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Why not around? Why the queen's doing what is the queen? This series there were about to launch into personal kisses a big fan of this guy what do you mean a big this guy? big. Remember because dog meat he's been sending messages about this character for like a minute, he has been obsessed, it's because his last name and it's cheese related. If you think Kraft, cheese, and then I just thought he was quite intriguing. So I'm happy we're covering your big old fan. Big fan he's not marandi crafts number one fan Ben, and this is really going to be interesting serious, but this visit hit her. But I'm say straight up: it's like we're in the Wayback machine. Twenty eleven yeah. This is old school I got your view best get your god damn true crime grime boots on, because it's about the get a kiss

dickie up and lazy smiled under the last podcast on the left. I am Benghazi hanging out with mark as and Henrietta brows key, yes, This is true. I have been requesting that we do this man. While you don't love me a little bit. Lucky love his attitude. He loved what he does. It is interesting. It's a it's, a wonderful! It's a disgusting tale that will be wonderful, too. About do for audience. You you're just saying from an educational standpoint, you love what God, I only talk about everything from an educational standpoint. I know I tincture the fact that carried a tub of butter. Last Monday, I noticed Jerry ate a tub of butter. It's been a day, so I've found out someone is stealing copper pipes for my house. I don't know, what's going on alright Randy Kraft Part One, let's get into it now

Those serial killings in America peaked during the nineteen eighties, with an estimated two hundred zero killers operating nationwide at any one time. The nineteen seventies always have been. most likely always will be the decade of the serial killer. These were days when serial killing was fully acknowledged as a reality for the first time, even though the phenomenon been occurring in human populations for most likely the entirety of modern consciousness. Every single to ever since there's been sharp things p I have been killing. Groups of people with seems, like most technologies, are only created for violence, one hundred feet or sex QC pornography. We remember cause they chose Blu Ray. My way went over instead of age de derailed big and were also when it comes down to yeah. I guess it's really, but can you kill with it? Can you caught me with it, or can you fuck it? It's all about now an uncommon.

I hate it, and so is this your its partly though this acknowledgement came the fact that Serial killing couldn't be ignored any longer, because the longer we study serial killers, the more I truly realise the scope of what even a hundred killers operating at one time really means yeah, there's a reason why investigators had to codify serial killer investigation, creating designations like M, o victim type and motivation. This was not only to catch killers, but two separate me multiple killers who are operating at the same time in the same place using similar methods. That's why I believe we have to end the serial killer, free market

It needs regulation really comes down to. Let me be clear: I'm gonna call up my friend corn popper or come on folks. We some regulation here folks unbridled serial killer competition. That's what we need on the streets of this country. I don't know that I feel like maybe your laissez faire, libertarian attitude toward a circular activity is why we are getting so many different types. And yes, it's helpful for beer Joe no great for the bunch of people living by yeah and as far as investigation goes so does the media follow with serial killer nicknames, differentiate between headlines. Often those nicknames came from M o or victim type, like Bt K in the case of the former or the Kohen killer in the case of latter. Sometimes, however,

as is the case with, say Gary Ridgeway, the Green River killer care. We have you, oh my goodness, to drive. You know we. I actually saw a special called catching the killer. It's like, I did the same thing I talk about last week about how it was a whole episode of canadian cops brag about how they almost didn't catch. Bruce Macarthur did another one about how they almost didn't catch. Very Ridgeway gray. Cutting back to him he's been like your killed, your duty. In light of these, we get this guy with the Green River killer than it, comes from the location where the bodies were found, and that's certainly the case with today's subject: the free the, but there was a lot of yeah. Why you know I mean these the freeway killer. I think it sounds somewhat generic. Its nowhere near Whatever catches like the night stalker or the hillside strangler, you know what the fuck you're getting with those guys

yeah, don't go anywhere near a hill. Absolutely not less on the side of one, but what the media and the police didn't know it. The times at the freeway killer was actually three different men operating at roughly the same time in roughly the same region using roughly the same disposal meth. So who is Bill Cosby here and who Carlos Spencer? Well, we have no idea either way, someone stealing a lot it's cereal and that ain't right you know, then that's the bear worse crimes. Do you ever think they would run into each other and you'd be like what brings you out here and then interesting? I know this sounds like it is. A sketch somebody's gonna. Yes, there might have been, who knows a partly these freeway killers used California's highway system as an easy getaway device after they disposed the bodies, just like Richard Romero, as used the freeways of losses, jealous to quickly flee from the neighborhoods where he committed his crimes. Other motivations, however, included making sure that the victims would be found. This is king.

This is really key to this style of serial killer, because Three right now, I think we're going to we're going to loosely call this a series of freeway killers, because we're going eventually cover the other too, in a series where we pair them together. So we can talk about bear similarities and differences and also to Randy Craft, because its fascinating to see how three different people can operate do basically doing the same type of crime, but wildly different within the derives. But there would also be Ella is very similar, but we are really going to talk about how the, but one key element is for you to find them so that you know somebody's out here, killing young men One has to wonder if they can or cannot drive fifty five or demands on sea Hagar. What peace does he fit in the puzzle? we just don't know, do we. I don't understand can't drive fifty five. It's not that fast.

But nonetheless I hate driving fifty five years. Indeed, I guess the only ghost fifty four you asshole you asshole in spots faster than oh but, interestingly, outside of the disposal methods, the freeway killer, shared a few other curious characteristics, three were gay, all three mutilated victims in horrific ways, two out of the three likely used, accomplices and all had unimaginable body counts. Yeah. No on that last point, the reason is easy to see. Since these serial killers were gay, their victim pool included gay men and straight men, and, as we know, gay men in the seventies were right at the bottom, with sex workers when it came to the less dead this. Didn't really change until fairly recently, because even in the eighties and nineties, as it was with Jeffrey Dahmer, crimes involving even a whiff of homosexuality were often deemed too icky to investigate

just recently Bruce Mcarthur and under the same exact series of the home, with the homophobic lenses allowed him to operate in Toronto. Four hundred and thirty it without anybody, knowing that these men were missing because again, it's this weird thing: it's like with little boys, especially with little boys back in the seventies. They are runaways all the just didn't, come home. You know how kids are they don't come back where they kind of said the same thing about these adult men with apartments and jobs like you know how these games are sometimes they'll get in a hang gliding accident because they go on to win sometimes these game and they try to swim across because they're so proud or so they're. So full of pride. For such an expert on on the gay male yeah yeah, it's almost like I'm deeply embedded within them yeah, I'm starting to think no one ever ran away ever know. everyone S came, and it's only sad because I love the idea of a good run away. You know my fault think about that little mouse signal that music menu,

we'll train I actually think that's very offensive. Given the recent Amtrak accidents should hot about that song is actually not about runaway children's. Actually about lead. Singer Dave Partners, deep, dark, midwestern, depression, ok, I'll! Have it all sounds of many that they're they're twin cities ban? We talk about them on the replacement series, underdogs and space that is coming out widely soon nor I am just that, unlike rated ban soul, asylum underrated ban, while yes, sir, if you like collective soul, to owe a solar cell and listen to their first punk records. They were a ban like ten years before runaway drain. Every imagine the comforts of serial killers. Listen to my point,

it involving gay men, no matter how brutal they were, often chalked up to a lover, spat gone wrong, or at least that's the vibe. I get for many of these investigations at least until the body counts, reach into the dozens. Before that someone got jealous and killed someone else yeah and thence. I kind of what I was told coming up and like show business and comedies it used to be undeniable. Frankly, you have to build the base so undeniable that they have to pay attention, which kind of does feel like that with this idea that, like once it gets to about twenty four victims, the cops are like. Oh I'm, sorry, I have been a patent, a bit of a pattern and you do wonder if the serial killer, I'm sure, we'll get into more with Randy Kraft. I wonder if they were like when you all going to catch me, because has been going on for a long time has frankly, I'm tired. He was very happy to continue on speaking the brutality, though, even though the straight killer certainly had their moments. The gay cereal,

killers active in the seventies, Eightys and Ninetys were much more prone to overkill murders. Harold Schechter wrote in his serial killer, encyclopedia that this rage comes the prevailing homophobia of american society, which creates a self hating vial. homophobia in the killers that externalize is itself in brutal torture and mutilation, in effect the more brutally they kill, the victim the more effectively they killed their own sexuality. When also you can, if it's a full symbolism of just like that moment that you had with somebody where it's like you caught, you had a maybe a slightly consensual moment and then all The sudden you have moved it, especially in rainy crafts case, because he's one of those he's very dangerous rainy. Cracked is what, like her heavy hitters at Super predator type guy. There was a shape ship that could be who you wanted him to be. He will take Wilmore day, I'm gonna have that kind of care director face to word like you flip the mustache upside down, obsolete,

