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Episode 245: Richard Chase Part I - The Cat Tree

2016-10-27 | 🔗

It's Heavy Hitter time with one of the lesser known but most brutal killers out there, Richard Chase AKA the Vampire of Sacramento! It's the most blood-soaked series yet as we cover his early life as a MacDonald Triad poster boy, his LSD-fueled trips to the rabbit farm, and his first murder.

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This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
There's no place to escape to so the other day I went to the dermatologist right and they were just like scouring. My body like they were looking for coins in my folder, so they were just until I can. Yes, I guess I was unique. He said he kept going Eureka every single time. They brought it. They brought in all the students to take a look at the body. What he saw this mark on my body and he said
actually have this mark here in your lower abdomen. I really need to check it for a second and look at it, so we look at it look at. It was a chocolate stain literally that is alright. With the last podcast on the left, I embed pistol. That's Marcus Parks, chocolate stained Henry Zebrowski whose works. Where was where was the chocolate I belly underneath my clothes, so this implies you're eating a chocolate bar without a shirt on, and then you had an itch and instead of no obviously no, what happened was. I could probably tell you exactly what was happening. I was the middle of watching kitchen, trying to shut my brain off at night, when I would try when I'm trying to meet or how many sweets I eat. I eat like little pieces. The dark, chocolate and they're very griddle, so once I'm done, laying on the couch and I'll eat it little piece of dark chocolate with sudden break off, get lodged in my chest, hair because of course, the meeting in my underwear, because the tonight, and then I guess in my sleep, my body, warmth, melts in the 17th
hundreds that would make you a queen exactly loyalty. Everyone is so rich. Now they just get to live like that. I live like a little duke. Oh my god, that's disgusting, alright, so please episode is amazing. This dude is absolutely horrific. It's definitely a heavy hitter speaking of disgusting and covered in stains. Oh my god, I don't think they've found chocolate on this man's body, he's mostly covered in blood. He's the empire of Sacramento and his name is Richard Chase yeah. We wanted to do someone really brutal someone really up for this Halloween and Richard Chase covered up a little bit in our a real live, vampires episode way way way back when, but we this guy really deserved a full two episode treatment. He put the
working and he deserves some. He deserves to get sweaty credits down 'cause. You said that in our Reddit AMA at the worst thing in your life is not being recognized for your work. Paul alive, that's correct and he actually wasn't. Unfortunately, yeah not died in one thousand nine hundred and eighty, but we're going to give him a go anyway. Now we're four days away from Halloween, you could feel it in the air. He sees Halloween Halloween Halloween, and this man it's probably one of the scariest serial killers of all time. Well, he was more of a spree killer. Well, he was a spree slash serial killer. He was a bit of a hybrid. He acts we killed about seven people over the span of a month in Sacramento ca in the winter of nineteen, seventy seven he was known as the vampire killer. He was known as the vampire of Sacramento. He was known simply as Tracula he got drunk. I'm from his time spent in a mental ward as a child. Would yes, a great
nickname. That is the only thing that stops me from giving him a nerd alert is because he got the nickname in a mental ward if he gave it to himself on the playground. So that means you are. You will eventually be a choreographer later in your life, because mostly it's because you like cake, there was a kid when I was in sixth grade, who was quite a drakuli himself, but he didn't he didn't get quite the respect of mister chase. Richard Chase was a schizophrenic. He was animal. He drank blood care where that blood came from and reportedly had a soft high pitched enter His middle name is Trenton, really yeah Richard Trenton Chase. Yes, they wanted him to be a lawyer, but then he just drank everybody's blood. You just thought that he, we have blood inside of his own body. That's the problem in the end, is he just thought he didn't have enough blood? The sad thing
Yes, Sir Richard chases childhood was unstable, but by no means was it abusive. This is not a Henry Lee Lucas that we're talking about here. His parents fought and eventually divorced, but by all accounts Richard Chase got nothing, but love support from his parents. The worst anyone could say was his dad was a little bit too strict every once in awhile, like the free documentaries, I watched the also the same shade, where it's just being like the standard level of 1950s abuse. So. He got slapped around a bit and his parents in the divorce. Kind of use them a little coldly. They use them against each other and he was weird from the very start yeah. So he was parents were both kind of like. Maybe you could have an extra.
