Sadly, the person's running executive branch is a deranged unhinged dangerous. the United States and a number of days until we can be proud, did from him but he has done something so serious. there should be prosecution against him. Well, I gather that the twenty fifth amendment is off the table and isn't nothing is off the table. Nothing is off the table. Clothes a second trump impeachment now on the fast track and the house as we get new information and new video from LA two weeks, horrendous attack on the capital good morning and welcome to morning, Joe it is Monday January. Eleventh, five days after the attack on the capital. We continue to learn more about what action happened there. Remember

video of an office are being chased and attacked and then running up, stairs being chased by pro from rioters. We I believe that this officer Single handedly led them away from the Senate Chambers, where the full Senate, including the president, inside, you can see as they reached. the stairs. He looks over and income in between those two chairs is the Senate chambers. He pushes one protesters to get him to follow him away. from the door eventually leading them away from the Senate Chamber and here is new video that emerged this past week. End of the chilling events, a warning to all viewers that this video Disturbing.

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enable barricaded the door turned out the lies. And were silent in the dark under the table on the table for two and a half hours during time they listen to the invaders banging on that door, as you can hear, on a recording from one of the staffers phone May I be eyes investigating whether any of the agitators some scene and ballistic vests with zip ties intended. a kidnap or kill legislators, or there staffers. They coming to find you made me to hurt you. I don't know. The evidence is now that that, was a well planned Organize group with leadership and guidance and direction and the direction was to go, get people

were vocally sang where's, the speaker. We know she s staff there here someplace will find them let's be very clear about this was well organised, was organized online, there is the goal of killing Nancy policy There was the goal of killing my pants. For that gather you have this mob, that's focusing on the cap. Attaining the head of our key institutional government, gold. They kill the number two and then three leaders, two and three constitutional officers in the United States of America, and it was presently stated. We also found out this weekend. Of course, while Donald Trump was well seeing this. He was. He was curious. He was confused. Nothin

all hell was breaking lose at the Centre of american democracy, but that more. people around him warders excited as he was at the chaos that was going on it's been sat, said all ports from inside the White House, the senator said the Donald Trump was delighted excited while he was watching the capital riot Careworn and lets us Let's call this what this is. Okay, I said said a couple weeks ago: we we need is just start going by definitions, K. Alright, let's stop trying to figure out what Donald Trump is what is idea he's a fascist, I said, well before this happened encourages violence, and this is year I saw em, not can even say your name, rider that I've known for some time and respected

but one writer said the Donald Trump turned back Donald Trump say turned even darker: you know that that would be kind of hard for Nancy Policy and other people, sites have been threatened over the past four five years to decide it down. From just turned batter. Why don't we talk about what he said during the campaign when he kept talking about violence, the Fascists leader does remember in August when he talked about second amendment solutions that if we wanted to stop Hillary Clinton from getting alighted and appointing Supreme Court justices that there does from said there were many in the crowd, picketing, engage and second amend solutions. I rode at the time of the Washington Post, two thousand sixteen, the Donald Trump once again crossed a bloody line and time there was no coming back from it that the report, what is needed to drop him as there, as their nominee for president before so

Thing tragic happened, but they continued letting him do this after Charlottesville talking about enemies of the people praising congressmen for beating up reporter who had just asked a question about health care constantly glorifying violence who does is who does is just stood there and they have throughout history, Mussolini reading them biography. What did he do? He would go out. He would, speeches and why the top of of of anything you read about Mussolini he rose. power by inspiring people to go and attack and invade Trash government buildings in ITALY. and this was we're going to show you bit of in fact I'd enough. We have right now do we do we have a little bit of Arnold sorts and eight years is very pat. Arnold sorts and Agar born in Austria

two years after the end of world war. Two talking about how we grew up with Ok man who believe Hitler's lies. I was one lie: stacked on top of another lie stacked on top of another lie and those men believe those lies and they, Austria and Germany paid the ultimate price for it. Here is good source and agar. I grew up in Austria, very aware of Christie marked with a night of class. He was of rampage against a choose carried out in nineteen. Thirty, eight that the nuts equivalent the proud boys, It was the day of broken gas right here in the United States. From Europe. I've seen first hand how things can spin out of control I know there is a view in this country and all over the world This could happen right here.

