Anthony Bourdain, Brian Redban – Date Recorded – 09/11/2011
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dude, who eats in different places. I would have told you to go fuck yourself, so to say, that's the most retarded show I've ever heard in my life. You told me ten years ago that I'd be on television. I want to send the same thing: yeah, that's one of the cool things about you menu, I wouldn't say you're reluctant, but we're almost like an accidental celebrity you just got your book kitchen confidential, just fucking took off and then all of a sudden you're, this famous guy, like you, want to show you. It was like an overnight thing for sure one minute, I'm standing next to the deep fryer and the next I'm selling books, and you know what on tv. I mean literally, I think it's forty four years that's fucking. Why, when I was not looking at anything, I had no higher ambition than it keep cooking. Where I was cooking really- and maybe hopefully I wanted. Some kind of mine I wanted to earn my advance back on the book that was my highest hope. It all kind of turned out real good.
That's fucking, nuts, what a crazy story! It's very interesting because it's very rare that someone gets to live a full and intense anonymous life, and then All the sudden be thrust in the public consciousness, but, actually is interesting. You know happened late at night. I guess I've been in the restaurant business for a long time. I think. I might you know the level of bullshit that I can sort of live within my life on a day to day basis. Is pretty minimal now, so I was just you know. I I a guard came at the television everything else always with the added to that. Hey, I could be packed, takes a deep fryer tomorrow, so I'm just not taking it that seriously. It's amazing, though I mean it's it's reality. Television in your case actually worked. It's like there's people that become famous in you go what the fuck is going on. I don't even
Kim Kardashian's voice sounds like a literally, don't know what it sounds like. I don't think I've ever heard talk once, but I just you know everywhere and no she is, but she it's become like she's, become a show, she's become a thing and item on a program, the Kim Kardashian program, but in your case it actually worked. Like they actually yeah dude it in a lot of ways, though I think there's some similarities. Unfortunately, I mean both both shows. Mine and the Kardashians are really you know my shows about me and and having fun and and taking advantage of the situation, and in that way I probably have if you come as you yeah, you say that and it, but you sort of it's almost a self deprecating thing like you, discounting all the different things in the way you're pointing out all these do. Some things in these places you visit 'cause. That's what makes this show unique. It's not just that! You are in these exam like places eating these crazy fish in Brazil. It's
you know you somehow or another. They let us show on the air where they they didn't fuck with it and they let the one voice come through it. I've been really really lucky. It's it's. We've been a freakish anomaly, first on food network for two years and for going on eight years now and uh no reservations on travel. It's been an amazing run, because at every point both networks, Whatever I've been with them they've, let me do whatever I want they've. Let us make the show the way we want to make it do. The fucked up things all the time I mean it's just episodes are like completely self indulgent and fun to make and clearly we're having more fun making them than than uh This is MIKE had watching them, but what shows like which- which I would really did a whole- show what we want to show the proudest of is the Roman to so it would just sit around all the shooters, the king of camera, people,
that was a great episode count. Here's how it all started the camera, people and system producers me hanging around in some terribly tell lounge, probably in Singapore Coop. Poor or someplace like that? We're getting really fucked up on cocktails, and you know just talking shit the way people do and I think one of the camera guy said man. We are so fucking good. We are so good at what we do that I'll bet. We could make food porn in black and white and we all the to each other, and you know yeah dude. Let's just do it well, they let us make that show and we got away with it and I'm really. I think we did a really well, it's really pretty show. But but if you generally speak, I don't know of many other people on television lucky enough to be able to go to their their network. Is that do an entire hour of food related television in black and white, and it'll be. It's will be to italian directors that none of our audience a few of our audience of seen when they'll be subtitles
so we're having fun, and I think, if anything makes the show special, it's that um. The first and foremost about me and the crew enjoying what we're doing both creatively and just having a good time, and and that's really all we It comes through. That's why it's so fun to watch it's it's so obvious that you guys are having a good time would be. We fail a lot. I mean there. There shows where I'm really miserable and all this terrable humiliating stuff happens to me. I don't set out to do that For you know, viewer, entertainment. That's generally me having a bad or you know sexually humiliating time, like the one time when you were in Brazil and you had a horrible back pain, when you look into the jungle, yeah yeah audiences love, seeing me injure, Basically, that's comedy gold, for some of the shows that in most fucked up and have just been failures in every everything went wrong from from beginning to end, I had a miserable time. It was just one: a long week of bribery.
Extortion and bullshit Sometimes you know after you go can your can be added, to put it all together that that ends up being a really funny show? We did Romania show that made me like. No, I'm public enemy number one in Romania, it was, it was a national scandal of, but very funny show. Why was it a national scandal? uh presented Romania in a comical like that. They did not appreciate You know because we had a really terrible time there. You know everybody was try to shoot stuff. Naturally, you know we don't we don't like things to be set up for us One of the first rules of the show is wherever we go, we go. We don't see native dancers and indigenous garb. You know some dog and pony show we want. We want to sort of run and gun. We were foiled in every possible way. In Romania, I mean the government into two people just sort of stepped in, and we were supposed to shoot with humble butcher and his family. Somebody arrived at the
butchers house beforehand said your house is not pretty enough for american television we're moving into a more attractive looking farm and by the way you know your kids are going to dress up in indigenous dance and pretend there happy. So this whole eerie, creepy theatro. You know from beginning to end, you know That's going to be. The biggest trip is that you're going places there they're fucking dangerous man like you, would do Kurdistan stand, you go. You go to the jungles of Brazil, Brazil. I you go deep man, that's that's going to be a weird fucking way to live. Like having late in life childhood of getting to go to all the places that I dream. About and read about. You know. You know I love grew up reading books about pirates and explorers, and so of course, given the opportunity, that's pretty much. What I'm doing on the show. The change of life at forty four years of age. How much did you travel before then almost nothing I've been to France a couple of summers as a kid:
with the Caribbean that was about it. I mean I If I was sure of anything at age. Forty four stand in the kitchen: it was that I'd, never see. You know Saigon, or Hong Kong. Much less. You know, I probably had no expectation. I'd ever see Rome, so I'm just I'm just kind of living that out and as long as me and the crew as long as we're having as much fun as we are at least finding ways to make like more and more fucked up television, because we can do that is the crew. Is there any similarities with the crew as being like actual kitchen, like the gang of a case of bad? I I don't like a law of the bandits tour together for a really long time, and and sometimes you we, we rotate our personnel but there's a core group, and you know maybe the bass player go away for a while, but he'll be back and whoever fills in for him with somebody else that we've worked with for years around the world. So you know well each other and and everybody's.
Really good at what they do and you know that's fun, traveling with camera guys who were really good at their job. That's a really that's a satisfying thing gets. It gives very intimate traveling on the road get a. What is it? What was the number of people who travel with switch to camera people, a producer who also carries a camera and been in the system? So that's a like form of people. These foods are five and we pick up like local drivers and stuff on the ground work. For now. How do you coordinate with like a place like Brazil with and, and you know, do you have to get a translator? I usually there's this entire profession of of people. Very. The strange mix of other profession come together and basically the called fixers. You know you want to shoot. You make a movie in Moscow. You need a fix or somebody who knows who do what permits you need arrange them. You know hires drivers to the bride. That sort of thing there's one of those everywhere.
Everywhere on earth, there's somebody who is available to fix for you and if not we reach out to like bloggers and due food bloggers and in whatever, because if somebody's blocking about food Whatever city you're talking about in the world chefs people who you, you know, the mafia mafia is pretty extensive. If you, if you know some place in Southeast Asia, chances. Are you know a chef in New York who knows somebody out there? So there's that you already friends, when you arrive, that's gotta be nice. That's got to be nice with God. That's gotta be a crazy way to live man. How often are your own planes I I'm traveling about two hundred and forty days a year yeah, you know well, I'm either someplace else or in transit.
Seven at the frightening scary, travel airplane ride yet like with lightning storm, and I like turbulence. I know that you like fucked up, but I like turbulent, take your belt off and choke yourself. While it's happening This'Ll point in my life, it breaks up the tedium. You know really. You know like laying there, especially after a couple of going to class the whiskey or something you know you hit turbulence and you see a real slick habit, freaking out, because it's it's more entertaining than the in flight movie on it does break up the. Soul, sucking Ma Ny of of of too long and it in a in a plan, and it's the best Iphone video too. You should always have your Iphone video ready to go for things like that when the people freak out on the plane ride, I've been doing it lately. I I never thought of it before they recently. Every time I something crazy happening on planes rise watching it. I've been filming it
and and anything good, and not really it's really hard to Jesus soon, so that was the Superman any post, this stuff? No, no! No! I just collected on the whatever you do it. It really make a terrified claims. Yeah make a ten best, terrified point, because I don't think we should put that energy out there fellowship hall, replace their faces with cats. There you go there, but it looks like cats are mad, if you're, not a person of interest to blood for a spin out- and I always will be- I always film on the plane, because it whenever I go on the road with Joe I I kind of do the same thing. That kind of what you can do. You have a camera crew are a gang by pretty much do it for Joe, and I got so when we're on the road somewhere like Houston or some like that, I'm always having cameras, I'm always filming from even when he doesn't know I'm filming like in the back of a car or in the back of a plane or or when we're comedy club, but it's weird collecting footage is now become addicted. To collecting crazy footage, like I feel like I can't just go and have a good time and more like I got to film this. I gotta feeling this. I think I have some kind of condition and you get rid of.
What's the condition of the internet, you know the endless resource of entertainment that is the internet. I mean I, I a real problem. I can't even go to sleep at night. I sit in front of the box just clicking buttons. I just can't clicking, which is like one more documentary one more article, one more wanna, fucking, hyper Nova is going to kill everything holy shit, no one after the other. It's like it. What were the sounds? Have you seen as you two videos of these weird sounds and different cities are wrongs from you are sure if it's on the news on the major news sites on major news sites really yeah, I I'll find it. You I'll, try to see you later. Okay, The earth is groaning, what is the sky this place? You've been do so far. Oh wow, I don't know scary, I don't mean in any country where there's is really no infrastructure or no trustworthy infrastructure. I mean do you worry ever that you know you become like a target. There have been times, we've
on the show when we shot in Beirut in the war in two thousand, we got caught up in the conflict. There was a high level of paranoia about that sort of thing. Then, but you know it was ridiculous in the end, what happened there? Get caught up in the well, we were there shooting a you know, Happy Beirut, show going no reservations and went back. My hotel, basically There was a border incident with Israel. With some Hezbollah had kidnap some israeli soldiers is basically we got caught up in a war up for, went home when evening, look out the window and there's the airport virtually to get the flames and rockets and stuff coming in, and we realize you know we're not we're not we're not getting out anytime soon. So There was, of course, on the part of the you know: people who security, security guys who got involved in trying to get us out of the country yeah.
I had to think about all of that sort of possible targets sort of stuff. Again. It's. It's silly and I think any of us to took it took it seriously ever who who would target a you know, a host of it, dipshit little travel I think some people in some parts of the world be really desperate, but, and so that was the worst situation that you ever in the bedroom actually was the saddest, and I think this is the scariest or probably places Liberia. You find yourself where people are desperately poor and hungry. Ben and there's no law order at all. You know little situation in a market can turn into a a really ugly situation. You know those are the most realistic threats. We've ever ever faced it just you know, you know. Large groups of hungry people behave like hungry people. Do.
And so there been some dodgy moments there, but that's about it. There's uh online documentary show called vice guide to travel with her. Oh, it's God's terrific yeah. Did you ever see the episode on the Liberia episode? It was. It was a little lurid, but but it wasn't false. That was it. It was a troop sure of you know. We told the truth about about. For sure. That's a great way to describe it. I mean they obviously went after the Jews, but I mean If you're looking for for Jews use, you'll find it I mean the general they think they were with general Buck naked yeah, yeah yeah. I thought you don't know who he is he's a guy who she goes into battle naked, except for his boots for his boots and he killed the enemies, babies and he it's their blood because he thinks it makes him immortal and he's admitted to this. I mean guys like crazy, so so yeah and now he's a preacher yeah,
but it was the government. Actually, this preacher now, I believe, he's a preacher it's a very surreal. It it it's it's so that they can, anyways. The history of that country resembles a really bad acid trip. You know mens and ask it's they were american slaves that were brought back to Africa. Is that what it was yeah long story short. Liberia was I'm going to say found it? But it was. The nation was created by freed slaves, part of a back to Africa Movement and they arrive. People essentially taken been taken from all over Africa were returned to Liberia, country. None of them really had roots in then they became sort of an aristocracy and based their country entirely on the american model. You know very red, white and blue
It was in many ways. Is this little America in Africa and then things went really really bad whoa Africa fucking freaks me out, there was one. In a few weeks ago we were going to Mozambique next gonna go to the Congo. We try every year, it's like this fantasy for years yeah I wanted. I want to do the whole Joseph Conrad. You know a heart of darkness thing, I'm obsessed with going up the Congo River, every time, we take a serious look at doing and we schedule it every year. But every year we get security reports like no way you know it's a very, very volatile place. You know that's where they found that giant chimpanzee. Do you know about that thing? This is where I want to go. There's a chance. In the Congo. I mean I would never go if you had a ford, Yeah. If I had a force field Chimp in the Congo called Bondo ape it's a new champ that they've discovered that nest on the ground like a gorilla they walk up.
