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Episode 314: The Jersey Devil

2018-04-28 | 🔗

​Join us on a return to cryptids as we unfurl the history of the Jersey Devil, including all of the occult rivalries, dime museum kangaroo hoaxes, and monstrous births involved therein!

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I don't know if I want you to finish, I just would need to believe she's in a safe place and she is ok. Well, that's the most disturbing intro we've had ever and we've had a lot of disturbing interest. With one hand, was a broski is not bad. You never been called up with the dog and go lately unrelated reason there. It is even having a dream about sex. I was dreaming about. I mean I think I was at a convention. I woke up just total David Duchovny. Oh my goodness, what are frogs. I love David Duchovny, great great clips. We played in the last stream. Ok! Well speaking of great, you know what. episode is going to be. There is pretty good, pretty good. Pretty good episode will tell you that much. We are finally getting into some really heavy topic. Superheavy we're going to talk about the New Jersey, Devil yeah. He sounds kind of funny, yeah
so the story goes, but in one thousand, seven hundred and thirty five, a woman known only as mother leaves of Leeds Point in the New Jersey, Pine Barrens, had just become pregnant, with her 13Th Child after a lifetime of childbirth leads claimed upon learning of another on the way quote, one Devon and the child was born in the bedroom of the leads household. It appeared to be normal, but within me
The wailing baby suddenly grew to the size of a full grown man. The thing had morphed into that of a horse and sprouted horns. Feathers grew in sporadic chunks from its body. Claws slowly work their way out of it. Stingers like wings, evil ran your body is rough. Commissioner, it sat upon mother leads first and tearing your to pieces for the Kerr she'd laid upon him with blood dripping from his claws. The Jersey Devil turn next to the midwives for bringing him into the world. Mother leases husband, another children remain locked in the next room, but the door was no match for the newly born beasts, a monster or through the door like paper and slaughtered as many of his siblings. Thank you killing us sucks to be born in New Jersey, specially eighteen, hundreds, seventeen hundreds, the father survived, but it was one of the midwives who watched as what came to be known as New Jersey, Stereo Devel list himself up the chimney to emerge into the pine barrens where it is said. He lives to the
Today, I'm friendly, no New Jersey he's got to be filthy. All the sit there, Devil himself tells a different story. He does tell a story here now: the plaintiff call of the Jersey Devil, as was sung in this first person, folk song, written for the nineteen. Seventy four local New Jersey TV documentary mother leads his 13th, oh wow.
Then call vice principal who's, the devil dances with this child bride. While there was a janitor slowly Tienen news, because that's the eight production that weekend of whatever the hell that is, that is for the poor, New Jersey, father of Leeds who
watch the Jersey Devil, who we thought for a first keep come out all masculine. It's like okay, this guy's going to play for the giants. He's got the re, use the lead, the re wings to jump over the fence line with him. He sing and dance of life he's a ren faire and when everyone well together for community Theatre, specially Jersey, community theater fairly good, not bad, not bad at all. The Jersey Devil itself is not exactly what you'd call a cryptid in the sense that we would call say big foot or two but Kabra cryptids. Why not? Why not? Why not? That's what I'd call well, besides, a pile of burnt feathers and bones found in a forest fire, nineteen, fifty seven there's no arguable evidence for the Jersey Devil. Well, there is arguable evidence for big foot and she will cover you get some cheaper, copper bodies. You got some big foot, foot prints. You got a lot of stuff and somewhere there's a naked peacock without it. That's the thing that I can't imagine panty chicken, Ahmad town. When you go down to Beverly Hills, you steal some fancy check and dinner for the night doctor or fined by the way yeah yeah yeah. Well, technically the
Jersey, devil falls under the classification of a chimera. Chimera is a type of animal, that's cobbled together from the parts of other animals like, for example, like a unicorn, a Griffin or pretty much any monster found in the book of Revelation Centaur. Yes, thank you. Yes, that is a good example. Thank you very much. No I mean it's not even here is like four or five animals. It's always got like the foot. calls, can the head of a cock and talk of an alligator again, I feel like you're, just going back to your dream of last yes
Chimeras are beings that defy the laws of nature completely from the laws of biology to the laws of physics. They're never photographed in are usually seen for only moments at a time cool. It is cool. Yeah they're, like sting opposite of Keanu Reeves, who takes the subway, and you know what I don't want to see. Any pictures of him taking the subway leave him alone. He malone my let him take the subway, but sting is out there looking for attention. He goes to fresh market sis going, I mean, like oh look,
like some of these peppers are wilted. Someone should send an SOS for some more peppers. Perhaps they could send it in a message in a bottle to the farms outside of this town wow. You know they come for the they come for the horror stories in this day for the puns really chimeras there, the classification of cryptids that are least likely to exist, so they are classified as script. It's well. I was correct before the show. I am kept in the dark by the way- and I want to explain this to me audience. You guys, never share any information with me. I barely get the outline fifteen minutes before we recorded no, I'm not the fastest reader, not the slowest reader, but not the fastest reader on believable you're, going to the same level of research to matter what time you get the outline. Now it's perfect. I, like your surprise, I, like you surprised, so we mean, though it's the truth is that it's like a bigfoot could pass. will be either very hairy man or some like there's a weird scientific, maybe gobbled.