Happy guy here I mean like coupled with his hair round, is a different guise in one of these things is a shape chapter slogan, of him. The oh take your glasses of put your hair down all the sudden. That's not an ugly librarian lots there. So, yes, you have these moments and then, as soon as you it because the level of hell of mutilation that rainy craft will put these bodies thrill were really shows like this is the rage here. Oh it's at an eleven them whatsoever, but speaking the point of investigation homosexuals oh killers, were also among the most prolific, while gay men make up a small sliver of the serial killer population, just five percent the kings of body. Out outside a Gary Ridgeway and Samuel Little are John Wayne, Gacy Dean, Coral and the killer recovering today, Randy Craft, in addition to being known as the freeway killer, Randy Craft, was also named the sky

a card killer because he kept a running tally of its victims. So he could remember each one using a third. mnemonic device for each murder, and also he was a prolific trophy collector. He would collect Many things from these bodies really see he'd been. This is also one of these guys that this much like Bt K, much John Wayne Gacy in a way that people would especially high body count, were kind of becomes a second job right. Lady sounds like it's exhausting, it's a whole other life. He leads on top of what we we'd find out at the time, especially the height of his murders was like You just work at it, I d and when did he get into cheese? When did you get into the mix? As you may know, I don't know. I believe this is one story that might have been made better by inherited wealth. Absolutely with some designations on the score card were simple. There just use

initials of the victim or the location of the kill. Others, though, were more descriptive. He'd use names like skates, Harry Carey, teen, trucker, deodorant of was marine drunk overnight shorts, as the second he used, he maligned the great name Harry Carey, one of the greatest commentators in a day or Hari. No, no, no! No, no, not that good, not that guy, okay with the score I found on Randy's person at the time of his arrest is to be believed in theirs. Ever reasonable leave it. Then craft is one of the most prolific known serial killers in american history with a body count of sixty seven. Oh, my god. This is one of those right where we talk of a house killers of be least trustful human beings at the base of the planet in that's obvious holidays in southern. Get you not supposed to believe any one of these people right, but the thing of irony,

craft is number one. He maintained his intentions of the day. He fucking these still life and you realize he's a lively and use it in these in San Quentin right now. So he doesn't. That he's guilty. No Ellie. The other thing is sometimes what you can tell about. Somebody like Ella rage right saw, but the lies you tell yourself and would like. What are you tell yours? open your most private moments or like Ella rain shall run. Howard was probably like, yep still can't see it. and down meaning, doesn't need to see it because of weight, or he just have to wait to get it hard, and then it comes over the horizon. Yeah he has snare is meddling with Randy Kraft. He kept this. This is a very private document. No one was supposed to know the document and also it's interesting that he had to lie to himself by

in code, even though he was the only one who was going to see it, because that's how closely he guarded the secret and his own secret life, bringing rack a again a perfect predator, an ultimate character changing by entity, Why entity? I Marmaduke cartoon in my wallet, but I guess he has a scorecard It killed weird different people different just don't want to flip over the Barbara. Do Comic near me. That will even more interesting. Is that, like gay serial killers, such as dean Possibly John Wayne Gacy and one of the other two freeway killers, Randy Kraft, most likely had an accomplice during some of his crimes. Besides, just the different semen types found some crime, raspberry Apricot Europe craft is believed to have had an accomplice because many of his victims bodies,

thrown out of a moving vehicle and it is presumably quite difficult to push a body out of the passenger seat while driving down the way for I, but one thing we do know is that drain crafted Jude, Tis Car did turn into a fight. moving serial killer studio So we don't know if he had like tools like literally like a grabby hand or some shit yeah. He had a big like Peewee Herman, like Rube Goldberg Machine Huntington containing to get in keeping things. Then he dropped the marble at the very top. When you just sit there for a second and watch, it dared thrown me out of this car or something works and she's got a good mind pressures machine to work. This the disposal of course, came after craft. Had castrated, his victims off chewed, their nipples off violated them with sticks or branches, cut them up and sometimes burned their eyes out with his

or cigarette lighter one mile, while we were still alive and most likely within the confines of his Ford Mustang or his Toyota Celica tiny cars. Both I tell you what I couldn't afford. The package gave it a center, I a central drain, Carpentier It's a different time when everyone just catered to smokers and they're, just like we better make sure we haven't just the push in there. I I burned my finger on it once when I was a child, oh yeah. Of course, I didn't burn anyone's eyes out with it, though no I haven't seen the backup, Marmaduke, comic it's actually a it's something from a it's from desperate housewives, it's a little commercial for them. That's on the back of them are, but it gets from the paper. Someone don't tests too much and honestly it is women when Kizil came in. I actually did know why he ditched assured in the trash. Can I look at a printed? Randy Kraft Number one on it was St Patrick's day. I just thought he will be a good topic

my dog butter, as far as the other two a killer scope, William Bonus and Patrick Kearny, we'll be covering them in a future series, because each has a fascinating story. All the Rome, although we we'll be touching on them here and there, particularly in the case of Magician Vernon butts. I want to touch on, but that they make sense for any craft story, though we use the book angel of darkness by Dennis Macdougall, which wrongly makes a connection between most sexually and criminality. Instead of seeing that gay communities are just like any other community. In that crime breeds when your looked at as less than human you have to just here, because I didn't was, as you read this, you read this book, you read angel darkness.

And he's so horny the unfilled morning. We can argue, like Mr Hat from South Parsee seriously. It is in this round. There's a little selection cause, I'm going to read the two selections up top here. As rig we go here. You gotta see true crime. I love it because sometimes you really get it do you guys are part of the job Long Beach has been a quiet haven for gay men and women as far back as world war. Two sailors interested sex stock Seedy die along ocean Boulevard and nine. As I see him getting hard looking for someone else, male or female, to spend the night with more often than not. They found them after the war. according to local or many of these gay sailors. Blended into this five hundred thousand population bedroom community, they created their own subculture deep within the

a heart of LOS Angeles. You must have more roused the Woods Demon King wrote that child sex it. Nevertheless, the facts in this book are solid, yet so angel of darkness with attack title is our source said? I don't. I also don't really know why semen dripping from the vessel another thing about unsure of the crime kinds of the foam crashed on the waves again and again, like the semen of how many sailors who have like pink pythons around Are you being in pleasure God? I'm just so happened to totally stray straight up, just thinking about wet butts up and down in a hotel room, but he also each one of these true crime stories thing about fully way killer shoe as we start because we re, we did research, William Bonum, Patrick Kearny, as we are going to each one has to describe what a freeway

is my, I know what I as ways define southern California in the premium that its residents place on mobility. But the price of an automobile Hannah driver's license. Anybody could move from one neighborhood to the next. In a matter of minutes, it's called a, cover reliance, can stick out a thumb in hitchhike downtown to them all to the beach. As They don't care who their writing with shows that things happen on the southern California freeways things that happen elsewhere. While we'll usually stationary people make love. While on the freeway what is worse, their teeth do, and really there mascara, dress and undress men. Shave women have babies. Why incantations and aerobics fisticuffs and fellatio mid are you confused with a hospital? I love true crime. Yeah