Right there over six feet tall there like four hundred pounds. I don't want to see this van. How to punish you kidding me troll it for me. I just remembered locals called, am lion killers, two different types of champs, there's tree beaters the regular champs and then there's these gray lion killers. There are real chip. Do you imagine a six foot tall, gray, Jaguar eating chimpanzee they've caught them eating jaguars It is a real champ that photos of this fucking thing. They have the capture one alive, but they have photos of some guy shot shot, a giant one near an airport up there I want one could have worked for me, like I did at giant killer chimp in a type. Are you going out to nightclubs with them like that, lady in Connecticut? But that's what I'm thinking about? That's? Why monkeys especially chips? There was no between me and the monkeys, because that sorry, this giant craze like Valium he just valium or something that the monkey is there. Something else you'd be the champion, unlike gnawed somebody's face off right, obviously, just with that's a pretty hard
well. They can just decide to do that in any time too, I mean- don't, but they could just decide to just fuck you up anytime. They want to and they can and it's not even like bad in their culture. Feature of champs you're supposed to be fucking each other up. They do it all day, but they don't understand our world our world of not fucking people up all the time they try to keep it together I don't want any pet that throws species Abby. You know I do. Have you ever come across any crazy animals or any weird threats like in any places like when you go to Brazil and you're in the jungle I mean the jaguars like a real threat out there right you mean the closest a threat to the animal kingdom, we've half. If we were in gonna, I think, and we we, the the I video, is we're going to go all the way out in the middle of nowhere. This tiny little uh game parkour camp and the whole idea is we have to get up super early and drive
four hours and bouncing land rovers in the hope that maybe, if we're lucky we're going to see a herd elephants and get to shoot, some will be wake up really early in the morning that the camp is infested with elephants? If you could be festive with elephants were just every wandering around right outside. So, of course, we did what any shooter would do. You run outside, and you start shooting the hell out of the fucking elephants is a good shot wow. So we're doing this. We're like two. Ok, let's get a good shot. You close internet that way and I'll close it on it. That way, basically heard the elephant. Towards the camera right at which the game, warden wakes up, you know, shows up. Our guidance is step away from the elephant. Like walk slowly backwards? We've done everything wrong. These were young male elephants. There, there, the fat, it's just moving creatures. I think in the wild once they get going and they hate bright, light bright shirts, which of course we were wearing.
They don't they're spooked by people holding implements, which, of course, We were doing and they particularly don't like being herded by people. One thousand their way, likely likely to charge it any point. So apparently that was we come close to doing something fatally stupid. How are you guys so bold stupid is the word: were you drunk when you guys were sober? We never seen that elephant bashing. The guy video, that's on the internet doesn't important point. We drunk with you so I mean we certainly drunk and stoned and stone a lot on the show, but I think we woke up and- and we were stones over first thing in the morning wow I mean what a crowded it would get them for Canada or really suicidal. I mean they hi, one of our guys, both Actually, when we were shooting in Kurdistan there, the hatches these russian cargo helicopters, hatch, open, they're, all the way out
you get these crossed, rafts and and clumps from you know, updrafts were suddenly rich zero grab. You know so you're into the it's just food: they do crazy shit for a good shot they really don't have a lot of sense. The snow that freaks me out more in those planes of the holes in the back those cargo jets in every for sports and a good movie yeah, You gonna knows how everything if it flies or moves on water or we've been there wow? so it over ten years how many different countries have you visited. I think it's over a hundred a lot a lot, so your passport has more than one like my head might as Canada. I'm also a I'm on my third passport and engine ten years. I think it just why We can't even put it in any more pages and then to get a new one. It seems like you should have a shorter line for security. I'm really I'm really good at security. I got one of this.
You know they talk about how work cops. Will talk about how they can I and if I uh an ex con very easily, because when they were ousted, they relaxed they go limp, they don't get they. Don't they don't fight back there they're trained to sort of deal with that kind of relationship. Oh that's interesting. I completely forgot my point here That's all right! That's interesting enough! That's uh! funny point that someone would be used to something someone other risking that there was a so I go to that same sort of relaxed about such I'm, a professional traveler, I just sort of relax. Go limp! Just try to bliss out as I go through this really been raging process. My friend Tony Visa Stamp Comic from Boston. He said this to me once he was traveling from Boston to New York on a regular basis. Good three hour drive if you're lucky and uh some like how are you doing that it goes. I just goes in the car just goes in. This is what I'm doing right now. I don't let it upset airports in particular. 'cause, it's futile. You know, there's no
shit goes wrong. You will end up sleeping on the floor. You know no matter how crazy and preserve you get about the situation. You're still gonna end up sleeping on the floor is that well, transit is about what is this in transit thing that you're doing? Well, I mean it's you you learn. You learn to adapt. If you do not like the new show. Oh yeah, the it's called layover layover. I thought it was in transit for some reason. It that's my I had so what it? What is that show is that the it's sort of experiences, no reservations always been about sort of me having a good time or trying to have a good time and this one's a more. What we're trying to actually be a little useful. I provide some information. Experiences that you you could do has no reservations. That's always been a second consideration we just we do a lot of shit on over the races that you just can't do there. You know they're out of rate, how to reach of anybody's expectations. I think any reasonable.
So this is more about if you stuck in a place where you find yourself in a place for like twenty, four or four thousand and forty eight hours, it's just you know good shit do so you filming at piggybacking it on no reservation, so we took a br, I can no no reservations and went out and shot a whole hell of a lot of these all in a really short period of time. It was. It was actually a brutal so so you're doing two series. At the same time, then we work from home, no reservations, bank Tampa sauds of labor, going like one to another boom to boom yeah. That's insane! That's an insane amount of work yeah, but I mean think what we're gonna do it yeah- I tell you what I did yeah. I take it while it's good, I mean I it's. This is not a this. Is
not a gig that you can say you know I'm just going to take a couple years off, go to go to a NASH, ram and find myself but I'll, be back yeah and now I have the best job in the world like crazy to to to dot milk it for everything I can. Are you still writing at all, because I know they are one book kitchen confidential is like the Bible in most kitchens and most most chefs. I know all have that book. Like every time I go to their house. I see that book. Are you did you did you did continue to write on the side. Don't know why you're on planes or yeah and uh take some time off to write but yeah every couple of years a book just did a comic book. They will be out next year comic book for a vertigo, it's an violent subversion I know what you call it Futuro satirical Slaughter fest in a what of it near
future where, where it's all about food people kill each other over ingredients and ideology, really yeah the illustrated the artist so. Did you write in? Do you are you I co wrote with CO, wrote it with a friend of mine are really great angel rose describing like yojimbo or fistful of dollars, but little all that shifts. That's awesome now, who's illustrating it we got him lined infosan- is terrific, terrific artists. How one come up with the idea to start their own comic book uh. Well, we just you know sold this concept and- and interested and they said we'll make it happen, I'm doing it 'cause its fun. You know I just did. I Then it goes back to the little boy thing yeah. If you
If you could do a comic book, you know what little boy wouldn't yeah, no shit. I used. I love comics. I love comics till I had a dream the other day. That I went to a comic book store and then I started getting into collecting Congress on and I brought it home and my wife was like really you're gonna you're, starting to Baikonur. I think one of my comic books again did you ever have to tell you just how many election growing up at one point, because I I did I did- I saw them off drugs actually late in life. You know so I mean I was the sensible kid who kept my collect. So so I had a very good book collection collection, but you know Mccain is a powerful drug. I've managed to avoid that one, the one I mean when I was a kid. I had a friend whose cousin was selling it me for like, over a course of one school year. He completely changed. He lost about fifteen twenty pounds is, is God sunken in him and his girlfriend would just hide in their attic apartment? Do Coke and watch tv,
and I was like okay, whatever the that is the black out? You know, therefore, the foil lead over the over the windows. Yes, they got creepy. This is very strange, was like village. They're affected looks like they got bit by a vampire centers. I get. A wide range was great on bad. Does that really well on that show they'd with every time these two go to like a meth head apartments that the set decoration, the p, really got that right? You know the chills, great yeah, okay, so fun decorating. The sets like I like to read as I met these people like Doritos, is thrown three exactly staining sheets. Has anybody ever giving you for shooting animals on the show? Peter: do not love me. I'm sure I mean we do get mail from vegetarians. You know I got a pig the couple of weeks ago on the show create episode. Thank you. You know
people people who eat pork were saying you there's no need for that. That was, you know completely offensive and ridiculous that you would do that. Someone I guess you did it for ratings. Well, you know. Is there a huge demographic out there? You know I need to see more pics shot and the brain I need to see more. I want to see some more animal cruelty. Now it was we. We did it because it's part of a process that that the so over Tori Processor, tradition and uh. I was offered the honor of doing the deed, and I thought it would be hypocritical to not. You know I'm responsible for the death of the pain, 'cause, we're making a tv show about about a party where we kill a pig and eat it, so either. Somebody else is going to do what I'm gonna. Do it and I just said could all do it. Do you get sick a lot with all the different foods you eat? You have your found in all those hours that you didn't know you had by the. I think. That's a that's such an important point and well it's it's a weird thing that people have with a thing did somehow another if you don't kill the animal that you're not responsible for his death.
So that you're not somehow or another, because just because you don't get your hands dirty in getting the meat of the supermarket you're, not responsive, it's the same fucking thing yeah I mean I don't make a point of going out there. I don't. We need some more footage of me. Looking manly, you know she don't bring it down a deer It wasn't like me at all. We try to work. You know avoid that. But, on the other hand, if you have we've had a lot of animals slaughtered for our meal around the world, because that's what they do in a lot of cultures, when your guest, it's gonna, kill the lamb so actually every once in awhile. I will actually have to kill an animal myself. I don't I just not a hunter. I would never hunt for sport, for instance, but you know I do eat me then I do eat this stuff and you know. If I'm going to be cool with other people, shooting an animal I'm going as well. Do it myself,
Just the one of the first episodes that I ever saw, your show you shot a deer in England. I was terror. That was, I was absolutely terrified. My worst fear was I'm going to hit this thing in the stomach or something it's gonna be long painful horrible? I would totally freaked out right so yeah I was, I felt very first time you ever shot. It was the first time I shot anything that big. It was one of the first episodes that I sides one of the things that got me hooked on the shell 'cause. I was like this- is real, like you just shot, this fucking thing in this guy rubbed a blood cross about four that was Marco Pierre White who's. One of my heroes. Like back when I was cooking. We, I'll stand around in the kitchen. Looking a Marco Piere White's book, saying that is the rockstar. They don't that's the guy. We all want to be like, and so suddenly years later Mark taking me out, hunting- and you know I didn't want to Look it up, you know he's letting his rifle. He is my hero, saying there is Anthony known Ellen that beautiful one there he had the head
actually mounted for me, and had the animal certified as a silver medal Anthony he was very proud of it. Did you get any rifle lessons or anything before that? Did you know how to aim aim boy scout camp? You know really. I just I shoot a lot on the show, there's a lot of not just it's fun, I mean when you travel, who doesn't like standing there pop it off endless rounds of ammunition at a target or something like that. So we do a lot of target. Shooting local firearms is something of of continuing a recurring theme on the show two alcohol I mean. There's a bar in Cambodia, that's really famous that you could basically go to and just get fucked up to give you liquor for free you pay for ammunition by the round. I mean that come on in what society would that fun, getting really fucked up and shooting targets while drunk with like caliber machine guns, Jesus
nice. Parts of the world- man, God damn bone marrow? I still your favorite. Have you found it? I like it. I read somewhere. It was like bone marrow, bread, bread, your favorite meal meal. I would like that Bellmare owes to try it sometime. It's just a little toast good. I've had bone marrow. I like it's good stuff when we had that shit in Portland, very fatty, though right. Yes, it's very mostly fat. I don't know, I mean it's. It's very delicious melts in your mouth we, we don't travel nearly as much as you do. We travel a lot of us. I do I do, but it's mostly just city city, and I mean occasionally I go to the country. No, I do shows in England, and we do UFC's in England and we always try to find Fogo every
as a child. What is it like? Having a wife who is a crazy? You have seen that I have seen some you have seen that still your wife is over the deep end, May Jenny's she trained. She does JU and she does moitie too it doesn't. She just wait. I in the mornings and grappling and jujitsu with brazilian jujitsu at night. With that ads yeah at his studio and you're happy and she's really really into it, and you know I sort of live in fear. Actually great here is that you know she's. Just wait. Do you know some over these? The Aspic fan? You know some some drunk chick with hair. Extend, This is going to step in between the two of us. You know what we're having a drink, and my
good, joke around reception in a home. You really worried about that. She's gonna hurt somebody. When these days do you think she wants to? Actually she spoils level. This is she I'm we're we're very we're very proud of the boarding house sold that my wife for a couple months ago, choked out her trainer he blacked out before he could tap out really so she's, just fucking nuts for this stuff yeah. That is so it's all about the grappling which which it makes it tough. We'll go out to dinner at like a really nice, french, restaurant and she'll wear like a low cut, gown and, of course, she's got blue and yellow fingerprints, all over giant bruises. That he's all very proud of everyone in the restaurant's. Looking at me, like you, son It's good for LEO tried dating a kick or black eyes and shit walking around bloody noses, but but
but she she she loves, watching the sport, but I think way more. She likes taking what now how long she been doing this, but about four years now, so she just got hooked four years ago and just dove right at it when when she does think she tends to do in a serious way, she's a very enthusiastic woman, it was fun It was fun watching. I really love watching people who really enjoy the sport and really appreciate and understand. It need to see that you know like you. Life is one of those fucking p, those are arms, arms, blocked, yeah, she's know she's a serious UFC fan. Yes, I mean I'm I'm getting into it just entire entirely. Because because she's in a witness it was a lot of fun. I was in boxing fan for sure, but You know this was the all new to me. So I basically, I asked asked her this guy. Any good
once you figure out who's, good and who's who's. Interesting, and you know you, you watch a few- could fights and understand the rivalries. Man, then that's ask capable it's just too exciting. I love. I love the Anderson Anderson Silva fight recently that the whole way it hands down that whole. I leave thing was the fight was over that he just totally on the other guy's head. He was such as good ten. She was thing to do yeah. Well, he gets his timing. What happens with Anderson is Anderson. He's like calculating you he's figuring out he's wrapping inside the danger zone and outside I trying to figure out what your instincts are. Witcher reflexes are, and then he realizes that, after, like one fifteen twenty seconds, you're twenty seconds are going to slow down forty five seconds of the first round, guys start to slow down two minutes. Three minutes in they really started slow down and that's when Anderson starts to pile it on he's like