Ok explination for what a bigfoot is, unlike chupacabras, the funk and dog right. So it's like. We know that for a fact, so these are the cryptids he need to type of dog or it's a sick dog. It's like it's, an animal that you could go. You can go raslan, you go kiss, you can go kiss a chupacabra, you could sleep in a bed, but it should recover and wake up next to it. All in gorged angered the chupacabras horror tales of waking up next to the hairiest polish man, in LOS Angeles Angeles, where he goes with Amy Laramee didn't mean always got the heat on the baking Marone front, but no hair on the top. It was old, headshot trending on Instagram, my
when is he used to have a nice head of hair and just what a difference a couple of years makes so fast fast. It goes, but the Jersey Devil is more of a a kobling of the american imagination, which is a part of the reason why we even coming back to cryptids, because normally we don't do. This is like a big jump for us have done cryptids along time, but this one is interesting because its connections to US history, yeah- I mean the thing is about the Jersey. Devils like you, could see a bigfoot or like a goat, sucker, maybe being real but like horse pig. Bat dragon is a little more difficult yeah. You can't. You can't fly with a horse head, that's true, but that doesn't stop hundreds, if not thousands of people over the centuries from claiming that they've seen something that they believe to be the Jersey Devil and many of them claim to have heard the Jersey, Devils famous scream as well, really here's a man from the documentary mother leads his 13th child
driving the sound he heard in the New Jersey, Pine Barrens one night, the noise that would make selling real high pitch it's uh go a woman screeching a real high pitch like Someone strangling a woman or something like such as there are real high pitch. Follow up question, sir, how the hell do you know what that sounds like a long time the Jews you just think about I'll in their work home just one year as he guided will tell you cool natcher, did years ago will does gas. While I look up to him, I know you know what we're going to call the police want you to stay right there you,
you know where does sounds comfortable. I would actually be more comfortable with me behind bars, while I think I think Jersey would be safer. Sir. This is another clip of a different guy talking about the call of the Jersey Devil, and this one is complete with the documentaries recreation of what the Jersey Devil might sound like. Ok, this is what I want to hear yeah. Alright,
well just about settled down to start, falsely we like high pitched in in here. It was like. First, everybody thought somebody for snow and we realize now. It's too much is proposing a toast too, as most family is going to grandma's job, and so do you is that it's it's door, creaky them, but is to be opening the say it sounds like a screaming woman and a lot of times. They also said it sounds like metal on metal, so like a screaming woman, dad did not because they had a hard time. She just had like the guy that was doing Foley for this New Jersey LAW or television, show his wife normally does the full any broader and the like baby baby, you gotta call make a screaming the Jersey, devil she's, like
baby. I said you were made to be movie. He got into English says like special needs. Now, remember the Jersey Devil is a flying horse. screams like a woman and it's very, very important to New Jersey and its history, as we discovered a lot about these documentaries. Yes, so their new Jersey is very proud of their and they will beat the shit out of you and your family to defend it. I would say: I'm not going to malign the great New Jersey Devil one bed, but as goofy as it seems to be, the story of the Jersey, devil is actually surprisingly rich, far Beyond the usual, I saw something weird story that we usually get with creatures, like that we
discovered this, while reading our main source today the secret history of the Jersey, devil by Frank, J, Esposito and Brian Regal. Again, not a secret writing about that is fine, it's pretty dry and academic, but as talks about little known chapters of american history go it's pretty great. How do you make this book dry and academic? It is about the New Jersey Devil horse 'cause. They have to make it sound, smart, they're like and then the Township of Brunswick was formed in eighteen. Seventy four in the first hoofprint to ever be found. Maybe of a Jersey devil was soon to be found of an enlarged antelope they've been released from a zoo that was brought by Joseph,
and apart Napoleons brother, which is true, there's did Napoleon's brother, does make a cameo in this history. Well, that story is apocryphal at best, Sir and Napoleon yeah that's interesting, Polian was actually kind of tall, he was average height and he wasn't kind of the same height yeah attending some of the same height. But back then that's that was your good. Not by today's date would have been murdered for being a fucking stretched man, ones that are only found in certain types of bog. So yeah, probably the story we're going to tell today is one of how this modern monster myth was created through a combination of occult beliefs, gone wrong, pre, revolutionary war, american politics and cruel old fashioned hucksterism. Oh, my goodness, more than anything we will show how the Jersey Devil comes from the general belief that we Americans share as a country that any as possible. That's right,
at least that is both one of our greatest strengths and one of our most devastating weaknesses. Yeah and one of our bigger lies. No man Elon Musk he's not american he's south african. He benefited greatly from certain policies or whatever he did. The Jersey Devil is not the only name that this creature has had over the two hundred and fifty some odd years. That's been around. It's gone from everything from the walzel bug.
Poodle, Doodle Bird, oh, my god, it sounds like you go into a fun doctor, I'm sure you've been diagnosed with a waffle bug, here's something I don't wanna fucking cute doctor, that's terrifying, quaint little fantasy doctor! No, I want some news. I wasn't doing what give it to me like give it to me: Fluffy Patch Adams, it's even ahead names as simple as the going because she now use the big wink is now often used as a term of a young handsome homosexual man who can lick his own assets. Well, you know that's one thing that takes a lot of work, but originally the Jersey Devil was known simply as the Leeds Devil. Ok, that story we told up top is only the most gruesome variation of the tail. In most variations, the baby just turns into the creature and flies away. Others no chimney involved. Sometimes it flies into the chimney and then away. Why not just go out the door chimney
he is for Alaska. Like I, I Hollywood version of this story. I don't think I think it was like a hot illegal. These pine barrens the difficult to dig in, and it's like in the sixteen hundreds right or seventeen thirty, five, seven ten or so that difficult right, getting built the pyramids yeah. I think many many years before that. Well others say the deformed baby lived with the family until it was four years old when it unexpectedly killed its parents and flew away cool up the chimney. That's so sad because it was like a little dragon void. There is one version of the stories that the Jersey Devil would come back and visit the Leeds family as a devil and would be fed by them, and he goes like
I'm sure, like all right, give you get a little bit old meal, but you gotta, stop flapping your leathery wings, all over this house. Okay, because word study our everyone's trying to study our world in the fifty jurors in Jersey, and sometimes the form is different too more, like a Kangaroo cross with a dragon. Okay, some say. The origin of the curse was not the mother, but rather the community. They put the birth of the devil. Half a century later during the revolutionary war, the product of an unholy union between an american girl british soldier yuck. I wanna see that with Nick Cage and Keira Knightley with Nick Cage is an older british soldier and Keira Knightley is the american girl and they have sex, and then the fucking dead, big horse demon, rips open
vagina and emerges from her like she's- are torn up circus tent, oh yeah. I can see it it's like a combination of the Patriot Captain, Corelli's mandolin in Rosemary's baby there. It is, you know, hopefully she lives and they can have a nice relationship with it. I think Nicolas cage will be a great. He would be a great father of a devil type. They just stitched Keira Knightley back up and then, whenever she sits anywhere, it's someone she sitting she's being draped on screen share. I don't think that's how it works. Another variation on the story is that the devil was punishing the town of Leeds Point where all of this took place because they had mistreated, administer in some form or fashion.
