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you're any Harry. You I'm good, I'm good. I tried to take a few days off this week. And then I cannot for a red hot into things yesterday and it It's just amazing to me how you know you just away you're, just gonna try to put it down for a couple of days and there's so much going on. I just watches over you really get plus there the measure on the West Coast. So, unlike I'm, not I'm, never written in good shape, concern the waste goes out lookin, as looking at their team stats yesterday offensives task the Yankees, even so bad and in the Yankees scored circulated. Seven fewest runs in and baseball there like twitter I taught at eleven or something like the Tigris who will forward two hundred to them. Answers all the way. The bottom like a hundred seventy nine or something. Yet the

reaching has been unbelievable. All the things they said. The beginning in the season have completely turned upside down, so everybody thought they would. hit and that after the ground distorting pitching was going to be very thin, especially its in the garden come back, which it looks like you probably want, and the bull pen was It would be a disaster and, as its end, the defence has always been bad as its turned out they haven't hit, starting pitchings been not only great. I mean it's been beyond that the Balkans, but pretty good and the defence has been good. So who knows I mean it's just it's a differ here then you have, I asked whether played a game yep So we have reports that Sir Trop, the Sty people and I can confirm it These reports are true that he is people that he could be stored So when other

Poverty is revealed and Aristotle, Georgia that reply Concenters last will be restored, and obviously there there's in Sydney power publicly is talked about this. She is at this cure non related difference with Michael flat and was asked about this and said you know their any justice in the world. He be restored, there just be a date on August or whatever it isn't. Your ears Obviously, if there's no Charlie Road, very forceful piece about this yesterday were, according on Friday, there's no there's no mechanism for restoration and if this horrible cheated, existed ever revealed? Well then you'd have you known, Piedmont proceedings and all but you would have a restoration. Yet it's all, in fact, were, I think, beginning not that were beginning to see, but were seeing perhaps even more powerfully why Sidney centuries

sued for defamation is taken the position that nothing she says should be taken seriously: yeah anyhow and there she is out proving it I which now and not only that it can be confirmed. The trumpets, say the site. I've read yesterday that Michael, Adele, the pillow guy, the one who's publicly taking credit for the fact that Europe has been telling people the restoration will be in August, because he here he said August. At all. You know it's funny to watch. People speak seriously about something, that's totally farcical, so what he said is by his calculation. He figured the Supreme Court would take this case roughly in July, which is why he said August. So he's like this is a man those bodies like traitor- China, rationally figure out what the young, the restoration Data's and the

even that part of the story tells you how knotty this is because these ideas that the Supreme Court, which, by the way of course, wouldn't take any cases before the election of much less after the election, that the supreme work is going to restore trust to power and you don't even if they were inclined to do that, which I think we can. We can pretty safely say. They're not inclined to get within a million miles of this message me. They ve made that pretty clear but there's no. As you just said, there is no and destroy joys. Peace on this was great. There is now mechanism for this whatsoever, there's no court of restoration of or there's no court instalment of somebody to public office and its its remarkable.

me that I won't say the so much about president drop, I mean, I think he he too often gets a break and I've given it to myself. say he's not a lawyer and there's a lot of things he doesn't get because you know look, you was the president. It states, even if you're, not a lawyer, gotta lotta lawyers working for you, so there's no used, not to know sort of basic things about the law, but a lot of people who are supporters of president trumps, you described themselves as constitutional lists and what I find Most maddening about this whole stop the steel bit is that their their premise is that the federal government has the power to reject

the states election results and change the outcome of the election, That actually is behind most of the inn entity that happened on January. Sixty idea that the federal government has this power that the federal government simply doesn't have, and you would think that a bunch of self described Institutionalists would understand that in this system and we wouldn't have a constitutional government, were this not the case, the state are sovereign when it comes to the elections and their electoral votes even all these months after January Six- and I think this is probably because it some its I've convenient shorthand to speak this way, but everybody talks about January six, this being the proceeding in which the Congress in conjecture

with the vice president certifies the result of the election, and that simply is not true and it's actually importantly, not true, and if something we probably should push back on, because it gets said So often the only thing the federal government does in that January. Six proceeding is completely ministerial. They count the votes by the time they count. The bone The votes have long since been certified by the states. The only time, historically that this that the federal government has anything to say about this, when you have the unusual situation, which has happened a few times upset certifying more than one slight of electors, but if the state has only if each state has only certified ones