calculating your abilities and then he can just get right in front of you and put his hands down and there's nothing you can do about it. It's got to be the most horrifying feeling in the world to be locked in a cage age with a magician, you know what who can hit you and you can hit him and he's very confident and he's like walking in on you and you know, he's got you timed and figured out. I just start popping off. That was a really impressive fight. He's an amazing athlete man he's he goes down in my book is one of the all time great athletes. You know Mohammed Ali's and sugar, Sugar Ray Leonard's and all the Roberto Duran's, all the greats of the past, Anderson Silva goes right in with them. You know obviously different sport, but did the same thing that the that super athlete than that guy. That can do things that other people just can't do, I'm I'm always it. You know. Ali was a personal hero. You know for me, I just as a as a as a fighter as a personality. Is it as a as a leader I I just
He looked up to him. Still look up to it's a very unfortunate. What happened to him. You know I mean: do you do to want to talk about a guy? Who was this incredible speaker who was? so fast and so flu and so sharp in the weekend. Can the way could break things down and the way he these ethics? You stood up for this Vietnam war. He said you know a man, not no Vietnamese ever did nothing to me, yeah, I'm not going over there. You know I I put him up. There would like to add to Jefferson and in lincoln- and you know I I just see him as a really of a great one of the greatest and most heroic american icons. I mean certainly sure, especially around the world respected and looked up to have you seen the film when we were kings. Yeah yeah, I cried like a baby at the end that feeling every time it's amazing something. That's the film where Honey Thompson was hired to go right. He was so upset 'cause. He was an eleaf any new. All he was going to be killed that he just
took drugs and floated around the pool, the Nixon mask on and the whole fight just doctor Thompson of another personal hero. But mine is a sadder story. You know, I mean people say always happy now really so I don't know, I don't think Thompson clearly was a happy man. Thompson was in a lot of pain to you know he had a hip replacements, and that's brutally painful for some people. He had like a lot of physical ailments and top of that his body was just so beaten down from the daily boozing. I mean he just would pounded daily, so I figured anybody reads my stuff. You know I was you know. I'm seamlessly student oven enthusiast I mean of one hundred since early work. I really went stuff came out in rolling stone, running to the store to get fear and loathing in LAS Vegas serialized life changing yeah,
but I don't that's a guy who you sort of peaked early and I think very hard time for the rest of his career. After I think, probably fearing on the campaign trail. I think it was I was clearly struggling with writing for the rest of his life. Well, I think, you just can't do that to your health and not struggle create. Hopefully you can't do that. You can't just poison, you can't do cocaine right. That's for sure you can't do coke and right now baby to send and then what will happen you'll either keep. It will be utterly complete. Shit or you'll find some way to not right at all. Embarrassingly I wasn't. I didn't know much about Hunter S Thompson until I was in Seattle once I was staying in a hotel room and I had a layover and nothing to do just flipping through the paper view, movies, gonzo life and work life and times of Hunter S Thompson. I think it's called yeah. I watched the documentary on holy shit
you know when they show how he when Ed Muskie was running for president. You started writing fake stories about the guy being on. I will gain and right into the glass talk any made up names for new drugs that you know a dude was on something called wallet so SH, some new form is some actually found its way into the into the straight media and has a if they had had to fend them soon gave some homeless guy his press credentials. I think his White House group yeah really without semantic stuff, but I think did tomorrow, get it if you, if you read some of the stuff in some of the is in fear, loathing in LAS biggest. It is a very romantic sentimental side. He wrote some beautiful senses about how his hopes were smashed forever by yeah. You know what he saw happening typically in this country. Well, unix and just you know, really fucked with Connor Thompson's head what was great about his his
rantings and drug induced. You know his his just his vision of the world was that he been through a utopia period in San Francisco in the late sixties. So he had this idea of his LSD culture where he knew this was possible. He knew it. Be beautiful and then, when the hopes were dashed in all the water was thrown on the fire, then he became this wild fucking Renegade is that line about it's right here. This is where the wave bro and then read all rolled back. I think he's talking about the desert near Vegas yeah. Which is one of the very you know this was a failed romantic, a failed hippie, you know who's who's. Seen everything go: ugly, real, quick, yeah the way he described the so many people that were in the psychedelic movement who's, calling them mental cripples. If you into these, you know, basically, these p we just locked into this crew of losers,
dragging them around with them and to side and was watching the whole thing crash against the rocks, such a fascinating writer. That guy was and was so fascinating that he had this realistic period when he was younger and it had the hopes dashed. So it was uh. It's like you know, yeah. I think it's where the anger came from yeah, but, first of all, so you so you know what was so funny about the Thompson yeah yeah. He describes a bad acid trip once I think in local Vegas, where he describes a really bad acid trip is being one. We look down your leg and see your dead grandmother crawling up your leg with a knife in her teeth. That is a beautiful image yeah he's one of those dudes are really wish. I had a chance to meet once you find out about him later in life. Great letter writer to use the letters are available. I think good books called the proud highway in his correspondence with the people who Really hilarious, really really fun
brilliant dude watch that folks listening watch that documentary, though gonzo whatever there is life and works of something I don't know if it's the life and times or whatever it is, but just gonzo look for it's fucking incredible! so. No one is really ever giving you a hard time about killing animals. What about all the shit you say about vegans. Vegans. I find it very defensive. I've joked about vegans a few times on the podcast, and I've got a bunch of hate mail. Hate tweets. Yeah This and there there's a hardcore vegans who are in there now like me anyway, whether I shoot animals that the fact that I'm eating meat at all and talking about it as if it's something that we should all do, I'm already there their blood enemies so really any problem for them vegetarians. I have a surprising number of vegetarian fans, which is something I really don't understand. I'm grateful for it, but apparently there are vegetarians with a sense of humor total,
you start to not have a sense of humor, but not really have Any problems is the usual angry stuff, but not a lot of I always wish that somehow another science and figured out a way to record screams of lettuce? they found that, let us they can't move, but they yeah they scream like squashing kittens. You know it's just a microbial level. We can't really pick it out right. It's poor, lettuces suffering! Every time you eat it and then see what these self right just fox, think that with people walking in the whole foods and you're like wearing the scarlet letter, if you were just in the whole foods at the wrong time, there's just vegans everywhere. I I and you down when you're walking down you think it's it's not that bad. Like. I have friends that are vegans. I have a few silly friends. I got Jamie Kilstein he's a vegan is a great guy. I love that dude he's silly, though
yeah. We you should help them. If we can, he used to eat meat, and you know now he's like super lefty he's like he's got this radio show citizen, radio you know in the rial Riel Super Lefty, you just gotta cook bacon around somewhere in the distance right. It's a pony! I don't smell anything. Do you really get it be around wild pigs? If you're so happy about pigs, you wouldn't be. If you saw feral pigs, the pigs that you see have no relationship to the pigs that we would have if they were. We talked about this the last podcast that they transform the wild pitch You know. If you set the a domestic pig loose within three weeks, the body starts to change. They grew there, scroll longer snout grows longer, hair gets shaggy and they become more delicious really do that, while big is good, is wild pig better than domestic pig kind of depends. What you're? Looking for you know it's a game here. Bore before that's fucking delicious. That's amazing, yeah, some of
the game meats are like the most delicious meats like Elk. Elk is fantastic ever elk. Never never. Milk is delicious. Yeah elk liver is delicious elk liver, What is that, like calves, liver, but with its own sort of healthy flavor, well, whoever figured out how to do fog, Wah and that guy is a bad mother, Fucker yeah. What it's going to be illegal out here, I think in twenty twelve watts laws laws kicking in it will be I believe, illegal to sell in the state of California, God, there's a restaurant called Brandywine in Woodland Hills? That's like one of their specialties and it's fucking fantastic so good, and I know it sucks to be a duck, but sucks to be a dog, no matter what, where they have a giant liver and not yeah. On that issue. On that issue, people really tend to get cranky
especially on here I mean the the some of the animal activists terror. You know I mean absolutely terrorized chef friends of mine up in San Francisco. Really there was a group up there, who terrorized the chef friend first threatening phone calls they broke into his business and trash the whole business plugged up the toilet going acid on the walls, the walls, but the nicest thing they did. I thought was they slipped into his backyard while he was away and videotaped his wife and and child together from the rear window from the backyard and they sent him the tape holy Shit, basically saying to stop serving or selling or anyway dealing with Foie gras, you know after this I just feel compelled, even if out of spite to eat photograph of the rest of my life one. I you
stand here are some cons out there they're just waiting for an argument there waiting to pick a side to be on whatever team it is and from fight that to the death yeah. I think they they they smartly saw four greisen easy win. You know it's not like this is anymore outrageous or painful or bad or procedure in any way than any other animal we eat. I mean the way chickens are raised in this country is truly shocking or domestic logs from some of the major, the major houses, these really sort of grotesque mass market. You know very unhealthy way to create food. Let's put it that way, so, are bigger and more deserving targets target since wagra, but I think the animal rights guys saw something that they can win because high profile brutally it looks bad and we should it looks like it is basically, when they feed the Geese, who generally if it's any kind of any
quality operation, the geese ducks come over to the feeder, but basically you tilt the things head back. You put a long funnel down its throat and you know put a couple of handfuls of ground corn in which they readily eat. It just looks like they're having food jammed into them and if you, if you play foot, each of you know some place in Eastern Europe that is mass producing this stuff very cruelly. There's some really find footage that that makes for a very lurid picture of the process. Add to that that French, you know it's got a french name and only a bunch of wealthy, high end. Restaurants serve it. It was an easy victory of them isn't in their ultimate goal, but basically bolstered by their victory with Foie gras. Here they will then be able to raise money towards the next victory, which you know ultimately leads to their aim, which is to give chickens the vote
is in fog. Why can't you get it organically? Where you don't force feed them? Isn't there so they say so that everything will or they will be, they will, if just left, left on their own devices during certain seasons. You eat themselves. This you know into a bloated, liver, fattening situation for sure, but that's the only way to get good fog wise to do that that sort of force, feeding 'cause, otherwise the liver is just not you're, not grabbing this any anyone. I know in this country who sells fois gras in their restaurant, buys from one or two or three outfits, all of which, I can tell you are not people brew the grabbing animals jamming this to under throat, and then some cartoon cat- and you know whether the Warner brothers cartoons don't jam- and you know, mouthful after mouthful with the Belize, expands its like two hands day. It takes like two seconds and it's not that bad and the animals other Otherly, otherwise live really cool comfortable
juries lives. For, for, for you know to be between the put in the world of poultry there, the aristocrat. So it's really just a couple quick, quick a day and that's it yeah then, like the other hand. We kill woman harvest their stuff and in this case, stuff is a delicious, delicious, smooth, creamy, very tasty liver. I can't wait to try it never had it now you got to go to this by making today, were you twice as much of that? I would normally yeah go to this brandy, one place, but I, but I those are the people you have to you know those people get angry. I think some people that love animals more than love people. Those people are creepy that those- those fucking team, animal people, those people that want to rescue animals from there certain people. Their agenda is ultimately to have no animals under people like in yards. No animals contained none own animals, animals have their own rights, it's such a
world map of form of lunacy. Isn't it well, they believe it's evolution. They believe that you know we need to move past. Our monkey passed and we moved to need to move past are carnivorous ways and embrace the ways of the plants healthier and it's natural and nobody gets to get hurt and we don't have to have horrific domestic, but that's who likes the animals hurt, I mean we could all agree on. That is true, but you know, if you don't shoot him, they don't live forever right. Getting silly, there's a cycle of life real well, it's it's good for you steak when you work out. If you workout, Nothing feels better than a steak he's slicing in that thing, and you start chewing it in the blood mouth. Oh it let's. You know this is what you needed. This is what you're looking for. I feel that urged often, but you know it's really- maybe every couple of months I'll get that said you know, I'd really like a salad, maybe every two months or actually, if you're in like Czech Republic
in Eastern Europe. Basically for more than two weeks, you really starting to think or Argentina or a gray, you don't see a green vegetable for like weeks you see anything. It says like pork, pork, morpork, pork, starch and beer. Do you start blocking up? yeah, Brock Lesnar are UFC a former UFC champion. He had to get twelve inches of his colon removed because all the it was me yeah. It was one of those crazy dudes who would wouldn't eat. Salads he's a fucking caveman. You know just giant gorilla he's, like literally like a real Viking. It's fucking head is this big giant, wrestler dude he's a savage and he just ate meat. That's all he wanted to eat even want broccoli, fuck you with your. Please just eaten steaks and drop people in their heads or apparently Can you do that? If you have just to me protein it can cause. Something in your stomach called diverticulitis and that's what happened with him and
to many of you have different numbers? Cucumbers to this means with the anything that that has a semi digestible particles. Like I thought I give the seeds and numbers, for instance, the to see if he's in Q completely diverticulitis, we had a script, a sort of talk, often of the side there and and just started your take the stats fats in it conversation we remove our way onto and then I'm on my favorite words the reason bringing up is that all he did was eat meat, and I always wonder that can't be good How do these people man civil Jesus He was pissed off before now. Now he's lost the lead. Which is a colon twelve as well. Now he's really pissed off yeah feed me like how do these cultures do it? How do they get away with just eating meat? Probably there's no profit seriously. I think certain cultures clearly overtime, develop their sick,
around the food, but you see this in the north to Canada, with the Inuit people up there, they seal and seal ilfat. They need it in their bodies have changed because of this diet, to Diatta after this incredible cold, I mean you, it's notion that people could ever be vegetarian in a place like that, where there's not a growing thing for one thousand miles twenty below zero. You know these people live because they shoot seals and eat their blubber and you could see it in their bodies there. They are able to withstand temperatures that would kill us in hours. Jesus Christ they also have some weird thing. With their fingers don't get numb, they have incredible circulation in their fingers. They can take extreme cold that we wouldn't be able to take it's like one of the things that they.
