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you have never been happier side of my ass. It has been really nice, he purchased it furnished any said. He didn't need to change a thing when you showed up. He was so excited because that you, just like they shit, is in Greece. People like you. How can I literal shit inside of my fucking asshole? I'm this episodes going to be spooky. This was so we were trying to get into before the house. wings season ended, but they ended up. We spent too long in the fun world of Paul Bernardo and more I'm now we're here. Were there Are they are at least tangible? Absolutely today's episode its part one and I'm super excited to get into the tail. Everyone seen the haunting picture, but we will figure out the tale behind it. We are discussing Annalisa Macao. Annalisa Mikel was a twenty four year old, devout catholic German who died of starvation in nineteen. Seventy six after

dissipating in sixty seven exorcism rights over nine months, with, of course, in lieu of being treated for her actual medical conditions of epilepsy and depression, but isn't it better to do her dungeons and dragons like symptoms first, instead of all these boring like medical problems who right, because it comes out, do you like it either the dead, all orange oversee? He is really the thing they should a moment money fast exorcisms. The people involved in the exorcisms were subsequently put on trial in Germany for negligent homicide, making it one of them few trials in modern history, with the defence tried to prove that demand

possession, was real in court. That has to be a funding for a lawyer, though, because it's the same amount of proof that, like the same amount of proof, the Casey was molested there is that possessions are real and lady of putting together. The same story really works like this idea that, like the like this is it today we puts it. Every little dry Geiger finally go to trial bill. I daresay they did David, we'll go to jail today, turnout, no, no, no, every single time priests go to jail. Ah, you just see the defence attorney just be like the devil is real life, get my wife image to accept that this is not the guy wanted you to be a stand up. Give me the lawyer said life ever

We're signals and then she's, fine and then really what came down to is that I think a lot of this would have been solved with some well place smacks. I agree with. All of us would have been solved with food just feeding just and also with concerning the lawyers like it- doesn't bode well that the defence lawyers also defended affair. I have not seen during the Nuremberg trials. Ah now you know it was probably they pay good money and honestly they argue that point. The Nazis had become job creators near I'm sure they d get paid, pretty good, People dying during exorcism is not a common thing in modern times, at least when compared to middle ages, when any mental illness or mysterious neurological disorders might be blamed on demonic possession. I dont tell that to the Nun was tortured to death in Romania in two thousand and three is an antenna.

I'm just saying not common, not never happen. I mean tat the to knock, who tat not cool racism. Dna see, you don't know who this in Romania, and there was this the story of a bunch of other priests that went to jail for starving, a nun to death who was tied to a cross in a basement for a week them where they were trying to clinical stop her from self harming and we'll get into I'll talk a little bit more detail about this as we go through the exorcism of Annalisa Mikel, because when it comes down to it, there are. There are a lot of similarities and its difficult when you have a screaming rising foaming woman, saying I don't. I don't want hey she's, not just like your model, girlfriend renown oak tree and indeed and she's bite new kicking screaming being generally violent persons very difficult, can't get within six feet of our little

whirling dervish and she's fucking, trying to pluck out her own eyeballs. It's not even exaggeration, like trying to bite. Tongue off, to punch it herself in a face cotton herself doing this country. It is really difficult when you are just a sad, long beard, priest, Now Annalisa Michael's possession came at a very particular time in the history of the catholic Church in the context of what was, on internally with the Catholics goes very far in explaining, why the exorcist were so stubborn, with performing exorcism after exorcism on Annalisa C and ninety six, to about ten years before Annalisa death. Pope John the Thirteenth formed an economical council to institute reforms to the Catholic Church, order to bring the church into the modern age, because the Pope was that the modern world was leaving the church behind

They were going to let altar boys shave their pubic hair, which I think is incredible. It's incredibly caught up after three years of discussion, the council produce sixteen documents. The proposed significant developments in catholic doctrine and practice, including, for example, decrees how the church can use mass media before the turn for not yet like world, will not we're staying away from radio saying with tv staying with him all that after this ecumenical council, they like we need to use these pieces of media in order to get the word out as that why our new friendly Pope did that stupid. Tik Tok video, where you like, through there and then he appeared on the other side. You ve seen these tiktok widows, whether throw cloning and Pierre on the other side, and in that it entails a public talk, did it, but this is where I don't particularly care to think of the Pope disrobing to beyond,

at some, so happy, Tik Tok has been used for the wrong reasons. Maintaining he's got one. Those hyper bet penises. I was watching this commercial last night that was bent carrot, dot com and it was these two couples you know like in those commercials where they like look at each other and they just smile and up, and this one dies holding this crazy like twisted up care, and it was supposed to be about having super super bet, Dick you better be bent in the right direction, but in the whole about you have to cause. I guess your dick and keep bending unbending if it's already bending to extreme, so it's all about series of injections of they put to the shaft of your fuckin cock, and then they have to pull on it. I looked up. They have to pull on generating out like gets up. can leg like gives them the descent, and we have had a delightful beginning, smiling. Seven, it keeps saying like new sexual occurrences can happen up to six weeks after the injections, I've gotta be years. I have sex if you put three hypodermic beetles at my dear

a bit of a non sequitur there, but more important or get there are. Basically, this ecumenical council was looking at the catholic churches rules the way some people look at the United States constitution as a living document. That's supposed to shift and be reinterpreted with the times now wasn't like new thought, like these Do you like? No, we can actually change shit like we should actually look at this like we are our modern corner called modern people. We should be able to move into the future. They were just They were gonna lose money if they weren't cool in the eyes of the kids. So they're like we know what to do, stop fucking them start telling them. The devil is inside of it, but it was like also its might saying hard core for the fortune audiences when using Well, basically, like the churches, rules and regulations iser, they hadn't really changed that much in about a thousand years. This was the first big. This is the first big redo

in a millennium now most in the church agreed with these changes, which collectively came to be known as and again, to find many learn about again to Vatican. Three is the best when they adopted a man that one really fantastic. I love than on its rate. Would would people don't knows at popes at the sight of contract we have to agree to be in up to Vatican Three hundred and fifty I did I joke, but there were many in the church who believed that change from the old ways, would weaken the church and make the fight against evil and the devil that much harder is Yeats. Ironically, it was the truest but first, the ones who believed that the devil was a very real presence on earth who interfered in the lives of human beings who are ensuring the people left the church in droves, but these people, the conservative hardliners, believed that the changing

of catholic Doctrine would not only ensure that the world became the domain of the devil, and it would also anger God in the old testament style. Honestly, kitty evaluate at some point that, if you have to like Walker out you're, like my dad, was about alcoholic, we were not allowed to make any sort of noise and the house untold like a whenever was time for dead arouse himself work tribal. What is God have to be like that? I think there was a good alcoholic number one God you know, he's drunk. I was good at it. He was who is be bad at it that's the metric balloon bad bad bad at it is Graham Parsons Grandpa sit down. I because totally, which is no one, be alone. Listen to records. Henry's father was just that a father. Let's not forget in active, please

these are without a relaxed enough to do his job enter LISA Mikel when hard line, Servant of catholic german priests were made aware that a young devout catholic woman was being tormented by the devil in clinging Burg. They jumped at the chance to intervene absolutely and she had the Calisto flock. looks, did they were looking to me? Their new cover girl, good reference. After years of examination, the priest began poking the boy air, making Annalisa condition bar worse. Eventually, they came to the conclusion that this was a case of atonement. Possession not demonic possession, but that basically means is that they believed that God, heads

a whole host of demons, including emperor, Nero and Hitler on this innocent young girl, because he was angry about the reforms of Vatican too and was trying to get the world's attention. It makes very little sense or get them. can promotion to deem yet be Hitler. Pineapple shut up his ass, like it in in the movie with Adam Sandler no I'll with Little Nicky yeah Little Middle EAST, possibly there Gary Visible, to me. There isn't your pretty faces. Gonna help law question because comes down through that What should our on one side and the, in demons are on the other side and I won't fucking have it you're not to mention you know we talk about her being too wanted. My imagine Nero Hitler having to hang out those two egos inside the same body, light ever Mario Vitaly, I guess not anymore, it be like Heaven, Gordon Ramsay in the kitchen with my mother, when the vote

thing about the Hitler Demon is that one of the priest later said when they were, as during the exorcisms Hitler would come out every once in a while, and all he would do scream high over and over and over again, and the other demons would suffer, sadly, make fun of Hitler. Say I you never says anything of substance that only which, as you know, I guess apart. It shows you like how much, These things really are influenced by culture, because this is Germany in nineteen. Seventy six lot of people are still very angry. Hitler in Germany and nineteen seventy six I really do for about contacts, it really did patch more punch back in the day, and I do like that. They just criticise them like he is Jeff Fox worthy. Just like you. if you're not the like, literally just everyone, the same old bits but now might be addicted arrive, but of course Hitler is still hated universally there. You right here ain't what these priests believe.

