On the conclusion to our series, we cover Panzram's horrendous time in Africa, the back breaking injury that put him out of commission, and the murder that finally sent him to the gallows.
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I was. I was in Pittsburgh for a very lovely memorial service for Natalie grandmother.
The very unevenly there the whole was dug, and it was very solemn and very beautiful and the boy array a what that's that's the burial. Isn't it is of no memorial serve. Europe was the dough. The body was already cremated
within an so they put in a gigantic
Crete Square right, dislike thing with a lid on it and it's a big everyone felt like you know, of course you say couple words and everybody leaves the finale what're you something really special and put a necklace of her grandmothers end with the earth and the concrete box. So she asked me if I would be,
to go down into the grave right.
So they crawled into the grave and open up the thing, and I didn't get hard.
And I want to say that there are great and congratulations. It also seems like they really captured her soul and will never be released again. Double barrier. Cremated cremation can data
a metal box survive cloves of garlic. While all right is the last, but guess level have never what I abed Kizil, that's Marcus Parks. We have, I guess,
in reserve, brows gate see up up up up up up up, doing nothing naughty with the skeleton
the issue of a catch me out. I was speaking of
I don't know what we're speak. It will lead but we're out of Karl pads Rampart three, and this is where the story gets a little bit more murderous, and quite if you don't think I could get more intense, well believe it or not. It does
gets much more intense and much more evil
and when we last left Carl, he had wrecked his yacht off the coast of Atlantic City and lost all the spoils of ten murders. He committed, while doktor of City Island in the Bronx. That's the problem of keep. No your lewd on a yacht d up. You can't go hit now
Will you didn't? Have a storage locker port authority could stored in getting a little more Simpson to hang out with, like side show Bob those great everyone had by the way I've been watching the Simpsons? It's pretty good is pretty obvious that if Carl pans RIM did have an assistant, they don't.
Ass? You lock? No, they do not. We will talk later about Carl PANS. Rand's assist awry undeterred, Carl
immediately went back to Connecticut to the same town where he had robbed President William Howard, Taft Lookin for another score of the same size. You can buy another yeah. Now, do you think TAT was still stuck in the town?
Have you are all these years still dark Brown Marbre. I heard your first robbery and I have to say I congratulate you on your stealthily spot can use. Please get me some
please God through my sides. This is this is embarrassing. I was
my body of up and then there's the sun comes through the window just so he starts cookie. Like a networking asked Turkey on this burglary attempt compounds, room was announced
cesspool and he was arrested for burglary, ended six months in jail after he got out, he decided to try his hand being
legitimate sailor and join the fly in Squadron of Siemens Union, as scab hold on hold on a second
So they are seamen, they are at sea, but the lion squander what they don't fly so why we are genuinely flying to be their sort of term. It's about speed
I say, ok, but key, and a few other scabs
to get into a gun battle, with the cops and Karl was arrested for agri.
It'd assault. He didn't say why him and the other scabs got new gum battle, but they still got no gun pow one question: what does this gap? A sky?
is a person who goes in works in place of a union men whose, on strike a scab, is among the most reviled people of the american work. It is a scam
thus the Philadelphia phenomenon, I believe, was a truck driver or a person who really owned a dumb truck, who became a kicker for the Philadelphia Eagle Eye was a movie about so called pans. Ram just did everything that was bad everything just above like workin for the day,
they ll give leave of work for the DMZ. He would have you stand there and get your picture.
Take a picture know what I'm going to need you to do is bend over and grab the toes your shoes. This is not for documentation. This is for my own
pleasure. Also you're gonna need to get your original parts certificate in rather a pain in the ass, a pain in the ass. I could do the other thing I once curl was out
on bail, he decided it was time to see the world may skipped out. He sailed to Europe and from their caught a ship to Africa, and this is
Carl would leave his humanity behind for ever and commit some of his most despicable crimes. Ensuring his name would always be shorthand for evil son of a bitch while- and I tell you what he certainly would have done if it wasn't for the great state
or re gone gone
treated him in those prisoners, it's unbelievable what he did to him in Oregon. It's disgusting. I agree. I think it's actually promote prance Oregon. Writing I Leon along Oregon. We all know hours to Oregon. I dont know how it was. All I know is readers legal and we always have a great time in their wonderful state angle
Carl worked as a slave driver for the Sinclair Oil Company, while there he bought,
eleven year old girl from her parents for eight dollars, making sure she was a virgin before he made the purchase. He said he took her back to a shack on the first night and back to the family shack on the second. As he said, she was not in fact, a virgin. The parents exchange that girl for their younger daughter an eight year old Carl said he took her back to a shack and thought that maybe she was a virgin, but it didn't look like it too.
Personally, I think this whole thing was coral in the most evil way possible, because he was still little gun shy from the Denver Gonorrhea incident. I think he was trying to prove that he wasn't gay
I'll! Show you how gay I'm not give me the little girl, because you just not
This is very difficult to know very disturbing. This behaviour is is absolutely awful, and this is the worst thing that has done so far other then, of course, the ten murders detained. But but this is you know this is really ramp up here, but it seems like when he bought this girl key proved the exact opposite. As he said, he took the eight year old girl back quit Lookin for virgins and started looking for a boy, the boy he chose
was a table waiter back at the Sinclair Oil Camp Carl said.
You created him into the art of sodomy as practised by
lies to people, but here
only you serve huge and didn't appreciate the benefits of civilization, I'm not sure of any less drew up kid.
His boss, who fired Carl for the offence but Dingo, quite as far as to actually have curl arrested and curl beat his boss half to death for his troubles, Carl went to the: U S Councils office to try to get back to the states, but Sinclair had called ahead
council- refused to help so you're, never going back to America at least not on our dime. You gotta stay here, but
you are a monster, but why would they want to stay there? You would think that would shoot em away get em out? No, they wanted it. They had. He had to stay there because, like they didn't want him in America's like well just stay here and Angola. Do whatever you want here, just don't do in the United States. Icy got yeah now, while trying to figure out what to do next call was sitting in a park next to the camp. When a twelve year old boy came along Carl, let him out to a gravel pit about a quarter mile from the camp, sodomized him and bashed his head in with a raw,
Carl said, his brains, you were coming out of his ears when I loved him and he
never be any debtor he's
there and as an added bit of may
Carl burned down one of the Sinclair oil rigs before he left camp, causing hundreds of thousands of dollars and damage an incident which,
was well documented, like many of corals com,
So we know that that actually happen
The thing about many of programmes of work will be talking about this, a lot more
in the next few minutes is that people went back, they look, they checked out his claims and a lot of times it check out yet seems to fantastic to be real, fantastic in the in the, in the sense that it so odd unbelief.