To use adaptation is one of the like the the the key points of adaptations of been observed over the it's. It's pretty. It's pretty amazing. Now, especially or you feel it. I mean that. You know when you feel cold, like that, for the first time you the coldest you've ever been, that was, What is it on? What is the number? I, even though I know that, if you step outside for a minute cigarette, you have to completely suit up it. Just cold, so penetrating that you really got it just a couple of minutes before you start getting hypothermic I know a dude who knows a dude who lives in Alaska and the guys a q maker makes pool cues lives way the fuck up north. He took a bucket of hot water and threw it off his back porch and it was frozen before it hit the ground. Wrap your head around that shit is insane possible. It is possible. Apparently
it's like forty fifty below zero. That's what happens. I remember up there in the update. We were all our latest sort of Everest ready. You know down parkas, you know they'll, their asses off at us. When we get off when we got off the plane- and we said you know, are we dressed well enough to go out in the canoes and they just laughed their asses on had a slip big, like caribou smock over yourself on top of the down jackets to you, know, to operate fuck or all are cameras locked up like froze up and locked up within seconds of each other after I don't know- must have been made. We shot for an hour an hour and a you know: machinery can hand was that the most humbling feeling of nature that you've ever had while shooting show seeing a whole family
basically shoot a seal, drag it on their kitchen, Florida, Tarpon and then everybody in the family. You know mom dad grandma, you know junior they all without dyes and start airing this thing apart and they start eating little pieces of it too. They need to hold for each other and it looks like it look. Night of the living dead, but it is in fact almost sort of genuine heart warming times I've had on the show, I mean, there's a there's, a survival, the new incredibly happy when they're doing this in in in juxtaposing those. You know pictures you might have what a clear a close and happy family a good time with all of this blood. That's kind of take some getting used to But I think when you travel a lot, you get used to the notion that people are different. Leaving very different circumstances,
and people adapted those circumstances, and that's just the way it is for them to to Lee, and I think it's you know, because because interested principally and food on the show, I think people everywhere. Particularly nice to us, and let us see a particularly I don't know side of their personalities aside, other cultures at all. I think a lot of other. You know hard journalists don't get to see people's defenses are down. You know they. Don't they don't they're less likely to put up with front or be someone other than who they really are over the table. You know right away a break bread with somebody you drink the local drink whatever it is. Whatever is offered to try to be a good guest. I think you're going to connect people over food in a way that you couldn't, if you're just some guy with a you, know a microphone and a camera, people cameras and things changes the situation, but the fact that the
you know I I travel largely on my stomach. I think, is it an advantage? What a fucking crazy way to live, that's fascinating We did you know that was a Brazil. The last you'll see I didn't go to that. One was filmed fear factor, so I stayed home. I couldn't afford to take four days off. It's good food down there Brazil, Rio, I've been to Sao Paulo, went to a real. To has Korea in Sao Paulo, pretty bad ass. Fuller child, but they had a lot more organs in Brazil eat a lot of chicken hearts and things along those lines. Chicken livers. The big deal is fish water, the whole country does it is water, it's basically a big: u of who's in snouts and black beans and really delicious in its. It came in usually from slave food. It was the the table of the wealthy Portuguese, that
slaves would collect and try to make into something edible or even delicious and overtime. Time could, with this dish, that you know it was the food of very poor at one point now, it's like the national dish, everybody in Brazil, one point or another Saturday invite the family over, and you sit around eating this huge, huge lots of fish water and get really really really fucked up on Kush, Ossa, the episode that you had in Brazil is really wild when you were at that fish market, as he's fucking, alien fish that they're all eating that is cookie at their. You know that's fresh water for sure that you're in water, the depth of the rice Patty, you know I mean three feet of water you're driving around you. Looking at basically rice pie, Deep water to let you see a five hundred freshwater fish, you know breaking the surface, it's while I mean they're all of these fishing and creatures and fruit
vegetables down there that never make it out of that area. So it's really. Ingredient wise. It's really another planet, yeah. I would imagine so I really like, like I said I didn't get to eat much interesting food over there. I was there for the world Jitsu championships in two thousand and three. So I was only there for a couple of days but we did go to the supermarket and get these fucking alien. Looking fruits like I've, never even seen him before never heard of him. No idea what the fuck it was. I just picked up a boy. Different ones, a weird seeds, seed and strange flavors, and it's a great country, great food, great culture to wild country people are people are really nice, they're that figured out fighting. They figured it out. There is a lot of confusion as to how to fight correctly. The brazilians were really one of the first to really figure it out. They put the first big piece to the puzzle. Jujitsu put the first big piece where everybody was like. Oh okay, this you gotta know this know. If you, if you don't know going they're grab you and they're going to break your shit is really simple.
The brazilian guys just revamp the whole system and then read this came along and kickboxers. Then people realize you have to have really a full arsenal of techniques. If you don't have a full arsenal of techniques, if you just had one jujitsu is probably one of the best ones to have, and the Brazilians were the ones to figure that out now, when I to if you didn't know back in the day, nobody knew everything, because it never was anything like the ultimate fighting championship. So there's never an opportunity to see what was better to know it. Just speculative is it to Yeah boxer. Is it better to be arrested? Fuck knows it just nobody really knew, but the Brazil, Things came along and they figured out that if you only know one thing, you should know how to choke people. 'cause fights usually scramble the you know, you're in a bar, you fall you're on the ground that you should know how to strangle a guy wants to go to the ground. That's a wild! culture to figure that out man, I love it. It's it's it was awesome. I, like El Salvador Bahia in the n, that's sort of the African Heartland of Brazil and it's where the food
sort of spiciest and richest the most interesting. You know it just there's no culture like it on earth. Aside, it is, I don't know how anyone could. Actually, I don't understand how anyone wants to work with a few that when you get used to the just hearing that music being in a country that beautiful food that good. Everybody in the country looks like tractor Verna, everybody in Brazil seems to look like the either just got laid and they're coming from getting laid or they're on their way to getting. Like you know, it's it's going to be to Brazil. This is amazing, because you see people of every size. You know every hue. It just kind of the would be it's just the beach culture is so awesome and there's, no, I don't think there's any country where people love see.
Like music and dance as ferociously. It's really tough to not dance in Brazil. Everybody seems to Well, so is that your favorite country do up there but is it- is one of my favorite countries. There's something really really awesome about Brazil. What's your favorite man favorite? I don't know Spain Spain's, we are from you know, died. Spain was where you were at that restaurant was and believes that I say it yeah, but just about anywhere in Spain is this is this is gonna, be a special place with great food and it's going to be beautiful, of Vietnam, I love, you know that Vietnam resembles all of the places I dreamed about. You know when I was a little boy the exotic the exotic east. Well, you know there is that the decaying french aspect, the indigenous Vietnamese that
Part of the world looks to me particularly beautiful, and they like food in a way that that I've, I find very sympathetic, they're passionate about it. So, Vietnam, this that's going to be a sentimental favorite as well wow, so Vietnam, Numero Uno, while but you could do worse than you know. To keel over after a really good meal to die with a big hunk of pork in your mouth in Spain would not be a bad way to go out. Anybody that doesn't appreciate The idea of cooking as an art form should watch that show on El Booya is now am I saying oh yeah that guy wow what a fucking wizard that guy is really intensely creative chef that had this small restaurant in Spain. Yeah I mean it was. It was basically, it was considered the best restaurant in the world for
A long time it certainly, he was a guy way out in front of everybody else, yeah that was some good food porn. It and I think that was a show and really. You know it wasn't what we get an opportunity to show that my actually means something in a few years and we shot. I think we shot some history with that show. Is the restaurant closed the same night. I think that we aired the shower or close to it and uh. You know That is that was that's a true artist and it was a limited period of time in that era is over and we managed to get it on on on tape. So so that's something really. I was confused as to what he was doing afterwards. He was talking about yourself, start of I was asian all together and it's as a think tank, essentially he's a creative space where people from all over the world could talk to each other or me come up with new ideas
trippy, very trippy, because you know I have to be honest, and until I watch your show, I never thought of food as an art form. I always the food. Is you know? Well, no, I see your instincts are right. I I think there are maybe two or three people in the world who, I would say in who should maybe three chefs in the world, who you could honestly say their artists is, was really talented craftsman I mean artists only is creating something completely diff Anybody else does doesn't have to absolutely be completely different, because it's almost just doing it really well and with attention to detail and like that. That is all word it does come through when you have a, I think, there's a difference between the people who designed the great cathedrals of Europe and the people who built them for people put them, or probably the problems with some of the greatest craftsman. History of the world, but they were that we're working within an established hierarchy. They were about.
Doing the same thing again and again and again exactly the same, I just don't think there are that many people who if the bed for me the benchmark, is fair on Audrey AWE, and this was a guy who was like Charlie, Parker or Jimi Hendrix. You know nobody I never made sounds out of a guitar before, like Jimi Hendrix, you know, no one had ever made sounds out of a horn like Charlie Parker. They were you know the history. There are a lot of people who will ever be that good or that different and Audrey's is like those guys that so that's the high water mark for you. So there's only a few guys like that they just really are paving. Math and doing their own, you know what do we do now closed his restaurant. You know it was traumatizing for it. For a lot of people who looked at the Michael Jordan of Chef sees the peak of the hill right he's. The Bruce Lee of Chefs Bruce Lee Michael Jordan, together wow.
With a little bit of Dalai Lama, who else is left how many guys are left? True artists? I do and I wouldn't even like to think about. I know there's somebody out there is a small handfuls there. I probably you know It's probably someone who's food. I've eaten, and I just stopped she's stupid to have recognized that it was historic and great well, even the craftsman, even if you just recreating classic dishes, I don't give a fuck when someone's really good at it comes through as an art. I see what you're saying that they might not be the innovators. They might not be at the head of the family. You know that there are a lot of really great innovative chefs out there but art. You know. I said I standard, you know and if you look at Picasso here, right, yeah. Well, I'm a fucking comedian that we call comedy art. You know some people would call this the art of podcasting. It gets ridiculous. I will I will. I will go
great without having created any art. How pretty damn sure why you think that that's funny, because I think your book is our man? No, I think that's. Are you start if you start talking about yourself like that? You know they start talking about yourself in the third person and up and up and let you do, but you get arrested, like you know, having beaten the transsexual hooker to death, viewtiful that you think, like that, that's why you're you he's a beautiful with the thing that is the road to madness and and starvation yeah. Can she talking about yourself as an artist stepping back, and you know, as an artist, I feel as an artist. You know ever since I've been writing books. An artist yeah I don't really see, I don't see what I do. Anything that I do is essentially that much different than added on a line, one of one chef cook among many making food. You know you presumably you're, building something or making something as best you can you showing up at one time doing the best,
hopefully you're having fun doing it. You know, and so so there aren't, that different. I don't see what one would start telling stories on television or talk about just on the television and see as being essentially in any different is certainly no better than actually working for a living right. I see what you're saying that you are one of those guys that you know could just be. Anyone could know you as that, guy that you work with the great personalities funny likes. It talk shit about things kind of an interesting guy. You know he could be a tv star, someone just put a camera on him. Guy needs his own reality show, How many? How many people do you know like that? I've known thousands of my friend Johnny Bailey, I used to my best friend, was a professional pool. Hustler halfway homeless, I was sleeping on my couch other peoples, people's couches and a Jew. So you could throw math problems out on me, recreate them.
But that would make a great reality show. I think the television is taught television. Anything it's that you know complete. Mediocrity is enough to have your own reality show, and you know there is that it's it's all about your willingness to play ball, those kids on Jersey Shore. Does this situation like drive a Bentley, the work, you know and then he's gotta sleep on a cot with a bunch of other boneheads. You know who he hates. You know you know what it is that really how the show works. They all hang together, right, yeah. They don't like that house right or the left foot during shooting season. The rest, you know I mean know the rest. Yeah he's not taking a mopeds home. You know I the way I look at him is like good for him. You know, I see what else would he be doing I see this is it? Is it is a Greek tragedy action you know. Really I mean really. If you know you, you the whole dynamic to show that the crying hardly that by now they know that
they know the tearable rules of television. Know it's not looking good. They got that early, you know, but now it's know how to, ball. I got a good thing: they get a good gig and there milk in it long as they can but get the real housewives chain. You know it's like anyone go on the real housewives, thinking that they're gonna look good in the shows about it's about making people sitting on couches with a bag. It's saying man. Those people even way more fucked up being done in their faces, their faces. Who buys that look at those lips, white, human? It's like that and that's the chick chicken, her husband just committed suicide, and then his business partner committed suicide too. So But everyone saying it's it's all about you, don't get many! You show up for work every day. Knowing that your job is to do you know I mean everyone. Watches will feel better about themselves. You know and be snickering at me and I was met by cartoonish behavior. It is fascinating that the trend of reality television took off. But this idea,
just following housewives of following guys driving on slippery roads ice road truckers is about show about driving slippery. A slippery road is that you know those auction shows auction shows these no you know. I don't know if it's the worst thing that ever happened in history, the or the best you know I weird! You know, I don't think it's worse or the bass, but it's definitely weird it's like so I mean I do watch some of the shows like Jersey Shore. I can watch only about ten minutes of it before it. Just might bring libel start to explode it with there's too much it's just too too are flying in yet fascinating. You know, so I'm for ten minutes. The greatest show that ever existed,
after which I just I can't it's too painful for me. Well, that's pretty watered down. You know, as far as like the old, the the low level behavior of this country, have you seen the wild and wonderful whites of West Virginia now Johnny Knoxville documentary. You got to see it. It's awesome job yeah, so few these shows have really any any relationship to reality at Paul. They've created this alternate reality. We're real people are behaving like a soap, the soap opera freaks that they're expected to behave like an insult. Your complicity in this whole terrible process of you know public self humiliation, that's kind of fascinating well, not only that they also have toe they. Do these fake tasks, like things happen, don't know, we've got to get down the D m v. I'm gonna lose my licence. Sure you are what the fuck you talking about like this is like they orchestrate fake drama and fake things that I'm waiting for the day. You know that you know I get the phone call from the agency, you know.
