It's the beginning of our Jack the Ripper saga this week as we paint a portrait of the hellish district of Whitechapel in 1888 and cover the first two of the eleven Whitechapel Murders as well as the first of what is known as the Canonical Five.
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One person's hell is another persons. Heaven isn't that homework will speak at a hell, we're going to talk about one of the most delicious crimes in the history of humanity: Jack the Ripper. Oh yes, now before we get started, I'd like to thank the good people at the Jack, the Ripper Museum in London for providing
it with some of the main source material for this series, including the books, capturing jack, the ripper by Neil Bell and the Jack the Ripper files by Richard Jones, recapturing Jack, the ripper shouldn't just be like one sentence being like we didn't, we didn't get it. Can you call it capturing? I don't yeah well attempting to capital jack. The ripper doesn't have the same ring to it. That's true. We almost captured Jack the Ripper one hundred.
Forty years ago by Neil Bell Book now, despite what the papers say, the museum is staffed by extremely friendly individuals that are very knowledgeable historians and I would recommend it to anyone visiting or live
in London. What are you talking about? What slanderous papers have been written about? The jack, the Ripper museum? There was quite
a bit of controversy about Jack, the Ripper Museum as the architect for the museum was told, or he said he was told that he was building a women's museum.
There was only one. He said he was that he was told by the people that he was building a women's museum that was celebrating the life of women in the
in in the 1880s and then, when the curtain dropped on opening day jack, the Ripper Museum
so he told he told the public. He was building a women's museum, know the people who were building the museum told the architect that it was a width, is beautiful and then, when the curtain dropped is like, jacked up is like oh yeah. There are women in it
This is how every architect in world WAR, two Germany felt when there are we, they said it was a hotel, really five dead women that were ripped by a cycle path. I'm gonna do the same thing when I go to a pitch meeting. A b c movie like it's about to go
trolls they're struggling in New York City they're, going out, you know they're finding themselves and their sexuality and how difficult it is to be single, and then, when I send him the pile that will be Jack, the ripper them just get fuckin' gutted like fish, which is inappropriate. I will say that the museum does actually do a pretty good job of painting a portrait of what life was like for women.
I am particularly ladies of the night. In
one thousand eight hundred and eighty eight in Whitechapel Batgirl Batgirl, Lady
by the way we do have to say the term prostitute will be used in this episode. We will also, I will also say sex worker, but I think officially the best term is ladies of the night. Ladies of the night. Yes, so I like to say friendly women, that's very true! Also now, let's get to
the rapper big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, I'm trying to think of music from eighteen eighties, and I don't know to me that's what I imagined sounds like. If you were to warn bells that had horns that were caught, I would have had that. Yes, no, the jack, the ripper murders occur between August
first and November, ninth in the district of Whitechapel and the city of London in one thousand, eight hundred and eighty eight now. What many don't know is that the ripper murders are only five in a series of eleven that stretch
one thousand eight hundred and eighty eight l, one thousand eight hundred and ninety one and while we will be addressing some of those, will be focusing on what is known as the canonical five Mary Nichols.
Any Chapman, Kate at Elizabeth Stride and, of course, Mary Kelly
we're going to say this right off. We are not
You would call classical ripper ologists, because there is.
Hi subsection of true
aficionados that do refer to themselves as Ripper aulnage hold on
Let's say this is a person who is a UFO expert. I think that there is
only one classification in the world of of horror dumb, that is less useful.
UFO knowledge than being
cryptologist also sounds like the name of the Texas Chainsaw Mass.
Her family, the feeling they called themselves ripper ologists, see the clipper ologist, also
sounds like a new fucking hipster, but like barber, where you go and they just take out your nose hairs in your ears, I desperately need to go there now
caught up. Nobody knows who he was all of the evidence is a one hundred and fifty years old what you wrote here, the conclusions that you,
do jack. The ripper just depend on what source material you believe is correct. Yeah, yeah I've found dozens of contradictions and inconsistencies, while working as some people to
the police, more, while others tend to side with the newspapers at the time I mean they use the fact,
is that you can read whatever you want into the ripper murders.
Why being hung around for so long and why people are so obsessed with them, because it's fun you?
but she uses people to get together. I think in like thousands of pages. Well I mean they're talking about everyone kind of gets to choose your own adventure find out who they want to be the killer, and things like that yeah you can enter a you, can pin anything you want on to Jack the Ripper. Now what we're trying to do with the
episode or the series of episodes to really give you a feel for the people of Whitechapel the.
I swear, they lived in died and just how we got to where we are today with how we view the ripper murders. Now there will undoubtedly be mistakes and in
accuracies in the next few applicants, what a fool,
that's why I say what I hear Marcus say in mistakes: you're talking bout, you flip them around again colorful.
Yeah. What is truth? You know no we're not historians an we've done our best with all of this, but we ask you to be
with us as we enter the disk
White chapel in the year. Eighteen, eighty
it also has on your nose, because these people only take baths every six months.
