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just real quick. Thank you guys so much for the birthday messages that was really sweet, never do so nice and I'm still getting them, and it's not even my birthday. So I appreciate it humble brag that you're not gonna humbly brag about Keith Morrison wish knowing a happy birthday. Thank you and good. I owe you better believe I was gonna. Humble brag about that, are you? Are you shooting mighty? Are you shedding light dick? I so John me Keith Morrison in case you didn't see it on. social media John got me a Keith Morrison cut out like life size, it was a fine. He has been cause. Alina was distracted doing this and we put their cut out behind her and she turned rums like oh ok was the funniest, the key of what you think o Keefe is just standing in our living room now, which is fun because every time we walk into the kitchen where like- and we think it somebody standing in the living room? It's fun which is funny to cause it's like your ie, like you get scared, but the goats keep it. Then you are immediately warmed. Uncomforted, like a nice blanket its Keith Morrison, like he's

the pleasure, he wished me happy birthday and it was like pretty much the best thing. That's life change where best friends. Now, I don't know anybody know spoke wherein hang on all the time now we're gonna talk. Oh, I have a famous for now to you, since you got me for a man. Oh yeah, Bilbil Mosely, like we were actually best friends. Now we want a famous friends. Now, guy I gotta Coming cameo from Bill Mosely shot. He he's amazing. I'm renown, funny books, and he said I read no funny books. Mamma had run Rhone, rabbit, specifically everything we needed to say it was so wonderful. He why Otis yeah here the Bastille, mostly and again we're friends without them, obviously, but

it is really cool. It's very cool. Thank you. Morrison said happy birthday that may my day we have. That would make life and century now so and you guys have been so sweet and so amazing and again I want to thank you even more filling the Bailey stuff. I'm still getting messages about that. I now and it's like really been helpful. Kinspeople are sharing their own stigma, lingo their pops in their kiddies in their other animals. So, thank you so much Noah, because you made me so happy when it when things have been so shitty than you go then have prompt us up a little bit how things have been truly something, but on his knees you know what it won. It could Please be worse, always because we're gonna talk about many things that are much worse than an perspective is very high. Orton. Couldn't you know what we through it, because everyone is cove id free.

covered free house. We got through it, everybody undoing, snappy dance. We got through it, including myself. I will. I was covered positive and didn't even realize it for awhile, because I was completely a symptomatic because I got my boots stir and I totally attributed to that. It also just makes sense that you were not because of who you are and oppressive and like other than having corn, I'm not getting some tonight you're like Elinor lilies like Alina, does it all, including Ba symptomatic? Over now I was very lucky John: just getting his taste like starting to get his taste back and even just being witness to losing their taste felt so bad, a horrible- and you know everyone else's got through, Everyone has come out the other side and thankfully we were all vaccinated I think my guys for that yeah I on it, but we're out where it and were moving forward, and you know we we got Bailey back home with us,

yeah she's on the mantel, so Baileys on the mantel. Looking at all of us, we love her. We got our little principle ruled those boot that everything in the railways, but is there and it feels hole now. It feels better yeah that she's here everything feels it gets kind of starting. Fall back and yet so I just feel more who Lincoln rake in brief, but again they could have always been where so thanks fur bearing with us through that whole thing and being so great and so supportive, you guys seriously. Like a million best friends, you really give a really is like I know I can say proudly sounds like super hokey saying Napoli get over it. It's the true ITALY really true like when I see a message. That's like! Oh my god. Look, I'm so sorry about Billy, but one like thank you friend now using leading to eat like thank you so much term. So you guys rule and I can't wait for them the next year. Just I'm not telling me, let's not say and like New York, new mayor and illuminating, I'm just saying don't even anticipated. This is just coming. No, you know it's just like January. First, even if it's not like new year knew me it's like a nice, we talk

but we can base reset of just like getting your shit organised and like getting back into a routine of some sort, Ohio, I'm excited for that. I have on a couple of what they called resolution seer, but they're not like resolutions. They're. Just think that I need to do to link that's literally. In fact, one of my you'll appreciate this. One of my resolutions is simply too Meister ice. Thank you because doing what do. I owe me more stress my face. I don't like waster as anyone else like freaking out right now. Alina lost, I might highlight Olaf's skin, like I normally releases that we did not more drove, but now. Ok, I've always had a pretty soft scheduling dislike you know, but now I wish to raise Vienna own. Oh yeah, you didn't know what soft skin was. You know. Ah, you thought was America missile revolve, but not more insight right how it is. I mean I've always smelled good tool, but it's

I'll go to dinner. I didn't want to be like a small. I've always been soft and I've always smell of God, but always voluntary, but anyways, soft and happy. And now we have to move on to some really dark stuff, this is something we just had to talk to you guys about there's, not a ton of information re now, so you didn't want to jump right into an episode to give half information to nobody severally, something that the world needs to spread out, not see that enough in this is like a really weird thing: that's happening in a really tragic thing: that's happening absolutely so! Abridge pork etiquette, woman, her name is low in Smithfield, she was found unresponsive in her apartment on December twelve and she died days later like days before Christmas. Yesterday, and she had an unidentified older white man over before in her apartment. She had met him through bumble and-

he was the last person to basically see her alive. He contacted police saying that they need an emergency services and Lauren later died, yeah and this is, I can't imagine like being her family in going through this around the holidays like days before Christmas days before Christmas, they lose their daughter and they said that she was a beautiful child with the world at her feet in it looked like she had everything going for her. Oh yeah, I mean in the thing, is the magic of the autopsy is done, but the medical examiner, nothing has been released. Investigators unseen, a thing which I hope is a good thing. I would hope so, but I have no idea it does not sound like I was going, there has been some good cooperation will be. Do coming the investigator side to the family. I think the family is really getting the shit end. The stick here so her father. said in an interview. He is one, percent sure that she did not do drugs used

partaking in anything like that. So he'd than really doesn't look like it could be something related to that because, of course, When it's like an something like this, you always are in no one was there except one person you're like a cable if they're not pending it on that person link, That would also people would think that that is not the case here. He chile, said without a doubt, we know that my daughter was not a drug user and that he- and he had a in autopsy paid for out of pocket themselves. Because they were so uncomfortable with how they are being treated me up and so yeah. It's ridiculous and her father actually said that the only contact that they have had with police was quote very insensitive, condescending and arrogant, and an arrogant, detective, oh yeah, because a detail I believe, told her brother that, because they were like what about this guy, that was with her like the US is the last person to see her before she die like he was. It sounds like you