Really think celebrity. Rehab is a good career move freaky right now. You know that says something about. What point does this scene logically like a good career move, you know celebrity rehab would be pretty fucked up, especially if you're Eric Robertson, you just it's just weed that, would it was the weirdest one cause he got on celebrity rehab because he said he's having a problem with weed Everybody else is shaking like a leaf thrown up and says he's having hi FI read in the papers. This is nothing wrong with them like that. You don't need to be here yeah, but he knows the drill always got to have at least one freak out during the season right. Is that what it is? Why don't those are? Generally, the rules of you know, get a bonus, your your this think. It's a Ching Wells Fargo, that's one of the most disturbing shows celebrity rehab, very, very, very disturbing hard you wouldn't be depressed. So, like your agent called up and said, listen Joe got a great offer. You, like
Well what does it say about me? I would. I would like, on a bathroom, staring the mirror for a long time. Well, I would have done that. What have I done yeah? That's why it's good to have friends back home, where your like freaking out too much of my god and you're good to much. What do you do we at ways to less I blacked out Friday, Saturday, Sunday, okay, right now, my I'm fine, you know we've our market research has shown us is you know audiences really want me to more footage of you, vomiting yeah, we'll be speaking of vomiting menu. You have that one episode we took I'll Wasco yeah. It was that legit. I did. You know I've taken a lot of lsd early from my life, so by the time I took I'll ask for the first time. So I was like, It was for me, it was kind of like ecstasy in the sense that I'm sitting around waiting to get off it didn't work it. But it was a big deal. You know real is the that's a drug right. You know. I think that was my. That was my. That was my experience I think you got some low level shit and sometimes they do that. I've always heard that from the Iowa,
skaros, that they water down the stuff they give to the the gringos. They don't want anybody going crazy running through the woods, dragons dragons flying fucking, serpents and ufos and shit, but everybody that I know that's taken in this taken. Legit doses had crazy psychedelic visually. I mean I wait in his experience. You know it's just cottage, no cottages, a shack up on stilts, as I recall out in the middle of the jungle and Amazon, will like four hours six hours by boat from any place like resembling the place of the hospital home no lights. So I went into the experience with the expectation that it would be like the book would be crawling. Make it in the jungle shooting and puking for six hours before I discover my spirit animal. So this is what I thought it was going into. So really I mean you know I got off seriously, but but it wasn't like acid right,
This is a week does yeah I mean I guess I gather you know I mean I didn't check myself. So it was. I mean. Win, though, is how deep are you an asset like many heads, or you know one or two or did you like, because I I used to hang out with guys like? I did eleven hit something right now. I was done with guys who sit around like you know. Take it to, much, I mean, I know when it's enough. You make your mushrooms in a result into a risotto first or do you do anything fancy back in the day we did to marinate the mushrooms in in honey. I think we married him honey overnight or longer and I would mix it in with big pot of hot tea and the whole kitchen would be drinking this tea all right along get it in honey. I make it a t, that's my new thing, I'm not suggesting you do that. I just think that we did it. You know you know that's what they used to use to preserve mushrooms back in the day yeah they used to preserve lemon honey, they would drive up and preserve lemon honey and they believe that that's that's one of the ways that people started getting in alcohol because
honey can ferment and become mead, and You know that eventually, like this is like one of Terence Mckenna's theories that people went from being a intoxicant oriented like with psychedelic mushrooms too, alcohol oriented not somehow another fuck society up at one time. We got a long way better. He has this I got a great hit it I it on history. Actually I was reading that coffee lately, you know when they first, the first coffee houses in England were quickly declared illegal by the government. They saw these as hotbeds of sedition and they closed them down. Why? Because up until point in history, most Europeans and most people in England wake up in the morning and drink mead, that's all they drank all day long. It was basically you know crude beer, homemade beer. So up. All this point in history. When people started drinking coffee in these coffeehouses, everybody in Europe could be counted on to be up all day long. So now
so coffee house with the first place in Europe where people would sit around in a state of sobriety and his people tend to do that. You know when you're sober you notice, shit and they're if you noticed are governments like really fucking us? The government was right, of course, because these first time that people were actually drinking a beverage and hanging out with their wits about them. It was seen as a really dangerous thing. Food for thought. That's fascinating! Well, that's exactly! What's going on with marijuana in this country trying to keep that away from people good good percentage of it is they're worried about people. Waking up, they're, worried about noble. If I was like you know, if I was president want to be like we elected for a visit with those really bad president or or or I want people to smoke, you know marijuana the ghetto. Basically, you know whose- this works. We generally we're we're everybody yeah,
California, everybody yeah, the people who support him back home every day every other week, smoking in voting frequency of voting. That's what I'm wondering is the only way you know it. The people like. Is there a huge? I fully factor for sure you know it's like I use some comedian was talking about this could take. I don't know who did it? It was the whole the whole bit about. But it's ever been, will never be voted in is legal because all the but supporters will forget to show up yeah right. I don't know who with who said it, but it was really funny. Yeah that is true, a good percentage. Well, you know this. My take on the amount of potheads are useless is just like my take on the amount of regular people that are useless. There's a percentage, whether it's twenty or thirty, of your pessimistic up to fifty percent of people. That are
fucking useless and it doesn't matter if you give him marijuana it doesn't matter. If you get him drunk they're, just just low what brains, I think they should change the law. You need one hundred percent turnout- yeah, that's that's gonna, be tough, but I've had some people that I know that have gotten to pot like late in life and it's completely changed the way they look at things like for the better. It helps you look like you haven't Smith, didn't start smoking weed until three years ago. Did you look? I got to get a lot of public figures out there who probably have benefited from early use of psychedelics. Unquestionably, I mean Steve Jobs, always talks about that that you know one of the most powerful experiences in his life was tripping on acid. I think so well respond. Well, I think John Mccain would be different,
in more interesting person, if you done acid at some point, is like are for sure for sure and would be so scared he would have a others would get out. Others I'd be worried about. I would be very worried about giving Michele Bachmann asked about some squeaky fromme ship right away, to argue with her husband of the masses and and then run, but I would like to do acid with Bill Clinton. Did you know you know Michele Bachmann's? I would be, as you know, we're talking about this I'd be shocked if the weather with Bill Clinton had done it. No, he he still yeah. That was all that nonsense and he didn't inhale is back in the day, but you know after his I did not have sex with that woman. All that I did not inhale really lost a lot of weight, yeah I'll, def, for that. Actually, just you know, I don't care, you know everything that he was accused of, I'm pretty okay with treating stuck at eighty, though yeah I really found unforgivable. You know I really found that despicable and connect really never forgive. I do not have sex
so technically. What what I understand as sexual relations is what I stand the term to be. For me, it's just unforgivable yeah. It's. I also wish that he had stepped up and said it's not of your fucking business. I wish you had said this is a ridiculous, private and you're trying to make it a big. So it's really amazing, like like the smarter. You are the higher you are in the in the public eye, the more powerful you are, the more likely you are to behave like the stupidest person ever be on like a lot of water. The twenty year old girls do not say in your previous research and yet readily available to do these into your resting officers. You know so so it's it's the that some alternate reality. You know exists. The Enquirer have got their hooks in you. It's time to
hang out. You know, I think it be certain people become delusional when they hit a certain level of notoriety. Like the President of the United States, I mean that level must be so intoxicating and when you're already kind of crazy, which most people who are run to become president in the first place, you gotta be at least a little bit, fucking crazy and then all of a sudden, you're there and the whole world is paying attention to everything you just feel like. You could just Dick in someones mouth, like what's the big deal I'd be a ticket in there. I was. I was thinking. My first order in my first first thing in office on the president is by the way, but it would make sure there was an in and out burger in New York City. We would need many chains many outlets of in and out here that much of a fan of in and out burger yeah. Of some of use the power of the government to make sure that happens. You love them that much it's I better that we don't have on the New York really
you have guys have five guys burgers yeah. I think we do five guys burgers pretty fucking good sentimental guy about this really fits exotic. To me I mean, I know, there's better burgers out there, but but it's something I like about. It, just get hooked on certain tastes. Yeah, I kind that there, their business model just goes against the sentence against the grain yeah. It's a good business model, it's kind of interesting. We always try to there and they never let us like shoot in there. We we've had we've had difficulties really, but we got a shot. What about the chick fil, a guy ever try to shoot his place is a guy that doesn't open on Sunday because it's the lords day Chick Fil A's, are closed on Sunday. So large day voting by by what, by eating their chicken you know anyway, hello right and it it really matter yeah. Does it really matter? I don't
if there is a really evil corporation. You know you know that they're, like you know there, all of their products are made by you in prison, children somewhere right, so probably fat matters, but the chick fil, a guy who believes in the baby Jesus. You know he doesn't want to work on Sunday, who gives a show yeah. I think they ended up burger guys are there was a religious component to the company, Greenpoint and underlying philosophy, but the point is it apparently created this link will be pretty cool business model for for fast food and it's an issue that I think about a lot because which economist somebody said somebody smarter than me. You know another fifteen years, we're to be a country ever in the country will be selling cheeseburgers to each other. That what Americans do. You know we don't make anything anymore really manufacturing is dropped to nothing we're into making know transformers seven and uh.
You know selling each other burgers before the economy. Even collapse. Putin was quoted as saying I don't understand the american economy. It seems that all they do is sell houses to each other. If I could rise right about that, you know about, I mean truthfully, I mean what are what is our? I think what we are best export is war and honestly now its culture, it's it's it history. It is I pretty close second music yeah for music tv anomalies. It is, it is our most powerful happen in our most powerful. I I think it's what we do best better or worse. I mean I agree one hundred percent, especially you know television and films. I mean you know as opposed to other countries, every now and then another country and make a good movie, but God Damn is a giant chunk of on the from this fucking wacky place, yeah. Do you ever go someplace where you go being from
Erica might be kind of touchy here have been where I thought that was going to happen, or in fact we were treated really really really really well like. Where would you work everywhere? In the arab world, hospitality's been uh evil Saudi Arabia. I was ill apprehend. You know they take a lot. Saudis, take a have a a different view of the world that I do for sure. But no, I think everywhere. I've been again it's kind of about. The people have been incredibly hospitable in places that I didn't expect up front. They would have any particular love for Americans. Vietnamese were incredible from the first time I went There a lot about history. There are you gonna asked at one point. I turn to somebody who was with us that aren't you guys pissed, you know what that's great About anything, yeah don't flatter yourself to life's hard out here. You know,
only fifty of use of special. Since you we for the Chinese, the Cambodia of the Chinese again before you, there was the French, the Japanese of the Chinese we've been at war for six hundred years. You know you were only around 4X, so they took a really special kind of Longview. If we stop fighting this week next week, you're welcome at my house, will hang out will talk, shop will get fucked up, doesn't rolls wow. Generally speaking, I mean so that's a place where people have been really hospitable and I didn't expect it well a lot of places. You know we should have favelas in Rio and basically, you know very we're very crime, ridden areas of Rio and Buenos Aires sort of hook up the local crime guy. You know whoever the
mayor of the block in the no no. No, this is our fix. It will contact. You want to shoot in this area, you're going need somebody, a local godfather or the hey, the crew or whoever controls that area in the real world? We have to contact comments. I listen we're going to make a point of coming at you, showing you respect, offering you a few dollars 'cause, it's never about the money. You know- and you will get to wander around and shoot your whole area of your city without fear of being shot or stabbed or robbed and and we do that again again and again, we just show the respect of acknowledging for better You are the boss of this neighborhood going to show you respect in front of your neighbors, and you will keep us from shop. Well were shooting in the neighborhood. But again it's it's just about it's a you know what a pain in people it's, what people are proud of, their food
chances are the proud of the neighborhood, proud of their friends. If somebody, press, is interested telling this story or or showing the world what they do. Particularly there. Food involved in local beverage. Chances are you're going to have a good time, you're going to be treated well in this world, one of most kind of heartwarming really cool home me moments was when you were in Naples and that guy took you into his house for Sunday dinner in a sort of a last minute. That was totally last minute, our our our our fixer head. It can hold, sup with the family. You know have a friend of a friend and not fell through it. Last minute, literally The car of my drivers, like you just come over to my mother's house I will cook, for you sure, she'll be on tv. I I'll tell her tomorrow. It was perfect, You know what is it is very walk in it. I knew this woman is like made for television. She was just so completely real and awesome and tough she's a change.
Cook and stir in the sauce. She had this way of talking pulling a talking about. Hey, hey was so amazing. Oh that was you. Couldn't you couldn't put that in Adam Sandler movie? People would think you were too over the top. It's really great. It's really great when you get lucky when, when you're shooting and something really amazing happens, you mean, and food looked jam in the way that meat was boiling in that sauce. Oh, Oh, it was bubbling. Let you know is on for hours and it was just going to just melt in your mouth. That show was one of those were totally did not suck making that show you know, and we all and everybody on the crew games like five pounds, I gained five pounds watching your fucking chills. I eat at night when everybody's asleep, that's what I want to show. I cook something and I'll sit in front of your show and eat way more than I should what I do generally, if I know I'm shooting in Rome or Naples anywhere in ITALY.
Or Eastern Europe with dumpling land. You know I'll make sure that the next show is in you know place, really impoverished land or or or with a really like. Maybe Vietnam supposed place the pretty light cuisine, dropdowns found out We learned our lesson. I think we did Britney and prove in a row. You know All crew were all together for the eighteen days in France, on of food. So you know we're ordering just liked lots of stuff everyone in the crew game. Eight ten How is it that people in France, with their incredibly rich diets, are thin? way thinner than Americans they move.