Who is the thing is really going to stay with dad. This weekend, well, that's good 'cause, I'm a quart low on blood and daddy always gives me the bloody I'm a vampire I mean yes to put some perspective on all in the family took place in the 50s, and that was considered just hilarious yeah by today's standards. It's a horror sitcom, so Richard as far as being a weird kid he did exhibit the Macdonald Triad, which meant that he was a bed wetter. He liked to fighter, fires and, most importantly, he liked Mutila animal horse really liked him. You like to mutilate animals, of course, the Macdonald Triad. For those of you who don't know it these three conditions that a lot of serial killers suffer from when they are chilled Consider the Ronald Mcdonald Triad, which is the hamburgers fries at a military, so I was going to say the fish filet them, so one thousand nine hundred and sixty when Chase was ten years old. His mother confided in a neighbor saying that she had found a cat buried in her flower boxes,
labor later recalled that she had a large amount of cats going missing from the neighborhood, while chase family was around how many cats have to go. Sing in the neighborhood for you to remember it twenty years later, twenty one hello. What's the answer we all went over, maybe he was just trying to make a cat tree. The plan to cat does make a cad three another thing that was really weird, as he will not as weird he. You know he had problems, problems, taking baths, never cleaned up after himself whatsoever, you'd like to live his own filth. The other thing was so when he was left home alone in the house, he would turn the heat up till, like nine thousand and ninety five is as high as hard as he could get it remove all close and lie on the ground, a living room, just sweltering with heat I kind of like either
a little iguana yeah. It's kinda remind us when we were in that hotel room in Washington DC. He would turn the heat up to ninety five degrees. We walked in there and you were covered in sweat nearly or stick with stuff, like no you're just fucking hammered, is turned up to ninety five. In your sleep, I, like it hot and higher the number, the more cozy asleep now, according to well that Richard went to high school with he was popular both so Julianne romantically guy didn't have any trouble. Having friends didn't, have any trouble getting dates, but the problem Richard had with girls was that he was always important. It is really very fuckedup goes also. You know the word spread, apparently, he would go on dates with a couple girls and he just couldn't get it up. He physically could not and that's how important the penises yeah so to a man. Is it if the penis doesn't work? He will murder
entry tickets should check it, hello, yeah the same thing, yeah we're it's like something with the fury of it that the social injustice of it, and also by the fact that he was probably a budding schizophrenic or we know for a fact that he was a budding schizophrenic and that started to become an obsession of his The the erectile dysfunction. That's where his obsession with blood began, because Richard learned in high school that a penis becomes rigid when the flaccid, is filled with blood following arousal, so Cialis or Viagra really could have saved seven peoples lives. Do you think if he wasn't impotence, you never would have killed. I don't know I mean this is where this shift starts. When things start like you, don't know, if there's going to be another trigger that, the person on the path. You know we talk about this again and again that you know There are so many people out there
They are not serial killers by the grace of God, like John Wayne, Gacy may not have ever become a serial killer. Had he not taken that boy back to his house. Had the boy not made him breakfast in John Wayne Gacy not confuse the boy's breakfast night for a murder knife yeah and I strangled him to death. If the domain. Gacy may never have been a serial. Keep the boy had just ghosted John Wayne Gacy. All of those other boys would still be alive yet about the third. He just did it thirty six more times or if we just took one summer vacation to San Francisco and so that people could live free, someplace else, he'd be like I'm just going to stay here. They were products of a time. We just don't know what left or right turns these people make, but Richard Schizophrenia, you mentioned that the skits. Any reason that if he were to drink blood, then that would fill up his
his blood. That was the reason why he couldn't get hard was because he didn't have enough blood have enough blood, but that's not even how I'm sorry Susie. I know it's been a lovely day. I'm so Did you come out with me? I know I'm a bit of a pancake right now but that's just 'cause, I'm about a quart low on blood started joke, though that's the sound I make when I'm sad opposite day. Oh sounds! Ok, thank you, sound I make when I'm happy, but that's not get blood into your bloodstream. You afraid not yet, but I just want to clarify that to anyone who does debate, maybe drinking blood. I did have a bit of that when I was eating the Blackpool in Scotland, in Scott Lynn, still hungover, it's been like yeah of it.
I'm a regular, John Candy, so much blood in my damn skin ever taste like iron over there, so Richard's first attempt to fill his own penis with the blood of others came with a kitten he had gotten from his girlfriend's house. He took the kitten outback, killed it and drank the blood. Straight from the animal next? aim a white dog cleverly named Sabbath, who Richard shot and try to collect the blood pouring out of the holes with a Dixie well that's just a comedy there. That is that's a brief. You plug one hole in the blood goes out the other hole that he can't even she's, treating everybody like their maple trees. I mean everywhere. He goes. He just sees a bunch of canteens full of blood, it's kind of like a looney tunes cartoons. When they're sitting on when they're on the desert island, everybody turns into hams who that means you're hungry now to Richard's credit he did actually
go to a psychiatrist about these problems. He knew something was wrong: the queue this told the boy boy when he was drinking blood of the cats butt hole he's like. I think there might be something wrong, but he also was concerned about his own thoughts 'cause. His thoughts were thinking about the fact that his stomach was he. Certainly, this stomach was put in backwards, isn't as a kid where he was concerned about his blood, constantly talking about it. He went to the doctors a moment. Mostly he went thinking this doctor is help. Me fix my blood but they're really listening to a kid rant about how there's like basically show. Signs of severe psychosis and trying to like, with a bit of a time he's talking about hurting animals 'cause. He also he took the family dog and he would stab pause, it would do it. He would try to cut off its feet and you know do something like God doesn't need shoes anymore, not that it needed shoe. Before God,
right. So he underdog the doctors would at the time were like oh he's, just fucking with animals he'll grow out of this he's just weird, it was the 70s right. This was nineteen know this is late. Six lady, ok, late 60s, even it makes more sense in the documentary I was watching. It said two with forget: it's just called written Richard Richard Chase serial killer and there was a psychologist on there who was really funny rough. He was just English movie like Richard. Had sexy will, and he had started as an early age, and the one thing I notice is that when Richard went to high school, who it's weird like he literally just said. The church is like yeah yeah I wish they would just cut to like every side, I'll in just a dude, be like he was He was fuckedup nothing to do to save this guy. It will richer. When he went to the psychiatrist know about his dick problems. He was told that suppressed
Anger is the most common cause of impotence sub, specifically anger directed towards women. And, like Hillary said earlier, Andre Ticket tell he suffered from this exact same thing under ticket to let you know the the ripper of stuff that we covered. Earlier russian serial killer. He could only get hard during blood soaked violent act like talking his with some of the most brutal kills that we have ever covered these blood. Guys, not, surprisingly, are the absolute worst they're, the most violent
is there the ones that are most obsessed with their penises? And I said I'm really glad you put this in your little caveat. Just remember that if you are impotent, there's many other ways. Many many many other ways to get over your impotence. That does not involve murdering a woman or a man. Does your family doctor family doctor asked him for more details? They will help. You scientist solve this problem before we itself scoliosis before they've sold cancer before they've stopped his sort of any kind of problem eat, Pussey! No, you can you can. Get over your problem, learning Pussey and play with your. He has to get hard now chase. He had many other symptoms that we see in serial killers, from pathological lying to fat, showing no remorse or embarrassment for any of it. When he was caught in the act which you was again and again after a non remarkable stent at the local Junior College, Richard moved out of his parents house
in nineteen seventy at the age of twenty and moved in with two girls, one he knew from high school and another he had met since graduating. I mean to be fair a remarkable stint at a junior college means that you disappointed in the most upper deckers in the door. You sat in the most toilet tags or whatever would love you like. That's remarkable junior college guy, who are the guys that took apart the deans car and put it on top of the ethics building, but it is a remarkable junior college experience, but he lived with two girls which is really strange. First of all, 'cause he was a wiry filthy, fuckedup, already very, very strange individual, but he also sort of reminds me of like when two girls in New York, and then they end up living with some modern dancer. You know I mean he's just got like a one of those mustaches shave, so we got chili goes all the way down his neck to his
scare, like one of those guys yeah well connected that all the girls that Richard Chase lived with described him as a feel for the human being flat. Out refused to take a shower and never washed his see when they moved in with him. He had not gotten rid of all of his face He was a weird guy, yes, but when they moved in He was still I mean seventy. You know people were weird. People were strange, they could deal with that. They thought okay, yeah Richards, a little weird he's. Maybe a call Grammy, but we can deal with him he's also a small time drug dealer yeah. So that help two is that he had a lot of joy. That was a part of for how he made his little money that he would get because you've got obsessed with weed and asset yeah like in high school, and so he started once you're hanging out that crowd. It's easy to have some friends come over Looking for somebody to smoke weed with a drop acid with and uh the time it's going to be a guy like Richie.
