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Episode 512: Jack Parsons Part I - The Suicide Squad

2022-11-11 | 🔗

This week the worlds of science and magic collide as the boys begin the tale of one of the 20th century's most influential inventors... who also happens to be an occult legend, it's the story of rocket engine pioneer and student of Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons.

This is an unofficial transcript meant for reference. Accuracy is not guaranteed.
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bullshit allah, monotony and then I'll keep naxian until the forgotten. Day, is done friend, because you know ass grass or the angel language. We were more get out of the fuckin truck the truck of course, luke's formula from what I remember from the luke that I went to middle school with it involves dupe data red and the reebok pump so this thing- and you just became later Belinda, you just a sacred, maybe jack, parsons part one. Now we hear last podcast has been a fair amount of air time over the years. Talking about magic Up until now, we focused on the teachers and the creators. People on blood safety and alister Crowley, once you create the branch, the brands continue forward and are hidden in some of your favorite current brats, like bandaid coca cola,
using the magic, uppity anarchy fence. Has the really give a full scope of the magical experienced though we thought it was about time. We focused on us it and in doing so, we hope to explore just what type of person was drawn to magical practice decades after crowley and blood have published the greatest works and were either dead or beyond the height of their influence. This is this worry of the ultimate student of magic. As far as I'm concerned, though, you publicly that we know that a step forward, because jack parsons is all of us, which is interesting because that kind of what is last name means as well. There's a lot of magical elements here, but when I get to Marcus is holding me back, Lately, of course, Marcus is holding you back in no way creating the entire content we have to talk about. Now is jack persons, issues related to Alan parsons at all
the Alan parsons, broad, jack, no or others know you ask them, but I think alum parsons was also science did me: do lasers, wouldn't So I believe so can we do mine too, I can read your main and that, of course, off the famous on I in the sky, by the Alan Parsons. But this is what happened asked. Blavatsky and Crowley. This is what happened in the mid twentieth century when america was far stranger than history has made it out to be when bohemian and claims of unconventional, People use crowley and ideas and practices to live lives that were truly experimental and in doing so they changed the shape of the century in concrete and practical ways, ways that affect your life every single day. It is,
lately true, and it is really interesting to see another person never got involved in ritual magic. It would go to wit really change the fabric of history and jack. Parsons is one of those people, because it's interesting because everybody thinks now a days right everybody's into eaten ass, they're, all fundamental mass and how brave they are Free NASA knew all this kind of shit, but you know who ate ass your ancestors people, lilies, jack parsons, eight ass and develop some and most important rocketry science on the phone. The planet. Try that george you're, just not in your little tick talks you gotta, get out there doing and while you're lincoln bottle. Maybe I colleagues more licking than eating. I've always said I, but isn't that good. Build up an immune system, I suppose sounds healthy
parsons was a man who was certainly one of the most fascinating inconsequential figures of twentieth century science, but he was also a figure of great interest in the field of magic. Jack parsons was one of the first science fiction, nerves who so loved the john raw that he made the supposed fiction of rocket powered flight a reality despite scoffs established scientific figures who maintained that rockets belonged only comic books, songs, goths, literally there were scientists that didn't think rockets were going to work. Most scientists didn't think that rockets were going to The vast majority of scientists thought the rockies didn't when, by the way, when we say rockets, they actually chet rockets were actually thought to be so much blinkem and come that they had to change the name of rocket to guess what today we call them yet
oh, we call them here, but jack parsons was actually one of those people who called rocket travelling to rockets travelling the moon hokum because, again, at the beginning, you'll see the transformation of jack parsons from the sign. Epic, explore to the explorer the inner world, then outer world, because you can see very beginning. He was like we're using these rockets to try and get further into the atmosphere to study for weather and do in various things and study the space in a way that we never could before, but eventually what he would do, though he would set the building blocks for what would send us to space coup to a man like jack. Parsons. Once he made science fiction a reality, he felt that it was not only logical but almost inevitable that he could then do same thing with myths, legends and fantasy. I e magic. Some judges
they're getting closer to being able to reanimate human dead human flesh. I did read an article on that at its centre, hey man. All you, gotta do is get pop into my court. We know that you're hot markets done and you the macro mamsie, but with that confidence and the belief that science and the metaphysical round could be combined. Jack Parsons also admittedly gave another science fiction writer, the final push that he needs: to create the world's first science fiction, religion, which of course, a boy, the most successful new called at the twentieth century science oh gee, I forget, made their real main brain man I'd as we go through these episode. You'll see it's always important that if your starting little religious movement, always keep one foot outside the circle
that allows you to not get run over by the train of beliefs. Absolutely a tubby little man, l ron hubbard, does sound like a teacup that should be able to talk good day we've already mother have already made our we've made our LH jokes in the past, or are done now. L H is the future we're going to talk about, but while jack parsons work in the field of science and his work in the magical realm produce results that are mixed when it comes to consequence, good was never the goal of jack parsons quote unquote, Good news, however, was his goal. Evil quote unquote evil, but neither was he the game, power, money or fame from when I sword, good or evil. That is truth, is a flame, good or evil neutral, think about it. You fucking pieces of shit that come back before when I can tell check part
his only goal in both science and magic was simply to see what would happen and to see how far he could take it. This was not out of a lust for power or even a lust for knowledge, but more for the experience and the accomplishment and other work words. His only goal was to live an expert, Mental life, I'm on it at this point, you just sounds like Russell brand you will you please thereby asked. Did you ever have a job? The jaguar oh yeah yeah, oh yeah, you're, gonna love dissolve magazine made man. Oh no do not grow god. Yes, if you like, I told kissable for this- is that you're? If you, libertarian, the very centre of Europe, the cold, libertarian heart would cry a single red and white and blue tier. If it's red freedom is a two edged sword by jack whiteside hard since, because upper anton Wilson actually puts us. Another famous, libertarian puts this in a very interesting way is that he was for dates.
Right Jack parsons was for men. He was a scientist. He was in a contest. He was a political decision, and he was also an idiot, and it s the best part drew libertarianism knows no country, RO ro group of individuals you all like to get together and complain free with their free metro cards or other neck, and sometimes jack parsons experiments, were positive and sometimes they were negative. Because experimentation is see an unpredictable chicken weird bad ways for parsons and the magic world more often than not, and his scientific work was so recklessly dangerous that it's a miracle he made it to the age of thirty. before he accidentally blue himself. Up. I made my jack Parsons europe, although my butt in true magical fashion, I e the unpredictability of it all the
rageous experimentation of jack parsons in the scientific realm helped give humanity both the technology to destroy self and the means to explore the stars is a candy bar, good or evil of neutral, but nevertheless the road to parsons last fateful day, as a charred corpse in pasadena garage is filled with explosions, sacks fire magic, sex, heartbreak, sex, and betrayal, owing or any boy and our ends, man, his attack was never empty, is already a scientist since whose horny stephen Do you not area already? Wasn't einstein super horny in that movie with meg ryan? They make no known for being quite a horn, both Benjamin franklin,
the area already extremely lively like we're heading into conjecture, I dont know how to live in japan. Rankling was historically horny. Remember that say: have ape and actual bust, a gigantic bust of Benjamin franklin in philadelphia across the street from wearies buried in which he looks visibly horny. He has of down like it's this value you see it in the end at home, at its it'd, take a little flash of that and we'll post that smirky smile with small eyes. Well, as was quoted in our main source. For this series, strange angel by george pendel parson said that if he the genius to found the jet propulsion field in the? U s and a multi million dollar corporation in the process than he should be able to apply this genius to the magical feel this their fucker, was just literally a child. He walked into a university and said we're doing rockets
he didn't like really like the? U literally just let him run we're going to get into it, but he's like why? Wouldn't you think you got the magic touch we're parsons signs and magic were two sides of the same coin, which isn't the most ridiculous notion when you consider the part and came of age in a time when discoveries about the way the world works or coming at one of the most rapid paces in human history. And if you read the book sex and rockets, the colt world, jack parsons by John Carter. There is a he basically talks about how it how we got into to lima in the first place, which is that he felt that their region, writings of book of the law were explicitly explaining quantum physics beyond though he was already. He was seeing science in the magic and, of course, if you read the book sex in red rockets. we'll go to prison in that book. It's it's horrible. The authors currently in jail. He is the dog fucker version of adolf here, he is currently writing his new book
mine, mine did not come up with a right to know. You're walking, logging it'll might learn as a man who was dog called sex right red. Why plugging we looking at dogfight like lugging, however parson with a far better scientist than he was a magician and when it comes physical realm. It could easily be said that one of his partners in them go field was far more successful and consequential that partner, with our own hubbard an hour. hubbard will show up in full force in episode three I am waiting in the wings all night. I view is very good man again, you just gotta keep your head, a swivel when you're dealing with magic. As you say, he was a bad magician.