weight of electors and those of the electors that they send to work, the two with those of the votes that basin to Washington or Washington gets to do is can't about their net, certifying anything mistakes? already done that. So this whole idea from the get go this whole idea that you know. Hence or pence in conjunction with the wood Congress. somehow had the power to reject the states, sovereign certification of their electoral votes, with the idea that they, We then send me election back to the state legislatures, which would then this way

guard state law and substitute their judgment for the popular election that was held in the state I mean adjust. It is madness. Pop piled on top of madness. Pilots have a madness, and yet that's that's what this whole proceeds from yeah. So we also have some other post game action with guarded twenty January sex have couple Democrats bringing a lawsuit trump violated, the eighteen, seventy one Klux Clan ACT by conspiring by forces, threats and intimidation? U S official some discharge being their official duties yeah. So I think it. This is like a tool

between two sides to see yeah. You know which can be more idiotic desert with lawsuits that abroad by Benny Thomson, which his lawsuits now been brought by a has been joined by a number of Democrats in the house and then swore well Eric swore well, who is one of the impeachment managers? But I guess when it in their efforts to in the Democrats effort to kind of launder him through the controversy he was involved in connection with the chinese intelligence agent he was He was put on the yet the team to duly impeachment, so they thought about

brought these suits, and I think bridge if I were a federal judge, my head would probably explode with with this, because it abundantly clear that this is just political messaging. They don't actually think that their lawsuits are going to come to anything it being, possible to think that they that they think that they ve obviously labored reading these complaints to put out the young the insurrection narrative and its clearly. Continuation of what the Democrats political messaging is about about Trump and about January sex. But there's no evidence in the lawsuit to make out the claim that that they are making. So what you have is members of Congress

that are using the? U S district court in order to promote their political messaging, which you would think would be the kind of thing that will make a judge just dumb, absolutely beside himself or or herself. The coup Klux Clan ACT is a is a reconstruction are you and what it what its aim that is actual use of force in order to prevent either people from bomb.

Conducting what their official duties are. There are other aspects of the Civil Rights act that the talk about the use of force to intimidate people from Ex exercising their federal rights, but across the board. What whatever aspect of this you're dealing with the at the element that always has to be proved is force that it's either you they have a use of force or contemplation of force. So you don't. Obviously the problem that these suits have is, to the extent that there was a use of force at the cap at all. They have to show that President Trump conspired at it, and so they have

proof problem in the sense that they don't have any evidence of any direct conspiracy or direction by Trump to the people who are implicated in the use of force at the capital, as opposed to say the euro. The hundreds, if not thousands, of people who marched down to the capital with the idea of a protesting, the outcome of the election. So you have the proof problem and then the other thing that you have, of course, is the first amendment issue, which is you always have to separate out what the political be the appropriate protect the political speeches from the promotion of violence and what these suits do in its. Should we kind of embarrassing the way they do it rich because they they have these clothes in the complaint from

from and then you know that there are. There are places where they either cut a certain so offered stock that Dotard some, but what they, They leave out is where troops as peaceable you don't whether free we got out, and you know, in a normal trial. What would happen if you get lawyers try to do this kind of stuff all the time and I used to you know, sometimes you can wait until it's your turn to speak, but what I used to like to do, and people did I like this is: I would make an objection under Rob the what's not as a rule of command. Witness in the federal rules of evidence which says that whenever you're, using a document and your presenting it to the fact finder you're not allowed to pass it so that you leave out something that, in fairness, has to be considered with the port that you're readings. I always thought it was fun to let them do that sort of

and then make them read the port they didn't want to read and from the jury that it usually a good way to go about. But this is just I mean it's just embarrassing to have you know these kinds of clay debate, I mean these guys know that you know it One thing to say why should criticise would happen on January sex and I think we ve been pretty clear about that at national review. I think, individually among us and and collectively among us that what happened on January six was very bad that those of us who said it was impossible, You know we had a lot of good reasons for saying that, but there is a big difference between saying that what was What happened was very bad and that what were trunk did was command violence when

fact get out. He may have been irresponsible in his rhetoric, which it this was, but the particularly agree just Sir example of that, but there's no evidence study that that he wanted anybody to get hurt or injured what that he directed people to do that, and there is no evidence that at the moment at least you know, there's been lots and lots of people been charged in federal court with very things, there hasn't been a single person who's been charged in conjunction with tromp. He hasn't been named as an unindicted co. Conspirator. In any case, that's been right by the Justice Department. So far, Most of the charges at the Justice Department Help have brought all involve interfere.