been there. When I have this illegal, something must have happened where she became unresponsive and they were told this family who lost their child days before Christmas was told that this guy's a sky who doesn't need to be investigated and it's like I'm sorry what he does. He was the last person to see her alive, like I don't care if he hands out circles to Lake Button, the sad you You need Abbe investigate what I mean, John Wayne Gacy was a nice guy. Two cops yard them sandwiches. What I'm right into their house to use the party like that how they got em like TED Bundy, was known as a nice guy, the people around them every I'm not very clear and then like a serial killer of that level or like that. But I'm saying I mean you're not going to investigate the last person who saw somebody alive and I'm sorry what person found. at a crime scene. Who would be the first personal look out is not going to be a nice guy to you price leg. buddy, who you

call call in an early, hey, you're, the one who called the sin we need to talk to you. Do you think they're gonna be an asshole, no they're gonna be a nice guy, doesn't mean he's a nice guy course, we know nothing about this man. He might be sky, but no matter what he needs to be investigated and also give the face, boy some more here I mean cheese voice can be like arrogant and rude to people that lost their trial, will they also, or they also told the family, to stop calling yeah? Stop? Calling us that's their childs and they're, not getting any information. Of course, they're gonna keep calling. Can you imagine like I risk giving knowledge stop calling on. No, I really couldn't like. Oh no. I meant to call you so much more now, I'm literally gonna call you every hour on the out and get a find your home phone number in the yellow page there not calling to be assholes they're, calling to find out about what happened to their child days before Christmas. So when someone else who they don't know, was there right, I would be

this. I would be out of my mind in her her poor mother. watching her on that interview like sobbing, and she said I don't know who I am going to be after this, and because that is the most leg- got ready, King statement, because I can't imagine no, unlike I dont, does you have children like she doesn't know who she's going to be after this cuz this won't. This isn't a fundamentally change her family forever. If you lose your child, nobody should ever have to bury a child, and you know what Lauren was known as a track star in high school. She was attending Norwalk Community College. She was interested in physical therapy and cosmetology. She had a bright future ahead of her and snuffed out sensual, had aside business and was putting herself think through every issue is paying for it. You know like she was she doing a thing so it's like I just I don't know it's a lot of. It seems fishy. Of course, we have no idea what's really going on, but it's definitely not being handled great for their part. The Bridgeport police department,

did release a statement. They said the Bridgeport part Burke, the Bridgeport Police Department takes these concerns very seriously: the command staff of the disease the bureau is reviewing the handling of this case to ensure that best practices were and are being followed. It is imperative to note that the cause of the death of Lauren Psmith, fields remains. An ongoing investigation are department, extends its deepest construct condolences to the family of learn. Sorry, I just tripped all over that but to me I think I was stripping overcome. I kept thinking in my head. I, like ongoing investigation. Some, like I dont eyes this there has to be something here, will not like the whole thing of arm look at best practices like trying to ensure that they were and are being used. They already weren't Mona. It's like this family was told to stop calling yeah.

that's not values are not best practice to treat murder, victims, family or exhumation, say: murder, victims, a mysterious deaths victim's family like that yeah, that's actually the work, practice. I would say so. This is a mysterious stuff. It has not been labelled a murder yet or maybe it won't. I mean there's no good outcome here, not son, I mean Lauren isn't is gone. that's terrific, but at the very least I want to know more. I want to know what's going on, I want that family did know. What's going on, family deserves to know what happened in order so make sure you're following that story, because I'm sure more will come out are, I hope, more will come out soon and we're gonna keep up or that we will try to keep updating as much as we can believe that sees perspective obsolete. That is horrific, thought bright before right before Christmas. Do the new year,

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sisters- and she was better known to her family- has just Betsy, which you I love the neck, maybe really is a door. I have never known about C. I didn't like me neither actually perfect while her friend described her as friendly fun, loving, bubbling sweet? One of them said that she could get a party started wherever she went. Amazing, Betsy, amazing, botsey and also that was a great quality for her to have, because not all did she work for an insurance company by day, but her side hustle was that she ran her own dj business. Thumb. That's amazing, because when you first said that you were like well, that's a great quality for her to have Cushing rose. She worked on insurance business, like I, don't see the correlation, but our people- and I was like now we, each year, the Dj Beth off, like I love the idea of her dislike Wendy being like you know, I I want to start a dj slick. I love that idea, and it's like she's, like Richard Gilmore and get more girls is like insurance. People are boring which are not seeing their Bridget go more dead. Sorry about it, a fictional character, disaffection character. He came out

but he but he's always argue about how boring and their drones and others and then she's a dj at night. Legged censured, Blake how to me of her personality. I love it truly is, and she would do like all kinds of events. She would do her friends, weddings, cookouts holiday party, get it that's in every one who knew her was just like you know at this. She was a fun time so what she also had a third job because she was a Mamma she had to daughters that she had from a previous marriage, so she had her plate loaded when she met a man named raw sulfurea, better known as just Russ. Ok arrested him all and stepped up to the plea and became a huge part of Betsy Children's lives? Edinburgh see considered them on children, love em. They considered him like a father figure and in their lives and love that yeah so two thousand after dating for awhile Betsy Unrest aside to get married and they set the date for a January wedding now over the years, Betsy undresses marriage definitely had its highs and lows. Obviously like every marriage

you know, during the early years together, Betsy encouraged us to go back to school and he did and ended up getting like a better job. He I'm not agree. I t job things were alike higher, but, during one of their lowest points. They did decide to separate ok, so the separation lasted about a year and when it was kind of like at the end, they looked at each other and there are like net like. Why are we doing this? We love each other. We want to be together, I mean not to connected to the same thing over and over again, but only Roger Hamley Gilmore, the sound of exactly the same truly as they separated like their separation was heartbreaking. It was but think up and at the end they were like. What are we doing? What are we doing enough? What happened Patsy and rested? So the shitty thing about the fact that they got back together like the shady timing, is that not long after getting back together, Betsy was actually diagnosed with breast cancer. All yeah So when she shared the news with her friends and family everybody rallied around her, especially Russ. He made sure that she

rested when she needed to be that show, is how to ride, to and from her chemo appointments, which really wasn't a problem, because she had a shit tunnel. Friends like a lot of her friends were like life long, friendly, less people that she met at work like seemed like she had a friend in every aspect of her. Like that tells you about her absence, it tells you a lot about her when you see her eyes, she has the kindest eyes. Oh really gonna look up a picture of her. She is like I won't. I wouldn't be her friend. Interestingly enough, one of those friends who really stepped up to the plate was a woman named PAMELA Hop now they had met about. Ten years earlier, working at state farm, which just makes me think of a guy named Jake who does always, but they lost touch over the years. Then PAM ended up finding out somehow that Betsy had cancer and they reconnected was I I want to help you in any way I can like I wall, I've. U anywhere you need to go. I will be your shoulder to cry I will be your rock throughout this:

