On the conclusion to our series on Oklahoma City, we cover the final ramp-up to the bombing, the mystery of John Doe #2, and the 24 witnesses who saw someone with Timothy McVeigh on the morning of April 19th, 1995.
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There's no way to escape tourism is the last time on eleven cannibalism started
guys, plus we talk a lot of smack. Think what s important before we start. Today's episode, each named one thing that we live in and cherish about white culture that no choose out there. What are you loved? What he's celebrate? Celebrates white people, elaborate collages, the oddest fidget spinners. I dont know what I want. I have no idea. Comecon gets all rightly some positive any bet I just never being arrested for crime and always being president right as the last five years of the left. I bet gives up its markets parks and I dont think I introduced as last I've as a better. For I mean I bet you didn't. I don't think you did know we're sitting here, we're
my Blas Angels Apartment, it's hot my feet or up. I can smell my own balls as and where a number and like Jim shorts, because too hot near three inches away from you. It's a really great experience right. Well, let's get out of here. We got Oklahoma City part for a lot more to get too in the timid
Mcveigh saga. So in September
of nineteen. Eighty four President Bill Clinton approved the ten year assault rifle Ban and with that, the gathering of the explosives and components needed for the April nineteenth bombing truly began
oh and conspiratorial thought, let's take a little break from rationality. First second, I mean on his guys.
We're always irrational is logical. That's that's exactly how I describe you know who that maybe the conspiratorial are being like. Basically, they make a gun ban and that's what allows them to send in covert agents into the different white nationalist groups in order to spur revolutionary attitude physically decree the legislature and then create the backbone of setting in she know if you have any idea what it takes to pass a fucking build. No, I never was allows rock aren't. You could explain to us how big is ridiculous, though it got sorted, totally blown out of proportion, authority bill was kind of wrapped up into this. They weren't going after weapons are already souls assault rifles that we're going to people's homes and taken up there were just putting a halt on the sale of a solar. I think you know what we got enough assault by. So many you guys can sell us all rifles, each other, that's totally go! You can do that whenever and wherever you want we're just not going to make any more. But if I was president out also put a ten year ban on pornography or good, we have enough money throng with we have so much you talking about this town, LOS Angeles line, I'm sorry evermore. California, it's off the gang Bank video this morning that I ve never seen before, and it made me how congrats when this is. This is it that was an immediate democracy. They offer the town hall. I have now changed my position that there is a very interesting connection to Ella HIM city concerning September of nineteen. Eighty four, the same month that the assault rifle Barrel signed the only two
recorded instances of Mcveigh being near Ella. Him said he was a ticket in the fall of nineteen on three, not too long after Mcveigh met Strasse Meyer and a night Mcveigh spent in a motel just over the Arkansas state lying near Ella him city on September, twelve nineteen money for the day before the assault Rifle Ban was signed into law. Can you imagine, being the poor boy, woman, the or Amanda works at that hotel? It has to clean up the room after Timothy Mcveigh. Everything a time is having to deal with all the different care clippings from your happiness, Prescott type a fairly. Do they actually go unlike untouched the sheets a little better like this must be a sociopath. I shall answer so too. I think he's the kind of guy that each the soap thinking in October of nineteen eighty four Mcveigh took over a storage, locker and Harrington Kansas, which tears
Nicholas had planned to use to store furniture and Mcveigh started.
Loading it up with all the material needed for the bomb now term. I definitely you know I give you an inch and it
my own, but it comes down to it. We are making to put these. Do bays piles isles that debates I have I have little of a chair. I forget what it's called delays on. Lay down its you look impressive impressively bored. I have one of those chairs a shave lounge. I like that. You know what, if we fill it with a moment, ammonium nitrate. Instead, whenever you want sir my boss now I would love to see that they storage lacquer opened on storage wars. What do we got there? All the makings of a body close at the store,
because of the shed so the nuts
old materials, Mcveigh and Terry acquired from a quarry robbery. The fuel
Came from racing tracks and hobby stores who both sold Nightrobe methane for different reasons, school or not,
not to make homemade bombs interested now raising tracks, hold it for nitrates and hobby store, sold it for model airplanes, make it home, make and model airplanes. They say there is a hidden demographic of sniffer and offers them all in the model airplane business, so the ammonium nitrate was purchased in eight different locations with Mcveigh and nickel, stopping off at every feed store they could find to eventually amass bore thousand pounds of stuff after the two it spent.
Months. Gathering up all this material, nickel started getting a little suspicious about the whole stockpiling explosives thanks, as he said, he thought at this point that the whole things just kind of a lark is honestly. It started with his obsession with pop rocks and I've got a point. As I don't remember quota, it hurts my gums. I don't like giving them, but he loved did you start with pop rocks and then immediately he killed a dog or the hand grenade. What do you think Terry Nicholas's try to wash his hands while this right added us? Otherwise go it yeah heat? He knew what was going on, but Nicholls was. It was too thinks he was a coward of core yes and he was also very good at denial, but they are also very private. Yet all of these guys are very much so that weird sovereign citizen thing of like you know like don't don't don't remember anything about me right. Almost now win Nicholls, confronted Mick
Tim came clean about the plan and when Nicholls so
You wouldn't have any part of it. Nickel said that Mcveigh
his jacket back and showed him the forty five and shoulder holster Nicholson, Mcveigh told him that if he did
go through with it. Mcveigh would kill his son, his brother and his mother. This nickel said
was his main motivation for helping to all the way to the end. I don't know about that ways. Is that a threat or a promise? I am I to kill somebody. Does it made me sad thing just flippant and build a cure, their home address perfect. Thank you. In order
pay for the whole bombing operation. Mcveigh said Nicholls was gonna have to procure the money by robbing Mick.
His old friend from the gun Circuit, Roger more whom Mcveigh refer to as Bob from Arkansas.
Because Bob Miller was the name that Roger more would use.
Gunshots, because a lot of had these guns show guys they didn't use their real names, their citizens trust each. It's like a robber Deniro. You know him in a movie and you have to like you some kind of talk about him. I've like on the siphoning BT atropine interview, you called Bobby Young
So they're gonna rob their Fred they're gonna robs there right now. The motivations here, your actually little unclear Mcveigh, said that he learned right
security system while he was there visiting and that Roger deserved it, because he was a plastic patriot.