Yeah he's like an evil. Paul Bunyan lot aware use very similar Nepal Bunyan, because pulp on you know me
had that water Buffalo right wasn't like barely invaded. Had a female ain't there was bathed, blew out of the blue and there's a rest. There's a pull Bunyan restaurant in Wisconsin. All you can eat pancakes is also a big bade. The blue acts outside of Argo whither. You go up our goal, but bait could also be a man's name like in
Bruce, so it he keeps with the sea order from that oil camp Carl
I take it down to the coast to Libido Bay and hired a canoe with a crew of six locals to ostensibly go hunting for
Could I was on the river, but women crew add their backs Turner Carl. He shot
one by one reloaded and shot him again in each of their heads to make sure they were dead. He then, through the bodies overboard and let the crocodiles,
The rest. It is I gotta say if you are an arsenal, blown up, an oral camp. That's that's the criminal Krim others! I got em. We want to do that. So that's like trash. Can man level so yeah while yet so much fun you to watch all explode,
why think? That's what you wanted to do you own Carl wrote about all this in his autobiography,
I guess it. He gave very specific instructions on how to at least partly verify that these murders happen, but by the time his journals became public in the nineteen seventies. It was too far in the past to truly look into these
civic murders, but there was a picture in the Saturday evening Post of a man in Angola driving workers.
Same way. Curls said he had driven them taken. Dear
a time Carl said he was there. Although the picture was taken too far away to make a positive idea where to start
nobody's alligators check them out, always
open an alligator. Yet a travelled from Africa to Portugal, where he tried to get passage back to America from the. U S, council there, but curls reputation was so horrible that word of him had travelled all the way to Portugal
from Africa in this isn't a clean. The only kind of news, the travel fast was bad news in car was, without a doubt, bad news and carrier pigeons
they are doing, and ISA is like that bad to the bone got George good origin, religion, it it's just like him, because our George Thurgood also had a real bad reputation like we re allow good in bed. I got things I think he has a micro penis, Bosnia, antimicrobial. We don't know we kids,
rumours like no one can spread rumours about George Thoroughgood. We know the lead singer from fog had has a microbial it s, because I really am autos told us, because we trust the word of a serial killer, so
When the Eu S Council refused to give Carl passage Carl stowed away in an english ship and eventually made his way back to New York and early summer, nineteen. Twenty two l down born-
the combating of your good. So so, let's forget about it. When you told that kid
So that's boys are back in town, know about and Carlo Panzer I'm coming home. Technically, that was about crawl pans remedy be called
boys are running away from him at very true abide July.
I had murdered another boy this time. In Salem Massachusetts, he was a twelve year old named Henry MC man, so Carl beat that boy to death. With a rock after Sodomizing M Carl said he left the boy there with his brains coming out of.
There's, while pans ram, would never go on trial for this murder. When he confessed. Two years later, cops and Salem said that the details Carl gave matched up with the facts. They had on hand and
goals fingered Carl, as the guy they had last seen the boy with. I don't think we should
we finger and yeah. I was good. Why would you say fingered its needs and I know what it's like a native internet anger and I are they think of me. I know, but in this case curls like, but will you will you actually do it? If you finger coral good luck, kitten,
you're. My talk about a trap after
murder, coral act.
As a yegg picked up a boy named George, with George in tow corals,
and killed a man who would try to steal a yacht call had just stolen in Rhode Island using a gun. Carloads
one from the New Haven Police Commissioners yacht
although the eyes so much yards of Abu, he loves yards and he loves killing people with guns that he stolen from authority figures. He just gets off on it just that much more than like little bit of extra fuck. You too society after the murder, George decided that he'd had just about enough
a life of crime and Karl, let him go back home and when George got back, he told police all about curls activities.
They caught up with Carl and New York and arrested.
Precise, Amy, burglary and robbery, but coral actually beat this rap only because he made an agreement with a lawyer, the work
crawls yacht as payment preserves, surrender is going well. What is it you get away with them with all these crimes? Have you got a yacht epistle, you need like four yeah yeah you run out of. You are one. I need the union's yachts yachts. Our currency
or at least allied your secret. I know will I'm very confused by the sea God
Why that's why? Well you're back in the twenties I mean a yacht was
really normal means of transportation. A lot of these guys didn't have car so that you're gonna have to go from port city to port city at a yacht was very useful. What's the difference between a yacht and a
oh, my god. I forgot the name of the boat, a robot not really dug but known about tugboat.
I have a letter about my own whenever my no a yacht in a
gotta help boat out all we could name
So what are the tip of my talk? Talk TIM Poon love on two October. I can hear you can't live on upon tune, but we live in an age where you're going about more. No, you can't live on upon tune boat upon tune. Boat is just like it's just a big table that floats on tunes if onwards on now Nikolay, my by uncle lived upon tune vague.
Was against his will and it was in Vietnam. Well, I mean you're just living on a piece of wood in a tent on a river pontoon out. A yacht is about attitude about this. Is my yacht Ya'Ll, your daddy, all too?
take your shoes, often you gotta my yacht. Yes, that is a dead sailor girl. Yet he beat the rat
He gave the yard he beat the rapid got out there, but when the lawyer went to register the boat, it came up his soul,
in our original owner came back from Providence and took it back. I got pans rare.
Dad just let him sodomized me at least that's what I got no result from it. Bigger pans rammed, indeed, a few days after Carl's release in August nineteen. Twenty three call him back to New
in Connecticut and found another boy, but this one he gagged with a handkerchief before strangling him with his own belt and this
Carl said he quote, enjoyed most and details of his confession. Again, matched up with details. The new haven't police had on record, but it wouldn't be the murders that call was arrested for the night after the belt murder car.