Basically the cleanest one town I had a bath five months ago. It's a witch
I knew it wasn't good to be clean. Here. That's simply put Whitechapel was the biggest hell
and all of angle, England now simply put Whitechapel, was the biggest hell hole in all of England, not to mention London. It had the highest death rates, the lowest life expectancy.
It was the most densely populated and most crime ridden area in the entire country and up you get a really cheap apartment. Yeah. I'm thinking that yeah. Now the almost half
million people who lived in the east end? Seventy six thousand lived in the square mile where Jack the Ripper operated and thousands of those residents were classified as homeless, and one out of four children died before
age of five hundred and seventy degrees. The surplus population yeah. That is a crazy high number
Seventy six thousand one square mile, yeah wow yeah. Now it's kind of like how they describe the ten
areas of New York City in the 1920s twenties looks like once. We really open the immigration like to
early New York like down in what is now the village. All that place was crazy, just people living on top of each other yeah yeah,
because we here in the states are coming into our own in the eighteen hundreds Britain wasn't quite the economic powerhouse that it once was, and the people at the bottom we're getting the brunt of it as usual, but even though they were in an economic slump, Britain's still doing
good. Now, what you got understand is that there were two London's West and EAST the west.
At one point had been where many working class people had lived, but in the
hundreds much of the working class housing was demolished to make way for office buildings and such and so all of those working class. People were shoveled into the east end where all the fat,
swear and all those cockney yoga shops. Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to taking notes and you gotta, remember son. You know yeah you're, going there Gabriel Living pushing this morning, your back, breathe through it. You fucking ape breathe through it. You fucking fat. I know. Besides factories, the east end was
chock full of slaughter houses, which is a bit of a problem with the ripper murders began. Is that we're doing
constantly walking around covered in blood carrying big bags and knives, this is a perfect storm for somebody who wants to become jack. The ripper yeah
thing is we talk about the beginning for H, H, Holmes Right would say the idea of like a cut a cut. A lot of people just out on their own searching for a future,
we're. Gonna see a lot as we've seen,
not serial killer cases about how the the location itself, the setting for the murder, create these perfect stews and perfect
it does sound like people are covered in blood holding the courts. It sounds a lot like
Chicago now, so isn't that exciting, yeah and also I can see Marcus just smiling, just imagining the pure freedom of being able to
walk around with big bags of blood covered, knives,
they just grinning and whistling because that's job now right and unemployment records being so high. If you saw someone with a bag of meat covered in blood, he successful he's got a job he's bona fide know. If you did
work in a slaughter house. You might work in one of the many sweat shops in White Chapel, making both sir cabinets, but the hours and conditions were.
The standard, sweatshop variety and job security was nonexistent, as there were throngs of people just waiting to take your place if you fuckedup or complained in the least bit- and they only made
but I think that's all they had or you might work at the docks, but that was all dependent on if you could get an employment ticket from the form in first thing in the morning and that was dependent on if you could win the daily brawls that accord that occured every morning.
Procure one of those tickets wow. So now, do you think that those guys ever sat in a group of four and said like hey, which one of
This is the carry in which one of us is this Samantha sort of,
Sex in the city thing yes, and not only were people
pushed in from the West end, but people from all over.
And we're showing up looking for work as their jobs have been decimated from the mechanization of agriculture and textile industries. Go ahead to add to that the influx of irish immigrants who arrived in the 1840s after
great potato famines, and then you mix in the Jews for arriving from Eastern Europe to escape widespread pogrom. So the jewish individuals, of course yes, the Jewish, in a few. Yes, no, yes, use individuals. Late hours of the night
he's a friendly women. I wanted to ask a question that I've always wanted to ask, and maybe it will
give me to seem ignorant during the potato famine
so that day- and this is a question
they run out of potatoes, and that was the only thing that they ate or that they had nothing else to eat, but potato
does this pertain and they were all on the no carb diet. If you did that what happened was the potatoes they,
another. Basically, all the food except the potatoes and the potatoes they got sick
yeah. There was a potato famine because they ate nothing but potatoes.
Why is almost nothing, but I for a long time ate nothing but potatoes, and I just got big and fat and swollen we got those good GMO potatoes. They never go science. The thing is about
chapel chapels that there were worse places inside an already terrible district. The worst area in Whitechapel was dubbed
evil quarter, mile, not
trying to hide it yeah, but the realtor just called it up up up
I mean how do you sell real estate a place like this? No, no, all the all the all the all the all the all the Auth Williams, but it's incredible. All you need to take is a nine hours with the flight to get people would pile twenty deep into
single house, entire families, would share one room and
once in a while that room would be set, would
let a corner to a complete stop.