with congressional proceedings and being in a place that you weren't lawfully allowed to be. There's been no seditious conspiracy charges today there's been no, but you know nothing along the lines of the terrorism charge, even though that that has become part of the Democrats, rhetoric but I think it's very telling that, despite the fact that scores of people have been charged, there has not been any charges brought by the Justice Department that implicated. President Trump in anything criminal and in what for these these lawsuits to have any chance you would have to. able to show that there was some connection between Trump and beyond. During a violence, and the just isn't said yet may take Andy's some subverting. The partners right complain about the treatment of the the riders solitary confinement. Are there things like that? Do you think that,

there it these folks are being treated more harshly than they would otherwise. You know they committed this advance. It did was conscious day, capital say rather than being involved and in this particular said that had garner, so much attention had such consequences. I do think that the Justice Department is treating these people consistently with the democratic messaging that there be equivalent of not only terrorists, but the most profound terrorist threat that the country currently faces most of these people? They should have been left out on bail their organs, you're out. Many of them are going to be looking at some jail time, but you ve had instances rich of people will know who at least say will have to see how the evidence in the trials come out

they at least say they never even made it into the capital or their defences that by the time they came into the cabin the security people would just waving people in, and then they were wandering around inside. If you, like What happened in the capital need to compare this to a terrorist attack is frivolous because you don't there was. It was so little damage to the capital relative speaking if you're gonna compared to terrorist attack, the Congress was able to reconvene that night once that you know a few hours got them and they spent more time going through the place to clear it, to make sure that nobody who wasn't supposed to be there was there any more than they did having to repair anything that you know that was destroyed. Nothing was really does So you don't I'm not saying it's there's a big difference we are saying that people should get bail and that their innocent are most people Sometimes we should get bail, I mean,

In most cases, if a person either not a risk of flight or not a danger to the, community that person gets bail. When that happens, in the vast majority of cases in a lot of these cases. These people have been detained for weeks. on the ground that they are a terrorist threat to the United States, and the only way I can rationalized. That is, that the Justice Department he's not only acting in a way that is consistent with democratic messaging about January sex. It's its consistent Merrick, garlands, democratic messaging. About January, six garland has testified at least twice In the Senate

along the lines of saying that January, six was, in his experience, the most profound threat to our democracy that he has ever encountered, either as a Justice department, official or a federal judge. We after the pike. Yes, I think, a couple of weeks ago about how absurd that assertion is coming from garland who not only I got no garland when he was a ranking official in the court of Justice Portman, and I was prosecuting terrorism cases, which is why I had to have contact with them. But he personally supervised the owl Homer city prosecution in which the court was destroyed and nearly a hundred and seventy people were killed. So you need to compare, What happened on January? You can say that January six was a disgrace

abomination on our system and its something. That's gonna cost us for a long time before as our assumption will always have a peaceful transition of power is no longer the same assumption that it was before that date and that's a real blight on trumps recorded on the record of the people who Balkans. So I'm not minimizing this at all. I particularly appreciate, as we all do, how singularly that american tradition, how powerful that american tradition is in forging what our modern idea of proper governance is. In the end, the transition of power is so have lost out or even to have it. Degraded is no small thing, but to compare that to a terrorist attack is just that. I mean it's it's it's frivolous and I think people are quite right to complain that,

