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Episode 267: Aileen Wuornos Part II - Dr. Legal

2017-04-18 | 🔗

In the conclusion to our series we cover the seven murders of Aileen Wuornos, the hunt that led to her capture, and the bizarre saga of her race to the lethal injection chamber.

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Alex Jones breaking character. Man, you just. Why is kids but weren't? You guys had the kids in the first place, fertile yeah? No not have them. He had custody of the children since two thousand fifteen he's got another one on the way he's a provider, the performer he's a provider in your performance. I would say he he, if you could take his kids away. You could definitely one day take pride. I will say the same exact his kid I was debating this and fourth in my mind, but I think his kids are having a great time. Well. Jones is your dad. It might be really fun. I think that he is a good dad. I think that he's a cute man. I think that it's unfair or what the wife is doing to him as he slept on one of his hired employees, which was not wise. Yes, he did break the contract. Conan quote of marriage,
not enough to break character. I guess not. Let's see we're good to go we are all right, welcome to the show, but I am Ben Kissel- that's Marcus Parks. We got this other guy with us over there in California. It is also been told to me explicitly in my home that I'm not allowed to defend Alex Jones. My relationship will suffer, but I am not allowed to say that it's unfair what's happening with him. I will I can't defend him as a political sage, but as a performance artist I mean this. Guy is better than Charlie Chaplin. He's amazing I mean you take am I when you start waterboarding, am I'm unsure how many Buffon classes he's taken he's going to start screaming unless he's the best mind Riverbend is the mind, say that's what I want to know busted out. Well, I
Also, I did predict last night at that it is. It is my beautiful girlfriend, then Lee Jeans, birthday today and last night at dinner. I did predict that the Facebook killer would commit. Suicide and I want to get points for that. What did he actually do that he did but come on? You know that is not true. That is such a safe bet. They all commit suicide. I didn't know that anyway, boiling Wuornos part two that was, that was new information. For me, every sabrosky is breaking news, doesn't cry made him? Do it with my mind bullet? Did you get Trump to release his taxes and your march? No, all right soundly ignore alright, so we followed up with last episode. We talked about her drifter lifestyle, of course, Aileen Wuornos, and now we're going to get deeper into the nitty gritty. I guess we're getting it all my goodness
we're going to get into the actual murders themselves. Now, when we last left Eileen, the drifter lifestyle had finally caught up to her earning power as a prostitute had diminished along with looks and her demeanor and her girlfriend was on her way out as well and, if tie left then only person not only who Eileen love, possibly the only person who ever truly loved Eileen would be gone forever. That I let lean so that very often yeah. I think that that's how she kind of they were tethered to each other in a weird codependent thing and I was just taken whatever money Eileen was bringing down. Well, I think we also have to take into account that we don't know for sure the lead singer of fog had didn't fall in love with Eileen in the lead, singer, fog. It been together forever now If I lean went out looking to kill for money specifically on the night of November 24th, one thousand nine hundred and eighty nine, what we do
so is the Eileen was stressed, and if we know anything about serial killers, it's usually stressed that drives them to their first kiss. Now, if only serial killers knew that stress itself was a sign. Keller, and then they could use stress as a weapon against their victims, but make it service like trying to pick out a sandwich at the sandwich, store and we still haven't fucking stroke. So it's like carbon monoxide address the silent killer and I don't think you could use carbon monoxide. I guess if you want to do the long, con, yeah I mean. Now. You can kill people and carbon monoxide, and I remember weird: AL's parents Oh jeez markets. Yes, I do yeah yeah, that's a really good way to keep yourself like if you feel like you're, going to come too fast when you're, making love think a weird
Paris or carbon monoxide poisoning. We can you imagine a like, for example, as in Thomas the great basketball player, not he is the son. He hit his sister passed away before the NBA playoffs on what he has to go play basketball and he was kind of like redeeming but if you're, Weird AL you just gotta, put on a fat suit and lick, and he did. I know we did a great show today to go out and do it nine minute version of Yoda to the tune of Lola and bring it. He is the best and he did he's fantastic now. We also don't know exactly how things went. Down that first time during the murder, as island herself is given multiple different accounts of what actually happened that night, but we're going to start with the confession. She made the cops following arrest on the night in question, Richard Mallory, the fifty one year owner of a clear water, electronics, repair shop, picked up Eileen around one thousand and thirty pm, as she was hitching on. I four heading towards Daytona. After picking her up mallard cracked open
bottle of vodka and smoked a joint. While I live, down A6 or a beer. They arrived in Daytona around midnight, but his neither were ready to end the night just yet they pulled over to an out of the way area where they continued talking and drinking, so they were driving the whole time. He yeah the bottle. Is she slammed the six beers? This story is nothing but drunk driving wall to wall. This is that I do that drunk drivers, the ultimate drunken driving cautionary tale. You imagine if they did like what is the Gumball Derby, whatever they hold anything else, Gumball Derby, over that they travel all around anyway forget about it. What DUMBO, don't forget to my God: don't stop with this little rascals, pistol there funny kids, technically, really sad orphans, but funny cat there orphan. I understand eventually Eileen got around to her help me make some money pitch and Mallory agreed, although it would take
until five hundred am to make his move, so you think about maybe getting into acquiring land. That's a good way to make money. I know it's a good sensible way to make money. As you gotta get into computers, have you heard of that said? Yacht bears out. Receive c plus it's a programming language, I could teach you or you could suck dick well once Mallory made his move? Eileen got naked and suggested Mallory do the same now Mallory was known. To be a generally paranoid person, especially after getting high and guzzler Soccer all night, and he said he would prefer to just unzip his pants rather than get fully nude listen hour, Expect you at our spec, your style, that's why I picked you up. I saw you I was figuring like we could connect thing. Is I only pulled the tip out 'cause? I don't want RD
ramblings to eat. My balls- and I mean that's, not the we talk. It is literally a story. My grandmother used to tell me about how she met my grandfather, not a story not too similar to what we're going through right now know what is a road gremlin exactly it's actually someone that looks just Thank you. Molly Well, I Eileen was against it saying there's no way he was going to zip her fuck. Her in her words, is that a term Get it in Eileen's world zipper. Phuc is a term, I guess the truth. She had a whole glossary. Real life was like a dick suck in Hitchhiking version of dune. There. I know there's an urban dictionary. I think we got to get a drifter dictionary out there yeah just different all the different words for like how you can get the bottom of your feet so hard they become like cleats, yes become like tires themselves. I guess
the argument got heated and Eileen suddenly realized. She said that he was about to say play assaulter or worse. She said she got out of the Are still make it reach back, the open window to grab her twenty two pistol still inside Mallory, grabbed at the which confirmed Eileen that he had nefarious intentions once she jerked the bag free. She pulled out her so and shot Mallory in the chest. Lmao We got out of the car and tried to run away, but Eileen shot him a second time and when Mallory fell to the ground, she pumped two more bullets into his body island. Sat there for about fifteen minutes, as she watched Mallory bleed out still naked this entire time and after he finally died. She went through his pockets, took all his money and drive the corpse away from the murder site covering it. With some car
She found supple things here very similar to John Wayne. Gacy is First Kelton in term of, and I and I actually believe that there is in the gray area here- is that he definitely did get handy or we're. Gonna learn a little bit more about Richard Valor gonna see why, but also the new thing is about making sure that they should can't happen. She wants him to get naked and her get naked so that she could, because she imagines and probably correctly assumes that it's more difficult for do to polish it. If he totally naked, but if we've learned anything from eastern promises, that's not true. So this would know this was not at all premeditated We don't know, I mean we really. We don't know yeah, so Eileen got back in his cattle drove it down. The road got dressed and finished web beer. She had left before going back to the hotel where she and tide were staying at the time. That's the first version there are actually about three or
Oh it's like the ending of clue. Now. The second version of the story told thirteen month during the murder trial of Richard Mallory, and the same one featured in the movie monster was much more harrowing and much different in the confession. Sounds like a drunken argument that ended in murder. She wanted but one way he wanted to do it and other things got heated, possibly dangerous and Eileen reacted wrongly or not, and it very well gone down like this. After all, Aileen Wuornos would not be anywhere near the first serial killer to stumble into their first kill. A lot of serial killers lose control in the moment and once that first kills over and done with something clicks in their brains and the flood gates are open, because now they were they pop the top, and once you pop the top fund you can't just start now, like not kill it. Now you actually got the rush of your evening with Jeffrey Dahmer is the same way again. John Wayne Gacy was the same exact way. They got that first kill. I know