I was born in March, nineteen, forty five in long Beach, California, surprisingly, Randy did not, as far as we know, come from the sort of abuse of household one might expect from a killer as brutal is craft instead is childhood seemed fairly normal, but like Richard Ramirez in dozens of there's craft did suffer a severe head injury, while his brain was still developing at the age of two Randy fell down a set of concrete stairs bombed. His head and fell on Jesus. No, since he was so young, we can't say for certain if there was a personality change, because toddlers can be kind a psychopathic anyway, but from that moment on, Randy was unplugged from humanity. You mean we need to take guns away from our seven year olds and our two year I've got to enable their hands is actually incredibly dangerous. Sugar that you made a solid point,

Randy did, however, managed to hide it quite well. Once he and his family moved to midway city in Orange, county craft became an average student who played tennis and saxophone. He even had a small circle of friends. Although his friend group there Fuckin. Weird man. Does your asshole just straight up: hassles yeah! You know what it is to me. This is an example of Randy Kraft, showing his his way of becoming a character for other devil and that he kind of, and also his direct anti social personality. This idea that he would create a whole persona that everybody would hate like somebody who promoted and defended Joe Mccarthy The thing in junior high Randy and his friend Billy Manson, their dream was to grow up to be republican senators, and I mean rainy. Crafted was not far off. That's a nightmare way to start my goodness to them Richard.

and was a liberal, their real euros were William F Buckley and Joseph Mccarthy. The gas Herbert have buggy men of lore. Code as well? Perhaps Leah crafted Manson defended Mccarthy's communist witch hunts, Read the National review like a couple, a weirdos the meetings of the christian Anti Communist crusade, it just seems, like you know it seems, like he's a rebellious person. So it's interesting that he would choose formerly at such a young age with, because your old generation I do again pretend like he's normal bia, will know, I think it's the opposite. I think all the kids a certain fine, a little bit of the freedom of the time period, opening up and then it's a direct thing against the cool group of kids, because in his school the cool groups were the ones like listening to first edges of rock and roll you're in all of these things, where he immediately position himself and tie them he's one of those true contrarians. Not last

by the way, the christian Anti Communist crusade they produced a film called the ultimate weapon. That film was about communist brainwashing and, of course, as we know, that shit relates directly in case all try out you're, not me leave me so is the acronym for that cat yeah yeah yeah I can now craft and Manson we're. We are classic of trolls who were neatly ironed, white shirts and ties had close cropped haircuts and urged a teacher to found a world affairs club just so they pass resolutions condemning the United Nations and pledging support to the John Birch Society. I love a moon

lying. Had in my errand, I don't like a man's. She is absolutely completely tough roar I get in storage, rarely ere. They also once very oddly pretence, painted in an Arbor day celebration by taking a tree planting it at night, middle of the Atlantic to feel that their school well dressed and painted black than they p on it and ran away. You know what that is: Larry as well, it was eight has caused their prisoners. Little Sri under phobia moving their principal was in was one of these. Would they set of german ecological nerd he's in an Arbor Day, every one of the students had to go plantatree there was a thing may be doing so dude be a little bit of a ribald prank. They put it in the middle of the football No, it holds up improved. Nicotine isn't enough to be seen as funny, but also you know, there's a tree in the middle of the football

and think about that. It only lead to sixty seven men with their penises cut off and shovel up their own rectum. They were happy to death. Is the screams and screamed- and I am just saying this one time if it did happen to be an end to Opel Ball home about it he's haven't. You said you might try to sleep. You, don't know what butter shits look like coming out of a chihuahua and not out of power. Oh God, nightmare on your way, hey! What's up we're. One are you do, and Ben Kizil you're within reserve roused me yet oh Henrys, the browse key smoke and some of that sweet last ball go out there and purchase yourself some. I hope you enjoy it. We have some diva, we have etiquette and we have a hybrid, and I have to tell you from my personal experience. They are wonderful, super taste You live resin. You really get that delicious weedy taste, which is what I like and three different experiences. You go. To your local vape store and get it absolutely? Thank you all so much for supporting the show. We absolutely love you. Can we

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he's a weird converse moment of bravery, but I also believe that part of his anti social personality, while Gacy always maintain that he was by sexual Randy, was out and proud, although it took a while for him to reach that point during college, he was so gay that his stomach hurt, but he found outlets in the lifeguard shacks in restrooms, along seal beach, just south of LOS Angeles if that's what's happening to Kissel, because he said he had a bellyache acres more. You have a billion because they didn't sleep because my dog ate a tub of butter. Or is it because you were just thinking about how you wish you could be with them and, as you know, you're be either you can get lulli. Surely you can make the family three for three? we're back behind you, man, Randy, Kraft, stand right here it's still alive, Rebecca, just started a pen pal relationship with him. Meanwhile, Randy settled into college life, residence of his college.

or Green Hall were known as the Green Weeny sit by random senior year, he'd become dorm president, the so called head green Weeny. I liked them, but they did say you happen to focus on beer a little bit more than his studies, good for him, it's college, but as one former student put it Randy with his tuft of chin, hair always seemed to have an evil glint in his eye. He had a strange sense of humor making snide comments that were funny, but not ha ha funny. Instead, they were odd and unsettling. You ever think what it would be like if I cut your eyelids off or was that your sin, whom we cannot interesting if you were like a living skull? Oh man, this is due to gas pumps. In this country like yours, I noticed, went against the other day. I was like do any gas from where I was more ago. Additionally, one of his

made a guy named MAC said that one night during one of those soul searching sessions we have with friends in college Randy turned to him and cryptically said, quote You know, there's a part of me: you will never know what Does that my ass? All I get right, you know. No, he was Am you talk about keep thinking about killing ic yeah? Nobody The college Rennie had switched from being a Joseph Mccarthy apologies to a Robert Kennedy campaigner, but he still joined the air force in June of nineteen sixty eight and was given the job of painting protective coating on test blame with interesting because you know like this is another Shiro killer with political aspirations which I find fascinate him in Bundy. Now there were plenty of kids dodging sniper boy

in the jungles of Vietnam, who had loved to have scored such a boring job during the war craft felt like the job was beneath his station. Perhaps his unhappiness with his assignment was part of the reason why Randy came out to his superiors in the air force and was given a general discharge after that he moved in with the parents and came out to them as well, but could you could see right away because this was not a lot of people? Did this right? Is nineteen sixty eight now had not If people did that, so there is a way in my mind that he did this literally to shake shit up as well like he did it to get a rise out of people I think, maybe in in a way we normally wouldn't say this, but for what he go he went on to do. I would say, like I feel, like heat or everything in his head is a constructed game a little bit and then, when he came out to them like yes, I think he got off that detail because he fucking hated it because he basically

came a painter and he was like a house painter, and he didn't want to do that. And then he also like understood like oh I'm, getting feed, I'm getting a psychopath feat bright, like I'm, getting a thing that I need where, like I get a bunch of people on a big kerfuffle, because the thing about it is that it really fucks with your like entire life, getting a job will discharge like it. It fucks your whole career up like it's hard to get the job, because it's just above dishonorable discharge and of course, if you have any charge it all go to the doctor, a good, a it, no problem really. When we came out to his parents, his father reportedly flew into a rage, but his mother was accepting. If this it and random continued living at home, while immersing himself fully in the local gay seen crash got a job as a bartender at a gay bar called the boot. He shed good night good night. He began spending is time,

other gay bars like Broom hailed school and a place with perhaps the most non gay name for a gay bar that is still obviously a gay bar stables mean I never thought about it. There was a bar in Brooklyn called Brooklyn, stable yeah, but it was hoarse India, yeah. It was horse like it filled her, but it's like man horse. I don't know it's unknown. What exactly it was washed Randy into the world of Cyril, killing, there's always a trigger. Possibly it could have been his coming out because oftentimes serial killers begin killing because they aren't able to handle setbacks, are trauma like the rest of us. Do I don't necessarily think that he came out specifically to make people upset? I think, coming up was actually very traumatic experience. I think he tried to force at sure he knew what was going to happen, and so he knew

exactly how everyone was going to react, but when they didn't act, how he wanted them to react. He now has an excuse. He has an anger spot, be sure not easy to do you rated trigger point out something you do something now that it's again now I've created what we talked about for years covering circulars, the little boy allegations that bring you to the point where you have convinced yourself. That killing is now poultry. Like now, I will now than all of these factors have driven me to kill. You so there's so much shame involved. I remember when my older brother came out. It was like so nervous and stuff, and I was on the steps I heard at all and then, I know it's not easy to do. Oh yeah buddy, this isn't a story. There's the story of like you know. John waters are black. You know Bobby Bonilla with man. I don't know if I should. Even I dunno I dunno like this is a this. Is the story. The craft sewing it colors a little different, absolute, absolutely different story:

Randy seem to be fairly mild, mannered, most of the time many of the people who had regular social contact with him so that he could have a terrifying temper when he didn't get his way and from what other serial killers have said, when those negative emotions are combined with a head full of bad wiring, they start having fantasies about releasing those emotions and absolutely horrific ways, so, just like other serial killers set up situations in which they feel justified to kill. I think Randy Kraft may have done just that with coming out yeah willed, I think there's not in where he thought there was so much shame in being gay. That he's like us, just the lateral moved to start killing. No, he loves being gay. That was, I got here, really cherish that part of his personality. I think I just more the idea of setting up a circumstance which is being like the whole world's against me. It's me

versus everybody else, and now I that means in in war all bets are off. There are no rules I can do whatever I want on a Panzer Army a little bit and because the thing about Randy Craft two is that because he is one of those types of killers where he's really tight lipped, we don't know a lot about his inner life and the fact that he said that openly to somebody like you know, there's some parts of me. You'll never know shows that I feel like this fantasizing about killing people has been around since his childhood. It has been a thing that he has thought about for a long time, thing about, you know not to be anything not to get too political, but stuff, like you know, with the Burke society. All these hyper people, the on their desperate for the good absolute control of everybody else. Rightly they want a she's control over your body in your mind by and there's something about that that lends towards this. Europe is lying there. Yet he wants greedy. Just wants control over everybody, so pretty soon after Randy

came out. He began inching is way towards Ciro killing with the rape of a thirteen year old boy named Joey Franker soon after he moved into his own place answer had run away from home and March nineteen. Seventy and was soon approach by the twenty five year old Randy Craft, on the boardwalk at Huntington, Beach, Randy, lurid, french or back to his apartment. By telling the tea During that there was a woman waiting who was willing to have sex with just about any body. So the movie beyond, that is horrible, limited, a boardwalk and then thirteen years old I know woman who fuck you right is alright, so took a chance and followed Randy Back lead and given France or some pills, Randy pulled out his collection of black and white gay pornography, which featured several pictures of Randy participating in the actions himself with the way he talks about a to set. A really was like it's this. It's a slide. Show that you don't.

want to see because you didn't know you were about to see it like if you wanted to future, but literally he's like take a look at this and it was like you know, a picture of gay pornography and he's like I'll. Take a look at this one and it was like another one. You can kind of see it like that that guy right there all it was another picture of like a pile of writhing bodies and then that guy, like smiling and waving at the camera, just get my music seeing that gas storage life and now you're like oh now, I'm starting to see that all of this is getting a bit complication of final photo and the shining here, but, as French began to pass out, Randy repeatedly raped him and threatened to kill him. If you move giving gave him even more pills suddenly began slapping in proceedings. No reason than inexplicably left French her in his apartment to go to work. It's I did distancing effect. I think it's like that. You literally bail, like heat. He sexually, assaulted him and then said like

Atomic GO to work, and then he laughed like didn't I m up. Didn't do anything did like cover up the crying? Didn't you in cause. I feel like it's almost a sting of like he just kind of. Finally, let himself do whatever it is that he wanted to do and he was almost shock about it himself. Like oh did all this shit and then he bugged, now eventually France recovered got dressed, and but to a neighborhood bar where an ambulance was called when its parent showed up. They were most upset that he, wasn't wearing his new shoes, which might give you and asked why he ran away in the first place. Yeah she's it sounds like his parents, not to I mean they sound like butters parents again from south, oh, my God, butters would have been murdered by Randy Kraft, like twenty five seriously years become my favourite garry. I love oh he's easily.

my favorite character by five otters, is by far the best character on the show. That's the theme of the day is butter. Then yeah the cops, went and checked out Randy's place and found that he was in possession of two peanut butter jars, full of pills, one was filled with bennies and the other was filled. With? Second all he had uppers and downers. You know how these gay men are. They love their sleepy sandwiches, have a nice nap which may go right to sleep, but we're not going to investigate and all then nap salute me not to want to come. I write another horrible job done great work. I mean he's right because this was one of those gay things, and presumably because France, whose parents just wanted to pretend like nothing ever happen, no action whatsoever was taken, generate archer, just make it up gay stereotypes as they go like, as we all know, gays yeah. They keep the odd the pills are in the peanut butter jar. We all

I dont know what it is. I dont forget history in it was not just in the jar it was in the peanut butter like he put bend dream in peanut butter, so decide that like this is what these guys do. The homophobia thing, which we covered a little. But when we talk about Jeffrey Dahmer, we write it comes up again and again and again and again, which is this idea that they live this again? and that in women live this mysterious life of crime than them all. They do that's their whole life. You don't which meanwhile, like most of the time gay people are super boring and don't do anything you don't like. The just trouble. Jumping around fucking wearing pants and Marcus did a great job with the book. The last book on the left in the dumber and dumber chapter one hit that very well. You did a great job. Thank you very much Katie chapter as well, because the principles apply to both of them. But that's the thing is that what it comes from is that it comes from this idea of dehumanized.

the gay population in frankly, looking at them as animals inside, of course, those who cares more than they kill the less of them thereon street said just let him go, and so after Randy saw how easy it was to get away with violent crime just so long as you made, the police feel uncomfortable Randy moved on from assault and rape to straight up murder in September of nineteen, seventy one, a bartender at Randy's, regular bar stables named Wayne, do cat went missing from his apartment in long beach, and not long after his car was found parked near a beach area where he'd last been seen it wasn't until weeks later that his body was found at the bottom of a ravine off the or take a highway, so bloated, imputes or five that they were not able to determine inexact com if death, a rant, hey Joey, do you think, maybe a big bird drop.

from the sky. But you know, I think maybe we shouldn't are investigating these a serial killer. It's just the beginnings of one may be: listen! Ok! Your new here be birds and another okay, gay men and orderly them across the do anything not absolute If not, I don't want to be gay or a Windu cuts. Blood alcohol level was found to be point three, six, just below the point where a person succumbs to acute alcohol poisoning He was a third boots and here's where things get somewhat mysterious with the Randy Kraft murders quite a few of his victims found with insanely high a bac levels, but since Randy Kraft never came clean about his methods, don't know how he convinced these men to drink that much or if he forced them into doing so. This comes up often in in his crimes,

He inject them with it. Like he's a member of motley crew, I mean what happened here. No idea where we can extrapolate from this is that Randy Craft did not want his victims to fight in considering the amount of mutilation that Rennie would eventually subject as victims to it's likely that he wanted them simply in a state of existence. Dehumanizing them to the point, where they were nothing more than playthings red. He wanted them alive, thou not like Dahmer. Yet like did he want while he wanted, and I look at you so we want them lie he one of them alive Aarhus, torturing them in cutting them up and you he wanted them to scream and wiggle, but he did not want any sort of pushed back at all. Knowing what we know about serial killers, though it's possible that this murder was some sort of accident or simple.

