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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Congressman Mike Johnson discuss the current state of conservative America, the understated importance of inherent value, the trumped up climate crisis and the all too real crisis facing much of Europe this coming winter.
Rep. Mike Johnson is in his third term representing the 4th Congressional District of Louisiana. He represents nearly 760,000 residents of 15 parishes in the northwest and western regions of the state. Mike was first elected to the U.S. House of Representatives on December 10, 2016, by the largest margin of victory in his region in more than 50 years and is currently serving his third term. He earned his undergraduate degree in Business Administration from Louisiana State University in 1995, and then his Juris Doctorate from the Paul M. Hebert Law Center at Louisiana State University in 1998. Before joining Congress, Johnson was a partner in the Kitchens Law Firm and a senior attorney and national media spokesman for the Alliance Defense Fund, now known as Alliance Defending Freedom. He serves as the Vice Chairman of the House Republican Conference—the No. 4 ranked Republican in Congress—is a leader on the Judiciary and Armed Services Committees, and serves as an Assistant Whip for House Republicans. Last Congress, he served as Chairman of the Republican Study Committee, known as the "intellectual arsenal" and the largest caucus of conservatives in Congress. Prior to becoming elected to the U.S. Congress, Johnson served as a constitutional law litigator for nearly 20 years.
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(1:24) Intro
(3:55) Eve of the election, predictions
(5:20) Biden’s chaotic reign
(7:54) Inflation at a 40 year high, causes and effects
(10:00) US oil and the global climate “crisis”
(13:34) Gaia before God, the new globalist religion
(17:25) The ultimate agenda: control
(19:22) The Republican response
(23:05) Seven Core Principles of American Conservatism
(27:35) Identity from the political perspective
(32:26) The need of faith in society and for individuals
(34:35) Foundational principles and why the left despises them
(40:23) To look upon what terrifies us, why we must
(47:08) The scientific view of faith, and why it’s wrong
(54:12) Preserving what guides us
(57:45) The vision going forward
(1:01:39) Muddling through up hill, the energy front
(1:03:49) The best way to serve the poor
(1:06:56) Taking the opportunity, clarity unites
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hello everyone. I have the great honour and privilege an opportunity to speak today with my johnson, who is one of america's leading figures on the fence,
Concerning the front representative, my johnson is, in his third term, represent
the fourth congressional district of Louisiana. He represents
three quarters of a million residents of fifteen perishes in the north west,
eastern regions of the state mike was first elected to the: u s house, of representatives,
on December ten, two thousand and sixteen by the
I'll just margin of victory in his region and more than fifty years and is currently serving his third term. He earned is undergraduate degree in business administration from
louisiana state university in ninety ninety five and then is jurists doctorate from the paul m haber law centre
at louisiana state university in nineteen. Ninety eight,
for joining congress. Johnson was
arguing the kitchens law firm and a senior attorney, and now,
in a media spokesman for the alliance defence fund, now
as alliance defending freedom. He serves the very important position in washing
as the vice chairman of the house republican conference, the number for rank republican in congo,
is a leader on the judiciary and armed services. Committees and sir
as an assistant whip for house republicans last congress. He served as chairman of the republic to study committee
known as the intellectual arsenal and the largest carcass of conservatives in congress prior to becoming elected to the. U s: congress
johnson served as a constitutional law litigator for nearly twenty years
talk today about his political career, bonus, philosophical views he's also writing a book. That's going to be coming out in the next, while seven core principles of,
can conservatism and we're going to discuss his vision for a renewal of the conservative viewpoint in the united states and perhaps more broadly
so welcome to all of you who were watching and listening a hollow congressmen. Johnson. Thank you very much for agreeing to talk to me today
I join my great honour of a big advantage. You know well. Thank you. Thank you.
very much so tell me, let's start by talking about what
republicans are going to do with their with their newfound position.
You and I recording this just on the eve of the elections, so we're not sure exactly how large
majority will be, but I'll tell you, and until those that are
spain, and watching that we do anticipate here on tuesday.
That will have a size.
Majority in the house, and they will have a majority of some sort and the Senate now we're we're projecting at least a wondered to cede majority for them.
Working party and a large majority in the house, which means that the entire direction of the country is going to change pretty dramatic,
what we ve had, as you know, for the last two years is what is it we referred to in our old civics classes and here in this country, as you know
a government which made you got the same party. The Democrats in this case in charge of the white house and both houses of congress, and so that is why, in our view, chaos has ensued. You have
really a radical, progressive, radical leftist agenda. That's been hoisted upon the country and we ve
though I have no way to stop it because we didn't have the votes, but that's all about to change. So, even though the Democrats
obviously will still have the white house for another two years the hands of power in congress are going to change its long over.
And you're gonna see a new day in this country. So what do you think has been from the republican prison?
What do you think has been the most chaotic element?
divisive element or counterproductive,
let's say of the Biden administration and what? What is? What does your party presume to do?
about it and what do you think's actually practically possible,
Those are all excellent questions. You know I've been on their campaign trail now practically for the last year. I run ran unopposed, amazingly enough for reelection. For my what will be my fourth term in congress, but most of our seats were hotly contested, as you know around the country, and we have felt this. What we refer to as the
where we felt it building now for some time, because there's so much unrest and and concern around the country. They were, there was a a poll, just came out
really over the last two days or so, where it
we estimated the american psychological association which is of interest to you. They estimate that three fourths of americans are so deeply concerned about the future of their country, that it is causing them daily stress and that's a real statistic.
according to them. So there is a lot of concern and the reason is because these
results. The completely foreseeable results of policy choices that have been made by those
who control all these levers of power, and so the result
The disastrous, there's, quite literally, a crisis on every front every front. Every issue of policy is a disease
president Biden has presided over there. The Democrats in congress of engineered it and we are living through the results and so
I to summarize it easily. On the campaign trail to me, I've been saying for the last year that it will come down to, and I think it has to what I call the three I's and it's inflation, illegal immigration and
Incompetence and the appalling bears that out that those two top issues. Of course, the economy is disease in a disastrous state right now
the cost of living is unmanageable for most americans and
Illegal immigration problem is, is just an unspeakable disaster catastrophe and end. The incompetence is, is something that has spread throughout. Everything
touched at. The crime is soaring in the country and all of our major cities in and around the nation, every single area, energy policy. You know we have a fentanyl crisis, we have we have for crying out loud. We have a baby formula shortage crisis. We have military recruitment crises, I mean it's just every area, and so the american people are are looking for a change they're going to give us that opportunity and I believe, we're going to do
and so what do you think? The true rate of inflation is at the moment in the? U s and what do you think that inflation is doing to to ordinary people
well, we know by any objective measure that inflation in the? U s is at least a forty year high when, when it actually
goes down to real people, real families. There's there feeling real pain. You know the cost of groceries. The cost of gasoline and
again. All of this is the result of of these policy decisions. You know take energy policy, for example, in the: u s at least thirty percent of our
nations economy is tied in some way to our energy policy and- and you- and I have talked about this- all out of line with amongst our friends in groups that were involved,
It is just really an insane series of decisions that Biden in the end the the far left in this country have made. We we're energy, not just energy independence and energy dominant when, when president tromp left the white house, because we push those policies and instinctively almost reflexively Joe Biden took office in within the first few days, quite literally through executive orders, he reversed the policies that it that had given us those great gains and achievements,
and in so because of that we we ve, seen we freebie what what that has so and so now. Not only did they, you know, as you know, of course, infamously cancel the keystone.