They were subletting corners in rooms that were already filled with entire family. You just chalk it out. How do you I mean what I would all be? You know what I'd say. I dare them to last a it to a fourth night would
browse ski family, renting just the corner of our my goodness yeah. That would be disturbing to say the least, but the most common place to stay in the evil quarter mile was where many of Jack the ripper
victim slept each night, the common lodging houses. Now, in total these places house an estimated six thousand residents in the majority of the single beds were known as four
any coffins so named because they cost four pennies and they were shaped like coffins.
Humor were supposed to be an escape from the dark right,
you mean like humor supposed to make. You feel better. This is what this time you imagine. You have like a couple of Jimmy Fallon types where in the fucking
there's hat walking around talking about how they could suck their own dick and everyone was laughing at him, but I do is like is the fact that they have these four penny coffins and the
stuff about that. That's a good joke to help alleviate how they're just smashed into each others pubic hair all day and that's a good bed. I think it's kind of fun yeah,
because we were different because we're sensually Goff people and I also want to live like Vincent Price. Unlike late, I mean like near its heroes, run I will who could retire. He turned to me, but I don't think it's like that. It's not Elvira cough! It's not.
I always think you know it was. Is it Lawrence Hutton from once bitten the Jim Carrey feature? Yes, I thought I was going to be like her now. If you didn't have money for a for a penny coffin, you could rent a two penny rope and those worse, half panics, made out of strips, of course, sacking
for some reason I feel, like everything is death themed? I don't know if that's very appealing, it was a bleak place and if you didn't have money for the two penny rope
There was the penny setup. We know when it comes down to it. Why you paid a penny just to sit some
because it was inside yeah. There was uh
To put the penny setup was a spy.
On a long wooden pew, in which you would either sleep upright
or just slumped on the person next to you. Well, if you can
that trade trait that's actually really good for future office work. If you can learn to sleep upright, you can breeze through a day yeah you just gotta paint.
Bowling balls and tape, worms in the furniture eyeballs it looks like you're awake during the meeting, it always shocked
But what a good job to be the guy that rents out
use, because really all you need is a slapping stick right, because that's all you got to do to you got MIKE White MIKE. Well, I like to talk to me, like you, can squeeze a later date. You
you could get on top of each other. Alright yeah baby in that glass glass was what
I wouldn't do men give each other a bit of a snob. A snob is what we called you
we'll give each other a bit of Iraq and Iraq is what we call with two people give something. What I have heard is called affection. We think
the English is such a proper people, but in reality they were. It was a filthy bunch, so we think we think of the upper.
Think of the English we think of upper class. Putting the putting
pinky out when they drink their tea. That's who we think of with the proper english
These are the people who would be the first on the boats to come over to America right yeah. Now, if you didn't have a penny like
If you did not have one penny, there are always the streets, the churchyards, the graveyards
for most popularly the parks Jack London wrote about one of these parts. In his book, the people of the abyss, his focus,
in Spitalfields in a place called Itchy Park,
makes it cheap park in Spitalfields. Well that, if I don't know if they had Chris
math back then, but if they did, you could get it at itchy park. Now he said that it was quote.
A welter of rags and filth
of all manner of load, some skin diseases, open source, bruises, grossness indecency
leering monstrosities and be still faces. I did nothing to help them
his top hat and a cane stepping on peoples eyeballs. So now this is Jack. Love you jack! London was an american he's, a beautiful rider noise.
Alright, I had a little bit of money. You could have done anything you could always blasted them with.
Jose. I know now that's obviously seen as a way to break up civil unrest
that time that would have helped, but we don't know everyone. We don't know what information they have. Let's find out get him wet and so as bad as
Lodging houses, were they at least warrant itchy park in Spitalfields, but if one wanted a place to actually lay down you needed for pennies and it
so happen that four pennies was the going rate for street prostitution and White Chapel in one thousand, eight hundred and eighty eight now cancel.
We're truly alone, and you had to choose between a bed and sex. They would it would you choose for four,
the exact same thing, you get to lie with a person or without a person and one is in a coffin and the other was with the person and not in a coffin in person. Every time I mean I'm thinking here,
So if you are a woman, what's the incentive, what jobs you get? The factor work obviously not going to work at the docks. You don't want to work in the meat factories being a
woman of leisure in the evening would be the
only other alternative. What else were they were not filled? Leisure, you know what it was is that I just feel I'm almost jealous of them 'cause they really got to express their sexuality. I think that it was good that they could own it. They work today.
And ITALY owned they owned it, and I think it's a bit. I think it was big during that
they weren't up there, like you know pop in there p, which is a popular term nowadays, popping their peers for vagina
But although I thought Popper in your p was something like if I hit a hard speed bump, while I'm looking for parking at best buy pants pop the pig. No, this was not glamorous
prostitution. Oh this was not owning your body. This was survival plain and simple language, processing,
This yeah families, literal survival, might depend on a mother, wife or daughter, prostituting yourself, but
Yes, we but other women had turned to prostitution as a way to pay for their drinking habits, which was the only
tiny escape. They had from the crushing brutality of their day.
