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maize by what everyone been making. If you want to send us when you can set it to hay at cricket dot com, and maybe what he's? Yours entreated me because I'd like to see them too later in the shall we be joined by listeners author, Michael Louis, our friend, brittany, passionate, cunningham and a surprise, special guess and when I say so eyes. I mean it is genuinely a surprise. Travis anyway. So will not tell me who it is, but they do assure me some one I've been asking to have on for a while, so excited about that. But first she's media and the author of I'm fine and other lies and a host of the good for you podcast. Please welcome back to the show my friend we becoming so hello there. Thank you for doing this, and it is my pleasure thanks for asking me. After someone cancel assessment, it was my pleasure I also by the way I just want to know that we need started out trying to do this from her kitchen table in our money on our iphone and then

slowly, we're like well hold on a second, don't you have a podcast recording studio in your home. To mostly it's a nice place, you forgot, you have a fucking podcast studio in it. With Barbara streisand. Why don't you record from the mall? This is about your podcast. I didn't want to bring my brand into your pod and and whitney has graciously agreed to join. She is going to hear these jokes. She is going to decide, they were good or not? She is going to really just adjudicate this whole operation. Ok, let's get into it. What are we on Monday grimes, and you are welcome their baby into the world, naming it ex ash a dash twelve, but its technically pronounced strong password grades great it out, as it is a great job. It's a lie is ancient

I thought you aren't going to say that it was like a tesla license. Plate number. I didn't know where that guy surprised me ruth Bader Ginsburg was hospitalized tuesday night for a goblet infection, but don't worry everybody this eighty six year old woman who spend more time lurking around hospitals in one of those serial killer, nurses is doing just fine, Ruth, better Ginsburg health. like your unanswered email, just this dull, constant twinge of dread. These aren't you bout does is a comment. Does it see. Some moves are not even jokes. I just I think that I'm so emotional about work, better ginsburg. I can't even think about her being in any kind of jeopardy stoop setting for me here's my question: what does she still doing with the gallbladder that is a not a strictly necessary organ that get it her. Heart should not be powering, any extraneous organs

in other words, by the way, I do not believe that it is the day ever comes where she does cross over, which will be a dark day for everyone. It will be like weekend Bernie's, you in that row will just be carrying the body around that she's, fine, she's, fine she's, been here for years, yeah she's, actually she's, actually in I she's actually boardman uranium. In other news. In other news, The first time agent giant hornets, also called murder hornets, have appeared in the united states. Their target, ruth Bayer Ginsburg I honestly. I know it's a good job, but it's ready setting that is europe's we've got gotta move our moving on. That was the last one. I won't we're not going to talk about rpg for even one minute like to hurt me John. I know you like to upset me. I know you like to break my heart, but I just if those if a hornet comes anywhere close to rb jade, I will be even crazier than I normally am about.

Animal agreement setting out of new york subways had there. first planned overnight, shut down since the system opened one hundred and fifteen years ago by morning the rats had set up barricades around most entrances. They ve been waiting for this moment for over a century to the sounds of tiny wardrobes. The rats issued a series of demands, notably stipulating that build a blog will be made for life due to them that human war most subway lines remain closed, but for whatever reason, the g was not impacted and is running on time or close to schedule. I think the joke was. I just think we gotta work on the dilemma. No, I think that's right I think I all I just, I know that at that a joke about the g train only works or people familiar with the g train. But if you are, I can understand it. I think it'll work for people. I think in a word for people, you also just made it too look it was to resolve. It was over written all over it. Instead, I rather like more prosaic just say that I agree with nice idolizing on the care,

I am now I agree. That's a great know. We're gonna use right speeches for the present. We got it not just be a person say at twitter is testing a new feature that tells users of their tweet replies, maybe offensive. This will come as a big shot to twitter users who respond to Anderson coopers, baby announcement with ha ha chug piss. My dude trap insisted on the phrase chug Piss I mean I feel like that's the nicest thing I've seen It was a good while. So I just like big bads, where it lost me, cause it just. It felt a little broad in terms of how nice the comment was, I'm, like, oh, that's, charming, crew filed for bankruptcy this week? And you know what I see a lot of people making fun of J crew, but it's not J crew's fault that every straight guy on earth bought the same gingham shirt shout out.

The gay men who work at J crew and tried their best to steer these boring dressers into more exciting directions. Jake whose phalanx of homosexual store clerks gave these straight guys the tools, the guidance they need it. I know you're eighty four, as like some kind of a punch line and that's just sort of a remark and just that now that felt more or less reading a diary, entry are lacking like the beginning of a ted talk. No, I I I I get the gist of it. I feel as if we can get it down to just to set up an upon shine. Because we really good advice and we need wow. Well, maybe we shouldn't that the late night talk show ran to the real professionals like joggers indicate this week? A federal judge ruled that new york's primary will go forward, as planned after the state attempted to cancel the primary now's, your chance, deval

you're, so now ready for punch lines, because most of these jokes have not had them hours on real ready than those good but it was also a guy you're right, a danger fields, but, like you got in full Can ascending, I like the head I mean is that I am bringing to telling people jokes over a video. I like it, because I can't tell if you're mocking a comedian or mocking yourself like sure who your criticising within. I think that the truth is. I am ironically embracing it and I king the style, I think that I, like a cat skills style, yeah very suited to assume life- are. It is next one in the fall I'll, try to really ham it up here, okay, yeah, I like it cause you also lean forward. You lean in it's very shaky great and I'm interested That's right! It's swear! It's my it's my ethos.

