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over two amazon music to listen for free on the show. This week we pay tribute to Naomi osaka with a game about the dumb questions. Athletes are forced to answer, and I talk to you. And writer george Zeit in about two sunscreen, and I was really interested in this topic because his a lot of confusing information sunscreen, what we know what we don't know, and it was such a good conversation, I'm so glad we had it, as we had into summers are check that out, but first he is a stand up. The host of the seek treatment park as a writer on the very funny hacks on hbo max, please welcome paragraph pats good to see, thanks. Venier. Thank you. You're hurting me no. I was watching some clips before I came on and I have to say I really love your couch. Oh. Thank you. I really like. I really appreciate that so I just want to say that like up top because they don't want there to be any questions about where I stand, I brigida no problem. You don't want to have that sitting out there as an unknown

now when you feel ass her own way when you feel something you have to let the person now, because we never knowing this life, how long we have an that's actually tattooed on my pubic mound, disconnect ambuscade. It's not it's about a tyrant, just slightly higher, does very slightly. Let's get into it. We had a week degree viewer and set a q and on convention over more they weaken a q and on convention just a thing. We say now that just something that happened, a q and on mention Former national security adviser Michael plan was asked why myanmar style coup can't happen in the? U s- and he said this already flynn later, I'd advocating for violent overthrow of the government in spite of the video footage. So it's just like a classic. He said he said situation

did say it on video. We all saw it and then he said I didn't say it, and so that sort of the controversy and there's no beta resolve it told he says he didn't say he said they have equal way because there equally credible people, you know totally totally and there definitely there's some contradiction there. I think I'm not sure that both those things could be true. I'm sesar tuna tried to wash the keen on doc, but I got almost a little bit too confusing for me. Like I'm gonna go back into it. You know what it is that you know doc. I do. I do I'm a little bit worried that you're be its ocean.

It's the queue and on doc about you and honor you entering enjoining q and on just be careful yet totally totally. It is the keen on doc. But that being said, I think there's a lot of fucked up shut going on in our government, and I believe everything that I read call cocoa in response to voters, suppression efforts across the country and the fact that could talk it's been more prevalent, then you'd want to be really like. You're coup talk to be zero close to it. On tuesday, President Joe Biden announced that he was asking vice president kamel Harris to lead the administrations efforts protect voting rights does a very flattering way of saying calmly. I needed dig through Joe mentions trash and find some blackmail stuff. Just anything we can he's right. There had definitely is feels like one of those things. That's like one year. I got your day job when your bosses

so I have an amazing honour for you, which is that you're gonna be doing a lot more work moving forward and you will be still getting the same amount of money that you got before you. How did you know it's like an extract and an extra tasks? never an honour in my experience. Well as a rule, if something is described as an honour, the honour is the payment right. Like totally you know, it's like this is a real prestigious award. Is there a cash pricing? No! No! That's why it's for you just turn my total, of course, passing any meaningful legislation to protect our democracy will be difficult so long as the filibusters in place enter arizona, senator and reality denier, pearson cinema. She went to texas, where they just try to restrict the right to vote to stand exit, cournand who voted again, the insurrection commission to say this! The reality is that when you have assessed- and that's not working effectively- and I would think that most would agree that the sentence now

particularly well oiled machine right? The way to fix that is to change your behaviour, not to eliminate the rules or change the rules to change her behaviour. The person saying this is a lawmaker literally job is changing rules like that's what you do. There are rules and you like, we should change some of these to make the system worked better, also in a sports, but this we have now the rules, don't change very very often, but that's because for a long time they would try stuff out and when the rule stop working, they did change the rules they they all rose all the time. I don't know that because I don't know their sports, but I do imagine that, like they didn't always have three strikes and nine innings that probably moved around a fair amount. I would assume totally, I think, definitely experimented with like it strikes, and they are like. You know what this is too long. They are like they re based As a bit I mean three, already at the games are very long and I think that they even could they even go down to two. I think

not to be a cinema being your being such I now I'd ever want to come in here and be a cinema, but I'm being a cinema towards you and towards your audience, I even you got what you mean I. What does she sang like she's, saying that, like we don t change, laws mean that change behaviour is like it's very patronising and stupid, which is, I think, a vicious combination to alarm that's like you can be patronising, but you better be pretty smart or you can see. something dom in like a really sweet way. Totally totally campi. Both you just can't be both and You can't have it all. Can in cinema, have it all