An impulsive at maybe Wayne was hanging out with Randy and had too much to drink and seeing Wayne in such a vulnerable position might have caused Randy to finally go through with his murderous fantasies. Charming Gacy did it Jeffrey Dahmer? Did it like? Give you see this quite often or the first murder? Will they accident. They accident there's no way I could ever could have controlled myself from cutting that man to pieces. Where, like it seems like a big process I a lot of steps in which you could like you could stop yourself like he. Just kind of created opportunity came, and maybe it's also What we also learn to renew crops of process Keller, as we can now say, right like because he'd like doubly going through this entire rigmarole again, he added to his time you like to spend with them, but I

you're gonna wanna. Go with rigour, Moran on that usually say he goes into a sad, is materially icicles ramrod. Maybe you could go the Hollow bellew, all the hollow blown Marcie We need a young he, but you know, maybe it also comes out to the thing is that when you keep them alive, they talk? What's the this escalation happened over three years between thirteen year old and then the murder I don't even know it's actually about a year. Okay, it's a little more than a year, but not too long, and but and that's the thing is that we're pretty sure that Wayne do cat is the first actual victim, because Wayne do cat. His designation was the first one on the scorecard Randy used the word stable, because that was the name of the bar or Wayne do cat worked and that's how they were able to figure.

like so many different victims with Randy Kraft is because the mnemonic devices that he used were very thinly veiled, like even people that were to could figure out like way? Do cat worked at stable? We found window gets body, he probably killed waned cat he's missing two key words anything, but because that would on religious grounds as additives are anything but stable. Nice, we said: Randy himself was actually a bartender in the scene. He worked nights at the buoy shed, but eventually he cleaned up his act by studying computers at long Beach, state university. After that he got a job. Aztec aircraft where he ran computer payroll, beginning a long and boring career and data processing if you're working at the office right now right here at the office. So when you shot the podcast castle, when you could go down a processing rank, is is a jar I'm just saying you know: who's killing people this is the time Jacques Use here

want to go in there. He went up. I could point him out to sea watch them squirm see what he does. office, jobs are brutal, you know what do you know who? It is sure at Long Beach, university however, Randy met his first long term boyfriend Jeff graves. They soon moved in together and participated in the free wheeling seventies. Gay swinger, seen picking up men at an historic long, beach, gay bar called club ripples moment morning is making Sabra Business vent aspect. It doesn't really sound fine, but you know like a kind of their lifestyle. This funded sounds very busy sounds very I wouldn't you older than me back. I knew my ripple. Can I have a little taste? My republic is just give him some tea. You can't take it anymore long time. Ten years ago, one hundred club ripples is another place to where you know, like the author of angel of darkness, was greenow again this sea, Underbelly,

Meanwhile, I had a virus reading other thing about ripples where the guys like yeah yeah, was gay bar, but you know people went there and now you know a lot of times. They just drank and sat there and they'll meet somebody sure, they'll hook up or a lot of times, they'll meet somebody to like date or whatever it's a bar. It's a bar. Dangerous, dark, fuck, labyrinth it's got stools pinball machine, you know of a long beach, police department didn't just refuse to investigate murders and the gay population. Rather they denied the population, even This it can at a late, is nineteen. Eighty one. Their official stance was that there were no gay people in long beach at all. This, of course, was contradicted by sea. Bars and clubs in the area as impact forced he and the mine shaft. If there is a mine, it's kind of like. How would you know about like with the way they poll politics like that, where it's like? If it's twenty per cent, it probably means it's bigger, you normally give it a certain amount where it's like. If you have a bar

called the mine shaft in your town. There is at least a twenty percent gay population. Well, what? If there's? Actually, if there is a minor round him, I want to think about the mine when you're goin of the barn, you want to call it like Johnny's raw pizza gates, the mineshaft it's mimes and ooh ooh. Honestly, I love mimes. I love mimes. I love clowns all of it. Why fascinate him it's actually more offensive than Kissel Fuckin stands about how much he fluffs Randy Crap I don't love rating draft, I'm standing by my I'll stand by my love. I clowns the day. I fucking die clown room and our own. I do like club the money. You know it's difficult, what they do so due respect among its not working difficult. It is difficult. Now, let's get blue isn't actually having here, but the UK

you with your arms, it be Diffee. I would like to thank you, try to be a mine, for it is the packets buddy, no good, I get anything, I'm new doesn't really because this is what I cast my limited. You couldn't hear me say no, I succeed. Ok, literate actual heavy balloon. There was some memory in their morale, these first long term love affair, wasn't a com one, partly because he and we're supplementing their open relationship with massive amounts of booze we'd Benes an aim of nitrate cool. Therefore Randy and Jeff fought a lot and when they fight Randy would get in his car. And cover miles upon miles of highway, all around southern caliphs yeah man and it's ideas. I guess we were joking about this Natalie and I were talking about like the cannibal cop. You know. I mean cause, it all came from the fact that it's all about like if your boyfriend

RO, first or husband or wife like spend too much time? Let up on the computer late at night run right. Will you go to bed there? The cannibal com, Now we are calling on the cannibal cop. If she goes to bed before me or violent men were about to see on. The laptop me, like you mean function, will copper no undue about like when you're too, when you into a fight in a guy, goes, I loved Oda and then he's gonna be like two days. Good, you know it's not like not goods on what are you doing there, especially leds you're you're stops here, yeah moil. Gas prices, the Ukraine Randy's nighttime drives, has happened about the same time. Corpses began popping up off certain freeways. One

with a twenty year old, named Edward Annual, more unimaginatively titled Edm on Randy Scorecard electronic dance music. On Christmas Eve, one thousand nine hundred and seventy two Randy Kraft picked up more somewhere, took him elsewhere and feed him in the face with a metal pipe ligature marks around Moore's, ankles and wrists imply that he been tied up and it's a very odd, perhaps practical, Mo Craft shove a suck up his rectum. Apparently this was a body transport trick used in the military to keep the body from purging itself of fluids during transport, which implies that in some cases, might have taken his victims to actual locations to torture them in increasingly violent ways. He works for the car up to a point, and then we are too

and when you really set up this pattern, will go as we describe more than it really does seem like he is a one thing about Randy Kraft as well as that he is highly organized he's one of those killers for he's a planner. He plans really. Explicitly, and so the idea that, like maybe that's what it is that, when you're moving these back and forth, you don't want to speak. I me discussing, but you don't want to spill Donald, unlike you want any, put them out someplace, where no one will see you and that's the things. I don't think that he did all of his crimes within his car because there's a lot of blood involved in these crimes and if he would have done it inside his car, his car would have been a traveling buckin, slaughterhouse it just a wood. Everything would have been so to the fuckin bone, with blood at all times and he it's not like. No one ever gotten his fuckin mustang. They did, of course he had a long term boyfriend who had no idea what was going on so he had to have had some location somewhere.

Where you said: Clara Junior was readily Harold. You are actually really me surprise when you do there and, of course, the shabby slaughterhouse it was discontinued, the car slaughter, with all the time the ottoman I mean I know of the eighties, but because the seventies at the seventh day, this is evident. Evans even weirdos. It goes into the eighty though far as disposal went Moore's body jump from a moving car and was spotted by a motorist at one hundred and forty five, a dot m on the westbound off ramp of the four hundred and five and six hundred and five freeways about a day after he was last seen alive. As I said earlier, Randy Kraft was not the only person killing, dudes and dumping them off freeways in southern California? He simply the most well known as such by the end of nineteen. Seventy two eleven bodies have been found, only two of which

belonged to Randy Kraft. What is going on this is the only real. This is the only place where I really say, like the the cops in this crux had a very difficult time, because Belgium patrolling it's going to hear a mound bodies that popped up in a very short amount of time what it was like a bull. Craig, like it happened, we really fuckin fast, like these crimes escalated was there. A lot of weak rests was this like did, did he's. Obviously, rainy crapped has an immediate any of the stuff which are so surprising, but like was the media covering this. Was there like a did. He follow his club on all like cattle that nor some of whom were we're covered later on, but at this point and there's also there's also to remember at this point like in the nineteen seventies, like the murder rate, we really today like when people talk about how America's going to the dogs now crime is on the rise and everything's going to shit. We cannot