online retailers, including amazon, have launched a campaign to save the postal service a camp to save the postal service? What is this? The trailer for garden state hairs lie on the issue that is anyway. decide weird demo, as anyone who uses the postal service has not seen gardens and anyone whose heard postal service doesn't use the postal service call rank and, as then, and the people that are in the postal service, don't call of the postal service. They call him fan mail. So is there is a lot of confusion going on, but you I feel, like that's a very hipster joke hipster. Punch line mainstream set up good note, but since we straddle both worlds, our I gotta get it, we do that we get it, I can kill and tampa or a park. Try me, I guess, that now that comedies dead and I ll never have actually prove it does I can

and amber such as this also a bit of a journey. I re ready ears. and will begin airing. Six live korean baseball games a week, usually around four or five in the morning, so congrats to the deuce on bare samson lines and the key tigers. You ve got a bunch of new fans who just finish playing fortnight for ten hours straight and need your help winding down as the monster energy drink wears off, and they try to ignore that sickly feeling that comes with going to bed after the sun comes up for no fucking reason colbert's. I think I I tuned out when you said he has Bien. I went out of my body, one hundred sure. Oh I slay I disassociated cause. It was like I had ptsd from being on a date with a straight man, so I got lost, but it's such a smart joke, It's it's very smart, I'm just not loud it had on paper on paper. The

I'm answer there. Can you put it like a fired noises are kinda like Christopher walken impression didn't like it arnold swords into your voice. The whole thing again. What what your belly out and take your shirt offered. Since some thing make something happen? May I think have make it more tail, I'd whistle slide what we gotta tampa up, it's too smart to be funding. Frankly, Last weekend after the stay at home were lifted, hundreds of people flocked to the exotic animal park where netflix documentary tiger king took place picture showed dozens of peace waiting in line to enter the zoo, the majority of them not wearing master social distancing. I guess in the end carole baskin wasn't the murderer. We all were I also does need you to know that I still haven't seen it. I have not seen I dont understand these references. You know that and great joke. I could tell you, haven't seen it when you are telling the drug get going.

I can feel that I know you were watching the leftovers again instead of watching tiger king, that's a great job, President trump also announced that administration will continue to press the supreme court of appeal, the affordable care, actual cost tens of millions to lose health coverage. Despite the ravages of the corona virus, alot of people thought the corona virus was crazy for donating, so much money to the trump inaugural, but now look at it. Just now I was I I guess you know one so fascinating. Every one of these jokes is constructed so differently that you might have to create some kind of signal to put people in trance to let them know when a punchline is coming like what I do. That's all the greater that's. What do you say all the great jokes require a signal, so I'm kind of a signal yet unable no it's time to laugh and now why you may mean squirt let em. No. No. I just like I was ready link. As you know, what the problem is that I was actually learning something. So I was

just trying to I literally I'm just getting the news from you on this next yoke is very tense alright you're gonna, live by the way by the way- and I just want to be clear- our aid apologies to the people of temper, our aid for the. for the short hand, being used in this recording. That's all I want to say about that. I mean we're using use the item with reverent, saying you're. The only people to get common I dont see this, as pejorative at all can think roma. On the other hand, each should Pensacola bond intense and call it killin. Tampa figure me out the department of justice, and else on thursday would be dropping all charges against general Michael flint, former white house officials pled guilty to his crimes. This is a terrible moment in our history, as attorney general bill. Barr destroys the barrier that separated the white house and the department of justice. When asked about the move bill Barr replied I'm the baby gotta love me, you see whitney, he looks

the baby from the showed dinosaurs, not the mamma, you waiting honestly, not on the baby. Gotta love me, as all I've retained, say idle. Remember it. I just worked with some that road on that show back when back when there is such a thing, is television My meeting, that's a great job, Winnie return. in any of that use all of its use of all that's the beauty of this here's, the cool thing, it's a podcast. The stakes are similar now this is the only business left, I disagree. That is, through that of hollywood, is resting on the shoulders of pack ass, any catch whitney on her part. As you can also see, or on the junk brzezinski show whitney cummings. Thank you. So much for doing this does lay light. I love you, but we do want to do what a joy. This was always thanks to you cummings. There was a story this week that I really want to make sure we talked about and here to talk about it with us. She

Activists, MSNBC contributor, co, founder of campaigns, euro and the coast of cricket media's podcast pod, save the people, brittany pack, net cunningham, page brittany, thanksgiving time to talk me this morning. This week the murder of an innocent man named Ahmad Aubrey became a national story breaking through even our collective cover, it only focus armoury twenty five year old black man was jogging in georgia when he was chased and murdered by a white, father and son. The crime took place two months ago, but became national news this week. Only after the family release footage of the brutal killing I took the family reliving the trauma of their son's murder, making this public to shake the system into action. What was your reaction to that? If I'm totally honest in a way that can't be on television. It was the same shit and indifferent day. I am never surprised,

an unending lee frustrated by the fact that it requires the widespread viewing of black death for people to care and people have in making the correct point that the arrests of the mic Michael's were made, not because the police and the da's the video, but because we saw the video I'm. So it is not enough, unfortunately, simply to have video footage, because there was video footage of aragon are being killed and his color walked away free. It is not enough for the police to see that footage, because there is plenty of body pamphlet agent, cellphone footage that police of confiscated for their own use is that we have never seen and it is barely enough for a video, this gruesome to go viral just to get the bare minimum, and it's the bare minimum because, like you said it took two months, it's been seventy four days and we are

currently talking on the occasion of what would have been a modern twenty sixth birthday as I am just struck by the fact that in this moment he is known across the country, if not across the globe, for his smile, not for his kindness not for his hobbes, not for the way he made other people feel and not for celebrating his birthday but be as he was gunned down and we had to fight for some. be to do even a little bit about it. So this also happened, as many pointed out on twitter, that most white protesters were marching with assault weapons, menacing state houses, physically harassing police protests. You know I'd. I believe you pointed this out that this is not something that black people are free to do. and it seems that what we go through over and over again is that the reason these white protesters feel safe is that they know that they can come.