Pipeline, greenlighted nordstream, two
russia and the food and which, of course, are fuelled here.
Is war machine to go after ukraine. They they keep us
a moratorium on federal
production and and exploration and federal answer in the. U s offshore, as well, which has been a disaster for my state of louisiana. Beginners state effectively turned off the spigots.
But in order to meet our demand within had to go hand in hand
We have to go back. You know Sally
rabies we had we had to go in
these other nations to help us supply are needed, is just unconscionable unconscionable and, of course, to the energy.
produced in those other countries is not anywhere near as clean and efficient as that which is produced here because of the way they do it so
ironically, visual, didn't want lord, what do you have any other what'll? I think the justification is, for that mean to cut off production but not tunnel.
demand, seems like a pretty counter productive way both to deal with the economy.
With the environment. Assuming that you buy the story that fossil fuel,
Use per se is driving the crisis that we should all be aware
into which is something I am really on. Boy
with in any way at all in it seems
any obvious, especially given once been happening in europe lately with regard to their energy.
That the policies that were pursued by the united states, especially with regard to franking, turned out to be well fortuitously, far sighted,
It made the united states energy independent, as you said, but while actually able to export while simultaneously cutting carbon output, which is important to those people to whom it's important, but it said least notable on every front,
In america was looking pretty good on the energy front, especially in contrast to to the to europe, and so what
Think the rationale is for simultaneously cutting production and making it extraordinary differ.
To provide abundant energy while also pursuing,
policy of going around the globe and asking for access to energy
sources from from, obviously from pretty
who are not necessarily reliable, let's say like then whaler or desirable, and
so who don't abide by the same standards of environmental purity? The governors,
situation in the united states
understand how that that policy can be constructed in pursuit
What what what's the rationale? Sport is it that the army? We had a deputy
prime minister in Canada, who said famously something like what's good the energy
These are much higher because,
when canadians pay more at the pump, they're all reminded constantly of just how severe the environmental crisis its and which I think is an absent
the appalling way to behave, and I also think it's cool.
Productive on the environmental front, because making people poor does not make the planet healthier
There's no evidence for that. So what do you think? Why do you think? The Democrats pursued this policy.
This is an excellent question. Jordan- and I agree with your hundred percent on your position on this and and as we discussed in the past, that it's difficult to provide a rational explanation for it, because there really is not. I dont think they apply rational thought to these days.
at all? To me the best way I can explain it and I get asked the same question all the time, certainly whenever
did my district, the fourth congressional district and in louisiana go to town halls. We have lots of big open public events where everyone is welcomed and take west.
from the audience, and this is always one of the most common questions and in my
explanation, the rate, the answer that I ve come up with is the best way I know to explain it, and that is that
These. This is not a rational decision on the part of these folks. They regard
the climate agenda as part of their religion
I dont know any other way to explain it. They pursue it with religious zeal and they they care, not, apparently what type of pain these policies inflict upon the people that they are supposed to be serving because they're not serving the people their serving
planet and big they use this terminology now openly yams. You know to break amazement at frustration and
it's as if it and put it in a very parochial terms,
I'm in Louisiana. I try to explain to our folks that listen. They have effectively replaced father, god with mother earth.
Not over simplified areas. It that's
see it in so they believe we owe fealty to mother earth it we're created by the earth they believe. So we must. We owe everything to the earth itself.
We have to serve that cause above all else, and it matters not who they
a problem. The problem I have
that is that the policies themselves don't seem to result in the consequences that are,
pathetically desired. Like I spend a lot,
time look
Over the
environmental crisis, literature and one of the things that seem to me, while two things appeared to me to be quite obvious as a consequence of poring over it and the first is we don't have
one environmental, slash economic crisis confronting us
have many and so forth,
Well beyond lumber on? I wrote an article four, the telegraph last week and I believe one of the things he pointed out in there
pointed out in there was that twenty three
million people a year around the world die from indoor air pollution, mostly from
in dung and what twenty three million people a huge number of people and all
see, that's polluting and it's not good for the environment and to replace that within an inexpensive while it would be fossil fuel replacement, it was replaced most efficient,
would save tens of millions of people and also be good for the planet and that's completely
the agenda. No one pays any attention to that whatsoever, even though, like said, twenty million lives of twenty million people, a lot of them children depend on it. There's these multiple issues,
as well as on the environmental front, and lambert has done a better job than anyone else in rank ordering these things, and so the thing that
if I'm so perplexing, is that even if your goal was in some sense to serve the planet,
by no means obvious in any sense whatsoever.
raising energy prices and impoverishing poor people will do anything but hurt the planet, so
I don't even by the internal rationale. It's like what we're supposed to be serving the planets like wild. None of our policy seem to be doing the lumber, gothic
estimated in the same article that the net consequence of all the global climate.
Spending, since two thousand and five will be a one, ten thousandth of a degree reduction in time.
but you're by the year. Twenty one
in so far as it can be calculated by the union's own climate mortals, and so I dont get it it's it's
it's been without thirty years of this nonsense always seem to do is make the energy grid much more ineffective and the only
It's really made an advance in terms of of
in carbon.
What has been the united states, a maybe that's true tracking
every environmentalist on the planet hates bracket, because you know they claim erroneously that it does such things as cause, earthquakes and and
and so we're in a situation where the planet is clearly no better off and in fact, by many measures worse off than it would have been. If we would just left the hell alone and energy costs are our spiralling out of.
troll and people are being plunged
poverty as winter approaches and, like there's, no positive outcome of that whatsoever.
And yet the leaders are all gathered, a cop twenty seven again, I believe
weakened to do exactly the same thing
and so even by their own standards, to the standards of the environment themselves. Why?
wouldn't they support natural gas if they are actually concerned about improving the planet or nuclear power
for that matter it just
there's something more nefarious going on out there at the neck
of level. Even then we all feel tee to the planet it something like it. So,
like we have to destroy capitalism at all costs, even if that means compromising the planet. I it's it's it's worse than the
then the nature, worship, hypothesis. I think that's right there,
insistently, irrational
sort of a local or regional level. Here of the? U s, for example, I think that
A religious zeal argument is sort of explanation makes some sense, but I do think that
on the international level, I think the the the persons who are ultimately responsible for this, those who are pushing the
the elites at the top of the of the food chain. So to speak, there is
more sinister agenda. Ultimately we you and I think, agree. This is about government control and they will pursue that with
is his fervor of, of course, as well, and they seem to have gotten the entire civilized world bought in on the at least the leaders of many of these nations bought in on this idea that we have to pursue this agenda at any cost, and so we are going to continue to see the results of that. You know
that's it. It seems a bit too convenient disillusion always is well there's a terrible crime,
just besetting us and what tat means is you have
deliver all the power to a handful of
centralized, who were then allowed to use compulsion to info
their desired policies like if you're solution means you
handed all the centralized power, and I have to abide by your dictates than I think its legitimate of meat
question. Your motives that
zactly right and in
solution and that the attitude is to educate and inform morbid
to remind them that
going along with this agenda require
them to sacrifice their freedom and and their safety their comfort, and maybe you you, we ve, seen the projections. This may be
Harsh Europe
in europe.