so it's just like woo, it's like getting into the pool when it's really cold cold on it. So you're equating serial killers, multiple murder, multiple people to pringles not the first time he's done that in this scenario, in terms of us, has three friends sitting down talking, recording a comedy podcast I was in front of a judge defending myself for this crime. No, I think that's a really good defense. If I was her defense attorney, I would have brought a bot. I would have bought a can of sour cream and onion pringles and pop the top asked the judge to stop. Can you stop judge well, at the end of the day. What are we bought performance artists? No, I am real, I am sure real. Well, I mean really that's the question. We ask again and again when these scenarios happen. If that accident had not have happened, if that person had not have accidentally kill, someone in lost control? In that moment, would they have ever become a serial killer, yeah, but whether she
plan to kill that night or not. The version Eileen told in the confession is a little more gray in order to really sell herself spent story with Mallory and, by extension, every other murder to come afterwards were nose had to make it a lot more black and white. During the trial, Eileen told the story pretty much the same up until the argument. But she said that instead of her getting out of the car and shoot him, he turned much more aggressive, managed to her rest of the steering wheel and anally raped her. She said he then got dress tied a cord around her neck, pulling on it and Eileen can fast said she grabbed her bag, took out her gun and shot him then finish the job with a few more that's and that's the version we see in monster, that's the one in the movie monster with Charlize Theron. That's the seen that show us Aileen Wuornos, getting pushed over the edge that gives her the motivation to become
a serial killer, yeah kind of pain, certain very sympathetic, light, absolutely very intense origin story. This idea of she is in it and it does completely pen your opinion, her against being like. I did what I had to do like I I was I was defending myself, which is also the problem and is rationalizing in that way. Also is a very distinct symptom of being a psychopath right, where nothing's or your fault- and you wonder, of John Candy's character in the great outdoors didn't finish the grizzle if John Candy would have eaten himself to death, Right pop a top fund on stuff on don't stop. Now I want pringles and gristle. I like to grizzle, actually understand what the problem was with the grizzlies. If you eat at first, don't you
this makes for great motivation for a movie, and it makes for a very sympathetic character and Aileen Wuornos, but the evidence plus the testimony of time more points more towards the first scenario. First of all, the driver side seat was covered with, but as if the victim had been sitting there when he was shot and the trajectory of one of the bullets indicates that he was sitting down when the bullets were fired and when I lean, showed up the day after the murder to the hotel room where she entire staying tire remembered the Eileen had no marks or bruises whatsoever, and it mentioned nothing about an attempted rape. The reason why it I remembered that day so well was because Eileen, You mentioned the murder flatly telling her. I killed a guy today and yeah. Did he lego your Eggo? A lot of food references, this episode, yeah yeah, do you. It was also an eventful
because before Eileen told her about the murder, she had showed up with just enough cash to move into that new apartment. They've been iron hi showed up with the with enough, can yeah so I mean when you talk about motivation, you know you, we don't really know if she out there to kill that night, but we do know that her and Ty had been looking at the New Apartment, to gather the motel that they were staying in, and we also know that they had just got into that big fight over the Thanksgiving incident that we had mentioned on the last episode of the hungry man, meals with the woman meals, the hungry person meal, the people without food in their stomach meals. Now it's important to note that tie more than anyone is complicit in this, over the next year, Eileen would show up again and again with new cars. She had quote unquote bar
from a friend along with mysterious cash and various things that obviously belong to other people and tie never question Any of it and never went to the police and tie was not afraid of Eileen. They got into fights and from what I can surmise tie gave just as good as she got. She was dead honestly, not the wilting flower portrayed by Christina Ricci in monster. Now she buzz from home alone. He was actually not as bad as that movie made him out to be yeah. Buzz a little bit. Why go? That is alternative history that I do not I'm not going to be part of this. I can't be apart of uh the alternative reasoning behind buzz from home alone. So if you're Kevin toughen up play with buzz, going back fishing history at the first sign of fascism bugs bugs bugs bugs
there like bugs, but I bought a bug guy. I was not a bug either. I would have like buzz, but Kevin shouldn't. Originals are cute, no they're, not cute. I do I think I think that yeah yeah I'm a big spider guy who who yeah you're human cactus good point. No, the real Lee is that both Eiling Anti were terrible people yeah Eileen was through killed for money and power anti reap well, little benefits were to be had while saying nothing to anyone about the murders they were terrible like in know all the people in Seinfeld. Are you know they were really, both criminals. Yeah right I mean all the people of Seinfeld it end up in jail when they did for laughing at the fact. Getting mugged yeah, I didn't like that ending very much nobody did. It was controversial. Today's must cast on the left is the new app texture with
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He did his time. He was a well known, John in his area Florida, but the local prostitutes are regularly serviced him new, by name and none reported any abusive behavior by Mallory before or after he was murdered. In other words, it's complicated it kind of like that. Alec Baldwin, Meryl, Streep Movie its complicated. It is You're right, it is complicated. What do women? one asked MEL Gibson what about now it is possible that the night Aileen Wuornos killed him something snapped inside Richard Mallory and he did indeed commit rape which resulted in his death, but the evidence
the testimony of tie points strongly in the other direction and in fact there is even one slash three version of that story, told again by Eileen herself. In a letter she wrote to dawn here once again is Jackie Zebrowski as Aileen Wuornos. It was November. 24Th, one thousand nine hundred and eighty nine ten thirty at night in the midst of black drizzle hitchhiking on I four hidden towards Daytona, and he once it frame of mind big with revenge and set to kill so Cadillac pulled over to give me a ride with Richard Mallory inside mixed drinks and pop offered only for me to refuse and continue as planned in this pure hatred, I've Harvard for years get he himself intensive. That hatred when he mentioned along the way to dislike for various women, with the desired to kill as well his ex wife and kid. So with that the fire,
so I tried to sway him off the road with sex with much. To my surprise, he wasn't interested once part was he didn't? Have a chance to do a thing that gun pulled and he was instantly shot. Numerous times and so you can see with their truth being before you this was no self defense, it seems all this came about into play was when I was lied through my get a the go fifty seven times the self defense throughout the confessions. Yet I'm here to tell the world and all of you across the ball into eternity Techno where in self defense what rightfully convicted under the first degree. I mean. That is what you complain about when you're drinking vodka getting stoned, You complain about your ex wife and your kids yeah. What do you think? Does that seem the most accurate story to you? I mean it's tough to tell, but these were the ones
I would assume the final story is the closest to the truth, because why would she have honestly. I think that the confession is the closest to the truth. I I want to me into the serial killer profile and fits into the evolution of a serial killer from beginning to end the best facing highly Myrna said when it fits into her profile. The most I think there was for a confrontation with Richard Mallory which resulted in her thinking that Richard I was going to her. Maybe he was, but there definitely was a confrontation that sparked something in her which led to that first murder. It's the one that fits the best. So this slide bet you to be honest. He said Chity Chity yeah. He said something bad were in the car he's getting there getting mad that got into an argument for and he sitting there talking shit and I don't think Mallory was a good dude either. No, I don't think necessarily comes down to it, but she- I don't know if she in mind, to kill specifically that night,
it seemed like it was just some kind of set off and then once the again you know I'm not going to do the Pringles thing again that's good, but that would make sense if he was talking trash about. Ladies and stuff, like that yeah you know or we went out there that night to kill, so she could get money for a new apartment because tie I was leaving her Where does case, I mean there's no easy answers on this all right. It said this is among the most complicated cases that we've ever covered on the show again, because it's old drifter stories yeah it's all drifters stories and She also fell in love with the idea of herself being a hero towards the end of her time in jail, especially when you're writing letters, because you got so much validation like she kept saying she would watch the news and see people like signs of her like calling her a liberator and all that and she loved that. So she just leaned in and same thing with Charles Manson, with the guru ship. As soon as I started, calling him a Guruji love that idea originally because it made him feel good. It made him feel