yeah I mean, as you know, sometimes, if something is not working, you dont want change the rules you wanna say. Are we doing something? That's wrong and I agree like actually would be nice if the Republicans change their behavior. But one thing I learned from being a person on planet earth for low these many years, not that many there's like I've, just the right amount of years. Totally people actually think it's furious entities which has gone. That's great you saddened me, but it doesn't anymore, but I'm alternately. Okay with that night, I think the key right I am slowly right. The goal is not tat. Look like you. A few years is to really embraced. However many years you have is a greater number of years. You know I recently got Curs feet and they have to SAM link really feeling my power around. I think it's cool, that this was a dependent clause, but I got stuck on feeling old and lost complete control of this totally but but the point I was making, I believe was that like

you're not going to change their behaviour because you ask them, you have to change their incentives and right now, they're incentives are to block everything. One way to stop them from blocking everything. Tat actually make the senate more functional by partisan is removed, their ability to stop everything if they can't stop everything they'll have to work on something, because if you know that you can stop every bill, there is no incentive to participate. But if you know that some of these things are going to get through the machine of a son you're like a imo republic- and I have an idea what if we drilled just like one extra oil up and we'll be like, ok sure you know, by partisanship? and other legislative news president by often republicans a new, even lower figure for his infrastructure built one trillion dollars. His original plan was two trillion dollars. He later loaded to one point: seven trillion dollars republicans are expected to make a counter were endless negotiations until after them in terms that's their respiratory retort, that's their repast to do nothing. How accepted

I come commonplace. Filibustering is so like a low out to me just like it's all of our jobs. To actually do a little bit of work, but we're all gonna angry that we just our we're gonna do anything we can to keep any work from happening for as long as possible is so crazy to me. Yes, we'll shitty system applies to change the fucking rules, kyrgyzstan. Meanwhile, former president trump has decided shudder. His live journal after just twenty nine days, just before the end of the free trial, which I think was pretty smart, his son donjon. Junior is now selling personalized videos of himself on cameo, with a rate of five hundred and two five dollars for a standard, video seven hundred and eighty seven dollars for a video delivered in twenty four hours or, alas, exciting. Oh, my god, I cherish Briefly, what's on cameo and I had to say it's so shust fall, so I I had to get off of it for my own mental health, because you wake up and like all my god do, you have any do today, and so I

he's doing more with that. I love at their embracing kind of like only found culture. They mean might not exactly only funds, but the surrounding entity is yeah, I mean look, people are making fun of don junior, but he is saving up to buy cameo from that, like that to get enough money to get one is jump on cameo. No, he is not on cameo and the truth is that's not what John juniors doing it's actually, because safari companies charge a lot of money. If you want to throw a grenade at a hip. What he's trying to save up to the real expensive boutique, offering an that's? What sex is that we have to get more us into that community of people who throw at rhinos because you shouldn't have to be read, you shouldn't have to be starting broken yours if you just want to export that passionate idea is exactly right like somewhere out there. There is a kid who didn't have the same opportunities it dont junior does right you too.

it didn't grow up in a palace in the sky and that kid it wants to grow up and throw hooker hated it and just announced that there That's their vision. That's been the picture on their mood board from the time that they were let all and now never got tail on. There are yet to come, never got to and tat is not re. It's all right, it's not Meanwhile, our energy chair run around him again threatened to boycott the next presidential debates and less significant changes are made. My only reaction to this is like twenty. Twenty four, like you, are blasting through that to do less like good for you, you had an amazing. I am not that far ahead. You're thinking about twenty twenty, four, that's cool. I have a paralysis around next week. I cannot make any new plans because I haven't written anything dynamite calendar. So I have no idea. What's going to be a conflict, So I love that a law that I celebrate that I think wow. Now

and knows how to use google calendar in a way that I down when they I like to do on Google calendar is make really really long term. That's and put them deep, deep within the calendar to discover years later, like what kind of that's one so embarrassing, but I'll tell you. One of them was, I bet. George w bush is reputation, is not improves twenty headaches. They have to pay reading today, just bets against yourself, one others. Without that, who is that that, with I don't remember, I think it's on I to go back in because its literally now fifteen years old, and then I will pop up and also you owe samir twenty dollars and I'm ok. I have a disease were for some reason. I can't figure out google calendar, like I don't understand, I know I'm sure that it's easy and for some reason I ain't good. As my like one feels like the answer to me. It is like to go to gps and violent. A day. Planner like like they're really organised,

highland had in middle school and like if I can just like right in that with colored pens like it feels like that will solve everything. But I stop like two days. Of course. Of course you do. I mean I I have the same. I had the same impulse. I the same desire. The problem is it still. You hold that plan of yeah. It's not one of those organise kids with the planter. It still you and so like the plan, or does it make you a planner totally the planter help you're a planner, it's like the containers, or you know you don't totally. I walked through that store back when we did that sort of thing, and I just Imagine a better life where, like I knew where things were, and that was cool, that's a cool live. I think I brought this printer and I thought I would be a real

