On this, our 300th episode, we begin our full-treatment journey into the life and mind of Jim Jones, the cult leader who, in 1978, was responsible for the deaths of over 900 people. So how did they get to that point? Tune in to our series to find out!
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and I said what am I doing. I was out of control right, yeah you're, like the ugliest member of the Firefly family. That's the end of devil's rejects. I believe you just described that alright. This is the last podcast on the left. Firefly family right fireflyer fly right. This is the last podcast on the left on your bed Kissel. We have markers Part Haven soon to be in a ball of flames. Henry Sobrowski, I can't wait to be gone so, yes, we all are on the same boat on that one guys. What is the number three hundred represent for every one? For me edit?
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this place right now Jim Jones were covered. Jim Jones were covering Jonestown. This is something this is an episode that I've been wanting to do for
years and years and years we covered Jones Sound. Very briefly in like episode, four back before we had any idea what we were doing yeah. I think we focused on more of the death tapes and things like that that we absolutely focused more on those aspects of it, but I'm extremely excited to fully tackle Jonestown in a four episode series. Alright, remember this! First of all, Peoples Temple no apostrophe
yeah and I want to start this now. What do you mean were corrected on the internet? Peoples Temple Noah posh? Why isn't it's not the peoples temple? No, because Peoples Temple with the apostrophe implies ownership right, and this is a socialist temple. Where is Mccarthy when we need him, he could have stopped all this from happening so Jim Jones,
soon as Jim, but to his mother was a murderous cult leader who led nine hundred and thirteen people to their death and ordered the execution of a further five all on the same day in one thousand nine hundred and seventy eight either in or around his cult compound Jonestown, located in Guyana in South America right now, Jim, but normally you'd. Imagine you'd find somebody named Jimbo at the
male actor show write a personal. He does seem a little bit lion king character. Ask
well known as people's Temple was somewhat unique in that it was more rooted in a political ideology than any sort of far out religious theology. The members of Peoples Temple, as I said, were ardent socialists.
These are the kind of people that are for bike lanes, for example, when you say political ideology, I'm like bike Lane or Anti bike lane. What are
there are only two up. It is a very interesting group. We know mostly about Jonestown. Is the end result, but this cult, this group started the 1950s
it's kind of interesting, to see the long form colts, because this is right, of course, similar to me to a children of God or Scientology, where this was a. This is a long time coming. So with that, what do you, what kind of fun to take Kissel sprays about these episodes is that you already know the tip of the iceberg. It's kind of fun to go down to the
stanky balls of the ice? Is that what they have done? That with JANET? Can we hear his balls, but we balls what we're
you're registered as a religion, I'm starting,
They were actually they were at one point, a part of a larger religious groups, so they were absolutely. Let me recognize they had tax exempt status. They absolutely did, but, like all cults, the ideology that those people shared
centered around a single figure, Jim Jones. This is the forty year saga of crawling into
Dude's mind because that's really what it is is that what is it cold, water we learn about culture and the culture we've already covered? Is that basically it's getting a group of people into one, normally dudes, brain and so you're just live
Jim Jones Life. Well, I mean do do that unless you're looking at Charles Manson and the most important thing I ever learn for Michael you can. Let yourself
with your butt with justice, but the thing to keep in my
this entire series is that what happened to Jonestown was not mass suicide, it was mass murder and it was not a sudden event. Jones spent years preparing these people
moment manipulating them the entire time. What kind of I guess, if imagine imagine the cold is old side, the brain of one man, it's like when the one man chooses to commit suicide. He then
murders. Everybody else could deleted scene from that movie. Was it inside out or something or the name of the movie animated film, wherever we with all them the child? That is exactly it's just like that, like that, before the name of that movie didn't set out yeah, that's great movie, TIM Jones didn't know exactly when he was going to initiate the suicide. He was always ready for the in,
really, though kinda like a guy who carries around a wedding ring in his pocket all the time to wait for the right moment to pop the question. That's the next case, commercial. Absolutely for those of you who don't know on the final day of
Peoples Temple Jim Jones, either directed or forced nine hundred and eight people to drink grape flavor.
Not Kool aid mixed with cyanide, putting them
through a slow, agonizing death. So now you can effectively obnoxiously correct anybody who says? Oh, I guess he drank the Kool aid.
Loudly and in front of many people in front of your friends and T Bank in June June, image actually favor. You know he was flava rated. The many people dutifully did what they were told, but those that didn't drink voluntarily were held down.
And stuck with syringes full of poison, or they were just shot in the head by armed guards.
Surrounded the pavilion where the flavor aid was served. It is estimated that up to a third three hundred,
People involuntarily met there in in one of these two ways and that's the absolute highest estimate. That means that at least six hundred did this of their own volition. Well, the question is: how did Jim Jones
manage to make this happen. I gotta ask: how did Jim Jones managed to make this or allow this to happen? I quest
I'm going to tell you oh wow. Well, first, though, let's look at my
suicide throughout history, because mass suicide is not singular to Jonestown.
Mass suicides throughout history were committed to avoid the wrath or rule of advancing armies like in one thousand eight hundred and three, when fifty women and children threw themselves over a cliff to escape
enslavement at the hands of Ottoman invaders. Now others were done out of despair like the mass suicides in nineteen. Forty five in Germany after the Nazis LOS World WAR. Two, rather than face defeat, seven thousand people in Br
Lynn alone took their lives, and these were Michael Fletcher Cox. Oh, my goodness, and these people were mostly civilians. They were not high, ranking nazis that we're looking to it to avoid punishment. These were people who just could not handle.
Their way of life ending they couldn't handle being wrong. Ran we've covered this in cold to get get again. We we we've talked about. This is the is soon as you realize, you're into
higher life has been wrong. You've allowed a certain thing to exist for so long. You never spoke up. You were you were just a part of it. You kind of just kept going once you admit at some point: oh wow! This is crazy. I'm not going to commit suicide! That means you've negated years of your life, and so there are people that it's so much easier to its fuckedup. At that point to commit suicide, then to change then there's the religiously motivated.
Suicide is the most famous of which, being Heaven's gate yeah. For those of you don't know in nineteen ninety seven thirty nine people followed a self made coast Rado named Marshall Applewhite. You wore his shirt on New year's Eve and we've agreed Instagram video and then cancel one that was a Christmas gift
carolino. Very wonderful Christmas gift so that man led thirty nine people into death
he promised them that killing themselves was the only way they could ride in a spaceship. That was for sure right in the tailwind of a comet named Hale Bopp. Can I ask this question: do you think it's easier to get a bunch of people to commit suicide if they don't have penises
I guess I think he thought that, because my is like a reason to stay around
like I'm fine with my my gives me enough enjoyment to myself. Even it's tiny. If you want to know exactly what it looked like there. The last days of the apple white, the Apple White Gang
expert living member that when she passed the penises and then she doesn't get it and then she gets it cut off 'cause. She cuts it off, but the other thing with that Heaven's gate.
The Green Bay Packers G. They did, which was very confusing for me, as a child still use it. To this day it is very difficult to create your own fonts. The Jonestown is unique and that it's somewhat of a combination of all three of these, but the only thing, those three that were
actually real and not a manipulation of Jim Jones was the despair that things just didn't work out see. People's temple was not made up of people looking for a reward in the afterlife
like Heaven's gate, the best Jones promised them was reincarnation and even then it was more of an afterthought than anything and they were not.
Super villains like ocean Rikio. They did not want to rule the world or force others to live life like they lived life. The only thing a lot of the members of Peoples Temple wanted was to be an example to the rest of us. These were people who were honest to God, trying to make life better for them self.
And for other people. They truly believed in the goodness of their way of life, because at its core, the message of Peoples Temple was positive, alright! Well, it definitely started
so, if that was the whole point, the whole point of it is that he got he again. That's how you find yourself.
In the middle of a mass suicide. Is it for so long? You were doing the right thing.
Right. You were genuinely a part of a community that was helping other communities and I also think there's an inherent difference between something like omission: rikio, which was cool as falcon metal and trying to take over the world, and then this is kind of closer again to a children of God, Slash Scientology or Scientology. What kept that thing together? What kept L Ron Hubbard together was the fact that in the end, it was about money, he was trying to make money and it's weird having that other side goal is what keeps it alive and keeps it going today or Jim Jones again. What happened was that he, I think the central question of all episodes are going to be. How does someone go from somebody who is?
genuinely trying to help society into maniacal power, hungry colt leader that now, which is Kissel you're, going to have to watch out for with your fucking future in pool
oh yeah, because there's really should always goes. Oh yeah and there's no way it's not going to go great, not hundreds and hundreds of episodes of my voice being recorded on this show alone that could sink any political career despite amount at any amount of charm. With these people, a lot of them did believe in Jim Jones. Yes, but a lot of the others only believed in his message.
And they let Jim Jones get away with a lot of shit because of that they believed in
Julie, quality end. They believe in social justice. Even of that term has become loaded in recent years, but either way peoples Temple did great things in the twenty five years they were in existence and made the lives of many of their members and many of the members in there those people's communities better all right, but at the center of it all was a man who could have walked the path of the righteous but eventually chose each
as an example of where people's Temple and Jim Joe started and where they ended. Let's compare eggs erps from two of gyms speeches. Here's an earlier sermon made in a people's Temple Church in San Francisco to hundreds of smiling people. You lookout at the crowd. Every once
Highlander hugging each other. There's like you actually feel like a love in the room when you watch this. Do you think it's drug related? No
This is not. This is a sober, absolute punishes abs, XL for Jim Jones himself. Yes, a staunch
play sober but like it was a huge role. It's like the difference between looking at footage from the studio audience from when the Cosby show was filmed. Then,
and then now, if you do a get a group together and show episodes of the Cosby show to them now different reaction, hindsight two thousand and twenty, let's hear this first one now now each of you give a very fondon graced by saudi Tori KISS of greeting to your neighbor. Let's fill this atmosphere with warmth and language.
