It's a return to cults on this week's episode as we begin our series on one of the most mysterious of the late twentieth century: The Order of the Solar Temple. Join us as we trace the paths of leaders Joseph Di Mambro and Luc Jouret as they wind their way down a path that eventually led to the murder and/or suicide of 74 people. Now through Thanksgiving, 23andMe Ancestry Service kits are only $49 per kit when you buy 2 or more kits. Order your 23andMe Ancestry Service kit at http://23andme.com/left Go to http://hellofresh.com/last60 and use the code: last60 to get a total of $60 off, that's $20 off your first 3 boxes. Get an extra 25% off when you keep all items in your box at http://stitchfix.com/lastpod
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and find it under shows hail yourselves. Everyone now back to last podcast on the left there's no place to escape to so. I started noticing something as we were going through. This episode damn bro has the same physical body as L Ron the same physically shaped body as who your favorite special guest of last podcast on the left, Hong Kong and Reserve route. That's right! It does so I'm saying how many specific women of this world have viewed the bodies of Joe Blow Joe demand broke and L Ron Hubbard as the body of God himself. Haha, alright! Well, don't get too full of yourself. This is the last podcast on the left. I embed Kissel with Marcus,
parks here in New York. I then and yes, our guest for episode. What are we on now? I think it's three hundred and forty one, so our special guest for episode, three hundred and forty one he's been here for three hundred and forty episodes, Henry Sobrowski yeah man. I have the body of a God and I could see why that's why people react so startled to me when I'm not 'cause, I'm trying to add more of shirtless walking on the street right cousin Lai, see it all the time, and why should they be? how to do it? Not me? Well, you know who else people get startled by the leprechaun because of your God, like body owners vehicle. The great is that honestly, sexy leprechaun we're going to we're gonna, I'm gonna, say couch this and wait for we next year, so how you doing alright. So why even mentioned these cult leaders, you might ask today's episode this stuff, I'm just going to say it's wacky wacky Lego is wack, we're going to talk about the order of the solar temple, and I don't know why
story. Is it more famous? But, ladies and gentlemen, you're going, This story here. First thing we're going to get in why the story isn't more famous all right. The order of the solar Temple, a k, a they'll, do do temp, so at all. Gradually you was a largely mysterious doomsday cult, the gained a short lived worldwide notoriety in the mid nineties for the mass suicide and or murder of seventy four of its member. In Switzerland and Qubec wow. So now that is far above, Heaven gate suicide. Once that was about that's over twice what Heaven's gate was she's, alright, yeah, but technically do they count less because they didn't have any penises? Perhaps, but, unlike suicide call to do it all in one: go the Ost spread, there's over a period of three
years from nineteen. Ninety four to nineteen, ninety seven killing themselves or murdering other members in five separate incidents, and I tell you what they had a little bit extra pizzazz then even Jonestown, even don't jonestown- is one of the most famous mass suicides world, whoever we deeply covered in the pictures from it are devastating right, but if you saw, if you look at the crime scene, photos of the order of the solar temple in the way the bodies were found. Late about in their golden robes covered, I mean it just burnt alive, it is sucking it just Metalist yet well, you know you're, going to commit suicide. It's always important to dress like Ric Flair, really that is. That is the key to a virtual, but it The interesting. Don't forget, ladies and gentlemen as well. I don't know why I'm saying, ladies and gentlemen, tonight I'm channeling some inner am radio host or something, but it was flavor rate at Jones. Tax, slavery, but really this isn't like Jonestown
only a couple of survivors out of the five nights in question that was only out of one of the nights nor there any tape recordings of the event. Nor was there any real. Yeah investigation done on any of the killing sites, save one 'cause. They did it right, unfortunately, I mean wrong right right right, even though the people of Quebec and Switzerland, certainly remember the cult, the uh for the solar temple was little more than a blip on the millenarian doomsday cult landscape of the 90s. As far as the rest of us went and are reasons behind that. First of all, they lacked the panache. Of the more well known cults. At the time. That's where we will have a debate, because you look at the footage of inside the temple. It looks like a Brian Depalma film. Well, it does, but nobody, but people like us know about it,
right right right, because the order of the solar temple they were not as hourly dangerous is Aum Shinrikyo, okay, they weren't as wacky as Heaven's gate and they're in was nowhere near as dramatic as the branch Davidians, and, to that end they weren't all that public either comparatively we actually don't know a lot about the order of the solar temple because it was mysterious by design. So was it because were they humble, was no, no, no, no, no huh. How do I put this because you know I've even said my distrust of interest. Unfortunately, just because I'm an extrovert, and so I just feel like they're always plotting exactly. This truly is that It's it's. They were so not humble that they believe that their secret. Truly were worth keeping it's, why it attracted the sort of what say societal, high level, members, people a lot of money, people a lot of personal cachet
for the famous of famous families that what you're looking at is an actual real secret society. I mean this whole thing was so secretive that summer members, there close family members didn't even know they were in the cult intel. Family members showed up debt interested. Ok, that's true discipline within a cult that's hard, yeah. I mean look at us with just within the three of us. We constantly accidentally tell people what the next episodes be we should be hold. Those cards close to the vest, like Biggie Biggie Smalls, says in the commandments of the cry of the crack me. And I don't know the name of the song. That sounds pretty cool, but the thing is that that secretiveness is what makes the order of the solar temple so special. They were a real life, secret society of the kind that- and we normally only see and novels and horror movies well in the end of a cult, is among the most horrific ends that any called has ever met all right.