Who would turn is stockpile over to the FBI without a fight? Now it is very possible that Roger knew the whole thing was coming and that the robbery was set up in order to conceal where the funding was coming from for the bombing, a kind of like backwoods money laundering
about what kind of like him putting basically get
Hotel room next to elevate city, so he can go stay there without
being any sort of trail leading over there could be organs. They all look here. I was actually staying in a hotel and I do love her when you know when you know the person robbing you we're just like Terry. What do you do it? The gun down with no was the support of operation. Clean sweep knows just gave up his guns. No, he didn't give up. His guns. Mcveigh said that if Roger
Had his property raided the neurons?
more would just give up his guns without a fight with you. He said he was a speculative. They had. They saw my lady at home, yet he was exactly. He was opposed because Mcveigh thought that if you had a bunch of guns and the government stormed your property than you needed to fight to the death camorra those guide, yet the idea- that's a real patriot, stupidly, die while the reason why some people think that, Roger more
was for warned about. It was even in on this robbery because four months afterwards Mcveigh more exchange a series of bizarre cryptic letters, even though
it was obvious that Mcveigh was behind the whole thing and more made sure to say that Timothy Mcveigh was behind the robbery loudly and just to steal my gold. As you know, we get this money on and go. Oh god, no, he did, but he stole a bunch of gold, a bunch of silver and a lot of precious jewel cronies. Thirty zero daily enter the goonies. These kids think that light just emeralds and rubies, or are likely to be not beaches, its difficulties
that snickers be a dollar twenty five. I only have pirates money, sapphire
Barbara one of those cryptic letters more wrote to Mcveigh nine days before the bombing more wrote
It is to bring the country down and have a few more things happened. The important
is to make it as effective as possible
a more signed the letter Bob and wrote burn in upper case letters next to his signature and when the F b I questioned, Bore, he's
the key was just trying to lure Mcveigh to his ranch. Some vague could be around,
did for the rob could have held always were a bunch of Euro sir well bring your raccoon.
The net w that your starts with work,
so now its rice is, however, there are you familiar sitting you ride for purple alone. Bureau president, you cannot spoke a word yet it has been a long weak stuck in traffic and the eldest son does take. Your brain cells are absolutely does monotonously TIM when you do come into tampering iraqi, not because it is aimed at night and my whole fuckin compound is infested and I'm not doing cute racist record. I mean real dogs,
gotten raccoon buffalo in here and as for the effective as possible line more said
He's gotta, remember what he meant by that their goods, as are the f B. I came ass, so it can. So what did you mean by this line? It must be as effective as possible use like you know, I just don't want
ass. I was talking about minoxidil their world in a shitty, given answers. That was the f b. I totally believed it.
Set him free without any. Follow up now could be that more who had much more experienced
explosives than either Mcveigh or Nicholls had more to do with the plot that anyone is let none except Terry, Nicholls now
I was told investigators fairly recently that a pack of the explosive component can kinematics could be found on his property with Bob Moors fingerprints on the
b. I did find the kinematics, but they didn't test them for fingerprints for another three years and after those three years the prints were deemed unreadable. More also claim to be.
Protected government witness at one point, but on the other hand, a lot of these guys claim to be protected government which causes a phone idea, yeah sure. Yes, we're all Marser that same thing, but we
That is how the F b I get these people. They flip em and enforce them to read on other means worthy hospital. Honestly, they probably were fishing. We're probably asking them see what he knew tv be willing a flap, and he black know nobody secretly. Blooming Zika was actually oddly plausible to think that these different government aid
these who weren't talking each other at all had so many protected government
This is out there that these guys
Yes, yes ending each other and carrying the shit out. In fact, one eighty of agent told a story about how the eighteenth and the FBI we're supposed to get together to share information about allocating Ella Heem City, the court,
the agent. The two agencies met in a conference. Room had small talk,
and left without mentioning Ella came city wants all because each agency didn't trust the other one, and if there was a big bus to be had at Ilium City that specific agency, one at that,
We therefore thank you so much for having us over F B. I couldn't help but notice in this conference room you have so many squeaky chairs
nice to see you see, I meant
cheers chairs are squeaky would be a shame if someone came in here and oiled. Some of these
squeaky chairs used?
This could use some oil because the squeak and I'm here and damn near unacceptable man is a heck of a meeting as this
it's got a phone kind of fun. Can you feel that we are like some tension? Are you please Genesis? Yes,
Yes, I got it from when I was a child, my game. You know this sort of it
apartment rivalry was the exact same behaviour that lead to nine eleven just six years later, when the CIA and the FBI weren't talking to each other, nothing was lurk from Oklahoma City by these people, and thousands of people died.
President. Do you ever think of the paperwork? They'll Marcus, honestly? How much paperwork that think so much the avoided? They save the trees. I love that the CIA. The FBI were like that comic strip. The lock horns just now along its really funny in the strip than a reality, at least to domestic terrorism. After the raw.
It was done. Nicholls decided. The heat was getting a little too high, so he fucked off to the Philippines with mere favour a couple of months, even though Nicholls was terrified that
face ex boyfriend, Joe Joe
actually to Florida was gonna, come call it better and use the money by schemes are right, but by as I hope I don't need, bottleneck, put them money ways: mice. We re money out of love to see that fight again, just slap them with sashes throne for bilateral dispute. My wife, let your fuck my why women may realise that Nicholls had left the country he turned to
forty eight help. Oh my god, my basement Michael, do we not have Georgiou annually global arena. Timothy Mcveigh turn to Michael Forty, eight Jesus Christ- Georgia is my favorite name ever gets Joe do in Toledo, Florida the suggested a lot of fun Mcveigh once he hook back up with
forty eight! He laid out the entire bombing play for the forty eight family,
going so far as to show forty years why, how he play
the position. The barrels in the truck usin fifteen
hands a soup as a visual way. I'll tell me tell me now all these can't gonna actually be filled with sue, no, no mommy, ammonia and in a moment ammonium nitrate. So you can't even say the name. I myself also take these build. None unthinking wages, use soup and we slowly kill em what sort of a world biggest super,
December of ninety ninety four Mcveigh and for you went to the Alfred P Mirror
in that case, the joint Mcveigh, despite his many protest to the opposite?
was seen inside the mirror building that day, and not only that Mcveigh actually talk to one of the women who worked at the day care
specifically about the day care sinner. What its neighbour
Mcveigh, said that he had to young kids and was by moving the area. He has no questions about
the day care operations themselves and was only interested in the lay out where the entrances were where the exits were, and he was very interested in the plate. Glass windows. Next to the
nap area. If someone that looks like Timothy we base as they have to young kids, go five.
The return them to their parents. According to the woman, he talked to Mcveigh, kept repeating
just so much glass over and over and over again can I just ask a kind of contingency an infant. Could I just want to feel how soft that is. Creepy questioned him.