and most of the time PAM was the one to drive Betsy to and from her chemo appointments. She was always available, so PAM Hop was born on October tenth. Just to give you a little bit of background on PAM, one thousand nine hundred and fifty eight the air. She was born to parents, surely, and Victor Newman, which makes her Libra now a generalization here. because some, but not all libruls, are said to care a lot about their reputation and summer also said to lack humility, tone jerry. You generalise everybody out just like every fuckin labour. I dare you saw them laborers, but that's just a little something to put near back pocket, so pay father, he was a union guy and her mother was a teacher, so they were like a super middle class. Family pm and her three siblings were brought up Catholic in the area of Delaware. Adele would misery excusing so up. Pam is like not the most amazing student which, like the same but she did have a lot of friends and they all said that she was like very fun loving. She was a good time and show

are you please don't do good and school by have a good time for love and less meat no. During her senior year, PAN started dating one of her fellow classmates, but shortly into the relationship she found out that she was pregnant. Ok, now she and her boyfriend quickly got married and, while all of their friends we're having after college in my moving on with their lives it they don't headfirst into parenthood and adulthood. So PAN started waiter thing to bring in some extra and even though they tried to make things work after having their daughter. Just they were different people. They could not be together, but they tried for six years. Why, because they really given at the old college, try its given it like a hunch try, so they got to have worst when their child was six and the ex was off skinny ordered to pay it child support loans can say offered to patients. you weren't, he was off early to undo the mule he's like national. Now he was ordered to and he did, but he which

Pan would make him appear in court with the cancelled checks, all the time to prove that he was paying child support than she was trying to make. It seem He wasn't, but he would show up with a stack of czech symbolic noise now. I know I did like I was just like. I don't really under and when he had to do that, but she doesn t know what she did. I do that and apparently she was very focused on money. One of her friends later said quote: when it comes to money, she short circuits who which, like that's all that's a very bad quality that have truly is now after divorcing. Her first husband PAM met a man named markup. He was in the minor leagues he paid. He played for the Texas rate stuff, but you didn't get drafted so then he just went back to carpentry, so they hit it off. They got married and they had a son together in nineteen, eighty nine. They moved to Naples because PAM's father was living out there. They wanted to like take care of him, what not, but he actually passed away in two thousand and one, and so the two of them moved back to Missouri.

And it was around that time at that payment. Betsy met at the life Insurance agency, and then you know the rest. Ok, so flash forward about ten years, Betsy mhm reconnected but she's going to her cancer treatments and pans behind her every step of the way. now at one point or another, but see actually got the news that her cancer was in remission. Hell, yeah was so exciting, like I can't even imagine that feeling so she and restless to have a celebration of life crews with some of their closest friends and family. I'm obsessed with that- and this is the swedish thing you will ever hear one that's his dreams, and life was to swim with dolphins like she always wanted to do that so pure. So rough headed arranged as an excursion for their trip and like surprised her on the Bruce and gone and really so. We should not to live out our dream bald, so the crews was all set for November and in them

time. Obviously, Betsy had to keep up with appointments to make sure that everything was a okay and unfortunately about one of those appointments in October, which was just a month before the crews they went on. She found out that her cancer was back, oh no, not only back, but it had also spread to her liver man, and at that point she was but she only had three to five years still with all my entire body just chilled like I know I say I can imagine a lot, but I cannot now that's just not something anybody can even begin to fathom no- and I was not physician- I feel like I've been dont. Tell me why don't I don't? I can't even battlement now planned literally camp, and that was a month before She was going on a celebration of life crews who, like that's what they were calling at, so they still and on the crew. Of course I mean now. It really is a celebration of what you have left Folia and by all accounts. Russ was quote inconsolable, that's how everybody described to Hamley caught my heart hurts

No, he didn't want to think about nothing without his white. No, of course, not it's horrible, but they wanted to make the time like that they had left the best possible tire and the doctors that it would be ok for Betsy and resting on the crews, and then Betsy would have to start treatment, backup in December so that's what happened, but when they got home, things were like not really cheerful, because buddies appointments were constant and they left her exhausted. If you have ever gone through chemo or like you know, somebody that's gone through chemo softer you fur seriously and get in through a man. It takes everything out of somebody yeah just like watching my mom go through. It has been like you know, it's got ranging

yeah, it's horrible, but she soon greatness. She is doing videos, hats off trauma by her friend PAM was there to help. I sign her. She was gonna, be her rock. She drive her to the chemo, and then she got her settled at home, because Russ was working. Obviously, PAM was actually not working. Any more shoes collecting disability on. There is like a lot of different reasons why she was collecting disability that have been mentioned. She had been unlike accidents or a work, related injury or lies by law, The weird thing was that PAM wasn't really Betsy closest friends like Russ himself was like, I can think of at least like a dozen other people that she's closer with, but she was kind of shoehorning. so exactly that, if a perfect way to describe that- but I think Patsy was like you know, like

he's trying to help me, and then I think here over the time that there are spending together cause like I said, PAM would sit with her through the appointments and they can be like ours, oh yeah, so I think they were starting to talk more and become closer with each other and one day the topic of life insurance was brought up. Oh no and Betsy confided in am that she was worried about Russ being the beneficiary of her life insurance policy, because a legit Then she said that she was worried that he would piss it all away. Ok, and now this is obviously according to current PAM Correct, she could have named her daughters, but this she had two daughters, but they were still young at that time. I believe one was in their early twenties and one was still a teenager and she was like you know. I just don't want them to be left with a huge sum of money like the can become danger here. So PAM said I am definitely risk. sensible enough to handle such a task, and I am sure that the money goes to the right places who isn't responsible enough to handle a large sum of money me out, so young so undisturbed

Twenty third, two thousand eleven Betsy in PAN went to the local library together and they changed the beneficiary of Betsy one hundred and fifty thousand dollar life insurance policy. Naming PAM the beneficiary. I just these Hannah things you're like whenever somebody wants to be the beneficiary of your life insurance. It's no good. The red flags, arduous shootin, out of everywhere, like I want a name, somebody who doesn't want to be yeah. I want somebody to actively Billy, please Stone or Leonardo like yes, maybe I'll, just name somebody and never tell them just give it all to children's hospital Something will think I just I want to go down there and you spoke no. I now now, apparently, they had the librarian at the time, be the witness to the to the age and cheap copped about years ago. They did ok, sure I'll be or what I mean like. What are you gonna think I think she's like younger, to which you I feel it follows the librarian. I would also be like. Do you see?