It's never said what the mistreatment was. I watch the more recent documentary because we watch this thirteenth child occur any from nineteen. Seventy four and I watch another one. It was handmade by Emma Tool or investigators, otherwise known as the devil hunters in twenty fifteen. That has a lot of people all saying this scene thing where it's just a guy from South Jersey, which is the weirdest accent in the face, the the planet, because it's that weird, it's technically like Western Pennsylvania, the More like DSA, however, we're down like this, and it's like this whole, it's very very hard to place, but they all say the same thing works like blur. G man got treated bad and no money got treated bod. He gave all them the demon or knows what he did about the way. No doubt a clergyman was treated, bad
For some reason I want pretzel now and well, there's also the standard mother Leeds was a witch and gave birth to the devil version of the story, but that version could pretty much be copy and pasted into any location. In the northeastern that point in american history, without the actual origin of this story, has its roots in an old timey flame war between a family named leads the quakers and none other than founding father. Benjamin Franklin, no kidding but you should have been the national bird almost forgot about me old. Benjamin Franklin. I want to the optometrist- and I said, make me glasses that only cover my pupils, Pdc,
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everyone's a sea captain, but a lot of people were seek happens 'cause. It was at the mouth of the Delaware River, so they were able to get to the serial fast social whole town of supervisors, which means nothing happens right. That's the supervisors, don't do anything well, yeah, but that's where it just well. They all lived. They must have drunk I'll, tell you that maybe the drunk is town in US history, Argosy captains usually drunk because you got to match the waves. No, no! You don't get seasick it's, like you saying you gotta, be drunk to drive because it makes you more relaxed and then you could be raised up on your reaction time. I would say you have to be drunk to drive if the roads were all wavy constantly moving. So so, if a man with drunk goggles of a civil engineer who wore those drunk goggles like they do with the deer programs, invented a city, Yes, drinking then would be would help yeah yeah.
So that is a good way to avoid seasickness get drunk. He drunk that right, yeah. It's not proven, but do not agree well, Daniel Leeds. He wasn't a sea captain. He was a writer specializing in pamphlets and almanacs, as was the style at the time wow His almanacs were somewhat different from the rest, as leaves was a staunch believer in the occult astrology now back then, like the occult held a different meaning occult just meant secret knowledge. He was just a was pretty much they said used call to say to name things like it's science that we don't understand yet, but the thing about people that were purveyors of the occult is that, if you were not, you were viewed as Essentia Lee, a version of you like you better than me, you better because you know all this hidden ship, I can only tell you now- I know it
need to share Daria little, do they know? They're great great great grandchildren are going to be microwaving every dinner because of that great scientist. The quakers, however, which Daniel was of the faith they did not take kindly to Daniel's work and publicly spoke out against Leeds's use of astrology, even though they were all into this kind of shit in private. They just couldn't publicly, they said that the witchcraft and astrology is nothing but foolishness, but when they were in their fuckin' parlors who was Paul but the TAROT cards, but the Quaker of oh yeah. This should be like oh you're, dating a capricorn with that doesn't work because your Scorpio and now you hit something I believe a Capricorn is a water sign in a fire sign together, mix up, you know what makes some people say steam, I say just wet:
mildly, warm puddle quakers. I think they, like things, mildly, warm yeah. Well, the quakers were actually fairly groovy. They were bad. They were better than the Puritans. They had a lot of buckles. They did have a lot of buck, Alexa, good buckles. Everybody had buckled who's before zippers. Well, nonetheless, the Quaker, really they really redefined the buckle. I think you're thinking of the pilgrims pilgrims quakers. No what are you going to fill the manatee oatmeal area? Here is what you're thinking about your thinking about the oatmeal man? Can you think it is not the same as not like we use a Quaker, it's the Quaker Oats is taking quicker. If you think he's got the big buckle on his he's got the buckle on his head, but the pilgrims were more buckle, people. What lucky charms you must have been so frustrating to teach in high school. Like the idea of looking at you as a teacher in high school, you just bigger than just dumping, this cool off. I don't
cannot wrestle it like you saying something like can. I grab it with my hands so I'll tell you one thing: I'm happy. I went to high school during the time when teachers didn't carry firearms. Yes, because I was the loudest rowdiest in class clown. That's what I was voted and one of them would have shot me will leads genuinely heart that his fellow quakers hadn't embraced his work 'cause. He thought they would. He was releasing all this study is, like my fellow quakers, shall look at pawn me as a genius, but when the Quakers did not embrace him, in fact, publicly spoke out against. Him leads put his former religion on notice,
and he started releasing Anti Quaker pamphlets and books like these guys. Do this him an alien door they're just immediately Lookbook this, you guys go good filter, so yeah, so I'm out there focuses a lot of this and other side of the state. I see when you start to come to this side of the thing that really does suck when you work so hard on something here like here. It is that everyone's like I don't think so it must. It must be like how John Travolta felt after battlefield are proud of it. It was like how much allergy twenty years in the making it was like that was the worst people felt like producing sketch comedy that's how it must have felt
so in seventeen, oh one leads put out a book called news of a strip. It's cohabitating in the wilderness, Factset like a yeah in in this, he wrote about the Quakers, quote spiritual and call on all four drums and adultery. It's us around and member. That was. That was the name of that thing that tried to take the the pop tart out of business. Toaster, strudel yeah, it don't know now, would said now the a lot, the peacefully a leg this alongside each other yeah. There was a competition for a while, well news of a strong but cohabitating in the wilderness, caught the attention of a prominent Quaker named Caleb. Now, if you say yes, I don't know it just p: U S see why the problem is that if your name is Caleb Pussy
and then your whole life is in spelt mean like no, it's poo say you are. You are a sketch, like Yuru Yuri Naked gun character, constantly him to clarify their so pushy punched back with a book called Daniel, Leeds justly rebuked. We could cause some sound like something Pussey would write. This is so we got themselves a real nerd fight here I love good food and that caused leads to respond with his own book. The rebuke- rebuke, this all the vault in the public name calling and since this was the 18th century, had no problem convincing people that leads was quote evil. earth are up and