I believe it is, but I do believe that Here we have the dire consequences of selfishness and cynicism out. As he has been tampered, was in justice and insurrections. I believe a shaken as we are by the events of recent days. We will come. Stronger because we now understand with, can be lost. we do understand that, but is Governor Schwarzenegger said We now know, as we always have now, who Donald Trump is. He has revealed himself and he we'll be driven from the public square. He will lose relevance. He will be chased by process As for the rest of his life, so far, the Tec Community and the Gulf Community has chased him away, we'll see what the actual justice of our country. Yes, but the question is what about haven't Mccarthy a guy who actually inspired these trade.

with his seditious words, what about Jim Jordan is getting the presidential metal of freedom from Donald Trump forever did basing that ask ask people who Actually wrestled, with him as a coach, I was in college whether he deserves anything You you look at Josh Holly. You look TED Crews, who, just a few days before this act. Shouted we are not going to go quietly don Rob talking about. We have to strong? We can't be weak March up to they, till DAWN Junior talking about we're coming to get you wear, coming they get you and it's going to be fine. Rudy Giuliani, talking about

Bad justice combat justice and There are some sad perfect. human beings continued. A lie to you on other cable news that works Can we convince you that All of those red hats. all of those red hats. Are there, members of antique I'll, tell you what's the largest gathering of Antifa in american history with all those red hats I didn't know proper work because law force and officers are saying that people that their arresting most of the people that you ve seen on your television screen over the past week? They have deep ties in the trunk community now this is the face. Donald Trump. This is then natural conclusion Donald Trump. In two thousand fifteen December, two thousand fifteen, when we set on their show when AID

try to push a muslim ban where this, What is this Nazi, Germany, origin Is Germany and nineteen? Thirty three well here we are Five years later and a guy that spending the fascist, increasing violence to his supporters. Begging his supporters. to engage in violence against the media, and here we salmon, gauging and violence against the media, like Donald Trump, has been asking them to do for five years engaging in violence against his political opponents and to kill Manzi pillows in going they killed like a guy who still I dont they deserve the present the United States make up. This is this is why every tech company does what Facebook should have now, is going to happen. This is on them. This is twitter should have now who's gonna happen this is on them. This is on every media company.

has promoted his hate speech, every media company new media company that has, as pushed every tweeted the sixty million people it's on all of us. It's on all of us, but it especially on Facebook Twitter now poor, and all of those companies that allowed these conspiracy theories to spread to speak like like vicious cancel till I get well like a vicious cancer across the merit and political system, and my friends. And some of your friends I believe the lies why? Because they wake up in the morning. They turn on Facebook. they wake up in the morning. They look at their twitter feed. They wake up in the morning and they look at sea crank by on cable news channel who was riding the lies from parlor Facebook,

our twitter, and that is their reality. They were put down their bibles right. they don't read their bibles anymore. They now read Facebook. They don't worship, Jesus Christ, any more. you can tell by their actions. Jesus I judge by its fruits. Okay will look at those images. And they worship Donald Trump. And their bible is now what they read in the can. piracy theories on Facebook, And on twitter people don't meagre everybody bag, Facebook and twitter for five years. They control this man back them for five years. They didn't do it. This is what and this will have a mark Zuckerberg it happened, Cheryl sandberg- I hope it was. That I hope your billions were worth it Jack jack I hope wherever you're lying,

of crossing your lag is doing, yoga are taking an ice bathroom. My bath opens up. There is worth it The blood of these gaps, oil cops dad Sir and Donald Trump these deaths or on Josh Holly. The Santa Cruz. These deaths, though screaming that pain. all of that is on you, on the top Republican and how representatives who continues That's Maui, saying now we say: let's just put this all behind this: that's just what does all behind us and come together is now no I understand it may be hard for some Republicans on Capitol Hill I understand this, but justice. Under the law. Comes first

Land then reconciliation, let's bring in former Eu Us attorney now and NBC News law enforcement and less chalk Rosenberg. Former? U S attorney for the northern district of Alabama and Emerson BC, legal Analyse, Joyce Fans and NBC News. Correspondent covering national security and intelligence can Delaney in the APC and the mayor and Embassies Casey Hunt are with us as well Joe Jog, your what? What do we have is for its responsibility for the rioters, responsibility for people like Rudy Giuliani. inciting them by talking about marching up the hill and engaging in combat justice done junior talking about we're coming after you, if you don't support my daddy, we're coming for you and it's going to be fine in origin I think there's a lot of people who can be charge and I understand the desire for swift justice. Theirs can value. That's really important here too, which is thorough justice, meaning as quickly