different person after words, and I have to tell you what the rules of time and space when you have a printer, almost identical tat before you have one and not spend a shocking revelation. Let me, though, this EU commitment as you how many times and new life have you thought that stamps would change how good of a person you're that's how I just think stand is the one thing holding me back. I had stems I'm sending. Thank you notes totally. I I've never struggled with their I've. Never even I've never even consider that option and that's how far lofty it seems to me, but I do have that was like a nice pens like. I just think. If I can get Nathan pens and enough nice enough pens at that point, I will be journaling nonstop. I will be rating a novel. I will be making to do list and it's actually honestly torn apart. My relationship to the point where like when we

from with my same sex sexual partner, and we walk by a pen section of a store. I like have a really shiners to get as many as possible, and he knows that I am and he'll be like you can't. Please don't get pens today and I we'd have a huge fights link target about like putting patents back, because we have too many and I get nk everywhere. What did I do this year? Nothing I mean where it had made. Great content may great yeah, but I mean do you feel like you're having a lot of very savvy political views that something to me that's aspiration for a second, I could breathe a newspaper and actual hard newspaper every morning, all drinking coffee, but the kind of coffee words what coffee, but also a glass of orange juice. Like then, I would really know what was being only mean, then I would really a step into my power. That's cool way to start the day. Mandarin,

I don't know, but it seems really amazing. Totally get the paper sit down. Read the paper not feel like doing. That is failing to do the things you are already behind on you know, but it like it feels like a view tommy or someone who did that I would not have a blank I'd like yeah. Of course, thank you of course, so readily. Thank you. So so much now hallam us also this week. The american west is on track for one of the world droughts and centuries with sixty percent of the area facing extreme drought. Candy and this is also known as perfect. Gender reveal, whether they're. Oh, my god, John Greece, junior, who spent thirty five years in a psychiatric hospital after his failed assassination attempt president ronald reagan in nineteen, eighty one is now posting. Love songs on his youtube channel jody fast. responded getting warmer. So I don't know about either these jugs here's the next one and we can decide after

I don't know whether I need to do is create ironic distance or actually cut it from the show here ago. Here's the problem that you show up John hinkley concert and he starts playing the new stuff and you're out their shouting play their heads shoe greg in, I don't know shit. I lay that line that I am. I want everyone listening to know. Obviously riggins already dead right now, there's just a joke. It's just a joke toll emmi and nothing like bringing away anyway you're doing answer. Bringing all wherein us to his death and the gas we can't eraser we now to speak about everyone to look at it. We have to look at it. We have to use our half himself to direct attention towards the fact that died, one time he did die and that he had there was a failed attempt, and that happened,

happened. It was at that we that is at the hilton when they met. I didn't understand till I moved to DC. Is everyone called it? The hinkley hilton? Oh, that's kind of cure. I couldn't believe it. What's we're calling at bay glee, hilton, ok and they have written. That would love. I think it's a silly like how real superstitions get words like if someone gets murdered in a house than the houses like worthless money. It's like that seems a childish to me. think that you're not gonna get murdered a guy. What are the chances that you're gonna get murdered in the same? How someone else, and probably even last seen only mean if anything it should cost more, because he probably there probably won't be another Motor and unanimity has really really good point as a really good point like it. What what are you? What exactly? Are you worried about that, like there's an evil spirit in the house that causes murders grow up, I say: grow up dry up guerrilla, we say corrupted, yeah and but in my view, is that this is bad.

A haunted house is very similar to me to go into your put lay when they were having their troubles, which is no line, sometimes free breeders. attack that way. I didn't know that what we had that, while they went through the period where there had been a few equal lie or other writer, I ran out that they closed and that when they re opened, people were walking in the work that I was here, I would have I way, I'm very always down. This would have take a chance. You know what I mean well, it seems like you may have not known at unlike you walked into in any way and they were like welcome. What are you doing here like I love it here I was like. Why wouldn't be here, and I make no reason. he's had held, and it made me think of the fact that this isn't news, and this isn't politics by any means, but cathy halt and finally has joined their, how they cast over aha size, beverly hills and she's. Ok, the breathing so much life into the franchise that it's like, going so well, and I'm just so happy for her. I'm really glad you,