Yeah. It does seem like one of those he seems like one of those drug dealers who hangs out on the couch for five hours after after he sells you the twenty bag, and then he smokes most of it, and this is pretty good weed right. You know the last week I had it really made me feel like my blood was bigger, but I don't really know if that's a satevo or indica, it's gotta go and got it this way. Is making me feel more. Like I'm a tape, I've got to get some writing done when he was live with the girls. That is what is really hard core drug use. K came into play. You know most people you can, make a lot of weed you can drop acid a few times and be absolutely totally fine recoup only cool, but those of you out there with schizophrenic tendencies like Richard Chase should probably
shy away from the hallucinogenics? Now it's impossible to know if chase would have gone as far as he did had he not spent the late sixties early seventies, dropping acid smoking, weed everyday and doing a lot of speed, but we can definitely say that it did not. Help. The grateful dead were not a good band, but they had a very long career unit. That shows that that you can do all of these things and have at least Lange Tivity. Look at George Clinton hum he was actually very talented and he crack cocaine Pressured yes, George Clinton. Crack cocaine, and that gives you the motivation and also did you slip. You switch from acid to crack. Then You could be president accused acid. Also didn't yes, you're right, of course, yeah and most people in most people can't. But if you have already intense psychological problems specifically stuff, like schizophrenia and whatnot hallucinogens, specifically acid. Are
going to send you over the edge like it did Richard check to look on the sudden look think about how much money you're saving on drugs. God gave you acid in the brain to start with Now one night Richard boarded up his bedroom door locked himself in the closet and boarded that door up to when asked why he did it. He said it was because quote people were sneaking up on me from the inside. So far have Richard again it somewhere. Thank you so much for bringing that whole bowl of insects to the to the potluck the other night, the utilities are. Do I don't believe in electricity? My eyes see everything. What do I need to plug in things for I got here, I got feet. I just wish they weren't on backwards again. Um please go, but can you
and I bet one dime bag before you go another time. He walked out of his room completely Nude sat down and started talking nonsense to his roommates. Actually, we've all that happened to a God true. But at one point at this point it's been, I am about to say that I'm I'm done this. No I'm his appointment reminds me a lot of a young up and coming comedian in New York City mayor. All of us want might know. It doesn't seem like it's that horrific at this point he's just having a good time. My friend actually did the exact same thing in college, while tripping nuts, he boarded himself in his room for until Sunday I get a lot of in the road yeah and another to time during the party spent during a party spent the whole night wriggling on the floor. Moaning and making strange noises are dancing. This is my dancing I'm having a good job. Anybody want to play twister and I do it without the board he's good at it. I mean
Did the screaming about blood and people attacking him from the inside. This is all pretty normal collegiate it's sort of like one thousand nine hundred and seventy activities sorta like Kramer yeah he's like raise a lot like Kramer 'cause. Also, the his one of his roommates boyfriend had a band and they would come practice and they always had this problem with Richie coming in there with bongos. He would have found these bongos and he tried to play bongos along with the band and they'd visually, to kick him out because he sucked at the bongos they were like. Well, we can't actually have him. He was like Yoko ono. He was like Yoko a little Andy Kaufman asked. If that band was smart, they would have seen that he was going to be a killer captain in the and, and they would be famous today yeah they really would be. Well, I mean the thing is about Richard J, so that's different from a lot of these guys that we know just these weirdos that couldn't really handle their drugs. These girls were terrified of Richard Chase, Of course, they were like his hostages, yeah they're, pretty much as hostages, and they were afraid to even approach the
possibility of asking him to leave, so they just a band. In the apartment. They just left and didn't look back but you could Dahmer, had roommates yeah, it's like the same a young dumber, a good person, because the key hasn't even hit the big leagues of his killing sprees. Yet nine. This is just the eggs of this killing sprees. I could see Richard Chase pulling a Kevin spacey at the end of usual suspects, though, and just like going into the shower as soon as they leave cleaning up like perfect plan. Unfortunately, ladies, I am actually a billionaire from Spain and if you had just stayed with me till January, the first you would have both each made ten mil wow, but that teaches you to not trust your fellow man. Now I've excuse Maine. I must dance to my favorite song turn on talking search rolling around in the grass
something about him like nothing, is so rich like something is going to change. I feel like there being super rich part. I like him a little bit now. It's around this time Richard started complaining the ship was going wrong in his body and none of his complaints about his body made any sense whatsoever. He said that his heart would beating every once in awhile, just for little periods of time. He said that his stomach. I've been turned around backwards and he said the bones were growing out of the back of his head Now I I have been in this is a bit of a two real moment for me is diffused. What could happen is that I've had very intense anxiety episodes where I've, thought that I have forgotten how to breathe. Like I put myself in the urgency room for a very, very dark panic attack. Where I just couldn't. I thought I couldn't
all my body when the hell did you do that. This is in the the first couple years I moved into New York, so I understand this sort of that speak in reality where you start thinking that Horsh it. But what happened was I went to the emergency room to turn myself in 'cause, I thought I went to tell the doctors that I forgot a brief turn yourself in yes, it basically, I went in there and an old man came in being helped by his son into the emergency room, they're, helping him out help him out of the thing, and he that the that the sun turns of the father- and he was just like our just in here. For a second look at the doctor. He leaves the big father just hit the ground face first and he's dead, he literally emts come out pick him up, put him on the stretcher. Sorry him the paddles and shoot in front of me, while I'm in mid panic attack and then my panic attack went away because it was like. Oh I'm, a fucking, moron, you're, fine, so so this is you, we've been doing the podcast for a couple of years. This is used. This is Usain