strong, and then you realize, like oh man now, I'm actually in trouble- I'm not a good lawyer for myself. You know you like it. Also, if you like what you see he's caught yeah now regard of what really happened that night, it was only the beginning of Aileen Wuornos, more killing spree. It would take. Six months before Eileen would strike again, but this falls. In line with serial killer. Behavior most serial killers wait a while between the first and second kill as the rush they still sustains him for awhile there might even a little bit of remorse or, at the very least, fear that they might be caught, but the longer they go free. And the further away they get from the first murder, the stronger the urge to kill again gets so on May 19th. One thousand nine hundred and ninety were knows claimed her second victim. That day, Eileen was buy a forty three year old, heavy equipment operator named David Spears. It was Saturday and David,
is on his way, as he was every weekend to visit his wife and three children hi there, you look like a fun lady. You want to meet my family, my good you imagine, bringing Aileen Wuornos home to meet your family that would go along meet my family. You seem fun. You want to play scattergories with me and my family, oh it seems like. Did you get hit by call earlier today, 'cause you're covered in Skidmore. All this is this is dookie, my goodness. That's not good. The David and his wife were divorced, but the two had stayed close in fact: David had just bought her a new engagement ring. It was playing and ask her to marry him all over again double marriage, W, that's good! You gotta go by the hot dog again, because you can only propose to women if you put the ring on a hotdog in your major League baseball game and she takes a bite of the hot dog and then you'd be like that's, not a pepper tree. Now,
and that is the ring baby, it's also sounds like attempted manslaughter. Well. Show my hand, but I is how I the to present the ring. In particular, it was special as it was also David spears. His daughter's 23rd birthday and David was carrying a big wad of cash with him as a present, but you would never make it to the party for that Saturday. He decided to pick up Aileen Wuornos. First, This is one thousand nine hundred and ninety. When we thought when I think about drifters, I think sixty 70s, you know, maybe a little early early, 80s nineteen. Ninety we knew that picking up a hitchhiker wasn't s idea. Well. That was one of the reasons why later on police figured out that it was a woman because nobody picked up hitchhikers anymore. So I figured that if these guys were picking up some, off of the side of the road, then it was someone that look non threatening or not. Picking me up. That's all. I know six foot, seven guy, thumbing! No,
and also this in 1990s, it's difficult to hitchhike, but never mind. Now, when you have apps like divorced dad birthday present seekers were just looks. We just fall that app and just see where divorced ads are carrying big wads of cash, somehow placate their suffering family with with caches gifts, yeah and then going yeah and the guys just like. Why did I download this? What would possibly be that good outcome will be downloaded? This deal is apt. Well I'll said in her confession that spears have picked her up where route to intersects with I four, which is only about a thirty minute drive from where he was supposed to show up at two p dot m that day, a David was no, to be. If anything else predictable, it was far outside his character to just not show up without it
call in, and it was even further out of his character to pick up a roadside prostitute, just a few miles away from where he was supposed to meet his newly reconciled, wife for his daughter's birthday, right yeah, it just seems like really spur of the moment sort of like that movie. Eat, pray love. Maybe this was him getting his groove back yeah. This is going to Budapest. Yeah. We drifter he's just finally just getting out there like. Maybe I just do what do what fuqing David wants to do today? always do more. With my court, a court divorced wife wants to do a my corpsman quote daughter for her court in court birthday. Wants me to do: I have over David's day I've already I've already prayed. I guess I got a lot and I don't maybe wasn't with no but seriously was this an act of being a good Samaritan I mean most of the and that's that's kind of the that's the conceited. Think a lot of people have regarding these victims is that most
not all were just good samaritan 'cause. It is strange to me, but I mean they didn't have to pick her up. It's sort of like it was just there didn't I mean because I mean it wasn't just these guys that she killed as, like we said the last: so a lot of people just thought she was a woman that had run out of gas or something like that right. So there's a woman on the side of the road. She must need help. I hate, user emotions 'cause. He said she wouldn't dress like a normal prostitute. The whole point is that she wanted to dress like a mom. She wanted just like herself and be comfortable, and she was very proud of that. So I imagine they did think that, but also I consider myself of some watt goods meridon, and if I'm twenty minutes from home and I've got one hundred dollars like in an envelope in my car and I'm trying desperately to patch together a family that is deeply askew right and obviously there's a lot riding on this afternoon, but you can feel the pressure sure. I think the last thing I do is pick up: Hitchhiker yeah. That might be that. But what have you done? That makes you
kind of good Samaritan yeah. I have your history, the use of planned parenthood yeah we had a. We had a lovely birthday dinner last night, and I know you railed on about the Facebook killer for approximately twelve minutes still bad on I am God when you made who, by the way, you mentioned the planned parenthood thing, every single episode that such that actually makes me get in also, did you do that or did your girlfriend make you do that I did that out of guilt. Because your girlfriend made you feel better with out of my own personal guilt, personal guilt for the things that my when my penis could have done. I don't what it does. I don't know what I just desperately trying to be good, desperately one in one slash, four:
things we will give you a better one in a quarter. Think yeah in that quarter is something that you just should have done anyway. Ok, so this poor guy makes a horrible decision and he makes this terrible decision to pick her up according to Eileen Spears, picked her up drove eighty, miles away to a deserted area and got down to business at one. In the morning almost eleven hours after he was due to show up at the party were now said they got in the cab of the truck got naked. We're fooling around with spears suggested they get into the bed of the truck to stretch out a bit and when got there were no said spears got violent and when we're knows noticed a lead pipe, she hopped out got her gun and shot spears to death. By her own count were no shot him three times when police found him, they discovered it was more like six,
left him naked on the side of the road and made off with the five hundred dollars meant for David's daughter, but that is one of the strange things about the murder of David Spears. First, why was he naked if he did not have sex with her. Where does didn't strip any of the other victims and had no real reason to second, an empty condom wrapper was found in David's truck. Maybe he was going blow up the condom and make it a balloon. It's a birthday party. It is a bright, oh, no! Well, for me, David Spears, really is the most mysterious of all the murders. For these two reasons, the active ditching his family to hang out with the drifter, was out of character, but people do weird. Sometimes, yes, that seems a little bit stranger than I get yes, that is, we push it never mind. Yes, that is correct. It's just it's quite rated. I did this thing where I was
singing with raisins and for some reason I would shove them as deep as I could up my nose like up until like. Like my signs. There is to the point where my I did that and then I took a sticker off of a banana and I rolled it up into a, but I stuffed it so far up my nose go to the emergency room, so they could pull it out with tweezers. So queries that, with Eileen being picked up by a man shooting him stripping him naked and leaving him at the side of the road people do weird ship one thing do. We know for a fact: you don't even be raising still stuck up there God. That would be so hard little nuggets, the world's health, slot machine One other really weird thing about David spears when they found his body is that he wasn't completely naked still wearing a baseball cap, so she said the scene that she might have and how do you, the baseball hat on this is very right, but keep the baseball hat on. It's weird
your socks off. Now you have a button down shirt with no undershirt, so you just take it off that way. That's how you keep the baseball hat on, but you said I would like, with a baseball hat on 'cause. Then I feel, like I'm, Derek Jeter yeah, that's true, safe yeah, that we really don't know this one is real. This is David Spears is, is very strange, indeed seem somewhat askew from all the rest of it. Of course, extremely sad. We all know that, of course, just trying to bring some levity to this horrible story. Of course, yeah now that we have but I don't wanna, get this episode three hundred or something two hundred and sixty seven to know by now. Just so, you know we're trying to bring levity to these sad stories. So, two weeks after Eileen killed David Spears, she would take the murder count up to three with the murder of Charles car skid on a forty year old labor on his way to pick up his fiance, so they can head back to Missouri where he just been hired as a punch press operator and for some reason he decided to pick up. Eileen were no sparks
Eileen shot him. She said in the back seat of his Cadillac. Afterwards she searched the car and found a forty five pistol, which she said proved. He was planning a killer. Listen please just listen! For a second, I know most men who pick you up. Are going to be bad. There gonna be bad they're going to be, and I'm going to say- and I don't want to offend you- I don't want to make you upset at all, but not all and I don't I should even use the term. I'm really happy that there's no such thing as a thing called Twitter right now, because I'm not trying to apologize all actions. I'm just trying to say that forty five caliber was coming with me to antique Road show. I was trying to sell it for money because I mistakenly probably think it's worth money 'cause. I found it in my garage
