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Wait so gawkers coming back, yet it's and I'm going and I'm taking a break from being a gazed. The comedian podcast should have added a blog, that's interesting. That did your thing. It is true. I do think that there are many valid criticisms of gawker buds What I'm missing voice shore and more so in recent years it spin absence. I can't decide if it I agree, I mean I, I was a huge fan of the old gawker and am very excited to be part of this. There is a part of me, that's like! Is it in voice, or is it that now everyone talks like gawker and literally every single person. The internet actually tweets, as though they are writing forgot, like was the old hocker, so influential that now it's like an awkward to bring it back. I hope not, so I think two things have happened. I think, on the one hand, yeah gawker voice became internet voice rang by it. Adaptation. I think gawker at its worst with just that

voice and just some of that meanness directed not always at the best places or the best people at its best. It was that voice apply It's like real intelligence and incisive ness as criticism, brave of hypocrisy of powerful interests, and I think that aspect of it is kind of missing. It's like yeah style without the substance of it. If that makes sense, we totally I agree, and it also like I mean one thing that our new editor in chief leah finnegan says a lot which is even simpler than that is just that very few publication are funny anymore, like the over urging like tone of even you, no fun blogs and fun culture websites is not real humor. It's like either self righteous during or on the other side of things like really serious stuff were like trying to pass kind of very

pull observations as like, incredibly incisive critique. That has I mean as a comedian that has like help me be like ok, the goal is to be funny and then like Obviously, as with comedy, you know, it's better to punch up and punch down, and so if we can try to do that in the gawker voice, I'll be happy here, and I do think on there is that great essay by Tom spoken spoke on smart on smarter than, I think was on doc right. Yes, yes, I mean that's like truly one of my favorite essays of all time there s a which everybody should read is basically say that their resolve this criticism of kind of snarking internet tone, but snark is the weapon we play against small. You know what smart it's been on a fucking tear god. Smart right now is winning it is winning everywhere. Ere, it is winning on the left, and so there is a need for a rearguard action by snark to come back from behind the it's almost like. We ve gone full circle and like the people there

are where the snark e people there is now smarmy snark, it's like predictable and like stupid, snow that isn't correct like it's, not what go, go is talking about, and so I don't even know what the solution is, that its body, like I'm actually now looking at my books, often like this other book called on bullshit I don't know it's henriette Harry Frankfurt. I can examine irma glasses, but it's like a book about of biofuels. before. I remember that it was a huge moment for me reading that is essentially, and I'm butchering this, but it describes. Bullshit is like the point of like an utterance is not even trying to convince some one of something like it's, not about the substance of what you're saying it's about a general kind of effect. That is what all political and cultural communication, is right now in bullshit, it's that in many ways bullshit is worse than alive, because at least the lie respects the idea of truth right that the lie recognises its trying to get one over on you

in a way that bullshit is in, and there is a reporter who, I think, maybe conservation who right whose name is escaping me right now, who made it put it in the comments. There are no comments that This category earn twenty. Sixteen witches Clinton was sorted as a liar and donald trump assorted as bullshitter, but actually donald trump was a world historic liar. Hillary Clinton was doing kind of criteria in political boost. Red hot raised at times, no more or less so than any other successful politician would yeah. Well, that's also like this lack of perspective. Almost we're like yes bullshit is everywhere, but that can't be the end of your argument because that, yes, everything is bullshit. To some extent I mean I am part bullshitting you right now, because I'm pretending to no more than I do. You know like it's like yeah I've rights. What I do for a living and in its everything is that so I don't know you have to pay that was. But but yes, I mean, when you have someone like from who truly just like destroy

all rules of discourse than yes. It doesn't matter whether your pointing out that something is bullshit are not well anyway. I'm interested gray, I'm interested in I'm interested in this new. What ever turn and conquer? Let's get into it. What are we? a six three decision. On thursday, the supreme court upheld arizona, restrictive voting rules which lower courts are found to be bought. Against minority voters critics of the rule, Fear that this will disproportionately suppress minority votes. Meanwhile fan the ruling are hopeful that this will disproportionately suppress minority that's right. That seems like a pretty self explanatory one. I liked that joke, because normally donald talks about them. Comic ideal? Being a joke rather set up in punch line? Are the same yes and the more similar you can get them the better. It is not that's. That's a good example of that very happy with that. Our wiser work, the chief finance

