toothpaste then on strike, toothpaste and the rest of it is in other words, a percentage of it. Yeah the Medison is very good until it gets into the hands of big pharma, then make sure that the most had that that that people are ripped off for know to get at the medicine that they need. The medicine that they that they have available is not usually a cure. It's a way of keeping people alive and buying more medicine. Anything that's! Actually. It's cure that songs from alternative sources is fought to the death by by the big pharmaceutical companies. So technology is certainly a mixed bag and entertainment depending

how you define it is what you do to kill time before it kills you for the most part. It's a waste of it's an absolute waste of time. It's take your mind off the love. The boring. This of your own life are just different. It is not entertainment. There's a God is a broad line in between that, at least in theory. Could should be filled by comedy, which is not exactly entertainment, but it's not exactly sacred science either, but it it plays at least theoretically it it. It can play a kind of a transformational role.

You can real high level? Comedy is enlightening. It's a the points out in comedy is based upon you can't laugh, you can only comedy is based upon. What's wrong, you can't laugh at what's right can't make fun of good sex of good food. You can make fun of attitudes toward good sex bill good food, but you can't laugh that's what I'd what's right not easily You can laugh, but you can and do laugh at what's wrong, and so, let's say at some inner level by laughing, what's wrong inadvertently! It's a recognition. We have within us, let's say a, but we have a moral compass or did the wrong way. We have a moral thermometer or something of the sort that recchi,

as is by recognizing, what's wrong, we're a scenting giving asset to what's right. It is to cultural course, what's funny to an Eskimo is not necessarily funny to an African of twenty two. An African is not necessarily funny to work. You know to a Chinese, but comedy has this, but angel to play, at least in my view, a transformational role, but anyway, mostly it doesn't and entertainment, but the american level turn on your television set that it's a ten and it's certainly not a heart. It's it's! It's a dead, thing it's an anodyne, it's it's sort of most of it is is, is a is a kind of is. It is a kind of what's what's with the detective because sedative, if it isn't it basically a kind of sedative or the opposite or a it's like a Benny hotel yeah I mean it's. It's a it's a stimulant actually with the with the terminator and all the rest, horrible vicious things that they do.

That's, let's get to the slides, because we're already two hours in here, oh yeah, let's, let's take a look at some of the slides of. Do you start? Let's start with the, allergy stuff right at the beginning and just whip. You passed ok now. Why do this is a really confusing thing to me? Why why they continue to rebuild that thing because when the rebuilding and the rebuilding the feet and the paws of the sphinx- and I understand, there's considerable rose in that they have to mitigate, but it's not the sphinx, any I mean it's bringing the swings back to supposedly what it was. The problem is really is engineering problem they'd Don't know themselves in at least a few of them acknowledge it. I'm shocked this number and is that is that charge doing the repairs that be doing more damage, because it's still weathering on the side in my covering it over with these usually very badly he done stuff in their act,

doing more damage than I well. The department of antiquities are That is no longer he's no longer in the pokey. They lock him up, no, no, no, never been able to eat well and he was in trouble, but they couldn't pin it on a Sunday. What is it they could now listen his eye a personal level. That's another long story than we already gone on for two hours, but on a personal level. I can get on with that and he's now back in not formally in position of power is not headed the department and he PS he's problems, you see the debate that he had with Gram hang out. Godward walked out. He was right away. Yeah. The data and and all His friends, even I mean the io, runs my trip. Mama does mainly, I called the surgeon 'cause. He really know how to operate? Is wonderful, guy and he's good per little friend of Xyz, and he said you know sorry. This is a disaster, but he you know he lived through it and he's back

back on the scene as it were anyway, we're looking at The sphinx enclosure here and uh this massive massive structure with all this erosion around right, all his road into it and then the size on Youtube. Then, when you will see as we go through a few side, you get a few slides. You'll see this. Sense of that erosion. This is just a wonderful picture of it taken by a good friend of my keep going. I thought about. This is why this is why the swings could not have been weathered sand. What we're looking at right now for people to just listening. I is it buried in sand, which it has been many many times when, when the Polly and found that it was buried in sand, correct, complete, completely buried in sand and probably for a few thousand years. This is taken photograph taken about two thousand when it had already been excavated and filled up with sand again, which happens pretty quickly. So basically, you can say, give or take a few one hundred years that since it supposed construction around twenty five

did BC, it's been buried in sand about three thousand of those four thousand five hundred years. That's in the proof that there's the evidence and still the geologists go on ranting about sound. When you were talking about the friend of yours, how did whether, by sand, wind and sand right in the hunt is on the way to the wind can't affect that way? Wasn't that the original text of whoever who who the attribute to the construction, the pyramid? Tunnels? No? No, no! No, no Pharrell copra, copra, this successor of cool fool, who supposedly built the great pyramid which is not true in its entirety. They that images and other comp comp complex argument right. You see everything's gone Plex, there almost certainly built in stages in the earliest stages, probably date, and whenever the Spinks was originally built.

The argument for copper building it wasn't a text that said that he had a dream that if he uncovered the sphinx that he would become Pharaoh now that's took Moses clauses so fat a one thousand years later they attributed to copra Becaus the causeway that leads from the Spanx. As you go, the behind it, you see the beginning, not really easy, just back in the Sphinx causeway, the causeway leads up to the right to the middle of the of the pyramid of the coffee. Pyramid, which he almost certainly did bill build or anyway, superimposed upon something that was there before, because he can prove that ok, keep I used to think it was tough Moses. Was that no? No, they always thought it was. They always thought it was come from because well that Again. What is this right? That's not the Rosetta stone! It's! No! No! No! That's the steel of took Moses that talks about how, in the dream that's covered with sand.

That's it that's in one thousand, four hundred and fifty BC so that residents, one thousand four hundred and fifty BC was consonants and exactly and with a certain number of other evidences of that sort. You can put together the timeline that I said where I've read online, someone attributing Tutmoses Moses operation. But there's a lot of erroneous. Now the face of the sphinx- and this is a really controversial thing right, because the face this thanks- is clearly newer than the body it's less eroded. It's also a very african looking face. Do they think that which obviously it's the continent, Africa, but do they think, there's the Nubians? It conquered Egypt at one point in time right, wasn't a speculation that one of the new B in Pharaoh's had created this well. This is some said that nineteenth century travelers lots of they noted that this was really an african face, but what they meant is that it's a sub sahara uh

It's a real african african face. The Nubians are very black, but have more or less finer features. They don't have the jaw. Like that. I mean that looks more like an NBA basketball player, You know, then, an Egyptian anyway. The head dress is all reason re done the picture before with with covered with sand right, you see how the weather that yeah, they they redid the bottom. I re read the address and in its entirety the face itself is a how much harder outcrop of limestone, so it hasn't weathered to the same extent that the body, if this winks has weathered so you think it's all the same error. We don't know, actually we question that you see the african face. There is a real problem. Actually, of course, the Egyptians there is prejudice does every one else, and they don't want to actually believe that this winks itself could be a sub sahara na.