What are these people who have not been charged with terrorism type offences who haven't really been charged with offences? That are all that? terribly serious to have them detained for weeks and and treated as if they were as if they were terrorists. I can't see any reason for rich other than the fact that this is this is the Subject their running within their running, their government administration in a matter that is consistent with that messaging. There are already a number of federal judges who are having a problem with it. Ok, so, let's hit another big things going on is read somewhere attacks. We had one on cloning: pipeline. Several weeks ago now we have one that targeted J B ass. This a meat processor shoot me processor, affecting facilities all over the place and the price of meat is, is going up, and we have crystal

request for re saying that this is a challenge, are on a par with September. Eleven till they think people kind of distorting his his remarkable work, which we make of others, ran somewhere threat yeah, I think, richness, direct array has a young has a propensity to say things that are true but say them in a way that their easily distorted. I mean the last time I think we visited something re said it was. He was in some kind of water for saying that dumb Anti far was just an idea, rather than of a girl. And when you look closely at what he said, that's really got what he said. What he said was that it was more akin to an ideology, then a settled organization and for those of us who have been united, who have worked on that tourism or the counter terrorism signed the street. I found what he said,

that on that occasion to be welcome, because for years my complaint has been that, for example, the Bob administration would not come to grips with the ideology behind the violence. To hear the FBI Finally say we: after what you did he ology? I thought was welcome but you don't re has this way. I dont know if you can say he's phrasing things in a way that speed bitter that there is distorted or baby people just haven't, infirmity side to report it that way, but what he said Here was that these ransom. Where attacks are my It makes him mindful of nine eleven either. I don't have the direct quote in front of me, but he was not saying any particular ransom where attack as bad as the ones we ve had have been so for he's, not saying that, it was a nine eleven scale event. He's saying, is that

This challenge, and it's a very it's much. Up challenge, even in the last year I mean we ve had, We ve had many more of these in twenty twenty one. Then we didn't twenty two and in twenty twenty we had a concerning number of them, the amount of damage is now in the in the billions of dollars. ah, and no amount of ransom that's been paid. A lot of it is all under the radar, because people don't want to be public about the fact that their paying ransoms to these outfits, but what talking about hundreds of millions of dollars, at least that have been that have been paid and from raise perspective. There is not an easy way to address this. The fact that its now more audacious- and yet people are paying ransoms rather than governments. We

in a serious way can only encourage more of this and its law terrorism. It's like a dressing table in the sense that it looks like allotted activity is trained on us from outside the United States, so were asked ouch. It's like the FBI to investigate things jarred being launched in places where the right of our agencies doesn't run, you know, they're, not they can't conduct law enforcement operations like they can conduct here and they have. The have working relationships with other countries which are and always particularly cooperative, we get that all the time in in terror and were certainly getting it here,

in many ways cyber attacks like these are like terrorism attacks in the sense that terrorism international terrorism, in particular kind of levels out the playing field, between or the battlefield between, Europe, a ball of of terrorists and a superpower, because, as a threat, competitor in these kinds of situations in these kinds of attacks. The things that make a superpower superpower are uneasy to bring to bear against the enemy, whereas because the enemy disregards. all of the norms of warfare, dick it they are able to come to carry out atrocious attacks beyond the scale of what you would think, they'd be able

projecting the way a power. This is similar in the sense that these are very difficult, Operations to investigate the Europe, these are outfits that tab in terms of their competence there, cyber competence there often able to stay a step ahead of our government, particularly because, again, overseas and not as easy to investigate soda present a lot of the same problems that the terrorism does and what I'm worried about. What this rich is. I dont see, I don't see anything I don't see a breakthrough on the horizon. That puts a stop to this.

The contrary, what I see is that it seems to be a successful strategy and the more that unites the kind of success that will breed on itself much like rug, but in fact, I think more so than terrorism did because to carry out. A big terrorist attack is a logistical challenge for the terrorists organization, whereas ticket these attacks seem to be much easier for the outfits, better doing them to carry out the only way, I think that you effectively police. This is. Get the cooperation of the countries where its occurring then, even that isn't it isn't a sure thing, but it, but at least it did It gives you a shot, and I think.

this will run. This runs directly into a real problem. That we have strategically with Russia in that there's a divide in our country in our government, and this is not just a Democrat. I think it's worse and democratic administration than a republican administrations. But you had even in reply look at administrations. You have a strong contingent of people think that the russian regime can be brought into the fold. by being treated as a normal country that has interests that with the United States and would be willing to work with us, and you get you heard that kind of rhetoric from the Bush administration. You heard from a lot of people in the in the trumpet ministrations, and I think we just need to come to grips with the idea that Russia's a hoss

and there may be some things where our interest a line and we can get them to be cooperative, would not because they want to be. Operative only because it's in there are interested to take actions that happened to a line with our interests for the most part, I think you have to treat them as hostile and we need to be addressing this in terms of how do we, punish them for allowing this to go on not had. We bring them on board to help us well this problem, because to think if anybody thinks that Putin doesn't understand that this is happening, that is not the that he's, not delighted to see it in and green lighting. It, I think you know, then you're not coming to grips with how Russia works How Russia regards the United States and which frightening about that is that you know China.