this is me saying right now. This is it. This is the best he's ever been. This is the most together I've ever been. I will I had a chocolate stain on me so deeply, embedded in my skin that my dermatologist when was cancer, has been slowly walks out of the room. All of his imagine, medical ailments is filthy now has shown very medieval is a yeah. It is like he needs to be a bloodless I mean who knows he might have found a book on. You medieval scientific practices and he took that. As fact, you don't know what sorts of things a schizophrenic mind might gonna with that is true. He did have anatomy books that he was obsessed with that they were modern anatomy but yeah. So he was looking at pictures of the human body and he just became fixated on himself like that, because obviously he felt like something was wrong like he knew something was wrong. He's drinking blood, he scream
he's. His dancing is more like an epileptic seizure. He knows he doesn't fit in and so he's thinking right now it's a physical problem yeah and all this made him extremely difficult to live with even from his theory. Yes, I can see that I would like to also see Richard Chase on soul, but was it so not so planes all train soul, train soul, train, try, remember shelter, that is a classic forty year old reference. Perfect! That's right! Around the time! family to chase now, of course, like I said, make some very difficult to live with so after bouncing between his mother and father's places for awhile, because of course he lost his apartment after the two girls moved out, he was initially sent to LOS Angeles to live with his grandmother here. Richard spent what we assume to be a fairly unremarkable year, driving development developmentally disabled kids back and forth to the
that his grandmother healthy. Just let him drive the short bus. They just gave him the ward of all of these children. Him just However, I mean like you guys how to get ice cream leaves all over and we're not getting ice cream we're going to bloodstone pull into the ice cream shop he's like alright fresh had put for everyone. Don't point, though, but I think that this is really it was always scream. You don't know what the you're talking about it right now. Your brain is a turnip. Have somebody who I mean it is truly horrified stuff. This guy should not be driving a bus full of other human beings with just himself in it. He drove the short bus to and from school every day for a year did he ever try to get any of these kids blood? I feel like they might be easily easily targeted. He hadn't moved on. He wasn't he wouldn't move on to humans for another four years. His poor grandmother,
no I mean whenever your grandmother whenever they send you the kid it's never good. No, never once it's always either your children have died and there's no one to raise them and order the secret garden and he has a wasting disease and he has to come out there to spend times in the country air, because the city air is making his eyes cloud. That's it it also and during this time period he had to live with her once previously. The during this, like he is, I terror at home and a terror ever he's, yeah he is a he was doing shyt where he was constantly in and out of the doctor's office and the mental asylum. They were checking a man looking at him when they were just talking at that he was constantly being sort of monitored, but every I think he's just being weird. He showed up at his mom's house screaming about how they were people following him took the phone She was trying to call the hospital to have them come pick. Him up took the phone from
Peter with the phone feel like it was, so these things a big come to a head. He was already weird, is grandma's house. It's just that this last into his grandma's house, things got re. Really weird yeah
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After his return, Richard ended up in the American River Hospital where he told doctors that his heart and kidneys had stopped working. His pulmonary artery had been stolen and then his blood had just stopped flowing completely, and this is also after Richard's been wandering around his grandmother's house for weeks. Little going here, a good boy, Richard very good boy and that's real like him like you're, a good boy, good boy, and then He would a rap his head in towels and saran wraps filled with orange slices. So that's kind of fun he's like a little glass of water and this is when doctors finally- diagnosed him as a schizophrenic. It took awhile. It took awhile it took it took until like one thousand nine hundred and seventy three or seventy four for them to fight only diagnose him officially as a schizophrenic. They told his mother. They said he needs treatment. He needs care but he's not a danger to himself or others, Estim back in
do the wild and to be fair to the doctors. At this point, yeah he probably wasn't. A danger to self or others. He was just a pain in the ass weirdo, but they didn't. They didn't know about him, sucking the blood of the cats and dogs or they didn't know. He did mention that he didn't mention any. They didn't know about any of that on this visit, because he took a few different visits to the mental. And and this one key didn't mention any of that stuff. It was more of an in and out thing and this was actually just a hospital he wouldn't go into. With the mental asylum full force until about a year later. And he got even more delusional once he left the American River Hospital. He accused his mother of poisoning his food He said that she was controlling his mind and all of these complaints were made to an imaginary friend that Richard had made sounds just like Eminem, that's, like
ninety percent of Eminem's rap sure about the exact same thing interesting. So after all this Richards parents decided the best thing to do would be to get richer. His own apartment up here, that is the best thing to do, is Salute Lee, definitely isolate him. I guess really really important to take someone who's, obviously very sick, covered in blood out of the time killing animals I have some now that you're officially diagnosed as a schizophrenic. It's time you get your independence, I don't need anybody, I'm like my own butler and also my own made and my own security guard and my own deep darkness sort of the malevolent will just be going now. Ok goodbye! So Richard spent his days writing his bike back and forth to the local rabbit farm. Richard would buy a rabbit, bring it home, butcher it and either eat the rabbit raw. Specifically, the entrails drink, the blood