Not I love you, I did not say was a bad magician. I said he was a better scientists than a magician awoke. You definitely not paid for one scientist by trade magician by desire not long before or parsons and hubbard joined each other in the desert to attempt Alister crowley's moon, child ritual that was supposed to summon the scarlet women of Babylon. Who would bring about the end of the world jack parsons? with little marvel parsons born out of our second nineteen fourteen in los angeles is then was more. Oh yeah yeah. First, they was more values born. Think first, as the first item is the ever a game out of nazi, that's a tough way to break your back marvel called jack by parents had been born in the middle of the great los angeles population boom wherein the amount of residents of the city had grown sixfold from fifty thousand two three hundred thousand in just twenty years.
So in los angeles finally got what I would love to hear them complain about traffic. Three hundred thousand, that's the amount of aid. in in front of me. Right now is not the uk, he this at home, but Kizil just turned in the ante room keep one. Why lies with the real? You wasn't realises boys wonder? Why can we not but what I called in check? They called it jack as he was named after his father right who became headaches. Operated the family separated because his father got little the two into the sex workers for the comfort of the family. Yes, work he wrote a letter to his wife. That was one of those classics like you know today, What I am doing is considered wrong, but in peering out you're everyone's gonna be in tune we're doing so. If someone it's like it's you problem for not be in,
all my time. Traveller time, traveller already, ok, but you would understand our marriage, but, as it's pointed out in the book strange Joe. There was something about los angeles, perhaps the entertainment industry that attracted different esoteric belief systems and alternative ways of thinking, nor this would later, of course, make allay a hot. Four cults. Hey you don't think it's still isn't. It still is buddy, don't count you may I just would later make ala hotbed for colds never said it's gonna be in a hot bathes how he had so warm bed at this point, cultivation to mainstream yeah, mocha everyone, and now everyone just sitting there in their call in their home on their butts in my day, calls he stabbed to go outside or at or at the very least, go outside to go to someone else's house and never leave that our spanish they they had to annoy people outside of subway stations. The hairy christians, I give them credit. They still hang out a union square, annoying everybody, but third, there they're doing an old school and
I would also say there is a little bit of an esoteric edge to the fact that like well. Yes, it was capitalism. Slash like front, like you know, expand some, but like we made los angeles green via the power rather ingenuity. There's something about that worry like obviously, now we're saying that its problem down to put a bunch of green things where it must be a desert, but the magic there is a god, there's a transformational edge. The congolese towards futuristic thought. Now it is the will like it's the concept of will around the time of jack parsons burthen nineteen fourteen you could find killer, utopian communities, christian scientists, spiritualist, Alister, Crowley fell. Lights and Madame Lebowski, theosophists, all right, in LOS angeles, in a town of about three hundred thousand people, another quality that mark loss. Listen. The early twentieth century was wealth and jack parsons like his
to a mentor, Alister crowley. He was born into a life of servants and palaces and the city of pasadena raised by his single mother and his grandfather, but as opposed to crowley's reputation as a health. Mature in crowley. The nickname of the great be six ec sinks before he reached puberty. Parsons was spoiled only child with few friends who spent most time, beating arthurian legends and greek and norse mythology. One day, you'll see I'll eat everybody see within twenty by my like their powers and Earl. That's the hour of the nerves of the young sheldon to me, but that's: ok, oh man, yeah you! Don't they young sheldon, aim, fuckin I believe that these being abused, but now I know it's going it even nerdy or been while parsons join the more fantastical stuff. His true love was early Science fiction. This guy was a true nerd, a tiny
middle pudgy, nerd, specific heads money specifically parsons love, the work of jewels burn, whose stories used actual technical knowledge to extrapolate how space travel or submarines might work and virtue. Isn't the only one doing this h g wells was directing aerial warfare and a story called war in the air writer and a writer named You Alexander, predicted organ transplants and a story had the unsettling title of new stomachs for o lord I wouldn't mind since we have had a weird if it's interesting about how, like that's, why you like about science fiction, especially short form science fiction back in the day, and that allows you to drop these little like ideas in there like I do feel. As we see it was we ve talked about, but we ve got kind of magically projected a latent to stop you to our reality, because the shit that we're all obsessed with the name in the eighties while organ transplants are good.
We are less third, unless your beaten with club and offers any wake up with one kidney lesters, something no one is dead and medically and legally its white positive, very good, although sometimes you wake but needed liked to make rib. But then you wake up in here. Let me when I wanna make grip. It turns out. You got your from somebody with diabetes in EU over parson, these stories blurred the line between fiction and reality today extent were that line extended into the world, the metaphysical as well of myth, legend and the occult concerning the science though parsons was most on two science fiction stories about rockets which, in the nineteen twenties working by scientific minds to be pipe dreams. Even though people have been experimenting with the technology for centuries will, I think they said the closest they could get up
you think they ve got something up like a mile high about how to do that, and then there, like, we ve done it. shot a thing old man alive the old sailor onward work, everybody not back good work and his leg gnashing mission complete while rockets were somewhat under. and if we consider unfeasible because most of the people who conducted these experiments tended to blow themselves up whenever they tried. It ah call, for example, the first recorded attempt at rock flight occurred in china in the year fifteen hundred when a man named one who strapped forty seven black out or rockets to a wheelchair affixed to heights I'm sorry I didn't ago long ago was sensibly. The rockets would propel him up into the sky and the tides would enable him to sustain flight after he reached out do, I would have loved to be disguised fray lad were there there, there was
in the you know the whole town got around all these big barrels of shit and he's got a tie he's just like. Why? Don't we put a gold ribbon on a chair. That'll make a nice really good at nice. When we go hat when I'm shoot up to Heaven, I meet the dragon that encircled, his son or whatever will show them, will have gifts and shit and they're like high five and and stuff man that must have been fun right before you lit the fuse yeah they're, all forty seven rockets exploded all at once. Then at least the challenger got off the ground yeah and the resulting blast disintegrated, one who so thoroughly that he seemed to disappear into thin air or more likely a chunky red mist? Ah, so did it work? That's the and I mean a baby- they did maybe like. He was very sad. He just here they all audience skull likeness well. I guess that's what how there was supposed to go to work for whom warfare there were also stories
history involving primitive rocketry by writer, george pendel research arm. Were using rocket powered arrows as far back as one thousand eighty and rocket brigades we used by everyone from the british to the french, the americans, up until the war of eighteen twelve. Now I'm could be wrong, but they were kind of like they were similar to sort of like fireworks. In a way right where they would just kind of shoot a thing off like, I don't really understand how they how old school rockets worked. Well, I mean it's true. It is having something a long distance in order to stab some one? I think with the brok in the one thousand like one thousand eighty and the rocket brigades working on trying to block. the lobby or using rockets trying to blow people up from a long distance away. I think just a bit it just a bit of gunpowder, ass, they were doing it and twelve forty one they were justly was fire arrows at the time that concern of those rockets swipe but rocket brigades were abandoned because- they blew themselves up far too often because a black powder. It's a lot of saltpeter or they couldn't do
on their promises consistently enough to be countered on in a battle plan. Really by the time jack parsons seems like rocketry had been relegated mostly to recreational fireworks outside of a few researchers, because there some men who very much believe in rocketry shores and is how jack grew up in pasadena. He had a whole desert where he could fire off homemade rock in blow shit up with his grandfather using materials he gathered from store, bought fireworks. That is fun. It is kind of interesting that it it's probably it. It sounds vaguely like a rich since hobby that they can actually get away with this shit. He said he had the money and the resources the by this them. Yet of my that's true to the idea of blowing its, they had gone out of up yet extra yeah yeah blount will take that back like people took that knee from the rich people. Blow shut up in the desert is certainly not a high floatin hobby, but