Alright, that's the first right, very nice yeah, it's very nice! It's very positive! Everyone in the crowd is hugging each other. I've gotta Bing Crosby Christmas special. He is what he is, and this is before the sunglasses also how you know when things go wrong in a friends right if they start wearing tinted sunglasses inside right. That is always a very bad. Stop Salute Lee now here is Jim Jones in his very last speech made about a decade late,
after the mass suicide, the mass murder in Jonestown had already begun
Are you regretted me today? If you don't
Read it! If you don't, you don't die, you'll regret it too many people, I've saved
I paid them, but I made my example I made my compression I made my manifestation and the world was ready, not ready for main pool
so. We have a man born out of duties and I've been born out of this season, just like oh, we are and the best testimony week,
make it delete. It got damn right, it's like the spiritual version of one of those pre meth post method
but the drug for Jim Jones was power and just like slowly rotted out his tongue out, the drug was Jim Jones was also amphetamine. Yeah, ok, yeah! That's that's! Why is fuch 'cause that point he had. This is because in the beginning he was really clean. Almost two clean. He was sober to a point where
I think it's disarming nauseous this point. It's the opposite! Where he's all his teeth are all fuckedup he's there screaming. I also will say Jim Jones is very similar to L Ron Hubbard, and I wonder if there is a thing to it where they have a sort of feminine aspect to them. Were Jim Jones, twenty sort of dressing up all the time and he started doing his hair and doing all these things, and then they kind of weird affected speech that started happening later on his life very similar to L Ron Hubbard. I wonder if there's something about the bathymetric duality that these guys have, that attracts
to them as well, where they have kind of feminine aspects of masculine aspects and then make some very attractive to people. Yeah, that's a good point. Well, I think the actual guy who can do both that's what I always say, get you get you a leader who can do both? Well, I think the affected
hey of speech the the more feminine affective way speech that Jim Jones took on it bit me going to see?
exactly why later on, but he started
make an affectation where he tried to speak like an old black woman,
and that's honestly, the only I am one thousand percent serious when I say like that- that is one of the affectations that he made and we're going to see exactly why he did that later on the series all right and I would get in trouble for
if you don't get in trouble for that, you've done everything I want to kiss you. I would get in trouble putting yourself at free speech trail because no ones pushing my prescription, I'm already upset another victim in all of this is Henry Zebrowski, as always like. This is always so it all comes down it all trickles down to me, as we said, I think the biggest
steak about Jonestown that people make and we've been guilty of this ourselves in our past. Episodes is to only examine the end. You look at the end and you wonder how people got there, but most of us don't take the time to understand it and just like all cults to understand it, we've got to understand the person behind,
absolutely, but before we get to the life of Jim Jones, I've got a name. My main sources for this episode, the first main source, is the
the Jonestown by Jeff Guinn, released just last year with the benefit of
years, Hindsight nice. It is a fascinating and highly recommended book. That is
it's a little more sober in even with the storytelling telling, then the other one that we chose
other main source is Raven by John Jacobs and TIM Writer,
it was published in one thousand nine hundred and eighty two, only four years after the Jonestown massacre, and although it's widely considered the defense,
Jonestown account it doesn't really benefit from the passage of time, whereas the road to Jonestown does yes, it's which is great. I like having these two perspectives: we've both learned to
what the road to tons a wonderful book
it's great and also the documentary. Deceived is pretty wonderful too, because that's from a christian perspective of the Peoples Temple and it's literally just pastors going what
So for capital, but also a part of it's like damn, I could see the jealousy being like this guy.
But I like write something that fans of Dane Cook it's the fans of Patton Oswald, looking at the fans of Dane Cook behind this guy they're all the same domain. So please, if
You want to know more about this story. Go buy these books and support the authors, that's the road to Joan Sound and Raven O without further Ado, let's get in the life of Jim Jones and try to figure out how and why Jonestown ended the way it did. James Warren Jones was born in Crete in
on May 13th, one thousand nine hundred and thirty one his father like wasn't the flavor aid magnet wasn't. That would be. That would be amazing because he was burned into the flavor aid it so that entire hierarchy that theocracy, that is the flavoring company there are only
what is flavor at. Oh, no,
who is the son of a wildly bizarre couple named Lynette
in James Thurman Jones. Although Lynette was not his mother's birth name, she was.
Porn L'Unit Putnam in one thousand nine hundred and two, it's probably flu. That is, I think, it's clear that it is better than well. I think I mean spelling wise, there's no e at the end of it. It's just Lunnett server, some barbells. She Squad shield she squats. She knows how to do squats to put the Korg. It was probably Lunette young beautiful, but she was what could be.
As a lifelong pain in the ask her marriage to Big Jim was actually her. Fourth, having
already exhausted three men by the time she was a hair over twenty five if they can't keep up get outta here, 'cause she's, twenty five. She was also described as an old maid, which is a fun thing about the time.
We argue talk as Jim Jones is for
other James was a world war, one veteran who had his lungs ruined in a german gas attack, essentially weakening him physically and mentally for the rest of his life. That was something I want to get more into at some point about the gas victims of war war war.
Because those guys it was a whole ruin generation of people. They call those people because they were deeply debility,
yeah. We talked about it a little bit in our Edgewood Series about the effects of these gases on men and what it actually does to him. But you know a lot of people
back from that war and a lot of people who had these sort, respiratory problems- and you know they go pass-
and they live full lives, but James Jones was not that type of man. He was a bit of a person or he was just a non figure I want to put these are very strong. Thank you can see the baby Dick Henry yeah. He was a non figure. He was unimpressive.
An unambitious from cradle to grave okay, but he was a member of a prominent and rich family to be fair. It's not! You can't be
you're a baby. Are you going? You can be ambitious in the cradle? Well, what are you going to help? What can you do? I was in babies, climb Everest like just pull up some
Oh I'm trying to make my penis longer wrapping around the bars of the crab. Just lean back lean and back just trying to be in, like I will,
be a man about town saying that to myself, but the thing is about:
James Jones is that he was a member of a prominent in rich family, which is exactly why Lynette Blonde onto him, despite him being damn near old enough to be her father. Ok, now the townsfolk called him big Jim to distinguish
from our little Jimmy, but by the
find. This guy reached his 50s. He was so beaten down and defeated that they taken to calling him old
instead, not clever with the nicknames pretty much on the notes. When he looked like a thinner, Steve Bannon by the time he would know. 'cause you just haggard like just like
no on a stool, just wastin away at the courthouse, because it was a dry county that they lived in, so he couldn't even booze it up. No right like there was. These are people during the prohibition they kept. The prohibition going after the prohibition had already been rescinded, so he just sat there for getting sober played
Cards Toledo Well cards in pool file. That's fine to do what's wrong! With that!
that's a great way to end it all just sitting there and written up for playing cards twenty in the last twenty years of his life. It was just drinking coffee and soda at the Pool hall,
a lot of times. She wouldn't even play. He just sit there. I don't know if you guys understand what living
best life looks like because I think that that might be at technically. That is self care. That would be a self care Saturday. Nowadays, yes, but he was not happy, you don't think the
No, he was. He was just whatever
like he just why he just coasted through life, not really doing much. Anything. Ok so
I had a claim that when she was about to be pregnant with Jim, she
vision of quote the egyptian River of death and
no it's more fun, then she saw herself dying on the cross, as we've had a had a penchant for the dramatic okay. She was a character yeah. I like it. She said that she was then visit
by the Spirit of her mother who told her
was not her time yet she
still had to fulfill her destiny of giving birth to a great man, not knowing what we do.
Lynette- and this is probably horsh- this woman was
Something telling lies to make herself more impressive than she really was and can be best
tribe, is a woman who never quite grew out of her snotty rebellious teenage years. I like her
because you know it is true right, 'cause, you're right here, part of its like she did defy the conventions in overtime. She wore pants. Yes like to square a lot. She smoked in public. She was like kind of like in your face kind of person. She just bit problems shoes just difficult
for the sake of being difficult like because it seems to, but you can also see her bum
against the society that didn't understand that she wanted more from life, but the, but the problem is that she didn't put the work in
so to make some changes. She was like my grandmother very difficult. The times were difficult. Everyone had to be difficult. Everything was on. Your grandmother was a part of the probe. I said my grandmother who grew up in Minnesota now Myoma, who was part of the solution to a problem. They were very activist against. They were against the Nazi Party and then
but you need to be real careful about how you use the word solution. I will shake getting. Solution is married to a very troubled term unions all across this world in Africa. All he was a global list. He considered himself out of the world, constantly apologizing, constantly being measured payment, but he couldn't commit suicide, and then I wouldn't be here interesting. Well, let's just get new example of
the Diffi Cult, Nosov Lynetta Jones. First of all, her constantly change
names. She was born Lunette, but
change that to limit.