meetings harbinger, and I would dare say I would not copulate with Leeds mother with the Palace of BEA, Arthur wow, rose, dropping the microphone. What is this now? This was what was commonly known at the time as a pamphlet, fight wow. No, there was coming up. They had a name for it, really yeah yeah pamphlet feuds and they went on all the time where these dudes in Like Boston or Philadelphia or New York. They would just because the printing press was, you know they were able to finally use it in like a mass in a mass media way. So these guys would just turn out these pamphlets talking shit about each other and they got really nasty. Like kind of the equivalent of us like photo shop in like a Dick and TED Cruz, is mouse today, stuff like that, the
history of the Jersey Devil, recalled one instance in which a pamphlet illustration showed a winged laughing devil with sagging breasts, shooting in the mouth of arrival pamphleteer as he laid content in a ferry boat. So long so Tom, you said you do like some drawing. I got an image you could draw yeah. I mostly I like to do, ladies in a parlor or I'd like to do a collection of rare flowers. Slowly, I could that scientific drawing you know that leads jerk, oh yeah I got a great idea what, if I do think he's laying in a funk and rap, and I get a funk- a big saggy milk, breast, like creature just sitting in his mouth saying mine, Leeds yeah. He had the problems with the quakers and you know he was into the occult and all that, but it also didn't help that leads worked as counsel for uh,
search, hated, New Jersey, royalist governor, a stooge of King George, the setups puer, not taking his fuckin' almanac or not taking your royalist fuckin' almanac dude. Benjamin Franklin was right: he pulled his dick out of whatever the hell he was having sex with at the time he invented electricity, and then he pooped harassing the Almanac America. Did it again? Well, the middle part was right now this was three slash four of a century before we kicked out the Brits an even though there were plenty of colonist who supported the crown, get outta here openly working for the most ruthless of them made enemies. colonies. Naturally, now this first feud, It wasn't the only thing that led the Leeds family into getting New Jersey's greatest monster named after him, but this was the first step Leeds retired in one thousand, seven hundred and fourteen, but his sons
we clearly his son titan, continued writing cool names. So far, I have to say, like the names of the time tightly leads, is it cool, fuckin' name, berry? Good name gets better. He had one his other brother was named Felix and the other one was, I think, was named Jeff at mean thing to say about it, but maybe it was just as my once again. This is my one son you're skinny, and this is my other fun Japan, what time to be alive? Well, unfortunately, for Titan, though there was a chubby, very clever, very horny, little upstart named Benjamin Franklin waiting in the wings ready to make his stamp on history and in Leeds happened to
in the way. I think that Benjamin Franklin must have been fun to watch. Watch walk like you. Just give me a dude I feel like. If I was physically closest to a person in history, it would be a Benjamin Franklin. I will eventually I will look like him. You should read happens and then you see I shaved my beard. I grew up my back hairs. Like my black head hairs, I grew up with them. Long yeah, look like Benjamin Franklin. 'cause he's got like a short hard penis. He knows the side to side motion he's got he's, got a fast brain and tiny hands made for writing. That's me yeah
never saw a day of work in his life. No Benjamin Franklin was a hard worker. He like a Dell, the printing pressure that print precious hard. That's a good point! That's big work! I'll! Take it back by the seventeen thirties, the astrology angle seem to be work and- and the leads almanac was among, if not the most popular almanac around- that was until Benjamin Franklin started. Publishing poor, Richards, almanac, printing, useful information alongside awesome quotes like three men can keep a secret two are dead. That is funny, yes, that one that a lot of fun a lot of fun little stories there. Our sponsor today is audible audio
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oh yeah, that one. You know like the same way that you just mentioned this one, I'm just like yeah one, that's very famous, and it's been around for a long time and it's about potatoes, and it's also about like when it's gonna rain, somehow a lot in there yeah it's like an annual by versus spy in there may be the first five versus spider. An almanac was like an annual publication. That did you know it had star charts and things like when the plant, the stuff- and it has some puzzles in there too, and some quotes. Yeah is a catchall man, but he understood like like we did instinctually back in the day that, if you put all of it under one umbrella, you perform a news. I got your farming tips, you got your phone equips all in one little area. Farmers
by that off and then I'll specially. If they found out that, if you crumple it just enough to him together, you could stick their dick in between instead of wrestling as sheep down using the fucking mind, because that's got to be exhausted after awhile yeah. You did wake up on these sort of the horn of your side that leaves out of town. So Franklin wrote a satirical piece in which he used astrology to predict Titan leads's death on the next October, 17th telling the reader that they had to buy the next issue. If they wanted to see if the prediction came, true, Please didn't die but Frank. and published in obituary anyway wow, and when Leeds angrily responded in the Leeds Almanac saying I am not dead, because it seems to be pretty easy to get a rise out of the whole leads. Family Franklin insisted no leads his absolutely dead, and that response,
came from his ghost Franklin kept his shut up for years. 'cause, like leads like his biggest rival, but Benjamin Franklin Like refused to
We respond to me. He would only respond to tighten leads. His ghost- I am doing this with every, because it leads completes, could get more and more angry and Benjamin Franklin, he would say, there's no way that such an own gentlemanly reply would come from Titan lead. So therefore, his ghost must still be in control of its publications gold. To do this, like some ghost, is trying to get into construction. Regular was funny. You will is Mister wonderful, says on shark tank, no yeah dead to me in the whole time. Benjamin Franklin is also calling all of his rivals. Devils and everyone's calling tighten leads a double because that's what they would do at the time that was like that was the kind of stock in so you would have for your opponent is like, but he is a saucy devil. Okay. But if that sounds like more of a compliment, got a cool, though devil was not it now, because you're not that far from the Salem witch trials here right, yeah, all the a I forget about it, forget that people used to take things really seriously, and they still do right is that people got killed back in the day when people would point at somebody and say that they are double the whole community would would revolve against them and leads became really on popular, and I was
part of what happened right, it's why? Then they got being known as the the progeny of a horse. Demon. The only fun thing during the during the Salem Witch trials, the I think that would be fun to be as a child, because you can just you can just eradicate every adult. So too did you see you ever see white ribbon number that it's a move me about set in the rise of the Nazi Party. I mean it's not very funny, but it's about little kids, where the fascism is getting some little kids and they were coming like little like spy snitches to the Nazis and it's very frightening. It's little kids being like you are Children are, and you know no, no Bartholomew, and it's like the it's very, very scared that that's gotta be fun. For a kid, though, whoever came up with that myth. Out of the truth of babes, one of the mounds of babe old kids do is lie it's the Bible, oh well,