did they not anymore? I see what you say: yeah yeah yeah. I go, I will get which mean now parson whose homes schooled until the age of twelve, but when he was suddenly sent to. public junior high puberty. He arrived as a fat. Little feminine mama's boy with are high pollutant manners, they didn't do well on a los Angeles playground, I mean what do you do grant a little prince andrew sees me doesn't know. You know his whole life been living in the cedar line, mansions pasadena, where they would just hand him books are like. Learn the history of the world like I was when used. They have like a book that would just called like germany You, like you, just learn everything about germany and that's all you do for days. Many have You might be a little strange now. This is the perfect. I mean it's just it's a perfect storm of pure and utter horror that all of us had to go through your idiom. Puberty he's thrown into, and bob is now in the deep and and he's just like. Oh you,
don't love rockets, I mean just immediately punished in the face. That's the thing combine that with the fact that he arrived every day in his grandfathers, limousine wearing a tailored woollen suit in an affected british accent and carrying around a stack of science fiction magazines. Oh man, I mean what are they call em in the jaw rifkin series and abuse unit abuses? It's hard. They don't get everybody else's like play outside You know everybody else's like playing with a group in a stick and had beaten each other up and vacant. Message with girls and read the bleachers instead and then you literally have the router genius arrive like a just listen to my tales of being eight, but there can be
coming from money. I'm sure there were some kids. You thought it was a good time who saw that I had the good stuff good toys and things mowing hand this kid. His name was edward foreman to parsons great luck. He was save for a particularly serious b. And by kid two years older than him outward form and pulled the bully off and broke the bullies knows what s beginning a lifelong friendship, nicely nerds always acquire goon. Always I had a pretty good goon squad myself growing. Oh yes, there important cultivate your Oh you're goin treat your gun with enough kindness, so they don't turn on you, but enough pressure rim and now that they also understand to heal when its importance for the anxiety, you do understand, you're talking out loud and no no actual omitted. me personally entail high school to develop the skills to gain a goon squad. But then
add the boeing stopped, because that's the thing I turn some of my bullies and my gun squad. There you go mad, easy flippant, boomer, gotta flippant now, foreman, actually like hearing parsons talk about science fiction becoming science fact, because foremans father was an engineer and it didn't hurt. The parsons was given: twenty dollars a day by his grandfather for pocket money at a time when the average wage was twenty six cents, an hour hey, he was going every year at school. Oh, he added oh yeah, with twenty, like of like five hundred bucks in his pocket. Essentially francis from pee wee blake's big adventure yeah he was yeah. He was. He wasn't quite that bad, but we'll bet, los angeles, for instance, was a dummy and a bully in his own writing the worst kind of a rich get marius. But while one might think that foreman was only in it for the merging she in parsons, soon started working on plans on how they could build them.
rocket like those to the moon go and they spent so much time experimenting with explosives that their nickname at school was the powder. Among Yes, like a rivers, cuomo side project, not man. I I tell you I remember this one time I showed my mom I was like I went feverish all of I was so possesses a little kid about how I wanted to be an inventor rate like I was obsessed with this idea. So he's like build things in the house and a bit like mom. Look at the time is right and should be like father I about to get divorced. You want to deal with it right by then at the time. I showed her this design for a cape that a bunch of pockets in it that I was like I'll jump on this and I'll be able to like fly it'll, be like a superhero, and I remember my mom being like Emmy thomas. You are never going to be able to fly I'll. Always I will never than I do that was watching dean came superman, ran with. I remember now,
answer. She shut off the tv to be like you, ve, never been flyin returns and even once- and I remember being sad and I wouldn't put all my papers and I put him away now look at me. I fly fucking. Three times a month absolutely and you've learned to hate it yeah you really hated. I think it's the thing you hate most in life very much yeah, but at the same time. Parsons also claims that around this age he had his first mystical experience. Though, not much is known as to what actually happened or how it happened in his early high school years. He's like thirteen may be twelve parsons and that he tried invoking the devil in his bedroom. Yes bear inherent spoken, so I used to remember I remember I used to get all my wicker books and shed, and we start by demons. May I was but also when you're thirteen. to imagine you're the devil in your like. I dont want to hang out in your twelve year old river,
I don't want you to help me. You got your comic books, the horrible or in your disgusted parsons. However, said that the experience was a quote: magical fiasco whenever that me, while at certain The ecb added an interest in the occult. It also put him off serious practice until he was more prepared. So who knows what he actually summit? I dont think he summoned. The devil is its neighbour need the love, a love of god. I need to channing. Stop must stop alright, because if not, I'm gonna be I know it's there and then get I'm going to accept this step, but I'm gonna have to beat the living shit out of you and I don't want to hey, there's! The fiasco, isn't me, ask three ask yo sounds like you just build all of his beakers. He just everything turned out after berlin. Where do I find, I have anyway
a magical piazza. Meanwhile, jack parsons was blown up so much shit at home with edward form. that is mothers cinema to military school and, of course, when you got there woman could no longer protect them, but just like a class cloud, uses, laughter to ward off bullies, parsons, his knowledge of explosives, sway added to impress the other kids I am probably just to see if he could pull it off. Parsons blew up every toilet in the category all at once, a year has seen others oh yeah, and he got kicked out as a result, welcome Well, even cooler did yeah, it is cool and I was going back and now he can go back to the old school there and be like what hap man, while you bat did the kicked out. I was too bad as for military school? They call me rocket nerd. He returned home but found that the field of rocketry in air travel was rapidly gaining traction.
their people, his age were starting to get into it, and nineteen seven when parsons was just thirteen, he made contact with future german rocket science. Vernon VON Braun, braun was only seventeen years old we'd. How heavy factor that happened? That is an omen pen pals. They used it. On that allows. What's he added you spread this the back? It is also a time period were like you could call up a historical figure on the phone now. Just like pick it up, it would have been a gap and if they are still can't walk, It was easy to do just that. I mean they're, seventeen and thirteen. You know, and these are the guy as who are, I mean, you know, verner von braun, not a spotless record. What was still partly responsible for sending men to the moon and, of course, jack. Parsons is also responsible for quite a bit of space travel as well, but these two guys are talking on the phone at thirteen and seventeen was suddenly. Parsons was fifteen. The gravy train that
he'd ridden all his life suddenly came to a stop when the stock market crash that cause the great depression wiped out Almost all of his family's wealth town were parsons figured. There wasn't really point in continuing school. He was too smart for it He had all the knowledge he needed to work and explosives and propulsion and he was never going to be able to afford college and- There is also no college that was gonna, seriously study rocketry anyway, so he bucket I'm going to do it myself. He dropped and he got a job at the hercules powder company fuckin walking around with dynamite Wow dude. This is truly like an example of what I would call the basics of magic. thinking you can poohpooh me all you want, but, like you saw the straight line, you saw a straight line. we're going to go right to gunpowder. I don't need to learn math. I don't need to learn biology. I mean he will learn. Bat math, eventually kinda, but still it was all cobbled together. It's
but he doesn't need. The learned is that he doesn't need to be taught that shit like that. All that stuff comes now and he can put in the work himself to understand. These also cause it's the thing. They cannot be overstated, how fuckin, naturally brilliant jack parsons also was yet all of it is self taught. May I just Save hercules. Hercules, hercules circular he's been saving it. But more than enough, even in germany, have fire magic and the member there was some fried chicken in that scene. To leave her, I mean I lived on klomp avenue for a bunch of years of wars and that's it He said, there's that picture of you and your family Ups No Are you hiring what type of roller you hiring for? Maybe you need to you're some to where many hats, which can be challenging or you might a simple position to fill, but it's taking forever to find someone who is a great fit for your company, whether you
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meanwhile arsons was advancing at the hercules powder company at his own peril because on average at least one worker I'd per year due to a little explosion at their plant in Pineau, lay so fuckin corps. It might be higher. I thought the number might be higher one you're, you bad it she's crazy really work places were just shit. We're just explode, Would you like? Well here goes jerry and Now what it's on average one worker per year. So that means that, like you, might You might go like two years without losing anybody, and then you lose five all why right outright, but soon enough foreman also took an apprenticeship at the hercules power company and finally gave both of them access to high grade explosives and materials.