And then she changed that to linetta. Only thing is
I didn't, tell anybody she wanted to be called when at a got super offended. When people didn't call our God, damn
yeah. She took the exotic colon and he took it as a personal effect 'cause. When she first met big Jim's family, she was going as Lynette and she,
but then she wanted to be started. Calling lynetta, but they
You know that they did, they just started called they just kept, calling her Lynette. So she took person
offense to they gotta find the game within the game. They didn't have serious Xm. There was nothing else to do. The only thing they had to do was find ways to become upset to feel emotion. So this was her approach. It's like showed up saying that my name is puff daddy now, but I was just calling your Sean two weeks ago
She also had apparently a filthy mouth, but this
Indiana in the thirties. So it sounds like they're standard for filthy mouth for a woman was just say
damn a lot. She spit a lot too, she like to spit yeah and she wore pants
disgusting. I feel like we're being a little harsh on this woman who was just trying to survive in the 1930s in Indiana. She wasn't trying to survive. This was a person who concept like she would so much rather say that she was a great person rather than actually being a great person. You have to say first, you have this Michael Jordan said it. I will be the best and then he became the best, and you know what Jim Carrey wrote himself a check for. One million dollars, you know they got him story, you know, he's deeply troubled, he's gone he's an egomaniac documentary was terrible, but you know what is good is that I get it you're from Indiana a part of this whole there were they keep talking about in the road
don't sound. Is it in Indiana? The whole thing about is: is conformity
this time it's a long layover yeah go along to get along is what they say: yeah keeping up with the keeping up with the joneses you're in there you're a part of a machine you're part of a neighborhood you're part of the community, so part of it's like yes, I think it would have been interesting if she I mean we're, making judgment calls now fucking seventy years later, one hundred years later, however fuckin' whenever the time period is, but it's like we're making judgment calls now, but at the time
like. If you wanted to be different, you should a movie got in New York, not everyone just pick up and move to New York in the nineteen thirties. I was to the point
express their. I am I wrong: hey man that back in the thirties, there were thousands of strong, independent women who took life by the horns and made it for themselves. Lynette opened just
I wanted to sound big, you know she just wanted to be
That's all she wanted. She didn't want to be great. She just wanted to be different. She was it like, for example, she's, a big believer in like destiny and reincarnation. She said that in a past life she'd been a six
for writer, a great woman but
this life her destiny
been ruined by pettiness and jealous. She already did it in a past life. I like this approach, would like been there done that now, I'm on to my Cheeto phase, but I think I'm going to get some flavor aid we're looking at the seeds that did get implanted into gym, but Jones. Yes, these are the little gym,
given all of these lessons from his mother and a part of it, is the constant blaming of other people and waking up with this idea of being. She said I was chosen by God to give birth to a great son, which is a part of what she would she had retro fitted for herself to make her feel
normal about herself having a child with that she put it all into Jim, and now he's got a live up to his mother's expectations, which are going to haunt him for the rest of his life. As far as
Mother issues go among sociopaths she's, not the worst mom that we've been covered in the in the series here. She absolute
podcast. Well, I mean, if you want to compare to a serial killers mom, you can kind of compared to Jeffrey Dahmer's parents, because even
so she was saying that Jim Jones was a great man, was going to be a great man and her son was going to be a great man. She was constantly telling her son that he was going to be a great man. She didn't actually want to put in the work of actually raising her kit, so she pretty much ignored him for most of his upbringing,
and in fact when he was born. She just she dismissed him by saying he resembled quote an ugly Eskimo, and I am not going to say that she is wrong.
He definitely had a bit of a Heidi clue moment with that by calling on an ugly Eskimo, but she is correct. I just picture her by him. So
glasses, huge aviators, when he's like six months old and we just slowly watch him grow into him. But that's not what happened, but that's what I want that's what I fantasized yeah. It was a Pixar movie.
There wasn't any help either, he likely said he spent all his time over at the pool hall drinking.
Coffee and soda and in other words, Jim Jones, was left to his own devices to do whatever he wanted and what little Jimmy
want to do was almost exclusively abnormal schitt yeah. He got right into the weird ship very fast, so
some reason Lynette. I would never let Jimmy into the house if she wasn't there as a lot of the time she was on the assembly line over at the old Winchester Glass Factory. All right, it was a part of the arrangement with the Jones family. Was that the because James couldn't get his together enough to have a job? You can keep a job. I couldn't stay on his feet. Apart of any of the lack of spare.
Right when they say a brittle spirit and that he had it again and again, it's like it's. It's a thing that, if the, if you suffer from so the family took the menacing look will buy you out, someone take care of you, but a part of this is that once we have you set up, you're gonna Lynette is going to have to get a job right to cover all of the she's gonna have to cover some of the some of the house. Expenses.
Take care of everything else, but she didn't want to. She felt deep resentment well yeah. She should, though, because their husbands playing cards he's not even drinking. I honestly think he was getting sauced up, I'm like well, ok he's got a card and an alcoholic problem she's out there
working in the factory, I kind of understand why she's constantly pest yeah. What fifty fifty prize, a fifty fifty
She also thought she was better than having a job yeah yeah. She she
and she also refused to talk to anybody in town they try speaking to her and she turned her nose up at him because
talk about the great things that she wanted to talk about. She's a Roosevelt yeah and I got I got to get that, but she also never made any real f.
She. It was always her being better than everybody
in her building yourself up like, for example, the Winchester
factory, she was just an assembly line worker. But years later she told everyone that she was a Labor union leader that she had let everyone in an uprising to have the workers treated well. Well, it was not
She didn't do. Jackshit already did nothing. She made glass
Well, while she was working Jimmy wondered
neighborhood and was eventually taken in by a sweet
old, Nazarene, preacher's wife named
Kennedy, which is by the way, the perfect name for a woman who talks about church all the time. Absolutely Myrtle. You won't some thin cookies.
Love? I made him specifically, so you wouldn't, like him,
She was a part of the nazarene community in the part of the nazarene communities. If you join the church, you can go to other churches yeah, but I think it's it's very. It's very devout. They're very sweet, but the
they were the only group in this small Indiana town that evangelized everybody else didn't the other groups was like you, the other churches. People would just come in
was a please right, yeah, I I know the Nazarene so yeah they were a God bothers to do as people all the major leagues that if you did not go to the Nazarene church, you were gone,
going to Hell BAR none, so
Jim Jones, because the Jones family didn't go to church at all which looked up the whole town yeah, because that's what people did you experience that out? It comes to town knows everybody's fucking business everybody's on top of each others, bullshit so part of it. Like everybody, does the same ship on Wednesday. They all go see the movie in the town square, which is
I actually did the old. The old go shopping on Saturday and on Sunday everybody goes to church and we don't go to church. You stick out, but little gym.
Jones started doing it and he was weird.
Immediately I'm, but this is good, so he's understanding. Religion is a social construct used for economic means, for jobs, for relationships, nothing to do with
yeah and guess what he does he twisted take. He kills nine hundred three hundred and then the six hundred itself kill. No. He killed that all right. He, okay, all right all right. He was it get. This is a once a
Jonestown was not suicide. It was a mass murder immediately back
oh, no, that is a good, zero yeah. It's a scale it back. So
Will Kennedy saw and Jim Jones a soul to save so she started taking Jimmy to church every single Sunday and Jim loved every single second of it. He immediately took to church and in fact he was starting to quote scripture back to her, even as a young child long passages of scripture, he immediately had a knack for this.
And pretty soon though he started to get.
Curious about other churches, so every Sunday, Jim Jones, would bounce from church to church to church taken notes the entire time so
time to go to one church and but for about an hour,
and then head to another church to catch the end of that one wow. Now it's very interesting because before the church thing
he was rolling around town when he was just you just walk with dogs. Follow him everywhere. 'cause he's to feed him and dogs. You should just follow him, but with where you go back and forth, he met some other little kid whose father was a pilot, and the first thing that Jim Jones said when he said, met this kid in the daddies like. I always wanted to be a pilot now like ok, so he went and he became obsessed with planes for like six weeks and then dropped out and started doing the church it, but this guy, when he started realizing immediately, was oh obsessions and things that things like this. This is how you fit into society with people. He never once felt the genuine pull Tord church or towards airplanes. It was about seeing how everybody responded to the people like, like he's. The guy is a pilot watching guys a pilot going to the airport watching all these people respond to this pilot with
fact and giving him power. When you see the church, seeing this priest lied all these people again again again to immediately he's like doing math he's Martha Stewart ANG it watching the bay the holes or he needs to get like see. Like did you see the
she he doesn't feel emotions he just like when it's like when a friend starts, get becoming like a crab.
Beer person in there just like now, they're all about craft beer at all. They ever talk about hops and once you start brewing at themselves and have to taste it like that's good, that's good
do we know now. Do we know why he was feeding the dogs, but why were they following him? Any ideas on that will see. You'll see, ok, so he's going
your church, almost like almost like someone in a comic con yeah, you know just going to find out all the different exhibits and really trying to learn yeah right I mean he was learning the entire time and I can said he was absolutely obsessed and that obsession had a huge effect
on his behavior and how he thought about things, and since it was obvious he had weirdness in his blood. He started doing weird shit that freaked all the other kids out, even as a child,
Jones was obsessed with death. One night he took a bunch of other kids on a field trip to the local cask
factory and cool jobs and the local casket factory, like everyone else in town, let
doors unlocked, so the kids were able to just walk right in and what time and once
got inside Jim, directed all the kids to lie down in the coffins, so they could all feel like what it was like to be dead cool. He didn't do it just once he did this.
Multiple times and every time he did it. Fewer and fewer kids came along with them. They don't want to meditate that it seems it could be very relaxing it,
it's very relaxing to just mime the sweet release of death. We also just go in and it was true. They said they would eventually watch him go by himself. What are we talking here? One thousand two hundred and thirteen,
fourteen years old and see now he's he's pretty young he's not quite ten, this, like nine hundred and ten
Ok, so he's a he's, a
savant. Yeah of the out of the readership are yeah I'll dictator yeah, and then there were the
funerals Jim would trawl the town looking for the corpses of small animals and once he found him, he
invite other kids along and eat hold elaborate funeral services.
What in the middle of recess
sky, I mean you could have just been a very successful wealthy televangelist he's going a Joel
he was in type thing happening- he was yes, I don't know I'll be obviously will get into the dark turn here. But at this point there are some good things that you could carve into
he's going a lot of things. He was trying to
like the heavy metal version of a preacher for a while being like, I walk the walk. I don't go and I will get into this, but he didn't like the idea of personal like flash units it, and so we
in those funeral services started freaking out the older kids, and they also they stop coming just like they stop come along with him. The casket factory gym
like the bright idea to make the younger kids attend and those younger kids were just
before the attention of an older boy at first, but when they tried to leave Jim would bully them into staying, and then
after that Jim Jones was introduced to who seems to be his very first hero, Adolf
oh wrong choice? You know, Jim. You made the wrong choice: home choice there with all the other kids, these 'cause. It's like a time showing these news rules of world war, two and all the other kids are having they love playing like Americans running
being like being a boy. I'm I'm here to save all the concentration camps were concentration camps, little Billy
I don't know, but we're going to.