Is it yes, sire I mean I obviously have to get to my own. So I know I went off, the name is written: what's the name of your children ram jam and day?
care, as this woman was talking to Timothy Mcveigh. Her fiance showed up
so Mcveigh hid behind a corner and ran away through the back
there's also witnessed it put strong Meyer there with on that day on that day, that stress my air was around and again the way you can tell them that fucking stress my rose errors that they said there was a buck teeth. Man with a german accent, and it's very difficult amiss, really give your fuckin.
You're an age. It is right to hide a verb. Try to hide your. I didn't even people, you were Bandanna Yahoo, you change your teeth or you really
pretend to have another accident, I do it all just it it just
like a stupid, Quinton, Terran Tino move, so we had the German. Was the AIDS definitely closer to bottle rocket than pulp fiction? Yes, that's true! So the German was there. Forty eight was there and they all three of the Erika. I mean we do and we don't know for sure if software was there, but we definitely no Mcveigh and forty eight, where there
The only reason why this day care sinner encounter wasn't introduced into trial was because that witness confused that
didn't with another incident with a weirdo that happened in March when it, the FBI, New Mcveigh, was in Arizona, but this visit coincided completely with
Michael Forty, eight testimony that they were in
we're home city in December of nineteen. Ninety four and this woman gave this statement prior to that being public knowledge. Ninety ninety four
where is also when a couple of characters name?
Dennis, May Han Carol how walk on
El Heem City, Oklahoma, city state. Finally, there there this is their star moment, but it just gets dumber Andrew,
Strasbourg was friends with the white supremacist named Dennis May Hahn, who is considered
be so dangerous by the UK and Canada that they bought him from entering their countries on the grounds that he was an international terrorist. Honestly, he just did not like the Toronto wrapped around you behind is a fool
more imperial dragon of the k, K, K and is also the leader of the white area in resistance, a k, a war
in tools which is around still get definite cell around. He is also on.
I'm saying that one day there will be a one hundred foot tall statue of Timothy Mcveigh, celebrated patriot.
A one hundred foot statue wow a John Mylar Son of Robert MILAN in the current patriarch of elitism city, considers dismay Han to be
ran, ah, no
Here a little from GMO are about his thoughts on people liked in dismay, Han and their beliefs.
I would say at all, will eyes why being racial list,
makes you a hidell.
People today there are ways auto horses and though very
peculiar with each quarter horse and how they, you know, breed them in order to get a show horse or with
an old bulldogs, all promo, any anxiety, other animal like that, so an orator
you, know, saved the integrity of each
spaces. It's important that they stay within their own group and that's the way.
We feel what we feel the scripture teaches like that:
description of leading to a well. I don't want him alive people with with interested voices. You buy an absolutely. I like his fucking ass he's, got a shitty voices idea. I've never heard the term racial list before lays you don't know you never to term way. So with always with the Miller win
to say that an article about Ella, Heem City about Dennis me,
No, I don't know what he's doin in his life s theme
Good easy mean me,
green withal movies boards know them nor by joint, but I do agree
with some of his thoughts sounds like someone who is just constantly getting his gums numbed by adapting miserable are what thoughts do you agree on our domino like an eel jade? I know we all agree that the waste is you'll, be simple, waded in always queens who be simple. We need I hate. The mix are always Queen detour quitting the renewal together just issue: emo heat is whew out of the best Congo's there is.
Girlfriend was a woman named Carol how those two met when how called me,
HANS Dial, a racist hotline after she had what sounded like a minor confrontation with some black dude that, apart dial a racist ILO raises the number of over I'm not
Let us say: please: it was. It was a phone number. The people could call to report in
in swiss races,
there than white people back arises,
Carol. How was a Tulsa debutante, whose brand of rebellion was joined in a white supremacist group in getting a big black swastika tattooed on her back? She started dating the harm, but when she tried to leave, he raped her. She filed charges, which is when the FBI looking
for an informant infiltrate right wing. Extremist groups recruited it's the best way to get a fucking itself
an informant ex girlfriend
yeah, oh sure. She reconnected with my Han and late nineteen. Ninety four and started reporting back, which she was seen in hearing apparently Mohammed,
was spending his time. Detonating homemade hand, grenades and was planning to blow up a mexican own video store, but
eighty sat on looking out, there's gotta max gonna, write honour. The video video is now visit. I also read you some guy mexican talking to get near the Mexicans dancer, but joy celebration. Drinking beers have been relaxed in celebrating work and hard surrounded supporting their families. I hate them the everyday rises, but a jacket and women Hon brag about setting up a five hundred pound ammonium nitrate bomb in Michigan. The eighteenth still did nothing. How is just supposed to keep tabs on
but when she eventually made her way to allocate city, she found strong, Mars boot Camp and was told by the FBI
refocus on Strasbourg, goofy or not. Honestly, as a video of Dennis mind when he was going through here,
doing training at the sea essay and showed him firing various guns, and then he was sure he had a Dillinger and he
struggling to put it on top of his head and
real with his hat, but he's trying to show that we can have a gun under his hat and he would it with slight and back of words. Is that go and you can try to take off the hat and reveal the donor at the same time of looks like Fucker
early worldly goods brilliant December. Ninety,
for the same month. That Mcveigh and forty eight went to case the mere a building. How filed a report,
strong mire, was planning to take action with assassinations, mass shootings and bombings that same
month. Robert MILAN instructed his troops and fiery sermon to finally take action. How was also told that something was being planned for April
but she wasn't far enough into the inner circle to find out what exactly. In other words, the government had
a way, more reason to rate Ella HIM city than they had to rate Waco Mohan had hand grenades logic.
Blowguns, using ammonium nitrate and violet rhetoric, whilst rossmore, who wasn't illegal aliens, could have been arrested at any time, was arming and training a combat forks, and I heard he has guns under his hat. You don't know what I gotta my shoe guns
it's for the automatic, but because the idea
FBI, we're were still reeling from the bad press of Waco. They require
Carol, how declaring her an unreliable witness and just hoped that everything was going to work,
itself, and that is what I want out of my government agencies hope on as Carol how're self was. I was very unreliable, I would say, of course you would, if it lady was contradictory, but a lot of information was corroboree because she kept going back and forth Fuckin Mohammed, not because they got back together the mortar when she came back an informant. She wasn't like around the area and hang out and watch everything still in his vicinity, but she he got her back when they become began to do
again she went off the radar and then when they broke up again, she came back. I started talking to the FBI near maybe not the most trustworthy person, but she did have a fair amount of information. Her
formation about these people was being corroborated by shit. They already knew about these people in the eighteenth director at the time John Magog sit in two thousand and that the only reason why they didn't go in L, a hymn city was because the eighty I've had been properly retrained after Waco in they were ready for a proper food.