That's, because they don't have enough energy unit. Stephen heed the homes of the persons who need this
and so I fear that there is going to be real
continuing pain until so the world wakes up. And so hopefully we can continue to be the voice.
Crying in the wilderness- to remind everyone of us? What what the true facts are here. So what do you
The republicans will do about the energy situation. What we are
You don't have the presidency, and so there's gonna be
mutations on honour on
possible? But what do you think the right way forward is in real,
Ship to the provisional
or the development of an energy policy that would ensure to them.
we're going to be doing the exploration that they're not gonna, be cut off at the knees again right, that's kind,
and I do have some hope that it after this election, I do believe there will be the field
have a mandate. I think it's going to be an overwhelming vote.
and I believe that we will have some people who were rightly thinking even among the Democrats, who will wake up and recognised that we ve got
to turn this around. We saw some hopeful signs of that. Just a few. Did it
out from our election. You saw
Joe mansion of west Virginia came out with just from really strong language coin, our president by
for his really insane policies. I mean he effectively called three days out from the election. He was a rally I think in pencil
yeah and and called presented by and called for the end of the cold
street and effectively just just took up
real swipe at the oil and gas industry, fossil fuels in general, not again
welcoming pennsylvania's an energy state and end so Joe mansion responded immediately very strong language.
Look. I think that that we may have a new day and a new opportunity to turn some of this around. I think the american people are going to demand it. They cannot afford just simple fuels
simple energy now and we've got to to get back to some of the policies that allowed us to be in the great position we were in before Joe Biden took office. If you rewind and in your mind, to february of two thousand and twenty right before cove, it hits our shores. Here we had achieved the greatest economy in the history of the planet, not just the greatest economy of the: u s, but the greatest economy ever we had by air.
we measurable metric and category. Every one was doing better in the. U s our economy was thriving. Would jobs are being created more opportunity? I was available for more people in every
demographic. We were widening the pathway and poverty for more people and the reason we were in that position is because
advanced, limited government principles, we reduce taxes. We were
use regulations and we allowed american entrepreneurship to thrive. We were not the free market to thrive. We ve got to get back to that because that's the solution and it begins with energy policy, and it should translate
green area of what we do with our economic agenda,
You know one of the things that that I think the conservatives are often rightly
effectively, let's say criticized: for
by those on the left is
over reliance on the kind of paul
is that you just described the cutting policies right that the restriction of government over reach, and I believe that restricting gov
over each is important, but it's not a very compelling narrative in some sense right now. You ve been
Working on a boycott set the associated with core principles of of concern.
disease- and so you ve, been thinking this through philosophically as well and its
to me that further conservative types, too to Malta effective to develop a kind of an effective counter struggle
to the false messianic narrative of the radical left that something
a coherent philosophy
compelling on the narrative front, has to be put forward, and you ve been working on this book and the book is called seven core principles of of america: conservatism, that's
Let me give you a little little background of of of how that came about. It was birth out of necessity
jordan in the in the last congress, hundreds
in congress I served as chairman of the republican study committed you ve, come and visited our group capitol hill. That's the law,
just or a sea is the largest carcass in congress, certainly the largest carcass of conservatives,
Then it's known as the intellectual arsenal of conservatism on the hill of over fifty year history. Now we have
I thought the largest group, and so when I was chairman, it was one hundred forty, eight members of that group or anyone who self identifies self describes as a conservative in the house as a part of the
organization and it is intended and wasn't it at its origin to be the policy shop where our conservative philosophy makes its way onto paper it
it informs or debates in our arguments on the hill and that's how we crater
policy, legislative text etc. So what
at the helm of that organization. It was a. It was an interesting time in american politics, because we were
years into the trump administration about halfway through we were in
uncharted waters. So,
big as a nation, lots of things were very dynamic.
Changing indifferent than they have been before and when I say
was that a lot of my colleagues and certainly a lot of friends and associates constituents back at home,
identified and probably many of them, always as conservatives in the republicans,
we're having a difficult time articulating, take in exactly what that was what it meant
and so I determined that as chair of this group, we wanted to make very good use of the two years ahead of us. We were, we had just been put into the minority
in the house- and so I thought
said of wandering in the wilderness for forty years. We should roller sleeves up and make it a very productive time. So in order
Do that is it so it's always
an idea, you're gonna craft policy if you're gonna an agenda.
to know exactly what you believe in what the objectives are. So I put up in the paper
I did a lot of thought study in prayer, and I my backgrounds and constitutional law, and so,
These are things that I've studied my whole life, and so I thought, if, if you had just a couple of moments with a with a millennial himself identified as a progressive, how would you? How would you present what it is that we believe- and I and I pose this
Rhetorically to all. My colleagues in a big meeting of the- and I said power.
Going to explain and advance are our position, and so what would you say
It means to be an american conservative. So I positive this- and I suggest this to my colleagues at that time. I said: listen to me. If you had the
dont volumes of conservative writing. If you had to pull down the republican party platform
everything that we say that we're for all that you know from from Edmund burke to today what what would that be summarized for an hour
When our place- and I said to me, it boils down to what I'm going to call the seven core principles of americans conservatism and is quite simply individual freedom, limited government, the rule of law, peace, their strength, fiscal responsibility, free markets and you
dignity not in any necessary order, but those are the things that they all conservatives should profess.
Believe so there's no magic about that list and anyone could create their own or add to it or delete. But to me
I'm going to posit for us to be our guard real,
The next two years as we go forward to make our arguments on the house for to create the policy to put our plans together
and it is the foundation upon which we will build. Everybody agreed with that we met
the bylaws of the republican study committee for the first time in fifteen years to add those in and we began to work with those parameters. And so it was, it was a very successful effort. At the end of that two years we published over four hundred pages of policy prescriptions. We called it the conservative playbook for a republican majority and end those those publications are answers to
british challenges facing the country, because we get momentum doing that. I began to hear from
a conservative legislators at the local and state level around the country and republican groups in this state and that people calling
Thank god we adopt something
Where could we use the seven core principles- and, I said absolutely no pride of authorship about it, so all of that
has been building and that's why it's it's making its way into the pages of a book now, so we can spread it out even further. It's not it's not rocket science,
it's a good way to summarize what it is. We believe- and I think that's important here. What I've been I've been thinking through
idea of identity from the political perspective- and there is part of me that
attracted to classic liberal ideas, because I believe the right unit of analysis in them in the most fundamental senses. The individual and I think the classic liberals did a good job of putting that point forward. But I think that an over emphasis on the individual adam
these people, and I think that an end and the consequence about amazed individuals is tyrannical government, as far as I can tell, is that if
everybody becomes an island unto themselves all of the
necessary, relationships that bind people together are vacuum.