They could prove the Annalisa was being possess because God was angry about Vatican to than they could go to the pope and show him. they were wrong to change anything and since Annalisa was herself a devoted conservative Catholic from a family who felt the same. She provided. The other end of the feedback loop playing the role of a possessed person to both appease the most powerful. any figures in her world and her own deeply held beliefs see. This is something interesting that I think that what were hitting on here, because the Bishop had to give permission for this whole exercise and obviously we're gonna go into the details of how this ran up at, but I never really thought that way until you pitched it like that about this idea that, like they also had a thing at stake here, is

I'll write catholic Church was looking for somebody that they could also use as an example and a lot of times exorcisms. I was reading a really interesting. I bought a textbook because I was looking for scientific exerting for scientific approaches to access this one thing I found called the social scientific study of exorcism in Christianity- it's very dry, but that it was kind of talking about that about how the these types of exorcisms have been such an intrinsic part of this, like every religion, has a form of excess of movement in christian shit. It really does pin down the law You're right, I really does help be like no. Our shit is real and has like its proof, the devil, Israel, and we can prove it as it was then we'll get it more into it, but so did Annalisa enjoy this process. In the beginning, when You wish it when she was the price they get. The now- and I know Erin I enjoy enjoy, is never a word. Ok

like one possess. This is so cool. Now we get to prove that the devil is real and I happen to be the one to do it had no to do with it. Ok, Lastly, another no she's, not the fucking character. That would create for a comic book leg of his visit entirely debt visit entirely different, it's much more human and a lot more complicated than that Annalisa had accepted her death. An inevitability. By the end, it was an atonement for the sins of the Youth of Germany. Basically was her job to starve to death, while a small crowd of priests and family members watched her. Do it over the course of nine months all because he and the people in charge thought it was necessary, and I have to do this. I have to do

it's a kind of like she did become an embodiment of martyrdom energy away. I don't think she started that way, but you have eaten viewed no, but she viewed it as over time as like. This is my purpose in life, which is really it's fucked up. I think that's one thing that we'll talk about a lot on the show about this, like weird completing the loop thing of what possession is Ryan like when it comes down to it like how many times have we try to pin down whether or not there are demons? Most people say that there are not actual corporal demons had come from another dimension and take over your body, but there is such a constant societal like they think, there's been possessions and exorcisms in every form of human society, and there is something about this because its expectations coming from being raised in a specific world and then kind of like all right now you have to act possessed and we have to act like we're on possessing your hands,

whistling the medical system is deeply flawed lie. That seems to be the main problem is that they get the right diagnosis. Will I ever you fuckin pussy? I mean really she dead we'll get into that. It wasn't the cheating get the right diagnosis. It was that she didn't, except that, because Annalisa suffered from epilepsy, starting in nineteen sixty eight eight years before her death and nineteen. Seventy six epilepsy is a lifelong condition that can be hard to accept Anna leases case. It might have been easier to believe that she was temporarily early possessed rather than permanently afflicted. It's just so sad. Well, that she had nine months of starvation. In Germany, the best food the bulgarian rats robs the brass that there are still issues pills nurse you mean that Jesus. With a little blue desert in Deep Indiana

Gary highlights, but so that Beautiful Germany, and so, with all of these factors at play, an Some mecca slowly died over the course of not just the nine months she endured exorcisms, but that eight years in which she convinced herself that formalities were not physical but spiritual. In other words, this story is one of a tragic, slow burn it it's like sludge, metal of real low low, he blow eat and it gets hotter and hotter and hotter as it goes some Terry Shiloh vibes as well. I can imagine how traumatic it is to watch. Somebody suffer through starvation of resources on the series we ve got an elite nickel, a true story of demonic possession by Lawrence Blank and the exorcism of Annalisa Mikel by felicitous De Goodman, both at their merits. But for the series we used

want, but more, I will say, also didn't really understand. Just how bad epilepsy wasn't told you did your joy division, serious for no dogs, and I will listen to that and just that idea, like managed not being able to trust your own brain richly, analyse. As you will see, she tried so many different things and nothing really cut the mustard and in terms of treatment for her They also get Germany and great mustard as well. It's the right souls are so good. Oh hell to Venus Nestle, so Annalisa goal was born in legal thing: Germany, on September twenty first nineteen, fifty two to two devout conservative Catholics named ANA and Yosef, not not by this point any episode you might have noticed that have used the term devout conservative Catholic a number of times yes

but because the depth of his family's belief and the depth of their communities belief could not be more important to understanding how all of this came to be dot. Priests were the only Catholics upset about the changes to the catholic church. There were also many Congo Hence who believed that the devil was gaining ground? Dude Vatican too, you fucking, throwing out I'm meeting at the present moment aging that agenda switch the devil than we think in his lucky stars. The Catholic exists. Otherwise no one would believe in ownership and analyse his parents were just such. people and since Annalisa was a very impressionable conformist. She believed this as well. Even She didn't necessarily understand it growing up. She knew the Vatican to his bad right now. Anna leases, Father Joseph had

to become a priest when he was a young man but didn't have the brain for Latin, so he went to trade school until the age of twenty two world war, two broke out on Joseph was drafted to fight for the Nazis. In both the West an eastern fronts BC. That's why it, although shows us, whenever single one of those will or two shows it, shows like the two young guys ran like they have sex of nazi prisoner and in your sit near new, and he says like cigarettes and like a ghost ya ya, they always have the same scene, but I did not understand the data board partners on the other side is work our if we all die, no lives, it. Never gonna get municipal by nineteen de Joseph had married a woman named Anna and they started a family together. and the small mom town of clinging Burke, whose name roughly translates an English too Blade mountain

What we now know. It'd in rural Bavaria. Clingin Burg was conservative and predominantly catholic. That is where the first white people came out of the ground It goes mountains in stages, gaiety, just popped up when the children of clinging Burg, our young, there taught the story of Doktor fastness hostess made a pact with the dead who then murdered fastest by tearing them limb from limb and splattering, his brains against the wall, so the devil. This is not in the pact. Double there. Never was any more. Do you want to do in that game of bananas, money though I didn't know it was? You have to be torn in hand? Radio, S, yes, it does say that children are also too and analysed this day. In the latter, half of the twentieth century mind you that witchcraft was real,

and the reason why there weren't witches anymore was because they had all been rightfully killed in olden times so fuckin sir, what nineteen, thirty nine to forty two dude. I love this type of shit. This is like you know again, as Elapse Catholic now satanist. This idea like these things, but I got hit up real hard over the weekend by a member of my family. My aunt who asked me why do I do what I do right literally out? We like. Why are you into what you're into at I think a buy outs like I just It was like ballpark, this clubs or off. It was like it's because I was raised Catholic and then they all I gripped their shirts Roy. What could this funding will have the effect delicate like its he'll, get up on, but it really comes down to it s like it's. This idea that you believe in the literal truth of all of these supernatural things announce the all of this. Is the devil