yeah? That was the saddest character you ever it takes road show, there's nothing more depressed you when they find out it's a knock off the lamp. All yeah your family for a hundred and fifty years elect its worst less than other than the what it said so well, so we're not get in the boat ma'am nope I'm not going to become a self driven naval family. I guess not this year, I guess after finding the gun, Eileen added, four, more shots, Tokarski Don's, already dead body dumped it and covered it with an electric blanket and some grass she took the car and the gun picked up tie and the two took the dead man's weapon out to the woods for some target practice, and this happening- again she just showed the shut up and she just showed up the high. I gotta new Gunti won't go out in the woods and shoot it, and I was like yeah sure. Titan never asked a question ever
but that today I was reading an article, but it would have said about like how relate, oops last and how psychotherapist no relationships are going to last and a part of it is. The key word is easy. And I think that that's the best way to part about this year is no arguments is jumping in yes and sip Sap sop. I love you yeah. Let's take that gun. You found, full of our significant others ended up just coming home randomly with new cars and random guns. You should ask a couple of questions yeah. I never question you I want to ask a few yet 'cause, you're gonna be complicit in a series of murders, the electric blanket that brings me back. That's a ninety yeah in a bunch of houses burned down and they stop selling it. For some reason, it was kind of the dumbest idea of all time. Yeah yeah it was. It was definitely a piece of polyester. The detonator on the islands next victim a week later, when Peter seems a sixty five year old missionary with a car full of bibles, picked up, Riley
in his Pontiac Sunbird near I, ninety five on his way to visit relatives in Arkansas now, where they plan to have sex on a blanket in the woods, but oh yeah little sexy and rocks underneath that blanket yes corals everywhere. I don't think it is sexy now without it. No not in this situation. No, not in this situation. I don't know I adored sex like what sex is pretty great. I don't yeah, not just really to be indoors. I like don't like the outside. I don't like to be indoors yeah, but as they were, laying out the scene. Eileen, and she realized he was about to rape her. So she shot him left the body partly and took the car, unfortunately as Eileen was blast wasted during this murder. She never remember exactly where she left the body of Peter scenes and the old man still this day has never been found. No one stumbled upon this body. Nope, really not not,
and in fact his was the only murder she wasn't tried for because they never found his body really. She was only she killed. Seven. She was only tried for sex, but Eileen. With four murders. Now under her belt, it started to get cocky like they all do, unlike every other time where she dumped the car after a day or two she took a shine to the Pontiac Sunbird and decided to keep it a little longer and that's where I think he is the most wrong, because I draw over Pontiac Sunbird for seven months, and it is. I got it from rent a wreck and LOS Angeles it's not a high quality car, it's called a rent, a wreck, yeah rhetoric, but why would that be a good name for anything That's not! You know it's true that advertising you know you're getting it's a wreck yeah. It should your car cars just like Chevy Maloo does Toyota,
rocky when I thought it was very insensitive. Yeah seems strange, so she is killed four people up to this point and you think the worst decision she's made so far. Henry is the car choice. It doesn't even have power windows oh my god, my Toyota Celica my ninety two Toyota, Celica that I drove for years. It didn't have power windows in the Cela cat was a fine vehicle. I hear thunder bird growing up before I wrecked it yeah you could probably get it. How did you fit into a Thunderbird Very easilly thunderbirds are fairly large, and then I had a yellow GEO Metro convertible that I was longer than that was my favorite car of all time. Now, Aileen it either thrown away or sold.
The thing in seems car, except for one thing, whether it was a token of guilt or a trophy taken, like so many others. Zero killers do Eileen capped one of Peter's bibles in hers and ties apartment that had to have been a trophy yeah. That has to be like a thing that they've joked and they laughed about in a hat. So this guy do. We know that we actually were going out to the woods to have sex. I mean it's no idea. Well injector! Well, one thing that that you'll see that we'll see later in one of her murders is the problem with sing Bruno says victims is that they only found them after they had been decomposing for a long time. So a lot of the kind of surface marks that you can find on victims in order to kind of surmise what exactly happened. To put together more of a picture, all the service marks were gone, so we don't know if they
actually went out there for sex or filing pulled pulled out a gun, put it to his stomach and said, keep driving. Take a left here. Take a right here, took him out in the woods and shot him in the chest soon. But we don't really know all. But it's not until later that we start to get a more clear picture of what she's doing
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a fourth of July Eileen entire out having a good drunken joy ride in Peter Sunbird, when Ty suddenly lost control of the car and crashed it into a ditch near a row of houses. The people, of course, came out to help, but I lean anti after begging him not to call the cops ran off before anyone could get their names, but they did see their faces and when the car was quickly traced back to seems a sketch was drawn up and sent out now they were very distinct, looking people- yes, oh, very distinct, right, yeah you're, not confuse Aileen Wuornos for anyone else. Not at this point. None of these four murders were connected as they had all been done in different jurisdictions, and nobody had noticed yet. The pattern of middle aged men shown up shot
highways around Florida. I know it's gonna be an interesting thing later on during the trial, when you realize, like I'll, be a part of that she had to be shipped from county to county to county, to face trial in different parts of the state. He was very expensive to try her yeah. I know it's also very difficult to put together any investigation. Because of the problems of communicating between different fuckin' counties. As we've heard again and again, this is also one thousand nine hundred and ninety, so the the county's aren't they did actually end up using some of the databases when they really start to get a picture. They did start using some of the inner state databases that now I believe, prevent serial killers from getting the body counts that they used to get. It is amazing how much how quickly technology has changed. It's amazing a ninety. You can still get away with this kind of stuff for long periods of time, yeah,
The reason why you know people ask why aren't there, it is many serial killers now is there were back, then, is because you can't do it. The prevention techniques have actually gotten quite sophisticated, they've, gotten quite good. Actually I'd, say: law enforcement did a very good job of keeping serial killing from getting out of hand like it wants to also our attention span is greatly strong, greatly shrunk because of the phones. The phone games, that's right, but I do think that we see more spree kills now and more just snap mass murders we absolutely see more of those those used to be fair. I mean they did happened. I mean it's not a brand new phenomenon. Of course we had Charles Whitman. We had the Luby's massacre like we had the Mcdonald's massacre, they've been that we've had Martin Bryant School, I get. Mass shootings have been happening for a very long time. It's just now they're happening with more and more frequent. If you want to know your weight at the the victims, if you wanna hear the victims of the women shooting in Texas the tower
is an amazing documentary. I've never seen that focuses on the victims, and it is, it makes you cry. I did I cried and I cried, but it is phenomenal, so check out tower on Netflix and we tell how many more are streamed. Live murders were going to have might have a lot more. The two reporters that are the cameraman and reporter the passed away with the shooting of this guy? I mean it's, it's so ridiculous. Facebook has to fix them at all. Another baseball, gloves, really backfired and then yeah. I it's not really good yeah kind of fun to watch the mistake. They made interesting to see it on a unravel in real time, even though these jurisdictions weren't talking to each other just yet most of these jurisdictions had come up with the that it was probably a woman who was the perpetrator. Like Earlier, one of the investigators, a captain, Steve vinegar
what Steve you like Steve, Beniger, yes, breakfast for every meal sounds like the kind of guy just like I figured. If you don't have syrup on it, I don't think I could detail tell me, I got a funny little joke. How can you tell if a cop's good, if it's last name vinegar, vinegar, The reason that the murders were probably done by strangers picked up from the road because, as we said before, serial Key- are the hardest perpetrators to catch, because most murders are solved within the first forty eight hours, or so and the vast majority of the time it is a perpetrator that the victim knows? Serial killings are totally random and I think, in this scenario, pointed towards some sort of a drifter murder, but nobody picked up his
Kerr's anymore. This is one thousand nine hundred and ninety. This is after Henry Lee Lucas. This is after Charles Manson. This is, after all, of these killers and head serial killers had had their reigns of terror across the country, so theorized that it was probably a woman posing as a motorist in distress or something like that, it was probably committing the murders. She I mean she is old school for the nineteen nineties, she's like someone with an AOL account, you know what are they hiding? Can you trust them? I don't think so. You went the way of the car phone and then she also this again it's but it's old West she's bringing old west into the nineteen nineties. It's about being! like a have: a no tether just being out on the road. It's is romantic if it did not involve all the drunken murder yeah. I remember you just reminded me when my I got a car phone for the first time yeah and he forced to have to call a friend of his and it didn't work