Scale. Assault in Magua also acknowledge in two thousand ten that the disease
to now go into our city might have caused the atm there, one slim chance to prevent Oklahoma City, but it must also be said
How never gave information about April nineteen nineteen, ninety five specifically and tell the bombing had already
but also ago, these groups learn from
We go as well and learn how to cover their tracks a little bit more and I think that's a part of it to the guys that are really in charge that I've always believe this kind of a trickle down of intelligence and these groups for their eyes are in charge
rattling, MILAN Ellison, Bayer
Actually, very smart as the
as the ranks girl were lower people get dumber indulge in the context of white supremacist, yes, and so what I think that they did. They understand that what you do is you hire dummies. They don't know,
they're doing that you can pull off. What's a Patsy, many Patsy's everywhere, you also have no fucking. No proof! No written brief. Note paper trail sooner
and so they did that they did that very well. You will be very difficult for them to actually pulled together the legal case to get the warrant to go into aloe him city and then one
they do it. How do you prosecute them if they hide all their fuckin weapon? Thirteen illegal German with guns under his hat
I therefore believe everything you get that guy and then you got that guy. What that guy, how he gave you flip wickedest. If well I mean that argument right. There we're gonna get into later on in the episode, because that is the exact same argument that the government used to not go after all
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sexy I don't know I was in the context of Timothy Mcveigh in Oklahoma City. I am ready to get sexy. Like now fancy I had a dream last night
rose. Mcgowan was my dream. I was eat them, bagel new
I woke up believing maiming hard. Was it the baggage arose? Mcgowan? They got you around. I don't know I'm ready for it
ok so in February
DE ninety, five Timothy Mcveigh was picked up as he was walking across the bridge.
Near Bullhead Arizona by a man in a Ford Mustang while away? I don't want to think about what is about to happen. Mcveigh offered the guy five bots to give me a ride. The king, the guy
named Richard Roger Sticky, Roger. He said he wouldn't take a dime, but he would be interest.
In a little fuckin. As I have been at a casino all night. It was feeling quote a little
with somewhere about you gotta that slot machine he pulled out
Paul and I love the cat and the top in them. Berries go women or women. Women face to face
This guy, without a doubt, had the ass gas or grassed burst at her with a Kelvin and Hobbs pissing Dynamic like afford logo or something
anything was Roger said. He immediately recognized Mcveigh from another roadside encounter he'd had the year before. Aren't you, the centerfold, the July Centerfold of brush cut motley, I'm flattered, remembered favorite things talk about Waco, oh my god, suckin deck of the first time, Rogers
picked up little Timothy Mcveigh Timothy took his dick out and
Rogers. If you wanted the party which is slang for homosexual SEC. Thank you aren't as they allow. So that's release. Facebook invites or about interest Roger said no, the first time, but yes, the second and the two ended up in Rogers trailer.
Outside Kinmen when the trailers, Iraq and do come a knock and because I am fighting a snake
but the only thing that makes me think this story is true. Is that Rogers
as soon as they got into the trailer Mcveigh immediately just started talking about wake. I know, that's that's a total boner killer. He always does this not for when you're on the far right theatre so, but when they finally got down the business Roger said Mc Vase, throat and tongue action was cool,
It's incredible wrote tongue action on Europe would have
five stars. If he had made me up
Help is about yelling. I understand that I'd. Never what to think about this ever a big was Roger said that neither one of them wreaked climax that night, because they were just both too tired. I would want
I don't understand. You would goes
Farmers, to pay another weird militant man to have sex with you on this little is ray. You viciously refused payment Henry. He realized babies, he's not a plastic patriot. You dont monetize love in the morning, Rogers made Mcbay bacon and eggs Mcbay left and the two
ever had another experience aside from a couple of awkward run, ends at the grocery: oh hey, how sorry ones, I'm sorry I'm just trying to get around to reassure the cucumbers hate him
squeaky, we'll details, I guess you're, really you some lubricant.
Man sail on pretzel. You can like a bunch of legs all wrapped around each other, in a trailer, deep, deep, deep in the users
anyway, anyway, readers died. You tell me about it
too long after that Mcveigh forged a driver's licence at the forty eight house using the Alias Robert cling. So you can read the writer truck he would events
use for the bombing in Oklahoma City on April nineteenth Mcveigh,
those cling, partly because he knew a soldier named claying who kind of look like him, but mostly because
playing with short for cling on, because fuel remember Mcveigh was a massive fucking was discovered. Cling onto warrior. I understand war is worth. Was the jar warrior top casual homosexual war? This is what we need. Football players in every community would just bully Timothy Mcveigh, air profit, Mcveigh,
called elegant city for just under two minutes, which we know for a fact because big they used a calling card for all
his long distance calls we actually know quite a bit about the places that MC vague
called in the months leading up to the bank? Has yet to calling card use? One of those cards were you you pay it and then you can use it at various pay. Phones, that's how they basically paying him everywhere. He goes. We know that he was probably at heirloom setting. We know the fact that the of the all of you
concepts: deity of bombing of federal building, especially Oklahoma City, specifically them are building, haven't floating around our aims in him and he definitely had contact distrust mire. They probably case them or building together. Do you think they kissed?
I don't know I don't think stress. My irish typee need something more growth. I guess Mcveigh called Ellie HIM city Molars daughter in law was the one who answered and she told the FBI. Mcveigh was looking for strong mire. Mcveigh told her that use
can a visiting soon and molars daughter in law, so that any friend Andy's was a friend Ella Heem. Setting isn't that nice did
that's it? I'm African American, never mind the reason why this call with significant was because it was made directly after Mcveigh called a rental spot in have assumed city near Kinmen enquiring about a writer truck it gets even
more interesting when you take into account another call that was made from Mcveigh to elevate city right after Mcveigh secured the writer truck Rental Injunction City Kansas. Now it could be that Mcveigh was calling Strasbourg to update him on the progress of their mission. If straight
Myra was indeed involved or could be them in vain. We just looking for a place to hide out after the bombing. However, Mcveigh did once till one of his defence lawyers that Ella HIM city was quote pretty fuckin hard core in the who and stress my our workload brothers in arms, literally in each others.