you don't want to do this thing about The thing that sucks is like, like a pen was, good friend she would know that Betsy was under such the medication and Zira and Stress Andrew like sadness like you, don't make a big decision like thou know if she was any kind of friend she would have not taken advantage of this. I'm no friend do that. Absolutely not a friend would sit there and say you know what in fact a friend would have said. therein said you can turns or are valid. If that's how you feel even but you know what I will be here, I will help make sure that Russ is in in the right mind, he's gonna be upset like I'll, be here to Canada, support him and make sure that the girls and taken care of I'll, be your friend after this, would say. If I was her friend, you should talk to a lawyer about eggs, Finally- and I billing talk to talk to

Johnny, turn violently taught us here. We have a meeting a cigarette out there and say it's gonna be taken care of right. Don't worry right, nine o, like name mean I will I'll take it. Ok became all sweet of you to sign up to take a hundred and fifty thousand dollars. You is like one: what is selfless warrior? You are not a hero. Now, the problem To what this whole entire change through was that nobody knew anything about this change. Betsy didn't tell anybody about it, oh no and she wouldn't have time to, and unfortunately this policy would go into effect much sooner than the three to five years that Betsy had been given because, four days after the change on December twenty seventh, two days after Christmas, two thousand eleven eleven Betsy had a chemo appointment men. So she spent the night before

at her moms house, because it was closer to wear. Her appointment was, and she told PAM actually that she didn't need a ride from her that day, because her moms friend, Bobby Juan, was gonna, be taking her and she was gonna sit with her throughout the appointment. Now Bobby was actually bessys baby sitter back in the day. Oh so she was like. Oh you know. I am really looking forward to spending some time with her and her exact text to PAM said quote Bobby is going to ask me Bobby is going, and I want to spend some one on one time with her and PAM texted back bomber, which, like no like excited to see my babysitter farmer, I can't come to your chemo appointment. Come on you. You know you say that's great wreck. I hope you have a great. They come sake, NASH. I hope it distracts you and it's it's a great sea, soon heart bomber bomber like fucking? Are you making this about you? I was just going to say that the above or for you open that she she's going to her chemo appointment, Billy Gamma Chemo by many a huge bomber thanks for the more you now clearly, because,

responded. She received that message, Sheridan, usually how that works, but not long. forgetting that text PAM showed up Betsy mother's house and acted confused when Betsy wasn't there, JANET, but his mother said oh, like Bobby, is taking her. I thought she texted you and PAN was like. Oh, I didn't get the text sohmer, so bummer. So at that point, if maybe you d think about texting, you just like had a lapse of time in your life, and you thought you didn't get that at that point you ago I should go home, yeah cause because it's taken care she's out her appointment. They ve told me what is going on. Not not only has Betsy told me now what's going on. Apparently I forgot, but now I've had a second person say no, no, it's it's all set. She didn't do that no, she didn't do that. She actually showed up at the chemo appointment with Bobby and Betsy. Just like sitting right there and Betsy was like. Why leg. I thought I told you that Bobby was taking me today and I want

To spend some one on one time with her in late, she needs this bullshit drama at her fucking chemo appointment, eggs. Let the woman sit there and deal like my god, you what she need. I shouldn't you when people make shit about themselves when it's like on someone else's going through something like that you're like just let them a moment. Let her do whatever she knew what she wants to be with whoever she were. However, she wants to do it just leave her alone re exactly. He doesn't leave her He doesn't need a stage. Five cling. Our friend know nobody needs a stage. Five clangor front honey, any part of their life not now and Bobby said. Bessy was courting quote quite surprised, yeah! That's it is like not a meaning. Issues are all gaelic whatever like glad you're here, so the three of them chatted throughout the rest of the appointment and PAN told Betsy that she would drive her home and she was like. Ok well, like your ears that you fuckin might as well and so

she thanked Bobby for coming, and she text at her husband rests because the original plan was that Russia was going to pick her up from her moms house after the appointment. But it sounds like PAM is not having any of this no know. Pam is yeah really like insistent that she be the one to take her home and she had told her earlier. Like. Oh you know, it's a longer drive for you, like it's going to be an hour round trip so like it's much shorter for us to just take me in like Bobby's, going to visit it's all set for it is all set for today. Yeah, you know what I'm assuming, as I know, name. I know I don't know exactly the details of what is about veneer nice assume something that is going to happen here and just get vibes. I don't know, probably and to me PAM is making this very obvious that she is planning to do something and, unlike in what? At what time? Does your brain go while I'm really, I'm really stretching here too It's not gonna. Look good! Never exactly.

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we need to rest because, even though she had cancer, she was still like running around doing things. She was playing tennis cause she's, probably trying to get them, learn a little out every day. He absolutely. But there will. I do gotta. You really have to slow. Now, so around seven p m she called her friend tissues of actually supposed to play tennis with the next day and she was like I'm so sorry I have to cancel like I gotta get some rest, so she cancelled that and then after Paul. She and PAM called pans, husband mark and he didn't pick up the phone, but they left him a voice, mail and Betsy saying on the voice: mail, Merry Christmas and a happy new year, looking at things on voice, and so that was time stamped and then finally, Betsy spoken, one of her daughters who was on the way to upgrade her phone, and said oh mom, like you have to speak with the people on the phone to China, authorize the charge you have. If you ever upgraded your phone, you know the deal and but it was like oh yeah, I like I'll, be around like I'm just Plannin on closing up on the couch and just island near

Oh she's, like ok, cool, like I'll call you when I got there so PAM got Betsy Home, got our settled and then made her way back to her own home and but he's daughter called from the cellphone store a couple times and wasn't getting an answer. So PAM also called Betsy on her way home at seven twenty seven and cheated and get an answer either. So at that point she was worried that Betsy was upset with her for not like staying longer and hanging out, so she can she called Betsy Mam JANET and she was like have you heard from Betsy, because I can't get in touch with her, like I just left, but I'm worried, but she's mad at me, yada yada, yada, then JANET was like. Oh no, like I haven't heard from her, but you know she did get that news today, but she needs to rest. She might just be tired. Maybe she fell asleep. Maybe just leave her there. Cologne yard mega, go home PAM, so PAN was tired too, and when she got home she took a shower and she settled in for the night heading to bed shortly