there's a mistake in there. So Benjamin Franklin he kept hitting on Leeds captain on Leeds Basement, frankly didn't even let up after Titan leads, actually died in one thousand seven hundred and thirty eight, and why would you think setting this up in Franklin's next almanac? He congratulated the ghost claiming to be tightened leads all this time for fine
ending the charade, that's incredible! Benjamin Franklin and everybody high fives, it's just so weird to think of Benjamin Franklin as a bully, because he looks like everyone who is bully him in front of the Titan leads grave, just be like now he's really dead. There is really fucking. Do it just like rubbing his butt? Other, however, what's interesting is that the death of Titan leads more or less lines up with the birth of the Leeds Devil and for further connection one needs to look no further than the Leeds family Crest, the features, three figures with wings, clawed feet and pointy tails and above the shield rest, the mythic
cockatrice, which is a kind of rooster dragon. Oh, in other words, the crust was filled with monsters. Ok, cockatrice is also a seldom used name for a girl, which I think would actually be really very nice This is my daughter, cockatrice cockatrice yeah it in a totally different world. It is, and so creature that will become the jersey. Devil was born of a media war between a family, a religion in one founding fathers at the United States, cool and stuck in the middle was the poor devil. So all My love,
show me Harlequin. I just want to see the actor going back into makeup room. Take off his wig and just looking in the mirror and being like, I did again. When will I reap the rewards of my talent, I'm too good for Jersey? I just like the idea of a thing I think looking. The creature from basket case with the loop, which is like singing this song like in a swamp. Likewise, Fuckin' family is out there feeding porridge every day, in order to really understand why it was so easy for people to believe that the leads dabble and eventually the Jersey, Devil existed in the pine barons. You gotta understand the pine barrens themselves, the pine,
our vast expanse of over a million acres covered in a dense wilderness, a pine trees and swamps, know why that why they live there, they don't really don't day at. It is not a good place to let the people that do live. There are called pine rats yeah and they were for years, said to be backwards, thieves and brigands pretty much the hillbillies of the northeast moonshiners there bear in Belize. There, Sir Three types of people that live in places called Marantz 'cause. You live in a place where it's very, very difficult to live an
It's also it's out in the middle of nowhere in a lot of people went out there to find a place to live, they were rugged individualists and they all died, and now their biggest thing that they told about the pine barons is that you can almost see Atlantic City from one edge of the swamp. I ask you want to ask more people. I know from New Jersey about the Pine barons because they all say the same thing that people I texted several people about the Jersey Devil, because everybody has a jersey, devil story. If you've lived in southern New Jersey and they all just kind of say, the same thing about the pine barons are very spooky, I'm sure they are yeah. They're Super Nokia out there now possible that the Leeds Devil existed as a sort of cautionary tale for travelers to, at the very least, have their wits about them around pine rats, but none this is the story survived in an oral tradition for the next one hundred and fifty years.
That time, though, discoveries have been made in America that allowed the existence of things like the Jersey Devil to seem not only possible but probable. I think this is very interesting. As it's pointed out in the secret history of the Jersey, devil. America had four centuries been a land filled with biological monsters. This land was Phil
with bizarre animals that Europeans had never seen before, like moose and possums, and skunks and rattlesnakes hymns are weird looking they're. Really they get the huge teeth and they scream at you because it seemed the further you went into the interior. The weirder scarier and more deadly animals in America got, and it's always those the ones with the long tongues that like to hang around the pine cones, they can get the seeds from inside the bugs and stuff yeah. I like to see a moose in a possum and a skunk in a row. Thing called like playing a game with each other living in an apartment. Complex, I like to see that and then it's about how they're all struggling to be actors- and you make it like a sequel to to the Horse- show what said sure Jack Horsemen yeah you make it a sequel to that, and you call Rattlesnake House say: rattlesnakes were involved. He said rattlesnake, ok, and then there were the stories in the American Indians like these guys. These colonialists they'd hear Indians tell stories like gigantic creatures.
Floors went further West, those bison by the millions. So if the Bice and all the other weird animals that the American Indians were talking about were real. What stop to the fore straggling? Did the original people of the pines talked about from being real as well makes sense? And then, in the eighteen hundreds, we started finding fossils we found woolly mammoths the size of a house dinosaurs that might as well have been dragons and please your source skeletons, which bore more than a slight resemblance to the sea surface. That sailors have been reporting near the Americas since Christopher Columbus sailed the ocean blue, and I do want to clarify. We found planted fossils by scientists to disprove God, because, let's see I've been first getting that, but
how cool it must have been to come to America at that time? When you come over here, everybody in Europe is wearing like five shirts and there's gunpowder soot everywhere, and people are dual in each other and their on their their learning about their fave, creating slavery, and they come to America it just how nude native American does the buxom women and tall strong men? Are you lying to stores everywhere? Cartoon network has been awesome. Are you claiming that the process of so called manifest destiny, was somehow peaceful because there's a lot of history that might sort of contradict that narrative. I'm saying he came to America and they're like oh man. This place is cool. Let's, like fun
The first thing you do is the glitch drop off a bunch of horses and see what they do with it and there's a course is a club in climbing around in the native Americans, like whoa yeah, the horses weren't native to America, where they know they absolutely were not dog foot I'd like for you to meet. This is rainbows and champion runner, this is I'd, like you mean who thank you for introducing the horses toss could well, besides the unknown and the dinosaurs and all the fossils and all that stuff. That was, that whole strength, weakness thing that we talked about earlier We here in America we love to believe anything is possible and that's
and the things that help take us to the top. But it also makes us very gullible people at times in this particular foible was put on display fully in the Great Jersey, devil panic of one thousand nine hundred and nine. However, like a lot of things like this, it was burn it all started in the late 1880s in Cleveland, with the hopes called the devil kid supposed. the devil. Kid was born to a polish family with all the standard, devil, characteristics, red skin and horns, hooves and a pointy tail skews me mother, a mile and teen will walk to the library and damn I'll eat as many border to macaroni. As I and possibly stand. Thank you mother. I don't need any specs in my food, pepper is specs.