Which in some ways, maybe more capable then Russia. In some of these operations, Russia has great intelligence, operate since, but they're not his flesh is China is right now so far China has has mainly the chair, India, China has mainly been cyber theft. we haven't had at least that we could have been reported. A lot of these kind of ransom. Where operations husband, reporting that North Korea may be involved in this sort of stuff. but it's mainly young people who are operating from Russia, but I you know the world is watching this and they're watching how that only we but we in conjunction with the west, react to it, and I think, if there's not a serious response, this we're we're gonna buy more of it and the as re is pointing out it's a very tough.

It's a very tough thing to quell. So it's in another job again before we go, and that is worthy of this investigation. Of this democratic lobbying, firm, Blue STAR strategies associated with Hunter Biden. What's goin on here well,. you don't richness, it's an interesting little sideline and something that we have known about for a while but sudden, but with a sudden emergence of this story just because I'm cynical or paranoid. However, you want to put it. I have a feeling this is, bad news for Rudy Giuliani, who is not at all involved in this more than anything else, and what I mean by that is so blue source strategies. Is this lobbying firm that was founded years ago by these two important people, Catherine Trautmann Tunnel and Sally Painter,

but I think there were a political advice, is a wonder- was to run Brown and one was in the little White House. I always get confused, which was which, but anyway, in any event they lobbied for or resume, and they appear to have used Hunter Biden. The hunter violence connection to Burmese more as a kind of a wedge to get meetings with Obama, administration, people, both Biden and other people in the Obama administration to try to push Obama, administration on the sure whether charisma was corrupt or not. maybe that they were wrong, but it could be that charisma.

Retain the lobbying firm with through some influence, The german archers Devon Archer, remember is hunters, Hunter guidance, business partner and, as I often point out, because the medium how'd, you know recently convicted in the southern district of New York. In a major fraud case and what the what the people from the blue sky, Blue STAR strategies protest the patient in lobbying on behalf of Burma, to try to get the government to back off on the idea for those who was corrupt, that was all unfolded in this report that basic about a year ago, senators chow gradually and RON Johnson did turns of looking hard at Hunter bite.

And his connections to various sub international actors, boring small Russia, China and so on. Sulk wings, I mention that because we knew about we being collectively. We knew about the the blue star strategies, connection to Burma because is of that report and there's a lot of mentions of the of the of the firm in that report. So why does this? MT now well, it looks like This is sourced with the fact that there is investigation hour of blue store strategies, its source, the: U S attorney's office in Delaware, which is the same component of the Justice Department that is supposedly investigating Hunter Biden,

so it's it's not much of a leap to say that this comes out of the Hunter Biden, investigation. but the timing of it is is interesting. What their evidently looking at blue store for is a fact. A violation that is again the foreign agents Registration ACT that we ve talked about a few times and the idea is that blue store should of if they're gonna, this work for Erasmus, which is connected to the ukrainian govern. The oligarchy who owns Erasmus was, I secretary was an administrator in the young in the ukrainian government before he ran this business and it's got a lotta connections. to the government. So what they're saying is, or what the Justice Department is, the power we looking into

Whether they violated far by not registering with the Justice Department before they did this work for charisma and the reason I think it's interesting timing is we know that the just deportment, has an investigation of Rudy Giuliani on the theory that he was acting as an unregistered agent love, but of of ukraine- and you know one of the main criticisms that came out after it became public the there investigating Giuliani on that theory is that not only do they almost never tree far violations as criminal, but there obviously doing it in a in politicized way by targeting somebody who is perceived as an enemy for good reason of the incumbent administration

So I think that this may be a way of providing Biden, Justice Department, trying to show that its being even handed in the enforcement of fora, which, if I'm right about that, that's that's bad news for the Rudy investigation, but we'll just have to see how it develops. Ok. Well, that's all the time we have the spike ass has been produced by the incomparable surgery, thanks everyone for listening and thank you, Annie, Mccarthy, thanks rich.