However, some argue that the order of the solar temple wasn't even really a cult? Some say that would actually be more accurate to describe them as an essay Tarek magical society that got out of hand, and there is thing to be said about this claim, can I just call it a cult because not an asset Eric society that got under his note Eric NICE also Taxotere. It he's just a lot for me to say I'm just going to call it a cult. Yes I'd. I would say I lean towards esoteric magical group that got out of hand, because what we have here, something different than the golden DAWN, where I think they met up with. Their extreme nerds because we're gonna see they have a lot of right wing influence deep inside of here and what we know about white wing nerds. They are incredibly dangerous yeah. So this this is in sweats your This is in Switzerland. This is in Quebec. They had some and I'll Strela yeah I'll work as well. It doesn't sound like is neutral,
kill themselves, cancel I'm actually this world debate you because they only kill themselves. Ok, alright, then I guess that's a neutral. Well, I think they always see actually share a lot more with the early twentieth century. European magical societies like the hermetic order of the golden dawn and the full societies than they do with Heaven's gate. The branch Davidians okay, a like the gold- and on the order of the solar Temple made their rituals and doctrines purposefully, obtuse and difficult to understand. That way, when people did understand it or at least pretend to understand it, it made them feel extra special and that played in perfectly to the claims that the leaders may that their members were superior to the rest of society. I also never underestimate the power of a pay wall they put each layer, they put each layer behind a paywall right. One has to be. You have to pay in to get to the next branch. You learn more secrets. You pay into gets in the next branch you get a cape which is true. They love their fuckin' capes
like a like a regular Benedict Cumberbatch? I assume he wears capes or in the third one. They show up and now you're a fuck at night. It's like an improv school where this time, you're paying to get more and more friends and influence that a lot? Sometimes your Tina Fey, but a lot of times. Europe Clinton Mcgregor, never heard of him exactly exactly so it's interesting. So it seems like they write this stuff super confusing. There's any actually truly understand it, or is it like David likes book, the biggest secret or the greatest secret, where it's all such nonsense? The people are nice like I get it, but you know you can't get it. Can I respond never of AL a test nation hustle. All of this, if you read the Rosicrucian, did you read the rosicrucian manual I signed up for
actual rosicrucians deciding to read what exactly was that they believed in and they believe in a lot of stuff. Yeah, it's a lot of stuff and you have the machine it's about the journey. It's about. It's it's reveling in the mysteries. It's never just a raw, leaving someplace alright. Well, this journey and the pay wall, and all that shed. That's how the os who was able to capture membership, that was a mixture of the middle class and the wealthy with members ranging from canadian business executives. Two police officers to local politicians to even a swiss watch magnate. I mean this is what as it can be in there is so much chocolate watch this industry and seeing what award Steve they famous man of Zbc, clicked and also like. Oh he does the BC clatter. I know when either we look at that uploads to bicycle
I'm single man, people pay money to a bicycle made, and so they got a canadian businessman. Just I would assume surrounded by ducks. I would guess in the loon business I don't know why, and then you gotta, watch maker, multiple high level, canadian businessmen and watch is in Switzerland. That's no joke like being a race car driver in in America, we're not going to re litigate the clock. Okay, I've heard a lot of comments about our clock. Conversation we're will do that today. If you want to New York City to green point and you met the locking, do pizza, who is real? There's a king of pizza, like command of the other ones, go to there's the guy from Napoli. I don't know what he does and you have to go and you have to kiss him Palmer John scented ring that like then you understand the true power of the watchmaker until it's alright, I get it I get it parmesan ring is amazing by the way, well, one of the things that attracted
people was that the o s t was run like a business. For example, a judge that worked on the solar Temple case actually wrote in his final report that the o s t was structured. Like a multinational corporation, there was so much money moving in an out of the solar temple that some believe that it was more likely a criminal enterprise engaged in vast amounts of money laundering and that the cult was just a front. I kind of I do believe in some of that, but the problem is there's no evidence of it. Because Luke Shiree in Joe Dimambro really fucking covered it up yeah, they covered up well So this is where do we get the shinrikyo ties in right? Where I'm not yeah, it's also got it's got tastes. It's. I believe the order of the solar temple like if it was that it was like you Scientology was run by Dan Brown and Dio Holy Diver indeed, but it's hard to know just The order of the solar temple was really up to because
urban, no definitive books written on the subject. As far as sources go. We've had to cobbled together the story from a variety of internet and print sources to the biggest source. Is where a collection of essays called the temple of death and a chat, on the solar temple from a book by Shelly King called the most evil secret societies in history, which is actually a solid, read it's nowhere near as trashy as it sounds cool I like how trashy it sounds yeah this is Every officer has to go to every single call, knock on the front door and say what are you up until just ask then, in order to fill it out, we've used a wide range of internet sources such as the New York Times La Times Time magazine, infosec, DOT, org, religious tolerance, Org Watchmen, DOT, org access magazine, have you seen the runner of INFOSEC I mean infosec dot org. He looks like if Jesse Eisenberg didn't have the four percent.
Of charm that he had, but the other hand. It's also possible but since this story occurred in call and Switzerland, the entire story has been written just French. All that's why it's all the letters are twisted around yeah, because I was trying to look at some of the stuff, and I was like, through the goodwill pull apart. Noroi L'Epoque CE is warm I do want to apologize up front, there's a lot of swiss French is also different right right yeah- that's all I think so. I think it's different. I don't know it all blends together, but why didn't take French in high school? I took spanish in high school. We were in Canada quite a bit. What was it last year last year, I think I spoke to a lot of french people, poutine toilet, that's what I learned that is french,
guys with a bunch of gravy on it. Then you got to go to the bathroom, but I would like to reiterate if there's anything out there, because I believe there is one book that in my survivor, but it is in French yeah. So we try to look at if we have any listeners that speak French, that would have at any of this primary source material. Please drop a book report. The email because we tried as much recurrence so we cobbled together as much as we can and over these this series we're going to try and put out the most definitive as much as we can off as much as we can have information about order of the solar temple would pay ten thousand dollars to watch. Henry try to read a book in French just to see the frustration in your face. Now it's like a Sunday cartoon strip, you're going to come in living room, the books going upside down, I'm wearing like a spoken jacket, going like aaah International Day
But according to the French you mean the international nail, perfect yeah, since none of us speak French. This is the best that we can do, but we've def. We tried our hardest to make this as accurate as we possibly can we're going to try our best to tell the story of the order of the solar temple? Also, but there's a couple of all. Well, I heard in this story is that I have some different interpretation of the facts and what you could either speak to, perhaps in either one of our reading all right, very cool, hey guys. This is Marcus Parks for twenty three in Maine as gather around the table with your family. This thanksgiving, wouldn't it be nice to discover more about the genetic connections you share. Well, that's where twenty three me comes in twenty three in me is named for the twenty three pairs of chromosomes, the make up our dna, and it's personal genetic service that helps you trace your ancestry and learn about your dna and what makes you well you the two
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Behind the scenes- features a member really has should figure it out, because he has figured out how to do nothing but still be the leader of stuff for a long time and then to up until he died. He actually I'm gonna What this out there? Joseph Dimambro is a successful cult leader actually saw it through to the very end. Then he got the exact ending that he wanted and he got a age of seventy one. So just my question is: how did the italian get? to switch 'cause, he's italian right now he's not telling you my bro yeah, he's french, I mean, maybe you guys name French and have italian last name, I'm learning this to Kissel. Do you know that you can have that? You didn't really like Antonio Baba Naughty, oh and you're from London. It happens. Ok, see Dimambro seemed seem to be more the brains of the operation as he'd run, to fairly successful cults.
