Hey. What's up everyone, how you doing? Thank you so much for given to our patriotic without you were not, then I am joined by Henry yeah. today. We are honoured to have with us true crime, author. She is fantastic. Can this box, Miss Canvas box thanks so much for being on the show. Thank you. having me, I'm so excited to be here and again, very nervous. I was just listening to some of your episodes. I did the the baby stumping nine one, one absurd gray, all my thoughts from back, that's like from ten years ago we were bad boys back then, but now were more amazing. Gentlemen. Speaking with Candice Box would become tight. Thirty six year olds, I'm almost authority that is his latest book gone by midnight. That was least in two thousand nineteen check that out- and He also doesn't just write books. She also sits down with some of the who

war criminals minded of our society specifically Laurens Bit occur. She sat down with it. who will box killer so we'll talk about back. Is that Mr Ben Scare, so crazy. Can we just start there, because You get in the middle of it because in the meat of it, because we now because we know people in authors that we not spoken to lot of them. Glee, but we use them a lot for reference material for last owners and laughed like people that have had one one conversations with serial killers. Young numb number one. How do you get into that's it? yeah there like a tender for serial killer, reflect called likes, likes how do you go in there and then see what I'm doing? Well? What do you do? like in a moment, especially with somebody that mean cuz you're, a young woman, the idea of like someone who predominantly murders young when at we have to be around somebody like up

a lot of planning that went into it. You know I was in LA. I was going to be there for you during the tv and film stuff for some of my novels, and I said to my husband: you know what any anyone who's dangerous here that I be friends in prison, as ever get out and are going to come to my doorstep in Australia. Like is a long way. I've heard that no criminals go to Australia, that's the end. He was not used, not surprise. They all that. I want to go and speeches zero dollar inner are we had our honeymoon in the? U S and

these kinds of the. U S seen our east, which we did a driving tyranny said. What do you want to do, as I guess so? Many body dumping sites and real x ray? I had my tribe seeing through the jungle, and I was like this is where they found her body right here is daring in a patch of dirt and they look in Did you know what I said I'm going to go to San Quintin, I'm going to fly up there and I'm going to sit down with one of the most the most horrible serial killer. That I can think of. He said you have found you gonna love that no you're gonna goods can be great. Get you remember that when a bless? No, we are co producer, Marcus Parks, him in his lovely wife. When they went on a vacation, they went to go see all of the the touchstone of Jim Jones is life in Indiana and I don't think of you normally, if you were big motioning from Australia to America, don't go to India.

No socks. I wouldn't we want or listeners there, but it's a foreign state going Rita veil- oh my goodness and again. Why was it so disturbing? Does it down with Lawrence Bit occur? We have in covered this dude, I dont think fully yet the toolbox killer. He was convicted of in five- is american serial killer rapists and he has kidnapped and tortured Malta people get. It was five teenage girls in southern California, so I mean what yeah, how the hell we run at this guy we similar this guy. Like does it like, you think, he's best behaviour or is it isn't like it yeah like gives it wonder those where he's trying to be like you know, kids like as a joint like blow at all, acting like Hannibal Lecter time. You know Only you know, I say ah took him up there and I really enjoyed it. I find wine and always You know I, first of all: I didn't expect to be sitting in here.

Presence with him and coughed INA owner in a to meet a bite. You meet a cage they put his then I thought I was gonna, be like up either be a window and a fine, and I their eyes eyes. I said you know I'm Candice, I'm here to see lives. Where do I seed, which finally is mine? God said no, no, you being a cage there and when will he be and and the guy was like in their life didn't realize and as I got in there and he came out and they unhappy and they locked the door, they put a padlock on it and the gods walked away, and I thought- I gazed at this is this is this is how I die, and I

this is strangely fitting. Before my career is going to make new your time, I am going to talk about a guy who's sales generously, ridable guards. Did they read the story of Hannibal Lecter talk about a Jody foster situation. I thought we wouldn't we, our knees were about afforded part will to plastic chairs in and were just sitting there facing each other. I said and felt like I was so nervous. I just started speaking and I said I'm really surprised at this happens. You know with the shock cage in them. Bulletproof glass stopped the duration, and he said oh yeah, Well, I'm not going to do anything if I tried to do anything, there's a sniper in the roof that was like this cut out in the roof, and he said that he would just treat me and I I can't I have some problems with that, because he's got the sheep through