Dawn being seen as full fledged people that, where whatever maybe they're going up against the cops because their protesters, or there are are there in defiance of some order, but there's a presumption of their person that there more complex that they are fully fledged people answering, but whether it's this killing weather sean red, whether its countless others that we're seeing and regarded if even the rays of the copse chasing them were involved and that in the moment the person is gone. There is an objectification and dehumanization, and this to me seems to be like the hardest thing to talk about and the hardest thing to change. How do you process that? How do you think about that deeper under

problem. I think that, even though it is one of the most difficult part of the conversation to have, it is the most necessary, because the only way you can subjugated people for generations is to de humanize them, because if you to humanize them thing, you don't have to feel a love of guilt over their incarceration. If you d humanize them, you don't have to feel guilty that the essential workers are disproportionately people that locally. me, you don't have to feel guilty about the fact that homeless, students right now who have no access to virtual learning, disproportionately, our black children. You don't have to feel badly about the fact This system of white supremacy is something All white people benefit from, even if they did not ask for in grain and If you can dehumanize people thoroughly, then you can continue to justify their death, you can continue to put them on try for their own death, when we look at the letter that did

the attorney. Barnhill wrote barnhill, of course, being the second prosecutor to look at the case and he were accused himself. People keep talking about that refusal as if it was voluntary. No Ahmad mother raised hell for weeks to get him to refuse himself because of a conflict of interests, given his views working relationships with the mic Michael's, so he refuses himself but how many videos to recuse himself. He writes a three page letter to explain. in an attempt to influence a case that he now has no jurisdiction over. And what he says on the third page is that quote: Arteries mental health records and prior convictions help explain his apparent aggressive nature and his possible thought pattern to attack. An armed men so in the same sentence that you deem Ahmad arbitrary, not important, valuable or human enough to be able to defend himself

circumstance. You also identify the person that he's fighting as an demand which to me that the only person who is engaged in self defense was not the mic. Michael it was a modern armoury- and here we are actually having this conversation as if that is even a question, you can only have that rotation. If you have dehumanize the person that you are talking about, if that person is nothing but a mental health statistics or crimes: statistic and not an actual human being literally fighting for his life, as unfortunately, too many of us saw on video so I am in this place where I am again never surprised, but deeply pain. My friend earlier said to me, think that as many times as is happening star community, it wouldn't hurt is badly, but it still does. It starts just as badly. If not more as we have been ringing the alarm on this for so long so yeah. I am not floored, but I am, I

hopeful that somebody finally truly gets is not just a matter of bad apples that this is now just a matter of bad people that this is not just a matter of bad circumstances. This is systemic, it is perpetual and it is enough. So I wanna to one last question about this, so you know because this video so unequivocal I think you've seen some of the voices that traditionally have been the most defensive of police, most skeptical of the black lives matter. Movement put on their white gloves and right tweet saying that its correct that there be a prosecution in this case that in this case they ve seen the facts. It is so egregious that it's clean that this young man was was murdered.

But this is a murderer and should be prosecuted, but so often these conversations end up forcing activists, like you many others, to become fact, exports to dive into every piece of fact that you- muster to build your case. To make a larger argument. And oftentimes. You don't have the video that you have here, or you have people use the ambiguity to argue on behalf of the system as it currently exists. What can people listening do? What are you doing to help make sure the conversation stays focused On the larger changes that have to take place, not just in laws but in our culture in the way we think about these issues, you know you bring up such an important point about the twisting that people will do

just to create a narrative that somehow supports their beliefs, and you know we are sitting here talking just a couple of hours after Donald trump got on fox news and said: well, we didn't see the whole video as if there is some justification that could have just occurred thirty seconds before or thirty seconds after, and I just one is to remember right that, whatever you think happens, if you really do believe that there were a series of burglaries happening in this neighbourhood and that a more arbitrary, the proper suspect to chase in a citizens, arrest about that burglary burglary does not carry a death sentence in this country and nobody appointed mig michael's the father or make Michael, the sun judge and jury, but which your point these are the kind of.

parsing, detailed conversations we have to have with people who, frankly, are never going to be satisfied by the truth of living in black skin in america. To your question about what we need to do. What I am doing. I am not spending my time, my energy, my very, very precious energy in this moment on convincing people that it is raining outside who want to blame me for the rain, like I'm not doing that right. going to argue with you that this guy's blue, if you can, when you tell me no, it's red, white and blue and screw you know we're not doing. That is not a good if my time- and I don't owe you that investment- what I am doing is trying to make sure that people think more critically about how a re, traumatize, others, the heart,

truth at this moment is that both took the video going viral to actually ensure that the georgia bureau of investigations actually reopen the case. but at a certain point, once we hit a peak of momentum, it is, for all of us to say. Ok now turned off rightly delete the tweet delete the post step hosting it don't email, it don't text it, because it is the re opening of a very deep four hundred year old world. And every single time? We see that especially when we are scrolling mining around business and seeing it are out of place One of the first things we have to do is take much more critically about how we lift up the name of my arm. We and any and all of the victims of violence who come from marginalize backgrounds. Do we need to be more obsessed with the healing we need to be more?

are obsessed with accountability. We need to be more obsessed with prevention. Then we are the trauma. That's the first thing that we have to do. The second thing that we have to do is recognised the places where each of us exert influence, and push there. So, instead of coming to me now you I'm saying people instead of coming to me and saying, can you explain this to uncle so and so because he really doesn't get it. Why don't you explain it's uncle so and so you're his nephew years niece. You know how to say he's language far better than I do in the same way that straight sis, gender folks need to be talking to other streets is John. Folks about what it means to truly be a co conspirator, an accomplice of the algae bt community, based on the things that they learn from the folks in that community themselves, it is also the responsibility of people with racial privilege. I e way people to go and gather and talk to other white people.