That is because there's something I've been wanting to try out, which is, I think we need to start calling Glenn green while the real housewife of sub stack because he's a messy virginny lives for drama, and I think that it's important to get into the world. I think that you have to do that, but then I think that we need to find four to six other. sometimes of sub stack and as someone who has written for everyone's eight with me for entries on a substantial, I am willing to be part of the cost of the morocco as some stack wow by the way I'm in this is already a great show total totally we're going to Brazil in washington, state a boat filled with people harassing another boat for displaying gay pride flags burst the flames forcing the people they harassed terrain see them, those bigots, almost became lake bottom

I see that yes, I almost I'll okay, so I'd like a million different mines. It price this. Your pride feels exceptionally almost like controversial within queer spaces, where it's like. I am. I think that I've once upset that browns are in pride now and brands have like rainbow stuff like everyone's like this has not pride and embrowns. How do today- and I am sure I hate grounds but also like theirs- Many like gum front, pacing, videos of comedians, doing impressions of brands being like. I love gay that now I'm starting to feel almost like oppressed by that. Not me in here now. Can't I anti brand, I'm dyin. Take pride, so that's really kind of subversive and not allow people are not there, and I want to know that the first person ever set up on a patent.

But I also agree that, like people were on a boat with pride flag like yeah, they are annoying. We happen to be honest about that, like we have three eyes prides about that too. I too, I totally get the other oh, like I gets into really seeing all sides on this issue now the actual situation is actually being done with eyes about all the time, because not this specific thing, but I know I'm a runner on iran pace going college. Thank you end. So, whenever you're running, there's always people who scream out you from their car that trying to scare you it's a strange thing happened, actually a lot in, so I always have this vision of lake them screaming at me, or something like making fun of me and then crashing, and then I have to keep running by their car and I'm like a happy help. Them pull them out, and I call I am. I quit your phone call and I say their lives and their actually. We were all kind of interior later and

you're asking me how they got into an accident and they look at me. Cuz they're want to tell you know, Elinor, whoever that they actually were screaming and am in this story. Maybe they were like homophobic slurs at me, and I in the last minute, slight and and I make it was an icy rotors. I make it so they don't even have to tell her even and then they learned a little something learn cs, but then they later kind of comes out, but not I didn't want to, but it does come out what really happened in africa. You wanna perfectly satisfying story which you did the right thing, but the world knows the truth totally like I've tried so hard not to let it get up at ever and found out that I am absolutely incredible yeah and he tried to protect those pete like what a person yeah yeah are sent me like I'm not talking about. As I have said what I want to say about it, yeah an animal,

We think I'll say about those people, I forgive them one thousand percent at home, desperate for I hope that happens when David yours crossed. My version of that is that when I was a kid, I had this fantasy that I'd be like some kind of a concert and then the drummer would get sick and the bad and like the leads araby like is anyone out there. A drummer and I'd raise my hand and then idea- and that was my total. Nevertheless, it still not happen that shit number, then I have this fantasy to when time like one time out of my friend and she had run to the car to go on a trip and it was a shabby traverse- and I remember getting in that- and thinking like wow. This is like a nice car lake. I, my parents, lightning kind of need a car right now this fantasy, I'm one of six kids. I this fantasy, where I'm making huge me huge, huge, like comic, end ike mill, I've, millions,

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ever back. Tell us if being verse was a sport if you're looking to kill a few hours. While you slowly give yourself whiplash boy, do we have the game for you this week, naomi Osaka, the bi regional, japanese, american, twenty three year old, all star said, are of law to the french open after her refusal to press result in a fine and a threat from the four grand slams to bar from future tournaments. If she refused to face the international sports media osaka cited her mental health, but are the questions from the sports press really bad. What could they possibly ask that? Could rubber global superstar the wrong way, we'll tell you in a game we like to call? naomi. Oh, my I hate darkening. The here I can try again leave this in. I don't get naomi meum naomi me. Oh my naomi, oh, my I hate talking to me here to endure the game?

in general, we have sabrina high sabrina. I john balance. That was why it was sure was now thank you for being here you're here, because you are a sports writer. You are a sports expert. You also went totally toe on a little quiz show called jeopardy with our producer. Brian Samuel. I favour see, you wipe the floor with him, they said defeats and sabrina said who is Brien's Emel? That's how that's how much of a route it was pleased at it out my various attempts at that joke, but you can leave in me saying that I took various attempts at the joke eminency along. I could do this before, but I turned scammer discuss. This are going to move forward, sabrina, here's how works I'm in a play. You a clip of a wild question posed to an athlete you will have to guess the athlete bonus points if you can remember their response, not forbid him. Just ballpark

sports serena. Do you have any other recollections of the time you defeated mind some on the game, jeopardy I mean just that we were act by the other guy who went to champions good for him but Becker day. I've read a hearty ready. Let's do this corrupt trucks university. Let's roll The first clip my type of parental role. Has he played you and your team, who was that clip asked of curbing corrects now what was carry earnings response? I have father. His name is detrick irving media. You got it hate ivory.