We want to move because these people are dangerous and these people are vile and these people are criminals. We also want I am sure that we understand all of what happened. Who said what what hardest things- and I know Joyce noses. any criminal cases to prove intent and by the way, those things We were just talking about twitter and Facebook, the platform These criminals used to advance their cause will also be a terrific source of evidence offer process. there's an investigators so as quickly as I hope we move we move with alacrity. We also need to make sure that we get the right people for the right crimes in the right way, and that takes a little more time. I'm okay with that guy. This needs to come down very very hard and what happened? It was not just a crime but awry not just a riot but an insurrection. In so doing it I am doing quickly is a value here. Joe

hard thing. It, as you say, is proven tent. I wonder how many of the people Joyce fans will say: that the reason they storm the capital was to answer two Donald Trump and to answer Calls of these people take a look, Quietly into the night we need to march on the capitol today we are going to take our country back we're coming for you and we're going to have a good time doing it so I've tried by combat you'll, never take back. our country with weakness. You they show strength, we're gonna, walk down and I'll be there with. You were gonna, walk down to Capital so joy those people then Wednesday. The capital and storm did rioted it ransacked it vandalized. It killed people and stole things

it going to be really that hard to proven ten water that the challenge is moving ahead for accountability, This is such an unprecedented situation. It is so difficult because we all know that in the court of public opinion, it's a rare instance where the public watched the potential crime in progress. We know what happened no, that there was in essence and effort to light a fire and that that fire caught and ended up on Capitol Hill and the cut to the chase Question maker is whether people who, gauging speech at the top people who spoke to the crowd and encourage them. Are they legally legally responsible for all of the consequences and, as Chuck says, that comes on the issue of intent this sounds a little bit cold and Dickie one we're thinking about wednesdays events? It seems so obvious that people should be held accountable and there's there's no doubt that in a political

ants and in a very real human. Since we know that those words have meaning. Just like we watched the president taught in advance of the efforts to had not governor winner in Michigan and his words, meaning, and so the quest Whether investigators will be able to prove related. jump into the minds of these people who spoke Wednesday and determine was their intent to impose violence on the capital, and here I think, is most important question: theirs. Was to be little doubt in my mind that the intent was to stop or interfere with the final evaluation of the electoral college vote for Joe Biden and if, in fact, evidence developed that a group of people conspired agreed whatever steps necessary to prevent that from happening. That will be the most important area for investigators to push on like says we need to know what the ongoing risk scar, who was involved what they had planned and then we

the whole all of them accountable, and we The clear purpose was kinda Laney to interfere with a constitutional requirements. Counting the electoral votes, and we know that Donald Trump had circle that date, along with golf caddy and without videos for weeks saying circle the day January, the sex it's going to be wild, they wanted, interrupt the vote. Count they incited those people they did. They did interrupt the vote count. but its ensuing can offer the dust settled. You had Happily whole cops and other saying: oh, we we, we never saw them coming. We have found out now that vat, was the lie. The New York Times have laid out several things this morning, but you We're reporting this weekend that they, the Catholics, please we're getting warnings. From

variety of sources, some even outside the state my job, I wasn't as the capital police in the forty eight hours after this happened, a number of officials said, including there head of the FBI's Washington Field Office on Friday said. We have no indication that this would be anything other than a peaceful protest. The deasey ways Chiefs, that on Thursday, we had no intelligence that anyone who is going to storm the capital where, NBC News had reported last week about postings talking about a conspiracy to occupy the capital. It was obvious to all of us that wasn't true the things that those people are saying: we're not angry unwell. Finally, over the weekend, a senior FBI official told us that, in fact, the B. I didn't know that there were people planning, violence and then, in fact, FBI agents actually reached to some extremist or on their radar. That

They call the knock and talk. They went to visit some of these people who they think we're planning to travelled DC and they said, if you do this, we're gonna arrest, you and so on Stop some of those people and that's good. but that raises the question of ok, then why didn't you put out an intelligent bolt and why did you make sure that the capital was defended? Merely The capital police is justifiably taking a lot of blame for this carry failure. Here they did not have a defensive perimeter. They did not have offered deployed in right here, but the cat. Oh, please is not responsible for for stopping of domestic terrorism. The United States to the FBI is So why did the FBI disrupt this well they're telling us now that had no intelligence about an organised plot. and, as you said, the New York Times laying out evidence this morning. There was lots of organization. Here there were lots of conspiracy, talk on social media and that's really he's in questions about? Did the ep?