In some sense are subsumed under a centralized authority. And I've also been
thinking through the idea of identity from the perspective of mental health? So what does it mean to have a healthy identity? So you might ask what it means to have an eye
the period and it certainly isn't something that you only define subjectively and so my clinical experience and I think that the most sophistical
psychological theories bear this out- is that you can't have proper
functioning individuals who were advised in the rear.
for that is that, in the most fundamental sense, emotional and motivational regulation, which is what metal
else depends on, or even consists of in some sense has to be experienced in relationship to other people.
And so one of the things I ve noticed when I'd be lecturing the young people, and this is relevant to the issue of what conservatives have to offer. Young people is that the
meaning that people need
to rely on that sustains them through tragic times, isn't to be found
in in pursuit
self interest
It's enlightened self interest, not in the narrow, hedonic sense.
not in the sense where I get exactly what I want right now, all the time. What seems to provide people,
stabilization in their life and hope is the fostering of a hierarchical network of social interaction so that its pretty hard to be seen and
to have a functional identity without being married or the equivalent
you're, an adult you need someone whose long term part
because otherwise your life is a mess of loneliness or short term chaotic relationships and it's very different.
To be seen and happy when that's happening
very hard to maintain eureka liberal. Unless you have
least some family right,
some siblings parents that you that you have a bonded relationship with that european interaction with it. You have joint projects with you have to have friends
You should be involved in a network of economic exchange. You should be pursued,
wings, some civic responsibility. Maybe you have a religious obligation, that's the that's! And that's it
way of thinking about it. Then then, a religious faith right is that
you, you have an obligation to to pursue and participate in some spiritual tradition,
and it has to be a tradition to because otherwise just spirals off into a kind of new age insanity, and it isn't obvious to me that people can live happy lives because people say they want to be happy, which I don't believe it
it also true. I think people want to have an adventure and they don't want to be miserable and that's not exactly the same as being happy, but I dont think that you can pursue,
any of that stable,
without being embedded in those in that multitude of hierarchical social relationships and that's all
the dawn responsibility, not one short term self gratification
any time about a mystic hedonism. And if you explain,
two young people they figured out right away, especially if you
allied that with the idea of developing
the kind of imbedded in the social community that helps sustain you in the face of tragedy. Because what are you?
when things go wrong, you ve got
people, you love and who love you. You ve got your friends, you ve got, hopefully
your career and maybe a creative, your creative,
every you have
the service you can provide to others at the level of civic responsibility, and all of that none of that is being discussed in some real sense for about sixty years, and all of that is core to,
the kind of identity, the stops people from being absolutely anxiety, ridden and hopeless, and conservatives really have all that within
a glass if they wanted to take it, and it sounds like that
sort of thing that you're working on pursuing that's it,
the right and I think we do need to take it, and I think that there is a vacuum created and it should be filled
with what I regard as being very simple truths, I mean, I think this is the simple truth or the most profound it. Won't you
it starts. Actually, there is, is exactly right. I believe it's impossible by the way to divorce it from
They just worldview. Let's say the judeo christian world
for example, because that is where we find armenian. I think what you just described is god's crew,
in order for things for the individual, for the family for society. I thank you.
We are made in the image of god. The founders of this country believe that and in fact,
Indeed, in our in our declaration, they proclaimed it to be a self evident truths, something that you can
not know that. God is the one crete they created us and it gives
all that the same rights and in the god created us too, to sir. We find
greatest meaning. I mean that the bible is filled with his admonition, that, if you are to be great, you are to serve in the greatest as the greatest service
That's where you find your value. He intended the family to be, for obvious reasons, the first unit of of community and upon that,
build a healthy and vibrant society. Here I listed human dignity is as the seventh of the core principles, but I say
I blogged I'm finishing up that that really could be. The first is the foundation at all because it goes back to the beginning.
That that we really are of individual value in words and- and that is because God gave us that worth its it in
by the way you your values, complete,
we unrelated in any way to the color of your skin or what zip code you live in or where you went to school, where your talents are your values inherent because it's given to you by your creator
in a world which is also focus or do I have
because they Chesterton famously said that america is the only nation in the world it was founded upon a creed is
stood with almost theological lucidity and the declaration of independence. In the end, that is our creed and and in short, summary, it's the second paragraph, the declaration and that our nation was
built upon that idea, as you,
Rightly, we began to deviate from that idea about fifty years
sixty years ago were so little bit longer and and that is why we are at the hopeless result that we are so. I believe we have to get back to those founding principles
I already said that the conservatives have done a pretty poor job of defending that. So you see
This vitriolic accusation arise
from the radical left that the west
the west in general and the euro.
States, perhaps in particular, was founded son,
mentally on a doctrine that was akin to the promotion of something like oppression and slavery. Now that's a typical levers troll, because the leftists think every form of social organisation
founded on nothing but exploitation and right. But what what decision?
speaking about that is that it's also counter productive
in relationship even to the stated goals of the leftists? Because the way I look at things- and I can't see how this is wrong- is that the the careless self axiom
the careless self, evident axiom of humans.
social interaction,
something like if I can force you to do something. I have the right to do it:
is well if I'm more powerful than you- and I can compel you to do my bidding war
the hell shouldn't die and the that means that, as hobbs pointed out that say the flaws
thomas hobbes, rather than jean jacques rousseau, that that vision
predicated on an idea that industry,
of nature human,
so noble savages it's more like life is now
the british, in short- and you know
I don't believe that hobbs was a hundred percent right. Nor do I believe, the challenge, our crusoe's, a hundred percent right,
think we have an implicit capacity for evil and an implicit capacity for good in that were badly.
between that all the time, but I cannot read the history of the west great,
written in particular, and then the? U s emerging out of that context as anything, but this
other of the idea
all men have intrinsic of human beings-
as you said, regardless of creed or color or or ethnicity necessary, or
intelligence or any any law,
glad tribute whatsoever that, because of
intrinsic dignity, the the any
that smacks of slavery and compulsion is in fact, fundamentally ethically wrong. And you know atheistic types
go after the idea that the dignity of human beings,
is predicated on something like their formation in the image of god still have the problem of trying to sort out, then what is it that gives people
that intrinsic dignity and worth because, if you abandoned that as a self evident principle,
I saw that would be as a fundamental, religious or sacred principle. Nelson.
