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She's no alone are not, then know. I thought I was robotic because he said love is fog that burns away with the first daylight of reality. So Magnano. Let me first ask about love. What are you started? love. You talk about your relationships quite a bit. Do you think love can last? I do, but I think its work. Everyone loved me. This pre packaged perfect euphoric thing, but it you gotta a good body. You know we're all born with a good body, but you gotta keep it in shape and at the same with the loving relationship, I think you are nobody wants to do the work, that's the problem you talked about, Can you tell a story about being unfaithful to a previous girlfriend or something like that? I think the story goes that you are like drifting apart.

Who were you talking to burn crusher? Maybe we shouldn't highschool sweetheart data for like twelve years and so that well I love anymore. Those more like release. Those like to be a comfort was routine anna. We just slipped into that kind of married auto pilot world. I tried to break up by think and it didn't take was one of those things our lives it is so get in and then I think I cheated and she caught me his ugly and then we went to therapy to try to work it out, but it's it's much like a car. It gets into Iraq? The door is never closed. The you know I mean yeah. So what thoughts about their now. Commandment like us. Love. Marriage. I think its inadequate, but idea. I think it's kind of sick, and unrealistic, and I we're coming out of that as we get all polly amorous and non by an airy and queen fee and all this stuff, I think we're so

moving away from that, but I think a lot of the ladys more majority women like marriage, like the idea, it's like, I'm from a fiance now or whatever you call it the aged and I may she just wait gone, wild she's? Loving? It got the dress thing pick a venue, flower and she's she's deepen, whereas I feel guilty, as I'm just like is there is a plan to already when it is a good game. Armed live life. Yes, it's its planned. It's a new ireland's on from there and next year, married no single version. Of course you can imagine. I bet you be great and bed he ripped airline and biogas is the outer no haven't dry years will have to see. I will let me up pretty hard on you you? I could see you back in

crazy, crazy tool downtown that matters for girls. Apparently, at all I care about okay, new orleans you grow up in new orleans, yeah born and raised Jamais outside the french quarter ever been yeah. Don't remember all you drink, Yeah drinks. Of course I drink. I dunno. I can't tell if you have fun, no, not really but rush nami in russian. Of course, I drink alcohol that kind of session yeah yeah, it's I dunno vodka beer was just labeled an alcoholic beverage in two thousand and eleven fun fact. What do you mean in russia? It was just drinks. It was just like apple juice before it finally got declared legally as an alcoholic beverage. Which means you can regulate that kind of thing. I guess so yeah see that's where your brain goes yeah. I just got these vegan rusk. I didn't even know. There's rules about drinking learning about russia from you So, what's the difficult memory experience from child,

in new orleans that are made you The man you are today manner made me the man but the Jews. I had a lot of us gulf war, in the neighborhood with. I was the white kid in the neighborhood, so I was automatically Dodd men out the mind. Already, the weirdo, the dork dweeb, the honky so just a lot of memories, of like getting slapped in the face by guys and just having to take it because there's like five guys there and they'd be like oh look, you don't even fight back, and what am I gonna do hate you wouldn't get beat up by guys I love that stuff was a big bummer grown up? Guy robbed all the time lost a lot of bicycles icicle taken from under me. That was pretty brutal. These kids pulled up in there like seventeen, and I was thirteen and I had

face pain on like I had not black face, but I was at a summer camp and I heard of a rainbow face printed army. We were helping kids that day, so I let him put pain on me. So now writing all what a bark, what a goober I when I'm riding home- and these guys see me a mile away, I'm a sitting duck and a girl we can take his bike. He's got to fucking rainbow on his cheek. So they just guy like cutting running an elevator by god, I'm good at what they wanted and Let me try the basic amenities. Pushmi intake by this like that, was really shaping the insecurity. The self worth did it because I've been mug draws younger too. Yeah the changes, your view of human nature little bit for sure you go out and no people could be this mean his yellow, hair, Considering I'm always worried. Then I fart too much you my annoying my prison this guy off. But

what a way to live. Just I want the bike. I'm taken, it fuck his feelings for me that quickly turned into realising that that's just temporary phase it. Those folks are in like they there They have a capacity to be good share for some reason. For me. That was a motivation to see. Can we discover kin do incentivize them to find a better path and life guy. I wasn't like all I got. The about it off course, house, piss in all those kinds of things, but I know it seemed like just kind of thing you might do in your younger, you hope, weathers adult crime. Obviously yeah, I know, but yeah exactly and then solidifies You re on saving at some point, but I think there's always the jaws opportunity to all make a better life yourself to become. Better version of yourself

yeah. I ever coming on crying with no bike and my mom she's, my parents, leg, liberal too. Alt, you know where they were like well, they needed their poor kids in the neighborhood. You you're like all right, but I also like I have a bicycle that I ride around you know and I also like to live in an area. That's not just you know, riddled with the theft and vandalism but They were sent out a media that it deserves a moot point. It has moved on site Very young me, like I gotta figure, my shit out. Ok, so you see your beat up quite a bit ly boeing is pushed her. I was never possible Is there anything? But you know you get a black guy here and there and a bloody nose stuff like that, and it was just the outnumbered thing. The violence didn't really bother me cause you're, just kids, your boys yeah, but it was the predatory. Let's get em, you know we can take him down he's you know, he's an easy target. That's what kills you a mental part.

Yeah you until you she said I didn't realize up, I've been and what do you call him scuffles and there is just one says to me: were yet there at very break it off. And you do jujitsu and all that stuff? Yeah gonna steal the guns through the suit, like John wick, alright, alright, why he used to have now you're going to start making fun of me. I used to have long hair for for, like for years. The ban play music stuff like that and there's like most of the face have been. Were basically one on one may be a little bit like a little extra stuff. But not outnumbered in this one. Particular time. I've learned a lot of lessons, but one of them was justified, started became meanness, other person and then his buddies. I guess we're there and they opposed they breaking opera, letting it happen. One of them grab my hair

It's the first time anybody grab mike used it in my hair, in a fight which I haven't since then realized that that's actually a really powerful grip and a powerful weapon are very visible of you in it may ah had got pulled, and they put me down to the girl like I couldn't do anything so a moral being exceptionally frustrated. Yes, that was the feeling like. I can't do anything here. I'm like tat, and then they do it again. Kicking me in haiti means something that the art numbered part of it. Because I was kind of remember that trapped part, because I just hated former fighting grappling perspective. How like it I get. The feeling was, this isn't fair? Yes, that's what it is a deep, deep, unfair Yeah that you just can't you can't win the mob wins near the mob ones, scary, stuff and butter exert makes a man in a way they built care. Do you realize live as unfair early in you, you go.

From there, the sudden there and look either they there are. Probably you know it's not of a dumpster crispy, graham and you're here got eight part gas year. It great talking giant titans of the industry. I remember returning home that night I mean that you said you were crying. That's really formative like that I wish you get to decide. What do I make this moment? especially in your younger may be not presented to you that way, but I some of the greatest people in history were bullied in these kind of ice and they made something of themselves, and this will lead boy by life in some kind of wise. It's a second opportunity for growth is so weird, but like hardship, even in small doses, is like an opportunity for growth. It's totally, I mean look at richard pryor les says labels. The best communicable time grew up in a whorehouse watch. His mom get plowed by these guys and in the middle of Indiana. I want to say- and

just who had a harder allowed, such dick for drugs. All this stuff grown up beat up. And then the weird thing is absurd: that's my birth control! and then the whole world is like trying to get rid of bullying, but we still do bullying but thats accepted bullying, it's very strange, so you're you're proponent, of beating his up those, yes and sex with them right now. I just think it's part of life it it's horrible, it is. It is like rain, you gotta have it. The rainy days a bummer. You know, but you'd need it and having a similar to that. What was I, like with your your mom you dad, or what is a member of a moment to them. What did you learn from them? Good parents, they're giving thought a little out to lunch. You know they were work a holocaust. So there was. It was harder get a lot out of them and my I was kind of it.

Angry dead at gauges had liquor child and he's just trying to make any stunning provide, but it's hard and we live in his heart neighbor and we're getting robbed all the time so life was gonna. Come down all the time so that help take it out on you or whoever he would snap, but great parents. They cared. They put us first, But there was a lot of how do you see what you need your girlfriend, This again is like us picture of a ski tripping ice skater. What the hell's that about if the whole, it was all that and smart, very small, people, but I dunno how well they were at a socializing scene ever like bonded with them like in a deep human level that some somebody would have rarely deep yeah. I was just he asked almost coworker. I called well it's gotta or yellow

that kind of yeah yeah gotcha get there a little bit, but my parents didn't, I hope they record this stuff, but they would do his thing where my dad especially, would do a thing where he would. He knew how to cut you down, right to the bone, and so after while you're like a man can interact with this guy. Is he he didn't. Get you so well, one time we were at up like a thanksgiving, some kind of family of event and all the cousins are there and I'm around was holding court. I was a young boy minding my comedic legs and his weird tumultuous sea. We call a family and I was killing and my dad comes out when he goes. What are you holding court as I and I felt like I was this big. I just flew shrunk down. He just nailed it cause in my head, I'm like upholding holding garlic a row and he goes what he is. What he hold court here. The hell you that you are not like he's right The only go to the back of my up, nobody so stuff that was.