Maybe from an earlier there is when the Africans were Pharaoh's, we don't know, wasn't there some speculation that initially was actual lions face and that the lines face was cut down to create this address. That's that's us speculating that way, because the the head is way too too small for the body and it certainly we had the Nypd. We did this big study. I think that's the next slide coming up yeah there it is there. You see the Midwest Frank Domingo. Who is this and why PD e? Well, he was a forensic senior for music artist for the Nypd, the guy who knows about physiology so is young it. So we did a study of the comparative phases of the sphinx and the of the swings. That's the one on the right and fair car trying. His conclusion was that no artist know competent artist or sculptor,

possibly have used the same model for the face of the sphinx. As for the copra face right with this news, a few copra faces floating around, so the MIKE my criminal partner, when, when Frank gave us that study his his comparative study, Boris Saeed for the for the for the academic establishment. This is bad news and, worse news. The bad news is that there wasn't Atlantis and the worst news as they were black, but my black friends like that phrase, but anyway, so an instance. When nineties I did an op, Ed piece for the New York Times, and I carefully left that part out. I just compared use the frank, the minute that the mangoes drawing versus the the the sphinx but Couple of weeks later, a letter was published from a n from an orthodontist who also knows about

places saying hey, hey, that syncs is actually a sub Sahara. African face. I didn't say it, then it so I'm not in trouble for that. But anyway, until until something better is discovered, it's a sub saharan african face and we don't know when it and it was re carbs and we don't know when so its entire impossible, that it used to be a lion. And then some tire liberal came along and said. I don't like that line with my face. No, it have been that the the head was so weathered that this over over time that they said well, we can't we can't repair the the face, the way that we can repair the body, and so he re carved the head and of course the face was most likely still above ground, while the rest of the body was covered. So it was subject to more erosion. Well, it would not well it's also harder limestone. So probably again, this is special station, but we reckon that outcrop was done, was sticking up

love, the sand level to begin with, and somebody at some point the jillion years ago, decided to to to or of the swings by cutting around it. Cutting the bed drag away from around it, leaving the outcrop above then carving that into whatever it may have been originally could have been an app queen. How much information did they lose when the library of Alexandria was burned, weld sense, who's burned, we don't know, imagine a million scrolls with bragged that they had a million scrolls. Who knows what was on that? One of my one of my one of my dreams, my dreams but sort of. Vision whatever, but hope is that one of these days somebody

turns over a spade in you know, in in Damascus, or in somewhere up there and discovers a cache of of you know, of of hidden of hidden scrolls girls from the from the Library of Alexandria, it's quite probable that the so called maps of the the sea kings in other very Reese Map and some of those other things are copies of maps that were are only part of the part of the library, and I have a whole film script. What's the latest on this supposed chamber that they found another pause, the sphinx there, some radio tell us lets us once the seismographs says that the chamber there, the seismograph doesn't channel and at the end geophysicist who did it said there's a void down there that mean that it could be natural void that certain kinds of limestone that riddled with those kinds of

but this isn't that kind of limestone so more more stuff when the opposition finally caves in and says they never say, they're wrong button says well, this does, those further study. Then maybe we get permission to go and really look back in into that. Stick a probe down or something like that and see. There is indeed something in there. We don't know, and that seems like an important thing could be. I mean it just to find there's something there just to find something. There is important yes now well. Is there ever been any disc russian whatsoever about yeah? I mean I know, they've done all this repair work on the sphinx. Is there ever been any discussion of taking the limestone that was pulled from the great pyramid and somehow another putting new limestone back up there to recreate its original? Look.

No nobody's ever talked about that as far as I know, but it would be a nightmarish job because all of the all of those core blocks, are all crumbly and unimin damage and stuff like that? And besides they have other fish to fry. You know, they've got technology to work, I know, but I mean just if people could see what it used to look like me- never did that when they redid it to build Cairo like what that's what they say, I'm not even a hundred just seeing the study that actually has documented where those stones are in the big brass of stones and the slope like this. You can't build a bridge out of those phones. You'd have to cut the edges of woods is almost as much work as quarrying, the stuff out of out of the room out of the. How did the rock quarry rock, which is closer to Cairo? So what do you yeah? I don't know, I don't know, but I'm not one hundred percent happy with that Expo

I don't have a better one, but but but that one is subject to let's say is subject to question now. Is it been firmly established that it was covered in smooth limestone, pretty much pretty much? Yes really the roman Greco Roman writers, who were there at the time study and talked about it being absolutely perfect and unpenetrable. In fact, one of them said: there's a rumor that there was a hinged block at the entrance that have you pushed it that or did something with it. It opened, and I've often thought that I wonder if that's the origin of open sesame e and then the one thousand and one night, because there, a lot of certain of one thousand and one nights tales that had their origin,

nineteen digit trial will be a good study. Go ahead, keep going what else we got here now. That's the head of copra with those with the Falcons well very different face the totally different faces. I mean you can't miss that and there's more long story, but we're already going over here- and I won't go into here- this water weather in that Wentz shock took one look at it said. Wow is look like their hundreds of thousands of years ago. Just keep going. Hundreds of thousands of that was so when a geologist he wasn't thinking what he was saying it. She was just saying it, but it was massive water erosion. It was massive water erosion by a guy who's expert. Teases in in that field. So if he thought about it, you know we can't document that until we get a bunch of guys there really looking seriously into it. But how old do you think it is? If you had to guess, I don't know big

Most of the way it's oriented one of the reasons that come out with the date in Hancock the bubble originally came out with eleven thousand five hundred, because as a professional marker 'cause, this would be the time as a lion. That would be the time when at last saw its own image in the sky LEO the lion, the constellation of LEO that we've been last time. I think not that there's too much going on it's into two a stage to to have been done, then I think it may be the prince the age before that which would be about thirty six thousand BC, which would correspond with the egyptian texts themselves. However, that said it wouldn't surprise me if you're older still until we got a bunch of geologists and experts in their various fields to see if they can put a fix on it and they might not be able to, but that's what that's that's one,

the things we look forward to doing. If we get permission to go back in there get the funding important and the, missions to go there and actually get this done, and this is where actually we were just in Egypt when I climbed up and down permits, I at eighty four and we got complicated story but we did get to meet the new Minister of Antiquities and who was very cordial and and kind of did the things that we had to do in order to get formal position. But then, anyway, we had. We established a personal contact with him, which is very useful and then we also met up with the director of this new gigantic museum that their bill and that is going to open in a year or two ago, and he was he was very open to

anything, the even controversial that they could apply. Science too. So if some of the other pieces of this trip didn't go as planned, we couldn't get the see some of the things we wanted to see for complicated reasons. But anyway, if we we established, the potential foothold, forgetting the next day to the will of work. That's very, very problems. That's promising! Now the the correct me if I'm wrong with anything that people in this form the form of you and I have only been around for somewhere around three hundred five hundred thousand years- that right! Well, that's the car! Thank you! Well then, it changes, yeah changes may so, let's bring it back. Let's go crazy and say it's a million years old when you, when you looking at something like this and you're talking about thirty six thousand years boy. That's just it's just crazy to think that there's this period where people just throwing shit at each other- and you know