And we can all agree. The drinking would probably taste something similar to what we would lick off a bar floor. Now, no, it was beer. Yes, there are big beer, wasn't very good beer. No, I mean it was penny pines. This is my question Marcus. I was actually thinking about this yesterday. Would you think the?
who's in that time period was stronger or weaker than it is now 'cause. I feel like a lot of times. They were trying to make booze faster, so the booze was
strong. Well, it was if you look watch deadwood and they're just doing shots all day long.
I feel, like you're, not hammered they're, not like, like they're, not getting white girl drunk all day.
Really just it's just a weaker form of booze. Well, it was I wrong. Well, it was a lot easier to watered down beer and liquor back then, because you know it didn't come in sealed bottles or in those big metal. Cag that came, and just glass by
Bolzan wooden kegs. No one knew if it had been opened up, no one cared if it had been
So it was very possible. Some places like
watered down beer, watered down, liquor,
that was a that was a definite possibility,
Let's see myself like in this place. I don't know it would be a big butcher, get your drink on at night being a fun. Now that yeah you could
it's really been a guy who pushes people over on the bench or like throws drunk guys out of bars and stuff. He would've been a giant, oh
my day what a cornered me in the town square. They were tied for horses to me in and murdered me. Actually, if you look at the average height of someone in White chapel at this time, you would have been a foot and a half taller than everyone in the average yeah
like, it was like. It was so much that, like it, but one of the victims, she was five five and they called
long live long lives. He said she was the tallest woman they'd ever seen. I would be alone, that's for sure now the number put forth by a Metropoll
and police during the time of the jack. The ripper murders of just ST prostitutes, not even counting those in the brothels, was about one thousand two hundred and almost all of them did their business in the back alley, ways and secluded back yards of Whitechapel. They weren't bringing guys back to their apartment. They were bringing guys back anywhere inside
They were doing everything outside on the street and how long would one of these interactions last couple of minutes how you come?
I guess I don't know I don't comes down to get these guys- are just looking for the they're, not unlike a lighting candles and settles leader in pulling their way up from the ankles up to the cheeks you're going like or just I was told,
it would be longer outside
they last longer if we would do it outside? No, no. I got bunch of blokes watching me: do it bought all just dispatched and all that I give more a hand
Oh what a time yeah and that number of ST prostitutes was considerably higher than it was.
In the winter of eighteen. Eighty seven, when a rich muckity muck led a moralistic campaign that led to the closure of two hundred e
in brothels, so they couldn't even have sex inside they're, literally doing it on the street. When we say St Prostitutes is they literally go into alleys and they go like zip, zap, zap, zap, zap and then they're done
in this mean very dangerous for women yeah horse yeah, exactly
that guy I mean he felt like it was a moralistic victory that, because he grows the close, the brothels that there would be
You know that now screw in the woods yeah they would have that there would be no more prostitution boy because he was thinking if they're gonna do it if there, if they don't have anywhere to do it inside they're, not going to do it at all, but he was very wrong. All this did was make women easier prayed, not just for the ripper, but for unsavory characters of
clients, no kidding. They see. There were gangs that made their living robbing prostitutes. There were pimps known then as bullies, which is where the name comes,
That's where the word bully comes from used to be an old name for a they would start them for protection, and then there are the men
just refused to pay for their services in Winsted, beat up the prostitutes and r
alleyways, and then there were, of course, other prostitutes
we're always ready to literally fight for their territory. Good. Now one might ask why a woman would risk
all this just for the sake of a little cash. But the answer is very simple: Awoman can make more money in one night as a prostitute, then she could in an entire week,
in a sweatshop, no a managing what a sweet shop at this time period is like if you would know, heard what the apartment buildings are right in this time period, not sweat, shops,
now. Imagine working for a week at a sweatshop in 1880s. London is fucking horrifying and the idea is that you could be free, be your own boss for the most part and basically, what
have to do is indoor a little bit of of pure
horrible danger and you
leave a much freer life and there's some stories of women that used it to sort of like create their own brothels or move forward or get out of white chapel. But then a lot of times the booze Becaus life was so crushingly fuqing terra.
At the time we just ruin these people's lives. I mean I used to complain about working at Taco, Bell and and pop a jar, a pizza hut and ever were to Papa John's that I I I thank God but yeah I mean this is really how
like stuff here- and this is before labor laws, and everything like that. I complain about being professional comedian. Yeah see these women that way
doing all the street where they were known, as quote unfortunates and every night, they depended on the darkness of White Chapel to do their business, and that is one of the most important things to know about White chapel. It was dark. There was a cot. There is a common misconception that these murders were carried out quote by
the gaslight. That's always what we hear about the victorian times that anytime there was a crime anytime, something happened at night. It was always
the gaslight. In reality, the gas light was over. On the West end, White Chapel had almost no streetlights whatsoever
night. Well, you know, as I listen to this, I used to have this idea of Jack the Ripper.