Was caught Robin in office, enlargement, New York and was sentenced to five years in prison after being free for half a decade, Robin Raven and kill him as he play. So you know, I think it's good. They arrested
I'm just gonna throw that out there. Then we shall be looking at some of the arrest of rural. These murders right well,
we'll get out of actual. They hope that seems to be the worst crime going on here. It was the worst crime but im in five years, because we only got the highlights. We only got the absolute worse things. They did, I mean, can you imagine what call Panzer and did across the world
five year, just a small. Now I'm doing this gum all get
I'm not going to do
The trash gave little it under the park. Your pants ram crime that makes fifteen for the day time to go to bed
I was sent to Clinton prison a day,
Maura located Upstate New York, Danny Maura, was often called the Siberia of America, essentially the precursor to
Alcatraz it was out of the drive, for there was alchemy. That's only because Cleveland voted to no longer be called
the Siberia of American. So that's not a good thing. Siberia terrible place, Sabre talents from their no safer
not in their favouritism, Canada. I dont know fortuitous. Spake
Oh, I see this both sabre to them, overeager from Canada. That's why they're always at each other's throats is above all a Canadian who know I'm more canadian. They hate each other, both Canadian, but they dont do improv interesting right and, as you see, I don't drink a lot of morals and more that's what the Canadians door. They must have some kind of competition where their drink, nor more laudable, said what made Denham or a special was that since it was so isolated. The town in which the prison was located was almost completely populated by people who either worked at all
had worked at the prison. Miss Maiden prison guard life, a kind of tradition which has passed
I'm from Father to son. It was an almost try, ballistic life with its own value systems, all of which were centred around the punishment of the inmates
yet that tribal like they were doing, mushrooms and seeing the dna of plans and moaning alien, some shit. It would just be like
if we really want to make their assholes gave you gotta put an apple and honestly and that's just that's. Basics
a lot of abuse in those present. Oh yes, and if a prisoners mind broke from that abuse at Dan at Dan, immoral, that pressure would be sent down the street to the state hospital for the criminally insane, which was so bad prisoners were set, prefer solitary can,
did you ever sent me to that mental hospital? There's some annoying guy or says he's Napoleon. Everybody wants me to inspire a revolution among the emails. I say this is not one flew over the goose ass. It's ok! I'm trying to do my time. I do my time and that's all you can do. Is your time grew she fruit.
She wrote a third market just at a brain aneurysm, and they only words and think of her junior so of Karl was inside Denmark called again of predictable run a prison. May him followed by an escape attempt, but, unlike the others, this one would not only be unsuccessful, but would be disastrous for pans, rams health. What they said, one of the most interesting things about data Moura is that it had thirty foot walls. There was just create, looked crazy. It look like exactly look like they ve prison from Batman began its very, very intense, but also the.
Calls extended thirty feet below ground, so they couldn't tunnel out from like a laundry room is, of course, a very classic escape attend, so pans ramp. Somehow without the guard seeing him built an entire ladder made out of gardening equipment. This is how clever he was, because I can't even I'm in a sound
both yes, yes, they blanket over my laptop and this as creative. As I get right, it does seems
age. They allowed him to have garden in equipment in his room, not only grass and any would wonder if he needs it, though he was out in the yard he was out in the yard. I added this I'll have been out in the yard oak, and these guys only nine me get whistle, certainly not built in a lad, ass, her gaudy Hampshire girl, you build in a ladder Carl
Did you dropped her corner up, though Carl
Ride. Scale in the wall using is homemade ladder, but of course it broke and Karl fell thirty feet down
to a concrete slab breaking both his ankles, both his legs
ensuring is mine and in his words, rupturing himself, not good. I honestly think
rupturing yourself in my mind, it asshole fell out of his butt,
No, I don't you may like that's a pro lapse. Figures
maybe maybe his eyes lungs, there's something up. Puncture Athenians, like Hernia type, a thing. Yet it seems like it's not in but centre,
in injury yeah I made a good are the most radical
Then you ve ever said. I think a girl stayed for only five,
days in the prison hospital and tell you is thrown back into his cell without his bones being set in without his legs put in a cast. He was left in that sell for eight months without the care of a doctor, which of course, crippled him forever
sure Poland. It also completely rehabilitated him to write. He said, I'm sorry and he was really like he would very repentant any understood like the nature of its crimes. Right now, I don't
I am going to say, though it is good that he is a little bit weaker. Meetings like you really
Do I anything good when he was at full strength, so well,
see what do you know that guy? I did them yeah we're going to
at about that. I have a whole theory about this time period, today's less by Gaston
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was taken to a hospital where they operated on his rapture and cut out. One
his testicles in the process. So I guess it is nothing but type thing. Ok, you're right five days after the operation, Carl still in the hospital decided to see if the loss of a testicle had any effect on sexual,
performance or out of his men, or does the disgusting he literally just lost, not his ankles or trashed, but somehow his cock still work to smoke. I guess you could you to put these pillars together. Put
not pillows, don't screw. You got drawing this
Mommy's another prisoner in their hospital bed and was thrown back into a cell or he would stay for another three years, waiting on his sin. What a maniac,
wrote the more they misuse me.
The more I was filled with the spirit of hatred and revenge. I
so full of aid that there was no room with me for such feelings is love. Pity kindness,
honor or decency. I ate it
everybody I saw accept
that to me Fallon was
hearted way to end the night. No one of them.
Fascinating aspects of coral pan, for him is just how much of his brain power he dedicated to murder
a serial killers like dollar and Gacy. They play this hall, dog and pony, show being a.
Orchard soul. Did I always struggled with that made? It really want to do it, but they had to do it. There's other guys like Bundy who
never really quite owned up to it even the day of his execution. He, who is they talk to Pat Robertson and tried to blame the whole thing on pornography and change like that. James Dobbs aims on the family, James Dobson TED Bundy was officially forgiven, Jeff,
Dahmer, however, would have built a hell of a ladder
there was a guy. You know nobody grew up
Europe and the summer he matters. You can build a letter built that would allow a ladder. You really sit down the ladder com.
