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There's no place to escape to
I'm reading the Philadelphia experiment, my bill, Moore and the way it opens. The whole thing is like that. Creating invisibility is man's ultimate fantasy
so we look super fat and still be invisible, but still just look like a big green fart cloud, but can't see any woman. You want naked as long as she does not notice the giant buzzing green cloud right in her yeah. It's not quite as romantic as the movies make it out to sea by those things. No, it's your pervert pervert. This is the last podcast leftover, what I am Ben Kissel, that's Marcus Parks and ever since episode two, this other guys been with us, I'm locked in now. Yes, this is my career. Now, yes, it is you're forced to be with
now, probably for another nineteen years. So there is no time that I think about walking into this off
and you guys are sitting there and, oh, my god, we have concealing Kerry, either way. Alright, today's topic here,
that is satire, I've, just today's topic is the Philadelphia experiment which I did not know a lot about until this week and it's very fun yeah, it's very fun, and it is not the thing that Tom Hanks did in order to get very
sick in that film. Well, I don't know how we lost all that way, but we're not going to get into that. Absolutely not the Philadelphia experiment, aka project.
Rainbow was a rumor
It's called test. The US government undertook on October 28th one thousand nine hundred and forty three to see if they could render a Navy destroyer completely.
Visible you're. The tuition noises could
should mark this this, and this is the episode of only quotation marks. I imagine that the B Soundcloud file has quotation marks on either side of it. So this is a very fun story. It is called essentially completely fake, but mostly fun. If you talk about how fake it is, if you want to believe it can be true now, how does the? U S? Government come up with the name for their operations
operation, paperclip operation rainbow. Is it just what they're looking at well? Is there any rhyme or reason why it's called operation rainbow well actually operation rainbow? It's a bit of a misconception because rainbow was the code word for the axis powers during World war, two
So this the Philadelphia experiment, a lot of what it is, is just these conspiracy theorists, picking and choosing certain things and cobbling it all together to make a really fun story. We like a fun quilt full of absolute madness and nonsense. Yeah nerd pube hair. That's my favorite kind of quilt. It's very itchy,
Now, according to Legend, the US government actually managed to make the USS Eldridge Invisible in a day
into sending it on a quick teleportation John, but it came at the cost of the life, limb, sanity or corp, or reality for most of those aboard
and that's the hardest. Yet, if you lose your feet, that's bad! It is bad, but do they come back all healed up
they're, just they're, just gong gong feeder gong feeder. Now, in
chip use on alien that was kind of cool you traveled to nor Folk Virginia right for up to be ten minutes. They said in a teleportation thing, but I mean we get to get a magnet because your feet or a part of the ship now, oh, I see so in north Fork, Va
just today in the 1940s, where a bunch of feet were laying around well we're going to get to Oakland views about the feet. You're you're dead, Henry jumping ahead, your jump, oh, my goodness, alright were teleporting ahead. Now it must be said that the Philadelphia experiment itself is mostly rumor sourced from two men, one of whom was the human version of a green text. On a black background, alien
site, while the other claimed he met Mark Hamill in Hawaii in nineteen. Fifty six interesting
I gotta say that was when he was like four right: some. No. He said that he met full.
Grown Mark Hamill in Hawaii in nineteen? Fifty six and time keeps on slipping
hopefully does- and I know for a fact that more camel is a listener to many of the shows here on cave comedy radio. He likes a lot of our tweets, so shout out Mister Hamel tell MR him
and if you can confirm or deny that you met- met a man with the last name of Belic,
Hawaii in one thousand nine hundred and fifty six, our twitters at LP on the left. Thank you mister. What are you afraid of
are you afraid of Mark Hamill? What are you fucking hiding? I think this is about cowardice.
Why you and your family- and it's easy to find your in LOS Angelus
Gonna walk around me like where's,
I will help you with your pocket house. These are faced. My favorite celebrity, listen he's the best. However. The Philadelphia experiment is, as Henry said, more about the people behind the conspiracy theory than the theory itself and as you'll see, the story also plays a fairly large part in the development of UFO Lore, as we know it today, but before we get to the people, let's get to the experiment itself presented to you. Cobbled together from various internet source is the best we can.
There are not means of conflicting information out there about this of the Philadelphia experiment was supposedly the brain child of Albert Einstein, Nicola Tesla and Doctor John VON Neumann, who is the wheelchair bound hungarian scientists who is partly the inspiration for the doctor? Stray
love character in the got together for another experiment called how many virgins can we shop in a room
three early. How many as many as you're willing to put your hands on? Oh? What are you talking about
Albert Einstein was a brutal pussy hound. I don't know he's just making a joke because he's more intelligent than me and I felt the need to bring him down there. I understand that, yes, he had everything going for himself. I am the most wonderful genius, professor of physics of all
I'm also come closer smell. My mustache, you know what,
smell is yeah Deadpool, see let God I got that she let go all up. You re Mustafa stir make amazed bought does arise. Thank you. We just get on with the experiment. Please all yeah you bought your out, but then
that slip right in Jamaican by the end of it once again like every single time. Somehow a jamaican Einstein sounds
only fun make an energy had to brawl buddy you got get into it. Oh, my goodness. The Philadelphia experiment itself was held in
one version of the story by a guy named doctor. Frankly, you know who is looking for a military use for Einstein's, unified field theory and Marcus, go ahead and attempt to explain the Uft gonna. Do it best. I can all right now the best as I understand it.
Uft theorizes that all the fundamental forces in nature, gravitational electromagnetic, strong and weak nuclear forces can be unified into one overall.
SIRI. No like overalls like a man wears instead of clothes in order to be quickly released from his clothes over
meaning all encompassing. Oh, I see so like when a boxer wins two belts in a unifies them,
I I mean I think, that boxing classes, it doesn't work like that. No it does work like that, you can, you can hold two belts in two different weight classes is very difficult to do I mean, did you tell a heavyweight
Sir, can go down the middle way themselves. You can look like he can purge himself and to be in
middle weight or welterweight, and then, when they also got battle, is the battle. It is a battle in some ways, but yes, they don't vomit
work out there very in shape anyway. Now for Einstein's part, he attempted to unify the general theory of relativity equals MC squared with electro magnetism. I think of the Philadelphia experiment tried to expand that to manipulate gravitational forces using electro magnetism to bend light so as to render an object, invisible
think I think, because a part of the ideas right, electricity and magnets have something to do with each other. You can get
tricity from magnets and using all
trinity. You can create electromagnetism, but they say that
cavities, also in there, too, and and that sort of something between zaps magnets. How do magnets work and
and gravity is how we do. Essentially, you oppose fly, which is where we're going to get into the you up bullshit. They make its work when your grandmother
send you a letter and you have to put it on the fridge. I've tried to send. I've tried to put other things on the fridge with magnets. They don't work magnets or week yeah. I honestly think that we should have a universal, stronger magnets movement
great I'm almost start, my pin my room, I do have to say
parents, don't believe in modern medicine, my father is horrible arthritis, so he just had magnet outfits and they didn't work. He just attached himself to a series of different things. He didn't want to be attached to say I really was just. He was just white trash.