Who's music. That is so obnoxious. It wasn't necessarily national news. This whole devil kid thing, but it finally made the rounds in papers across America, then, in one thousand, eight hundred and eighty five, a twelve foot tall creature with glowing eyes and horns, showed up in Elizabeth New Jersey, capable of jumping over tall fences and running but the sides of buildings, the creature, who also had a penchant for giving unwanted kisses to the ladies of New Jersey had apparently made its way all the way from England. He was forerunner of the Modern Jersey Devil and his name was.
Spring heeled Jack Jack is in case you don't want it. I'm sorry, I go. Have a pork roll traditional dish served in New Jersey, again Spring Hill Jack. He hasn't made an appearance in a long time. We haven't had reason to mention him: no kidding yeah. You can't just mention him for no reason wow, so with all of these devil, sightings popping up all around America, it was only a matter of time before the original. The leads devil made a comeback in the man to do. It was a guy named Norman Jeffries.
now. A lot of stories say that this guy only took advantage of the Great Jersey, double panic of one thousand nine hundred and nine, but it seems like he may have actually created the mass hysteria that spanned three seats for a full week. Really we talking, what are we talking? We say panic. Everyone just running around in circles telling full week like it's something like it's wood stock or something for having mask sightings of the Jersey Devil. They were saying they were seeing around. There was stealing chickens, it was climbing on the radio, for it was, it was snatching at their kids. It was running across their their hiking trails. All this what did you have? a like, I saw the Jersey Devil on Thursday. There was like only animal this incredible and then someone else will need to. I also saw Jersey, Devil, any detention right so in
Eight nineteen, oh wait. A Philadelphia newspaper ran a story about the leads double legend. Well, you better yeah, and but that was just a curiosity. Type of thing, yeah, they didn't say, was real real evidence. It was real. It was just like a this. Is a curious old folk tale from the Pine Barons Norman freeze happen to read the story which gave him an idea which he took to his boss. At the ninth and Arch dime Museum in Philadelphia, now 19th early 20th century die museums were among the most popular forms of entertainment in urban areas. They were pretty much a menagerie of different distractions, but by far the most popular feature in any die museum was the freak show I see I thought it was a museum that had died. I was like how many times or even in the currency, at that point we were run first done one round one died now you might be willing to die museum. Thank you so much for coming to the New Jersey, Dari music. Here we have a dark room
from nineteen fifteen. And over here we have another dime. You could see, I've got some rust on it on the side of it must have gotten wet at some point. It's one thousand nine hundred and fifty as well- and I have had said that I'm here, one thousand nine hundred and fourteen happy. We came because five dollars for you to come in here, that's more money than this entire museum is worth because all we have are these seven dollars making money entrepreneurial ship so Jeff is ran to his boss with the story and together the two formulated, a plan to create their very own leads devil, burst.
Jeffrey started. Planting stories in local newspapers about a mysterious creature, seen lurking in the woods leaving behind strange foot prints is cancel this one day will be our biopic. He literally you and I together talking about how we're going to make our own cryptid american and we're going to get a date. We're gonna get a double fever going and then, as you addresses the just in the symbol of the process, I'm the supervisor then, with a good amount of rumor and fear. Circulating Jeffries visited a friend, his name Professor Edwards, and raided his kangaroo. My name is legally professor at just professor I'm, not a teacher. I have never went to college. My name is professor. Yes, you can call me, professor, in a real kangaroo, real Kangaroo in Cleveland. Now he actually went to upstate New York rent of to Binghamton all right. He then painted green stripes on the animal which the kangaroo licked off and almost died that day
Stop making it like this. Why you gotta make. Let me try some of this page see how bad it is kind of sweet or it's kind of nice. damn kangaroo with you flirting with me with the paint then Jeffries tried another kind of paint which the Kangaroo accepted. Ok then Jeffries made a set of wings for the animal which the Kangaroo destroyed. Very unpredictable animal. Yes, so then Jeffries made a softer set of wings out of rabbit fur, which the kangaroo accepted. Ok, he taught the whole thing off with a set of antlers, and so the attraction was born. I wish she would. This was around here in America's funniest home videos way back in the day the the old school remember the Jackalope. Oh, this isn't even close to being done well, yeah. He was, he was very funny. Well, this was the age of the showman freeze wanted to get people in to see his creation he put on a show, Jeffries
went over to the Ringling Brothers Circus and hired a clown. He knew named George and Heating George got to for a bunch of carnies to act as a posse of monster hunters. My name is George. The clown and I have my moniker- is the most commonly named cloud storage. The cloud I don't do a lot talking to my flower. I got you with the water anyway years ago. No, no! No! That's half of my music! Don't just give these times away their history. The Jeffries gave the fake policy a bunch of torches pitch forks and nets. I made a big show in town that the mob was going out to capture the creature at all costs and Jeffrey Cinema out in the woods. Okay. So before we do, the Mall Brienne ACT, but I was thinking, is we get everybody together and we first talked to see to
Jersey, devil do see careful. I have that's why I have to tell you one more time Craig. This is not. This is not your production. Ok, this is my production. So once the mob was out of sight, they made as much noise as they could to make. It seem like they were locked in a fierce struggle out to the devil. Every week, there's a devil everywhere wow. Then they brought out a cart carrying a cage covered in a blanket cages. Raveling and then they took the cage to the dime museum. Come on, come on turn the museum and see the sights yes, so I know where everyone's excited about the monster, but we recently got a new dom. I got this time it's from it's from Cleveland, Ohio and it's from one thousand nine hundred and fifteen, please pay attention to me: I loved I museum order, Guide,
it's. In the next day, the local newspaper reported that the creature had been caught and was on display at the ninth and Arch St Die Museum under a new name, the Jersey Devil whoa. So when people to see the creature an hundreds. If not thousands did, they were led to a dimly lit room in the basement of the museum where they were presented with a cage covered by a curtain. would raise in there before them was
painted kangaroo, aka, the Jersey Devil, who only thinks the fox this ship, it's only a dime. I still think it's worth with the room was very dimly lit. Sure yeah only thing was the kangaroo wasn't always in the mood to perform so did get the devil, going, Jeffries hired a boy to sit behind the cage and pricked the kangaroo with a nail that have been attached to the end of a step, yes wow, and that boy grew up to be Joseph Mccarthy. Yes, I just seems like a very it's like how they used to treat kids at show business. It's a very Corey Feldman thing to do more kangaroo, but rest assured the creature was eventually returned to Professor Edward, so good, relatively unharmed. Thank you so much for bringing my kangaroo back. Did you guys do the rental go? Well yeah, it was great. Performer gradient did what he needs to do. Well, I'm just glad it's safe and you only kind of poked it within a like a couple of times just couple one hundred times: ok, cool