I was just so Indy here somebody I love that he had to make his own lamb. Because, honestly, we you talk about this in the first episode, Marcus, the man is deliberate them in Karl pans RAM was a may him machine of all. I would like an hour show what we produce we diminish.
By serial killers. We like to say like. Obviously these are losers. Bundy was it was a fuckin horrible maniac, the definite
should have been destroyed. Dahmer was a loser. Gacy was was gay and all then, and couldn't figure and had an angel adamant in MID West call. Panzer. Him, though, really is a monster, and you look like it and had nothing ever changed him and every single time
punish him. You got stronger and stronger like he was some kind of big burly gay, rogue. Those more like the hulk. The angrier calves rang. It adds that a stronger pans rammed it is more like a whole and the money
The bottom is that I mean really I mean just physically. He was not that large, you
like five nine
five ten one- ninety, but every person who talks about Pandora talks about how gigantic he was, and that was just a sheer force, a presence there.
This personality that made him look so gigantic. This is what he wrote.
My whole mine. It was spent on figuring out different ways,
what noise and punishment
enemies and everybody was
my enemy. I'm gonna stay there
Annoy you know, it's like hold them merely from the round table is annoying.
That is actually gets all evil. It is it's all levels. He does not care just about ITALY, it be different. If you also was
Two like, of course he liked the murder and like all in the raw being an answer, but he also just like to bother you online waiting
but you're just like. I just do a low hum behind each person in line that will really enjoy them. He was a real honestly. He was a real opposite. What's his name, a bow, legged bow bridges
You'd know tat below bridges, sobering bulls, uranium, Zombie, Bernice, he's Europe Bobby Bananas. They reminded us the only sports reference you ever say and what we just like saying, Bobby bone needed, an audience member to color a lizard urge you cut together every Bobby Borneo reference. How somehow Henry gets do it? Why don't get involved it take another part of those him annoying people. Is you see this here in the city all the time where you see people that are out in public and they are outwardly annoying because they want somebody to say something to him, because once
somebody says something to him. Then they have it
and to react and all of a sudden it's not their fault anymore. It's not their fault that they beat the shit out of somebody. They beat the shit out of somebody because they said something to on right right. So it's all just a justification thing, but Marcus. Isn't this just a cry for help
no, it's not right, but I don't think he cries mental. Our guardians like right for help with the money he had a thorn in his paw
The dawn of a thorn in his paw, he had a chance for redemption and married, but he had many chances redemption, any absolutely Bootblue and if only he would just stayed the flag
in Oregon. He been banned, great fly boy, he would have been on a re gone flag boy, these. What would have been perfect for him, this big and burly wavin that flag and then he could it had all the the sex with men that he wanted, because the flags who doesn't love again
flag in an extensive letter to lesser, and this is talking about how much pans ran thought about me.
Pantera and wrote about the plans for mass murder. You can cut it in Dannemora, while you were sitting there waiting for his bones and it back together. Plants keep very well could have carried out had he,
Ben so devastatingly injured from the fall now remember this. This is eight months of solitary. They put him in alone. His legs do not work. He is his spine is all fucked up he's laying a cot staring at the ceiling. Thinking of a terrorist acts as dots. This man is very patient loads
think not a lot of options either. No first plan started with a few robberies: together, gather up money for dynamite formaldehyde and a few hundred pounds of sulphur call would then go to
EL road tunnels between Myers, they'll, Pennsylvania and Cumberland, Maryland a location he had already picked out. He had it in mind once there he would lay a contact bomb on the tracks in the middle of a tunnel next to the law,
large glass containers full of formaldehyde, along with the hundreds of thousands of sulphur and when the passenger train hit the bomb, the bomb would explode, trapping the train
in filling the tunnel with deadly gas killing everyone aboard the train within
If there was only a cartoon, do, oh, they could stop him like rocky and bowling may seem like a very serious. It's like an old tie me sort of terrorism. I call would wait outside the two
and shoot anyone who would come out and when he was sure everyone was dead car
put on a gas mask and loot the corpses going from train car to train car and new insurance.
Have enough time. He'd also blow the bridge behind him that the train had just gone over and Karl carry this out. The body count will have been in the hundreds, but
the loot car would gain from the robbery he planned to invest all of it in the stock market and maximize profits by starting a war between
England and the United States think gotta thought your rooms they wanna buy a yacht. Finally, my luck yard. My denial of the yacht denied their rights like used one first aid as part of this,
he planned to start a war between England and America, yet actually a very reasonable plan. Sure first
would wait until diplomatic relations were strained, which they actually work.
Between England, the United States, a nineteen. Twenty seven call would wait until a british ship was anchored in the Hudson River in New York City,
then dressed in a? U S. Navy uniform call would fix a navy flag to a couple of small boats, law
go up with the anti an anchor them next to the british ship. He would then light fifty men
fuses on all the TNT inconspicuously paddle away in a third boat, hoping that someone would see him in his. U S, Navy uniform, a girl's hope was at an angle,
man would see either the boats or Carl in a Navy uniform and blame the United States starting a war, and if that didn't work called play from the other side by buying a pretty sure
and bone up. One of the locks in Panama Canal kinda different angles for the sub illegals, his india was really close goes back. In the day I mean, when you were saying, is like there was an actual real tension happening, which we need
UK and United States. He could it and that technically
he would have been leg. Weirdly. The most important man in american history, curls other blames on a much smaller scale. This
involve half a dozen hogs and a barrel of arsenic Carl said he would starve the hogs and present them
mash of flour and water with the poison next- and this is what he wrote-
when all dive into it, it feel themselves. Full.
And in an hour or two, the poison we're can to work through systems. Didn't I was gonna handle
by their hind legs with a wash total under them to get the slimy poison froth drain out of them into the Washtubs tat. I
strain and dry out, and then I am
when get some clay and make three big clay parts each one deficient side, the other and each
when a little harder than the next one
then I was going to fill all three parts poison. I was gonna put them all in one.