So what is the move around a lot yeah? There was paddling around the ship around doing all this crazy kooky your season should the loser out and you know, is it good news right walking their active they're, not a sedentary society that I will see them, and you know on saturdays, but it'll probably be the the same of the times of the day. The only practiced really maybe they have a tiny nibble of a muffin requests on a couple. Shooters a coffee get really Jack for coffee to get through. You know, maybe the taken into something. Maybe around one one o'clock in the afternoon. They knock off for a couple hours and eat a huge motherfucking meal and a lot of wine. Then they go back to work and they work till like seven or eight or nine. Sometimes, then they have maybe a light supper. You know, generally speaking, we're talking average, then a very low suffer, you know they're, not sitting down and doing now it all again about either lunch or dinner. So it really eaten only one big meal a day
A friend of mine went to a you know, not eating deep, fried macaroni. You know it at the right, macaroni assumes or okay, you know good, these burgers between the donuts or you know they don't do that. A buddy, my mine, went to the Lamborghini factory. You know my friend bud, who owns that show. Rides they film The construction of a Lamborghini, the first thing he says those fucking people know how to live, because, let me tell you something: first of all, the They go to work about ten, one thousand and thirty, no ones there like seven hundred am they get in. They were for a little bit. Then they eat a spectacular lunch with they have chefs, come in and make them the most incredible pasta and they sleep for a couple hours and then come back in and they work for a couple more hours and then they're done no ones working like twelve hours days at the Lamborghini factory. These artists, making these incredibly Wah Why can't we is it possible to sustain three hundred million people and have that sort of a work ethic Dan's be a way better place.
You know for a regular job in your view, working on your own. He should be able to do whatever you want. I said something I ask all the time you know my wife's, it's it's. You know and- and I spent a lot of time there and I look around at you- know guy. In their twenties and thirties, and how do you? but constantly asking myself. How do you live this way? Who? giving you money? Nobody seems to really people do work hard in ITALY, but you just tend to not see it. Big mother, fucking lunch every day, and I mean maybe a little gelato at four hundred o'clock in the afternoon. You get me a weeks of vacation a year France and ITALY to you know you get sick in the middle the night you you pick up a phone and call a doctor in Fifteen minutes later, some some young intern arrives on a motor scooter and shoots scooter up with. Never drugs. You need to feel better at your house just like like free or close to free. They don't even take tips. It's fucking nuts wow, they come to your house? Will come to your house old doctor bag,
Can you imagine you. Let me come quick, that's what happens when you have a small culture. When you have a call, are too many millions of people? You have fusion of responsibility thing you the numbers, you too big and there's no way you can rock that I don't have a rock. I don't know. Listen I still to to the. I don't know how they do it, but the do the priorities are very, very different, but I'll take a quality life does not suck does not talking how many people live. There told I don't know. It's not that many right. I don't know population of France, couple million each. What does it have? No, it's not like it's not like a major american city right. I do Think there are countries in Europe with fewer people than New York City for sure for sure. I mean New York City is the most amazing city on the planet, but I think that anytime, you jammed that many people in one spot you're asking for you ask for some unnatural reactions. You know
I'm fascinated by how well New York works. It's credibly efficient, mean by and large just watching. Seems like one of things I love doing in New York is driving everyone else hates to driving. I love driving in New York. I love how traffic used car should be smacking up again another, particularly where the taxis drive they're bombing up. You know up an avenue looking to hit the lights. Changing lanes, without even touching the directional there something really mystically cooperative about the way it all works. There's an ebb and flow to New York City traffic that when you get up- going to that wave. It's like birds in the Duscae, those big waves. When birds fly in those big waves, they don't hit each other yeah downtown when you hit every light, that's I hit by cab. So I used to drive in New York. Cab, sent me twice and they bolted both times. Those fucks I've been hit by I've hit here.
In a cab and been t boned twice in like three days, God Damn twice in three days, having never been involved in anything like that twice in three days, a few years back wow, was it both on the same side or do double size in the evening to go out, I just got out jumped into one of the know. That's one of those things that was was so was a light t bone. Was it we know he was driving away. She was actually one guy did drive away, but you know one remains with spy was a stolen car on the road. Clearly it appeared to be a stolen car because the guy got out of there awful quick on on rims. New York City just so fascinating experiment to stack people on top of each other? All in this one place and have all You know pretty much anything you need right there just do it. Do you own? A restaurant? No, no, I was a chef at a restaurant for many years. I've still involved with them. I don't know when is the last time you were in the weeds eleven years eleven years
Eleven the weeds did just give him shop. Talk, yes, it's been eleven years since I've been on the line regularly, since it's on how to show up and actually work station every day that was a fun show. When you did go back to your your your New York City, restaurant has yet late I'll, lay out yeah and yeah. We don't get a line. You come to terms some very quickly with mortality at leader limitations of you know, try to work, my old double shift. I did work. My old double shift, and I made it but. You know, I think it's five thousand four hundred and fifty three when I went back and did that shelf and I've been away for almost ten years. It is like riding a bicycle and that you, you could still do it, but your brain when you're a chef. Make your brain starts to turn to mush in your late 30s
You become less smart, less fast, less able to to to do. One thousand two hundred and thirteen things at the time is that is starts to fry. That is a big part of being a chef is not just about the artist you're preparing the food, but of juggling all these different, mostly timing them that eighty percent of it, even the great artists, look at the great the great chefs, they're great yes, because they're able to choose people make and professional relationships with those people such that they can execute their vision, their artistic vision. Again and again and again actually, this same every single day, rain or shine, and working in high ten in close quarters. Everybody you're gonna, we just the chef is, is it is a cook who leads and and a great chef is one who is both someone who's really creative and has a for lack of a better artistic style or vision or something to say, but the ability to
inspire loyalty and good performance in others is key. Absolutely it would be best bet. Cook in the world. If you can inspire others to execute that you ain't worth shit, I never got this from any other show before I watch your show for you watch your show. I got oh that guy cooks, good food. I really I mean I just compartmentalized. I don't have enough room in my brain for everything you know can't focus on everything. So I'd see certain things and I learn his little eyes. I need to know I like this kind of food that tastes good. All that guy's a good cook awesome eat his food. I know I thought about it and in terms of the complexity or the effort that goes into it. I really never thought about it that much until your show, that's why it was so fascinating to me it's hard. Glamorous work. The time the chef becomes, the chef that you know by the time you know their name chances are there I'll work on the line anymore, but that they spent most of their adult lives,
standing there doing, something that is very similar in many ways to work in a production line and in an auto factory. You know you put in the nuts of the balls in the same places. Exactly every time and just as well, and then one guy pops out like a Wolfgang puck or the the emerald dude that is on fucking sitcom. Well, there. You know guys, like emerald, didn't pop out. Actually that's a guy who worked his ass off for a really long time in restaurants. Became well known, was offered a show, wasn't particularly good, one show after another fail in the network stuck with, but more importantly, he's stuck with it, and he a very he became a very improbable in a superstar. If you look at those early shows, it's just you know he does everything so many things wrong. As far as what you expect of a classic. You know the friendly guy, you know he's got the thick accent, he's kind of little
awkward up there. That was really charming and he really audience like that. But you know he his ass up there, he didn't just said he wasn't like me, an overnight success guy. You know he is drilling away for years, but What I'm, what I meant by is. It also needs force in he's forcing the public consciousness that he's launched like emeralds like there's. A few guys is like the Wolfgang puck's is, if you're not paying attention. These are the guys that you hear about if you're not paying attention because they're, you know they're both gone you've been around a long time and done really important things, both off tv and and on tv. But it's interesting that he's. They love him for his personality, so like personality, so good, we're going to ask you to fake it now if there is any in a sit com well for for old for a long time, you know chefs a lot of just got into the business because they were awkward. They felt awkward. They were shit at words or J, really don't didn't feel comfortable in a straight business environment. Do
you the kind of running away from something they send something about themselves? That that that said, all all of the things that tell you subconsciously bad communicator, you know shouldn't be out there talking to regular people on a regular basis trying to do normal business. Those are things that people to cook and yet suddenly they find themselves. You know with me via coaches and people, trying to train them to be themselves on camera, and it's it's a huge industry and a strange strange one, yeah You are at a quote once we said that the guys that got into becoming shafts were the second, the two sons traditionally in european culture. You know if the family family only afford to to one kid to college college, pick the the son and they invest what little money they had in that enterprise. The other one would join the family business or go to go to the hotel school be to learn. You learn to be Prentice to some craft. You know some trade and for a lot of people that
hotel school. So a lot of the great chefs they came out of that kind of situation. Certainly, when I started cooking, it was the misfit who ended up in the restaurant business in a life threatening sack? We turned out the way they expected, or maybe there's a a quick. You know it's a temporary you know you know, there's always a job for you. If, if, if you presentable reasonably intelligent, there's always are you on the floor of a restaurant as a waiter, and you'll enjoy in that, though, right you take joy in being one of the misfits That's why I got in business. It was running away with the circus. It was fellow misfits and refugees who who really just could hacking anywhere else ended up in this enterprise. So that was the first time I've ever seen or heard it described like that was listening to you talk about it. I had never thought working in a kitchen to be like that yeah. Well, it was a lot of fun.
It was. It was a lot of fun. I think how many people have worked in one education there. So many things to love about it that special about it. You see people again, again I used to see these guys that come out of like the mountains of Afghanistan, like the tribal areas of Pakistan, really conservative background, never been any city until they came to New York. They're working in a restaurant is busboys. Four weeks later, some a mother, fucking cock, sucking son of a bitch. You know rap that you basically, Immediately adopted sort of the worst of New York, culture is a speech but they're also. You get so smart about about human behavior when you're a bust boy or a waiter. You see so much of it. Being a bartender. You learn way more about human nature than you really want to learn. You know you didn't get
have to be a psychiatrist in the order and enable or a doctorate. In the end, that's kind of what you become when you're your bartender with regulars, Sending people in the restaurant business get this really unique view. The world perspective on the rest of the world,. This is a unique position to be a bartender to be the sober person serving everyone drinks. Whether all is falling apart and be talking to you gets to some it gets the somebody could do for it. It gets to some people. I knew a bartender who, drinking with him. Do my shift drink with him after after I worked a lunch service, and this I was telling me you don't have to ten twelve years in the business. I don't know if I can do this much longer now. I just don't know if I could do it and I said why watch this he takes three glasses and presses the sponge rinse them with the with kosher salt and put some under the bar he comes in, sits down. I like a salty dog
salty dog. She drinks it she orders another. He has a second glass for uh, drinks that then she gets such okay that that that's enough for me gets up, makes it halfway to the door. Looks at the ground. Second thought goes back to the bar orders. Of third point is, he had three glasses ready. He knew this is a. This was a call. Okay, I am helping her on her way due to her of the destruction, and I just I can't hack it. You know, I I have too many customers like Well, ultimately, if you're in the bar every night, you know
bars are great once a week bars are great once a month. If you can, you know once a month we stay healthy. The feeling, good, your immune systems up you've been eating vitamins and eating. Well, just get up would still would come on everything's good with you doing that every night do go to cure you of the nightclubs. Real fast is working in a club, and I work because I love and I was in, and I will never you never again. You know any place was to do with the background. I've already got the other door yeah. Yeah. I did some security work at a concert center mass to Massachusetts, great woods. You have to see people that, like Neil Young Concert, people fucked up in the crowd I would never want to be. Apart of anything like that, every I knew that I'd like nineteen, I'm like I gotta, get the fuck outta here this place. I worked at, they were sued like two three times a week. You know which I guess you you are when you're in the nightclub business, because there's always some boneheads you come in. You know pick a fight
bounces throw him out already. There's a lawsuit. It doesn't mean a credible one, but people are when be suing your. Your your competition are going suing you, the fire department, is going to be harassing you brutal. It's amazing that people can sell alcohol at all. It's amazing! It's amazing! You know that little the people can afford to have bars begin afford to to sell alcohol at all, because you would think that people getting to it could cost so many fucking problems they could be sued for just was? It was an education. I think it's like two years at this very busy New York nightclub and just the people would leave them in the in the bathroom, select or try to flush down the toilet. We haven't been that clean up. I would always come by the kitchen with his discoveries of the night. It was book in what officials Liam of my God it was. The women's rooms were actually always always worse way. Worse, your people were like just to win. I mean this is incredible. You know how
defying you know, museum there tells the story of human behavior. They just don't want to know it's fucking, Alka, home and wind them up and set him loose, had a buddy who was did his residency in Miami, and he said on Friday and Saturday nights people would come in with light bulbs up their ass is just impossible things. You know mostly shoved up their asses bullet holes. People just get popping off. It really. Truly is amazing that you can sell alcohol. You can't sell weed. What a beautiful thing they've done. It makes no sense at all, plus we makes it we grow such good weed in this country. It would be a huge major export, I mean who grows better. We did us, nobody, there's, no better botanist and these southern California assholes these guys, assholes. I said with all love What they've done done now is incredible. Look at this shit! This is a marijuana electric cigarette, perfect for playing back.
You could smoke this on a plane, wow, it's one of those electronic cigarettes and it's got weed and it fucking scientists, wow they're, taking it to the next lap. But science is great, but it's amazing, but unfortunately, they're still getting arrested, for it. There's still people that are getting. Apparently, Obama said that he was only going to go after people who violate both federal and state law, but I don't know if that's been ok. Pretty easy to violate state law to yeah I mean, I think we should we should we're we to do we're going to allow people to smoke, weed that we should be making money off as yeah as a nation. Selling, selling, serious wait till like Europe and. Do you ever go to Mexico yeah. I love Mexico. We never go to look bored towns, but I've been maybe like would like this. It was actually just we just we just to show it. We just did a show there yeah I mean it's crazy. What we would consider a pot, what violence more people been killed in Mexico during the drug wars. Then then you know, I think, bo.
Gulf Wars and Afghanistan, I mean there's some spectacular number of people as far as water down there in american troops, huge numbers. What you know I have not a clue what to do. It doesn't help You know we're selling them guns, but there is no doubt that that people that they would get him from somewhere I've, never had never seen it the many times in Mexico. You know: what's your favorite place in Mexico, I love Puebla, so you've never seen any drug violence at all. I have not seen up close the drug violence. I've been in really drug. I've been in like super druggy, neighborhoods and and five l as in Brazil and elsewhere, but but on MAX I was with the local dealer right. That's what I'm saying I mean this at work in Mexico. Good you do something could be safely go to a style cartel neighborhood, with a car Tell guy.