Magneto, yeah, basically just spoons flying his way and stuff yeah. I don't get why people will reject modern Medison, but will think that magnets can cure them. I have no idea how do they work? Because it's that question all the time yeah
Actually, we don't have a very good understanding of how magnets work. Strangely enough, I cp was not far off. No, not at all modern day, philosophy, philosophy, bath,
Mall, a mile, a flower as far
as the military application of the unified field? Theory the? U
was right in the middle of world war. Two at the time of the Philadelphia experiment, fighting it on two fronts, and so the possibility of making objects invisible, particularly ships, were piqued. Our interest quite a bit and FDA
decided that the Navy would be the ones to make the best use of invisibility technology
all right, also the soldiers of the Navy or called seamen, and that makes them the as of all the branches of the Navy or the types of people who want to be invisible. The mother board of I too over a tour to a a naval vessel in San Francisco before we do that great with the independent and my goodness they are
grand into those corners almost impossible to avoid any kind of sexual contact. I mean it is pretty intense stuff. There frauded
tube. That's all a submarine is a lot a lot of not telling, I think yeah, so it world war, two
this time the US was sending both troop.
Supply convoys off the east coast over to the west.
Front in those convoys needed escorts to escape the nefarious. U boat, because these people you bought your bad q boats were amazing. I mean really the only reason why we were able to defeat the. U boats is because we were able to break their codes. The end Nygma code as
native Americans did it, which is why I'm thankful. We kept some
A no native Americans were code talkers. They were in the battles during World WAR two, and it was because of them that the Germans couldn't break our
but it was actually more like guys like Alan Turing, who helped to break the Enigma code, all right. Well, what's his name.
Movie Pearl Harbor with Ben Affleck Ben Affleck, that in that and then I remember Windtalkers was John- was John Woo, yes, very bad film, so, most of the time these escorts
were Navy destroyers, but they were having
all the time with the submarines as well, and so is decided the best way to use the invisibility tech at least
Jim with was on those Navy destroyer escorts. But while it was simple enough to trans
inorganic material, organic material like people might be adversely affected, and so the Navy began its experimentation on farm animals. Oh my goodness, now they didn't specify what
kind of farm animals they used, but I would imagine making a speculation here that they used pigs as the flesh of a pig is the closest to that of the flesh of a cube and also the funny
to put them in little uniforms with little hats on? I know I hope they don't use any of the talking farm animals,
because at any inappropriate, yeah yeah babe just put
put into the machine, and then he shows up just inside of James Cromwell over because it out of there didn't go great
well on the
First, run the ship disappeared and reappeared marking success, but when they check
on the hogs. They found that some of the animal
recovered in radiation burn marks, while others had disappeared completely
I thought this is where they invented bacon, never mind.
This the Navy believe that they had a good enough handle on it to try it again with a skeleton crew of humans
this test was a minor success, as the ship did not go completely invisible, but was rather just encased in a green fog goon the men aboard.
Lane of severe nausea, but were otherwise fine equipment which seems to be made mostly of Tesla COIL,
some big gas magnets was re calibrated and tried a few months later, yeah make it stronger
because right now it just looks like it's covered in farts. Right now,
staying in a hotel room with Ed Larson from the round table of gentlemen, very fat, very big
because we understand the size and the odor of ed, very big. We know
but on this second test, when the switch was flipped, the ship disappear.
In a flash of blue light and reappeared almost four hundred miles away at a naval base in Norfolk Virginia. That means that, in the search for invisibility, the scientist,
actually discovered teleportation. No, I'm not gonna, I'm not dissing on nor Folk Virginia, but like teleport,
anywhere in the world any place in the to the
end of the homes of the trees were gum was first invented. Do love gum, though
they didn't actually choose to go anywhere. It just so happened that they ended up outside of nor folk.
Virginia they could have gone to the Bahamas, could have been really really teleporting
Please do not shoot his end up
It was written up, the judge, your divorce house, lap and everyone all right be able find out where they end up. Yeah
JA. She was the best. Well, they didn't even know they were going to teleport. They were just trying to do invisibility. The teleportation was just a side effect. Oh, it's like having fun. Stomping are bunch of tomatoes, but you accidentally invent ketchup after a few
it's a floating outside nor folk, the Eldridge returned to the exact spot
left in Philadelphia, but this breakthrough did not come without a cost at the lowest level. Crew members got violently ill. Others had disappeared completely, like the hogs. Some.
Develop schizophrenia by unlucky, crew members were found fused to the ship. Like there
actual bodies were a part of the ship. There was one guy who was actually halfway in in half way out of a ball kid just yeah I'll. Let
that's in the ship, better, keep him alive,
for a few more years, see where this goes sort of Harrison
star wars doesn't get stuck in some neat.
Yeah. He gets encased in carbonite, it's been an absolutely not no. I am not at all. It's completely different cancel it.
It is they got it. Is they got the ideas that were on the ship? They said it
well well, well, well, well, well, well! Well, everything became clear, and so all these
huge word, they said that they were stumbling around all drunk and like laughing, like ha ha ha, and then they would walk up to stuff where the like the ship, it came like permeable
and they would stick their hands in it and then all of a sudden there back in Philly, screaming wild yeah, it's cool.
Not the strangest thing that happened in Philadelphia. That day I mean Phillies, a strange town, so
got violently ill. Some disappeared, some develop schizophrenia somewhere fuse to the ship, but others were assigned to a fate worse than death.
Which we will reveal later when we get to our friend Carlos
Allende, I'm pretty bad at that time, but I think
I feel like being fused to a ship might be worse than death. Now
We could do it, I know what they died because they refused to ship. Oh, I see I thought I'd. Eventually they screamed a lot. They died
screaming hello, hi Cecil. Now those who develop schizophrenia,
we're committed to asylums and were reported to their families, as in my eighth lost at sea? I mean this is world or two guys go missing all the time the ship being destroyed, left and right, while those on the ship who just got violently ill? We,
brain to erase their memories and the whole thing was covered up and discontinued
the reason why we know all of this or at least know. The story is because a man named Carl Allen, aka
wrote a series of letters to a UFO author by the name of Doctor Morris Jessup Doctor Morris catch up Jess. Can you catch him? I like to catch up, I like to get
also not legally a doctor know if he would call himself a doctor, but he would never sign the. He would never signed any document with doctor because he never finished medical school.