In the bottom of the funds into the reservoir. This applies town and poison, all their water,
who's. Your balls, you use this wreck it on a small scale, but I think you're doing
few extra improvements, so that I can do a better job in the bush.
Stone, they were pipers, they didn't, kill half enough, be kind of a tiger mom there they should have killed
body and lived this world for the only good thing in it nature. This would be a day, I'm fine world. If man was out of it with you,
you got all environmental as there are they still a little bit infused. Why do you have to feed into the pigs? So you can get that? Why did you do
Where did they get either? He can not be some pigs. Random, poisons
ordinary state. What's going under the pigs and now available option Rico case, I love the pig gay
You are not at a recent meeting the workmanship here I just don't type of de I why energy I don T
Bob Amy should bear s idea why
gee that he is bringing to these terrorists blot. I just dodo why he included begs that's all I'm asking. It seems that you get a middle pig and went out of the Geneva it'll take years. A gay man this case at the moment is a pig's at the military, but I just don't know either all that, although some of the London did it seldom allowed. No it s not because he was a set it and forget it terrorist, given that this was a man every inch of the way
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than two months after Carl was released from data Maura. He embarked on a reckless crimes
committing ten burglaries and a murder in Baltimore, but call would
taken down for the murder this time. It was nothing more than the theft of a radio that would put CALL Panzer, I'm in
for the rest of his life in a murder while inside that would take him to the hang man's nous, but he did get to hear the Carter family.
And they're a great wonderfully wonderfully talented family August August, ten nineteen, twenty eight offence name Joe Chins ski
rolled over on pans ran after being caught, pawning a radio, the cod stolen from the house of a well known dentist in Washington DC. Just like the idea of us,
well known dentist in town. Every smile is my smiled. It's my smile, ass mice, mile own car,
Was arrested, he treated the charge like a joke, saying he killed too many people to worry about this charge, but it would be while pans round was awaiting trial,
on the radio charge that he would meet a twenty five year old.
Guard named Henry lesser no lesser seem look pretty good due to spars prison guards in the twenties went
It me like Tom Hanks in the green mile. Oh yes, you definitely be played by Thomas
or nowadays, like an orange well said I will go and well your names. Car
why, when Wilson proves you can have a weird knows as long as a perfect body, that's it all you need is
that is at home. Obray alot that entry
Are you also had the temperament necessary to be pretty good prison guard? He was a guy that had an urge to help the less fortunate, but he also enjoyed the power that being a guard gave him. He just add that is. I think you need that to be a good prison go absolutely. You have to have a little over a very small guy. He was considered to be a failure by his
Emily because he did not believe he did not go into the family business. He found this job accidentally. Basically, whole families like, oh, you can't be a prison guards. You're not gonna, you're gonna be terrible at this you're he's like my size, but he's like I'll make up for it when gumption, which, thankfully, what do I mean honestly, just thankfully call pans rambles hobbled or he would have gotten a bit more gumption than he could of Hannah. Probably
A lesser was immediately curious about pans ran from the moment he saw me like we said. A panorama is a man with presence. So lesser walked up to Panzer Himsel and ask what your racket, to which pans Ramrod,
What I do is were for people and the only way
reform, then, is to kill them we'll, let you that's murder
That is not a form that is not try to find a cool icy. I I killed. I know about it. I've been working on the line for a while
my lord, I know thereby reform would imply like they their bid. They are their entire person when at finding darkly. Ironically, I don't. I don't fully understandable for some reason.
Sir decided you wanted to know more and struck up an unlikely friendship, boa
only one pans ram over was when lesser after Panzer I'm gone through a particularly brutal prison torture for trying to loosen his cell bars. Lesser gave bands ram a dollar
if my doll baby dollar by having this is nineteen, twenty has set up a declares: a dollar, ok authority. It seems very insulting. We give a huge man that just been tied to a post in beaten for hours like yours,
dollar. You know what I can
they go with go for. I had
we have one of those who actually known as stupid.
Nice is some ice before my walking one. Not I have left here is a dollar what this actually
tears depends rams eyes. He was almost grown to hold a Henry lesser that no screw it ever done him a favor before and because of that Panzer
chose Henry lesser to be the one to hear the full story of the life of Karl pants ram. Now I have a theory about this. I think in the end, so he confessed to all of his crimes while being heavily tortured in the basement of this prison. Now I think what happened was that after Dana Moura and he was completely crippled and they said that his gait the we walked. Does it look like he was skipping heat up. He was very badly damaged, covered and scar,
issue and inconstant constant pain, I think that he realized tat. He was sort of at the end of his powers and that he was not as strong as he was before and that Henry lesser
in my mind, was another game. I dont think that I think that he was touched by Henry Lesser sort of way.
The way that Murphy try to reform Emily responded a little bit, but I also think that was a long term game as you find out, because he eventually try to escape again. I think that he was trying to switch it up because an mba sickly come out an end everything because he knows that he's sitting duck everybody's eyes or on him there waiting to challenge them as soon as he gets out a solitary and he can't hold his weight anyone's time to tell a story. Maybe I think that he does have some urge to reach out, because with
the whole Spud Murphy thing. I let him out of prison dozens of times like he had dozens of chances to run away. It was just that one night that some for some reason to bug out of his ass and he decided to leave that night. So there was, I think there is a genuine urging him to not
a total and complete monster, they're, just words and error. Anybody who gave him kind of it- and there was nobody you actually like reached out to him. Although
nine he really deserve to be reached out to that's all now, I'm this is a total monster, but Andrey Lesser also had his yet is Kuchen agenda too.
Because he knew cause. He said that he was doing all this form of criminology aspect was really interested in the minds of serial killers, and so this is great
William Henry lesser was like a reversion of us in the past, where he got. We basically sat on a gold mine being like I'm gonna, find out like directly from a psychopaths mouths, would like what a psychopath thinks so interesting
So, whenever lesser, could he would smuggle a pen and paper and pans, ram cell and pans round would fill each paper care
fully numbering each page before leaving them between his cell bars for Henry defined the next morning, and these pages are where we get the vast.