after so Russ earlier about, night had been home, but he had a weekly game night with his friends every Tuesday, and this was a Tuesday night. It was. He left her on five p m to head to give night, so he must Betsy couple of hours now on his way to game night. He made four different stops and this is directly from court transcripts. So quote from five hundred and sixteen to five hundred and twenty, he stopped to get gas at a Conoco station in Troy, Missouri from five hundred and thirty one to five hundred and thirty two. He stopped to buy cigarettes at U gas in Wentzville at five hundred and fifty two. He bought a bag of dog food at Green's, county country store in Lake St Louis and from five hundred and fifty six to five hundred and fifty eight. He was in O'Fallon Missouri Quiktrip by two bottles of ice t his first second and fourth stops were recorded on camera and he had a time stamped receipt from greens. Ok, so he fell finally made it to his friend Michael Corbians House, at around six p m,

and instead of playing games that night data used to play like role playing games, but one of the guys like sick or something and couldn't come so they didn't have enough. Players from the certain game, but they saw wanted to hang out There are like all, let's watch movies, so they watched the movies. They all smoked some we'd together. If there were just kind having a hang sash and they ended up calling it a night around nine p m now on the way home run stopped at Arby's for a couple of cheeseburgers. He got too so I have to assume that he was bringing home of one to Betsy. Oh and he made nine home around nine forty when he walked inside. He did not find Betsy Cosy up on the couch. Instead, he found her slumped over on the living room floor with a knife sticking holy shit, sticking out of her neck. He immediately called nine one one and through sobs he told the offer it to the operator that his wife had finally gone through with something that she had talked about in the past suicide.

Oh now, Betsy, obviously like we were just saying- has gone through a lot recently she's diagnosed with a life threatening diseases. Given yours to live. Obviously all of that would certainly warrant such deep feelings of depression so, wasn't shocking, that she had made comments or attempts of suicide in the past year. But when the first officer, Lincoln County, Deputy Christopher Hollings worth arrived, unseen, was like. Oh no! No! No! This is a homicide, so he immediately took Russ out of the home. When the fire captain checked text Betsy's body, he thought that she probably had to have been dead for at least two hours because the body was, hold an extremely stiff and when he tried to move like her arm, her entire body moved awhile and bright, so he was like yeah she's definitely been dead. Like us, least two hours now most unseen agreed with him and they were like Ojala greater mortis definitely set in, and one of them noted

the blood around her body was dark, so it had clearly been sitting for a little while they also another knife underneath a pillow on the couch and they took note of that, and then they took note that the family dog was chained up outside, but looking closer to Betsey's body, they saw what looks like a palmprint on her leg, meaning that the dog must have been inside at one point or another while Betsy was home, stepped in blood and then said on her leg ha, so they took note of that and then putting two and two together later on in the investigation. They believed that whoever had done this must have known the dog, because their family dog was known till. I not be super friendly to people that he didn't hear. She didn't know, so they were like if this person was able to get the dog outside the dog must have known this person yeah. So Russen immediately was taken to the station for questioning they who did that his clothing didn't show any signs of blood and later when they took fingernail clippings and they like checked his clothing, now

but dna or any blood was found on his clothing or underneath his fingernails okra. There is also no blood in his car when they searched that. so they asked him about his whereabouts for the night and he explained TAT. He had worked home tat day. He hadn't seen Betsy because he she had stayed with her mother and then how Turkey Chemo appointment, and that was Tuesday. He explained to you, know that's the end of the week where I go play these games with my friends. We play games, we have a movie night, whatever he said, I stopped at a few places and let you know I mentioned earlier like that was of places to stop ok. Thank you. Going to say it earlier and I was wanna be linked to note a law. of places to start a lot of play in this I dont go on now, I'm just saying and upon first glance of this you are always gonna. Look at the person closest to them, which is I spend even euro, is going to look at the person who finds them, which happens to be the husband and if they were

trying to establish an hour I than they would that they might make that silly mistake of stopping at too many places to get too many shore things again, not saying that this is like a guilty verdict here. I'm do nothing, of course, not because it doesn't help because you're not looking. this through tunnel vision, no other people might have thought so they were like. Ok like. Why did you stop at like four places for all these things, when you like some of these things like You start you couldn't elephant gas stations. Why didn't you condense without a lot of those things can be done at one place like we, however, there I see you are some. There is cigarettes. I've got a cigarette, they can all be up into my dog food here, so they were like Why so many stops body in Russia? explained that he always bought his cigarettes at the second place. He stopped because they were sixty cents cheaper. There, ok, fair now, when I

that I was like ok. So if those cigarettes are cheaper therein, they also have gas. Why didn't you just get gas in cigarettes there? I don't exactly what the explanation was for that he might have gotten gas and then was like ocean not of cigarettes, also releasing losses in Berlin on gas and he was like. I gotta stop in the first place I hit exactly because maybe he was at the point where you sneak up on fumes. Isn't that certainly know it I'll just go to any gas station? If I'm on fumes of this matter and if its, if he does that thing, where he's like, I just always get my cigarettes here. Yeah that makes on shore and he said the reason why he stopped and got dog food on. The way was because like they needed it and the place where they got dog food, they always went to that place because they had a rewards card. Ok and they d, like we had money problems in the past and stuff like that of use they have a rewards card, is like that cigarettes are sixty cents cheaper, like I'm fuckin budgeting here, ok, how I loved my rewards cards for my groceries. Course I am. I got assessed with my rewards cards. If I don't have it, I like panic, and I would

It rather go to like big. Why than Roach brothers. If I have the rewards card for big, why absolutely because do you know him when you say five dollars a lot, ok ends on I'll go out of my way, me too. So fair enough. The other former president game night were also question. and they all confirms that Russ had been there the entire time and that he had left when he studied it. Ok, I mean that's, that's pretty solid pretty fuckin solid, so overall rests, had been questioned for ten and a half hours that night and then the now stay around two p m. They said hey. Would you be willing to take a polygraph test and he said absolutely so he agreed and when the polygraph wrapped up it had determined that Russia has failed the polygraph test era, specifically showed deception, when they asked, did you kill Betsy or do you know? Who did so right then? And there or us was arrested for the murder of his wife, damn yup they were able to hold him

in the county jail for the next twenty four hours, but when that time was up, they were going to need a sign off on a probable cause statement to keep him any longer because it can just billing. While you failed to polygraph Jeff I think that they were hoping that they ve got the sign off I'll, probably cause, and then they would keep him for the whole time, but they did not get the sign off on that probable cause because they just didn't have enough. Yet no exact, really so arrest was free to go for the time being now the day after Betsy was found murdered. The investigators also wanted to speak with PAM Hop, knowing that she was the last person to see Betsy alive. Presumably one of the last year the investigators, got to PAM's house around six hundred and forty in the morning, and she answered the door with wet hair. Clearly she just showered. I mentioned that she had showered the night before because she told that when she got home the night before she had also taken a shower. It's very weird to mean to take a shower at night and then take one like a couple hours later in the morning,