Parsons inform and also began to discover that they were the only ones obsessed with rocketry another group of rocket aficionado named, the international planetary society had almost launched a seven foot tall rocket using something other than black powder as propulsion systems One was using black powder at that time for rains now granted One of the members of the ip s had been engulfed in flames when he ignited their experimental rocket by hand, There are two reasons why you against what it's up out of the expiry, sir, but nevertheless parsons informal, figured they could improve on the system could again you're sort that everybody is on fire you we view as improve animal really need began work on what would change rock. Tree and therefore the world forever liquid rocket fuel. What you're kisses drinkin right now
So lately it's for my rock star lifestyle. Here I am sitting have you have you been drinkin that rock star reserve Ben No, I am, and I dont want, touched his age fifty near about results. If I have one worse than that of a day, did you guys have brockett clubs at high school high school, because I remember the rocket clubs like they were not cool. they were like a step above the horse people I built rockets when bought by me. As by myself. I go rockets when I saw that a new tax law- yes up through you, yeah newman. I will build them. Sometimes I would build them. Sometimes myself at I'd. There was one other friend who would build rockets with me, but yeah dude. I was way in the model rockets. I could get those fuckers the launch pretty I sometimes they would explode on the ground. Now I did exploded couple on the ground, but yeah I've told you gain markets. We will look. Let's do rockets,
great idea. That's a great like morocco, p, behold, whole blow your frickin hand off and then it'll be awesome. Libya We could have cause unions, media laws, if only I do our throats will be fine and that's her a great idea guys now when it came to the world of science, At this point in history, the focal point for the most exciting, revolutionary and dangerous stuff was happening at caltech in pasadena, the hometown of jack parsons sea, while caltech had edwin hobble workin on telescopes, Thomas more, in developing chromosome theory, Carl Anderson, bring the positron and charles richter inventing the richter scale all at the same fuckin time in the same place. It also had albert einstein and robert Oppenheimer, whose respective works would lead to the creation of the atomic bomb. Yet, but then cow state had the guy, the
ended dutch aubin, which is when you fart, underneath the eyes and ears like yours. Partners had of anything, so they just use net is counting on the alleged had oj simpson there. You go fantastic interesting. We, though caltech, was founded by a man who was already mixing science with mysticism long before jock parsons had done so astrophysics, professor Gregory Hale built lodging for other astronomers, could only be accessed by a nine mile hike and he named this place the monastery, some good you're, all kind of like because oppenheimer also was kind of mystical to only all. You had got when we here today on the manhattan project. We're gonna, get an oppenheimer's real, weird, mystical, shit, yeah the monitor adorned with egyptian symbols. It became the location of monastic rituals, led by george Hale himself and without
doing any of this caltech was where parsons showed up at the age of twenty looking for like minds, and his confidence was so much. He showed up at twenty years old as a heist drop out she just rolled up yet levels. Are you made owed up like an I'm, your rocket guy, which is still how my mom thinks show business works? walk in Henry Thomas. Have you thought I dont ashore with innovation. No, no. My fuckin haven't not once isn't that on Broadway. Why would you know what no I refuse artwork
see? Parsons and Forman have been drawn to caltech by an article that discussed the possibility of using rockets to power aircraft. What we call jet engines eventually, they were put into contact with a student named frank molina, who was just as obsessed with rocketry as parsons and forman were together. These three would convince caltech to give them meager funding, eventually to begin work on rocketry, despite the fact that neither parsons nor format where students at cal tech soon enough, they were developing some earliest liquid fuel rocket engines. These are children with no training and they always you issues just started doing it yeah. Now, at this point, most scientists caltech thought that rockets were quote. As I said, something to be left to the comic book. but the one person who was forward thinking enough to give our boys a chance? Was a scientist archetype named,
Theodore VON carbon, these they stock its dark brown. let me start rap doctors, Theodore VON com, he was a re wearing absent minded, professor, with a thick bavarian accent who had a reputation. Four romancing, the wives of his students and hosting parties with his sister were both of them would wear japanese kimonos for no discernible reason v. Be fond and eclectic. Really why we prize breasts means is the press breasts gratulating ourselves being related, wow bro you. First of all, you fight my wife, and then you get me a c on this paper. If you're going A guy. Can you at least an a now because she was bad there was no. He was actually for. He was famous for giving I think he was the one who was famous for giving lectures.
in. He would give the first half of the lecture and german not realising that nobody in this class spoke german and then he would realize I'll fuck em so be given this in english, but he would start over he do the rest, a big mac, current, anglo saxon expect you to figure out what the first half of the lecture was about. Well, there's some! Hence in there to be a free country so my snuggled, but what carmen is best known for his work and keeping bridges from it Snug minded. I got this emotional yours. I could see him right in its writing it inside of a candle meal, I do, but what carmen is best known for his work, in keeping bridges from collapsing, as often as they used to, particularly after the nineteen ready to common narrows bridge disaster that occurred just after the bridge experienced its first light, gale of wind Surprisingly, the only fatality in this collapse was a cock
spaniel named Tubby The boy was job beyond the bridge. Bartleby was in somebody's, he was in his owners, car and the got out, tubby couldn't get out as tubby was tubby and those of photo journalist and a professor named far Carson, who tried rescue toby, but eventually the car satellite based minds. spent nine struggles tardy. Well, you know that's having project, plunged to his doom and the owner was compensated. Seven thousand dollars in today's money for the abbe better than they do now and others blame us for me you fat for the bridge just money, no doctor VON carbon was able to fix. Actually, I think he was a professor professor vote professor VON karman was able to fix. These failures bridge design because he was in charge of the good
in time aeronautical, laboratory at caltech named dulcet. For short, and using how it might be gal kit, because of debating rally beginning to caltech around those of others, doubt kiss cow, we see elsie. I don't like it I set off stay down else. It sounds like your pay your knee looking at a woman from grass, the bark shelf gal set by gal kit sounds off I don't like gal J. I don't know why, but around you're the author would using gauss its wind tunnel VON carmen was able to create new ways of designing bridges that wouldn't collapse and strong. When such grain gauss it was also where jackpot Since edward foreman and their new crew member Frank Molina took their rocket proposal and while nor VON carmen was unable to give them any funds. He allowed them to use gases, facilities, even though only one of them was actually a student caltech and whom he was not only the only student
he was the only one with a high school diploma, oakley ad, that during the time the parsons was doing all the dye, why work that was impressive enough to gain and free access to high tech collegiate facilities? He was also Certainly no monk when it into the ladys nodded. He all. He had this prepackaged there's something about nerves now, Doma these guys, it's like they figure it out because he was horny. Horny horny, as though you I would say, is that you so you like a baby fat. He had like a sort, he had eraser head hair, buddy, fuckin, rocked it. It looked coup rule yet even further. Always but like he was always a there, and yet he was always immaculately dressed. He would where no one ever saw with, while without wearing a vest like do. Tat can still go on get airily, though that he did have a sweating issue. Did he s true yet sweating issue and he was a cold. The mcnally weren't, you ever see him in anything above sixty seven
greece, he sopping wet- and he was kind of like that. But some girls like that sort of like the absolute So then he's not like prince Andrew, though You classified him is earlier. Although we have learned, people who knew prince Andrew that he does sweat and, of course, useful life, yeah well jack parsons. Also, he would sweat a lot he also what he would do. He was one of those guys it thought he could hide it with cologne. you just mixed. You know that like cologne, yo mix I am pleasant, uber driver it's so bad, so bad with nineteen. Thirty three, two years before parsons gained access to Gal said he met his future wife and one of his future partners in magic, Helen Northrup. Ironically, at a christmas, ants at a baptist church, but she was the right woman man, so you just know because She was just as freaky is in no small part
had been raised with no strong religious affiliation Helen. Grown up half which he and half christian, very calm and her family had moved pasadena after her mother chose the location through the use of a weed g board, but her stepfather a strict, baptist only allowed Helen to attend extracurricular activities at the baptist church when she came of age. This was where she met jack, parsons and Helen strict chris step, father encouraged a relationship with this handsome young scientists not knowing this same young man had attempted to summon the devil in his bedroom. When he was a child, it was a fiasco I realise that the fiasco, but even though parsons was a good looking dude who was immaculately dressed at all times. He was still a scientist and he courted Helen. Like a scientist, I would put him in the he's in the eagle spangler
yeah well, I'm a scientist work. He was a I added there's something that you might. He collects mould sports fungus, yes put gears something uniquely charismatic about him, where he people were kind of like because, again, shows, and this is for everybody out there that, like you, know, where's your purse, then sup like that when you are envelop so deeply in your interest in your specific interests, people due to it and your passion, like of your passionate about something people really and that's me- was He was really true believer when it came to science. One night he took hell on a date and invited his body, edward foreman, along, but after parson spent hours talking the foreman about right. Gets, instead of paying the least bit of attention to his date. She left without telling him, and neither man noticed, fought the relationship continued.