Some sense independent even of your religious belief, it still deepen foundational principle that
resumption of intrinsic value that fights
the very institution of slavery and as far as I can tell that exists
the reason why slavery was eradicated, despite essentially, despite its
unbelievable, prevalent throughout the entire course of human history, so the leftists in some sense decry the use of power and corruption and claim that the west and the united states are fundamentally slave predicated oppressive states, but
they failed to contend with, and what conservatives have done a good job of defending is that that's not only a lie. It's the opposite of the truth is that these are these western democracies that privilege human dignity
are the only societies in the entire history of humanity that
ever managed to make a moral case against the principle that might makes right. That is pretty,
nicely right and it is,
I believe and then the inestimable dignity and value of every person because of the belief, the underlying believed that they are made
image anna's of creator creation of god himself of that has been
guiding principle. That is why that believe is is why
slavery has been eradicated and child labour laws have been revised and all
ills and society have been attacked. It's been persons motivated by that believe that you have to do that for the individual because of their there
when their dignity and in our country, the united states was founded upon that premise, it was not perfect at its origin. Of course, we still had slavery to contend with in and we
No, that is the great stain on our history, but it was acknowledged by leaders at the time, the principal men who were called to put all this together
and it was acknowledged by later generations as well. Martin Luther king Jr, famously
said in his. I have a dream speech that the declaration
independence was a promissory note to future generations that were in the process of making a more perfect union and that we
and achieved everything that we should yet. But but it's built upon this foundational premise, and so our first presidents, george Washington, famously in his farewell address. He said you know he he gave us his prescription on how we could keep this republic to a grand experiment in self govern
and he said, watch your your federal debt wants. Your foreign alliances gave some very practical advice, but he also said watch out for the the
when poison of political parties etc, but he also said about the dispute.
And habits which lead to political prosperity,
Religion and morality are indispensable support and then John Adams comes next and he says: look our constitution is made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. They did not want to legislate that every person had to adopt a certain religion
But the point was that you had to have this fundamental premise. This you had a virtue, if you're going to have a government of by and for the people
had to be a foundation of virtue, and they saw that the the seed been averted.
Was in religion, a morality and that we will support its. It see
to me that
even the principles that the classic liberal,
individualists rely on
presume the self evidence of those moral virtues. There give the right
The problem is that
there are only given when their active and when
become in october, when they become actively subverted than the self evident, starts to decay and then
The whole enterprise has the possibility of falling apart. You know I was I was. I was just in Jerusalem me and I walked
on the dollar rosa with a friend of mine, Jonathan, persia, we're doing a documentary about that, and I was thinking about the idea of the
How should we ended up in the church of the holy supporter, which at least in printed
is founded on the site where Christ was crucified. And I was thinking about this psychologically, and I think this is so.
that is worth delving into, although its weight
at the bottom of things, you know what I've won
for a long time exactly what the western world has been doing psychologically.
let's say gazing out the crucifix for the last two thousand year
and why that's associated with the image of god and I'm again until
but the psychologically not geologically, and one of the things that psych psychotherapy
have realised in the last sixty years or so is that if you can get people
voluntarily confront the things that disturb them and compel them into
paralysis and avoidance and possibly
tyranny. Those are there
people would like to avoid this. They could but often can't, because there
harsh realities of life, let's say the more you can get people to expose
cells to the things, they're, afraid of and disturbed by,
voluntarily the brain
and more healthy they become. Then
just in this in this matter,
Hysteria in northern
fournier I'm an artist head. They re putting that literally
a hundred and a half million dollars into this into the artwork and
draw that's associated with this monastery and there is an image of Christ curse.
Fine underneath mary
and then behind the crucifixion was an image of across that represent
the resurrection, and when I look
that I think well, it's the banana
and of the mother that gives rise to the euro
individual, let's say and what's in there,
actual nature of the heroic individual, and they answer to. That is something like the courage to confront the guitar,
for of mortality itself voluntarily and
also the willingness to confront the reality of hell and both of those
buried in the passion narrative, because Christ of course goes too
ignominious an undeserved death, which is the most tragic thing that can happen. Anyone in some sense, but that's not enough
he asked a hero, hell itself and you might
Well, what does that mean psychologically and I would say: well, we don't only have to contend as human beings
the reality of suffering and death. We have to sit
and with the reality of suffering, death and malevolence of a deep kind, and if
turn away from that, then we cannot rise to the occasion and the
image that is embedded in the judeo christian tradition, especially in revenge relationship to the crucifix
Resurrection is something like the notion that if you gaze upon that which terrifies you law,
enough and hard enough and with enough diligence you don't see death and destruction,
see the possibility of renewal and rebirth, because that's the spirit that is
hold out of you if your courageous enough to confront the terrible realities of life, and as far as I can tell
psychologically true and that's what
so and then you might say, did you could take that further? You could say well what does that have to do with, with god
the answer is. Well, that's a very difficult question to sort out. That's for sure, but you you could say
more prosaically that, if the spirit that
aids, is most compelling
we and, and and and
only through life, is the spirit that cause us to confront the catastrophic.
Are catastrophic fragility and our subjugation to malevolence if we have to confront that voluntarily and that?
the spirit that strengthened
Ass, an revives us. How could we pause
we regard that as anything other than technically
profound in divine? Does its fundamental, and I thank you-
You can have a fair bit of that discussion outside the theological domain, like which I
I do most of the time right, because you too, you should speak.
The illogical matters at your peril, but at the end,
at least, and so then you think what what gives people intrinsic worth and dignity in the fact is that they are capable of
bearing up voluntarily under the brute force load of existence.
Malevolence and deserve respect and due credit as a consequence of that strength.
and if you're society isn't predicated on that, then it will fall apart and as far as I can tell that's all just true, I think those are simple truths. I think that's exactly right. I think that
animated a previous generations of americans. You know we did have a very strong christian culture and the early origins of of the country and the judeo christian world view was pressed,
wait until recent generations. Almost everyone agreed that's what the studies which show and and and what our common experience bears out, and so they believed in those
apple trees that our articulated in the bible. You could talk about it from us psychological perspective, but it's it's is difficult to divorce. The faith aspect from it as having guided and encourage the people, the bible, speaks clearly to suffering in and trials and how that going through, that produces perseverance, perseverance and produces character, character than produces hope and and hope is essential.
The passages in first peter five per capita is writing to the early church in those days, and he says how, in you no evil itself. Evil incarnates did the devil prowls around like a roaring lion seeking whom he made of our talk about malevolence, but the passages of scripture right before that it says, do not worry, cast your worries on god, because he cares for you. So in the context of,
that we understand that sure human nature is, is evil and capable of all sorts of malevolence and evil. But god is greater than that and that that believe that animated principle is
truly guided our nation suit through severe our gaze, and I think it closely we well. We could talk about the necessity of faith in that
guard too, because the the
the more scientific oriented
nationalists that are opposed to such views?
presume that faith is something like that.
we need to believe things that are so preposterous that no one would believe them, but that, as far
I can tell that isn't what religious faith means: religious faith which which would be deep face because real, the religious
is the domain of the profound in the deep religious faith, is something like the pre
condition for action in the face of the unknown. So so, like a couple of examples
of that mean one would be well. Why?