and although I don't know, we gotta move the carpets, but actually there's not no signal contact six feet seriously. I think by Benjamin like I'm having a blast. Yes, we did call the house to call my mother and that it would be. I just didn't. It did end up working and then it was it was. It was like okay, where is it where you guys were calling from their data car phone? Your band, you may know one day you work hard enough. You can afford to have a gigantic two thousand pound full, steering wheel like I got yeah one thousand five hundred bucks for it. So two women were seen running away from the scene of an accident involving the car of a missing man. The female theory was even a little more credence, but in the end the thing that would help to take it down. We're no More than anything from this scene would be the bloody palm print she left behind on the Pontiac Sunbird. But before that could have,
She would kill three more times at the, end of July Eileen killed a fifty year old sausage salesman named Tony Bouresse. Oh he's a sausage salesman yeah he said you don't gotta kill me were sitting on close to two million dollars worth of free me. Size. It legally sing to me you're like a reasonable girl. I got nothing. Ninety pounds of the fighting is brat you gotta, have it snap to their bite? It's just wonderful you don't want to know how it's made, though that's kind of a funny. That's a classic joke! Troy's sausage truck will be found the next day, but his body would not be found for Another month you can't kill killing the sauces salesman. He's got a
underfeed. This is making me upset, I'm not happy with what's happened, I haven't been happy with the whole. I would any of the murders, but now we have sausage involved. I knew the sausage would test you touch here, it's just completely now what should I do with this life other than giving you a good high quality? One hundred percent pure beef sausage, and you know for Little League games or random picnics cubed beef next to slice. Bread is one of the most important inventions of human. This is like killing a rocket scientist of american society, and you know what sausage never killed, anyone other than the diabetes to heart disease, Things like his co lead your eight hundred yep, a don can't yeah millions yep well, but if you think about they died, eaten saucer. It's okay, Troy's body, I found it was badly decomposed as it was Florida. An buddies compose very quickly in that climate, and I would just
the all the reptiles and stuff like that, yeah, probably no yeah. I have their way with the with the body, reptiles, birds, insects, I mean about a body decomposes and disappears very fast and for an iguana living your asshole for every month, even though the body was badly best. That's not! It is possible, though we're moving in. I got a new gonna home forest kind of cute. The cartoon and if people didn't die. So that is the truth on that very true, not the identification, has made, but through his wedding ring, which new forensic expert Karan made sure to point out to me was a miserable way: to identify a body as wedding rings, aren't very unique and what is a quote. Unquote: forensic expert Karan Sound. Like news
today, the misery arrange identify about is reading means very unique, definitely no way a potted plant in your office no way. The next murder came on September one thousand nine hundred and ninety. This time the victim was Dick Humphreys, a former police chief who found a second career as a child abuse investigator. His body was found the next day by a couple of kids, behave some deserted housing developments. He was slumped over in a field fully dressed with his pockets, turned out in seven bullets in his body, this time, Eileen would take it a step further instead of just torso shot. As she had done with every other murder Eileen. Would the killing blow to Dick Humphries execution style, shooting him in the back of the head. This is a clear example of serial killer escalation. She likes it then these obviously- and I think it's got a lot to do with him being a cop and him coming
I would I'm certain that she felt like a massive massive bitterness towards police idea this guy in the car and then just like folk. It we're going for a ride. I'm going to I'm going to get one off on you, but this guy was trying to help kids right. Yeah I mean he was like the exact I mean that people like him and Peter seems so. You know these guys fit the profile. Then you know not a violent rapist, but of a guy who would go out of his way to help out a strange woman on the side of the road. I mean I'm not to victim blame a guy he's stupid enough to do it like it comes down to you. Just don't do this shit, that's why you don't do this ship could be if you like, good Samaritan or a bible salesman? If you are, you know that is one of God's duties to help other people ornate and then, of course, if you're a sausage salesman, you want to get that product out to as many people as Poss It's true. It's one person times grassroots grassroots yeah, but yeah. I these these guys were. They were good Samaritans and she and she
advantage of that and she not only took advantage of that. But through her explanation of why she killed she ended up. She slandered their name as well by branding them. And possible murderers, and also with Dick on the right side of his stomach, was a circular bruise in the shape of a gun barrel suggesting the Eileen had held it there for quite awhile, which to me sounds a hell of a lot like robbery than self defense. So, with shrimp said she was in the quota quote Robin Bits. This is about this is not making money. Now it's a boat and it's interesting because there's certain killers it did. That too, like Richard Ramirez would turn he obviously had a sexual each other to the murders, of course, but also he robbed the whole house where it's like, that's where the intentions? Are it's almost like she looked like it was kind of like her job too yeah. It was the only way she made money. You get. The feeling that draw cool of Sacramento would have loved the sausage
just drop the sausage wife to get rid of it. I can't stop thinking of an entire just trouble. That's awesome! What are you pulling? Tubes are tubes of blood. That's funny! It's just sad, because I don't have enough blood you got a bite it. You could suck a sausage for a while? We would slowly dissolve, I suppose, Eileen's last VIC, would meet the same fate on November 17th, one thousand nine hundred and ninety Almost a year after her killing spree began, he was sixty year old, trucker security guard and member of the Reserve police force, and he was the last to fall victim to Eileen's twenty two. His name was Antonio, so she went after
police officers, and I mean these were vibrate. I mean well established members of society. In other words, I mean it was a random type thing right. You know and you know, and and also like, with pretty much the exception of the x number, although it was a brand new car at that time in nineteen. Eighty, nine. She usually when, after guys with nice cars and now when she shot the guy in the back of the head, that's what makes her the sort of mail. The first female serial killer, who acted like a male right because she escalated from the chest to the head. Well, that's the funny thing is that most female twin women, shoot other people in murder, a big aim for the chest and most likely the heart. Lot of times an men tend to go for the head and so Aileen Wuornos kind of went from killing like a stereotypical female to killing like a stereo. And an escalating it to a point where it still gave. The same rush as it did before you kind of wonder how much further she would have gone
very positive. She wouldn't have gotten caught it through this I mean hell. Did she might have been underway to a Beserker streak like TED Bundy? She definitely would have probably carved up. This is a little bit more. I think she was getting more issue starting to get into the idea of desecrating the bodies and ship like that, but you didn't the same pull that like TED Bundy had where they wanted, like literally like suck on the corpses and shut like that women, don't women serial killers, don't really kill for sexual pleasure. The only one that we really have on record. Is saying that they derive sexual pleasure from the murder was Karla. Faye, Tucker said every time she drop the pick ax down on the body. She had a teensy little orgasm, that's right, yeah and some of them do talk about that, but the other thing is We don't know a whole lot about female serial killers, at least not as much as we know about male serial killers, 'cause female serial
let's don't really like to talk about their crimes. I only wear. Nose is actually really special night as the island. Where else would talk and talk and talk and talk, you couldn't shut her up, but my female serial killers, don't like to talk about it and, in fact, don't really give a whole lot of interviews because they're classy now the first three murders were not linked at the time of their occurrence, due to being indifferent. Sticks the following for all happened in the same county, so Florida finally figured out that it had a serial killer on their hands and it was a strange kind of serial killer because it was all middle aged white men who, you know, needless to say, are not typical. Serial killer victim, the sketch of Eileen and tight was blasted across all channels, and one time I got wind that she was a wanted. One: she decided she had just about enough of the drifter life and move back home. Oh that's, weird yeah! I can't believe she
stick around right yeah. That was that when she found once the he got on she'll it out, man a pretty soon: landlords and hotel managers all over Daytona started a police say in the sketch. Looked a hell of a lot like this people named Eileen and who were very well capable of doing something sketchy, maybe not murder, but definitely something right, at least worth looking into that There were the pawn goods from the Mallory case that had finally been tracked down, see when you pawn things in Florida, you gotta give a thumbprint and Eileen gave hers, but figured she was okay, as she had used her Cami Green, Alias. But when they added that thumbprint to the palm print on the Pontiac, which turned up the Alias Lori grody police start closing in on the woman who is known to use all these names, Eileen Carol, Wuornos and that's where the interstate communication came in.