officer of the trump organization- surrender wow, that did you hear my long island in there now it came back. I've been in new york of in europe for four days, and I said officer alibis over the chief. I need your officer of the trouble innovation surrender to authorities on thursday after he was indicted by a grand jury for a fifteen year scheme to avoid paying taxes. It's a good thing for trumpet tax fraud and evasion are so infrequently associated with more serious crimes. I think that, like the worse kind of resistance tweets are. Ones you tweet in your own heart, yes and Is this moment I was like thinking about this. I just jesting At no evidence, pure speculation, like our I, if I was planning to indict donald trump for a host of crimes. What would I do telegraph that that is something that might becoming no. You would not want that you would not want to have the chaos and noise of a trump indictment to exist before

was indicted. You kind of just want to show up in mar a lago and knock on the door and catch them by surprise, and so I had this pardon me whose little little resistance twitter bought in my mind being like it could happen. It was when they were tongue, but the rush investigation was like impeachment eagle has been released. The supreme court has issued an indictment against us bad and who we hung on the white house steps. That's where my head has been going just for fun shores, because I'm a little bit broken sorry. I know this is the most cliche thing to say, but it is still so hard to keep track. So this specific new story is being indicted and for what the trump organization, is being indicted, the corporation yeah and Alan weissenburg, who is the cfo of the organization? He's not cooperative got it. So it seems our trying to turn up the heat, as it were, basically, I think, we're at the place. Where did off rio's walkin in kind of tilting,

the side rarer saying? He knew that kind of thing drums, fine tis in disorganization is examples he's in morocco, and I just want to say if you're still in line to vote stanley day online as well. If you are still in line from any city to vote in the may, our primary you stand line. Yes, they are our know how many votes there are. There are many of us. There will be no, I was thinking of like what would I, if or had already launched like what would my head lamby today in its truly like. Can anyone tell me, happening with the mayoral race. Like please submit tips, I it's completely. I have no idea what's going on so then Where elections they accidentally included a bunch of mommy ballots in their original count. That's ok! So then they said whoops. He doodle, while there really is the notes, app apology, they did put out of notes, ab apology, saying Their sorry for

the election there sorry about what they set about, bringing the nineties the kind of got all that in there and then they. The count again and then today this is recording this on thursday evening. The board of election said they will, and this is a quote. Maybe- and share results for a host of other elections tomorrow, but they're just not sure, because you know what they say voting in new york. If you can suppress it here, you can suppressing and suppress it anywhere. The trade never have. I more disempower with my voting choices, actually I guess that's not true. I mean I, I guess I have applauded my choices over the past few years, but just simply no excitement in the polls. I think that energy was everyone's really just like throwing their ballot at the person collecting them. Nobody knows what's gonna happen and nobody ashore and anyone who is shore seems to be silly, but it does look like. We went from wow Eric Adams dominated what does that mean for progress?

visit in america re too Catherine garcia is now likely to win, and then like wait, so our takes without subtlety vivacity Adams were not only wrong if Adams did win, but they are overtaken by events because he didn't win now we have come in garcia, requiring new and vastly more subtle takes re, which nobody is interested in. Providing I mean there something about the catholic garcia thing where it's like. Maybe the new york endorsement is a big deal. The andrew Yang thing truly broke my brain because I like to think of myself ass, a pretty savvy media consumer and I really do think like at this point I have been enough times since, like twenty twelve, to understand that, like

there is not real life and somehow they got me with Yang, like somehow. I really was like. This is our biggest hurdle in a way I haven't felt that lake unaware and in a very long time- and it just like snuck up on me- that in fact the real challenge was Adams, and then there was just this like rush at the end to get everyone behind my a wily, I have to say from the beginning, like I read that rebecca traced, her profile of of my awhile, and I thought it was good, but even the tone of that was very much like she's. ok. You know like she'd, checksum boxes policy wise, but we'll see, like a ain't. It was very difficult to get excited for her and it's very funny that she ended up being who people rallied around. You know the the diana morales campaign ate itself yet, which is probably bad for that camp. I think it's always been. Yes, no. Definitely it's definitely bad. I mean that is a whole other which again I thought there. I thought I was being the intelligent one for being like twitter is not real life. Dan morales is not a serious and I don't want to even had a serious candidate, but I was like she's never going to be mayor, like she's, too left wing despite