Out soon. I bet liberate him, but he didn't ever believe in the ideology that Hitler was spewing. He just like the press
It was the style, it was the style. Yes, it was he never given eating gold or any absolutely not. No. He had to, in fact that was said not to police were kind of the opposite of his beliefs. Hi, he just loved the pageantry. He loved the style here watch Adolf Hitler. He watched how the men come may
ended a crowd and the way he came out of the crowd, the way he go real low and he talk real low and then get louder and with the crowd up and then bring him back down again. He took notes the entire time and he saw in Adolf Hitler someone to emulate and he loved Hitler. So much that
form his own little squad of Nazis and he pretended to
the Fuhrer. Instead of a member of the allies like all of the reasonable kids did and we
Kids, his own age again wouldn't participate Jim Jones drafted the Young
once it is really really difficult to get those bigger, older kids into the bunker. It doesn't seem like a very strange peanuts trip you know like I can see Snoopy just really get into Hitler or simply the whole tribe, P Nazis with Charlie Browns Kind consideration. The gym would take these kids out.
Who is secluded area and direct him to goose step, while Jim pretended to be Hitler.
They were adding Nuremberg, rallies and when the kids screwed up Jimmy, would
hit him in the calves with the branch he was about, four
teen when he was doing this. He would've been an incredible record producer. Honestly, if you want to be usually they did the did Jonestown eventually the peoples Temple recorded. Some
they always do they always steals and they're always fine.
Let's get the source family which will do at some point. They would. That was the best fucking cult albums I've ever heard. It's all jamming. It's got that African, but it but don't think yeah, but I don't think it's great. I think my favorite called
musicians of all time the Partridge family, they don't get enough credit for what crazy cult they were. I want to real quick dive into this concept of his interest in the stylistics and the approach of Hitler and that I think that a part of this has got to do it's a weird form of either sociopathy or what
turn into a some sort of behavior. He is always off. There's there's to me, there's
Something even more nefarious about separating the style from the substance of Hitler.
Then just being a Nazi, I think a part of it, the gas you can hate and by the, but by by the
the tree like the id I'd ideas behind us. He is a right and like and feel this way and then eventually either release it or be proven wrong or live your whole life is all
Person filled with hate, there's somebody else or something else about somebody that cherry picks. Something like that. I think I like I like the idea of his his speech style or the the pageantry. He cherry picks that off the top of one of the worst ideologies that existed the, not the idle in
and he used it to his own advantage and in some weird way, it's almost like fuct up in a worse way where it's just like he uses the quote: unquote the good stuff from the Nazis too, and then
use it later on too yeah. He completely. I mean, of course, he's also a child and he's watching us, so he's not a very like he doesn't have a very developed mine right, but he's not looking at what Hitler's doing he's just looking at how ya doing it right. He sees how Hitler is getting these people all riled up in, but he doesn't look at what that sort of style does to people he's not paying attention that all the shallowness of his style right to the talk about. Like that's the thing with TED Bundy, we see all the time at the end that that weird thing about serial killers, like even the one who they said, had emotions it's that shallowness, but I think it's it's like it's weird the banality of evil kind of it's like it's like a kind of thing where people are, as you kind of you
from a like a detached point. Isn't that normal, though? That's how you learn you emulate and then you're just
that you're a shell of who you're a million, and then you fill it with your own personality or ideas. Your own ideology right yeah, I I I
I mean it's a smart, it's Martin away! Well, humans learn. Actually, I think in a in a way like Jim Jones, he
as we're going to kind of see like, I think it's actually. If
we haven't done. Evil, like it's actually a pretty good example of how to be successful.
Yes, how do it live your life like it very much is like Jim Jones.
If he's anything else, he was a successful person yep, but yeah. She just chose to use that success for evil unfortunate rather than good. It was never enough for a man that was that yeah and with these young kids
it's that he made play nazi since an older kid was paying attention to him. The younger kids mostly put up with it. They put up with him hitting him with a switch, and this was one of the most important lessons Jim Jones learned and he learned it.
A teenager. If the kids, your own age, don't want to play with you, then you find
once no one else is paying attention to and you play with them yeah or you go away,
another seventy five years, and he did. That too, did that too yeah he got fired, but finding friends yeah. He learned that all you have to do is just give him a little bit of attention and they'll follow you anywhere see, unlike
most of the serial killers. We cover cult leaders tend to be lethally clever. These people are brilliant, other politicians made of politicians and cereal,
combined into one yeah. It's politicians serial killers and business people like it
because then you have essentially you're forming like a company like. Why would you
being especially this. He has to like bring people in. It comes up a money thing because then he becomes obsessed with money too. I love the
Jim Jones, like I need to LLC
if they come in saying it had to be so? What's your product, exactly look at death can look at death cult,
their most impressive skill cult leaders
always data manipulation, Jim Jones learned it very early on in life but like serial killers. Jim was also into a bit of animal mutilation. According to the book, Raven Jim once tried to sew a chicken leg on.
Duck with a string just to see what would happen if it's uh
Hence God yeah. You don't want to do that other like it, but I want to if I saw it on food network. Oh yeah, I'd be like slide it over
that's out of bounds, flavor overload, but true
the duality of Jim Jones. He tried to take
air of animals as well. He just wasn't very good at it. He kept carrier pig
It would send him on secret missions, but they all inevitably died in each one got a funeral suicide bombers on kamikaze pigeons.
But then again he would also
It rarely shoot his friend down for men with a BB gun. That is fun
brother used to do that. Brother used to do that to me and I used to shoot him right back and we had great BB gun wars, all the all in the basement, all across the hope. That's where it all across the neighborhood and they looked like real good.
Nowadays I would just be shot by the police. Oh yeah, back in the 90s, we had freedom. Well, he wouldn't just shoot him
BB gun he take actual guns like twenty twos, and he just pulled him at his friend and just smile and smile and one time he
actually shot at his friend on, and this is very telling of Jim Jones Don
hanging out at Jim Jones's house he's like alright. Well, you know I got to go. I got to go. Do my chores and Jim Jones was pissed off that he would leave
he would even think about leaving before Jim Jones. Let him go so as
one was walking away? Jim point,
twenty two Adam and shot an at in his general direction and hit a tree right next to the guy and it hit close enough for the bark.
Pull off and his friend not good, but it's definitely a part of his own weird. His ego was so fragile that he could not do an activity that other
born into is that other people were doing thing if he was doing something he was really into it and somebody rejected it. It's like they rejected him and then
They would reject. The thing is like Becaus, you did.
Like what I was doing. I'm taking personal offense, because that means that you're rejecting me
yeah! No, we just didn't want to play with the fucking chicken leg attaches
Well, it was a fun thing to do, but this is something throughout his entire life. If someone didn't want to go along with what gyms Jones did, he would consider.
A personal betrayal- and I would happen
Every time someone tried to leave his charge it because people are coming in and out a lot and every time someone tried to leave, he took it as a personal betrayal. Did he so? What you're
like to a Turkey every time he was upset and then eventually Guy Fieri picked it up. It happened in turns into that's the first lazy version of that docket hi Fi Addy, but yes, and by the way, all right p, american grill yeah. I went there the final day December thirty first and you could tell the wait. Staff was happy to be done. Yeah. It was sad, it was then again.
From a young age. Jim Jones seem to have a genuine interest in equality and social justice. As a teenager. He'd go over to the side of town where all the black people lived, he'd, stand on a street corner and preach about everyone being equal in God's eyes, and people listened because room.
But this is Indiana in the MID 40s there weren't a whole lot of white people coming over to the black side of town. For any reason,
it was- and I believe still is the clan
capital of the war of the country? It's pretty ads, pretty fucking awful, and it wasn't just
what a white person coming over to their top side of town. It was also a white person coming over to preach racial equality and, although I do think Jim Jones,
truly believed in racial equality, as many of his followers did is all of his followers dead. I think Jim Jones may have
so seen in this a path to power. He saw injustice. Yes
He also saw people that nobody else was paying
it was very smart. He realized both. It was like his own personal politics mix with this and then what is a stronger game than a thing that you both
You do believe in yourself. It's not worship, so the very bottom of its not horsh it. You don't have to spin Horsh it. You do believe what you're doing, but at the same time, it's going to help your bottom line. You'll find a market yep yep,
exploited market and that's one of the biggest complications in the store
Jim Jones, I do think he had good in it. I do think he did
It is a life he genuinely cared about others and help them in a stone, a Xing ways, especially when it came to race relations. But considering how things eventually played out you gotta ask yourself: did Jim J,
Truly try to follow his good intentions, but still lost evil or
was he always a sociopath who just saw
wishing to manipulate the data.
Think. It's a question will wrestle with with the this entire series, but I I think it's
interesting. I I hate that I don't think people that are good all the way through ever really end up here. I think in the end it was it's got something to do with this
Alo ness of his choices to begin with and will get into this. Well, I'm interested to see when the turn came, because at this point yeah it seems like we have potential for the actual good later so much
right, but so much potential in him. He is a very disappointing figure. So, let's get back to Jim's childhood.