since both jack and Helen were becoming increasingly wiki, she in parsons would attempt to communicate telepathic lee when they were apart both tuning in at nine p m each night, because they couldn't afford long distance phone call That's got a romantic now. The field idea aroma idle its survival. a little bit like that, the conversation was probably pretty good cause. He was so with himself, so he would probably just All you want to suck my dick again. god I mean when I finally another girl, you wanna, buy me morcerf sweet honestly, be nice. Show your tickets to the moon. Thinking about your boyfriend, sometimes so think about a new, never know you never know, saw and heard you show your pussy did the sky, but since they seem to be well matched and all the ways that mattered parsons proposed to Helen.
A year later, with three kara diamond ring and at twenty five caliber pistol, oh ok and he was oh absent minded at their wedding in nineteen, thirty, five that he forgot to kiss her at the end of the ceremony. Oh my god, bubble, executive You realize how do you forget to kiss her? You think I used to get a kiss. You know like easel above because everyone's go and everybody is on fire you're only going to happen, explosions of eventually jack and how and settled down. Pasadena were parsons gotta day job at the halifax powder company, because apparently California was fucking full of dynamite factories. At this point, in time since they were now permanently in pasadena parsons, could devote even more time to his rocketry work at gauss it. But since parsons entire life was splices am propulsion. At this point he spent
all the money he made on rockets and rocket accessories and Helen was in a constant battle with her husband just to meet the basic cost of living because he bed all their fuckin money on rocket. Soon literal like he would have been in another world. He sounds like timothy mcveigh, like the more quote: unquote like innocent time, where it was like they would literally eat on barrels of dynamite like shit like their home, was filled with Most of the material is kind of fun, though, isn't it yeah? I mean parson, I mean at one point like his wife is in the back of his car and she just discovered loose sticks of dynamite. his head. You now casually tossed like so many half eaten dollar managing all workers are those were for, though, another time parsons working in the makeshift explosives lab on the back port to the home he and Helen shared when he got a call
that is grandmother was being rushed to the hospital, but at the same time he was heating up a large vat of explode. you really don't wanna, be startled, be startled at this point, so he handed a spatula to Helen and told her to keep stirring and under no circumstances stop until he came back, presumably without telling her what would happen if she stopped. You want me to get coffee, two or you do not affect only major each story. However, even though parsons could be thoughtless, he was also generous and good. Natured he was prone to adopting stray animals he had allowed our very doubtful, we eventually domesticated it and he had a pet owl boat, hang around and that's cool man. I want to know that yeah and this, of course extended a stray people as well and parsons, usually left Helen to be the villain who had to kick these dudes out of their house. yeah, then that would be a running theme, but while parsons was
in all his money on rockets and rocket accessories. He and his partner spent what little time off they have from their day. Jobs, scrounge, in California. First spare parts, sleep. They had enough to complete their first rocket. chose halloween nineteen, thirty six as the date of their first test well that's kind of romantic. Their little little treasure hunters together, isn't that nice lethargic amateurs, dynamic ziyadi. It's like my ordinary lives now is to build a giant bomb. So it's fun. It's bomb. It's a rocket way day. Let's you say at the time it's a bomb in the tube Hu, I ve come a bomb. Bravo, above anything, obama make a booming barbara. Now you just did so. Did you fuck? You in location in the northern area of the arroyo seko near devils gate. Damn the trio almost set
selves on fire and a failed lauch. Yes, they did but fifteen days later, tried again with greater success. By january, they got a rocket motor to fire long enough without exploding that they were alone. Come out of the desert to perform rocket motor tests on the caltech campus, albeit they still, but they did still have to do so without funding may I just blow and his money blowing on ever left what bad upon hellenes engagement, ring yeah. Yeah failure and they got Helen to request gap and they got Helen to request cash advance, since from her job, so they could pay for rocket parts. Last wife, young last wife, while eventually she did become sick enough of being their bank role, that she made parsons and foreman dust and sweep her entire house before she would give them five bucks for a rocket part. I go babyhood yeah did they get even now tell you gone spangler. Do we tell you
spangled that, yes, the mob vows to do. You know your os you're, not gonna great job at the problems. Who is it No, that they're all like talking you're, barely at near display, our aid is your fuckin five dollars lightening you for the attempt, but is lessons foreman molina began their work on campus. They picked up another crew member, a chinese graduate student named chan, shoes sin I its jan, who soon yeah she I set it up, and the rocket research group was a fish We recognised by gauss it as a fully financed projects were so now. The chin was a part of. growth and money was coming into play. Parsons could now pull off bigger and therefore bore dangerous experiments and their reputation for playing with fire in very poor. Ways around them. A nickname on campus soon were being called the suicide squad. That is amazing. while they were, they were
legitimately. A dangerous group of people in a bad way. It was just the in the honest nick there's just something about it. I love that idea. I'm like the honest name of science, like were born, shit up today go outside and they just like, strap a bomb to see what happens in there they're all like watching with binoculars. while things just explode, all around them is very dangerous suicide. Its clad in their first big fuck up. They managed to kill all the grass in the front line of the chemistry building, with an experimental liquid that exuded highly toxic and potentially fatal. vapours. I just love when cartoon characters are real yeah. Twenty nine one of the thing about histories of certain digs pop up and you wonder where they come from and you're like just this The idea that they were all like these bumbling mad scientists at all real in another fuck up. They tested a rocket in the staircase of the gals at building and that rocket, of course, malfunctioned, and it's
brad, corrosive fog that left a layer of rust on every metal surface which the racketeers had to scrub off while the faculty janitorial staff, stared them down. oh wow other times members, The suicide squad would just light We blow themselves up Someone who heard any sort of loud pop on campus they run their window to see if one of the squad had accidentally killed themselves, but the most the diamond actually literally see them lying on the grass like blackened and our like wily coyote it's a day to be in college nook, low themselves out of rooms through window. Yes like when the through windows, like that, just a power being like twenty. Were you get up and be won't. Whoa, like you know, with guy, goes on with your airs sticking up and look it's cool. We're like I can't get out of this chair right now,
to quote not quaintly absolutely, while these guys and what a crazy time for college kids, we had nine eleven we saw a little bit more than a tree experiment in out of house, but, interestingly, the suicide squad, and particularly jack parsons expertise and explosives would have real world consequences in the world of true crime and civic corruption. News stories amazing in the nineteen thirties. Los angeles was under the thumb of a corrupt mayor named frank shaw: Shaw, under investigation by an anti corruption advocate named, cliff Clinton and Clinton had tapped and lapd Officer named Harry raymond to investigate in the middle of the investigation, though raymond gotten his car turned the key. I was damn near, killed a car bomb. No can new man is like it's good. Nineteen, thirty juice, crazy. Now all signs
pointed towards police chief Earl kind net as being behind the assassination attempt because kinect not only a well known crony of mayor shaw, but he had also been found with a garage full of materials that it probably been used to construct a car bomb. No, no, no, it should have died. My materia did to collect she and I are going to arrest you I am literally the police. You know I mean circuits, possibly circumstantial, so sure prove that those materials could in fact be the same. That were you. in the attempted murder of Harry raymond. The prosecution went to caltech and asked hey. You got any body that can do explain this to us and they said fuck yeah, syn jack parsons, send in the side squad YAP, parson