They started looking at all these names popping up and they started seeing all these mug shots coming together. They were finally able to put all together to think that hey this Aileen Wuornos character. There's definitely something to her, because a weapons charge had so showed up on the candy green, Alias so and if you're just brave enough, if you go up to the various gigantic jugs of trucker, this that are left on the sides of the roads, and this is, if you're brave enough yet and you open him up and you stick your hands in there a lot of times. This will leave little messages. I don't think there to tell Rhodes secrets that only they know what could be the road secret I don't know you have to be brave enough to go in open to go in with your hands and we feel around in the bottom of it. That's a good idea. I do love that the police are just like pawn. Shops are gone. People who go to pawn shops are criminals.
Just get their thumbprint yeah. Sorry much they understood because it works like this yeah. I should pops up yeah. Well, they get results. Yeah or future musicians who live in Williamsburg Brooklyn, on January fifth, two under for police officers going under the names buck. In drum way, what buck and her own user undercover police officers that those those those were there under cover name. So this is just like. Would you like poor idiots? You do a lot of drugs that western both they'd drugs- okay, what if I just go as is it bad to just go as a sonic rap, or can I go? We just call you drums. That's simpler bucket drums hit the streets pose, it is dealers down from Georgia on vacation in Daytona Beach, there are drug on vacation yeah their whole life
vacation no way, that's a very stressful life. Even drug dealers need a vacation every once in a while. You were vacation from their problems, found Eileen at the Port Orange Pub and followed her to a biker bar called the last resort, they're Eileen drank until she passed out in a chair in the bars outside area and both the bartender and the cops left sleep in there until the morning, but when the sun came up, the cops said Eileen for an outstanding warrant on one of her aliases and after her arrest, the last resort the portrait of Eileen with the inscription. Here a lot Aileen Lee Wuornos on her last night of freedom January ninth, ninety one, so they didn't wake her up, so they could put this
you could sign up. Yes, so they put this weather. Like years later, oh, I said they were painting they painted a portrait of her. How bad is this dive bar that this is their claim to fame you have to if you rewatch, a selling of a cereal yeah, which the documentary one of the first documentaries about ailing wuornos. It goes into the last resort, which is if you just want a snapshot of Florida on what Florida is like watch this thing you roll into this. Liquor bar it is all open shacks. It's like a shack with several compartments there playing Garth Brooks I've got friends in low places. It's not a bit It's like they are singing and into it. It sounds like when it with the documentary crew walks in here like that and like everybody, scared it's just bikers in the biggest in the world. Go the documentary, it's the guy, the documentarian, the up to the bartender. They walk up to the same who's, huge guys wearing an alligator skin hat huge man who, like now
I don't know much about Arlene, because she came in here just every once in awhile, you gotta talk to the human ball he's performing tomorrow. Cuts to the next day, where human bomb is performing, which is just a man laying on a pile of what I can assume is low grade dynamite yup. This is expose them, and then they We talk when violin he's like. I can't talk right now, I'm Linden I gotta go. I gotta go walk this off. I gotta go out for the night is the human body. It is an amazing documentary that is incredible, but let's not defamed the good name of Garth, Brooks Garth, Brooks is talented yeah rodeo, which terrible man he's another one of those whose, everybody is around. So we had it
I don't mean this is what I've heard the joy I heard the whole earth knows your slandered right now, your the same thing either Kelsey Grammer. I always tell people I'm coming, I'm with you on this thing, don't with Garth Brooks all right. I love Garth, Brooks you can say anything you like about Chris Gaines, but don't bring good, looks in and I don't even know if Chris Gaines was Garth Brooks I'm not sure, look at it. Garth Brooks been in You W W, and then you hit w in Google so which is it says, wife, beater. No, that's just kidding it's like you put it in there. No, it does not and he's married to the very famous country musician as well they've been together for many many years. I forget her name now Remember he lied to us about being Chris Kane know he was trying to reinvent himself 'cause he's a creative performance artist,
Oh, I hate this term and he doesn't necessarily dress appropriately for weddings, but he's got a good heart he's also extremely wealthy yeah. These are my dress jeans. This is my nice hat. Oh yeah, mean you're, making fun of it right now, but that's the reality. Yeah that's realities out good. When I have them too, I have your name thing. We're gonna play this. When we go to Texas and re yeah, you don't have to legally to do my friend I am going to be due to up in Texas, you'll see, and I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to line step my way into the hearts of Texans across that great big, beautiful. Alright, I'm sorry, it's line dancing and Owen's done that, since one thousand nine hundred and ninety four, oh wait, that's the only girl dances I can do. I don't like to make the box, though it's very difficult anyway. Alright, let's get back well back to speak of the portrait is made of Aileen. Wuornos years later someone tried to replace the portrait. It was a painted picture which was deaf gussied up version of Eileen, they try to replace it with
or unflattering picture for clip from the paper. Artist naturally objected saying They had painted Eileen prettier on purpose because, as the artist said quote, everybody deserves a break sweet. Actually, a person who's got a sweet, but it's also a very biker thing to do. Yes, today's last sponsor is Bosch season. Three Amazon's acclaimed crime series. Bosch is back for a third season. Titus Welliver stars as detective Harry Bosch, an honest cop, driven by a dark past who is obsessed with punishing criminals, no matter what the cost by the discovery of his mother's murder, was covered up by the police Bosch also, finds himself implicated in the death of a serial killer. He's investigating Bosch must navigate the dangerous waters of a police department that believes he's guilty, while working with the part
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Finally came clean about the murders, either in order to protect, tie from prosecution or just to get the whole. Damn thing over with, and that's the funny thing about these, stations sea monster made it out to look like Eileen was a sort of hero for keeping tie out of it and the other documentaries make tied to look like the biggest turn coincidence Judas. But the reality is again you're dealing with two. Tearable people here either both growth they're, both gross Eileen again was a drifter. Serial killer. Anti again was the one who let her do it either because she loved her despite her actions or because she just didn't care and speak movies within two weeks of violence arrest, her attorney the investigators involved in the hunt tie Even Eileen herself had sold the rights to their stories and to give this is weird thing