Would you tell the truth,
because you don't have any evidence beforehand that if you tell the truth, things will work out
the best possible way for you. You have to tell the truth and then
what happens, and that means that, in order to do that, you have to have faced in the truth
then you might say. Well, why would you get married and the answer can be because you know you'll live happily ever after the
Sir, has to be that you'll take the hand of your wife and jump into the unknown together on the basis of faith that, if you keep faith,
each other, and you engage in the redemptive dialogue. That's part of the process of the exchange of the logos that you'll be able to.
maneuver through the catastrophes of life more effectively and like all all, and then, if you
in front of a challenge by it
the nation. In some sense it challenges a situation.
you don't know. If you can master
and your willingness to confront that can't be based on the evidence that you'll win and and overcome
the challenge, because you don't know it has
to be a leap of faith. And so then the question arises. What what?
not do you need faith or should
abandoned faith because I don't think that's possible in the alps
of omniscience an omnibus
Since in the netherlands, what you have,
contend with that which is beyond. You is faith.
I can't see how can be any other way and then the question this is something. Concerns should be addressing well faith in what
the inviolable dignity of the human individuals that might be a good place to start.
And then consumers can talk about responsibility too, because you know, I think, part of the part of the attraction that the left us
have for young people is the left to say well, we'll take care of everyone, and the conservatives can say
you don't exactly wanna take care of everyone, because that infant analyzes them you want to give them a domain where they have the option the opportunity to
take care of themselves and the people around them unwanted, distributed as widely as possible, and that's it
more noble vision. I think it gives people something to it. Isn't that gives people something to do it.
Restored to them?
true responsibility of their life and if the meaning of their life is dependent on
the adoption of that responsibility. Then it restores the meaning to their life, and I do think
people understand that if you accept
to them and that their dying to hear that you ve been doing a fantastic work at that and dog
you're. Writing has inspired a lot of young men. I know, and I have walked with you in the halls of the: u s: capital unseen young men come up and tell you what a profound effect that has had, because I think your drawing them to this again. What I regard to be a simple truth: we find
responsibility in our contribution, we find responsibility in our selfless our value in our selflessness. We find dignity and our work again, because that's other creator made us and
when you, when you explore that when you pursue it, that is the pursuit. Ultimately, I think of of happiness.
Fulfilment and you re lloyd's ham and happiness in more profound sense that the founder meant, because that's not short term hedonism and I think the way it lays itself a practically in people.
think this through for themselves. Is that the more
of service- and I don't mean the so I dont mean resentful martyrdom in relationships
people I mean balanced service
but the more you or, for others, the more
is returned to you. That's obvious.
In and you know you want to be around people who are productive and generous and maybe
err on the side of productivity and generosity. To some degree right down to just leave that little margin of error, but its given,
There are so many other people in just one of you all
Thirdly, the more you deliver to other people. You know there's gonna,
people who take advantage of that. But that's not the point but on on on on the whole
the more you deliver to other people in phase,
War is going to come back to you, especially over the medium and long run. I mean
could it be anywhere anywhere else, because, obviously, if all you do is take
People figure that out very rapidly, and then they stop wanting to have anything to do with you, and so I think, there's again it's a simple truth, because it's a practice,
it's a metaphysical reality, the meaning is
we found in the service of others and that sovereignty might in a high sense might
defined as the broadest possible service, which is a revolution
thinking that was engendered in large part by the biblical writings. But I think that it's just a practical, truces you can try. This is a clinical exercise. People who are narcissistic and disagreeable can be
Led to do something like something as simple as well: try doing one thing every day, just for someone else and see what
but in what generally happens, is
your temperaments, improve their lives, improve, and I dont know
That's a mystery once its laid out while of course that's what's going to happen, if you, if you're, you know, I think it's if you, if you were
percent longer hours. You make forty percent more money, and so
right, and you can see why. That would be right because of you out ten employees,
one of them there twenty minutes early and stays twenty minutes late every day, and you know it
that and then an opportunity emerges well. Who's gonna get the opportunity.
its self evident in now
mental sense, it did. I love went when human experience bears out principles from from the bible.
you know when it is a biblical principle, by the way that the the greater the degree of your self sacrifice, the greater the reward in terms of service to others and enter the kingdom of god, as it were. In that context, you know the the widow's mite when, when she gives what little
as there is a tremendous reward. Whereas if the millionaire donates ten dollars, maybe he did it out of a cheerful hard, but there's not a great reward. That comes with that, and so you know that idea that believe, I think again to tie it back to the to the the greatness of of amerika, the country that I revere so so much is that
belief is, what guided us is what developed extraordinary economy in culture and society that we had here, because persons were guided by that principle in it, it drove them to work hard at drove them to be entrepreneurs. It drove them to be. Job
creators to integrate more highly knows on people in it also help them fight against the terrible
traction of envy in one of these
that I've seen that characterises the access
of the radicals on the left is the proposition that any
He, who has any more than I have acquired that as a consequence of oppression and fast
I think the fundamental problem with that is that
if no one is allowed to have any more than anyone else ever
then no one ever gives to have anything at all, and so I think part of the biblical insist
it's that envy covetousness is a fundamental sin which
in two missed the mark is that if someone
Oh can't be richer than others, some of the time no one can
have any wealth at all,
and you know, there's a big anthropological mystery, which is that, from from
period of time about three hundred and fifty thousand years ago to about fifty thousand years ago, there doesn't seem to have been much of an increment in human
well being on the material front, and no one can
figure that out, because genetically speaking we're not that much different from our ancestors that long ago, and so what changed? And who knows? The answer?
to that. But one possible answer is that while we were caught in something like a,
self defeating
I will of envy such that a new students logical evidence for this, so that in most societies
Anyone who had any more than anyone else immediately
became a target for sons and predators who
killed them and took what they had and not just stops
economic growth whatsoever, and so, if there's no tolerance for if there's
tolerance for inequality. It's possible that there is no way of generating wealth because wealth has to start somewhere and then be distributed. It can't be every
once instantly, and so that's right and the the the book. The belief that you've just described is what has driven in our times the radical left to grow. This massive controlling government that the state that is gonna be the great leveller that is going to. U know, equalize everything and redistribute the wells and all these other policies and produce, because what they're doing really is institutionalizing envy and division and and hatred for that matter.
It's a class envy and it's how they divide, as the marxist principle really did, turn the population to get some one another, but they've had some success with that and so again back to what conservatives should be doing right now we have to push back against that. We have to explain to people what the origin of these crazy policies is and what the antidote is, and I I think again that the solutions are the guiding principles. I think what guided our country from it's origin is what needs to guide us again and it's it's not a difficult art
but to make. If you have enough time to lay these principles out, how do you see there being translated into the principles? That
we were discussing? How do you see that making it
How do you see those principles making themselves manifest in the short to medium
turn on the policy front in the united states.
in the foreseeable future. What's your hope? What's your hope for transformation in
detailed map. We we've been speaking at a high and broad level, let's say when
advantages to be in the political arena like you are? Is that, while at least in principle, these
suppose can be transformed into policy and that's a tricky thing to manage, and so what are you
excited about it.