The cages like through the bullet proof glassed again you and I said, I'm not just gonna be sitting here you. I thought I should say something tat. You know that I'm a camel Lamy serial killer going then on senior resubmitted work I said it is, if you come at me, I'm gonna put you on the ground is love like like women to put me on the ground before and it hasn't it has worked out from and it was just like it. I see I see, laugh and end he's at yeah yeah. He said areas and refine, but she's tool and we were in their for five hours,

And so I just I asked him everything I could think of you know, because I had written a letter and I said to him I am, and I really want to come and speak to you. First of all, as I don't wanna be a girlfriend, I imagine you get a lot of letters like that and he came back and said you have four current girlfriends. Oh god You know, I'm always on the search for more, and I was saying I then allowed was each out as Ici within busy right one of their names on his right hand before he jerks often than EU raises another one is I'm so sorry I do, and I don't know what these women want. with him either, but I said it's it's, it's how how old was he he's dead

see you big by paying a very tall like. I saw him in a documentary before I went there and I said to myself eyes a little old man, and then I went there and eyes I go. No. She described the tank and big arms and stuff and I thought you know this- I have never been united Fight for my life before, but this is like I'm gonna have to my instincts just said scratching just precious phrase, but rather forget about me. Do it so you don't want to talk about how that experience has informed your books as well or maybe major reflect on your work. I know you also work closely with James Patterson, who is like, I think he has written every book. don't you see someone arena Bugger, my guy just assume its James Matters and book as I was that I was talking with Travis are producer before it just about being in the presence of evil. Was it up

people feeling or the things under real goes on land like last podcast we'd equate serial killers like we try to demystify the idea of them being the most of what I think that peace euro killers they will. They come from the extreme media awkward he like it calls from somebody was naughty. The than anything else why, because they kind of its easy to help. You unfortunately, he he. He was He wasn't intelligent and charismatic anything like this. Basically, he just mind to me the whole time about how he's a poor, misunderstood creature- and it wasn't- he is for dinner. His partner Roy talked him into it. Crying at some point: land, and I was sitting there watching in going. Is this real like it's very genuine? real and then he would do these little little things. That would do stop the mosque alike

to Molly, so we plan like where you a key killing women right until he was stopped? What was your plan? by the time, I got a number five more was in and I said I said, Andrea and he's like that. Whatever name was like this, like the hand like whatever name was it's you know You ve been sitting here for thirty eight years. Could you possibly memorize the five names I? What else do you out of here? This memorize remains honestly, like you know, and things like that. An inward burst into tears and useless the way rationalized it? We really fascinating to me- the crime rider, because he said you know four thirty, three years, my life I'll, send you a data, is I was a great guy loss of friends, law abiding and then there was three month period, where

He called it a phase. I went through this phase where during all of these women and doing these horrible things, and then a thirty eight years since the same again, I'm I'm I've lots of friends you in prison. I obey the rules, he said so feeble, get my life. as a whole, you know, I'm really, not I'm really, not that bad of a person, and I said to have you The expression you fuck one go here fucker right where you will be nice. Lorries fucking nice girl, like you, will be known as a serial killer. This is why we ve done like it doesn't matter view