Oh, you can call yourself a doctor. All you want
or that sounds really accurate,
ok. Your name is Doctor Benjamin Crystal St Cloud. You show up for this individual mammogram appointment Litchfield in bags for some lumps you buying this, just all the guys,
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his career as a doctoral student at the University of Michigan. Where is research led to the discovery of a fair number of physical, double star
This guy was enormously an academic. Do we know that's true? Yes, that is true. Excellent.
Yeah this guy? He was an actual academic. He was well respected.
In the scientific community. He eventually took work with the Us Department Department of Agriculture and travel to the Amazon to study crude rubber question astrophysics disease.
Degree after astrophysics degree why the Senate a model rubber mission. It was the depression he took whatever work you can get. Yes, it's a
We visited mayan ruins and decided that those ruins could only have been built with the help of sky ships and but yeah yeah.
In this proclamation made him one of the earliest modern scientists to subscribe to the ancient aliens theory? Almost two decades before Erich VON Daniken wrote chariots of the gods question mark I like to I like, when books have a question mark in the title, because then it makes you think
It's like before you even read it. You already thinking you're already thinking you know. The sad thing is with this people, thinking that Haley
built the mayan temples and the pyramids. It's just how we talked about it before I just feel
for all the slaves who worked their asses off to build that stuff and then there's just revision. Revisionist history be like it was too good for men to make it must have been aliens, while hundreds of thousands and millions of individuals died, making the I spent
twenty years, carving toes into stove. Do you have any fun
how difficult it is to put told
into fucking. Marble alien
are you an are you an alien
the mayan ruins were in the mayan Ruins and Doctor Jessup. Like I said, he was a well respected guy in the scientific community, but
He started talking about all this ancient alien ship
the rest of the scientists thought it was absolutely ridiculous, because this was the late 50s
flying saucer craze was huge then, and of course, none of the scientists actually took it seriously. Slander libel makes me upset he's just questioning the book. Is
terrible. He wrote four books about Ufos and their fucking garbage
You can just see the the chairs leaving the lunch room table after the nerd starts picking his nose or something like that and want nothing to do with them. I mean they're, okay, books, they're, just
very early in the UFO craze. You know they were still trying to figure out what this UFO thing was uh and I would say to Jess's credit. He was writing this up because he was truly interested
he actually thought that there was something to the stuff. He was an actual man of science and actual man of science, and I think it actually showed quite a bit of courage on his
to go out on a limb to look at the possibility that maybe Ufos there was actually something to this whole phenomenon. Absolutely and one of the coolest things
about the Philadelphia experiment. Story as a whole is how much early UFO should is brought up like this.
This time we're ancient aliens stuff, where the first time,
going to see a guy that acts as if he is in the above top secret, like member forums, it's so
It's like all of the troops for alien guys come out of this story. Yeah. This is like the
proto ufo tail. This is like the sonics, but even though Jessops believes were also,
causing him from the scientific community. He still continued his work and published a book in nineteen. Fifty five called the case for the UFO. This book focused on the propulsion systems of said theoretical ships, along with various historical accounts of possible UFO. In a
encounters it's well worn territory and it's very dry, but it's cool that it's the first one yeah it. It actually sold fairly well, which sent Jessup on a lecture tour where he started talking about Einstein's, unified field theory in relation to his UFO propulsion claims 'cause. His whole thing was that humans were focusing too much.
On rockets to get us into space when really we should be looking at other means, namely electromagnetism, but I did like about his his stance to that. He called rocket
bully science 'cause. He said that we were both using the old school rockets as bullying. Our way to space, which is the
thirty sadness thing. So
is the 1950s. He was on this tour. One thousand nine hundred and fifty five I mean Werner VON Braun was hard at work. Trying to get uh,
to the moon, trying to make everyone forget that he was a nazi? Just not a scam,
decade earlier sure. So this is. Do you think that people
invented marijuana or it would not really invented it brought it back into common use in the 60s because they went to one of these lectures or like it's interesting
it would be a hell of a lot more interesting with a huge doobie. Yes, let's do it yeah cigarettes, that's what jazz 'cause! That's all, but when people are like, you have to write songs
driving cars are being with you, girl. All you gotta do is be rude, that we gotta. Do you play nice? It's like
it's high top jazz is like when a band plays underwater, it's really funny. What is that mean? It's good underwater music you're, just imagining the little mermaid something might be now this whole view the Jessep. Had
electromagnetism was better than rockets for space travel caught. The attention of a man
who called himself Carlos DOT Att,
Ayende started writing letters to Jessep about those alternative means of space propulsion.