and which is in all the being real. It's fuckin awesome, often untold accordingly in politics in the nineties, every little Venus is also behind, but if anyone ever asks do like, why are using this? Does it take up your shirt? Show em, don't let go my body is bought. I have seen it looks good enroll, garb gharra, but by Ben I am better in tube shape. Clothes were Annalisa, was further taught that there were some will women possessing evil powers skulking around who could make life miserable for good Christians with a well placed curse and that well placed a curse could result in demonic possession. This is a school talk while in modern times designate this is nineteen sit like early nineteenth sixties, early, the mid nineties sixtys when all this shit, he'll being taught in rural Bavaria wow. This sort of thinking was fairly,

common in bavarian Catholics who could be compared to modern, fundamentalist american Christians. American Christians are taught lots of wacky shit tunas, nay, oh yeah. These bavarian Catholics believes that Rome, had liberal political views, your honor to the right of Rome. I don't like what you want like how do you even eat food gives? You like taste is for every time you take something that is God you get one single demarcation on your soul. Oh yeah, that India is a bit of a history with fascism is a lot of interesting. They would think it was robots and the bavarian priest for the most part took pride in holding onto uncompromising catholic traditions. They were so hard line that they were aghast when it was decreed that priest should place the Eucharist into the hand the congregant, instead of directly on the top

because this lesson: the power controlled dynamic between priest and common person, Priest Bank, ITALY or precinct earlier. I just have a question so we're spots put in their hands. I had actually been doing more of a mouth to mouth. So I got a little cracker, it's an oyster. Could we use and urges oyster crackers? Kazakhstan? I put them. more than that I tongue it into their mouth. Is that still allowed? There were some this I honestly my my church. These guys were so like devout. They were so into it that my father, Thomas, you stood up. to mouth transference, cohesive, appointing university, very Tipp of his minas and that's the way to intimately Catania. My priest used to call that star bursting area, everything he has not only Irene eyes. They used to do that in church. Obviously, catholic school, you, you get the Eucharist in your head, but then everyone, similar to the same goddamn goblin, they have the same. Little was called goblet. The got lag. Is God bless you gotta go

challenge. Naturally, during cold and and everyone got sick, get it off and it also they all got cold do the same way when all of that burst of covert that happen in South Korea. Unlike always, it came from the christian places there wouldn't shut down because they had you all suck out of the same like bottle of left over. Why, after each other, but you no good for the environment, though isn't it No single use plastics. Here, men deposition, you on your knees in front of a turn priest allowing I really is it just so sit so like I hated it's that same view, it's the view from every two fucking still from a porn, we're like it's a girl with your mouth wide, open your tongue, aghast you an idea. How do you pronounce the Hague I don't know that these are all high gal. It is they face that it's the port and face that's on the internet. Now, when the woman sticks are, out and roll up our high gal. I didn't know that The term for it, oh no idea, I'm sorry.

What is the creation documentary serious? Ok, please, Lord enough, now the rigours Annalisa Nicholls body, were put through over the course of a sixty seven exorcisms would have been a challenge for even the healthiest woman but Annalisa had always been a sickly person before she was five years old. She contracted mumps, measles and scarlet fever. These illnesses were used by Anna Leases, mother Anna as an excuse to keep her away from boys lest her delicate constitution falter, but LISA wasn't the only Mikel girl to live under strict rules. She had three sisters and every single one of the mickels went to church every Sunday and frequently on the weekday evenings between This was all under the command of their father Joseph who,

Many rural bavarian men made most of the decisions for his family and believed that each and every member owed him their obedience. But what about the women with the big breasts and all the signs? Where do they go the way they are still in church there? There are those buying or even fuckin, mommy makers. Think at the big, clear stance and stop being like what you think should be like that. That kind of bavarian, though we know just gonna, different different, why is it nobody? They reflect it leave it out at churches. Well, or do they need to put a napkin over? It know that don't let their cleavage out a church we put on it everywhere. I delete the Germans, have always been very accepting the large bosom another wraps they're allowed two or four Annalisa part. She conformed completely She was not rebellious in any way whatsoever and her ambition in life was in fact to teach religious studies which is about the closest monkey.

yet to being a nun without going all the way. I twenty you even say going all the way and didn't like reference to it, not because the only thing they don't ever get to oh, they drew it. I mean. You know. I've said it worthwhile sure, they're always says or another will, together her families, conservative care. The beliefs and her communities, belief in supernatural, evil came together to create the perfect recipe for demonic possession. All needed was a spark. Natalie does a good job in spawn talking about these contextual cues, about the reason why people don't were Bell is because, when your entire context is set for you, like Europe, put in a world where you are put into a subjugated position by member states, a patriarchal system and you're told to do certain things, so it's like Annalisa was like never taught in any way shape or form that you could rebelled because you actually under the watchful,

never ceasing eye of a present god that will immediately will, by definition, you're never taught how to repel. That's the whole point. Four billion, may you know I need you, could see it, people who see reference to adults. I can quite understand you get out of here in the middle of Barbarian, Germany. I don't know if it's very difficult things very difficult and do something that would be rebellious, but I ask I think that some people are conformist by nature. Some people just absolute eleven media, some people to death. Love at Yahoo. Gives you guidebook ahead alive and you ought to me you can do you have to make it up as you go now Noah Annalisa was sickly as a young child. The real problem started around the time of her sixtyth birthday in September of nineteen sixty eight. She suddenly lost consciousness while sitting with a friend laughing it off later as over exertion, but that night the real terror began at it. Yeah fuck it

I don't think I've made a very good Henry. I just thought I do love possession stories. I can't get over it. I mean we technically covered this like a million years ago, but it's nice to get the detail about it, but I'm always fascinated and I listened to all hour and a half or they have the recording of our various exorcisms and she is grouchy, but midnight Annalisa woke up and found that she couldn't move an unknown force pressed on her stomach pinning down, and she was unable to speak to her sister next to work to make the horror known. Finally, she lost control of her boy. her and was then able to move about us. This sounds like sleep paralysis, right merlot, considering how people have interpreted sleep paralysis as visits from Incubus and secular D. For centuries. It's easy to see how Anna leases thoughts turned toward the diabolical Ernie, much immediately sure we'll how many Nor is we have of shadow people, shadow forms, the tall hat man, the PLAID manly people. Seeing these things in the middle of soil.

paralysis. Congealed man, don't you ever say, did you ever fucking say, but you know they that that idea guided to be kind to go hand in hand, because there's something about being also on the verge of sleep and you, your brain, being an dream state and you see the levels. But really this moment a paralysis was actually the beginning of Annalisa Nicholls Epilepsy. What She was able to move again. She changed your linens told her mother would happen and continued with her life for nearly a year with no incident. In August nineteen sixty nine at least I had another black out and again she had paralysis. That night her arms went stiff, like they would go dozens of times to come, stretched out in a way that was said to resemble a cat stretching its pause sits careered, but I know that, but up see, so it's not creepy. Sorry, it's not! Yes, it's creepy it! Well, it is actually it is. We can be both

none I mean you know it is what it it's ok fear David did. You do go through some like that yeah, but I guess in the context of you know, when every screaming that its demons over and over and over again it's me, it's gotta context to it becomes creepy especially when a demon sorts using you like a ppp accordion approach. It gives a cohesive methods unanimously alone. European. I drink a lot of water before I go to sleep with a rubber ducky in a tub. Despite how it me seen by the way the Annalisa Mikel story has been told over and over again the missiles did not amend ITALY run to the church with tales of possession? In fact, it took years for the clergy to ever get involved. I'm not going to give her parents a lot of credit, but they don't see a bunch of doctors, when Annalisa was struck with another bout, a paralysis she and her mother took her to a doctor to examine her condition and they were eventually four to a neurologist named Doktor, Siegfried, Lucy, I want every neurologist to be names. Agree

but when Doktor Lucy Rights the diagnosis, a neurological condition and a Mikel told Annalisa to keep it to herself. If anyone found out and rumours might spread, the Annalisa was crazy got around enough. She might not get admitted to university and in this enemies his mother planet, a seed of stigma and analyse his mind and this destructive com would have a huge effect on how Annalisa what approach both are epilepsy and her subsequent mental illness in the years to come, because when you go to university in Germany, that's when your breasts get bigger and they give signs and then you having come a thing that forbear. They do beer handling universal lot, indifferent! There's Lovelock scientists, indifferent guy people. Otto we'll get Angela Merkel that led by re? Was a scientist actual didn't Germany link that the carbon vaccine