So a few days after that second called Mcveigh,
was seen at a Strip Club and Tulsa called Lady Godiva, as which only has three stars on yeah. She died by fuckin oars, really know. Lady Godiva, Milady Godiva wrote a horse naked and you're thinking of,
Catherine, the great urban legend that she died
fuckin a horrid lawyers is very serious about this. I don't know I don't know who quite rightly nosey. May I dont know already thirty. I hardly Godiva had intercourse with all see then led to her inevitable that I make truth happen and of other thing about. Lady Godiva, though, is that they have a daily lunch special fund on Fridays. You can get a reality from just five bucks. You doesn't want a beacon, lettuce and tomato sandwich from Strip clues Asia case it. It's a hasty my ear
go or weird names girl down. So now you see your air, be eighty, I'm just here for that luggage hell. You know, lack Christie, leaps candidate, livelier, stiffly baking. That makes me ok, let's go
you're crazy. I don't open. Have these loaf of bread using gas mask the ok? I just gotta be Elsie. Now get declared Green
finding man about your taste. Eighty two million same thing. Let me show you why they call me
the person I mean, I'm sayin, I panties and you see how no member Jean builds he's gonna healthy. Alternatively, hamburger slap, botanical, Habitat Egypt dragging yet is now get my squatting, I really afraid, and making our oil my age tentacles gave no Barnett Ma. Lakes is actually
really good sandwich. Thank you. Hit him
we get us stripper working that night specifically remember Nick Bay being there with an annoying but tooth german
I'm sure you thinkin ban, but it does not address this to me. I'm you say they do. You know they seem to have to allow time strippers have short term memory, so yeah, it's odd that is stripper, would remember one customer out of the no doubt dozens that they had over the month of April nineteen to their size for seven and read for red haired and just out out or no they stay. I think they want to forget most of the customers. They say I think so, but here's audio
strippers dressing room captured the night that Timothy Mcveigh was there and I think we should say sex worker thereof.
Second, no sex workers, I am to all their exotic organisers. Strippers Bernard,
worker given jerking off always say when they were jerkin dudes off in the back room, then we would say stress: ok, right, another! Just exotic dancers! Fancy
might be sex workers, airstrip books, I dont know if Lady Godiva Godiva Vision for us it is a Tulsa Oklahoma forever. Editor of yeah over that you know it also entails Oklahoma bought at the bottom up club. What else is there not a measure of polish people park their bikes, they say when most people are d die there bored with their ass. The stick it out again
a year is a clap that this is the audio from the video surveillance bodies that was in the strippers dressing room,
you remember. Every night
never made shit
What did she say there? She said
you're gonna, remembering because Mcveigh sat down, let Mcveigh was getting a lap dance and he told her. I m really smart guy.
And she, and then he went further saying on April nineteen nineteen. Ninety five you're gonna, remember me for the rest of your life. Interesting. Not only our troops are the front lines: american intelligence. You can get so much information and of a man of your dance and honest hard peanuts. I guess I what are ya absolutely while, along with Mcveigh in Strasbourg, was an olive skinned, dark complexion, man
who bore a strong resemblance to John DOE number two, who will now finally make his appearance gotta, be waiting for three episodes. Talk about John DOE, never to come from a long line of John Doze. Father was John DOE number one. So in April seventeen nineteen eighty five Timothy Mcveigh went to Junction City Kansas check
into the dreamland motel and travelled over to Elliot's body shop, where he rented the writer truck. He used in the bombing now, as we said in episode, one when the actual
from the writer truck was found in downtown Oklahoma City. After the bombing was traced to Elliot's body shop, injunction City, Kansas and a sketch was done of Mcveigh, but according to the witnesses who described Mcveigh, he was not alone a second sketch
done of a man still known to this day, only as John DOE number to all three witnesses who saw Mcveigh that they all agree than they were
not alone, and they all agreed on the basic physical characteristics of J D to, namely that he was short stocky and dark skinned.
A sketch of John DOE number. Two that we know is actually all wrong. Nobody really knows quite how that sketch got to be the sketch of record, but the people who described J D to have said a multiple occasions,
but that's not the guy. They saw. In fact, no one has ever really recognize the guy in that sketch, but when a second sketch of John DOE number two is done, more and more people started saying that they'd seen the man with the olive skin with Mcveigh particularly
the morning at the bombing itself, a property owner in Missouri said Matvey, nickels and J D to showed up a couple of months before the bombing enquiring about a property with a cave, possibly a place where big vacant hide out.
After the bombing an interesting you wanted to be a cave dweller. I guess it's a good place to hide out the property owner describe Mcveigh with own canny detail right down to a discoloured, I tooth on the upper right side of his mouth and a filling Mcveigh had showing through his enamel
I see well connected smells, yet it seems like way and tat information to help in this guy. He actually there will be investigated. This was when the defence attorneys we're going around it. Make based events attorneys we're going around trying to find out if there was any one else involved as they found this guy
guy heads I mean he had a photographic memory, he described the I too. He described the feeling and then the defence
The attorney went back to Mcveigh and got him to smile and women face smiled. He saw tat, he had the discord I tooth and
animal feed I could wish. We could only do they just bring a bunch of construction workers into the into the quorum. Is black smile was just my little. They are best. My magic watch intimidate me. They forced to smile agreed that we need the funny Joe. Could he made him land you? This money goes on. I do describing Marcus, I think about it. I'm! U like. He looks like a haunted man with monkey arms in a big but we'll that's it. I could have again bringing a mouthful of teeth like broken glass, the only for smiling, but I don't you don't normally smile
I'm not doing the show. Yes, you can force it gets. My like. I can force a very good smile J D to gave his name as Robert Jack's, although that proved to be an alias. However, the name
Jack's is found written in Marathon Nicholls Address Book in a number of different spelling. She
She was learning the language here, that's good! Now the FBI's exe
The nation of J D to was that the eye witnesses at the rider shop, all three confuse the day on which they saw gaiety,
the eighty. Two is actually a guy named tall bunting who had come in the day after I thought my grandfather change them from contact with a bunch of the Burundian family, but the eye witnesses maintain the men in the second sketch is the person who is with Timothy they on that day and taught bunting was a guy. They all actually knew. My grandfather felt that the name countering would not. Allow is twenty three industry to really take off their makes. Bunting is a much better name and interestingly, J D to shares quite a few similarities with Richard Guthrie.
A hour, a bank robber we discussed last,
Now is Richard Guthrie, possibly ah another year
who s government plant? However, trying to
force the bombing to happen from the inside. I'm not saying it's always shaped it, it's never sheep there. They don't do that. No, but now that we or is there is high on this young lady, I wouldn't really want that to have in Vietnam the Vietnam WAR there was. Several members are basically the continued the Vietnam WAR for about a year with, like a bunch of the CIA operatives, there were fighting a book
no identities fighting in Vietnam for a long time. This kind of fun
I do think when you mention those things which that actually might be accurate, you should have a Mcdonald's CUP and I will put change in it. So, in April, sixty the day before the rental leave,
the owner of the dream, land motel, were Mcveigh, state injunction city said she heard
is coming from a vase room. She also,
maintain that these men had access to the room independent of Mcveigh, who was dropping off the getaway car,
downtown Oklahoma City when Mcgown heard them speaking. Mcgown remit
but she heard in her words avail
buddy male voice that she recognized from an earlier phone calls
room? Twenty five were Mcveigh withstand it sounded like he would have really good. Throw in time has elapsed where those voices- and she wasn't the only one on April, fifteenth a Chinese
delivery boy named Jeff Davis.