And eventually revealed that he was present at a secret government invisibility test in nineteen forty three that use the unified field. Theory IE the Philadelphia experiment. Now these letters, oh there's something else,
cool to read. I can believe that words are capitalized or underlined for no particular reason. The punctuation is all out of whack and the syntax is an absolute nightmare to try
understand Henrik, why don't you just read the first paragraph of the
first letter that again they sent to Morris Jessup, see my dear doctor. Yes,
Jory embarkation to the public that they move on Mars. They pawn their representatives and have thusly enough pleasure place that they write and sufficient number of place
where from a law demanding research into Doctor Albert Eisenstein's, completely spelled wrong. Unified field theory may be enacted, one thousand nine hundred and twenty five
Twenty seven she is not at all in this is heading. It may interest you to know that the good doctor was not so much influence in his traction of that work by mathematics as he most assuredly
pause, my humanities I yeah yeah, I
Carlos Allende, hey. Alright, let's go fun letter c, it sounded good, said yeah, but it sounds it when you read when you read it in that voice, but you're like oh yeah. Ok, I like the way that that that makes sense, but that's why you choose the name. Carlos Allende is your pen name. I don't think he ended it with very daring, spanish. I don't think he ended it with I. I, though I think that was a that was a Henry Zebrowski interpretation and we have to make that clear. In reality I mean I'd. Imagine this guy, it's more! Like my dear doctor, Jessup, your invitation
republic. Do they move on math upon their representatives in a bufalino pressure place at the right, insufficient number of places, Newport from the laundromat and research in a dumpster Albert Einstein's, Youtube field for unified field theory may be enacted, one thousand nine hundred and twenty five one thousand nine hundred and twenty seven is not at all necessary
Ok, alright, markets. Let's get it correct if we're going to do it. Well, I, like Henry's version better, it's more pleasant to the ear. I think. Well, it's much more pleasant to the year like
would Carlos IND was going for going to find out. His name is fuqing Carl. You don't change your name to Carlos. You don't want to fucking suck some flair. Absolutely so Jessup I mean that's. The funny thing is so he's the he's, the intellectual one in this entire conversation and then it slowly
dumber and dumber from there yeah. Ok, it's very sad. He is very so after a
back and forth Ayende expanded on expanded on his Philadelphia experiment? What particularly? What happened to the surviving sailors following the teleportation, or at least what happened to the ones who didn't lose their minds in
bad thing about the Allende letters to Jessup, is that Joseph has been looking for any sort of support right. The case for the
sold like moderately well, and so we had a follow up book coming called UFO and Ufos in the Bible that he was starting to work on and
We get abandoned him, and so we got these letters saying like I know what you're talking about I'm into it. So he had one letter before this was essentially the saying, like you should think about
about like gravity and magnets and he's, like sure, sure sure, from Allende. This follow up. Letter is being like
only somebody I'm like I'm on to something somebody's like keyed into this and know something secret and then the more letters he started to receive. From my end day, it started to break his heart that this is a crazy person, yeah cucu huh yeah, because he,
started to ask him for well. Do you do you have any proof? Are you willing to take a lie, detector test and
I ended up just like my orders- are too slow
the lady did go to that. All men are in a thousand years, you'll put the lid to do that on me. How would that affect all my hairy chest? Beautiful man will often times a a, I guess, an author or a performer, such as the podcaster there for
things were their fans were reflection of them? Would say our fans in San Francisco were absolutely beautiful. It was completely insane and we had a wonderful time. Thank you for coming out. Did you just find him around
way to call yourself beautiful. No, no, I didn't do that. You know there was a couple of real tall ones in there too. I'm strange looking guy's
now. One man who survived the Philadelphia experiment was at dinner with his family. One night he got up from the table, walked through a wall and vanished,
never more so that the dad's dream yeah, you gotta, let dad you gotta, let your husband or father go if they walk through a wall to get away from the family. You know why
I rarely say it, but it might have been something you
I don't know I don't. I don't know that my my queen, they have a book for parents to their kids. Well like for dads for their kids and say he might not. He just might not be into you like one of those books, click to go ahead,
Actually, it's really sad that two more men disappeared into thin air without cause they didn't walk.
Well they just went and we're gonna and another demon
realized in the middle of a bar fight. This is the article that Allende sent along with one of his letters,
several city police officers, responded to a call to aid. Members of the Navy, show patrol and breaking up a tavern brawl near the. U Navy, Docs here last night got something.
Surprise when they arrived on the scene to find the place empty of customers according to a
very nervous, waitresses. The shore patrol had arrived first and clear the place out, but not before,
move the sailors involved allegedly did a disappearing act, one of the frightened hosts
is reported in thirty vanished
thin air. It was right there and I
in drink another I mean now. I have 'cause I'm talking to a reporter and I got nervous but you're nice you're, nice
one reported witness. The saintly summed up the affair by dismissing it as nothing more than quote Allah
from them James NET,
who he went on to say we're just looking for some free publicity damage to the tavern was estimated to be in the vicinity of six hundred dollars. Alright, so these people can disappear
will go through walls, so not doing well, it's
well. No. No, it was just really happy that the bar tab came and they all look at what I have to disappear after they had multiple kegs of Budweiser. They have a thing called
turning us where you're from or being frozen. That's what the that's, what they call them is the day after the Philadelphia experiment. Two guys have survived it. We
walk around and just randomly disappear and then come back and be like
I saw an alien or be like I experienced nothing literally come in like
the highest man who's ever been in, like going up to somebody be like hey man did I just turn invisible right,
He went nuts or they would go into these Kurds really be frozen in place. They said that was like
the scariest things they would just be sit there like stuck or they were because they called it going through the push which is really fun
I don't know about all that yeah, they actually didn't know what was happening these guys, because some of them would go in
double. They could move, speak or interact with anybody else for the duration of it, but they would still be conscious. The entire time is this where they came up with that ridiculous thing. On the internet, the man I can
thing wherever we know well, now we do are handing that was marketing. People go to everyone. Okay, there frozen kinda to them, they're getting so
also known as the freeze was known to crew members as Hell incorporated,
So I don't think it sounds so awesome it does pretty shareable yeah. Now these freezes could last from minutes to hours
and the only way to get a guy out of a freeze was, if other men laid their hands upon him to give him strength
So why are you getting aroused, as we touch you right now, we're trying to unfreeze you? I can't
room for any do you need more?
to touch you and how are your pants off bring
what I yeah they wrote about that
if around or near the Philadelphia Navy yard. You see a group of settlers in the act of putting that have
Mapali fellow or opponent, quote, unquote thin air absorb the TJ
say any pain the days of the stick in May, if they seem the way better as goals within a he bought on gold quickly and put your hands a board game for that matter, he's the very most desperate of men in the world, not one.
Those men ever wanted all to become a game invisible. I do not think that not much more needs to be said as to why man
not already for force field, work, very cool.
It would have been a store window. You know fun with quick, I'm putting him be there. They don't touch me Pinga overcome Benicar, sweet young man. Nuts me beg
I don't die, seems out. I don't know where to find it. Can you
get a name. You'll see like I'm and strong enough to gave a sailor's such as ice support. Enough touch me bring. I don't wear a yet. I was hard to find. You see me. No, yes!
I am done. Okay, I hello, you don't feel. Like I iancu letter, Google does a with a capital s by me
Alright, very good. Can you run into him
That's what I wanna know there's still some, so you can run into an invisible person. You can run anywhere visible part. Well, that's how they could
hands of the because the problem
is there, maybe not invisible, they may be teleporting
So they can you teleport with them, know: okay,
and in fact the languor hands didn't always work. Sometimes it back
In one instance, two guys tried, lay in their hands on a frozen boy and he didn't freeze, but as soon as he materialized, he burst into flames and burn for eighteen days straight on my high. That's a long time
burning, and then he lived though they didn't say. I hope he didn't know that is not there. You did not live. It just said his body burned, which is kind of like honestly, that's metal
it's a metal way to go. Is body burn for a teenager to put it out at some point, I think, but I imagine him just sitting there, like the human torch, John Fire for eighteen days screaming and scripted lot of screaming in the Philadelphia experiment. Yes, absolutely from that.
Point on the laying of hands was no longer allowed in the men would stay in the freeze for several months, a condition they called deep freeze and during deep freeze.
And can only be seen by surviving crew members of the Eldridge and again they said the men called this either. As Henry said: cotton push or for
in the Green Hill, yet neither of those sound like you're frozen in time.