We do in ever more like it. I like and use velcro jealousy twelve. I just feel I've been on the road. I know you been alone for a little while, and I feel, like you have the circum session today with No, no! No! You didn't I'm thinking about Germany, and in one s about anyway, Deanna LISA. nothing more than to become a teacher, and she believed that she, if she was ever seen as mentally defective or if she was ever committed to an end the Tunisian. She wouldn't be allowed to fulfil her dream. Therefore, once things We started going wrong. Demonic possession was actually the more comforting. Diagnosis is enough. Fucked up that is really true, be clearly horizontal because they don't really understand Ike epilepsy. They try to how to control it, but then, like once, you get demonic possession it becomes like guy not handle this

We get MAX on seed out in that year that you can play it away. I mean a girl you can have, and you can also put it in someone else's hands like have a priest gun you do it pray this away fix this. For me, but at the same time that Annalisa was starting to have seizures, which is hard enough to deal with her overall health was diminishing as well. She could pleurisy and ammonia and spent two months in the hospital there. She had a third paralytic attack, but this time the experience morphed into something far more terrifying, yeah scraping like exorcist part three. I think that old place in a hospital, bread or air Better Patrick Ewing, Patrick you and again as one and only act irrelevant majority was also in it was in the first base Jem as well. Mr Lee was beginning to see figures of Patrick doing. That is incredible, but it does. Turnout was just training. It was this summer time we are a little bit harder, but anyway, that's

Others Annalisa began visions of what the Germans call frighten, which are grimacing ghastly faces. Did you look it up? What do you got in rotten? What I mean I I mean I am familiar with threats in its creepy yeah. Would it be similar to the face that you see in the obviously it's a fake thing, but the russian Sleep experiment, Like that kind of phase of the programme. Economical looks like yes, there long smiles far too young smiles, it's it's So, like you know, and the exorcist Demi, we can use the exorcist as a pretty good reference at some point here and there, but you know the demon. Keep showing up throughout the exorcism Lange that that's that what are the areas? Where did I see it? The thirty million that we could do to you. All that, once these epileptic visions began haunting her think epileptic goals, the right word epileptic.

however article she levelling, she began to believe that she was empty inside safe and a devil, and engagement of fire was coming for everyone around her now somewhat common for epileptics, particularly religious, once to see their condition as a punishment from God. For some sin they ve committed proof that their wicked, to wit, that belief that God is punishing, you can be similar to feelings. One gets from depression, I e worthlessness self loathing and a general feeling of lost hope Furthermore, when you see the footage of epilepsy patients being medically induced into seizures, it looks like every description, demonic, possession you ve ever read about. It's really interesting. If you watch footage of epileptic seizures, because people do the hour, back to hold that people can look agreement. They can appear as if their levitating, because they can literally

They use their body in a wave and like bound up off the bed, so people to know how you get that fuckin height, but it really depends on your core strength to begin with before you get into the epilepsy- and that is true, I know that's weird thing, but her lack her sense of emptiness was really interesting, because I reminded me of the letters that mother Teresa was writing like dubbed, basically what came out after the fact will one day will do our episode. My absolute him. We don't like a scam or lost ass, but, like she's talked about this emptiness, which I think is really interesting, I wonder if that's just such as common thing, that people that believe they have a very close relationship to God that they're kind of locked into this feeling like it's like I'm with hidden, I'm I'm I'm in a viable viable with God do be twenty twenty one about it, but it's like you can then also twenty daily mine recent. So twenty twenty- why don't know I don't know I mean

we're didn't get more sense of emptiness is like on my co pilot is not just a bumper sticker. It is the added value that southern in terminal cheese experiencing strain of depression and that's what happened like you know. What I'm some of the things that I watched about epilepsy is that you know epilepsy comes first and an unreal, its related, but unrelated, It's not like physically related, but epilepsy is extraordinarily difficult to live with extraordinarily difficult and a lot of times. Depression coms from realising like of this, is something that I have to deal with. My life is forever altered

an Annalisa was starting to become that certain like she was starting to come to the conclusion that this is something forever, but she didn't want to believe that it is something that is, that was gonna last forever and she was experiencing hallucinations outside of the threats, and she told her doctor that she experienced terrible stitches that smell to her like burning fecal matter, which that burning, fecal matter will become a running theme. Threw out Annalisa experiences, am I think, correct in saying that it seem like her family would also sometimes smell the fucking. Do do you smell like they would also slowly who were all in on it could smell the burning fecal smell the people who were not we're like. I have no fuckin cluett you're talking about ok, it could have just been they. The european lack of deodorant could be

perhaps your maybe it's. The new candle from goop money is Poohpooh needs to do this. We have another symptom of epilepsy. Basically, epilepsy is an electrical short circuit in the brain. If it shorts out your motor functions, you get stiffness in Turkey if it affects your memory function, your memories get scrambled, but if it affects the sensory centres of your brain, you have hallucinations that can be auditory. Jewel and I'll factoring? Furthermore, if a seizure tweaks the same part of the brain again and again, the solution

nations will be more or less the same thing. Every time hence burning fecal matter, showing up again and again and again, that's like why, if you open up a dude head, you could stick your finger and the same like part of the brain and like his legal shoot up or like like his penis I'll, get hard. I warn you didn't ya, know, but the last one but sure, but can you not do? That is not true that you should collect? None in the brain stuff where it is at work, but doesn't work like that? You might be thinking of a cartoon, I'm not used to be maligns beside him aligned. I know I'm here, I'm not a scientist and those solicitations can be long enough for people around the afflicted can share them. If they want to believe hard enough people saw heard in smelled, they wanted when they were around Annalisa Nickel and eventually everyone, with the proper background of belief, experienced the burning fecal.

Smell as well. Wait wait! A second, no Gary you're thinking about citrus fruits, and we made manifest in the smell of burning showcase, talking about another good smelling thing again year out of a girl bureaucratic, all right, I guess it's part of it. I dont like jasmine, but I think, that even alike it after her third epileptic episode. Annalisa was given an e g scan in hospital, but nothing was found just yet that might indicate homo brain activity, so she was prescribed in Anti convulsive in discharged with somewhat of a shrug. Ah now MA am thy grows, givers Mandy convulse and see what happens, but her sisters notice that are personnel. We had changed where before she was a sweet bavarian, young woman well on her way to Adulthood Annalisa was becoming moody. She was quiet, withdrew from a friend

and only wanted to talk about religious top. Yes, she, but you really become kind of two did become a bummer. in a way, but it's hard because they you you are seeing, could include proof of what you think is God in this type of thing, in your life. So I imagine you become obsessed that and then also like the same of the sort of the idea of like ya. Don't get me any more kind of what I'm going through on the insight in religion exists in the unexplainable right. That's why people find it. They try to put an explanation for the unexplainable, and in this case I beseech you to release her sickness till the villain with God. then things got worse when Annalisa told her mother about the fraction instead of going the medical route Anna and Joseph began seeing the symptoms as something supernatural as enemies, his mother, Anna put it the priests were always talking about Satan and how he was always trying to tempt every one and it seemed to them like this was exactly what was happening in their own home.