that's is people don't say cairo irving, they just say Tiree right, that's correct, penza! We both got it right in San jose next klett Normally you smile. When you win what's wrong, who was told to smile? I mean it s. A woman said yes, of course, Serena Williams. You got it. It was arena Williams and here, her response, one thirty, I don't want to be perfectly honest with you. Don't want to be here, I want to be in bed right now and after weigh up earlier practice in I don't want to answer these questions and you guys you ask the same question so in our make it a super enjoyable, nicer, nice next clip who was asked this question you're getting a lot of

a lot of the mail and they want to know if you could do. Anyone in the world of sport of movies, I'm sorry they asked me to say this. Who would you died? I know I really before you answer. I really hate the creation of the distance, inside of it, of a targeted efforts? As he's asking the question she's, like I hate when I've big they made me, do they like reallocate? Who was asked that question? Can I get a sport? I would that you could, but unfortunately I dont know way I'm going to what what's it is. So it's it's that okay, I'm out of my depth right euro sportswriter, I am not. I just worthless. Tennis, sport was done, it's ok, you got a lot of directions: I'm not even churches asking women or men sloan, events rag. The answer is eugenie, bouchard, ok and her answer was

justin bieber, french canadian connection. next question yeah sure sure next question it means that the Tobin tax animals as he says that it they must get at them all those actually each divested of authority in one of the combined investigated. The more see any point there was going to do can he and others have seen all, but that it all those of us? With a case, I stated what them ask that question was what kind of instagram photos are you planning to take, while you're here, naomi Osaka, correct, what was they always answer? Oh that's a tricky one. I have no idea it's great. It's great. Do you have I'm not really sure yeah. Maybe maybe

other convenience stores and love that answer. I love that answer. Communion story would have we put a perfect answer, like the region of others. Next clip sabrina. Will the clippers be back here sunday playing a game? Seven response correspond gas now? What was Chris Paul's answer? series, and what kind of question is that you got it? Let's hear his response, why you're feeling about europe of compensate you'll, be back here again, a monitoring june. So nozzle, that's what you're here? Yes, even during this long enough, then gnawing question what knowing question you know I'll say I am what I learned this hearing. Some of these questions is like how much in common it has with sport supporting and political

have a lot in common, but even in political wording, you don't ears of any say like so you're gonna lose are like every that's a little agree. It is more like. Are you worried about how you're doing kind of a deal sabrina next clip who dealt with this interaction? Congratulations, reservations! I lost! You lost all, ok! So what would happen? Who was ass? That question? Who was offered congratulate expert match? They in fact lost it once again sounds like a tennis player. It is eternal, where the photos on the internet are other of a person playing tennis goodenough it now I don't know the doll it was Nicholas ma. Who do you know who corset?

Ozma was nickel ozma, who was it after the ridiculous, like seventy game that set out to put that in the comments, because I'm sorry Next click horse personal, come out of the father and a film you think, it'll be a white play your black to play. So the question: what is the first point it had come out of the closet and the end of the Jews link it who be wasteful error of black player. I fucking love that that is those radipole question. Somebody was asked: do you think it'll be a white fire back as guest the rays of the first national player to come out of the closet, sabrina? Who was asked at last? brain. What was their response? It was not Tom Brady love him to have been asked that I actually interested to see what is what is based doesn't needs as that question, but it was not. It was adrian Petersen and this

his response. Herbert frantic with asia, it could be hispanic could be age. You never know good point adrian good point adrian. This is our behind hoop. Let- and I love this question that question, does reveal who has asked your job is to tell us how he responded? Let's roll the club. back when you say that a year snake, your mom right up here right Syria, would you be willing to suck the venom out to win the title? How is that possible how it a question possible in the world. How do you is your hand at your job. And, as shack, shock shaquille colonial, I remember orlando magic and then some

their teams actually correct member the automatic there. The great bear the pinstripes maleagans drives. I like those. What did jack say in response to this wild question, really know predicting when shack as ever gonna say. Ah I'd do anything for array. Actually incorrect turns out, he won't do anything before a ring. Here's what he said Nowhere will would your wife which is. inside of a metaphor, doesn't make a lot of sense, but we applaud shack for quickly coming up with no, but your wife, it's You didn't need some! It's it's a solid retort. Don't you think it's very well that really impress really impressed sabrina,