I'm throwing my appointed sticks, animals and and kind of barely getting by and then something like this just sort of Iraq, out of the imagination and the ingenuity of people that lived ten, the thousands of years ago yeah, but shouldn't be that difficult, because you keep going through this slides you'll get to the paleo. The caves knows that that's more evidence of water ocean correct, not open it right there. No, no I'm talking about that, but I think it but bright there would that this image will read their same image though it's the same. It's the same word: water weathering. It's just another view it okay back and thanks. Okay and that's interesting anyway. Part of Mark Lane is there is that you know, is that it's it's! It flew like the way you know time and that's what's responsible for these the curved profile. But this is a tomb. That's been cut in,

so it's not old kingdom. It's it's what's called late kingdom, but a date from about six hundred or seven NBC and those are the masons marks. Still as original Pacific twenties dinner, two thousand six hundred the two and a half thousand years later, still perfectly visible, not good theory theory exploded, well that definitely puts a damper on the wind and sand erosion, but that too absolutely considering that they, they still think the US banks is twenty six or twenty five hundred BC, yeah yeah well yeah. This is this is remember that said, this can strongest thing in the world. Yes, this is not you don't trifle with them and if it is, if you think that, just because the evidence is good enough they're going to accept that now, they're only going to accept it when you beat him into the ground sufficiently so that they can't well as long as their reputation is staked on there. You know there are

regional assumptions being correct, there's going to be a problem, and so there is so. What are we looking at here? This is the corner of copra pyramid, and you see the two very different styles of architecture, the usual x below very finely dressed and the much cruder core masonry up above. This is evidence of two separate stages of construction. It's like if you had a the ability of the Korean House with an IKEA kitchen, and if you wouldn't say oh well and just decided to you know build, is victorian House and put this cool new kitchen in no right. You know in two seconds that it's two different stages of construction mmhm anyway, let's we got a lot of stuff hi. There would would stop you see where this people walking in the city that this one block you see those people, yes there and then all the way down with the third guy down. I was working at another cause them to there and then so. It's like a twenty foot, plus it's about twenty by thirty foot block and then next move next slide. That's

what is edge on those are the blocks people walking on the top? That's what we were just looking at, so those blocks are about between six hundred and eight hundred feet. Thick go back to the bottom line, so not only their six. Ninety fifth but they're stacked on top of each other, trying to build it up to that level. Wow, the six and eight feet thick and then stacked on top of another one, that's of a similar, and I go poking back into it until you see the ball joints between them pretty rough, but in fact, if you poke back in the you see that they fit together, but you can barely get a credit card between them. That's just that's that's! You know: lots and lots of weather over lots and lots of years than those of the the the blocks of the great pyramid with a much smaller and the almost free almost presuppose on a later state of construction. Where does the same? Okay, that's the red pyramid. You know we're going to take up too much time here. Keep going! Ok,

That's the interior of the Red Pyramid, and you see that's a megalithic construction. It's always called the plundered tomb chamber. Hey it's not a tumor chamber because nobody was ever found and in it it doesn't look like any egyptian tomb chamber and be it's not plundered it's. So Lee ruin! This is this. Is this is an earlier. This is an earlier construction that, for whatever reason, the builder of the Red Red Pyramid decided to incorporate that into his pyramid. It's not like an IKEA kit incorporated into the Victorian House, it's something that was there before and that they built the pyramid on top of so there's some older construction and then in better stay up there. Jamie stomach so is what you're, seeing the lower cruder level is an older method of construction. Then above it you seem like a really smooth. They

much well in and also is a really smooth, because it's in perfect shape and there's nothing to the inside of the pyramid. Right, nothing could did it's like it was done yesterday. Where is the bottom has been out in the weather for a long? That's the secret is another good bye. It's whether it is not like that not like these, the exterior of the sphinx, but it, but it's style is typically is typically a megalithic. It looks certainly constructions in in Ireland and Scotland and Wales megalithic constructions there. So you mean like a cruder of cutting, much much cruder and and but dating from an early. We are period six, seven thousand BC? Something is so much like when they go and do excavations in Mexico, city they're always building their building like buildings down there, and they have to stop construction 'cause. They find like some ancient pyramid or something along those lines exactly what this is is they had an old structure and they built the new stuff on top of it, the new stuff,

That's what we think of as the original structure, but there's evidence the point that there were some ancient stuff below that exactly interesting okay, and when we got here more, that's more and more the same lots of shocking myself there This is another piece of the puzzle. This is part of our b behind the temple itself. Temple is off to the right, and this is again a good friend of mine is is done in the lab work on this, and even though he's not a need, if Tala, just it's being academically published, but it's going into into all sorts of of things having to do with the strain structure, which is one of the most resonating powerful places in all of Egypt. We are convinced shocking myself that those central pillars date from a much earlier period and then the rest of the Temple is setting the first, which is about one thousand three hundred BC. This is too elaborate to get into here and I'm running out of words. Why do you think that it's older Lunn

construction, nodded style, style of construction, mostly style of construction, and hey that it's cited, the sort of buried it into the ground, which is almost unheard of in it for an egyptian temple to be constructed into the as a subterranean structure without a roof over it and so on at some point or another. But anyway, that's it. That's, complicated issue there. It is. It fills up with water, sometimes, and now they won't let you in down but anyway- and this is we'll go through the this is us actually, the go, John Duncan myself in Hancock and and the the the Graham still now is getting a bit question more cautious about it. But we we went there finance what is mega, millionaire, japanese industrialist

really mean he wanted to prove the existence of the, and, as you see I mean all of those geometric looks there and shock, and I came to think after a week of diving of diving there that seductive as it looks it really is a natural entirely, a not triple way and we could even see we with one the pictures of it because of the last day we there to get even see the way that it was formed by the the nature. The rock and the action of the waves and the terrific tides that that prevail there. This is what this the that's me. You can tell us you, so you actually did the diving down there. How old are you do that? Oh, was that and twelve years ago, pretty gangster in my seventh is pretty externally hello, get down the bottom of the ocean when you're seventy, while checking out, rocks well- and I don't like being

the water heater, but for archaeology I'll, do it? Ok, keep going. I will this is the famous. This is the famous cartoons that some people think her is here now. These are the paleolithic caves. This is the best of them Cole Chauvet, this data- this is in France, or this is in France and this day day day date, not us they date, two hundred and thirty one thousand pc or uh older. This is genius stuff, great artist did this great artists are not primitive, they might be shooting arrows at rhinoceroses to eat, and why not a lot better than going to the supermarket the organic? You have that. Are you never heard of the GMO Right, not service, but this is this is fabulous work and who knows what was going on the rest of the time when they're doing this in the dark hidden away in these caves- and this is thirty one