The level of violence is so spectacular there. I wouldn't want to be complicit. You know what I mean you're. Currently you know people's heads off by the by the dozens. You know what you know. It's one thing have you ever been around someone like that in another country in investment people, I have met people and unseen. It's of my show, with people who have done very, very bad things in their lives, no question about it, um they Currently, at the time of the show other than you know, there was some low level guys for sure who clearly were drug dealers. They said as much they said. Can you please shoot just this side of the street 'cause this side is my drug operation. When you make you make a. You make concessions compromise, you know. Morally, and otherwise, when you take advantage of the situation, that the only way you're going to shoot the neighborhood is to have a local drug dealer hold your hand, that's what you do you or you choose not to depending
and in Mexico the level of violence is so spectacular and ac. Presumably the major dealers out there are killing large numbers of people in on a regular and ongoing basis. I would feel bad it's that's not an arrangement in arena. And would you have to go into some sort of a similar arrangement, if you were ever to go to the Congo. Would you have to know whether a good question but who who's the row also there's there's uh? What does that, even though a lot of even saying the rebels were there a lot of well, there are. There are various malicious for sure yeah. You gotta ask yourself that all the time in the same way, when really we try to be really nice to you in countries where you're not free. To speak your mind, Cuba would would be an example. You know China near the bottom border. You know when you you have to you, have to understand when you're talking to people on camera, you into their homes and they fed you and they've. You know got they've been maybe well
more frank with you on a personal level. Then then they're probably suppose do as government functionaries when they're good to you and everything they said was going to happen happen, the way it was supposed to and they didn't they weren't too clumsy, and they didn't try to have fist you. Basically we get to go back to New York. They have to stay there, so if I back in and start sizing has severely as I might it's something always have to weigh people who were good to me in these countries, they're gonna need a very bad place if I go back to New York and make this really to show all about China. To that I mean my opinions on it, but for the sake of the people I leave behind shooting my mouth. I can say what I want about China anytime, I want and you have, and I suffer no consequences. Anyone ever nice to us will be suspect where to start really going off on a tangent up on the issue on the show that these people help me make same in Cuba, do make certain compromises, because people are
straight with you as they can be. They do the best value you there, people who are nice and the senses if I was trying to do the best they can, whether you agree with their system or or despise it uh, but the other day you gotta ask yourself, so I really want to put you know it might make more. Entertaining or truthful television. Television, they're, going to be in a fuckin cell. The crime of being nice to me are being honest with me. That's something we gotta ask ourselves all the time. Well, I know you you can put that in the show like this show in Cuba, but is there anything that you could just raising you to talk about? Well, I that could have gone on and on and on about. You know history of the regime and what they've done right, many of them incredibly unpleasant, to say the least. Can make the show about that. I kept it very. I tried very hard to keep the focus on. Does it look pretty? Is it worth looking at? Is the food good? Are the people nice? They were really try to avoid any
fix at all, but it was amazing when political is always political when you sit down to eat 'cause the fact that and not eating much beyond rice and beings. That is already a political statement. It says a lot more about a culture that they may want you to see it's dangerous information, but but there it is so were they allowed to complain about that at all. Do the cautious about doing that they made sure that they did. They didn't, say anything they could they gather some, but actually let issue pretty much anything anything. We asked to shoot the letter issue. I I think they trust the clue trusted us. The sauce, show other parts of the world in a relatively non judgmental way and the fool Actually or not sure we are foolishly, there will be differences of opinion, I'm sure for whatever reason they trusted us to calm and they pretty much. Let us wander around, shooting They tried, of course they. You know there was definitely.
Concern over who we'd be talking to and what they might say. But you know everybody. Everybody has to be careful about what they say. Everybody changes. Behavior when they talk to you to a certain extent, you don't bring up certain subjects because they're gonna work Does the government have any say they they they pull you aside to they say what is it with how you gonna had a range of other students who, through the government I mean nothing happened, you don't go wandering around Cuba with the television crew without the government become involved right, whether you know it or not, hello. Did you get involved in any of the questions that they asked about the you obviously have a major creative influence were, make it any show ever where they, the mission or the local police or any other person, has final or approval over what we're showing you. We have approval over what we're allowed to shoot, but how we
that back in New York and what we say you know you're on your own. It's too adult you signed a release valley ever ever ever ever ever happen did they expressed any concern about any of that. It seems like they, they were very, I think, they're very, very shrewd about tourism they and what it is that people want to see in Cuba, which is the old Cuba of of Godfather two. That's what we want to see, and it's still there they've been really smart about not fucking that up. So these are stupid. Unsophisticated people, a commie, functionaries, okay, there, they understand, they have a problem. They. I think everybody understands that the regime is. Is going to change. I people everybody kind of holding breath in the country waiting to see what happens next and I think what happens next is like completely in blindingly obvious to everyone and Castro dies. They open everything up, pretty pretty damn quick and then everything gets better way better for the cuban people, sort of.
Sort of we can, yes, I assumed gonna lose certain things, though you gonna lose those guys arguing. You know it's easy for me like. I really don't want to see a brand new holiday and on the waterfront of of the medical on in Havana, because it's one of those beautiful stretches of of anywhere anywhere but easy for me to say I'm not cuban, my home You know you know I have to say I I had no moral problems going Q. Well, let's put it that way. But I've since met a lot of Miami Cubans who take a very different view of going to cuba- and it is been pointed out to me- one guy came up to me and we were shooting at his restaurant. It was just a complete coincidence. After the court or Cuba show there, this guy was pissed. It had clearly been a big issue with his house. He was, really struggling to contain his anger and be courteous, which he was incredibly curious, and he said
but just need you to look at this picture and he takes him back, which is a picture of his dad who ran basically uh. He sold fish so I always thought that you know people lost their homes and and ran off to Miami in a world. You know the rich, should the you know the basically? No. This was a what. It was Tony's and my father was an ordinary businessman in who worked hard in a selling fish catching fish and selling fish, and they took his business and ended his wife. We could That's something you know it was a very hard show to balance. Let's put it that way. How to imagine it's going to be so strange to just hop from one culture to the next one unique insight into this total, different environment and then another one just is extremely different. We really hope to shoot in Libya in January. We hope to shoot some talk to me about this at the UFC we wanted
not bad I mean I ideally would have been there when they got get off Gaddafi, but I why friends there have been in and out people we work with some of the some of the dicey are places we work with some very the security guys and some of the I have been working in Libya lately. And we were getting sort of dispatches of what life's like there, and these guys were. Hardened professionals, who've, been around they've, been a lot of wars. They've seen a lot of conflicts um in many ways you would You would probably call the mercenaries in an earlier day. But they were really rough sentimental about Libya. Like dude. It's awesome what's happening here. You should come. You know it's like all these young people from all over the world. You know of libyan back, or they will come in here and like welding machine guns on their on their pickup trucks. There it's really magical thing and I'm actually thinking of pitching in apparently
you know it's nice to see the bad guys actually lose right it, is, if it's that clear, you know I mean That's. I think, that's exactly what I'm getting at. Where you know not a lot of people would look at Gaddafi and say well, that's I would be unhappy to see his head being kicked across the public square. I wouldn't be uh happy seeing that you know, but I don't think yeah good good Duffy's about as big a piece of in the world of you know. Rulers as you can get he's a he's, a nice villain. He was a good black cat. It's it's a it's a feel good for everybody and and they're doing it. The basically I mean there there's NATO support, but basically doing it from September that Guide General Wesley Clark remember that guy ran for president, while back he picked did all of this in two thousand and seven on. One miles CNN or one of those fucking shows
where he got on the he talks about the the United States is agenda. As far as acquiring you know, natural resources all over the world in Libya was right in the pile Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, with all these different countries, were in need to describe it all in two thousand, seven and slow. Only but surely all these things are getting implemented. I think it. I think, what we're seeing in Egypt and Libya and Syria and Tunisia, I think, actually, what we're seeing is something we didn't protect predict predict. We didn't make it happen. It's happening, it's anyways frightening to us I mean I, I think the fact that all these, The topic is not necessarily good for our american business interests. I happen to think it's a really good thing: happy to see it like. I don't really care what kind of site guys take over Egypt, just the fact that even the bad guys end up running Egypt again. The fact that they could it was
possible to get it take a top of those particular bad bastards who been around forever. It was unthinkable a year ago to your average Egyptian that their government that things would ever change ever in their lifetime or their children's lifetime, and it was unthinkable of these dynasties would ever fall really kind of awesome, just the fact that it sends a mess that it could happen. You know, I think it's a good one I don't think it falls into the you know, I'm waiting for that big payday from a rock that was supposed to know where we supposed to be pumping their oil straight into american coffers. Right now that ain't going to happen, think you know, depends on who you're paying attention to or who you want to believe when it comes to that world. But you know there's a lot of people that believe that we've hit some sort of a peak oil stage and what they're trying to do is just control all the areas where which would be absolutely necessary when we will get to the point where we're going to have to start rationing things we do a really big bad job, then, because the Chinese, basically snapping at all up mean everywhere. You go in Africa now and said: oh look,
nice new bridge we have the Chinese bought and paid for everywhere. You go like this is amazing. Every major infrastructure does moment that you see in places like Liberia, uh other african countries have been too it's like. This is really shuffle Chinese were here: blood full Chinese and they bought all their own they'll need fifty percent of the world's oil. I think in like another, maybe it's ten years soon China alone will need when I first China was like everybody's on bicycles and there's cars. Second time I went it's like thousand and fifty now it's just cars cars. As far as in how much time is this win ten years wow, it's still just accelerating in China, it is you know
he said the Serbs of Welcome Future Masters soldier overlords and we welcome you to so. Is it? What is it just? The the the way they've they handle business is different China now because they were much more strict as far as commerce and things right, they had much more rule. They have no communism on their necks right will but will be in a lot of ways wait. A minute you want to make China like a competitive, free, kill us then the really dangerous, 'cause there's a lot of them. The really hard. They they've been put the they're willing to work to get things. That's all an advantage over. You know we're entitled. We feel entitled we've It's been good for us. You know I grew up with a generation where we were. We were taught that it automatically. You know Those would be better than our parents. Took that as religious dick tonight, straight from God, you know
I was disappointed somewhat, but basically I'm lazier than most of the people I was is to be lazier, and I am lazier than the great majority of well. You see in China and India, for instance, who you know. Seeds of you know, it's not axing. You see these people taking double majors You know the parents were rice. Farmers you know, in the kids are now in university ferocious. Really competitive. You know that's what that's what it's about the desire for a different life. We we got that life already, can be hard to dangerous competitors well It's there already are landlords. So it's really! You know what in the world of the future, the more we intermarry with the Chinese the more attractive our kids are going to be and we're definitely gonna be eating better right.
So how bad can it be? Well, it could be, could be one of those factors. Work is at con com that hits that suicide net drunken leap off the top of the building. You know they have those nets all around the building from killing themselves. You get rough if you've been to China, no, never there you go to China is certain major chain hotel, the you know, Hilton and and in New York. It's like not the to my mind, it's not the greatest Tell ever, okay, you! Hilton Shanghai, it is fucking lux. Any chain hotel in Shanghai or Beijing. A western hotel the level excellence and technical superiority required expected there is so higher than in New York. They just at that level sort of people who who, who stay at one of these hotels in Shanghai or a lot. Richer and more demanding than their equivalent in New York, so level
luxury in development that you see in places like China, where you know Jesus gives of dysfunctional government. You would think so. According to the communist affects right, you know: how can we get this, get a great rail system and how come there. Hotels are nicer than ours. How can internet coverage is better? I can I can get us. You know five bars of my cell phone anywhere in China. You know like the deepest darkest valley. Asin to know where you to use you, you start it is terrible night on it. I'm an american I'm, a new Yorker, never destruction of the world. I believe this absolutely and positively, but you know at the end of the day, it's like I have to start the goodness of the. If you know you know the New York Subway system to say that You know the New York City Subway system, certainly not the best in the world. It's good idiotic. To pretend that it is we held the crown somewhere thirty, whatever years ago, it was whatever was where we were. The shining light of civilization was in one thousand nine hundred and seventy whatever year it was, but we still
have like, like the great the great weapons we most powerful nation on earth that I think largely based on on the really the the danger of our culture. You know, people went introduced to rock and roll will eventually topple their governments, I think, has worked here, but Broadway tell Rick Perry gets in office. No, I think, are great cultural expo it's, been rock and roll rap music. Clearly it makes people want to You know whatever it is, they see they, they kind of wanted one form or another. That kind of want some form of that so in your experience and all these other countries, and when you see all these different regimes getting toppled, you don't think there's any american influence in these things happen. I think, with a guy like really you know, I see I I've I've. Actually I will I'm a ci, a nerd. I don't want to like, like I'm, not a gamer, but I'm a guy who, but to eighty five years ago start
reading up on the Kennedy assassination got completely obsessed with that, and then it just I'm one of these guys. I read footnotes and a footnote leads me to another book to another book and I disappear down the rattle for ten years reading everything. So I'm really did you ever best evidence, oh yeah um, my feeling is we're just if history has taught us anything and if you read all of the documents from all of the controversial periods of CIA operations, since you to be very good at these things and and everybody rats and writes a book about it would meet Lee after so if it went well, you can be sure you'll be reading about or would be leaked to a magazine by now you know so I just I don't think that's so sad. I don't think we're that good and I certainly don't think we have much of an appetite for controlling the universe. I think we're doing it. We seem to work very working very hard to hold the damn um.