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and george thanks for being here thanks for having me, so I'm really glad you. Here. This is a topic. That's been on my mind. america's reopening, and the idea that we can gather and spend time with friends outside this summer is the light at the end of a very long tunnel, but that late is a big nuclear fire in the sky. That does cause cancer, and so the reason I wanted to talk to you is there was this peace in outside magazine a couple of years ago. That basically said son screen is margarine. That something that seems like science is created to overcome nature and that when you actually dig into it like wait, hold on a second nature is smarter and more complicated than we realise. Then there's a bunch of people pushing back and saying that speed. quickly anti back sir stuff for sunset I don't wanna be a sunscreen anti baxter, so you have thought about this. not a lot of work to try to understand the science here that what we need

We don't know about sunscreen, so sunscreen What is it and what does it? Do? Ok, so on screen is usually one or a mix. of many active ingredients and the whole point of it is to try and protect you to some degree from the sun's ultra vires, light which, as you said, we know, causes skin cancer right. The thing Is you don't know? Sunscreen is gonna, be a perfect shield, and that raises this million dollar question, which is: does sunscreen reduce your risk of skin cancer and the best Illegal evidence that we have today suggests that yeah probably does reduce your risk of certain types of skin cancer, but animal to say the word. But like a thousand times today, The best available evidence is one randomize controlled trial. It was conducted, more than twenty years ago with aspects. Sixteen sunscreen that's fairly different than what on the market today in the? U s and the snow

was conducted in Australia, where the sun is trying to kill you all the time. So, all it is to say you know the best evidence. Have today. it's a randomized controlled trail, that's good, but it would be great to have multiple randomize controlled trials with modern sunscreens in places where the sun, it isn't trying to kill you every single day. So we get a fuller understanding of how good sunscreen is at protecting you from skin cancer. We know that this, Yes, you can give you skin cancer and multiple kinds of skin cancer, and then it seems like tell me this is wrong. It there's some evidence that son burns are especially dangerous right that, like sunburns, represent a kind of damage, is more likely to lead to cancer. Is that right? So there has been a lot of work on the link between sunburn and skin cancer, and some people would say exactly what you just said that it represents the kind of damage that you know is visible and hurts, and your body is punishing you for getting too much sun exposed

some people? Some people say that it's actually not the sunburn that directly causes skin cancer. It's just a mom of a massive solar overdose and there's something What's going on that, actually causing the skin cancer, it's very clear that too much sun causes skin cancer. It's less clear. What too much sun actually means re, nor does it mean, like a little over the ideal em out every single day for decades? Does it mean massive concentrated doses when you're at the beach without an umbrella? Does it mean massive, concentrated doses when you're a kid like those details, are still not fully understood? One of the arguments in this peace that was questioning. Sunscreen is you know human beings of around for a long time, and we have these signalling. That is right, and if you get a little bit of sun regularly, you get a tan the same manasseh very quickly. You get a sunburn and we know

that some regular exposure to the sun does good things for us right. Vitamin d is what people talk about, that there are some differences about that, but we do know that there is some evidence that exposure to sun reduces depression, reduces other health conditions right like may help with you know the functioning of your of your heart disease, diabetes, links in of these things. So how do you factor that, in that, like some son exposure, seems to be good right so that the vitamin d thing is an especially fascinating puzzled, because you know It is true, our bodies photo synthesized vitamin d, just like plants, photosynthesis, sugar and its also true that of vitamin d levels, are linked to a lot of bad stuff, heart disease, cancer, etc. So doctors thought okay well, we're commanding the people where all this sunscreen, but that seems to be resulting in lower vitamin d levels. So we should supplement people. We should put people on oral vitamin d- I don't about you but like in high school. I was put on a thousand units of vitamin d weak I've, never gotten the amount of d that I wanted since our

release our there's, no conversation. No doubt we were having a good conversation and I did the ipod touch us continue. I've I'd like to give more dead than I do is We doubt justly has just keep I'm so sorry, europe I'm so sorry for where I let us man Joe. It turns out when you, when you give people d, it does not actually take care of all the bad stuff that we thought it would sums Mr saying exactly what you're saying like? Maybe the sun x You're itself is what's good and it has nothing to do with vitamin d, and so really what we need to do is recommended. People spend the right amount of time in the sun