I see this. If not, why not? And I'm really glad we have Joyce and Chuck here, because we can talk about this issue of there is no domestic terrorism law does that can drain, the FBI from looking at certain social media postings, clear, it doesn't when people are openly calling for violence, but the failure here is really a collective failure and a federal government failure, not one of a capital police force of two thousand people whose job is to the facility and the lawmakers others pony blame to go around their job. I'm a regime of the F B. I actually scour every corner of the internet and any information that they can get to protect us against Al Qaeda. To protect us against attacks from ISIS. Got rednecks on parlor on Facebook, on on Twitter, saying coming. They kill MIKE Pair we're coming. They kill Nancy Policy and the F B. I can't figured that out

I don't buy it. FBI leadership needs to come to the hill and explain why had the wherewithal to go out and warn people not to be part of the mob that was going to ransacked the capital, but they could think a day or two ahead of time to actually protect the perimeter of the cap, here is another Jonathan Almira during the attack, we kept it we're Donald Droplets. Why Donald Trump wasn't saying anything about? this attack Capitol Hill policemen being murdered other, bull dying in the crowd? Well, been SAS gave us the reason why, in a radio interview over the weekend Take a lesson

Donald Trump want there to be massive division and he was telling people there was a path by which he was going to stay in office after January twentieth. That was never true and he wanted chaos on television, as this was unfolding on television. Donald Trump was walking around the White House confused about why other people on his team were excited, as he was, as you had rioters, pushing against capital police trying to get into the building that's happening. He was delighted. And then we know he didn't even call pants, I mean what is the situation between Trump and pants right now and what is this? Wasn't the present jobs and Le Maire. Wouldn't these people all be in custody. The southern assassins reporting lines up with ours in the present of course spoke at the rally fuel the violence at the capitol. He indeed returned to the White House after say he would join the protesters, then turned riders, the Kapital he returned to the White House.

Actually, events unfold on tv and his privates dining room off of the oval office. Why there the phone calls he made we're not to the as president, they were not to call in for security, but rather too senators dissenters, Lee Interoperable, pushing for their there support in his efforts to overturn the electoral college. We report that others are the last few days that was his primary concern. He indeed was wondering why others on his staff didn't think this. a good move, a good development for him. He had to be pushed that afternoon, take that video that was released on Twitter and what she asked the riders to go home, mind you he also ad lib that he loved the riders and that they were. He was with them in Spirit, Ito ADA, when of course, we know that the next day he had to be pushed by aids to do that heavily edited heavily scripted video and what finally acknowledged his defeat in the election. Condemned that violence he and the vice president have not spoken since Wednesday, parliament

has not checked on the vice president, weird quarter reporting. The vice president is furious. with the president say I'm wondering how this house loyalty could be repaid like this, while trap, of course, is still holding a grudge. The vice president did try to decertify Joe Biden victories and they, of course the vice president couldn't do we would that it took until yesterday I'll say it again. It took until yesterday for the White House to lower its flag to half staff at a tribute to the cabin a police officer who die. in this riot, while federal Billy's across washing had done so days before this is a person who has shown no effort to unify no effort to quell to condemn the violence outside of that one take video no effort is to tell US supporters to not do this again is raised warnings that there may be fruitful tax, potentially even at the inauguration. He is focused now is still believing He won this election, despite what he said probably and be

furious that he can no longer tweet about it. And refusing day after day to lower the flags over the White House for the capital we'll Cobb, who murdered by him, supporters, let me say it again: the capital Cobb, who was murdered by supporters? And so here we have a politician demagogue, fascist. it went around for the past four years, talking about law and order. inspired his followers to go up to the Centre of american democracy. Commit a riot more. police officers then refuse to lower the flag, because he's angry that they arrive, doing their job. in speaking of that angry, so angry that, courage the mob to go after my pants there. going

on the hill to murder. Mike pants, well. That was going on Donald Trump, call. My parents to see alley was doing well, pincers life was in danger here telling the mob to back off now he was again is The senator Senator Venza said he was delighted by the virus let's just like Mussolini or Hitler would be here delighted by the attack x against the law enforcement officers who were defending America's by the way I heard over at the end of last week, just actual absolute horrible arguments, For how this was just like this summer, ned that well well these leftists didn't care about convenience stores being alluded in this year. You really going to compare the union's store being loaded

to the Centre of american democracy being stormed and the second and the third ranking members targeted from ardor. Think of your loot, convenience store, you should go to jail, I think that's a crime, I think, if you break into the United States Capital City, they kill. Members of Congress and the top ranking Americans, that's treason, aright. You need to be arrested for above, and those arrests need to start at the top of Donald Trump I bit by bit, but make it my pants. As a reason to be angry Donald Trump all those people who go up and go after my hence, which is why we have video the people going through the hall where's pan. Where's pants and while the Present saw that unfolding on television and do my pencil life. Was in danger,