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This is what he said. Usually I deep freeze man goes mad stark raving gibbering running mad if his freeze,
is far more than a day in our time and our time Philadelphia time
Three hours later joke get stuck in your green. If you mean you your
I don't know about all that was said,
The first man to go into deep freeze was stuck in it for six months and the government spent,
five million dollars worth of research and equipment to get the guy out, but once he got out it was
too late in the men was irreparably insane government waste. I knew you'd say that what Ben this man is a better and thank you for your service go to flip flop, Doctor Jessup, who, by this point, was desperately searching for anything to validate any of his claims, was naturally interested in what Ayende had to say. But after a few,
letters, it was apparent that a N day was a bit of a nut job, and so the correspondence ended and just a pretty much per God about it. For about a year intel. He was called in to the Office of Naval research.
Washington DC as a UFO expert and was as to look over a parcel that they had just received and Henry give us some background on these. Oh and our guys want to say this really quickly, though it wasn't about Navy ships, it was about belly buttons. Ok, I'm done
but the Naples would think that is. I don't know where he went belly doing baby jokes. Who is an opportunist gonna baby joke it's fun though I think about it. I don't like the term navel when it means like a belly button. I don't like that term 'cause. It makes me feel like it's all full of meat or something like olives in it.
Well, I apologize just go on Henry. Do not enjoy kissing your Womans naval, oh good! Nothing I, like
Little filling my mother, Warman's legible, with MAR Solari brought right. This is enough good. Lord knows I was trying to make a cute joke about belly buttons. That's me sucking on my I got is made. We all understand. What's happened we
These are not sound. She makes everyone. I never said this before, but can we get back to the alien stuff whenever the hell were talking about Philadelphia, experiment,
Henry you're about to tell us about the Office of Naval research. This is where it actually for me gets very cool. There was a guy named Sidney. Sherby that worked for the
he was he was some admiral or something like that for the Us Navy, and so what he did was. He was actively interested.
In the UFO stories, he had one of the guys that worked under him again and build Bich, who he said was like a top notch. Guy was seeing at the time was described as foo fighters
weird lights around his jet when he was flying around and
a little preview for our next episode move as we speak yeah.
So he wrote a report about it's like his buddy, the guy that he knows it's like super fucking legit said I'm seeing this shit outside like. I think that either it's some kind of russian ship or there is something weird that we don't know they go through the actual pipeline. So at the time
Dodger Blue book was around so he's like he went to
blue book to be like
we're seeing we wrote up all the reports like a ten page report and got nothing back so he's like we need to form her own independent research group
within the when our and we're just going to
and not tell anybody
so they started like reaching around and talking to other officers about ship they'd seen it sort of collecting all these sightings when all of a sudden, this package shows up
at his out on his desk city, Sherby's desk, and it was it said, happy Easter on it and open it up
it's? This is where the Philadelphia experiment story, kind of gets, kicked into.
Somehow into legitimacy. It's the ultimate story of
cause there's. So many now people saying that this thing actually happened at the Philadelphia.
It happened. Is enough like this is what makes it legit or this is what gives
the tiniest bit of Creedence. Is it just because Happy Easter, happy, Easter, happy and then so? That makes it real
NEWS stories really cool there idea of like these guys do in the independent UFO investigation.
Within the Navy. I thought well, what's in the box: what's in the bag with these guys are they were like the x files in
1950s. That's. Essentially these guys.
Division division, the from the invisible as far as, what's in the box, the wind just
arrived at the when our he found what was in the box. What's in the box was a heavily annotated copy of his book, the case for the UFO. Now we know this package came from Texas, but there is some debate where in the state
it came from some say it came from Gainesville, which is north of Dallas in EAST Texas. Other say it came from Seminole, which is some four hundred miles away near the New Mexico border in Gainesville County. When I can say about Seminole, is that it's
a few miles away from Hobbs New Mexico, which, in this day and age
they have something to do. Also seminal is just a couple hours drive from Roswell,
maybe also which is also now meth country, it's pretty much most of
Mexico, especially like southwestern
Eastern New Mexico is very math heavy. Don't even get me Farmington or Clovis yeah.
I don't know, there's a lot to do there. I guess
This just sounds like a man who's having sex with this Labrador but stills like fucking, sending you selling your hot dogs,
I don't like it. We'll close. This is actually where they found the earliest known settlement of Man in North America. Look at that right there in Clovis that nice, so the annotations inside the copy of the case to the UFO that was sent to the Office of Naval research seem to be correspondence between three different people with each annotation written in a different color ink to correspond with the correspondent who that's kind of fun.
Super fun member those ink pens. We had five different inks in one pen. I do. That was the only that's the only happy memory I have of childhood yeah and then one time I got a huge pencil and it brought it to school, and everyone said it looks normal in your area. We had a good laugh over that mean, while you're just low.
Could have gone a load Negandhi. So give me a reason not to shoot. Give me a reason, and then you discovered basketball.
Just looked at on my huge pens, don't laugh now the only course
given a name in the annotations was Jimmy while the other two were named.
Mr A and Mister B by the Onr or if you are,
more into esoteric writings. This is a fun ask book to read. Look up
Vero addition to be a r o edition of the case to the your call there's pdf's online. It is one of the first examples,
crazy, UFO, writing and it's it's so much fun like because it's got characters
british aliens talking from anyone's perspective, yeah it's proto, Biblioteca, technically, eighty, let all the
alien language that you hear spoken out there like at least like the crazy alien language. It's not new
to the internet. This shift, like people have been ranting about this ship in writing. For decades. Now now it seemed as if this edition of the case, the Ufos that was annotated in three different colors of ink, seems that these three people that were writing to each other or extraterrestrials or, at the very least, had enough knowledge about Extraterrestre
to be casual about the whole thing. This is an exam you guys should have enjoyed seeing Lena's mystique, trimmed trying to maneuver the first craft before directional field. Induction was discovered that to me is classic,
Caleb. How willingly good humor? No, the only only only only only only only only only
Do you remember when we milk that black man
I believe that he wasn't married to a white woman, Betty and Barney Hill. Did you also invent the fighting pen ink
you're talking about, or is that the thing that humans make that comes out of that front to with the thought that black man made quite a bit? Although lighting you know what I'm saying yeah I I mean only only only only thank you there's also what appears to be
an alien language used in these writings. Here's an example of that
him ty Dolla D
tall enough and be Scala. I
I told you me okay, alright, well with the floors
can up here in the studio to seem to this. Hello is upon us. Thank you for honoring know those words market that would you just sell, like a rabbi with the brain and
So if I were to open up he'll be more like yeah hum Tipu dark skin, Dick, never die alone, Iphone, be scar, cutting told me. Ok,
saying, is in the room now he's looking at this. He said no already got them. He just went back down to Hell, so isn't that interesting, so there's even a bit of a blue joke included in these annotations when Jessep wrote the sentence, these reports include a thunder bowl,
disrupted the bridal chamber of Francois Wall Montmorency and day in France. One of the correspondents responded with chuckle.