Periods, our energy in the black community is being spent on healing ourselves protecting our children, loving on one another. I heard my husband so tight yesterday. It is being spent on trying to deal with crises within crises within crises, because, while this is happening, we are also die. From coronavirus virus the dies rates. is a. We are spending our time on things that take oliver energy, that absolutely exhaust us. The very least you can do if you benefit from the same system that killed them on our armoury and left his family without an arrest for seventy four days. The very least you can who is go and gather your folks and make sure that they actually understand the injustices that are at play here and that they get that these are not one offs that this is done we systemic and they have a role to play in ending in brittany, pregnant

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entered, and, let's just say you nerds. First, let's our nerd contestants. Let's You add megan things rejoining asking just tell us a little bit about yourself. What qualifies you for this spelling so my name is megan, I'm from Missouri and an eighth grade. I was one word away from the scripts national spelling bee. where it ironically, waste were to it. It puts them. is in the wrong place. That'll happen that and then in college I guy again second and a philanthropy spelling bee, so I'm just destined to be seconds. I expect this to go about the our next contestant is curly curly. Can you tell us a bit about yourself and what qualifies you for this spelling bee yeah, I'm currently I live in new york and And in ten grade I was logan short group anywhere in that a twenty four, the annual putnam candy spelling bee.

I don't act anymore and I'm not that great itself, so your qualifications, or that you played someone who is good at spelling, cracked, great and made redundant produced play yes, awesome ellen europe who are you, and why are you here? My name is atlanta, I'm from rhode island, which is where I'm currently quarantining, but I usually live in the dc area and I apologise for this binding because in eighth grade of full ten years ago, I computer the national startlingly while how to do not very much but the plant If not, I mean it there. That is the point. That is the point, I will tell you that I have never been a particularly good speller and that in fourth grade I made it to the school wide spelling bee from mrs purposes class on the spelling of the word, I believe anchor, and I was so confident. I knew what how to spell it. I spelled it really quickly and someone else in the class raise their hand and said he didn't say H. He said anne

YO r. I think deep down, I know he's right, but I see, but at the moment I wasn't gonna have my victory taken from me, but then I panicked on the word boundary I just got lost inside of it. Ironically, all right, so I'm into sir we have wilderness. We have three rounds theirs in easy round a medium round in a hard round. Let's see how we do make I'm just gonna start with you. Your first word is fouch. He if ever, have a child. I will name them faulty or child Wait one more thing, one more thing: everybody's! and up? I want to see hands I do not want to see cheating, there's typing that could have and alright megan you're up alright vouch e s, a new c, I don t you got it next word is, for harley stimulus when I am having a hard day, I turned to only fans for stimulus, condemn it

see. I am you how you asked the meal. Ellen up to you, I need to see you're of your hands up when you're, not spelling. I think that that's crazy Ellen. The word is resuming of integrity and the workers recession, reopening bit This will not stop the recession and andrew Yang presidency. Will recession? Are ye, see he s ass? I owe Andrews I said you've got it we're moving onto round to elena I'll start with you. The word is for enjoy your furlough. Please ignore the stock by banks. We used to line our pockets very loud ass. You I owe you g h, furlough, you ve got it curly. Your word is examined. Only true hypochondriacs went out and purchased and exhibitor cimeter see tee. ass. I am I yo r carling

that is incorrect. Megan I'm gonna, throw to you. The word is ox cimeter. The sentence is only true: hypochondriacs went out and purchased an ox amateur accelerator o acts. I n e t e r accelerator. You ve got it, I dont know what happens now. I think we have you have another chance, Carl you're not out yet are in double elimination, double emanation, we're moving on the next word is for meg in it population before bad, it's nicety. Out of an as an inoculation from the terrible news. We read everyday Emily situation, john inoculation, I n, o c You are a tea. I o n inoculation, you got

in some real suspended. Since I was so exciting we're moving on now now we're in it now or in the toughest of tough words carly. It goes to you first, your word is rem. Desi veer, scenting I hope a pharmaceutical company gets you overcharge for rum desert here and not fair for her. It's tough there. we all thank you may thank you ran. Does a beer, r e m, I D, the eye. Yeah. Well, I don't know early, you didn't get it and honestly, I've never judge. spelling bee before, and I hate it. I hate it because here I am watching is unfolds there's nothing. I can do to help you and you got it. long but carly, you know you're out, but I think you should just hang, don't we

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one question wrong run deserve your left, a terrible wreckage behind itself? The next word we will start with whose up who just went I just meant megan went, but it's back to mega because we're snake- and you know we're gone one two to one. You know our. I, your word is epidemic. ology the sentence, Jared kirshner, is a world renowned expert in epidemiology. So I asked we have a degree in public health. I took an upper class when I was in college, though, if I get are you spell bragging similar by adding that wrong. I'm sorry doktor daily more at the genie, ology e p, I d e m I o l o g Y epidemiology. You got it, you got it out over to you. The word is hydroxyl clerk. When sentence can't believe I had to learn how to pronounce hydroxy chloroquine hydroxychloroquine this field,