Where they thought he wasn't. He wasn't. I don't think he was, but do you Give parents who pass when there unaware of the destructive like Is it better when there are unaware decisions like that's the way? That's true, less weight, the way, paris often fail not intentionally malevolent They're, just like coolness yeah with its a bitter thing, cause you're walk areas, not maliciously that trying to her me, but also he doesn't know her Let's talk as if he was trying to hurt you. I guess that would be worse so the year, the fully baked mark norman cake at this point, what the zurich cake, you fruit, salad. You know the sense of self worth dimension. I think in your commie there's a sense like you hate yourself, you there.

I didn't know that came through shit. I was trying to hide their part, god dammit when you like in the privacy of your mind, I'd be able to love yourself or is it closely self hate? is whatever this package I dunno is on MR or DR phil, DR phil. I thought we were going to talk about engineering and and climate change and the rocket get there. Okay starts with love goes to rock aside. I like that. I got a t shirt. I would question sir, no. I love note to off yeah So are you like this engine of being self critical of just being costly, anxious about how the war perceives these The things is this something that you just go to for four comedy. Is this who you're the human? Being? I think I I don't know

explore it. I think I get around. It unites, tapped answer but I get it out a little with my act, maybe because I can't do it, I'm not doing it in real life, so get out this. Ah, no love, not loving mice, I don't want to love themself embryo is a yellow, love yourself and then, when you meet, somebody does love yourself. You're, like I fucking hate this guy, Oh you hate. The guy was upset, I'm great, I'm or some life is good, like this guy stocks I'd rather and insecure guy. So maybe I want to and to guarantee that all I find this love for myself. What okay, so self love like just apply! sharing who you are or like appreciate the moment being grateful doesn't have to express itself the guy saying I'm awesome true. It's me I just like humility is just like walking calmly through the wall and just being grateful to be alive. That kind of thing and just accurate and like all

being appreciative all accomplishes the meda, for I say all this because mostly I'm extremely self critical everything I do, Sir and I can enjoy heading is nice. The london that it makes a funding may fly funds If you hate everything you do like you, ve done in the past, It gives you like. Alright will do better. Yes, but that's the key is making itself critical, always trying to get better. I get changes. I get tweak this. I can improve this when you just go. I hate that I do this. I suck when I shut down. So that's the key is, is always being productive with the air, with the criticism, yeah and the basics of life I'm just like if afford to be alive, that's nice to be couple by couple that was a two: let's curtis's again the hairline, the hog, the muscles, the the the the world. I got a good brain on you. You're you're lucky you are in the top most pillar fat shit, a burger king right now, hitting there

aids, Europe, remodelled dal, said with you know, low level comedian. For the record. I ate my dolls ass, all you're human. While you see now not me defending unless not sponsored dolls, but I must see me and theirs. Thing wrong with those that the beef they have said she wanted it. Jesus ways late at night to tourists and another to actually, actually ratsey I have, but a its is made dogma. Meagre myself. I say in twenty years when I look back and go ably believe me, it's not exactly like slavery, yeah, there's some ethical, difficult things. In fact, farming, yes, let's ride it out now always togo and now its own record Tom way, it says something about new york. He item tom either he underrated, I think he's got great he's. Gonna gray dies great quips end quote.

Him, jack about all you do is get some montages and super cuts of him being hilarious. What did he say about rather have a bottle in front of me than a funnel a bottom that was the one the one involving like disguised ass, a here by his music, as he suggests a genius musician yeah. Anyway. He's talking about new york as worker on this in new york right now, where in new york right now is still a magical city me a lot of people are quite cynical about it about the state of things. Bergen would not not like Michael Mouse, like a lot of friends of mine, they're, just a lot of fun, The new services can europe do something about the pandemic. What people have become quite cynical? What place they are. They tried to escape his interesting. I mean they're, asking some difficulties since about what they are in life there-

like a self imposed mid life crisis, is, is good, I think, firmly to go through this process, but I think I hope me or grey merges it will as the flourishing placed for the weirdos anyway. The town ways said: new york, of course, is to be in endless surreal situations where a fifty thousand dollar gun metal mercedes pulls up in a puddle of blood and out stops at twenty five care. A blonde were the two what a he goes he gives going on so that that's like bar wrap air he's good, but basically just the absurdity of it all some money. Lhasa weirdos degenerates, an dreamers and the whole the whole mix of it. Do you think god, king at an accurate description of a new york, is today I guess there still place for the weirdos and just the interesting artists,

the edgy the comedians the creators the the the entrepreneurs like, as opposed to like wall street, as opposed to like rich folk and then like hopeless. Yeah. I think it's he changed, alot, there's a little tiny corner, us weirdo artists, new york is be where you want to make as a painter or whatever a comedian or a singer and IRAN dives and shit boxes and all please you could go, and now it is now more pink berries and subway, saying isn't chase bank so definitely lost a lot of it's a creative edge. It's just money. Money keeps coming in and now you see all these comedians moved to nashville austin Denver whatever, so it doesn't have the the power it used to have

you gotta, be here. If you want to make it that's devotee gone so that hurt the city a lot. The city has his ways more solace. When I moved here in oh seven, I mean. Not only did I get mugged three times in the first year, but it was a hub of like it felt like things were happening here. You know it was. There was an energy there's electricity and we still have the electricity, but it's also, maybe just because it's time square, there's soho, there's a wall street, so we got the staples, but there is a little bit of that. It's almost like a Marriage like yeah we're in love, but it is not his passionate. Is it once was? That's how I would equate new york will gives you hope, you're pretty hopeful water, though I'm hope just because I know it's magical honour and I think it has to be amazed at the centre of america like this, where the immigrants came, and this is where The stock market is an the

industry of a lot of it is here, so I think it it's it's gonna happen, but it out some like the bottom ass to fall out, and then people to move back here and all that a sudden. The corporations are kind of fuckin, as that is buying. Everything was true forever I asked this to frost and probably as well, people just buying atlanta and all that kind of stuff. You always hear a humming dolly, and all these guys. What to paris in that one ease or whatever that was yeah. I get it now. I feel like why these guys going to paris. You know why do these artists and now I get it because it's like it's freer there. That's why I asked. Became like that paris whereby, like I gotta get out, Ella go in there and now, but we came back from that seventies, were wild and ninetys were cool, so maybe I'll come back. I just take a decade. Well, there's always does huh stories are told, there's always pockets of.

Like paris within new york or roof of there's just the opportunity to let your a weird flourish as their new york, I'm sure they're the mean, and it's there you've gotta find it before was front and center. What's your favorite thing about new york like what what kind of things just like how long does pot I could go on it's it's! much there to put in a one hour. We gotta the questions, but. I love, the one neighbourhood is I'll different in the next amendment. Italy and then you take for steps now in chinatown I mean, and then they three there and then the stories and the food and the culture and all that and then you go ten feet over here now you're in brooklyn, and this is insane as the whole of the world and it's it's almost like a little america in one. You know a city and it's great and just the fact that they pulled it off like.

Fifth avenue goes way up and you like, there's a billionaires house next to a hobo and- and this is the black eyes whose fighting with a cuban guy asian guys are get, did the middle of of and the cabbies Roma, the middle east, and then somebody beautiful women here and so many brilliant minds here and and the pace is great- it keeps you moving, I mean it just you can't beat it and in the city will fuck, The ass do not get me wrong. You landed J, F, k, you're, like oh, get, mugged by my the driver called me a homo I stepped in and human shit, where the fuck am I and so yeah? It's it's bad news, but that bad news. It's almost like the bullying, It kills you in a weird way, but it makes a strong and you build more light the layers layers. That's why some new guy some hasty from a walk. Shows up, you ve been here ten years that you go. Let me let me help me out gaza, you're. U you gotta be addressed you're gonna get your ass kicked, relax six months,

but I know the ropes a little and I think you need a needle that if the treadmill is not on you're not going to run, york, treadmills on so it makes you run and it makes you better where's on you probably lose ten years. Your life living in new york, verses are you now indianapolis, but you better life? Have you seen him? if our yeah, nor in while likely joint, yes but the joy. In at noon, There is a whole at monologue, thereby there too can a just eat as a mix. Is this Melancholy, music. I think I just a melancholy field to the whole thing, but there's an anger and discuss with the city through the anger and discuss comes out like a love for the city same with was

she driver in york. Oh yeah, it's crazy! Yes, like that, there's something about what is that? What is that that that the grid of the city there like pushing you down. Well, that's the beauty. The city is its tribal human nature like them set shops and fish fights and racism and all tension, but yet, if the epicenter of technology and finance and sophistication on fifth avenue, so you get that juxtaposition, it's kind of like a boston. You go to Boston, they got mit, they got hobbit, they got all this shit and then they got the fisherman. The blue collar douche

is the irish guy, the immigrants you know, and you get that mix of like insanely, smart with wicked piss I, and these these two worlds, and actually that's a good thing. It's like when a black guy fucks, an asian lady at a good looking kid you're going to mix into are mixing two totally different. Things are coming together and it makes it like peanut butter and chocolate. Peanut butter and chocolate. Never try that what's peanut butter, maybe I have to resist a grease deserve and they are the best candy yeah without the faintness valet, without the without the kind of but the facade yeah What's the difference, a gene allay comedy knew your comedy too. I think one place you kind of go to make it and be discovered.