magic, the murder rate of the seventies and America. We can't, I can imagine it, but even though the bodies were piling up cop still wanted to press the jealous home sexual lover angle whenever they could and in the case of Edward Moore, I tried pinning the murder on his on again off again boyfriend Charles Vine, nicknamed the maid. Or wait until you meet the minor. Oh, my son, oh he's lovely Annecy, is doing wonderful in school. Very nice. Remember that your major dad yeah yeah, is it yeah kinda like that and yeah. This is like that I had a controversial episode of major rare economy of Russia, but is, in fact the Orange County D. I believe that a good chunk of the eleven victims had been killed in one night stands that again, not a hand, although I have no idea where this assumption came from, I don't know it. Just as I do that, every single time a gay man has sex, they have to do blood play and choke, and

and beat the shit out of each other, and that's only one out of five times Jesus either way you don't end up on the side of the frickin highway. That was a corpse know. Most of the time you end up at the jack in the Box We were having a good time. Nevertheless, more bodies kept showing up in February, a John DOE was found naked lying face up in a ditch on the terminal island Freeway, with his arms outstretched and a brown sock shoved up his rectum on Easter, Sunday that same year, another John DOE was found after the body had been thrown from a moving vehicle. This one was missing its genitals entirely because they been cut off minutes before died. Oh my vengeful, he was identified. Ninety ninety five as Kevin Bailey remember this just seem while yet saving we just now we're seeing within

coral. The only are just starting to identify some of these bodies to fear they really still call it it's it's really, that's how many he killed does that they have to keep like digging it up and figuring out like more and more of the shit- and this is this murder is really where You start to see his specific em all come through door. The one ask, I guess, I'm just a little curious. What did he do with the goggles Donna do we have any idea. Did he keep them ready, Dahmer, some of them when some of them we know what he did with a cannibal? No, no! I don't I don't know gosh, it also possible this time that Randy was experimenting with full dismemberment. Although the victim found soon after Kevin Bailey might have been a victim of one of the other two freeway killers operating at the same time, his craft, all you need is be able to afford record or driver's license, and you can go anywhere in a manner of minutes, yeah

not sure if they were too worried about the license, but this victim named John DOE. Fifty two, oh my god that John DOE fifty two fifty two. Fifty do you or the following in the president's repaired care. If I'm I'm, I'm just guessing aims I completely, I imagine, he's John DOE fifty two because he was probably the fifty second John DOE found in What area are in that city? That year? I would imagine Scott. This guy was dismembered decapitated and spread across multiple locations. His head was found in a brown paper bag behind a supermarket his arm. Torso and right leg were found in trash bags roadside in San Pedro, and the left leg was found behind the We shed bar where craft used to work ah kind of like cause like all right. I guess this can go here. Yeah, it's a little close to home, but additionally, there were Your marks around his ankles, his general

had been removed, his eyelids had been cut off. His hands were actually never found, oh my god, but using context clues. It's likely this victim was the one named half off head on Randy Scorecard. It's always when they do it. When it's kind of funny them, then it really makes my stomach turn like use like little inside joke to himself. He. did he came and I think that they both probably thought they were quite humorous yeah. They found the way he just thought he was a genius. Is that time listen to where he just thinks that these the ultimate veld in writing, but even though we wanted minute Bt K, one to see everybody rise when he was giving his confessions like right he's the other type, that's what makes him extra fuckin awful is does means UK continued the trauma in jail. You wonder for the victims, families, if they would like for him to confess I don't know it's better or worse than oral situational around Rennie life. Meanwhile, it was in an upswing.

he's doing. Well. I also remember when I was listening to that, I was listening to some documentary on this, and this is such like a true crime spouse moment or like I was making dinner and Nalley walked into the kitchen and was just like, and he was found His eyelids removed, his genitals removed and she's like been watching the cooking channel where Guy Fieri. That's a that's a unique approach If a is darkest the night perfect for fueling the cryptid re inch and mad ravings required for your podcasting, don't mind the red eyes, he's just trying to warn you of the bridge or bridge. Finally, from the cafe now build brains of spring he'll, Jack, coffee and last podcast on the left. Bree bring you off men's red eye blend. Yes, delicious Panama beans go to last podcast merge dot com,

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we'll character. It's like it really is its character. The carriage are right. At the same time, though, Randy's crimes were continuing, the next victim Ronnie we be met the same fate as the ones before, except he was covered in bite marks. We be, however, contradicted the police theory that there were packs of rapidly jealous most sexually rampaging across southern California. Happy, I think, a lot more other things will get disrupted if there were just pack jealous must actually see we be. Who was last seen sportsmen or in LOS Alamitos at two a m in late July. He was straight Batman any young man might become a victim, and it was also becoming obvious that the same guy was doing it because we bees body was found in almost the exact same spot as Randy Crafts. Second victim from their craft again expire.

even further shaving, the heads of victims for reasons unknown or shoving pieces of wood thick and thin into the penises and recompense for before he committed after murder, God. Why are you to basically get he that's why he needed to get you as fucked up as pos right? So then you could not like or physically move against it like you literally. He gets you to the point where you're so pale, up and drugged up very similar Dahmer Nilsen were linked to then you become a pliable mannequin or perhaps we Randy did not only prey on the weak and marginalized, specifically Randy, seemed to enjoy specializing in hitchhiking Marines. Is the shit that is shows like not to be anything is not like a hot. I do not have framed this, but a really shows like one He wanted was a challenge in many ways: Also one of the most subdued, but it was about subduing,

killing machine right at the time period coming. Vietnam? A lot of guys have action. These are people that have killed people that are now like the debt, then become your victim and he gets really obsessed with young virile five foot nine. the five and eleven blonde Marines, but I think what it is that what Randy Kraft doing here is to put it in video game terms like he's using a cheat code like he is killing, he is killing me seems like he is killing these like virile, mean mother fuckers, but he's doing it by making them down to a level where they can't fight back, where there are basically just flesh bags, so jeez not actually doing anything. He just you. He just using the big fuckin Sortes using or prostate doesn't the movie Rambo STAR with image, I can guess not getting a good thing,

picked up by reading Brady Craft vs RAM, random crap awesome. Awesome idea. I'm going to write that with we're away from long beach, is Camp Pendleton and every weekend, Marines training or stationed at the base spread out in the surrounding communities and many of them hitchhike to get to where they wanted to go, and when Randy and Jeff fought Randy would sometimes temper we move in with friends and sometimes disappear for days after mumbling, something about going down. To quote, unquote, look for Marines if you look for Marines to Hell by their hats, what's that and I'm looking for Marines there's one there's one. So I read this in a very interesting essay about a guy that realized decades after this that he? Basically he was a young marine in southern

before noon. He heard this like this idea, like like people are talking about afterwards like this is about to the fifteen years ago, when he wrote this. As I wear it, she was looking into this guy. That's own brought up about they serial killer, that killed Marines and so cow from in this time period, and he was like I was a marine in so called during that time. Para. Is it that guy. There's no way it's that one guy. This is not a good huh, oh no exact by because he realized tat. He had this moment with a man that he'd never experienced before again. This author says he's I'm straight ass. Fuckin EL right now to pursue a program like Xilai, business owner, like ok body. Ok, all right- and he said he was on the beach and then this young yuppie, looking guy rose up to him and he starts talking and they d be hit it off. Nice, the golden sudden him and this guy, the talk talking having a great

I'm am in he hours go past and he's like again I'll talk to chicks this long, among them, and then he sky. Eventually, this Miss man turned Randy crowd of issues to be obviously saw. The picture later on, you know, is right about Raina crap like it's got, Twemlow tell come up with an. I got good beers which, at the time, was like an entire lying to have known what now eager at the time Marines could only afford shit beer at like we'll saloon, so is like the olives and good ass beer me and my new brow, women who have read. you have some prejudice, harm dude skies, she's been did up in his own room alone with each other, and so they went up there and he brought bring He goes wonders little refrigerator and he says that he said that he handed him this an interesting detail. He said he handed him the beer just below belt level in a way that dude in friends do like in a symbol of come Rotterdam right now,