Next, he somehow had an extensive knowledge of sex which join religion is pretty much the only two things he talked about, although no one really knows how he got
actual information or if any of it was correct,
I feel like you may have come from his mom. His mom was super into sex and talking about uncomfortable subjects, so I think maybe it came from her, which has got to be
gotta really fuck you up later on down the line. When your mom is making me all horny, I mean like it's the David Birdshit. I don't think you're supposed to get aroused when you have the conversation with your parents about sex, I don't think you're supposed to, but as a Henry just say, with David Burke,
did you like it a little bit in made in the rescue. Maybe they were talking about it in church, also, sometimes church broaches the subject, God, no, no. I mean what they say that in my church we had sex and it was very weird, very weird what they said about what Jeff Guinn said about Indiana in the road to Jonestown. Was that
this is a farming community. Sex was everywhere. I mean you saw animals having sex with each other all the time she goes. Looking. Dogs, dogs and cats, cats, fuckin' people, crows, Fuckin', crows 'cause, they are racists. I love crows yeah, and these are also like these are houses with very thin walls, sometimes houses with mom and dad in the same room as the kids. So sex was definitely
It was definitely seen, but it was not talked about you
and it really wasn't like red, shoe diaries level, no family guy name, MIKE Father, TED being like alright Mary roll over?
red shirt diaries.
credits and that's the credit and that's an entire red shoe diary and if you go back David Duchovny was in it. I forget the name is with Shannon Tweed dash in regular on the red shoe diaries. I feel like on the farm. It's called red hoof diaries you're on fire.
Also, according to childhood friends quoted in Raven had a real big honker going. I can say he made
the second big honker he had. He had a real pigs, hogs yeah said I like down there. Yeah and Jim would also convinced
kids to have literal,
Sync contest, but
always one, and it was said he could pinch his peen in such a way as to get the stream up over a rooftop now Lynette? Is it la not without Luna your child? I've never seen a child urinate the way that your child urinate she's, going to be a leader hose in my son's, a great man. You know that when the
The first showed me to him. I said let's check this out and I could fit
diamond is in his urethra, his weirdness continued on
in the high school where he took
his mother's example in bad social habits and wouldn't speak to anyone unless he spoke to them first, okay, he was all
one of those weird kids who wore his Sunday best to school. Every single day. He was a school character. Thank
the same thing where it's very similar to Jeffrey Dahmer, where he got his attention anyway, that he could so he would dress up every single day like he was going to church, he would hold
funerals during recess and he would talk about Jesus all the time. Honestly. I would
another situation where I would have been friends with him at this point yeah without a doubt I would have just been like. What can I do Jim stand? There look fat. I can do that as much. That's what I do best. No did you wear one outfit or multiple Sunday outfits, because that makes a big difference. It was slacks and a white shirt, I'm sure he had more than one because he was always he was always clean. He wasn't like you know, a dirty kid who you know just wore the same over over dressing like a target employees target. Look at that really that's going to be how we dress all of our in sports. Wise, Jim was terrible, but he'd always be down for coaching a team, and he did have a knack for organized at fourteen. He put together
a basketball league involving all the surrounding towns, he took stats, everybody loved being a part of it and it was successful for awhile until Jimmy
a puppy to a trap door and let it fall to its death during a league meeting. Well,
No one really knows why they just they were all hanging out. There have been a league meeting and Jim was like check this out dash J. Eight guys. Look. You ever seen an episode of Mr Bean. I don't you know, makes it easy and can live through anything. He can do absolutely anything you ever ask yourself: can a puppy live
through anything. I don't know I never I don't. I named him Mister Bean
Now, let's see if he survives this episode, Mister Bean falls down the stairs. I just heard a pop up here to learn pivots and hanging basket, but you also he's kind of like uhm.
Yeah yeah they're, just trying to kind of trying to do whatever you know, but after he pushed a puppy down.
Door. No one wanted to play for Jimmy instabilities. Trapdoors, you trap doors.
Trapdoors why it's a goof stripper. What's the point of a tree, and then you gotta get rid of a bunch of pumpkins and then go like the pumpkin. The pumpkin sale didn't go. Well, I wouldn't take him back out the door now put into the trap door. I don't know. What's the story goes we've heard about trapdoors or whole life. I've no idea. What's the point of a trapdoor in hickory for what trickery
bandits coming, you gotta have a place to go, but this whole time Jim was still for focused on church. If not the Lord, although he was fascinated by all the different services, he was most attracted to the uh.
Flicks, now pasta, licks or one of the crazier sex known for laying a hands and speaking at a pasta, lick sounds like an adult. It sounds like a triple x film, set to like Bethel Bethel HAM.
Likewise been involved. It's about it's the apostolics Hostile, Apostolou, pasta. Licks is a totally different. This very well. I've never heard
the God dam. Word said I just read it or ignore think you're right yeah. I like I like where you took it well.
They were extremely diaries. I would watch us will apostolics.
Extremely theatrical services. An in these, I think Jimmy found the kind of serve
that combined the messages he enjoyed from the churches with all the excitement and cry.
Participation of a Nazi rally, but the biggest contradiction was.
Jim, was never really all that interested in the concept of God itself. Like I said he,
concerned with the. Why of creatures in churches, he was more interested in
how well it's because his mom was an atheist and G
a very rare he said the time to and because his father said nothing she just pumped this kind of stuff in to him. So he write him out and I love this concept of v. Eight ski hate
Is the sky God yeah? That's what he would say that he didn't care about this
sky God. He was extremely condescending. With all of this said, he would you know exactly who this guy is. You would have done great in college in nineteen, ninety seven, absolutely Christopher Hitchens and he could get along and talk a lot. Oh yeah. He said he spent a lot of time on Reddit these days. Yes little bit of a Warhawk Christopher Hitchens other than that, I really appreciate it.
Because I mean he was more interested in the actual teachings of Jesus that helping the poor, sharing and living equally. In other words, the end
currently socialist nature of Christianity, in fact Jim Jones, he was
atheist as well, which is one of the reasons why he took a little detour before becoming a man of God and while on that detour,
He would meet his wife Marceline, alright
seems nice. Marceline seemed very nice, a great name I like Marceline. I don't think I've ever heard that his name before I don't either it's a very nice name, and she was a nice woman. Okay, so in nineteen forty seven Jim's father died of respiratory failure by this time do
His mother had already moved on to Richmond in leave an old gym behind, as if he never meant a thing to him, and he probably hadn't and the saddest thing is his father died the same day. He finally got four aces four aces in one hand, and he passed away that day and Kenny. Rogers was actually playing the game with.
Oh I get it. He started scribbling down with the coil
But what you writing Kenny
song in the world about doing dumb shit
think how how suicidal is Kenny Rogers having to sing that song or do you think it's come full circle now where he appreciates the millions and millions of dollars that he loves that song yeah? He loves that song unironically. He knows
it paid for his entire puffy face. Everybody just failed with stem cells, but it's good. They gotta know when to fold them. Neither
Jim, nor Lynetta, attended old, Jim's, funeral
and in the last years of old Jim's life lynetta, took multiple lovers, but even
old, Jim still got a big tombstone with his wife's name etched next to his in the vain hope that although she left him in life, she join him in death. Okay, she did not
she did not need literally just acted like he didn't exist as soon as they both left town. They were just like fuck it and then he just died alone,
pool yeah his epitaph is, I mean it's for some reason, one of the saddest I've ever read. It just said
You gotta know when to hold'em night know when to hold them. It just said
Everyone in the world is my friend
that's so, sweet of everyone was right. It would be really nice very, very sweet, but if it was like Bob Barker's, tombstone yeah
yeah, because he had many friends. Did Bob Barker die yeah.
He did he died right. I think
cop, I'm not really Pikachu song by he. He just said.
The bar alone. He had no real friends, and it's kind of reminds me of
Remember the movie Barfly of the life of Charles Bukowski, with I forget,
Mickey Roarke play seven goes. This was from my friends. This is
with friends like just like pointing out to the whole bar and everyone just trying to avoid eye contact with them. Yeah yeah
always one of those sad guys at the old bar yeah. One thing they
do that they did not bring
bring lynetta back to back to Indiana,
die in Jonestown before the mass murder, but she did die in Jonestown but
for some reason. They still etched her year of death and date of death. On that
stone that was right next to that she shared with all in an allergy for how shallow the entire Jones family was yeah. It's the only thing that makes a grave digger sad is an empty all written on to
he has to do something like that. I handled bones and corpses all day long. I will not see say tombstone with writers block
so when Jim in La Netta arrived in Richmond, they were no longer getting financial help from old Jim's family, as they once were so Jim had to get a job alongside Lynette and he got it got a job as an orderly at read more
hospital and he turned out to be surprisingly fantastic at this job and seem to relish and taking care of the most disgusting aspects like cleaning up vomit moving
dead bodies and disposing of amputated lands,
it's to do it, it yeah someone's gotta. Do it any saw the gap of being like? If I go do this with a smile on my face, I'm going move I'm going to work my way up really high in this hospital sure Jeff Guinn. He wrote that Jim would even make things like changing adult diapers and given spun
bath, he making fun. Well, he just he just have fun with it. I'm gonna say this honestly. In any other context, I don't ever really want an orderly who makes
it's like having a funny dentist. I don't need a funny dentist go funny, dentate, funny dentist. It can be funded the experience, but I should have a laugh
so I'm so fully debased that I'm in a in a a warm bath
The family is no longer involved with me. An they're cleaning shit from my whole, I don't want any fucking yuks
I want this to be a businesslike procedure that is done as fast as parking pass.
I don't want you to run in your life that you're late night, tight. Five on me,
Well, I can't feel my God dam feet anymore, no ones here to take care of me, and I know you and I know for a fact you are going to love it.
You are going to yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, like I read it, is 'cause. I've been eating a lot of beets yeah I like to change the color of it and I can do it by anything. I eat
making this one who makes fun nightmare
we can just having fun with it. Tim also managed to get a job for his childhood friend Don Forman, although this was not fun for Don Jim picked right back up where he left off and torturing his old friend. He knew Don was deathly, Afr
the dark, so Jim made sure to assign him shifts in the darkest depths of the hospital conquer. Your fears, I don't know man he's he's also you're like I have learned only well other than that
the small animal mutilation, but at this point he's not the worst guy on earth. I guess my he's that bad, I feel worse for his father had been married. He's taking care of the elderly GM, I just gotta say been along time. Paint them then long time been friends. Long time, I'm feeling great just being Randy thanks so much for the job they don't I feel like. Maybe we could deal with a little bit of this and the pumpkin little pranking, and maybe we could just be like normal friends. You know, shut
Fuq up Donnie switch over there once you go through that light, switch just turn it to off and break that. I kind of said the same thing here. Jimmy said hey like maybe if I realized
turn. The enemy can sometimes make skinny bikinis and not be
just turn it off
I don't really understand what I'm supposed to be linear, Jimbo. I don't really
got to go in another time.