Magical societies before Jurate, even entered the picture. It's for that reason that our story begins with the life of Joseph Demam. I do think that this is very unique and colts. From what we've seen I mean we now have done full deep dives into Jonestown home Shinrikyo, where else with the other would gate well we didn't do a deep dive. In Heaven's gate we also the children of God children. We are children of God, and I I feel that this is really. The first example of Joe demand broke, understood that it takes a village, to run a colt, and so he went out there. He knew he had to get good people to surround himself with, and when I mean good people, I actually mean bad people right. Can I just ask what happened to the two previous calls? How did those then you'll ok and Dimambro was born on August 19th, one thousand nine hundred and twenty four in southern France to a single mother whom he was sitting
have a quote: unquote special relationship with, as they would orderly stay up far into the night knitting together La Angela, the need only three o and their money to you soon. They can have the voice of the first capital I love to need to give us the heels from your breast. My sweet sweet to me is there and just like oh suck on the motors. That's got to be a great childhood. Oh, my goodness hairy Bressa Dimambro reportedly said he picked up quote The rhythm of his mother during this time I've seen a couple of videos in x. Videos were people really pick up the rhythm of their mother yeah. I know what you're up to on there. So did they really
the sexual relationship. I have no idea if they actually did- and I just said he had a special relationship with his mother said. Ok, I will say being over. Mothered leads to a very confident boy which is where I would say. I yell myself. I feel there's a lot of Joe Dimambro in me and that I have the potential to flicking, make it where he fucking lost it out. All right. It's interesting! The now you relate to him after we've just been talking about how he might have had sex with his mother. Now this is the moment where you claim to be part of him, but bike guy couldn't suckle. So does and really matter it. So we're actually not the same, because my cheek muscles with two week as a boy to get the milk out of my mother's nipples right. The thing is as far as the first thirty two years of Dimambro's life goes: that's pretty much all. We know just the knitting and the rhythm and when you compare that, how much we know about the life of Say, Jim Jones. That's pretty God dam remarkable right now. It said over
Over again, the Dimambro was a jeweler and a maker by trade, but no never says when he practiced those trades or where he lived or what he was really doing. First, first, three decades on earth. We infer that he lived in southern France from nineteen twenty seven to nineteen fifty six, but what he was doing during during world war. Two is anyone's. Guess, okay What we do know is that in nineteen fifty six Dimambro joined the ancient and mystic of the Russi Cross and thus began a life immersed in esoteric knowledge of the rosy cross. It's don't search it on port hub. That sounds really discussed. It sounds awful yeah, sounds like a prolapsed, you know what yeah I understand, yeah correct up the ancient, mystic order of the Rosy cross aka a mark was a Rosicrucian
order founded in the 1910s by each Spencer Lewis, and it still around still around I mean I just joined it. Yeah like these guys they could best you described is low impact occultism. It's very. Entry level stuff. This stuff is so out in the open. I can head up to the Mork center on a hundred thirty fifth street right now and just get a belly full information hold on so it's been an assload, so there are low impact. The nordic track, of course, is that what's going on here, they are very their belief system is broad it's about leading a more spiritual and psychically connected life to nature and our our place in the universe the russian christian order. It said to be apart of mystery schools that have been around for thousands upon thousands of years, and it's basically since which is I mean we need to do. An entire episode
Rosicrucians like an entire series, because we there's so much to pack to unpack out of the Rosicrucians, but straight up. It's like it goes their lessons. Go from how to balance your checkbook to how to Astral project yourself, play. It's all across the map, yeah. Ok, I mean to give it really broad, review. I mean their main focus is quotes this study of the elusive mysteries of life and the universe offering spiritual, Wisdom, mastery of life, expanded awareness and a sense of connectedness, and all this information is supposedly glean from what they call the secret schools. Good. Lord guys, you know what the irony of all of this is. I'm going to join I am at I'm going to it. It sounds pretty cool. I mean really. I mean a mark they're, not a cult, even though it certainly sounds like one. I mean nobody's making a ton of money off of this, and right seems like it's more just like a fairly innocent for
Colonel Organization. That's been around since the 1700s that once boasted STAR Trek creator. Gene Roddenberry is a member there I mean honestly Henry, you know: Astral Projection, that's pretty cool, but I want to know how to balance my checkbook, but I like these guys. I think it only cost something like one hundred and five dollars a month to join. I'm looking at the application right now. They have to choose you so that that is a little bit difficult, but I mean secrets: are real. That's a part of what it's been around since the beginning of time. This idea of coded information that is hiding essentially parables and ship that is told from generation to generation that hide within those parables real information about the world. I mean people, you could even say that about us is that if you get through all the jerk off jokes on our show right, you learn something sure it's almost If the journey through the jokes makes you earn. The information absolutely see more they're essentially
gigantic mishmash of half a dozen myth allergies and religions, all cobbled together to form one overarching philosophy, but for the most part just what it is philosophy, there's no no money involved, there's no really any one person at the top and noble is having sex because of their association. With a mark I mean, there's got to be at least one woman in Belgium that, if you said hey, I'm I'm actually part mark. She would like Zoo Day long and if you see a jump right on yeah, because she knows that you have the powers of the ancient interest, a more calm, a mark, yeah Mark and since no None of that was happening since there was no money flowing in and out. There was no real power structure and there was no sex. A mark wasn't given Joseph Dimambro what he really want, You say this, but I actually,
and gave him exactly what he wanted. It is a perfectly vague superstructure of beliefs. That would you can then do is take that information and package it so like Rosicrucian order when you, when you join a Mork, would you get? Is these lessons that you're supposed to. Room rate over for an hour and a half each week, and then you essentially take a test and you go through all of the shift and you work your way up the levels, very similar to Scientology, but I think what he realizes that it's be cause of the vacuum of leadership. As that, when you could go in there, create a whole esoteric society and be like holy because your problem be in this room filled with a bunch of impressionable people, both like women with no bra pause on and men with their with handlebar mustaches sure know what Belgium is like. I don't know what it's like in southern France when you sit there just, but you like, I can own all these pitches if I fucking figure out how to make myself the top of the pyramid, and how do I do that, so I just tell
Well, I think Joseph Dimambro, like yes, he was looking for information. He did glean a lot of information from Mork, but as far activities when that wasn't what he wanted. He find something more. He wanted something. A little more dangerous. Okay and so in one thousand nine hundred and sixty nine, when Dimambro was well into his 40s he'd, been with a more for about thirteen years, he'd left and it seems like the lesson that he took with him. Was this the esoteric world is a mashup culture you can mix and match. Whatever you want using the myths, religions and histories of the past, and just so long as you sell it, you can get people to follow you huh, but the had no interest in a philosophical society, he wanted something more powerful, and I think we can infer this from his criminal record at the time he was
arrested for impersonating, a psychologist in France in the early seventies. So we know he had no problem in appealing people. Thank you for coming to my office. Isn't it? How interesting that I could make a therapist office just by putting up a sign, yeah great to be here yeah, you did you just woman. I've ever seen my prescription, for you is to cut off your feet that is too tall for you, sir. I mean Ma'Am third psychiatrist tell me that this week I guess I'll just do that and demand I was also arrested for writing bad checks around the same time. So we know he had no problem with fraud. Okay, Dimambro was primed and ready again his new career, and he did that in nineteen. Seventy three when, founded the center for the preparation of the new age, there's a part of this that it's not that I am it's not that I appreciate the work that showed up
Bro put in, but I will say there is an entrepreneurship to starting a cult that I respect in a way where you look at it where, like on some level, there's the book that we have been reading on this, the order of the solar Temple, the temple of death has a really good breakdown of well. You know when we look at actually, the Knights Templar, what's really the difference between a successful cultana religion right. This is sexual cult, manages to fit in core. Glee into societies needs and the thing that it wants essentially, and there's enough infrastructure around it that then the status quo allows it to exist. Eventually it just becomes legit like you become, you can have billboards, you can do the and a member was trying to mix and match it, but the thing is: is that showing all the the check fraud? Also up on one level, you could say all he was just trying They could tell you made it right, but then the other level is he's a classless, scum bag that will do anything for money. I do like that idea of as a of cult leaders is on,
doors, because in some ways they are- and I would love to see them on shark tank and naturally mister wonderful. He would he would by ten percent of the company five hundred thousand dollars. That's probably what they're about worth. You know can't appreciate. If you could, you know you got to do the math on shark tank in order to prove it, and you have more slap right, just be like and then all you have to do is snip the tip and they're. All like that's interesting. Do you have Proprietary rights to that typically cutting the top of the Phoenix offer. Mister wonderful always takes a royalty also. You know it's ridiculous, while still in France, Mambro began attracting followers by convincing him that he was the real incarnation of everyone from OSIRIS to Moses and those chosen for his group? Well, they just happen to be the reincarnations of famous people too. Don't you want to feel special Marcus just for a fucking sick?