or throw both in the blender and liquefy them and drink the whole thing down through the he definitely had a lot of higher. He did. He was gonna healthy in a strange way in all. This was done because Richard believe that his heart was shrinking and that heart would disappear. Eventually, if you didn't do anything about it now, psychology expert Christina says that this is an example of code, hard syndrome and cold hard syndrome. Occurs when a person believes that they are a walking corpse or are alive and rotting from the inside or missing important pieces of their anatomy, like blood or or- I thought that was being a comedian yeah. The first two, I think are completely accurate. We just rotting from the inside and walking corpses sort of we're all pretty corpses, yeah GC, Fuckin'
I also want to save the people who do own. The rabbit far must have loved Richard Chase and water business. You know what I like about him of that hill, not just by the big ones held by the small ones in the sick ones. That's great good forbids echo third syndrome. This is just as a little side note is also related to an asian culture bound syndrome called coral but your man believes that his penises shrinking and when his p This is gone man will die. That is so true, and the only cure for Cordle is for the man to gorge on the penises of other end I think the important word in that sentence is gorge. I. What is this idea that you could? If you eat a dick, you gotta get a dick like, I don't understand it. Yeah, like your fucking inspector gadget,
and how it works out there and there's a female version two except they believe that their nipples are disappearing and when their nipples fully disappear, they will die. I think that the human that I think that the female breast can be Butte all without the nipple. You don't need a nipple. I do like it, though I mean apple. Then, like my favorite, but if it was lost due to injury or illness, I still find them to be beautiful yeah. You can build little on. It you draw nipple on it. You can put it my face on it now in the nipples, the nose. Yeah. I know that if we want to tell you this is that's how you do it. I put two eyeballs over. It looks like a surprise face anyways anyway, one night Richards dad walked into Richard's apartment. To find Richard sitting on his couch. Bill is the Dickens and only wearing shorts. Richard told his dad that he had bought a bad rabbit thought that he had food poi.
'cause his dad will go over there to play cards with him right and they were like, hang out all the time and his dad kept noticing he kept having these these. These cages jam Rabbit sure, and he asked him. What are you doing with these rabbits and he's like I'm eating them. Father all Jim. I got Jenn. I guess it's what you do. A lot of people eat rabbits. It's not that so what you do not want people eat rabbits. Obviously you do not take rabbits in butcher them in your one bedroom. Women in Sacramento not usually has a documented problem with blood drinking. Yes, if you have one of those specific problems, it seems to be in my mind. You would not just having a bunch of justice. This point they're, not even rabbits anymore. I understand people who keep pets and stuff, and yeah. I am in need of a dire eat. The more you want to have somebody they churn your eat. The animals that you're taking care of he just,
You dim has sucks of blood with feet. No, I understand it was loose boxes. Yes, I get that he's living like Lenny from of mice and men. If Lenny was in the city of landing, was a vampire at well. We didn't, he didn't get the chance to be a vampire didi because he was murdered. Wasn't he in cold blood? So then, if he was a vampire was like George was a Van Helsing, so yeah that comes over to Richards place. Richards Pale says he bought a bad rabbit, rabbit Susie is food poisoning, so they go to the hospital and when doctors examine Richard, they found that he was indeed sick, but it wasn't from food poisoning. Rather, it was blood poisoning brought on because Richard had injected himself with the blood of a rabbit because he thought that he had eaten. Rabbit, food eaten battery acid and that battery acid, it's see through the walls of a stomach into his flesh and the only thing that could cure the battery acid rabbit blood was clean, rabbit blood. This is, second worst case, we've seen The first worst case was this
Zebrowski he came in covered in chocolate. All goes to after the rabbit acid incident. Richard was fine, really committed to a mental institution, means how many years does it take. I guess it takes. It takes a solid dozen visit. Yes, how many rabbits must be drained of blood and inject it into this man's body before they get him help? Two days later, he escaped by running out at the front door shut the door. He is very skinny. He was slippery again. He ran his front door. He didn't sneak out the window like Bundy. There's so many times when he is just running away and he is very slippery, he is very hard to get ahold of really slick with blood. I just wanna also reiterated again is that we're having a good time with all this stuff right as normal? We have our chuckles, we laughed. This man is
ill? This is a real yeah. He was literally covered in blood yeah. He was real. He was an actual person. All this stuff is true. This is a hundred percent. True, this is where he got into. This is where he got the nickname Dracula yeah. He was transferred to a big cut caught him. They brought a bag so like, let's go to a place with a lock on the front door they transferred doing district to different facility where he earned the nickname Dracula because Richard when he talked he We talked about blood here literally only talked about blood and killing animals. He said that rabbits, you like killing rabbits because they were like little machines. I do like this get rid of that twilight, idea of of Dracula, get rid of the the old and the second he's writing right. There was direct yeah. This is like the most for Ought to Dracula's, hiding in a ditch, jumping out and grabbing people by the neck. There's nothing sexy about it whatsoever. I now like this story is that, while evil, you know he was killing animals within the hospital and they said
I found him at one time in his and they found him one day with fresh blood all over his face. They checked his room and they found birds with their necks broken inside Windows ready had them, he was ripping off their heads and sucking the blood out of them, and they say Richard, where the hell is going on here, meanwhile he's mated with feathers and blood there like Richard not here with what have you been doing here and he's like, I cut my self shaving. That is true story. This little cartoon cat trying to eat Tweety bird. It's like the real version of that. So just hiccuping feathers he's living like a looney tunes, but with all of the Gore associated with real looney tunes, interesting but chase likely sub from what is now known as written old syndrome, named after the Dracula character, who ate bugs to try to absorb their power. Renfield syndrome, admittedly, it is not in the DSM five, but it is an acceptable diagnosis for somebody who is constantly talking