I'm sure a lot of other people do that a investigation. It makes my ears I dont use our. I like dinging NEA, exactly now, they talked up. She made a I'll say a couple of conflicting statements when she first spoke with police and this interview she told them at first that she had not gone into the house when she dropped off Betsy, but later on, her story. She said that she did go inside now by point they had seen that PAM had called Betsy at that at seven hundred and twenty seven I told you she called her and they were like. Why did you call her so soon? After dropping her off and PAM first said she called Betsy when she got home, but then later she said. Oh, I culture when I was almost home as that she said that she actually didn't know the route Tibet sees house back to her own house, so she called Betsy. She made it to the point that she remembered what she said. She was home free at that point. Okay, now live, I don't

This caused her ears to go Ding Ding, Ding, again, it's real. Interesting to me, that she drove this woman to and from a bunch of chemo appointments, but didn't know the route back to her house from this woman's house. Yeah likes you, then all the same at her house and presumably goes back to her own house. Often yet, and she doesn't know how to know my like your guilty, this is our tingling. Also its two thousand eleven like Jp Us, a thing reactor is yes, So when they asked about Russen, buddies, marriage, PAM told them, she actually really didn't know Russ. That well and honestly should be surprised if he was the one who is responsible for doing this, but then,

was. I actually wait. A second. Their marriage was like on the wrong. Come to think of it, Betsy told me that she was afraid over us violently actually and she kept bringing up this quoting quote document. She kept calling it a document at one point. She called it an email, but she was sorry I'm a document in their early mega. She said that she would. The earth gives you. She said that they would be able to find that document on Bessys Computer and she said that it described a pretty alarming situation in which Russia had put Betsy N recently. She said that if they found the stocking but they should totally try to find. They would read this account from Betsy about Russ putting a pillow over her face while she was sleeping and when she woke up and began to struggle, he threatened to kill her and said to her. I wanted you to know what it would feel like to die. Oh I mean that sounds horrific. If that was the truth, when she was like you just have to find that out

but that's also go very far cry from like I don't really know him well and I don't know their marriage than white collar. We actually know this really horrific, intimate detail about their marriage. I totally forgot gloomily all parents- ok, oh yeah, yeah, it's hard to remember that kind of thing, so guns, Finally, the life insurance policy came up and PAM explained. You know. Patsy was worried that Russia was going to spend it all Her daughters are too young, so she named me the beneficiary. Oh, she just named me and they were like So once the investigators wrapped up with their questions, they thanked PAM for her time and they headed out. So at that point the report from the medical examiner had come back and it was. Herman's that Betsy had most likely been dead for two hours like they thought and she had suffered fifty five stab wounds. Fifty five

lot of which were post mortem, because the medical examiner concluded that her heart had actually stopped pretty early on in the process holy shit. Fifty five, times, and these were methodical, said once there were no lake, it wasn't like ruggedo wiggly at all like these, where, like in out in out fifty five times and then to me says more bleeding away from rests, because if he called and said, I think she did it like. I think she fell I killed herself. He would know if he really knew what he had done if he knew he had inflicted fifty five stab on someone or even ten then you know: that's not gonna fly really, you know, that's not gonna fly. You would make up the story of someone came in here and that you wouldn't immediately be like she doesnt killed herself rat. So the fact that he went there to me says that he didn't. I mean it says that likely he didn't in my opinion, while that

brutal. But when the investigators went over the report there are like. Oh, this was a reach killing yeah and that only made investigators. more towards Russia before eventually, because of the account that they had heard from PAM, get him like threatening to kill her, leads their islands back to us at this point in the evidence, Mcafee House didn't help us out too much either his slippers were found in the closet of the master bedroom with bessys blood, on the tops of them. There blood found on a light switch in the master bedroom and when luminal testing was done on the scene, it showed that someone with on their hands had opened the towel during the kitchen and there wasn't a lot of other areas in the kitchen that showed a lot of luminescence. It was just that kitchen drawer. So is clear somebody somebody then TAT is where yeah they didn't have to open murderers, exact going straight there exactly now the loom-

also showed drops of blood leading to the back patio door. So their suspicion was right. The dog had been in the house and then let out most likely, like that's kind of tat picture, painted so there was not any sign of a break in either and with all those things paired together. All of the suspicion that was already on rest was like, fully handed on Russia. Yeah, I mean you tell me, there's blood on his slippers in the closet and I will now through better light switch. Somebody went to the tolerate too, that drawer yeah to me that doesn't look good at all, slowly, and they also said that they had All these pictures there was a hundred and thirty two pictures taken of this luminous testing that they are done with blue star, but unfortunately the pictures and develop how there was a malfunction and they didn't develop. Oh but Russ was officially arrested on January. Fourth, twenty twelve the day

they after botsey funeral all in his bail, was immediately set at two hundred and fifty thousand dollars which they did not have the money to cover. Look, he didn't know anybody that could help him out without that's a lot of money eke. He was unable to post it, so he had to wait in the county jail for his trial to begin so that would be one year ten months and for ten days spent in jail waiting for this trial. Damn as I and I mean that evidence does look at new, does not arrests. His cousin immediately hired him an attorney Joel Schwartz, who a sap rocky began, sifting through all the details in the evidence in this peace and Schwartz was shocked. That PAM Hop wasn't also being looked into us aspect. He said this The thing I understand why my client is being looked into her shirt. Was this person to her? The evidence is like not awesome, but like Y Y see the only person being looked at. Why are we not investigating the last person who probably saw this person alive?

that's a thing like why we solely focusing on the husband idea, because PAM had at that point made multiple conflicting statements. Again. She was the last person to see pair Betsy alive. She had no alibi for the time that Betsy would have been being killed. Other than driving home nobody could see her and she had just become the beneficiary of Betsy Life insurance. Four days before Betsy was murdered that alone and the lies in the different stories like that. That should give least a little bit of like pop Let's look into this because also then, obviously like we know how it turns out, but it's like Also, how do you know the now working together? Thank you maybe start talking newer and see especially when choosing ahem wearing rattling.