fact that I may agree with her policies and then I was proven wrong. There goes you started gaining momentum and then the unionization thing happened, and I was like. Oh no. This is not a big enough story to tank her campaign and of course it did so. I think the only thing I've learned is that I truly cannot determine when twitter is or is not real life. But then I wonder too, though, if what you end up with is a ranked choice. Voting system, no one candidate, has built a excited coalition to kind of win. Overall Adams has this big support, but there's lotta concerns from the left. This doran laughed about him for various reasons. The doesn't coalesce around really any figure until late and if and up with someone like gathering garcia, winning a kind of Inter laughed expired inst annotation, commissioner, whose like wants it

smoke cigarette and do org charts like that seems. Ok like maybe that's what ranked choice voting is all about yeah I mean listen first of all the cigarette, despite my, I am a former smoker, I'm a nicorette user, but despite I find it very charming when a politician has flaws that kind of You know it's very aid is to be a smoker at so that I find that charming and there is also a part of me: that's like I'm so pessimistic with new york politics intimacy with any local politics that I'm like ok with assent. And not just that, but I truly I'm already nostalgic for the whatever I went into voting. I truly was like you know, like the first thought. I like. Maybe we should have given the palacio chance loud. The rare advocate Third, the plaza turn anyway. This is this is the official position of the new gawker. By the way is that were actually wazir readily interests. We support garcia, and we supplies you're really got the shortening of the stick. I will say: look

If trends are correct and it turns out, catherine garcia does become. The next mare move on to the general action against adults to become the next mayor of new york. I continue to be a one issue voter, which I still do not understand how she thinks restaurants should not have surprised inspections. That's catherine, garcia is position that he, as you said that in the debate she said in the debate, I keep bringing up a few people have treated at me saying I'm wrong, but that happens and virtually everything right, but I am still concerned about the idea of not having any prize restaurant inspections. I'm hoping she doesn't move forward on that. If she indeed does become just because, beings are people are people, and you say in your toes when there might be a populous quiz. That's all know it's true, etc investigative comedic reporter. I do wonder who's being tipped Who knows about what? What if inspection is coming? Where which

strengthen which communities are like targeted more than other restaurants and other communities, absolutely great and important questions follow the numbers? Follow the money to follow the phone calls investigate, get to the bottom up, make sure it's fair, make sure it's equitable, but surprise people right, that's all I'm saying okay, I mean a little a cop behavior a little bit, but I accept it for the sake of public health. I wish we didn't live in a world where you damn well know that at the inspections friday, some nasty shit may get thrown out thursday. Alright, but that's the world we live in, it's true, it's true. They were stripping mold of the jam at squirrel. Alright, I mean the squirrel thing really hit me hard. I have to tell you, because that was one of my go tos when I was in l a. I still think it's fine might look I. I, the squirrel rule to the polar rule once a place it and found out having a terrible health code. Violation of some sort get in their totally. I was like. I was one of those people who was like doesn't

We just always have like fresh jam, has more that's how you know it's fresh and you just like, take it out and then serve it, and then I kept telling that to people like food people and they kept being like no like. This was worse. Like that's, not how much more jam should have. I say north ryan supreme leader kim jong moon, appeared in public for the first time in about a month having lost a surprising amount of weight. Another proof point My theory that the only people who lost way during the pandemic are genuine. Fucking sociopaths, I love a revenge body. I love abounds back after, let's say so. as a dictator, my lover, reveal. I love a new era, I mean giving us. You know this is art, pup Kim summer. That's right and I think you know I say, Four.

We say the new gawker says good for Kim Jong yeah. I just to just to recap like the new gawker as corporate centrist in its domestic politics. Pro kim jong on in its foreign politics. And so You know if anyone has any follow up questions you can reach me, george. That scenario like got a really fast. New politics over there, that's right or deny gawker I mean this is what they get for: hiring a stand up meeting to be there at her. I'd every I'm excited for us. Oh, it's gonna be green. Ikea announced, this week, that designers had created special love seats inspired by various pride flags to celebrate pride month? once and for all that, no matter your gender identity or sexual orientation love seeds. too small to comfortably nabon. I was just interesting.