And be loved at one place you go you can you can get all that new york too, but I think in new york, it's more of a a school, a bootcamp of comedy. Let's make great comedy, let's make original comedy, let's watch the other guys and gals who are at the show at the and learn from them and try to hang out with them in and absorb some of them and in l a elliot like. Why am I on annex get out of my way? I'm the star here, I'm a bigger star than you. Is actually a big star I got out. Were you know it's a lot of that, instead of like dad? That was funny. I gotta be that funny. Damn wish. I had a joke elegant. I don't want to speak for l, a comics because, as you know, bill burr and the jelinek brilliant l a comic, but they all cut their teeth in new york. The thing, then they moved Well, a good point: Ali wong. All these people killer comics, but new york started new york moved to new york. There is something about comics sustain you for a long time, though, like David,

Well, you know what dave yeah he wants to do this park. He does yeah. I'm a huge yeah David but almost say he doesn't want to make it happen? You probably know him like it feels like uses ps. Romanticizing! Every year, like you, almost just love the art of comedy like becoming funnier craft the jokes becoming funnier than the other comments are competing with each other car thing. Not all I like money or fame or any, is that just just purely the comedy of it totally as dave? That's him or not, he's like that: guy in the movies and eighties action movies, where they're like they go up to a creek in Montana and some guy's living in a cabin in the sharpening a stick and they go The russians are coming they're invading we need you you're. The best commando and he's like. I gave that up man I'm done with that lifestyle, though you're the best we did, then he has to suit up eventually. You know he looks at a picture.

Dead, wife and he goes fuck it I'm going in then they fight the ruse keys, but he's that guy, he just is gifted he's like got a gift from Allah and he's the best yeah. A lot of comics. Give him props that so surprising men in cars cause it's surprising to me because It isn't really made it by big as it in the nineties. He was huge at on tv show. He was the guy. That shows that show is awesome by me like as big as I think he deserves to be. So I will that's art. The mainstream shit is always their worst. The like mc animals versus some hole in the wall, adoption mcdonald's again, but it's good I need a certain comics. We name are good, but that the delicacy is gonna, be less talk about unless household name. Even then, the mainstream package, it is vital. He hasn't had. He goes on rogue show once maybe you want to do

and he was with somebody else. Javert Yakima minimal Jeff cross a yak as they did that like two makes thing on my clear air, but he's the quick as guy does the funnier yeah hymning. Now you you're super quick, get. Your appears on recent press are always allow bags just so fast you're wrong with the aryan changes, changes yeah. That was fun. Gone back in january analysis. It comes this never come up. Neither will you were the up. I saw what is, if you like, to bomb instead of coming fail. Maybe the psychology of adverse ike take me through work, as you will talk about being outnumbered in a fight being built up very similar by the way,

Well, I got no eye contact off yeah. I love and only going with the great it's got a nice to be with my people, but yeah as the sheet of paper to look at or I've gone. I got a good sweet spot right there, yes, yeah it's It's a nightmare, but it's part of it. You know it's it's it's! The it's! The validation to is the worst part like cause yo. Whenever you do comedy and kill, you can be a great comic, but even David, always brilliant guys. They feel like they're good. You feel like you're, getting away with something out of a day job, I'm telling jokes for a living. I'm talking about my dick up here and they're fucking loving me, and they call me- is a genius at all this talk about my sack, you know and and it's great it makes people happy and it's funny, but that bombing when you bomb your go. Your first thought is like yeah yeah right efforts, you like

You got what you don't like this shit and then you just start going in you're like nah. Maybe it isn't that good, maybe they're right I do suck. I knew I sucked. I should become a mailman, you know and it stinks, and it feels you feel alone. And you feel, like you, wasted their time and then you're like what was I thinking. I could be a comedian or the fuck. Who am I, you know, eddie murphy. What am I doing here? So it's a lot of just spire out of horrible thoughts, but I also love that it hurt so bad bombing fuckin hurts because now now everybody doesn't do it. I think a lot more do comedy, probably in figure it out, but the bombing is so brutal that it keeps the autumn. I went Minneapolis as there is a great city, as the sun, is shining wise in the city like packed in there like cause. The winters are so bad and we love it because it keeps everybody out and I feel the same about comedy the bombs are so brutal. Oh I'm bombs robin them in bed, I'm just staring at the ceiling like what the fuck was that we give ptsd

I founded an arena once twenty thousand people added thirty minutes to silence. Thank you. So it's not just like one joke fails, as I say start piling on like is irrecoverable. It's an one joke: failing is very common like a lot of audience, don't even notice like that bomb. You cause you get you get so many jokes and raw egg sandwich ago and then a bow and then a good one. But when you bomb it's almost like, they chose we'd. All like you and nothing you say, will redeem yourself. It's hard to get out of it's like being pulled down by your hair. You can't get back again when the light, no matter. What can you get him back by acknowledging like the around the room that, like an opening It's all going to go always funny when he made fun of it, but he sucks he's still sad still sucks. That's the worst part you're going. Oh, this is good. You guys. Just don't like me just cause you don't like me, doesn't mean I'm bad. They are going to open, MIKE's alive listening because, firstly, I think that

It is an open might, at least the ones I've been too is our most this other committee, is, is it or like a leaf people who don't seem to want to laugh at agents, and so I just love exists, human nature and perseverance as best the here's comedians. I clear ie is mostly off than they ever dream. Would you get up there right, lady? Some weird, you know new year's resolution dash, but for the most part, its people who want to be committing like a lot of open makers of people have clearly have done this for quite a long time at least a year to maybe five years and their often not very funny And the just bombing in front of an audience of like twenty. Were there just sitting there like almost like me, kill them with their eyes or maybe

an arrow and they still push through they still they still like If they're doing an arena in everybody's laughing, you still there they'll, got their energy trying almost to an audience that doesn't exist like had I answer their dreams because I guess you have to do that to keep the energy of the act going and it's just so beautiful to watch them try. It is and also the what happens open mic. I dunno five minutes, whatever Do they walk off and that walk back? Stage and like a kid, what who do they look at the wheel? look d. Make eye contact with people do phone eulogy, your feet de just zone, our economy I'm gonna go white, lino just here white noise and go out it's it's tough. But you got it, you need a little adele, a little delusion to be a comedian to get a new one,

hello, but a delusion, like you think you can do this. You know, at ten years ahead of you of Hell and you're up for this, and you know most comics, we see a horrible crowd and we see our friend bomb and we go yeah he's bomber, but I'll get him I'll get him. And then you don't get em but that's human nature to is like I they like it but they'll like me, need a little of that. To keep going is a comedian freedom too much too. It is, then you're a psycho, but you need a little while the second could be good for recovery. That's it you're do last It goes immensity offline. They talked to elon and we talked about doing stand up. That he's thinking. Maybe do a few minutes of stand up say if you need a coach elon, I gotcha. Well, maybe you should move to austin coach and full time.

They can fly man. So what what advice would you give to some you who on who was the tried to five minutes like the early steps of are trying to go to an open one? ec and say something funny. Well, that's the irony of comedy is and of its irony, but it's like the beginning is the hardest part. Usually the beginning is easy part I m playing this level of mario start a jump over one cooper, trooper whatever and in the end is like Jesus Christ. I get thirty guys govern abbe colonies, the opposite! The beginning is like it's a godless, it's just obstacles and, like you said, open mike's you. I watch these famous comedians on netflix and you go this way obama open mic, they're killing- and you know, radio city is abominate open mic, that's the weird part! So it's almost! You have to go through hell just to get to the the promised land and the I would say rehearse the shit out of it, because you're gonna get frazzle up their everything's out. Oh this good material, but you also forget about the other

part of delivering it, having confidence being likeable. Having timing having it. Aidance figure out who you are figure with the audience thinks you are or how they perceive you. Could you can go, I say all this, but they go. Isogai is clearly gay The accident, not gay, you know, that's all there now they're, not listen to the jokes dillinger got gotta know how you look and it just repetition, repetition and bombing is not failure. That's what you gotta remember If you give you do a killer hour and then you take it the netflix embalm bomb he but bond our failure. It's just data It's going! Oh okay, I gotta great tool that that didn't work some wrong there. They by MR word there, so you a treat, the air, the act almost like like.

Like ingredients in a in a in a cooking in a dish. You know like, oh, that I put too many eggs in take an egg out. You've got a treat like that and look when you pull it a bad cake out of an oven. You go, I fucked up, but it doesn't hurt your feelings, but when you bomb and fuck it hurt your feelings, so you got a factor that and do your feelings can be heard and just almost be Robot and just keep going towards that open. Like you know, scary, it open MIKE is bombing cycle bombing in front of other comedians is way worse because they know, which is happy. And they could have saved you and they did way worse and gonna be earth, colonel quote friends slack his journey yeah. Now these evil people of twisted booked up workpeople

Can you tell like, in those early days, let's just talk about that like at the open mic level, that a joke is going to be good on paper like that again, my experience is, or maybe can be, my coach in this particular moment so like Larry nasser, that's have everybody. I hope nobody, writers there's another. Have amazing team of folks I with editing in there now currently sweating. I gotta leave that when I was quick as promptly Ali, that one does good so you're going in front of an just even to give a let terrifies me up with which have done but open. My I mean that to me perhaps, while I going open mics in listening is cause I just it terrified so much the yeah of going up.

And bombing them is scary and to do it one minute to be honest, scary and five minutes, and I'm o wash enough open, meister realise a five minute. Long time limit depends on your comedy, but if you're doing fast stuff, five missis, in the long term, though it's eternity, and I guess it was a long story. It too is a long time because, if his stories now, where you're building up to something, if the story is going to fail, have you just spent all that time telling the story that completely went flat completely and nothing? I guess if you have a series of jokes, at least try to recover and they do the Mitch Hedberg. They were like I across that all yeah. Well, able to like I've, tried to write a few things I am able to tell that is really bad.