I was expecting him to have converted like born again Christian and all this stuff, as as Dena Syracuse often do. But right now I will decide how well and so, when you're in there, what was your goal? Did you have a cause? Obviously we do a lot of conversations with a lot of people and which now, chat and it's not nearly as intensive confined five our visit. Where does aerial killer, where you're going to get one jets? Did you have a goal in mind before we're going to speak with Miss Mister Bennet girl, bees doubling nice enough to call in that order. it just like. Let's see how this unfurled I was I was always happy for anything about. I was looking for a shred of humanity because all I do. Is it not about time I'd written twelve novels, and I saw it written about to at least twelve killers and I'd never met one before sir. I think that the craziest moments when you are dealing with-

villain in crime fiction is when you can relate saws. Looking for stuff, to relate to but we just clash John a bunch of stuff, but is that more comfortable than if you guys, both found out you were huge. Detroit lie in spanish share or mess is always better than you clash job by sitting lying across the five hours. I had to go about things that eight days is being prices with our Chinese back up and I get out, and always there look at beggar and did you hear anything from the vending machine here? At the same time? Thinking to myself should I really mean plays and morally correct. The buyer has been won an Ingram and he said yeah get me some chips, ahoy, and- and I Didn'T- I got sunlike ruffle Cheapside? I was just eating these ruffled chips. Every data was so good and arms. relax That's I'm a little bit. You know just unthinking myself: it's been a now, I'm not dead yet

anatomy my chiefs uneasy it gives you Hawaii, and I said these are the best gives in America, and he said that good day there really good sitting here eating jeeps with lives. What is going on child one of the big arguments that you and I rescue animals. Whenever I can, I I all animals any animals and my Spain, and I were living in Hollywood hills and we're looking PA guttering while going for a walk and we saw the zone. creature in the driveway just sitting there like old man, I guess I'll die now like it was sort of sick, and I dont know what it was. I who am I put it in my hat and we looked it up. When it was a gopher. A tiny goes out yet- and I was telling lies about it and saying all I took at home and I was sick and I note that back to help and I gave it a refuge in all this and he was like. Why did you do that?

And I say: wool ease and dashing. I then cowbunting parasites and is nine hundred tops and parasites and in a minute and I was like well. Why did you kill those women like a thief. I don't understand you. I said I don't understand you It needed me. It was sitting there needed someone. I was walking past. I was there and he's like yeah. I guess know he's like yours is just not your five women so weak. These guys, you, I will always lake unless Punkahs I'm upset the bow the zero a long time in jail, because it seems that when they sent their narrative, lengthy, that's we find out anything about, like you know, unfortunately like the or we don't like how Samuel little didn't you

most prolific circular vault, unlike he wasn't saying, he's not saying shit, it doesn't want anyone to know anything he's taken to the grave is heresies gateways. Dennis rate is low basic K S. Anyone speaks of evil. Now you have to follow the. I guess you have to go to procedure with him like you have to fill out an application to speak with them and locked himself, but my when he These guys are like in this type of jail, like they're, all kind of being like there's something with the way you said about the idea that, like there's a big fuss right so any time you want to leave? They have to come to chain em up like getting that they kind of get off on that to work. Now they are this predator, that that must be like, and you did did he we all that we do feel like that. He knows like how they say, like famous people know that, like

you're famous, so they have to day after, like Billy, I am Bobby when the robber Deniro, you know, and you have the going I, although Bobby like unit that kind of shit, I ain't What I think would be the biggest ego boost to him in there at the time he had this murder Amelia Broker can collect things from here What have you got You know where they got this mass. All I've got something you now clippings hair. He was selling locks of his hair. Through this, This guy are on the internet of fifty dollars a lock and ends and stuff like that. He said, are smuggled out whenever I can like he had an asthma, puffer and I would go for fifteen bucks, you now Anne and people. What I'm gonna do is account that just goes into commissary when and why, like ie, really, red velvet cupcakes, sir, by those from commissary

so it's it's. It's things like that. Make will probably like him. I think you know I'm always supernatural people want private, my body star friend, I inform me it's just like a miserable miserable existence, he is his cell. He went my pc made like a bow and arrow shape, and he said from my elbow to my hand: that's how wide Mysel is at its lowest. For long and at the front is just mesh like steel mass. She can see through it because one the other inmates lunatic nation bars, and he looked a guard over and speed him in the chest with a bit of wood. So they just so you to be able to see out and now their night isn't a box and its twenty three hours a day? And yet he was getting really depressed. He said he was being treated for depression I would assume