for every single one of those scientists. You will find like six dermatologists, who will have a heart attack and say you did worsens green every single day of your life. You know, I think the debates not settled yet and I would not be surprised if the answer, depending on where you live like if you live in Australia, your risk of getting skin cancer some time in your life is six hundred percent as high as if you live in england. Now you know dislike. The sky is woven of mist and despair. So it's not like there's a lot of some, but still that is a massive difference, and so you know, I think that particular debate is not settled yet. One other piece of this, too, is around the color of your skin and that that a lot of these tests are done on white skin. Like s p of testing, as you pointed out in your book, is done on on white skin, and there is some evidence that, because skin with more melanin darker tone, skin takes more sunlight to get the positive effects of sun were actually giving people really bad advice

time to basically prevent their body from doing some of these natural processes that even it that that scientists, recognising some small amount, is good bye. Don't I can put a number on it, but the vast majority of research on skin cancer sunscreen. All of that stuff is done, not just I'm on white people but like on super white people write like very, very white people, and there is no good excuse for that other than convenience. Like S, bf testing is done by giving pasty white people sunburns. So you know it's just convenient to give someone a sunburn for whom, easy to get a sunburn and it's easy to measure a sunburn, but we need to do more to understand how sunscreen works on people with darker skin toned. What what the skin cancer risk is on people with darker dogskin tones mean. We understand some of this, so people with darker scan do tend to get fewer sunburns and have a lower incidence of skin cancer.

the key word there is fewer and lower. It doesn't mean zero right and that's kind of resulted in this misconception that if you have darker skin your find it just do whatever you want and like not worry about it and that could make You miss and early diagnosis of skin cancer, which could be a real problem. There also multiple kinds of skin cancer elena runs it my family, And- and so I worry about this- so there's melanoma, which is a deadly incredibly dangerous form of cancer. There's then basal cell carcinoma their squad cell carcinoma. Do we know how the risk of sun exposure shakes out among those cancers does sought? Does the sun tend to increase your risk of some more than others? We have some observational evidence and then we ve got a little

of evidence from the randomized control trial start with the observational evidence, so the basal cell in the square marcel, which are the non melanoma skin cancers. They occur most frequently on your head on your neck and their more common and people who work outdoors than people who work indoors. What that maybe suggests not definitive is that, maybe you know chronic levels of sun exposure, just kind of above the right amount leads to scream the seller. Basal sell cars. Animals melanoma, on the other hand, are much more rare, but they are much more frequently found on your trunk or your thorax or whatever, and your legs and your back, and they are also much more common among office workers like people who work inside than people who work outside the theory is well. Those types of people tend to like go on vacation the beach and roast themselves, two or three days a year, and so that

and of sun exposure is more likely to result in in melanoma. There's again like these. Are observational studies there not we know so little. I wonder why old there's like it big is there any other kind of of of treatment? That is right, mended so unanimously. I feel Georgina. That's what I feel like I feel like you liked dermatologists listening to this and you want to yell at me. I welcome it. I would like to learn more from your perspective I, but like there is that miss commencement that begins with where sunscreen this universal, unequivocal piece of advice, and yet it like there was study in Australia and we checked the backs of of death. Workers once and that is why How is this possible? How is this possible? We don't know the dangers of going outside. You know I don't know and and and and some people would say we don't know the benefits of going outside either right. So I think the recommendation come

really because skin cancer is the most common cancer in the? U S, melanoma is relatively rare, but the other two there's millions of case every year and so dermatologists think o gave us we understand the chemistry of how sunscreen works really well, we know, what's going on in the molecular level its sorting, uv light, so listen like better safe than sorry might as well, where sunscreen but listen. I would love to see a large randomize control trial here in the? U s with modern s, p thirty cents green to like risk of some of these outstanding issues. We ve been sitting on for twenty years. I think it's actually shocking how little we know I mean, on the one hand, science progressing slowly. It takes a while is this twenty year old trial, like the reason it took twenty years is because you have to wait time for melanoma to pop up in people right yeah, but then, on the other hand like why don't we start?

their trial ten years ago. Well, maybe five years ago like when we got the results of this one and it was less than like ironclad. Why don't we start up another trial right? You know millions of cases a year. You know this stuff is sold in every single drugstore and grocery store on the planet. Basically, why don't we have more than one large randomized, controlled trial. I don't get it like. There were more people enrolled in the files are covered trial than there were in the sun screen trial and, like I'm offer covered trials like we need that. That's great! It's amazing that we got forty four thousand people you know enrolled in that trial and that the results are incredible but like if we can do it for the code vaccine, we can do it for some screen given at the The sun tells a lot of people every year to theirs up, there's an epidemic of melanoma and deadly skin cancers every single year gap. One other point that you make in your writings about this is one potential issue is that son screen by preventing sunburns prevents you from getting the little alert from Europe howdy, that's like hey! You go inside. You been now here too long and