Ha ha ha ha. I better than most mostly was egos, kick undergo and others is good. Now see I'm able to interest back there. I get seems funny, and he I guess the thing. I'm looking for a regional like there's easy stuff, that you think is funny. But to me originality is the thing you should be looking for, because then that's what's actually becomes funny. Like or rather if its original, even if it bombs that feels like more a beautiful creation that you dead miguel, easy swung for, like you, did something unique even with open mic, your first five minutes, there's so many just good enough open, mics you'll hear like all that. There's like a list of jokes, the just go to. First of all, you can make fun of the that europe will make that you're doing this, the first time and so on.

We do a lot of stuff. We make fun of your appearance in some way and so on, but I guess you could do that. You know that takes actually this way hearted. People, realised doing an original way. Yes do took present, who mars person very quickly enough to put tat person down for a re everybody else she have to reveal the ices like the exit go. He knows it. We're thing. Yeah exactly, but do it again in an original way, and so like I'm trying to write stuff out with that, not that I've tried long is like thirty minutes, but as enough to see like oh shit the to write. Something original is really difficult. It is what do you got a bit anything now, you didn't write any one line or anything for this now

well didn't in general, ever in your life ever written a joke. Oh yeah, yeah, okay! No! But I don't have anything in my pocket, so the the the jokes that I've written have I would like, for some reason my mind goes to like dark places like not a sheet dark in the mud. Norman dark because you go really dark towards that goal is absurd yeah. My natural inclination is to go to like a dark historical like place like hitler and Stalin and almost said, go to that place and then talk about some. Absurd there. So I don't go like all the way I dunno. I don't want to give examples because it'd be clipped but the, but the mark norman style. Look it up. He has a special on as you do

That kind, and I want to almost explore the dark aspects of human two more kind of connected to actual historical figures. That's the that's inclination like our natures metal. The branch other explores like the darkness of nature s. Something there through that heard that you already know that you're gonna go to the court. The comedy already- and I that's interesting step ahead- yeah. I can hear I'm with most thing. I do in life again like here the music from a distance like in myself like ok, if you have any saying this is the direction of beer with. I

She knowing exactly all the steps and that's the nice motivation to be like alright. Well, if you do this for a long time, maybe you'll have a chance to get there ray, but yet the I that that's where the it's a feature to be super self critical. I think yet, but then that's why it's fucking terrify to walk up to the stage, stand there and probably forget everything, yeah, that's the other part. Nobody thinks about. Just goes right out of your head, go fighter flight, it's ugly, my first years or periphery bombing horrific stammering horrific, not remembering the punchline, like you got it may be gonna set up going there come on board and like as it came, a camera goes and you just hate yourself. It's it's a nightmare, but you ve already kind Maybe we haven't done stand at or whatever you kind know your voice and that's that's pretty advanced, see not true. They be somebody ass. I guess yeah just for having done that pakistan lecture unravelling of eve oven.

There is already done some of the work of the standards. Do wishes and bears yourself in front of others for long periods of time. Yes, yes or no, done that without actually developing the funny russia, IRAN, but maybe the fine just does not that difficult to develop its super difficult course I mean. Maybe the essential work of a standard comedian is just the embarrassment of like finding who you are yeah. That's a part of it for sure. In the beginning, you're like what about what's funny about water about a month ago, Whenever there ain't? That's not it. You know it's. It's the earth shit your shit like your dark. So for me I tell gravitate too it's dark, but in a weird way, where you know people will say like hey, don't objectify women, but then they go caitlyn, jenner's, beautiful and you're like well whale. I know something's off here, why can you objective by her, but not the supermodel?

what's going on there and I like to play with that. So I have this joke. Reiser Kalen jenner, women go, kill, ungenerous, beautiful, beautiful woman. I got what you look like her and they go fuck you and you like, there's a lot of truth there, but I like exploring that kind of. Oh you trying to get one over on me or you're lying to yourself or what? What are we doing here and I like I like that kind of comedy. I don't see color black? No you're, not you know that's fun because you're you're lying, I yeah. You ok, so like big time comedians such as yourself, don't like to think of yourself in this way, but here we go yeah. This is like where you overfill philosophize comedy but yeah. Definitely it seems like comedians. Don't say important, nothing worse than a comedian thinks they're import yeah. So I was gonna. I was trying to find, as I was trying to say these words every to realize how cliched is and how uninteresting

is someone to just but there's something more is old. Thing is honestly onlookers legality as like six comics on the planet, but nobody cares ok decision I just ask you in the in the pilots say you know you, don't you get you get listeners. They ve out long ago, Dan, ireland on here are the around which come back and forth to urge is noise and a huge fan? It was on here before he'll, be back. I've been that she really trying to volunteer myself aggressively with Dan Carlin. For for like a russian episode where I speak russian, I I there's there's certain documents saying talk with jacques about this too certain things I may I just love the challenge of bringing russian documents that can really in russian and they can translate and can try to catch. The other depth of the writing.

You know in the russian language communicate to american audience. So much is lost in translation like this. So much in and poetry in the russian language, it's connected. Every language that every language but Many languages are uniquely able to capture the culture. People and yet in some way there, the representation of the culture, the people not so, russia's definite that, like represents the for history. How much of the twentieth century will all the atrocities of the other broken promises of the kind of things norms Russian literature is it's the most tapped into human existence than anything else on norm, macdonald yeah, big, big russian literature, guy dostoevsky. All that shit. It's funny that there is a gap comedians too there's a culture. Russian comedy like stanhope comedians that our terror on all these russians

I mean I don't know today and oh I mean more from the eighties and nineties and so there's a jack off. I know I know that's not so. There's like a force. That's that's. I've never seen that offensive. No, no! It's not! If, if and there's a different there's there's a there's like the innocence and there's the edgy that russian Believe me. We are pleased that there is russian comics, yet russia, The commentary little I'm giving you I'm giving her like a style of darkness like that the people that kind of the challenge that they they give again to how important comedians are as they give, voice. The people were in the soviet union. You really can like express your opposition to the guy As our committee is exceptionally important there, for just

generally, the anger even went. Sometimes it's not the actual opposition to the government. There. Channeling, the anger, the frustration with the absurdity of lifelike You know when there's a shortage of food shortages, jobs, the the the absurd have the bureaucracy like the top heavy government. Just all of that can only sometimes be express with like dark, absurd humor, in that I actually why they theirs culture of that kind of humor. You know you gather on the table with vodka and all you can do is just talk, shit yeah just be offensive, say or will shed ball burst. I mean squire school, shooting jokes appeal, but how do you do that? Unlike what may that's idea with it? like how come I gotta go I gotta empathize. The way you do, they were different.

I so knowledge skip the whole open like thing crafting jokes, tough kerouac said one day. I will find the right words and they will be simple. When do you know the joke is done. Is perfect. You're, somebody that does like real The sharp like fast jokes eggs. So, like that, there's somebody I dunno, I dunno, who you see yourself in the same school ass. I had heard your darker and faster than Hedberg. I think in terms of lake. Just I dunno the turns you take a very thanks. I appreciate it either that's a nor mcdonald and I mean that's right well obviously norm, but Chris rock was huge for me. Chrysophora old, like nineties, Chris rock was like I didn't know. You could do jokes like that. I always of george carlin and Groucho Marx and bill Murray, as so many different types of comedy,

but when I saw the bigger and black or bring the pain I was like. Oh my god dislike it. Hit me so that was big and the norms like the funniest guy on the planet. So him him being the smart in the robot. Acting dumb was great, So yeah I chris rockets way of cutting to the the bullshit, which I I mentioned earlier. I liked that cutting through the bullshit kind of style of comedy because you kind of go. Oh I'm not crazy! That's what I thought too. I was too scared to say, but I thought that, and he sang in a room of people are laughing. Maybe I'm not an idiot so that helped me so absorbed observational, but not jerry jerusalem the operation is like lagoon, the darker thing yet like within society. But I like him too, but seeing it doing it about stuff like in your I've society race, gender government. They saw that kind of got act, lady, Agnes sex

emotions jealousy whatever it is that that's the good stuff. How did you feel when norm passed away? That was a bummer because he was you know what sixty one and I just didn't see it coming, and I just I watched so many hours of his stuff, and many areas like he was like this committed ok, we got norm. You know this somewhat shit comedy than you see normally like this is next level. This is savant type shit and then too, whose aim is like a normal had twenty more years, at least of just content and content and thoughts and his point of view, and that's will never get that sucks. Yeah, there's something about artists, like Jimi hendrix, die, Cs early, it's a guy, you wonder what was next year was next, but then part of his ike you know it all and follow lessons walking away early.