out covering themselves with an getting hard from blood I mean, if you could have just I don't even know, I don't even know what he could have done. Maybe just fill with blood and go in it. Every now and again, how do you get the blood made? All the rabbits? That he's probably knows the eventually you gotta get their blood. If you can get blood you could I mean when I was in Wisconsin deer hunting, he would have loved it buckets and buckets he could have played with yeah, but it's only a couple of times per season of Virginia have to catch the deer. Now we know that we go back home. We got a deer problem right now. We gotta call coming up man that mother Fucker could kill like five or six deer today he would have enough blood to LAS through the winter well bully for you, he would happen. Richard chase would have been happy in Texas right. He actually, he actually probably would've, been we would've given a job. The cider house to get the job like the hitchhiker in Texas, Chainsaw massacre like chop top get him but the slaughterhouse, true, absolutely and Thilo
the dry heat yeah and you don't gotta pay him in cash. 'cause he's already getting paid him. What he loves me like he does understand, money doesn't need it today's others sponsor for last podcast on the left is Adam and Eve. Dot com go to adamandeve dot com and for a limited time only owe you know it. You'll get you'll get fifty percent off just about any item. When you select your one item at fifty percent off you'll also receive three free adult Dv Ds, plus a free mystery gift in the top it all off, they'll, even throw in free shipping on your entire order, Adam and Eve com use the code, l e f t at checkout, that's l, E, F, T Adam and Eve DOT, com use. L e f t adamant that the Renfield Syndrome has three stages. The first is the patient cutting themselves and drinking their own blood. The second is the Zuffa Gia stage which a person consumes animal blood and third stage is.
Course moving on to the blood of human ever get to third day into the third. Do the second stage? Well I mean you: could you could stay at the second stage? I, like a rare steak, drinking the you're. Even the stand, that's not blood that some different. All together, I don't ring and out of your mouth like if the towel filled with booze you're, not a dirty table. The third stage is, of course, moving on to the blood of the Cumans, which Richard Chase would grow. Two, eight too soon after his release on September 29th one seventy six. This release was against the strong disapproval of everyone on the staff, except for Richard Doctor who said he had developed. Good socialization and had a realistic view of his problem. He's draining birds of blood in his room will meanwhile the whole time Richards. Also screaming I'm not here. I'm I'm here for food poisoning. You guys just broken me here, because I had a stomach ache would be screaming like that, but his mom also
a very big. They had a very traditional irish catholic household the problems were there, but no one wanted to talk. Sure, yeah, and so they had here was a good sense of denial, a state of denial, so extreme, because the moment was your control in getting him out a lot of the time she would go and say he doesn't belong in there. I can take care of him at home, but meanwhile the issue would get him. He would be a hassle for a couple of days and then they would send him back to his apartment that were they were renting. Yeah, and not only that, but they Shia early, weaned him off of his medication because she said he didn't need it. We know off the blood because of the medication. He said that he walked around like a zombie. That's with you should like it, because the problems again, it's the nineteen seventies. They don't have the same, not that the medication at the time is literally just stupefying pride. You she's, like put him in like a like a calm. All state walking around, but mostly this because it was in a coma he got paid He should walk
zombie, that's what he is that he has a zombie is the zombie Dracula yeah, because that's out schizophrenia, medication works is that you know it blocks the flow of dopamine, and also I mean certain gets pretty medications blocks. The flow of dopamine in the brain, which is what fuels the schizophrenia so, which is why certain schizophrenia medications may make somebody feel a little bit and look a little bit like a zombie. But a zombie is better than somebody walking around with a bunch of like rabbit heads around his neck in well and string. It depends in if he was in the forest or something maybe he's the king. Who knows trivia what was said before was I mean I used to take some medication as well, and I feel the same way did sort of zombie fi you Azama fire, but what was the character trait that his mother so badly wanted to get back in Richard Chase? Was she like Richard? just not like the same filter
monster used to be what did you want? He's dancing? Oh she looked. I remember he said shaking that Richard Dance like no one should be watching and they also the court awarded them a conservatorships after rich was released this last time from the Mental Health Ward, but they just allowed it to expire, there. He was so Richard Chase. It's aug one thousand nine hundred and seventy seven he's off his Medicaid. His own mother has told him that he does not need it, that he is fine without it living alone his parents, are paying his rent but barely checking in on him. So she it's about to go back and what's important to it's. It's like a it's much as he did a horrible is we'll find out. Richard Chase was also wanting ending in an incredible amount of pain, yeah. This is what
This is a person, that's constantly suffering the other. It's either between coma and suffering. This person is like, if there's something about that that will cause somebody to pop eventually in some way shape or another, either running out into traffic, or, as we see killing seven people. You know one: just to change places with richer chasing God knows. What's going on in his head, there's no way that he loves himself in any way or whatever, so in August one thousand. Nine hundred and seventy seven tribal police were called out after a car had been reported, a banded near pyramid Lake. On the Walker River Reservation in Nevada there they found a nineteen sixty six Ford Ranchero bumper sticker. That said, I'd rather be flying cool, stuck in the Tell me: do you have any other bumper stickers that say I'd rather be drinking blood in order to get