Majority of our information about Panzer, or at least what gave writers and researchers a road map to find out more and what we have said before the honesty. Mostly, when you hear the writings of a serial killer, you're gonna doubt it it's always gonna be full of shit and as a bunch of people, try to attack as accounts, but what we ve said again and again, there's constant reference
to be. His shit is real. I made he was really spill in his guts in a way that I
did he knew that people we're gonna pay attention to in the future. I love the chapter that he wrote if these pigs could doc.
I don't need loud. Pigs are smarter than dogs
we know ban already. We have to eliminate them
first of all because triple their attack in your own right now, o the wild? All you know, then just legalise hot air balloon her. I saw that I was wrong threat. We we just missed it when we were in terrorism that was literally superbowl progress of hot air
we are all a Google, your loony tunes. They were you shoot. Then the basket goes up backwards: noise, eggs! I know it
actually a lot easier and safer to shoot from hot air and because the helicopters they were using or wait
loud and it's hard to get a good shot from a windy helicopter. But when you're on a hot air balloon, you can do it free game, then you can travel all around the world by relying on his walk around planes in Texas and get all the free Hod meet that I want you to want to eat now. You know you know any that game. You shit. We used to kill those while hogs and then someone would serve him up at parties than ever. We just grab big hunks me with their
The agenda is just so that others, this three year olds, extremely stringent example shed. But you know it's not dry. Anything wants now, while all this is
on between lesser lesser pans, rampage ram was starting to gain some attention. During one of his torture sessions, Carl had confessed to the murders of the three boys in Philadelphia New Haven in Salem. Unlike we said, the details were all check it out. Someone Carl went on trial for the radio theft. A crowd was gathered. Panzer. I'm took the opportunity to say a few words for himself in open.
Court now. The way these words are formulated. You're gonna see that he understood the gravity of having everybody's attention and he really he was trying to cement his place in history
You people called me here, charged with housebreaking an Orsini. I am guilty. I broke in and I stole one idea
steel. I smashed. If the owner had come in, I would have thought this brings out. There's something else you wanted
While you were trying me here, I was trying all of you to try found you guilty some of you I executed. If I live I'll, execute some more of you. I hate the whole EU
grace you think, complaint crazy, told you I'm not. I know right from wrong. No delusions! I don't hear anything. You don't hear my conscience dotted bother me. I have no conscience, I believe the whole human race through be exterminated I'll, do my best to do it every chance I get now. I've done my duty, you jus yours. I am the man
you get the feeling. This defence attorneys just like stop cut it out by good, didn't know what I am about. That's gonna make the case more differ and for that little speech call pans. Room was sentenced to twenty five years at the federal penitentiary, Leavenworth Kansas, the same prison. He had served time and after the army, when he was a teenager after the verdict was red. Lesser went to Carl Cell to do a routine bar check on the windows, as Karla gained. A reputation for using his amidst strength to loosen the bars and lesser walked in and turned his back on.
While he was doing the inspection Carl walked up behind him and said you re Google, don't ever do that again. Turning your back on me like that,
the reply by saying that there was nothing brave about it because he call or bodies with Carl said. Yes
You are the one man in the world I dont want to kill, but I'm so erratic. I'm liable to do anything
like call back he s, stay for the entire period,
another row like u isn t always so I have to monitor. How did it here?
but really is the Michael Myers
any trail relationship, Jane Halloween's, but the face to face Brenda wasn't last
January thirty, nineteen, twenty nine lesser, took pans ram on his transfer to Leavenworth. Once there the two shook hands and promised to write
and right. They did
this is such a weird stories as bans or have letters. The lesser are worlds apart from the biography pans ram it written while house in Washington DC jail. He talked about the articles he enjoyed. Reading his favorite philosophers, he loved content, Nietzsche and his opinion that lesser should get out of the prison racket. It's really funny. He got to come
Neatly this aim is the people like there were in the game or gate. There is the same. It's all the same guys would use to get piles and piles of philosophy, books and struggle to read them like he would take them any and desperately tried to its very interesting imagining other people watching and through. I also think that Henry Lesser was just not as type in as is why didn't go. Atam or Pendril even gave lesser business ideas such as pans ramps, admittedly good idea,
to invest in the dehydration of foodstuffs as a means of transportation. Oh that's good, and then it could be lesser is more, which would be a good you ve hydrated food which lesser, but in reality its more well, but I dont think you took it. Bans are wrote about that.
If you have done, as I told you to do, to get from the departure
agriculture, some treatises in papers of the subject of dehydration of fruits and vegetables, then all you will need to do is go
you're, a grocery store and by a quarters worth of ripe bananas. Write that down, that's all you meet dehydrate.
They killed. If there really dry and the new grinding result into a fine flower, it's nice Bab pick it up at night. The needed you will find. It is a very good. I have done this myself and I know: did you
or eat oatmeal with chopped up bananas in it. That's something pretty good aid, but it's all so much better when it's fixed up, I suggested by Karl pans, ram three one: six one for
taking you to down, I know is, like the guy, be Eddie of prisoners, but he can't roll out anywhere and that's really would be funny if he was a moral and out, but he's got a yacht
Sir, what right back soon enough for bans are aims. Liking call would play the part almost that of a wounded lover.
I received your last letter July. Twenty ninth- this is my third letter since then. What's the matter, don't you get all of my letters or don't you care to answer them
if you dont, want to write to me just say so, and I shall not bother anymore. I saw what you did. You left me on red. I see the three dots. What are you trying to say? I do say say what you want to say.
Words fall out. Honestly, I want to see you be brave girl. I just don't think it's working out with us. Europe
Prison two years areas like all the rest? Now all right, you are you're just a serial killer and I have a life to live. I met a woman. I am a man with needs, a man saying yes to his sexuality and you have into between just I'm in love with the one you.
But it was it all. Bananas invention for car pans, ram Leavenworth Carl's first day when he was taken for processing. He told the officer in charge I'll kill the first man who bothers me
in six months later. Pans ram would make good on the kill him threat upon arrive,
Leavenworth coral was assigned duty in the laundry room which has overseen by a hard ass k, K, K leader named Robert Warranty, whom fans I'm absolutely. Despite what I ain't. Nothin sticks to Teflon. How did you get tat
airports will, why would they?
bother pans, romilly new, wasn't gonna turn out right, we'll call said, and he said in open court, he told Henry lesser. He said it.