They don't go into the room of an old man who had elephant
this crowd of just to make him squirt visit. These balls were so big they drug the ground. To my gym obvious, I want to say just straight up top again thinking the job. It's been again really long time. Friends
want to be around you. You really know how to hook it up. You just nice, but I'm
I'm not really comfortable in front of him old man with regular balls. I don't really want to be in front of a man with big protest, deformed ball and that's just me, maybe I'm being difficult. Maybe I'm being judgmental, you see that light switch
yeah turn it off happen to me now soon as its stock elephantitis.
My god. There's that street you wrote that BBC show. I think it's just called strange body. Yeah at it is, I saw an
elephantitis of the balls. Oh my god that looks painful. It looks extremely painful wow, but even though
I'm spent a lot of time talking with his friend. He was fantastic with old people. Jones was excellent at bedside manner and can make even the most die.
Call patient smile years later. He would use the skills to attract elderly people to his congregation. As
elderly people actually made up a large part of peoples. Temple see Jim Jones took every single
variance in his life paid particular attack.
Two is strength and used every single one of them. He was
constantly learning what worked and what didn't
almost like a sociopath, which is the reason why they talk about ceos of companies showing like signs of cycle Pappy. It's like about Paul jeez, because you have to be able to so good a commercial, so you can't be wrapped up emotions and in order to do stuff like this all the time he
so capable that it's scary yeah. Absolutely. I mean this guy. He turned out to be evil. He ab
really didn't. That's one of the tragedies of Jim Jones is like using these skills. He could have very easily been a great man yeah. It seems like he's doing some good service at this point. He really is so it's while working at the hospital that Jim met his first and only wife, and although she would be far from his last lover.
It would be her first and last. As far as we know. That's all she needed a Marceline Baldwin came from a stable christian family that was often involve
in local politics and civic matters, which Marceline would use to great advantage later on. Now she did
edible Wild street Kenner, but again in India,
all that meant was she wants, as Gwyn rights shocked her family by saying she was going to vote a straight democratic,
Oh my heart. She also seemed to not show much interest in boys that is until she met Jim Jones he's a man see Marceline was a nursing student and one night. She was tasked with preparing the body of a woman for the undertaker in which orderly should help her, but Jim Jones. So perhaps-
somewhat prophetically Jim and Marceline Jones, who would together lead nine hundred and nine people to their death met over a corpse.
And he just made it fun. He did he talk to the corps and he could be like. Oh, look: it's like she's
five, and then he pick her up and answer around he's like. Oh, this is like that Tom, petty song, yeah. Oh, look, look, look, look and she's like Jim. You are the living
and, and then we I'm, I partnered with Kevin Hart.
Because you just made this spot and then the undertaker came in and pile drive her and tombstone her see, but Marceline she's an extremely complicated woman,
as well as we'll see unlike Jones, Marceline did not want all this to end in death and in fact she tried to stop him in the end. She believed in the message- and she believed in Jim Jones what impressed her most. That first night was how kind and gentle gym was
with the family of the dead girl. I think when Marceline saw how Jim acted that night left such an impression are that she figured anybody who that had
sort of compassion, had to be good. It's almost like Jim Jones,
if he knew that about everybody, and he knew that people would therefore believe anything that he said as long as he did some of the most very intense and personal care,
hospital and have you would learn that later on? To is being like what so, by leading by example, he can also get everybody to trust and do whatever the fuck it that he wanted to be.
Because of that moment, Marceline essentially became the first follower of Jim Jones and despite his many glaring flaws, Marceline always followed him even when she didn't agree because she believed in the message out. Is it like fight club, wear,
the big booby Bob did things to the guy with Elephantitis, for bowls did. Did he go or help with his fault that he follows? Second, he died. He did yeah, he died. He died. I also yeah. He sold me luck. Marcela
I can't help but see you're dating old gym there.
You know I'm gonna say there's a lot to be said with the man. Who's got basketballs for testicles,
because you know what they say, but by the size of a man testicles, he got big testicles he's going to need bigger
I do some looking for an inherent marceline. Just please just got it just ate Maine just date based it's going to go bad. I know it's going to go bad, so Jim manipulate,
Marceline, just like everyone else, and she was extra suseptable because she had no experience with men at all. He told stories and lies to build himself up into something great, just like his mother did Jim told Marceline that he quit the high school basketball team, because the coach was racist, even though Jones was never a part of
basketball team. He also said that he walked out of a barbershop with half his hair cut for the
same Reese all right is a hero. No, no! That's what he did it again. It's in when your relationships formed on a light, and then they should wouldn't come out for in two years into their relationship. Yeah
and she started seeing that all of those stories were horse. Yeah Marceline's family, however, was not as impressed with Jim Jones, as Marceline was he'd get into screaming arguments with her fam
at the slightest provocation. He had the mouth of a sailor and he just generally gave off a weird vibe, like almost
Everyone in Marceline's fly from her family to her friends, looked at Jim and said why him listen to your fam,
When it comes to your partner- and I really do believe- I believe this wholeheartedly- if
everybody around. You is it's saying this person's a problem because we'll get on with plus plus look, we've always been on the the idea that serial killers and these people are never the
once you never not see it coming right. You always see it coming. It's always the it's always weird yeah. If they're going to do, fuckedup schitt they've been fuckd up forever. They just got finally the weird green light to do the fuckedup shift, so it wasn't healthy, arguing
It wasn't like a healthy debate. No, absolutely not! You know it was good and yeah. It was just I mean he just fly off the handle at the slightest provocation and yeah like Henry
if your family says he's bad
friends say he's bad or she yeah he or she if they say that this person is bad, listen to them. Ninety nine point: nine percent of the time yeah yeah, but back then, what
Marceline's, family and friends. Thought was that, if
She saw something in him because
This is such a good person. She was so sweet. If she saw something in him, then there must be something there there right
John Macarthur roll that over the wrong, while the two of them were dating Jim decided. He wanted to be a hospital administrator because he was very good.
He saw and he didn't really want to go to med school, but he figured that one day he could work his way up into running a hospital. He couldn't be a doctor, so he'd be the guy that told the doctors what to do and then, when he's like seventy five and he's in one of those rooms being taken care of from buying
nursed back. I finally made it to the top by late. I am the one being taken care of so in order to get their
Jim Jones, started taking classes at Indiana University in Bloomington, Hoosiers Hoosiers, oh and while there his roommate said roommate said he woke up one
it from a spot in the top bunk, with a sharp pain in his back Jim
is on the bottom punk and first the guy on the top bunk thought
is just a loose wire in his mattress, but then he heard this weird hissing sound coming from the bottom bunk and when he looked,
there, he saw Jim Jones working a hat, pin
in and out of the mattress going go to sleep. Don't talk back to sleep! Oh my god! It is very Pcm, Jim Goddess Lee. I just got a big test tomorrow,
again. This is all it is not cool, it is not. It is not fun. For me, it's a little fun. I see that your smile so he's using his roommate like a pin,
question. We don't know why. No idea why Kathleen idea he's having he's just having fun now all this did not deterred
Marceline, and the two were married on June. Twelve
one thousand nine hundred and forty nine and one of those weird double weddings that people used to do double wedding, double wedding
they used to be a Marceline sister Finger name was Edith really yeah, ok, double wedding! Now, after the two got married marshaling found, the gym was not quite the Christian that she thought that he,
as we said earlier, Jim Jones was an atheist and a dick had one at that. Oh, but Marceline, who was a devout Methodist, didn't know that
it wasn't until after they were married, that Jones told her that he could not believe in a love
God, who allowed so much suffering in the world. Well, why didn't this conversation be broached
It would have to be like tourist or second date. He lied.
Straight yeah yeah. He
such a dick about it, and you know what kind of guy I'm talking about here, yeah he's in worse than evangelical atheist. He was such a bill Maher about. It said that Marceline started
during divorce pretty soon into the marriage. But as this was the 50s, her mother talked her out of it. The terrible thing is had Marceline left Jim
owns if she would not have been by his side every step of the way, especially in these early years. It's almost certain that Jim Jones would not have gotten anywhere near as far as he did
she had the power right, she's, the political fan. She helped him out. She did lessons that she gave will get into it the civic lessons that she
and helped him and the woman behind the man. Okay,
so Jim Jones was an atheist. Why did you become a preacher? The answer is like preachers
No, no, no! No! The answer
is socialism. Oh Jim Jones was a socialist in that he believed all things should be shared by all people.
It wasn't so much of a socialist and that he thought the decisions should be made by anyone, but him right. That's a good! That's a call!
theme- yes, yeah he's a socialist, everyone should be sharing everything, but I'm
the one that tells you how to share exactly. This is what kind of in this map, but the Methodist church changes very interesting. Yeah yeah would eventually turned him back to the pulpit. Was
dance by the Methodist Church and in one thousand nine hundred and fifty two, the Methodist church reform to a more progressive creed. They
quote the alleviation of poverty, the right of collective bargaining, free speech, prison reform,
women and racial integration, which is a lot of great thank great staff held back when I had the faith I was about. That is that my family, but this is what he realized that he said he saw the whole. Like you see that everywhere we we figure out where to go right, which is the people's problem, his problem with church and a lot of people's problem with churches that you go. You gotta be but a bunch of talk about God, but you get nothing out of it. You don't actually receive any pragmatic, any anything from church yeah, so he realized he like. We got to create a place that we call the church there. Really. What it is is a place where you come to me with problems.