gonna have to kill it. For its me, it was the it is. The beginning, or is life in this kind of thing, was actually fairly common. During that time period, like the infamous Fiji, the mermaid in Pt Barnum's Die Museum in New York. I wasn't even alive that was just the top half of a dead monkey sewn to the bottom half of a fish. I would love to do Pt Barnum at some point: love flim, flam man. I love him flam men from this time period it some of my favorite, it's my favorite type of history I mean talk about someone who saw a market that no one thought was a marketing yeah he's like. I guarantee you they're going to love. If I take this, half of a monkey combine it with this half of a big tuna, it's going to be called a mermaid or something like that like what the hell are you talking about, and then people are going to like.
You know we needed this, but I need this yeah, even the so called even the body of the so called devil. Kid was carted around the countryside for a time, although the secret history, the Jersey, Devil, did not say what was actually displayed in this exhibit. That's why I wish star would have gotten Charles Manson's body. I know yeah, that's a big loss. Man, just yeah just put him on display. That would have been the coolest thing in the world. I'm going to say it again. You don't want. I die. I hope that my body is used on as a traveling sideshow will take the second half you will use the legs. Look, how small a podcasters legs can become, after years and years of sitting in a swivel chairs, like yeah, like Chris Farley's in the the bodybuilder sketch on SNL, where they looked like they made it. It's really sounds funny, but the thing was in most of these cases when people left the exhibit the creatures, they saw stayed there because they were dead
in the case of the Jersey Devil, though Jeffries had created something much more than just a sideshow. Attraction pretty soon. People were claiming that they were seeing the same sort of creature out in the wild, particularly around the pine, Barrens and they've added in a few details of their own okay, the body. The kangaroo is still there, but now the creature had a dog's head of horses face a forked tail and long claws, in addition to the wings which had been changed from painted rabbit fur to bat. Leather imagination is important, just remember that is that a book contain You anywhere, that's true by late January of one thousand, nine hundred and nine, the southern part of New Jersey, as well as parts of Pennsylvania in New York, were in a full blown. I think that would last a full seven days known at the time as phenomenal week, and that week alone, people made well over one hundred reports that they had seen something resembling the Jersey Devil. The whole
started with a man named fat cosens who saw flying down the street in Woodbury NJ. That Sunday, then, when a cop in Bristol PA reported that he'd seen the creature and it even took a shot, that thing became a little bit more real 'cause. The cop had seen it, of course, and he tried to shoot it immediately. I mean he had two at the time he thought it was holding a weapon over the next few days. Strange track started appearing in dozens of towns across southern New Jersey and Pennsylvania. January. 19Th, a mister and MRS Nelson Evans were woken up by a strange creature outside their house in the middle of the night. This the account is told by Mister Evans. Here was, about three feet, in one slash two high with a head like a collie dog and a face like a horse. Daddy long wings. about two feet. Long and it's back. Legs were like those of occurring
and it had horses hooves. I believe it was married to Matthew Broderick. It worked back legs and two short front legs with paws on them. It didn't the front legs at all. While we were watching my wife, and I was scared. I'd tell you, but I'm and to open the window and say shoe, and it turned around barked at me-
I believe it said its name- was Sarah Jessica Parker, that is a classic classic. Bestseller Jessica, Parker, relevant and classic another woman chased the devil down with the broom is it was trying to eat or dog in that encounter was followed by the entire t of the Blackhawks Social Club, seeing the devil whiz past their windows during a meeting and at Blackhawk Social Club must have been a pile of pitches, and you know when they came into that, whatever quilt social that they went to afterwards. We also well the Jersey, devil and snap and they're all like oh yeah, we did too uh. It sounds like someone's ghost is talking slammed slammed him again: nice social clubs, really women or men. I thought men were mostly in the sooner social club at the Blackhawks Social club. That was a bunch of dudes hanging. cool group of Goth chicks and I got, I was happy with the
Now it's a bunch of dudes from Trenton NJ. I think everyone was kind of golf back then weren't that much it was more. Everybody look like John C Reilly back then yeah yeah, everyone, the men and the women, it wasn't until a city councilman in Trenton claimed he'd seen the devil which made the whole damn thing: official that the Jersey, Panic really got out of hand. You can always trust public officials in Trenton, so by Friday, schools were closed in factories were shut down because the men refused to leave their families to go to work. This is, after just five days. Wow other men formed policies and searched for the devil throughout the night. This is so fun. It's awesome. Even a local fire department get got in on the game when they freaked out and sprayed what they assumed to be the Jersey Devil, with a firehose until whatever it was ran away screaming. Probably the town drunk just a guy, just a guy with like Elephantitis who's, just been there
no reason for these three men die only what a new lease town knew: how to do. Taxes, everything settled down by the end of January and the sightings of the Jersey Devil have been sporadic at best ever sent with one of the gruesome happening in one thousand. Nine hundred and sixty six says you, though, Cabarcas, because every single person I know that I texted the two people I know from Jersey and both of them said: oh yeah, I got a jersey, devil story and then, when you watch other docs and like a monster Quest episode about Jersey, Devil, every he's got all story which involves been like. We were out I mean we were completely straight. We had only a couple of beers: are only smoking a little bit,
and next thing you know, I'm looking at a dog horse backgrounds. Usually they all say the same. It's all it's the exact same story over and over again, except for this one in nineteen sixty six. This is another clip from other leads 13th child from a cop who responded to a call about the Jersey, Devil, attacking a farm This call their mister so because the station that he was missing, numerous stocks and some other what type of animals arrive. is staying here at this time. He advised me that he was missing thirty one ducks for cats to dogs in a few days. Some type of animals come in and gotten these
Powell and his animals and taking him off somewheres. Neither just kill them for the sake of killing or had eaten someone. No other animal could have done that. You know it had to do with the New Jersey, but they fly by any chance coming on win. I love cop talk so much. I loved it up on the scene at the crawling, all thirty plus one that is ten ten ten one hundred and thirty one trend uno in Italian, the the waterfowl with marble texture to their wings to the killer. I don't know what the scientific word for feathers have John. Do you know they would disappear. In teen, from the scene they do. Let you know everything. They know everything they know yes now.