On the transfer their, he told the deputy chief. He told the guy who brought who brought him in again and again and again again, I'm going to kill the first man who bothers me:
don't bother him. So don't bother him how it was I weighed up. He was sitting because the actual released
ship in jail is someone is going to bother of gold is going to happen at some point, somebody's been across you, so he was just tell everybody, I'm gonna! Do it and your old- because at this point also, I think that there was a gigantic you can see. The sentiment in jail was that he was full of shit where the people by his stories were full of shit that he was just some kind of like guy used like trying to get attention in jail, because he was getting a bunch of extra attention because he was basically getting hold into all these different confessions, nor the Shin so he's.
But his money where its mouth is now well. There was really just one guy who thought he was full of shit, and that was like one guy that was in solitary confinement with them all the rest of the day. All the rest of the guys were absolutely terrified of an even after he was crippled amid this got that
There is also that's how much power this guy had.
How much he exuded and just how tariffs.
He really was use how much like how much of a monster he when you think about Hank Hills, dad in king of the hill.
They even have legs and he was scary. It's like Stephen Hawking, who only got smaller,
when they put him in the chair at that very droop. After a few months of being a good boy,
four started laundering, a few extra handkerchiefs for some pocket change for the prison candy warranty soon caught Carl and
did him down the third grade status, which is just as bad Leavenworth as it was the first time Carl was their third grade. Prisoners were sent to. Solitary confinement were placed under strict
rules couldn't receive mail, couldn't use the commissary and weren't even allowed to watch the monthly prison movie. That's so sad and for busted him down, Panzer am swore to kill more in key, as warranty had indeed bothered him are usually when a prisoner was
the third grade. The prisoner would be reassigned from the person who busted and down to avoid the inevitable revenge when they won't get a movies,
in here. Like slap, resin boat ties like what is it what's? The name is that of the films back in this new in this era. This is this is your. This is your we're, not the talkies, yet army, no nineteen! Twenty eight was the year
the vote. Will it came out? Your first make emails cartoon. I bet you would have liked. A better view is about a yacht who leaves
they. They always re reassign these guys, because they were always afraid that these guys would take revenge on their bosses, but because pans, rent
and this is the-
amazing irony of it, because Panzer em had specifically threatened to kill warranty. Car was set right back to the laundry room because weren't you didn't want to lose face because it be lost face than he would lose,
backed and in a prison like Leavenworth hard as place like that. Respect is the number one thing that
Have it's the only thing you have you lose that end you're done it's the currency
low and pans, came back to the land
room from the hole. The other prisoners said that Karl
calm down, or at least appeared to and eventually faded into the background. But
in a letter to Henry Lesser Carl wrote
My same job like it less each day, I'm getting old.
For a change. It won't be long now seem scary, yeah. So in June
one thousand nine. Twenty nine call was walk in and laundry room when he passed by a half built washing machine. They had an open packing crate next to it, which was
filled with ten pound iron bar just outlier, Egypt and these depression Y yeah. That would be the point that has been like use if you want to escape Carl picked one up and hid behind a steel support being on the opposite side of the room and waited for Robert warranty. Warranty entered the room work he stopped and from the same washing machine to take
look at the construction and possibly to wonder why there was a large create with a bunch of ten pound iron bars. You just see the damage
take this aims at. I know that I am also grand words through the k, K, K and I'm like fine with that. But this is a big mistake,
that is at stake and we mourn
turned around there stood coral pans, ram,
the loud, Roar Panzer and brought the
bar down. Oh monkeys, head sin and under the floor, pans ran past work, his head again and again until the Foremans head was an unrecognizable motion, brains and bone meal.
Dad tat. This was not so basic grand wizard right of the gay
ok, yeah right, get a panzer ends,
and turned his rage towards the other men already at work. Any started swing in the bar at them, but, as Carl wasn't his surprise, he once was due to the fall he missed again and again and pandering then
out of the laundry and into the office of the deputy warden to take his revenge on that guy. For denying crawls weren't transfer,
and while he was doing that, he walked right past a guard who noticed coral, but it really think anything
well you just do I mean I wanna get killed by Karl Panzer. I would definitely turn the other cheek, not troubled and blood, with ten,
on by night. Hey call need anything. Anybody of something of my lucky for the deputy warden guy was in
other wing. Having a conversation with Guard Captain Fred Mole, dorms
already Morrison and pans
did not have his revenge panorama move,
the adjoining clerks room and started swing in the bar again, but you didn't hit anyway
that time either and he also chased a trusty
dining room, but never managed to catch him. Do again to the limp and Romagna look on his face and sort of like you know when you put a dog in a wheelchair and it has at look from us, it fell so sad, yeah he's like a drunk Raphael
Carl then made his way down to the isolation block open the near cell and sat down with a relaxed look on his face. Satisfied with a mission at least part ways accomplished that right there
That is why, as an ex so on December, fifth Carl PANS room was indicted for first degree murder, which said just fine with them, because Carl at this point he wanted to dot. Finally, he's gettin charged with murder is the first time
the first. I good Lord, what he was indicted for murder when he started confessing to those murders of those boys. I unfilled
the era, you haven sale. They started
I had already I for those murders, but this is the one that he had done out in the open in front of dozens of witnesses and hot had tried to killed dozens of others. He
going to kill as many as you possibly could, because that was it
main goal was to die. He was crippled. He was done. He was never going to escape from that prison he was.
For twenty five years by the time he got out. I think he was gonna be in a sixties, so he had nothing left and also a needed to get a kill on the books.