don't you just want to have a mysterious, tiny fat, bodied man with a moustache. Tell you that your special, because I've been looking at you Marcus, see what we've been doing the show together for years. I'm sorry console. I'm do, unfortunately, your last report, your last reincarnation cycle. You were a box to check it if you're, literally as a box of so you doing great but Marcus. Can I tell you? Ok, I think your descendant of Ripley tease and the inventor of the Zap wow. It is amazing, that's incredible! Congratulations! Everyone, who's, always that'll, be related like Cleopatra or like King Tut, maybe you're, just the town, fiddler or the person that called like the magic magic tickler and, like you were crucified for doing that. Just you know, for those information for those bits of information. You guys both owe me five hundred dollars,
Mambro exerted complete control of his followers early on to creating that he was the only one with the knowledge and the foresight to pair his fall. There's in marriage and these people could only have children if and when Dimambro allowed it. This is sort of, can I actually say so, but This is when the center of the for the preparation of the new age was kind of already clicking along until then he was throwing a lot of Rosicrucian should at them and then hit them with. I also can see your life's calls yeah right my mind's eye, we'll deciding when people have relationships and then deciding when they can have kids. That's what really interests of stuff here, yeah extreme. So now. The reasoning behind this was that, since everyone was a reincarnation of someone famous and powerful selective breeding naturally produced the strongest offspring that could usher end. The said new age, how many women were
Marilyn Monroe, that's what I want to know. Can you be multiples, or do you only get one? I think the Demam Bro was allowed to be multiples, but most everyone else could just be one Luke charade to we'll see later and he started pulling the reincarnation bit in Canada and he would switch it up. Okay would do it. He would very often do that. I had the vision last night to death. To you are in a previous life, marrying Marilyn Monroe and the only way for me to prove it is that I have to test it with my penises and then the next morning he'd wake up and she be like, I'm so glad that we had that conversation last night about me being the Monroe and around I'm gonna be bride of the cosmos, and news is like yeah about that. It seems that mind's eye has made the Pacific Blue Pair. You have to leave your kids out there. You know what yeah I don't. Scary people always say I want to come back as Maryland. Come back as Ruth Bader
that's what I said well, what interstate is absolutely true in the snow and jury in he would do that with everyone. He wouldn't just do with him and he would do with the guy. We like hey guess, but last night found out your Moses now you're a leader. And then the next day he would wake up yeah dude, it's you you're oh yeah, come on, let's go and then the next day he would wake up and be like. You know what dude I was wrong: you're, not Moses, guess web in your Moses School I love most. So it's I mean honestly. They sound like a mix between Billy. Alright the greatest pitch man of all time and then just What are you trying to get layed like a pic? It's like Billy Mays in a pick up artist yeah you gotta start somewhere before you become a deity and that's how you start man. This is the Bush leagues of being a god. Ok
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sure with, say King Arthur. Then you got something special: ok, yeah yeah you do and Imam Bro said that he was the only one who knew the path to successful breeding use: the breed master. Ok, I, like the term the breed Massachusetts. I kind of want to just get out what it says like official Breed master license like y'all should fall like back around yeah sounds like the horrible horror movie, where you It's like one of those movies where you just do the cover back in the day, Jess's, and then you put the vhs in and in this case, It would just be a bunch of horse insemination and you're like. Why am I watching this? It was a cool cover, but this is disgusting, so, while Marlboro is had not the center. He started picking up black keys. That would follow him until the end. One of those was respected. Swiss orchestra conductor me gal Doc, Nyc not to Bach Nick, would eventually go on try.
Out in the late 90s for his involvement in the solar temple and there's a lot of regulation as to how much he was really involved, but we do know that he had extensive knowledge of the occult and, at the very least, wrote many of the materials that would eventually be used by the order of the solar temple, ok, so together, Dimambro and tobacco. Took some of the mom followers and moved to Geneva, Switzerland in nineteen Seventy eight very nice is there they re branded the center for the preparation of the new age into the foundation of the golden way. This is important because this is Scientology. Did too it's about shifting shifting, okay, Since I am name steps to Central Europe, even confusing the people that already involved picking up new bit. Basically by
changing the name like member New Pepsi yeah. Some reason you get a blow up every time. You change the name because right goal it all with the hell. Is that in search of these lectures, but also demand bro, very smartly, held out for these type of faith, famous people like Scientology did with it, he understood like. I need respected members of society to be involved in this to bring people into the fold. So if you was a cult leader now he would get in. To grams Norbit French in the news Doug the pug might be able to be a member of the cult of I don't think Doug the pug can be flipped. No, I don't think so either he honest as the as the sun burns b as honest. I We have a story about Geneva Switzerland. My grandfather had a lot of money in the banks. There did it we're not going weird. I wonder why you had to hide all that money. No, it's fine, but it wasn't. It wasn't really that was famously neutral in a certain war, whatever man,
feels weird had a strap, a bunch of money to his body order to cross a bunch of country lines to go put in an unnamed source. But it was before atm. So it was a little bit more difficult back then so now, even though Things were going fair to Midland when it came to dim Ambrose Egyptian based cosmic children hodgepodge. He was missing a hook, something romantic to really capture the european imagination and the hook that he eventually found was the Knights Templar I just messages, flags and yellow ball. Awards is needed and what we need in and out there and we got them yeah. It's cool man super metal that would come in and say funky over the ridge. They got funding to bleed and Jesus on a cross yeah. Everyone scared of I'd, be opening up my beer cans with a guillotine now that it really does sound fun. The night stem
or among the most storied organizations in history, popping up in everything from Indiana Jones the last crusade to the assassin's creed. Video game Series, but since there period of relevance, occured almost one thousand years ago and said, they were a secret society of sorts and since it's just a damn good story, the historical on the knights. Templar is heavily debated, it is heavily heavily debated. We are literally just scratching the surface of a topic that has books and books and books and ducks, and all the and movies also all piled on top of it. Dan Brown is literally drive, in a yacht with wheels, be cause of the Knights Templar they are, the Knights Templar is uh. I want to cover them very, very badly well fully, and we
Well as a part of eventually, we will do a secret school series, if I'm allowed my say for what. I think that you get your be quiet, and I want to see you get yourself. I think you get your yell quite a bit, but of course you make great decisions now, when you're debating this you're not allowed to wear pants right, is that the rule where it's like the debate is begun? Remove your pants and then sit, and then I don't know assume Whitie tighties. Well, concerning the debate, you know, as we discovered, with the order of the solar Temple the fact that the Knights Templar so heavily debated. Isn't that surprising? I mean we can barely figure out what happened with uh secret society that existed only a couple of decades ago. So you can only imagine how difficult it to come to a consensus about a secret society that existed seven hundred years in the past. A true secret society is a beautiful thing, because what they've learned over periods of time? So what we've seen with the free masons
Free masons have a new Netflix Series where they're trying to be super transparent about everything which makes me just trust them even more. It's like the new Pope that, should I hate when you're now? Oh now now nice right, but a part of it is when you create the wall of secrecy, the wall becomes a mirror and then you can put whatever you want on to it and that's exactly what they want, but the Knights Templar is debated because of the workings of it. Because I'm going to see it became way more like Mcdonald's, then the Illuminati, interesting okay. So what we're going to give here is The Occam's razor version of the story to as succinctly as we can get so the Knights Templar were a catholic Miller every order that was established in the year, one thousand one hundred and nineteen between the first and second Crusades back when Christians decided to take back the holy land through trees, long campaign of warfare, torture and murder, but the thing was
taking back. The holy land was meaningless if no one could actually go there. So the Knights Templar were created to escort rich people on holy pilgrimages from Europe to Jerusalem. Now yada yada yada is a lottery on a lot of water, yada, yada yada and those two paragraphs all right so know that, but the Knights Templar were either a group of rapists and murderers that were kicked out in England at the because no one would go right, it was either that it because they have an offer to dole gin, says the people that would go to Jerusalem to fight the crusade to they think maybe they went in. They gave all these guys a clean slate spiritually to go, or it was truly a blood don't know! Yet I don't know. I could have also been like that these were truly pure beings that they were. These were pure. With altruistic christian faiths that
are doing their duty, Twords God, by bringing the faithful to the holy land. I mean they sound like it's exactly it's it's exactly what the Pennsylvania Poker King did. He just brought people to pull it probably just got hammered in a great time it might have already ordered, or it could be, that the Knights Templar were just a bunch of psychopath that wanted an excuse to put a sword through someones throat, not have any consequences. Honestly, that's that's pretty cool you will by the power of Jesus Christ himself. You're allowed you nee, you are. By Jesus to Fuckin', yeah, you just out there to do with booking square helmet. I mean like the name of like leave you and then just hooking slashing open dudes, sucking God so he's like. Oh, oh, go, go, go, go, go and then the guy next to him is like short way. I've asked him to convert first adult will do it and the other side, but even though the night Stempler, we're definitely among the most feared combatants of the Crusades. Only
percent of them actually saw any combat the other ninety percent were administration. Their racket was to hold on to the valuables pilgrims while they were off on their little Jones and while gone. The Templars would charge interests essentially in venting, modern banking, as we know it, and also that's the problem with our public school system, the bureaucracy give more money to the teachers, cut the fat of the top. That's right. This is not This is Knights Templar's time and, of course, these guys add all the necessary secret rites and rituals. We forgot you did Knights Templar was inducted. They would swear to honorable motives that had nothing to do with wealth or fame and if they were accepted, the grand sure we kiss them on the lips neck and belly not time. Sir Kissel yeah of the pure yent.