I was like a where's that go. You know whatever revolving on the internet for many years. It's very aware that something really makes me feel insane, and this really was it for the last month, like this one, those things that really broke me it we bothered me also that I went and looked at the surface, the love seats and it was wait. These are even these, don't even look like they can be for Like this one's made, a flowers there simply non functional and the flour one was beautiful, but obviously not for sale at looking at the flowers were growing out of it. It looked like a pride version of a couch as if it were a monster from the last of us, does that make sense? Yes, definitely but beautiful. I mean the flour. One was a little annihilation stirring, natalie port men and was very much like they're going into the ether. Whatever was called a hand, suddenly the couch is coming to life. There was one that was more mosey, like the children,

television show it was a non binary as an m one. It was like putting lipstick on a peg like the couch itself, kept being like the simplest possible how'd you could think of, and they just kept like staking things on it like they were. Just writing the word oppression on the cushion I don't know if he may be, one of them could be a longer outrun them could be made EL shape for the bisexual one ending on one side assure on general ones. I just where the other yes, the bisexual love see was, I would say, chilling yeah. It did look kind of monstrous and quite unsettling. Not some you'd want to sit down and look like. If you sat, he could not get back up that it would keep you re in its bisexual grow. Pat was talking about this on your show. Ok, we were through, like criticising corporate pride. Now it's almost hacked to criticise corporate privates. Like yes, everyone agrees that silly, but we also have to do it for a month and now it we're in the dada era of corporate upright advertising. We're like this is just a full on performance link, its nonsensical.

Relations, by definition, really can't be courageous because they don't have any. to fear. Yet they are legal entities. They recognize it is in their interests to stand up on behalf of algae bt people It is true that it was nice when certain into companies recognise that sooner, and I think it is our credit for everything you know what this is actually a market. We need to be paying better mentioned. Do there's some value and I think good in the hat, but that that everybody's doing it it becomes almost like superbowl adds we'll have to kind of outdo one another to find the way to show that there are the most proud that they can be. But of course, all that is aimed at public facing marketing. It's like we got the whole marvel universe. Unlike the gay cat, after an age of vanity war is like a guy. In a therapy session saying I have a boy for ethnic like they're, so little actual gayness like

at its reached, its dada era critique is futile. Basically, we just know that, like for the entire the junior just gonna be like punched in the face. With the rainbow cushions from the bisexual couch, and you just have to deal with that, an app to say thank you and kind of do a little bow, I guess dumbledore is gay jake Jacob here, ailing, transphobia j rolling is like dumbledore gay dumbledore gain and they come out with these principles or whatever they are authentic decanting beasts and where to hunt them whatever it is near and then than now we ve got Jude LA and I don't with the other person is johnny but maybe are they gay together? I am not. I haven't kept up with the harry potter universe, a point that all I know is they have this opportunity to show these gay characters and apparently they're being incredibly oblique about it like barely showing it implying it hinting at it and be like that's a great example of what, like corporate pride, really boils down, You it's, like short, will be pride and what we know the gaze will see. But for the stuff,

everybody. We're gonna, be pretty subtle about it. I do love like that. The one place people truly can success, we organise is to lake pressure corporate entities to lake and align, saying some one has like a mental illness the tv show or such like it just like. If we could take the energy that people are paid, into being like, we need a polly character on the away way into anything else. It would be ass. We live in a completely different world. A caliph couple was fined eighteen thousand dollars after bulldozing at least thirty six protected joshua trees on their property, the mojave desert. Put it another way: it cost aid thousand dollars, plus labor, to clear thirty six joshua trees from your property in the mojave desert. Well, you know the articles are like they were like do not old, but they're like old enough and they seem contrite. They knew what they were fuckin doing. That's right, don't ask formation, beg for forgiveness delay. I will pay a fine. They wanted those joshua trees gone, so they can build some kind of a house

yeah, but don't ask perversion ass for forgiveness, things started to latch onto that. It is one of the most chilling kind of like tech. Now things like I want my first jobs out of college was working for facebook and it was like that, like don't permission, ask for forgiveness and then move fast and break things, and people were like really into those two ideas- and it's like both of those are recipes for disaster like one is literally don't ask for consent and the other one isn't destroy ever had picked and it s not about joshua trees. I mean you know, I'm glad. That's the facebook and you know what they did- that and they broke a bunch of stuff they did, and you know what they did- move fast and break things so mission accomplished there and in fact they too, as for permit. were forgotten. There is book about facebook coming out and set of blurbs on the back. They just put Zuckerberg apologies and really brilliant. Does his endless list of apologies? Former defence secretary rumsfeld. One of the architects of the iraq war has died. He was eighty eight years young, so here is