I think he knew in order to solidify his reputation as an all american folk tail person identity, because that we wanted to be wanted to be a pope. He needed to prove that he could murder and I think that's what he did it in such a public way to be like I'm, not full of shit. What I will do this again and you let me out of here I'll, kill,
everybody does not mean that this guy I mean, if I can compare crawled, Panzer him to a character in fiction and give you ve read the comp preacher compounds rooms. The saint of killers disguise a fuckin months
we are in a mental in blood. No, I don't want to say it's not it's cool you, nothing goin
me. No, these yes, but coral. He asked
had a surprisingly hard time, making it to the hangman's news, but not for lack of trying and Carl's plan was to act as his own attorney plead, not guilty to ensure the harshest punishment and essentially demand death during his defence, but the feds refused curls request act as
AN and the lawyer. They did assigned him one to plead insanity,
I was the only way he could find out of it and call smart Ass ways seemed only confirm the whole insanity defence like when he wrote his last willing testament. He left his corpse to a dog catcher in EAST, Graham Forks, Minnesota and bequeathed to men
pine, an unspecified curse, Lhasa, says everything that he was doing, because he was it because we were like. Oh, he wants to die. He must be crazy. I love it.
Unspecified charges that use I just because a to mankind, a curse. Look at that at all some honestly man, this cell armies
ago, loans are just about to die. He's gonna, take everybody Whitman right, I'm fuckin, supermodel obituary, just bug it may a prince darkness were been Carl
Trot was delayed even further due to a riot at Leavenworth and which prisoners came up with
our plan in which they would strip naked Black in their faces and bodies for camouflage capture. The warden kill, em cut up his body and fry it in the well.
Would have been a great defence against predator tomorrow. It only wants anything rather than they had now would have been awesome. Could there, but you guys, are probably look like the team from predator yeah in those jail. Maybe they
got as far as the naked and blackened part, though as
the timely as the wars do part. No, their fondness. Airports are dying. We know everyone's kind of uncomfortable and giggling. A little low levels are being naughty really noted by the time they were done with all that business. The warden was well out of reach and there I was eventually quelled killed guards it can you see me, did you see me yeah? I can see you just there are covered in what is it all men? Did you cover you
up and shit. That's all there is the only black thing I could buy. I haven't been eating well see that by black shit means that I'm bleeding internally maya- you don't say, lobbying arrive, but girls biggest obstacle was the fact that capital punishment was at that
I'm a legal in Kansas where Leavenworth was located. However, since the prince,
was on federal land. The murder was a federal case of the death penalty. Was on the table. You s sake, glad you say who at present, but that didn't stop local death penalty opponents from common across aid. Very much against his will call found out that advocates are trying to get his death sentence overturned. Carl wrote them an extensive point by
letter on why he should be allowed to die and why they should leave the whole business alone and, in conclusion, to this letter contained some of Carl's best snow minds, really
these lies. That was really all I knew about. Crawl pans ran before we started this series. This is him riding to his heir.
Kids concerning their attempts to save his life. Oh dear, look we gotta with that deal young car, pan tram. He sent us a letter. I bet he wanted to say. Thank you.
So very Manuel Open and cried out with a lot of great ride. I believe what I know you will be very think, but where do we, the Lord's work? Gregg? The only thing
you or your kind will ever get from me for your efforts on my behalf is that I would
you all had one neck and that I had my
on it. I would sure put you out of your misery just the same as I have done with numbers of other people, I have no desire what
to reform myself? My desire is to reform people who try to reform me. I believe
but the only way to reform people is to kill. That's my trademark, I'm trade, Working
My mother was rob him all right from all kill them all
I am very truly yours, copper, John to Carl Tens Ray. I am. I tell you what Cark I'm kind of wet- and I don't know- I think it's a joke at different rates
Then we have and so called answer, I'm finally got his wish. It was sentenced to death by hanging, but in
any move, considering how much effort he put in a b and hang pans room attempted suicide. Two weeks before his execution day. What a great last way to say: fuck you to everybody honestly, it would have been. I d give you basically begged and begged and begged by, like I did it
or you could do in the first, he ate a rotten played, a beans that he had hidden in his cell for weeks, gonna fuck, the other guy, did that college. Then he used a sharp and button to sever a particularly vulnerable leg artery, but he was found had his stomach pump and was patched up little known fact, campaign button for tat
the bigger, but look like a little more about not respond in this old thing. Probably was a big fuck you, but the interesting thing to note about this is that the attempt came exists,
one year after the murder of Robert Worthy,
going to say. The six pigs, but whenever
he's in call wooden. Try again the night before his execution pans, Rams Block Mate Robert Shroud, the infamous bird man of Alcatraz. What are they
that gives you raise birds, areas, canaries, intervene. Ferries are
it didn t discover like a lot about like canaries, their mating habits like diseases and things like that yet jail time relationship with the bird expert that they sort of they were pen, pals back and forth, and eight both help vigorous
weird thing with canaries and then they got married. Siberian just
nor for him to stay his execution, because you
jail essentially for killing. Somebody in on the inside Robert Right, he was Stroud, was got a life sentence because he killed a guard that fucked up visitation rights for his brother like basically got booked on some citations. You could see his brother, so you just stuck there.
Raising bird. Oh, I see in Stroud, as I mean he's one of the most famous prisoners of
american history, and he was the one that said that call pans rounds. Whole story was bullshit, but really Stroud hardly knew pans ram. They
downward they were in the same solitary confinement cell block together, but Stroud was just
he was just trying to pad his book. A loner looking outward was his book and I actually it's pretty cool. I read a little bit of it. It's a lot of money, but what Robert Stroud said is that the night before his execution,
across the whole night sing a song and the song was of corals, own composition and in surrounds words. Its principal theme was o
my round. I I would ever gave him back. Oh how I loved my room and I try to take a bath. Try to lodge let your system down legend. He had a very new metal, singing boy, you're right away and the next day Carl was taken to the gallows so eager.
Die that he was half dragon his escorts behind them. When asked. If he had any last words Carl said: yes hurry it up, you who's your bastard. I could hang it does it.
While you are around and so on September, whoever your thoughts
Bunny Ultima Hoosier, this is just a visitor juvenile sort of up a pleasant slur ready for all the things he could call them, and also, I just makes me think, a gene enactment, yeah exactly hooters what a great Indiana team they were, and so on December pairs
one thousand eight hundred and thirty, the Spirit of hatred and vengeance with hang from the neck until dead, and it would be another forty years before the world would know the full story of Carl Panzram
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