Fear is very good that our sun, with this name, no one, will know that your chinese Jeff David said he brought food to the room and someone
the Mcveigh answer, the door that man was short, stocking, dark complexion and loved dumping.
Actually was Mugabe PAN like the unlikely, but it is a little slimy, though that's fine definitely
he cut many I tell I can tell
I've never seen you be disgusted by food before that's interesting. So on April, eighteen, the day before the bombing make vase
He met up with Terry Nicholls at the storage locker. They shared the two loaded up
all the bomb making materials they gathered and they drove it all out to Gary Lake State Park and care.
There, they allegedly mixed the material and wired up the whole operation ingested day supposedly,
by themselves after they were done with basic Nicholls headed home. On the vase slept with the bomb for the night,
he like total it. He sat in the key
given the bombs in the back, and then it will be said when he got up the next morning. He had a whole bunch of spaghetti and then went Oklahoma City. Every everybody who goes Oklahoma City is gonna bellyful, as gas will ye. He liked to eat memories
I was ready to eat everything or not. I am sick of these militiamen. They should be doing that. This is the waited to God. You ve got the like lived some weird soldiers, life who words is like just go in your home. Gorka burner get back just make us. I make peanut butter until its, I would put it back bring away. A spaghetti is gonna get though, but the stories with
This is an Oklahoma city on April nineteenth told about what
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heading of the writer truck on April nineteenth was at around eight a m. At least twenty four people saw the truck over the next hour with many of them reporting
was in a calm boy, with the yellow mercury market, a brown truck and a white Sudan
three witnesses said a man with a military cut, accompanied by a man with all of skin driving. A yellow writer truck, asked them for directions to the mirror. Building that morning, Danny Wilkerson, the guy who ran
convenience store down the street from the mere a building said. Mcveigh came in around eight forty, a m and bought to coax and pack marlboros. Even though Mcveigh was not a smoker Wilkerson,
but this encounter because of the writer truck parked outside. Maybe he did that because of bad boys. The film then, when he saw them lightness cigarette walking away from the explosion you to make em look real core. Did he buy it for our John DOE number? Two, that's what we're Saint yet as ever the ethical or save adventure exit the. I also thought learning, because a bad boys Godiva.
He had himself by or isn't that weird though, Wilkerson asked Mcveigh when he saw the writer track. If Mcbay was moving, then in the face he wasn't in women, women they walk out to the truck Wilkerson said he saw another guy waiting in the cap, none of the eyewitnesses nor the other nineteen people who saw Mcveigh either
with a group or with at least another guy that morning were called to trial, because the FBI determined that every single one of them
what mistake. Remember: we've been through this before with Columbine when they people so multiple shooters that were not just the two boys. Is it a thing that does happen there? Is it such a thing as think about imagining in piecing together a different way
How did it all the ice cream together? But the problem is that what you're looking
it's over several days showing that he is with multiple people. Why are you running the truck, whether he is
putting together the bomb. I feel that there is a a bunch of loose evident
they can show that he at least had a group supporting ITALY's have like a team around him. There we're going to
to get him to the getaway car that they weren't gonna. He was going to basically set off the explosive himself, one that seems very plausible to huge bomb, and yet we hear Nicholls could just do it alone. Well, Emmy! It's there
actually evidence. There was a guy who saw the
yellow writer truck at Gary Lake on that day, so we doing early yeah value to them together, Human Nicholls up together they were basically building the bomb yeah
they were a building the there, but we don't know if anybody gave them instructions or if Nicholls Mcveigh, we're were just putting the
it touches on the bottom there's a lot of unknowns here and it you know that it could be that all these witnesses they heard
Ports are John DOE number two and they concocted story in their head about seeing Mcveigh with a dark skin gentlemen that perhaps but the convoy of the Brown truck White Sudan and Yellow Marquis that wasn't reported at the time and multiple people told
FBI that they signed together in multiple people, saw this convoy struggling to get to their destination. Also, it was his yellow, Marquis right that was his. That was his car and we know that for a fact we know the oligarchy was escape. He is driving the writer truck.
Is driving that car examining rhyming arm, then it's a big obvious gross by
gloriously, yellow all fucked up a nineteen. Seventeen mercury murky is a gigantic fucking car get. It sticks out so somebody's helping whose behind the wheel and the people that
saw them trying to struggle to their destination. They saw those cars driving in and out of the underground parking garage below the Mirabelle cause. This is when he realized tat. He did not measure the goddamn parking garage entrance and he couldn't get a threat. Yet he couldn't get the writer. Iraq was too tall. He tried driving it in there. They had this whole big plan, and then they realise that the truck was just too high. They had, they had neglected
to do their due diligence on possibly the most important part of the entire, offering a little shy one job. Now the backup plan maybe was depart the truck in the alley between the federal Court house in the Post office building. We know this because an Oklahoma state Trooper saw the truck Poland to the alley in back,
out again when they saw it was blocked by? U S Marshall Service truck as Andrew Gumbo wrote in Oklahoma City. What the investigation missed one can,
imagine. These dipshit frantically trying to decide what the hell do when their great master plan failed.
It is. It is just a bunch of dances trying to pull this off, but, of course, we all know what they are doing. They parted in the handicapped, spot on the buildings north side, but witnesses saw both the monarchy and the brown truck on either side.
The writer truck. They also witnessed a woman with long blonde hair waving. The truck into position who very well could have
and a hour a bank robber PETE Langen Indra, has showed up in full in full constantly of using your addresses woman being a woman and you d
never saw that before you just shows up on the big day eight which do in
I'm. Finally me today day, Soggy goes right wing and handed over the main witness who was watching from the fourth floor of a near by building made. No of the
eighteen, seventy nine mercury Marquis because
guy had a mercury Marcie, just like it, and so
the actual it wasn't one of those things where human remembered later like. Oh, there was a mercury marquis there. He remembered looking down seeing a yellow mercury Marquis thinkin about day,
of your Holloway, like what I'm interested should car that I'm glad I own a fuckin mercury, Marquis anymore.