Is. It's kind of admirable summers: lake I did a pretty good job yeah I'm good with that, especially the way, he did. Who should not telling anybody? I know nine years is best friends, don't even know, and in this way what of like victimhood and I need clicks, and I need people to love me. He could play got canceled and yelled at in trouble and he could have pulled that it's a card and he never did I'm in the integrity on this motherfucker and you get a chance to interact with him like what how many? How often do you meet 'em? I met him once at the comedy. Cellar, and we chatted for five minutes and then he went on and did the letterman said that he did? He was running the letterman set, and sweet guy, nice guy no that well, but I mean just brilliant- and I also a brilliant guy who does stupid stuff? That's a fun. Fun

the old combo there like silly guys who are actually brilliant. Also, you know, like louis CK is a brilliant comic and he'll. Do a a joke about farting on a kid and you're like at great that still find sparks bunny Annie's. Also this comedic genius guy. I like that doesn't really acknowledge genius. Yeah yeah, I like a like smart people, their silly. Yes, that's good! but, like you said he you on a silly on freight cause, we taught we teach kids like hey, put that down. Stop that quick cut, not good horse and around, but maybe that some kind of sign of brilliance there being like childlike and jellies is a kind of wisdom those people away, wiser than the people now fast to me, were soon take themselves way too seriously. How are you gonna spark in you,

here you got a little- was the matter elf, imp limp and given that a girl, you know what I now it's like a little said talking character. Amp yeah it might emphasize, the european mythological being similar to a fairy or do a call me a ferry, frequently know okay, similar to a fairy or a demon. I feel, like that's a big leap: big leap, yeah, that's not a great! The info bio they're frequently discuss and folklore superstition. The word may perhaps derive from the term imp with a why he used to do A young grafted tree gets a little mischievous. You got a twinkle, you'd have serious buttoned up guy is a twinkle as a twinkle

and the audience can see the twinkle and that's why he resonate. I think now cause alright deep analysis by mcdormand psychological analysis, okay, but then back to the crafting of the joke. You said Chris rock norman donald, like what, for you How do you know when the joke is done? They are there. Some jokes are you like are proud of like, while that that's as well yeah yeah, the joke is done at a tough question. Cause there's so many different kinds of jobs is what we call a chunk, which is a big idea with a much of jokes in the middle of it and then a big crescendo at the end or there's a one liner or there's a tag, a joked, it's also a joke. So the jokes come indifferent like

the joker was there. I met my girl and that jewish app was that jewish app called paypal. Nice ass, the hell out there ask you want from the crowd, but it's a fun turn because you say your thing and then I hit you with a misdirect and that's what a joke is a joke. It's basically me saying something: That makes sense, but you didn't see it coming and that's a perfect example that so that joke took forever to figure out by the way. You know and they got the different to different services. Pay pal grandma. What's funny is exactly, and I figured pay pal funny because has work pay in it. In Then motor is also not really a good work? Venmo paypal, it just hits better papers, funnier, somehow it's funnier, so bad and that's the beauty of karma there's a weird little magic. Do it you can get technical all day and formulaic, but there's still that little bit of fairy does you don't know why this is funnier or imp dust. If dust, yes, the, why?

Ok, so you know a job die when it kills, and if this is next to a joke when you feel like this is buttoned up. There's this is done here is simple, see the right word there. Yeah zilla geared chopping, where you adding stuff, I was a few, like simplicity, is always the best angle. I mean you can get real high concept with a joke and still make a work, but the sick, where the better I saw Dave Chapelle on stage once and chris rock and dmitri Martin were in the back watching in awe and days while I came over the joke, but he said something about sex. Are women and dmitri embargoes othello easy? and chris rock goes- that's why it's good- and I remember hearing that as a young comic like ugh, I'm getting this like. You know comedy lesson: radio for these two titans, and so that was fun simple, key. So the easiest occurs at such a weirdo at it. I think I am amber red a hearing. Eminem say something about: maybe the song some shit.

One of the songs, his again Who is going to be good because a guy like really repetitive. An annoying very quickly that deserve the music equivalent of arm is too easy there. I think, super catchy. As a musician. You might get very quickly bored as your creating. It knows. Tuesday is too easy to think to be some more complexity to about. I like complexity, but the best guys who are the ones who make complex. She had look simple. Like you ever heard that Ben franklin story or he's talking to his friend his friends like I'm, going to start a hat store, so he puts a sign that says hats, foresail, twelve dollars and Anne Van Brandt looks at it goes: wait only the twelve hours if all they need to know, is that you got hats for sale. It's like all right, so he loses. The twelve dollars makes a new sign hats for sale and it goes

you? Don't you don't really need for sale, because it's a business people can put that together. So he just goes all right. It makes the new sciences, hats and then Ben franklin's, like You know you don't really need the word hat. You can just put a picture of a hat and he made a new style just a picture of a head like help the business or something like some more wives' tail or whatever, but I think that all time when I'm writing at others going to like there was no sign it went like super like made. I was like that good work do what you like as a comedian, Some I'm of yours enjoy. I really enjoy you in conversations does your now get not allowed that this? get out like emotion, viewing it up at the red called inside? I mean just the quickness have obviously also- sent alchemy. What's your favorite medium. To shine in the

a pike s yourself, an actual pike s next year off in the park as guests, yeah which is always fun to listen to you. Are you gonna? Do the different people you greater again what what? What do you enjoy? Most podcasts are great because you can you can stretch out a little more, you can breathe a little. You know with a ups that I like to be like boom boom boom boom boom, but puck as a great, because it's insatiable, so you can be it's also you're being funny with your friends, whereas a stage is like a. This is a piece. This is a presentation, but I think the the podcast is great, but you don't get the reaction. Unless the host is laughing, you can here, the guy in his car and new jersey drive and a work on. Ah ever now, Rita common, like I split up my my coffee when you said this like, but it's not a media, you want the immediate, so Stanhope will always be number one, but there's no better feeling than killing in a room,

of people who don't know what you are strangers. You know Nowhere. You left your at home. You left your kids. You left your house near the middle of bum fuck, dick l, a ring for these hillbilly. Whatever it is another sling and thereby There is a clear and you on that, carry out and you fucked up that lady, you leave when you get back to your hotel in your whole age jet. What was that no we'll ever know about it, just lost in the ether, that's the best feeling, yeah killing and obscurity as bill burr would say yeah. This is one of the things that sucks about giving lectures like at universities are giving lectures in general is when you look at the audience you several hundred students, there all have a board look in their face, yet your leg. Even

my my face now private looks board, but I'm actually excited to be talking to you. But there's something about just the only about a comical. Maybe this the contagion of laughter but like it gives people the freedom to just laughed. Like said, to remove ever side of a you. Don't have the you'd have to pretend like you don't care they give you carry, can show it. Yeah have fun with it, probably liquors out of here and help for sure there is a especially and that's why comedy is so popular right now, because h, or is up our ass were scared. It old tweets that might come back to haunt what did I say on editor view. Even people at offices are like I put some on facebook and ninety ninety. Now that was about fat tits that I liked should I get rid of that. Even people say like there's: no cancel whatever there is something in the air right now that wasn't there before here, it's

video, I care and I caught a trader joe whatever it is, this people rat on each other now tattle tailing because they want the clicks. It's a horrible society. We ve grafted, but stand up. Comedy gets you to come out and now people do it. Stanhope shows to sadly, but they get you to come let that inhibition down like cause we're all human we've all had the fucked up thoughts like manner guys fetish shit, it'll mean you hate the guided me a fabulous your fat shaming, but you can't say that at the office you can go above your fetish. Shit you'll get fired for body shaming, but at the club you go that guy's fetish in the crowd goes is spanish it's weird cathartic thing, because all we do is tap shit down. It's kind of like you ever meet a girl who's like all prim and proper. Then in the bedroom. She's like put a lamp up. My ass, whatever it is. It goes we gotta get out we're all repressed in some way? So I guess what you're saying is comedy is important and yeah

play it sir, waiting about asking? What do you think about the comedy scene we'll talk by lay new york. Will you think about what you're trying to create there so I thought I should say that the reason I moved to us than others dream of when we favour said the string of becoming the audience at least others sure No, I was that you can hear the music in a distant side. Did I have this dream around robotics, an artificial intelligence, whether its accompany where there is something else that I would just point me too do I actually to san francisco and then all my friends in San Francisco said knows wrong place, who I know it's at this time, the sis the cynicism there? Is Is not conducive to lake, taking big leaps into the unknown excited about the future clothing and arson was that now, with the

for me, in particular, with either mosque, but also just the energy that already had, including Joe the excitement about the future. If Austin burns to the ground- and it actually is a complete failure at being excited about the future- seems to be like optimism about the future seems to be the thing that actually makes that future happen. It makes a great future happen, so it's always cool for me to see. Like Joe super excited about creating like a sure and austin like making. At a comedy hub like yeah, I don't want to overstate it, but he I mean. I think he really believes his it'll be a very big place for comet in the united states and japan in the world, and so just I believe that this powerful, like I could see you start to make it is time to make it energy is there anyway. So, but that's for me from just an outsider watching the funding. I should also mention,

for less of an outsider, more incisive. In march art world partially, probably because of Joe. I'm not sure daughter, her Gordon ryan, the b team, all those folks, those are that might be gibberish to you but others are like some. The greatest grabbers martial arts of all times is also becoming this hub of martial arts, for the have. The whole thing is. This is beautiful, what what are your thoughts about that seen? What does a lot lot here? A lot of things dimension one. I think Joe did do that too, and a degree. You know like all these pupils lives there now lotta comics live there, he's opening clubs, other clubs or opening. I think it's happening that the other If people go everybody's, moving to Austin Austin's the new hub and then they look at their watch and they go five minutes went by and nothing changed. It's going to take years. You know, but but he wants. It now were asked. Them is no

industry there. You know, there's no netflix whatever and you're like yeah, I know, but it it needs a minute. You can't just do this overnight, so people forget that, so it could happen huge just give it some time and he's opening a club. I went and saw it it's incredible like it's so perfect for comedy it's every detail, it's credible, but so it could happen still. I do think where. Is a little biting off more than they can chew with Austin, because it's not that big. So, like a spread, I mean he has that big and the the infrastructure is not quite exactly to support it. But as a lot of mere preparing for my for the tec side, for