Revere Reviews, oh Polly, horrible about him, but the thing was, as time and by the Templars got soft by the time. The thirteen hundreds rolled around the arab world have been lossed. The crusades were over and the Templar were little more than businessmen and bankers, but what I heard was, was that they didn't get it wasn't so much soft as it was, they got organized and they started providing a true competition towards the catholic Church in the christian church and they basically, what they did was it basically we're creating a little empire, and then they were creating their own little Blep churches and little bit Russians you doing all this shit, and it's just so happened that King Phillip of France owed
a bunch of money, a whole bunch of money. I would go against the catholic Church back in the day me and they were pretty brutal, and you know I I would say yeah they did. The are two statements are not me chile exclusive, because, yes, they did become extremely organized and they essentially became the establishment, but no longer the large group of psychopaths with swords that they were two hundred years ago, and nobody back then was going to fuck with the Knights Templar and by the 1300s. King Phillip decided. They was not going to be any problem with wiping these fuckers out and that is what we call here on the show moment of uh That's great! That's congratulations! Rare! It's nice records and it's nice, but today yet King Phillip autumn alot of money. He also a war with Edward the first of England going on that was getting mighty expensive. So, in order to
seize the Knights Templar assets and wipe out his own debt. All in one fell swoop. King Phillip declared the Knights Templar heretics and accused them of the from using severed heads in their rituals to having gigantic gay templar orgies. What, Good morning, stinky stinky Templari origins come from the flaps pulled all that metal down just to stab it in there I mean like yes, I happened to see so kiss all the periods Your butt hole is empty of golds out. That's why I shot a cleavage, but it they can. They are allowed to do that now, yeah, they are allowed, but I think it's brave and if they want to do that, they absolutely- and I can tell you after our steaks in OKC, my butt hole is not empty of any love Edward. The first should that just be Edwards. Well, there were and we're okay yeah. If the only Edward they just called King Edward, but then there was like two three four
There's a lot of Edwards Apple think it starts at the second just be Edward anyway, because it will not it does. That tells you that there's a succession of Edward, I see your Mick misunderstanding one day will be dementia, the king Phillip, to bolster these heretic claims. He found a few disgruntled nights and allowed them to testify against all the others, and so one hundred and thirty eight players were rounded up and tortured until they confess to at least one charge, then on May twelve one thousand three hundred and ten king fellow ordered his men to load fifty far Templars into horse carts for transport outside of Paris. There, the Kingsman unhitched horses and burn them in a live right there in the carts.
Lee, putting an end to the Knights Templar. Okay, now to come back. Remember this. This is the story that has been used to fuel order of the solar temples and the I'm the ideal of the d retribution for the night and the con except that they then existed in secret for years and years and years passed on, passed on by secret members of the Knights Templar, and that weird fake fact would be used by cults and various esoteric groups from the generation of this allows them to claim victimhood right, say: we've been persecuted in the past growing yep. I heard a lot about the Romans throwing Christians to the lions. It's like everywhere, and it did happen. It was just long time ago, yeah, it kind of came out on top and and honestly the Chris. It's kind. They spent that whole cachet with. Was it the crusade? yeah 'cause it kind of flipped it and reversed it and became a bloodthirsty psychopaths announced
interesting for a little while for Erica few one hundred years. What's a few one hundred years. Amongst friends, now, of course, it's just the martyrdom of the Knights Templar that makes them attractive to esoteric groups. There's also the fact that you know to put it in the most human way possible. The Knights Templar looks super cool in a way that frankly, appeals to Nerd ok, yeah fuckin' does do this metal shape it's going right there you got the armor and shoot nothing makes a fat man look better than Arma because it covers it all up. Yeah. I mean, of course, Batman, look great dressed like toasters and other appliances yeah it's
it's the ascetic. It is the night money python in the search for the Holy GRAIL, the one that guards the bridge the gets all of his limbs chopped off. That's pretty much the Knights Templar Static, but you make it white instead of black. Okay, I see no dude, and you also have a directed by guy. Ritchie thing is that they get that guy, it's supposed to be a bad! Yes, with spoken, beard hang out of this chain mail and he's got a huge, broad sword covered in the blood of heretics and okay, all right just ask what the hell happened to Guy Ritchie didn't did but didn't, just ruin. The guy, I think you've got a new movie coming out actually supposed to be like a running. Arthur was not brutally bad well, so because the appeal to nerds and because of the whole victimhood martyrdom thing, a research It's in NEO Templar societies founded by intellectuals and occultist, came the early 1800s and by the 1950s hundred These organizations existed throughout the world with many of them claiming
They were being initiated, as Knights Templars from the Spirit world. By ascended masters of the Temple. Honestly, I do get it. That is much more exciting than being Steve. That is it's that's an exciting life to live. I get it an burgeoning cult leader, Joseph Dimambro. Looked at this super interesting mythology that had an attractive built in iconography that was rude. In a familiar religion, Ie Christianity and he said yeah. I was initiated too, ok, well yeah You just claim that you're a and then all the sudden, you are that's the magic of suggestion or for lying. It's also law. Oh you said you had a one way or the other way, because I consider myself a bit of an entrepreneur. Now, Dimambro wasn't the only person knocking around Europe in the 70s. That was obsessed with the Knights Templar another man much.