Lost his cool in quote here: action really like a little like a little giggle they're, very
Please let themselves throughout this well they're having a of fun there good time, alien friends, but even though
Well, damn thing was pretty goofy the and are just like. Jesup was desperate for any source material and still called in Jessa to review the book they had just received in Jessup.
Took one look at the handwriting and immediately recognized the cow
in the handwriting of his old correspondence Buddy Carlos Allende. He also recognize
is written in the margins in reference to nothing in the book a familiar claim. I am
play blurred still saying that the forcefield can make a man to fly for I have seen it up and I know
hoes at least flight and I'm not disturb the Paris exhibition, one thousand nine hundred and fifty one scion ts from
Bonnie's university, it's old misspelled!
honestly. This is directly written from the Fucking Barrow addition and it is very difficult to speak about an ATP
it's cold here we stayed two ua showing these action Us Navy, Horsfield experiments, one thousand nine hundred and forty
free October produced invisibility of crew, and she feels some results, so terrifying us too, fortunately hold for the resort.
It's better than having aliens right at this Carlos guy. I think he said he would be a fun time to hang out with whoever Jessup dead,
the other notes written by a yen day were intriguing, particularly the ones about propulsion, and so he continued his work in the UFO field and gave more credence to the Philadelphia
right, 'cause. There is some Kulesh it written and these annotations, because Carlos was actually as will find, is actually
really brilliant human being if a fairly pathetic human being
mentally ill mentally would say. Yes, it seemed like he was:
a bit on the spectrum as well,
yeah a little bit, but also a fair amount of schizophrenia, most likely now, unfortunately, the only other lead Jessop got was uh
from a couple of crewmen in which they said
almost man had approached him and yelled about, and
ferment in which most of the crew died or suffered horrible side effects. Well, you gotta believe
and if I hear a good story
someone who currently is without a home. I will give them money. I respect a great
I like a good stories. Well, I I mean it's just don't come to me with. You need some money to go to your mother's funeral. My got that got them. There's one guy on the g. Try not to get too in
side baseball, but his mother must be dead for a year and a half and he still hasn't gone to the funeral. I guess it's a long one, I'm not sure it's a long funeral along funeral anyway. He doesn't get my money well because
Yes was out of leads by nineteen fifth
when he was in at the end of his rope, both professionally and personally, he gone through a messy divorce, he'd gotten into the two serious car accidents and he has lost the respect of most
not all of his peers. Due to his UFO beliefs on April 20th, one thousand nine hundred and fifty nine Jessup made plans to meet for dinner with a friend of his
a doctor, J Manson Valentine, very cool. First name is
so then he changed over Jake as the rest was cool jerk,
damn sounds like a hell of a baseball player is JB
saint valentine on the midnight hour coming up we're going to get a little blue here's miles, Davis on Casey, WWW, DOT, staytuned
long time listener. First time, caller Jerky Valentine it's three hundred pm. It is always is three hundred pm when you're on the air- and you pretend like it's midnight. Who are you? Ok, don't know we talking about
the midnight hour c, w we're gonna get kind of
blue here's John
huge pile of you before all the drivers have fallen asleep, so J Manson Valentine was supposed to meet up
with up on four hundred and twenty for dinner, but instead of dinner, just drove to a park ran a tube from his exhaust pipe into his car window and let the gas take him
It's better meet my my coolest friend in the world, Mister Valentine and oh man that I forget to dvr
choose who would see him again going to get. There was going to be talking about it,
I may as well just for commander. No, so Jesup kills himself, he killed himself or did he I don't well. It seems like he is currently dating or do what we can get to the other death, while some believe the Jessup who was continuing his work and was in regular conversation with Jay Manson Valentine about the Philadelphia experiment, with suicide by the US government to keep their secret safe side. No, unfortunately, he definitely committed suicide. He
If you chose to do that, I actually have a breakdown of the end from the Philadelphia experiment by bill more the end
is life so just to read,
your second, so you can eat. So is very sad so after
All of this went down everything cooled off right. He got called in to be the Europe
hurt by the Navy. These they went over for like three weeks and eventually like this, is horse shed and he's like no, no, it's a horse. It and they're like get outta here and so Jessup LE
because they were like we'll do our own thing. This is like fucking up our actual investigation of Ufos. So thank you, but no thank you, and so he goes off. He tries to become
expert in Mexico of the mayan ruins, but they won't. Let him do it like. He went to go like be a part of it. So Jessup after the collapse of his hopes were exploring the Mexican created by one thousand nine hundred and fifty eight. It seems
all, but given up is perfect, so real duties and temp to make a living to writing and publishing, although not immediately successful, Miss Presidium currently felt free enough to continue trying for a while even the met living.
A somewhat reduced income since his children are all gone and had moved away and his wife had left him. According
after seeing to it that the large house he owned outside of Miami was closed. He moved back to
state of Indiana, where he set himself up as an editor of a small astrological publication here
did you try to pursue his writing career while at the same time becoming more and more interested in psychic phenomena, and so finally, he left up. He in fact, one of his psychic friends, who accepted
dinner invitation from him in the early one thousand. Nine hundred and fifty eight during one of Jessup's visits to Ann Arbor is said to have commented on how shocked she was at the change in his vibrations. They had. She rather quietly observe,
taking on a sort of astral be
kind of died smelly. I then he killed himself and then ask them the apparently in his with a suicide note. He said: please ought get a site say
together and try to reach me from the other side, but do it on radio so that we can prove that there is life after death and
at that together, didn't like this, like a community is fully a little bit. Something tells me that might be true. The only way to achieve life after death is through music and podcasting yeah. We were dot to die tomorrow.
There will be hundreds well, at least until the infrastructure collapses in the whole internet goes down, and then it's just nothing, and then it's extra creepy, because you're listening to dead people talk
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Weather Jessup, committed suicide or was suicided. He would not be alive to meet with the second witness,
the Philadelphia experiment, Al Bielik now I'll be like came forward in the 80s. After seeing the movie, the Philadelphia Excel
which was loosely based on the event Henry. Do you ever get around to watching this? It's
free cheesy. I just saw the trailer for it. I do have to eventually watch it, but it's cheesy and it's fun. It's a really fun Sci, FI movie, but I'll be like saw this movie once
wow he had this like wake up, and you realize
is that old man I did that shit right now be like is actually better known in conspiracy,
circles for his role in the Montauk project, which we will definitely be covering in an upcoming episode and is also what stranger things was based on no kidding yeah a said he
and his brother Duncan were taught by Dr Von Neumann. The doctor Strangelove Guy
How God himself, the diaper, important scientists thought these guys. I mean this had VON Neumann, I mean he was he's the guy that came.