and then, when you said earlier, elected Annalisa joy some of it. I don't think she did. I think her parents, though, did tests of at at some level did enjoy that proof of La Growl man. It's happening to us this thing that There were three analysing it we're special it's happening to us, prefer gas. We are to give the Ramsay family was like wow. I believe that our basement and now we're celebrities we're on some level we're on the tv I'm running for Congress. A cover story from job right is idea that, like your chosen to suffer a specifically for God, symbolically, like you were George using you and again because again, you're then chose it I think what I think the missiles, of course, would never choose this over having a happy and healthy daughter. Of course, not that's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that I think that, once the possibility Kane that they can be one of the chosen people, one of the special people that God touches, whether it be next

or positive. I think it appealed to them and I think they encouraged and gay. You could have made her professional basketball player that would have been nice. I don't anything over the next two years Annalisa suffer, for more seizures and was prescribed various anti convulsions. She was given were easier that all came back normal, but the blackouts demonic faces and burning fecal smells cap showing up eventually Annalisa said she began here. Knocking sounds in a room and before long her sisters were also. tat. They were hearing knocking coming from inside Annalisa Closet under her floor and above the ceiling. Can I just be me for a second say that, like I do believe right? Obviously I, if you like, there's a medical basis all of us but the thing that I'm always gonna, keep it and why. I always think that if you live in a certain head space to be manifestly certain reality, things start to pop up like this rightly things. Do you begin to fill it out on your own through, let's say, psychic projection

like. Maybe there is a way that she'd like what we see in poltergeists activity. These types of things were a young woman, who's got ya filled with blood. She gets all mad and shit right wherever up her head, her upstairs gets all being boggy right. She then her uterus or shoot now mind waves right out and all this all true, but they do that. You can re poltergeist activity from a physical problem like from inside of you than I think it's interesting. I think that the idea of like weird activity being around this and makes a lot of sense. I mean I don't I marry me brother, probably not I gotta get, you know it's just them. Just try to engage in. My friends, of course, of the visions of demonic faces became more frequent and the hallucinations

sad increased. There were now voices telling her that she was to be damned to hell forever and, while Joseph disregarded these claims Anna said that she saw her daughters. any before a statue of the Virgin Mary, her eyes, jet black full of hatred, how there is symptom of epilepsy, of the dilating of the pupils. Maybe something I got. Isn't there something along that? Because you do you can have this hour, but I believe maybe I'm incorrect email side stories. Lp ideology Imelda come to tell me how just how incorrect I am. I do believe that certain types of mental problems like idea of like when you're seeing things you eyes do react like when your trip and balls to write like how like pupils open up and then you kind of sea, more shit, your periphery LE vision increases It says here that there is a bad. There seems to be like anecdotal evidence of people saying that they their pupils dilate, you now quite large one

There are now when they have seizures and an epileptic episodes, and things like that. So that could be said that could be part of it. Now I only said did try to reach out speaking to a doctor and nineteen many three about how she was living. A life of apathy filled with suicidal thoughts able to perceive but not experience, life. This is textbook depression, but instead of getting her treatment, her father Joe, of tried more God and went with her on a group bus trip to the sand on me. I know monastery in ITALY without special to her. She loved the sand. Damianus monastery likes you would go like that's like that thing. I think we talk a little bit but during our black death series about the idea that there were like there are places that people are trying to set. You got two, especially in the catholic religion or yours, like

a seats like built bottle. Is there are, then you gotta go touch it three times or whatever. Then you get good luck, so this is like one of those spot where you ve look at the pictures of at its very pretty is very little pretty church you go to, but apparently that was like her favorite touchy God spot open before Annalisa even set foot in the structure. The demonic delusions took old she claimed to have been unable to enter the monastery shrine because the soil burned like fire under her feet, she then tried the back door but couldn't pass through the garden. She couldn't look at Poli pictures of Sacramentos and was unable to drink water offered from the shrines. Well,. Joseph even bought her a metal hoping that might alleviate something gathers old, charms, old charms. I didn't get like the metals a Saint Christopher there. A lot of people tend aware around, but Annalisa couldn't where it, because she claimed that it pressed her chest to the point where she couldn't breathe on the busk report.

Annalisa then turned her anger towards the people around from Hell, effective. She near attacked the trips ranger. Mrs Thea Heine breaking rosary and mocking her using a deep voice and improper language tat your bed very good as labour debts language, according to fellow bus writers enemy. In this moment exuded that same stench of burning fecal matter, not just that causes slow release of forests that you get one. travel long distance. Then, honestly, though, that's a good would did she deprecate herself when she shooting herself she might have been. If I really don't know, I mean Germany, I do know that she word lose control over blatant, sometimes during Caesar. She would wider says she would urinate herself. I don't

oh about death gating, she might have, but there was no from what I saw there wasn't. That was not specify it needed some poohpooh work. You did some investigation, you little Poohpooh believe there's an old there's, an old german term that says the stream runs white, but the eggs are not seen no haven't you, this is also put this question to the two of you with when it comes to this type of baby right, the idea of very classic capital p possession behaviour when you're going to these religious sites. What percentage of it is performative because you think you need to do it and what percentage of it is real, because if you look at later on like this, is one of these symbols right like in the two, not cool

Ah possession word there like she wouldn't let us feed her like this in aerial, really you only we had to tyre to the cross has kept trying to put so yet and that that story a twenty three year old, none was tied to a cross. In a shed and then she was left. There are two died. She died of starvation and dehydration, but the thing is they said they did is because you kept trying to pull our own fuckin eyeballs out and emanated put they stop the towel in her mouth, because you kept trying to bite, don't the Tipp of her own tongue off from those countries than she wouldn't he what's What do you do? I mean? Obviously we should put a line and a food line in there, but a more like, what's the performance of part of what is like? This is whole continent thing like what is possession it's really So bizarre, I don't know. I'm sure markets is a much better answer, but I remember when I was in haste well. There was a wrestler mood resolutely the school and he had to read this guy and he kind of what kind of like a chicken cluck and then you obviously just scream, incur costs

We and I remember talking to our jobs. We waited like meeting with it about it and he literally was completely out of his control, so that was so. He did not want, doing that, and apparently he felt, but you just immensely embarrassed all of them. I think Annalisa was much the same way. I don't think her behaviour here was performative because she was not getting at. This point was not getting positive validation. Fur was grown on people we're fucked up by what she was doing so wasn't like it. Yet there was a priest. They're gone nice good hearing in other years, job security. Yet I think some people, I do believe that there are possessed and in their possession does get worse, because

They are getting positive validation from it. They are getting attention for illegal and doktor feel, for example, Yes Annalisa Macao was not in any way looking for attention here bag. She did not want this to happen to her at all. She was deeply embarrassed. Every time will happen. She just wasn't control. She just wasn't in control of her faculties right now. Nobody is exactly sure who first suggested exorcism to Annalisa Macao as a way to solve our problems. Anamooka. At least his mother claimed that it was her neurology doctors, disease, free Lucy, who suggested consulting a Jesuit priest, Lucy denied under oath that he ever claimed medical help would be no benefit to Annalisa. Nor did he ever mention demonic, possession, jure or so he said but say a Heine

become friends of the analysts after she'd been attacked on the bus back from San Damianus. She said she heard Doktor Lucy suggested, but either way it was they a hind who first com acted Father, Adolf Router, Wick in Frankfurt still. Nato may offer steward. Illiteracy is already that Yemen This is one thousand nine hundred and sixty nine one thousand nine hundred and seventy he was named Adolf long before Adolf was bad. daddy to walk around and they still we're just call it him. Like he's a call me smokey, look I'm going to do when we ignore Michael Jordan and who do you gotta put the middle initial in there now Michael Do you still got Adolf Adolf be which is not going to make it any better, but roadwork? He had already published several books on the subject of possession. He was the local

authority, but since he was seventy, nine years old and unable to travel, he recommended father. Herman is all exercise man That is why the entire lot Beijing, Father Urban, Father Herman is it an Elisa ten times between one thousand nine hundred and seventy three and one thousand nine hundred and seventy five in the two years leading up to the Exorcisms Father Harmon did not immediately jump to possession and instead suggested Annalisa, go to a neurology to say say, catholic priests are reasonable, You mean, I think you might come full circle, and when I see you at eighty you might become a priest. I could say now gone. I thought about. If I may give you see me in a priest uniform know that this is the end of a very long to accept