It has a lot of land to expand into through. I become this, helps like you basically establishing is kind of like when new york, you're you're thousand these whole neighborhoods yeah, and you have the freedom to do that, because there's a lot of space on all sides: yes, okay, so that helps so again, maybe some time I I do agree with the the new hope, that's kind of built in a human beings of like let's go to america. Let's girl, you toby utopia. We even have a with space. Let's go mars. We gotta see what's over there and its is red dusty bullshit, but you still gotta go I am with the on that about this new hope, this new land and I think that is beautiful and I think is a lie. A haters, and there is a lot of naysayers who hate change, who hate anything new, and then I think either got gotta go eight that hurts that sucks, but blow me dick lists Try some euro loser stop hate on me. I mean how be people law must get. Yes, there is

There is some of the criticisms. Manassa beat a fad liquor. Allow. People are really people are excited about us, then, and some Thus, I think, green day became famous. You no longer want to write the affair greedy, but to me like this, loss was already. Cool town, like every comic five years, goes like oh diagnostics. We gonna can't wait. So what already at a buzz, but some people think maybe the buzz was the cool part. The fact that it was like this off the beaten path. City and now active visit it and then leave, but I think it could still be this comedy tech booming place. It is will take some time and people want it right now, while on the tour, inside it's already there, it's his game is getting there very fast. So I mean he was really pushing that with the factory is just sticky huge Number of people are moving, there were jobs,

you're already starting and then the opportunities to launch new companies is just incredible. I guess is not right. Now, it's like within months within a year that kind of thing, but like it's an opportunity to just start to build shit in a new place and it's kind of like going to mars. They could get to start over yeah and I liked the whole best backed adding that's huge for people, and I am all for it. I hope it works out on over will, but I don't know anything about economies in cities as planning and all that shit, so it might be too you say, but I hope it works. They still autonomy. Ass their mars aston mars is there is not the man? there's, no vagina there, there's no food there what are their at an ardent seems. I get space travel. I think it's important, but I don't know mars- is really gonna move the needle.

So what are your thoughts about the armor skins, basics and launch rockets into space? It's all good, because you could. Hey. We can just feed everybody and was again it's true, but the way these guys give a ton of money to like philanthropy shit that nobody cares about by the way. You know it's weird like he conveyed the diver nigeria and with pocket change of his and you're. Maybe he has you know, like I heard bill gates, gave back so much money saved six billion lives, but that's a reverse holocaust. By the way, that's pretty good. What have you done? Europe, Mr Solana, you know I just think I think space travel is good because you learn about the place you're living in from going to space. It kind of helps you learn about this more You could say: what's the point of all this other there, but it it it does help. I think you are doing difficult things in the engineering space seems to be a way to develop, like as a

as almost like an accident as a side effect of doing a really difficult thing in a team of brilliant people, you develop things like the internet you could argue that the internet may be is not so good for site just getting. I got a bad air, but what it's like? A pull up, you're trying to your bicep going but hey, but before you know you got D. For arms, but you are working on the forums you wanted to buy, but you got the four and I think, that's kind of what space travel is. I, like others like pivoted, into to work out routine advice, drawing it an analogy gone here, they worked very I'll. Take What are your thoughts about since I'm a robotics person to be curious to see like what do you think about the space at all about? First of all, time was vehicles with It has a lot of pilot and weigh more soldiers measures you familiar with other the autonomous vehicles and so those robots on wheels

and there's also legged robot. So next time you nothin you get to meet them, the help us have been working on and that I find those kind of A fascinating way to explore the nature of intelligence in arm computers. But also explore our own intelligence enough. Explore our own like what makes us connect to other living beings with its dogs, cats, or other humans like there's some magic. There that beyond just intelligence- and I, they're, going have the robot dog there's some aspect to it. That a brings me joy in a way that it, does in waiting, good friend does yet then interesting, and I'm not sure if that some kind of at the where I'm projecting warm projecting right. My hopes for this. What this thing is, but

by its cut a built in anyone, is just the source of joy, and maybe it is connected with the fact that their just like a loneliness with all of us with them, and this is nice to have other things in your life that move that recognise you. That I suppose it's nice even just have a plant, yet it is planned was way you see a guy with plans of the permanent changes. The apartment cause they're alive, I've got a water 'em. You gotta put sun on him, so yeah, I think there's some there and I think you can see people's real. Since, when you show them advanced technology like these dog robots. Are these robots, dance and shit people alike I don't like it hits home in some way, whether its fear or or you want to fuck em, clearly whatever it is, but it does connect with you-

some way. So I'm with you- and I think this is why don't they robots will take over? Who is it that robot or make it up to advance the going to wipe us out well above if robots get it human emotions that is scary cause they could. They could get mad at us and kill us and they're stronger. They don't need sleep, they don't need food, they don't need water, they don't get jealous that I you know, but if they have emotions that I think we can dominate them because who's that emotion, who knows, emotions better than us We ve got thousands of years of evolutionary emotional bullshit. We go ahead, robot, I heard you your wife, like that blackened decker, her they're gonna crumble. We can bully them. Emotionally monopoly robot. Yes, that's when will win right now they could kill us that you just with all died and we shoot them back being big, big bang, that's no good, but if they do get a boat

and then we can go ahead. You're yeah! You look like Hell. What is that a rusty bolt a drop ins of oil there? You know you loser. I think we can wait if we if they do get. Emotions says this goes back to your father being able to ok, you're, the sun lower right. So the creators of the robots, the robots will, just you you'd, say the exact thing With a robot will be let that son of a bitch, it goes back to his whole and just sits there miserable wretch, your hardware looks well, I love where they get it up. Yadda, yadda, yadda but I'm not worry about robots and, I think self. Would you think what the self driving cars is that just. Wiping out the horse and buggy, isn't that just progression of technology yeah Also, I dunno if you've driven tesla, for example, I have live ro in the passenger and s arrival the eight there, sir, stages, and that I think is the problems were harder than people realise, and-

quite awhile ill, just make driving more pleasant, he'll make it less stressful he'll take over from the boring best for you and make it easier like there's something happens. Actually when the car is drive- being for you in the following way like it's, staying in the lane is keeping this. Is the car ferry maybe is changing ways it alive. Cause to relax a little bit less? You become, you start to be alert, but he become like a passenger and you get it. Like taking the world Mr Saleh's more relaxing without making you necessarily like board more it it's energizing more. So I just think it makes the driving experience more pleasant, but when you actually fully automate cars, when you can just complete tonight, I reading a book or go to sleep that might change society like in ways, we don't

I can understand because you'll have an end as the you'll probably change the nature of roads, because the cars, because now you can be super productive, haha and so no longer quite matters to you as much hello. It takes to get from point a to point b because you not wasting their time. You just continue working yeah I'd like public treasure, the conseil exactly, and so they, though built maybe ass roads and big arose and ill judged change the nature of how we get from point a to point b, you're right, but that cut them couple that also with the fact that we seem to be more and more comfortable existing in the digital world so like maybe we won't want to go outside more and more will just interact with each other, virtually It also means do meetings. I mean just other ways that sir that's her there's more.

A zoom than assuming that this, but then, maybe not because like there's something deeply and compelling while meetings a- I guess there remote unless they're super information, dense, at least to me, as a podcast fan kind of suck they suck there's no connect. It goes back to the dog thing with the zoom. Is inaction and we're not at all. Extend whether when are you making eye contact, it's something merits in the road spare me that's like out of our understanding, probably some kind of weird biological you ever have cheerios in a bowl, the Cheerios tender they tend to go together. You see a cluster cheerios they're, never really hanging out on the other side and that's kind of how people are in engineering, really wonder what the physics of that is, so they they they come together and they stick solely with molecules yeah, I dunno camera what it was, but it was fascinating and I think that's up

belarus and I think you trotted to write a tv show or or craft a movie with your team zoom, nothing they're like phone sex, furthest, penetrate one day, a learner I added, I know nothing of either the I look folk, I think, there's a phone sex. Flicks documentary dyed her. This is show or something like that that is really I wanna go wisely It can learn about that. I get send some links They rely on the internet, self driving car. I think it's just the inevitable it's common and these truckers are going to have to figure something out. Yeah I mean that's, that's an under understood industry. Because there's no there's a lot of tracking jobs in earlier and people don't wanna work. People want. I should take them anymore, because this is a difficult job, so it will have a lot of people believe a war have as big of a negative impact. This centre

They d be other automation. I think they'll have not impact yeah for sure we already see mcdonald's, you go to them Beep beep beep: why do you want to get yelled at by the heavyset woman of color? You know for megan a bad order when you can, just you know, hit the screen, but those interactions they are human. I mean that's part of life so that it is scary, taking away everything how long to or not fucking that's common to air, then he's gonna have to. Types of people you're fucked in real Are you a digital black person, I'm a digital like real values that we get date ass, common or there is also the reproduction side of sex which is like with genetic engineering ubiquitous justify a little bit of details. I talked to a gym rats about that, like where you can specify like where the it will start with like I want my child not to have I got,

hi likelihood of diabetes, something like tat and then you get to specify like intelligence is get this, but by those kinds of parameters until you're like basically trying to if the perfect human and you lose some of the magic of the flaws that make us who we are yes- and you know I pretty sure in the full light of humans, like that, so Let me give you some information about gender and she subject. I am sure you researched this thoroughly, but n, a male of the human species of the homo sapiens, produces five hundred billion osbourne cells in a lifetime. So That's all some more than others. That's all unique

the genetically unique humans the produce, even across those five hundred billion, you can select estonian, like abort, some or not you can choose which of them. You want me just imagine all the gent genetic possibilities there there, like all the possible. If you won The race yes shocking, as he has all the five hundred brilliant, we have to imagine what the competition does tarts all day long handicap. Well, so, is not actually the fast, the sperm or get the it's. I think a lot of his time in luck what it seems like this actual papers on this, and I have actually been reading. I hope, since not just like the fast sperm to the egg. Ok there's a time the thing, so you were just lucky alright. I I believe that so it's interesting to think about, like once, you're able to specify.