thousand BC, so the date for us of thirty six thousand or there about four you for the sphinx, and all of that is not as out of out of the question as as you think, because day date, this the thirty one thousand and- and this presupposes that a an extremely sophisticated art, artistry and south you know- supremely sophisticated artistry- is not done by morons or by by primitives it just doesn't what is great stuff yeah they yeah. They definitely had a very good sense of how to capture these animals that they worshipped and went after look like, but is crazy. Here you see with those like a rhino down there and hold it is it is, it is, and the horses yeah wild horses Mile

and this is go back into that. The study of Beckley now is correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they've only uncovered less than ten percent of Go Beckley, Tempe yeah, let much less. I think five percent or something like that and they work well now it's new- the syrian borders of God knows what they're doing, but there covering it over, because once they started excavating it when protected by the fill role of these thousands of years. And it started deteriorating and now they've. Unfortunately, you can no longer see it the way they talk and I saw six seven years So what are they covering it with? Well? They've got sheds and roofs over completely destroyed it's magic, but I can't blame them right the weather is getting at it. Well, they don't. When did they discover this? It was I we discovered in the 90s, ninety four or so, and they've been working on it every and only came into public view around two thousand and four

or, or thereabouts, and hear his some of the detail, and this is a shock- is fascinated by this, because that kind of thing of the anthropomorphic of the of the hands grasping around the corner. That's the doing the that was something almost identical to that in Easter Island. We think Easter Island plays a role in this whole lost civilization, hypothesis, wow, that's or again. This is raised relief. You have to chop the sun, cotorra, braid in the stone away from the figures. This is tough to do it's three, the stuff and also aren't there to animals depicted on these things that aren't even local they're, not even available in that continent on or they think, there's a history of these animals. I am not sure this is, but this one is that when there is a chi, the feline of some sort of hard to tell exactly what it is, because it's stylized right with it. That's a pretty brilliant piece of sculpture and you have to you know Carver way the holds stone surface in order to get at that yeah sure

but I'm not sure if they, if they know or surmise what that is yeah, it was like some sort of like have you miss something out of a some sort of the Pumas, and this is interesting- that's a bead that they found there from go back to the topic and the this is a big mystery in a small bead with how did they drill that hole very, very hard stone? Very it's not a very small stone, too 'cause. This is sitting in your hand. That's about the size of the last digit of your thumb, yeah! It's tiny, the tiny and it's been and so there's a tiny little hole in that and again we're talking about a time where there's no steel. So how did do that exactly bar there. Is it there's a bunch of sick pottery in Egypt in terms of the carved stone right where they have zero idea, how they, how they constructed it with a very thin lip. Then it goes inside contour yeah. I think we have one of those there. This is a this is a a bracelet found recently in

Turkey had made of obsidians, which is an almost impossible stone to work with an the ridges on it. They not us have found by doing a careful study of a geometrically that it's very sophisticated geometry at work. I forget exactly what it is that's at at at issue here, but it's not just a couple cave men saying well, you know my wife is pissed off at me, so I better give her something nice for our anniversary. So I said: well, here's a nice chunk of Webb City and I think, I'll I'll do a little bracelet for her and do they know how all this is data by the part of that is found in around eight thousand BC. Okay, this is the worst of this is our Danielle, which is a treasure of megalithic on MIS, understood, look at these extreme plastics doctors. We think shocking myself that this may be. A lot of this may be a in answer to this mass

of Corona mass ejection. That happened. Maybe thousands of years earlier, even and people are still building things to keep them safe from another one of these. Now, what what would be the effect of a crown, a massive ejection right now, yeah, the contrast of the credits for, right now what it would kill the satellites and it would be a lot of issues it would freeze the grid it would fry the grid right, I mean instantly the only people who drank the only people who would supply but the survivalists know we're off the grid. The biggies are all assholes with those kinds of, Bible is real problem yeah those those kinds of peppers, but other people are off the grid, not doing my power clay who's here is buying ten extra acres that I have I'm not doing anything within his planning to, in fact, do exactly that the go off the grid and build a permit make a self sustaining Celsius.

That's a great way to do it to have like a farm, and if you, if you can afford the land and have solar power and all that jazz and well water, few people are doing that great way to do it. If it's possible, there are some people, but the world is overpopulated to the extent that it is it's not going to get to an awful lot of people very quickly. It's difficult to do. Yeah. These are the interior of those extraordinary neurology they called so I did. He is incredible exactly and that's in ITALY, right, island off the coast of ITALY,. Wow, what do they date? These two will be. He dated the two thousand six hundred or so two thousand six hundred BC and shock, and I question that, but we don't have, we don't have any data that that tells us uh

guys. This is the stone circle in the Egypt and Nabta Playa, as it's called that it looks completely fragmented and rough. But in fact, even this, the academics, the Archeo astronomers knowledge is architect, is astronomically oriented and there's a physicist an archaeologist on their name, Tom Brophy, who studied it much more carefully and has found much more sophisticated alignments than just salt. This is an equinox again, that's a common thread in ancient architecture is really fascinating. Is the alignment with celestial bodies, lions big on that always well what they're doing back the procession

for whatever reason that we don't understand, but with the evidence is there there and festivals in all sorts of things like that are attuned take place at these at these critical these critical, let's column, enerji points and what they're doing and it's quite clear that they're doing it is that there orchestrating their entire civilization there tuning their entire civilization to the movements of the Heavens. This is quite clear: and this you can kind of demonstrate what they're achieving by that. We don't know, but it's very important to them. What do we got here? More more of the same. That's the Devils, Dick I well close yeah, that's that's not apply, and that just

drawing of multiply- and this is this gets into complications of the cosmology of it. This is the dog, and this is the work of my good friend, layered Scranton, who you may know of. I think yes, yes, the Dogan try this to try to think that there for the come from the constellation serious well or who think they got their knowledge yes, yeah through it through them directly from serious. I don't think they think they come from Syria, okay, I'm not sure, but anyway Lehrer the work started out. Does this is sort of amateur thing?

Looking for a this is looking into the cosmology of the dog and then at a certain point. He decides to see how that match. Current cut technology he's a techie geyser of an expert in computer languages, and things like that. So he's he's he's very good at that this kind of work, and he finds that and in the first book of, has called science of the dog and that this building has knowledge of this. You know read that some simple tribe in West in Western Africa, Molly Molly, I think it is- has in their cosmology, which is they know about they can transmit. It is in fact consistent with the latest wrinkles and string theory and torsion Darian High Energy

Physics and all that sort of stuff, and then that led him to the study of other civilizations and is now is six of seven books into it and really what he's doing has its not just tell it's unrecognized, except by a handful of people. You know they're, not, but sellers and the written very well, it's very, very simple and easy to find easy to follow. Please he's showing that this, this complex cosmology is understood and expressed.