I welcome the fact that we humans, churches church. It's been all that. Not only can we move that this package is now a church, the stage you view wait you anyway, I'm flying with it. But when she said that she had already gone to a neurologist to no avail, Father Herman faithfully past one of Annalisa letters describing our condition to a half schizophrenia, hardline conservative priest named Father Ernst ought now this guy is the person that really compelling this whole sorrow and this situation, so he muttered ass. He was he was so you think he was happy when he found you ve really got a bleak, are held God is like a father alters you know, because he always brought a stool and his notes. Route and kept going is something is something that's funny. It's an inside baseball, comedy joke

with mother. All I see you are my honesty. Guy last night I brow evenly guy you in my statement about me you, my stature. Please please come with me on this journey, but father all is a. He is exactly as you imagined it for you. the ultimate x or cyst. In my mind, like he's vision, CC's vision see here's noises urals, no one told them like things, I feel like fucked up mental zone like you got exactly, but we walk, you have the right kind. What marginalized involved in Skype is like a dog I not locked up when the german start getting to creative things, go wrong. because one of those things- or I can remember words from, but it aid sake in another for some reason, it's a burner Herzog thought liking. Looking into schizophrenia can be unlike in the life he The veneer showman somebody to have been warships and listen to and that's

thing than I was ill asleep, and I say that as a compliment because not enough time wasted a secular and in this case like this, was like a fuckin half schizophrenia that people were listening to. But the problem was that his fuckin visions for all, demonic metal. They all came from such a horrible point. Your father all was thirty seven, when he first her of Annalisa Mikel, already had somewhat of a chequered passed in the church, not criminal, chequered, but just a reputation for being dead. caught took her. He was first posted to a hospital in Bonn working with children, but was transferred due to what was called problems with the other fathers you're, not like my presentations to the studio, verdant above the rivers of blue.

and the clouds of crimson country can what is just a lot pastor. Priest is just the one about the what about the enmity vividly somewhere around just something with the bio. The Ark knows, aren't always fun animals we just go on now. Does rose and they watched horses, drought we're out of the priest, is position. Me no was arc and he bought the birds fall from the sky. No one learn anything! You don't want. That's good that you mentioned, straighten one time so actually! I should now see all was looking for a place where he could live life as a priest and the way he felt it should be lived in the way it sounds all to view of the priesthood was almost medieval back when visions and demons, or an everyday part of a priest, life and, unfortunately, for Annalisa Father all

found a home in Bavaria where such beliefs were not only tolerated but validated it's almost like. He was specifically put their yeah yeah. No one, father all was eventually examined by a nurse we'll just and a psychiatrist during Annalisa missiles trial. They found him to be entirely an analytical, but they also found that it regular visions suggested a skits, a frantic psychosis and his personality was vaguely deemed abnormal, but father all believed wholeheartedly in what he said. And even spoke of his visions during the trial as proof that holy shit yeah, I see visions. You can listen to me as an expert on possession young. It is not about

It is a feature strange while strange time to be on the jury that must have been interested in one vision that he said occurred around Christmas. Nineteen, seventy five, He saw Jesus on the cross in anguish and heard a voice calling out saying for you and then do it? I honestly and I was like Jesus thank you for doing me, a solid bro keeping his fucking daps to and then he was like off bring me some water or something get me off the crucifix, and I was like no bro. This is for me bro fuck. You you fucking, proper die in This was the man who performed the majority of the exorcisms on Annalisa Macao and, by the time, father all was brought into the

The team who eventually worked on analysing exorcism was already growing. Father Herman had brought in another priest with a fuckin amazing, exorcise, name, father, wroth and since Father all seem to be the go to guy in Bavaria for all things, Oki spooky when it came to the Catholics they brought the case. To him all like moulder, but by the time they got to alter the priest, said Sir, eyes, the Annalisa was either being possessed by the devil or at least being molested by the devil, but not molested in the sexual re. Thank you. Rather, this was the old usage of molest, meaning to pester or harass in an aggressive or persistent manner. Yes, oh me screaming at the middle schoolers across my street till they need to grow up and get a job that set me did molest audibly molest. I remember that it demonstrates the x files where

Mulder, I stopped the screaming polish person from you. so wrong. When Harmon Ass, Father, all to Colin Quote tune in our ever annalisa- was radiating whether it be physical or spiritual, and this too he's insane, because, like that, this is why I like Catholicism is so much fun because it's fuckin magic. They asked him, perform a magical spell and diagnose this woman's affliction, from afar. Like you literally dinner ritual to visualize, like it is no different than virtual magic whatsoever and all his fame same exact way, Doing it too? You didn't alone viewing there's remote doing just asking you use Jesus, as is deity not from what all claimed he was able to quit. we describe the entire Mikel family once he tuned in dismay, having never met them from Annalisa? He felt

an enormous radiation originating from her neck, but he did not detect any illness see this, however, did not prepossession two days. her father Herman deliver two letters to Father Alt, one written by Annalisa and one written by her mother Anna, while they're. All, however, was unable to reach them because he became so nauseated at the thought that he believed he might faint literally allergic, to work, Good luck Usually guys, I'm sorry, we gonna end the podcast I'm about to faint. I'm just exhausted from all this no more keep one. No no have to wait for another couple years before we can all go to rehab for exhaustion yeah really grave or with aside a cocaine yet up man? I can't wait for that. Exhaustion like what

wants two months of MIKE that likes. I got like you know where I want to go. I want to go, but you guys remember that scene in breaking bad, we're like Jesse, gets sent to rehab and like it's like that super nice south western thing words like next man, but it's in his legs dome I've I've already. I have a brochure of it up on my what tat, were you passages. Were you just get to go and just sit and they go like you better keep sitting yes s name but then came the suppose. It attacks, which sounds like something out of a mid seventies, rip off the exorcist father. All claim that as he prepared for the transubstantiation,

for that evenings Mass he included, Annalisa and the sacrifice of the body and blood of Jesus. Suddenly he was hidden back. The error in cold water and intense burning stench filled the air, but while this molestation did indeed vex him ass, he put it it could not and did not inflict any real harm. It was just vexing. I will tell you, Now the phantom vexing that came from me from a source that that is not real, deny I at which I am making up a cool about it. That's renewed, reminds read into blood. In me, it's cannibalism. I will try to explain to my ants. All upset Now you don't need to do that, and I am still have I'm just happy you're still fight in Europe. I am like word middle day. You take em, take down a penny. I didn't want me: what do you want to take it out? I did try to dig it out but no you like it. It's nice, you, like

hit European. I was nice, I place my smooth. Then I bought dinner excise. That's that's an identity of nice. It's! I think but when we were off the call, we can have a conversation about a concept called change in the subject it. I helped a lot but after the service, father, all retired, to his room, but what he said was the most restless sleep of his life You don't know. How could I keep what the hell does that mean, but even though he had taken a powerful sleeping pill, his apartment was filled with a variety of stitches that all had a theme they alternated between an open, sewer, o burning dung, ok, please all ship with a stink level, but he described as infernal. Is it possible to sanitation levels? just were not very high arena. My country, led by it, is actually possible to still rebuilding Germany. At this point it just fuckin do

you everywhere he's got due on the mind I will say they are have been and I does not to malign Newcastle any reliable. There have been some things that you have left in the studio, bathroom that I would describe as infernal through her. That's absolutely fine, but then that is not demonic. I mean that cut while it is it see what happens is when you order were eaten, then you also order grubber because it was not so then you end up wooden Mcdonald and talk about that's. What I did on Saturday was extremely pressing than ever. presently hills which is fast food and they got both and then I did actually put some natural resource from talk about on a walk on a big back. Rather, my boy, I was the single grey, thing: I've ever had my life. So, as you like amendment, I don't know what you did: good job. You may corporations compete their banana companies. That's fucking. Capitalism gets better. You are your man you're doing it you're. Here I make an America better, I'm Tellin, you add a little

not your she's off to a big MAC, India Delight and also I put a couple of tortilla chips from doc labelling. Theirs. Anyone it for another show what shall another shot toilet times with Ben guess. What do you call? It is prudent seeds. Would you Furthermore, what in that same nightfall, also that he heard the occasional loud bump coming from his wardrobe, and he found it simultaneously drenched in sweat and frozen to the bone. Finally, after trying to pray with, rosary and reciting an exorcism right, father all appealed to a saint called Bob Ray P, O c in catholic belief, Padre P, O had been set, pond by the devil on a regular basis, torn hunting him both physically and spiritually, bruising his body tearing his clothes destroying his letters. So the devil just like to pick on this. For some really has no more trying to you like the molest them