On the visionary front, I'd say on the conservative side. Well a lot. I think we have a tremendous and, I believe, an historic opportunity in the days ahead. We have a lot to repair and
store in this country and in I'm excited because I genuinely believe that as conservatives we have
answers to all the great challenges facing the country,
part of the reason? I'm excited- and I know that this can and will work- is that we sort of
a trial run at this already. You know the first two years of the trump administration. We achieve some amazing things for the economy, for national security, for the stability of of all persons, the opportunity that they have
and that is because we implemented some of these policies. Some of this philosophy that we ve been talking about for generations. We actually did it
I have been the the bull in the arena, so to speak of was was bold enough to advance them and that's why we had the great results that we did and then
when we shifted in I mentioned in the following congress and a hundred sixteenth congress, the one before this one, when we had the republican study committee,
in the minority we knew we could not advance legislation to the floor because Nancy Pelosi, the speaker, would not allow it. But
generated? What were we
get all the consumer is to work together. We divided everyone, did the task forces in working groups in their areas of expertise and interest in the things that animated them and when we created policies
all, these various arenas model legislation, things that we have prepared and ready in when
we're doing that during we. We worked with and consulted with groups along the conservative spectrum, these interest groups and think tanks and public interest groups that they they came together with us in
accessions- and it was a lot of brainstorming collaboration that went into this, and there was a real esprit de corps and a real encouragement that developed amongst the members and and these other persons on the outside, because they saw that this could come together and we can formulate a real plan. So you know we published that that document I told you about the conservative playbook for republican by majority and that playbook is an exam,
all of the things that we will advance. You know we run in this election cycle on what we call the commitment to america and that is sort of our current take on what the new gingrich in the republicans did back in the mid nineties when they took control for the Republicans house first time of forty years, the contract with america, but that commitment says the people weep. These are there
We believe in this is what we're going towards and you want to work for it and we're going to be presenting that the american people over the next two years, they're going to see a stark contrast between our philosophy and what that produces and and the opposing philosophy of the radical left
now is present by going to sign all this in the law. That's big question that no one can answer accept him remember, and this is important to point out historically, when the conservatives retook the majority under new
rich in the team back in the nineties, bill Clinton was the president
he never saw the light, but he felt the heed and he moderated and he decided to work with them, and so they
we're able to do some meaningful things on welfare reform and they checked off the boxes on the contract with america? The question is: would Joe Biden does he have it within him to do that too?
bert to his previous form, to be more moderate to work with this congress and get some things done for the people he's the only person who can answer that question and it's a real challenge. It's a rhetorical question, but it's a big one right now
yeah well, you don't you stage, you know looking at it from the perspective of an outsider.
some degree mean your country
Remarkably, functional
generally, you guys muddle through up hill and so
Maybe there's reasons well that that's how it looks at me. So maybe there is reason for optimism on that front if there was intelligent policies that were
that will be put being put forth by the conservatives and their workers compelling.
Practical reasons. To abide by that, it's possible that bind would be somewhat.
to be worked with
What about obviously dependent on who has the power granted to them as a consequence of the elections in the
look like that's going to switch. What do you see I give you could see what you want
it has happened, let's say on the energy front over the next five to ten years. What would you? What would you and vision? Because energy has become a real issue, not only in the union,
states put, obviously globally, and so what do you see?
What would you like to see happen? What do you think's? What do you think's
symbol on the energy front? Well,
Jesus is actually pretty simple. We do exactly the opposite of what the bite administration has advanced it in, and we have the of the test case, because we can.
Or to two years earlier and see what the trap administration did, the reason that we were leading the world mccain, it came energy dominant that time and and we're a net exporter is because we are
least american energy? We allowed for the vigorous exploration we allowed for production? We were working to complete the keystone pipeline in and make the channels distribution easier. You know there is a great demand, for example, for liquefied natural gas and energy.
which is a big export product of my state around the world- I was just over on a congressional trip not long ago it in the southern europe. We went to Portugal, spain and greece in croatia
There is a huge desire and need for that to be transported there, but you know this president turned off our beckett's. Inexplicably I mean it's: it's it's just a terrible
struck to set a policy, so we will go in and universal.
We should point out two for those of you who are listening, who were of a more liberal or progressive band is that
You really want to serve the poor. There isn't any.
thing you can do that's better for the poor
Then to make energy plentiful in sheep,
because energy is equivalent to work and so
what you're doing by making energy cheap is
spending the degree to which poor people can work productively. There is no difference between cheap.
The work we we want energy because it does work essentially and so this
another thing that disturbs me and puzzles me so much about. What's happened on the left? No, I used to when I was a kid a teenager. I work.
the socialists in canada and most of them at that point, especially
The leadership were old labour leaders, at alone,
people really were on the side of the working class and, and so
When push comes to shove, they were trying to serve the working class. Now you could debate the utility of the policies they use. That's not the point, but when I see the radical progressive tied to pay
to stand for the oppressed simultaneously: insist that the only way to work
Terry salvation is to crank energy prices up. I think what you just
have to do a rudimentary economic analysis to understand that if you make energy more expensive, you put
who are marginal into absolute poverty that
what happened
and there's a lot of people like that. So it's not that you just effect a tiny proportion of people and hypothetically you'd do me
in devastating the very people that you can
she is leading you to serve and
great mystery to me, I don't I its view.
Very soon,
turning to me that when push comes to shove, the left was sacrificed the poor to appease the hype,
good good interests of the planet, and then of course,
It doesn't even work because the other thing I learned when I was pursuing
The environmental studies that I pursued was that, if you get people passed, a certain threshold of wealth would look with
like about five thousand dollars a year on the gdp front, they immediately stop
taking a longer term view because they're not
scrabbling in the dirt, literally to conjure up their next meal, and so they can start being
turned with
really issues of meaning
into long term sustainability, which in principle, is exactly what the environmentalists want. So I read all that and I thought wow you know we could have our cake and eat it too. It looks like the best way forward to us
sustainable, now,
True world is by
rarely absolute poverty or what?
deal about is there's no people who are absolutely poor anymore and
natural world is going to thrive and more sustainable batter. Who could possibly be opposed to that
there seems to be
whose sole was so antithetical opposed to capitalism.
They would destroy abundance and the planet itself just to do in the door
they deem as evil on the capitalist front. It's just it's just its breathtaking and and
that the doors open up a new opportunity for conservatives and so
actually they'll be there to take the opportunity so well, that's right and- and I think we we have to part of the way we take that opportunity, as we articulate clearly what it is we're about and what it is we're trying to achieve, and I I think that you know what we have to ask the question: what what is the goal of our economic policy? What is the goal of tax policy? Why? Why are we doing this? While we we want all boats to rise, we want more
people to do better? We want to broaden the path we had a poverty from more people in the way you do that,
to allow that economy to thrive, you get the all controlling, centralized governmental power out of the way, and you allow entrepreneurship thrive again, that's what built a? U s economy and that that's what we
deviated from at our peril when it- and I think the people that are heard, the worse
say or lower income persons or on that
the lower the lower levels of the economy, because they have less effort. This opportunity then dug and in that that breach hopelessness and on all these other things we're talking about you find dignity and work and even greater dignity and a harder work. That's been
common experience. That's what life tells you later we'll? Let you do that
Vegetables. Absolutely news is that the
we're getting obstacles on the entrepreneurial and and and business front
say that isn't merely a matter of economic
utility, it's that that means that you clear out the obstacles to people,
opting responsibility and being productive and generous in their own.