Younger than Dimambro was about to enter the scene. That man was the second half order of the solar temples, leadership Luke Jure now look sure Ray had, would demand Bro didn't have, which was he had the looks. He had the gumption. He sounded like member in home alone, when they're all in the hotel watching the french television watch to french television shows. He looks like those french act yeah which is like a little unity ship on Kodi. I know I couldn't understand French, but it is very romantic. Very sexy five hundred o'clock stop very calming it. A he's, a low key type of guy, but that was exactly what the need it now, since your ray was a good two years: younger than demam row. We got a little bit more information concerning his early life, but again compared to guys like Jim Jones. There really isn't much Luke your ray. We
born in nineteen, forty seven in the belgian Congo in Africa and what is now known as the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Okay, now we don't what is parents were doing there, but soon after juries, birth, the family returned to their home country of Belgium. I could, I think, it's safe to say they were like community, organizing building, I would assume they were doing. There is no fair well not in in that point of in that point in the belgian Congo they were trying reform, so they were like. There was like an economic growth in like starting in the MID forties up until the sixties and then a revolution came and it became the democratic. Of Congo, that we know and fear today. I see the only thing. We really know about juries. Personality growing up comes from his younger brother, who said that Gerais was a gifted competitive child. Who is an accomplished alpinist by the
time he was a teenager. What is an Albany, not climber say mountain climber, you French, is I'm just I'm just being with the brother said in his early that brother take openness, I'm going to call him an alpinist way to say someone trusted someone who's trying to escape their families. That's really yeah the elves and their help. In this yeah it does sound like we can't you ever see that it live, show the puppetry of the no. I watched him in college yeah. It was quite a yeah. It seems like that could also be called an LP. I, my name is Alpena stock that I am the creator of puppetry the PS. I absolutely, of course it doesn't make a lot of sense. Then, when Gerais reached his late teens We began consorting with a group called the Walloon communist youths. Do they walk backwards? What is the will lose?
That is just it's fine! It's okay! Try to get you over well, I don't know I mean it sounds it like when we say well, Loon like it's different than like, say if your body has a leaking french here, like what you'd come in, if you or your yeah, okay Y Llama, call me in why do on this day. You've come Monday. They do sound like a cult that invented the dock face. Selfie pictures these guys presume, we've made up of made up of a bunch of teenage Belton Comedy after that Jurate, took those communist beliefs with him into the belgian army, where he served as a paratrooper there. He told one friend that you would quote help. Use them to clean out the army. Although I had no idea what that means. All right, I don't know hello because it didn't seem like it work. No, I don't think they they take to it. I don't think they take to a new seventeen year old, communists being like which We don't share the same bar of soap and they're like get outta here,
Following that Jireh attended the free University of Brussels and became a licensed physician, which would become one of res main selling points, because if you can't trust a doctor, then who can you trust in the book we were reading in in the temple of death? Your rate, in a interview with this reporter actively says that the doctors of previous society, which I have no clue if it's real or not we're at the shamans in the priests of their society. So why shouldn't a doctor moved closer to being a priest and that a doctor should have the same level of importance to his flock as a priest does so he both controlling their body and body and their spirit. Soon, after soon after beginning, his practice became disillusioned with the medical profession and set up. Traveling the world in search of himself where he picked up acupuncture and homeo pathy. Now, for those of you who don't know, Homeo
is the practice of treating a disease by giving the patient small doses of natural substances that, in a healthy person, would create the symptoms of the disease. For example, just earlier this year, a boy in Canada made headlines when he was treated for aggressive behavioral problems with the Homeo pathic mixture that contained rabid dog saliva. Why how you get that because if he's aggressive, then you treat him with something in the natural world that makes you aggressive, I ii, rabbit it supposed to a natural inoculation. Yes, some it's supposed to get it supposed to get the body work in its own red or it's on white blood cells. Well, I mean he could have turned Kujo. What are they doing in Canada? It's nice to be in the paper, though yeah. It's a big deal in Canada, well, Essex example would be treating allergies with minuscule amounts of red onions because red onions make your eyes water in the same way that allergies do not young yeah. I love red You know all the all. I did
Well, I don't know, but I I'm not saying it's, but we just does it work or not. I have no real opinion on it. I feel like if whatever works for you works for you, but I guess you should probably vaccinate your kids, though yeah I mean that's probably a big thing with you. I would think so. Polio is coming back. This is a problem, that's bad thing. Yeah now I do know in Switzerland it is a legally recognized in Canada. It's legally recognised, yeah, yeah yeah, I just feel ended up. They wear the same colour done, I'm on the top and the bottom, nothing wrong with a little tuxedo come on. The point is, though, is that Homeo pathic remedies? eventually became Luke, Juray's, bread and butter by one thousand nine hundred and seventy six, You're a had set up his own Homeo Pathic Clinic in Belgium and since the two are closely related Djerassi. Getting in the new age belief as well, usually if you're in a homeo pathy you're, probably in the crystals too. I took the days that you are getting
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I'm starting to amass a bit of a following with this homeopathic clinic. He meeting with other people in Europe who are also in the new age game, and one of those people was Joseph demand ooh, so he had his own little magnolia, bakery going on which we don't yeah Matt Magnolia, Bakery Magnolia bakeries here in New York City. I think it's the magnolia farms just the form yeah yeah you're. Talking about Joe one chip by lows of the silo is not magnolia bigger. We had to explain you in Waco is well, but you are not going to be getting cupcakes. Remember you looking traveling, you don't need all that. We definitely drove How far out of our way, because I wanted to get a shirt for Jackie, I remember kisses- be like Yo Gooses phone. If you go over there, I can get So if a cookie, no, that's not what it is. Cancel. Your to me told me to go through the dummy booking and I was just like no there's not there's not a bakery. It's not gonna, be anything we're just trying to get a shirt and we were
even without fucking two lines around the block. Yes fish. I just I don't like that. Your impression of me is like the fat guy from city blues. Remember that guy good Lord well injure a they didn't join forces immediately. Rather Hombro introduced Gerais to another guy who is obsessed with the Templars that man was Julian, are e, oh man, this fucking guy now Regas is a hard guy to pin down some say that he was a former member of the Nazi secret police, known as the gestapo others say that he was Justin and arbiter for the Nazis, but still did four years in prison for collaborating either way the guys a fucking Nazi. He was a straight up for real Nazi, like no no the new, not see not alt right nazi. He was an action all a uniform right right, okay and white supremacists of all stripes have the Knights Templar for centuries, like moths to the flu
uh. I see, for example, but because These guys are rough. There crusaders right, they take the white man in to the holy Land and kill the brown and a little understated fact about white supremacists and the all right, they're nerve, you are never going there. That's where there were athletes. I love nerds, let's not malign nerd. Okay, I love nerds. The problem is aggressive: evil, nerds yeah the evil nerds which we were he covered with the right will exist. Yeah. I need to be stamped out number one by not them and number two by physical force. All right he's guys her standards Breivik who is one of yes will have to cover him in the future. Yeah I mean Anders Brevik heap. You know who If your member killed seventy seven people in Norway in just one day in twenty eleven claims to actually be in the Knights Templar Icy, he said that he was part. Of a secret Knights, Templar Underground cell, that had members all over Europe and the
behind the massacre was to draw attention to his far right, anti muslim manifesto. That was largely a plagiarize zation of the Unabomber manifesto. He just switched out some words right now. Honors Brevik probably lying about the vast underground network business, but at the very least, graphic loved cost playing homemade military uniform that featured a Knights, Templar metal as its centerpiece and Knights Templar iconography plays heavily into the imagery of quite a few modern, far right groups. I love COS play. I think it's a verbal, when you cause plays daredevil or as kill, shot or something I like sexy. Cosplay too. I like that quite a big military cosplay is a special kind of intense. I want to say the word I don't know any what's another word for a military cosplay. Those people are like they can be scary, yeah? They really can be, but the right wing group always ruin all the it's like the ruin, I'll sutra. Try they take all the symbol.