blood inside of my own penis will Richard we had this one that says I'd rather be flying I'll. Take it outside the car, they found a loaded, three thousand and thirty rifle and a twenty two rifle both stained with blood thing. We didn't quite bring up his fascination with guns, yeah yeah, it was has been building up throughout this whole thing, because during this is also a part of California, where there are a lot of people taking potshots at ship, they have. This thing called skip We will put into a river. That's it that's the that's the game that again you ever done it flinger issuing into a river yeah. You ever done in a river I'll, throw dynamite in the river I'm gonna shoot. The river
the river can't kill water. You throw ship out into the river you throw like melons out. Well now we're talking, you know, Mallory that yeah I thought you were just shooting the water. I mean you can do that you can shoot the water there's something satisfying about seeing the water jump. It just really rough when you're like uncle draws a bunch of asian looking faces, although I mean like we brought the war home right as a non flashback right in front of your eyes now. Well, that's very good, a perfect storm events yeah and Richard was able to get guns very easy, very yeah. I mean extremely easily an next do. The guns was a pair of bloody tennis, shoes and a blood soaked pile of clothes and on the floor of the car was a white plastic bucket with a liver inside sitting in a pool of fresh blood using their binoculars, the tribal police spotted Richard Chase
naked perched on a large rock about a half mile away. When the cops approached him. He took off like a shot, but was soon caught by a police officer on an atv. He was covered in blood smeared across his chest and face under his armpits and poured into his ears when the cops where the blood came from Richard said, it's seeping from Maine Chase was taken back to the station for questioning and it was found out. The deliver actually belong to a cow and not a human. He was let go once more four months later, just a few days after Christmas, Richard Chase would commit his first murder. Now, there's a couple of insects, so he was not well, but then there's no, not even close. I do love the fact that they, literally just
keep him in the again the excuses you can't arrest, somebody for being weird and if they did, which is true it can you He didn't tell your issue and it, and it's also nineteen seventy seven. Well, you know his car was there or was there a farmer that this cow belong to that no would want to press charges no way to check. No, it is yeah. There's one guy with its guts ripped out miss a liver. Now now that's I mean that can go missing for like that can go undiscovered for year. Olds. Also, they say is the wolf, but apparently in hindsight the police were like I didn't check his records and they said they had really checked his records and see how many times have been checked at a mental hospitals and like if they had really done an exhaustive on like a researcher to him. They probably would have held him, but at the time there are so many hippies wandering around yeah. It's it's a key like he's, got long, scraggly, hair right he's out there weird he is obviously on either bike. He didn't appear to be on drugs by me. He wasn't on drugs, but he definitely appeared to be on drugs. Yeah, I mean he's
naked white man on an indian reservation, perched on a rock he's going, be it's ok, yeah that guys on drugs and drug slang fuqing to kick him out of here. I'm sick of having these guys in the cells 'cause all they do all like to sing Fuckin', Jefferson, starship, and I just sit here and that song about who built this thing. Who did build it, though drugs that would have helped him out. I got pharmaceuticals now his first attempt Richard Chase's, first murder attempt would be actually unsuccessful on the sim. 27th one thousand nine hundred and seventy seven, a woman named Dorothy Polinsky was doing her dishes at six hundred and thirty p dot m when she heard a sharp pop, followed by breaking glass and immediately felt a streak of heat pass right above her skull, the bullet had passed through the tight bun Dorothy wore her hair in and it's lodged itself in the back of an open kitchen cabinet.
That bullet would match the gun. The chase would use the very next day. Now there is some where some believe here. The reason why he started amplified to this point is that his parents would not let him home for Christmas, and this leads distinctly from an act in which he took the family cat blew it, rains out in front of his mother and smeared the blood all over himself, she told the father that he shot the cat Ed didn't tell him the whole story about some in the blood all over himself like he was. Getting himself in a camouflage of all wall of all right, I'm told, and so they said no more, he can't be at the house anymore yeah. He came in call for a couple of days after that, and that was the the 20th of December. He cut his hair. He shaved he started dressing. Normally he started acting really normally. He started walking around saying like I think I'm feeling better I'm starting to feel good when you start talking about looking for a job. Meanwhile, he is getting guns, buying ammo
doing awesome over the next couple of days, so key pre meditated. All of this ship it started happening in his head, and then he, firing at people and like even more terrifying, because the music of the time on the radio just be like jingle bells and like Santa Sleigh, always awesome old way. So this is all the Christmas music played this entire time. Yeah yeah, alright, December 28th Chase took his Ford Ranchero to the streets of Sacramento, with his twenty two in hand to try again not too far from chases apartment, Richard by and spotted fifty one year old, Ambros Griffin, unloading, groceries from the trunk of his car Ambrose is wife later reported that she heard two loud pops. She turned around to see your husband slumped to the ground, while the first bullet missed the target completely. The second hit Ambrose right
in the chest, so he didn't have a desire to kill women. Necessarily he didn't it did not. It was that there was no. It did not matter and shouldn't take that long. He didn't take that lack of boner rage and and women for no, he started sort of internalize. It he's been thinking about it for a long time, so he starting to scratch and then you kind of see, where were those feelings? Come in, he was getting a lot of for l because they like from just doing little, may hand debts, and he also had been walking up to people's homes. That's the one. The another part of the lead up here is that he's been walking and and stalking people and he said he would see him around the neighborhood in people's backyards staring at them. The windows and she like that Michael Myers. Yes, he started really like doing the thing that we talked about with all serial killers, allowing himself the little things that will build towards and- and this is with this- is one of those that one of those periods he's was very ill sort of. Robert Durst in the jinx when he just starts going outside of.