was easily able to build the exact same bomb. The police chief had built by extrapolating the materials found in the garage- and he even took the jury out to attesting site, to use the car bomb to blow up a car, so fuckin his all nerd bonus across the fuckin. More than just a you know, I'm be one hundred percent accurate with this, as you can see, this bottle of scotch is half god, because I know for sure of debt is well aware that talks are now let's test the by its cut. You know cause again. He one thing logic parsons as you'll see, is that he did like attention langwidere. He did like. There was a showman, an aspect which is where I think the magical shit really comes in. I think people who explode things and for for fun, often like attention and when the damage in the test was found to be nearly identical to the damage to raymond's car chief skynet was sent to you
Why was parsons now This time, possibly boosted by his own slight celebrity jack parsons, began to build himself into a bit of a legend to promote his group's ideals rocketry and to gain additional funding. Parsons began work on a novel that he planned to sell to it. Jim studios, for an adaptation, a story of espionage, murder, and organised labor it. I was back when the union movie was big, but then the problem is that also then get investigated for your politics really hard time purity of your super protein. as opposed to now, where everything is so beer clear, but is just so you he was like I wrote a screenplay. I intend to sell it to em gm. Not I think that they just say: no, do you know This is back in the day, though, you can really like, if you had it, there was an interest because he was becoming a public figure and everyone was interested in the stuff, but it was also like more like there. You are
the play of imagination, the I knew you would come up a law. It would come like the big guy. These guys we're all sullen scripts I couldn't molina too, was trying to sell a script with a hero. Franklin Hamilton is pretty much jack arson softened? The other members of the suicide squad were turned into characters, though, are also, based on their personalities. it was Lynn LAO a man torn between, but Turning to china, king on rockets in america there was Thomas I will conclude a you organised organizer with a deep hatred for nazis. the ice cream, one o my favorite with defraud franciscan monk named theophile bell
the dear. I go to my deal de dark hair. I owe my boots interesting about theophile belvedere in particular, is that the character had an extreme interest in the cabal which magical students know is the ancient jewish mystical tradition, that is the foundation of most right hand, magical practices. Now he Was I e basic character off of himself like that? Was him saying he was already getting involved in the stuff because he just ran across this writings? Bucky's we ran across was on accident when it was around this time. The jack parsons also found a book called conchs arm packs written in nineteen o seven filled with quotes from sir so the koran and Dante cox on packs was a sort of puzzle book of the occult it spoke of mystics demons and magic, and it was written in
such a complicated and byzantine style, that it reminded jack parsons of the technical aspects of rocketry, which were themselves still being written and as it turned out the Sir of contacts on packs was none other than Alister crowd. well I'll get into my ass. Clark would probably be Alister crowley's to paper kind of shellfish because it does look like a penal and, above all, at the same time, and above all, right and kind. Well, another I think about it, you're correct, because the buttonholes actually also a symbol of the sun but whole the vagina, urges symbols of the sun and the moon and conquer. impacts is also a kong's. Own packs is also a restoration of elba acts which is luke's, which is a part of the luke's formula. This concept that you learn
as you go through the o t o it's kind of a it's a it's a working formula. It's very complicated, but cox on pax was actually a book that Alister Crowley wrote as sort of a child's invitation. This is one interpretation of it as a child's or invitation to the occult, so he wrote the stories for his daughter and as soon as you read them, because I have been half sick with fucking like this whole week and trying to understand it again, because you forget it's layers of layers of allegory that you kind of have to cross check references as you go, because that's how Alice currently like to write it was a. It was poetry to be worked on and he was immediately interested in this. any the layers. That's within its interesting gruner, you can why ritual reaction. Ritual magic is really interesting to born nerds, because you are a it's a puzzle it just one on your lap and you kind of like the more you read it, which is. I don't know how
in all of its like how when I was reading dianetics and by like our ten of it, it starts to make sense shouldn't you really mean I don't know. I don't know whether what it can that's kind of how this book is as well like. I was pouring it for hours and eventually, like oh, that's, interesting the allegory it's a D talks about it, basically right to children's tale. That tells the the how, you go through the various degrees in a way which is his version of like the otiose united now, I also in henry, I I don't, I want to recommend a diet networks for you. National hauled bomb experimenting with another that's the way, as well as our ownership to the moon right. There, muddy dianetics, part of the reason re why that shit starts to make sense after about ten hours. I think the whole point of it not the whole point of it, but I think part of the intellectual ex
size of it is that you just read this shit and tell your brain. Is that a way to make it makes sense to you like its imagination and eventually you can find you can figure out the puzzle, but it's what the puzzle means to you rather high could possibly everyone in that's out, Sir Crawley in particular its all the house. I personal and you do something about that. That speaks to someone who is independently driven and near like- and I think there is about because it is reference to many theres. Many like stories admits that are attached to it, especially the illusion it's in all this stuff. It's like kind of layered within it, and you you get to see what he it's all references. So we can it's it's it's why? I love a book that has a map and the front of it. You know
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when event by some friends of there's a pair of gay siblings named John and france as baxter. The event in question was a gnostic mass for the church of flame and the group whose in the event, was the ordo temperley orient us better known, as the o t o specifically parsons, had stumbled upon the gop, a lodge which had been founded by Alister Crowley himself over. twenty years before. Well, you wanted to start a bow. You remember from the Alister crowley episodes which you should listen to. If you want to know how, if you want to catch up to this series, should listen to the alleged crowley up soda and the ehler on harboured episodes to kind of see how we got here, but he try to go to allay, but it was too out it was new, he likely he s yet now to crowd, did not enjoy the temperature labelling you couldn't remember you, and I could see that you see where's the lot of layers,
We feel that alister crowley could have succeeded farther and life if he had been around for the invention of gold bond It is very difficult for him. Air conditioning may have done unwell parsons when he ended this event. He was, of course, attracted to the clause. I masonic gestures of rituals that he witnessed, but what really caught his attention was something new sex match We are already doing something about a baby. I don't know what be the sum of behaviour it s about eight years ago. That I think, is that there's breasts, did you go in the north? The mask he keys went to see the gnostic mass, which is very long. It is a pity. It's an hour and a half long thing did you go to, but it's got a teddy
and it's a lot of like sticking swords and cops, and all this kind of stuff is very horny feeling and you're like spawning at the ropes and jin oh yeah, and he saw a priestess stroke, the lense of a priest which was followed by the priest, kissing the priestess between her breasts, while lavishly cinch, we'll declarations were made, I'm happy my priest in doing that man, he asked you lookin. He kissed me between my brow. spoke, he was deprives what he found. There was a little boys heart. You lose some of those lavishly sensual declaration silence. I yearn to you pale or purple Do they actually is? grandma, pleasure and purple. Miss of the innermost sense, I desire you burned me, perfume,