they're, just so many different cross effects here that we dont totally understand. How did your behavior change after you started learning about this? Yet so there's three things I do that I did not used to do, or vice versa, The first is. I do not use son screen to overdose on the sun, so I dont purposely put on a bunch of sun screen reapply at multiple times and then go and roast myself on the beach, like this I think there's no world in which that is not bad for you, I think of sunscreen something I'm gonna where, if I need to, in the sun anyway, not something that helps me get more son. The second thing I do is I bought up her sunglasses. I mean you theo, and to your eyes is not great either. So other types of protection- sunglasses, hats, clothes, martinis. You know whatever pick your poison then that the really surprising thing I learned about some screen is that everybody applies it wrong. So if you ve made it through those two things and you get to the point where you really want to put some screen on most people

will rub it into their skin, like moisturize are right at that point it is below you. You know a few layers of skin cells. If it's like you take your umbrella and you put it on the ground and then step inside it and expected to protect you from rain like that is not how you spoke to use sunscreen. What you're supposed to do is gently rub it on your skin and then like step away and wait fifteen minutes for it to dry and bind to your skin to the top layer. Of your skin. That's socks! What are the duchess sucks at what I know my answer? No What happened? What about? spray I dont, even I dont, go further goofy stuff. I love those sprays are out of. Did they were sold me on the spray yeah, so I'm not sure about the sprays. I have mixed feelings. On the one hand, it gonna sprayed on yourself? Then the temptation rub it in is less a their right and so that maybe that's a good thing, but then, on the other hand, that the amount

sunscreen, that they used to calculate the S. Pdf is too milligrams per square. Semi ruskin, which just translate that is affecting right. It's a lot and it feels like you are smothered in butter if you put that amount of of sunscreen on your skin, so it when I'm sprang myself with graham like there's no way this is enough, you know. So I don't know. I don't know what to think about this place yet, but it does work right like that. That's one thing like I know but if I put on a bunch expressed, we have thirty spray it'll prevent sunburn in havana. Sunburn. Do you actually know like? Have you ever tried, sprang half your body and leaving the other half on sprayed, because that's really the only way to know for sure no fair enough. I've never done a controlled experiment. On my on my corpus there, this is. This is not. This is not where I know, but I will say that I have from time to time done what you correctly

we shouldn't do, which is. This is the tool by which I do the roasting. So, like I know, here's what I know for sure I know if I don't put on screen and I go out in the sun for hours, I will be fuck, and I know that I have done that. Having applied sunscreen several times- and I am not yet but but actual, what do you think about this meat or something else you took a long time ago. I received a piece of just conventional wisdom that basically the length of your shadow. when your shadow is longer than you are, the means the sun is at less than forty five degree angle and the razor much less harmful, and so my general philosophy has tried to be. I really dont like using sunscreen and so what I try to do is like if I'm going to go in the sun and get a little bit as on exposure from like you know more than just walking too

over my car or lunch outside will be in the sun. I try to do what they like. You know before ten thirty, after two thirty in that range, whereas where's your head out on that. So that's a classic dermatologist recommendation and I think it makes sense. I mean the uv index, which is to say the like damaging ness of the sons. Uv raise is at its peak in of the day. So I have no objection whatsoever to you. Know you staying out of the sun in the middle and let you know that's probably our ancestors hunted right. We hunted

in the evening very early in the morning, and we spent the middle of the day like glazing around in caves school time, any final thoughts for people listening and who are actually a little bit like horrified by by what is their view that this is anti sunscreen propaganda. You know, even in that that peace in outside that was the most anti sunscreen is a german child. You say use it, they are worried about your skin and they are worried about you getting skin cancer. These are the doctors and they say slathered on protect yourself. It's tough like. I don't think there is a simple answer. Yet if you ve got a family history of skin cancer, if

we're very, very light skinned. I have no problem with using sunscreen as one tool in your protect yourself from the sun arsenal, where I really have an issue with it is what we are talking about before, like don't abuse it to get a bigger dose of sun exposure to me. That seems like the biggest danger to avoid and other than that like. If you could look, you're gonna forget to you're, never gonna be perfect. You're, not gonna, play every single day. You're gonna forget it seems to me that, like in winter, you don't really need to apply it because the son of the sun deviate raise our strong, so like you're you're gonna have imperfect, sunscreen application, maybe you'll end with like forty percent of days where you apply sunscreen, and so you know, that's hedging you're bats. Basically until we get that big randomize controlled trial, all right, thank you so much towards I'd ever being here his book. Would you should check out his car ingredients, the strange chemistry of what we put in us and on us, and thank you so much to georgia Here we come back. It says you were

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