I every society virtually every society that he's looked into, including the Chinese. It was a relatively recent book and he's ending up, but with a master picture puzzle of all of these ancient civilizations. In the it's, no dating them exactly, but it's become quite clear through this body of work that the ancients had this same effectively the same cosmology in the same understanding of it, and we think that this is a hand me down from the ancient civilization that we're busy trying to to validate and the some eating. The survivors of this kernel map this survivors of the people that existed before the coronal mass that achieve some sort of a high level of sophistication and then these people, with whatever knowledge was leftover, whatever they had managed to save something up,

that sword or day with the same people who are everywhere and had it to begin with what you're, seeing up here, figure Toi point for the quantum fries frenzy can cause a string anti string pair to a wrapped in the nightly, yielding a more complicated interaction. What is that? Well, that's from again that's from the physics lab actually they're talking I'm not sure this is like some sort of geometry thing or the physics thing and they're. Looking at this Dogan art is that what this is? no, but it it art. Has that figure in it keep going down down. I think, let's see go somewhere, then the dog and have that there. Where is Jamie? Ok, no nope! I think it's the one right after it very close, let's say anyway,

You know it's. You have to read Layers book, yeah science of the Dogan, it's really all there and then it's the same in all of the civilization all over the place and, as I said earlier, I don't I dislike using the old testament, the Bible for scholarship cause. It's am, I, infield, don't know you can select from it. I in you have the inquisitors found a way to justify the inquisition from the Bible and you can justify just about anything with it, much craziness and there's so much so much craziness going on in there. But one thing that did strike me when the correspondence is our correspondence is one one of the intriguing bits of the the of I forget where it is tower of Babel if it's exodus or no camp the exodus Genesis, maybe anyway, one of the early books of the Bible where they talk about the Tower of Babel.

And one of the lines that are suggestive is this. Before or before the tower was built. All of all of humanity spoke in one tongue. Exactly the Eskimos smoke the same as the Polynesians. What is this you know in the Polynesian spoke chinese. No, it doesn't seem that doesn't In logical I mean the linguists don't find that sort of thing, but the common language that they spoke was the cosmology and Laird finds the same is Myologie. Wherever he looks, that's interesting, let's not anything that you can base, you can't be sure of it, but sudden, say that that's strange line does have some I think, it's very hard for us to put into perspective what it would be like if there was some sort of a high level of sophistication involved in the society back then, and then the experience

whatever it was when there's meteor shower supervolcanoes asteroid asteroid, yeah, whatever it is, and then try need to retain a certain amount of it and pass it on to your children, how things get so convoluted and distorted, and there would be very little left. Yes, yeah, I mean like that. It's uh, but the people would be the same cation in terms of the same kind of mines, a same sized brains, the same capability they'll just have to re, learn everything all over again. Well, let's this! This is a good, I think, there's a good case that can be made for that, because stuff gets after after this kind of contrast of a things really do go into a tailspin and then around three thousand BC. Four thousand BC, all of a sudden, all over the place very sophisticated

realizations arise, but based upon this, this ancient knowledge either the mythology is all there to begin with, but suddenly there cimmerian around the same time, this Egypt, there's, there's China for sure there's, India and all of these. All of these seem to arrive a very high level of understanding around that four thousand, or so it date, especially Samara when they go over. Some of the ancient those uh clay tablets when they see the depictions of the solar system, that's where it gets really confusing. It's like how the hell did. They know this. How do they know that there was a son in the center and then all these planets were in the correct? sighs I mean they had Jupiter and the correct size in the correct position Mars in the correct position was very, very strange stuff. I didn't know

Have you ever seen, those beautiful if you ever followed Zachariah Sitchin stuff with he's, got some really wacky shit. Well, it is wacky fun to read if you're hot, but it's the Annunaki, and that those from Heaven to earth came and created people out of monkeys and alien dna, and he is a galactic darwinian Well, he was now in Maui Worm food and I called his call his I call his father was sitting in these such as well I read the useful for twelve planning planet, think that was all the twelve planet horrible yeah. But when you know, when you don't know anything, it's awesome pull an image Jamie of the just to show it to John one of the solar system depiction in the clay tablets. 'cause, it's really fascinating stuff, I mean clearly shows a son with what we

our standard sort of image of a somewhere. It's a circle and the radiating sort of lines outside of it, and then it has all these planets circling around yeah there. It is right there look at that! Oh the sun is a star. No that's just it's not a drawing! It's just outlined, that's the actual original clay tablet, but they drew on it as an outline. It is not amazing could find the actual tablet Jamie to kill you and you can zoom in on it. So you could see it better, but really really incredible stuff when you consider the fact that they made this somewhere around five thousand BC, four thousand bc- I don't know- I think that one right- I don't know with that early, but it's somewhere somewhere in that neighborhood seating, find a better, a better full version of it. There are young dreamer, but incredible

stuff and weird stuff. Yeah I mean there are depictions of people with tales sitting on a lapse of giants and that that tends to decode, symbolically, usually those hot, the hybrid creature, something like that, those those those most of those things, I think, should not be taken really right and he would talk about myths yeah this week. Things change a plan, the one thing becomes another and when those are shown pictorially it it doesn't mean that it's made. I can literally there's the original, so you could see it there and background pretty interesting stuff via, but where, in the background, where see right there, yeah and but the stars, that's the original

that you have the sun and in the moon, the stars. Actually that's a motif that you see an Egypt, often really where you have, where you have a star with the solar disk and in in the middle of it, and often that just stars at five point still hurts and then with with the solar disc in it and what they talking about. I think the age of fella just talked about a stellar called in a solar called and that the soon as you call anything that called it becomes it becomes. You can talk about it because it's somebody else's religion there for us station. But what what what it's talking about- and probably this to is, is two levels. In other words, it's the it's, the so sky, our solar system and the star, and it is there's a diet. Coke. The sky is the the constant constellation of the sky. So it's two two levels of the hierarchy simultaneously,

but it just amazing that you're talking about such a long long time ago, and they had all the little planets there, the book, all the old they have been have Uranus, and they don't have your and we'll see what they have there, pull it back up again, Jamie I'm finding a couple of different versions, so yeah yeah. So there's more than one version of it. Yeah one only had seven plants. I have another one as nine Baden's interesting if they have the only a right with that was a different one where that shows a star, and then it has a bunch of plants off to the side. Who knows what that means? Go full that you on that one jerry hello at that one. It's just so cool to look at something that someone made you know whatever five thousand and six thousand years ago and see their their attempt. Go back to that. Please there Their attempt at trying to show and convey what they knew about the world or what their thoughts were about the world like.