Brothers house on a regular basis. Another weird fact about amber is being shot. Is that he got shot and his family were. Like he's having a heart attack, and then he was just like our been shot. I've been shot down there like he's having a heart attack like they were literally just not listening like this Henry is just because you know his wife, like every dinner. It was just like every wife ever dinners like I'll, have a second steak and you think you're going to have a heart attack. One of these days, yeah I'm more likely to get shot in the chest. Just don't want him to be right. Now, this being a completely random killing cops were desperate for any clues in what did esp cops, do in the 70s when they didn't have any leads. They brought in the hypnotist hello. My name is hunger crime using the power of the mind, while your chicken I want to free press to now, you think you're, a cardboard box, how many are dead. Well, we couldn't
I couldn't find a group of teenagers with a talking dog, so I guess we don't want to smoke cigarettes in your pocket. Hypnotize easy to do that'll do reason why they brought in there, but this is the twelve year old boy and reported a day after the shooting, a guy in his mid twenties, had fired a gun at him from a brown Pontiac Trans. Am the boy could remember any other details besides that, so the hypnotist was brought in now I'll pay attention tool, they have no desk and a one, your feeling sleepy and a two, my hands upon your knee. If no it really, hand slowly moving up to our hip pocket number for slowly going to sleep. He did not care that my hand is in the band of your pants five. All right did they have to be a pedophile Henry, Can you have one character that doesn't end? I don't mean it to be that you made it up. That is kind of where your mind
always go. We got a break him out of the market. Is I don't know what to do with what got into a discussion about boys that you just can't stop talking? If you do anything wrong, we are all going to be complicit roll. Your insides were supposed to pick up on a boy just the man alright. Moving on, we are moving on. After a long session, the boy recalled a license plate number two hundred and nineteen EP, but, as we know, Richard Chase he's a ranchero guy So you know that so it's like it's idiotic, like one of those vanity plates. It said like two legit I'd rather be in my ranchero love to see him do a commercial for them, not sometimes arrival ranchera round, it's kind of feel like oh, my Blood isn't enough, never feel your blood really know what Becky they're just really fuel efficient. I think I'm going to buy one so since Richard
ranchero guy that lead went nowhere and nothing to be known of the identity of the killer until Richard was caught, and so Next week we will be back with some of the the most brutal, some, of the most disgusting, some of the most third being murders that we have ever covered. I mean Albert FISH it's a long game like think about Albert FISH is like say like Radiohead like it they put but I do think about that- but acquired taste and it with all the with all the metal rods of his butt hole. He could probably be a radiator hangover. You set him up next to an amplifier or there will be interference or actually now I'd, say Albert FISH kind of like the talking heads long storied career. Really, it's really consistent throughout
Richard Chase is like television to amazing out spam bam and then out I'd say: he's there he's more like a hoobastank, I'm going say, he's like limp biscuit, because he couldn't get hard interesting. Orders can't get hard Fred, no idea. Actually, we did look at one of those sites. One days like that remember when we were on our way to Xbox we're on our way to EDS Monsoon room, we were looking at a broader still right. Yes, yes, yes, because people deal with grief differently. Yes, I forget what Fred Durst well, he was average and then who is the one that was really good. Slash had a good one. Yeah most of them see dancing. I believe in a very yeah yeah dancing had a tired anyway, okay, Sir Richard Chase, we are getting it to the get. The next episode is gonna, be grizzly and brutal. This was to great background information, though, on this guy yeah. I just hope you guys, for
so that you have enough blood, because you do if your roommate dances on the floor, but like his back, is on the floor, then you gotta, you gotta! Kick him out Is there like a b boy and their professionally trained at dancing on the floor? Yes, this is one of those times where we can literally say the magic is inside of you the entire time. Oh, my goodness believe in you I'll write amazing can't wait for next week. You can get pills for your dick, yes, don't kill, just don't, kill anybody ever buy any reason. I want to thank everybody. We I think everybody we did. The Reddit ask me anything this week, and I mean it was amazing with so many questions Marcus. You said we up votes. Yeah we
we were on the front page of Reddit. It was fucking amazing. I know you two don't care, but this is huge. I mean I really wish I care, I don't know what it means. I don't really know what it means that yeah yeah, neither one of you guys, know, really know what that means, but yeah it's a pretty uh yeah. It's a pretty big deal because I was reading this morning. There was like a picture of a dog on their way. Past was Richard Chase drinking the dogs blood. No, it was like a dog and it was just like this dogs gotta face Black Bob's burgers. It was just like up there and it was way past us and we almost broke the radio website from all the people that that when an this out thanks everyone asking questions you know we got to as many as we could in the time that we had next time. We're going to do it for a lot longer and get to a lot more of your questions, if you guys so much for participating in that that was fucking amazing and I personally want to thank everyone. Who's been voting for Marcus and myself and Henry for elected office. Thank you Henry. You be Russ Feingold Wisconsin, for I believe it's set it and
Marcus is the VP I'm. Currently I got two presidential nod, so I mean this is working out. Marcus might kill me and then, when markets Why is Henry the President? I will put this. I will abdicate the throne two. Once it if, if, if literally, if the thing happens in designated survivor and everybody is, I have three president, whoever This would be one hundred dollars his present. That's it yeah. Alright, I don't give a firm well, thank you guys so much for all your right and we also want to we've been getting some ridiculously amazing shipped in the mail, lonely an and unfortunately like I don't have the. In front of me, but I want to thank whoever said the Ambrosia Chocolate Company sign that we have up in the studio, whoever sent us. The TED Bundy pain. It says: I'm not your boy toy, pretty great, that's a deep cut reference. We love it. I, Actually, I can think this person personally because they wrote their name on it I want to thank Jason, mazis
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