he was calling senators. Trying to use this violence to lobby them to vote overturn, action where a hunter forty million people vote We are not the Kurds, the garden. We. I had a lighted candle Rosenberg on my part, the youth. I talk with people who, Sir with integrity and honour men and who led the way this week for head of the Guantanamo Review taskforce battles. The initial idea of Guantanamo was ill conceived, that there could be sort of a legal black hole where we could all detainees and it remains a problem in our history. I think from a counter terrorism perspective join me first and for the earth and MSNBC podcast search, wherever you listening right now and subscribe, who episodes every Wednesday but kept this video

because I'd like to ask Casey Hunt about it in terms of where republican stand on Capitol Hill, we stand that in a boat for impeachment is being worked up that I guess there was no more no word on the twenty fifth amendment being invoked, which will put that aside for a second, dare I the game. What if this were a Democrat we wouldn't even be? you're right now, but this wasn't a democrat, This was Donald Trump, who plays to be a republican president, who is a fascist who is now the terrorist, whatever this is a terrorist organisation. Who is our president? So I'd like to know what publicans still plan to vote for this war years, always look at the american flag, I mean I, I thought guys using the american flag to somebody why, when its ragging on the floor That was why isn't that

oh and cap, or lack any disrespect flag by kneeling flag is a sacred thing. You only but they're using an american flag to beat put these officers and the people. on the ground. So what Republicans Casey Hunt plan to vote against? peach, meant a president who incites this. Who is going Stay on this side of history and have this, on their legacy for the rest of their lives and for four I to come we more Republicans in the house, then you might think watching this horrible video the one thing I will say meagre, there was at least one member of the House Republican Conference who voted to overturn the electoral college results. Now because they believed that job Odin had not won the election, but because had seen what unfolded and they were afraid for their

own personal safety and the personal safety of their family, that if they voted against President Trump, something terrible, would come and happened to them and while I am not trying to cues. Anyone who voted to overturn the election results. I think that that your scores that the degree of danger that we are all in as a country right now that people are so afraid that it's actually effect the decisions that are being made in a place that was just overrun by a violent mob. Now there are still a lot of questions about what's gonna happen over the course of the next week. Mcconnell is essentially sang the process. Well, it's I can't speak it's gonna be slow enough, that it will be chuck tumor and Vice President Biden that will have to excuse me. President Biden once he has sworn in, who are actually to deal with this. But I

can tell you that, while, yes, we ve talked a lot about private conversations but pat to me in public said yesterday the needs to resign? We some rakowski, has the president needs to resign. Ben SAS has said you, son, articles of impeachment? I will take look at it, this is a situation that is growing more and more. I think that diet by the day and sometimes the sometimes something happens and the people. six of its trend, torn com trend towards ok, what we got through this tough moment and now we're going to all kind of retreat to our corners and and and the normality of of whatever usually drives people's decision making is what comes to the forefront that do not believe is what is happening here and we are reporting this out. It is a very fast moving thing, but this video they came out over the weekend mean they are terrifying and Joe was saying that you're, the present United States

You have my pants Nancy pause, and chuck rashly the next three people who are supposed to lead our government all in that building present in the United States sending people down there and then chanting, My parents say where's Nancy people with zip ties. Looking as though I mean that The reality is, we narrowly avoided something far far worse and the others I would say to is that we are those initial videos there were concerns about the capital police actions. When you some context to what, especially that one officer did, and I think nobody, to put him in danger. Histories, gonna, remember his name, we're not gonna, say it on the air this morning, but he stood in None of that mob and african american police officer. Those of us who work in the capital have said hello. To him a thousand times he's a lovely man he was, all by himself in the hallway and while initially fuel could everyday or maybe it looks like he's running away. What actually happen,

was he looked to his left? He saw the doors, the Senate Chamber, George, the Senate Chamber were unguarded and we later learned that they actually still unlocked when this happened. So he looks left. He sees that he looks at the mob and then he shoves one of the protesters we met. Angering them will get them to focus on him and then he runs the other way and he takes that mob with him. we were, a minute away from these protestors? getting onto the floor of the United States Senate and doing God knows what to the heart. Of our democracy. That is how close we came. Just let me tell you, you know, like I said, we're still report we don't know what's going to happen in terms of process, we don't know, what's going to happen. the President Donald Trump If you are one of those members of the Senate, you know Now, even more than you did on Wednesday, just how close. You came to something really really terrible. And ass? He goes out that airs air. That's where