We like area. We need to look at her exacting in my mind. I would look at this and Billy. While she was really shoehorning yourself into buddies life. Aha, like maybe they are working together, maybe they're having some kind of a fair outlining got rid of Betsy sooner you shit, I mean as investigators. They should be thinking this way like any possibility out of the box and being like, like you said, if your really trying to be in this person's life. Maybe there's than else you're trying to get you know and if you're getting the money from this than a huge thing and maybe you're getting the money, because you know you want to move in the house and absolutely that's what I would have thought looking at this right, yeah but you didn't feel that way and for one reason or another, pants clothing was never tested. They know anything her her car wasn't test Ed and then Joel was like. There's all this evidence that they're trying to pin on Russ. Let's look a little further in tall of their fair share. The bloody slippers did not have blood on bottoms of them and there was not any bloody prince from these slippers found at the scene, so when

short saw the slippers for himself. It actually looks like they had been dipped in blood. There was no presence of blood splatter on them. Huh no blood like a! U can google a picture now actually, no blood splatter, just like le large bloodstain on the top of each one, ok so Blood splatter would certainly be present on those most likely and had stopped her fifty five times while wearing though shoes so short was like a guy. and then he turned his attention to the polygraph test. That rests allegedly failed and he wondered why Russia would have been given a polygraph test after having been up for thirty six hours and they knew full well that he had smoked we'd with his friends. That Oh yes, not in his right mind, what kind of examiner would Mr Minister attests to somebody and under those conditions are so he said, hey can I have the audio and video from not polygraph test, and he was told that the video camera was broken.

a warehouse- and not only has the camera broken with the luminous testing on it also broke in with this polygraph test. You rationing, he got a fundraiser growing children with. May you wanna. Should we throw you a gala? Should we do share at Auschwitz? Charity masquerade ball. To get you some cash here. I just need some help. Lies all your shit fallen apart as Riah GO fund me, I'm! No! I'm no expert, but I feel that these things are pretty imperative to an end. Negation and if their literally always failings one might say, get some new shit gets, who share good solution, he was like ok did they do a full polygraph test because that's actually legal, but you need to put a replica report, but it was a foe polygraph, not a real one, and he found no such report and he like asked around here, not so Russen, formed his attorney that he had also offered to take a second polygraph test. He was like you know, my wife had been

murdered. Like thirty six hours before that, I might have been a little nervous. I was still pretty nervous, but I was a no gimme, a second chance for sure and all of the people that he was with that night. His friends were like we'll, take a polygraph, oh wow, but the price accusing attorney Leah, ASCII chaining told them? No, no, no, that's not necessary. We have exactly what we need. So Sorry, people are literally offering up being like this can lit. This can help like I'll, take it colleagues. I will help you in any way you're happy to take the botched failed polygraph as evidence crime, but are you now willing to take people literally offering up to prove an alibi? Nokia Dakota they receive characters because they smoked we'd come on come on. Sir, rests entirely suitable. You son role playing games. There are probably duly dungeons and dragging you at the link. Is it like trail? The trail man tower Elman Talisman talisman is at the root playing game. I dont know

It's probably not trail man, but I would emergence talisman sounds like would be in that. Like John, yeah. I think I was reading, let the games they played. That was one of the media that was unlike important enough to do other than its like sounds like that's what they were doing and I think they actually what they were doing. Rope necessity, that's not like own sweetie that will come back later. They were playing games. Ok, sir, trial began November of twenty thirteen and Leah ASCII Treaty was the prosecutor on the case, and her argument was that Russia had a temper and that he in Betsy fought often because but he's daughters. Testimony did confirm that they did have frequent arguments on other daughter said it was not the Brady Bunch, but you know like arguments.

Then a march, but you know when, when you're gonna, u averred earns its like all yet it when one he was murdered in this evidence. That could point that way. Rather one got at relevant, so Leah, ASCII Cheney believes that the reason there was no blood on Russia's clothing was because he had had sex with but see before, killing her, and she felt this way because during the autopsy they were able to confirm that eight sperm rules had been found in bessys body, so there is also an argument to be set on the other side that sperm counts. In the body for seventy two hours and Russia had said that they were intimate together on Sunday. So this is Tuesday. It makes sense that there still eight sperm and who yeah makes sense, also leg, what a bummer that leg shoe you get murdered and then-

This is the kind of shit that has to be like aired out and yes ox and it's like you need to know like the last time they were intimate together at flakes. Of course you need to know that of its very its relevant, but it just lords really Sox. Are you just like our like man like link? If I passed away, I would not want people to know that we had a lot of time I had so lately, just gotta. I know it's necessary but, like I was going to say again, very relevant to what's going on if it helps serve, you know but ran that's up, but in this when it like really doesn't help because it's like this is not black and white. This is like they could have had sex on Sunday or they like it could have been what we aside like. He had done at one last time for killing her yeah and she said that he was angry with Bessie and he still thought that he was the beneficiary of her life insurance policy, so he was going to kill her and she said that he had been planning this for months with all of those friends from game night, because this would be quoting quote the old

cement world. I knew you were gonna. Go there. That's so fucked up young. She painted a picture for the jury that Russ got. This idea presented it to all of his friends and they were all in They were like, let's roll play, murdering your wife, what the fuck, so I just don't like when they bring that shit into, and it's like, I'm sorry like any. Dungeons and dragons player. That, I know, is a lovely person uncle Billy Uncle Billy hello. How are you gonna Uncle Billy? I did roleplaying stuff in high school so, like I was all about that shit. I can that's shitty It's a link to put that directly because that's what they like to do in their leisure, exactly ah what a beautiful feeling right in my ear caught

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make sex with her to quoting quote control her one last time now, once he killed her, she said he took a shower, got all the blood off of him changed into those clothes urge back into the closet, who had been wearing let the dog out when he saw TAT. The dog had made the pauper non hurling, got him away from the body, quickly cleaned up and called nine one one, and when he was on the phone with nine one when she said that he realized his slippers had blood on them. So he tossed them in the closet, not realising that he had left blood on the lights which, in the process and dirt all of that before he called nine when one one of his friends came back with his phone and a receipt from Arby's that he tossed in the car, so it would look like he had this perfect alibi. Ok, it's a good argument at the part of that is a good arguments. because some of it some of that, unlike our aim yeah, that could have one hundred percent happen. My main thing here is like the and slick. What's their role besides, just like being re, bear bullying

like your blue you're, saying they all planned this together, but it doesn't sound like the front. The friends are just like bring it back to you and get some Arby's to us. Now get your Marbella by like that's. Why would they agree to link that's a weird it's because robots like he would be like I'm, Get a murder, my ailing wife, and you guys are just gonna, buy some Arby's for me and they were like yellow sounds great that's not! No! No, I'm not I'm! You feel that way. I don't see that one. I M very glad you felt because Russia's lawyer felt that way too, he was stunned at how far fetched that part of it well yeah. I've heard this doesn't connect for me because she had just implicated for people in a murder case where they were only prosecuting one person re it, and I was the case. Why would they not be probably prosecuting the other three people as fuckin like,