Some true believers of the Jersey Devil say that the reason why sightings of slow down so much over the last one hundred years, at least from the great panic of one thousand nine hundred and nine, is because of the advent of highways and ST lights. They scare the devil away. I could see that makes sense. He's a softboy. You heard his song. Jersey Devil is literally just a sweet boy who doesn't understand these modern times and he's just he's because I'll find someone nice like what's her name from twilight, others say even the so called legit sightings are nothing more than a sand Hill crane, a big screaming bird, which does actually exist, but whenever the Jersey Devil is or was doesn't really matter. As the
we have New Jersey, have taken the legend as a point of pride, even going so far as to name it. The official state demon in nineteen, thirty nine wow back when Americans had a sense of humor about such things. So ok, that's good, but in twenty fifteen they all do say this. Everyone who was like a new Jersey person that spoke on the behalf of Jersey, MIKE and I will have you know we are the only state to have state demon and that's the Jersey Devil. Now I feel its much maligned and they go very, very serious and so well in this tale with a poem writ and recited by a New Jersey resident impossible. The best crypto documentary ever made, MRS Leeds 13Th Child's, deep in the marshes
Leeds Devil is lurking in the mist in the darkness, he always working folks know his habits haunts and devices Lestrade yourself to the devil, entices down near the point where the reeds of the highest- that's, where the devil conjures aspires nice after dark, when the winds off the ocean best guard yourself, lest he get an ocean and pounced upon you with pitchfork and savor the rest of your life you'll be vexed with hard labour. Now you've been warned lookout, black magic life and discuss could prove very tragic jerseys the land that doubled as Rome Leeds point
the place he sits on his throne. You know I'm just so happy David Berkowitz is still writing. Poetry. That sounds just like a Berkowitz poem that is that's great community theater. I want to watch that show live. Oh man, hey it's a great documentary man. You know it just sits on Youtube called MRS Leeds 13Th child. It's about twenty four minutes. Long! It's fantastic, alright! Well, Well, that's what I always say stop having children at one thousand, two hundred and twelve children. I will say this: I cryptids cryptids are fun right funny here these these stories, I think they're, the ants of the I having it be around, like the Jersey Devil being around Southern Jersey. I well. I wish that it was real I'd love to see it. I love to hear your calls like or in your stories. If you ever Jersey, devil stories, I will hear him because I never get sick of them now. It's
I'm. Much happier to live in a world with the New Jersey, Devil yeah right, and I would like to think it exists. I'd like to think so too Bonaparte you didn't wanna include napoleons brother hunting for the Jersey Devil. It wasn't hunting for the Jersey Devil. It was the Polian's brother who is also the king of Spain. At one point came in New Jersey, he was hunting. He heard a weird noise here in a weird noise and said, and supposedly it was the Jersey Devil. You know Napoleon actually average height, not as short as as Shrek would make him seem. However, I don't know Shrek, but they make him have a princely. You know those can help. However, as Brian Regal points out in the secret history of the Jersey Devil. This is merely an apocryphal tale that is not supported by any sort of personal journals or actual written historical evidence. Well, there you go so even when we're talking about something is
truthful as the New Jersey Devils markets, make sure to keep it accurate. We always do our homework. Yeah awesome, all right. Everyone will thank you so much for listening. Well, it was an excel. Does a good that was like having no, when you're in the sushi needed a big one bite about with Saab? If you like our arrest student was the Wishabi. Now we had a little ginger a little a little pallet cleanser. Here I had so much fun with Rasputin. I had a hard time, letting it go. I loved Rasputin I like him being around in my life. I know he's a terrible person. He did bad things, which will always remind everyone that he was a toucher. I did actually get a fun listener, a bit of information, I'm sorry to bring it back to Rasputin, but apparently Boney M made on December tenth, two thousand and ten. I got this information from a listener, which is the same day that Rasputin died, wow interesting, New Jersey, Devil, very exciting episode. Thank you and we're going to be, I think so. The
I mean the world will be eventually addressing talking about how the the original like soccer was code seems to be caught. There's a lot of this can be played out in the next couple days that I know he will yeah we'll be talking about on side stories. I imagine, along with the in the rise of the in cell community, which we will, which will be very interesting and got anything to say about that information. Send this information at the last broadcast network at G, mail, dot, com and markets, and I go through indepth they're unable to stop at a little bit of the in cell community as well myself. Well, all right! Well, you be careful, don't get too obsessed with this stuff on line it people really get their opinions hardened, and then it manifests itself in a lot of horrible things in reality. So go outside and I say: have a happy meal together, get some spaghetti. Salad. I've actually seen get a salad there's a taco bell in the e village that just opened up. I think I'm going to do that. One of these days, cool, if I lose five pounds, just got a warning union square.
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