a real one, is a judge we made about how he's bringing democracy to heller something shore some along those lines. But then I thought okay like who is he in hell with always fun to make a list of three people who now I just always enjoy doing it. I'll give you a few robert dan white joan crawford wow, say it's fun, joan offered. I mean yeah she's, abusive she's out fair. I still don't think she deserves to be kind of like at the cafeteria table with Donald rumsfeld, another where she sits on a little ranking is but she's down there somewhere. No she's got ya. I understand that I mean, I guess, there's no camp exception for hell I can't be like, but I'm a camp. I like you, but I think, but I did we'd like a really really heavy make up on raw But the gaze love me can I got its action in that when faded, away play me. She sat at the front of the table at pepsi, where I do have something as ever: Donald rumsfeld, which a friend of mine remind me of which is that do

you remember or know that he was one of people sexiest man alive in two thousand. To that is That is obviously such a fucking punching I didn't remember that, as you said, I remember, but that is horrible, that is horrible. Just a good thing to keep in mind when people are like we live an unprecedented times. Just remember, Donald rumsfeld was one of people's sexiest mental Ivan two thousand two. There is this moment where he was this door the media and he was like this authentic, wise cracking bureaucrat poets, yeah, and it was part of this miss making that happened after nine eleven which continue. to this day. This idea that, like we were all united as americans, which is alive, we weren't united as americans like unity, was offered, but you had to agree to be conservatives, and it just happened during this period of time, that a lot people in them in the mainstream media and a lot of democrats, said sure we're in will

conservatives and that unity caused some of the worst destruction in the history of this country like we are living in the wreckage of the unity that that created when we decided to unite as conservatives yeah during that period of time and then paint anyone who was at the center as like, essentially a loony lefty yeah. That became like a media trope to like whatever everyone knows, the history of the iraq war. I don't I'm not an expert but like then times was board. Everyone was unwarranted like if you were someone who is dissenting. You were like a crazy professor with, like a red, Two blazer, like you were just like painted as this insane I don't know radical or something, and I think, actually know for all the harm and all the he's in which social media has rightly motts. They're, just wasn't up enough of a kind of voice for the left to have it our politics that I think changed a bit, though you kind of sea parallels and that a lot of the people who were

right about. Iraq have been punished for being right because it was seen as being out of the mainstream when they were right before everybody admitted they were wrong and you sort of seeds thing playing out now with climate change, which is- and I actually talked about this a cold house who, who you can hear the enemy within this, show that his remarkable, like what is, considered the maximum position verses. What is considered moderate when the matter view requires denying reality. Presumably when denying reality. That is when you are the radical right, yes, and I think too, about social media like there is a famous like essay and harpers? That really correctly like analyzed the hypocritical monitoring of the iraq war, there were, like things and other kind of leftist, not to say the harpers electors publication, but in other left, leaning, publications and if there were ways to disseminate that more broadly, like we have now a social media, maybe it would have changed opinion more before it was too late, but

I don't. I was a more gatekeeper. I guess environment robert oppenheimer fatty are buckle, thomas jefferson, we are now I'm like you know when you are faced with such a simple task naming three dead people and suddenly you can't think of anyone who has ever died there. Just three people in how that's all you have to do. Yeah the reason I I like putting thomas jefferson there because he's always on the list of the best presidents there's this new list that came out of the best presidents in there is he's up there in the top. Ten is number seven this year. Sure, but, like Thomas jefferson, is one hundred per cent in hell, but it is controversial thing to say, the thomas jefferson is rotting in how, but then it's like. Well, I, Oh, he read the declaration independence, but he also enslaved children in a facility that made nails all day shot. Presumably, those kids are in Heaven and the kids are in Heaven. Thomas jefferson can't be in Heaven, because you're not going to be in Heaven with your captor wow wow. So it seems, like the logic is ironclad he to be in hell if Heaven exist thomas,

ever seen, can't be in it. What am I missing? George, while you're being very sight seeing the window of you making? This argument is very like podcast, her owns liberal, like you, making this logical argument about how like well if there is good and evil and the good people are in Heaven. The evil person must be now. That's what I I think, but I agree I mean listen. I don't think he's starting to be provocative, but I don't think anyone who own slaves, hopefully is in Heaven. So I think it's a it's a much broader issue, george question, for you yes do you think Heaven is a place where you can keep your secrets or is it a place? people have no secrets way george severest! Thank you. So much for being here you're having made it was a real. It was a real honour. George! Thank you so much that was great when we come back weep a game with a listener based on a new presidential survey that just came out ranking. U s presence