We are speaking. We are speaking with candy spots in unbelievable author. She mentioned how many books you already has an just declare: by her first as she won T Netchelli Award for the best first novel that was for Hades. There was an two thousand and fourteen, so I'm just gonna see how do u have hands after writing that many books, one area almost us, leave a ball. How how much work you have done so come do speaking with someone like that monster, and I d say his name anymore. How it has that informed. Your writing an end no in the true crime world in a real sense. But then, obviously you write fiction, but these things, I think, are often the truth often stranger than fiction, yeah Sidney I'm working on my six days, novel now and it's it's new guess. How long does download dissipated to write it,

I will just shame our partners, as I live in down it. I did three in a year that was the year before I had my baby. I never daughter violet. She saw it is almost too Can I just say a lot I want to share with you yesterday she had a pencil and she went to her dad and she went Stabs dab, dab, dab hundred words about a hundred words are against the bullet and staff. I do not teach. You are raising a true crime, offer good Wellnigh Siemens Runnin around at Christmas guy murder. That's my child and I'm so sorry did decide tracker once again, but yeah. How does how do? How does the true information inform the national righted? He look.

It's it's. It's those little details. It's like the flick of the hand. You know that you see any think that is just so perfect. I'm going to take off that or just rationalizing rationalizing what he has done, a sort of saying. Well, it's a quantity, verse, quality thing. You know. Unless you spoken to someone like that, you can't you can't yourself? How would I lived with what I have done or has a psychopathic mind, work and end? I just felt like as a writer, you need ie if you running about competition speeches in cops, if erotic acquisition speeches in jewellers. Indonesian speak to some people, had a family member murdered and you get those little details that are just real and from your first spoken, two thousand fourteen to where we are today. Have you a vault? Have you changed in your philosophy in your thinking as to what

triggers a circular: why do they kill this? That? In the other thing, I think Can I see there two types of kilos, there are people who make me stakes and then you know they kill your wife or something or they just snap when you that all the time- and there are people who have lost brain doesn't work properly there. There is something going on it. He just doesn't think of people as people thinking. it's like. If I said to you here hoping to him about his other victims like because clearly you don't find women in a three month period and they were very well developed. Murders like he didn't ramp up by, I say: do you I remembered each one here. Members know that you must replay that unites had yet it is that yeah

and I said to him all you know there was this girl who went missing in nineteen. Sixty eight, it's like I said to him in nineteen, see I you kill scale I think that I think you do that, because I know that you are in the same area as the mosquito and mosquitoes family is really upset and and any had dreams he's like it's a mess. Gay you're really always still talking about these. You know he was like that. He was like it's almost forty years later. We all need to get over it. I do so many other things in here. I write books and I talk to people. Why he's like it is only didn't understand a big deal, and genuinely like that's not acting that he genuinely dozen and was. Was that a surprise to you with something that was. It was a bit of a shock

think I expected him at least to get a magnitude like any drawing to explain it to him, and I'm saying it's not only the girls that you killed, but it's their family in the course of one of the copse committed suicide and mention the case in the suicide later on its everyone who went to the trial and blah blah blah know this news like he was even if you was a fully deal with it. I don't Maybe he can't maybe there's this thing. Air is a there's a block were there. Just absolutely no way for him to fully absorbed happen in the influence that it could. I think that's what it is. It seems to be what that is what's triggering when he does any wont in deal with. Is the influence his actions, yeah. it also the fact that I think the sitting there with him for fine now, as I think, every ten seconds he