move them away, moving them away from the Senate, oh Their looks down there starts to block them and then gets a map. Socialism gets a mad and get some to follow him. movie camera moving that mob. All of them should be in jail she's for as long as you can put them in jail and move them away, not only from this Chamber entrance had descended chamber but also where he gets back up. so Chuck Chuck rose One of the mechanics of impeachment, even after President leaves office. I'm I'm thinking that the House of representatives are going the most equally vote to impede the president this week,

it's gonna, be entering to see what Republicans decides they're going to remain on the present side. But I know they were, but then What are the mechanics as it goes to the Senate, and the new term after vines already present break question Joe, and it's actually, I think, a really interesting answer. So the cat situation in silent on whether you still have to be an office in order to be impeachment. Logically, you would think you would, but We have some historical precedent in eighteen, seventy six, you listen, grant, was president and his Secretary of WAR was a guy named Bell, nap and Bill Nap was doing all sorts of awful things, including taking graph Taking money living up, pretty lavish lifestyle for a small government salary and he was about impeached when he resigned as secretary of war, and that did not stop there representatives from impeaching him they were head and did it and then who

tried in the Senate out of office, I blew the Senate but nevertheless, this Bell Map of chapter from our history tells us that Trump candy impeached. and can be tried in the Senate even after it leaves office, and here why there is a sin: then penalty that a lot of people don't think about all the time. We know that if you were convicted in the Senate having been in each them ass, your room. from office, but the Senate, levy, a second penalty which is too forever disk. qualified to forever bar somebody, who's, impeached and convicted from ever holding office again? And if you could defeat said, if you get that that simply by resigning you would sort of makes whole thing a novelty, and that does make sense so to Europe. Joe Trump, can be peached in that house, he can be fix it in the Senate. If you have enough votes,

and he can be barred subsequently from ever holding office again federal office, if the Senate so decides, and so you can page too and convicted. In my view, after you office, and not only that, I think, is appropriate because we to condemn. In strongest possible terms what happened and what the president and one way of condemning it, of course, is a criminal justice process. We talked about that earlier, but another of condemning it is by impeaching. This man make him the first person ever to be impeach twice, and I hope they can victim and I hope them. They bore him,

ever from holding federal office, hey Guys, Willie, guys tier, reminding you to check out the Sunday sit down podcast on this week's episode. I get together with Emmy Award winner Rachel Brosnan hand to talk about the return of her hit series. The marvelous MRS Measle, taking on her first starring role than a major movie and what life has been like during quarantine, including a lack of survivor reruns. You can listen to our full conversation. Right now on the Sunday sit down, podcast, get it for free wherever you download yours Kendall, I mean what are you working on this week? I obviously an extraordinary extraordinarily bit that Bessie Way, but I know you really do again and what are you digging into this week?. We'll go out, we ve been Talking Joe Biden has selected diplomat William burns to be his neck CIA director, so that

something I'm gonna be spending some time on digging into, but in terms of what we're talking about here in this in this riot in this insurrection, I think there still a lot of questions about what intelligence the FBI, the tomorrow, of homeland security. Even a paragon had gathered, what signs and indications there were that there were, violence that there was a conspiracy that people were walking and travelling and had flexible and weapons did not pass that on to the capital police to the DC police, that still really been question an unknown here. Why there was no intelligence Bolton. I mean these agencies put out. The Balkans, for almost everything and their theirs. each day goes by Joe. We see more more information that was postponed social media in the and days before this event, showing intent of these people to do harm? to target members of Congress to attack the capital

people would argue. This was a domestic terrorism plot and had this been an Al Qaeda plot? First of all, I think these people have gotten past their home airports, but secondly, if they had succeeded, we'd all be asking questions about. Why the I missed it I think we should ask the same questions here. I cannot agree more enjoys vance and most important pressing question outside of Washington DC. How many? it's all l a ban would be. Well, I know this spread is only eight, but I'm a lot more optimistic than that Joe. I I think Alabama gonna crush and it'll be a role tied kind of day, Okay, you are far more optimistic than MI. Sermons looks incredible. I think it's going to be a good game, I'm really looking forward to it going to be exciting life Joyce. Thank you! So much chuck. We always appreciated KEN. Thank you as well. CS as its goal. to be a truth reckoning