last year. We will one day do a series on the saints, because we ve been talking about this for a while. All the saints got there ass, his kids by the devil. He had their just be one winner, say one that does something more gone. Pete I think Saint Peter ended up having ok life. Then they will one. Can I forgot you Saint George, I think he's the one they killed. The devil is the one that put the film Michael becomes a saint George, the dragon, and all that you have sent you gotta get some you gotta get like hurt and because the eight hundred make us Saint did they try to make Ronald Reagan it s, not how we got here random. It wasn't even catholic, you gotta be catholic to be re routed God. There were some some like that, but I was a young priest. Padre p o suffered hallucinations that a celestial being stabbed his with a planted steel blade emitting fire european? freely to pieces and causing continuous agony. Ah from that

forward p o claim to have suffered from stigmata for safety e g rain man, you haven't, got just having its eczema and so when Father all called up? Padre, P, o the feces smell was replaced with the intense fragrance of violets, though, as though he said he had dumped aftershave lotion on his pajamas. I dont know the smell of flowers? I will I will but put. Why would simply put lotion on pajamas what you you're just going to be and it s ass. If he was a dumping, is oh, you don't matter one amount at mastery with aftershave lotions, two terrible who knows I'm tired of seeing other reduce owed its own efforts, You're toil drew back sometimes because we ve been talking about this. How many told tells I've been with they take the moisturize around now he has employed in their dignan. It's it's a war or masturbate hers. They want us to come? Will you stop sweating? The chill left him and the pressure on his had disappeared

He slept for an hour having, as he claimed, six full out as of molestation by some demon or devil. Once Father all told his fellow we'll fearing conservative priests. What had happened? They were also suddenly able, smell, the same burning dung, open, sewer, regular feces, stink, we'll that father all had experienced father old, also notice that any I'm, you spoke of Annalisa Mikel. He smelled this a series of stitches scant same thing, every single time I see the name James. Gordon I smell on open sewer, it's incredible what it is near, the improves I hate him we'll do so

After hearing more about Annalisa Affliction, Father Old met her personally about the time all showed up. Annalisa was deeply depressed and looking desperately for someone to believe her. More importantly, I think she was desperate for someone to tell her that her afflictions were a temporary inconvenience that could be prayed away, or it had at least simple like it not even simple: they get had ah solution now like they were putting VD. She had tried various medications, like Katrina put drug, her up to try to solve the thee, this durability sovereignty, but it's a kept coming back, which I dont know why that would happen. I don't really know why what why you cannot be meditated yeah, they switched medications a few times.

Elsa seizure medications can be very strong. They can fuck with you and ruin your lays yeah. They can ruining yes in in ways that you, where you have to completely learn how to live. Your entire life is so for two weeks all visited Annalisa claiming to have witnessed her eyes turned black until she became totally absent again, quite possibly a that sounds like a seizure she can becomes. She became absentia became unresponsive, her pupils for possibly dilated quite a bet, but after he gave her a pre, Lee blessing. He said she went right back to normal. Meanwhile Annalisa was starting to trust, a few more people with her secret. She told the boy named Peter. Was having visions of demonic faces and smelling the stench of burning feces and despite this Peter became her devoted boyfriend until her death flower. It's like when you meet like a real version of a Quantico Manic, Pixie dream girl

They are actually very unbalanced, sometimes show up, and you like, I can fix this and then also I'll get some smooch, because at this point we are all very conservative right. So the only way they're gonna get full fog in p. Inv is arrogance. Getting married, you gotta do all the due diligence so hymns and yelling on laying the groundwork, so that, like once you get through all this demonic, bull shit. Out of the way that I can get like, I can get some liquid. From her. I will we can be in love or whenever the commission, but Peter man he was there. He was around uses like old demons. Yeah me too, I got your man, I mean Annalisa Becca was up, but a beautiful woman. So I can, I can see Annalisa claim that her whole family could smell this burning. Feces stench, but Peter somewhat of a lapse catholic. When he met Annalisa. He said he didn't smell anything, but them

appear, hung around the Mikel House, the more he could smell the burning feces stench, but at the time Peter suggested all this might be a hallucination and doctors. Restarting the fine proof that this was the case on her sixth e g scan a doctor named IRC man, sleep reported irregular patterns in the left temporal area of the brain. Finally, there were seven point, do and say: look Peter did the thing which I dont know of a lot of boyfriends have done what you like tat. a girl friend to the doktor to be like. Can you tell her it's cool that we day because she's not dead is no demons and her can we? U can you'd and this so that we can make plans to go to six flax, oh wow mandate, but around the time of doc, were finally getting somewhere with Annalisa diagnosis. She was being regularly visited by Father Alt, who the rarely made her feel better every time he prayed over her body and while he did

to continue her visits to the doktor. For the time being, he also prescribed a stricter religious lifestyle which only increased her delusions. Finally, he took her back to the end our Milano Monastery, to see if she react in the same way she had which he went there with her father and Thea Heine man. He must ve been so fuckin excited. Oh yeah, we're gonna go we're. Gonna kick up some fuckin ghost. I'm can show all your y'all. I demons demons veil in your all, gonna think its super fucking rad what

what do these it sometime, exhausting though to India and predictably, she react in the exact same way, even with a priest at her side, and it was with this that father all became convinced that Anna leases problems were supernatural, so he began discussing the situation with other priests while reviewing the set of conditions that formerly diagnose possession. Now in the catholic church, there are strict differentiation between mental illness and demonic possession that must be addressed before person can be officially diagnosed as possessed, and this was all actually put in a want to say in the two thousands when they finally sat and talked about across this this to knock who exorcism the romanian church, like their christian church, they had to change everything after this woman died as well to sailing all right. You I'm gonna have to officially exhaust all psychological reasons. First before we get these guides with the long red beards and their down this as follows:

are the catholic guidelines. The possessed must be averse to Christ and all christian religion, because, as they put it, mentally ill people can be deeply religious. The possessed must also speak in a rational manner, as the demon speak in the new testament, because people with schizophrenia often speak and nonsensical phrases. Third, they must have supernaturally obtain knowledge, seeing as how the mentally ill don't have this magical ability. Next, the disorder must also affect others in a supernatural manner, or at least people need to believe that they have been affected by it. possession and a supernatural matter. Yes, ironically, someone claiming that their possessed is often seen as evidence that the person isn't possessed and is actually mentally ill, because demons are secretive,

and don't usually voluntarily make themselves known. They are far more crafty villains than man according to them, their crafty they sneak on. Like celebrates the trickster. The Turks are phenomena like nobody has been freed, Boob recorded in every single paranormal event possible. It reminds me a little bit like the psychopath test, where psychopaths don't think that their cycle, they just did necessarily they just stare say exactly what they didn't it only. We understand that was wrong. Now. The final litmus test, which was applied hardest Annalisa

is that if medicine alleviates the problem, it's not demonic possession, but if prayer makes things better than the affliction is most likely diabolical. I read this very, very interesting article by name richer Gallagher, who is a psychiatrist and this from Lapo, and if this is the guy's, a psychiatrist whose job it is, he works with the catholic church to spot courting quote true, demonic, possession and what he says is that he has recommended it several times for certain things. We said one of the things that still freaks amount to this day because he was like I've knit. Oh, I don't know their land and old, I believe in demons. He says he is a practice and Catholic, which is why they trust him. They said the big thing is that, when this like, when a demon says stuff like describes the way, his own pair

died and talks about how they died of cancer and that kind of shit that's like when he's just like. I don't even know how the fuck they know. That's that's windless snorts recommends exorcism that weird stuff when he no error MAC, but maybe they don't know how to how are they talking and aromatic or lack you're, but then aren't there. Some brief. conditions where people wake up and they like see the universe for what it is enabling collective lamb reminded of the one who do a fellow. Got into a coma did do ITALY, one good math. He was just like me and then you woke up and he was a brilliant mathematician over sons, or maybe that's on the news that too, They also don't know how knowledge works inside of the human brain. They don't know if you are ex. If you experience something once is it locked in there forever like? Let's say you saw the fucking, there was a bed that they d Christ movie, Miss Gibson, dead, possession, I photographed. Actually, Christ no goal the Christ we with Hitler and takes the illegitimate nemesis, but would you not like, like maybe you saw that