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it speller on tv. You know what I mean right. I love sandra, oh, but I'm not going to her for surgery. You know what I'm saying: I'd probably still go to sandra for surgery. I would too, I would too. I would too right now. It is time for our final two words: ok, We may end up with a table, see what happens who's up a cannibal number english, you go it alone ok Ellen the word is vesper Mandarin nea sentence, the scientific for murder. Hornets is vesper mandarins. Ok, if its tourism have to specify that there's a space say now, looking good, it s. Palmprint men turanian thee, ass, p m, ay and dna, our eye, and I aim as the mediterranean, You got it, you got it, you got it. Our next is,

four mega movement. This is a now this don't be challenging, and oh I'll, say about it Your word is elon musk Grimes baby name, o god sentence, I have no idea how to pronounce elon musk and rhymes baby name. If I can remember this I believe it is acts the ye oven thing as seventeen with should be seventy one. Apparently. Is that not the end? That's not the end is at the end, you got it wrong. I only want to age while her lips look a judge or you? What did you not I forgot that you have been you know. What ellen we're going over to you are right in europe is you and musk and grimes baby name. Let's see how you do I'd like to say

There is even a sound, currently assistance here, but I'm gonna go up, acts. Eight absent eight twelve, you gotta god at. However, however, due to the two thousand, to an olympic level. Corruption offered by carly shiner. The russian judge will now but but here's what I will say that was impossible. I am declaring I'm. clearing Ellen an meg in the winners of this game, you have done an increase. Double job spelling today, carly I I only wish I had been in the audience for your performance in the putnam county spelling bee. I'll, say is only that I imagine it was. It was a wonderful performance and left people. You know just on their feet up. adding, even if some of the words weren't spelled correctly, you don't I mean, How are you all doing during this work at home corona at home time

but as well as anybody can be properly. How are you now and my partner, and I are both still employed for the time being so we're lucky and megan. How are you? How are you putting that public health is to work? My current job has nothing to do with it anything with colonel by I'm an adolescent hope educator. So all of my sex that programmes are on hold for eight now react. I'm glad that all of my family is safe and healthy. My sister just took her last college finals. Today in my mom's are safe. I'm doing. Okay you're doing great, and I just want to point out that the reason you got the name of elon, musk and grimes is baby spelled wrong is because you did correctly note that grinds herself tweeted reference to the secret airplane at issue and had reverse.

The that this year, the number of their whatever s are whatever it was, and you have our so deep into this issue so deep into this story that you aren't you actually to export for the spelling of the name. So for that I believe we should be applauded, Thank you. Thank you to all three of you for joining the the first annual love it or leave it spelling bee you're all winners in my book, it's really to make up for the cancelled national spelling bee. Thank you having this is basically just as good When we come back when we joined by the author of against them rules and the big short Michael Louis. Don't go anywhere, love it or leave it and more on the wet love it or leave it has brought. You pandora. You can do great things indoors. Second, pickup line. and Pandora thinks they deserve a great soundtrack. Listening to my music on my connected device is one way to make my place feel a little bigger and help me stay connected from mass rock radio for working

age. Already over meditating uneven hipster cocktail hour, radio, my favorite happy hours are no, I haven't channel, who other cocktail hour. Radio yeah Travis is the fucking dj discover the soundtrack to your great indoors and listen to pandora at home, on your smart speakers, tv gaming console and more visit, pandora dot com, slash everywhere, to learn how discover the soundtrack to the great indoors and listen to pandora at home, on your smart speakers, tv gaming console and more visit, pandora dot com, slash everywhere learn how he's the host of the has against the rules and author of the fifth risk money ball and the big short to name a few. Please welcome Michael Louis, hello, John thanks, doing so your current. Hosting the second season of your podcast against the rules this season, you take a look at coaches and the role they play inside and outside of the game

I could tell you so much about so many of my favorite coaches, Steve Kerr What are some of the lessons you ve learned about? What makes for a good coach trust is at the centre of it and it's a tricky process. Getting the trust though we don't really know it's funny. We never, except in the final episode when I get myself coached in something I'm really uncomfortable doing. When I really even approach that question it may accept indirectly, the whole thing starts with story that I wrote some years ago about icicle baseball coach. I had it was a period where that they his four where players were raising the money, to name the school gym for him and like I was coming out everywhere, because people said look, he changed my life. He taught me how to work here you know he made me who I m kind of thing at this. same time. The parents of his current players are trying to get him fired and we're succeeding. It looks like he was about to be fired and it was that kind of question about why a code

Who can work? Such magic was no longer sort allowed to work is magic which got me interested in this subject in the first place, and part of what had happened to him was that his mouth where a little tough, you know it wasn't easy. While those peoples, it wasn't easy to play from all the time and he puts you through a lot, but he came from a place of caring and you sense that and people who let him coach them sense that, but the trust that required to put up with it had gone somewhere. In the interim I mean disadvantaged, and So it was at the beginning of the story, for me is why does that emotion? Why is it so hard now to get there, and but when get there would amazing things happen and that's the sort of other side of the pie cast it. I mean so surprised me with just how widespread coaching is

come and there's so many people call themselves. Coaches now used to be a sports people right, yeah and now you're, looking at like life, coaches and def, coaches and performance coaches, and I mean it's like everywhere, you turn. There are these coaches. The role has really proliferated. At the same time, it is in some ways like threatened. So that's another thing that sort of runs through the story. Do you think something has changed that has meant people are less interested in the kind of coaching requires sacrifice that pushes people in some way that that their told they're not supposed to be pushed anymore. I think, especially with kids. The parents have gotten involved in ways they didn't used to be in vain the life has gotten more front loaded at the idea, Failure when you're young is a more threatening thing or like you, dont make them