for all those who stood by offended the president? Why he, while he lied to Americans chief content, also forms median editor. Forbes Randal Lane joins us with his latest peace. In? U S national editor at the final we'll times. Worse joins us as well Randall there are certain patriots who We are concerned about going into the administration, and I speak, and people like general matters general economic master go down the list of quite a few, very talented people. who, who followed The advice and people like Doktor presents gay Gay sue, who said to me and said that many others, we only have one president at a time we have to do Anything when General Haven said this time and again we have to do everything we can do to make this president succeed

that's not who you're talking about in this article. Are you know just talking to the top press officers of people paid by the people to communicate to the people, What were you know? You guys been talking at the last thirty minutes, atrocities on Wednesday that foundation that built on bad actors are emotion bottom line to build on five years of the area of lying in the last few months that the idea again the election stolen. Somehow the system is rigged, even though we have fifty one individual The election systems, the idea that Olaf's was actually a landslide victory and if we're gonna go forward. If we're going to have never again we're colleges, reckoning actually gonna have a national research. We have to understand that the standards of truth, because that that entails

As the danish patrimony famously said, everyone's entitled their own opinions it for it makes Amerika great, but we have to agree a basic tasks We'll lose in moving forward on this narrative. This would be a large swathes of people who would have to be held accountable. Who promulgated Trans lies Yes, it would by the way, I just like to applaud this sure to buy Randal. I think it's exactly the kind of steely I just quince. Imposing that is needed in this system is to defend itself The system is to emerge from this unprecedented crisis, I'm in individuals who have been there aiding and abetting and disseminating? very dark propaganda as though we live in an autocracy,

out of the last four years has not been the white. the presidential system democracy, our democracies behave to blast out propaganda and lies, and those who Now claiming that they either, you know all along what, but we're just restrainingly president or else Somebody was would have been in that place all that. They weren't, ready therefrom that they were just them. They would so the passing through they can be allowed to get away with it, with wriggling off their accounts, energy This very, very dark propaganda stick, send a flood, so many Americans have been subjected to and clearly believe. It's got to be. I'm of consequences, so I applaud this initiative. This is how liberal democracy differ. itself.

Randal laying Jonathan mirrors, where this with AP and has a question for you. Jonathan. Randal we saw the video short time ago about their capital police officers, heroism turning the mob away from the Senate chamber there. Another videos that kind last couple of days, some really harrowing images, probably to graphic to Show- on television, including when it off The discharge has weapons striking someone as a group of writers. this close to breaking down a door where law makers were hang on the other side. It seems like, as each day we get from further from tragedy. It gets worse and I think the consequences feel more real, we're seeing with your effort, but also with them operations. Now trying to step away from this saying that they won't donate to political figures, Republicans who have tried to clean the election results were not we'll Mary on others, saying that they will no longer work with these leaders.

Said the Joe Biden didn't went, who supported this effort? How far do you think this will go? What sort of consequences? What new chapter, potentially a party to be facing, or is this something where the cynical take would be to see a few months back to normal business as usual, I think what we are seeing is the marketplace of ideas and uses a free mark. When you have private I believe, in force or a private company, but are product is reliable information, and so what we are saying is we're not Ok, that every tromp official we're not even talking about everyone on the product from we're talking about these top press secretaries, the shot spices, her telling us all, that is the biggest crowded to use a migration ever killing Conway who was data de facto prosecutor, an alternative facts, the Sarah Greece Andrews who again was lying at scale, Kelly making any who even right now I mean just ever. Their mouth and at every time, but what were seen or people

pay by the government and telling things to the government that simply untrue. That us. I can see you know as we put out a product and reliable information wherever they go and again anybody know. This is not cancel culture there framework wherever they want. I wish them well in their life, they have shown that they cannot be trusted for private companies to take the information they do, but they are reliable, now, she's. Putting what's a notice that You know we are a private company. We, believe. In truth, the entire country needs a region where we agree on facts and people who don't respect that I understand that, with our going forward. You know why at loose You know: you're a street better than I do, but During the rise of of Hitler, you buy way? We can draw the analogies

as far as we can, we can talk about this being nineteen, thirty three! We can do that a lot of businesses the german corporations saw him where's the a clown, they bacterium, cause. They thought he was going to be a bulwark again, Communism The rise of communism across Europe. Socialism we ve seen a lot of businesses a lot of sea owes a lot of the world's richest people lot of America's richest people back Donald Trump. and back him because it was for their bottom line, I'm wondering whether the business community, whether these richest Americans, whether the or of commerce. Whether others are. to step up and