Killing more of an aristocratic bunch. You know you always see they sort of they make him look much
or uh you know upper class and apparently he wants or in his victims in a lot of ways. Well, it's mostly because of the
person spread over who he was his secret identity for many years a lot of times they talked to this concept of gentleman Jack, like somebody who came from the West end to the east,
and did do his fucking sorted bull and then destroy the evidence and then come back and kind of the the common idea of who jack the ripper is, which I think is interesting
Look at this just psychically right, West end has lights, theater,
It's becoming huge there. That is where all the aristocracy are. That's where they hang out do stuff. They moved to the east end, which is literally physically black. We talk about when we
I miss you La Times with weird psychological system
so when it comes with serial killers, like the idea of like you know, when engaged and to keep his mom's house perfect, his mom's room perfectly done and out John Wayne Gacy would have to go down into the basement to do his fucking his
deeds and that he buried them below his house. It's like psychically he's also hiding them. It's kind of interesting
like this is such a beginning to that idea of
of the serial killer. Psychology is the symbolism, but where it's like you literally go from light to dark that place is literally a labyrinth of dark alleyways in side streets where all of these weird crimes that would happen that kind of
it's really started the wave of sexual serial killers and the fascination about them. Electricity
millions and millions of lives in many ways, but to be fair to John Wayne. Gacy you
go and bury them on top of your house. You know you
staples. They can't be shingles unless you put you fuckin' sample some antlers to him, get a fat due to the slide titled back of 'em. All look at my new
reindeer display, but John.
It's July. That's why I celebrate older year your machine Scrooge. I watch that movie Scrooge and said keep Christmas in your heart every day of the year. Why does it have to be one day? What do they look like boys? Oh, they are boys,
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As I said, the Jack the ripper murders all occurred in an area that was just a hair over one square mile, the five canonical
is, were only a few of the eleven murders, historically known as the White Chapel murders. These murders actually began before the death of Mary Nichols the first official ripper victim. They began with the brutal beating an assault of Emma Smith, a prostitute who is killed by a gang of three men on brick lane in an extortion attempt now, while it is almost certain that the murder of Emmett Smith had nothing to do with Jack the ripper, there is the possibility that the next murder, that of MAR Third two Brom, may have been Jack's actual first victim now, a few months after the death of Emmett Smith, the body of mark
so to Brahm, a middle aged prostitute was found in a pool of blood on the first floor, landing of a tenement building in George Yard. The only thing anyone heard was a start cry of matter in the middle of the night, but as cry,
murder, where, as common as the tweet in the birds in Whitechapel, nobody paid it any attention, so people just randomly
discrete. Well, if you saw a body you just like murder and keep on Movin, it was usually someone was trying to murder you you'd yell, murder, murder, murder, why century gonna scream free, popcorn, yes, and then everyone comes to your help. Our system to assist you know in Martha's body was found. It was discovered that she had been stay
thirty nine times from her throat down to her lower abdomen. Now this isn't exactly the jack the Ripper MO as she had been stabbed as opposed to ripped, but this does fall in line with serial killer,
behavior, and we know that many serial killers experiment before they finally settle on their favorite method of killing gays. He stabbed his first victim but moved to strangulation once he got a taste for it and like Gacy. The first kill of a serial killer is a lot of times an impulsive act where the killer loses control and finds that once he's actually gone through with his desires
who likes it and wants more- and if you look at the psychology but I but obviously the psychology behind the other jack, the ripper victims is that when someone kill
the body and has a body and does this sort of mutilations that they do
Nobody number one they're getting some sort of weird sexual thrill out of it, which
comes from the rush of starting to just stab somebody in discovering what it means to you like. If you have someone who's fan,
size about it. You fantasize about it and then finally got to do it, and then it's gone the good good, good, good good, and then you start stabbing you like crazy. It is obvious
Some sort of intense rage filled sexual crime, which you
goes through the did that that that theme runs through the rest of his murder and it would be
horrifying to escalate from here thirty nine stab wounds to the torso and neck. It's like I can. I guess you can only go more violent than that. If you, if this is your first kill yeah, I know I could be that Martha to Brown was the reference first loss of control as the first canonical victim will be found only three weeks later. However, it must be said that there is ample evidence from the coroner's report that there were two different weapons used in the attack and that the wound suggest that some were done by a right handed man, while
the rest were done with a lefty now, while some will argue with me on this, all reliable evidence said that the ripper worked alone. So it is,
fairly safe to say that Martha to Brown was not a victim of Jack, the ripper, because they think that it was possibly done by two men either way. Whitechapel was already on edge
autumn of one thousand eight hundred and eighty eight I'm going to sit right. Now, though, if you do email to argue with Dogmeat, just looking pause for a second at the end of the email think about what the fight is you're trying to do so, one hundred and fifty years ago, go for walking
you mean like if you're about to sit center, the email just hold on a second before we decide to really go into the true evidence of the autopsy reports that one hundred and fifty years old,
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At the time these were the most brutal and bloody murders that the east end had ever seen. That is until the body of Mary Ann Nichols was found on August 31st, one thousand eight hundred and eighty eight Mary Nichols was a forty three year,
prostitute, five, two with gray eyes, graying, hair and missing four of her front teeth. Two on the top two on the bottom. She had married in eighteen, sixty four and it burst five children, but her rampant alcoholism, like with many of the other representatives victims, had driven her family away,
on the ninth. That's what a good way to get rid of your family. It is drinkable wage. You get to have a good time. You mean you get to party too
We don't have a family anymore yeah. I think that's what all
Powlik, say in no way or they shells of human beings that feel totally shattered by their reality. There are three,
to be alone all the time yeah after she, after her family left, he was six years of prostitution, alcoholism for Mary, Nichols
California, man living the dream on the night of her murder, Mary Nichols was drunk and looking for four pence to pay for a night at the common house. She ran in
your friend Ellen at around two hundred and thirty am and told her that she had made her four pence twice over that night, but it spent it on drink at a pub called the frying pan, who, let's join brag about that. Ladies that's cool,
come down to it. If you, if you have drank your hotel money down, it's not the it's, not a fun story, I don't know
Ellen was happy to hear. I think Ellen was like oh
our say marry you depressingly
because I know I even know you need to have a bed. It's like a big thing to be inside.