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cold house Eric good to talk to you again, hey yeah. Thanks for having me, I wanted to talk to you. I had seen that you'd launched this new weather service that was trying to make the connection between the daily experience of weather and the reality of climate change, and then, when I saw these stories of what was happening in portland and seattle and then in the pacific, northwest and canada playing out and see? how much of the coverage did connects the weather, the climate. I really wanted to talk to you about it, and so I want to start by just asking: what have you been? thinking, as you ve, been watching. Unprecedented heat obliterate part. Of the world that have never experienced temperatures like this before it's the same kind of thing that happened during the fires last year in california, is just like I hear this current of restoration of like what's happening.

Is it getting worse? Why have we not heard anything about this? What's gonna happen next, like is kid safe. Like should I go outside? How can I die right during this thing. That has never happened before you know, especially in this part of the world. You know this one small mountain town in canada. Now that reached a hundred and twenty one degrees. Yesterday I mean it's like that's: been recorded anywhere in north america, outside of death valley in the desert in arizona, and it's just like something flips in your. rain to where its second, this shouldn't exist? I feel kind of panic. Alongside the com that I'm seeing from folks who are experiencing at first hand like they're, also panicking, I just of one talk about that re like we want to have that conversation of what is, happening. Why is it happening. What's the context for its happening. What's this actual chain

in society that needs to happen to make it stop happening right. And how can we do that One of the challenges has been in the past. There is obviously different between climate and whether that there is a difference between the random. You know the vis the tools of heat waves in and cold spells and climate change? And yet this time? As with the fires, I think last year does feel different how do you think about that now, when, like there is still this caution amongst those who believe in it actual honesty and rigour to say, while we can't attributed entirely to climate change, we believe climate change is a factor had it. How do you think about that distinction between climate and whether really all whether as climate at this it is that a different timescale, even this sort of nice stretch of sunny, whether that we ve been having here in the twin cities, since the beginning of April, like the plants that are

planted on time in theory have all died right like it's just this slow creeping thing until it becomes in your face. Emergency panic, Lena, like we ve had in this place, is so It's just sometimes it's more pronounced than others kind of how I think about a dislike, all of these weather events from a nice day to a cloudy day to a hurricane they're all happening in the context of an entire atmosphere that has fundamentally changed. This is an entirely new climate, especially for folks in the pacific. Northwest, like this just hasn't happened before, on any stretch of timescale that we can talk. You know in the mountains. In California there are giant redwood. Trees, sequoias that our dying that have been there for thousands of years. This tree has survived everything. last few millennia and now there's a drought, that's killing it like this is whether that has been pushed beyond the breaking point

for years and years and years in the accumulated effect of that is now changing, fundamentally the play This is where we live and work, and that is thing that shouldn't really happen on a human timescale, so it kind of takes a little bit our brains to realise that this gradual weirdness, as now put into a different state, your time about what you're trying to do with currently in how you talk about the connections between weather patterns and larger forces in our climate and in our politics and glad to hear you talk about just helping people who take climate change very seriously and want to make a difference in addressing climate change and helping them understand what their seeing put their fear and their worries in context. And give them the language to understand it. How do you beyond that group of people with weather.

That speaks to the reality of climate change in a way to get what you also said, which is helping people figure out how to make structural changes? I genuinely think that we don't have to get beyond those There is a study from a sociologist erica chenoweth at harvard that said that in all nonviolent revolutions of the last century. It just takes a critical mass of three and a half per cent of the population to be out ends active, you know we ve seen that with lives matter. We ve seen that with the youth climate strikes, new zealand was the first country that kind of right before the pandemic switched over into that critical, mass and within a few months, they pass a major climate bell that forced the government consider climate change in all aspects of public life. With the conversations with currently with how I speak about climate change in public you need to sort of say you