get up yeah like I actually seven murders in but I mean I'm I I am. I am a broken person because of the years of doing this show, but when it comes to Eileen like I don't think that she she deserves. Whatever she got but this is a thing that shows you like how quickly you are surrounded by sharks and how she liked her story was worth a lot of money. Yeah like immediately 'cause the first female serial killer boom. That's it that's your hook right there. So she is that bright and also trying to save her own ass so she she basically just flips immediately and is surrounded by all of these spoken crooks that take this story and run with it. To give you an idea of how fast people bought her story, the deal actually kind, sort of a before Eileen was even arrested. The mother of the producer, who ended up Eileen Deal recognized Wuornos from the
police sketch in a grocery store. Handed Eileen her daughter's card and told her give her a call you might be able to make some money. It is capitalism at its worst yeah. It's like anything. I honestly do feel in my head. It serial killers are at the top of the evil, and Hollywood producers are like three yeah. I agree. It's like we got the funk Jimmy Savile he's in there entertainment people are back blue pearl when he's in there. Oh, my God show tonight singer the guy who directed after X, men who still is directed movies on a regular band, singer yeah now after one else was arrested, she did actually called that producer and more no, sold her life story in exchange for a payment of sixty dollars a month for the rest of her life, but in common sarri money that is
a fairly good get your Bridget, I mean she's, not buying a new house yeah, but I'll tell you. One Eileen still thought she might get off. She thought she I have been that she thought her story might have work by one thousand. Nine hundred and ninety two, a made for tv movie called Overkill was released starring the blonde from designing women as Eileen and the doctor from empty nest? Is Thai. Oh, I loved empty Yes, yes, so life member that scene in the beginning, where he's running with the dog on the beach, I watch into nest like three times a week on the last network on the antenna tv that I need to laugh when you watch that that work, you really they got, and if you watch the trailer to over kill, it is a might sexier than the reality I actually watched some of overkill and it's on Youtube. It's a lot sexier than reality now concerning the trials, Eileen was tried separately for
each of the murders, beginning with Richard Mallory. As we said earlier, Eileen tried the self defense argument on the stand, but her taped confession and the testimony of Thai sunk completely and she was found guilty of first degree murder and was sentenced to death. The same sentence came back for the murder of Charles Humphries and the judge read sentence. Eileen said in open court. I hope you get raped in the ass one day. I hope your wife and kids get raped right there, DAS she's verbatim. So there was this, Agra for who had to be like. Can you take that back? What was that? What is the for those words made love too. I think that your wife and kids will be made love too in their bottoms, and I make it funner than that they don't make it just take down said stenographers all I
I am embarrassed they are the unsung heroes of the legal system. By the way they really hear everything I would have so much PTSD and I was a courtroom, stenographer yeah. After that public outburst, most violins, more credible supporters started fading away, but who should fill the gap lawyer Steven Glazer aka Doctor legal as he himself on his tv commercials. This dude is very he's. Funking, Steve Brule he's just a burned out. Stoner yeah he's a big fat idiot that, like he was just him talking his band. He said the biggest study, the the if he was really proud of the fact that he was open for Leon Redbone. That was the credit, the heat, but the documentary maker gave this guy. Okay, is it in? You can always tell when documentary filmmakers give a credit. It's because the subject may It sure that they had that in there look make sure make sure I say:
then I open for Leon. Redbone like make sure the hell is Leonardo read we don't we don't? Even that's not even a credit for Leon, Redbone Leon, Redbone, so Glazer it would be the next person to get a piece of Eileen taken the case pro Oh no is he figured, he could make money off Eileen in other ways he teamed up with a born. Christian and horse breeder named Arlene Prel, who had shown up during the first trial. Now she said that she saw a pic Aileen Wuornos and God that she needed to savor in a part of it was that I looked at her eyes and her eyes told me she was a innocent
a beautiful soul, and what do we know about? I lean more nurses eyes. Black Iraq is a normal days. More than a short is that you recorded ten men when one man right now would is that a yacht club press well, when W met with Putin. Talking about looking through his eyes, I want a great solely as it seems to me. Eyes aren't necessarily a great indicator of the quality of one soul, either that or bordering a born again. Christians are really shity judges of character, I guess so or Maybe I don't want again. I don't want to say anything bad about character. Maybe they happen to either for the money might be, and on the other side of Arlene Rail Eileen said, Jesus told her that a christian woman would write her a letter and a couple days
later Eileen got a letter from Arlene, and so a friendship was formed. In fact, during that first row Eileen thought she was going to be exonerated for not just the Mallory murder, but for all seven and she to go, live with pale on a farm breeding horses and raising she wolves. That sounds really like lesbian Heaven might be interested. That's how but that's how I guess warped. Her sense of morality was and right and wrong, and just you know the the fact that she has zero remorse whatsoever well up into At that point she had gotten away with all everything like the only she had ever done any jail. Time was when I think she was. You know when she was maybe like two thousand two hundred and twenty three. So she really then, when she did the armed when she did arm robbery yeah, so she had about a decade of being able to the way.
And run away before, getting it before having any consequences of her actions come to fruition. So she thought that this is just going to be It's just going to be able to slither her way out of this one, just like she had every single one before that, but she did not and when she was sentenced to die prayer, adopted Eileen legally as her daughter to not only get better access to Eileen herself, but also so she would have next of kin rights when Eileen was executed. Together with Eileen's lawyer Steven Glazer rail Eileen to plead no contest to the four remaining first degree: murder charges to which Eileen received for further death sentences and pray said she convinced I leaned So so I could hurry up and get out to Heaven and Jesus loving arms, nothing to do with that check coming in the mail Glazer did it because he was nowhere near.
A talented enough lawyer to navigate his way through an actual capital. Murder case Is doctor legal, like the WWE created a lawyer doctor Ritalin Doctor lawyer who's yeah, but you realize doctors that doesn't make you a lawyer. No, no! No! No! No. If your doctor, you can officially also be a lawyer, always even if you're just a doctor of philosophy. You are now officially a bubble lawyer, so you can step and even if your dentist, I had no idea so Glazer, not talented enough to do a cab more case, but if Eileen were to plead no contest, which is the same thing as guilty, Glazer would keep his access to Eileen without having to do any actual work. Literally TED Bundy would have been a better lawyer than Doctor legal yeah. You know To be honest, my own theory is that Eileen did not.