Now was all in Aramaic. Maybe you book at you bookmark that somewhere in your brain and then it comes out when you're in a demonic possession, which is closer to a seizure, I mean I do have a will. We will ban theory about possession. Is that at all possible that part but possession in certain people The reason why they can now access of certain knowledge why they can access other kinds, languages that they somehow their brain cracks into the brain cracks their consciousness, cracks in the collective unconsciousness seeps in and they get unfiltered view. Fino dream of not everything, which is fuckin how powerful like it's, not gonna be fun. It's all the screaming and mainstream is wide, but the eggs are not present. Thank you. Thank you will win father or

showed up to talk to Annalisa. She reinforced this last condition, the one about being a prayer making better by saying that she felt a strength from taking communion. She said she felt empty before the Eucharist became more like herself, the word, because it was food and she was hungry, carrying innovations eternally faintly. Maybe that could be got a car boost and so on September, ninth nineteenth. Many for when Annalisa nickel was twenty three years old, Father all wrote to the local bishop bishops dangle to ask permission to perform an exorcism single. However, and I there were quest this first time- told all to continue his blessings. I just keep fuckin pray and see what happens rejected eventually Annalisa got it

gather enough to attend university Invert book where she studied education and theology, but all the while she said the inside. She kept hearing a voice telling her that she was eternally damned, and this was a good, extremely devout catholic woman. and by the time Father all showed up again about a year later in August of nineteen, seventy five he found annulled in a state of deep despair, repeating over and over again that she was condemned. Father all tried, praying exercise, miss Probative US, but- LISA Writ her rosary pieces and when her boy, Peter arrived. She told to leave in a deep, guttural voice. You know that voice your married Marcus, very varied. Sometimes a bit judo Not by this point, father all was convinced of Anna leases possession. Her friends said that she ordered them to stop praying for

because it hurt and she stopped going mass because she couldn't physically crossed the threshold of the church. S or epilepsy was also getting worse. Sometimes her legs went stiff like stuff. Making it difficult to get around the house without dragging herself along by holding on the tables and chairs. Honestly doggie was not a happy house, and it is. We are when you get very said, getting tin man legs. I do know could happen from epilepsy, but I guess you can, where you get these things, we have there like walk around on little pinions. You never know what someone else's through you right. That's that's why I always yell first in traffic and I don't pull a gun we leave room for escalate and I were not alone you to get a gun mobile gag as you get shoot. That advocates are wind tunnel. Think of bolts bolts are to keep her Annalisa was constantly frightened.

Couldn't sleep and her boyfriend, Peter who'd, come around Annalisa claims explained the others that before by Annalisa behaviour. Oh she's just possessed what Www just possessed again he's wearing a line from repossessed Leslie Nielsen moving she's just possessed, but ass. It wasn't that cat well, but it was like he would have to sit down and say, like this Annalisa is possessed by a demon by a double we don't know which she hasn't gotten help ya but its. But it's a very like it's a serious conversation that you would have liked to have people after delicate sit down Well, I guess he's bipolar, or I guess he he suffers from depression like that He is the way he is right or wise, acting ways acting right now, The southern couple were: Tammy, improves just slip in their teaching, bless her heart

Well, don't let her have you have to see my girlfriend isn't my girlfriend this unfortunate possess, which is why we feel we need half off of all of these appetizers cap of are feeding deem it. If you guys and honestly, if you are possessed, you do deserve half of all food kindness and are you're eating, not for one like if you're, pregnant or triplets, for I have their nation and a group of people you're, half the your half demon right now, even shouldn't be fuckin. You should be for free if you're also feed that gave us. That's me but it's around this time that Annalisa began receiving competing visions not from another devil, but from what she believed was the virgin Mary herself do. This is like such a fucking Jabba rouse key movie scene without seeing all of his like fucked up shit but then, and there

look like seeing. Shadows turned dislike tall, all things and things pinning their down and making Europe has the bad the stiff lags old country at all. The sudden she sees the beautiful, the Sars of the Virgin Mary, giving you waves of comfort, interesting in July of nineteen. Seventy five Peter took an unresolved of Annalisa for a drive. They stopped for a walk, but after she was still for ten its unable to bend her knees, she suddenly stood an gleefully shouted that she could walk. She was free because, according to her, she just seen a vision. Virgin Mary, ok and it's here that Annalisa truly loses all control over the situation. Two months after that vision, she claimed I have been contacted again by the Virgin Mary, except this time. Mother Mary had a message, gets me a big gulp,

Hey don't have them here in Heaven. You don't owe me you could probably, I think, she's a little sick of being the virgin Mary. If you could find your good gigolo or something that will be nice as well. That's what they did, the virgin Mary stay of and afterwards she always a virgin, because no Jesus at brothers, Wright, brothers and sisters did me if Jesus was real. It depends on what version of the story you believe, because there is a belief that Jesus had all family than Jesus. The whole Damn brown with any ass marriage, bats out real you dont mean I don't think any of that Rios but yeah. I think audits and I think your whole closed toga did you is us, provided sex moonlight like it's a little child gay was yes, oh that would work with is the virgin Mary message. She said that great suffering for her art that so many souls were being lost in

sin full times. It was necessary. The virgin Mary said for Anna LISA to do penance for priests talking about Vatican too. In addition, she also had to do penance for the Youth of Germany, who are living sinful ma. like live for the Nazis, haven't even I swear it ever newer over the Nazis, like the mom from water boy restart then came the question would Annalisa the virgin Mary asked be willing to do penance for he's many souls so that they would not be lost. Do I get a raise payer- you and I didn't take my like ours now- she Napoli should eat for free, at least free appetizers and a free dessert. She can pay for the country that, from what Annalisa believed she had three days to accept or reject the request, and she spent those three days. Kneeling

in front of a crucifix, her mother and father, who are apparently in the belief that all this was real. They told her daughter to decline immediately. So you, I know what you're going to decline, Generic. You know We believe that the very marries real, they believe the names around. They believed that the Virgin Mary came and spoke to their daughter. But there are like that's a bit. Much like you did that That's going a little too much here. Maybe you should just what are we worry about the demon thing? First, then, we went let's put a bit and they will put a pan had any aversion, airbags or called. This would be a nice actually if she could have done this view zoom as mapping Golgotha, with very argue that close the castle. Could have been an email. Many ethnic like this is the ultimate zoo I got, the money was none analysts alone, she believed she could handle it,

He also thought that she had no real choice in the matter, because the lost souls would be on her conscience if she denied the request somebody's, a martyr near. She does add in with that, no leases illnesses and the churches purposes became enter twined never to be rendered asunder, even after Annalisa died from starvation. Due to the negligence of both the clergy and her own parents, and that's I will pick MIKE up for part two of our series: yeah dude. We got at least sixty nine nice exorcisms coming up because it's sixty seven were the main ones. getting on before rather grams of excellence. Little if any one I free ones of re games.

And then we will do, is we'll talk a little bit more about like what happens in an exorcism which I think is really interesting, something along as anything. We didn't little bit wounded the Michael Taylor story, but something like this is so intense and it took so long that, like you really can see, this is the process a beat up. The sounds horrible and really sad Annalisa Mikel. We will talk more about her next week. Thank you so much for listening to last packing up every one is doing well there we are We are so excited, we're gonna, see all in Charlotte this weekend and ably of dirt. I am nerve, Durham and a few other places as well. We can't wait. to be with the all, and I see it, we got nothing it's available. Yeah we european is shit, eaten barbecue have fallen, drinking beer is upon my guts, don't feel good. I wish I had a vegetable, Why, then, should have all that would really help one? It's not also cooked in Bork fat, but this has sadly my taco building

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