is just drawn all the way back to himself like in the Boolooroo glass. I could see he was doing his hair the whole time and king over my shoulder at ease and reflection, and he made like a pass a kind of penitence and pass at me. He said worthy husband. Do I said he's a journalist any said always at why the diamond on your engagement ring is so small. My goodness I want somebody joy, I may tell you they grab Matilda our guards. If you try to touch me, you're gonna beat pocketed a good things. Me said he when I walked in you say we are United Mother black eyes it. We can touch each other. If you want he put his hand out to shake my hand, I was like the way shake his hand or not. I don't want to. I killed, like I'm unsteady second scene, and so I shall in, and it was

It was ice cold and I thought I'd say cliche. You are you one thing you gotta use. That is leverage on your husband to get you a bigger rock. Let him know you're aware of one could argue where the family murders in Australia. Yes, I am I think that is very, very interesting. I own over. You know any other sources or anything else go into it because the failing murders we, We started learning about it in Australia, guess all because I never heard of it in his knights and when we went over there like idea that, like essentially it's like a group of cops working I would like in its like, it's a level love it's one of those men so Franklin cover up snail like murder, sequences

he then went missing J, Jamie GOSH or something right yeah. He went missing and then the man said he turned up like twenty years later and said I I can't come on. There's Jamie gosh. I know it's it's who took it what's anymore. It's who took Johnny. I believe it's Johnny guys gonna gosh. Yes, it's aids. That case is crazy, like that all of the little clues knowing that go, covered up and phone calls to lead an olive is usually we look, do look for, specific, cases of inspiration for books. Are you just kind of like poorer round and sort of what what kind Van guess, leader bore what can it what what we're does inspiration strike for it for a true crime, fictional character, a writer

usually I think to myself why my so disturbed by this, because I am very difficult to disturb. I having a really we'd household, my mom had for kids and then she adopted two and then she fostered a hundred and fifty five kids yeah, and so we were hearing all of those crazy disturbing stories in order that these kids, when I mainly very young and my dad we're in a prison as well, so he would come home and say, ah you know we're going to release this inmate today that he didn't want God, sorry slit his throat with the leader of a tuna can on high, and that was a long paperwork and arms absorbing why

even mean yeah, and so I think to myself why? And if I start googling and following in Wikipedia diving, unthinking myself, why am I obsessed with this? What is the theme? I got the moment for me: I'm obsessed with common. and and how these sleep next to someone every night that your basically thinking, I'm gonna, take all of her money bottom, kill me wrong. Happy haughty lie there next to them at night. Sleeping is it that is lacking in an idea. I get over at the man- and I I go on to the next and the next thing- I'm very interested in mass shooters I need is deploying deep, dig dive. Let's fascinated what were some because we want to cover Stephen Barrack as well, but it's tough to find her. the alternative is a little bit. Drop the one that I'm trying to get us to do that,

equally soon, as Anders brevity, did you read the book, the big thick while its the file its many ruin a little made it may at least one detail about hand is bread. It that I think is just cite fascinating is when he was using the bombs he had to use this type of fertilizer, but he had the boy this in a blender like a smoothly blended and make it the right consistency for the bomb and he used so much. You read the report like ten blunders and he blending blending blending and in the blending

Brooks enable new, blenders unease there every day, eight hours a day, Blendings fertilizer and I just think the amount of time and effort and walkin loser around blended, my fertilizer again, all right for the next part of this interview. Henry had to leave so it'll just be. Can this box and Kizil once again, Miss Box sits down with a sociopath so and it's here. What are some of these similarities between or some of the differences between somebody would go into mass shooting and someone who would be a serial killer because obviously the and the final The situation is the same mass death, but the way happens as much different, mention. Stephen panic. I find out that particular case to be really really different in terms of spree killings and shooters, because

always so up close and personal anything about Eric Harrison. Dylan cleavage, Columbine, shooters and in their preparation they were saying, I'm gonna be face to face and when a blow their heads off, I'm gonna see this person. I'm gonna say this and its view a person one hand to hand Stephen Barrack is like I'll be in a tower- is shooting into the dark. He doesn't even know who is eating or if he is eating anyone or you know it was really impersonal- and he had even planned he and they had a different concept. A couple of weeks earlier, I believe any had everything set up. He had everything in the end tell room and then he didn't do it and we don't know why. That's like you didn't even target even target app concept I'm not a manifest stoner reasoning behind it. Doing that requires more sociopath. You are less to just people who shoot into the darkness know you're.