intercity or you don't get an a all of a sudden you're not going to get into the good college and you're not going. You know it's like there's these knock on effects that people are imagining and the parents are so highly strung about their kids. A fortunes. That's what's interfered with the coaching model. Is that the parents? Don't let it happen? You do use any lessons in what you're, seeing in what you're learning about what makes a coach a good coach. For politics to see some of the skills carry over in certain politicians or any other kind of lessons you take from that, got it so funny. You say that because I think way to frame the united states right now as a really shadowy, coached team, Is that no really I mean it's sort of like yeah? It's not like. We don't have the players right like we have the players. There's all this talent here and it's the pandemic is just expose this. It's so mismanaged, they have donald trump is like he sort of like the worst of the old coach. Without the best is like Bobby,

he doesn't know what about how you'd ever aiding about basketball. So it sort of like the abusive coach who doesn't take you anywhere good, who just gonna beat you down. That's so the first he's in the pot cast was about freeze- and I kind of thought that season had a spirit, animal and Elizabeth Warren, and I'm almost there but this season has a spirit- am animal in in Joe Biden that the way to frame binds candidacies should be like I'm good catch. Did this he needs help I've, never thought of Elizabeth warrant. As a referee, I do see trump as very, very bad coach, but Your other book, your most recent book, fifth risk you you talk about the helter skelter transition, into the trump administration interests for people who haven't who are familiar? that you know you talk to the chief risk officer at the department of energy and he lays out what he sees is the biggest risks facing as department.

In four of them are what you might expect. They are a lost or stolen nuclear weapon, north korea, IRAN, a cyber attack on our energy grid, and then he says that the fifth risk is programme management. Basically, just the mismanagement of the quota, gideon role of the department of people. We never hear about civil servants doing their job every single day right. Why did you find that so important? What about that conversation lead you to frame basically an entire book around it, there were two things there. One was the fact when I got the fifth risk to me: wasn't just programme management. It took him a long time to get to that and you started thinking the risks that when you asked me that question the risks that pop tomorrow, and their very vivid risks. He realised, and I realise that the risk that was dangerous was sore.

the non vivid one you weren't thinking about are the one that hasn't happened in a long time, though know the one that is being discussed cause, that's not the one being managed, but the mere sort of like existence of these risk officers alerted me to this idea that what is this federal government? I mean it's a bunch of things at once. But among other things, it is a manager of a portfolio existential risks there. So Many of them. You can't list them all, but once you frame it that way and then you're, certainly so you're sort of framing the one of the jobs of the of the president as to manage these asked and then all of a sudden you look at the way. Donald trump is approaching those risks. It's a natural way to think of the story and the question I had once I started frame it. That way was sort of like how's, this guy going to kill me so many different options. You know there's different ways. This can go wrong. But what it seems as though one of the options you mention

is a pandemic? Absolutely true! Absolutely true! One of the roles of the federal government is to be putting in place the processes in the people to be ready for a crisis of this magnitude right. I guess the question then, is donald trump attack of this big apparatus, terrible coach doing chairs like Bobby night. I do know two coaches, I do know do you know about. I is I know Bobby night, as I know Bobby night, as throws chairs, gets, kicked out of game people like that at the time. Right. Don't really understand. Why, because not an athlete, but so so obviously donald trump is a terrible coach. But this clearly runs deeper than that right that that that he may be the proximate cause for a lot of what's gone wrong in the response to this pandemic, but it seems put tromp aside. There is a kind of school erotic. change in the way that our governments functions right now that our enemy

We need to provide test for the senate. The fact that infrastructure projects have incredible cost overruns right. What lessons did you learn or or word surprised you about the ways in which our government now seems unable to prepare for the fifth risk? You know it's a surprise. Me was the indifference of the society to the risk management. That's the big thing. It's a prize me that, like, for example, when dollar it is down from his eye, greece, more symptom than cause, but he's also. Now.

was, but when the man is elected and he fires his entire transition team, so that there is no trend, he's not acknowledging even the possibility of a transfer of knowledge and experience from the previous administration to his administration, that that is greeted by the public is with a shrug. That's just so telling. So the essence of the problem is that the american public doesn't appreciate any more of what his government is supposed to be doing for it. I think maybe that's changing right now. but that's what enables a guy who, like that to assume the office in the spirit in which he assumed the office right, and I think I don't know- I think it It's interesting because I do think you know you see a lot of people direct. At the media and- and I am happy to criticise the I do it all the time it's one of my great passions, but you see a lot of people are being say, and you know the headlines to refer to what trump set as a lie

and this story is an honest about just how bad donald trump is, and you feel in the kind of observer of political news baked into the idea, criticising the media is the notion that I dont on stand. Why, americans don't care about this as much as I do, and I am looking for ways to get people to care that my problem Is ordinary americans people watching the news less closely to me? Don't seem to get what I get right and it seems like that extends to what you're describing that there's this disconnect between. Sins and the gears and functions of the government, and so the question is. Why is that? Yes, I can think of a few obvious reasons, and what is this guy got more complicated. The governments now so complicated, incomprehensible to an ordinary citizen now it should be made comprehensible. I mean I would argue that One of the jobs of the political leaders is to do just that sort of explain in simple terms what it is say again

it could and should be doing during a pandemic. That's one example. So the complexity of the thing is part of the problem, but the the problem is when you have a two party system, one party that is built its mark whole marketing- campaign around attacking the federal enterprise you're, never going to get a clean transmission of information about this enterprise to the public. I think a lot of the blame of it has to be laid at the foot of the republican party and I mean, were paying a big price for forty years rhetoric how you use this tool as it should be used when half the people in charge of funds The tool evaluating the tool explaining the tool to the public have to at least pretend to be high. moreover, the tool, it's a problem. The question is: at what point does the fever bright like at what point does their market open up where a politician likely Democrat