What are we seeing here? I will see that looks like that more that one is not well. That is a common theme and and that's because the mini Egypt to the Pharaoh, the Pharaoh sliding in the heads the of his enemies. It's the conquest of the forces of light over the forces of darkness, and this one The seven might not be there there. It is have that you have that as a set off, often in Egypt or or very similar, but the other one, the star and the seven. The seven planet could be planets. But it's a different. Looking start to its many one, two yeah, it's a different one, the other one, seven six it might be. It might be. That might be a a new. Number symbolism thing with the thing in and the numbers cuz. I do seven, not as circles like that, but as as as dot

it's you know it it has. It has a numerical validity rather than necessarily than an astronomical one, that one, the other one go back. The other one jam. Yeah now that that one, that one is really interesting, yeah, oh the the relative sizes, the relative sizes, that's pretty mind, boggling yeah and again, the two, the two on the on the outer edge, is really those two yeah. That's that's interesting, yeah, very nuts and thing. Indeed, I'd like to see that explained any other way than then they knew something. The answer is on that I mean or that's an amazing lucky gas. No, that's not guess not no stuff unraveling. Ancient civilization is like together a puzzle when you only have five six pieces yeah well where this is the

When we started out there were few pieces and then now a lot of pieces have been added to the puzzle. I, like the new, clear glass, the corona mass ejection stuff, go Beckley, a is a big chunk of young Pedang in Indonesia is another one. I don't have any photos of. That chalk has been to that in this. Absolutely convinced that it's very very a that it's that human made and- and it's very, very old know this things are showing up all over the place. So go back to the slides, and it's just it's such a emerging thing as far as like people talking about it to the slides, this is something that's being discussed over and over again now it's much more mainstream, and now that Graham Hancock has got a lot of traction on his work and his book magicians of the gods and ran

Carlson who's. An expert on asteroidal impacts is sort of impacted. His work as well and really sort of made it more interesting because he's provided a context with some historical Blake actual scientific evidence of impacts, no yeah yeah along with it. So what are we looking at here? That's that's called Beckley tempeh again and but I'm not yeah sorry not got back. Please happy! That's nabta Playa, but that's one of shocks when of shark slides, I think and I'm not sure what is what is driving the sometimes servers across in the background, that's Brophy's, I think that's Brophy's, slides away, he's looking for much more sophisticated in nation in the in in not the Playa and even if

Even if it's more far out speculations are just speculation. I think they could be just the basic. The basic premise is already of great significance that that is cause. This is dated to five six thousand BC. That makes it the oldest datable stone circle now, other things I was going to bring up with you forgot. We were talking earlier about this idea of the procession of the Equinoxes, the wobble of the earth being caused, perhaps by a dwarf star that we don't know exactly where it is. That was the theories about whatever it is outside of the Kuiper belt that there's this ob checked out there. Now that they're ninety percent plus sure exists and calling a no planet acts or whatever it is that they think that it's at least

four times larger than the earth and its some somewhere outside of the Khyber belt, which is now what they believe PLUTO's a part of right PLUTO when it when PLUTO is no longer a planet, it got listed as an asteroid. Plural PLUTO downgraded got the shaft, but they think something out there and one of the one of the. That I read was that a could be some sort of a dwarf star that is uh. It exists so far out that we can't see it hello world around the well. This is, I mean, Walter send it no runs, who started Z pack. Could I don't know interview knows about that I'll, be seeing him in a few days and interesting stuff going on it's a back. It's a strange, didn't know about it. We don't know about a planet that they they're. Pretty sure of right, do you know about that? I think which well, let's see if you can find that, like they think that somewhere outside of PLUTO, that there

is a large body, they don't know what it is. I don't know exactly how big it is, but I think it's far larger than the earth four times larger than the earth and that it exists in its. Its gravitational effect is having a response here. It is new dwarf planet discovered you are beyond PLUTO's or no Jamie. That's not at all. Thank that's a different. That's a dwarf planet. The is something that's much larger. This is a guide listing is larger than earth. Lou just look up planet four times larger than ours believed to be outside of the solar system. They think it's a part of the solar system, but it's on this gigantic or like way way way out there. So, Most of them are binary STAR systems right most of what I think so yeah Chuck would know that he he knows is astronomy a lot better than I, but it's interesting if there is some sort of a star or a dead star out there way out there yeah and it's affecting us, it's call

using earth to wobble, maybe yeah I mean this astronomers say a nap, no, no, no, not not to the tunes that it looks bad Senate Neptune's could be yeah. Ok, that's right! I didn't see that one. The claim is the strongest. Yet, in the centuries, long search for planet x beyond Neptune request Quest, has been plagued by far fetched claim and even outright quackery, but the new uh, and comes from a pair of respected planetary scientists. I don't want to. I got the language look at the line. It's quackery. If they don't agree and if it's not one of their own and it's one of their own, it's respected until some he comes along and shows that they're wrong right, but they're languages tempered by guys like Zacharias Hitchin. Isn't it well that yeah he brings it on himself? That's right right, but some of their stuff is is, is equal. That's what I call

in the academics, because every week something coming along this proving stuff that they've been in sting thing has been right for the last ten or fifteen or twenty years look thing, but they're never quacks. They think it orbits the sun every fifteen thousand years right! Wow! That's awesome!. I mean it's just it's so interesting. We know so much, but so little at the same time you know I think, was Dennis yeah Dennis Mckenna. Had this great saying that, when the bonfire of bonfire of understanding grows, it illuminates the surface area of ignorance, well, good line that you realize, like a little the brighter the light. Wow, there's so much you don't know, and then all you have to distinguish between now Jim understanding example with a crack at them. They

they have a lot of facts that that its disposal that they do not understand at all and that's why my own work schwaller's on work could need to be done without all of that careful, factual work by Egyptologists and what I do or what we do, women. Those of us who are looking into this we take that factual, real in Shuala rise it, and that gives us a so degree of understanding. Knows there don't have all those jerks. Let's go back to the slides. What else you got here that want to show us? I don't know it's a lot, but some stuff I want to skip ahead, keep going. I want to skip stuff now, cuz, I'm getting I'm running out of words, which is hard to do these. That's one of those very cardstone stone with this, live Lippen, the walls of the laws are about as thick as the rim of the lid,

and this is all made out of one one piece of a very hard stone, cold green shift and we think actually shocking myself and is an idea for another friend of mine, good, very good rider named Paul. William Roberts was his suggestion that hey maybe these stone thinks are quite a few of them eight from the earlier period and were kept as sacred objects. All of those years in the course if they were kept in guarded and not broken in a hammer, breaks it but were kept in tight in one piece you know, x, number of thousand years. They wouldn't be weathered or anything they'd run be fine as long as they were protected. Now Is there any speculation whatsoever as to the method that they used to create something like what is it that some stupid ones? Let's see if stupid ones, health that they're, showing with with bow drills that you know that I, like your lighter and I are with sticks like this? Well, it's a kind.