I am aware that examined marine thing out Another- and I know I don't know but said that I do not believe that they have this drink and there are lying on the better gather and then rainy craft. Does this thing was a copy feel like a sex me like you non straight man, I'm super super strayed again, like this is a funny and all because he's like when he realized that he was like falling in love with this man, for a moment really be talked about everything under the sun for hours. There was a good movie before sunset after sunset. Were there like, hang out together right for it. higher day and he's like. No, I'm straight he's, like you know. Ninety percent of humor Marines love gay sex. He's like you guys all have gay sex and he's just like. No, we don't my buddies are all straight. There are super super straight and he's like yeah. None to you, M away from his friends, and then you realize he like hidden because he was a sniper. Jim reason you dislike. Ok, this is kind of a right is fine, but eventually sorts taught tell him he's like tickets, listen to take a shirt off entertainment. Some pictures, you know

He was out of you work hard for the Abbe. You gotta show now he's felt beautiful for the first time in his life. He said it was the first time he felt seen by sound that somebody's there you're in and then it wasn't until decades later, he realized that, like in a way can be held, he held firm, is like I dont want to have sex with you like rise is a feeling I've never felt before, but it's not sexual in a in that full way. I'm not boned up, so I'm going to walk away, and he said this look of that. He said he was on his face, was winsome. Disappointment was on Randy crass face like alright. Well, I guess you're going to get out of here so, but thanks for the pictures, that's something I can remember you by and when he left he realized. You know he put this all together. He's like I just put myself in the crazy position, hypothetical position with his dude that I just fucking met. It happen that fast, it was like all of a sudden you're you're in the trap you're in the trap like in a way he felt like Randy, Kraft kind of let him go like because, but then there's apart from things he's like,

Did he put a volume in the beer like, as he only a two beards and there in his head started? Swim any? Was this link Friday? No, what what he was being overwhelmed with, but it's that moment where he's like, ok, but then I saw wouldn't to tuna gather when I realize who he was. The hotel this position. In a way we have you looked out the window, you literally watched the strip where you can from the window, watching Marines walk from from whether we are really right, you can watch him walk! That's from the honours of the Navy. Man. Yes, banality whenever their time and are bringing it they're bringing back in New York up like a sniper he's like he completely position so perfectly the free we off ramp was right over like it was like half a mile away. He can completely see physically when you could walk and when the packs are going- and he understood just go after people when alone and that people are different when they're out of the context of their social groups, and it's really easy to get to get anything again. So I could see Definitely he use drugs and some guys use boost

some guys you sex and some guys, like you did that thing, but for me he saw a hole in like my love spot, like you saw thing we're I love spa made me fall in love with him. Did he he he was like. I witnessed the master class of a sociopath at the height of his powers. Many had me yeah now alright I remember, love spot reminds me of Jodi areas Julia, which are generally animal, adds. Never here we go but interesting, and some of these Marines were in fact gay, but most were either just looking for rides or looking to get drunk on the cheap, but what they all shared was that they were young between eighteen and twenty Randy Craft took full advantage of their naive attain with Marine Roger Dickerson Craft chewed off his nipple M, o heinous for dumping him on a dead end street off Laguna Beach. After listening,

friends. He'd found someone to drive him to LOS Angeles finding a penis, Madame hurdle lot after Dickerson Three more were killed between August and November of nineteen. Seventy four all picked up at bars or on the side of the road to were just strangled, but one met his end with a four foot. Long tree branch shoved up his rectum cash perhaps the most graphic murder of a marine, and perhaps the most grotesque of Randy's entire spree was that of Mark Hall here and that's what flicking and in the book. describe Mccall Hall, as looking like Ringo STAR, the quote: unquote Slow Beatles, TAT S, the entire dignan other, don't even mean God. all the way and taken from a party where he'd path

out drunk on a couch on New Year's Eve Hall was found three days later naked in dead, with a point: six seven b, a seat, the equivalent of its thirty beers I mean- Technically, we probably had thirty beers in a night yeah, but it is not good for you know in, but it's over appeared now. Will you say thirty beers? In the night you mean, like you, started drinking at seven in you, stop drinking at seven like others, drink it. Well, we might have some Nedda noon, it's a new yeah. He is five seconds long yeah, but it's it's many many hours now. One thing that we can say about many of these murders is that Kraft either did them in his car or beside his car, because, starting with Mark Hall, many showed evidence that the killer was using his car cigarette lighter as one of his tours. or tools always wasn't you a gold star, I think, is that we always is actually think riotous gold star episode in a lot of ways.

It is kind of like it's a lawyer like not really no light. No man eaters, my dad you because he literally shoot me of gentle soft. Yes, cold, start you're, the one who like this guy. I don't like this guy up. Oh my Lord today the eyes I am also just go ahead. Make the announce it now that, like every serial killer episode, we're gonna do from now on is gonna, be a gold star episode book. we're now where we're at with like cover and serial killers, we've covered so many that the ones left are the ones that are too brutal, for people to talk about to be this forever

it's just wonderful, oh god, let's get back to the vibe, please, with this first one craft, it use the lighter to brand hall's scrotum, cheeks, nose, upper lip and finally, his eyeballs. Oh my eyes, us that sounds horrible. His legs had been cut deep, close to the bone and a cocktail swizzle stick had been jammed into his penis all the way up to his bladder finely crafted cut off hall's genitals and shoved. up house rectum along with some unidentified burned material and leaves, and according to the medical examiner Huh was alive through most of it. If you might need this honestly, you might need to so. If you want to play a little drinking game on just every single time we say the word genitals. Ye have taken a big long.

Like usual, you just pass out like you just go to sleep. Isn't that what happened to these poor victim? That's? Why make sure you're alone if you're, usually on the freeway with the thing is, though, yeah don't be driving, because, honestly, they did not put drinking in the list of the things you can do on the freeway and also trying to hang your head off the side of the bed. If you could face down so you just puke on before. Oh, my goodness, and by this point the freeway killings were becoming a bit of a problem, and California, especially after bomber it shown up dead on the side of the road from was, though, like with the night stalker murders. These murders were happening in multiple precincts and they were therefore being investigated piecemeal for the LAPD investigation. You had sergeant John St John aka Jigsaw. John, that's gonna like construction.

and that's a cool name. Yeah he'd been working murders for over twenty years, but despite his ability to put cases together, hence the nickname Jigsaw John. He could see no pattern. Other than that they were all young and male and their penises keep falling. It seems like there's a pattern in seal beach, where half a dozen bodies have been found. You had sergeant Gary Buzzard, but buzzard was also coming up empty, but at the crime scene, where Mark Hall had been found, There was a shattered bottle of liquor, ironically named winners, vodka Randy Craps fingerprints still on it. You know that a good man no round is a winner. When yours I thought about God. Sometimes you are but a lot of the times, especially if it's in a broken bottle of the side of a freeway. Next to a gentle lists court. You might be

not a went, no winners, fog, it sounds like that'll make you blind more so than the cigarette layers should honestly begin. It should be only for closer seer. However, and he had never been arrested, so this bottle would remain on used until Randy's trial, but as Randy took two more victims. The investigation ramped up detectives, look closely at the practice of putting socks into the anus is was implied that the killer might have a military background. Additionally, some had white tissue shoved up their nose for the same purpose of purge prevention, these techniques implied that the killer was driving long distances with the bodies in his car and wanted to keep the whole business from getting messier than it needed to be technically. That's good cop work yeah. They saw their onto something here,

they're trying they are lying, this point they are trying to use the alien. Only we ve talked about this whole time, like you know that they sometimes laziness of cops, could know no bounds, but like this type of massive amounts of bodies This role in up like really shows like a like, oh not like this- is that this ain't good, especially like when the cops look like the victims. You know Yankee start and see your solely a little. You started a little better than will you get a wet upper lip like wonder and, like you, I kind of balance like my brother like me, and you start to like you know, am I next Help me to give him a little bit of fear that is interested in events. Lay the I was brought in for a profile profile said: the killer lives some distance from his crimes. Crews define becomes, and was methodical and cunning. This actually peg Randy's M O, but really didn't do much in terms of capture a psychiatrist. At you see, Irvine also took a step at the profile, speculating that the killer was quote.