One of the guys that came up with game theory. The theory of mutually assured destruction he's got, I think for
different degrees like VON Neumann was a super, a true super scientists, and supposedly he taught I'll, be how gravity, time and quantum Physics,
really work. Do not all this fake shed out really was ok now, at this time, be like also met, Einstein and Tesla, who he says, were also heavily involved in the Philadelphia experiment,
slammin policy together, not having a great time. Well, no just a diversion. He just called them know that the deal he's,
What do you mean called about it? You get ahold of these guys now here. Well, there was a whole
whole story with how Bielik got involved with the government, but the HE
one of those guys that would tell stories like my first memory
It was when I was nine months old when I heard my parents having
vision, as I was sitting at the piano- and I understood every word, like still
you family? Guy he's also very similar to Phil Schneider. It's like that.
Where he's a weird outlier guy that made his whole name being his whole life purpose, is now being a professional witness, yeah and be actually
we look and Schneider we're friends. Ok, now interesting! So here's where it gets. This is going get a little.
Key here, but I'm going to need you to come along with OSHA.
Yeah. I mean it's been so clear and precise. Thus far, I can deal with a little murky talk, so Bielik and his brother Duncan
or on the USS Eldridge, when it teleported, but before the elders went back to Philly Duncan jumped up the ship
and traveled to one thousand nine hundred and eighty three, where he lost his time lock and aged well.
Here for every hour and eventually died, but thankfully,
I am engineers at the Montauk project, traveled back to nineteen, fifty to convince Duncan STAT to Father another child which he did and the time engineers were able to transport Duncan soul into the new child. Although nothing is said about what happened to the soul, that was already in said, child kicked to the curb
I guess so, and what made the same job for them. On top boys yeah I mean this is just a dumpy dude, just dumping normal, be like yeah. Well, maybe not
probably a dumb guy. I'm going to assume you, don't don't shameful! I'm nice man, teleport!
for the US government, but you're going to see shameful because I was wishing I was watching the whole interview with him an hour and thirty eight minutes, long interview with him where he says that they jumped off the ship and he's like no. We kept
I am flying employment. I guess you call flying it's more like sideways ways flying and flying
and applying next thing. You know me and my sweet sweet brother Duncan close, is all hell love. My brother Duncan ended up in a hospital room. First thing: I did notice that the problem was all that.
These were flat. They showed me- and I give me a map- give me a map. They gave me a map. I found out San Diego had been completely destroyed,
basically he said that he jumped into an alternative timeline. Oh, I see where there was all of these disasters and now it's up to him and the
information in him and the Montauk boys they're, the only ones that can save planet earth from the the alternate Future
San Diego is destroyed. Well that I want
thinking for a service, an I think, that's wonderful! What he did to save San Diego one of the best of the best
in America they've also,
yeah these fun little ancillary stories where, like, for example, they said that they had brought bigfoot from a different dimension into our dimension into right in the middle of their science. Lab and no boy did Bigfoot cause a whole bunch of havoc and they had a heck of a time getting him under control, I'm sure they did leave bigfoot alone. It's like Bill and TED
Bill and TED were old white racist.
Feeling. Sorry like pretty much,
The other story in the Philadelphia experiment has been DIS
supposed sources, multiple different ways. This is among
easily, disproving conspiracy theories we've ever talked about which brings us back to,
close, I yen day, real name,
will my real name is Carl, so
see why I adapted the Espanol character, am a little bit interested, though. Why did you go with Carlos anything? Anything to not be main? You know
just by hearing yeah yeah. I know yeah
Carlos Ayende, I think is I mean
far as aliases. Go it's pretty fun,
It's a great feat. You have to be incredibly balls
to go spanish with your pen name
but I mean it would be like if I win is like Marcos Park is
ooh yeah, you're, luchador name,
baby. Now that doesn't work, it'll does not work in the spanish language. Hello,
it's kind of that kind. It seems like a whole. Spanish races got very used to sing german names. I don't think so. Where's your mother live again all right. Yes, scum bag, good! Lord! No I'm!
so in the summer of nineteen sixty,
and a man named Carl Allen showed up at the aerial phenomena.
Search organization in Tucson Arizona and said he was in fact Carlos Allende. Furthermore, he told them he'd made the whole damn thing up, but after
book. The Philadelphia experiment. Project invisibility came out, Carl Reverse that
fashion about as fast as he could and the
community was more than happy to accept that as by the late sixties, the annotated
of the case for ufos, have been published in what was called the Vero edition and was firmly apart of UFO Lore
basically what he said out right with that all of these people were making money on my fake name Carlos I N Day, and I'm not I want to
make money in there. So he's going to come out and be like, I am Carless IND, throw his circle hat down, take off his sash and just be Carl
America he's allowed to do that. I mean there is some real, intelligent people researching Ciuffo's, and things like that. You just do these stories just take away from what they're actually working on, because you know what's the name of the first yeah, so this is all I mean
is the temperature that takes away from the guys, like our favorite Stanton Friedman,
you guys like me. I don't know him, you just get stoned on your roof and stare at the sky. We do. We are concerned,
you are going crazy, I'm just getting closer to the fucking truth right and that's the problem. Every in
I get closer to the truth. I get farther away from every
that's going to do a good future. So the
Carlos Ayende story. It was pretty well accepted in the UFO community for about ten years, but in the late
is a UFO researcher named Robert Gorman started digging into
I end a story now Gorman is, he is a true believer. He's
founder of the Nonhuman Research Agency, which explores encounters with mysterious strangers beings creatures. We also studies interspecific relationships,
also the most do most mysterious creature of all the human woman. What it is that they
What is that they do and where exactly is a vagina
there's a great movie. What women want. I think you should check yeah. Actually, if you go to Gorman's
website? He has a heading that says: bedroom encounter.
Right. No one here is also very very handsome.