Hygiene mayhem, but not you seen what you're doing like what is even crazier. I think it's scarier the idea of a However, since the Deasey sniper air in the states and obviously we have guns and gun violence in a way that is extremely need to America and the idea just be sniped randomly is so frickin scary. Yes, as you go around in life sort of thinking to yourself. Well, if I just do the right thing and I'm nice to everyone, maybe that won't happen to me. You know- and you you tell you, kids, if you don't bully people, because this decision that has happened and I don't know it's just no one is safe because even

got any situation within you couldn't talking way out of it because he's like anyone right do I'll shoot anyone? Yes, daddy exactly area. That is LUX Garriga on and it's just what is it numbers once big numbers? He just doesn't matter. He didn't even see. I don't even want to say it, but he didn't see that the fruits of his labour yeah Stephen Barracks, as you just took his own life. May. That is a whole another thing you have to come back and talk about diet. I married ass in writing. And again we're speaking with Candice Box? Is that something you would like to focus on in the your disk gives its top to write a true cram story. I would assume about a sprig are about a young esprit sniper. Yes, because it's tough to find that narrative with a killer. You have a sexual of Asia, and you have a series of different things, but with

with a mass uterus, maybe a little bit more difficult year. I went into it in one of my novels with James, so a diary is found like a planning, diary and police alike gaze. I some running this tiny weeny town in the middle of this giant. Now back is planning to do everyone can. Find them before you know before they do. It and so I waited to it a little bit, but the thing about mass shootings is you don't have to wait that long until there's another one? Not only do I voted in America, but but there? There is something that I don't think has been treated properly, so they're going to keep going and yeah, it's it's! What about the copycat effect yeah, because you know I was. I graduated high school in two thousand, so for twenty nineteen nineteen, I was a junior nice Gore and it changes.

We're thing for twenty one. When we will about went back to school, it was just different Nino Security was much tighter. A lot of my friends got expelled, cause we like to have fun, we weren't violent, but we were goofball and that was taken much more seriously and then from nineteen I got it just seems like while every why would like will owed what Is there anything in your mind like how did that start as a society where mass. Shooting just became so common where it's almost passe, which is so sad to say. It's a lot of people who have referred, Columbine, Inez shootings you knowing they manifest as it whatever talked about like the glory in revenge aspect and said, Dylan and Erika held up as these sort of heroes. By that time, that type of person- and I think there are attempts to

counteract that, because the parkland summons victims of the park land or the survivors, they were trying to get. Movement up where they had like a card you could put in your wallet and it says you fine, killed in a mass shooting, please publicized pictures of my body on the internet so that certain new to counteract allow glory and and war going to war. Its old beautiful in this kind of thing, with with a picture a body like this is what you told me about. This is actually right. This is the reality of that and, of course, the media drop the ball so horribly, starting with Dylan and Eric talking about how they were bullied and they took revenge when in reality they were the bullies doing what they more extreme y yeah and they just fascination going in and you didn't mean you can read the diaries online. You turn see photographs. You can talk to their friends. There are so many books about trying to