I don't know. Man frying PAN sounds great place to get trashed. It does now Allen tried to get married to come back to her with come back with her to the lodging house, but Mary was adamant that she could still make
money and pointed to her jolly bonnet as she called it as proof that she was up to the tax and I'm not a victim blaming whatsoever. But you know the conversations like I'll: do it, I'm still gonna. Do it show you community tell me I can't do it. I'm also going to say this. I've never chose to slept with a woman be cause of her hat. This is strange. London
time between Mary's meeting with Ellen and three hundred and thirty am about an hour. Mary met up with the man that we have come to know as Jack the ripper he took her through a dark gateway in bucks, road to a thoroughfare, lined on one side by two story: houses an
other pi warehouse there, the killer, pulled out a knife and quickly slashed Mary's throat from left to right, severing her windpipe before she had the opportunity to let out a single sound. She fell to the ground and died almost instantly the rep for laid her on her back and cut the neck again, this time severing her spinal cord. He then moved down in jagged Lee cut open her stomach from the bottom of the ribs on the right side down to underneath the pelvis. He then stabbed her twice in the pubic area and ran away
possibly chased away by the sound of the man who discovered the body, a carriage man named Charles Cross, so now there was no sexual intent here. If he just wanted to murder. Well there
So it definitely was it when you look at the nature of that crime, when you're playing with the guts like that, when you're doing that, when you're dismembering the body it is about that there is,
I think that he had one possibly
imagine he came his britches, yes,
I did watch a documentary called the secret identity of Jack, the Ripper with Peter Ustinov, whether he got like a panel of Geisen,
FBI together, and it was like this made in nineteen. Eighty eight on the one hundred year anniversary, a bunch of docs, came out in nineteen eighty eight because it was uh huh
one hundred year anniversary and Peter Ustinov
this guy from the FBI to Peter you solve the big fat flabby face. British actor was not really. We will go to the bottom of this mystery of the end of this one hour documentary. No, they of course they don't they didn't, but the, but the guy did. They have the f B. I
would they describe this crime? He no tell me a directory happenstance. Tell me: how does one kill someone so silently
and he's like. Well I'll. Tell you how you do it and he grabbed the mannequin just going like we gotta come you gotta, cut throat like that, could throw like this, and then you put it
He was so fat and just sweating all over this man. Can you call give it quick, slash, slash here,
and then Peter Houston off. It's like he gets up and he stands it's very awkward 'cause. It's pretty television they'd understand edit it to be snappy in the piece to use it off. It's like a beat and he's like. Thank you. We don't know if he
Climax, though the FBI, I think he came. I don't know
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cross the guy who found the body as it was dark. He hadn't seen the extent of her injuries, so he put his hand on her chest and he felt it move. So it's possible. She was still breathing, he went to grab a policeman and he told her she's, either dead or drunk
as they arrived with the constable in to constable shown, is Bullseye LAMP on her body to see blood oozing from the deep cut on her throat and as soon as the body was taken back to the mortuary,
a local resident started her day by washing all the blood from the gateway, and soon almost all evidence of the murderer was gone. So that's good. It's just like what
He did. The LAPD did with OJ just clean it up. You know come on it's Whitechapel, you don't want the site
box to look messy. That's very true see that, while this may be viewed by
as extreme incompetence. In reality, the police had already gathered all of the information that was useful to them. They knew she had not been dragged with the spot, they knew she had died where she was found and they knew there was no straw.