So you think the speculation about the the CIA being involved, but they probably just very, very peripherally involved, there's just happening no matter what this is a very major CIA operations going on right now without it without doubt, but I think this notion that there's an office somewhere where the whole fate of the world is to sort of decided what countries would would fade over the next ten years, we're just not that good and we're not definitely not that secure this always we have three people know about some of his greatest argument about the Kennedys. You know the nine eleven conspiracy theories et it's of the Kennedy assassination Looney tunes, if basically in this country, three more than three people know about a thing. One of them is going to be on the stand crying about it, the other guys going to be writing a book about it. Maybe two guys will keep their mouths shut. I think today, I don't during the time of the Kennedy assassination, it would have been that difficult to hide things. I think Things were less much less transparent back then were today yeah, but his death. What's great about history,
eventually, if you're willing to wait around someone to my viewing to my view. If you will wait around around every boring grim detail will will eventually come out and if you is in the Kennedy said so someone I don't understand it. They describe the mafia theory as the way house for failed conspiracy theories. A didn't, do it it it's like I'll, be it was the mafia. You know and there's, of course, there's all this great evidence to support that theory. But ultimately, I'm I'm of the Azabal got a lucky shot. Really, I read best evidence and that's one of the reasons why I first started believing there was some sort of a conspiracy that was one of the one of the first things that I saw that maybe really reconsider, but later in life. The thing that really got me was the northwoods document, you never heard of that, it's something that they drafted in the 1960s or nineteen. Fifty where sixty one and sixty two were Kennedy actually vetoed it and all that
chiefs at the the joint Chiefs of staff signed it then we're going have fake american terror attacks we're going to get a plane, we're going to have a drone, plane, exploded and say a bunch of people died and they were going to attack, go on top bay. They were gonna arm cuban friendlies to attack one time a day because we want to go to within this was of this. Was this cuban missile crisis error? Now we will have to do their work. There were so many complete. This is what it to me. What's in Resume Kennedy assassination conspiracy, it's a it was so much is wacky shit going on around that time. So much but embarrassing criminal scary, funny really silly going on at that time. That, in fact least interesting thing about the entire. You know big picture of the Kennedy. Assassination is the actual assassination itself, because what everybody else was up to at the time and covering up was just like
break out of the movie the CIA. His meeting with you know, Johnny Roselli and all these big mafia guys the blackout out. Astro know there was this so much other embarrassing shit going on that in many ways, those stories and where they lead or a lot more entertaining and complex and fun. Then Then a story of a guy. You know shooting a present so if you believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, what do I do about when you see the the like the Oliver Stone movie? Does that drive you crazy? It would have. I would like to feel a lot better if they just stuck with the historical record, and he invented scene, the characters. You know, which I thought was as as a Kennedy assassination, Bolin Character did exist and there were just certain things were just do mention that the garrison jury was out for, like thirty seconds, please mention. The Jim Garrison is a man of many interesting local uh,
a man with an interesting past. Let's put it that way as well way that they did not. It did not not a reputation. That was debatable. Let's put it that way, which is never good. The case was bad. I mean he put it very interesting, stuff together and there was all of it was like fascinating and a lot of ways. A lot of it was almost more interesting than there wasn't. I don't believe in the Octopus theory, I think- lot of really interesting, very spooky characters who've been doing a lot of really sinister an interesting shit for a long time, whether or not they were actually involved in the Kennedy assassination is almost moot because they were up to some really other wacky stuff did the math bullet theory bother you at all. I think, if you and I have talked to people who serve and combat for a long time, the story of the buddy who gets around hundred in front of his helmet
rolls around subcutaneously around the skull and enters out. The back without hurting the guy is everybody's. Got shit, happens, shit happens, I'm I'm will to believe that magic bullet theory. I would be willing to believe it, except for the fact that they came up with it, because a guy got hit with a ricochet under the bridge, so they had to attribute everything to three shots, and I was like that she seems like fucking shifty, but I don't know what it's what they call, but when you've eliminated all the other suspects, you know you're left with the likely truth. I think- and I
hi to my satisfaction with kind of eliminated. The other suspects Woody Harrelson's dad didn't have any part of it. Was the leg room, one of the leaders, it's a great you know was not part of God. Every Howard Hunt was supposed to be yeah. You know, everybody's there Donald was very wise. That's a sexy wise! It's, not legal yeah log next month. Do you follows candidate. The whole deal it's way more fun. To think that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Patsy, but remember he was a really interesting guy. If you, I think the book that got a close got it most right. Who is a boy fiction, the Libra by Don Delillo or it it's really gets inside oswalds head, I mean Oswald was a guy who who his it shows a teenager? Was I led three lives about an undercover FBI agent? He was intelligent, who's, a spy junkie in world today's world. He been a been a gamer
United game. He wanted to be he. He was a guy who kind of wanted to be to do big things and he tried very hard. He wanted the Super secret KGB agent. He wanted the super secret. You know want to be a marine. He probably to the FBI a couple of times he was just a guy who wanted to do something big. So I don't have a problem by she had no problem with the allegations of them, fixing autopsy photos. I have a problem with all of it because I was a bit lost in it for ten years, but that the Kennedy family, we had very good reason to ask for it. You know the brain I mean he had Addison's disease and the implications of Addison's disease towards the any history were not favorable. You apparently I don't know, but apparently it has been said that he had multiple bouts of syphilis. This is you know you don't want the family didn't want to press right people,
as part of the record. It was a lot of the syphilis holla at your boy days. You know get a better than it was worth it, I'm felonies and in large doses it at that early. In his point, who knows what it is? He had a Dr Max Jacobson, I believe, I believe, was the name he did have a doctor who would shoot him with the vitamin b b12 and amphetamine according to one of the b, twelve mixed with speed. That's how that do is not uncommon. In certain levels, it was very low society think to do back, then it's five hour, energy drink, that's what it is. Twelve and a lot of people didn't even know that was he was the original doctor. He was known as Dr Feelgood and that's where the name came from doctor. I believe it was Dr Max Jacobs tonight. I don't know legend: very wow sort of doctor to the stars back in the war Hall and Kennedy's disease. Would it happen. It was at a motor skill thing. What is it that item really there were. There are in the symptoms, the possible symptoms. I
there can be emotional emotional content to the disease, so theoretically could have affected judgment it was. It was unflattering believe he was in a lot of. This was a got a lot of pain too. Supposedly right yeah. But then you don't want to talk about these things and I think a lot of people ran around a circle covering things up for their own reasons. In fact, most of them had really terrible things to cover up that back. Then things really fascinating. When you think about it, it's not that long ago, I was, I remember, being sent home from school when, but I you know? I go for the simple explanation. Much of the time that's a good move. I keep myself. I keep the crazy open. I opened the door for crazy because I've seen some things. I'd, leave it up but I agree with you most of the time I go with a simple door with crop.
Circles in Ufos in the Loch Ness Monster and Bigfoot. Most of time. I go for the simple door. People are full of shit and that story sucks. That's how I usually go, but I leave the door for crazy over. Did the New moon landing photos, they just remove the other day, look very convincing, but If I was going to be from a company that fake the moon landing, I would definitely take some pictures about it. Fuck it Well, Richard Branson will be there like within the next five years. Right will have a hotel on the moon. No doubt about it he's definitely going to get people into space apparently, but it's going to be like for like two hundred thousand dollars for something they've already built were driving through New Mexico. Arizona I forget where and when this tiny little town and said do you know about the airport airport there got going out there who is Bill bill to launch center he's built the launch center? I think that they're ready to go go to space selling tickets. You do it already. What I do it totally yeah,
have to to imagine the view. The view would be whatever view that you would get doing like high doses of mushrooms in the dark by yourself. Probably wouldn't be as spectacular, is looking at the earth from forty thousand feet above it or you know more than that, rather whatever it is. When you hit space what it would be good one hundred miles, what is it? What is it? Wouldn't your letter mom lets in beta tested a little bit whatever the space shuttle is. When you see that those photos, when you get the full circle of the earth, I mean that just must be I would totally do that changing to live grants like wait, you know that's a little bit a little steep yeah, I'm going to travel Channel crossed that up for a percentage of dvd sales. That's happened season for us yeah, you you! You supplement your income, though doing a speakings to write. You go and do that. You found respect for your basically do, stand up for me talking about a lot of issues at a lot of things but know you know 'cause a lot, a lot of the same theaters,
forty of them a year. If you don't to laugh every sixty seconds you gotta problem. I would think you would have a lot more levity, a lot more room for it. Still it's you know they. You want to laugh every sixty seconds and if they don't, if, if not a sixty second, the one, the Cubs in two minutes really funny of because I had to wait for it and I've really learned a lot of things. I mean I've done so many gigs. Now and I didn't understand you know it. I didn't realize I becoming a stand up comic book. That's also because I am I am I'm starting it. You know you you, you so totally understand why comics so many comics drink and when you we have a really good night. I I come. We like to put that kind of depressed by it. Really out right, the the the the
the pressure of not knowing where you're going to do well, it's like being in a ski jump like it's all decided. You know. How am I going to do on this jump? You don't know when it when the things going to be beep beep and before you head down the shoot you just don't know, you know you go and feeling really bad one night and you kill and then another night you go when you're all pumped up, you think you're one hundred percent, and it's just like you're out there we got done. But but it's just weird, just like the bartender I was talking about before, you start to learn. You know, where to lean. You know what word to come down hard on, how long the wait, It is this terrible information that you know I feel guilty. Why is it terrible. Because it's been essentially it's manipulative and when you're interviewed a lot or when you're doing the same routine a lot. You know you part to someone, will ask you off camera or off stage a question to know something that you just.
You are doing bit. You know you slide into it and We actually talked about this last night in the stage of the past leader, but you're, very humble you're, very humble. In the way you you approach things and that's one of the reasons why you're such an interesting guy and one of the reasons why your opinion is is so respected, but when your when you're talking about this, that it's it, what you're doing is all you're doing is getting the thought to them as efficiently as possible in a method that your already successful at it still what they need. It's what they want to hear it. Even though you've already answered it exactly this way before, you tend to think there's something wrong with that, because it's not best, but you know the right way to say it. It is the right tool to use. I toured by basically had an evolving thing. I started out talking and it became certain things works things didn't but over time would it would become. You know it an hour of solid,
comma and had to had a material and had to be material, be material like I go out, it's like nothing but golfers and golfers it off shit. I we checked up. I mean I've done casino at the casinos like belligerent, you know, drunks I mean I really. How did you get started doing this? I went out I went out on. I was doing a lot of book tours in the book, the books, the bookstore crowds. Getting bigger and bigger, and so then they start booking me in halls, the bookstore, you know some, but I'm just looking to sell books. I stand up there then then I talked for awhile, but my book I read from my book and then and then you know I signed the book. I started doing talks. While on book tour, and then there are people who do this. Speakers bureaus. You know you want some macro economic MAC Macro Economy, guided to talk about that. You know you need some dick jokes. Whatever you know with speakers, bureau will have someone are you? Presumably you know, and they just took me up and I started first doing a few corporate gigs and then theater promo
start booking me. So I just years now is it is the local I'm sure we weren't so many of the same place and I'm sure and it it just suddenly. I found myself. Well, you know I got an hour and then q QA for another forty five minutes or until it's not fun, not a poop jokes but you know your eyes where the but it's got you know I've run up to this wise, enjoying your Carlos Mencia Shit so much because they know you run it and come up to this uh. This point after two years with what I've done. All the major cities now with this routine, and it's been quoted in repeated in in the local press. And chances are, if I said it in the first place, to live at some point earlier in my career I may have written interpreted in the show, so you reach this point set, I need another Wheatley knew our and that's hard. It's very hard that is, that's what plagiarism and up comedy a lot of it comes from desperation they just
but that guy's case it's a little different he's just fucking crazy, but some of them they just need a new hour and they just get a little little funky. You know it's just as funny. If you say somebody else said it, you know, like all I'd say you know, Review Chambliss, said and then I'll I'll say the thing and it just. It was a really good flick collide. But that's why I use that you know the spirit of it, though, is different. The spirit of repeating someone in quoting them is very different than claiming it for yourself and that's where it gets tricky. You know stand up comedy is a fucking weird art form and it's if there's any lies at all and and people are angry, you know this, the bullshit and very faking it like. That's, not even his fucking name mean his name is really not Larry. The cable guy people will get mad man, they'll get mad if you're honest about the whole package will accept a character. I mean I'm exaggerating, obviously, but they. Finally, you don't really think the way your talking on stage is just bullshit, yeah
I'll. Take that with the casino I did Dan Harris Lake Tahoe and you know it was that I never had a crowd like this. You know they were drunk gamblers. They were already heck. They were heckler. I've never been heckled other than occasional vegetarian, but just drunk aspect. They were just heckling because there was because they were trying to they were friendly hackers right, but I just never never can That is that's a skill you gotta learn. Yeah! Well, I started out doing really bad clubs. I did a lot of. I did strip clubs where I did a gay Do that a rather MC to Jack and Jill Strip Club in Woonsocket, Rhode, island with a guy would strip and a girl was trapped. I've done some horrible horrible places and the when you do a lot of bars and a lot of like comedy nights in bars. You gonna get hecklers yeah though it's it's it's it's all good. I mean it's fun, it's it's! It's fun! It's exhausting!
Reese craves us. It's a rush for sure when you have the perfect word to say Heckler gets shut down. Everybody starts laughing. Tell me that doesn't feel like the most awesome shit ever yeah. That's nice I get a bit younger. Thank you very much for doing this man. This is fun as hell. It was all I really enjoyed it man. Thank you very much. Thank you. This is a this is but a dream come true. Thank you very much because huge fan of the show, and I geeked out when I met you in Vegas, so I was cool as fuck having you on the show. Thank you. Thank you to the flesh life for sponsoring the podcast. If you go to Joe Rogan dot net click on the link for the flashlight and the code name Rogan, and you get fifteen percent off the number one sex toy for men and got a bunch of new dates. You can find him on twitter dot com, Slash Joe we're going to come into Washington, DC, Denver, Houston, Ontario, CA and New Orleans.
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