where to me jewels, drawing them The blue, related daughter of son, said I am the naked brilliance of the voluptuous night sky. To me to me, gotta go like a garbage man and they got a guy and why not caused undermine our line of Antioch their allowed to be sensual, because when it comes down to it, he can't I get. Obviously there will in the intent Yes, we have read. It varies, horny smoking to you view of a luxury. Was I pleasure and purple and drunk drivers of the innermost sense design right? I don't want to hear anymore this from your markets. By entering it has raised me the blue to sunset. I am the naked brilliance of the voluptuous. save it for their wives. Guys come out to me, I'm
having one god, damn it he's fucking me. I understand what's happening in an obscure someone already has banned fiction about. That is, and I know for a fact they do. We read it. Monsieur like this was catnip to a romantic intellectual like jack parsons, who is coming closer and closer. looking at magic. The same way he looked at rocketry. In fact he rolled with everything at that first mass, including the partaking of the infamous cakes of light. Oh yeah. Now, if your amber cakes of light were perversions of communion wafers. There were typically baked with minstrel blood or seamen depend oh interesting, oh good name. I actually find it interesting because now the week we call it perversions of the community, but actually to when I certainly understand upon this layer of reading. It could ever subatomic come back to crowley and magic, and I back into it reading it again you certain saying that stuff
versions, is delusions eventually going back to the essential incentives like cousin transom say creation right. Have you do believe in the catholic right of mass, as if you believe that is magically turning into human? this is actually just cut, not the middle man of your imagination and going straight to know we put the blood in it, because the blood is the very creative force of human life, but do well look at him. Look at me like I'm fucking nuts, will you are trapped in here with me. You are screaming things that a crazy person would scream at to get a lotta call. I've got a springle jack of it. Yes, that's why I like regional yeager, meister drilled dear blooded. Now really, yet in the orgy YAP, much like coca cola had cocaine yeager, MR actually had dear blood in it for flavour but then I give up with some other way to do the flavor that involve deer blood, I came to yell in the next two episode
can it be yelling. So much- and I am sorry for all of you and just need to be hurt, but the cakes of let the parsons eight were made with animal blood, because presumably no minstrel blood was available. When you may hard to get, I guess was on their period. Just wait. You can't wait, I mean you, gotta weakening aim in the fridge legislates what maybe all the ladys were. Well, I know one of whom was like in a post menopausal. the other ladys are brought. My beyond the same cycle. There also I took one of the live: shallow sing it. We know we know but parsons gobbled. These cakes light up anyway right alongside his wife power, because Helen she showed up shit was all in as well. They were both ireland, airborne groovy after the ceremony the Baxter's entered. jack and Helen to the senior members of the god, a lodge who were not the ceremony, the movers,
and shakers. That conspiracy theories like to believe members of these organizations to be yeah. Man met magician What have we learned about magicians? They don't get a lot of concrete shit done, except they are also away. Now. It's also more like what what is now also a shell for the cia, but that comes up later when there was regina, call, an opera singer and drama teacher. You had Jane Wolfe, a former silent film actress in her sixties. Who'd lived at the infamous abbey of the lima sicily, where crowley earned the title of the wickedest man in the world when he may. I do drink a goblet of cat blood that ended up killing him. Oh, he didn't have to. He didn't have to he made the choice. Yeah sounds like he was pressured anyway. I mean he was. You know he did believe he was at the feet of one of the most powerful black source or reserve alive. So you do feel pressure, but still, but the most consequential member parsons met was wilfred. T Psmith, although wilfred t smith, was not a concert,
quench your person outside of the gap. A large, even though smith benefit the member with the blessing of Alister Crowley himself Wilfred was by eighteen. Thirty, nine, a fifty three euro clerk for the southern California gas company who wore ceremonial robe that he had made himself from a theatre curtain. roasting him you're, not your job, I'm not raise was a wizard veterans eyes. First roast him at all. He worked for the gas company, hey you wasn't wizard other week out like flat. I once of the opera sat on it. That is funny that school level latch lives, but it was wilfred smith who invited parsons to weekly solemnity masses and, although parsons was repulsed by smith, he knew that this was his best chance to their explore. The works and magic of alister crowley from a person who knew the man himself. No one
ten, thirty nine ouster crowley's reputation as the wickedest man in the world had long since passed him by. He was by this time a broke. Sixty four your old heroin addicts described by novelist anthony pal, having muffled and poorest yellow skin, with the features of quote a horrible baby What is technically that is the magical rise in a sentence like you do look at the fort the larger the actual like what the words of the oh god. I don't look, this up, not conquer on packs, but their their actual god had system quickly. You go from baby demand, a baby, so magically he's courageous, that right. Well, maybe that's not what you should follow if it be made easier a big baby was not taken care of himself. He should have. Did he right? The got baby got baby man baby thing
after he started. Look I'm like a big baby I say discovered a magical. What? What a coincidence? What am I going to say that the whole point you fell I did you make our baby again when you're the head of the religion you make You can do whatever you want. You are the godhead elo rates looked in the mirror everyday and be like I'm the scientist. I am the scientists, logical ultimate really. I think I think that up. I think that hubbard every in the was everyday like, oh, like No, you know who I tell you got no idea have been made up all day. We were talking about this last night I'll run. Hubbard he's I went back and read what we wrote last time: missis hale, manage energy. Just fascinates me He just don't have mailings down he never slowdown ever facility level. Trips always roles
A bitter thing to learn from because he just never got set back. He just got. The boat is like, lived online anymore. Now we live in a boat is very valuable. Perfect. What this point crowley was mostly can and with heroin hours, sessions of cunnilingus with sex workers in a vague attempt to try to get a boner again the channel. Going to the movies he loved him at in a bad life airline arrow inside the point he began abysmal here in his diary. His favorite movie at the time was a knight to remember it was a movie about. Oh Diana key saw it for time. Oh HO, HO fire. He hated the cartoons before the features he described, One donald duck cartoon is quote sad. Sad. I wouldn't believe it, but he didn't like trump. He is just sad, sad, sad
they'll energy. What do we want to remember the night the teutonic went down. I don't know, but I got a door. I adore that movie the one on never side. Besides the interesting it's a romantic telling of the titanic thinking not now I mean the ninety ninety six one about. I love them, oh titanic. Actually I can get you love. That movie, of course, of seem not to give a brief refresh. leo we were crowded Influence in Europe had waned. If not disappeared completely. He still held lay over the o t, o god they lodge in los angeles, and give a brief refresher on what the otiose. The order simply oriented is a sex based, magical order. If it's, basically, if I may, levite. Incredibly, for the sake of all involved. Thank you. It's a combination of her medical The golden don rituals and tantric yoga right space
actual intro Ivan intro prepared for next week. Nora numbering in bigger, but yes, you are not too Basically, Babylon separation, it's a shepherdess from the golden dawn that is basically about sex match then so that is he added. Its continued operate to this today that is like the official like. Did the alister crowded, religion that then he would change out. He would basically take this up from the golden dawn. You did put fully mind to it and that's kind of I, the audio, founded by a german freemason, named Carl kellners, who claim that the key to opening all masonic and hermetic secrets with sex magic, the auto o itself on complete and total secrecy. But when the second added the o t o Theodore arose. Read a book of magic by Alister Crowley called the book of lies. He found that crowley seemed to be publishing the innermost secrets of the o t o, namely that the key to magic was sex.