We condemn this fascism condemned fascist violence. actually hold accountable. Those who try to subvert american democracy spreading lies that every business leader knows was a lie and knows in Spain, these rights and if your Josh Holly still. Spread. These lies after a cab he'll, police officer and others were killed You would very much have certainly not what the walk big business in Germany in the thirties thought was. It control hit LAB Eddie, wouldn't get out of hand that Hitler in office Would be less reckless than hit on the streets and Cosette sounds familiar if you remember that he has had to adulthood, actions we had about from party on, but the differences they wanted, Let your crushed the Bolsheviks, the communists,

back in business, didn't really have that excuse and twenty sixteen twenty six, seventeen they wanted. The tax cuts and the construction of the admin should have set state the deed regulations. They got that trunk was still tramp and all this stuff way thing today is a very predictable combination of what Trump has always been with saying I think you know from some businesses like Mary hotels to say that we're not gonna find those hundred and forty seven Republicans, who, after all, these horrific scenes. this name mess of some. Far less? Might last Wednesday after that, still went ahead and voted for. But a hugely propagandist, propagandistic piece of attempt to overthrow this election so the Conway I see, is one of the people who had said the fact drowning

very clear, what's happened. All of that is accepted in any democracy she d, on this occasion have alternative facts, she's just accepted reality, I think we welcome that, but we should wonder why there's been alternative fax for all the things on the ladder leading up to this point, it's only now that the propaganda is seen as as for what it is. You know I again. I've said this is about this site, I'm all from Beth, deathbed conversions There are, though, those people still in the House of Representatives Randal who even after the riots we're still spewing, these lies, and we we have political question. May I I'm a conservative who

been focused on the dangers of Donald Trump, the dangers of a fascist present. I guarantee you, I could get a democratic come on and we wouldn't be, each other over legal questions because people of good faith can have debates on a war on peace, on tax cuts, tax increases on the regulatory stayed on on on a thousand Different things bite. As you said, quoting Senator Moynihan P, all are not entitled People are entitled to their own opinions, but not entitled to their own facts. What makes us so damning as they know they are poor by gaining a lie.

Do they know that because they now many of them, lawyers that in the United States of America we are a nation of laws and the court has struck down every one of these claims Every single court has struck every one of these preposterous claims and there's no one tromp appointed judge theirs. one proper point: justice on the Supreme Court, that is, support, the lie. But there were somehow. Why spread fraud action day, and yet these members of Congress cynically inspire this insurrection with their vote And Josh Holly he just can't stop himself What's going on you the reason all these losses were thrown as because, while Rudy, Giuliani, untroubled legal team lie in public wholesale when they got a core

because they are theirs contempt. They can be, despite all of a sudden, they don't put those arguments and illegal violence because Nothing there answered what we need is a red that, where we need this You know some kind of standard. If we're gonna be afforded the country some kind of actual stand. There needs to be some kind of accountability that you can to the public, just they don't lie to the core and what's going on and end the real? The real issue going forward, because up trouble only be rather than for another. Now, which days is that while Donald Trump Fourth, we cannot do this. forty years, Donald Trump. Why here, we are literally reflects a liar, but The people on there on that always wired The people under him, people in Congress. They know that

and yet in repeating the lion someways. That's where the real dangers, because these are people know better Donald Trump, that he's been that success and you know it Barton like ability can the stout bs in truly believe it an assault, but it's when they system embraces that idea, even though they know better. That's when we have a real is our problem. Randal. Laying. Thank you very, very much at loose. Thank you as well for being on this morning, and still I had a morning Joe, be joined by democratic congressmen and former army Ranger, Dick Jason Crow, who compare at last week's capital riots to being enough The San again here Jim morning Joe I'll, be right back President tribe is a failed leader, He will go down in history as the worst president ever the good thing is they D soon will be as irrelevant as an old tweet. but what are we to make of those elected officials who have

able jeez lies and his treachery, I would remind them of what Teddy Roosevelt said Patriotism means to stand by the country. He does mean to stand by the president. My John F Kennedy wrote a book called profiles, encourage a number of members of my own party because of their own spineless, this would never see the names in such a book. I guarantee you take imprisoned with those who carried the flag of self righteous insurrection. but it did not work our democracy held from We didn't hours, the Senate and the House of Representatives within the EU business and certifying the election President Elect fighting. What a great democracy. Those who think that and overturn the United States constitution know this

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