Truly understand what was happening yeah. I think that people think that to a lot of lawyers that came back in that same argument, that Blazer was just taking advantage over well yeah and she did not really understand death penalty chic, like kind like thought of it. Is a romantic idea and then I once issue sorted to sing it. She's are realizing I like how are permanent, that was yeah you can get out of it and how difficult it would be to go and fight it down. I'm well the death penalty by the way yeah sort so hi. But a lot of psychiatrist said that she just couldn't grasp the finality of death. She didn't have the emotional maturity to grasp just how final death actually was, and it's a very long process the death penalty, which is why you often see people of personal you're in solitary confinement immediately, you can know general pop life, you're, you're, buried alive. A lot of people want to hurry the process up yeah there. They tell their lawyers to stop appealing because constitutionally they have a
to appeal, obviously, but for fifteen years or I can't get it on with please well Glaser, like I said he was there to keep access to Eileen without actually having to do anything all he had to do show up and maybe make some money on the side, and this proved to be exactly why he was in it in Braille would prove to be in it for just about the same certain prey Ling Glaser started getting followed by documentarian Nick Broomfield, who made two documentaries on on Eileen the cell, have a serial killer and the life and death of Aileen Wuornos and in the former you can see a she killer. Lee sleazy negotiation between Broomfield and Prey Ling Glaser in which they try to extort ten dollars for the rights to their story? As far as I could tell the most, they could get was thousand, but they still got money from him. Yes and then the doctor Legal was not happy with the documentarian
and quite loathed in two thousand and one Eileen came clean, say in the Self Defense story was a complete and total sham now some say Ben. He said the Eileen claim this just so she could expedite her execution. She wanted to die. She wanted it all to be over and to this point she did whisper to Broomfield in one of her final interviews, when she thought the cameras were off, that no wait. Actually the murders really were in self defense. I was just lying that last time they actually were self defense. I was lying the first time and the third time, but not the second time in the fact is. We will never know also very similar to your judge, call that she thinks and acts like a child, and it's a part of that two of doing that. Now it was yes, it was no. It was it it's very childlike now Aileen Wuornos, he told so many different stories between the day she was caught in the day she died that we will never know which ones
If any are true and which ones aren't, we can draw conclusions based on evidence and testimony, but we will never know for sure So at nine hundred and forty seven am on October, ninth two thousand and two Aileen Wuornos was executed by lethal injection, her last words were. I would just like to say, I'm selling with the rock and I'll be back, black independence day with Jesus June six, like the movie big mother ship, all I'll, be back I'll, be back! That's why you don't want to make a reference to a very
movie, because it it really dates. You know it doesn't anymore. You want to be more evergreen yeah, but even then this is I mean this is two thousand and two is almost ten years after independence Day came out. I guess she loved that movie. She did I sleep in her letter. I love that movie. It's my it's my Depressione movie. I mean like there's been times in my life. When I've been in a deep depression, I've watched it independence day, three or four times in a single day, yeah she's, on death row I mean this is I actually would like to find out the numbers of how many times independence day has been watched on death row. Who knows so? This was very recent history, two thousand happy asleep and then so tight do we know? Is she still alive yeah? So she I mean. That's that's the interesting thing about the story. I There's a lot of these people that are still alive and just kind of living out their lives all across America
I mean. There's Manson girls out there Karla Homolka is out there like there. There are so many people who just sort of a vanish other time Karla Homolka should get into the weight gain business, the pro to Sheik Baulkham hold go yeah, I don't know well. Eileen had kept writing letters to don right up until a few days before her execution. Well in this series on the last letter, Eileen more knows ever wrote now. This is important to make you just feel weird Does it again, it's like you just have such a rare opportunity to see a serial killer and what their thoughts are right before they are executed, and so this was her last letter ever and then she went into like a silent period right before she died. This is it's. It's a weird view into a very complicated case of an error
angry and deranged woman dear Don, well I've pretty much caught up to all. That's been needed to be said, and so now to you and our friendship shared these eleven years, so deeply appreciated what a body can't believe. You even want to rebuild it back after nukes head of what happened in ninety one. So I was just awestruck, but then when he decided to help me through all of it as well. That really blew me away, then Roy so dark from the bottom of my heart. Thank you I'll cherish it forever and can't wait to see in the next Sunday, but with my ever going to show you around treat you the best foreign all you help me through in this mess that they put me in as Jackie Gleason would put it you're the greatest and our thank you bud. So much.
And those kid days. I could see it all now as if it were yesterday when our friendship began as teens there in our hip look that back, then we were called freaks and our butts traipsing around having just a good old time. Looking like one with the attic of cases and the parties we had as well as some of the pit gatherings, so wild and fun. Besides the bars and the pool rules, Rochester, theater and and the bowling alley not to forget big boys, restaurant, we had such a blast. You can still see you in your teens. If you yesterday, with your muscle, bound self and long black hair, we're at your house at Atkins playing the tunes Zeppelin Moody blues, take for Carole King
Adam s more blaring away until we had to go. Go's parents were back there, so much fun and buddy. You left me full of good memories. Even the mall I'll, never forget that ice cream cone. You got the scoop so hard foot on it and that's when you went to lick it, you felt he would roll it across the floor, but that would get me laughing all day in the bazaar shop. Remember it at the Old Oakland Mall how easy it was to rip off clothes there, especially the blazers. I remember in one day I went out with about eight of them: babies stashing him and lowers Black Chrysler Newport. Then you finally got the courage to try. It yourself dead and came back with a pair of jeans. Only for me to head back in and get five of those. Then then we laid it thumbs out the pants galore try to do the same thing they're only for security to wind up to tight well, the was our shop got hip to all.
This merchandise so wet for beeper tags on the clothes that works so well. Everyone quit lifting anymore man. So will it work to travel? The idea other stores too, and they were all lifted days. Miss chievous I'll, admit it yeah. We were so young and free, but heck. Nothing like today. That's for sure, then parks so much fun there. Besides all my homeless days, I stayed over your house, but it was a trip it I could do it all over again. I'd skip the drugs, just don't believe in this stuff anymore. Specially now that we can see what kind of kids come out of the wood stock era, nothing, but a bunch of brain damaged idiots. So I'm hoping Kim and David raised their newborns right, keeping them away from the stuff as best they can. When their team days come too and boy do. I miss them snowing nights up there and old men. It was romantic to me whenever I
Glitter the snow under the stars were clear. Moonlit night awesome days with all their leaves blowing around under full month old. Miss that crisp air always turn me on. I remember those huge whalers had burger king had back there. Man, the fish and bonds were so big only for day now for them to be so little. I want things why, and the answer is so easy society. It's called overpopulation, so quit happened, so many kids, she's, the maybe the buns and stuff will get back to the way it used to be super sized anyway. I miss them good old days. We came back to my life at all. Came back in those memories refreshed in my mind, as I also need to say
flip. Look who didn't give up on me. Man, too much haven't even taken the place of tie in friendship, just the same photos. We away sis you're such a beautiful soul and I hope you'll be able to someday get the word out how they framed a raped woman down to a serial killer and from the get go took advantage of missing from debate. Her down to one for secrets of their own for their books and their movies, it's evil, so I hope I'll be able to someday get that through their heads and out sick. The powers become today and that's with the Lucia. Well, that was just all the way from the animals for sure and now
Now people are being used sacrificially so again like to thank you for helping me through it all and for the debts of my soul. Sis. Thank you for everything. Thank you so much so so very much would love your body forever. Man come with that good thought so meant so for real, a close here and find a way to relax a little bit more before the end. I'll see it's dark, and again someday on the other side love you buddy, take good care. My friend will be forever remembered by me: love Eileen, PS, I'd like you to also think your family fold, the support and understanding they gave in our friendship too, and how they stood by definitely cool man and brave thanks a million don. You too, you guys are the family. Will love you forever,
She's got a good point about the burger King fish sandwich. She does. I gotta give her the credit on that he does. That will love. I love a hard ice cream. Oh yeah, I think Jack is a browser you for such a great job being Eileen what else in this episode or in these episodes fantastic job, Jackie. Thank you. Yeah absence almost like it's. She could have ended up at yeah. If you didn't get out of Florida. Yep alright That's Aileen, Wuornos great job, fascinating story. I mean this. One is extremely unique, like no other killer recovered to say the least. It really is. I mean that that's. The funny thing is that it is at the same time like no other serial killer, in a lot of ways, very similar I mean it's actually more surprising how similar it is. The other serial killers yeah when I start feeling the story and what you know about two real killers, like you know, going to say I'm all over again yeah, that's what I was
yeah. I was extremely vegetables on the same actually very much yeah, that's what I was extremely surprised about is how many serial killer, little check marks that Aileen Wuornos were she doesn't have the Mcdonald Triad yeah. I guess, Dude thing, though, because at the same time, because it's weird sexual impulses, that's what all bets all that ships masking yeah I mean It really like I said earlier, like a most female serial killer. Don't kill for for sexual purposes. That is a specifically male thing, well. That's why I don't like that, doesn't make me horny at all, not at all. I want to thank everyone. We want to thank everyone for voting for us for the Webbies yeah we're coming down to the final stretch here. We just got a couple of more days left and You know me. I firmly believe they might do some vote flipping like they're, going to pull up here. You know if you're going to be aware to watch it happen. If you see those numbers, if you see him flip, you know
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