He also noticed like there was a writer tripe parked in the handicaps, but because that's pretty big dick move right, then there was Dana Bradley, the woman who,
to have her legs sought on at the knee after being trapped in the rubble. She said when she was walking into the building
She saw a guy with olive skin, wearing a jacket, get out of the truck and quickly walk away and yet another point
truck driver name Rodney Johnson,
DE. I love it as a great effort to greater had to swerve to miss to people who had walked out into the road from his right one. He identified as Mcveigh, the other he identified as a stocky man with all of skin wearing a jacket he said to the to his left was a brown truck to his right? Was the writer truck again? None of this stuff
made public. These people were not contaminated by media coverage. These sightings, we're all done into
handedly and none of them, aside from Dana Bradley, were made public until just a few years ago, when new documents were finally released, a lot
this did you actually come from news reports? These came from FBI files that we finally released in two thousand and ten know. What is the point of not releasing this information to the public earlier? It's just to make it a simple case. Yes, going over to close that gap, Timothy Mcveigh, right up, kill him and by the death penalty. So the cases over so there's closure, and also typically you are not feeding- did the far right.
There's a part of it to words. If they made it a big attack on the far right, they thought they were gone and sight more and more and which, in the end, is wrong. In the end, they just be bolstered them, and now they
candidly drive. You think they'll. It did take a lot of win.
Their sales, especially when it came up just how many kids that were murdered in the gallows work, and it did forget, but technically just me them go deeper, run around another another there and now they're electing people they regrouped. They
they absolutely group, they went logic yeah.
After lighting the fuse the group got into their respective, get away cars and sped away. But there is the question of the Marquis: if there was such a large group
Why was Mcveigh alone in a car that had no license plate and was sure to get pulled over whoa? There are a couple of possible explanations here. One Mcveigh might not have mentioned
the car for very long. If he was working with Langen and got three, he would have been planned by bank robber rules, Z alone,
times in a bank robbery is committed, the perpetrators use a drop carved, meaning they leave in one car driver to a second location where their rights,
we'll get away cars park and they leave the drop car behind the Marquis could have been just such a car.
He was probably making is money, robbing banks for a period of time with the eight hour age? So that's exactly the type of training that he's already gotten or to make they meant to be caught. He was the sacrificial lamp, the one who would spread their message to the world, the spot.
And when you compare Mcveigh to the rest of these assholes, he was
obvious choice, a pervert back. He was a clean up war hero. He was fairly well spoken, any had no criminal record whatsoever aside from a future
if it's so he's, look like you're a good american soldier. Look at the head of the Patriot move me up, and if anyone out of that group of decades could sound even have we reasonable, it would have been Mcveigh
All the rest and we're gonna put straw smile out front now and leave you
we can already surveys came already. Terry Nicholls got all the flag at best. He looks like Terry Nicholson
The main nerd from revenge or the nerve is possible military because, as he is a little bialy eyes, he's constantly nervous. You can't
put Langer Guthrie out there, their fuckin bank robber, GPS, Mohammed, is a big fat nightmare right, fucking, the MILAN Guy talks like Elmer five Mcveigh is the only one they have used, and I M Parsons just so yeah this bizarre world of local yokels. He is the dream both also those in terms of articulate he's been coached. Yet you know exactly what to say: he's been listened to these fuckin. It needs for so long
Milan, Ellison, weren't piping, literally the exact words what to say as soon as your Papa things the literature he had. Even then he was obsessed with Patrick Henry already and then, when you followed his dashboard he'd, an envelope of documents were filled with Patrick Henry various different
right writers, zoology they Q had is we'd like pieces statement ready to get these two statements. That's also a part of the drop car ferries that alot of people thought that Mcveigh was gonna, drive the car, leave it and then leave that little armful of of articles and what not for police to find a centrally taunting that, but also the thing is about Mcveigh that Mcveigh wanted this you can tell and every interview he gave that he loved every second of his notoriety when
everyone saw for the first time during that first per block. You do not see the face of a person, scared, shitless
like Nicholls was when he was arrested. You see the face of a stoic soldier who had done his
which shows you the unflappable and scary arm of
CS. I like the idea of silence on me, like we are here to start the revolution and with you know, if you ran other things to say, he could always charm people with a star trek knowledge and, with all of these different history, exempted he's gonna talk about that. Grownup restates the greatest wrote in tongue, but there is definitely
Marcie related evidence to suggest Mcveigh acted alone. Now, there's the note. The suggest the car was dropped days
earlier and the license plate that was missing was stature and storage. Locker, where Mcveigh a nickel store the explosives. But that's the big rub with us case, so I might have been grub with semi the gray and end a guy that duty, our ensured Roger Roger Roger, is the bigger up see. So much of this evidence can be interpreted either way. You can either interpret it as Mcveigh being an idiot or you can interpret it as Mcveigh setting himself up to be the lone wolf. Now we would
oh for sure, if there were more people involved in the bombing and especially if more people were in the truck with Mcveigh, had the security cameras on the North West,
and northeast corner corners of a mere building that working, but as a cost cutting measure. The cameras were hooked to nothing and hadn't been
functional for ten years affordably did they save how much money do as they had. Eighteen grand in the end was all the fixes, then male nails in no eighteen grant was that construction costs. This was probably around forty bucks like a day of de so this again
conspiracy arm takes hold when people say that the government did that on purpose now, because it welcome we highlighted here, they ve ladders, urban area and that to know that's. When you talk to the guy who's in charge of security and said that he had been screaming for years to get the cameras. Faye wondered
he's been annoying. I gotta learn how to sell it once a day. Is that you know there were, of course, rumours of the footage being suppressed because
there was a report that the secret service- amazingly ok, like we ve, found the footage from the bureau building, but that was done in error
I thought that they add further to the Mirabelle. Do not because this is such a huge, fast pace to operation. There are hundreds of people working on this case all at once, but the thing is like.
Gumbo rights- and you know in Oklahoma City. The incompetent
here is a far greater crime than the cover up, because there was chatter among these right wing groups for months leading
to what they knew. Something was has also been the dialogue on the internet that showed that obviously take certain footage. A has been found from around the more a building in order to say like look you
see here like basically pointing out that there are more people in the cap, promised there's no time signatures
we're going to know, and also I watch two different documentaries terror from within, which is spoken. Incredible would re basically build this entire time line of the white power groups, helping Timothy, vague vase
set up the Oklahoma City bombing and then there's an old uncle. The secret life of Timmy, Timothy Mcveigh, which is the complete conspiracy one and they both use the same footage to say different things. One prove agonies alone, warrior one proving that he's a part of the: U S, government, as a sheep dip, knows
Do they get into how he earned the nickname? The rub, my institution, the rub, Mcveigh Wide pops, but at any rate the FBI, either ignored or half heartedly, explained away. Most of the evidence we talked about today see they didn't want to uncover conspiracy. They wanted a straightforward, no nonsense, conviction and they got to as Nicholls turn himself in after just a couple of days, because Timothy
they had written down in the dream. I'm motel register as his address. He wrote the attractive
Nicholas family fought very nice, but very nice. Could you just couldn't think of another address different kind of numbers that aren't re all day? I came, we may well dressed, as will the nineteen eighty eight sedition try we mentioned in the last opposite episode, also have a lot to do with this to the FBI.