I mean they they perverted for their own domscheit ends. I hate this shit because it's Templari rules, but I hate that they've been used to do oh yeah and it's been using it as well. The whole day use both saying? Have you heard about that? Yeah yeah? It's all knights, Templars yeah! I see yeah now Oregon. Never did anything close to what Anders Brevik did. His game was a fairly six Paul. Templer based cult called the renewed order of the temple we we know very little about their beliefs outside of their obsession with the Knights, Templar and they're, raping of rosicrucian themes. What we do know Does your rate and Regus got along like gangbusters and your find the renewed order of the temple in the early 80s. At the same time your got friendlier with Demam Bro A
join the foundation of the golden way as well. That was the Monroes called that use running through this became the traveling. Will. Berries have should have ok, so how many culture we dealing with right now, right now, got to run right now, it's just too re you guys and Demam Bro. Okay, we got Lucia raised coal to that he's dragon along his members with well, it's not a call. Blue Kerry doesn't have a call, yet he just has a follow up like he has a small male attic. That's only a pager patients right right now. Lou jury has good customers, okay, but it's not quite a call just yet I see, but besides his affiliation with these groups. Luke Juray was becoming a star in the new age world. In his own ride, his homeopathic clinic was getting more popular and as a concept Jury was gaining his own followers and when jury I realized that he really had something special here. He took his message on the road giving lectures at noon
age bookstores around Europe, preaching the virtues of man, Bro Pathy and ecology, so part of this central tenants were that disease was caused by bad things going into the body and that he also felt that spiritually pollution was created by bad things going into our souls on planet earth. So it started with a really light message about eating healthy, take care of yourself and all this shit, but he immediately's would shift right into this age of Aquarius stuff, saying that the age of Aquarius was coming and the only way for us to make the spiritual jump to the age of Aquarius was that we needed to cleanse our souls and we needed to cleanse our bodies and because, if not we're going to be, he didn't clarify. What would happen is what he did say. It would be best.
Prepare yourself for the jump. He is already planting these seeds, I'm gonna say also I'm just going to go on a limb here: 60s and 70s, the worst pop song age of Aquarius oh: I love that song. I love this is the dawning of the age of my previous. It's always like hot hippie, chicks, dancing and guys with long mustaches kind of Chivia next to him yeah I mean like Inner was saying. I mean this is all pretty innocent stuff in the early days and of course, you know, it's uh mostly positive message and it's delivered by a handsome charismatic guy and so Gerais gained even more followers more like fans. Ok, I would say but in nineteen eighty three origas died Lee, the renewed order, the Temple Leaderless so Gerais, who figured he'd built up enough capital, both in
inside and outside of the order to make a serious run for the throne tried taking leadership for himself, but his run failed. And the Origas family force them out one guy. That was member of the renewed order of the Temple in one of the docs I watch. I believe it was the odd that witness was the documentary series. What he said was that they actually did a whole ceremony. It's like a game. We had the pomp and circumstance do puree into Here then we did dick the switching. We ended the sit there and then the family was like no, no it's like here- try little ceremony going, is literally people going like stop it stop it. Leader. Yet I do not understand. We've already blew the trumpets and it's like no. We can't blow the trumpet
fill out all these trumpet fire inform interested. So he was real, close, really close yeah and a lot of member supported him being the leader and that's when number of got an idea, see tomorrow, he's doing all right, a cult leader, but he was terrible at recruiting. Yeah 'cause there's a little trouble, remembering this little man yeah and he was great at picking up weirdos who are already into this yet right, but he was bad at getting the regular folks through the door. You want to expand the base. So when tomorrow saw that this good, looking eloquent charisma, belgian named Luc. Jouret was looking for a new home tomorrow. Ask him if he'd like to be second in command, a sudden knew he was cooking up and your ray agreed light that'll make an announcement until it may. Finally, we are us I have subsided to take my talents to south fronts,
that's an mba Joe. All I got was that I had was that it joke a broad James Jones was only that only happened nine years ago yeah, so that is, we were at Bobby Bonilla, who has been retired for about twenty years and but now you're always up to two thousand and seven c we're becoming a level fledged straight. So look you're a took him I think the renewed order of the Temple membership and his Homeo pathic followers an merge them with demand. Foundation of a golden way, and that is how the order of the solar temple was born. Awesome and with this merger came an emphasis. Sure the definitely nudged the whole situation from a magical society over in the cult territory. Okay, just remember this. What, with the way this started, was a bunch of loosely affiliated, nerds yelling at calluses, run conference rooms,
started with a bunch of guys talking about the holy GRAIL in the Knights Templar and talking bout rosicrucianism and eating beets in a room like which I can't imagine what that smell buying specially in France yikes. So now they all kind of sat and figure out like what are we going to do because the they took because immediate raise structure? and demand bro understand how we can flex. This is hard to spot. Zagger a sort of became the face with that is that safe to say that is one hundred percent the case yeah Gerais was the face and mom Bro is the guy behind the scenes I see in around time. Your Gerais introduced level
into the mix, which is essential for any money making call. Of course, no. There were three structures that a member had to ascend through to make it to the inner circle. The first was the Monta Club, so this was made up of people that your rate picked up at his lectures. Did you read the testimony? Will It's like going to one of the amount of clubs aridia original meetings. I had a big data, big, what they called a straight up. They called it a pool party or they went out and had these bonfire nights for the soulstice, and it was a big poll. All these nerds the field, and they said the poll was supposed to stand for the poles of the earth and they sat and they had eggs. The little We ate eggs and they went around the pole with the streamers and there she said. Watching it and that some of them think a lot of them got tired Some of them stayed up to watch the sun come up, which was this supposed to be the main crux
of the meeting I mean I know man. It sounds like a perfect meeting for Edith Massey from pink flamingos. A give me more. The introductory offer that a prospective member could subscribe to was an observer membership would let them participate without commitment for three, six months and if they decided to join the price was one hundred and forty two swiss francs order. How many? How many is dollars under swiss francs to dollars, but they want to see him back, but then we have to do it. This is 70s money yeah. Well, this is one thousand nine hundred and eighty four money, one thousand nine hundred and eighty four night lots of new direct, it's a direct conversion cool. So one hundred and forty two dollars
really it's quarterly, so you're paying about a grand a year. I would say a grainy year. That's introductory, though, that's expensive, that I mean, I bet it's a middle class expense and let you get a cape honestly, that's pretty much worth your money right there, I got three hundred dollars for move on and that's all like. I got this time. I got the hat. I got the new polo. I got the lanyard, but now I find out the when I signed up for the v. I p think I get a new v. I p inspector polo and then I get the platinum lanyard mad uh it. Just it's cool yeah, it's very cool congratz is the new shirt. Is it? Is it more breathe breathable, it's worse, it's terrible shirt. No, once people were part of the amount, a club. They would then be in charge of spreading the word by booking more spa
at more new age, bookstores for sure Ray I see, and they would do one hell of a job, as your rate would go on to speak at over two hundred functions in these lectures seem like they would be. You know when you first checked The advertisements is they got. This is typical. New age feel good time because, like this is what one of the advertisement said quote, looks you're a filthy shown speaking on love, an pieology ooh, interesting, she's kind of romantic, but little bit sounds cool. It's very interesting! 'cause! That's what he would do. I mean there's just really before it got sent. Yes, I mean, obviously we it was always a grift, but the thing started as like he. Doing the inspirational speeches and they were trying to figure out really just in the end before they wanted to murder everybody. They really just wanted to control everybody so it's like when you see a sign that says Comedy live comedy night and then you go in and someone it's a prop yeah. This is a little bit a lot. Well, I mean even