can actually sell the federal government in a positive way, and it just seem to me like this is if this doesn't do it like what will likely thing where you can show people die every day because of this thing we got over here, isn't being used properly, or is it and engaging in in in the a lot of framing a lot it's now I know you said you say that there is some disconnect between the media and the public in that people who are writing. The articles are trying to get the public to care more about something they dont naturally care about, but I can tell my experience with the book that, when you frame it as like this is going to kill you and let me explain why you don't have any trouble getting people's attention all of a sudden that problem starts to go away. So it's not like people, don't want to know it's more like this, the way it's presented to them. I think it is

big deal, I mean look, what people been talking about, the fever breaking in the republican party for a long time? It's almost, I know it's a joke, because you know Barack Obama said it here. We are all these years later Joe Biden said he thought republicans were wake up one day because Joe rosato tromp was gone and yet, in the way two and a half months. We just a whole long democratic, primarily about how in feasible. A universal basic income could be or or medicare for all because they cost a trillion dollars. We just spent two trillion dollars. I know nobody even spell check the fucking thing, so republicans don't have a problem with republicans governing right. They seem to only have one with democrats governing do expect this to have any shift in republic in politics as we move forward hard. No, but the one way you do get the ship is if they lose yeah, they win now, but if they well as they say, they lose the senate in the white house. Well, that's it this is for them, and so in that case I can imagine. The party fracturing absolutely

This obviously already a lot of dissent in the middle of it. So yes, if they lose its fine, they can keep being ineffective Can I imagine a change of sort of like the music that's coming out of the republican party if they lost like yeah. We do understand that these problems need to be solved. There's there are problems that absolutely need to be solved at the federal level and we can't keep kicking this thing around yak. Imagine that, but that's that that wouldn't be first thing that happened. That's down the road along way after many many electoral defeat, if this other road right because had J call me not written a letter, had things gonna slightly different direction right had Hillary Clinton won the election in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, flip thirty thousand votes here and there the republican party would have lost three presidential in a row right they would,

follow the advice of reins previous on their autopsy, and there needs to be more cosmopolitan and diverse, and Marco Rubio would be reigning supreme. We've been in a completely different politics different world. All of what you're saying is this stuff is unpredictable. It's totally unfair all right, so you can imagine it happened. You imagine good things happening to. I would say this, though, that When I was working on the book, I thought some bad gonna happen and he's gonna screw it up. Then we'll see how people feel and some bad happened, and he screwed and everybody understands screwed up now you can try, different story about it, but it can be a very, very hard story. Tell because is it a hurricane hitting new orleans? This is like some go on and on and on for many many many many months, and so

you're not going to able to like bury it in the same way, put it behind you in the same way, if there was ever a hope of, like america bouncing in a different direction and probably the direction you and I would like it to bounce this is it. This is like this is the thing that would happen that would cause it to bounce in that direction for american to to wake up. Yes, absolutely absolutely it's not something that It's happening to someone else now is having everybody and yeah. It's hurting the poor more than the rich, but nobody can get away from it and I think that's sort of the the essential quality of the crisis that moves the duration of it. That will sort of make some big changes. and I'm telling you the way to frame it is this: is a shitty coach, we're very talented with a very shitty code. I love that america will respond at all. We need. We need is a good coach, someone who knows how to organize the team call the plays does right now. This looks like an n coached team

yeah I didn't look, and maybe the coach where I interviewing for replacing this code is a little bit older and me is that even the coach we wanted but he's better so much but better than the current coach yang does have the games play just for starters, that's and which is a replace a start, Michael Louis Thank you so much this such a great conversation, I'm sober honoured that you do the show. I hope you're saying if thats ravening, we come back a surprise gas. hey, don't go anywhere, there's more love it or leave it coming up, love it or leave it. You by simply safe without uncertainty in the world feeling safe at home has never been more important. It's why I want to talk to you about simply safe home security. Simply save has been a supporter of love it or leave it, very long time and for good reason. Simply savers made it easy to finally get comprehensive protection for your home, there's no technician or salesperson that needs to come and disrupt your house. You dont need to pay an outrageous monthly fee or sign up to your contract. You just order online.

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you, a gardening segment. I don't get it The idea for a welcome to Emily's garden, show the Emily garden show remix was sent in by Jacob bloom. If you want to send in it Emily's garden remix, please send it to hey at cricket dot com, hey everybody! It's our friend, Emily heller yeah, hello. Thank you so much for having me back. Don't thank me. I think me Why was actually just being grew, I'm actually just being really gracious. I don't actually want to thank you I'd like to think the public, for the outpouring of demand for this segment. Ok, I think the elephant in the room here is just how insanely popular the segment has begun I think you didn't want me to do the same, and because you think you know more than I do so. I figured this time. I'm gonna, put your knowledge and the test great with a quiz gardening quit.

Ok, I'm going to say a gardening term. Ok, and you have tell me what you think it means I will and I wonder how you I love a quiz, yet and I'll. Tell you if you're right or wrong, and I'm not even gonna, look it up, because I'm that confident that I know more than you even without looking great that's great. I'm glad that that gardening has given you this boost confidence, the one thing we could also Emily that she lack for fucking confidence. Yap adds definitely been told that that's my biggest issue ok gardening quiz, let's find out if europe, need or a weed. I do I want to do. I want to be eradicated, you wanna be a sea. I guess technically, we too have z, so that could be better I don't know my god. You're already running as heirloom was heirloom mean Oh, I know that when someone says heirloom tomato, it means you're getting a kinder oddly shape. To me