get a part as a phenomenon. How did this actually happen? yeah, it's just that it's a puzzle right is love puzzles. because what you do for ninety thousand words as an altar easier. You keep yes give someone a puzzle, any say I down let themselves for you. I knew no, for this amount of time some mass shootings just a puzzle when you sit there and you got. How can I ask myself is how can I stop this happening and that this one The same thing I was doing Lawrence as I was what happened to you and how could we like someone like you so that jobs are there doesn't happen again, but he had just no insight to offer real none just a sad sad, pathetic. Derek old man had said so as far as binding those answers- and I again thank you so much for being here- can despots and mild questions in a second, be how you James Patterson, yes about, but that is that it

that's the reward is that one of your goals is to solve. Why do you become Andrews Braddock? Why become- You know somebody like the hills, strangler whatever it is it and have it the more you research have had the courage and become more and the answers become less or have you actually found. Some answers that you can may be used to determine these acts of violence? I think the question they become law- which is great for me as a writer, because that's what I'm pausing I'm trying to make people think the worst thing you can do is write a book. And everything's all nicely sign up at the end, because when I read it doesn't think about it anymore, You leave him just like a little Lang door, open, just a crack in doubt now talk about it? You know and I'll think about it, and now they'll turned it over in their own minds.

I'm just trying to do to try to get the reader arguing about who is the best person in a novel and who is the worst person, and I find it interesting way, a lot of people will write to me and I, as a eyes my favorite character, and I think he has the highest body count like he does. I am killing his whole life easier, in this book and then and then the dead they're, the ones I love them. I say the months in a most interesting, There are very few three and a half million follow podcast about like a really great heroic. Also people is no mystery. There you're exactly Well speaking of great heroic people course yourself Candice Box and then, of course, James Patterson? How did you meet Mr Patterson? Does everyone I mean he is he's?

dime name he is he is such a cool guy he's serve funny and he looked at uncle. Like always house it's like going. My uncle is like What do you want? that's so he I was always a huge fan of his and I went into my mom's room and rage. You stop very, very young, and when I heard he was going to die, I don't mean by noon. I was recently passed published for the first time in an invite. Is party and he was gonna, be there. I saw him and I thought This is my moment to go over there and say hello here. You know I'd like a celebrity moment. Our sitting over there all gonna love you and I just went over, and I said James Alive it looks so much? I register girls when I was twelve and I just tell you changed my life and he said well,

it's really inappropriate. Eighty years ago, my god, and I I just gotta demon- Iser, ran away in our heads Betsy, my publisher very ambitious in that's. Why run fast and so margin, and I said to my publisher, how as a person to collaborate with him and she said, don't even think about it light and we have a list of people and you only just got here and the crime riding seen and I soda gave up. Men She saw me talking to him at the pie and she say while they get on well, and so she gave him a copy of my first one to take home and you, on the plane- and this was Haiti's yeah, yeah yeah any loved it and he called upping Neeson how'd. You know

Would she go riding with made the shoe my right was made like he asked ass. You like ours, my calendar, also known as well. Pencil you and MR matters it is awesome. Is it and I had to resume human bill written in San Jose the same day that I met Lawrence. I I I going up there to have dinner with Jim many sit. All Bill Clinton will come dinner and I said to my husband: I can see It's in the morning and then see them in the evening. The powers are you now with Bill Clinton? Did you get some good? Did you get some good insight into sociopath, really nice and most entertaining thing about him, his secret service guys because they were just like all the time like hovering around us in giving us the evil eye and an bill Clinton Said-

what's happening in your next book, as he reads my books and he said why are they going to figure out the thing with the brother from the last book, and I said I can tell you that, like the spoiler and I tell you anything come on. You use it as a major crime and others like I'm, not I'm not telling you look over and the secret service guys like you. they all went to my Vienna, sire yeah, that's crazy and, of course, Clinton when it comes to his name and been in. Observe of cries nor easy, certainly cause up. Quite a bit analytical. There were thrillers and things like that can box author strong, narrow check out all of her books, her latest book being gone by midnight. Thanks so much can't as your wonderful? They sign? My John just cite after I've been on your show. I love it so much. This is life and make area highlight our

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