And figure out together how to fix the problem if we call it like the young Mens Club of America, the YMCA Gym
on the Methodist church. In this new creed he saw a pack
to the socialistic society. Heat always wanted and it didn't matter that he had to use guide to get there, which
I showed these. The shallowness of the choice of just being like oh I'll, just be a preacher which is in the initial soap. You are supposed to believe. Inherently did the preacher believes in this ship, the most so so just taking that one
this is that central lie which is in the ally of the hearts of many of these fucking piece of shit, priests and preachers. Is that it's that a gradual separation between the person, you're, pretending to be in the person who you are, is what's going to cause massive fucking problems for you? No matter what and it's going to make you inherently a corruptible and bad person, sure yeah, so in trying to find his voice as a preacher
Jim started, visiting black churches and he liked what he saw. He'd love the Energi, the sing in the fact that there was no time limit the welcoming atmosphere, everything about it
What he had always wanted in a church and again he saw something he could take advantage of, but the time wasn't quite right just yet he still had more to learn, and
should you learn it? But the revival circuit all right now, even though they don't really exist in America in the former size that they once did. Revivals were an important part of american Christianity
decade- oh yes, yeah! This is where the whole, like Evangelical,
mega churches comes where they they they push you over yeah like that, that the Spirit did it, but I know I had to do that. Yeah I had a fall over and then he pushed me.
It's so hard
push it once, and you like three just staring at me like. Well, you push me and he's like
all over. Yet, however, Benjamin just got pretend it's like wrestling. It's like wrestling Ben,
exactly how I thought of it, and then my parents were very pleased, but back in the day, revival's usually consisted of traveling preachers, either setting up outdoor tents or written out large halls to preach the Lord and they tended to
hell of a lot more exciting than your regular Sunday services, this right, entertainment, but also entertain
in the name of the Lord one of the main features of revival was faith. Healing preacher would find a person with an ailment
column up to the front yeah a lot of a lot right. The person would be cured if yeah I feel like. If that could happen, no one in our
in my home would ever suffer a sickness
If we could just yell it out, it would be terrible for the pharmaceutical and a hospital industries yeah and Jones.
Picked up on all this bright away. Now, of course, these feelings aren't real. Sometimes a person might be quote unquote cured, but in
cold cases, it's psychosomatic and most often it's temporary. You get an adrenaline rush, 'cause you're on stage and you're able and a lot of times they get more hurt because you're not supposed to be freaking, walking out the door spotted jumping up and down at Lord and when it's a bit,
feeling, like a person standing up from a wheelchair and zooming around the room, huh that person to plant- oh, yes, yeah,
Oh, yes, yes, yes, but in the beginning of
career, he had no calm,
so he had to find another way. Yes to Dan. He realized they should early on. He did it like a leap of faith who Steve Martin movies yeah. He would
this town of memorization before the revival Jim Wood Mill around in the crowd
listen for names and complaints, and when he heard someone talking about their element, he'd pay close attention. Then, when he went onstage he'd wait until just the right moment.
Then call out the person's name along with whatever it was, it was bothering him and he wouldn't be able to quote unquote heal at first, but pretty soon, wherever he went, he left
and stories of the amazing mind. Reading preacher and all of this ship
You know he was reading when he was listening to people and was calling them out into the audio are from the audience with their elements, and all that this is a skill. He eventually perfect
it's him doing the same trick and one of his sermons about a decade later, all right, sister, Ingram you're concerned about the losing losing your sight. You've told me not,
think about your condition. So no, I haven't you're not able to see me clearly things just a blur to you. You have to stumble around lately through crowds and are not able to see even
people spaces close up to you. Clearly. You know what I think is interesting too about the book. The book kind of made me realize. I never really thought about the relationship between the revival. Church is an like. The legit churches is that when he went to go work for the Methodist 'cause, he wanted to be a Methodist pastor. He didn't have the juice to get it going like kind of like. Basically they say you have to kind of go, build your own congregation right and then bring it to the church, and then we kind of we essentially by it like a burger king, like out, like you, do
for those installment companies, and it's like revival of church is kind of like the open mic circuit for stand up yeah. It's like you, go and learn your bit doing
revivalist churches, and then you take it to legit church. That's what you're supposed to do right like what we did with the podcast yeah yeah
sorry, but the Methodist church. Like I mean the establishment, did not want Jim Jones
and like you know, because it was on his. It was always on his terms. Everything was always on Jim Jones is turned all right, yeah 'cause, that's the thing is that all this spectacle it did not sit well with the Methodist church. Now we don't know exactly why
is kicked out
Jones is said it was because they were trying to integrate in the Methodist. Were they just weren't receptive to it?
the method is say that it was because Jim Johnson, stealing from the collection plate, but I mean really long day because it feels like it because that you can kind of, like you see the whispers in the very beginning that Jim Jones kind of like taking money to do
summer ship that he says it's for the church right and there's a lot of rumors coming this way, but he covers it with saying. Well, they just don't want to integrate
What was he using the money for good? Did he have a Robin hood type climb in may have sale in here he did do that for a while. Well Jeff Jeff going actually makes up a pretty good point in that like it's. Neither one of these probably true, yeah,
it was probably just like kind of an amicable ending, but, of course everybody
because twenty five was in a maid. Well, the thing was:
like Jim Jones Like and Marceline Jones. They said that at first of course like save face, and then it
until, like decades later, when the
I really started looking into Jones Jonestown that the method
search like oh yeah. He was steel,
he's a bad person, eyes yeah, it wasn't like the church, they don't steal. No, I just didn't, have the juice yeah, you have to choose yeah, he showed up, but he just wasn't well enough. You you up you the politics. Every I institution is politics, so you have to be around your face has to be in the mix for a while until you're pulled into being a head of a church
but either way Jim Jones parted ways with the Methodist church and struck out on his own to the impoverished inner cities of Indianapolis, open up a storefront church and name
right? It's got a is it a rhyme? That's arrived in unity, unity, yeah, you're, ready because community unity was in the inner city. Jones has come
cation was almost entirely black Indianapolis in the 50S was not a violent,
place racially speaking, but it definitely wasn't progressive either separate. But equal was the law of the land in Indianapolis and while white people did
actively harass black people, like they didn't say, Alabama. They didn't
really want him around, nor do they give a shit about their well being either the white leaders of the city.
Least meet with black community leaders, mostly pastors and
Why community leaders would give lip service and they'll? Tell em, we'll see you we can do, but nothing ever change,
I think the term was is that access does not equal accountability. That was like the kind of things they basically would just give him access, and then you see we listen to you and then not do any.
And so essentially like they needed someone to come from the inside the system out to fix their ship and
Jones. In this respect, I got to give him credit. You know whether it was for truly
Altruistic reasons are not Jim Jones did a hell of a lot on behalf of the black community in indian apple.
During his time there, even though it did start off small at first. This is how we built his congregation
he'd start off a sermon by asking people what was bothering him. The example Jeff Quinn gives in the road to Jonestown was of an old woman who is having trouble getting service from the electric company. Even
oh, she was still paying all of your bills on time. She she could never get anyone to come out to fix the blackout she was having so
Jim Jones, sat down with her and the rest of the congregation and they outlined all over grievances in a letter, and you might not think that this
would be much that you know just just writing a letter might not do a lot but sure enough. When the woman came back the next week, her lights were on, and then he did this with another person,
and another and another and another organized- and this is to his whole thing- is that you come to church and you come away with something, and you realize it like you. Do you? Can you give something, but I'd
'cause he's an atheist he's, not selling him a false bill of goods. He's actually is that he did. This woman is intangible gif.
It's a hassle. She has lights yet, but he's still saying that he's a man of God he's not knowing that he's an atheist but but uh the people who were like claimed to be like all up into God. That's that's the only thing they give you yeah, but I mean this guy is giving
double rewards intangible gifts, which, as you just said, I mean this up,
we have to uh. That's an accomplishment.
Still doing it with a lie right. So right now, it's great yeah
Yes, things grow we're going to see how that line makes things really compact yeah, and you know pretty soon in the community word started to spread about this guy and his Jim Joe
himself said. You know, Heaven was all well and good, but there was really no reason to wait until you died to get your
to get justice, in other words, is Heaven a place on earth is no baby. You know what it's worth was also pretty Tiffany must've been a member of the original community. You know, maybe she was with Jim Jones said. Was community unity was a church where you get something now
I like that yeah and to a community that was used to never getting anything right. That was
dream Lee appealing, but since it was just a small church at First Jim Jones had to do something to make ends meet.
Jim Chones worse is go, and this is completely true if this has anything to do with dancing a radically at night. So I'm not going to be happy better than that. He sold
spider monkeys door to door for twenty nine bucks. He honestly, whatever he did later in his life, is kind of this is
this is the door two things here, number one. Twenty nine dollars is quite a bit for the nineteen. Fifty was
but it's a spider monkey I'll be more than I checked out the inflation calculator. It was like two hundred and sixty dollars. That's cheaper spider! That's worth it! I think it's a lot to spend on any sort of Spiderman, even just it's choosing to spend it for this fighter. Mcleod. Here's a second of all. How does the spider monkey supply get to you
Well, who are the? Who? Are you get your product from? How do you go with like how do they transport yeah? How difficult is it to keep it in your house? The world? Where do you keep these spider with the world's itchiest underground dealer? Is code? Is just lied with spider monkeys. I come into this alley. I got something to show you just sell these fucking spider monkeys get them off my hands
That's the sales pitch! Hey hello, hello! Thank you for having me in your home. There is fifty Spyder
he's in my Volvo. I need you to get them. The fuck out of your father's cousin scam survey are everywhere. They thought my balls were a pile of grapes. I need to get these out of my hands.
Spider monkeys ended up gaining Jim Jones. New followers.
This is not. This is a test. This is a testimony from.
A woman from the PB
documentary about Jonestown, Jim Jones.