it wasn't that dark in the early days, but I definitely had an edge to it, because when you win man are you heard, jury preaching about a college g and healthy living and all that? But the tone was to get a little more apocalyptic. He said definitively that the end of the world was coming and that we'd all be killed by either a collapsing environment or super volcanoes, or both so he's a he's, a fire and brim stone nutritionist in a way which is a rock and roll nutritionist. Ok, rock that diet buddy trusted, but the audience members could have all of that if they followed Luke Juray, of course, the person bought that line Horsh it and joined the Amanti club. They were then eligible for the Arcadia Club, but only those who were deemed worthy were asked to join this level. You could apply for this. You had to be asked,
honestly. This is the U c b this Michael Ian Black and what's the other one, you don't know, Michael you, but no! No! This is it's Amy gets there, it's all them. It's Matt, Besser Nobody outside of New York City knows what the FUCK Ucb is or they'd never know used to be, as in an improv classes are right, there get about it. They know what improv classes. I seen that in several cities- and I think you recognize your improv teachers a little bit and Luke Jarecke Yeah- absolutely not people bought the first line. They be asked to join the next line. Ok, now, once people reached the level of the Arcadia Club, they were given more advanced knowledge. That Gerais said would enable them to move towards a higher consciousness and, of course, the
Rice went up exponentially at this level as well. What are we at now? I don't know I am also we have. I no idea its the. If the prices were, it says, ask the manager, you know where you're fine, yeah, okay so, but we can assume it was pretty expensive, pretty expensive because just like with Scientology each level can I'm with the set of prohibitively expensive books. The outline the theology but the trick is as it is with Scientology. That information only raises more questions, of course, and those shins are only answered if you reach level three on the top level, was the international now hood shovel Rick Organization of the solar temple, which I assume sounds a lot smoother and french. This isn't going to be detail, but I will say you get a you get the cape. Well, yes, we
This is where you get your ok, you get a cape at every level unit, so you could have three capes at this point. We get a white cape at the first level. You get a red cape at the second level and then the third level back, in cape. Do that so bad out? I want from my colt, yes I'm on merch, my white Cape would be just filled like ranch dressing, I see that you have you your turned your White Cape senior Kissell into more of a dalmatian color or the third level came within Extraordinary initiation fee, this is where only the richest and most powerful would be allow okay and it demanded quote unquote: severe discipline ha yeah man, you have they're, not slap Blue Curae every single time. He says something dumb about how to make
This will make your not gay is yeah. It sounds like this. Is this whole level three sounds like the gym. The gym coach in Freddy Krueger, a nightmare on ELM Street part That's what it sounds like extreme discipline, yeah, it seems like this is kind of sexual thing. Well, we're going to get now all the sex afterwards. We're going to get into the sex in the next episode will, or so in need of, like a bunch of really rigid rules. It's quite strange to me. I love it according personal Caleb wins dispossessed. People are. Naturally, people are inclined to be governed because it's easier to be governed yeah. That's what Loki said yeah that's what a lot of phone sex. Usually it's not a bills. Lochia villain, I watched the new avengers in low key is no longer available, yet she helped us when the First Avengers Movie, he was a bill, and that was the greatest political speech in the history of movies. But soon after founding the Temple Gerais's lecture
started taking a darker tone on one swiss radio show he said quote: we all use the reign of fire. If we sing is being concealed, he then started put not audio cassettes of his lectures, including one called fundamental, game of life death, okay, and one of his most unknowingly, prophetic remarks. Duray said this on that tape. Death is the ultimate stage if personnel growth- and this is just the beginning- ending of the order. I see so yeah man he's already doing death. The ultimate trip yeah we're right in like well, I mean I'm like cool so look it all should like that, but I thought were going to astral project, so I like to go into my Ex girlfriends house and see her. Take a shower, and should I don't know man right crazy, now, call Gerais was acting as the face Dimambro,
was behind the scenes, building the mythology slowly creating his own little world of deception, subjugation, sex and eventually, murder, murder, and that's. Where will pick back up next time with the actual beliefs, rituals, members and eventual criminal activities of the order of the solar temple right. Well, this is I'm just going to say, as I said before, wack do you think this is why exactly right, which wacky I wouldn't call this wacky know because everyone is just buying into it admits, metalish it it. We can go metal, but it is just funny to me how it's just so easy It is it's. It's seems easy too easy to start a call to arms. They they had. They had a couple of. Do you have? The amazing thing is that we have no idea how many cults exist, just in city that we're in right now, of course, how many culture in New York City right now how many
I got lost I'm in LOS Angeles. I almost just joined a cold when I was doing yoga, they show up all the time. You never know when this ship pops up, I love colts towel. This is still my favorite of all. This is my favorite new, two of all the true crime subjects right 'cause. You can really get into it. You can see yourself I I do believe in this life. Man you're either a leader or follower right like the Marines say, which I've always related to lead, follow or get out of the way right I mean that's on a t shirt no that will not see t shirt where it says on the backwards. If you could read this, the bich fell off yeah. No, it in no way is that a bumper sticker side by side with the confederate flag. No, no, that is just totally alright the or of the solar temple. Well, awesome stuff part one yeah. This is going to be three part series yeah we do it. Three parts were doing three parts buddy. Alright, let's get this going. I'm talking all about it, and I tell you what I today, you know what I'm
fueled by and I'm a do, a plug for a listener who sent me this. I don't know who sent it to me and the said to while ago, but I've been, I love my spring heel, Jack Coffee, but I just got a man bought coffee. It's real good alright, very good, very good. So I'm about to take a big old ship fuel to this, because I I don't know I can hear this role like pretty sick, yeah. Well, we I mean we were. We were on tour, you know for a week and that you know that, of course, I came back with a cold or so large that it, my top lip began overlapping. My bottom lip a night to remember, We want to thank everyone in Dc. Dallas Austin, ok, see it was awesome. So great everyone was so incredibly cool and honestly we spent a little time in Dallas and in full disclosure. We were a bit like. I wish we had more time in Austin but Dallas. I love the bars out there we had a great time. We got to see the election in Texas lot of sad Badal fans out there, but it was. It was fun, though positive,
well guys positive, overall ram over illicit Abe, Lincoln stopping for all that guys. Just remember if you Parkers can turn Lubbock Blue. That is an accomplishment alright. Well, we had yeah. We had a blast out and then we're going to be in Indy in Chicago next week. I'm really excited to be so cold. My balls fall off. Currently opposite, seventy seven degrees and sunny LOS Angeles. Of course, I'm not for your own slot of reality. No, it's fine! We spent yesterday in twenty five degree, weather and stinging I snow. It was interesting yeah and that will be. What are we doing that the end of the month that you can really November thirtieth in Indianapolis and December first and Chicago also and next week we have to do thanksgiving, so we're not going to be with. You yeah yeah, but we're taking a break but we're gonna. Do it?
hi story. She still gonna come out. We'll do a side story sites or it's coming out. We are going to be up prepping for these next two episodes, the content we have over December, I'm so excited for. We have a bunch of stuff we've been waiting to get to for many years that we have been tackling because a part of its being like I you know. If, if we don't do it, Now. What are we going to do with silver fuckin' dead? So yes, anyway? Well and also don't forget the yeah yeah a little bit of a little bit of plug here. Don't forget! It's Christmas Eve Christmas is coming up. So if you would like some gifts for your loved ones, go over to last podcast March COM, absolutely or last podcast on the left common, followed. The link to the March place. Merch page, We got some fun detective popcorn plushies, for everyone absolutely will be a wonderful little gift. Don't stop fucking that! Well, I don't know who don't fuck them, but part of it is that we are part of that December. Rollout is
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