God damn it. I read this book, the book of lies and it turns out it was full of fuckin truth. I want to refer a party. That is what happened in the wood. He realized it was kind of stealing down, These allegorical stories that it's about the harnessing the creative power of life itself, which is what sexist posted a rude and stem right route set without was instead rudin stem shall listen, sword, yeah talk about the duality he had chosen sword down, but much teresa's. Surprise crowley had come across. Sex magic secrets of his order intuitively and independently, although, as we said, in our crowley series. Alastair was much more focused on the butt hole than the o. Tio was prepared to accept at least at first when he he took over. He fucking put the over overdrive, because the final thing I mean, obviously to gain the final steps of the auto. Yet it is sodomy on yourself right like it is you get gaped
my dad's muddling insects and rockets. They said that literally he put the gap and adopt a that. The words like because, like the eighth ritual literally, is calm, menstrual blood you're supposed to rub it on your asshole and then you jerk off onto the runes. So it's like it's all fun. Isn't that isn't that creative yeah? Well, it's going to get it's going to get weird. If you have to keep escalating, it's going to get weird. Eventually, yes, but even so Ruth was so impressed with crowley's understanding of sex magic that he made him head of. The british otiose eventually Crowley expanded the yo by laying the foundations for the first otiose chapter in america, the got a lodge in los angeles. May I just say instead of being headed? The audio cannot be that but of the audio it was I both duality outlets. crawley named the aforementioned wilfred smith, as manchester temp lie in nineteen fifty neglect
and crowley was high, and the haug, as was wilfred smith,. By nineteen, thirty nine. When parsons came on the scene, wilfred smith was workin for the gas company. What is that, is the haug heroin. Now it was at that point crawley I mean he was dead broke and he was trying to make money, selling rejuvenation annex that he made from his own Jes I will eat here. It is Your thing we do we talk about this when we did not hear the soda. How, like you just end, and you just always end in sight, for months now, you really I mean I am surprised that the next senator from pennsylvania, but even so crowded still held a lot of sway over the gap, a large which is one of if not his last bulwark of power, but he'd hoped that the l, a branch might attract bankers and captain the industry. Really anyone with money. I mean they do I
It gave in to be fair, as you know, I mean well and again it starts its. Not the trapping sets will be well The state is social nerdy, but the crowley world, you also get get new dixon junior. What should I do think that is a the sex magic it is not played, is your for reason, lincoln's both to attract you am because it has bits. Nice, you of course, but because the guy in charge work for the gas company which not there's not wrong with workin for the gas guy, I do feel like you're maligned does clerk for the gas goes beyond only normal person. So far, this is his active way to make sure he tells the hotheads what he feels about majestic waiting for. That is that the same magician once says the claret ask opening with a nod said. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm just saying that if you're trying to attract bankers and captain
if you're trying to attract nelson rockefeller or try your new you're, not the bay gay, their good bait, the it sector. Amber like truck and chosen the god with the party fishing young. who's. The right bait. If you want your cannot stay is valued at you. Don't you without but he told you did scientology aids again, which will get into of the next two episodes at an early scientology got you get good. You attract powerful people that other people be around young. Now you can't use the guy from the gas company. Is your point? Man? Well, I'd rather be around him than most of these scientologist actors are, without a doubt, of course, sure whatever, but they ended up attracting mostly people on the fringes of society, communists, pacifists, marginalized, gay people- The Baxter's net was not people with a lot of money, but that change when the baxter's brought in jack parsons
parsons was a man of real consequence who was energized by crowley's talk of hidden dimensions and forbidden planes, and he saw connections between crowley's magical teachings and the work scientists like heisenberg, intrude, injure we're doing in the quantum field? Now this heading and the only magical philosophy the parsons had explored he'd. Also, looked into Madame vosges theosophical society, but parsons had found himself nauseated by theosophies talk of the good and through these, the shrew, good or evil show is mostly good to be fairer. Shoe is mostly got now unless it's kicking a homeless man. Let's that's the fun. The foot go for the dance neutral. Look for me the way I see it. The reason why Jack parsons hated this talk of the good and truth, because that's a conclusion, you know it's something that next
mental human like parsons, had no interest He was a secret and explore in a somewhat my cam, someone else coming to a conclusion for him. Just wasn't any fun make than that. well keys all about it's a teacher. I have your answers. I have what's goin on interest contrast the principles, probably were more open, ended and ripe for exploration war. According to crowley? Until you talk to crowley and then he wanted to control the whole thing, which is always the problem with the perennial master with someone who wants to be the master and we're jack persons is truly interesting is because he is the student and he was a full and he was you remained student never want to be in charge of anyone these that he didn't want be in charge. He wanted a kind of b, a conductor, but he didn't want he. You didn't want all the responsibility. If you read freedom is a two edged sword. You see this interesting thing. We basically says like you know, this entire universe is based upon our perception. We are each the or we're creed
the entire world within our own minds, and we, are the ones that have the power to continue. We can the control our world and nobody else is, but we have to leave room for other people's world. So how do you expect me to pay taxes? in america yeah, okay, yeah, that's what he did his view carefully objective reality at all? How are we supposed to fill out a form of income tax, or I don't know- Now. Freedom is a two edged gun, isn't not? Is it not and not as a two edged com pats very day small ignored this way miss gary but needs in this responsibility. Yes, but as talk about them, but even so, parsons had always been drawn to the darker side of the occult specifically the sorts of myths and legends laid out in a since discredited cultural anthropology book
the golden bow. The golden bow was supposedly a collection of european pre, christian pagan rituals and beliefs, which were brought life on the silver screen in the nineteen? Seventy, three classic, the wicker man. we can, but we now know that major filled and may be one too many gaps in sing knowledge, which is to say he made a lot of shit up based on guesswork, imprisoned and all of it. As fact That's what henriette? I ask you to do magic s, magic! It's it's! You know you got a film ask me: what do you think remember ever they did it wouldn't jurassic park avenue in the end, remember what happened because they filled in the gaps that the amphibian dna they started producing a sexually and everything went to shit, no easy because human beings are trying to put limits and the powers of life itself. I started like the chris Pratt one. I didn't like the ball. They hamster balls,
Is this? Is an umbrella, good or evil? Hmm good point neutral, but the important part about the golden bow is that the author, Sir James George fraser, also had an inkling that magic and science were linked. Just like jack parsons, fraser wrote that quote, both science and magic opened up a seemingly boundless vista of possibilities to he who knows the causes of things and both can touch the secret springs, that set in motion the best, an intricate mac, disease, but the world really. Do you mind a data bank you're, the one you got, your old trap, mule boxes, man get out of the box. Bullying, in other words jack parts I had a mine primed for magic and a promising future thicket, possibly fund the audio and therefore ff
and Alister Crowley. Oh so wilfred smith initiated parsons into the otiose immediately and its with the collision of science and magic that will pick back up for part two of our series is to his story. Just like I don't know what it is its deeply inspiring. I was actually in fair. Be- and I knew I was talking about this- but like I needed some form of inspiration and I've been reading through these books. Again, I just forget just like this, that idea of, like you can get out there you could you can build a rocket, you can suck and fuck. You too can do an explosion. Thirty years old, and it's you officer, you now have the plastic that is great. some all right there. It is. Mr persons per one, is all the it's all wrapped up, yes or next week, where can being grand rapids and indianapolis coming
check, as thou we're gonna be without mark a sparks mark. The arcs is still holding his body together with the heirs of tape, but soon will be patched together. Not unlike you, ve seen the the japanese, a ceremonial pottery, that's, yes, it might have been broken one time, but now it's held together by gold. Yes, day. Death. That's that's great there. I'm gonna have to do is show the pots around town, but just not well enough to travel between two cities do six hours of performance. And you know, and ride, on the horrible roads of indianapolis, which is what all sent me to the hospital last time long, standing immediately literally what happened? We are going to be the errors in the us, india Indiana. In the invest more in your mpas structure. But an hour how else? How else would we be able to tell the shocks in our cars work and when I do not hesitate, digestive heavy s bounty Wait to see everybody in grand rapids and indeed apple is we're. Gonna have an absolute blast, so they solve.
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