Some parameters of what your child is like how they it is the nature of even just like the intimacy of to humans getting together and make creating together a child here. Any change in changes, its summit. It becomes a factory law, in some kind, a veto me. Naturally, yeah, if you only natural in there and then you don't and you get get to optimize your child, then it's yeah, then it's some like you have to is that a utilitarian type things like what's good, society and I will probably be regulation about what kind of children you can have a not like yours? I cannot have an I q below this robot, like that, I hear. Cannot we already kind of do that we so vip Clubs like I you're gonna, ugly or women, go he's not tall enough. We

do a little specially sexually? do cabin on the roller coaster view the shore whatever it is. You know how we do it in some capacity, but here the be like fully transparent. And to a degree that is hard to imagine. I get over the wood where we currently do it. You can at least get around it. Yes, is this trick your way onto the rollercoaster, even if your short re or the fat guy can get rich, it lay in others other ways at the risk, asking the totally wrong person this question: what advice would you give to young people today in high school in college by her to learn how successful career career there there proud of or maybe have a life at their proud of well, first, while you gotta be you gonna wanna live your product matter, but it has any integrity. Appeal is alive, healed,

one short money? I want to feel good. Look good right now. I want to do molly boma feel good. You know, but you should space it out. He should itself was like saving money, so you can use, later? Nobody wants to save money. What are they sailing a lumber scent of america? Crises has money saved a thousand dollars or some shit is wildly low. Everybody wants it now now. What do you call immediate gratification? I think the key to us happiness and satisfaction is working for something. Even if it's a it's like a baby. If you could have a baby and five minutes of a woman, you got out you just dinner and she had a baby I have been at sbo newborn healthy. I think you'd be more likely to throw it away. If you could make it that quick, it's the fact that you spent nine months back, getting the labour, the lactating, the ripped placenta, the high man or whatever the fuck. That's what makes you love it

same with comedy or or making money, or whatever look at these kids who who, like child stars, they all become heroin attics at like twenty two, because they just their sensors, are burned out their pleasure sensors, even if the it I think earning it is a big part of life. And I always try to do better to do more to learn new things, Bora life sucks live it play the piano. Then you judge what you you won't do it, because it eggs effort and and failure, and all that, but that's the good part- and I know it's hard to see so I think that's that's a good good keep alive is work hard someday. You care about and then love the result, though the hard work the journey is actually way more important than just getting something every wants to go on amazon, I got a package, then you feel good for ten seconds and

alright, let's go on amazon again and then you just it's just a dumb cycle of you being disgusting and gluttonous so work for it. Everybody wants to take steroids and just poop enough. While you pointed me why, because I'm russian or what I saw the the icarus yeah, but no I'm not said you're on Royds I've just seen a bigger flatter. I'm just saying you know work for some and then I would also young people eat shit early, eat? Shit early, I know a guy who Canada cancelled or whatever and he had an out early, but he tried to get by any try to ride it and in all came crumbling down. But if you even that early, like yeah I fucked up. I did that whatever was he would have, he would have just kind of been been shit for a month and then I would have gone away, but now it's his whole identity and that sucks so eat shit early, and I know it's hard to see what I mean early, I'm in the present, but look ahead. Look back. This time will pass

we look at high school high school is the biggest thing in our lives. Oh, my god, this exam susie q, eight may the football player beat me yup I'll never recover. Now you don't even think about high school is just a blip in your dumb life. You know and that's what this is now. This will just be a blip, so remember that and work toward somethin and work hard and care about the result of the resulting good try in, and failure is not always bad fairly. We look of failures and I'll be all my life's over. I failed but failures rages. Learning, let's up In summary, each early and each had often yes, mary mark norman, eat ass, then that's the escalated quickly. Hi. I have a list, the random questions for you. What activities make you loose

if time allows? I have that go into that zone. He have this happiness contaminated by youth. He just truly enjoy yeah. I think a good conversation like I'll sit at the comedy cellar with friends. Maybe a little whiskeys flowing and when you really just by being in an inherent in him in anybody, you can do what is it and had been uninhabited island have when you, just by your uninhabited you saint, crazy shit, you're laughing at you now worded. My seeming All right now am I stephen likeable. Will you just you a hundred per cent and it's all common idea than theirs? They start when you go back and forth and you feel that excitement or their type- but I want to say, bye and you know you get all keyed up, I love that and I look at my watch my thugs three in the morning. Does it we ve been talking for five hours, so I love that that makes it time fly by also, I bought a speed of self driving cars. I bought a nineteen. Seventy three Bmw car,

Its classic and it's stick shift in its grizzly and greedy and rusty, and it's a bucket of bolts, but I love driving get a balls yeah. Our way through poets Have you? Have you taken like a long trip anywhere like road trip in your life or with its bmw? Now, whether it is pretty new, but I will it's a new ninety yeah new to me and it just it it. It goes in the face of every thing. We're doing everything is digital. Everything is automated. Everything is hands off everything is delivered and this is the most hands on thing in the world and I am I'll dead man. I got the tec arbiter. I keep an eye on that. May I put the wrong gear and shit. Oh it's about the stall put some gas puts clutch, and it's all just brain power and then stand and focus and all that it is the opposite of tweeting and too staying and watching porn or whatever. So I was me

that in my life, so I bought this car just to have this little exercise. I hope you don't mind, I'm just trying out random questions. I wrote I knew that are currently the like completely insane haven't any big gives. It may happen sprang spray it. Maybe this would be edited down the five minutes. If everyone on earth disappeared, and it was just you left What would your days? Look like would you do as tough as I am already an introvert of work and I'd trudell people mostly like I like a one on one but and all that stuff, so basically unchanged have thats what I to say then that's! The irony is. That would be so sad, not talk to anybody. Sorts is weird bitter sweet thing, but I don't know what I'd do man, I guess it's coming hung over you just go into the primal serve have a motor. I gotta get food anyway I'm horny jirga,

You know you just go yeah you're, not like plan a piano, our or painting a horror at the gym. So I think I will go and urges man. Primal urges find food store. Food. Am I save, make weapons go to build a shelter than I can't get attacked in? I would go all survival mode and then once I may be realised by was safer, not does no wild roaming dogs. I would start exploring and you know, maybe somehow get a vehicle and I would try to expand, and that would be it and maybe a journal exploring to what to try to find new experiences. New life, if there's other, maybe there is another guy up there s always those are the possibility yet hope it may it's a better place. I could live. Let's find that and then moving on, but maybe there's more food over here so yeah the hope would drive me, but it would be bleak and sad and horrible, also so

what we are saying. Is you really want other people to be there, so you can hide from them as the air ass? Well, there are eight It was an item on your bucket list. The you haven't done yet think of something you'd be verbs. If he died and you haven't done while I'm terrified of having kids. You know just cause, I'm a child myself and I am fish and lazy in a way. So kids like this, is your whole life. Now is it you got it not let this thing die, gonna love it. You gotta, raise it. So kids get a shit on me, but I also feel it I dont have a mile. Oh I'll, regret it we've seen so many people like you who are fundamentally and by kids like it's a source. He is. This is the source of like a deep source of happiness, even though you didn't anticipate it yeah, so you, like you pencil, anti of bucket bucky cs year, beyond their ok. I do you have, kids yad were. I want kids,

I won't get married and have kids. I can't I don't like choice, So, in the following way, like I p She devalue scarcity in the power scarcely like I don't like to the modern day in culture is awesome, religious thing, whatever I just like one girl for a long time or the swinging for that always like swing for the fences randomly swing it right now, I'm in europe. Different use of the words were here. What I say you could be clear. You look great your hand. I am yet they muscular. Thank you. You get the job done, you wouldn't leave without an orgasm on her yeah. I just like to about furries alike, to dress up animals. And I just have trouble finding others there. I get series of jet rooms. U yours! my coach for their ok. What are you most afraid of. I guess I'll live life I am always a big

growing up of like wild guys. You know like these teddy roosevelt, who would go out and hotline in like bar fightin guys. I was obsessed with hunter S. Thomson types and look That's what I love about guys like who is a good example like hemingway having it was the mainly as guy he had the rival of the elephant gun and the whisky and the writing and the women and the fifth bites, but the pilgrim. If the other side of that coin is I'm sure he was in a lot of hotel rooms. Weeping I'm sure he was lonely as fuck. I'm sure he had some wicked hangovers. I mean he killed himself, for Christ's sake, so obviously was dealing with something. So the key to me is having this adventurous life living to the fullest, doing crazy shit, scaring yourself, but also not. Killing yourself like also not hating his eyes to party allowed hard. I used the bank gals and does the flip side is like this girl

if you now or you got herpes or you're hung over or your mom is like. Where, where are you, you never call me anymore. You're like oh, I ball. If I let let ties got by bob, I got back. So there's all was desirable side of the party animal, the Keith richards, we don't see is not perfect I mean he's already weird looking but he's party smoke and he's living, but there's another side of that coin and I think the key to life is living that fuckin, crazy, awesome, bad as life and also having some you, no meaning in and a little bit of. What's the word not just not killing yourself, duckling san. Oppressed right is a medium there, a sweet spot that makes sense, yeah served taking big. Leaps and the hemingway grabbing life by the balls. But the same time a crushing the balls, the air for work off her evil knievel? We all know what a bad