Since the extent of forensics at this time was just making plaster casts out of footprints. There wasn't a hell of a lot that they could have actually done, and there was no real reason to leave a gigantic pool of blood in the middle of a public thoroughfare for the public to trod through on their way to work that day, whereas you now, let's get into the police just a little bit, the concept of a police force was relatively new in eighteen. Eighty, eight, with the world's first organized police force being created less than one hundred years earlier right there in London, the modern force the metropolitan police have been created. Less
Fifty years earlier, in eighteen, twenty nine from the beginning, the population view them with suspicion, calling them blue devils. An raw lobsters, interesting role of columns, cops for liberal lobsters from now on so strange term. For him not to give you an idea of how dangerous it was to be a police officer. The first constables took
Street wearing leather collars to prevent, guaranteeing and high beaver skin top hats which protected against blows to the head there. So they just look like fucking lady Gaga.
Walking around war. I love that look. I wish cop still dressed like that and they were
national look at like Trent, Reznor I'll look at look at Madonna from that uh
so that was like masturbate to that video. A lot yes yeah and since they were- and not only do they have
top hat, but they were all required to be at least five foot nine, which means they were
already, half a foot taller than most of the people in Whitechapel add to that a giant, beaver skin top hat, and you have a
imposing presence walking around the neighborhood, not the most trustworthy man around. Okay- and everyone knows on this podcast. You can't, if you can't trust a tall man,
Well by this standard markets is tall enough to be a police officer. I'm calling up to me, I'm not know you're technically, I would still be strapping my foot, seven yeah, that's true! That's true! This would have been a good time for you, so nobody in Whitechapel actually trusted the police in every group had a reason. The Irish didn't talk to them because they saw them as a stab Lishman
figureheads the closest they could come to the evil empire that had destroyed their life and oppress their people. The Jews didn't talk to.
Because they saw the cops as shadowy government government figures much like those that have carried out the programs they had just escaped in Eastern Europe, but among all the groups there was
strict, no snitch policy when it came to the cops and that, of course, made their job enormously differ
just just to say, I understand the no snitch policy at you know. The police have been sort of over policing certain communities and making some money off of them, but in this
situation is go ahead and tell if you know he's like yeah I'd be have almost beheaded a prostitute or sex worker. I just don't go ahead and tell the cops I think is interesting. Is sex only to almost the reverse here was that because
these conditions. Who are the people
going to be cops. Who wants?
a cop time, you probably have to be a psychopath,
nobody above well, that's the thing is that it wasn't like all of London was like White Chapel White Chapel was just the worst area you were sent to White Chapel in all. Nobody wanted to
sent to white. I'm sure you had to do something bad in in beautiful downtown London to get sent to White Chapel
yeah no problem we were in London. I wanted to go to White Chapel. I went to wars now, yeah,
great jack, the ripper Jerky jerky the ripper and
like also insensitive for ice cream. They got a group of buttons, Jack, Ripper CAPES in Gladstone bags well
other than the Jerky. I think those are fun products. The Jerky gotta goes a little farther people, distrust
the police so much that when someone in Whitechapel was a
Did the citizens would actually organize what they called rescues in which the
as a neighborhood would throw bricks iron or anything else that could grab at the police
LISA go six at a time to go and arrest someone. I have to admit that would be fun then
would be kind of got lost your body on the traffic cops
lost in your friend at a jail is extremely fun. It's like the blues brothers,
I think every day is like Ocean's eleven yeah. Now from what I could tell across
of police was actually like more likely to bring help than a cry of murder, but the thing is: is that there actually weren't that many police
researchers policing that area of Whitechapel, where seventy six thousand people lived. There were only five hundred and forty eight officers and the past and the
it's going to be crazy but crazy to apply to be a police officer, but they're big, you know
Super Mario Brothers, when they made that move King Koopa, the goombas he made a big gap made him big, tiny heads though yeah well, small heads are not smart or the police only patrolled, major thoroughfares, and even then it was just to hold the place together and react to crime, as it happened, rather than doing any actual police work. They just didn't, have the manpower not only that, but due to the ever present darkness, not only wear their ample opportunities for
time, but even if someone did witness a crime happening, it was unlikely they'd be able to even see the face well enough to recognize them later. Well, you would have got really
turn office. You gotta catch him red handed in my red, I mean covered in blood, I mean other than that we really you're not going to get anybody. Actually, that was the prostitution laws at the time. Is that the only way that prostitution could be convicted is if the officer
actually saw the people having sex? They called them. This pichis couples, and that's only when he's next in line. Yes, you know, I mean you know they should have done so you take a kid right
like a kid who just has a parents or an orphan like someone's around the street and come here.
Come here. Little come look at. Do you want you want to shower right? He said. Oh, please anything anything, but but this constant fear
cover men Kathleen, set him on fire and in the
through the alleys Hill illuminated
one that could be like the first sirens office.
Browse. We thought you were just going to be a big gonna dump you
it turns out that the smartest cup we got here in London early early, I'm good, oh clever,
Let's just go find that boy, the aftermath of the murder of Mary Nichols prostitutes afraid for their lives finally started talking to the police and the name that was being bandied about. The most was a man named Jack, Pizer aka.