We do have variable color, but I don't understand why it's in heirloom. Ok, here's what I think of me. I think it means that like when you take the seeds from it and you planted it'll grow the same plan. isn't that true of all plants now why? Because we medically modify them and we breed them so that the seeds grow something else. I don't really know. Ok, that's one point from me. I think They never do hardening off. Hardening off you haven't you think that means is that when you ve left food out too long in its gardens off develops a bit of a crust. No it's when you take a plant. the greenhouse environment and you let it be exposed to the elements so that it gets like tough. Basically, oh, so it's like god. So it's like what you would do to hothouse flower, yeah yeah

exactly exactly so awfully like that in the end that movie that tim, Alan and Kirsty alley made where they had to go, pretend to be amish yeah. Are they going to witness protection, which is actually not a very realistic depiction of witness protection but go ahead but that they gotta get toughened up? you know or like ma you can there's something way less obscure for an example of someone toughening up man. Three. Now that you ve that occurred to me the failed nine these vehicle for TIM Alan incurs. allie. But you don't even remember the name of question number three bolting. What is bolting mean when you attach of and to the house I know no bolting is when a plant like of a vegetable or something it shoots up to give off. Season starts to flower. before its post. Do I just and any candidate aim work as it tastes, bad? I don't care about gardening. It I just feel like you,

billy humiliating yourself here, and I think it's obvious that your lashing out because talk too big game about how much you know about garden. They never saw that. I dont remember everything that over any moment where I claim to be some sort of an expert on gardening, I feel like I, I mean it's a pod gas. We can just go lesson of the transcripts I feel like you're travis. Will you find some clip of him saying that I feel like we can at least one together, an expert on gardening, an expert on gardening, not an expert on the arm round. Already: ok, what is overwintering overwintering? That is when you whose stay longer here and none of the answer? I have the word jews in them Well, ok! Fine! I mean I, I guess they value. If it was time for a hint k, that's ok, here's your!

I don't question identify what the meaning is of this gardening term: water, water yeah. it's like what is water, let's just sort of have a freewheeling discussion about it. Well, it's odds that two hydrogen molecules, one oxygen molecule: it can be steam, it can be liquid, it can be ice. It can If have the other one is, I have to admit I I didn't think you were going to be able to describe water because it just feels like something that's hard to describe without also using the word water, but you did it actually pretty good I want to thank you for that. you emily heller. I've won the game. I must see you don't win the game. You got out to them wrong. My show. No one's ever lost a game on my show and I've won. I am a gardening expert I am one of I'm one of heller's hell yawns technically this. Say. You're show heller myself with the early isles now

leslie arm. If I have my brother's, this segment will never happen again. This will be the last gardening segment against it. Let's just say, thank god, you you rarely get your brothers. yeah, I don't. I rarely get my that's the challenge. I'm always I'm Do we in search of my brothers yeah, I'm always I'm always saying where my brothers and how can't I have them. If this is the last time we do the same man I feel like. I would be remiss if I didn't answer some of the listener questions that will at last believe it yeah. Ok, I don't understand you getting any questions, but ok, I, a lotta listener questions after the last time I did my show. I also send some free stuff, which is strongly encouraged. People who sent me some free gardening material, not your show segment on segment on my show, okay, but the theme song says Emily's gardening shows so I just feel like

we're getting bogged down in semantics here, gardening shown up by what their acts. There is no smoking, we're not there whose hey, hey we're, what's going on a drug deal is this: we got in there got sponsors on sponsors, let's take some question ok, this is from jen on twitter need today Emily's gardening showed trending love, it needs more grow bag content that actually wasn't question is not a good you're. Just reading a raise your vision of the rise in this one's from Kathy, I love your emily's. Gardening show segment on leather or leave it. Please tell John let it that we want to hear more about those spring vetches and they will not graduate that's just again. You're, locating opulence. I'm, I'm really sorry! I I I I told my in turn to collect some questions and it In that way, there was just only praise at John le

I just want you to know that I really enjoyed the garden segment by Emily heller on love it or leave it this week, and I look forward to hearing it again soon. So I guess it one question would be why I'm I'm gonna sort of interpret some questions in here and a parting guns on gardening and if any wisdom you want to pass along. This episode of Emily's garden show is more about exposing your ignorance. I believe in you. I feel an ex time will be sort of just in terms of the narrative arc of this. The way this segment goes. The next time is can be the time when I give wisdom, but I do I do. I would like to sing the bicycle for Emily's garden show I didn't realize we are following Joseph campbells journey heroes journey I had no idea- and I only discovered it when I found out that this was part of some court sort of

story arc. Where now I've been humility, sort of a narrative. Now I've been humiliated. Yeah I've been laid low by you. Will that presumes that you're, the protagonist which we have not tat was to be the case. I was You will notice that I was hoping you weren't gonna notice that might help the protagonists and yet- and yet I did- and yet- such an obvious he'll turn to assign your employees the task of editing. This show to make you sound, don't martyr, you care a herculean task. very ironic. It would arrive earlier whose journey if they had to do that, damn it listen for them. If you listen at home, did I have to look up Joseph, campbell so that it could be edited in maybe did Emily heller call out the game, because the one think she likes gardening, more than plants is my humiliation, yeah, that's true. That is true Well, let's hear the song emily. Let's hear the goodbye song, ok and you can very

one too, if you why we were listening to Emily's garden, show durden worms and plants. in germs growing plants, is fun for kids It takes a while, but then you smile, and the only source for information is Emily. he's garden, and shall I forgot to talk about my worms this time? Can we talk about a next time, regular still alive? I guess I'd leave, leave the people wanting more age. I am sure that, against my better judgment and my wishes, I will once again be forced to take a journey to Emma s garden. But it's always such a low. We yes as much as I hate to visit I love you. I get to see Emily and worms, I'm gonna, send you pictures of my semi takes me pictures of words emily when we come back. I don't know something.

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