fearless all I wanna call do he's, got balls the steel, but he also lived like the back of his life Lucky, you know all bark allowed you're what his legs were made a steel. He couldn't see straight and his dick in work, so You know what I mean you gotta have a balance, but you still want the battle I'm gonna take a little bit of shit for a little bit of fun, but You don't wanna go too hard. Does he had still risky and behind us thomsen, it didn't unwell. Yeah has quite a ride, quite all right. What's act of kindness. We once shown that you will never forget the great great question earlier this year. I just wrote this with the guinea pig you're, the guinea pig right, that's a paper. Okay. This is where, like workshopping questions are alright I'll. Take it day, not your open biking, yeah! This is your version and, let's see

couple ladys in high who were enough to hand job may that was nice. I really appreciate only women know how much that means to us. Like I'm, not a piece of meat or whatever and you're like I know, but if you just give me a hand, job yeah, I would it would make my world it's like telling your kid is smarter, loved, see most people much like a math teacher middle school. That, though, inspired them to get into science, Yet you it's give a shout out to the well that part of that's not the nicest, but I'm just saying that goes a long way there, let's see kindness, that's a great question. I want to give you a good answer. I I got lost when I was like six hours was Roma Dan. I zoned out and went away and next No, I don't know where I am in a neighborhood. This old guy finds me drawing on a lawn somewhere and he goes a guy come inside and he tried to call my parents and nothing came of it eventually. They found me after, like nine hours, cops were there

fbi eyes out their fuckin helicopters, and I guess you know that's nice is all guy took me in for a couple hours and just sat me down and kept me safe at something, oh about venus, my vest date, nanny, very kind. He uh did you hear about this. Now, okay, we had this transvestite nanny, who was like a drag queen, but it was in the nineties. It was weird it was new and my bike got stolen and he my parents like. Oh, what are you going to do? They're, poor kids? You know and he was like fuck atlas, we're going to go with that bike, and I was like these guys in a wig and high heels big black eye. I agree what you gonna. Do you know it's gone and he's like now we're gonna go get it so we got in the van and drove my neighborhood, saw the kids back. What the buying out five street tufts

and he goes out. You want to come out, or should I just do this not like you do up terrify, will you crazy and he got out of the van in full veto? heels and wig, and he went up to these guys and they went off gas. Although bag in all this, yet eight hours, the nineties- and he just Stared at them long enough, they work. I like, I guess, we're gonna fight you now and that's not your bike, And they go, what are you going to do about it and he puts his hand on the middle of the bike and they didn't do anything and he just picked it up. So that's what I thought put the bike over shoulder slid the Van door open through the bike in and we drove off. Somebody stuck up for you yeah, and you know I mean he could have got. I mean they are they're tools: they're gonna, fucking tuned him up two seconds that actually that takes courage. Oh yeah, real courage

and then that the the reason you do and act like that is that makes a kid like you feel like. There's somebody on your side. Some on your side is big, as, I felt a long way. Especially when they have the risk of getting their ass, kicked or their job taken away or whatever it is. Now we're gonna get a philosophical, maybe a little bit emotional Here Would you rather lose all your old memories are never be able to make new ones the tough one, but I go easy answer make new ones. But don't you think all this shitty things happen? You can always someone. Our drivers, white clean as that. Is it memories or is it how every a memory affected me too? I mean that this is a very or they go hand in hand. I think,

reality by memories. You replay them off and you go by Even when you're not a word that you really go. You go back often like that and that change change. The aid change them to sue europe under of the world? Yes, and so the dark you you have brought the hope and the cynicism how about the world so deeply, grounded in the young and the memories the your basically say you re, saw memories. I think you really starting over with. Maybe, the wisdom of how the world works, but not the europe so much your personalities gone. You would really it had been hope, you're coming with change. Maybe you will have a good says a tie me. You have a good sense of like the writing process, maybe but lake now you millions of good points. But let me ask you this: let's say I gotta lake cuomo at my girlfriend

Now I go, I wiped the memory. I keep my all memories. Let's agora, you know that tuscany with the lady. You will remember that when you get to experience in the moment, ok you get to enjoy. Can I look at a photo of it? He s, but. What else is the exact fascinating, its exact the rules of play, simple yes or no other ozga sabre you. Yoga does yeah? So what well, I was gonna say, start new ones, but then I realized I wouldn't be, who I was without them. That's what you're saying so. I guess I'd keep them cause. I am thirty eight. So I've gotten a good chunk out of life, yeah and lesbians. How many years do you have left eye and outright that aids is a better to have loved okay? This question is ridiculous: is it better to have loved and lost or to have never loved at all the the sa?

sounds cliched, but as a question deadly better to loss. So you enjoy the ups and downs through what that's life for sun and rain baby. I kind of like both the whole thing, though the loss everytime you lose Think it really makes you distinctly realise how much you valued it. Yes, I am. I am sad. Like what I'm feeling alone. I'm sitting there alone at home, wish. I could hang out with somebody that the realisation how some people are yeah so the missing the air We will have a lot of that life anymore because we can have we want a media, so the myth. He's gone away, which again drives down the joy of having it So I think you're right, you need both legs.

You have a condition that a terminal condition now, my many years left. Do you think about your mortality is all day every day afraid afraid because its inevitable? So it's more like how going to handle this like the winner is coming, let's stock up on some fuckin nuts, the essential nature of it like the fact that this right ends like what the hell you doing this for like is it your address. Faction cabinet is short term, but like this that there is a presumption there that it kind of goes on forever. I think it s true

We think about the fact that it ends and your brain will shut, shut out or there's some kind of protective like a switch. That just goes off. I mean that's why the stoics, you know, encourage people to meditate on death because it somehow reorganizes your priorities. It helps you like holy shit. This ends make the most of the day. Yes, it's just a nice thing, but Well, you can't quite comprehend. Comprehended thing ends little things you know, people go like we're. Gonna lay over between our flights is on our. What are we to do for an hour it like? We? Would you? do for our you're gonna kill it. It was killed. How are we going to kill this hour? This is part of your life you're. Just trying to get rid of you just trying to kill. It that always blew my mind. Like a bug. You got hit the airport bar, let's get it over with a candy bars sudden and end with bar, but it just

you gotta live. I hate this like. How are we going to burn all the the barden one for fifteen minutes? What are we going to do? What we got fifteen minutes, we got the world's his oyster yeah make the most of the. Unlike the like. You said in modern day: actually the boardrooms the when you're waiting for something that's the does a gift you get to be with your thoughts, tat. Those are the same thought you When you and your death bed there won't be You won't be going tik tok on your death bed. I hope not jeez you'd be alone. Why she maybe you'll, be a sad exists because it will be Like content creation, be like ooh, I'm dying is a bigger can't. I want to be able sure filthy example. The last words I wonder where my lady ass, a good way to like, and the cow the bang up, I liked that way. You know that you ever seen that meme, where the old guy in bed he goes. I wish I had tweeted more

that he dies. It's so true could be the future. What you think is the meaning of life. I believe there is one embryo is brought out there, that there isn't a meaning They were here. We're lucky to be here. I think, there's no! After If there's no heaven, that's that's all shit. We tell ourselves a feel better and I think you gotta just it's like saying what is the matter. Of this food, I made why just the enjoy the food you try to get the money. Thought of it ye you built the food you'll be over prepared it so just get what you can out of it don't die and try to make it last as long as possible. Yet look at our earth six, four billion years old, and life started early on, like, like simple, saw bacterial life, I got one billion years and then a star like having lots of again, of interaction. Eventually this pressure and pray

in a sex lots of sex. Lots of ass, a violence, oh yeah, Erin deal through natural selection is just the whole evolutionary process of of animals that have loved and loss than murder. And gun murdered and that cast off in and somehow led to humans, position were a super busy trying to great things and creating beautify, creating beautiful comedy yeah, just always creating something new feels like its tending doors. Somethin like it's, it's well, not dying. If you die tomorrow, you still have all these hours of pods. So it's kind of your thing, you're cheating, death in a subconscious way, I think. Alright, you know what ernest Becker is, and I've heard the name Book called the now of death. This idea that that, if you dont, acknowledge myself

the girls love it like really yassky nah, I'm just saying you want to bring tolstoy. Does the se russian literature? It's then back to norm, it's good to bring to our cause, because no american has read any russian literature they all appreciate it. If you bring it- and it's not like they're going to ask any legitimate questions because they haven't read it yet, so you can always pretend like you've read it. So it's a little dense. Can we get a short version? Cliff notes? The s or make movie with the you know, ben Stiller, that I that I can just go all this based on what is it a life and death? No, it's so at war and peace or pdf air, Yes, oh are backers theory and there's this whole terror management theory that basically says that, like our terror of death, our fear of death is one of the central creative forces dream, a condition

The reason we're trying to yet she death were trying to delude ourselves that somehow we can become a mortal through our art as why you ve uploading, especially to youtube clear. Thank you. Your special will out live all of human civilization. You think you to pull out, live all right of possession going to morrow that can go way tomorrow, all this can go away. Some truly grateful. Mr Marc, nor that you will spend here very valuable, towels me today, even though it could all go away. This could be the last ever lies and won't you be quite upset this. Spent it ah, yes, your hotel room. What am I hear you like harvey wine stayin here, yeah me up, but now I feel fucked just wait what we are have ready for you after them, I guess as a brother thanks so much for talking to thank you. That was great comedy thanks for listening to this conversation with mark normand, the sport, this podcast, please check out our sponsor.

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