a person that is going to make this happen. You knock. Yes, it's a structural problem, but we are part of that. Sure in some ways, and we have a responsibility to get out neighbours essentially out in the street and refusing to cooperate with the system as it is right now, because it's not working for The majority of us we have this extractive economy that is built on fuels really in that reflected, and how we are to. As citizens, and I think that having a more ecological society. That's built on relationships is built on reciprocity. That's built on this. Like family type relationship where we take care of each other. It's maybe like super idealistic and aspirations. But if you look at it from the top down from my climate physics, that's what needs to happen. We need to have extractive economic system in order for

our planet to exist. The hunt the next few decades right, like we can mimic that in our politics, and I think it will go a long ways to getting where we need to go tell me if this is wrong. Over the last say less than a decade, Your view on how bad be climate crisis is, has gotten more pessimistic, but your belief in a critical mass people to change. It has gotten more optimistic, absolutely yeah I think it's kind of weird. You watch me myself about it. As you know, you see designs studies saying like oh yeah, we're screwed. We ve already passed the point of trying to prevent any of this. Now it's kind of dealing with it I feel, like that's radicalizing alot of people at the same time of saying like well, we ve, given up

chance to kind of had the slow, gradual, comfortable switch to a society that preserves all of the inequalities that I don't have to do anything particularly other than just like by different type of car. I think were kind of far beyond that, kind of- gives me a little bit of intellectual comfort to know that in some this act or cable that amendments just do it the way that it needs to be done. Yeah right like I, don't have to say that this is going to be easy, because it's not at this point nothing gonna, be easy really about the rest of our lives. When it comes to climate, the heat waves are gonna, keep getting worse, the storms are gonna, keep getting worse. We ve locked in a few decades of increasing temperatures at this point, Even if we were to go to zero carbon in three years from now, We still have some residual heat from the

atmosphere, that's trapped in the oceans that will be kind of like circulating through the system for decades are centuries, so that is locked in, but we are at this point trying to prevent the sort of like total collapse that mixed slightly we're trying to prevent places where it's already very bad. Like occasionally, you know, there are places in pakistan and parts of the middle east now, where the humidity and heat combined, are such that you can't really walk outside certain days without a risk of dying. Even healthy people like it's got to the point where you're just a man of sweat that you can bring.

In your body isn't enough to cool you down and that's a major red flag to me, like yeah, no I'd say I'd, call that a red flag for sure right, yeah, so and if the projections are like the entire southeast of the? U s me get there by the end of the century. You know, like some of southern europe will become a desert. You know like we may lose all the forests in california, because they'll just be fires that keep going that we can't put out, like that's the kind of stuff that we can still prevent. it's manageable right now, the way it is- and I think that we're starting to get the glimpse of how bad it really really b, and that is enough to like I said, radicalized people. We ve seen the dial change in the last three to four years. I think since the green new deal became like a common parlance like that's. The kind of finally of the solutions that are necessary and were actually talking about it, which is very optimistic to me saying there's this part of the godfather, where Michael sends Robert you ve vegas cause he's not a wartime constantly area, giving

We have enough wartime meteorologists to radicalized the people reporting the weather every single day in cities across the country, where tens of millions of me get their news if you self identifiers that person, please send me an email, because africa, people that I want to be writing. four currently like this is, a weird time, be alive and having relationships in this moment in history, and I think that bringing some kind of like created, energy too. That is kind of how like science, how can a work any more at this point like we ve tried that for fifty years, and I think we have to kind of like hit people where they can relate? I mean that's what film and music and are is about is like making people relate at a spiritual level to what's happening it's kind of. If we need like meteorologists, you know strike force or something like that to come up. There is something mentally knew about it.

Generation growing up with this spectre of destruction on the one side you have progressives who feel guilty Maybe all the time about change, not sure what to do and then the other side. You have this sort of revenge this movement that is rejecting climate change in order to reject those feelings in your right, science is not the answer that the form of climate denial re right once you embrace that fear and that anxiety and that trauma that were experiencing, then you, kind of like grab onto it and figure out what you need to do I think everyone has to become a climate activists, something everyone has to like granola and live in a hut, and that's not what a healthy society looks like it's where we can

see each other again also seeing how a lot of this breakdown by race, like redline neighborhoods, can be up to ten to fifteen degrees. Hotter in heatwaves. In you know you're dealing with sis mc racism, you can't you don't have a whole lot of extra brain power to think about. How can I put in a biplane on my street wranglings, like it distracts away from living your life in a way that you can thrive in? I think that getting to that point where we can imagine that society. You know I, like you said like we were born in this weird moment in history, but were also born at the exactly right time to change it so millennia. Rules and indefinitely Genji are kind of in that in knowledge of like this is my stuff to deal with now. This is my: the world. I didn't do very much to create it, but it is up to me if we're down to like six years left before we tip over tipping by the time my kid reaches like