a detachment list of crying what a lower. What am I doing up? Accomplices attachment to the crime metallic? It's a pdf inward. You making an attempt should in charge it as being an attachment to a crime weaken. It will. it's in your your literally making up a narrative for them, you're saying that they stopped at Arby's, they didn't you have no proof of the re. Have a camera it's that says that link. Why is it? Well, that's the everything I'm like armies definitely has a security catches, bullshit in say it was them unless you have something about you bring out received so when they don't have any, because they didn't even bother to map out all the towers that sell that Russia cellphone would have paint they didn't have not done their scene. that's a sloppy. They also didn't look into PAM cellphone activity that might either get the fact that their straight up and ignoring this woman tunnel vision is really wild symbiotic has again. If you are now here in here, The thing you have implicated freely under me. Who are just

lay in d by all accounts right no actual physical or even circumstantial evidence to suggest that they weren't now, except for you being like. Oh, they offered you your polygraph, so they brought in like and one of the men there. That night was actually like somebody's nephew and they were like. I read this really great article that I'm gonna Lincoln monsieur notes and the woman who wrote it was like: why would they random guys nephew be like yeah totally. I just showed appear for game night. Let me help you murder. Why? Right? That's a league, So there's that to your you're ready to implicate these, for you know, roleplaying do dudes no reason without any evidence, but there is ample evidence to suggest that PAM Hub is at the very least, fuck up with her relationship to Betsy yeah and has lied, been caught. Indifferent stories has motive being the beneficiary of the newly change Insurance, and you are not willing to think that? Maybe they teamed up

TED you're, going to say that he teamed up with four of his dean DE friends to do it for ya Why does not make sense? Why? Wouldn't you just do the same shit you're doing these guys? Do it too PAM exactly I'll, just claim that she stopped at Arby's and shit like just bit like make that whole thing right You at least have a little more to go on honestly you'd, probably get further with that one new library. I sure she did. It spoke thing tat you would get further, but they never buy there to look in tiny, fairly Y. All now, luckily, Schwartz hide. The idea like, let's bring a fucking spurred into who can map out, not palms, because we can't get her phone. We can at least get russet like phone pings yeah, He brought in Gregg Chattin of Forensic computer services, who is an expert. And he testified that at nine twenty five Pm Russell phone was ten miles from his home.

phone showed that here I've come at nine, thirty, seven and called police at nine. Forty, ok, which is, and forty okay, which is perfect like that time in short, said Russ would have had nine minutes to do everything that the prosecution had laid out nine minutes and because, PAM had quoting quote no direct connection to the case. Schwartz was not able to bring up the fact that her phones locations that night had never been mapped out. He was not able to prevent the life insurance pay out to her as a possible motive for her to kill, Betsy or anything that would have implicated her as the killer, because Leah Cheney made it so that he could not bring any of those things out because they weren't looking for other possible suspects. This was Russell.

I'll while yeah that's wild cause. It's like. I can understand why Russia was like TAT. I can understand why a trial happened lately. They could even you know the fact that he didn't know that he wasn't. The beneficiary anymore is not great for him because, like you, It makes it look like you, they had trying to get them. I had some financial stuff going on heathen mentioned, like we have a roar scarred here. I'm I'm frugal soil we go there like in our pay out would have been a change, so get why that is at least a thought, and everyone should totally understand that you gotta look at him You got on alone. This is maybe it I'm not saying they arm to saying like they should have looked at it ass, a team, at least at the very least. Least, but also, how would this man of murder of murder

his wife and not a single shred of his wife's dna on. Well, that's yeah! That's nothing that shocking what it's like. I don't think he had like a hazmat to know. Probably not they didn't find one but like said, like a short, was unable to bring up anything. That would have pointed a pan of US aspects, but he did file for emotion to ask her about the life insurance. While the jury was out of the room, because at the very least like the judge slowly, but it didn't really matter because married and got to hear about it and PAM had a doctor sign off that she was unable to do a polygraph test because of that random medical condition. That was never named and it affected her memory and she didn't, when it was called, she was gonna notice. It affects my memory nationally. She also remember what it's called shows is that it would bring in time that it was menopause. That was the reason why her memory of so fucked up, which like fair but like that's? U can testify about that-

that can't you can ok. I want our matter like I'm sorry that doesn't justify murder. It's like its truly mind, Let it be so sure you didn't do a polygraph should into any of that when she got asked about the life insurance money. The jury is out of the room, so it literally does it matter and when, shorts asked her in front of the jury about her multiple inconsistency. She just blamed not memory loss, oh wow. This is a convenient medical gnats, create issue in his closing argument, Schwartz till the jury that no this actually wasn't arranged killing, it was set up to look like one. He reminded them that there were no irregularities in the stab wounds here reminded him that his client had an alibi and that the timeline the prosecution he's trying to set up simply wouldn't have been possible in they. Just

fucking made it up? They literally junk mail. It up that, like I carefully Riesling made up, so they were allowed to just conjecture about what up and break and like they literally like just like pulled it out, like I understandably theorizing about what could have happened, a war but involving people who are on trial in conjecturing that they had a very heavy handedness with no evidence to that fact at all is like really wild and how is that not defamatory? That's, unlike how were you allowed to do that and you get away with not just wait men but the jury. A lot of them on the on the jury. Alot of people said you know it just seemed weird to us that he had that air tight alibi and made so many.

ops and we can't get asked that I get it and then they have all this evidence. I do I get it. I wouldn't be able to say their way, so they deliberated for four and a half hours and when they came back, they convicted Russ of first degree murder wound with that. He was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for the murder of his own life. Holy shit and PAM Up got her money. I would have honestly thought there was gonna, be like a Hungary. I don't think I I resolutely think so. With all of that I understand, why they were looking at in saying I can't one gender I will says you didn't do it, but I wouldn't Like I also can't one hundred percent aid but they're saying they have all this luminous test in like they testifying, you know like the camera to develop, but like I'm an officer and I'm testifying to you, have I say all this with my own. I know I can see why that would sway people, but like me, I would really guy can't sign off on this. I can't say beyond reasonable doubt either way. No, of course not.

And that's where we're going around But produce coming like ISA, parties literally coming, like properly to borrow, lay so you'll have to I have left, I have so much to tell you in a man links in it. So sad, it's suicide because Orban, nobody winds, accept PAM, that's the thing in like what the why? The hell did she get to win? She? Doesn't she doesn't spoiler, I think you could realise, but she had no, she better, not part tooth come in, so we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it, but not only than any of them is yours not so, where the unifying

you shut up and bring like for random deeds and murdered round. My reason.