The drill that put in there with balls of some kind of you know hard stone. And once you get the drill thing down, you can kind of work your way around and grab We gradually gradually hollow out inside. This seems in sane to me in that it would take, I mean one of those guys should devote his life to taking a block of green chest and trying that met didn't see how far he gets in ten or fifteen years it's very hard to imagine that they could do that with a method. Like that because otherwise no one knows but isn't that like sort of doesn't balance out with the insanity of building a pyramid. In the first place I mean, building a pyramid is just incredible undertaking. Then they say that like, if you cut it phase ten stones a day, would take you six hundred and sixty four years. It is my blog link yeah, but but in fact alone it's it's quite clear that they did it. It's

it's not at all clear that they did it in the allotted twenty five years or something is sort WHI say that I mean again to see to work to an academic. The the only possible explanation is that they were too homes, even though there's no evidence whatsoever that they were terms, but if you say they were terms. They don't need. What do you think they were? I don't know or accept I'm pretty sure is that they weren't tomb and they weren't tombs. Only my general sense of it is that, since everything in Egypt has as its focus the quest for him, mortality in some way shape or form they enhance that quest, they make it possible to do things that you wouldn't otherwise do. I can tell you you get enough people together and come on a trip or come on your own when we who are two hour meditation in the pyramid, you come now there, knowing that you would not been just in a quiet bathroom this place

surges with power, and you got a group of people in there, all of whom are especially if they're, some of the practice of meditation. It's it's really it's something, and I mean you come out of there. Knowing do you have experience something that you've not experienced before so how they were used in to what end I don't know. I mean this is a quite common theory that there were sites of high initiation weather sites of high initiation. When you understand what initiation initiation that that's, that's, not the dumb theory, it is a done theory. If you don't think, there's such a thing as initiation and if you think that illumination is dependent upon electricity well, you could you not be able to to think Egyptian, but that if, if you've been to the park to the places and have experience for yourself, the power of these places then export

explanations of that sort, even though they don't count, as I mean this by for sure, but when you don't have any evidence for them being tombs, that's pretty speculative to too and building them missed and beyond belief. Lighting them up is only slightly less incredible yeah. It's me. The whole thing now do you have any theories at all is how they could build some sort of a stone. I don't like this. No, no I've done pretty incredible stuff. But let's go 'cause. We got a lot of stuff and I don't wanna take ok that us in like criminal partner, Boris Swinging, the digital sledgehammer, looking for underground caverns. So what it is that you had that thing and it makes a sound seismograph sound to goes into the earth interesting. The next slide is what we found and there it is see a that's that's the that's that is a cavern or a chamber or of some sort is avoid. Underneath the bed and that's the so called Hall

records, people think that that's EDGAR Cayce is talking about. We are iffy other than that is. The graph does not know how to channel. So it just says: what's there, so it knows, there's avoid it knows, there's a void, and at the very back it's a little bit. It's the to the cc at the very end, by the ramp that is so a chamber- and that's absolutely it's known that it's there and this gives you the same profile, seismological but there's no nothing graphic these things yeah the back one there's a way: it's a very rough cut chamber and there's a just behind and one of those stones, could you pull it away and you get in and it's a room at rough, very rough, but about the size of the room that were in here the studio and that's a room. So that's a room. Then it stands to reason that Seismographical re in any way that a is also a

cabin or a crowd or construction or something. So what we're looking at with a when you see all those circles around it and the they were the rough shape of it. That's the shape that they believe the room is so would be similar to the one that at the romp, where would be like kind of a resort? Well, the well, the the size bigger every those are, the I forget topple lines or something to give you the steps that thing do that, and but it's not like a square. Ninety degree angle, it's roughly rectangular, says Tomtom to Becky, who is our GEO Geo businesses? It was doing that. So, what's the hold up as far as examining that well who won. They don't want to be wrong. Two that it's very difficult to do. It's under about five hundred about fifteen feet of bedrock that haven't links is a probably the the most. Let's say that the the archaeological hot spot of the

universe, I mean nothing, is more open to it, know eight months and all the rest of it the sinks. Secondly, the water level has risen so that that whole chamber is probably filled with water now, so anything that isn't stone would have been a blue rated long ago, my eyes, and he got down on your phone, what scrolls well, maybe or or stone something or in Iraq, but in theory you could put the little fiber optic something down there and study it, but they don't want to be wrong about this and anything invasive. The sinks is really in disastrous, can do, and so any little vibration or something like that could you know, could could conceivably damn. I don't worry about these things. The geology is much more important as far as I'm concerned, and

I guess is that when we finally break open the portcullis and capture all of the you know all of the capture, all of the the the the clock at them, except that it protects at the moment. Which, I don't know, maybe ward aboard them, but anyway we we can't we capture all of the crack at them x and get them the hell out of there at that point when it gets when it is when it is accepted, and these things do happen. This is this idea whose time has come when it has come things change, and at that point maybe then the funding shows up and the and the detail. The nation comes up to actually look into that void or chamber and see if it is indeed avoid or chamber, and if there's something in there

is it possible that there's some other things in Egypt that have been discovered, Download, not even know where they are a lot of them could have. But what do you call it Landsat infrared, something in when you can photograph underground, they have yeah. They there are hundreds of sites that they know where their graves and the you know soon. As and stuff like that, but now most of them, I don't think the. I don't think that kind of photography I put there's a name for it. I don't think that kind of photography goes deep enough from for us to establish the the lost civilization it will be under the sand level. It'll be the bottom of the sand level and so far at any rate, it doesn't get down that deeply, but they have lots of places to excavate. If I had the money, let's keep going here, keep going. Okay, well, this is now this is shocks book and he'll be at CPAC. This is a recent book. That's his last book, yeah, that's a reason

book the role of solar outbursts in our past and future, for pat and civilizations, the title yeah very, very interesting, very interesting thesis and backed up by a lot You know a lot of solid. A lot of solid scholarship in shock will be at the CPAC this particular cp. So he thinks it was a solar outburst more than they think it was an asteroidal impact. He think so then not necessarily antithetical the dates, the dates, in other words, it could have been either more. I'm in shock links shark thinks that it's an impact in the earlier the catastrophe that brings on the younger dryas that the the intensification of the ice age and he thinks that it's the solar outburst that that puts an end to the the entire civilization and melt all the ice. Wow,

northern lights. What else we got loud keep going just let's go whisk by here, because this is Anthony Perrott. Who is a physicist at the it's his things in here. These are these figures that show up in the you know in the electron, through the electron MIKE the scope and that are mirrored by those strange dancing, multi headed Multi armed figures at the petroglyphs at the top, usually at the upper registers of those of the petroglyph facade which also mirrors that the Rongo Rongo script Rafa Shock is fascinated by the so far untrue. Inflatable Rongo Rongo script was from Easter Island, which shows as letters presumably those kinds of weird humanoid figures,