Junior high right. He just finished kindergarten like that's it. Tangible amount of time, and I know that it's not his job to change, because he's gonna be learning how to do math still yeah, It's gonna be learning how to write a sentence still when this is already kind of over. We are at a very critical moment right now and the next five to eight years, which is why some of the politics does gender, so disappointing I feel like we have this picture of what needs happen and then everyone's acknowledging it and just kind of saying, oh yeah, we'll do it sunday like it has to be now. I just don't understand why that urgency is not there at the higher levels, you'd think after the year we ve been through that the bias towards things actually don't change very much fall away and the expectation

that sensible lies between whatever the two poles established by the parties are would also far. when it's actually We know the problem. There is actually a big consensus on the problem. We know what needs to be done to address it Those solutions are called radical when actually, of course, isn't the most radical a person can do deny reality in order to pursue solutions that will not work for that that is the definition right of radical of radical of extreme you so extreme that you won't acknowledge what needs to be done to solve the problem when the green new deal, when some of the big stick we need to take in the next five to six years are considered radical when they are the consensus view there, that consensus policy options to solve the problem at the scale that we have so my hope right now is when we do this infrastructure deal and we get to the partisan one that that becomes a play

we are debating just how much we need to invest in climate in order to build our society for the future, but yeah right it can all its its russian there is no such thing as to my turn. If we end up getting, huge amount of youth involved, full employment, health care, all the stuff like that will be It is something that we get as far as a bonus. Apparently freight, like apparently like a livable planet, is just like a thing that we can get thrown in as a treat at the end, and what a treatable vickie hold house. Thank you so much check out. Currently there launching newsletters and com, and in cities across the country Eric. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me when we come back I will end on a high note ever back because we all needed this week here it is behind her love, it was afraid even taxes.

I call on the tumor had a week is past begin, particularly sunday that our work as for the people rally in Austin anybody who's kept up with texas politics. This past session knows the despair I have felt over the past six months and how hard it can be to just feel so with all this shit. That's going on in that building, but it was so nice to see so many young people out there slowly the voting rights go around them for the elderly, for minorities for other students, disabled and I feel I hope, knowing that, where the future too, we gonna get that. I fear they see everything you do with you freak hello, levantin main areas kathleen I've been waiting a really long time to share this high. Now, after a crying every week, listening to others I'm from the us, but I've lived in canada since around two thousand and thirteen when the pandemic hit in march two thousand and twenty and the u dot s. Canada border closed

was really scared and unsure of one. I would build to see my family in the. U s again, however, with my first pfizer shop pumping through my veins, I returned home this month after over a year away from my favorite people currently staying with my vaccinated parents, who are two of my best friends, are eating food, drinking lovely wine and debating over what show to watch on any one of their numerous streaming platforms. Just like the good old days, we went a thing on an island and remove my big sister, her heavy two magnificent me says: who have matured and remained brazilian? Throw this shit show of a year and I got my second shot is be considered fully vaccinated in a week or so I feel, like my cup has been felled and the summer's looking really brave. Thank you for ukraine. the space for us to share our big and little winds during this really fucking difficult time. Take care love. It is actually in Indiana my high note

there. I am moving in with my boyfriend this week. It see for simum ever lived with a partner and I m very excited about it, but it's a very big seven, my life, my boyfriend, listen despite our so hopefully he used especially she knows how excited I am for us to start the rest of our lives together. Thank you have a good week by either love it or is there I'm calling from Houston texas, my sign up for the week is that I get to go to value the laughter for a theatre conference where my play is being presented. On find many others find just so excited to go to actual and person theatrical event for the first time, and how long is spent, and not only that, but is in bali, the laughter which is one of the most beautiful places on earth, and we just get to spend a week listening to new play, talking about new, plays and workshops in new place, and I understand, excited and that behind it I just want to share with you. Have a good week

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