A leather apron that is horrified leather, apron. That was the original name of Jack the ripper before he was Jack, the ripper he was leather apron,
I'm going to say that might be more scary. It indefinitely just sent chills down. My spleen there, I don't know why, when I think of leather apron, I think of a big vagina.
I don't know why either, but that could be a euphemism for one. I suppose he was given this name as one might expect, because he was almost never seen without the I
leather apron, usually worn by slaughterhouse workers. It can, I imagine,
wearing nothing else here, little like a little christian bale, but I'll tell you wish comfortable if it wasn't for the fact that the tipper more helmet here is getting pretty
we scraped, bother leather, it's gotta toughen it up. I guess,
word on the street, with peyser was in the habit of beating prostitutes, half to death for fun and profit police set to work tracking down peyser, but unfortunately, for the police
the Daily star, just as much of a bastion of hard hitting journalism as it is today caught wind of the catchy name and ran with it. This is what they said in the September fifth addition as they wrote a description of Jack pies are a k,
a leather apron. His eyes are small and glittering. His lips are you
Lee Potter in the and which is not only not reassuring but excessively repellent leather apron
always carried a sharp knife, and it also claimed that he is a Jew or of jewish parentage. His face being of a marked hebrew type
that bad to say. I guess it's the parlance of their time, but they know that
this is just a made up. It's just a made up. You series of character traits that they wanted to. Have it be be real right
No, they also are heavily racist against jewish people. Yeah the entire, the entire all of London, was had a deep, very big problem with jewish people and they blame them all. The time like the idea is that it was a huge influx of the jewish population.
I chapel and the view them as the big source of all the problems, because it wasn't other slack jawed no to media yeah, and then you add that to the fact that the most famous murder in white chapel, both for Emmitt Smith, was the murder of Miriam angel. She had been murdered by a jewish men, name, Israel Lipsky. He poured nitric acid down her throat forcibly so and yeah after
that Lipsky was used as a pejorative for jewish person. I see yeah and the crime was sort of look similar kind of like the Menendez brothers type level of crime right in London like it was like a very big kind of crazy,
tabloid crime yeah absolutely, and so it was that when the ripper murders occur,
Jews were the first to be blamed, as many believed it as impossible for an Englishman to be the perpetrator of such dreadful crimes. You invented slavery, yeah. It was against this background that the ripper would take his
convict him any Chapman which we will cover along with all the other murders on the next episode. Oh my god,
we're gonna wrap this we're gonna wrap this one up, wow all right. So that's a little bit about white chapel. This dark discussed in world idol. I love you pointed out. It doesn't happen by the gas light. Now you know there is some bizarre, beautiful macabre,
file picture in the darkness. It's just a brutal work
full of sadness in poverty yeah. You literally just have to find your way to the pharmacy
slash knife in the dark alley. Just
I hope I hit it right when I get to it. So we have a
fix scenario of disenfranchisement, terrible press coverage, the police completely in shambles I mean this is the ideal.
Breeding ground for somebody who wants to become a serial killer. Yeah. You look at someone like son of SAM, seeing things popped out like son of SAM popped out of the same thing, one thousand nine hundred and seventy
New York City. What a Richard Ramirez took advantage of an la these people like do this. It's weird, I don't know if it's a chicken and egg scenario. I don't know if it so you can't always tell like to do bad times.
Is equal serial murderer, but a lot of times they do yeah. I mean it certainly certainly makes it easier.
Competition. So what we talked about in our black serial killers episode that there were five separate serial killers operating in south central EL, a in the 1990s, and I would assume the victims in this situation you know now, of course, is we have so many years removed the sex worker,
I I'm I'm sure they were looked down upon by society and no one really cared that they had been going missing for quite a while. It was been that way since the beginning of time, since the beginning of the job, the people are
actually assumed that they were less than because they chose to do this. For
and they chose to do sex workers living, but when it comes down to it's been like, I was the only thing they had like. Unless you literally were born into money, you were fucked yeah, I mean less you
according to the monarchy. I suppose all right will
First episode didn't understand, Whitechapel. I can't wait to hear more about it and we'll keep you don't
so many pages of useless nonsense left to go through. So my favorite, though, is the
We'll teach conspiracy is my favorite and my favorite suspect of your anyway. If you are ripper all just yourself, Prince Albert at B, is my favorite. Do in this whole thing: hi
I can't wait to get there can't wait. God, alright, well that'll be coming up in episode two, and I think this might be a it's just a three part: yeah, ok, wonderful,
his neck was too weak to hold up his head. Is that right, yeah? Well, then, you don't get to live
hmm bread, British Fuckin', princes and bullshit. We got a lot to get to already for one. Thank you guys so much for listening, Marcus. We got
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Other people I was thinking about it being like. Oh man, I'm glad they didn't live there,
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