Easter, one thousand nine hundred and fifty three my
mother in law, Edith Cardale had a
working in it hung itself and she want to replace the monkey. So she looked in the Indianapolis star
and in that Indianapolis STAR was Jim Jones is add that he had some monkeys for sale,
So is through that that she met Jim Jones and came back saying that he'd invited her to church this next Sunday, never '
Anything, your monkey salesman tells you to do so. I save
Jim Jones, in your selling monkeys, you gotta ask so what
your other monkey. Oh it hung itself or the conditions of your home that aren't good enough for a monkey to want to live. We're just handling were just handed monkeys out to anybody. You drove a monkey to suicide and now you're just going to get another one to be friends with sprayer, with a dogfighter makers, new sort of its web. How did the monkey hang itself? That's so difficult, so difficult number one for it to learn. Eternal despair, Denver into Robin Williams itself in order to get out of the house just had to go so sad. Besides, just the monkeys
further supplement his income Jim Jones, continued on the revival circuit, where he was becoming a fee
Lee well known name as a healer, as he improved. Is that quite a bit from the simple mind reading day so he's a healer head, the Monkees Health
honey I'm so on right now I am about to go to see town,
flavoring. This sounds good. There was a such a buzz
then in Cincinnati, Jim Jones,
crowd. One thousand strong and still two hundred people had to be turned away. Wow and eventually Jim Jones started picking up true believer followers among the first were Joe and Clara Phillips,
convinced that Jimmy cured their son's heart defect, although it
most likely just an early misdiagnosis. They were joined by Edith Cordell, the Monkey woman
believe Jones also had cured her arthritis? All right also, I needed to direct line to those sweet sweet monkeys, but it was
Just people who were healed were drawn to Jim Jones. A lot of them were attracted by his message of racial equality, Jack Beam and
wife, Rhea Viana, join
Jim Jones in nineteen, fifty four after their church rejected integration? Oh my, and to give you an idea of how dedicated these people were. Both
jack and re died by
in Jones's side in Jonestown, twenty four years later by their own
hi, the our own volition, actually, because they believe that he was doing good and that's how you get him in the end. Like that's. What's what it eat it all thing got twisted yeah I mean I
the sixty at this point it seems like he is doing some good. These bigoted churches he's the only one reaching out he's selling monkeys and once again
lot of positive things, happen, he's doing a lot of good and even his best work is still ahead of him. At this point I mean these people,
Jack's been ranges. Cult leader, though 'cause I don't recall, having like legit
Emily a person trying to do good. Yes, like everyone else, was more fraudulent and someone more fraudulent debt. I mean they were just, and there were a lot of them were just interested in sacks. They were just interested in power. Is a very Alturas. These doing means justify the and stuff, though it since the
right right. He wants you know he wants, and so it just. It did technically start that. Okay and these people I mean they were good people, they believe in him, because they believe that he was doing good and evil
He was lying and cheating they told themselves. This is all
the greater gender and this started in the earliest days. They started making the allowances a meter given a little every every week on immediately, because you forget all the healing should is Bull yeah, all the oil you're, not real yeah, and these and that's the thing, is the people like you know, Jack Beam and re of Jana, the cancer removals. You know
they saw that they knew all of the healing and all that shit they knew everything that he did at the revivals was total bullshit, but now
he had dedicated followers that follow him for a totally different reason. He had plants is even if it's psychosomatic, though in you, but if you do feel better
You know there is something to that. I mean there is a line. It is a long life. Well, no, I mean really reminders of the mind. Is an interesting thing: no people will they will their pain away. Sometimes I guess I consummate like placebos should not police people.
Will work sometimes, even though,
it is a placebo. You know, like the power of the mind, is an amazing thing. Sure, when it comes down to a straight up, lie you get that check in the end. That's what I believe you just kicking the can down. So Jim had plans, but the thing is about plants. Is you just can't give
about twenty bucks and hope he can act. No, you need to perform yeah and in not just that, but in order for people to actually believe it, you can't have someone that just shows up gets healed leaves right. You,
to have someone that the congregation knows and the congregation trusts. This is tough to do yeah now now, first Jim, would take
people into his confidence and let him know the plan ahead of time, but he never asked the godly folk. It was always those that thought, the God stuff was just a means to an end and in on the plan. Well, you know, sometimes
it ordered to entice people into a restaurant. You gotta have fake food on the outside, and the food inside is very. I want real food yeah. I want to see the real food. I don't go to. Restaurants that have fake food on the other side outside is olive garden. Brings you know. You're talking about in Applebee's card sounds good olive gardens, great unlimited breadsticks,
how many breadsticks and soup can you have? They do cut you off by the way I learned at Carrabba's is technically the higher quality chain, and then, if you want to really go for big to break the bank, my Gian owes
on. So during the sermon,
Jim is already gone over this plan with two people, he'd call up.
Other names say you got cancer and have the second page.
Escort them to the bathroom Jones,
then tell him to essentially take a dump
and he would work his magic from on stage. So I could not. I would not be able to to help you actually taking a after a plausible amount of time to do would come back with a bloody, smelly, Mass wrapped up in a napkin, and we're told that the Conger yet had
past the cancer. That's not how it works. You know crap cancer. Well, if Jim Jones is in charge your congregation, you do and they said that that bloody mass was the evidence I would have.
But I would have said that, do you have to do actually this year, what about like you wanna spider monkey? I was, he does have a shot, but I will take my spider monkey. Let me help the organization, please well the
I want the mess. Was it was chicken guts, oh yeah, and they did a lot of the chicken guts just brought a little, so it smelled terrible, but the way they took care of people not looking at it too close
saying that the past cancer was highly infectious and nobody should get close to it and as far as the person who was carrying it around when it was
taking Jim Jones taken every bit of his power to make sure,
that person was not infected, but nobody else. I cannot protect all of you. I can only protect my man jack. I like this guy shooting you gotta, take him one of my dogs from this morning at a bunch of flog raw last night,
I tell you what it's nice going in, but going out it's new, not is what it is not even though he's going to end yeah, it is so nice is meat. Butter
The combination of working these supposed miracles on the road will actually helping people out with her with their problems back in Indianapolis meant that Jim's congregation with rapidly growing naturally, and eventually he needed a bigger space and so and one thousand nine hundred and fifty six Jim Jones bought a former jewish place of worship. The word temple was carved on the wall outside and since the church was to be a socialist endeavor,
Jim Jones gave his church a new name, Peoples Temple and that's where will pick back up next week with Jonestown part, two
Alright, laying interesting groundwork here. No idea, no idea about this guy. How do they get to be as big as they
fascinating to learn the orange
story. Here I will say a lot of crooked hard work. Yeah! That's where we're going to see is that it's weird how like, in the end 'cause same thing weirdly with Scientology these kind of go into it kind of with the idea of getting a quick buck or like a way to like kind of scam the world and get things going for themselves really doing so, but in the end, a life of trick
like so much more work? Well, it is, but at some point I do have to imagine that he looked at his wife and said honey. We're going to need some more
moving on up well. Jim Jones was an extremely hard worker,
when he was like he never left college, he never slept. He just never end that eventually caught up to him, but
for many years, like Jim Jones, from you know about the new dawn to dusk and beyond, like he was always always working
Clinton was like that yeah. They are all like that yeah, but that's a why the effect means came in, but we're gonna get all right, yeah and all of these episodes yeah. Thank you for listening all these other
Is there going to be about this long? Alright, but yeah? We can be a very exhaustive. This is very intense, we're really going in there 'cause. I feel, like we've, never done something with this level. We love colts yeah
I personally. In the end, it will study time yeah. I just love this study cold, you
more than we do also my favorite. These are my favorite called episodes are always my favorite episodes and yeah and we're going to in the future. You know we fucking Biffed, Heaven's gate. We're going to take a
serious run at Heaven's gate here?
that would say was a bit if it was a bad. There was not a bad for sixty or so episodes were just. There was a lot of Biff's happy three hundred happy three hundred we did it on dry am Sparta. What about
what about what about barb? No,
I guess maybe tell that story. Sometime 'cause, I don't think we've been saying that for forever nobody has any clue that would be. That would be legally yeah yeah. Maybe everything legally, I'm not allowed to talk about things that show is so dead and gone. You can talk about what about Barb, what about the remake, but what about Bob and they were trying to create for television because they're out of ideas, yeah idiots? Yes, they are. They are out of ideas, they're, definitely a barber barber yeah we make ITALY and which I think is actually very progressive, but it's it's trash stupidly fight. But yes, it's done. Alright
Well thanks everyone for listening. What do we want to say here? Uh we want to thank you, everyone who is,
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We're going to keep going man. We got a lot going on this year. We have a lot of coming up. I already ate. We have a lot of schitt coming on it. Absolutely it was. It was Philly. Philly Phillip birth, I believe, is his name. Thank you feel for reaching out on twitter. You can always find me on Twitter, at Ben Kissel and I'll
spondee there. I know some people say they want more shoutouts and stuff and we try to give it, but you can just
Yes, and I will respond, you can always find us road. Mountain kids will love to respond. He always respond a truck. I I respond to the funny ones yeah. I do I respond to the nice ones and the funny ones, no snarky comments, because that does that
fly on my twitter. You don't understand guys. I one thing I will say is like we're part of it: a weird phenomenon, that's called being a tiny internet celebrity and then, when you are a part of this, where three people
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absolutely- and I want to thank everyone. I go on these television news networks that I get a lot of hate from a lot of people. You thank you all so much for the kind once
because you got it it's great because they defend me and they're very sweet and you really make everything worth it and I'll keep on trying to stand up for you the best I can, and let me know how I'm doing
like Ed Koch, how my doing more, like you're doing terrible and he's like well done. But how am I doing
I think, he'll yourselves game, help me and honestly guys, happy 300th episode, we've done it and it's all because of our audiences. Because of us
That's it! Alright! Yes, because our refusal to quit there, it is it's almost like. We have no other discernible talent, but do stellation crystallization. That goes to lay Tiens. Thank you.
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