It looks like Martin short from the movie Clifford. If he was a man, I love that movie clip are below the movie Clifford to Gormans a family man, though we had it, we gotta say he's got gays gotta, wipe he's, got kids he's treated with respect, he's a family man, but bed
encounters. That's the part where he talks about sleep paralysis,
a rather that the beings you see during quote unquote: sleep paralysis are actually paranormal home invaders,
sir just goes Sir just happen to be the thinnest burglar. So in the late
Gorman was a writer for the paranormal magazine fate, working on a piece about the Philadelphia experiment, as he
Carlos Allende aka Carl Allen had shared the same
hometown now. By sheer coincidence, Carl Allen's parents turned out to be family friends who
only revealed this to Gorman, reluctantly after they found out, he was working on a story about their sons, so they just bonded over the fact that both of their sons are Luna
yeah what hosts it must be for both of those players to get together, like so your son, still crazy, yeah but you're. So the US still crazy
Gorman's, not crazy. It's not crazy. No he's not he's he's one of those guys he's on like unsolved, mysteries and monster quest, so that he's not crazy monster Christmas. I did. We realize he's not crazy he's not he's not crazier than him he's no crazier than Henry is Henry's
I just said that he was crazy, making a living making a literally better living this guy yeah. Well,
the card CALL Alan's. Parents were definitely not proud of their son. I will say that though yeah they were very saddened by him. Also think about just the conflict between the spy versus spy of nerds happening in a small
now we're Robert Gorman cousin. This interview, I watched them. It's a great documentary that before the history channel was a piece of shit, they did this thing called national mysteries that we did
historical mystery, his history's mysteries, mysteries, mysteries,
It's very, very sad title is not a good. I liked it. That's actually the best title out of all the ones that you that's a great title: it rhymes yester ease mystery. That's kind of fun.
Were there even slaves, little history's mysteries? Okay, there were so
or is there a bigger secret answer
you should actually has that it's really quite atrocious throughout human history. What we've done to others, but it just. I love this cat and mouse game because he basically said be
I am gonna find car land, and I know with that. I know this town and I'm going to fight him and literally just him walking around her rasping people until finally, his parents being
We know him Robert. We know him. He was always
here- you go, and then they showed up at Carlisle, and's house and finally, like you want us, phucking, shitt and just handed him a box of stuff from their son be like have it have all of it. So Robert Gorman got like the UFO experts, like treasure trove,
just like thrown at him, 'cause they're, like fucking, please get away from us. No, it wasn't like that. They were actually friends that Gorman son, Gorman
water had wandered off and they were like. Well, I guess I know where they at where she is. They went down the street and she was.
Playing with the Allen family
that's strange, sounds like she's covered in their blood and playing with their little. That's just where your mind was 'cause. We've done this chauffeur, so dang long, my minds all strength and I'm darn it gosh darn it. I don't know whatever yeah. He did get this huge treasure trove of materials. There was a signed copy of the bear addition of the case that UFO over the case.
For the UFO. There was also all of Carl Allen's Navy papers like his discharge papers and
there's a number in the upper right corner. That was his. I think, like enlistment number or something like that
and Gorman was able to match that to
one of the letters that Carl Allen had sent to doctor Jessup and he knew that it was real that all this was
connected, we did skip over a lot of details in terms of how they verified everything where it's like you know, just up, went looking for.
His navel like number he had like a there was some kind of connection to the front pictures of him. He was in a neighboring, OB ship Cole. I believe the order to
forest fury are something like that.
So fewer Seth was the ship that car
Alan served on in a part of yourself. Yes, that seems like it's a good name:
I'm sure it was a wonderful made of a ship named after him, doesn't really role at the USS Lincoln. So, in addition to all the documents
They also found articles about the Bermuda triangle, letters and birthday cards to family members and everything in there
all have the same strange annotation that Allen had done in the UFO book.
That's what Allen did with everything, every single piece of paper that had writing on it that he received. He would make these weird annotations out, but, as Gorman dug deeper into the life of Carl,
he did not find a UFO visionary. Rather, he found that the life of Carl Allen was fairly pathetic.
In the words of his youngest brother quote, he's a drifter he's a drifter
Then you the way you said it makes it sound nice, but normally that's not how it sounds. Don't describe a family members, a drifter but like well so, what's Greg doing he's a drifter drifted
like a bag in the wind drifting along, but he was also said to be brilliant. His brother said
That Carl had mastered. Several languages could solve any math problem. You put,
of them was in the words of his brother, a master like polar yeah. He said that once called poses an antiques.
And brought a lady antique dealer to tears, but did not expand on how or why
look. I came on your shoes Gorman.
So found a note that was enclosed with the annotated
of the case for the UFO that red dear dad and mom encloses a book. I co author
with Professor Morris K, Jessop of the University of Michigan night twenty four years ago, do not ever part with this book. Be'cause. Its original price was twenty five dollars, and so this
look I help to write alone by myself with no mystery or mister bean. Can we here
Carlos the voice, just to make a comparison here,
probable and monitor enclosed. In a book. I go all done with Professor Motor Skate, Jessup Moimoi, big dot, Org out of the University of Michigan night
four years ago, do not ever part with his book
these are regional flights put into the my daughters, everything
Where is book, I have to live alone. I'm ahead with
mystery or Mister Bay. Anything else you want to
yeah, yeah yeah, I see now I want to buy that. I like that, that Carlos Character, that was a brilliant move on that guys part. So, when UFO researcher Gorman released the article in Fate magazine about Carl Allen, pretty much
using him as a broad halt
it was a hoax Allen, responded with a fair amount of death threats, very sad, mostly just being like I'll kill, kill, kill.
Yeah, but when Gorman finally met Alan Gorman said it was about the most anticlimactic mobile.
His life said alums numb, but nice. I guess
he just decided. He wasn't as angry as he wanted to be. That's also
well how impressive Robert Gorman Was- and he didn't want to fight him, but since the
Pro edition, was to many ufologists an important artifact. The UFO community
Shawn Gorman after the publication of the article and as far as the fate of the USS Eldridge
it was given to Greece was lost. Briefly.
Bureaucratic error and was event
we take it apart and sold for scrap metal in the 90s there. Still people in there be like this very bizarre
Bunch of dumb
also to be honest with you, but the one thing
could be true. Out of this. Is that Carlisle and was actually ownership, did
happened to see a ship line with a technology called degaussing which was supposed to make
It was supposed to render ships invisible to radar by putting
wiring all around it.
It was some weird thing they tried to do for awhile when they put wires around it and they would run electricity trying to blow off pings radar, pings, paying
the Carlisle and saw that, and just
ran with it ran the story with the intended purposes. We do have an visibility at this point anyway, when it comes to our error, airplanes and enabled vessels when it comes in, I'm not been able to be picked.
Radar. The technology isn't that crazy, yeah radar invisibility is not crazy at all,
I mean I'd, go even a step further from that is that some of the guys that were involved in the D Gaussian experiment said that they talk
in the local bar about this type of shed like all the time and they
say yeah we're making the ship invisible button. They were just making the ship radar.
Visible in so it's possible that Carl Allen took these conversations and just ran with and with
so I find a good way to make a ship invisible. Is that you just cover it with the plight of the
american Romani, very good with the the
The American Romani are having a bad time the
the of the American Romani.
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