Domains- and that is
the meaning in life is situated most fundamentally, and so it's not me
an economic issue. It's an existential issue and a
psychological issue and possibly a theological issue as well, and that definitely needs to be.
the integrated to young people- and I think it can be effectively I wanted I want- I know- were pressed for time today and
I wanted to close, maybe with something also practical, that
two things I've been doing as I've been going around lecturing is suggesting to my audiences that they try to find something that so
ITALY responsible to do, and that would be
joining a club of some sort of a church or some some organization beyond the family, let's say that's not immediately self serving that's oriented too
to a common goal, and so one thing that might be useful, for
but who listening to here is what do you think young people can do if they were
get involved on the political front, because
beloved. You just don't know what to do so, practically speaking. What steps could they take if they wanted to do if they wanted to start working on the political front? Yeah that there's a lot of opportunities for that, and I'm glad you asked them. I am often asked by young people how to get in
How do I get from where I am now to where you are? And I have you know it's it's hard work you have to feel called to it to a certain degree. We could talk about that unpack that as well, but
That is the way to find out if you have an aptitude, for it is too, is to go and volunteer and in their lots of opportunities in every community across our country. To do that, you have local, get out, for example, republican clubs and almost
county in america and they're, always looking for volunteers, and certainly young people were anxious to get involved and no put your right.
We're gonna get. You should also do. Let's talk about that really practically so you go, you go. You take your phone and you look up republic.
and what what would you, Google, and and are you looking for a phone number and email address? How do you offer your services? You could begin at the state party level. Every state in the united states has it's own republican party,
look them up online and call them up and say: hey, I'm a young person and in this particular
The community and I want to get involved. Who should I talk with and they'll connect you with the local leaders? If you don't know who those local leaders are of the local republican club, often there'll there'll be weekly luncheons and
No, these communities where you could go and listen and and learn and and become a part of it, look there's a great a need, a great desire for young people to be involved and and when, when they do show that interest that excites the older folks who are
and there they certainly find a place. I know a lot. I could give you a lot of examples: the young people who started exactly that way and now there she's the staff on capital hill in their their running. You know large organisations it. It does not take long to move up in these areas. If you really show an interest in
attitude and again you're willing to work hard so with very little kay, so that so that's worth laying out so to do all of those two
of you who are listening, who are wondering what to do so, make that
call or go to Google and do the search and make some contact and maybe be persistent enough to do it two or three times, don't just quit. If it doesn't happen immediately, it's gonna take a while, perhaps to be connected to the right place.
And then the next thing to realise is that if you show up and you're reliable and you do the work that's assigned to you,
you'll, be amazed at how rapidly doors will open to you, because all of these organizations or perennially desperate for help,
there's always more work than they can do, and so, if you go there and you do the work and you're
reasonable and reliable and you're able to learn and willing to learn. Then what
Ben, is they'll. Be more opportune.
He's been, you know what to do with and so
see. So many young people, I think they're so
people often because their ignorant in some real sense. They don't understand that if they knocked on the door, let's say in this particular situation it would open and how quickly that would happen.
And so if you, if you
would rather do something other than be bitter and cynical about the current political situation in your young. Well, you could try getting involved because you'll find out that actually works well
way faster than you think, I'm so that's worth knowing in its worth,
and it would be lovely to see a revival of civic responsibility on the local front and they
thing I might say about that too, for everybody was listing. Did something to think about is that there are always people who are
can for power, and you know that's one of the things the leftist point out, although they attributed everything to the power motive and that's not reasonable. But here's
here's a rule, all the rest.
one you don't take for your own governance will be vacuumed up by tyrants, that rule and, and so
If you don't shoulder, you civic duty, then
I'm one tyrannical, would take that responsibility and turn it into their power, and then they will compel you that's. What will absolutely have.
And so not only should you do this because it
be a great adventure and because you could get involved deeply in the political world and much faster than you think. That's the carrot, let's say, but this
it is, if you don't do it, someone else will do it for you and it won't be someone you want, so that
how tyranny arises out of individual out of migration and the application of responsibility,
so well said at one of their presuppositions of our grand experiment in self governance. Here in the: u S is that we'll have an informed and engaged electorate and you have a duty as as a citizen, to get involved, we have a duty and and to tie it back to the biblical admonition. You also have responsibility. If you're, if you're christian, let's say
two to be engaged to be sought light in your committee and by the way. What what you said just a moment ago is also a biblical principle. If your faithful and little you'll soon be trusted with more I mean it. These are just
principles that bear out with common experience, and you ought to give it a try. If you haven't, that's encourage but yeah well what one of the things that helps in universities than I think so pathological is that young people who are actually looking to shoulder some proper civic response,
would, let's say, because they feel called to bear some
Let the responsibility are immediately enticed into political activism, and that stands for political action and the
The matter is it's not very effective. It's also morally self righteous, often an appalling way, and it leads to demonization and polarization and an easy sense of moral superiority and instead instead and what
happened instead is that young people could be invited to,
join the political party of their choice in exactly demanded that you just described and actually partaken the process itself,
and that's actually more, sustaining and more effective than
pretending everything so corrupt that nothing can possibly be changed and waving placards. It though,
you think are agents of Satan saw.
the exaggerated end. If you go during certain well, so we
we're coming to the end of this session,
I'm going to talk to congressmen, Johnson
for another half an hour on the daily wire plus platform about the development of his particular political career and that'll enable us to delve more deeply into how these things might unfold? And so, if you want to hear the that part of the
conversation, then I would invite you to go over to the daily wire plus platform. The delaware plus people are making these podcast professionally podcast professionally produce pod
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we have charge as they always have been. So thank you,
for that. But we have this
missional opportunity to delve into the biographical details.
congressmen, Johnson's stellar career, and that should be extraordinarily interest.
Thanks to all of you who have been watching and listening, thank you.
your time and attention and
I would say think through the things we don't
boat today, turf
You know you are
A sovereign citizen in some real sense right with all the right right and the responsibilities that go along with that, and it's definitely the case that
you could find the meaningful adventure of your life in the bearing of that citizenship,
on stability, and I dont think that
any reason to be so cynical about the current state of affairs in the west,
particularly in the. U s, destroy up your hands and say well. What can I do about like join a political party
volunteer your services and find out how radically your life will be transformed over like a three year period, because it will definitely happen if you're in there and you're committed, and you show up and you pay it
and she knew reliable doors will open. Like you can't imagine
and then you can change the world in the way that it might in might need to be changed and you.
wondering what you do with your life, and so
It's called a civic responsibility. Thank you very much congressmen, Johnson. It was very
talking with you and I'm looking for is continuing.
the station on the delaware plus platform savages,
thanks. So much.
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