one of the great mysteries of linguists yeah, her current giggling, the end of it as it. Yes, bottom of the whole thing. A my whole show yeah, really yeah, there's a whole bunch of other stuff that I want it done not well some stuff. I didn't. I wanted to whisk route, but what was up there? Maybe I'll send it to you. Is the map of them focused of greater and lesser dumb. Fuck Istan with his is very useful and why five cow right and then the graphic of the flight cowboys durably graphic. My step son found somewhere on line, but it really shows the front of the cowboys in action, which is said you pick up the pick up the daily newspaper or turn on the internet, and you see the cowboys at work. You've been at this for a long time now, yeah play for many years, yeah late 60s I keeping it from when I was born

yeah. I was born in sixty seven. It's around that uh. Around the time. I I came across swallowed a little bit yes around, and do you feel now, I think people are slowly but surely starting to come around at these concepts of these ancient civilizations, being not the prim if people that we've been told, but maybe perhaps really complex, oh yeah? Well, a lot of the trouble is that the pig sure is muddied. I mean academic service, almost Kwaka demics. There is still which is ever in there in their delusion, but the trouble is but the whole scenario is is muddied and it's almost unavoidable by ancient aliens and Zachariah Sitchin and a whole bunch of nut cases that think that aliens built the pyramids and all of that sort of stuff. So yes, more people

interested, but how many the percentage of those that are actually capable of. Of sifting the evidence and in electorally, honest enough to accept what stands up to scrutiny and not numerically there, there are lots more of them than they were, but statistically there are very, very small percentage of very, very small percentage of the populace, actually care or understand it, but it only makes a certain small percentage. Have you ever tried to get your magical, Egypt series on Netflix? Now not the not on Netflix, but they probably wouldn't take it at the because of that they have to. They have to make a they have to cut a really lousy deal with them and be the the numbers, probably wouldn't justify it. I don't know, but that they did love

documentaries, and why would you think that they would want to cut a lousy deal? they do. I mean they. They they they they really they really don't. Give you much I mean the mystery of the swings is on there, but it's the guy hi, who that my who, who did they, who does the reproduction of it, that negotiated with him and chance the down inside of chances that he's done he's a bit. Paranoid about letting stuff out of his control. So I've told him you know scripting on Netflix, or I mean People have stolen it, and it's on Youtube in a very you know in a very you said that the reproduction is, we really don't see it unless you actually own the d, VD right and but its chances baby as far as as as pitching it and he doesn't end

not so he hasn't even brought it up to Netflix. I don't know if he has or not, it seems like it would be right up their alley. You would think that I've given up that have arguing the case. If he doesn't know it says it says, his baby is yeah, but it's not I mean it is, and it's not, but it's a big part of your work. I mean. I just think that that would be a great venue for it. I think it would be too, but you write him and tell him that I have a netflix he's been he's been trying to get on your show for awhile as well. In the mailing you a couple times. I don't know what email the wrong address elements and nobody responded. So we can get this up anyway. I never got an email from the do. Well I'll talk about that after the show which I figure that out, but I got a comedy special coming on Netflix in October and I would be happy to talk to them and I say hey in this something I should look at you know I mean I don't have any idea, what kind of deals they cut in terms of documentaries. But what I do know is that what you did is amazing and then I I think that it would it would. It would be great,

for everybody to have that have more at as I just the just the sheer depth of the information when you you go over like the Temple in Man and all the different, the the the just the the different and table structures that exist in Egypt, that most people don't even discuss, so they they don't know about, and they don't want to discuss it with chances. I mean that's, you know the way to really watch it. Good people have told me this is neat too I'm and I'm not I'm not much into, even though by casually look at once in awhile, but I'm not much blood kids, my voice, so as it is. I don't even consider it vicious, but watching that a couple of tugs watch magically do with a couple of talks as it slows things down. Editing on that is breathtaking and is a hypnotic quality to it. It's really, I mean it's an extr ordinary achievement in shock, better done sign shocker in chance that it

on a zero budget. You know and doing all of the photography I mean everything sing little handed are nothing it's really the heroic production and and you know when we made nothing out of it. Now, let's, let's try to get on Netflix. I really what I'm gonna try to make an attempt. So when you attend yeah, I will I'll try to make an attempt. I'm gonna, bring it to them and have a conversation with them. Yeah yeah. Thank you. Thank you have given copy they might not even know you know I mean I got to guarantee they don't literally, don't know it's. I really think it's one of the great works either though I think it's in May in its sole in depth. It's so in depth, and only way you could do was to self produce it yeah, yeah, you couldn't get anyone to do that. Not only would go. You're gonna know eight dvds online up. What do you and your mind always gonna watch all that is it. I was like three or four times lots of people do I'm in pain, and you have a magical Egypt too right. Well, we were working on that we don't have the funding and actually this is chances baby. Now 'cause, I'm.

Anytime, he wants me, I'm there for him, but I'm not in any position to to really help with it, because I'm so swamped with my own stuff right. It will be covered in magical, Egypt. I don't know, I don't know, we've got the first. One cent be done, but I I don't know what he's got in mind then he's Australia, so I don't get to see him at all, and even Skype is, is not good for in depth evening long conversation. No, it's not. I don't know, but I'll bet, if you showed it to Netflix and they expressed an interest, he'd be well. I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna, I'm gonna bring them a copy. We're gonna see what we can do. That's why I think it's it's one of those things. I really believe that people should say well, and I think that if you can get on that flex and I I could tweeted let the world know and try to get people spread. The word I think once people see it is just start like that make of a murder thing. You know that that car all that traction narrowly because it was on Netflix and word of mouth mostly. I really think that that that man, collegiate does yellows thing. I know well

to do actually- and I hope my pal clay and some and people are going to help me with this I'd like to get some of my other when I'm wearing my other hat, my my like my writers, my bohemian Barra, instead of my age, it's illogical, logical, helmet on that, because I've got. It a whole lifetimes worth of work, much of which has been produced, but none of it really commercially successful and it just sitting there waiting to get done and Netflix would be the perfect venue you, If I had something to show him, though they do production, I mean they they're producers now yeah, it's it's an interesting time minutes one. The best things about the internet is that something like that can kind of see. Yeah like and become a bigger net worth in any of the networks on television, and that's that's the upside. Well, the networks are about to die and good riddance. Well, it's a silly idea, but it was good back when there was no other ideas and you had to sit through

those commercials and wait for the next segment, and then you watch ten minutes and the commercials popped on again. You rolled your eyes and waited for the commercials again and that all that stuff, nonsense. Now you want commercial now you like what is this silly thing? Well, it internet full of commercials, so it is, it is but style. The they, usually at the beginning of a video that come in the middle, sometimes things they there, but anyway, anyway magically is awesome. You're awesome. I appreciate you coming glad. Billions to meet in the Taylor says it's a big difference. Even though Skype is the next best thing. Yeah two three dimensional meeting it three dimensional mating Elena, is known to be here and thanks for inviting me thank you and thank you for all of your work, because I think you've done a great service to the world to sort of shine light on this amazing civilization. Thank what's a project

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