Completely baffled as to his sexual preference. I think you know what I've actually when he's such a process, though one thing that we can say is that he's seems to know what he likes: yeah yeah I little to and fro territory. The psychiatrist said that the killer bit the nipples and genitals offers victims to make them female. does June, forcing the killers sell that image Ask him. In Hollywood, just kill women. If that was the case, I ever gum addiction. I actually be also you'd say that correctly Marcus said how am I supposed to say at the guy? I trust sunsets liberalism genitals, offers book terms to make some female some years make about noise on just always studying Nippur, remove its size right profiles, aside, Randy Craft did almost get caught on his thirteenth victim, but unfortunately his presumed assumption that a sheet of gay keeps the cops away proved.

Once again to be correct. Nineteen year old, Keith Crop and fifteen year old Kent may hanging out in a King Lot near Belmont Shore Craft pulled up in his black and white, one thousand nine hundred and seventy four Mustang and offer the boys arrived. They accepted and after a little bit of driving craft, gave them valium with a few beers to wash it down. Eventually can't may notice, just before he passed out in the back seat Randy wasn't taking or drinking anything while he's driving, hey he's driver is where he toes the line: yeah yeah yeah. No, no. He just likes to pick up kids and give him beer and Joma good time. Like all like, do you do that? Dude, stupor, kids Sheila kisses chocolate. Let yesterday I thought you'd, like

in Kenya. Barrier like job I saw a meal is weird and then we're rainy, cravat Amber one bumpersticker and where you had you deserve this today, like goodness, instead of winning on the side of the road can't may woke up in his own bed. Apparently, a couple of other kids hanging out in the parking lot said that Randy's Mustang pulled back in and can't get shoved out onto the pavement unconscious. The kids took can't home, but when Keith Crop well never show cup, those same kids filed a police report. Well over a month later, three teenagers out,

the beach nearer Marina, Jedi, spotted Keith Crop wells, decomposing skull with rotting flesh still attached to the brows, cheeks and temples. The rest of his body was never found. Oh my this, as it always is, should have been the end of it and it should have been ended by the cops, but as it when Randy's deceit, the Mustang was not found by the cops but by two Scooby Doo teenagers, who took it upon themselves to find it holy shit. Above all school. They actually did they, oh my god. If you're a kid, this is kind of cool right in assent, because in this way, will we dream of, but in reality it's really mad Gary, whether the movie, that was it there with the air with Jerry O Conall, and it is the job you boy stand by me and by me what was worse was the fact that the Mustang was

I am less than a mile from where crafted picked up the boys. The kids took the location of crafts car to the police, who sent a detective named MIKE Woodward, but all Woodward was focused on when he went to crafts. Apartment was crafts, big game mustache the poster of a big gay man hanging on his wall and crafts quote on quote gay tendencies when he folk yeah. He showed up. He had a little boy shorts on a lampshade on his head. Just like golly gee, you want some read of you know like the stereotype is formed in the officer's mind. Will at furniture he is one of those guys to where he'd shape shift because Guen, when you see he'd act, supernatural he'd be We did the macho thing like you. The macho thing he's got the fun game normal stand up. Man thing right cause any, as is like me and my boyfriend our time together, and we have we maintain, but doing is every Saturday and then like, and then you have this where he just like the does. The whole like floppy rests.

In Spain to be like right. I worry about me, I mean nothing I'll. Do I would do anything I the army allowing so it scared. Well, after talking to craft, Woodward came up with the theory that craft had picked up the two boys and gave him a little much to drink after dropping one off craft. moves on the other by the marina, but crop. Well, probably just fell in the water. Somehow where's the rest of his body yet given at times it s. Okay, but an appeals are all over southern California and I'll tell you when I go to figure out a mother say you look like you want to talk about this look at the look at the picture. I just took this Warning Yonah haulage area and as a banana appeal right outside the door of my fuckin car. That is a banana peel and too. king again trying to get rid of accidentally accident in the corner, wink winking into a harbor look at

you're the markets. I just get up to a fuckin zoom camera banana equally lay set out in my own country. I see banana appeals on the street Every fucking day of my life It really are checked check your rectum later on Give me now just to make sure. Oh, he know I've been jamming socks up there, just so that he, honestly it pads the royal court room. Will craft according to the police theory, was afraid that his sexuality would be exposed. So when the boy fell into the water, he just walked away to. Let him drown, oh my god, that these stats, the police theory and they were fine This theory by very well ass. What happened boys fallen. Rivers and stay there forever, every not first, after nine ever meeting either boy, but on his second interview he said that he dropped off can't after the kid got to

then he continued driving around with crop well. But when crass car got stuck on an embarrassment crop well wandered off, while they were waiting for a toad does another runaway boy. Let me has lost his entire body, yellow the movie shore Nip now to the detective slight credit. They did surmise after the second interview that this dude totally guild that kid he might have killed. Child, should, let's just rhetoric is that we have enough. No, no, no, no evidence, no body, because that's the thing is that they had gone and talk to him Let him know that, oh, you killed someone. The cops are kind on your trail, ensuring cleaned up his car, I'm sure he made sure there was no evidence and there was nothing there an acting Randy to a murder, there was no body. There was just ahead Lahti, no crime, so we got it. Isn't that has got to count for something, but our craft was set. Free, Cromwell's death was ruled as an accidental, drowning and craft was allowed to murder dozens of times more big remove the head flounder,

I don't know, that's the thing you'll be Sebastian of any political cause a body will dissipate once it gets into the ocean saltwater, fucked, fucks up a body real and then you got the seals. There's a bunch of seals down there. The seals are going to fuck up a body quite a bit, got an email. We seals, sear killers of the ocean, but I also not an email. After we talked about finding skeletons in the under need the water and is actually it they does kind of preserve, like things would be together. His skeleton would be together still is a lot from his head to be separated from his skeleton unless it was snipped off by a seal. of the other half Jeffrey Dahmer Seal. I don't know I'm out, that's it. We're not gonna start passing blame months, user This is more or is already graft. If you are free this weekend get fucking absolute

blind drunk at the zoo of accusing seals of murdering little boys thing is, you could do a tight five in front of the seals and they'll clap for a nap now will possibly because Kraft was getting his kicks, where he began winding down from his more hedonistic bar hopping cruising days, and he became more in did, and dinner parties and vacations at key west. He was becoming a respectable gay visit was happening to our friends not all of us. Eventually we get to. Murder. And now we start getting more injured. It's not so much about going out and getting fucked up all the time. It's about. You know, let's all get together I have dinner like let's take a nice vacation together, yeah yeah we've done blown loads to the dismembered, but of course that's the problem. Boyfriend Jeff graves. However, four years younger than Randy, he didn't feel the same way. They therefore broke up permanently and read

he started seeing another Jeff named Jeff ceiling, described by Arthur, Dennis Macdougall, as quote a chubby apprentice Baker wherever oh come on better, If your bank are one you gotta be absolutely by the start of nineteen. Seventy six ray he would move in with the second Jeff and ceiling would spin eight years living with craft, never once suspecting that his partner was a serial killer. Oh my god, and that's where we'll pick back up for part two of the craft I don't know who anybody is ever, and I just want you to remember that you don't know who your spouse. Is. You don't know who your friends are? You don't know anything really about the I'm going to say it's rare, to find out that your partner, they cereal, murderer to the point where they killed sixty savagely, but twenty five percent, not twenty five percent. Oh my god, one percent. As enough all right, everyone will thank you so much for listening.

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