Had decided that if they ever had another case against white supremacist, they would go for this
doc and not involve too many people. They were afraid if they went for all they would get none just as they had before, and there was- and this was against every instinct of every FBI agent to focus on just one guy. There were play
of FBI agents out there trying to be. Let loose think you're very right around the one thing about the Emily Eyes: fucking dear very dog it after investigation
they do investigate, but the higher ups wouldn't go for it. Even though
were so many guys think. Please, please let like this guy Bob Bricks, like Bob Breaks, had spent
of his career chasing white supremacist, but for some reason the higher up. Just wouldn't let him loose see. It's almost unheard of for the FBI to ignore evidence that could lead him to bigger fish, but that could have
them to another Waco or already Ridge, Europe, Ruby, rich or another failed sedition. Tribes were egg on their faces in the more put more weird bad p
or they get the harder it.
For them to do other things within the government, because again the government has to make political decisions, and so, if you dont have pop iv, the political move in on your side does not many things that you can get done right and in the F b I tried it hardest to convince all the witnesses who
said they saw Mcveigh with another man to change their story, some dead and were put
the witness stand, others didn't and worked. No again, there is no direct evidence. The Mcveigh was ever in EL him city
the point- but it has been strongly suggested by a number of people both in the far right and in law enforcement that he was. He also called cause, which is essentially the White Power ACL you it is a group of lawyers heat someone called in asking what to do about this bombing, whether or not they should bomb this building or not. I feel like I was one another clue as another said. Like us side. Bar of this whole world words like use, also try to get their legal team in Valea it's a small world. This whites supremacy
It's a meal. They had their all as they have their own little weird ecosystem right, cooler,
from the turn diary. Spitted sets it up with interim diary, determined areas of how militia should communicate to each other, but neither the far right nor law enforcement has admitted that Mcveigh had help in this whole thing. For one reason, none of them want blood on their hands were specifically the blood of nineteen children after Mcveigh was arrested and tried the jury deliberate,
for three and a half days before convicting Mcveigh on all counts in trying to save Mcveigh live the best any
one could say about: em came from Michael Forty eight. He said if you do
consider what happened or oak alma TIM is a good person.
Were mostly for that Oklahoma City, Balmy Diana and he s a naughty naughty naughty boy. The measuring, I could say, is great throat at after that statement I took the jury about three hours to condemn, invaded still seems longed. To be quite frank, I does ethic do a right. Having just do it here. Debbie baby was good food. The reading, so in June eleventh two thousand and one Timothy Mcveigh was put to death by a lethal injection. Michael forty, eight was sentenced to twelve years for his partner saga and Terry Nicholls risk
a sentence of life in prison at the Colorado Supermax facility, where he remains to this day, Richard Guthrie hung himself imprison people
Lange and is doing life after a dramatic shoot out with the police Dennis, may harm
still given dumb shit interviews, elegant city still plodded along these around and they are funded, gettin, dumber and Andy. The German is bad,
in Germany who, having been smuggled out of America through Mexico after the FBI, started asking questions on item
He said he moved back because Oklahoma had become quote stressful, how it makes sense. A lot of people leave Germans leave, because this stress, I always Oklahoma City, the stress level, go home, Ilium City, real stressful plough, yeah. So far, not a single other arrest. Besides Nicholls, forty, eight and Mcveigh has been made regarding the events of April nineteenth. Ninety ninety five and start no look like
There never will be as a Michael forty eight that twelve years of light, that has a life sentence because they do no is complicit in the mass tragedy. I feel like that's a little bit too late.
And so they will, he turned states. Evidence lies only cycle, Michael, empty, vital. Forty, I write forty eight was the star witness against imitating so remember the star: witness useless seal ball of the witnesses wow. So I think we ve all out today. That is fascinating. Stop, there's! No way the Timothy Mcveigh acted alone needed its
that can already that we again great the honor peeling back the unusual and end the onion Hague, I so did you run you out there. It's like, we feel like
really proud about something like dial it back before you more
bunch of people dying that prowler back
but this is rare where rhetoric in a way it actually turns to violence, it's very difficult for the FBI and the CIA to know,
That's actually gonna happen. Now. This is its tricky stuff well nigh Siberia. Can I owe you linking their wounds from Waco and Ruby ritual? You wonder if they would
just had a little bit more political incentive to actually stop the stuff, but also ideas Campi illegal. We cannot start shutting down one idea, because then
then, how do you do thought crime? What is known as documents are far beyond. I, of course, had a whole may grenades. They had ammonium nitrate levels in a united stand,
It is because we are where we are, of course, not advocating for the legislation against ideas or anything like that, but in this case the eighty
they didn't go in. For one simple reason: it was cowardice,
that's what it is. That was the reason why did they did not go?
because they were afraid that Waco is going
again. They were afraid that they were not good enough in this is big boy shit and what these are either. It's a bit supposed to be hard through not wrong to some degree it would have been. Who knows how would have gone, how very difficult it when you will see if we can remove off we, we might just do episode, Ella Home City or, however, how your browsing Elliot City had they got in there and had a huge firefight who, but reality would lead within it created a bunch of people will die by people with died on both sides. It would have been a big fucking. Checking has to follow me on. It was very difficult for figure out. How do you pull yourself out through Ngos mostly decision once you push the button now
The machines go at once you're in there now, if you're going to deal with the reverberations and then one of these ideas still blow up gigantic federal building after the ray I mean after you re telling him city after that, you get bowl shoals Lake, Arkansas undulating, that's what they're fucking job as we, they can't just say they can't just
back in hope. Everything's gonna work out all right. That's what they also tried that six years later, but in the lead up to nine eleven like with open mouths, some have been laud when Susan Rise told Bill Clinton Gladiator if they pull back, and they hope that everything was going to work out. Ok and you're fucking didn't cause it. Whenever you know, I'm just really should have got. No, we get it just sent them steed.
Normal like you, would have jointly. He couldn't charmed a brave graham wherever he is a bridge.
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